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>>2793650 Reminder that a draft is the accelerationist path.
The modern military is not built for it so it will collapse. Modern military is built around training up technical expertise, not pumping out grunts. Draftees would take too long to train and be completely useless in the field.
Domestically it will lead to revolution, people are already mad about the Iran War, if their children get sent there they'll get bloodthirsty.
As a communist you can take advantage of all the angry young men who suddenly have access to firearms and are mad at the government.
>>2795932>is built around training up technical expertise, not pumping out gruntsit's also built around volunteers who are either proudly loyal or at least selfishly indifferent to US imperialism. whereas if you start drafting anti war people you're going to get sabotage and fragging.
>>2795933>Charles was tried, convicted, and executed for high treason in January 1649. The monarchy was abolished and the Commonwealth of England was established as a republic.>The monarchy was restored in 1660, with Charles's son Charles II as king.What went wrong?
>>2795941Englandl's bourgeois revolution was the prototype, rather than the genuine article. The genuine article was France, 1789, but really the truest and most beautiful bourgeois revolution was the ignored and slandered Haitian revolution.
>>2795949>Englandl's bourgeois revolution was the prototype, rather than the genuine article. How so
>The genuine article was France, 1789The only difference was that the aristocracy was so intransigent in France that the bourgeoisie had to collaborate with the working classes temporarily
>most beautiful bourgeois revolution was the ignored and slandered Haitian revolution.The Haitian revolution instituted a feudal economy until the Napoleonic attempted conquest.
>>2795970Two Terms
Two Scoops
Two Kings
Heckin Deal With It Libtards 😎
>>2796006ICE is getting bullied because of this, so that is something
>>2796006Still ridiculous a third of population thinks he is doing a good job. Like even if you are ideologically on the same page as Trump, you cant get around the fact Führer is a fuck-up.
Trump should just announce martial law and end "democracy", it would bring about the collapse of america
>>2796014I bet it's mostly 18-22 year old men (Not Zillennials) and boomers
>>2796017It’s mostly gen xers and boomers
>>2796019Have you talked to teachers or gone on r/teachers? The male students are chudmaxxing
>>2796030>r/teachersthey think any zoomer lingo is alt-right though
>>2796030Why should I or anyone care about anything that happens on one of the most astroturfed and botted social media platforms where ghislaine maxwell was known to be a moderator for?
>>2796017>I betSo you don't actually know and are using reddit posts as a barometer.
>>2796017>(Not Zillennials)Why did you have to call me out like that
I feel like the iran war is gonna end really soon and a democrat is gonna be elected and the US will continue to exist for the next 100 years
>>2795941Cromwell lost his spaghetti also religous bulshit
>>2796056Those gas prices aren’t going down, and Democrats suck too much to turn things around
>>2796034https://old.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/1sy2ej3/rich_zoomer_report/r/trueanon corroborated with them on this one. It is even worse than I could even imagine and 13-22 year old men have in poll after poll still proven to be heavily chuddish
>>2796052I think that some parts are astroturfed more than others honestly. I know plenty of normies who use reddit, it is as real as it is fake and there is simply no reason for mainline posters of r/teachers to fake the consistent and constant jackassery of zoomer teenagers.
>>2796055That demographic is simply the most woke weirdly enough. Even more so than many millennials, very odd the huge gulf of difference just 5 years makes
>>2796081Subreddits aren’t a good meter for a specific population of people
>>2796081>there is simply no reason karma farming,and getting responses that are positive instead of getting lynched
>>2796094It isn't front page so why get such low karma when you can get larger amounts of it shilling israeli propaganda
>>2796088R/trueanon is.
>>2796097Especially not r/trueanon
>>2796081>13-22 year old men have in poll after poll still proven to be heavily chuddishLifefuel for young zoomers. We're gonna have no competition for gen alpha girls as they hit the dating market.
>>2796081>I have a friend who teaches at one of the most expensive private high-schools in Toronto. This is what they've told me about the students there, many of whom will go on to become leaders in business and politics, like their parents.They rely on AI for absolutely everything and have no capacity for critical or even basic thinking. They'll even use AI when asked for their opinion on things, like pieces of music. They've gone beyond hyper-individualism to non-dividualism, or something. The teachers have almost completely given up on trying to curtail the use of AI.
And that's a good thing
>>2796135There's going to come a time where all the unemployed educated zillenials and younger millennials will be the only people with any knowledge, technical or otherwise.
>>2796097Just because it's the subreddit of your favorite podcaster doesn't make it accurate.
>They rely on AI for absolutely everything and have no capacity for critical or even basic thinking. They'll even use AI when asked for their opinion on things, like pieces of music. They've gone beyond hyper-individualism to non-dividualism, or something. The teachers have almost completely given up on trying to curtail the use of
But why tho?
honkoid status?
>>2796156>boys who date are more misogynisticReally makes you think…
>>2796014>>2796017It's evangelical white Christians. They support the Republican party no matter what. Has been true for decades, long before Trump.
>>2796081>there is simply no reasonThere are lots reasons, ragebaiting being a major one. No one is going to engage a with post that states "I love teaching, my students are great and smart." There is mountains of research and evidence now that show trolls, ragebait, and negative posts get consistently more engagement which is what reddit and social media sites depend on. There are communities that revolve around shitposting on reddit and posting screenshots of all the idiots responding to them to laugh at them. The internet is not real life.
>>2796184anecdotally gen alpha is much worse off than those posts suggest tbh. my friend is a teacher and he used to enjoy it until AI ruined kids' ability to think. students are just zombies now.
i never really liked school due to how it just gets used by the bourgeois to indoctrinate kids into wageslavery, but the collapse of critical thinking skills is really sad.
>>2796185No more generalization of an entire generation because of your personal experiences please.
>Pentagon mulls plan to outsource warship design, building to South Korea, Japan-SCMP
>>2796187What stage of the empire is it when you can't even domestically build ships during peacetime
>>2796190We're not at peacetime
>>2795970have the 'no kings rally' main leaders condemned the king charles speaking in the congress where most liberals attended?
>>2795952>The Haitian revolution instituted a feudal economyHaitian revolution didn't start the institution of chattel slavery
>>2796185There is no doubt that children and people overall are increasingly outsourcing their thinking and using technology as a crutch, but I've met plenty of retarded boomers and they didn't have computers or AI in school. A goal of the capitalist system is to deskill workers of their knowledge so skill can be transferred to a machine. Overall it makes the workers more replaceable and drives wages down, but this is a systemic process and not the fault of younger generations, they are not the ones deploying these tools to strip them of thinking and skills, they are just the latest victims of them. I mean shit, I was taught to use calculators and spell check in school.
We've all seen the calls. I mean, they're all over social media. May 1st, May Day, the actual fucking Labor Day. And there's a bunch of solid YouTube videos out there explaining that the reason America, the people who fucking got us Labor Day, got us May Day—the reason it exists is because people fought and died for the eight-hour workday. Okay? People went on strike. Workers got bombed at the Battle of Blair Mountain. I'm not gonna sit here and rehash why May Day matters or why strikes work. What I'm gonna talk about is this: we've seen these viral calls for a general strike over and over. How many times now? How many times have we seen that same post: shut it all down, don't go to work, one-day general strike? We've seen it more than a few times. And I'll be completely real with you: it hasn't added up to a whole lot.
But that doesn't mean we should stop trying to do this shit, right? People have to get prepped. People have to get prepared. One day is nothing. One day doesn't do a whole lot. And here's the thing to consider: something like 30% of the U.S. is unemployed or underemployed right now. So like, you might not even be working on May 1st. You might already be out of a job, or your only shift that week is on Friday, or what have you. Those are real factors. Still, a one-day strike might hit in some spaces. I've seen, love them or hate them, the PSL activate teachers' unions in the Carolinas. Tumbled through my feed: unionized teachers who are just not going to work. And if they got those unions on board, other people might move too, because that's the thing with this viral general strike: it seems like two groups, then three or four groups all got the same idea. So it's spreading in that decentralized way, a bunch of different groups pushing for the same general strike. I see it from some of my anarchist comrades too. General strike, May 1st, don't go to work, don't buy shit, stay at home, go to the park, kill a 18 pack of brews with the crew. But one day is not enough. You need multiple days. A week. Two weeks. You need to shut down the ports. If no goods are accepted, could you imagine what that would do to their economy, to the whole extractive economy, if the ports were shut down for two, three, four days, a week? Then we could make demands. Then we could actually make demands.
And that brings me to the other thing. What are the demands of this general strike? Abolish ICE? Is that it? No more AI data centers? Universal basic income? Because if we're gonna organize something that shuts down the entire fucking Epstein economy and hurts their wealth, maybe we should have some demands first. Which group is making the demands? Is there a charter I can sign? Shit, is it on Change.org? What are the demands behind the general strike? This is the same problem that the No Kings protests fall into. Like, if we just remove Trump, that doesn't necessarily solve the fact that more and more people are unemployed, more and more people have a terrible standard of living, more and more schools and hospitals are closing. It doesn't change the fact that our entire society is designed around extracting every moment of our life for the profit of an Epstein-level owning class, people with private islands doing horrible shit, crimes against humanity. Our lives are shaped and built to keep feeding them wealth, right? So when we say "we're just gonna stop playing our role for one day," that's not enough. We need serious demands.
So the best way to look at this single-day May Day strike is: hey, if you can do it, do it. Call in. Tell your fucking coworkers to call in. Tell people to call in. Go to the park, skip work, just don't go. Remember senior skip day? Just look at these one day strikes like that. If you build consensus with your people tonot to go to work, then don't fucking go. That's easy for some people. Others it's not yet possible. If we're gonna sustain a general strike, we need pantries and food shares and mutual aid. What about housing? How do you do a general strike in a country with a 'kill line' predicated on paying rent? I'm sure ten people walking out is great, but those ten people have rent, and they're all renting individual places. You need tenant unions. You need massive rent refusal at a scale we simply have not imagined yet. You need mutual aid funds. It has to be sustained. Because if ten million people said, "We're not paying rent until these demands are met," and if one of those demands is guaranteed housing as a human right, so we never pay rent again, why the fuck would we want to keep doing it? We're wising up to what their game is, to what this system is, and we don't want to be exploited anymore. So we set up a controlled rent rate or build some new framework. You see what I'm saying? These demands need to be crafted. They need to be built out.
So yeah, look, I support a single-day general strike, and I think if enough people do it and buy into it, it can send a message. But it has to be real shit. I hate—one of the things I hate most is when you see these general strike posts saying "don't shop at big businesses, only support small businesses." No. Look, if you are a small business owner and an ally to the cause, you need to be shutting your business down on these general strike days. And if you can't do that, then that makes you a class enemy. I don't give a fuck. But if you say, "Hey, we're not opening the bar today, we're not opening the cafe, we're not opening the restaurants because we stand in solidarity," then get that guy a fucking medal or something because that guy will be an exception, not the rule. You're gonna see these class contradictions come to a head. What happens when the guy who runs three restaurants in town has all his workers call out? He might be a member of the DSA or whatever, but he's still in that owner position. And this is how we make our economic power known because at the end of the day, brother, you're just serving Sysco slop at your restaurant, we know you hate it as much as we hate it. We're trying to help you out by shattering monolopy capitalism.
So we need demands. Real, serious demands. These demands need to be better than just reform. Do we want universal basic income, like two thousand dollars a month for everyone, or to get rid of the whole system of landlording where you pay some other guy a monthly fee just to exist on earth and have shelter, then we should probably fucking get those demands in writing and make them worth our while if we're gonna encourage people to actually strike, right? If there's no fucking demands, there's no way to get people encouraged to go do this shit. You know what might encourage people? Not having to pay rent again. Getting a debt jubilee. Having universal healthcare. Building high speed rail. People don't just do things for the sake of doing them. They do this shit because they want power to change their circumstances. So it falls to us, the organic intellectuals and the revolutionaries and the people trying to build this new future out, to craft those demands and figure out a means of presenting them to the masses with legitimacy, with a mandate. What is stopping the DSA, which has a chapter in every major city, from putting out, "Hey, two years from now we're gonna call a constitutional convention and build that list of demands"? What stops that? Our lack of fucking imagination? Our lack of moxie?
So look, May Day, May Day general strike, one day. If you can't fucking do it, don't feel bad about it. That's a failure on us for not building the organization. That's a failure on us for not building the demands that empower the worker and the working class and the masses against the capitalist. It's our fault when these things fail because we have not envisioned something that motivates people to give a damn. Yes, we live in hell, but it's a comfortable, slow-burning hell. And I'm gonna tell you: people do not like to do things just for the sake of doing them. We don't do charity work. We do work to empower people.
Take, for example, why it might be hard to get someone involved in your community food share. We have a small group, and every week we feed people in the park, eighty people, a hundred people, fifty people, however many show up that week, they're getting fed. And there are groups like this in every fucking city in this goddamn country. These groups are the ones who have to build out the infrastructure for a long-term general strike. It's on us. So why might people not want to help? Because they feel like it's just charity. The homeless will always exist, and I'm just going to feed them. It's charity work, doing it for the sake of doing it. But if you hit them and say, "No, because we're bringing all these people to the park, and it's visible and noticeable, and there's a big banner that says Democratic Socialists on the fucking table. And yeah, the police are watching us, and that makes them look bad, because these are people the state should be caring for but isn't. And then you hand a milk crate of twenty meals to a guy, and he goes back to where he's staying and hands those meals out to other people, because you've empowered the community to do mutual aid. And because everyone in the community knows you, you've started networking with different businesses, small businesses, allied businesses—the kind of people who will shut shit down when the general strike happens. The local pizza spot hooks us up with twenty pizzas once a month, for free, to feed the people." Then you can tell people that we're doing this so we can get power within the city, stop bad development, do X, Y, Z, because now we have all these different people who see us, and we're visible, and we're making a statement. It's not just a church group thing, going to feed the people. No, we're different. We're empowering the masses.
If we fail to empower the masses—if we don't go to them with that thought process—how can we even build a list of demands? How can we expect anyone to commit to the bit hard enough to do a general strike when we haven't committed to the bit ourselves, when we're not willing to put it all on the line for what we believe in? If we're not willing to put it all out there for what we stand for, how can you expect anyone else to follow what we're saying? We're not even committed. So as we come into this May Day, this May 1st, this Labor Day, this one-day general strike: if you can do it, please, I applaud you. Do it. But if you cannot, think about why you cannot. And if you can, go get involved, so the next time one of these calls rolls around, maybe you and three or four other people can participate and we can build our numbers up. Look how fast they're getting these AI data centers approved. A data center opening up that uses twice the amount of power as the state of Utah, employs maybe ten people, and takes a whole lot of jobs. Why is that happening so fast? Because the capitalist is way more organized than we are. If you want to win, you have to get fucking organized. And we're not. That's why these single-day, viral, one-day general strikes don't work, why they haven't made a fucking dent in making our world better.
We gotta step up. Every time you look at this fucking world and see how bad it is, don't get doomer. Don't let it break you. Let it build you up. It's the only way we're gonna win.
>>2796129>For one, a recent analysis conducted by a think tank based in Brussels, calculated that the toll that Iran is demanding of roughly $1 per barrel of oil passing through would only end up raising global oil prices by about 5 to 40 cents a barrel, which might seem like a bargain compared to the extra $40 per barrel that the prices increased to with the strait completely closed altogether. The think tank's calculations also suggested that the Arab Gulf exporters themselves like Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, and the UAE would end up paying more than 80% of the total cost of Iran's toll, while the rest of the world would only be minimally affected. This would likely end up collectively costing the Arab Gulf state somewhere between six and 14 billion dollars a year to pay that they weren't paying at all prior to this war. Which obviously really sucks for them, but it's also arguably more palatable at this point than seeing the strait continuing to be closed altogether, which in only a little over one month already cost them more than $50 billion in lost exports and output. Iran would stand to earn billions of dollars a year if they were successful in implementing this toll booth idea on the strait of Hormuz. money that could function as a source of reparations payments that could help to rebuild the country's shattered infrastructure after the end of the war….So this whole thing is being kept going on spite alone. It's a game of chicken between two cars and both drivers threw their steering wheel out the window to show they mean business
>>2796220You should have actually shot Caitlin Bennett
>>2796159These kids are fucked man this thing can't even do the abcs
>>2796224YT slop and even chatgpt output is better than what 80% of people on here have to say which is usually just ragebait or schizophrenia
>>2796231everyone in that picture is a sick WASP
>>2796238That’s an insult to wasps
>>2796236WHAT are you TALKIGN ABOUT?!?!?!? M<Y posts are the FIENST DSFVELOP MENNBT IN THEORY since ARTSTOTE
>>2796220I'll go outside my basement and finally look at what the party i was apart of is doing on labor day, lets see if anything happens
>>2796220Also handing out food in the park is a massive waste of time, you should be using your military training to create an army which is capable of actually, physically waging war on the state.
>>2796239They're very interesting animals.
>>2796244you need to feed your soldiers
>>2796247Houdini is a trained soldier, not a cook. His skills are wasted handing out sandwiches in the park. He just refuses to use his military training to fuel proletarian resistance because fundamentally he doesn't want any real change, which is why he DIDN'T shoot Caitlin Bennett and then talked to cops about it.
>>2796159I love how it just gave up after the D.
>>2796251You do it then if it's so damn important
>>2796251>Houdini is a trained soldier, not a cook.pretty sure he was just a fational tard sorry national guard which is like a really really low bar rather than the navy seals copypasta you're pretending it is
> He just refuses to use his military training to fuel proletarian resistance because fundamentally he doesn't want any real change, which is why he DIDN'T shoot Caitlin Bennett and then talked to cops about it.factory status?
>>2796187Please post a link, this is past comical and well into pathetic
>>2796255I am not a trained soldier. I own guns and can shoot them fairly accurately but there is a large gap between that and actually being trained how to inflict violence against an enemy. Houdini has that training.
>>2796256National guard is the same basic training as the regular army, meaning Houdini passed the exact same course an army infantryman would pass.
hmmm i always thought that even larp militias had more training than natguards
>>2796261Yeah, that's wrong.
Basic training is identical for the guards because they are specifically designed to be able to fill in the gaps in the army at a moments notice rather than requiring extensive retraining. The guards don't have as much experience as regular soldiers, but the training is totally uniform among the entire military.
>>2796267ahahahaha oh wow
>>2796260>>2796263the thing is that the average army infantryman is trained to be an instrument of violence, not an independent planner and facilitator of same. in the same way that the average factory worker is trained to behave as a machine overseen by their manager. they exist solely to have an officer point at who to murder.
>>2796275The only difference between soldiers and officers is that officers are educated in theory rather then just practice. Once again, the basic training is all the same. A soldier can acquire a theoretical education and become an effective officer on their own. The manuals necessary to do so are literally open source in fact. You can study things like small unit tactics, fire team control and basic field communications. It is far more valuable to read these books instead of Marx and Engels, to be honest. We have far more need for officers than we do for economists.
>>2796211No one in the education system is actually encouraging AI use afaik. It's just students trying to cheat. Back in my day that meant looking in the back of the math textbook for the answers, but the fact AI is applicable to every single subject is either gonna make schools transition to more hands-on learning that you can't cheat, or just give up and accept that it's a glorified daycare. Of course with Capitalism and the US education system being the way they are, we know which option will win out.
>>2796244The flaw I've observed with leftism-as-charity is they never actually make any attempt to recruit people or mobilize them towards anything good. It's like they're taking the religion approach of "doing good for goodness' sake" and not actually trying to achieve anything.
I'm so tired of leftists going out of their way to clean up Capitalism's messes. It's a huge drain on our already limited resources and gives us no material benefit. It's also very much a "teach a man to fish" situation where these people become dependent towards the charity system because they aren't building anything with their own two hands.
You could at least recruit the homeless to do something useful for the movement in exchange for food. Homeless people are usually bored as fuck and desperate for something that makes them feel useful to society, and this also helps you filter out the ones that have no revolutionary potential or just wanna trade it for drugs.
>>2796276>The only difference between soldiers and officers is that officers are educated in theory rather then just practice.that's too neat. freshly commissioned and non commissioned officers are instruments as well, only one step up the hierarchy of instrumentation along with a step up in pay grade. the more qualified one becomes to plan prepare and order violent action, the less material incentive one has to turn said qualification against the military apparatus from which one emerged.
>the basic training is all the same.yeah, and what i'm saying is that basic military training doesn't equip one for the specialized tasks of organization, logistics, management, etc. let alone the prospect of doing any of these things absent the ordering discipline of the industrialized special armed body basic training trains one to depend upon. that's why specialist military training exists.
>A soldier can acquire a theoretical education and become an effective officer on their own. The manuals necessary to do so are literally open source in fact. anyone can do this. comparable weapons training to what you'd get in basic training is also open source. regardless, i do not believe that a successful social revolution will be waged against bourgeois society by roving bands of auto-didact street guerrillas, least of all by those who announce their intentions in public forums.
>>2796280>You could at least recruit the homeless to do something useful for the movement in exchange for food.the issue with this line of thought is that no one ever really has a good idea of what would constitute "something useful", and even if they did, it immediately begs the question of why they're not just doing that "something useful" themselves instead of trying to do revolution-by-day-labor.
>>2796287>and even if they did, it immediately begs the question of why they're not just doing that "something useful" themselves instead of trying to do revolution-by-day-labor.imagine if contemporary Marxists told Lenin or Mao to just "do revolution yourself" lmao
>>2796292that's not my point. if you have a legitimate reason to be marshalling a bunch of people, then go for it. my problem is that even if you could muster those means, no one ever answers towards what end they would even be applied. what could 10 homeless people and the 10 college students feeding them in a public park do that the 10 college students weren't perfectly capable of doing with equal effect by themselves? if you have a good answer to that, great. i don't, and i haven't heard one yet.
>>2796284The manuals are available but the actual training that you receive at military boot camp is incredibly difficult to replicate unless you have an actual military structure.
>>2796292back in Lenin or Mao's time, Lenin and Mao were actually talking to large gatherings of armed workers and peasants in real life, not yelling at them on an anonymous internet forum where everyone assumes everyone else is a fed, so maybe the analogy here is conflating two very different material circumstances, so different in fact I have only scratched the surface in how different they are.
>>2796298right, i agree. the thing that makes the average infantryman useful as a mindless instrument of wanton violence is the actual military structure that gives them boot laces and ammunition and pay. it is only the exceptional infantryman that could carry on as a professionally effective weapon without that structure.
>>2796297>what could 10 homeless people and the 10 college students feeding them in a public park do that the 10 college students weren't perfectly capable of doing with equal effect by themselves?this is such a stupid question I'm not even sure how to begin answering it but generally speaking more manpower is better than less manpower. on top of that homeless people are not useless dregs, many of them DO have skills that can be leveraged towards revolution. this idea that the homeless or downtrodden only exist for receiving charity and cannot be mobilized is fucking retarded.
to be a bit more specific though, the American left is full of "educated professionals" and very little actual laborers that can be used to build a proper community. we need more of these people that have experience in agriculture or trades or the military or even working in service/retail that can be mobilized to develop actual "mutual aid" networks that aren't just a soup kitchen with a library. give these people the opportunity to be useful and make them feel like valuable members of your movement instead of just giving them charity. the left has rejected charity since the fucking inception of organized labor for the very reason that it breeds complacency, dependence, and social hierarchies; the fact american leftists STILL insist on doing it anyway is just laughably stupid.
if you want a very specific example, every major American city has a ton of homeless veterans, why aren't we appealing to their needs and building loyalty so we can have an armed and trained vanguard that are out in the streets at all times to protect people from the pigs during protests? just treat people like human beings, give them a productive job to do, and pay them for their labor instead of charity. it's a lot more productive for organizing labor if everyone feels like they're contributing to a movement.
>>2796300>back in Lenin or Mao's time, Lenin and Mao were actually talking to large gatherings of armed workers and peasants in real lifeMao spent years talking to tiny crowds(like 4-10 people) of illiterate peasants that lived on less than a dollar a day and mobilized them into a loyal military force and mutual aid network that conquered China. Meanwhile American leftists can't even mobilize literal college graduates and trained professionals to do anything except suck up resources. there's really no excuse for relying on charity as your means of left-wing outreach.
>>2796305It's more than that, it's the strict discipline and the large scale drills that are virtually impossible to replicate for a "civilian" organization. Things like the mechanics of working as a group while moving, shooting and communicating. Commercial tactical drills exist but army infantry practices constantly. They are vastly more experienced than even the most serious "competitive shooter"
>>2796306>to be a bit more specific though, the American left is full of "educated professionals" and very little actual laborers that can be used to build a proper community.>we need more of these people that have experience in agriculture or trades or the military or even working in service/retail that can be mobilized to develop actual "mutual aid" networks that aren't just a soup kitchen with a library.what exactly is it that keeps these people with such experience from being useful to presently existing communities? it is their exclusion from means of production. land, tools, machinery, money. the reason that "mutual aid" bottoms out in charity is that the people most interested in abolishing private ownership of means of production, i.e. your "educated professionals, themselves own no land to farm. at best, they can buy the ingredients to put in a pot. maybe they should put their money together to buy a farm, or a series of failing used car dealerships.
>why aren't we appealing to their needs and building loyalty so we can have an armed and trained vanguard that are out in the streets at all times to protect people from the pigs during protests?the only people with the actual means of meeting their needs are the owners of productive capital. even giving them weapons to do this would be a substantial monetary investment. that's before you even consider the aforementioned question of why the "educated professionals" presumably buying the arms don't just arm themselves (or better, spend the money on a tract of arable land or a failing used car dealership).
>>2796314Mutual aid, well real mutual aid, is closer to what people dismiss as "lifestylism." It's not just handing out goods that's how most people treat it, like a charity drive that isnt sourced from corporations. Real mutual aid is living it every day the shared labor, the comradery, the waking up next to the same people you struggle with. Apparently, when a group or community actually reaches that level of daily, embodied mutual aid, people like to call it a cult or a LARP. Make it make sense.
>>2796316even mutual aid is neoliberal now most people live their highly individualized neo liberal lifestyles then hand some food out, repeat.
>>2796314your logic just sounds like defeatism tbh. if the black panthers were able to mobilize the poor and homeless into a successful people's militia what's stopping you from doing the same?
>what exactly is it that keeps these people with such experience from being useful to presently existing communities?the fact they are unhoused? it's pretty hard to keep a job if you don't have a phone number or a mailing address and it's even harder if you have substance abuse problems as most homeless people do.
>the only people with the actual means of meeting their needs are the owners of productive capital.yeah obviously the bourgeois have an easier time exploiting the labor of others but the bourgeois already discarded these people. they don't have the option of working at walmart or mcdonalds, the only work they can find is unpaid "charity" work or illicit labor like working for gangs. this isn't just true for the homeless but also for people with any kind of mental or physical disabilities, many of them want to be useful but capitalism doesn't want to accommodate their needs so they're just stuck collecting disability.
to be honest I don't think working "within the system" is ever going to succeed, you need to be willing to mobilize these people for illegal tactics that can build you a large amount of resources quickly. hell literally just hire the homeless to work in a scam call center to steal money from boomers. it's more productive than just giving them charity. or organize them into shoplifting rings and use it to accumulate resources while simultaneously building networks of comrades within the prison system that can protect eachother and create mass support among those who have already fallen through the cracks of society. or utilize them for vigilantism to harass/assassinate porkies and force them to move out of the cities so their property can be reclaimed by local residents.
the fact leftists have all these options for organizing lumpens and proles and just resort to handing out sandwiches and booklets is just really a huge missed opportunity. or maybe it's intentional that organizing has been replaced by charity, just like CPUSA preaching suicidal-nonviolence while they tail the Democrats. the left has been hijacked by petit-bourgeois college students and the PMC's that just want to treat it as a hobby.
>>2796316This is also the exact thing you learn in military basic training too. How to actually work as a team under periods of severe stress with people you might not even like. You work together, suffer together and live together. It forms an incredibly strong bond among soldiers that is absolutely necessary for effective operations.
that is the sort of thing that cannot be easily replicated without an actual military apparatus. That apparatus can only be replicated by soldiers with military training and experience, specifically those with experience in training other soldiers. Not just officers but NCOs are absolutely vital.
>>2796319>if the black panthers were able to mobilize the poor and homeless into a successful people's militia what's stopping you from doing the same?the globe spanning military-security apparatus that partially emerged in direct response to groups like the black panthers arming themselves to confront police and demonstrate on public property in force? the same one that neutralized and dismantled their organization in fact? does one have to be defeatist to question the prospect of emulating a defeated movement without interrogating why that movement was defeated in the first place?
>>2796330>the globe spanning military-security apparatus that partially emerged in direct response to groups like the black panthers arming themselves to confront police and demonstrate on public property in force? the same one that neutralized and dismantled their organization in fact? does one have to be defeatist to question the prospect of emulating a defeated movement without interrogating why that movement was defeated in the first place?so, what, we just give up on ever defeating the state because the state might fight back? do you just want to operate in the shadow of capital as some nonthreatening charity group forever? what exactly is the endgame of "organizing" if you have no intention of actually winning?
>>2796331>so, what, we just give up on ever defeating the state because the state might fight back?no, it's not a question of whether the state "might" fight back, it's that the contemporary police state was engineered in such a way as to render the specific model of resistance you are appealing to obsolete.
>do you just want to operate in the shadow of capital as some nonthreatening charity group forever?nothing i said even implied that. i am also critical of activist charity.
>what exactly is the endgame of "organizing" if you have no intention of actually winning?that's my question for you. what is the point of organizing on the model of an organization that failed and was violently dismantled by forces which have only metastisized since? what have you learned from the failure of the black panthers that you would apply this time to avoid sharing their fate?
>>2796331The "endgame" is being organized until the material conditions become favorable, then you can actually act, as long as the government is functional, there is nothing to be done at all that could be decisive
>>2796335>the contemporary police state was engineered in such a way as to render the specific model of resistance you are appealing to obsolete.you're giving the state way too much credit. 40% of cops are obese. most of the data collected by the "police state" is completely useless and just used to pad their stats to justify increasing the NSA budget. we've had more presidential assassination attempts in the past 5 years than the previous 30 years and we're supposed to pretend all this data collection is preventing anything? I would argue with how widespread information is and how easy it is to disrupt supply chains that the state is more vulnerable to subversion now than its ever been in history. the security theater of the surveillance state serves a dual purpose: making the public feel like the government is what keeps them "safe" but also making potential dissidents feel like they're always being watched to dissuade anyone from trying anything. somehow with all the "surveillance" in the world 9 times out of 10 when a mass shooting or terrorist attack happens the FBI is only there to say the subject was "known to them" and yet they did nothing to prevent it. it's almost like mass surveillance just creates an endless sea of information that is impossible to sort through or filter for anything actionable and you can only use it with hindsight, and even then it's often useless because there's too many blindspots if someone isn't a social media addict or has reasonably good opsec.
>that's my question for you. what is the point of organizing on the model of an organization that failed and was violently dismantled by forces which have only metastisized since?I mean, just because the USSR fell doesn't mean you can't learn from it. Every failure is a learning opportunity unless you're dead.
The black panthers got dismantled because of preexisting infighting and betrayal. of course this was amplified by the FBI actively trying to blackmail or bribe members into betraying the movement and infiltrating it with glowies but if you have discipline and good opsec you can minimize these risks of your org destroyed from the inside. what you don't want is an org full of members who all have their own goals and will betray you as soon as you ask them to do something they don't like. you need a singular goal and a unified organizational structure where everyone has personal loyalty to the movement.
>>2796339>The "endgame" is being organized until the material conditions become favorable, then you can actually act, as long as the government is functional, there is nothing to be done at all that could be decisiveThis is backwards, you're supposed to be the ones actively working to weaken the government's grip and creating favorable conditions for revolution with your activities. If you're not doing that, you're gonna be waiting a long fucking time for Lenin to come down from the heavens and smite the government. You should be actively agitating with your comrades to push the government's influence out of your communities, whether through physical means with things like community policing and fighting gentrification, or through mutual aid networks that make people less reliant on wageslavery to pay their bills. If you actually want a revolution in your lifetime you have to be willing to create the conditions for it, otherwise Capitalism will keep chugging along for another 200+ years, and when it finally croaks it'll be the fascists that already have armed militias ready to enslave the entire population of the US while Communists just have food banks.
>>2796347Cpusa supported gun control against black panther. Cpusa social fascist kill black panther party. Cpusa and rest of zioamerikan racist left support police
https://www.marxists.org/archive/winston/1971/08/crisis-black-panther-party.htm#future-determines-its-own-tacticsCpusa kill rosa. Cpusa kill black panther
>>2796527seems to be a basic criticism of Elridge Cleaver's leadership. Did you expect we should read a certain part of this or the whole thing?
I do not know what CPUSA's criticisms of Cleaver are, but in
Soul on Ice Cleaver himself admits to having been a serial rapist. I wouldn't be surprise if the feds had a hand in his rise to the top of the party just like they had their hand in the death of Fred Hampton, who is not mentioned in your link at all.
>>2796576That not criticism. Cpusa does not formulate criticisms. Cpusa only knows libel. Read as much of their lies as you can stomach but know everything cpusa says is wrong. Cpusa took upon themselves to sabotage black panther socialist construction of ghetto people's shoe factories by calling them "black capitalism." Cpusa support police. Cpusa support reagan gun control.
>>2796638> Read as much of their lies as you can stomach but know everything cpusa says is wrong.i wasn't gonna read
anything they had to say but then
you started posting articles by them
quit being weird
>>2796316/leftypol/ has a large contingent of armchair bordigists who see anyone doing anything ever as a direct affront to them (unless its hitler)
>>2796578Terrible I know, I can't share a bed with anyone, I'll sleep like shit.
>>2796664no shit they don't have sex
>>2796638>Cpusa took upon themselves to sabotage black panther socialist construction of ghetto people's shoe factories by calling them "black capitalism."Based
Total entrepeneur death.
>>2796664Seems remarkably consistent across all age groups.
>>2796693not a general strike if lawyers are still going to work
>>2796693We’ve through this song and dance at least now. Stow it.
I assumed like everyone else that the Chinese Yuan would replace the Dollar in financial markets but what seems to be happening instead is the Yuan replacing the Japanese Yen. In 2021, out of all three, Japan could borrow/issue debt the cheapest, now its the most expensive with Chinese debt replacing it in cheapness
Donations much appreciated. Here's the rub: I am currently paying $360 a week in room rent but I can get this to be $165 a week for room rent, but only if I re-home my dog, as this is the cheapest place that will allow me to have my dog. Until I can re-home him, I'm kind of stuck. And I'm going to be completely honest, I haven't been able to bring myself to surrendering him to the pound. This county has a euthanasia rate 4x higher than the next county. It seems so unfair to him, and I've had him for quite a while now, we've been through a lot together. Before my arrest, I had a job, and was willing to keep paying extra weekly to keep him, atleast until I could save up and find something that wasn't weekly. If I hadn't lost my job due to the arrest, I wouldn't be in this position. I don't know, I feel like having to surrender my dog Jax would basically break me completely. I try to pride myself in being someone who can make logical, tactical decisions while being stoic, without the emotional response. But I seriously worry about my mental health in this regard.
Let's keep it a buck: Kaitlyn Bennett is absolutely targeting me due to my activism both online and off. Everyone here knows that the three paragraphs I wrote about her and her character is not a threat. She says she couldn't do her on the street interviews because of what I said but she never stopped making Youtube content. She's getting paid 10s of thousands of dollars to do this. Everyone knows that I am not a criminal. And yet, here I am being forced to part ways with my best friend due to this political targeting. If you can donate, or share, please do. Sharing helps so much. Make a reddit post, post about this is another discord, share it on your IG story. Something, anything.
https://www.paypal.com/pool/9mexMFdPBo?sr=ancrhttps://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/534115102I think this thread just proves how nakedly cynical and evil /pol/tards are.
>>2796765libCHADS rizing… robespierre would be proud
>>2796773Well they could be if he actually did something
>>2796756Ever day, Erika Kirk is INSULTED. Abused. THREATENED. I think it's time she seeks revenge.
When a black person is killed or stabbed its in a tiny paper and not reported anywhere nationally. People forget it immediately and move on attributing nothing special to it.
When a Jewish person is hurt in a crime it's an international incident, Palestine activist are attacked non stop, politicians speak out, organizations put out statements and demands for new laws are made even if it is a singular person. Literally any crime done that a Jewish person is involved. It's like it's impossible for a Jewish person to experience crime while every other group can
>>2796755I ain’t clicking that shit man
>>2796821She is very scary.
ziohran mossadani met with king charles 3
>>2796821Well, now I definitely believe she murdered him on behalf of elite pedophiles and Jean-Michel Trogneux using a squad stationed out of Fort Huachuca.
>>2796765Oh god he's a KHiver isn't he?
This is so sad, we needed a hero, not a twat.
>>2796316>community the neoliberal NPC's favorite word to pretend like they are still human and not "rational economic agents who make their preferred individual consumer choices".
>embodied "we are bodies in marketplaces…nooo you can't dehumanize us as 'mere atomized NPCs', I'm a revolutionary anarchist who SMASHES THE STALINIST STATE in Iran and Ukraine and Syria and Libya, actually our whites-only gated Zionist community is woke and LGBT friendly"
>>2796887I'm so tired of you self-loathing useless retards
>>2796887if two words triggered this anon into constructing a strawman and setting it on fire. this is so spectacular and entertaining that i am not going to even read the post he is responding to.
>>2796887Argued Against Shit Nobody Said Award
>current SCOTUS ruling
The south is going to become an even bigger shithole than it already is
>>2796902Uh oh retard fatigue
>>2796911Good, they deserve it
>>2796916leftypol condemns hasan piker
>Leaked audios reveal Israeli-backed effort behind President Trump’s pardon of Honduran ex-president
>Leaked WhatsApp, Signal, and Telegram recordings published by Spain’s Canal RED and Hondurasgate indicate that an Israeli-backed lobbying effort—reportedly involving Trump ally Roger Stone and supported by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu—helped secure President Trump’s pardon of former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández, who had been sentenced in the U.S. to 45 years for drug trafficking.
>According to the recordings, the arrangement involved trading the pardon for a package of concessions in Honduras. The audios reference plans for a new military base and expanded access for foreign partners, alongside the expansion of semi-autonomous ZEDE zones and major AI and infrastructure contracts tied to U.S.-linked companies. The recordings do not clearly delineate which concessions are assigned to which actor, but frame them as part of a joint U.S.- and Israel-aligned agenda in the country.
>In one audio, Hernández says: “The prime minister of Israel…had everything to do with my release and negotiation.” In another, he claims the money tied to his release came from “a group of rabbis and people who supported Israel.”
>The recordings, dated Jan–Apr 2026, also show Hernández coordinating with newly elected President Nasry Asfura on a plan to remove legal obstacles and clear the way for Hernández’s return to power.
>Hernández has publicly dismissed the recordings as fabricated, calling them part of a “campaign of disinformation” by “the radical left,” and insisting the voice in the audios is not his. Drop Site News has not independently verified the authenticity of the audio recordings.
>>2796765Makes sense, you gotta be completely mentally deranged to do as Cole Allen did. Like, by his smug redditor manifesto, he really thought he was the main character of the shared fiction, the culture war, he'd substituted for reality. When you think about it like a person who lives up there, in the dogshit discourse of culture warriors, it makes sense.Put on the shoes of an uncritical NPC with no filter:
Unable to exercise any control over his own perception of reality, he wields the tools given to him by media, the arguments of the culture war to navigate the cultural and political. But he's also a narcissist (because that's what social media trains you to be), so he triangulates to an enlightened centrist. Yet, the culture war, the outrage finds no resistance into his rotted headsponge, still.
He's found the perfect virtuous place to be. But he's still seething. He can move no further without losing virtue or challenging his own beliefs. And he's still angry. The more he exercises the patters he's learned to navigate politics and the culture war, the worse he feels. The "enlightened center" is no longer a place of virtue, hes trapped, stuck there. There is no more smug satisfaction to derive from "nuance".
That's where these schizos spawn from. They come from a mental place where they never have to think about these things… then they are forced to by the pain. They'd do anything to escape this process, without tearing apart the rickety scaffold of bullshit they have built their identity on top of. They just need to be pointed and fluffed until they believe it was their own idea. Born again, and ready to die.
>>2796974
Who cares, they did the same thing to Nick Fuentes a few months back. Means absolutely nothing.
>>2796980Congress has so much free time these days. They're enjoying Trump doing their job
>>2796980>the tsarist government has denounced juilus martov, i guess i'm a menshevik nowREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
just kidding >>2796967once we have a 100% goy bourgeoisie can we finally do class struggle?
>>2796980Man Republicans are socialism’s greatest agitators.
>>2796980this country needs a million hasans
>>2796997I get what you're saying but israel is an actual threat to humanity and a pillar of the bourgeois regime. defeating them would be a huge blow to the epstein class.
>>2797009> israel is an actual threat to humanity and a pillar of the bourgeois regime. defeating them would be a huge blow to the epstein class.of course (i am the anon you are speaking to)
>>2796980HELLO.
CAN YOU HEAR ME???
YES, THAT'S RIGHT. YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ISRAEL.
ANTI-AMERICAN??? HOW CAN YOU EVEN SAY THAT??? I JUST WANT THEM TO STOP TAKING ALL OUR MONEY FOR THEIR IMPERIALIST MIDDLE-EASTERN SUPREMACY CAMPAIGN. CALL ME A TREATLERITE OR WHATEVER BUT I'D RATHER HAVE THAT MONEY GO TO EDUCATION, INFRASTRUCTURE, OR EVEN A MOTHERFUCKING UBI OVER HOW IT'S BEING SPENT RIGHT NOW.
*beep beep beep beep beep beep*
He fucking hung up. HE FUCKING HUNG UP ON ME.
>>2797028I'm sure there's some deliberate angle to placing Jews in all the positions of global power so they can hide behind antisemitism any time those Jews do something evil. But eventually people will get sick of it, and the options for the solution are either Holocaust 2 or proper class struggle. Unsurprisingly the bourgeois, goy or jewish alike, would prefer Holocaust 2, so idunno what we can even do to move the conversation towards class struggle. Seems like the global uprising against Zionism is inevitable.
>>2797049You are so close to getting it… and yet so far
>>2797058dont be a faggot just say what you mean so we can call you an idiot you coward.
>>2797049True though I think this is a bit of a stretch though it’s same logic on why they “persecute” Nazis
>>2797058Go back faggot
>>2797069I know you're wrong because you're afraid to speak your mind, probably for fear of getting banned for being a nazi.
>>2797084They don’t ban Nazis specifically for “debates”
>>2797084>You're axiomatically wrong because your fall foul of what the mods deem acceptablewe're reaching new levels of bootlicking
>>2797085>don't ban nazis because "we gotta debate them">ban anyone who criticizes zionism or israel for "reactionary">also ban anyone who just posts "you're jewish" in mocking reply to an obvious zionist shill postlol we have the silliest mods
>>2797092I'm probably the furthest thing from a mod bootlicker, it's in my DNA to troll the mods of every site I've ever been on, as every godfearing imageboard user should. But the fact you're still too afraid to just say what you mean suggests I'm exactly right about you being scared to express your beliefs. coward.
>>2797102You giving snitch vibes. Creep.
Why do poltards still put on airs that they aren't anything but epstein grown goblins?
>>2797118
What mls were banned I guess I was for rapidly posting aka spamming accidentally
>>2796980The mainstream media is completely MIND BROKEN by Hasan piker this is why they’re being obsessed gringos
>>2797028didn't answer the question award
>>2797028i say unequivocally to overthrow the bourgeoisie, jew or otherwise, and simply asked if you agreed with the "otherwise" part. I even offered that we should overthrow the jewish bourgeoisie first, so that all the bourgeoisie left are gentile. here is the simple question you failed to answer:
>once we have a 100% goy bourgeoisie can we finally do class struggle?Will you answer it? no? I wonder why?
>>2797102>also ban anyone who just posts "you're jewish" in mocking reply to an obvious zionist shill postevery anon who has ever posted "you're jewish" as a reply wasn't targeting "zionist shills" but usually the exact opposite: insidious wreckers who don't even read the post they're replying to. I've literally said "death to israel" as my entire post on here before and gotten "nice argument but you're jewish" as a reply. faggot groyper discord teens are literally illiterate
>>2797102>also ban anyone who just posts "you're jewish" in mocking reply to an obvious zionist shill postI've gotten 'you're jewish' as a reply on here for pointing out the havaara agreement and that nazis are massive zionists
>>2797136nta but I think eliminating the jewish bourgeoisie goes hand in hand with elminating the goy bourgeoisie it's not a "this, then that" thing we can do both simultaneously and even play them against eachother for our benefit or radicalize people against one by exploiting their personal grievances if it turns them into a reliable ally that can be mobilized to fight them both. ie, allying with palestinians/arabs/muslims through our mutual hatred of zionism and turning them into allies against the bourgeois as a whole.
>>2797028>once we have a 100% goy bourgeoisie can we finally do class struggle?<UMMM I REFUSE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND SUBSTITUTE A MADE UP EXCHANGEnice creative writing exercise faggot
>>2797144>nta but I think eliminating the jewish bourgeoisie goes hand in hand with elminating the goy bourgeoisie it's not a "this, then that" thing we can do both simultaneously and even play them against eachotherthis is obvious to any actual communist
Cmon goys I want to free Palestine as much as anyone but can we do it in a way that centres Jewish voices and the unique suffering of the holocaust please?
>>2796980If you told me this was the U.S. political reality 4 years ago I would have laughed.
>>2797136Jonathan Greenblatt is more of an enemy to humanity than some gentile business owner.
it's so funny because it's such an easy question to beat
>once we have a 100% goy bourgeoisie can we finally do class struggle?
all you have to do is say "yes" but these fuckers clearly don't believe in class struggle, just idpol
>>2796980>Mike Lawler (R) >Josh Gottheimer (D)finally the hecking polarization is gone, long live bipartisanship!!!!
>>2797174If you're getting squeamish at naming Greenblatt an enemy then just stop the larp.
You're not built for any kind of struggle.
>>2797157I kind of wonder if the conservatism from Japan is mostly just "Leave us the fuck alone and we'll leave you alone" sort of deal nowadays.
>>2797164Go back to /pol/ if you don’t beleive in Marxism
>>2797189So "Belief in Marxism" is just an excuse to do nothing
>>2797188Nah Japan still has a lot of racism and chuddy beliefs. The only difference is Japan isn't run by Zionists so the chuds are full mask off when it comes to their hatred of Jews and the socialists/woke liberal types in Japan have no ADL controlling them so they aren't afraid to call a spade a spade like American liberals. You see this in a few other conservative countries, the lack of a Zionist presence is a huge factor in how their politics develops.
If you want a good comparison look at Korea: the countries developed somewhat similarly through US military occupation, but because Korea was built by Zionists in the 1960's after Israel bought off the American government while Japan was built in the 1950's before Zionist occupation it makes a huge difference in how Koreans feel about Israel. They're basically identical to the West in being split along partisan lines and yet all their politicians from the left and right worship Israel.
My favorite on this chart is Poland though. A country that actually lived through the Holocaust and has a lot of Jews has only 16% favorability for Israel, and the Polish government has said if Netanyahu steps foot in Poland they will arrest him and deliver him to the Hague. Based Poles.
>>2797190No Marxism is class struggle notclass collaboration with p beourg because “it’s da joooz” or something of that matter
>>2797194Good point, Jonathan Greenblatt is a first and foremost a worker, and we should be in solidarity with him against his daily oppression.
>>2797193Yeah now that I think about it, it really is the polish that seems to have really stepped up there in comparison to the rest of the chud countries but I always thought that Japan would be more pro-Israel
>>2797196lmao thats so fucking funny. saved.
>>2797194racial/ethnic occupation can be used to develop class consciousness through identifying and amplifying the inherent injustice of being ruled over by a "master race". it sounds like you haven't actually read anything from Marx and just invoke Marxism to muddy the waters of what counts as "real struggle".
>>2797188>I kind of wonder if the conservatism from Japan is mostly just "Leave us the fuck alone and we'll leave you alone" sort of deal nowadays.Conservatism in Japan is "We did nothing wrong in China or Korea. Long live the Empire."
>>2797201I feel like they left it too late to apologise.
Even if they do it now it will feel fake.
>>2797202Japan will never ever apologize lmao you're being optimistic if you think they're even considering whether it's "too late".
>>2797203I know, and it's a historical mistake on their part not to. But it will also be a mistake to do it at this point, now that China is so much stronger.
>>2797206Japan would rather go extinct than take the hit to their pride by apologizing or admitting wrongdoing. China knows this. By the time China is powerful enough to accept Japan as a vassal state they'll likely have some sort of diplomatic reset just to let Japan save face. I mean, as far as I know the British never "apologized" to America and now they are a vassal to the burgerreich.
>>2797200Those are for oppressed people under imperialism read Lenin it doesn’t justify class collaboration and antisemitism retard
>>2797220So oppressed occupied people shouldn't work with capitalists who share their desire to throw off foreign domination? Or should they not do it if it's possibly antisemitic?
>>2797183once we have a 100% goy bourgeoisie can we finally do class struggle?
Why won't you answer the question?
>>2797184once we have a 100% goy bourgeoisie can we finally do class struggle? why won't you answer the question? why are you so afraid to answer this simple yes/no question. nobody "refused to name the greenblatt"
>>2797184>You're not built for any kind of struggle.once we're done struggling against the jewish bourgeoisie will you help overthrow the goy bourgeoisie? why are you afraid to answer?
>>2797225Proletariat should never work with capitalists because of foreigners Marx denounced ANY class collaborationism
>>2797229>>2797231Go back faggot read Marx and Lenin litteraly fucking cia PSYOP over here
>>2797231
once we have a 100% goy bourgeoisie can we finally do class struggle?
>>2797235he won't answer the question for a reason
He won't submit to arbitrary jewish demands because he's a disgusting vile antisemite. Gentiles having any self respect is the oldest form of hatred.
>>2797245have you considered that you're retarded and are a prime example of why so many trots became neocons
>>2797245No, because that's not true, you stupid fuck, it's just an assumption you've never examined or thought about for two seconds. Dumb cunt.
>>2797248>>2797247Keep supporting le based national capital. I'm sure it won't end with workers and communists getting massacred on the streets for the 1617827267th time.
>>2797157aside from Islamic solidarity the Israelis have been pretty open about fucking with Turkey and that's making Erdo all hot and bothered. It is absurdly stupid that Tel Aviv did that shit when occupying Gaza nearly broke the country and they couldn't even chew Iran but megalomania do strange things with your brain
>>2797249
>will you help me overthrow the jewish bourgeoisie, and also the gentile bourgeoisie?
<YOU'RE JEWISH FOR ASKING THIS, AND IT'S YOUR FAULT AND IT WOULD BE JEWISH OF ME TO ANSWER YOUR JEWISH QUESTION
>>2797250i mean full frankness if the US has less jewish capitalist the Americans will not find themselves in this situation right now. Poltards are right in this regard. But the Marxist criticism of capitalism is deeper than "the capitalists are evil and crooked" and cut straight to wage labour and the very nature of capitalist expropriation.
>>2797254>i mean full frankness if the US has less jewish capitalist the Americans will not find themselves in this situation right now. Poltards are right in this regard. woah… if you remove capitalists… the situation is better… wow… we really have to hand it to polfags for figuring that one out
>>2797251Well you know it's always important to open up another front when losing a multi-front war. In fact israel should preemptively attack Egypt or the saudis. The more fronts they open is the only path to victory.
>>2797257no i mean if the capitalists are all 100% idk fully aryan wasps and not jews america will not be supporting Israel right now. Im not mincing words here. As much as this field is concerned poltards are correct: look at how invested the US is in the Israeli enterprise even compared to other EU capitals who also support Israel
>>2797258People opposed to Israel should also do this. When faced with the opportunity to oppose the genocidal jewish plutocracy it's important to change expand the battlefield to the entire system of capitalist exploitation.
It's not sus at all.
>>2797257Most non jewish capitalists just want to make money. They don't have any particular foreign policy preferences. That is particular to jewish capitalists. There aren't really any pro Palestinian capitalists. There's a bunch of neutral capitalists and a there's jews who have a very specific agenda.
>>2797259>no i mean if the capitalists are all 100% idk fully aryan wasps and not jews america will not be supporting Israel right now. lol they'd just be supporting neo-rhodesia or some shit instead
>>2797261>Most non jewish capitalists just want to make money. They don't have any particular foreign policy preferences. TIL non-Jewish capitalists have no imperialist foreign policy preferences, don't like balkanizing countries like Yugoslavia, don't like outsourcing jobs to places like India, don't paying undocumented immigrants less than domestic workers, don't like using the IMF to do loan sharking, union busting, and privatization on third world countries, etc…. they "just like making money" and foreign policy is not one of the ways to make money apparently, silly me
>>2797265
>Israel is neo-rhodesia. It has the added bonus of being catnip for Christ cultists.
yes, that adds to my point rather than contradicting it
>>2797262anon, the correct response is " yes, we would be better off if all the capitalists are white- and it would not matter in the end because communism is not about the morality of individual capitalists"
what you are doing right now is pussy shit. Instead of defending communism you are defending jews. And there is nothing wrong with that, jews are cool, but to a poltard it will only look like you are coping with very basic fact about ethnic solidarity
>>2797267i would not beat you too hard about it tbh. It is endemic to us leftists that we instinctually prioritize defending minorities and attacking any perceived racism. But here we must take a page from how the Bolsheviks dealt with antisemitism in Russia. Instead of dedicating all their time refuting the protocol of the elders and responding to white guards talking about judeobolshevism Lenin concentrated on what truly matters: winning the masses and not fighting the right on the field they are comfortable playing in
>>2797157Indians are so sad. They don't even have the insane protestants excuse of the other pro israel populations.
>>2797269they have a muslim neighbour they are archrival with anon. It makes perfect sense why they are allying with Israel. What makes 0 reason is why the US is so pro Israel, even decades before war of terror happens. In fact the only reason why America has beef with the Islamic world is because of Israel, who they didn't even need to ally with because the US already had a steadfast ally in Saudi Arabia in the South, Iran in the East and Turkey in the North.
>>2797270ah yes, you have alarm bells ringing in your head when you see that people are attacking Jews, a minority group, so like a good leftist you shift the blame to a comfortable minority, the Evangelical Christians (who also deserve the same fate that should befell the Zionists, mind you, i am not defending them).
The problem with this evangelical hypothesis anon is that: 1. You cannot explain why pro Israelism is also prominent in the Democrats, a faction not known to be favourable towards evangelical oligarchs
- The evangelicals have until recently been a very a weak foreign policy lobby. Their pet cause of "protecting Christians" in Nigeria failed to pass until very recently (and even that in a very limited form) and they could not get Trump, the evangelical president, to sever ties with Turkiye. That is how weak of a lobby they are
>>2797271>>2797271>In fact the only reason why America has beef with the Islamic world is because of Israelweird way to cover up imperialism and anticommunism
>>2797268>i would not beat you too hard about it tbh. It is endemic to us leftists that we instinctually prioritize defending minorities and attacking any perceived racism. But here we must take a page from how the Bolsheviks dealt with antisemitism in Russia. Instead of dedicating all their time refuting the protocol of the elders and responding to white guards talking about judeobolshevism Lenin concentrated on what truly matters: winning the masses and not fighting the right on the field they are comfortable playing inLenin literally denounced antisemitism while at the same time saying that Jewish capitalists were a valid target, yet if you say the same thing on here that Lenin said certain anons will call you a zio shill Jew. polfags love nothing more than to show up on a site that's 1000000000% more antizionist than their glowed up mossad shithole and accuse everyone of being a ziorat. It's how they wreck. I should just tell them to fuck off but instead I'm revealing what they are by asking a very basic question that they refuse to answer:
Should the gentile bourgeoisie also be overthrown, or merely the Jewish bourgeoisie?
>>2797227everyone is ignoring your question because it's a retarded dishonest premise that just exists to shield zionism.
but yes, if we ever achieved 100% goy bourgeoisie we can do class struggle.
>>2797278>but yes, if we ever achieved 100% goy bourgeoisie we can do class struggle.see how easy that was? wow, you admitted that both the jewish and non-jewish bourgeoisie do capitalism, imperialism, colonialism together. and it did not "shield zionism" one iota.
>>2797271>What makes 0 reason is why the US is so pro Israel, even decades before war of terror happens.Originally it was because Israel was willing to do the dirty work of warring against pan-Arab nationalists to guarantee the US easy access to socialist-free oil, and also prop up the gulf monarchies which Israel conveniently doesn't have beef with for some reason despite also being Muslims that almost universally hate Israelis.
But these days its because the US government is completely occupied by Zionists and not being pro-Israel is grounds to get fired from your job at the DMV, let alone any kind of political or glowie job. Dozens of US generals and hundreds/thousands of lower ranking military officers have been fired just for privately questioning Israel's hegemony over the US.
>>2797278>everyone is ignoring your question because it's a retarded dishonest premise that just exists to shield zionism.if a polfag shows up here and starts calling everyone jewish and refuses to admit that the gentile bourgeoisie are also largely zionist, then he is the one shielding zionism, not me. but nice try.
>>2797283𝔫𝔦𝔠𝔢 𝔞𝔯𝔤𝔲𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱 𝔟𝔲𝔱 𝔶𝔬𝔲'𝔯𝔢 𝔧𝔢𝔴𝔦𝔰𝔥 👺👺👺.
>>2797276lenin was literally a 🄵🅄🄲🄺🄸🄽🄶 🄺🄸🄺🄴 and so are you
mods will silence me for this post btw, proving this whole place is a glossad jewish nigger shithole
>>2797286you're just a nazoid, kill yourself
>>2797280>actually I wasn't trying to shield zionism, I was actually asking the pointless irrelevant question for no reason at all!damn, gottem
>>2797289>buy denouncing both the jewish and non jewish bourgeoisie, you are shielding zionismtell me how that is
>>2797283>if a polfag shows up here and starts calling everyone jewish and refuses to admit that the gentile bourgeoisie are also largely zionist, then he is the one shielding zionism, not me. but nice try.no one did that though which is why this is a retarded premise. fighting against zionist occupation also by definition includes fighting against the zionist collaborators that work to maintain the regime. this isn't the neo-nazi fantasy where white people are on the side of Justice and jews on the side of Satan. they work together on the shared project that is Zionism, and it's our job to pit them against eachother by amplifying contradictions within the relationship between goycattle and their masters the Epstein class.
I'm honestly getting tired of going over this argument with bad faith redditors who see /pol/ behind every corner. If you operate under the assumption all your comrades are secretly /pol/ maybe you aren't fit for class struggle. I can just imagine trying to discuss this at an irl party meeting and the inevitable infighting it would cause when one faggot insists on muddying the waters any time a motion to do anything against zionism is brought up, until everyone is so exhausted that they just stop talking about zionism, which is exactly what that one guy wants. That's basically what the last few years on this site has been like ever since Oct 7th, a constant struggle of trying to maintain Marxist criticism of Israel while 1 or 2 bad faith posters spam every thread with Hasbara talking points to get you to stop talking about Zionism. It's so boring dude.
Also you are Jewish.
>>2797291>discussion about jewish crimes against humanity<errm what about all the non jewish crime, huh?what do you think you're doing here?
>>2797294>no one did that thoughsure buddy, nobody scroll up and read the thread, just believe this guy
>>2797295joe biden is not jewish, but he is zionist
kill every jew on earth and there will still be millions of zionists. they are called republican and democrat voters. understand now?
>>2797274- I'm not defending jews or deflecting.
- I didn't say evangelicals were the primary reason but one of the main vectors they used for influence. The evangelicals in your alt history universe would just be as powerful as a lobby and they believe israel needs to exist for biblical end times.
- If you read my post you would have saw that also said our oil capitalist would have a vested interest in an imperial proxy in the middle east. Another vector israel and or some other M.E country in an alt history where jews never exist. Like Saudia Arabia
- >You cannot explain why pro Israelism is also prominent in the Democrats, a faction not known to be favourable towards evangelical oligarchs
It's not anymore, it was popular amongst the leadership and NATO freaks like Joe Biden (Irish Catholic guy from Delaware) and other the woke imperialist like Hill Clinton (also not jewish). Thanks to the pro-palestine movement that acted with courage. Despite being fucking suppressed under the Joe Biden regime who was a democrat. It wasn't Poltards that were getting peppered sprayed and smeared as anti-antisemites it leftist and liberals. The poltards were cheering it on. It's only now they have to carry water for Trump are they trying retroactively pretend they were right all Despite being found out as being just as much of a controlled opposition and honeypot as the democratic party is.
- You never addressed Saudia Arabia or imperial proxies.
- This is how you format list
polfags literally can't show solidarity against the entire bourgeoisie, both jewish and gentile, and will call you a crypto-jew for asking them to denounce the gentile bourgeoisie.
manifest destiny was zionist. america first is zionist. hope that helps polfag
>>2797298i mean that guy is literally a hasbara bot that just decided to go mask off because it's the perfect point in the discussion to derail it. now the rest of the thread will be anons invoking the /pol/ boogeyman to justify not criticizing zionism otherwise you're now /pol/ I guess. lol.
these people are really bad at hiding their tactics and people still fall for it.
>>2797301>polfags literally can't show solidarity against the entire bourgeoisie, both jewish and gentile, and will call you a crypto-jew for asking them to denounce the gentile bourgeoisie.Exactly, am I supposed to believe that our ruling class would be better if there were no jews? That our capitalist would be fair and just and not be just selling state assets and culture off to countries like Saudia Arabia and going to the kings palace and kiss the ring? Maybe a system based on profit seeking has no loyalty, nationalit, or morality and will always be a corrupted force.
>>2797305>to justify not criticizing zionism otherwise you're now /pol/ I guess. lol.faggiot I have spent every single post in this very long and pointless conversation denouncing the jewish bourgeoisie while also explaining that the gentile bourgeoisie support zionism, and that zionism is part of capitalism, imperialism, and settler colonialism. it is YOU and the polfags who say that any request to denounce the gentile bourgeoisie ALONGSIDE the jewish bourgeoisie (see, I compromise first, and you don't compromise AT ALL), is "evidence" of my being "jewish".
you really are just playing dumb on purpose, and now your stupider allies who go mask off have embarassed you so you have to pretend they're jewish too
>>2797306
america would just we wuz jews if that happened. anything to justify settler colonialism and resource extraction in the oil rich middle east
>>2797305dude you're a retard, everyone who says an opinion you basically believe in but in an obvious way is a bot?
>>2797309Sure thing buddy. Your head cannon is totally real.
You seem extremely keen to absolve jews so I'll let you get on with it.
>>2797308>it is YOU and the polfags who say that any request to denounce the gentile bourgeoisie ALONGSIDE the jewish bourgeoisieFirst of all, why should I couch any denouncement of the Jewish bourgeois with "and also the goy bourgeois" it comes off like "BUT HAVE YOU DENOUNCED HAMAS??" style of argument lol.
But also I have repeatedly stated my position that we should be playing the Jewish bourgeois and the goy bourgeois against eachother while simultaneously instilling a feeling of foreign occupation among the proletariat. Because they ARE being occupied by a foreign power even if that foreign power has completely fused with the American ruling class and they are now one and the same. Making the bourgeois seem as foreign and "Not Like Us" as possible is the only way to develop class consciousness in America. That doesn't mean we have to go around calling every rich person a russian saboteur but it does mean we should point out their ties to Israel and use it to attack them and call them foreign collaborators. Weaponize their loyalty to Israel against them. The American proles are already getting real sick and tired of Zionism, as I said before it's inevitable we either get Holocaust 2 or proper class struggle, and if the Left is unwilling to get involved in the fight against Israel for fear of being called antisemitic or the classic "I don't see race all bourgeois are evil" then the only ones sucking up all the public's attention will be Nazis and religious fundamentalists, and they will be the ones in a position to benefit after it's over.
"Have you denounced the goyim??" is a completely untenable position in 2026 and you will make zero progress using it to organize proles in America lol. I'm not exactly a populist but you have to know where the wind is blowing and how to control your messaging to resonate with the current political environment. Otherwise you will be left behind like the German Left in the 1920's. The war in Iran is literally destroying the American economy and most Americans blame Israel for it. Come the summer if the war isn't resolved there will be riots in the street from $10/gallon gas prices. Take advantage of this if you want any kind of success.
polyps will literally defend the honor of the majority-gentile bourgeoisie bankrolling the zionist project, call you jewish for noticing, and not even have the cleverness to specify jewish bourgeoisie, or zionist jew, because to them, jews in general are the problem, regardless of class, and gentiles are not the problem, regardless of class.
communists were literally anti-zionist since Lenin (he called Zionism reactionary in 1904, and fought the idpol of Jewish bund relentlessly, while at the same time acknowledging Jewish workers) and Communists have always fought for Palestinian liberation, meanwhile Hitler supported the Haavara agreement, and suddenly every Hitler worshipping poltard pretends they were the true Palestinian-lovers all along. They waited until Gaza was flattened to start performatively caring about Palestinians… just kidding they don't even do that much. They're more concerned with accusing Communists of being Zionist or Jewish for noticing their lack of class consciousness than showing an ounce of solidarity with the Palestinian struggle.
>>2797313>First of all, why should I couch any denouncement of the Jewish bourgeois with "and also the goy bourgeois" it comes off like "BUT HAVE YOU DENOUNCED HAMAS??" style of argument lol.no it doesn't you faggot because hamas is not bourgeois. hamas is the good guys you stupid fucking pol fag. literally just denounce the gentile bourgeoisie. just do it. you can't because you're a fucking pol fag. I'll denounce the talmud a million times or jump through any one of the hoops of your "prove youre not a jew"
>>2797312>You seem extremely keen to absolve jewsdeath to every fucking jewish bourgeoisie and death to every fucking gentile bourgeoisie
death to every fucking zionist
how is that "absolving jews" you lying stinking rotten zionist polfag
I'm not sure what you guys are even arguing about in concrete terms.
>>2797314>jews in general are the problem, regardless of classI mean, obviously this isn't the case but something like 50-60% of Jews earn over $100k/yr depending on the poll and iirc 90% of them support Israel. Jews are very much the American upper caste and I think there should be more pressure on Jewish groups and individuals to answer for their support for Israel without hiding behind the "Jewish homeland" crap.
Your post is correct though, it's important to be careful about not accidentally allying with Nazis. I just don't think that seriously requires discussion on leftypol though since the only Nazis we get are quick to go mask off and get themselves banned. Nazis are really bad at hiding their racism.
>>2797315>no it doesn't you faggot because hamas is not bourgeois. hamas is the good guysHamas criminalized homosexuality in Gaza. Obviously I don't care about this but some bad faith zionist will bring it up to force you to denounce Hamas whenever they feel threatened. Asking someone to denounce some irrelevant group to avoid accountability for the group currently being criticized is an extremely boring argument tactic.
>literally just denounce the gentile bourgeoisie. just do it.I've done it dozens of times in this very thread but that's not enough for you because what you really mean is "stop targeting the poor smol bean Jewish bourgeois!"
>>2797316>how is that "absolving jews" you lying stinking rotten zionist polfagasking him questions is the same as defending zionism, you're not playing by his (stupid, unbeatable) rules
>>2797316>death to every fucking jewish bourgeoisie and death to every fucking gentile bourgeoisie>death to every fucking zionistbased
ok i forgive you anon glad we can agree on the stuff that matters
>>2797319>"Jewish homeland" crap.I think the idea of a Jewish state is retarded because there are other minority groups that were oppressed throughout history that don't have their own state and such as Romani people or Kurds. So how come they don't get a state and Jews get such special treatment?
>>2797326see rightoids think everyone should get their own ethnonationalist state like israel and communists think nobody should have ethnonationalist states at all
>>2797325you "forgive" me but I did nothing wrong. I denounce the jewish bourgeoisie but you think asking you to denounce the gentile bourgeoisie is crypto-zionist. but the zionists rely on the support of the gentile bourgeoisie in NATO
>>2797339That's a different anon. I personally don't forgive you. To me you're a shabbos goy traitor to humanity.
All Zionists are bad regardless of class, bourg or not
I don't care if that makes me sound like less of a communist
Zionism is inherently fascistic and all ethno nationalist ideologies should be actively struggled against.
>>2797345>All Zionists are bad regardless of class, bourg or notno shit
and all zionists are "bad" jewish or not
>I don't care if that makes me sound like less of a communistok?
>>2797343>That's a different anon.yeah, the anon I was directly responding to. why are you here?
>To me you're a shabbos goy traitor to humanity.stop wasting my fucking time you retard. i have already proved i am not a zionist you have yet to prove you're actually against the ruling classes of all nations.
>>2797353>Zionism is inherently fascistic and all ethno nationalist ideologies should be actively struggled against.yes that's literally what I'm saying the whole time
>muh zionism
what if trump was gay
>>2797313>But also I have repeatedly stated my position that we should be playing the Jewish bourgeois and the goy bourgeois against eachother while simultaneously instilling a feeling of foreign occupation among the proletariat. The last time that happened the result was the Jews set up a state in Palestine. I think you should try to split the Jews. If you push the Jews into a corner then they will double down on supporting Israel and you won't get anywhere.
>>2797326>So how come they don't get a state and Jews get such special treatment?The "Jewish homeland" stuff was just a convenient myth, the reason is because the Jews won wars. They played their cards better and before declaring independence they developed an economy and formed state-like organizations and a proto-state military force called the Haganah with strike companies called the Palmach. They had a strategy and joined the winning side in World War II and got training with the British Army and combat experience against Vichy French forces in Lebanon and Syria while smuggling in arms and arms + ammunition manufacturing equipment. A lot of counter-Zionist stuff doesn't treat Jewish or Israeli actors as political agents with historical agency, they're afraid that will make Israel appear legitimate or "real" as opposed to Isn't-real, but that's not really doing analysis.
Also the idea that they were really outnumbered in the 1948 war is perhaps a myth I think. The Jewish population in the area was outnumbered but (I can't find the sauce on this right now but read that) they fielded numerically greater forces than the Arabs because they were better able to mobilize their numbers. Also were able to out-produce them in terms of ammunition, better able to manuever around. The U.S. had an arms embargo on Israel at the time BTW. Today the U.S. pays for around 15% of the Israeli military budget, which is a lot but I don't think it's the decisive thing that is keeping Israel going, also I think the U.S. will probably end military aid in the near future, like in the 2030s and maybe under the next administration. There's already a lot of talk on the Israeli side about preparing for this.
>>2797429
>t. obese american goybeast
>>2797445>red floodjust play kx instead if you like schizo paths
>>2797449I just like imagining if Germany wasn't cucked and the Second International didn't betray socialism and we were on the verge of world revolution…
>>2797449Also this one's not super schizo since he was offered leadership IRL, he just declined RIP
>>2797450cw:rr has some good paths for that too
>>2797452probably a wise choice on his part to be honest
Does anybody have the pictures of Trumps ominous presence in the background during the staged shooting?
It seemed to coincide with Miller using his pregnant wife as a human shield
>>2797403I don’t think anything would be different because he’s probably bi to be honest.
>>2797445>>2797449>>2797475>hoi4Yucky, Stellaris and Victoria are better
>>2797600total plat victory
>>2797656So… is there even an inkling inside this person that the private medical system is fucked up? They are like a person that sees an open door but fails to walk through it.
>>2797662Summary of a real conversation I had with a /pol/cel back in 4chode:
>You can't buy house a now because illegal aliens and women have took our jobs and made everything more expensive!<Then the problem is clearly the housing market and artificial scarcity. Immigrants and feminism are not the problem >Shut up you fucking Jewish commie faggot jidf shill!!These mfs rather blame all manner of boogie men rather than do a true meaningful systemic analysis.
>>2797245Just when I thought Rima Hassan couldn't be even more based… <3
>>2797660holy shit is a trotskyist gonna overthrow him
All nothing on the happening front
All happening on the nothing front
All fronting on the nothing happening.
One on the happening nothing front
All nothing front on the happening
All front the happening on nothing
On happening all front nothing the
All uygha on the uygha front
>>2797696Doesn't mean collapse, it will get actually bad when its 180%. This is common in some economies, and the US of course controls the reserve dollar so it matters even less
>>2797705>>2797707WOAH cool it with the anti-patriotic remarks
>>2797738GEEEEEEEG eurocucks btfo
>>2797660>>2797679The funny thing is, it's all old people too
>>2797738europe could actually challenge america if an economic disaster cleared the way for the continent to unite under a single polity
>>2797755shit that's never going to happen award, germany likes killing eastern euro economies too much
>>2797738What is happening in Malawi?
if quads burger reich die
>>2797641Lmao what is this from?
>>2797755How? Western euros are dependent on American tech. One Microsoft update and their economy is stalled across multiple sectors. They lack natural resources that other global powers have such as oil and rare earth minerals. The E.U is more like a trade zone than an actual federal government and lacks the centralizion thar other major global powers utilize and they have no central cultural or language. To their west they have an increasingly hostile U.S and to their east a resurgent Russia which they rely on for natural resources. Then to the south and south east they have a bunch of destabilized nations that are sending waves of refugees, further compounding political unrest.
So the future looks pretty bleak for the western euros. They'll like become satellite states of Russia in the near future and I can see Spain and the U.K fully disconnecting from the E.U and becoming satellite states for of the U.S.
>>2797759>germany likes killing eastern euro economies too muchunification implies one or two euro powers uniting the rest, Germany bringing in eastern europe to extract the remaining value under the guise of european unity would be the most likely event
>>2797780I think we're largely in agreement here, europe has many existential issues but its exactly these issues that will force them to adapt to the changing global political environment, and it can be done so long as europe starts to believe in european unity rather than broader western unity. the current generation of the euro establishment may not be capable of it but the continent is one re-shuffle away from restoring influence to the region imo
>>2797793>>2797641Damn, they really did draw him like a chuddy
>>2797795
>>2797792
Nobody gives a shit about nazis. You're just the zionist inbreds that lost. Death to all ethno-nationalist. Kill all inbreds in the name of the one true race the human race. Purge the reactionary liars and criminals.
>>2797805
Says the nazi, the most inherently Jewish ideology. You are an inbred and not human
>anti-Hasan Piker congressional resolution
Crazy we live in a hyper-real society where beef between reality TV stars, podcast bros and online streamer drama has become public policy whoa.
>>2797783
/pol/
>>2797792
Jannies please block MAGAt epsteinite from /pol/
>>2797809just watch as some random podcaster wins 2028
>>2797818
You are Epsteinite
>>2797814
You're right–/pol/ won insofar as turning the Amerikkkan right wing pro-Israel. Epstein, the creator of pol, won indeed.
>>2797823
You were psyopped by a rich pedophile with connections to Israel.
You are Epsteinite.
You are LARPer.
reminder that /leftypol/ is a CIA operation to waste leftists' time arguing with idiots instead of finding somewhere useful to talk. you are a glowie rube if you come to this website
>>2797833That’s why I do emotional nihilism posting, drive them away to greener pastures
>The left is le controlled opposition
This just seems like a cope that makes it seem like chuds aren't a lower order form of human organisms. They aren't even physically stronger than woke people but they are also much more likely to buy into scams.
>>2797795
Nick got one shotted by Richard Spencer and is a zogbot now
>>2797846
You sound like a one piece fag who got memed into following a shitty story and instead of admitting you wasted your time with a garbage product you double down and make excuses
>>2797846
can we just skip to the part where you paint your bedroom like Hitler painted the walls in his bunker in Berlin?
>>2797849
>downplays epstein
>downplays kirk
>supports zog war against VZ
>constantly picking fights against shitrael critics
>>2797860
You space like a redditor
>>2797860
3 weeks? slap on the wrist. they permabanned my boy for calling pasquale a cracker in a 3 day ban appeal message
>>2797860
>The establishment is on your side
T. Punk Rockers say to uyghas who aren't backed by record labels but because they string 3 chords along or say spam the N-Word and call everything jews that must mean they are actually edgy
>>2797860
honestly fucking saved as an example of how soft the mods are on you bastards
Fuck the faggot mods I was enjoying our exchange
>>2797833find me a better space and I'll migrate
inside you there are two wolves:
>>2797862>>2797866>>2797864>>2797866the duality of man
>>2797869bannerworthy almost
>>2797875this is a hobby. a sad one, but a hobby nonetheless
>>2797854did he actually wear that shit or was that AI, I forget. I could see it being either
>>2797878he is selling the jacket in his online store now, what do you think?
>>2797883lmfao, god what a grifter
>>2797878>>2797890Nick has praised Epstein multiple times
>>2797326>Romani Nomadic people should have access to every nation, ethno-internationlism
>>2797906
No one reads the OP anyway
official petition for Mods to remove Jacobin from the header of the /USApol/ threads.
This Machine Kills podcast laughed at Jacobin taking a third-way neoliberal capitalism against merely pausing to consider whether to regulate AI data centers, compared to radically anti-tech oligarch argument from the New Yorker against the Jeffrey Epstein class grooming children in schools
<TMK pod #455. The Anti-Anti-Anti-Data-Centres Social Club
.
<"Democratic Governance of AI Is the Real Solution"
Jacobin: "democratic activism is dangerous to democracy, the real solution is Democracy™. Fighting late capitalist architecture isn't REAL socialism. You ignorant cattle must read our Effective Altruist magazines published by the PMC Jeffrey Epstein class, who we must support with our national socialist industrial policy to fight China, who doesn't care about your human rights or privacy like we Zionists do"
<"What Will It Take to Get A.I. Out of Schools?"
TMK pod liked this one New Yorker quote:
>“If you ask tobacco companies to help write your school’s policy on cigarettes,” Garrett quipped, “you’re going to end up with guidance on how to smoke responsibly in school.” (In an e-mail, a D.O.E. spokesperson said that more than a thousand “stakeholders,” including families and educators, were “engaged” in drafting New York’s preliminary guidance"
"stakeholders" finance jargon ✅
Jacobin used DEI wokeness about equity and the impoverished global south to argue for neoliberal deregulation with their Zionist psyop of Abundance anti-NIMBY movement. They fear of the "danger" of slowing down capitalist acceleration for even a single month, and love thought of destroying inefficient education markets, one of the last remaining public commons, to fully privatize society:
<"Without radical change to our pedagogy, we risk extracting rent for credentials"
"Public education are landlords, AI slop is benevolent and loving" - neoliberals helping the landlord rentier class gain complete hegemony over rents by taking up all the marketshare as Uber/etc have done
The PMC at Jacobin only mention class war to pretend only educated middle class who hate data centers (the activists who agitate against AI are ignorant crazy conspiracy theorists who are "dangerous" by influencing people to target Sam Altman?) Effective Altruist PMC neoliberals smugly lecturing as if only they can dictate correct working class consciousness and only they can help the global poor, not China, are so arrogant and pretentious, they must be Israeli-style Zionists! They cry about working class being denied access (#AccessToFreeMarketsForHealthcare) to the anti-China American government version of fascist eugenics technology
>>2797915Jacobin is the primary outlet of the DᛋᛋA, so you shouldn't act surprised when they side with capitalists. That is their role in society, after all. Social Democracy is, was and always will be objectively the moderate wing of fascism, and the DᛋᛋA was founded EXPLICITLY to destroy the American left.
That is what it does, and that is all it can ever do, unless we destroy it first.
>>2797940The correct play here would be to assassinate both of these fascists, but sadly there is no left in America so we will get a rich kid who willingly became a torture dungeon guard and bragged about how much he enjoyed it and wished he could have committed genocide against Native Americans as "the left wing of what's possible", exactly like the DᛋᛋA planned.
>>2797940Lmao, straight up A/B testing to see what gets her more clicks.
>>2797960My comrades and I actually did blow up an arms factory, which is more than you faggots will ever accomplish in your miserable lives. I even caught it on video.
>>2797954At least Laura Loomer doesn't spend all day simping for some of the most notorious union busters in the nation (and therefore, the world), Myles.
Learning that you're a scab makes so much make sense. Scabs are the lowest form of life on earth, they aren't even animals. Calling you subhuman is unfair.
>>2797963>Scabs are when you work for a job that doesn't already have a union in it.Felix you didn't even unionize your workplace. You joined something already established.
>>2797966He hasn't even blown up the unguarded factory like he promised to do, he aint unionizing shit. Too busy writing up fanfics where he totally btfos DSA fascists in the marketplace of ideas because he's too cowardly to do so in real life or shoot them like he keeps talking about
>>2797966Scabbing is also when you suck up to the union busting bosses and pretend they treat you well to prevent your co-workers from unionizing. You are nothing more than a propaganda agent for management, which is fitting because you are petty-bourgeoisie and therefore represent your own class interests.
>see glowy reply
>unhide it
>it's some dumb shit
>hide it again
Every time.
you think evan rief has ever spoken to a black person in real life?
>>2796233Silly-con valley is trying to replace public school teachers with AI as an attack on perhaps the last vestige of organized labor in the us.
To understand this, you have to go back to what young brother here referred to as the house Negro and the field Negro back during slavery. There was two kinds of slaves. There was the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes, they lived in the house with master. They dressed pretty good. They ate good because they ate his food, what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master, and they loved their master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master's house quicker than the master would.
If the master said, "We got a good house here," the house Negro would say, "Yeah, we got a good house here." Whenever the master said we, he said we. That's how you can tell a house Negro. If the master's house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, "What's the matter, boss, we sick?" We sick! He identified himself with his master more than his master identified with himself.
If you came to the house Negro and said, "Let's run away. Let's escape. Let's separate," the house Negro would look at you and say, "Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?" That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a house uyghur. That's what we call him today, because we've still got some house uyghurs running around here.
This modern house Negro loves his master. He wants to live near him. He'll pay three times as much as the house is worth just to live near his master, and then brag about "I'm the only Negro out here." "I'm the only one on my job." "I'm the only one in this school." You're nothing but a house Negro. If someone came to you right now and said, "Let's separate," you'd say the same thing that the house Negro said on the plantation, "What you mean, separate? From America? This good white man? Where you going to get a better job than you get here?" I mean, this is what you say. "I ain't left nothing in Africa." That's what you say. Why, you left your mind in Africa.
On that same plantation, there was the field Negro. The field Negro, those were the masses. There was always more Negroes in the field than there was Negroes in the house. The Negro in the field caught hell. He ate leftovers. In the house, they ate high up on the hog. The Negro in the field didn't get nothing but what was left of the insides of the hog. They call them chitterlings nowadays. In those days they called them what they were, guts. That's what you were, a gut-eater. Some of you all still are gut-eaters.
The field Negro was beaten from morning until night. He lived in a shack, in a hut. He wore old castoff clothes. He hated his master. I say he hated his master. He was intelligent.
That house Negro loved his master. But that field Negro, remember, they were in the majority, and they hated the master. When the house caught on fire, he didn't try and put it out. That field Negro prayed for a wind, for a breeze. When the master got sick, the field Negro prayed that he'd die. If someone come to the field Negro and said, "Let's separate. Let's run," he didn't say "Where are we going?" He'd say, "Anyplace is better than here."
You've got field Negroes in America today. I'm a field Negro. The masses are the field Negroes. When they see this man's house on fire, you don't hear these little Negroes talking about "our government is in trouble." They say, "The government is in trouble." Imagine a Negro, "Our government"! I even heard one say "our astronauts." They won't even let him near the plant, and "our astronauts"! "Our Navy." That's a Negro that's out of his mind. That's a Negro that's out of his mind.
>>2797940people will fall for plapner and he will plap them for falling for it
>>2797972>”If you’re a worker who doesn’t form a union and works in miserable conditions you’re petite bourgeois”You really don’t know what words mean, do you? On one hand you’re claiming we’re REALLY working in awful conditions and not claiming that is “sucking up to union busting bosses” while on the other you’re claiming actually we’re petite-bourgeois and living large at others expense.
And I mean this isn’t even going into how months ago the line was that if I even talked about anything I dislike about my job it was pure privilege. Again: you called me an “upjumped bagger” and then scolded me for saying management was being stupid because “you don’t know how easy you have it.”
Frankly it’s obvious you’re not actually a communist and more an antisocial retard.
>>2798005You're petty bourgeois because you have considerable reserves, an elite education and side with the bosses over the workers. You spread the bosses propaganda and help them stop the workers from organizing, you are nothing more than a NCO in the army of capital.
It's cute seeing YOU, of all people, accusing someone of not being a communist when you are a militant anti-Communist who spends all your time simping for union busters and insisting that the left can and should do nothing but vote Democrat. You and your party of collaborators has done more to prevent a militant, serious left from emerging in this country than any other factor, and you know it, which is why you're in the DNCPUSA.
>>2798003I mean he isn’t. He’s literally just an insane stalker; I won’t deny that he makes me look better by comparison and I think that’s obvious to everyone but he genuinely seems unable of stopping himself.
Again, I won’t deny how this in the long run “proves my point” or whatever, being I’ve said again and again that a big problem with the western left is they give the impression they despise the western proletariat; I would of course argue that it’s because I’m broadly correct on that point, but the people who think I’m wrong will just see Felix as the exception rather than the rule.
I don’t know how I prove to you that Felix and I aren’t the same guy. I’m not gonna post my face cause frankly that’s info I don’t want to share (shit even my name being leaked was more an accident brought on by posting the wrong file than anything) so all I can do is say that Felix is just an annoying weirdo.
>>2798013Felix never posted face either.
Hmmmmm……
>>2798013I was mostly just being facetious tbh, I figure it's highly unlikely but that would mean the reasons for his behavior are even less rational. Why constantly go to a website where everyone hates you just to hound one single namefag every time he posts? What logic justifies a one sided parasocial hateboner? Lust for attention? Rejected by a bad goth bitch from the CPUSA? Or was he just born with a heart full of parasocialism?
>>2797867Is there a leftypol but without mods trying to enforce the party line? I wish to go there. I don't care if it has crypto-nazis as long as the site is left-wing.
>>2798003The fact that you'd side with an out and proud fascist scab who spends all his time helping the bosses bust unions and reading Mosley because he's polite is more of a problem with you than a problem with me.
>>2798020No dude, it's just evidence that you're a hysterical schizophrenic who compensates for his lack of success in his personal life and lack of any revolutionary potential by seething endlessly about how some random guy bagging groceries is the single greatest threat to communism while you do nothing but go on a site where everyone hates you and bitch and moan. Also you're a fascist who appropriates communist imagery because you get off at the idea of murdering people to satiate your violent impulses, but that's another conversation
>>2798014What? His face is practically a meme on here for how creepy he looks.
>>2798017>Why constantly go to a website where everyone hates you just to hound one single namefag every time he posts? What logic justifies a one sided parasocial hateboner? Lust for attention? Rejected by a bad goth bitch from the CPUSA? Or was he just born with a heart full of parasocialism?Love the futurama reference.
And as for "why", I mean, I've seen some people suffer psychotic breaks before and it makes even less sense. Dudes who end up stalking someone they barely had a relationship before and developing bizarre conspiracies where the world itself seems to bend around their relationship to the person they're stalking.
Maybe he's got a classic case of Schizotypal personality disorder?
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizotypal-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353919 >>2798023Thanks I was hoping someone would catch that, Matt Groening the GOAT fr fr
>>2798023Epic heckin pop culture references are Myles favorite thing, besides busting unions and voting Democrat in elections.
How is that working out for you, by the way? Biden's own cabinet admits that he also would have bombed Iran, and Biden's history shows he would have done nothing but accelerate the genocide in Gaza, but you still support him because your liquidationist, ultra-Browderist "Communist" party doesn't even consider anyone but Americans to be human beings.
>>2798023i don't think the real iron felix is really evan reif from covert action magazine. that guy writes in a completely levelheaded way compared to the guy who posts here using his face
https://covertactionmagazine.com/author/evanrief/also your pic looks edited compared to the real author pic
https://covertactionmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/evan-reif.png >>2798031The only source of that claim is from some Israeli administrator, and if you're taking the word of the Israeli government at face value then I've got a bridge to sell you
>>2798016
strait status?
Why don't CPUSANON just kill félix, the weakest oganizer?
Jubilee Presents
SURROUNDED: 1 Evan Reif vs 20 CPUSA members
>>2798035My source for that claim is Amos Hochstein, one of Biden's closest and longest running advisors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuhJS1d-F6Y&t=169sYou are right to call him an Israeli, but only insomuch as you're right to call anyone in the Biden regime an Israeli, because they all advocate tirelessly for Israel and it's genocidal policies in the Middle East. This is why the Zionist DNCPUSA supports Biden and Harris, because they are Zionists who don't care about genocide as long as the American workers are promised an additional ration of crumbs from the table.
The fact that they never get their crumbs doesn't seem to bother the DNCPUSA at all, they continue on their policy of wholly subordinating their party to the whims of the DNC because they are ultimately collaborationists, liquidationists and hyper-Browderists who believe that voting Democrat is the ultimate form of praxis.
>>2798032>i don't think the real iron felix is really evan reif from covert action magazine. that guy writes in a completely levelheaded way compared to the guy who posts here using his facesomeone is capable of writing coherently when they aren't on an imageboard? must be a different person.
probably 60% of people on 4chan are college educated and still choose to write like retards because it's the site's culture.
>>2798032Jesus somehow the second pic looks even worse.
>>2798043His claim isn't backed up by anyone else so for all we know it's just him talking out of his ass
>>2798035>The only source of that claim is from some Israeli administrator, and if you're taking the word of the Israeli government at face value then I've got a bridge to sell youI would say just based on intuition and knowing how the Dems operate that Felix is right and Biden would have also bombed Iran because it's what Israel tells him to do. The president in charge doesn't matter, Netanyahu has been in power for over 20 years and gives them marching orders.
>>2798016
a ceasefire isn't really the same as the end of a war. a war ends in a peace treaty. technically the korean war is still going.
>>2798052But Biden wouldn't have even been president THOUGH? It just comes across as wishful thinking and a convenient way for this guy to align himself with Trump because even the most bloodthirsty neocons weren't retarded enough to declare war on Iran until Trump came along. Not even Clinton or Bush.
>>2798016lies, see iran thread
>>2798028>>2798054Her breathing activates my fight or flight instincts.
>>2798055This is kind of giving Trump too much credit. He didn't really "want" war with Iran which is why he tried to cuck out last year with the Fordow bombing. Israel pressured and/or bribed him into war with Iran and he's just an easily influenced retard that somehow thought it would go well. Previous presidents probably got the same treatment but because they are mentally competent were able to sidestep the Israeli pressure not because they don't want to destroy Iran but because they knew it's impossible to win.
The fact it's supposedly a Biden aide and not a Harris aide also suggests that these "aides" are the same people that were wheeling Biden around and signing documents for him, he's just as fucking senile as Trump. A Biden aide saying they would have gone to war with Iran is pretty telling.
Also this is totally unrelated but I was reading that Axios article about the "Dem election autopsy" and the fact Harris's response to criticism regarding Gaza is "I should have handled the PR better" and not "We shouldn't have supported a genocide" is really telling about how truly complicit the Americans are in this whole thing, regardless of party. Evil fucks.
https://archive.ph/T9zF3 >>2798067You're not wrong there, Trump's senility is definitely a factor into why he let himself get dragged into this war. However I also think that the operation in Venezuela being a rousing success gave these ghouls such a power high that they thought they were able to do anything, which meant Trump could easily be talked into starting a war with Iran because he was sure they'd just surrender like Venezuela did. Instead we have this and since Trump is incapable of admitting fault he has no choice but to double down in order to save face. Not that Israel is complaining much. Point is it takes a unique brand of senility, overconfidence, and shortsightedness to escalate to actual war with Iran, a trifecta that Biden and Harris for all of their numerous NUMEROUS faults and support of genocide in their own right did not have on the same degree as 2026 Trump. Even last year's Trump wouldn't have been dumb enough to wage war on Iran, that twelve day nothingburger notwithstating
>>2798067Reminder: The DNCPUSA not only supports both Biden and Harris, but they insist that any genuine leftist party who refuses to do so is wrong, sectarian and "killing the left"
In their mind, the sole and ultimate praxis that is possible is voting for the Democrats every four years, regardless of their policies, because the Democrats still promise to give the American Volk more crumbs from the table, even though they constantly renege on their promises.
>>2798059Asthmatic
Sociopathic
Manslaughter
Respiration
>>2798094the one that doesn't work for hollywood pedophiles
>>2798094Not to defend Felix or anything but I'm pretty sure Mace Windu doesn't have the best track record with children either, bro is at least 25% responsible for Anakin turning to the dark side if you include his actions in the Clone Wars series
>>2797938>Jacobin is the primary outlet of the DᛋᛋAnow I understand why dickrider mods are always reposting articles from that shitty rag on xitter
>>2797992They've already made on here in chicago, it costs 50k a year
>>2798003>a personality so odious that they'll take his side simply by being the lesser evilI believe this is called "Trotsky syndrome".
>>2798121leon means lion so trotsky is the fursona
>>2798124Wait I thought his name in Russian was Lev and Leon was just a transliteration, does Lev also mean lion?
>>2798102The Jedi are just space cops (no surprise this fascist board likes them) and people bitching about muh children would cry if a police academy burned down
yanks
>>2798169Legalizing killing billionairs and taking control of their assets would be even better for business
>>2798169instead of wishing for the death of america, you should actually make action on that.
>>2798054Last thing those kids at the romanian ophange saw
Actually you know what speaking of Star Wars and pop culture in general, there's something interesting I've noted in the last year or so in popular media
I'm going to use three shows to make my point: Maul: Shadow Lord, Daredevil: Born Again, and The Boys. The first two are of course Disney owned and the third might as well be, but I bring them up because the themes they have all reflect liberalism and its flaws. In all three shows there's a general pattern: there's a "task force" or something like it, usually based on ICE (the Empire itself for Maul, the Anti Vigilante Taskforce for Daredevil, and whatever shit they have in The Boys) which arbitrarily abducts and imprisons people in cages or concentration camps with at most a show trial if that. However at the same time all three shows also portray local police forces as valiant defenders of the law who resent these government task forces for their brutality in some way or another, so part of all of those shows is the conflict between local law enforcement and "big government" law enforcement more or less.
I could go into more detail there but I wont cuz I know nobody wants me to ramble about TV shows. Basically though the premise for liberal media seems to be that law enforcement itself is a good thing, but ICE and the DHS are somehow a corruption of that concept and are thus resisted by police. It's completely farcical of course if one looks at the general trend of police cooperation with ICE, but I bring this up because it's a view the general public is increasingly internalizing and it's being represented by popular culture.
Daredevil: Born Again is particularly insidious because it seems like they're trying to combine opposition to Trump with opposition to Mamdani, at least in the second season. The basic premise is that Wilson Fisk aka Kingpin ends up becoming mayor of New York City and he basically conducts himself in this kinda populist Trump kind of way, with shit really kicking off when certain superheroes and villains get in the way of his agenda so he launches a task force of sadistic police officers to go after "vigilantes" which as of the season one finale is just anybody who commits a crime they dont like. However the elements of Mamdani come from the fact that there's still a populist element to Fisk's tenure as mayor and his conflicts with New York's governor over his "radical" policies. Basically I feel like the cultural establishment is trying to have it both ways, using opposition to Trump to also coordinate opposition to the so called "radical left"
>>2798226>proceeds to campaign for the Democrats like Biden who spearheaded the collapse of unionslol
she has nice titties tho
>>2798195In the boys the protags are the CIA task force killing and kidnapping people though, I guess the totally unrealistic liberalism is that they somehow attack a burger corpo and murder fascists instead of selling crack in disadvantaged neighborhoods and assassinating labor organizers
>>2798202>>2798195I usually use /ISG/ for pop media analysis but I hold to my argument that the early Marvel films were maybe the embodiment of mainstream American Zeitgeist from the start of the Obama administration onwards.
>>2798195I've just recently watched it but I think that andor which is the star wars show that is actually pretty alright is the one that seems to have a generally cold approach to copes even if it isn't ACAB about it. They are at most just goons of the state in that show, but y'know I could be wrong about it because I'm honestly not the kind of guy who looks at most shows with that sort of lens because most of them frankly don't deserve it.
>>2798269>this look.that's just the default expression everyone has in america these days. especially zoomers.
"lights are on but no one's home"
>>2798261Yeah I'll agree out of all of these properties Andor is the most revolutionary, intentional or otherwise. There's definitely a lot of threads of liberalism they try to weave in it but the underling premise and message of the series promotes organized revolutionary left activism. That whole "I share my dreams with ghosts" speech in season 1 for instance is pretty much taken from Nechayev's catechism
>>2798317Nah, I think the roadmap we’re on towards is basically just the modern Russian federation with more guns.
>>2798304>>2798304>but the underling premise and message of the series promotes organized revolutionary left activism.Wrong. If you were to make that argument what it's at best promoting here is an I fantile adventurism.
>>2798203Nobody but the most fanatical Zigga/duginite gives a fuck about Putin's long ass diatribes about the fucking Kievan Rus whenever people ask him something regarding the ongoing war.
>>2798317>CIA🤝 Zionist🤝cartelsKeeping Latinx America from becoming a super power
Hello anons, this is guy in the image is US Forces Korea Commander Xavier Brunson.
I am Neo-Cheka intelligence and Propaganda minster. I'm reporting on the National question of the United States for American.
He's been in command in:
United Nations Command
ROK/US Combined Forces Command
United States Forces Korea
I Corps
7th Infantry Division
525th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade (Airborne)
1st Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment
and been in these conflicts:
Iraq War
War in Afghanistan
Operation Inherent Resolve
Why does he matter to me and to you anon? Well…
I was browsing Twitter, as you all know, and I got a tweet saying that Mr. Brunsonover here is calling for a "kill web"
I looked online and brisked some articles and well provide sources on the bottom this being
South Korean News Ariang, Japan times, and the intro view itself and the United States
This is the second visible step, outside when China months ago was trying to hide its military buildup and moving military vehicles around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdf9BHKn2I4 This is the intro view labeled "To receive testimony on the posture of the United States Indo-Pacific Command and United States Forces Korea in review of the Defense Authorization Request for Fiscal Year 2027 and the Future Years Defense Program." you can find where he such discussion went.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usAXKnOMJp4 This is the South Korean source in English
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2026/04/28/asia-pacific/us-forces-korea-kill-web/ the japan times
>>2798372So why does this matter?
So debt just exceeded 100% of GDP.
Personally expect super austerity in the coming years, but unless they touch the military budget I have no idea how they expect to get the debt down.
>>2798378Honestly, when trump dies and if the republicans still exist, I could see Rand Paul types gaining power destroying the united states further, cutting everything imaginable
>>2798344>for 400 years every president that has sat in this office has done nothing but oppress our peopleNeither the white house, nor the presidency, nor the united states are 400 years old. Whoever made this could have much more accurately said "For 400 years the colonialists have oppressed our people" and they would have been right, since the English started colonizing the USA in the early 1600s, and started bringing African slaves in 1619. So 400 is accurate for that metric. They unnecessarily burdened their own rhetoric with a basic historical innaccuracy here.
>>2798378Jill Stein gets in and replaces austerity with prosperity with massive green infrastructure programs 💚
>>2798317Reminder that at the same time that Maduro was getting falsely slandered as a drug trafficker, an actual CIA-backed drug trafficker was getting pardoned.
>>2798378idk how did trump get rid of the debts from his other business debacles
>>2798380I think libertarianism is a deeply unpopular ideology and the saving grace of the Paul’s is they say the quiet part out loud. Any super austerity would likely be done by “national conservatives” or some shit. Paul would say we should end social security and get his ass kicked in an election
>>2798381Ehhh I think it does to the extent that the U.S. is not wholly immune to economic knock on effects. Shit, wasn’t one argument for Germany starting WW2 that they had to hurry to repay the massive debt they developed from MEFO bills?
>>2798294sometimes i wonder if it's the exhausted stare of someone who understands, but cannot muster the energy to think/say/feel anything about it, or if it is the stare of someone who does not understand, and cannot understand.
>>2798378Another crack in the foundation of the rotten house called the United States. Give it time, and the foundation will give way, collapsing the house.
>>2798380>if the republicans still existThey absolutely will still exist because the Dems need the Republicans around to justify their existence.
>>2798381trump killed all the aid programs bruh africa isnt getting subsidized american wheat exports dumped into their market anymore, now their domestic industry has room to grow (albeit with tariffs which makes export a bit harder)
>>2798398>wasn’t one argument for Germany starting WW2 that they had to hurry to repay the massive debt they developed from MEFO bills?a few points
- germany wasn't the unipolar hegemon in the interwar period between ww1 and ww2
- germany had hyperinflation because they made money printer go brrr but could not outsource the negative effects of money printer go brrr by making others have large reserves of their currency, which is one of the benefits of having the world reserve currency and unipolar military hegemony
- interwar germany was imperialist, but not anywhere on the same scope the USA is. interwar germany wasn't pulling off coups on 5 continents, wasn't using IMF-like institutions to loan shark, privatize, and union bust economies that were dependent on its own. the usa has all these tools at its disposal
- the usa also abolished the gold standard, so it has world reserve currency status AND a currency that is no longer redeemable in gold. when de gaulle and others tried to redeem their dollar reserves for gold, nixon did the nixon shock and abolished the gold standard.
- germany was an industrial powerhouse but the current USA has outsourced and deindustrialized, putting its productive capacity in far away countries, so even if countries suddenly had the power to collect their debt from the USA, they would have to subsidize the re-industrialization of the USA, so that US workers could be debt slaves for several generations, something that is not easy to pull off without huge investment in the USA, something nobody wants to do
- the US has over 800 (maybe less now since iran destroyed a few) offshore military bases in countries all over the world, including its NATO lilypad bases built by ex-military contractors, and has ambitions for a long term project called "prompt global strike" where it will be able to bomb any hostile force with conventional weapons in 1 hour or less.
the US has made it very hard to rock the boat of its hegemony. never has a country had so many tools at its disposal to maintain its hegemony.
>>2798413that video isn't talking about USAID it's talking about normalized trade relations. i.e. africa is still forced to BUY US/EU wheat due to ongoing structural adjustment programs it has through the IMF
there's no video of president trump suckin a ding dong. i never sucked any ding dongs.
>>2798484It’s funny how much the Trump admin despises alternative fuel sources while raising the cost of gas.
>>2798489imma be real with you. I saw the photo, and I wanted to share it, not because I feel sorry for him, or for the average burger looking at the gas prices now. No after the thousands of photos, videos, of eviscerated and dismembered Palestinian kids.
I decided to share it to show what reap and sow means.
>>2798496Shame the people that are most responsible for the war aren’t affected.
>Five US airlines have requested $2.5 billion in emergency aid from the Trump administration due to a 100% increase in jet fuel prices (over $4.1 per gallon). The White House has not yet given a definitive response.
>>2798507pay up goycattle taxpayer, you wanna support the war effort don't you??
>>2798504>>2798508You speak as if the poor yanks are being bombed. Yanks are unaffected. Yank gas prices are low
>>2797738 >>2798495Think they were doing that ages ago by claiming that liberals had "degenerated" or "shrunken" amygdalas as an obvious cope for some article that made the rounds saying conservatives had enlarged amygdalas, aka they were scared of stuff more
>>2798520>>2798495Is this vulgar materialism?
>>2798513that's the national average, averaging state (not the average of price paid by customers).
between cal an dny states there's a 1/6th of the population, so, I'd say the price must be around 5 to 6 to most burgers.
>>2798418this is why america has to be taken down from within, it cannot be destroyed by an external enemy.
>>2798240still the current "left most" option that has any chance of winning the presidency, unfortunately
>>2798579I don't care who wins the presidency we want revolution not winning Zionist American Idol.
>>2798582can't have a revolution without enough popular support for one. it's not gonna happen overnight so need to pursue dual power both inside and outside bourgeois election system in order to build enough legitimacy and a strong enough organization to overthrow it
>>2798584Bourgeois elections will never ever give you dual power. Bourgeois politicians will always betray the revolution because their master is Zionism and they will say whatever they need to say to get your voot with no intention of delivering. You will never win healthcare by vooting. I'm sorry but we can't keep having this conversation every time some lib gets popular on tiktok.
Instead of wasting your time campaigning for AOC try spending that time listening to the needs and concerns of your local community and then taking steps to solve them directly instead of relying on politicians to magic us into socialism. Every cent donated to AOC's inevitable failure of a presidential run could be spent building local infrastructure that meets the needs of the people around you that you interact with everyday.
Fuck AOC and fuck electoralism.
>>2798588>try spending that time listening to the needs and concerns of your local community and then taking steps to solve them directlythat's literally what i just said. saying that we should participate in elections even if the options are crappy to mediocre is not the same thing as thinking that they will solve our problems all on their own (aka electoralism). our goal is to create class consciousness and develop enough popular support for a revolution, which cannot happen if we stand apart from the masses and don't use every avenue and means at our disposal to present our case. Luxemburg was clear on this in Reform or Revolution - do you think electing SPD members in the German Empire would have ever given them socialism, even if the SPD hadn't betrayed the movement? no. but they needed to participate anyway.
>The secret service officer who shot the colleague during the ballroom assassination attempt was the female officer.
Women bros, we are on a bad streak. First the crashed pilot and now this.
>>2798600>Luxemburg was clear on this in Reform or Revolution - do you think electing SPD members in the German Empire would have ever given them socialism, even if the SPD hadn't betrayed the movement? no. but they needed to participate anyway.Why? They obviously failed so what's the point of copying the German Left's tactics? It reads to me more like a blueprint to end up with Hitler 2. Which…seeing the current state of American politics I guess you got what you wanted.
>>2798604they didn't fail because they participated in elections - it made them the strongest "socialist" party in the world pre-1914. they failed because they began to focus on Bernsteinist reformism over everything, wherein electoral coalitions and national development was seen as paramount and revolution was seen as impossible/unnecessary, which led to ebert and noske betraying the Spartacists, which led to Kautsky and the "Center Marxists" opposing Russia and doing little against the rising of Nazism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5VQClZlOg >>2798482>green line goes upI don't see the problem, this way workers can lend money to the US good government and harvest interest from their imperialist tax payers
>>2798613or lean into the syncretic ideological angle
>>2798607ironic considering kautsky got what he wanted in the russian revolution, i.e. state socialism
>>2798639
>there are other options to reach the masses
if it was that easy we would've had world socialism already, but the vast majority still either think "socialism is when no iphone and dictatorship" or "socialism is when the government does stuff". ceding complete control of the bourgeois apparatus to the bourgeoisie does nothing for us.
>>2798317the fuck is that goblin next to bibi
>>2798607>they didn't fail because they participated in elections - it made them the strongest "socialist" party in the world pre-1914. they failed because they began to focus on Bernsteinist reformism over everything, wherein electoral coalitions and national development was seen as paramount and revolution was seen as impossible/unnecessary, which led to ebert and noske betraying the Spartacists, which led to Kautsky and the "Center Marxists" opposing Russia and doing little against the rising of Nazismif you cant see the link between participating in elections and becoming corrupt reformists obsessed with working within the system to cling to power then I don't know how much more clearly it can be said. you actually perfectly illustrated why electoralism is a trap while advocating for electoralism lol.
>>2798645He probably was diddling kids before running away to Israel.
>>2798679participating in elections doesn't automatically make you an anti-revolutionary reformist… the SRs and RSDLP in Russia did so as did the KPD in Germany, many different Latam parties, etc. Even Marx himself explicitly says to participate in elections as long as you're doing so with a clear line to advance the movement. the only problem is that we still don't have a worker's party and the 2 party system blocks us so we need to build one up or we will never be united. what you are proposing - that we don't interact with the bourgeois electoral system at all - is literally anarchism/leftcom revisionism. even according to Lenin:
>"The use of the Duma tribune is an absolute necessity. A prolonged effort to educate and organise the masses of the proletariat becomes particularly important. The combination of illegal and legal organisation raises special problems before the Party.">The illegal Party must know how to use, it must learn how to use, the legal Duma group; it must train up the latter into a Party organisation equal to its tasks. The most mistaken tactics, the most regrettable deviation, from consistent proletarian work, dictated by the conditions of the present period, would be to raise the question of recalling the group from the Duma>Need less to say, the task of these cells and committees must be to utilise all the semi-legal and, as far as possible, legal organisations, to maintain “close contact with the masses”, and to direct the work in such a way that Social-Democracy responds to all the needs of the masses. Every Party cell and workers’ committee must become a “base for agitation, propaganda and practical organising work among the masses”, i. e., they must go where the masses go, and try at every step to push the consciousness of the masses in the direction of socialism, to link up every specific question with the general tasks of the proletariat, to transform every act of organisation into one of class consolidation, to win by dint of energy and ideological influence (not by their ranks and titles, of course) the leading role in all the proletarian legal organisations.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1909/jan/28.htm >>2798697and yet for the past 140 years there have been attempts to produce this great, wonderful "workers' party" and yet it never materialized, even when it participated in bourgeois elections! you can call it "revisionism" (every "head" after marx is automatically a revisionist by this idiotic logic) if you want, but it is correct, what good has every communist party since 1921 achieved by participating in bourgeois elections?
Bourgeois infiltrator^^^^
>>2798697you are correct, and thanks for citing your sources, unfortunately the libs you're arguing with dismiss lenin and marx as incorrect so these words have no effect on them
>>2798703we should take positions on things based on what we know since they wrote, you are nothing but a para-religious bible thumper who quotes his favorite verses in order to justify a position that may well have seemed correct 117 years ago! in what world should we follow this, as if it's equally as potentially valuable now, when it's achieved absolutely nothing? the rsdlp didn't even participate in bourgeois elections either, neither did the bolsheviks, in fact almost every communist party that took power (with exceptions) did so without participating in bourgeois elections
If you interacted with the median American you’d know they don’t want socialism and if implemented they would collapse it’s healthcare system immediately
>>2798697>Even Marx himself explicitly says to participate in elections as long as you're doing so with a clear line to advance the movement.Okay so, how does voting for AOC advance the movement? She isn't a Marxist and holds no left-wing ideals.
>>2798710they'll reply with some non-statement about "forming a worker's party" that will compete in bourgeois elections, then say if you don't accept this, then you're a liberal, etc
>>2798697>Even Marx himself explicitly says to participate in elections as long as you're doing so with a clear line to advance the movementwow someone
holy crap someone here actually reads Marx. are you god
If Marx met the Average American he would advocate full nuclear death
>>2798721Except you’re taking the bernsteinite position and legitimizing amerikkkan elekkktions
>>2798710Does participating in elections mean voting? Does it? Huh?
>>2798726So you propose we campaign for AOC but not vote for her? Or what exactly do you mean?
>>2798727Im asking you mah shizzle
>>2798721yes, historical figures and writings are not infallible writings, they are "wrong" because not everything they said was the correct position at the time, or has been proven to be, also i'm arguing pretty much the opposite of bernstein here, bourgeois elections are pointless to participate in as a party, and logically you should instead build a socialist institution/communist institution that operates similarly to a party
>>2798719He would be clapping for the Americans because they have advanced the most in the capitalist mode of production
>>2798724Lenin and Marx would call you a naive fool for supporting AOC of all people. She betrayed the working class already. There is nothing to be gained from her electoral success. You can vote for Marxists if you want but AOC isn't one so even if you believe in electoralism you should at least support someone that doesn't send weapons to Israel.
>>2798728Yes I think participating in elections means voting.
>>2798736i don't want them to participate in elections though? can you read what i said, you lobotomite? i'm advocating for an organization to do the functions of what you'd call a party, a communist organization, not a party that submits candidates, but an organization that holds meetings, that does and endorses political actions, that produces writings on what said organization believes and so on, the person i am arguing against believes the exact opposite
Does participating in elections really mean voting?
Is boycotting an election count as participation in the election?
>>2798749>>2798817why are you spamming low effort shitposts instead of just saying what you mean?
>>2798823>y-you are sametrccninTake a break amerilard
>>2798823Participating in bourgeois elections reinforces the bourgeois system and legitimizes its institutions, which is automatically contrary to anyone with revolutionary pretensions. The NATO sphere is not revolutionary france, it is not Russia after the February revolution, doing this in the imperial core reinforces imperialism. If this makes me a revisionist or anti communist I don’t care, it’s the observable reality.
>>2798835ICP (the only true revolutionary communist party in the world) says it is wrong to not participate in elections
>>2798835oh, yeah I 100% agree with you on all points there.
electoralism is a trap that American leftists find out about the hard way every 4 years for the last 100 years.
>>2798836And what successes can they point to as evidence for that? The Hug Chavez administration? Evo Morales?
>>2798836imo electoralism in the developing world is more worthwhile than electoralism in the developed world. there are less barriers to implementing socialism through legislation, and less entrenched political dynasties and bourgeois interests to hijack your movement.
>>2798840literally the only reason people like evo morales or hugo chavez succeed is because the west's resources are spread thin fighting leftism all over the world and occasionally some marxists slip through the cracks. this would never ever work in America or western Europe where the bourgeois's entire economic and political forces are concentrated. Bernie 2016 and even moreso Bernie 2020 proves this: when it looked like he was possibly going to win they completely closed ranks among the bourgeois and used every avenue available to destroy his campaign and herd all his supporters into Voting Blue No Matter Who. and the only thing his supporters have to show for all that organizing is the "no refunds" emails and feel the bern shirts they immediately threw in a landfill lol.
the only kind of socialism that will ever occur in the US is one caused by some calamity like covid or hurricane katrina that cuts people off from the feds and forces them to organize locally with a horizontal, needs-based command structure to respond to the calamity. if this goes on long enough it'll just become the new de facto government and the feds will have a hard time reestablishing control afterwards. expand this on a large enough scale due to constant calamities in the US and the government will just collapse on its own due to losing legitimacy. Basically the fall of Rome.
>>2798855>imo electoralism in the developing world is more worthwhile than electoralism in the developed world. there are less barriers to implementing socialism through legislation, and less entrenched political dynasties and bourgeois interests to hijack your movement.it's as worthless as it is in the west as well! if this was true, then chile would be a cybersocialist utopia, rather than a country with the greatest number of reformists who succeed in doing NOTHING!
>>2798859well electoralism will always turn into delusional reformists asking you to voot harder so they can finally pass healthcare after 20 years of failing. that's just the nature of the beast. but at least in developing countries their political systems are still in their infancy and therefore can be changed more flexibly. The US system has been entrenched since the civil war and nothing is ever gonna change it internally.
>>2798835Lenin refutes this
>>2798865Yeah, well, he's dead.
>>2798865Lenin didn’t live to see the mutation of liberal democracy in the 20th century, you don’t know what he would say if he was alive. Running a doomed presidential campaign as propaganda might have worked in 1926 but it sure as shit doesn’t work now, we have 100 years of betrayal, gridlock, deep state terror campaigns, ossified institutions, and mostly apathetic low turnout elections anyway that the Shining Path’s approach to electoral politics is the most sensible even when the rest of their ideology and practice sucked
>>2798870Only living people can be correct about contemporary conditions, yes idiot
>>2798870well, we can't exactly ask Lenin his opinion on the 2024 election or AOC's 2028 campaign now can we?
a lot of Lenin/Marxposting just comes off as people puppeting their corpse to make whatever point they want
>>2798876Quit posting dead people, I don’t know who that is and I don’t care. Running in elections is a losing game, especially when most working people are already not voting. The masses are ahead of you.
>>2798878>I don’t know who that is and I don’t carelibtards do the work of exposing themselves and i can only thank them for it
>>2798880How is boycotting an election more liberal than participating in one and thus legitimating it?
>>2798880Just be a christian if you want to worship dead crackers
>>2798880i promise you no one who has fought in any Communist army knows who that is either. the proletariat doesn't care about dead europeans that lived before the discovery of electricity.
>>2798883the proletariat also by and large doesn't fight in "communist" armies socdemxister
>>2798886Peasants were the revolutionary subject of the 20th century
>>2798886The PLA was almost entirely composed of peasants that would be considered even poorer than the poorest homeless person in America. And they did not hide their Communism at all. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>2798889Peasants aren’t proletarians and Marx was never even translated into Chinese until long into the civil war
>>2798889the PLA at its revolutionary point existed in the first half of the 20th century. Peasants are also not the same thing as proles
Let us recall the example of Liebknecht, who denounced, flayed and spurned the German Reichstag in 1869, but went into the Reichstag after 1870. Liebknecht fully appreciated the importance of the revolutionary struggle for a revolutionary and not a treacherously bourgeois representative assembly of the people. He did not cravenly repudiate his past actions. He quite rightly said: I did all I could to fight against such a Reichstag, to fight for the best possible result. The result turned out to be the worst. I shall be able to make use even of this worst result without betraying my revolutionary traditions.
>>2798897again, the kind of rapid expansion of capital that allowed the spd to succeed in its campaign for economic benefits for workers is not a thing now
>posting random old fucks from the 18th century
>>279890118th century = 1700s-1790s
>>2798890>Marx was never even translated into Chinese until long into the civil wareven more proof that worshiping the words of dead people is irrelevant to class consciousness, is it not?
>>2798903the rate of profit's been in decline since the 19th century THOUGH
>>2798904I'm right though.
>>2798872or more that you can't implement socialism by the ballot, it has to be enforced through means outside
>>2798904no > therefore you have 4 autism score
>>2798906>worshippingnot what's happening. do people who recognize gravity "worship" newton?
>>2798907reason #9999999 the world will be plunged into total war soon
>>2798917in what year did the 18th century begin?
>>2798916no because the idea of gravity evolved beyond newton, and whenever discussions of physics are brought up, they don't quote newton 10000 times, they quote modern scientists on the subject
The voters already know their votes don’t matter, which is why they don’t fucking vote, but you want them to for a campaign that can’t succeed and even if it did would be met with capital flight and a judicial coup. You’re retarded.
>>2798920When george washington cut down that tree
>>2798921and you think there aren't modern marxist economists like anwar shaikh, paul cockshott, cheng enfu, etc.?
>>2798921this uygha thinks hes a scientist
>>2798907not since 19th century continuously tho, it goes up and down, it expanded profoundly from 1880-1920s (gilded age) then the great depression resets everything, then post war boom for america, then there's stagnation in the 70s followed by neoliberal recovery but since then yea there's been a steep steady decline since at least the 2010s. the only problem tho is that now they are running out of options for calm recovery, and that's why everyone's been resorting to crazy fucking tactics just to balance their profits
>>2798921what marx started continues to evolve, demonstrably, because marxism is a method, not a dogma, and has to be applied contextually to the material conditions of each time and place, this is baked into its foundation
Any time used on elections is money, resources, and energy thrown into the wind, it isn’t even good propaganda, you’ll get nor further than Vermin Supreme.
>>2798930And the context and material conditions of the NATO sphere mean electoral participation is a waste of time and feeds radicals back into bourgeois machinery where it’s pacified and defanged and integrated.
>>2798916I can point to actually existing gravity and explain how it works without ever bringing up Newton or telling someone to "just read Newton" but if you can't do this about Socialism without namedropping Marx than you've failed as a socialist.
Here's a challenge for you: If you met an alien from another planet would you be able to teach them class struggle without throwing a bunch of 18th century books at them? Because that's the actual challenge of getting the proletariat to develop class consciousness when most of them do not want to or don't have the capacity/time to read Marx but still can "feel" the inherent injustice in the system.
>>2798934OK but I didn't say anything to the contrary on that point, I was just arguing against your assertion that Marxists "worship" a dead man's words.
>>2798927i meant to say that in the context of books about physics
>>2798926there are marxist economists but they still operate to a dogma, hence why they call themselves marxists, rather than communist or socialist economists first and foremost
>>2798930marxism isn't a method, it's a dogma invented by people to apply a narrow method to explain every social element, marxism is a corruption of marx
>>2798935I don't need to namedrop anyone to explain class struggle, this is just a lazy strawman.
>>2798937The original argument was over electoral participation, with people quoting Marx and Lenin saying it’s good for propaganda when it’s not
>>2798938>there are marxist economists but they still operate to a dogma, hence why they call themselves marxists, rather than communist or socialist economists first and foremost>>2798938>marxism isn't a method, it's a dogma invented by people to apply a narrow method to explain every social element, marxism is a corruption of marxYou've created a stupid kafka trap. If I quote Kim Il Sung for example saying Marxism is a method and not a dogma, you will say I am "appealing to the authority" of the "Marxist dogmatists." But if I try to show you without namedropping anyone how Marxism has been applied contextually in each time and place it was adopted by the actually existing class struggle, you will just say that Marxist theory was completely irrelevant and not needed. Your assertion is untestable, it's just a rhetorical trap, and a lazy one at that. There is no "win" conditions for the other side.
>>2798940is it not? there's no newtonists advocating the newtonian system, because while newton had made great observations in physics, he was surpassed and is only the founder of modern gravity, you don't need to bring up newton every time we think about gravity, because his work is so far surpassed that is only ever cited in the historical sense, there's no communist economics that doesn't rely on a system similar to that of any nomic philosophical trend or religion, citing marx, lenin, engels, et-fuckin'-cetera, is proof of this, how often does a modern physicist cite newton? how much does the average communist cite the same 3 or more guys?
>>2798943hes a debate addict, many such cases!
>>2798919It already has. WW3 is happening in Iran and Ukraine. But it hasn't recovered the profit rate to even 60s levels. Bourgeois wars have been reduced to pathetic scuffles reminiscent of gangs fighting each other over revenue. Instead of sending millions to trenches in Western Europe, they merely sell weapons to random warlords in Africa, suicidal Ukrainian lemmings, and blow up oil shipments. This is actually a hopepill because it means capitalism is in terminal decline
>>2798936exactly. there are no more 'legislative agendas' left to discover which can make things better on a gradual reformist scale (like how there was neoliberalism as a solution that hadn't yet been tried as much in the 80s). they have no choice but to just go all out with their destruction and imperialism. something like 19th century colonialism again
>>2798941Yeah but I entered the conversation specifically to counter the notion that Marxists
in general "worship". See how conversations evolve based on the shifting goalposts of the people who try asserting things unnecessary to the original argument?
>>2798943i am saying that the idea of marxism is pointless, because it had achieved something by innovation, not by the religious-like citing, it would be like if liberals forever cited the same 10 guys from the 18th and early-mid 19th century whenever they got into an argument, citing them as if they were right, simply because they like them, and that they wrote it themselves
>>2798952>it would be like if liberals forever cited the same 10 guys from the 18th and early-mid 19th century they literally do this with Kant and Adam Smith. Go to the neoliberal subreddit. They wear those guys as flair.
>>2798929There are countertendencies, but in general from 1960 to about 2020 it has declined 0.5% on average
>>2798949exactly why i think canadians and danes shouldn't be so dismissive of americas threats towards them. an existential problem and they DGAF
>>2798835You accord the scaborous yank devil too much merit. This amerika thread, so When the revisionist yank devils assert Leninist axom "Communist participate in bourgeois election," always know the devils actually mean complete supplication to capitalist zionist imperialist fascist like zohran platner aoc bernie, not Communist Party taking over congress like Leninist actually did.
>>2798946the ideas of marx had proven value, and created and/or popularized various methods of historical analysis is this not true? well we can say that the marxists who worshipped marx the most created nothing, whereas the ones who used it as a signifier to mean communist or socialist, did create more useful systems, and didn't feel the need to quote the Marxengelslenin bible whenever they disagreed with a historical idea and sought to propose a new one
>>2798955i mean yeah they do to an extent, but nowhere as much as the median marxist
>>2798952Surplus value is real, exploitation is real, the tendency of the rate of profit to fall is real, the class struggle is real, labor militancy is real. If Marx had never lived the laws of motion of capital would have been discovered by others. "Marxism" is just a word of historical coincidence. It is not meant to implied that Marx should be worshiped or that if Marx had not existed the science of class struggle would have been lost… But it's OK. The real movement will continue to exist whether you insist it is dogmatic or not.
>>2798963> labor militancy is realHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>2798969Yep, it is. Read more.
>>2798963all of them are real yes, they exist independently of marxism as a concept, as something that is most similar dogmatism, in fact i'm arguing precisely that we should be communists who take what marx started, and actually turn it into a tool with which to beat the world with, rather than a verse citing religion, like it mostly is now
>>2798960I mean, is it really that bad if you just use elections as a stepping stone to just kind of advertise or at least put your message out there?? everyone here adheres to revolutionary ideals in one way or another. of course communism can never be established through bourgeois elections and must undertake a violent revolution, but in a country where everyone thinks all there is to politics is their electoral system, why shouldnt people at least enter that sphere to let people know that they're there and that other beliefs exist than just liberal gay fascist imperialism vs Christian conservative fascist imperialism? we should never expect success from it, but it can be a useful tool (as merely a means to an end)
>>2798971not in the first world hell no. people here r scared to even ask for raises, let alone go on collective strikes. you think people are gonna arm themselves?
>>2798971Capitalism has pacified the proletariat entirely
>>2798962so what's the difference, in your opinion between someone who quotes Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc. in instances where they are still correct correct and someone who is merely quoting them "dogmatically"? Even Stalin said in 1927 "Engels was right about so and so in 1840s but now material conditions have changed and he is no longer correct." Even the most "authoritarian" and "dogmatic" of "marxists" when you actually stop and read what they are saying always stress context sensitivity, materialism, and a scientific outlook as being central to their understanding. The only reason there is any daylight between Communism and the literal scientific method is because the institutional science under class society has to pretend to neutrality while having serious conflicts of interests by receiving its grants and funding from the ruling class and bourgeois governments.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1926/11/01.htm
<In [Lenin's] investigations he followed the precept repeatedly uttered by Marx that Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action. Lenin knew this and, drawing a strict distinction between the letter and the essence of Marxism, he never regarded Marxism as a dogma but endeavoured to apply Marxism, as a fundamental method, in the new circumstances of capitalist development. […]
< Was what is said here, in this quotation, correct in the conditions of pre-monopoly capitalism, in the period when Engels wrote it? Yes, it was correct.[…]
< Is this opinion correct now, in the new conditions, the conditions of monopoly capitalism and proletarian revolution? No, it is no longer correct. … So how is it "dogmatic" or "dead man worship" when there is so much context sensitivity and reassessment of material conditions?
>>2798973ok so you're just mad people call communism marxism sometimes? it's just tiresome language policing?
>>2798977St*lin was anything but dogmatic. However, your general point is correct. Many will accuse Marxists and Socialists of being dogmatic without bringing an accurate alternative with them
>>2798974>in a country where everyone thinks all there is to politics is their electoral system, why shouldnt people at least enter that sphere to let people know that they're therebecause we should be organizing 24/7 and not just during election season. if you need to rely on elections to get your name out there then you've already failed. if people only pay attention to you during elections then you've already failed. we have 2-4 years of basically uncontested "campaigning" for the stuff we believe in outside of election season meanwhile our opposition is spending that time making life worse for everyone in the country. we should be yelling from the rooftops to kill the epstein class now and liberate humanity from their evil, not in 4 years.
>>2798976not capitalism itself. the inhumanity of capitalism itself has enraged the proletariat. there were more powerful labor movements in the early and middle industrial age than peasant movements in all feudal history. it has been the violent reactions from the bourgeoisie that have scared the proles into submission
>>2798977the difference is that you shouldn't need to incessantlly quote the same 10 guys over and over again for it to work, should we keep quoting them because they were "right", rather than quoting things that are truly relevant to now? i say we should
>>2798979the two are different concepts, as hard as you want it to be
>>2798973if tomorrow every single communist called themselves "communist" only and never quoted Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Stalin again, and only used the most scientific ideas from the history of labor struggle, never built a statue or carried a portrait, never participated in any cult of personality… it would not matter one iota. The ruling classes would continue to slander Communists as dogmatists, dead man worshipers, etc. While still parading around their presidents, preachers, constitutional monarchs, philosophers, etc. People who work at places with names like the "Ludwig Von Mises Institute" have zero sense of hypocrisy on this matter.
>>2798980I was giving an an example by anon's own logic. it's called immanent critique
>>2798984it would not matter what they think, but what would be produced as a result of this lower dogmatism
>>2798921>no because the idea of gravity evolved beyond newton, and whenever discussions of physics are brought up, they don't quote newton 10000 times, they quote modern scientists on the subjecton the contrary, newton is quoted all the time, we use "newtonian" to refer to models of physics which are less "true to real life" than others but which continue to be useful in certain contexts. Thomas S Khun has a good exposition on why this is in his
Structure of Scientific Revolutions >>2798981of course I didnt mean focus solely or mainly on elections, but rather use it as an extra tool in addition to community organizing and and our own media campaigns or whatever it is Marx and Lenin would have wanted us to do
>>2798987ok well you have made your point. by your logic it is time to go out in real life and actually practice what you preach until there is a "real (no for real this time) movement" that counters the fake real movement of evil dogmatist marxism which has done nothing in your estimation but slander real communism (the ideas in your head)
>>2798988i don't mean they mention newton by name, they don't quote works by newton as necessary to understand the concept of gravity
>>2798991personally I just don't think elections, especially national elections, are useful for marxist messaging to begin with. it's just begging the media to go full "campaign mode" on you and start trying to manufacture scandals to destroy your momentum.
I really believe the best thing we can do is just not get involved in elections and organize outside of the spectacle of electoralism. Once we hit critical mass it'll be impossible to ignore anyway, winning an election won't make a difference tbh.
Of course if someone wants to campaign as a longshot socialist candidate for city council or something just to improve their local community then go for it imo.
>>2798993>they don't quote works by newton as necessary to understand the concept of gravityyou do realize that maybe that class society itself is the reason your average economics textbooks ignores surplus value entirely and Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc. continue to be quoted on that matter? Even Adam Smith has a better exposition on surplus value than your average contemporary economics textbook. Newton's gravity was never offensive to the ruling class, so of course you don't need to quote Newton to explain gravity because class society has baked gravity into education because it is not threatened by gravity the way it is threatened by surplus value.
>>2798997Anon I don't know if you know this but Marx is required reading in polisci intro courses across the country. His teachings are not being hidden from the public people just don't want to read. you have to be able to explain things with your own words using modern language and modern examples and not rely on Marx to do all the heavy lifting for you.
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>>2799001>>2799000It's less work to bring up a quote than explain it in your own words. I do agree that a lot of Marxists don't think for themselves much though
>>2798993They do though. I don't know about your HS education but Newton was quoted in my textbook
>>2799000>poliscias opposed to economics, which is much more foundational and common of a major.
>Marx is required readingin poisci you will at best get a (liberal slanted) political reading of marx, and not get much economic content at all
> His teachings are not being hidden from the public people just don't want to readok?
>you have to be able to explain things with your own words using modern language and modern examples and not rely on Marx to do all the heavy lifting for you.I literally do this all the time, it's not that hard. And when I do it I get called a Marxist dogmatist by people like you because people like you accuse anyone who says the working class is being exploited of being a Marxist dogmatist, whether they actually are or not. That's why there's no winning this argument.
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Platnerchads, we can't stop winning.
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