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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XKMwWZVpPEPrevious Thread:
>>2791520 Accelerate
Reminder that posting is not praxis
>>2793537for the 10,000th time, the "ballroom" is a military installation
>>2793654your reminders aren't praxis either, neither is this
>>2793656Sure, but it'd be nice to see less inflated egos shitflinging on here for once.
>>2793655so they want to turn the white house into an actual compound? this admin must be more paranoid than we could even imagine.
>>2793658Duke Nukem is praxis
>>2793659this was probably planned before trump. the IDF built a similar underground data center/bunker in jerusalem in 2023
fuhrer bunker status?
>>2793677Gooseworx is speedrunning her Hideaki Anno arc and I am mildly excited to see how the finale mentally breaks her terrible fanbase
>>2793675the burger reich has fallen
now billions must die
in burger punk bunker
we'll hunker and fry
the nukes above us thunder
most pious fourth july
we'll burn before we're plundered
let mushroom clouds stack high
the global proletariat
at last has overthrown us
but swing low sweet chariot
we'll never let them "own" us
the burger reich has failed its plan
but we can flip the table
if we can't have it no one can
a fitting end to the fable
>>2793697i asked your opinion about my creation, not about me
thanks
>>2793698why are you disrupting our discussion of the administration building a dr. strangelove burerpunk fuhrerbunker compound under the white house to seek attention?
>U.S. government is accepting donations to pay off its $39 trillion debt via PayPal and Venmo.
>>2793689>gifFilthy Frank really let himself go.
Kuck Patel lmao
This is an interimperialist war
>>2793744Wait fuck wrong thread
it seems that us news outlets are rather reluctant to report on the cole thomas allen manifesto in any detail, particularly the part that alludes to trump's sex crimes. cbs is a notable exception, norah o'donnell mentioned it to trump point blank on 60 minutes, i guess they no longer feel any need to hold back since the big paramount-skydance merger already went through.
>>2793781lenins position btw
>>2793783lenins position was "political violence is unacceptable in all forms"??
>>2793784it's ragebait, ignore it. next he'll say "fuck marx, he was a drunk" or "the proletariat has never existed" or any of the other shit he spams in every single thread with impunity
>>2793784any action not taken in lockstep with the masses is disconnected from the consciousness of the labor movement. It is petty work, a display of pure spectacle that dazzles and distracts from big work. Read Lenin
>>2793788goalpost shifter, that's not what bernie sanders is saying at all
>>2793788ok. so it wasn't "political violence is unacceptable in all forms" which is bernie sanders position which you said was lenins position
>>2793788>in lockstep with the masseslenin's position was not to be "in lockstep with the masses" but to avoid the twin errors of commandism (presuming to tell the masses what to do) and tailism (following the masses, even when they are being reactionary or making a mistake). marxist-leninist vanguards consult the masses, work with the masses on behalf of the masses, but also attempt to get the masses to correct themselves when they make serious theoretical and practical mistakes.
>>2793788"the masses" are not the revolutionary subject, communism is not for populism, you are a libtard
>>2793795Exactly, he ruthlessly exposed the 'Peoples Will' style political terrorism as a mistake the SRs were making throwing away the potential careers of revolutionaries, who are 100x more valuable than their targets, by chucking a few bombs. Adventurism is a fools game
>>2793797Lenin mentions 'the masses' like every other sentence. Way to out yourself as a booklet
>>2793798ok but did he think "political violence is unacceptable in all forms"?
>>2793800what happened to fanny kaplan
>>2793805itss all a disctraction from tha files epstein false flag
>>2793804answer the question coward
>>2793650The 20th Century only successful assassinations came from:
>Leon Czolgosz<Anarchist >Lee Harvey Oswald<CommunistWhat can we conclude from this
>>2793781you can't expect bernie to not talk that way. out of all things, this is one stupid-less thing he has said.
he needs to save face, and put himself out of focus.
right now trump is capable of arresting even congresspeople.
but it's not also a genius plan where he feigns concern for trump's safety and behind doors he's machining a well-thought plan to oeverthrow trump.
that'd be foreign leaders that really could despise trump.
Is the pic of Cole Allen wearing an IDF shirt AI or not?
>>2793836>right now trump is capable of arresting even congresspeopleNo he's not.
You seriously underestimate how unpopular he is right now.
The people aren't rallying around him, most people are either indifferent, think it was staged, or disappointed that the assassin failed.
That being said obviously a sitting senator is not gonna be like
>ah damn wish Trump got kirked there fr fr, better luck next time >>2793907>No he's not.now, now, let's not pretend that 2 years ago Americans woulda laughed to the idea of this happening.
>>2793900not in the messianic culture known as the US.
>>2793915wouldn't laughed* at*
>>2793915Anon… you said "right now". As if implying that because of the assassination attempt Trump is more empowered to go after his political enemies. That's not the case. He has the same amount of power he had before. He doesn't have the political mandate to arrest congresspeople. No one is rallying around him right now.
>>2793930Link to reading?
The shooter was a NATO-Liberal and not a leftist, but do you think Democrats are gonna support him and think his actions were justified like Luigi? Or is he gonna be thrown aside because they think it was a false flag?
>>2793864It's real and social media sites keep trying to scrub it.
Seems they tried to erase his past before using him for the latest fake assassination attempt but they're just too damn incompetent.
>>2793940I almost thought it might be AI to make young people not like him.
Conspiracy heads, explain this?
Random twitter account made a post 3 years ago saying only the assassin/actor's name.
It's the only post the account ever made.
Proof:
https://xcancel.com/HenryMa79561893/status/1738018409441308955Does it mean anything?
>>2793928>is more empowered to go after his political enemies>That's not the caseif only hitler had heard you when he lost the election and staged a mass rally in front of hindenburg’s office after losing the presidential election, in an effort to force Hindenburg to appoint him chancellor.
point being, popularity isn't a guardrail for people like him or authoritarian autocrats.
>Over 20,000 U.S. citizens serve in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF).
Two Congressmen, Guy Reschenthaler (R-PA) and Max Miller (R-OH), are sponsoring a bill to extend U.S. government benefits to IDF members, benefits now reserved only for U.S. veterans.
are you prepared to give free healthcare in your hospitals and clinics to idf members?
>>2793943holy shit if this is real it proves the existence of time travel definitively without a doubt
>>2793943Colen Allen is also a musician, btw.
also, Henry and Martinez are two very common names. you have
>>2793943Cole Allen sounds pretty common to me
>>2793954If it is real I think it's just someone in the FBI trolling.
Someone high enough to have access to a list of fictional persons and IDs the government can make use of as identities for false flag actors.
Seems much more plausible than time travel.
>>2793944Apples and oranges.
And Hitler didn't cement his power until the Reichstag fire.
If there's another big terrorist attack (or false flag) in the US then the equation will change.
>>2793958I2P will be the future home of anti-liberal resistance. Leftists should get acquainted with it and start teaching as many young people as possible to use it
if you rearrange the letters in cole allen it spells false flag distraction from the epstein files
>>2793940if it were AI they would have made it so his hand doesn't cover the logo. But they did the extra work of showing that the logo his hand covers is the IDF logo. Someone using AI to fake this wouldn't have thought to deliberately make the logo obscured in the pic
>>2793921imagine the ladybugs
>>2793966>it spells false flag distraction from the epstein filescounterpoint:
distraction from the trump phone never to be delivered.
>>2793964I am pretty sure the analogy stands. point still stand:
>popularity isn't a guardrail for people like him or authoritarian autocrats. >>2793930Stephen L. Jackson-Freeman
>>2793930Samuel L Jackson?
>>2793988I think the worse thing about getting capped by the cops is that the person shooting you could be hyper cringe like this.
>>2794011It's Stephen from Django Unchained. The point is that CPUSAnon was simping for his boss like a good house slave, talking about how the notoriously strict union busters were actually one of the best places to work in the country.
yeah the mossad is surely going to send in the guy who has IDF social media selfies for their covert psyops
>>2793958Death to zionism, israel, and all israeli's.
>>2794054I know it's been said many times by many people before but I genuinely think he's on his last legs politically.
>>2793958Trump is a pedophile who rapes children and Israel is committing genocide. Im saying this before I can't.
>>2793797The proletariat is a revolutionary class, this is true, but the proletariat alone cannot force a socialist revolution. It has to enter an alliance with (subordinate) the peasantry and petty-bourgeoisie – both of these classes flock to the proletariat during a crisis, because the crisis would ruin them, and they know that only a socialist revolution can save them at that point (see the Address to the Internationale about the Commune from Marx or Plekahnov's On the coming famine and how to avoid it. This is what is meant with the 'masses'. The masses are a combination of all classes subordinated to (following) a proletarian political program. In Lenin's time, masses = poor peasantry + industrial proletariat. In our time, masses are service sector + industrial sector proletariat + (sadly, a lot of the) petty-bourgeoisie, which is about to be ruined.
>>2794074Why would they care about tying to hide it anymore in the current society? There's nothing we can do about it and if you mention it you get called a schizo anyway. They're incompetent but also they really like to rub our noses in it.
>>2794088im glad someone here can actually read
>>2794088>The proletariat is a revolutionary class, this is true, but the proletariat alone cannot force a socialist revolution>It has to enter an alliance with (subordinate) the peasantry and petty-bourgeoisieNo, and no it does not petite bourgeoisie lover. They are optional at best. I don’t know where you got the sick idea that either are mandatory, but I suggest you keep your sick perversions of theory to yourself.
>>2794202This is actually the case of not reading to your surprise.
>>2794214>nuh uh! you're wrong! pervert!most sophisticated leftypol analysis
>>2793963allgedly The user's ID number pointed to a document which was a JPL research project where the shooter and this Martinez worked. also his background picture was an art work called 'Time Travel'.
obviously time travel isn't real, but i think its someone trolling / doing psy-ops at the state level to turn people schizophrenic so they cant distinguish between reality
>>2794216The sophisticated analysis is that you are a petite bourgeoisie lover who pulled all of that out of their asshole. I don’t have to prove the absence of something unless I am arguing for its existence. And i’m not.
>>2794242They’re easy to aggro
>>2794272Anyone who sincerely subscribes to this is a bigger fascist than any they are supposedly confronting with their soup kitchens and art projects
>>2794272The real way is seething on leftypol.org about cpusa anon and the dsa and what ever else while pretending to be the next lenin
Atleast soup lib is feeding people
>>2794283Feeding the privileged members of the Golden Billion you mean
>>2794286You fail to accomplish even that.
>>2794274It's good to build a community.
What if we created a imageboard for israelis and then datamined them
>>2794298
Dengism
So Amerifarts, what is the plan? Are you just sitting on your ass not doing shit besides eating McDonald’s again?
>>2794301>sitting on your ass all day and eatingBordigism
you bourgesisie coal miner third worlders wouldn't ever understand bordgist praxis
>>2794301Just you wait! On Friday we’re going to ask our bosses to give us the day off so we can participate in the #NoKings “General Strike” where we dance the fascism away in our frog costumes before returning to work on Monday! That IS what a general strike is no? CPUSAnon assured us this was the highest form of praxis possible among the golden billion
>>2794272anti-social socialists are in reality Libtards in disguise, specifically Libtards infected with BE thought
>>2794313When the aim of these “social activities” is building a likeminded community of the herrenvolk with the goal of a more equitable distribution of loot from the imperial periphery then yes, you are quite literally replicating Nazi German society. Treats for the golden billion! Slavery and death for the untermensch! What a socialism indeed…
>>2794315> infected with BE thoughtidk what that means. is it some terminally online acronym for something nobody IRL cares bout?
>>2794318>more equitable distribution of the lootok but people need their basic needs met if they want live long enough to take up arms against their own imperialist society
>>2794313it's imageboard syndrome
>>2794323get ready for another round of moralism and kafka traps you filthy fascist
A Kafka trap is a manipulative tactic where any response to an accusation is used as evidence against you, creating a no-win situation. >>2794326
No it doesn't.
>>2794318>herrenvolk Factory Status? Cum tribute status?
>>2794326
>the only praxis you can do is admit you are a fascist and die
yep, it's a kafka trap
>>2794330
>nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in doo doo, i'm rubber, you're glue, boo hoo hoo
wow this place has taken a nosedive
>>2794330
sorry misanthrope but america will overcome its fascist government and rebuild the world.
>>2794323No you should be working to overthrow and destroy imperialism, but you won’t and instead take part in faggy “community building” one because you’re mentally children and two because you know you benefit materially from the rape and exploitation of the periphery
>>2794332
grow up
>>2794330
>nuh uh
solid rebuttal as always
>>2794339
>Growing up means realizing Marx was wrong,
said every neocon ever
>>2794322There’s no way of sugarcoating this but if you’re an American and honestly struggling to make ends meet or are somehow homeless despite everything your state does to prop up its herrenvolk then you might genuinely be too retarded to live
>>2794339
nihilism and demoralization. you spam every thread like this every day. i say this not for your benefit, but for the people listening, if there are any people left here who aren't LLMs or trolls
>>2794337
crazy how the more the american empire decays the more openly it declares socialists will kill all americans
>>2794335>you’re mentally children and two because you know you benefit materially from the rape and exploitation of the peripherywouldn't mental children NOT know that?
>>2794340
>You know an insurgency can’t happen if no one even knows their neighbors
he's just guilt tripping, kafka trapping, and moralizing. he thinks he's struggle sessioning but he's doing something much lamer, ironically because he has no community backing him, because he's alienated, and nihilistic.
>>2794346>crazy how the more the american empire decays the more openly it declares socialists will kill all americansnooooooooo these totally aren't feds and demoralizers, trust me dude, it's uhh uhh uhh, the real proles (TM) telling you what you deserve.
>>2794351
>They’re correct, you can’t rape the entire world for 400 years and not expect death in return
TIL i'm 400 years old and inherit guilt from the ruling class and my ancestors. I guess the guilt trickles down even though the wealth doesn't!
>>2794349
>It’s the truth and you just can’t emotionally handle it because you’re still clinging onto Marx as a Christian does with the bible, proles are not and never have been a revolutionary class, every supposed proletarian revolution was a peasant and bourgeois revolution.
idk, it seems the people on your side ITT have a more "biblical" worldview
>>2794352
>people become comfortable when given concessions
<therefore they must never be given anything at all
smuggling in misery
>>2794340
Except you’re not building an insurgency but a book club
>>2794359This is TRUE internationalism 🤝
>>2794366
Does that include you? Are you a war criminal?
>>2794367
give me the pro-iran lil ugly mane AI white boy rap
we're talking about some fagola who isn't even honest about going to a town council to yell at DSA peoplewhy should i take anything this idiot says seriously
ANARCHIST-BORDIGA ARMCHAIR ALLIANCE ANNOUNCE US GENERAL STRIKE AND GENERAL MOBILIZATION OF ACTIVISTS
1994 Barry Goldwater:
>Republicans are selling their soul to win elections. Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. The government won't work without it. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.
Both parties getting more extreme is laying the groundwork for foreign wars and eventually a civil war
>>2794352
Anon, that is not a novel observation, trade union betrayal of communist movement has been a big issue in marxist theory since end of WW2 (and discussed even before that, I vaguely remember some Lenin text touching upon the topic).
>>2794363
It is more complicated than that, people who have nothing are by their circumstances forced to prioritize short term gains, they are not the most revolutionary subjects.
Also people seem to forget that Marx deals in terms of relative deprivation, i.e. deprived relatively to expected standard of given society.
>>2794375
he needs to get back on the opiates tbh
>>2794372
you need to stop being silly
we the people must unite against our rulers instead of imagining ourselves in the positions of the ruling class
>>2794378
>nostradamus thinks his crystal ball tells the future
Russia had a civil war with all the soldiers on the front lines fighting germany so not really
>>2794380
lol okay fag
>>2794380
marxists: class is defined by ownership of the means of production
maoists: class is defined by how many treats you can consume
>>2794386
engloids export more financial services than america does
>>2794393
>im engloid i have no agency or ambition im merely a tool im NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ETHNICALLY CLEANSING CHAGOS REEEEE
>>2794394Only capital has any agency, it will cause human extinction and in the end this will be progressive
>>2794389What part of “nothing to lose but their chains” don’t you get? Every American has way more to lose than their chains, including the homeless with their drugs
>>2794401by this metric nobody is prole
I hope the shooter being an IDF pedo makes amerikkkans even more hostile towards israel
>>2794415
Funny posts
>>2794411
>>2794409
if marx is wrong then why should i care about slogans of "nothing to lose" and judge on that? what's the analyzed metric/
Ignore demoralizers
Report demoralizers
Roundhouse kick demoralizers
Behead demoralizers
Friday begins the general strike, I hope my fellow Americans browsing this thread are going to participate
>>2794419
But why? if marx is totally completely fundamentally comprehensively wrong on the most basica levels of his analysis then why should I even accept the premise of a "revolutionary subject"?
>>2794388Not really, the fundamental mechanisms he uncovered are very much present. As capitalism progresses the ability to provide sufficient standard of living to placate working class diminishes.
>>2794418It needs to be pointed out "nothing to lose but your chains" is a phrase from a quickly slapped together pamphlet written in 1840s.
>>2794374Pretty insane Barry Goldwater was the one saying this because he was the Arch-duke of extreme conservatism. Guess he was worried the god shit would take precedent over the racism. We'll Barry im happy to report you got both
>>2794427
>you can’t have a revolution or a civil war if you don’t even know your neighbors
Why not? I am not an expert on the topic, but those are organized on the level of political organisations, not homeowners associations.
normies are my god
>>2794435
The problem with american politics is institutional, not individual. There clearly is energy and desire for change among the masses (doesnt have to be majority, just big enough minority), but there is no organisation that could direct it.
Also I think you are overrestimating how alienated individuals are, they might not know their literal neighbours, but they do know other people living in their area.
there's plenty of 'community' in america but 90% of it is centered around raising kids and going to church
>>2794411
Why wouldn't they?
If you look at history, it isn't the most oppressed and immiserated that generally start revolutions. It's people dissatisfied with the system who have the material and organizational wherewithal to take arms against that system.
It wasn't Rome's innumerable slaves that overthrew the Empire, it was the free Germanic tribes. It wasn't the poorest ranks of the French peasantry that started the French Revolution, but rather its bourgeoisie and even many members of its nobility and clergy.
Even Marx commented on this.
>The first blow dealt to the French monarchy proceeded from the nobility, not from the peasants. The Indian revolt does not commence with the Ryots, tortured, dishonored and stripped naked by the British, but with the Sepoys, clad, fed, petted, fatted and pampered by them.
>>2794447What about haiti doe
>>2794456>projected levels 74 years in the future>on a multivariate thing with exponential growth patternsfunny joke
>>2794458well, regardless, america is getting more religious as it shrinks, israel is having the same problem with its exploding ultraorthadox population
>>2793650not really responding to anyone but at a local anarchist bonfire I was accused of "fedjacketing" for stating that I thought the latest asssssassssssination attempt was staged by cia
it was so clearly fake and gay
why are anarchists like that
>>2794462rare anarchist w
>>2794462>AnarchistLol. Lmao.
>>2794467
Raising the cancer rate of the entire world just to kill a few proles? Shame third-worldist, shame.
>>2794478
being a fat amerimutt
>>2794472Why is the trump admin always doing shit backwards? Starting an unpopular war before doing the false flag, doing tariffs before industrial policy, and now attempting to purge your fake opposition party before any actual radical elements.
>>2794480They got complacent when they pulled the Venezuela op off without a hitch and they're still riding high on that victory. A bunch of stupid people who think they're really smart
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/22/opinion/gen-z-job-ladder.htmlFor some reason archive.ph isn’t working for me, can someone archive this website.
>>2794480Banality of evil etc
Was it fake in the end?
>>2794214>No, and no it does not petite bourgeoisie lover. They are optional at best. I don’t know where you got the sick idea that either are mandatory, but I suggest you keep your sick perversions of theory to yourself.<And yet, this was the first revolution in which the working class was openly acknowledged as the only class capable of social initiative, even by the great bulk of the Paris middle class – shopkeepers, tradesmen, merchants – the wealthy capitalist alone excepted. The Commune had saved them by a sagacious settlement of that ever recurring cause of dispute among the middle class themselves – the debtor and creditor accounts.[D] The same portion of the middle class, after they had assisted in putting down the working men’s insurrection of June 1848, had been at once unceremoniously sacrificed to their creditors[E] by the then Constituent Assembly. But this was not their only motive for now rallying around the working class. They felt there was but one alternative – the Commune, or the empire – under whatever name it might reappear. The empire had ruined them economically by the havoc it made of public wealth, by the wholesale financial swindling it fostered, by the props it lent to the artificially accelerated centralization of capital, and the concomitant expropriation of their own ranks. It had suppressed them politically, it had shocked them morally by its orgies, it had insulted their Voltairianism by handing over the education of their children to the fréres Ignorantins,[F] it had revolted their national feeling as Frenchmen by precipitating them headlong into a war which left only one equivalent for the ruins it made – the disappearance of the empire. In fact, after the exodus from Paris of the high Bonapartist and capitalist bohème, the true middle class Party of Order came out in the shape of the “Union Republicaine,”[G] enrolling themselves under the colors of the Commune and defending it against the wilful misconstructions of Thiers. Whether the gratitude of this great body of the middle class will stand the present severe trial, time must show. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/ch05.htm >>2793655Once Kamala gets elected she'll take a wrecking ball to it
>>2794283Nothing wrong with doing charity and forging relationships in your community but at this point you're better off just joining your local soup kitchen or church rather than LARPing as anti-fascist partisan.
>>2794480They are legitimately just stupid.
It's the party of evangelical Christianity, old money nepotism, tabloids, and pro wrestling.
>>2794493Bro’s late and couldn’t even quote right. Not a single sentence from your quotes contains confirmation that the petite bourgeoisie and their cooperation are necessary for revolution, petite bourgeoisie lover. Never underestimate the capabilities of revolutionary class again, enjoyer of the middle class.
>>2794496By the time a Democrat has the chance to sit in the oval office, this country will already be collapsing.
>>2794513there's no lack of immiserated people you can subordinate your revolutionary activity for, if you stop thinking in terms of bourgeois nation states
Your job shpuld be to assist the currently immiserated in their struggle against western imperialism.
This just struggle is also the very process by which the western worker will become immiserated as the global south takes back their surplus
Rember, the western bourgeoisie hand over concessions by taking the value from the third world
>>2794513revolution doesn't happen when people are "truly miserable" there are plenty of people literally living at or below bare subsistence.
Revolution happens when the material conditions are right
>>2794525We will soon be able to eliminate the need for the unskilled labor of the global south through AI and Tesla bots
>>2794525>Rember, the western bourgeoisie hand over concessions by taking the value from the third worldthis is kind of silly, but I remember a troll account back in the day called "socrates polls" and he would always make two polls, back to back, one with an abstract question, and one with the same question put more concretely, and it turns out people would always answer them differently, i.e.
>if person A steals from person B and gives it to person C, should person C give it back?<everyone answers yes
>does the global north owe reparations to the global south<everyone answers nolol
>>2794528well part of the material conditions is immiseration, no? if workers feel like they have something to lose, they won't risk their lives for revolution, no?
>>2794534are you an ESL?
And no that isn't found anyone in Marxism
>>2794537no i'm not ESL. I don't see how that question is relevant.
>And no that isn't found anyone in Marxismdid you mean to say anywhere? I thought engels said in principles of communism:
<The proletariat is that class in society which lives entirely from the sale of its labor and does not draw profit from any kind of capital; whose weal and woe, whose life and death, whose sole existence depends on the demand for labor – hence, on the changing state of business, on the vagaries of unbridled competition.This seems to at least imply that immiseration is a key condition. Now I have heard some people on here handwave these documents away and say "Marx and Engels are liberals before 1857" but I'm not sure I agree with that.
>>2794538It's pretty obvious that they knew about it ahead of time and let it happen.
>>2794538the govt. has no reason to frame communists and anarchists in america because they're like 5% of the population tops. they're much more interested targeting boring libs because those people, for all their problems, are actually going outside… the "real movement" in America is still in its Narodnik period, and so everyone is still foolish libs and/or schizo adventurists.
>>2794513>The idea is that revolution is necessary because reforms always get rolled back, but nobody will do revolution unless they are truly miserable. i.e. miserable in the sense of literally living at or below bare subsistence.Except that doesn't play out historically. Revolutions by the lowest and most impoverished castes of society are fairly rare in comparison to revolutions undertaken by the relatively privileged.
In general, this whole theory seems to be based less on any kind of sober analysis of history and revolution, and based more on moralism. It's based on who people think have the greatest
moral purchase to do revolution rather than who is the most prepared and able to do it.
>>2794543><The proletariat is that class in society which lives entirely from the sale of its labor and does not draw profit from any kind of capital; whose weal and woe, whose life and death, whose sole existence depends on the demand for labor – hence, on the changing state of business, on the vagaries of unbridled competition.>This seems to at least imply that immiseration is a key condition. Now I have heard some people on here handwave these documents away and say "Marx and Engels are liberals before 1857" but I'm not sure I agree with that.He's described the state of the proletariat at the time but he's not saying that people need to be "The wretched of the Earth" for them to do revolution, in fact we don't even see that playing out in revolutions, its never been the poorest countries to have a revolution but the middle countries
>>2794549>Except that doesn't play out historically. Revolutions by the lowest and most impoverished castes of society are fairly rare in comparison to revolutions undertaken by the relatively privileged.well many in the thread seem to suggest the precise opposite, citing China and Russia specifically where people were not only miserable, but less developed, and still mostly peasants.
>>2794550>its never been the poorest countries to have a revolution but the middle countriesSo 2nd worldism is the real truth?
>>2794552thats the historical pattern
>>2794554I feel so vindicated hearing someone else say it because I've been saying that for years on here, but it seems everyone is either an imperial core chauvinist or a third worldist.
>>2794552Korea, Poland, India, Ukraine, Turkey. all weak points
>>2794534People tend to join up with a revolt when they think that they can somehow win, or at least avoid catastrophe. People will support revolutionaries when they think that they can either be small enough parts to avoid serious loss if the revolt fails, or if the revolutionaries have significant chunks of military on their side.
>>2794551Even there the revolts were led by relatively privileged cadres, the important element is connecting these elements to the masses. What differentiates this from bourgeois revolutions is the importance of these cadres driving the working class to fulfiling its own needs rather than being tools of a new elite
>>2794480>and now attempting to purge your fake opposition party before any actual radical elements.Trump, I think, is truly representative of both the Republican base and American Id. I think this is important to keep in mind when analyzing what him and his admin are doing: there isn't much of a division between propaganda and their
actual beliefs. To some extent its a more advanced form of self-delusion than when Hitler demanded a photographer secretly take pictures of Stalin's ears to make sure he wasn't a "crypto Jew" or whatever. So with that in mind, its important to recognize that Republicans are bizarrely terrified of Democrats. While we see them as cowards, opportunists, and spineless, Republicans see them as the fucking Illuminati and believe them to be deeply ideologically motivated. Republicans have run on "dey terk er jeeeeerrrbs!" as a way of getting elected, but the Trump admin genuinely believes the immigrants took all the good jobs. Republicans have claimed that the Democrats are totalitarian tyrants to get elected, but the Trump admin may genuinely believe that. You had Trump try to kill the filibuster for his ridiculous SAVE act with him and Vance claiming the Democrats would do it whenever so why shouldn't they? And I think Trump at least genuinely believes that.
So to Trump, the Dems aren't a "fake opposition party", they're an insidious third column that's radical and insane and dangerous (minus the token "good" Democrats to him like Fetterman). He doesn't see any division between Chuck Schumer and militant radicals because he's convinced Schumer IS a militant radical. I mean for fuck's sake I had Republican friends who claimed that if California actually seceding (a longshot by itself) then the Democrats would instantly try to force Republicans into death camps.
To the GOP: Communists or Socialists or vague "radicals" are getting their marching orders from CNN and the DNC. They think if they raid Nancy Pelosi's house they'll find some email saying "TELL ANTIFA OPERATIVES ITS TIME TO SHOOT TRUMP!" I don't think there's a scenario in where Trump will purge the "radical" opposition before purging the Dems. I think he's convinced the Dems ARE the radical opposition.
>>2794550>its never been the poorest countries to have a revolution but the middle countriesenglish revolution? french revolution? american revolution? july revolution? revolutions of 1848? Tsarist Russia wasn't a middle country either, they were bottom totem pole imperialists
>>2794560Korea, Poland and Ukraine are way too reactionary
And all the young men in Ukraine are dead anyway
>>2794565>english revolution? french revolution? american revolution? july revolution? revolutions of 1848?we are speaking specifically in the context of a Marxist revolution not every possible thing that has been called a "revolution" throughout history.
>Tsarist Russia wasn't a middle country either, they were bottom totem pole imperialists>imperialistshey retard if they were at the bottom of the totem pole of the imperialists then by necessity there are people below them that they are imperializing.
Making them the middle
>>2794559You're not the only one that had the idea that the weakest chains are semi-peripheral capitalist economies but it's very difficult to argue this position since the so called second world speaks none of the mainstream languages and getting good info is hard.
>>2794513Revolutions happen when unavoidably people get mad enough to start riots and a vanguard party takes over and turns it into a revolution.
In Chile 2019 there were lots of riots and the only reason it didnt escale to a revolution is that our streets at the time were taken over by anarchists and everyone was mindraped by status quo liberal brainworms, so no vanguard showed up and shit ended up a big nothing. But most revolutions start exactly the way Chile 2019 started, the deciding factor is whether you have a vanguard or not.
>>2794569so by your logic Israel and Modern France are 'middle countries'
>>2794574Not just any kind of vanguard but a vanguard that has organic connections to mass/worker's organization and can mobilize them, a political program uniting the mass of the workers and other classes and a red army in some capacity to defend the revolution.
>>2794564republicans in death camps is my dream come true
>>2794480>Why is the trump admin always doing shit backwards? Starting an unpopular war before doing the false flag, doing tariffs before industrial policy, and now attempting to purge your fake opposition party before any actual radical elements.because they are using chat gpt to make their plans. look at the DOGE zoomers and what a clownshow that was. "big balls" etc.
>>2794565The American revolution wasn't really a revolution, it was an interimperialist war between the national bourgeoisie of the colonies and the aristocratic bourgeoisie of merry old england
>>2794575no idea how you arrived at such a retarded conclusion
>>2794580Imperialism in the leninist sense makes sense only after the massive move to trusts and other monopoly organizations of capital. So sometime in the late XIX century till today.
>>2794580it was a bourgeois revolution like the rest of them were. a lot of the justification for the revolution stemmed from their experience in a world dominated by the cruel east india company with its private army and monopolistic grip on trade routes so it was no doubt progressive
>>2794549this is a really stupid misconception arrived at almost exclusively by poorly read people. revolutions absolutely only ever get off the ground when there exists an immiserated populous to form the boots-on-the-ground forces that drive carry out the actions that apply real material pressure (strikes, violence). otherwise it's just a bunch of parties of uppity academics yelling into the void
>>2794580>interimperialist remember that, for Lenin's theory of imperialism, imperialism means advanced monopoly capitalism, not simply the classical meaning of "when an empire does stuff."
yes george washington called the USA a nascent empire
yes the british empire was an empire
yes america was founded on slavery, racism, and genocide
no, 1776 was not an "inter-imperialist war" in the leninist sense of the word "imperialist."
nor was it even a bourgeois revolution in the sense of Robespierre, Simon Bolivar, or Toussaint Louverture. I would say it was a prototype of a bourgeois revolution. Like Cromwell 2.0, but in a colony instead of in the mother country, which is why it didn't end in regicide. Look at what cockshott says about modes of production in the USA. the USA wasn't even a complete bourgeois republic until its civil war was finished.
>>2794575israel is the vanguard of modern imperialism and france is the second largest power in the EU
this would be something more like turkey
>>2794585the immiserated masses will always be the bulk of a revolt but they're rarely the ones who actually start it
>>2794585>>2794591immiserated masses = tinder
theory = fuel
vanguard = matches
>>2794574>>2794576Gonna court controversy and say that in a lot of these situations I think people will follow the group that has the confidence to lead.
Like when I was trying to organize some local CPUSA stuff I found that even if we tried to have a horizontal or more collective type of leadership, a lot of people lack the confidence to assert we should do X, Y, or Z. Often it feels like the first person to designate tasks is generally saddled with the mantle of leadership.
Of course that was a much smaller group dynamic, but maybe there's something to learn from that?
>>2794597Israel is the vanguard of the anglo-american empire.
>>2794605Israel has no sovereignty and is completely dependent on the US. She is an extension of US imperialism, to say that she is imperialist on her own merits is both imprecise and inaccurate.
>>2794601>people will follow the group that has the confidence to leadThis is what a program declaring the end of private property and the parasitical state means.
>>2794603>It's really about expectations rising faster than the rate of reforms.This is true. And the obscene wealth the bourgeoisie commands. I think that Plekhanov remarks somewhere in his memoirs that what actually set the workers in motion wasn't an abstract theory of communism, but a call to return their dignity as men. So when the state expects labor-power to be a commodity in the full sense of the word (the fascistic end of the liberal spectrum), the call for dignity of the worker is revolutionary.
>>2794607okay
doesn't really change what i said
>>2794609>This is what a program declaring the end of private property and the parasitical state means. See that's just a program, and I think back to the example of the Nazis boasting they had basically a "non-program" or ᴉuᴉlossnW, I think, declaring he had a kind of anti-politics, and both managed to defeat Communists with actual political programs and goals.
Confidence to lead, I think, isn't necessarily having the most well-rounded and defined political program. It's, for lack of a better phrase, having the balls to take decisive action. Y'know you'd have these uprisings like CHAZ and the like, but they'd kind of peter out after the initial securing of territory or get taken over by a warlord, essentially.
So I think a small group in the middle of an uprising saying "Hey, we have guns, City Hall is right there, we're going to capture it and declare independence" (again this is just a hypothetical) would be given leadership before a group that says "Hey here's our party program."
>>2794603history disproves you. only ever starving people have carried out successful revolutions. i know USAnians desperately want to believe they're at the point where a revolution is possible but they are nowhere near that point.
>>2794624Wtf are you blabbering about?
>>2794627>i know USAnians desperately want to believe they're at the point where a revolution is possible but they are nowhere near that point.I don't think the U.S. is anywhere near the point of a revolution.
>>2794627just because the revolutions of the russians, chinese, cubans, haitians, vietnamese, laotians, koreans, french, and nicaraguans were led by starving masses doesn't mean they ALL have to be
>>2794605nah israel is focused on one thing only, the continued existence of the jewish state, if it's ever expedient to lose their western character for political survival they 100% would, they are a regional power that seeks to disrupt and exploit the status quo unlike america or england
>>2794627>>2794630Check back in when prices rise due to disruptions in the oil market and say that again.
>>2794568Civil wars often begin as foreign wars
>>2794633irrelevant what-if compared to the practical reality that israel is integrated deeply into lynchpins of the american economy including widespread control of software in industries, it is tied into the american security state both in practical training for violence at all levels for internal and external repression, forms a key element of the surveillance apparatus internal and external for the US government, and has deep ties with the entire ruling class of the US.
people on this board are going to the lengths of just trying to say israel is some tiny poor wittle exploited periphery country to disagree with nazis that they ignore the blatantly obvious fact that the american ruling class has placed enormous efforts in making israel a essential element of their ruling state is wild
>>2794629I was just thinking about how the USSR and PRC both built "great nation" myths around their specific people to co-opt the innate patriotism of the people they were preaching to. Their whole messaging was that "Russian/Chinese people are great and just being held down by the evil international capitalists invading our country and stealing what is rightfully ours and enslaving our people." Meanwhile American Marxists tend to really really hate America and everything it represents, both past and present, decrying it as a nation founded on slavery and exploitation that is incapable of escaping its past. Which tbh I agree with. But it does make me think the situation is hopeless for "American Socialism" if this is what Americans think of their home.
This has no relation to any current news and could've probably been its own thread but I didn't think it was significant enough to warrant it I'm just sperging into the void.
>>2794644Netanyahu called for an independent, sovereign military industrial sector, try keeping up with modern developments. It's also a fact that american and israeli foreign policy in the region are not identical and often at odds, israeli end-goal is to redraw all the middle eastern borders to its favor and get to a point where the country can survive on its own merits without external help, which is a fundamental weakness for the zionist imperialists. america obviously wants to keep israel small and subjugated
>>2794655theyre running out of young bodies i guess
acksually the barracks full of slave drivers where the plantation owner sends new recruits to get trained up, the barracks full of dossiers on every slave, that is given free reign to spy on the slaves in their beds? The barracks that holds half the keys to the locks all over the farm? That's just a bunch of employees, being exploited by the slave owner too 🤓🤓🤓 you see the slave owner pays their wages, and without those wages the guards would starve 🤓🤓🤓
>>2794655there are plenty of angry and disillusioned veterans in ukraine to make something happen
>>2794649
>crisis alone doesnt make revolutionary conditions
Having the correct material conditions certainly does
>you need bolshevik tier organization to seize the opportunities
You need use the opportunities to form the party in the first place.
>>2794655>Unless it turns into some kind of Amazonian/Valkyrie uprising, which would be based af.uh that's not happening lol
unless ukraine starts drafting women nothing's gonna happen; their nation will run out of bodies and their men will be replaced by russian settlers that will marry ukrainian women right after killing their fathers/brothers/husbands, and after 5 years we'll pretend those settlers were always ukrainian. that's how these things usually go. in the modern age it's very rare for a nation to run out of fighting age men but there's no uprising afterwards, they just get replaced by the conquering army.
>>2794472You just created one million pedophile rapists
>>2794646>But it does make me think the situation is hopeless for "American Socialism" That’s because your viewpoint is skewed. We are internationalists, not nationalists. We don’t utilize nationalism. We manipulate, hijack, and subvert nationalist for our ends against theirs.
>>2794668Women have been instrumental in every revolution, and in fact, it's only when women get involved that the ruling class gets frightened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_March_on_Versailles >>2794666
>>2794649
the biggest thing that pushed people to join the bolsheviks for the october revolution was the february revolution's failure but the obvious failing of the russian government in between.
I still think the role of the SR's in creating the openings for the bolsheviks is hugely under-studied
>>2794673Trvnami. Even the February revolution without which there could've not been an October, was started by unruly women.
>>2794649
>you need bolshevik tier organization to seize the opportunities
bolsheviks had like 200 members max in early 1917
>>2794666
>so its more accurate to say you are closer to conditions that are favorable for the emergence of something that in the future will be able to seize actual revolutionary conditions
No actually, I wouldn’t say that. I merely expanded on your original statement that crisis alone will not enough for revolutionary conditions. Crisis alone would not be enough, but we have more than just crisis to work with.
>>2794683No, by all accounts, they had some 20.000 members. Why are you lying? What do you get from this?
>>2794659Not many liberals like to admit the role wages played in chattel slavery.
>>2794673>Women have been instrumental in every revolutionIndeed but the only women protesting in Ukraine are the babushkas that have to watch their sons die. You see these news stories sometimes of women protesting the war in Ukraine and it's always old ladies in grief trying to stop the draft officers from taking more sons to the slaughter. They aren't capable of overthrowing the government. Meanwhile young women, so long as they have the option to flee the war, will always choose to do so. The only reason revolutions succeed is when men and women are united against a common enemy, but this isn't the case in Ukraine so their situation is hopeless.
They could've probably solved this by having universal conscription but I think the bourgeois are wary of this fact: if women are fighting on the frontlines they no longer have hostages back home to compel the male soldiers to die to "protect their loved ones" and it creates a reverse incentive for soldiers to mutiny to protect their loved ones from being deployed.
>>2794678lmao can't believe I'm low key agreeing with Trump here, it's stupid for the media to read the manifesto of a shooter, like what are they thinking? I mean I'm glad they are because it's funny and I don't mind them inspiring copycats, but it's crazy that they think that's a good idea.
>>2794693the media will do literally anything for ratings
if someone shot trump with a .50 cal and his head exploded the media would be playing the video nonstop for weeks, not because they think trump is a fascist or deserved it but because they're parasites willing to exploit any kind of violence for views.
>>2794678if it was a false flag it was only a tiny number of people who were in on it, doesn't really stop the rest of the machine from fucking things up tbh
>>2793659what they are actually afraid of? The US is surrounded by ocean, so it's not missile threats. The public is pacified and obese, so it's not an uprising.
What's there to fear?
>>2794689that's what my source says. In Petrograd specifically there were a few hundred max in early Feb 1917, perhaps with 20,000 in the rest of Russia, but they would not be participating in the bolshevik seizure of the opportunities in the capital
>>2794699>The public is pacified and obeseThey’re in even worse shape. And pacified? Source?
>>2794702americans watch TV all day and pretend everything is fine, outside specific urban centers like seattle, minneapolis, new york.
>>2794699It's called security theater.
The treats must flow
>>2794678>vidl m f a o
bro got ragebaited
>>2794705>americans watch TV all day and pretend everything is fineSource?
>outside specific urban centers like seattle, minneapolis, new yorkThat’s oddly specific
>>2794668>russian settlersis this what libs are now calling the ukrainian separatists who lived in donbass and luhansk all along?
>>2794712>That’s oddly specifici imagine anon picked those 3 because they were the sites of recent "resistance" as liberal as it may have been in practice.
>>2794715So anon’s some kind of normie then
>>2793733>Also the rhetoric tends to be centered around getting rid of Trump more than anything else. These people are going to have a mental breakdown when he does die and things still continue to get worse
>>2794722>These people are going to have a mental breakdown when he does die and things still continue to get worsemaybe they'll just go back to brunch and pretend everything is OK. or they'll become more schizo like conservatoids became after Obama
>>2794722same way they handled it with biden i assume
>>2794713I'm sorry I don't really care about the war in Ukraine or who is "the good guys" since both Russia and Ukraine are full of neo-nazis and I hate Europe anyway.
The point is that Ukraine losing all its young men won't really matter in the long run. In a few years all of Ukraine will be 50 year old Russian military vets with 20 year old Ukrainian instagram model wives and no one will care that Ukraine's male population went extinct. They will be forgotten by history just like the native american men that died fighting white people while their daughters and sisters married white soldiers, and now their great great great grandchildren are claiming native american heritage on their college application despite looking like Elizabeth Warren.
Ukraine's demographic collapse is just a common bourgeois tactic to create lebensraum, and Ukrainians are aware of this already. It isn't gonna lead to any kind of revolution on its own unless Ukrainian women refuse to play ball.
>>2794559>>2794554>>2794552That makes the most sense since those are the countries which have made substantial progress in capitalist development but are either unable to (or simply have not yet) develop the means and institutions to contain capitalist class contradictions.
>>2794728so, once again, watching tv and pretending everything is fine
Not fucking second-worldism. Anything but practicing the theory, goddamn.
>>2794686That's America now. They learned from the jews, same as the Cubans and Iranians. Just bring your ancient feud over to the new country, why not? If you lobby well enough your complaint will be taken seriously by the most powerful military in the world.
>>2794730>I'm sorry I don't really care about the war in Ukraine or who is "the good guys" I didn't suggest you did. I asked you why you are asserting that all the Ukrainian men are dead, forgetting that there are a bunch of Ukrainian men who are alive and live in the separatist regions.
>since both Russia and Ukraine are full of neo-nazisThat's a very lazy sort of reductionism and not at all a scientific assessment of the situation. Everyone who has bothered to look into this can see that the CIA-backed neo-nazis are mostly concentrated in Lviv, and that the separatists in Donbass and Luhansk all through the civil war were building statues of Lenin and yearning for the days of the USSR while the CIA-backed weirdos were building monuments to nazi collaborators. You can say that this soviet-sympathy is mostly politically semi-literate nationalist nostalgia, but it certainly isn't nazism. Especially not when they are fighting actual CIA-backed neo nazis
>I hate Europe anyway.Then stop commenting situations you have neither researched nor care about, especially when it comes to Eastern European countries that have been treated as an Eastern anti-European Menace, depending on the decade.
>The point is that Ukraine losing all its young men won't really matter in the long run. In a few years all of Ukraine will be 50 year old Russian military vets with 20 year old Ukrainian instagram model wives and no one will care that Ukraine's male population went extinct.This isn't even close to a realistic assessment of the situation. Even the most genocidal wars of extermination in modern history didn't not result in much more than a 20-30% death of the male population, and this is nowhere close to that.
> They will be forgotten by history just like the native american men that died fighting white people while their daughters and sisters married white soldiers, and now their great great great grandchildren are claiming native american heritage on their college application despite looking like Elizabeth Warren. aine's demographic collapse is just a common bourgeois tactic to create lebensraum, and Ukrainians are aware of this already. It isn't gonna lead to any kind of revolution on its own unless Ukrainian women refuse to play ball.You are comparing two completely different situations and acting like they are the same because you are smug, historically illiterate, and have not done even the most basic research on this topic.
>>2794686I remember when Ilhan Omar refused to recognize it and people on here said it was because she's privy to the Turkish lobby lol
From the shooter manifesto:
>PS: Ok now that all the sappy stuff is done, what the hell is the Secret Service doing? Sorry, gonna rant a bit here and drop the formal tone.
>Like, I expected security cameras at every bend, bugged hotel rooms, armed agents every 10 feet, metal detectors out the wazoo.
>What I got (who knows, maybe they’re pranking me!) is nothing.
>No damn security.
>Not in transport.
>Not in the hotel.
>Not in the event.
>Like, the one thing that I immediately noticed walking into the hotel is the sense of arrogance.
>I walk in with multiple weapons and not a single person there considers the possibility that I could be a threat.
>The security at the event is all outside, focused on protestors and current arrivals, because apparently no one thought about what happens if someone checks in the day before.
>Like, this level of incompetence is insane, and I very sincerely hope it’s corrected by the time this country gets actually competent leadership again.
>Like, if I was an Iranian agent, instead of an American citizen, I could have brought a damn Ma Deuce in here and no one would have noticed s–t.
>Actually insane.
>Oh and if anyone is curious is how doing something like feels: it’s awful. I want to throw up; I want to cry for all the things I wanted to do and never will, for all the people whose trust this betrays; I experience rage thinking about everything this administration has done.
>Can’t really recommend it! Stay in school, kids.
>>2794753Reddit: The Years of Lead
>>2794753I hope this is real because it's really funny an attempted assassin dunking on the secret service for letting him do it before he does it is hilarious.
>>2794755The years of Reddit
>>2794753And after all this shit he still missed?
>>2794624>>2794646Nationalism is part of a higher tier of what I'd call "collective projection" in my opinion.
What I mean to say by that, is if you look back in history you'll see stuff like the Hellenic City-States holding to some of the most bitter rivalries. There wasn't a "national consciousness" as we think of it today. Despite chuds latching onto the Battle of Thermopylae as some great myth of Western Civilization, the Spartans would later ally with the Persians against the Athenians if I recall correctly. In our most primitive, regressive state we come to fear and despise everything outside of the immediate homestead or family clan. As both society develops and roads are built and political structures supersede tribal ones, the conception of "us" grows larger: from the clan to the town, town to the city, city to the nation, etc.
Prior to nationalism, people were
subjects, not citizens. I think that's an important distinction. At the very least citizenship within a nation means a kind of presumed superficial equality. The idea of "second class citizenship" reflects that one lacks all the rights a "true citizen" would hold. Subjects are not defined by national borders, but by submission to an outside figure of authority: the King or Emperor; you're "equal" to others inasmuch as you're bound by the same contract as them to the same figure. Communism, as theoretically the highest stage of man's development, instead expands that projected collectivism into one great Human Nation, the Tribe of Mankind, we come to project ourselves onto that Human tribe as the highest form of collectivity.
The American citizen's conception of his fellow Americans as morally evil isn't because they've elevated their conception of the self to this higher form of collectivity, but because they've regressed to the individualism promoted by our toxic capitalist culture: you're either a con artist or you're a sucker. Everyone is a shark and the second they sense blood in the water they'll pounce.
>>2794767These things don't usually go as planned. You probably more organization or just luck.
>>2794722>>2794726they'll be whatever the media will tell them to be, because they don't break the limits of the state, they don't disrespect institutions, and they pretend that rights are not obtained through power.
>>2794744Russia's current government is literally run by far-right billionaires that criminalized homosexuality and use the state to crush labor movements just as the west does. I truly do not want to get involved in the Russia vs Ukraine conflict but I can't help but mock lefty ziggers who think Putin will somehow revive the USSR or the modern Russian state has any connection to the USSR beyond aura farming. The modern Russian state is composed and run by the people who participated in the destruction and looting of the USSR with CIA support. They aren't secret Communists they're just billionaires looking for new natural resources and slaves to exploit just like the burgerreich.
>>2794767>Run into a party full of rich people all dressed the exact same way with many of them having plastic surgery to make themselves look more like their god-emperor>Have 0.2 seconds to identify your target before he ducks under a table and/or the secret service blows your head offpersonally I just think it's cringe he let himself get caught instead of having a suicide vest. What exactly was his exit plan even if he succeeded?
>>2794805Damn we finally got him?
>>2794803
>Why tf would he want to wear a suicide vest, he didn't wanted to kill random people or journalist his target(s) was pretty obvious
Random people? That dinner had the entire country's oligarchy present. Even if he failed to kill Trump succeeding in killing at least a few CEO's would've been extremely based and elevated him above Luigi as a PotD icon. Now he's just some faggot redditor that will rot in a CIA blacksite for the rest of his life, not allowed to even kill himself.
eagerly awaiting the cruelty squad mod level for this
>>2794797
>What exactly was his exit plan even if he succeeded?"I would also like to extend my appreciation to a great many people since I will not be likely to be able to talk with them again (unless the Secret Service is *astoundingly* incompetent.)" Seems like he expected to be killed according to the manifesto
https://katu.com/news/local/read-the-full-manifesto-by-shooter-at-white-house-correspondence-dinner >>2794816do these actually work as a dead mans switch if you get shot or is that just movie magic? because like, if you're wearing a suicide vest for a planned terror attack there's a high risk you just get shot before you can detonate it.
what are you doing right now? well, whatever it is, it's a distraction from the epstein files
>>2794832a dead man's switch is a kind of trigger, not a part of the mine itself.
you create this by creating a lever-trigger that is constantly attempting to push outwards and the user has to hold onto it. You could attach the deadman's switch to anything, be it a bomb or a piece of electronics or whatever else.
>>2794848I see, I should've known this but somehow I figured it'd be more complex to build a trigger mechanism.
A leftist online said that we will soon have "space communism" with AI and moving the industry to space (somehow?). He also cited a white paper with Musk and Zuckerberg quotes.
What would be your take on this? I think some people are thinking AI will bring communism. But ignore that the social relations between the elite and proletariat have not changed, regardless of scientific progress. Idk if he was trolling or what
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/nonviolence-or-nonexistence-road-forward-after-white-house-correspondents-dinner-incident/>We know very little about Allen or his motive for this attack, but this much seems clear: Allen believes what the President and many in our society believe—that peace will come when their enemies are obliterated, and that they must use violence to win the world they want. This idea is what Jesus called bad leaven—a spirit of division and violence that cannot easily be turned off once it has been unleashed to serve some political goal. People with power have sown to the wind, and we are all reaping a whirlwind. This whole article is strange christcuck nonsense. Makes no sense to proles. It middle class labor aristocrat catholic nonsense. Cpusa is cleric catholic theocratic maga party, worse than what they accuse iran of
>>2794866>christcuck nonsensewell yeah it's written by a literal preacher
CPUSA is such a joke lmao
There are no shortcuts to revolution. You need to organize a sufficient number of intellectuals with some connection to the workers and good knowledge of marxism and their own country to formulate a specific political program; you need to build organic presence, propagate the mentioned program among an inert mass of workers, which takes years; then you actually have to be able to set this mass in political motion; and it has to learn to lead itself. This is a decade long undertaking, at a minimum, and we have to do it five years.
It's also clear that you cannot build out of any kind of democratic socialism, that no compromise with the imperialist state is possible. You also cannot transplant the conditions from tsarist Russia or colonial China to the USA or Europe.
What is necessary is a unity between marxists and not a unity between marxists and non-marxists; otherwise you're losing precious time. You cannot have a horizontal structure, because for the last 30 years that kind of praxis evidently got us nowhere. You need a democratic and centralized organization of willing cadre. These cadre have to understand agitation and propaganda.
You also need a plan for after the revolution. We have this in some capacity.
It's such a huge undertaking. And it's really disappointing to see that only one tenth or less of the userbase understands some basic truths. Nonsensical suggestion after suggestion instead of reading Lenin and Marx and keeping a clear head with a reachable and realistic goal - the abolishment of private property.
>>2794863They're mostly difficult in practice because you need to account for things like what happens if your hand slips for only a second, or what happens if you have a static discharge in the wire, or the wire gets clipped.
this is where things become complicated, because you want to figure out a way that prevents a single small high voltage shock to set it off but a longer lower voltage continuous flow sets it off, while perhaps having a second coaxial wire must constantly be on but without running out of battery.
it's a fine line between making things simple without making them
too simple.
How is us politics divided exactly between two liberal parties?
Are burgers genetically predisposed to being rep or dem? Is it more so state level dogma? Like you're born in blue shithole you're born with this social expectation?
50% vs 50% seems really engineered
>>2794877Isn't that how every Republic ends up? Rome was probably also largely just two major parties split into minor factions.
>>2794874You contradict yourself, you say we cant reproduce the conditions of tsarist russia but must read Lenin and Marx.
That said, to organize workers you need to organize communities on a large scale. It's impossible to organize workers when the threat of being fired, no savings, etc. are too high. For the workers to be willing to take risks they need a support base. And this base must be their community.
The way I see it we need communalist syndicalism
>>2794879
>>2794881
The populist party supported capitalism btw, and lots of what it wanted was actually implemented, they just merged with the democrats.
Is it true the DSA is gonna run candiates in 2028
>>2794880
parliamentary systems are still mostly just two parties(left vs right) split into factions.
>>2794693It's insane that they are reading a shooter's manifesto but it's probably more insane for trump to agree to be grilled about it. Like what the fuck, why are we taking a potential mass shooter at his word and why are we supposed to ask the president about it, what. Imagine if the manifesto was about keebler elves manipulating the stock market, what is he supposed to answer
>>2794898I'm not sure what Trump's angle is for getting personally interviewed, maybe he wants the attention for surviving an assassination attempt lol, but I think they're afraid of people reading the manifesto on their own and developing narratives about it that are outside the White House's control. They need to feed it to the goycattle in a sterilized corporate network news environment where they control every variable and can paint the shooter as some crazy redditor and not just a normal guy that realized the system is FUCKED.
>>2794877It isn't, part of the reason why bourgeois team R gerrymanders so much and bourgeois team D just takes up space.
>>2794902>they're afraid of people reading the manifesto>people readingpeople don't read
Which country is the least American in the world? And which also has leftist potential? And finally not a dilapidated third world country wracked with poverty?
>>2794867
>trying to convince a 19 year old e-girl to sleep with me so i can lose my 33 year old virginity and ascend to godhood.
why don't you just fuck a woman your age
>no i need le teenage e-girl who is
10/10
she will rob you blind and/or sic her discord simps on you and it will be funny
>>2794910>Which country is the least American in the world? And which also has leftist potential? And finally not a dilapidated third world country wracked with poverty?everyone knows the answer is china but everyone seethes for some reason
>>2794924>>2794927Yeah agreed, probably Cuba, North Korea or Angola.
>>2794930Afghanistan, Iraq/Iran and Eastern/Southern Mexico probably also.
>>2794927
>the least americanized
that wasn't the question
>>2794938
ok i'll leave you alone, your reasoning makes sense. but maybe take the sex chat to relationships thread in siberia.
>>2794869DNCPUSA allows open fascists into its ranks and willingly collaborates with genocidal monsters in order to achieve entirely theoretical gains for the American volk. Why does it surprise you that they allow fascist pedophiles to write for their paper?
>>2794950that's because you're not shallow, and most people are
Women and men won't date me because im schizophenic
>>2794867
Jesus Christ this thread gets more pathetic every time I check in
>>2794339
Being an edgy imageboard nihilist is teenager brain bullshit
>>2794938>>2794950a lot of younger millenials still cling in their hearts somewhere to the delusion that they can climb up out of their position somehow even if it's marrying up. The OWS hopers.
older zoomers and younger never had that hope implanted in them so they just don't give a fuck and just settle for the luck of getting someone with free netflix
>>2794950Princess want many bananas, you want one banana.
>>2794947Vow of Nonviolence
I pledge allegiance to the power of love.
I reject every myth that claims a world or a nation can be built by destroying my enemies, and I affirm the wisdom of every tradition that teaches life is a gift.
In gratitude for the gift of my life, and in recognition that service is the rent we pay for our space here on earth, I commit to nonviolent struggle against every form of violence.
I refuse to accept the violence that starves a child, the violence that denies someone healthcare, the violence that keeps people in poverty, the violence that denies people a place to belong, the violence that says some types of people do not deserve the same respect that the inherent dignity of every person demands of each of us.
Because I understand the power of love in action, my resistance to violence is not passive. I commit to using every nonviolent tool available to resist evil and build beloved community.
I will make every effort to pursue the truth by speaking directly with people whose actions I oppose.
I will petition my representatives and engage in mass education through nonviolent protest, vigils, marches, and mass assemblies.
I will exercise the nonviolent tool of voting, and I will work to educate, register, and mobilize voters who have been alienated from the democratic process.
I will aim to keep my own intentions pure through fasting, prayer, meditation, and self-reflection as means of fighting the violence that is within me.
I will refuse to cooperate with evil, joining others in boycotts, strikes, sit-ins, and shut-downs.
I commit that I am willing to lay down my own life to resist evil, but I will not take another person’s life.
I make this pledge in the company of a beloved community, and I trust that the power of love, working through us and others like us, can transform the world that is into the world that ought to be.
>>2794362
fuck off recrooter, i'm not fighting iran for your masters
>>2794744>Everyone who has bothered to look into this can see that the CIA-backed neo-nazis are mostly concentrated in Lviv, and that the separatists in Donbass and Luhansk all through the civil war were building statues of Lenin … You can say that this soviet-sympathy is mostly politically semi-literate nationalist nostalgia, but it certainly isn't nazism. Especially not when they are fighting actual CIA-backed neo nazisRussian far rightists get into retarded psychotic shit in which the collapse of the Soviet Union was bad and Russia achieved glorious victory in World War II against Nazis who are bad because they're enemies of Russia but communism is also bad because it oppressed Orthodoxy and Nazi aesthetics are good because we wuz Vikings (depends on which Russian far rightsts are talking though) and there are millions of ethnic Russians outside Russia who must be reunited in a war with the Ukrainian Nazis who are led by a Jew (which is also bad).
Like the whole thing is just dumb. Also look up the paintings of Ilya Glazunov (one of his works in the background of the Dugin and David Duke photo btw). A weird thing is that he started we wuzzing in the Soviet Union under the auspices of the Soviet glowie-sponsored cultural organization VOOPIiK to cultivate a national-cultural rightist (from what I can tell) vibe as relations with China deterioriated. He later got involved in Pamyat and was given awards by Putin who has also persistently glazed Ivan Ilyin (who is undisputably a fascist philosopher, initially supportive of the Nazis even), but there is a very decent probability that Putin doesn't actually know about that because he doesn't use the internet and just gets snippets and quotes from his secretaries like those weird kids online whose extent of political and philosophical knowledge is video game loading screen quotes.
I also read the memoir of one pro-Russian fighter in the initial 2014-2015 conflict (Vitaly "Afrikaner" Fedorov) who openly described himself in the book as a hardcore far-right racist who loves capitalism, but not a Nazi he says, because the Nazis were against Russia. So that's the kind of intelligence we're dealing with when it comes to the average Eastern European gunman. The Ukrainian historical memory stuff is bad and dumb too, but lefties need to get over it. At the end of the day, Russia is very transparently and cynically exploiting the historical memory of World War II to legitimize its present-day actions but nobody actually cares about World War II. People also have a tough time admitting the fact that if Russia hadn't gotten proxy militias to spark that war in the Donbass, Ukraine wouldn't have soured on that legacy, because it was a part of their own national mythos until then.
My comrades want to do red aid and I don't have the heart to tell them it's a massive fucking waste of time. The homeless cannot be organized, and money should be spent on practical things like weapons and ammo rather then handing out sandwiches to people who will never join us.
>>2794959
>All "big" countries will share the primary American disease of wishing to throw their weight around. So India and China for sure.
Normally I would agree and we may see a few decades of this. But I think the climate crunch is going to globalize things even further. The new meta is going to be drone warfare, psyops, influencer and designated warzones.
>>2795042>Practical things like weapons and ammoYeah dude. Definitely also not a waste of time or money
>>2795047You can't overthrow the bourgeoisie with sandwiches. Anything that doesn't put rifles in hands is a waste of time and effort.
>>2795051
Realistically, you should kill yourself just like he did
>>2795050The vast majority of genuine revolutionaries throughout history have not only not read lenin, they were illiterate. Theory is only a requirement for the vanguard, the only books the masses need is small unit infantry tactics and weapon maintenance.
>>2795055approval ratings don't matter
>>2795056maybe some anarchists and radlibs, but absolutely no revolutionary has be illiterate. no one gains class consciousness without reading.
>>2795069The average Bolshevik, Chinese communist or Viet Cong was illiterate actually. They drew their rank and file from people who often weren't even allowed to go to school, let alone afford it.
7 months with no job. When will the walmart start hiring again.
>be hitla
>kill self
>be nazis
>lose
>be /pol/fags
>have their website taken over by israel
XD!
Last job I had was at the outback steakhouse. Feels like a lifetime ago. Idk how I'm surviving dude. The mosques have been very kind to white folks with donations.
>>2795077If there are any Sikh temples around they serve free, usually very good, vegetarian meals and are specifically forbidden to proselytize.
so, I've been reading and loking at shitlibs, conservacucks, magacons, well, the lib spectrum in general, and they can't figure out Cole Allen.
He has posts being anti-immigrant, attacking Hasan Picker, being bigoted, so he is very well in the spectrum of holding nothing, like all the libs in the aforementioned spectrum.
they are fuming trying to frame somewhere the guy's identity, and they simply can't.
it's hilarious.
>>2795071I am talking about the leadership.
>>2795085Probably not, but I will remember that. Thank you.
>>2795088Sikhism is probably the only not dogshit religion tbh. They are simultaneously militant and also pretty chill. They are the people who never cut their hair and wear it wrapped in in Turbans.
>>2794805i wish he'd shut up already because im tired of seeing people having to defend jimmy fucking kimmel
>>2795090why did they invite jimmy kimmel to the correspondents dinner, didn't trump try and failed to cancel his show just mere months ago? bros… is donald trump retarded?
>>2795086isnt he a quirked up will stancil?
fun stuff for non-americans, rotisserie chickens are cheaper than whole raw frozen (fresh) chicken, and generally speaking, for any meat prepared under the same style in supermarkets.
this is because the food companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars in advertisement, making the price absurdly unaffordable. you can see raw T-Bones steaks 1lb=$49 for the same reason.
Companies like cotsco, instead of spending that money, they tag the rotisserie chickens prices with supplier prices, but they incentivize the average burger to go inside the cotsco, where they can get the public to buy more stuff besides the chicken.
instead of forcing companies to stop spending hundreds of millions in advertisement, fetterman proposes this bill which will be financing cotsco and similar companies.
interesting shitlibery, masqueraded as progressive.
>>2795096I haven't seen that he's an activist of any kind.
at best, that he's a mechanical engineer from CalTech that posted a bunch of a broad-tent political nonsense, which can easily frame him either on the republican side, or the democratic side.
that's why both groups are foaming.
>>2795103
wait, will stancil is NOT jewish? lmao
honkoid status?
>>2795072
IIRC the blacks tend to be pretty centrist when it comes to homogay issues
>>2795128
Speak english wouldya
>>2795042>The homeless cannot be organizedhas anyone seriously tried besides the black panthers? street gangs seem to organize the homeless just fine for their needs. why is the left so bad at it? is it because leftists by and large are naive idealists that hand out sandwiches freely without building loyalty among the people they're trying to "recruit"? probably.
>>2795062impressive form on that sneak attack
reminder that a decent chunk of maos support during the civil war came from the most destitute of society (including the homeless)
>>2795147
you forgot your tankie flag, hasbara anon
>>2795069>no one gains class consciousness without reading.I'd say the workers gain knowledge of their own oppression without reading, and can even sometimes gain class consciousness purely through real life conversation and class struggle, but they never independently rediscover the entire lessons of the history of labor struggles without reading, which is what marxism elucidates and shapes into a weapon.
>>2795051
>Hitler started WW2 to stop WW3
what dimensionality of chess are we on
>>2795151
If Hitler had won the western front Germany(and the entirety of Europe) would be part of the USSR right about now and also Mecha-Stalin would still be alive to lead us into the 22nd century.
Fucking hate this timeline.
>>2795161it makes perfect sense that America's Lenin is a racist misogynistic livestreamer that can't read and just does everything off "vibes" and jestermaxxing for the bros. It's the Lenin we deserve.
>>2795164Imagine a felix vs has debate
>>2795168what does felix even do?
>>279516095% sure this is just a 4chud larping as a teacher on reddit. a teacher would roll their eyes at sentences like that, not memorize them and post them perfectly from memory on reddit
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!Since you guys have been ass-pained about the whole "treatlerite" discourse I made a general thread for it. Whenever you face a treatler-poster here just point them to
>>2795180and that is it.
I am very something fierce
THANKING YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER! >>2795291He's prob one of the pentagons leading strategists.
>>2795160this theme of story can be real but this specific example is not, no kids are saying "chud goy clique makes the foids shake" they're saying shit like 6 7.
>>2795291from
>Don't Tell Me How to Liveto
>Daddy trumpedo, let me dry-clean your orangeuicy balls, and use them as an orange tongue painter. >>2795345>dems will never impeach trumpHavent they done it 2 times already?
>>2795370Based as fuck
Hopefully they ban that thirdie uyghur so he stops spamming the board with this anti-internationalism garbage
>>2795372Notice that the spam all over the board is still present, like they anchor the treat dedicated to treatler bitching, but wont clean up the ones where it doesnt belong.
>>2795377Unfathomably based
Total Kaczynskist Death, treats are based.
>>2795379No its not, its exactly opposite of good moderation, leave one thread for turd wordism, and clean up the spam from the rest of the board.
>>2795372Bro the US government isn't going to offer you a fair maiden to erase your brown genes for all that glaze 😭😭😭
>>2795038>The Ukrainian historical memory stuff is bad and dumb too, but lefties need to get over it. At the end of the day, Russia is very transparently and cynically exploiting the historical memory of World War II to legitimize its present-day actions but nobody actually cares about World War II. People also have a tough time admitting the fact that if Russia hadn't gotten proxy militias to spark that war in the Donbass, Ukraine wouldn't have soured on that legacy, because it was a part of their own national mythos until then.What a dumb argument, Ukrainians nationalists are the greater threat currently to communists than russian nationalists, its not even close. If you are a russian and clown on the soviet union you get instantly scolded by other russians whereas if you are ukrainian and do the same every ukrop will agree with you. A communist russia would have to deal with this issue once and for all (that of course also includes nationalists in their own ranks). Fuck you.
It seems that Mamdani is doing good things and is an example for progressive politicians - so why am I supposed to hate him again?
>>2795427ah, a man of reason. there should be a mamdani in every city in america TBH
why does mamdani cause so much Latam seethe? Is it jealousy?
>>2795429When this country collapses, I will shut down any attempts to hold an election, and any attempts at restoring or creating a new government because such attempts are merely the future bourgeoisie imposing their will over me and seizing both my individual and collective freedoms to force me under a flag for capital. And I will not stopped.
>the Latam shits and cries over a politician thousands of miles away
Many such cases!
>>2795389>Turd worldist immediately plays the race cardTruly the most subhuman group of people
>>2795382No, rangeban the spammer instead, he has made multiple garbage threads already
>>2795451
Wtf
why wont your dumb dumbs bring back the anti-campism general to bitch and moan endlessly there instead of shitting iran thread
>>2795456Sir, this is the thread where 99% of campists on the board dwell.
I love my trans gf
>>2795457this is USApol so expect that it disusses USAnian arguments, deport all the fucking leftcom illegals out of here to their containment thread
>Third, the “Left” Communists have a great deal to say in praise of us Bolsheviks. One sometimes feels like telling them to praise us less and to try to get a better knowledge of the Bolsheviks’ tactics. We took part in the elections to the Constituent Assembly, the Russian bourgeois parliament in September–November 1917. Were our tactics correct or not? If not, then this should be clearly stated and proved, for it is necessary in evolving the correct tactics for international communism. If they were correct, then certain conclusions must be drawn. Of course, there can be no question of placing conditions in Russia on a par with conditions in Western Europe. But as regards the particular question of the meaning of the concept that “parliamentarianism has become politically obsolete”, due account should be taken of our experience, for unless concrete experience is taken into account such concepts very easily turn into empty phrases. In September–November 1917, did we, the Russian Bolsheviks, not have more right than any Western Communists to consider that parliamentarianism was politically obsolete in Russia? Of course we did, for the point is not whether bourgeois parliaments have existed for a long time or a short time, but how far the masses of the working people are prepared (ideologically, politically and practically) to accept the Soviet system and to dissolve the bourgeois-democratic parliament (or allow it to be dissolved). It is an absolutely incontestable and fully established historical fact that, in September–November 1917, the urban working class and the soldiers and peasants of Russia were, because of a number of special conditions, exceptionally well prepared to accept the Soviet system and to disband the most democratic of bourgeois parliaments. Nevertheless, the Bolsheviks did not boycott the Constituent Assembly, but took part in the elections both before and after the proletariat conquered political power. That these elections yielded exceedingly valuable (and to the proletariat, highly useful) political results has, I make bold to hope, been proved by me in the above-mentioned article, which analyses in detail the returns of the elections to the Constituent Assembly in Russia.
>The conclusion which follows from this is absolutely incontrovertible: it has been proved that, far from causing harm to the revolutionary proletariat, participation in a bourgeois-democratic parliament, even a few weeks before the victory of a Soviet republic and even after such a victory, actually helps that proletariat to prove to the backward masses why such parliaments deserve to be done away with; it facilitates their successful dissolution, and helps to make bourgeois parliamentarianism “politically obsolete”. To ignore this experience, while at the same time claiming affiliation to the Communist International, which must work out its tactics internationally (not as narrow or exclusively national tactics, but as international tactics), means committing a gross error and actually abandoning internationalism in deed, while recognising it in word. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch07.htm >>2795345Attacking Trump is useless because he's dumb, old as fuck and on the way out. Targetting his lieutenant and the GOP at large is the good strategy, rare good insight from Jeffries.
The issue of Resist Libs was always their focus on Trump due to being butthurt by him and his lack of decorum
>>2795185This. Also they would make jokes about Kirk not Floyd.
>>2795471once a nazi always a nazi
>let my favorite western European social democrat explain why lenin is le wrong acktually
bad comedy
>>2795480>muh strawsYou clearly don’t know about the topic to create a valid statement. And you clearly haven’t read enough theory to understand what he was even doing.
>Having broken with his liberal bourgeois past, Pannekoek soon became a major force in the Leiden branch of the Social Democratic Workers’ Party (Sociaal-Demokratische Arbeiterspartij, SDAP). From there, he would become one of the major intellectual figures of the international Marxist radical left in the social democratic movement. This was at a time when mass strikes in the Low Countries, and the 1905 revolution in the Russian Empire, were throwing up new challenges to the increasingly reformist Social Democracy of the Second International. In the Netherlands itself, Pannekoek had seen the pathetic performance of his own SDAP in the mass strike wave of 1903, “which still represents the greatest labour dispute in the history of the Netherlands”.(13) The SDAP had at first supported the strikes but the leadership had later sabotaged them for fear that they were becoming too “political” (“politics” was something the Party leader, Troelstra, reserved for their Parliamentary group). Pannekoek led the denunciation of Troelstra for this betrayal: “Your flabby and hesitant conduct cannot but serve the possessing class and the government”.(14) It was his first concrete experience of the failure of a supposedly socialist party to support class action. It was an experience which would inform his position in his later debate with Karl Kautsky.
>Nevertheless, in 1904 it was Kautsky himself who invited him to Germany to work in the party school of the Social Democratic Party of Germany (Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands, SPD) in Berlin. He was soon forced to quit (like Karl Radek and Rudolf Hilferding) on the grounds that the police were threatening to deport them as “foreigners”. The Party, however, still paid for his writing and speaking activities, and he became very active in the Bremen Left, alongside Johann Knief and Paul Fröhlich in writing weekly for the Bremer Burger-Zeitung. His promising career as an astronomer was put on hold whilst he became a professional revolutionary. In this period Pannekoek wrote regularly for De Nieuwe Tijd and Die Neue Zeit, the latter edited by Kautsky, with whom he and his friend, the poet Herman Gorter, remained on good personal and political terms until 1910. By this time the Dutch Left around Gorter and Pannekoek had already been expelled from the SDAP in the Netherlands, and were making common cause with the Radical Left in German Social Democracy.
>The argument with Kautsky had begun in 1909 when the latter published his The Road to Power. Kautsky had earlier won the admiration of the Radical Left in the SPD for his defence of Marxist orthodoxy against the revisionism of Eduard Bernstein. But the “Marxist orthodoxy” of the SPD was now becoming a fossilised dogma which postponed the idea of socialism to some distant future, and demanded no more of the working class than votes for its parliamentary candidates. The SPD may have been the biggest socialist party in the world, with enormous resources from millions of workers, but it increasingly stood in the way of a genuine and active working class response to the new turn that capitalism was taking. Pannekoek shared with Rosa Luxemburg the realisation that the capitalism in the age of imperialism was more dangerous than ever.(15) Both saw that the working class was entering into more direct conflict with capitalism. They both saw in the mass strikes, which had developed in the early years of the twentieth century, the elemental and organised expression of working class consciousness. Curiously at this point, neither, as yet, saw the workers’ councils (soviets) established across the Russian Empire as anything significant, but they both put an emphasis on workers’ self-activity as an expression of the real and revolutionary movement of the class. And, at this point, both thought the role of the party was to give revolutionary expression to the mass movement. On the other hand, Kautsky, in The Road to Power, sought to combat the danger as he saw it of “disorganised action”. Like Troelstra, he put the emphasis on the Party and its ability to lead, discipline and control the class movement. There was a fatalist sense that socialism would come about simply through capitalism collapsing under the weight of its own contradictions. In the meantime all that was required of the working class was to vote the SPD into parliament and join its trade unions. Pannekoek rejected all of these assumptions in his 1912 polemic against Kautsky in Die Neue Zeit, Marxist Theory and Revolutionary Tactics.https://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2024-09-19/anton-pannekoek-as-a-revolutionary-marxist-a-review-article >>2795487yes MLsister you need to be literate and understand the history of the workers movement
>>2794795It's very #lion🦁 to just lie like this
>>2795485Blah blah blah
Nearly ever western “Marxist” is just a verbose Nazi who’s read the Manifesto
>>2795490>Blah blah blahStop demonstrating your illiteracy
>Nearly ever western “Marxist” is just a verbose Nazi who’s read the ManifestThis is embarrassing to read.
>>2795491>the social democracy of Pannekoek You don’t read. He met where the workers were and then criticized how they organized. Perfectly in line with theory. That’s all he did.
>>2795498Until you’ve overthrown a government you’re worthless and unworthy of any attention, yes that includes Marx and Lenin, I spit on westoids
>>2795491>>2795494>social democrats are socialist like hitler aFox news viewer tier
I dont even reañly like socdems but you guys are retarded
So much to criticize about the moddern scodem movement but you guys chose to seeth aboutade up bulshit
>>2795504Don’t care, die westoid
>>2795503Third worldism was a mistake
>>2795507It’s the only form of sober analysis, death to westoids
>>2795504You are FDR. You are class traitor.
>>2795509>>2795511You are exempt from sobriety
>>2795513Shut up drunkard
>>2795514Unlike leftkkkoms I at least wait for noon to start drinking
>>2795518Drinking in this economy, treatler?
>>2795506Well since you told me too
>>2795522I made it myself, which is arguably worse than treatler, it’s artisan, maybe even petit bourgeois
>>2795511You are Gonzalo
You think you are marxist but your just a retard holding everything bacl with the wrong line
Wjy do i waste time on this shit
>>2795532Because deep down it’s fun
Do you really think your success is based on having the “correct” party line? Naive
>>2795544As if muslims aren’t the biggest consumers of jonnie walker black label lol
when someone says the western population should support their murderous governments one should really ask how this statement benefits the one making it
>>2795557They already support their government tacitly by remaining in the country and paying taxes and working and consumption, their “private opinions” are not a factor
>>2795558Slavery was a choice—kanye west
>>2795558The western security apparatus actually considers the war for opinion to be of enormous importance, why would someone try to downplay their focus on it
>>2795464They go out of their way to dick ride trump every time he gets shot at
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/nonviolence-or-nonexistence-road-forward-after-white-house-correspondents-dinner-incident/ They say cuck pledge to never overthrow trump. It behooves us to reconnoiter that they are gerrymandering jim crow KKK. They are maga catholic theocratic. They are fascist.
>>2795566There’s two interpretations here you could take, one is that the security services themselves have an outdated view that public opinion still matters at all when the levers of power have been receding away for decades, the other is they have to use up all their budget lest it get cut for saving money and the opinion stuff is that money sink
>>2795557You just cracked the riddle of exploitation and imperialism and class conflict. How wise you are. All those roman proletarians who get free stolen bread from are in fact exploited and therefore allies of the slaves they crucify.
>>2795575The third is that you're just deliberately covering up massive psyops.
>>2795581They don’t even need psyops it’s just for a hammer every problem looks like a nail so they do it anyway even when it’s ineffective and wouldn’t matter, this is institutional ossification
>>2795580Weird take to obscure and hide the role of the patrician class, I wonder who would do this and way
>>2795585
Literal class apologism!
They're just heckin doing what they gotta!
>>2795588That’s all anyone is ever doing so moral condemnations are just what anyone uses to salve their ego
>>2795584What about the patrician class of israel? Do you think israeli proletarians will take kindly to anti-imperialist program of killing and deporting them all, minus israeli patrician propaganda
>>2795595When you rush to take the side of the American Zionist billionaires against the American working class then try to turn israel into a gotcha
The American system must be crushed by revolutionaries because the American system is the primary contradiction in the world today.
I literally will not hear a single word spoken against this narrative. Every single attempt to show otherwise is propaganda and psyops.
The American system must be crushed by revolutionaries because the American system is the primary contradiction in the world today.
I literally will not hear a single word spoken against this narrative. Every single attempt to show otherwise is propaganda and psyops.
The American system must be crushed by revolutionaries because the American system is the primary contradiction in the world today.
I literally will not hear a single word spoken against this narrative. Every single attempt to show otherwise is propaganda and psyops.
The American system must be crushed by revolutionaries because the American system is the primary contradiction in the world today.
I literally will not hear a single word spoken against this narrative. Every single attempt to show otherwise is propaganda and psyops.
The American system must be crushed by revolutionaries because the American system is the primary contradiction in the world today.
I literally will not hear a single word spoken against this narrative. Every single attempt to show otherwise is propaganda and psyops.
The American system must be crushed by revolutionaries because the American system is the primary contradiction in the world today.
I literally will not hear a single word spoken against this narrative. Every single attempt to show otherwise is propaganda and psyops.
The American system must be crushed by revolutionaries because the American system is the primary contradiction in the world today.
I literally will not hear a single word spoken against this narrative. Every single attempt to show otherwise is propaganda and psyops.
The American system must be crushed by revolutionaries because the American system is the primary contradiction in the world today.
I literally will not hear a single word spoken against this narrative. Every single attempt to show otherwise is propaganda and psyops.
The American system must be crushed by revolutionaries because the American system is the primary contradiction in the world today.
I literally will not hear a single word spoken against this narrative. Every single attempt to show otherwise is propaganda and psyops.
Mad how you've all shut the fuck up about Minnesota
>>2795595"Proletarian" Israelis also get marched into the Sea
>>2795601Nothing happenin there rn
>>2795601did it not fizzle?
>>2795599got it.
>>2795601I’m just waiting to see how the Iran situation plays out
>>2795530lassallebros… is it over… did we win…
>>2795507read mao anon's thread on the matter:
>>2767836 >>2795631I already did. This was my response:
>This thread shouldn’t even exist Was Cole Allen MKUltra'd?
>>2795635Facts tho
royalty still rules the "democracies" of the world
>>2795635unc thinks he's deadass a royal no cap
>>2795641europe doesnt catch enough shit for their feudal vestiges
>>2795640he's leaning into it to trigger da libs in the wake of no kings
>>2795354yes, they've done it two times. and it didn't mean anything. like so many people have amnesia. it's really weird and depressing.
Donald "we wuz kangz" Trump
>>2795354I think people keep confusing impeachment for being removed from office.
https://old.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/1sxe6eu/reddit_is_absolutely_more_deranged_then_twitter/The peter thiel matrix is trying to cringe shame normies away from obvious conspiracies, BELIEVE IN THE ALIENS BELIEVE IN THE JEWISH SPACE LASERS NOT SHIT THAT IS OBVIOUSLY A CONSPIRACY THAT IS LAME AND CRINGE. DON'T YOU WANT TO BE COOL, DON'T YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THE CRUEL KIDS CLUB
God these people fucking suck and I'm tired of urbanites who want to be like them. Holy Shit
>>2795701bro i will never listen to that shit, or read that sub, even out of hatred
>>2795689because they've been tricked into thinking one necessarily leads to the other. it's like so many other rugpulls people believe in
>>2795701This belongs in /isg/
>>2794699masque of the red death type shit
>>2793930I'm not sure if this is supposed to be an insult or not. I look like Sam Jackson?
>>2795635krill dmitriev talked a lot about trump's royal bloddline this is not new.
>>2795708Nta but in defense of OP, the subreddit for redscare (like hilariously many other podcast subs) is entirely divorced from the pod, and in fact mainly exists to hatelisten
>>2795701Redscare is an intentional fascist project organized by peter thiel to turn white women towards the far right and it should be treated like it.
>>2795736>>2795732You are correct. Redscare is almost entirely hate watched at this point. They're basically lolcows
>>2795734
Oh so you were going for his character in Django specifically? I mean, you kind of fucked up in that regard 'cause this just looks like regular old Sam Jackson.
>>2795734
Factory status?
>>2795734
felix the philistine
>>2795732A snark sub. That's actually more pathetic.
>>2795740You mean to tell me that a character played by Sam Jackson looks like Sam Jackson? Shocking.
Im sure you thought of your Pentagon-vetted MCU first, since you are a willing and enthusiastic consumer of fascist propaganda.
>>2795748lol as if it weren't embarrassing enough to be a USA citizen now you have to identify yourself with
that shit in foreign countries
>>2795754the director of Django lives in Tel Aviv so there's not a whole lot of room to talk
>>2795752I don't understand what does this have to do with ICE if she's a US citizen?
>>2795762Gestapo wannabes
>>2795762they made a hillary clinton photo.
>>2795748This will drive the liberals to become stateless, and i’m all for it.
>>2795769>This will drive the liberals to become statelesspf, yeah, sure they will be stateless. the people known to stay inside institutions will circumvent institutions.
>>2795752>>2795764I get that they're trying to rehabilitate their image by going after people that hurt the heckin cute chungus smol bean kittens but it's very far from being the most insane thing.
>>2795756You know I hear they're saying it's increasingly unadvised for Americans to travel abroad
>>2795759I mean Felix openly praises the IDF so I don't think he cares that Tarantino is a Zionist
>>2795748thank god i have dual citizenship and can use a different passport
Is the iran war over what happened to the thread
Anyway how can I talk my comrades out of this disastrous red aid idea and convince them that the only way forward is putting weapons in hands and waging an active struggle against the government?
>>2795785If they’re part of a “socialist” org with a history of social fascism and class collaboration like the PSL or DSA then you should only be “convincing” them with repeated machine gun fire. They are at best a detriment to the real movement and are likely actively militantly opposed to communism in practice
>>2795779And your political party provides material aid to the US government which is the single largest and most steadfast supporter of the Zionist project, to such an extent that even they admit they could not fight for a week without their support.
>>2795784the most recent one is at 612 on the catalog, so it's full and sinbad hasn't baked a new one yet
>>2795748Fuck I've been putting off getting a passport, guess I need to get that shit done soon before they implement this monstrosity.
>>2795752How many different federal police agencies are there?
FBI
US Marshalls
ATF
DEA
ICE
Border Patrol
US Customs
USPSIS
US Forest
>>2795805Even nasa has a swat team
>>2795764>>2795771>>2795805yall missing the point!
they put a hillary clinton picture.
>>2795817are we sure the lady doesn't just happen to resemble hilldawg
>>2795754>>2795762HSI is 1 half of ice and they are responsible for crimes that occur in other countries but involve america like someone in Finland paying for a monkey torture vid
And they also are supposed to go after csam
They are lead agency for computer csam (catching it that is cia is probably no 1 at making it)
>>2795805department of energy has not well known police force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Protective_Forcesbut it makes sense since they cover nuclear sites.
>>2795850I don't give a fuck about hillary, I am depicting how insane it is that they are running character assassinations over political enemies using photoshop slops. they won't stop at hildawg.
We need a new thread, a ba'alroom thread
#BuildTheBa'alroomThread
>>2795862The last 2 Charles got got
>>2795862>political acts of violence 'will never succeed'The country he is in says otherwise lol
>>2795785What red aid idea?
>>2794272This has value in that it's important to build community and not be anti-fun, but this can't be the PRIMARY way to combat fascism. It's like saying you fight ongoing cancer by eating right and exercising, and ignoring the chemo.
>>2795911>GoyslopOutrageous, everyone knows the correct term is prolefeed
New thread
>>2795922New thread
>>2795922New thread
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>>2795922>>2795817Fuck Hilary. I will never defend her, she can choke to death on Trump's anus.
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