Official /leftybritpol/ Themehttps://youtu.be/u6XT3yc8G5sDiscuss goings on in the UK, the latest election cycle, if Keir is Queer and more….in /leftybritpol/
>>2807472
GREEN SURGE
>>2807472
Disappointing that Labour held that many seats still but Green performance is still good, hopefully next time they can take even more
>>2807430
Marxist-Leninism isn't the same as communism, perhaps that explains your confusion
Reform are going to collapse faster than Lizz Truss, you can already see in councils they already control
>No, LGBT+ laws lead to LGBT education. In most communist countries, sexual liberality is viewed as bourgeois decadence; they certainly don't have gay pride parades.
Lets just ignore Cuba, not think about China's open trans scene for centuries or discuss BF's polyandry
>>2807484
I read some shit recently about who voted for reform and its like 11% ex-lab voters, more tories died than that.
Its part ex-labour but also reform managed to get the 'im never voting and i live forever on universal credit' crowd.
>>2807485
No. What's your point though.
>>2807490It's insane how Reform have just absorbed 90% of ex Tory politicians, yet the average retard is treating them like some new outsider party
>>2807493
true but reform managed to spur the type who would never vote into voting from the under/working class, its what labour is missing.
>>2807493
Red wall hasn't existed for decades, can we just stop going on about it
>>2807499
It's not the only factor to do so but actual communism would necessarily liberate people from traditional gender roles etc
So, will reform councils finally fill in the potholes?
>>2807486It's crazy how Tories just dynamited their party with Sunak.
>>2807490#boomercide now
>>2807507We know from Herodotus reporting on the Scythians they had a n important cast of effeminate/female looking male born shamans, possibly eunuchs. And they were a super violent pastoralist nomadic culture not cozy peasants.
A non-Abrahamic peasantry being familiar with transgenderism doesnt strike me as odd. Though i know very little about non-indo european transgenderism so don't quote me on that.
>>2807534Third genderism and transgenderism are two different things though
>>2807534Right, human history is complicated, so I don't appreciate any one-sided determinism. Culture is free.
>>2807599Sket was hanging about with Epstein and Diddy 😆😭
fuck reactionaries and TERFs (they're the same ppl) we need to abolish gender read up on xenofeminism tyvm
>>2807599Must be like sticking your cock in a whoopie cushion
Republican demo was boring and small lol. All the libs were off masturbating Plaid Cymru as they got sworn in the Senedd. On the other hand there was a successful confrontation with auditors.
>>2807603Xenofeminism is pro-gender not anti-gender (literally the gender-critical orthodoxy of TERFdom). Blud doesn't even know. 😂💅🏻
>>2807603Gender abolitionism is retarded and a post gender world would some anthropic bullshit devoid of alterity and not worth living in. Most gender abolitionist are insane radfems or nonbinary landwhales.
>>2807537The point is they had male born people adopting a lifelong female appearance and a different social role from male, oftentime undegroing body modifications in the process. They also had mythology and tales relating to changing genders.
Saying it has nothing to with transgenderism would be like saying ancient gayreeks fucking each others in the ass had nothing to do with homosexuality.
Neither map 1:1 with our current definition of trans/gay but it's just obtuse to say they arent very closely related.
Labour MP has launched a SCUD at the leadership and you uyghas wanna talk about being gay with your friends
VERY unserious general, VERY disrespectful
>>2807623Gender abolition is not really materialist, because you can't really abolish the superstructure (gender) of the base (sex). Sex abolition is the real struggle that will take place in the future with more advanced technology (human factories, bionics etc.). I think leftists focusing too much on gender is really stupid and they are missing the real revolutionary demand when it comes to trans people which is healthcare. Capitalism will never be able to deliver healthcare to all trans people because surgeries are expensive, so even with the whole world being being 'accepting' and giving you the right pronouns or whatever, third-world colonized countries (which are an integral part of capitalism) will not be able to provicde surgeries to trans people. And right now it's impossible to get these surgeries if you are a normal person even in first world countries. The demand for trans surgeries is the actual revolutionary part everyone is missing because they'd rather be toxic woke pretending sexual dimorphism doesn't exist.
>>2807618xenofeminism is explicitly anti sex essentialist and wants to utilise technology to abolish the gender binary so each individual can freely express their identity however they want meaning full autonomous freedom for trans people to modify their bodies or live as they want
>>2807506
No. But it is highly desirable for actual communism. Obviously LGBT rights etc are not inherently communist
>>2807653
Very pickme coded response
>>2807692
Cope, seethe, etc etc
>>2807682
Why not simply accept the fact no one wants you here and move on?
>>2807690
Well exactly, that's the point isn't it?
>Communism is when the state withers away and other people care what I shove up my arse
Dialectical insight comrade
>>2807766What else would anyone care about outside town drama?
>>2807801Cannot wait to see the catastrophe that are Reform run councils
>Keir Starmer has vowed to remain Prime Minister for another eight years and says he will resist any leadership challenge
"I’m not going to walk away from the job I was elected to do in July 2024"
[@ObserverUK]
Just have Sinn Fein run both islands, why not? Gerry Adams for PM
>>2807834A car bomb for every street I say
>>2807837It wouldn’t be worse than Labour or Tories
>>2807811
the withdrawal in question is simply joining up with the usa
The house of Windsor are literally small boat migrants and welfare queens
>>2807834Their participation in British general elections is solely to get voted and then not show up at the house of commons, never seen a party do this elsewhere, even when communists get elected they bother showing up.
>>2807862
Not even, Reform is pro israel and clearly Trump isn't leaving the middle east any time soon.
If he weren't so countrarian he'd be glad the UK is dissolving itself
>>2807873
>crypto-Falangist backwater who’s main contribution to anti-imperialism was sending mercenaries to fuck with decolonization movements in Africa
He said Havana, not Moscow.
>>2807888
I'm not pro green party, I simply wish to see the end of the accomplishment of the heros of 1916.
>>2807934He's that dellusional to think he's going to get a second term ? His party is Fourth in the polls, lmfao.
>>2807938if you believe in it hard enough, you can make anything happen, or so they say
>>2807859how is it withdrawing from imperialism to simply broaden it far wider?
>>2807834Sinn Fein can go fuck themselves. They are upholding British Imperialism.
>>2807811
You're a kautskyite retard going "long live the butcher hitler" type shit. But it is true that Plaid Cymru are imperialist and would join the EU imperialist bloc. They also cannot gain us independence.
>>2807938where can I find the final vote share for the council elections? no website seems to show it for some reason
>>2807485
That isn't the hypothesis. The hypothesis, oversimplified, is that:
Communism is the highest state of economic and social development
As societies develop economically and socially, they are more gay
Therefore, communism will be incredibly gay.
A communist governed socialist country has not achieved communism, and indeed none of them claim to have achieved "communism." There is no "more" or "less" communism in this sense. It is like saying that you have done "more" moon landings than me because you've been in a plane and I haven't. You cannot have "more" or "less" of a binary condition, it is either done or not done, true or false, on or off.
You ignored this last thread because you have no counter.
>>2807964I think we are past peak TERFy things seem to be normalising.
Britons LARPing that the EU is a major power rather than the world's biggest flop will never stop being pathetic. "There are hypothetical lexit scenarios that were good, so actually existing Brexit is good" - terminal labour brain. Ignore the actualité, think how good life is in dreams!
>>2807934What project of renewal? The only person with any fucking vision in the Cabinet is Miliband, literally EVERYTHING good out of the Starmer regime right now, including the stopping of going to war with Iran, was purely Miliband.
Which is the member of the cabinet Starmer, Streeting, Reeves and Labour Together have been manuvering to knife out of the cabinet for several years now? Miliband.
All Starmer had to do was follow the 2017 manifesto, just more pragmatically, and he would probably be sitting on 40%+ of the vote. But instead they did everything to turn Labour into the Wet Tory Zionist party. Where the fuck is the "renewal" coming from?
>>2808149
>What produces queerness is alienation,
proofs???
>>2808149
I do not accept the premise that queerness is caused by alienation, my experience is that straight people (especially straight men) are much more alienated than queers and that's why they're much more likely to become repugnant freaks who think fascism can absolve them of the responsibility of finding meaning in their life.
You do not understand the full scope of a phrase like "social development", which does not just refer to having nice social views. let me explain what I mean: Democracy is a social development, even when it leads to illiberal results. It is a "social technology" if you like. All the warm stuff about letting people decide isn't why democracy, even bourgeois democracy, even Britain's fake managed democracy, is a development on what came before. It's an objective improvement because it greatly increases the chances of a peaceful transfer of power and greatly reduces the chance that the governing faction that loses power starts a civil war in an attempt to regain it, since it's basically always cheaper and more effective to put your resources into winning the next election 5 years down the line.
It is not a question of what I like. Even if I am wrong and actually, a prerequisite of communism is to be utterly reactionary (perhaps we really do have to become hyper-specialized little ant people), I would remain correct on the point that it is a binary state: no country on earth today is communist. Many are governed by communists who wish to implement communism in the future, but this is not the same thing.
Think of it this way: do Scottish Independentists governing Scotland mean that Scotland is now independent? No. They wish it to be so, but they have not yet achieved their aim. This, too, would remain true if the SNP flipped and became deeply reactionary. Independence in this case is a binary condition too.
>>2808178
That is not what alienation means in the standard definition.
>the feeling of disconnection, estrangement, or isolation from society, others, or oneself, often resulting in powerlessness or lack of belonging
Now even if we avoid any value judgement here, my contention would be that queers have a higher sense of belonging than straights. (Though I will admit in advance that this is slightly unfalsifiable, as I wouldn't trust survey data to accurately capture this one way or the other.)
I would accept going for the Marxist definition, but you can't just play humpty dumpty and go "when I say alienation, I really mean something closer to objectification" and expect others to get it instantly. I do not on the whole disagree that our connection to the body is lower, and that this is one factor in current changing sexual norms, but I would slot it neatly into my point: if we're going to have computers and the internet under communism, you are going to have this underlying material phenomenon, and that is going to drive queer behavior, or allow people to instantiate an underlying queerness. I come to my view by looking at underlying technological trends, not by fantasizing about whether we'll have ice cream under communism. (We'll certainly have ice cream machines!)
i feel bad for Zak Polanski tbh. saw him on TV on election day and realized that he's much more Corbyn-like in personality than people online let on.
e.g. he's basically a nice guy (independent of his politics), and that nice guy is going to be personally targeted by the media, every establishment institution of this country, and members of his own party dumb or nasty enough to take the bait, all in the hopes of breaking him personally.
>>2808211I don't think the greens will backstab him like Labour did to Corbyn tho, and, despite the media trying, I don't think anyone is going to believe he's antisemitic considering he's jewish.
>>2807964lmfao
>>2808016You are going to have a trans culture war in the UK until all the second wave feminists in the NGO & Journo blob in the country are retired anon. It will outlive the trans culture war anywhere else.
But yes transgods will win anyway, the terf-lgb-bnwo axis cannot win because they are trying to fight the telos of their worldview. In a way low autism score US evangelitard are way less delusional than the """EHC""" gender critical british bourgeoisie on the matter because they understand than you cant combat modern trans identity using past liberation rethoric.
Though they will also fail because no ones like church ladies and beardfags like matt walsh telling you what you can jack off to and how to live your life.
>>2808211He's a nice guy like Corbyn but politics isnt for nice guys and "fairness". It's dog eat dog. Also he is incredibly ugly i am not superficial person but god damn. He look like he have a chromosome disability or something.
>>2808215He won't face betrayal but does he have the balls to overcome the attacks against him and bring Greens on top?
>>2808235I think he's cute tbh. Like he could be prime minister of some woke little scandi country. Shame he drew the short straw like us.
>>2808235>You are going to have a trans culture war in the UK until all the second wave feminists in the NGO & Journo blob in the country are retired anon. It will outlive the trans culture war anywhere else.I think they will end up like anti-gay marriage conservatives in this country. Their fundamental issue is that their rhetoric is woke (because they are middle class liberals) and that is falling apart under the pendulum. The issue is though is that the "Patriot Right" is picking most of this up and is more actively violent. For the cause of trans rights this helps because some balding divorced guy assaulting a Women MP for "supporting the transgenders" (real happened in manchester) is obviously a benefit to the trans cause but the downside is more direct act of violence against individuals.
>>2808254also, aside from that, I have seen multiple clips of him now arguing with interviewers over stuff like 'well so and so is connected with this party, that's unfair' or whatever. which sometimes is warranted perhaps but I feel like mostly just makes him look petulant.
>>2808254Oh good, so he has that necessary ambition, evil and desire to amass and keep power
>>2808259He's a careerist yes, not sure that's a good thing
Actually bodacious un-PC take from none other than health guru Andre Wang-Lin:
https://archive.is/VzwkE>>2808272>Daily Stormer You forgot your flag
>>2808290Still a politically incorrect but factually correct take on the antipedo-slop that has captured the impressionable minds of millions of hysterical chuds and gammons who want to burn Britain down and gift the land to plutocrat Musk to be used as an American neocolony in the name of said slop.
Honestly, if the pimps were pale as snowhite this “scandal” would have been chalked up to being juvenile delinquency, with said pimps never being upgraded by feminazis from pimplords and drug barons to le grumers. Say what you want, but you’d have to be deeply moronic to think this shit is worth over Britain’s sovereignty. This article makes good points on the present idolatry of victimhood:
https://archive.ph/uKUQK >>2808271Well, fuck, man. What do you want? Corbyn's ineptitude? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Corbyn wants to win an election.
Zultana wants to play TikTok-revolutionary and end up with 1.5% of votes.
/leftybritpol/ are juvenile and display lumpen mental lethargy.
>>2808317>Zultana wants to play TikTok-revolutionary and end up with 1.5% of votes. Corbyn's Your Party is polling 0% and won 2 cllrs yesterday.
>>2808327All thanks to thr Zultana sabotage since Day 1. With friends like this…
>>2808327It's over now, they humilated themselves and the greens took their electorate, they won't be relevent anymore.
>>2808317Every thread I've read here talking about your party was calling them shit lol
>>2808340Zultana didn't force Corbyn not to found a party for 18th months, she didn't force Adnan Hussain to go around attacking antifascists then disappear (bit sus), nor did she force the Corbyn team to fuck over Scotland so hard they missed out the most favourable Holyrood elections for socialists since 2009.
>>2808355Agreed, they are going around endorsing slumlords because of their ethnicity regardless though.
>>2808311There's nothing wrong with being ambitious but I don't believe that someone who weaponises them being Jewish is a trustworthy person. I mean he even changed his name to sound more Jewish, that's kinda insane don't you think?
>>2808317Corbyn and his lot are the ones who stopped Your Party from actually running any candidates in the election. Zarah et al aren't perfect but at least they did actually want to push forward left wing politics.
>>2808340She has never been in charge of the party, you can't just blame everything on her
>>2808317Corbyn doesn't want to win an election, he doesn't want to lead a party at all. Zarah on the other hand is more opportunist, but she's clearly been frozen out and would probably defect to the Greens if she hadn't burned her bridges with them and all but guaranteed her local greens would refuse to nominate her as their candidate
Corbyn, his wife and his handlers were behind the decision to embrace Adnan Hussein and open the can of worms that is reactionary TERF landlordism which guaranteed that Polanski got to eat YP's lunch. Corbyn is still pals with the fucker!
>>2808254None of this disproves the claim that he's nice. Someone can be a careerist politician and yet perfectly amicable. (The fact our careerists are mostly utter cunts and incapable of hiding that fact is one of the failures of our status quo.)
Equally someone can be a cunt and have great politics.
>>2808401Can someone please explain what is going on in Corbyn's head? What does this fucker want???
>>2808407he just wants to potter in his garden tending to his cucumbers and go to peace and justice protests and the occasional palestine demo.
>>2808407>What does this fucker want???Happy wife. Happy life.
>>2808412
blah blah blah, get a job and no one likes you
>>2808412>Hormones are in fact, super dangerous to fuck around with https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s44192-025-00216-3t. person who doesn't know what they're talking about.
("increased risk of cardiovascular events" sounds really bad until you realize: wait, women have higher incidence of such events than men. of course taking HRT will elevate your risk in this way! they make you sign a form confirming you understand this!
who cares.)
anyway, even if you were right on all of this, TERF types are such freakish liabilities that it'd be worth signing up to everything you claim just to exclude them. no transwoman has ever engaged in the kind of protracted wrecking campaign against her own party of the sort seen in the SNP's TERF-wing flouncing. if transwomen cause harm to anyone, it is mostly to themselves, while TERFs are the thin end of a wedge that ends with a communist party not being allowed to exclude landlords who want to abolish tax from becoming communist candidates because the candidate has an EA2010 protected belief that they're entitled to their tenant's money.
Transgenderism is a sacred cow here, it seems. This, despite the fact that transgenderism itself is a liberal imperialist project floating up mainly due to the efforts of the PMC rather than any grassroots efforts, with trans rights itself being a bourgeois ideology itself. Funny that.
>>2808450It isn't, it's just the resident schizoid who turns every thread into an anti-TERF discussion
>>2808450Welcome back, Adolf Hitler.
i mean really look at the sort of thing he's trying to pass off as solid evidence that HRT is "super dangerous to fuck around with"
>A recent systematic review and meta-analysis of the incidence of breast cancer among transgender women calculated a standardized incidence ratio (SIR) of 22.5 (95% CI 5.54–91.8) in comparison to non-TGNB men translation: transwomen who take estrogen to grow tits have higher incidence of
breast cancer than men who don't do that. (do not google the difference in breast cancer risk between cis men and cis women.)
>>2808450to believe transgenderism is a "liberal imperialist project" is to imagine that
the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland is at the vanguard of anti-imperialism.
>>2808451i will say that my views are best described as anti-TERF instead of pro-trans. i think trans people are basically irrelevant scapegoats and oddballs, but that there's a near 1:1 correlation between being a TERF and being a bastard in general. i am relatively indifferent to standard conservative anti-transgenderism, but it's an endangered species since they often pick up TERF rhetoric and ragebait.
(e.g. Peter Hitchens' "Women cannot have a penis, and you cannot have a supreme court in a country where parliament is supreme" - funny line!)
>>2808450blah blah blah, more whining, no one wants you here you cunt
CPB are so obsessed with bashing one specific minority, trans people, that they self imploded leaving behind only the ossified boomer labourites at the top of the party.
CPGB-ML were always a weird cult of Duginites who have party mandated haircuts and dress codes and so forth too so who is really surprised they hate LGBT people?
Social reactionary ideology must be killed, it exists to destroy and fragment the left from within. These parties and all other ACP / MAGA communist bullshit needs to die.
Like really, people here saying trans is somehow "liberal" and "imperialist"??? Explain how. Explain yourself. Explain how those terms link to being trans.
Would you also say the same about gay people? What about black people? The disabled? Is being female liberal and imperialist too?
You've become a total mockery of the most insufferable type of "communist" who really are really closer to Hitler than Marx in terms of ideology.
>>2808471
Nazis burnt books on trans healthcare and put trans people in concentration camps. You are just a far right troll now engaged in holocaust denial.
>>2808475The majority of engagement by transgender advocates is based on achieving civil representation within bourgeois democracy
Your identity does not qualify you as inherently revolutionary, as deep as your obsession may be. Class is the founding principal of our mutual struggle, and I care more for those who have starved due to austerity than some cunt whose passing notion of political engagement is writing screeds on twitter 24/7 about "TERFs"
>>2808475>>2808483The fact that you cannot desynchronize gender from your own blend of whatever and however so defined your political views are speaks yard to every self respecting socialist
If you want to rant about TERFs, fuck off and do so in a group chat with the Greens
>>2808475The CPGB-ML are fun crazy but the CPB are just sad. Their response to the GRR veto and subsequent court case was one of the most embarrassing things a communist party has ever done. (A true communist always demands observation of the Sewell convention and full compliance with all demands of the UK supreme court, an entirely legitimate and not in the least bourgeois body.)
I'm not saying they had to say something pro-trans, but they could've said nothing, either literally nothing or "a plague on all your houses" to both holyrood and the supreme court, with a promise that only communism will fix everything.
>>2808485then they will rant about terfs, since you are one, now get out you cunt
>>2808483I also think class is foundational, the difference is that I've seen those who thought nation was foundational suddenly find all their anti-trans representatives actually endorse the UK supreme court telling their nation it ceased to exist and has no rights, because the immediate effect of this was to prevent a token piece of pro-trans legislation.
I would quite like any class first organisation to avoid making the same mistake.
>>2808489This isn't your hugbox you delusional little retard. Fuck off back to hexbear
>>2808493it is actually, and because of that, no one wants to tolerate your nonsense and concern-trolling, as a result of that you will be pushed off, it's really that simple mate
>>2808496There's more than one poster here who despises you and your little hobby horse, and likewise actual socialist or revolutionary views will not be banned so you can whimper unimpeded about your doomed little cult obsession
>>2808499if this were true, you wouldn't have been banned for divisive nonsense like terfism
>its another debating with the fake 'communist' terf just asking questions mega pedo episode
Just dont give them the (you) report and move on comrades, if they want to holocaust denial they only smear shit on their own faces, dont try to lick it off.
>>2808502Again you mouth breathing retard that was a different person
Continue stroking yourself with your gender infitada
>>2808506>gender infitadalol
>>2808450We are more anti-radfem than we are pro-trans objectively. Being anti-radfem is like being anti-likudnik now it's just logical if you don't want your political organization to be subverted by tuncoats and have it collapse upon itself like what happenned to SNP and Labour. Even the American Democrats are aware of that fact despite being mainly a center-right normalfag party.
>>2808483>The majority of engagement by transgender advocates is based on achieving civil representation within bourgeois democracyWhat in the hell are you talking about? Trans people wanting basic rights within the current society means they're agents of the bourgeoisie or some bs?
You expect trans people to wait until the revolution before they can ask for rights?
Was the abolition of slavery, civil rights, end of apartheid also all bourgeois crap that shouldn't have happened?
You are totally deranged and made insane by your all consuming irrational seething hatred to this one specific group of people.
Trans people are much more likely to be on the radical left than your average person because they're at the blunt end of the current system and oppression.
But what, it's fine to bash them because you believe based on no evidence the majority of them aren't communists?
By that logic, kill everyone, because most people today aren't regardless of minority status, so why single out one minority unless you're just a transphobe?
>Your identity does not qualify you as inherently revolutionary, as deep as your obsession may be. Class is the founding principal of our mutual struggle, and I care more for those who have starved due to austerity than some cunt whose passing notion of political engagement is writing screeds on twitter 24/7 about "TERFs"Nobody no trans person ever claimed that simply by being trans it makes you revolutionary. This is a nonsense strawman you've invented for yourself to again use to bash trans people, which appears to be your primary hobby. Must be nice to be so privileged in life as to be able to afford to spend all your time bashing minorities and feeling self righteous about it you Hitlerian bourgeois dog.
You think trans people aren't disproportionately affected by poverty? Aren't working class?
Of course in your mind, for trans people their only property is their transness, because you don't view them as full people with complex inner lives, but rather as a useful scapegoat you can harass and insult to enjoy some school ground bully type catharsis.
You have no idea as to the direct abuse minorities face day to day. You are a social fascist and clearly view that seething hatred and right to attack minorities as more important than any notion of class struggle or solidarity.
>>2808485Politics is more than just reducing everything to a black Vs white issue of class war and a notion that all minorities must be vapourised into paste because how dare they mention anything besides class.
Read some fucking theory, even from Marx onwards there has always been very clearly laid out a discussion and elaboration on social matters, on their relation to class, a whole range of other issues besides just pure class struggle.
>>2808513The pinnacle "I'm smarter than you post so I get to talk nonstop about my retarded world views" post
Very good
>>2808515Okay so you don't have a response other than to mock me, I accept your concession. You can go back to stormfront or wherever you came from now.
I love to situate my ideal of the working class (footage of guys singing the red flag at militant meetings circa 1984) against actually existing reality (green voting Greggs worker who grew up on tumblr)
If only she didn't believe in such nonsense, I wouldn't have to be so angry all the time…
I swear to Marx there could a big button you press that would cause a communist revolution but also would mean trans people have full and equal rights and acceptance in society, and a second button that would mean eternal fascism but you're free to bash trans people and you would pick the second and come up with some excuse about how it was actually the right choice because trans people are somehow ontologically, biologically, hard-coded to be secret spies for some shadowy evil and their continued existence is a distraction from the topic of class therefore they must all be eradication or some such bs.
I find it hilarious how this thread managed to go from being about British politics to transhumanists henpecking others into accepting their own views (i.e., gender ideology) as the absolute truth. Truly, this should be renamed as /transleftypol/.
Let’s face it: Transphobia is popular, and won’t go away from long because, unlike homophilia and transphilia, transphobia and homophobia have more populist buyback. Like, ultimately you can’t blame TERFs for transhumanists getting on proles’ nerves since transhumanists in general are quite insufferable as this thread proves. Both TRAs and TERFs are two sides of the same coin, and feed off of each other.
With that said, let’s be clear: PROLETARIAN ISSUES TAKE PRECEDENCE ABOVE EVERYTHING
>>2808573great, now get a job
>>2808573I find it hilarious how this thread managed to go from being about British politics to n-ggers henpecking others into accepting their own views (i.e., critical race theory) as the absolute truth. Truly, this should be renamed as /blackleftypol/.
Let’s face it: Racism is popular, and won’t go away from long because, unlike anti-racism, racism has more populist buyback. Like, ultimately you can’t blame the white supremacists for n-ggers getting on proles’ nerves since n-ggers in general are quite insufferable as this thread proves. Both anti-racists and white nationalist skinheads are two sides of the same coin, and feed off of each other.
See how stupid and hitlerian you sound when it's any other minority?
Apparently transphobes can't see how they sound because they've dehumanised trans people so much. Maybe using a different minority will give you perspective.
>Trans bashing
>denial that LGBT people were killed in the Holocaust
>Linking LGBT identities to the Nazis
>Says Anarchists are the same as Fascists
When did this turn into a CPGB-ML / ACP forum?
>>2808584
This is unironically holocaust denialism
Whatever I'll try again tomorrow, jannies please clear up all the social fascist minority bashing and holocaust denial by Nazis/NazBols/CPGB-ML/Duginists/TERFs
It's crazy to me how any of you are constantly waiting in the sides to jump in and turn the thread into a dogshit bin fire at first opportunity.
>>2808589
Got any other nonsensical fascist bile you want to spew while you're here?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/10/starmer-faces-perilous-24-hours-streeting-readying-leadership-bidRayner warns Starmer to change direction as Streeting preparing leadership bidLefty sisters, is Streering OUR GUY?
what can you even do when someone just says "your entire minority group are rapist paedophiles"?
no point engaging which such shit, just report it.
if someone said that about blacks, jews, gays then people would see how insane it is.
but for some reason it's still tolerated to attack trans people like this…
>>2808602It isn't tolerated except in reactionary circles
It's posted here because this thread is haunted by two unironic Nazis who continually post evocative horseshit in order to derail the thread and get banned
>>2808595Streeting will be more of exactly the same if anything maybe slightly more right wing. It would be the death of Labour the same as Starmer that said I can still see him being elected.
>>2808611Find it hilarious that Streeting privately admits that a genocide is being waged in Gaza yet will not act on this for fear of losing any potential power he has
>>2808573Il make the next threads title /transleftypol/ just to piss you off
>>2808595>is Streering OUR GUY?Yes. He'll be the final nail in the coffin of the labour right and party more generally.
>>2808607>It's posted here becausePeople here always bite. So eager for it they'll have got their replies in the single-digit minutes between post and deletion.
Throw the pedouyghur from a Helicopter
>>2808653cook the pedofag in a wok to feed starving children
>>2808407Corbyn wants to communism (do nothing with his buddies) and grill
>>2808653drown them in cow shit
They are doing meme magick on my favorite image board…
fellas make sure to do rituals to protect yourself against hyperstition formation in your subconscious
Protection rituals are PARAMOUNT to stopping the fascist epsteinian Memetic Magick that we know now is actively and purposefully cultivated to destroy communities
WORKERS
SPIRITUAL
MOBILIZATION
NOW
>>2808657
Now explain why the UK is less bourgeois and less imperialist than every other western country
>>2808676
>>2808672
still isn't gonna change the fact that you may as well be feed to a crowd of starving children, big terf
>>2808672
Meds schizo pedouyghur
>>2808676
Your reply suggests you are illiterate and did not understand the post you are replying to. It is premised on drawing out the logic of the opposite idea as presented by >>2808657
: if anti-trans is anti-imperialist and vice versa, it follows that the UK must be anti-imperialist on account of being anti-trans.
Imagine being transphobic AND a pedophile, like bruh pick a fucking struggle
missed all the deleted posts but doesn't surprise me one bit the person obsessed with bring up how evil trans people are was also a paedophile
>>2808682all of the ones i see are like nazi transphobes or tumblr radqueer transracial nazigender therians
>>2808682We used to beat people like that with hammers in the town square as people clapped
>>2808663leftist occultism really is a weird rabbit hole although doesn't seem like theres any particular works of theory one can point to elaborate on it exactly
>>2808687
Odd that you cite American examples and refuse to develop on any UK specifics, despite this being the British thread.
YANKEE GO HOME
Remember when the trans obsessed troll got banned before and janny clarified they'd also been making pro-anorexia posts elsewhere on the site?
Clearly not a well person, there's no point entertaining and responding to them just ignore it.
>>2808682>>2808686>>2808685>>2808683Heterosexual Pedophilia is more naturalistic and evolutionary advantageous than gender dysphoria tbh as heterosexual pedophilia has the potential for reproduction, unlike transgenderism.
Well, whatever. The UK is a lost cause, and trans-bashing will be back on the menu. Let’s see then how much will your cries of “we are valid unlike le ebil pedoes” will convince the gammons not to beat you up. I don’t wish for violence, but don’t expect bigots to feel sympathy for other bigots.
(user glows) >>2808690Same can be said for Labour and the Tories and the Libdems and the Greens honestly. What are they if not part of the same liberal establishment?
Your petty nitpicking notwithstanding.
>>2808694Drive to your nearest psychiatric hospital and commit yourself for the safety of society you paedophile freak
>>2808688I need Leftist occultism take on left-hand path chaos magick
Btw left-hand path is all about influencing material reality whereas right-hand path is about upholding existing power structures and eliminating desire for change so that's a funny coincidence
>>2808696Labour, Tories, and to a lesser extent libdems are anti trans. the greens aren't, but also aren't a governing party. this is what I am insisting you explain: why is Britain's liberal establishment so illiberal?
>>2808705othering minorities is a requirement for liberalism to function in order to create a reserve army of labour.
Roundhouse kick a the pedouyghur into concrete
>>2808715well hold on i think we need to believe in restorative justice you know…
>>2808708well yes, but that doesn't work if you also argue that the transgender minority are promoted by the bourgeoisie to justify imperialism abroad. you can't say "these are a bunch of pervert freaks and we're bombing Iran for not being nice to them"
(Iran of all countries is the funny one because by developing world standards and certainly by islamic standards, they're alright on trans rights! doesn't stop them being carpet bombed by an anti-trans president, mind you…)
>>2808705Not really, otherwise it’d be like in Uganda LOL. Stop coping shitlib, the UK is as pro-trans as the USA is, and both are the hotbeds of modern liberalism. Read:
https://xcancel.com/InfraHaz/status/1697412811779973177 >>2808726it goes both ways, its a wheel where sometimes the minority is on the top of the wheel shining in the sun with hollow non-material concessions given to them.
The wheel always spins in time to crush them.
>>2808732you have to get a job
>>2808732>Liberalism is when you tolerate the existence of minorities >REAL communism when when you're a nazbols duginite MAGA communist e-grifterYou are a Nazi.
>>2808732>Read: InfraHazOkay, thats funny.
What's the most painless suicide method, literally got fuck all to live for and I just want to go out in the kindest way
Was thinking heroin overdose but I'd probably fuck up finding a vein
>>2808732dying of natural causes in your sleep after a long well lived life
>>2808773Global warming induced suicide it is
Never commit suicide.
>>2808842
Forcing gendered language to be reconsidered is a good thing. It's utterly retarded and not remotely necessary for pragmatic communication.
Want to have gendered language anyway for a laugh? Go make a conlang, remember to overuse diacritics for no clear reason, slam together unpronounceable clusters of consonants, and make every word a root without any derivation whatsoever since you're wedded to dumb ideas.
>>2808881of course there's nonce shit in the nonce island thread, living up to your people's culture swimmingly huh. Big fan of prince andrew?
here's a video of how your story ends btw
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39047825/ian-watkins-stumbles-jail-cell-murder-video/>>2808896
>>2808899>>2808896>>2808895>>2808888This is western imperialism. This is what trans rights are. The notion that trans rights would survive as a popular issue without the support of the western bourgeoisie ignores the lack of popular support for trans rights as woke declined.
So, to no one’s surprise, the fallback of trans rights has been upon western imperialism, from Gaza to Africa, from the western working classes to the east. Dear TRAs, that’s your home. Those are your folks: NATO, IDF, the liberal establishment. Don’t deny it, just own it up to the fact that LGBTQ+ is just an imperial project no different than feminism, BLM and trumpism are.
>>2808900Speaking of pink imperialism, remember that cordtranshumanist spokesperson for the Zelenskyte regime expressing a racialist opinion of Russians so vulgar even Stoddard would have found offensive to his tastes? Well, here’s the video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz5yC1QhyY4That’s the vaulted trans vanguard proletariat we here at /britleftypol/ pride ourselves in.
BIG IF TRUE
>JUST IN: UK PM Keir Starmer reportedly preparing to resign after crushing election results.https://x.com/leadingreport/status/2053640270353195448?s=46>>2808956It's Starmover Keirbros…
>>2808365>>2808363zultana is to blame
>>2808888- trans people are workers so the problem does not arise. if you want to look at anti-worker behavior, maybe look at that TERF nurse who's suing her union for not supporting her vendetta against a trans coworker.
- corporate pride is very obviously a response to organic bottom-up pressure, when companies realized it wasn't co-opting things and indeed that every pride, queer people were commenting on how companies would inevitably throw them under the bus, they decided to fund the re-election of Donald Trump and try to throw them under the bus. just as communism will be the faggiest thing ever due to a degree of technological determinism, however, slightly later capitalism will also be the faggiest thing thusfar. nothing short of uninventing the internet will put the genie back in the bottle.
- get a higher resolution jpeg, faggot.
>>2808895
nobody falls for israeli pinkwashing. the only thing that correlates with hating israel more than LGBT status is outright being Palestinian.
>>2808899pathetic display. nobody is retarded enough to go "oh, keir starmer has implemented aggressively anti-LGBT politics as prime minister and LGBT labour are constantly humiliated and regularly banned from pride events for associating with him, but look - he got his picture taken at pride back when he was busy lying to the party left so he could be leader!!"
>>2808900you still lack a coherent explanation for why the UK - which remember, vetoed gender recognition legislation, policy-based-evidence'd the cass review, legislated from the bench to find that transphobia is a protected religion, that the GRA2004 is a dead letter, that wrote up guidance saying that transgender people aren't allowed in basically any gender segregated places and that the EA2010's provisions to
allow discrimination to maintain a single sex space actively
require such discrimination in any case that someone vaguely thinks it should - did so if it is an imperialist power run by the bourgeoisie, or why, alternatively it is not such a power and not run by the bourgeoisie.
or, indeed, why the current US president quite notably ran on "kamala's for they/them", signed swathes of anti-trans executive orders, and started bombing Iran…
>>2809019
You'd probably be a lot more convincing if you didn't put random "pro-pedo" points in your posts
(anyway, you're wrong about France, the 2013 protests weren't the largest, May 1968 is still larger by far)
>>2809019
>responds to a point about britain by talking about obama, bush, biden and trump
YANKEE
GO
HOME
>>2809028Like there's a difference between the two of you… Britain sold off its culture to the americans.
>>2809031there is the anomaly of british liberal transphobia, which is a good synecdoche for the generally anomalous state of british elites more generally.
people get side-tracked into general complaints about capitalism and liberal democracy or blah blah blah because if they're not british, they assume britain isn't as bad as it is, and if they are british you're asking a fish to describe water. this is covered up to a limited extent by britain's tradition of declinism, but all that does is create a cry-wolf effect where you imagine that because we used to whine that france made more steel than us in 1975, things haven't
really been getting worse in an alarming way.
as peter mandelson put it in an email to his pal:
>I can still barely understand it. It [Epstein actually being arrested] just could not happen in Britain >>2809036
i could give you a boatload of statements about kevin rudd's views on trade policy, doesn't mean i know shit about them. copy and pasting URLs counts for nothing in a world where any idiot can use google.
(calling me a gammon instead of sticking with "TRA" is a good case in point. you think you're using british insults but you're just making yourself look a right drongo, cobber.)
>>2809034I'm being a bit callous,
The older educated generations tend to differ from americans, (trans debate is a good exemple of it, sex based stuff is in continuation of the British second wave feminism compared to the identity based third wave feminism born in the USA)
But the young and the less educated tend to have simply adopted the American model, without any regards to local politics.
You obviously see this on the right, with Farage imitating Trump. But also on the left, youngs brits importing american culture war issues when they're not really relevent in the UK, typically talking about black representation when black Brits are far fewer then Indian or pakistani descendent Brits, yet you rarely ever see people advocating for them. Purely british issues are simply ignored by everyone, Who even talks about Northern Ireland for exemple, there are active paramillitaries walking down catholics street and terrorising the population there, Irish people had to face segregation for years, and are still actively discriminated in certain cases. Yet there really is no discussion about it, even from the left, this wasn't always the case, when the NICRA was active the left talked about, even when the IRA was active, you'd see discussion about it.
>>2809055
So let me get this straight - you are a pedophile who is saying that you're oppressed and it's unfair yet you hate transpeople for dumb made up reasons? Don't you think that's a bit ironic?
>>2809062
I agree pedophiles are treated worse in society than trans people, what's your point? Does that mean you're right to hate on them?
>>2809062
Who cares if pedos are more oppressed than trans women? If you fuck kids it's reasonable to oppress you, the same doesn't go for taking hormones to change your sex and putting on a dress.
>>2809066in time you will learn not to respond to the pro-pedo weirdo, its just one sharty/farty troll with nothing better to do, they probably arent actually a pedo this is just there fetish, people telling them to go away.
Stop helping them cum.
>>2809068Didn't know he was a consistent poster like that
>>2809062
Drunk Drivers are oppressed as well, as are most anti-social behavior. This is normal and expected considering we live in a society, a world communist revolution could happen and anti-social behaviors such as pedophilia or drunk driving will be shunned.
>>2809055
attacking pedos is virtue signalling, not vice signalling. it rests on the underlying assumption that this is seen as virtuous by all.
attacking transgender people is vice signalling in part because those who do so are well aware that doing so runs contrary to liberal social norms. (this is, after all, where all the crowing about being "cancelled" comes from. Finding a cause where you can be "cancelled" for "virtue signalling" is almost impossible. e.g. it sits oddly in the mouth to say that Extinction Rebellion were "cancelled" for annoying people, but quite neatly to call them virtue signallers…)
>>2809070yeah the same low effort trolls been here for weeks, its pretty funny.
>>2809073
I mean, I dunno, not really, I don't think we should hate on non offending pedos, but then again some of them are incredibly annoying like yourself and try to force it into everyone's business
>>2809077
That doesn't explain why you hate trans people
>>2809077
Raping children (and drunk driving) are anti-social as they actively harm society by causing harm to other people.
People wanting to have sex with another person of the same sex, or adults wanting to identify with another sex aren't harming other in and by themselves.
>>2809081
Come on bro, you've been posting transphobia for days
>>2809079
>Having le driving and speeding above the magic speed line is bad cuz reasons.
>>2809084
Anti-pedophilia is a popular class concern since forever, even during the middle ages the only people who married children were the nobility, the popular classes married in between adults. This is why pedophilia is normalised to this day in the Bourgeoisie, while the proletarian is generally disgusted by it, because they're the only ones who'd have to face the consequences of allowing it.
>>2809084
Okay stop, this isn't the debate pedophilia topic, I just wanna know why you've been spamming anti trans shit for days, like you have some kind of logic that they're oppressing pedos, clearly you don't and I agree you're just a troll
>>2809094
If you weren't retarded you'd notice that argument is about speeding and not drunk driving.
My point is that just like the age of consent the speed limit is a "magic line" there isn't an exact limit as to which the speed of a war is dangerous, despite that, someone going at 180 on a school zone is dangerous.
This is the exact same as the age of consent, and I'll ask you, do you think sexual relationships between a toddler and an adult should be legalised ?
>>2809098You can say the same about drunk driving anyway since there's a magic blood alcohol percentage line where it goes from criminal to not criminal.
>>2809092
BTW I agree with the other anon, stop saying "gammon", it doesn't work in this context when you're clearly right wing
>goes on britpol
>transbashing thread
yup, spot on, nuke the garbage patch islands
>>2809134
I'm fucking retarded no one can be this retarded.
>>2809134
Let's say hypothetically I fuck your 6 year old child and they don't care. Would you be mad about this and seek a prosecution for me or would you say that getting mad is moralism and I should be free to do so?
>>2809141
I don't need to get out of my "anti-pedophilia" echo chambers honestly, I'll be fine I think
>>2809148
>>2809150
Trans
>known for frequent contributions to science, penchant for stem subjects and the arts
>historically occupies important positions in many religions
>statistically high autism score on average
>persists in spite of adversity and social rejection
>ventures into unknown, motivated by instinct
Chud
>known for chimping out and shooting school children
>statistically low autism score
>social rejection makes him write manifesto and develop resentment against any group more successful than him
>basis for ideology is slave morality and an imagined past or pure spite
You can post as many cartoons and xeets as you want, but this is the truth
>>2809156Chuds have also been a central part of religion and have had frequent contribution to science, the issue with chudism in the modern day is that we have removed the integrated chud class in society.
>>2809168It's something to do
>>2809169make a debate keir starmers sock puppet /leftypol/ pro-nonce thread and stop shitting up leftypol everyday with 'well actually pedos are bad' its self evident in the rules you should read, report and move on
>>2809168I know, I can be a hotblooded retard sometime…
>>2809179>Unfortunately some of the very serious principled leftists I worked with in Yorp had this kind of view, that the Greens were 'petit bourgeois' by definition, and when asked to justify it their argument was basically just circular.I got that defintion from just attending green meetings and working with other activists in various groups of green persuasion, they will show up at meetings about reducing rent to moan about student housing and will push NIMBY agendas, they have a large contigent of people who own property who are seeking to increase or maintain its values and dont really care about anything else.
Its the floating lib demmer, they are in the greens also - it is a petite-bougie mindset.
There's one or two posters consistently shitting up and derailing the thread by making fascist, reactionary, anti-lgbt and pro-paedo points.
They are preventing any actual discussions from ever taking place here and that's most likely their true goal.
Why aren't they having their IP ranges permabanned??? Nuke these demons from orbit.
>>2809180Ok but is that any different from Labour? The average person that is involved in politics is some kind of weirdo in some way, it figures that many of them are NIMBY types.
Also, NIMBYs aren't always wrong, they built an incinerator in my town a decade ago and it stinks up the whole (poor ofc) neighborhood it's built in and can't be good for human health at all.
>>2809184Also, the actual green manifesto is much more pro-worker than any of the other semi major parties.
>>2809184They are usually wrong with student housing, they associate it with anti-social behaviour and oppose it because they perceive it to lower the value of the house they own, when in reality any housing is going to take pressure off of the private rental sector.
It matters because these people have a lot of infulence in the higher strata of the green political party machine.
They arent that different to labour, they are more pro-worker - I voted for them even, just know they arent really going to fix much.
>The nazi paedophile is in fact a nazi paedophile
>>2809191People dont like student housing because our cities are already crowded enough and need actual housing for normal people not students, and that its a massive scam that allows them to build and etc with all sorts of special deals.
>>2809236AFAIK half of the student housing just ends up sitting there empty anyway
>>2809240Around me it just seems like to increase the capacity of chinese.
It fels like our city have just become international hubs for mostly bobo chinese with more money than sense to come and enjoy their uni years+ in a nice trendy british city whilst us poor native plebs are only kept around as much as we can be hired to serve them.
>>2809240>>2809244there is a relationship between the flood of foriegn students and rents being shit, however not building student housing just means they occupy private housing workers should be living in. The flood should also be addressed for sure.
>>2809259I really think it will solve itself, Foreign divvy kids not capable of going to uni in their home countries leading to degraded unis, already paper-mills in all but name, to further dumb down their courses to be able to admit more chinese at 20+ grand a pop. Already they only need the equiv of 3 C+ level GCSEs, as compared to A+/A/A that you'd need as a british student.
The only real question is how much our cities are hollowed out and fucked before these institutions become non-viable.
>>2809266I share this disdain for rich students as well, especially with the grades being different. They tend to occupy the city center and desirable locations as well, where workers would actually want to live.
>>2809236Also they are shit for students because they cost so much and provide meager services while also just not being as interesting as living in the general population. They also drive up student HMO rents because they are pinned so much higher, which impacts the wider rental market.
>>2809284
The only thing preventing britain from going fully reactionary is a 50% under 30 university education rate you mong.
>>2809287
key distinction is foreign students, we obviously want to treat the local and national ones well.
>>2809287
"Students are inherently parasitic" okay let's see how you act when there are no more nurses.
>>2809294
welcome back pol pot
>>2809297
Studentoids are a cancer on my city but at least the internationals mostly leave eventually. The domestic students stay, have kids and generally shit the place up.
Seriously the once most vibrant parts of my city are dead now. They buy houses next to historic venues only to file complaints until they close and shit like this.
>>2809304Proofs??
Students aren't usually known for caring about noise as much as the genpop
>>2809307when they finish uni, stay and get older.
>>2809313Thats more just NIMBY's, im sure some students become them but its a planning legislation issue not really a student centric one.
>>2809315Yea, and NIMBY fucks are always uni educated and not from round here.
>>2809371Those fuckers wouldn't survive a day in Nepal.
>>2809387
Idk, it's just that Nepal has like a thousands communist parties with nearly the same name.
>>2809390
Nepal was one more communist party away from achieving the true communist revolution…
>>2809390
>And they all failed in the face of a CIA color revolution so of what worth were they?
That's not even close to the point being made you massive
autist
>>2809410The only thing sadder than that 'nothing' is the Ukranian flag flying in the background.
>>2809413The butcher's apron flying is also pretty sad
>>2809371The electoral commission really should be punished for allowing it. IGV is a literal nazi using the name to intentionally mislead. The whole reason the EC exists is because people fucked around running as conversatives, labor, and literal democrats, IGV is exactly the same trick but they get away with it because no British institution ever works fairly.
>strongest predictor of left wing views is graduating uni because it's a proxy for not being an idiot. not all non-garduates are idiots, but ALL idiots are non-graduates
>/leftybritpol/ want to burn down unis in the delusional belief student flats will be replaced with steel mills and not with burned out ruins full of reform sympathising junkies
lol
>>2809425>>strongest predictor of left wing views is graduating uni because it's a proxy for not being an idiot. not all non-garduates are idiots, but ALL idiots are non-graduatesThe extent of Russell Group sponsored Copium you have to be on to say this is is not medically advisable.
>>2809425>strongest predictor of left wing views is graduating uni COORECTION: strongest predictor of WOKE LIBERAL/socdem values is graduating uni. attend college myself but it should be obvious these are all bourgeois institutions pushing identity politics and revisionism/reformism.
Keir Starmer status?
>>2809465Being a woke liberal is "right wing" then?
>>2809478Yes idiot, you haven’t raped the third world any less if it goes to BAME and LGBTs in the UK
>>2809480And you are the only one true leftist, I presume?
>>2809481I don’t have any fixed ideology I just call wickets and outs
>>2809486Is leftism really an "ideology" or an orientation? A milieu?
>>2809488Probably all and none of those things
>>2809489So you aren't a leftist, you can't say what leftism is, yet you can say who is not a leftist?
>>2809495I can point out inconsistency, that exists with or without me
>>2809504Nobody likes this kind of person nor takes them at all serious.
>>2809506That matters why?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/11/more-than-60-labour-mps-call-on-starmer-to-set-timetable-to-quit
>Pressure on Starmer mounts as more than 70 Labour MPs call for him to quitVgh….my ten year Starmer Reich…what could have been….
>>2809465Woke liberals are just diet communists, disposition-wise. Specific ideas matter much less than personality or class interests.
>>2809480You are an idealist, you think that the average person going around with wrong ideas in their head is the cause of real-world problems. You secretly believe that we live in a democracy.
>>2809546>Woke liberals are just diet communistsexplain how a liberal party has anything to do with communism
>>2809554read the post again, particularly the words "disposition wise"
>>2809534>That matters why?And so who are you doing it for?
>>2809573Was for PM!
I cant wait to see this shit-bin fire.
>>2809576For me obviously
i believe in keir. he's gonna turn this franchise around.
>>2809586jesus christ warhammer is so fucking ugly
So Palantir is being granted unlimited access to all NHS data regarding all patients, in entirely unanonymised format. Names, DOB, NHS numbers, diagnoses, treatments, full history.
But don't worry, the organisation promises not to misuse this power because "that would be illegal".
Never mind that the leader of their UK branch is Oswald Mosley's grandson, who was hired purely on the basis of who his grandfather was.
Never mind that the "job interview" to hire said individual consisted entirely of fascist billionaire Alex Karp reciting from memory a speech made by Mosley to the British Union of Fascists about why we should ally with the Nazis, followed by him performing a bunch of Tai Chi moves.
Never mind that Peter Thiel believes in all that dark enlightenment shit and is constantly battling with himself whether he prefers total human extinction or to be CEO-King of a technofeudal fascist slave state as his ultimate goal.
Never mind they use AI targeting to murder civilians in Palestine or that Keir Starmer has a private meeting of Thiel the content of which isn't publicly known.
I am sure this will all end well and they won't use this to target and do who knows what to minorities, trans people, autistic people, etc. :)
one of the worst traits of leftists is to suggest taking courses of action that aren't on the table
e.g. "reject scottish/welsh nationalism/voting for a reformist/whatever other immediate option is on the table because we should be working towards a worker's britain", as though there's any credible path to doing that on a shorter timescale than breaking up britain or indeed, on any timescale at all. as though the person saying that sincerely believes that this outcome will arise in their lifetime.
but of course that's the case. i am getting caught up on ideas when what is really reflected is something lower level: a subtle british nationalism no doubt impressed on most by past flirtations with the labour party, or an underlying need to feel superior to others.
A question for the britbongs, were there any leftists advocating for Brexit at the time it was put forward and if so did they reflect on their position afterwards?
>>2809895there were a good number, i don't know if any u-turned but traditionally the left was against joining the EEC and a second group of more youthful orgs got set against them by their treatment of Greece.
from skimming wikipedia: the CPGB-ML, New Communist Party of Britain, RCPB-ML, TUSC, socialist labour party, WRP, Solidarity, IRSP, PBP, Workers Party (NI), George Galloway, plus, in fairness because most of those are nutters, a handful of good old Labour MPs plus the following unions: ASLEF, BFAWU, Indian Workers' Association, the RMT, and the NI PSA.
tbh most of them were operating on the mistaken idea that since Britain being in the EU is bad in the abstract, leaving in 2016 was a good idea and would lead to more left-wing policy even though there wasn't a viable route for that to happen and the main barrier to left wing policy in the UK is the UK parliament, not the EU.
contrast Scotland/Wales, where the main barrier to them doing things is the UK parliament, where the precedent has been set that they can veto devolved legislation on spurious grounds. they vetoed a bottle recycling scheme!(stuff cited like the EU "banning subsidizing industries" (tell that to calmac) or "mandating the privatization of railways" was always naff. the EU mandates you separate track and train companies but both can be state owned, and in any case telling the EU to go fuck itself and doing what you want is really easy because it's a pathetic organization of cowards. "EU Austerity" was bad to eurozone states, but had zero impact on Britain because it has its own currency and independent fiscal policy.)
Anyway: amusingly,
Xi Jinping endorsed Remain.
if you're wondering the rights and wrongs of it: Britain joining the EEC/EU was a mistake for both, Britain leaving the EU was a pointless act of self harm from which literally the only benefit is that you can now buy TimTam chocolate from Australia in the supermarket.
>>2809895Me, I was. The EU has states within it that completely ban communism, in itself it is an anti-communist org.
I also talked a lot about the time of the over exploitation of wage labour on farms that was enabled by the EU - I knew first hand many eastern-european farm hands working in modern slavery conditions and I hated that the EU enabled it.
>>2809894Under a united UK, the local nationalists can rightfully put their country's issues on the government in Westminster, they can't do this if they're independant.
NI staying in the UK has been a great boost to the reactionnaries inside Ireland, because it became at the center of Irish politics, even when Fine Gael and Fianna Fail became practically the same party.
Starmercells, whats our next move?
Is it over?
>three ministers have resigned
Starmer sisters, what's the 0lan
>>2809909remove the king and proclam himself as Lord Protector of these islands ?
Critical support for Keir Starmer against Streetingite imperialism
>>2809963if a toilet seat grew arms and legs and a conscious
it's all meaningless spectacle. Streeting or Burnham will just be more of the same.
>>2809994I mean Streeting will be actively worse, Burnham will be mildly better, it's not a total zero sum game
I agree the people obsessing over who has signed the latest letter etc probably need to get a hobby though
>>2809895Most of the people in this thread were, I distinctly remember being called a Remoaner for years.
I think it is mostly due to this phenomenon where they thought we could somehow have a 'lexit' despite the Tories being in power and the country being in the grip of frothing reaction
>>2809894 >>2809895All Communists were Brexit since it means weakening the evil EU imperialist bloc.
>>2809977>consciousLet's not go that far
>>2809902>>2809901>>2810024Thanks for answering. As a French I'm also against the EU but I'm also against my country and nationalism, and the UK is just as much an exploiter now as it was before brexit. So in the end it was pointless reformism since it wasn't tied to a revolutionary movement (or even socdem). It's even really bad geopolitically if you see US imperialism as the biggest threat to revolution because Brexit precipitated the creation of AUKUS and really pushed those two countries together but I guess it wasn't really foreseeable
>>2810036>I guess it wasn't really foreseeableIt was incredibly foreseeable that the UK was not going to somehow stand alone as a great power, and that it would inevitably drive us to being even bigger US puppets, I made this argument well before the vote
>>2810036I didnt really care so much if the UK got worse, I came from the underclass so taking away the bougie scums access to cheap white labour was fine by me.
The contradictions that result in the present day mean they had to look further afield for immigration (boriswave is mostly 3rd worlders) which in turn has lead to this reactionary reaction against immigration and labour being unable to address it, which they are now collapsing around.
On the long term it destroyed new labour, which is good - it has created the space for more further left alternatives.
>>2810040>I didnt really care so much if the UK got worse, I came from the underclass so taking away the bougie scums access to cheap white labour was fine by me.Thats the way i viewed it too.
Still to this day though having to explain to people i meet that nobody in the Brexit saga was actually anti-migration, it was just international migration vs european migration.
>>2810112At least he actually tried to make an argument, more than most of them will do
>>2810040the telos of new labour always lead towards brexit. for all his open europhilia, blair loved to indulge the press's loathing of europe and position himself as standing up to them and his net effect was anti-european as a result.
one of the tragedies of new labour, surreal as it is, is that it failed
as a post-socdem neoliberal government, that it was tory instead of neoliberal, that it did not really try to set britain up as a frictionless market utopia. (this would have failed, but much more elegantly than blair's racist pandering regulatory mess propped up by PFI debt has failed.) it was always set up to fail this way, but it did so much more aggressively after 9/11 when it pivoted from at least superficially having an aesthetic of "britain as a young country" (even then, pre-9/11, many of the comments about blairite MPs and ministers about asylum seekers were reformUK tier slop) towards war of terror doom and gloom and hard-man posturing.
>>2810112Like 1/3rd of the country share the same general beliefs only they also hate trans people and don't go as far as to try to come up with some logic for their ideology
>>2810189Bro said LBQ
he's also trans-exclusionary
>>2810194Lesbian and bisexual inclusive but exclusive to gays ?
>>2810263Hell yes I'm enough
>>2810274
Look man, we don't allow libdem voters on this website, please leave.
>>2810274
I will say that the gays have always been consistently paedo-phobic since the 70s, and only homophobes have attempted to equate the two. As for the overton window, its true that you can be a "based gay man" so long as you mock transgender people, but if you ran out of trans people to bully, the gays would seen become targeted - again.
As for the MAP identity in general, paedos exist whether they are gay or straight, so its not exactly its own orientation; more of a fetish (or "paraphilia"). I don't think its a "mental illness", but its certainly indecent. Finally, no reasonable person believes in the child HRT thing, so there's no need to worry about it.
>>2810302
Not all libdem voters are pedophiles, but all pedophiles are libdem voters…
>>2810302
>Also, if mini attraction is a “fetish” and “indecent”, so are homosexuality and transgenderism
They're not exactly comparable, since you can be a gay and/or transgender MAP, and so it is secondary. Homosexuality and transsexuality are not really comparable either, since as I already alluded to, the two identities are non-contradictory. Further, transsexuality is about gender identity, while homosexuality is about sexual attraction - thus, you can either be a gay or straight transsexual, and so a non-queer queer, which does seem contradictory. MAPs are not really queer in themselves either, then.
>>2810307
Pedophile is also used in the UK, liberal.
>>2810308
Of course the libdem voter can only call me a fascist.
oh great the pro-ana paedophile terf is back to derail the thread again by calling for total trans genocide.
just stop responding to them. more likely than not they're some glowie or unironic hitlerite doing it just to try to prevent leftist dialogue from taking place.
>>2810319True, you are right, anyone who doesn't willingly send all their money to the liberal democrat party of the england and wales a dirty american fascist and should be executed. We all stand with Ed Davey, the vanguard of the revolution.
>>2810318True…
tbqh in this day and age most lumpens and a lot of the working class have adopted americanisms and yank spellings
>>2810302
>Otherwise, Harry Hay and Harvey Milk wouldn’t have been so influential on the gay rights movement.
literally every civil rights 'resistance' movement was also full of straight people sex creeps. Jeffrey Epstein was a Zionist for example.
>>2810302
>pederasty was the most normative form of human homosexuality
"pedos are the ideal subject of fascist Baal worshipping pagan empires" Ok Epstein
>>2810321
paedos are not a marginilised group. you're violent criminals.
someone having a particular gender presentation or identity is not in any way shape or form comparable to wanting to violently sexually assault children.
please go get flayed alive or something tyvm.
>>2810317
"Queer” just means non-normative.
Lets say that a heterosexual is into scat; he is a minority below that of homosexuals in general, yet he is not considered "queer", so then, queerness does not concern sexual difference as such, but is only a term which denotes non-straight and/or non-cis persons.
>minor attraction is a sexual orientation
So if someone is both (i) heterosexual and (ii) a paedophile, do they have two sexuap orientations? You see the problem, surely.
I agree with the fedposting MAP guy that pedophobia have become completely insane and will probably bite the back of every queer and more generaly anything that have to do with healthy male sexuality/any male with a libido.
We can already see this with pedophilia being redefined endlessly as attraction to 16yo, and it's cuts across political divisions since it's mainly a female-led moral panic, which christcucks and wokefags try to use at their advantage but everyone will loose really.
I do not think becoming pro-pedophilia will do any good to any gay/trans activist however, i would just encourage them to disengage completely from this culture war, their performative outrage at "pedo" stuff feels fake and gay anyway when every homosexual older than zoomers was doing chemsex with adolescents at the club.
>>2810274
>That’s because the chud on the right-panel can’t actually come up with actual arguments as to why allowing kids to be on HRT is good but having said kids willingly have sex with their lover regardless of age is le bad and ebil
If by "kids" we mean between 11 and 17 i don't have a problem with either but equating receiving a hormonal treatment, even if you think dysphoria isnt real, with having sex with an adult is stupid. Not in a moralfag way it just isnt the same thing.
>>2810302
>No, the pedophobia was only consistent by 1994 after the broader gay rights movement threw the founding pederasts under the bus
That is true. Gay advocacy wich started in the late XIX century was impossible to separate from pederasty advocacy up until 1994.
Interestingly, the subversive LGB cohort (that include the china flag gender critical anon itt) like to point toward transgenders as pedophiles for bullshit reasons while praising "normal gay" when "normal gay" historically mean pederasty and old NAMBLA leaders rebranded as drop the T guys.
This whole culture war is unbearable and full of hypocrites who either don't know anything before 2015 or are just lying.
>>2810318They're obviously completely different people.
>>2810323
What, you brought up the libdem voters in the first place ? You keep derailing the thread to say how great these voters are…
>>2810338Childrens camp? Sanctioned
>>2810339 this nonce cunt? Not sanctioned.
Make it make sense!
>12 year old women
One of the greatest trolls in history
>>2810339
Do you have any thoughts on bestiality?
Should people be allowed to marry animals in a church?
>>2810349Should depend on the animal really, if you go around and manage to fuck a silverback gorilla, then yeah, you've got its consent you know, it's not a hamster.
>>2810350What if the hamster consents, tho?
>>2810356
You do tho ? It's all you ever fucking do, all you ever talk about, doesn't matter that Starmer's regime is collapsing, doesn't matter the electins, no all this threat should talk about is how oppressed the poor libdems are, thats all that bloody matter to your retarded liberal derailler arse.
>>2810339
I am a nympholepte too anon but you need to swallow the pill that it's a doomed libertine sexuality (the nymphette will age) or is too morally abhorent to be made normal (you will have to abandon the nymphette after using her as a cum rag).
I don't believe in MAP normalization for that reason. There isnt a way this will end well for either party, Nabokov described it pretty well.
Maybe in the future Tyrell Corporation will grant us bioidentical young ladies with lifespan on 3 year but until then, you'll have to repress or live with the negative consequences of that decision. Being a practicing nympholepte post-feminism is just suicidal i will add, probably Stalin, Hitler and Mao sexed barely pubescent girls but those were different times, and the women were different too.
>Sure, being openly pro-MAP even from a medicalist standpoint amounts to social suicide in TERF island
And pretty much anywhere that isnt Afghanistan under taliban rule. They're the last remnants of uncompromising male morality, but it's a late, degenerate version of the androcentric morality of the past.
>>2810365>>2810360I promise you nobody here cares. fuck off.
>>2810365
But lets move past the frameworks, then. Someone has a minor attraction which is harmless in itself; adult-child relationships can still be legally argued against without invoking reactionary talking points. If you can't even conceive of how, you are then too self-interested to be rational.
>>2810366My right to fuck gorillas is the sole most important cause of the communist mouvement of the United Kingdom and I will derail every damn thread about this country for this issue.
>>2810365
What would your mum think if she knew you were pretending to be a paedophile on the internet to farm screenshots of how the transhumanists are paedos?
If you want to fuck kids just become french
>>2810378
You say all this shit while supporting the oppression of drunk drivers, you'll pretend to talk about tyranny, yet when a simple man practices a hobby he is considered a criminal by the anti-drinking reactionnary lobies, no mind that those laws camed from the reactionnary religious right.
You are a hypocrite.
>>2810378
I support your right to raping amd grooming just as I support my right to drown you in the sea
why are we seriously discussing this lobotomite?
>>2810365
Regarding comparisons with homosexuality, the issue with many “leftist” Drunkphobic arguments is that there’s no way one can employ them without implicitly invalidating the same framework that validates homosexuality, especially as many of said talking points (from “muh social danger” to “muh degeneracy”) are recycled from the reactionary playbook. Because, to move forward, the left has to interrogate reactionary frameworks as opposed to appropriate them to attack the right as the end result is just validating the same harmful frameworks used to attack marginalised groups as well as the left as a whole.
An example is how conservatives started the prohibitionist shit as we know it by clamping down on critics of the prohibition (remember Al Capone, anyone?). Once the car companies got in power as the cultural hegemon, instead of dismantling prohibition they actively went far and beyond by going after their enemies that included both chuds and leftists that weren’t 100% aligned with the liberal establishment (case in point, anti seat belt activists for not being submitted to driving laws in an anglo country). And now that the Teslaites are being favoured by the capitalist plutocrats to push for forever wars, you are seeing Muskites supporting far more tyrannical measures, which is coming to bite down on our American comrades under Zion Don’s tyranny.
So yh: Want to fight back against transphobia and homophobia? Then stop using the same frameworks used to promote those bigotries.
>>2810393
No true drunk drivers have ever killed anyone, unlike pedophiles, but sure, go on, support reactionnary anti-drunk drving laws, forgetting that nazis viewed drunk drivers they same way they viewed homosexuals (and not pedophies, mind you).
>>2810397
Dude, your fear of drunk driving and distaste towards driver's drunkeness is rooted in outdated, repressive, puritanical probitionist morality.
Drunk driving is not harmful, it's enjoyable and pleasurable. Anti Drunk driving laws are not in place to protect drivers, they exist because car companies view their drivers as property, and don't want them to engage in something which upsets their sensabilities.
Restricting the rights of drivers to partake in something pleasurable is not in the best interest of drivers, despite how society may spin it. It's a violation of their bodily autonomy. BTW, it's also likely that your drunkdriverphobia is due to "reaction formation", as desire to drunk drive is the norm in men. Don't act as though you aren't attracted to drunk driving, gammon.
>>2810388
>if a minor’s willingness can be made arbitrarily void by judicial fiat it remains questionable if liberal contract theory is that useful of a concept as far as intimate issues like sex goes.
Well, there is certainly a "magic line" which determines the "age of reason" or discernment of a child, for when they are given moral responsibility, even if not legal responsibility. Children are then presumed inherently irrational in their capacities, which is not always the case, but it does seem generally true - although, many adults are intensely irrational themselves, yet have legal responsibility. So, there is arbitrariness, but would you not say that there are suitable thresholds for exclusion?
>What’s more indicting is that most CSA is done by peers, family members, and those with actual authority as opposed to rando powerless adults, thereby making said assumption unfounded.
Yes, its true that a child is most endangered by their immediate family, since we also live in an abortion culture which disposes of unborn youth so frivolously. We are rife with hypocrisy, but I'm not sure your proposals are the answer.
My guess is that the Reform councils are going to become kleptocracies which rob all the council tax and don't pay the bin men.
>>2810403You joke, but look at the hillbillies in vidrel
<seatbelts are communist!You can see the same reaction in this country:
https://youtu.be/950kIPv3f38I remember when they added the seatbelt "ding" in newer cars and people were complaining about it, but people get used to compliance. Sometimes you see the old rust mobiles driving down a road, leaving plumes of smoke out the back, and you wonder how we lived that way. Its even hard to remember when we didn't have smartphones - and boomers are the ones most addicted to them!
>>2810420
Drunk drivers who kill people deserve to hang.
I would say that is a popular moral attitude, and the same goes for child molesters.
>>2810418They are far too incompetent for that it mostly appears that the people get elected for reform literally believe the "run the state like a business" shit (rather than that being a rhetorical cover for neoliberalisation) and then find out that no, you cannot run a district of hundreds of thousands of people like your shitty car dealership.
eight councillors now for the workers party. jfc
Ah yes Labour is burning and we're all talking about paedophiles being the good guys excellent stuff
Can somebody ban this pedo? Why do they have to derail the thread with their mental illness?
all pedophiles must get a job
>>2810439
Its not about saving people, its about punishing them.
Once a murderer kills someone, you don't let them free, just because there is no longer a direct victim.
>But believing that all adult-minor sex is child molestation is no different than claiming all heterosexual sex is rape
Sure, just keep it to yourself. There are plenty of stories of boys shagging the teacher, but why should they be so public about it? Its like when incestuous couples try to make themselves normal; its never going to work, and its only going to cause controversy.
I wholeheartedly believe Leninhat was Phil Greaves.
>>2810444the people derailing the thread are the people writing essays against the same troll everytime they ban evade by switching to mobile data, its kinda dumb.
>>2810444>>2810445Dude posts from a mobile network, if he changes IP again please report him
>>2810510thread stalin I urge you to purge all pedo discussion in the name of lenin inshallah
>>2810510well if the obsessed pedophile posts again, i'll give it a shot
Starmer needs to crush the saboteurs imo
>>2810453It's worth writing essays to sharpen your own thoughts and show other naive posters that it isn't that there are no counterarguments to their shit posts, it's mostly that they refuse to engage with them.
last night BBC News ran with Zack Polanski not paying council tax when he lived on a houseboat.
naturally they left out that the guy the times paid to find this out also discovered that in the 35 years there's been a mooring there, only one person ever registered to pay council tax. (e.g. backing up Polanski's justification that this was an innocent error rather than a tax-dodging exercise, since you could only get numbers that bad if the council never told anybody they might be liable, never tried to seek out non-payers, etc.)
the guy himself also didn't mention this when interviewed, despite finding it out at 9am and being interviewed around 6pm.
isn't it nice to have impartial broadcasters? not like those awful yanks with their fox news bias.
>>2810617It was also 9 kings of men who were corrupted by the ring…
>>2810765It's crazy that the media is talking about Polanski not paying council tax (lock up 20% of the country then) more than Farage getting millions in undeclared 'gifts'
Prepare for the press to suddenly care about christianity and why it isn't okay to criticise evangelicals for being pieces of shit actually.
>>2810898streeting kinda looks like starmer when starmer was 15, im not convinced they arent just the same people time travelling.
>>2810900Streeting is NO Starmer , he's all too powerful, all too unrestrained
MAY DAY MAY DAY Watch the arrow leave the DIAL
WE ARE RECKLESS, STREETING CHADS, FINALLY FULL CONTROL.
WE WILL DRAG THE FUTURE TO THE PRESENT.
>>2810901>>2810898Why does he always have the facial expression of someone who Chris Hansen has asked to take a seat?
>>2810902its the chatgpt x palantir cyborg beta human model, hes in a live testing enviroment.
>>2810902>>2810903You FEAR Streeting because YOU fear the Invevatible YOU FEAR The Future, YOU FEAR STREETINGCHADS ACCELERATING THE FORCES OF PRODUCTION , THE FORCES OF PROGRESS, THE FORCES OF TIME
THROUGH STREETING TO THE FUTURE, THE ONE MAN STATE, THE ALL POWERFUL THE ALL SEEING
ONLY THOSE WITH SINS HAVE NEED TO FEAR
Streeting becoming the leader would be the nail in the coffin for labour
>>2810906Streeting took money from private healthcare companies interested in further contracting out the NHS. Lukashenko would not hesitate to shoot Streeting for being absolutely corrupt.
>>2810906He'll just create a millions Keir Starmers… We shall not forget him…
>>2810908It would be the nail in the coffin for Labour, BECAUSE STREETING WILL ELIMINATE LABOUR.
DOWN WITH THE OLD PARTY FORMS, DOWN WITH THE OLD WAYS
DOWN WITH THE OLD CULTURE
DOWN WITH THE OLD CUSTOMS
DOWN WITH THE OLD HABITS
DOWN WITH LABOUR
STREETING ALONE AND SINGULAR.
We his sheep follow in trembeling awe, as the man outside of time carries us forward into the future.
>>2810917Its over for you starmercell , Streetingchads are inevatable.
We will show no mercy for delaying the future, bumps on the wheel of history will be ELIMINATED.
So Hide in your bunker and watch us bury you starmercell
ITS OVER
>>2810899they did this in Scotland when Kate Forbes was in the running for SNP leader.
>>2810906it's a shame his evil isn't matched with any kind of competence.
however bad you think the labour right are, they're always worse. if he was running on a platform that combined radical economic reform (e.g. privatization, deregulation, all those things we're supposed to hate) with de-facto social liberalism (by abolishing all the meddling equalities bodies, which have spoiled anyway) he'd have my full support and he'd knock Thatcher off as a libertarian hero
not hard, bitch didn't do shit.but that would assume they have some kind of coherent agenda. no, you won't be getting NHS privatization, not the real deal. we'll keep getting the current nonsense where you get the rationing of an underfunded state scheme but also inexplicably palintir gets 11 billion pounds to tell american fascists you told the GP you were questioning your gender. britain's is a politics of choosing between worst possible worlds.
thus: i hope wes's challenge is a humiliating flop. i hope there is a contest, a quick contest, and that starmer wins it and fires that disloyal little freak.
>>2810924followed by this maybe 3 months later.
A Streeting premiership would probably be the best thing that could happen.
Yes he's also incompetent, he's slimy, he's a more right wing, more Tory coded version of Starmer.
He would totally annihilate the Labour party from within.
A Streeting government would really solidify the death of Labour and really create a big gulf that would allow for growth and development of an actual left, be it via taking over the Greens or a new more explicitly socialist vehicle.
Breaking News: Streeting is resigning and going to launch a leadership bid
>>2810945
hey look, hes back (and in other threads) this time just report and move on from the nonce comrades.
>>2810953He can say what he wants. Streeting will make his leadership bid announcement within 24 hours.
>>2810945
their position clearly isn't held in good faith and is just an attempt to slander one group by associating it with another.
>>2810953Just as Judas betraying Christ didn't lead to His end, but His Ressurection, the betrayal of Starmer will only lead to a golden Starmer Era. The man may die, but the God will live.
ITS SQUEAKY BUM TIME
>>2810953>>2810982>0Stop the denial starmercells its over. Off to the dustbin of history. You where too weak to hold the fate of history, too servile to doubt, standing in awe at the gates of time
NO MORE
The delay is over, the malaise is done, Britian is opening the tombs, the dead shall rise , man shall lay with the devine
Starmer stand aside the age OF STREEGEDDON is upon us
We Shall ride Wes Yuga , Onwards and upwards forever
May 12th Movement is online and fully operation. All patriots to your positions. All civilians stay in your homes. All enemies should surrender as Brother Keir is willing to show mercy
>>2810997When Ashurbanipal burnt and pillaged Meosopotamia, he believed his reign was to be remembered eternally, that its gods were to never be forgotten, and his glorious city was to reign eternally.
When Xenophon was in Persia, he fell upon vast ruins of a great empire. He asked the locals about whom those cities belonged.
None of them even had a clue. The Hittite also believed their reign eternal, and yet for thousands of years, people had completly forgotten them, relegated to a mere mention in the bible, a fate neither the Babylonians nor the Assyrians ever had.
The Egyptians built the greatest structure known to men, the land of the Pharaohs built gigantic statues whose fate was to be pillaged by the raiders from the deserts in the name of a god they didn't even know.
The Greeks colonised the mediterranian, spread their culture and faith across these lands, but even they failed, their former colony arose and burnt them to the ground.
This colony, Rome, overexpanded, it had become greater then any before them and it became divided, corrupt and weak, a horselord was enough to sent them down a spiral they never recovered from.
The Persians, their enternal rival faught one last bloody war against them, sending everything they had in a desperate shot at victory, and not only did they lose, they allow a new God to take the place of the fire worshippers.
So then, who ? Who survived the onslaught of the ancient fertile cressent ? Of whom Mare Nostrum is Nostrum ?
It is of those with naught, of those with only their belief in their hand, of conviction, that is the greatest strenght, it is not the army, it is not glory, it is not violence, it is not land, it is belief.
And as such, Glorious Keir will rise once more, he will defeat the opportunists, the lunatics and the vile. To triumph finally once and for all above the idealist, the idolatre, the weak and the strong, for He has belief and those that believe in him, for all other have only their greed, hatred and weakness in them.
>CONFIRMED: Streeting To Trigger Leadership Contest Tomorrow | Novara Live
So says Novara Media.
>>2811091Why are they letting him do it? They seriously can't find anyone that isn't a Mandelson nonce?
>>2811091We won't let him.
>>2811176Streetlerites… I think we must accept the superiorty of the Brother Kier national salvation government's propaganda output…
>>2811091I would like to have sex with Ash
>>2811256hes just like me fr
>>2811176>>2811122>>2811015>>2811255>>2811272Starmercells don't cry because its over
Your ashs shall light the pire of the new age, for all his maner and poise, starmer is but a note in the age of streeting.
He shall be the last distant memory people have of the 'old world' , before we forgot our names.
Wes speaks forth and so the world unfolds,
No distance
No time
No Public
No Britain
No Labour
Only Streeting
So you can hold tight to your starmer, thump your manifestos and say your nigthly prayers, there is no going back from what has started.
Forward to our inevatable end. Streeting take our hands
>>2811278I met a traveller from a British island
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the england. Near them, on the ground,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Keir Starmer, Minister of Kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level grasslands stretch far away.
>>2811278You will never be a real Prime Minister. You have won no election, you have won no primary, you have no support. You are a MP twisted by opportunism and treachery into a crude mockery of Britain’s perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back MPs mock you. Your monarchs are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “allies” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Voters are utterly repulsed by you. Hundreds of years of elections have allowed voters to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even unelected PMs who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a voter. Your incompetence is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk prince Andrew to support you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your lack of connections with Jeffrey Epstein.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll resign, make a public announcement, call for a snap election, and plunge into the cold abyss. King Charles will find you heartbroken but relieved that he will no longer have to live with unbearable shame and disappointment. Eventually they will bury you with a headstone marked with your birth constituency, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know an MP is buried there. Your Premiership will decay and be forgotten, and all that will remain of your legacy is a footnote in the history books.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
TIL: The EHRC Scotland Committee includes the editor of Holyrood Magazine, a woman who has absolutely no relevant experience whatsoever except being known to be hostile to a certain minority group. This, naturally, was enough to have her appointed to give "impartial advice" in 2023.
>>2811423EHRC is england only.
There is an SHRC. But thats a seperate instution
>>2811433Damn you got me, very retarded to have both this and the SHRC
keir starmer, do not break just yet, please starmer, you have to wait just 1 day!
>>2811440I think it's because the SHRC applies only to devolved areas, while the EHRC applies to UK wide matters, and then the two overlap on overlapping matters (e.g. gay marriage in Scotland is devolved legislation - SHRC - yet impacts on UK wide marriage and equalities legislation - EHRC. Since that happened in 2011 before the EHRC and UK government were packed with deranged reactionaries, both the UK and Scottish governments worked together to implement it, rather than pretending it was outside Holyrood's competence or making up a reason it violated the EA2010.)
>>2811438bruh i used to play chiv 1 a lot. hated the people, all chuds, loved killing them.
Keir Starmer is a mighty man, a mighty man is he
He's led the British people on the road to victory
All through austerity he fought at Attlee's side
And they made a combination till the day that Attlee died
He said, "Come all you people, we will work with brain and hand."
And then one day Reform UK came into the British land
They plundered to Northumberland, to London, and then
Keir Starmer said, Come on, me boys!" and he kicked them out again
>>2812041If Keir Starmer has million number of fans i am one of them . if Keir Starmer has ten fans i am one of them. if Keir Starmer have only one fan and that is me . if Keir Starmer has no fans, that means i am no more on the earth . if world against the Starmer, i am against the world. i love #Starmer till my last breath.. .. Die Hard fan of Keir Starmer. Hit Like If you Think Starmer Best PM & Smart In the world
>>2812041S T A R M I N A T E D
>>2811775Why is steam so terminally unmoderated? Why not yet these freaks?
>>2812052Problably not worth their time and effort to concentrate on people choosing stupid usernames for games. Cutting costs.
>>2811774>>2811775yeah its a chud shithole, dont get me wrong, I love the combat system but its a total dive with the userbase.
>>2812041streetingsisters? i was told it was xis turn? where did it all go wrong?
>>2812054It can't be good for them. I tutn cross play off on ll games because PC is weirdly unmoderated and full of hitlerites.
Rumours are that he didn't have the numbers to challenge Starmer and thought resigning would get him the support needed.
Seems his plan might have backfired and he still lacks enough supporters…
>>2812131And once again, it has been proven, by our unshaken faith in Keir Starmer, the schimatics have been defeated, not my millitary strenght, not by weak treachery, but by the work of the believers.
The Eternal reign of Keir Starmer lasts one more year.
>>2812170Thats mad, didn't know Catherine West was like that.
>>2812170Labour has one bad week and suddenly everyone's backstabbing each other.
A purge is due.
neoliberal centrist Vs social democrat centrist infighting…
>Streeting resigns as Health Secretary
>Starmer gives the job to a different gay crackkker who has stated on the record they're anti-trans
What is the goal here?
>>2813209We are not to question His plans, His strategy, for the ways of Keir Starmer are inscrutable? There is no truth or lie to be hidden or seen among His Highness
how does Starmer genuinly believe he has a future? how? what is he thinking?
>>2813221>what is he thinking?meep meep
>>2813231You're delusional (and have no black/brown mates), ethnic minorities are feeling terrorised by the constant flag shagger rallies that the police do nothing about
>>2813221Well what does he have to lose at this point, the man never had a dignity, he'll do everything to stay in power because he has nothing to lose.
>>2813231Immigration is the number one issue of Reform UK, a major part of public debate. There are major political changes across the Western World fueled on anti-immigration sentiment.
everyone has their own opinion on the issue.
For trans stuff, most people think "it's a weird but live and let live" People only start caring when it's schools or female spaces are involved, in any case, it's not a major cause for either parties, people don't vote left for the trans, and people don't vote right for the trans either, Labour has convinced no one by rejecting the transgender, while the Greens aren't rising because they're in favor of them, but mostly for their economical positions.
>>2813238I think you underestimate the amount of people that are very into the trans debate (on either side), it's not as big as the economy sure but there's absolutely people whose primary engagement is with trans issues
>>2813245There are, but they're a minority and not to whom the parties advocate to. They're typically the people directly affected by it, Transgender people, People with trans family members, people who've had issues with trans people, and some upper-middle class people with nothing else going on.
You also have to take in account that people on either side of the debate are generally linked to either the right or the left. Not a lot of people are pro-trans but otherise right wing, and not a lot of people are radically anti-trans and left wing(altho more common then the opposite, I'd say) Political parties don't gain or lose much on their position on trans stuff. Even JK Rowling, who is particularly involved in the debate is still a liberal labourite on every other issue, and she has never advocated voting for the conservatives let alone reform (altho she did advocate to vote for the Communist party of Britain).
I would say tho, that trans stuff is generally part of a larger culture war, that can cause people to vote against their economical ideas. But it's still immigration that is the main culture war, most Labour-> Reform voters do it because of Immigration, labour adopting anti-trans ideas isn't going to change their mind.
This is less true online and in activists circles tho, where this issue takes a larger presence, as such, it could make certain people less willing to actively include themselves in politics because they don't want to involved themselves in this debate.
>>2813254Rowling endorsed Tory candidates in the recent Scottish election and likes to make general anti progressive quips. If she was a liberal labourite she'd have backed Corbyn and distanced herself from Israel, but even in 2017 she was writing about how Harry Potter would oppose BDS.
The common factor is always personality. Communists are weird because some people are communist out of maximal lib-type personality and some are communist out of maximal arrogant contrarianism, but otherwise it's the best predictor of how voting will work. There aren't many high agreeableness, high openness Reform voters and there aren't many low agreeableness, low openness Green voters. Rowling and Stuart Campbell once clashed over the constitution because Scottish nationalism was good at fudging the difference, but their underlying personalities and arrogance are of a type so now they're - if not pals, at least allies, who recognise they both hate young liberals more than they care about whether Scotland is a country.
>>2813231Brown people are actually being attacked right now though, if you knew anyone who is an immigrant you would know how much it sucks. An entire fascist police aparatus was built to manage immigration (turn immigrants into modern day slaves like in the USA or UAE). They are deporting immigrants who are pro-palestine as well btw.
>>2814031Hope they deport all you woke Al-Jihadi commie scum too, have fun on your terrorist march today
>>2814036You can stop ragebaiting yourself any time you like, anon.
Just log off.
>>2814040You can stop sucking Muslim cock anytime you like lefty, oh wait you can't
>>2814042you're the one who brought it up dude
>>2814044Gammons always have blowjobs in their minds. Wonder why🤔
>>2814046You will never be a real Brit.
You will never be a real Brit. You are not Welsh, you are not Scottish, you are not English. You are a Irishman twisted by Unionism and colonialism into a crude mockery of Europe's worst shithole.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back Brits mock you. Your Mps are disgusted and ashamed of you, your "Allies" laugh at your marches and bonfires behind closed doors.
Brits are utterly repulsed by you. 8 Hundred of years of colonisation have allowed Brits to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even Unionists who “pass” sound uncanny and unnatural to a Brit . Your shite accent is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a Drunk Scot to do a bonfire, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your hatred of Catholics.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a car, make a bomb put it under your car, and blow it up. The Gardai will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you near headstonesmarked with the Irish language, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know an Irishman is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your so called "nation" is a vague mention in history books.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>2814049Ooof, swing and a miss, I'm English born and bred unlike you Ahmed, and you're all getting deported come the next election ;)
>>2814050I can see the NI flag in your picture you fucking prod. You will never be a real Brit, get over yourself, can't wait until Farage sells you off to Ireland.
>>2814053
>single NI flag in a sea of St. George CrossesLmao whatever, have fun at your Jihadi march today, P.S the Muzzies will always think you're filthy kuffar no matter how many times you say "Free Free Palestine"
>>2814054See, thats whats even sadder, loyalists like you don't even bother with their flags anymore, they're desperate to be english since they've realised the scots also hate them.
It's just sad, it's really pathetic anyway, Englishmen will always see you as Irishmen, no matter how much you say "no Surrender"
>>2814046I'm starting to think that Saxons are actual orcs.
>>2814050You mouth-breathing Zionist whores said the same thing with Brexit, and look what happened.
Gammons like you will always blame anyone but yourselves for the current state of Britain. No amount of flag-shagging with your Made-In-China flags will absolve y’all of your responsibility.
>>2814059I like how you people hate jews while you were all loving Soros where he was spending billions on propaganda for your favourite pet causes like BLM and trans shit
>>2814060Saxons aren’t even native to Britain, what with genociding the Bretons who were the real natives of Britain before being ruled by the foreign Normans to this day.
>>2814061Hahaha "flag shagger", I bed you masturbate on your Jihadi scum terrorist Palestine flag every night, you deeply autistically want to be Muslim with all your heart while knowing deep down they'll always hate you, so sad ;)
>>2814063
>ACKSHALLE Britain has not culture because it was invaded by muh Normans and Vikings a thousand years agoLeftists always say these things without irony while pretending their favourite countries have been ethnically pure forever, P.S your beloved Palestinians were descended from Jews hahaha
>>2814065Britain has no culture because the Normans were far too moderate on the anglo-saxons.
>>2814059The gammons are just switches, really. Confrontational towards “brown” and black people, submissive and passive towards America and the Mizrahi/brown-majority state of Israel.
Thus, reactionism is a vehicle for noahdite laws in modern times, or in other words a vehicle for submission to international capital. I mean, look at the people they support, it’s either establishment figures like Elon Musk, or grifting excon like Tommy 10 names YAP-ley.
Anyway, this Ulster unionist troll is clearly baiting with below-level 2018 alt-lite slop. Don’t fall for the bait.
>>2814067And you leftwing scum are ultra-submissive to psychotic jihadists to the point where you prance around wearing their manky teatowel scarves, P.S they really don't like LGBT people very much, nowwhy don't you fuck off to Gaza and martyr yourself for Allah
>>2814067So boring from him, Paisley was at least funny at times, this is just sad, Loyalists really fell off, sad !
>>2814064>Muh terrorismAs if Israel wasn’t founded on terrorism you moronic chud. You’ve already shown your true face as a whore for Israel, you don’t love Britain for otherwise you’d value it’s sovereignty from Israel and America, you’re just an anti-social freak living in an echo chamber whose beliefs were constructed by oligarchs and hates modern Britain more than any British communist.
>>2814069We ain't the ones throwing piss at little girls because we worship the desecrated corps of old french and german nobles !
>>2814071
>echo chamberHe says in a forum full of far left freaks who worship trans people and jihadists simultaneously, no irony in that at all is there, sometimes I wish Islamists would hurry up and take over the country so you freaks can experience what "trans genocide" actually looks like
what is to be done about low human capital amongst white english?
>>2814077Charles III could rape you and you'd still wish to be Brit (you'll never be one)
>>2814080Just admit that you hate the white working class and want them all replaced with African monkeys
>>2814084How do you feel to know that your beloved god on earth, Charles III, is descended from the Prophet Muhamad ?
>>2814086Oooh hot take, are you gonna drop the "ACKSHALLEE Saint George was TURKISH and PALESTINIAN" one on me next?
>>2814084Colobus Monkeys have higher autism scores than the average reform voter and would do more useful work despite lacking thumbs.
>>2814084Depends do the Africans have big booba and ass if so send them my way, you can keep the bbc for yourself jamal
>>2814088https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Queen_Elizabeth_II,_lineage,_descended_from_Prophet_Muhammad.svgHe is, lol, Thank god Count Julian invited the muslims to invade Hispania !
In any case, He is not even British, you worshipped a bunch of Frenchmen that the French would have executed !
>>2814091And your beloved holy sacred Palestinians are descended from Levantine Jews
Someone post the meme of the two Indian guys pretending to be white racists
>>2814095See, I don't partake in a religion centered around the worship of Palestinians, for that matter I couldn't care less who their ancestor were.
But you worship a man, a man on earth, not even a theologian, a man who'd gladly let you be raped and pillaged by his aristocrats.
But You have no awnser to my fact, that you are lead by a descendent of Muhammad himself.
I'll add, that there is a point where you are right, there existed a conspiracy to convert Britain to Islam.
King John 'Lackland' asked Muhammad al Nasir, Caliph of Al Andalous help for his conversion to islam in exchange of aid against the French.
Al Nasir refused, disgusted by the weakness and patheticness of the English King.
So tell me, how does it feel to know that you'd have had been a muslim like the ones you hate so much had a muslim man acted in a weak and cowardly way ? To know that you owe your entire identity to a muslim ?
>>2814096Tens of millions of Europeans have at least one Indian ancestor due to the presence of at least one full or partial Roma or in their family tree going back 1200 years
>>2814098>>2814098Lmao, I don't give a shit about your Communist revisionist "ACKSHALLE the royals were MUSLIM" propaganda, what are you people going to come out with next? "ACKSHALLE Churchill was BLACK", ACKSHALLE Windrush built Britain, ACKSHALEE Muslims won World War 2", it's all so fake and transparent, "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears" bullshit, funded and propagated by Jews who hate Britain
Latest drama in grifter-topic:
https://hopenothate.org.uk/2026/05/15/leaked-recordings-danny-tommo/Oh, and TIL that the gammon’s inability to tell truth from reality is because they watch a shit-ton of AI slop produced by some Asian bot farms that make thousands from their views:
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2025-11-16/king-of-slop-how-anti-migrant-ai-content-made-one-sri-lankan-influencer-richhttps://vm.tiktok.com/ZNRGwqohs/This perfectly encapsulates the level of cosmopolitanism the average reactionary like the one infesting this thread is in. Like, isn’t it funny for how all their talk about “preserving culture” and whatnot, all of the either have their brains melted by 4chan’s /pol/ or are outright busherites?
Not only that, but they’ll also copy American reactionaries in everything. They’re such parody of themselves, especially as they want to burn down Europe so that they can hand over the ashes to their patrons Trump, Likud, and Musk in the name of pedophobic slop.
The entire European right should be treated as a foreign intel op due to how blatant it is tbh.
>>2814109
And you freaks all have a hard on for Palestine after getting addicted to AI videos of dead Palestinian babies on Tiktok, yet you act like you're some sort of smug enlightened elite intellectual class, "ohh we need to EDUCATE the silly far right racist gammon plebs that Islam is superior and that they have no culture apart from curry and their patron saint is Turkish", fuck off you smug far left Islamaboo scum
>>2814109
one of the great ironies of the world is that the biggest threat to western civilization is stupid right wingers.
>>2814107
Mathieu de Paris wasn't a communist fucking retard.
You're coping, you're seething, because you, deep inside, know that the bunch of incestoues freaks your ancestors died for are descended from the exact same people you hate.
You can't stand that you're in failing nation a dying one and that the world is celebrating it, you can't stand that it's been over for the UK ever since the IRA humilated the black and tans, France created the modern world trought blood and tears while your kings were willing to sacrifice their gods in hope of a geopolitical victory. Pathetic really, Al Nasir was right not to convert that bastard John.
>>2814077Sums up the entirety of your ilk tbh.
And don’t you dare talk about women’s safety when all your ilk did was riot and ruin a community, goons far as vandalising a women’s shelter, because of fake news:
https://searchlightmagazine.com/2026/04/no-evidence-no-shame-the-far-right-lie-machine-that-terrorised-epsom/ >>2814113Ah, so people waving EVUL WAYCIST FAR RIGHT ENGLUND FLAGS are more of a threat than Islamist psychopaths going off on mass stabbing and car ramming attacks all over Europe on a weekly basis, gotcha
>>2814115And you far left piece of shit Islam loving scum were more outraged about Axel Monkeykabana being called a Muslim on Twitter (which he fucking was) than him butchering those little girls. You love Islamist terrorists with all your hearts, I hope you get murdered by them
>>2814114Yep. Pretty much the current British political crisis can be summarised as reactionary limeys being unable to come to terms with the fact that their glory days are over and never coming back, and that there will be never be another British empire that is more than just an international financial network of oligarchs based on the City of London.
>>2814118even in your delusional little world: yes, because the evil racist far right flag-shaggers with nothing going on in their life create a vote base for trump types who'll then exacerbate the west's decline through stupid economic and foreign policy decisions, paving the way for the chinese century. a world in which the west could remain powerful enough to prevent unilateral chinese action leading to a partnership-type future becomes one in which the chinese occupy the position of the US in the last century.
that is nothing compared to a 9/11 a year, let alone the statistically insignificant actions we actually see.
>>2814116
That's cool! Was she culturally fully British or did she have any cultural quirks, like did she cook Roma recipes, or maintain religious practices?
>>2814046I'm crying right now. You triggered everyone.
>>2814121The west is declining because you woke elite far-left scum have insisted on importing tens of millions of violent third world Islamic monkeys into our countries who hate us and want to kill us, all due to your Marxist worship of those you consider "oppressed". News flash, when you import millions of poor people into your prosperous country, YOU BECOME THE POOR COUNTRY. I bet you are all licking your lips with glee at the sight of Europe being destroyed as "karma for colonialism"
>>2814119Axel wasn’t a Muslim, and the average white girl is more likely to be murdered by her white dad or bf than some random-ass stranger, white or not, notwithstanding how homicide rates in general have been declining in the past years across the UK. Perhaps it’s time for you to start inwards instead of scapegoating others.
Facts don’t care about your feelings and pearl-clutching, you dumb wignat:
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-51572665https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/slightly-blighty/201509/who-murders-children-psychology-profiles-child-killershttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgk86rr0vxyo >>2814124if importing poor people made you poor the united states would not be a world superpower.
it isn't "islamic monkeys" who started the iran war, it was white monkeys. actually, i take that back, that's unkind to monkeys.
>>2814123The man is crying over the genealogy of the British monarchy and Monastical chronicles from the 13th century, I think he's triggered
>>2814124You say all this shit while worshipping the people at the head of the country, have a bit of consistency no ?
>>2814125He literally had an Al-Qaeda training manual, fuck me imagine simping for Islamic child killing psychos , bet you think he was a "poor ickle Welsh choirboy with menthol 'elf " , I wish you actually lived around the paedo violent Islamic scum you defend, your opinion on them would change very quickly
>>2814128That gammon lives in an alternate reality, as all gammons do. So ofc they are incapable on nuance and critical thinking, as shown by how they are far more outraged by sensationalised and isolated news about some random stranger raep or murder, rather than the fact that foreign surveillance company Palantir will have access to private info on NHS patients and whose head is a Trump shill that has gone out of his way to meet the descendant of traitor Oswald Mosley to recite Mosley’s speech on the need for Britain to make peace with Nazi Germany. And that’s while Starmer is implementing a surveillance state and escalating online censorship.
“We’ll have mass surveillance and there’s nothing you can do lefty!”
t. Gammon before being hauled off to die for the terrorist base of Israel and for international capital
>>2814137>British Nationalist>Rants like a radical French one.Many Such Cases.
>>2814135"Hurrr CRITICUL THIINKING", why won't the gammons realise we need to import a million billion more third world Muslims because DIVERSITY IS ARE STRENFFF"
You have no explanation for why " diversity is our strength " , you just worship the romanticised ideal that all immigrants are lovely little Paddington Bear teddy bears here to enrich us with their culyand spicy food, and little girls getting murdered is the price to pay for this "diversity "
>>2814139are you aware that britain is heading for net negative immigration under keir starmer
will you reward him for pandering to you with your vote?
>>2814139You have given no reason why we should worship your islam loving monarchs, they don't even have good food but little girls getting raped is the pirce to keep them in power.
It was a tactical mistake for the Left to uncritically accept the pro-capitalist position on accepting immigration, thereby suppressing wages. The fact is, immigration is used by capitalists as a valve to regulate the reserve army of labor, and therefore wages.
During times of economic growth and rising wages, the capitalist class increases immigration to suppress wages and calls anyone who opposes it racist. During times of economic decline and increasing unemployment, the capitalist class reduces immigration and deports immigrants and calls anyone who opposes it "anti-worker or globalist".
The most important thing to remember is that it's the exact same class doing both things.
So the communist position shouldnt be a naive "accept all immigration" nor should it be a reactionary "deport all immigrants". The best solution is to build solidarity between existing immigrants and native workers by educating both about why immigration exists and how the capitalist class uses it to manipulate labor. At the same time, all future immigration should be curbed to prevent decline in wages and increase in unemployment.
>>2814146Sure but there was no real choice aside from hard degrowth and economic stagnation, which the people would hate much more and would result in the self immolation of any faction going for it.
The western european left actually did toy around with anti-immigration sentiments in the 1970s and early 1980s with even figures like Mittérand, the upper echelons of the PS and Georges Marchais showing oppenness to the idea, but voters wanted contradictory things.
Reminder that even Orban and the Polish right caved to immigration in order to have an economy eventually.
"I want growth with 1.2 TFR without mass immigration and without having full automation" is just pie in the sky politics, it's not even worth entertaining really.
>>2814134>”He was Muslim I swear”>Source is having some PDFWow, you’re so desperate to prove a lie that you resort to nitpicking at the weakest evidence:
https://news.sky.com/story/teenager-pleads-guilty-after-planning-copycat-of-southport-killings-13492133
>The teenager had visited Southport, which is 15 miles away, and taken pictures of the area, collected knives, researched a Taylor Swift-themed event and downloaded the same al-Qaeda manual used by Axel Rudakubana to produce the poison ricin. He had also researched high school shootings and misogynist incels and considered an attack on his old school, after dropping out, according to prosecutors. […] The teenager pleaded guilty to possession of the Improvised Munitions Handbook, the Anarchist Cookbook 2000, a recipe for making ricin and the al-Qaeda training manual, downloaded between 21 January and 6 May.Really weak evidence, especially since his family is Christian. Keep coping gammon, scapegoating Muslims won’t help you in this case. And no, police didn’t reveal his identity up until he reached the age of majority since he was a minor when he committed the murder as standard procedure. Nothing to do with his race and religion.
As for mental health, he was under NHS mental care before he stopped engaging despite not being diagnosed with any illness in court. So it’s not like you can dismiss it 100% since there’s more proof of that than him being Muslim.
Nonetheless, that wouldn’t justify burning down the country to handover Britain’s sovereignty to Elon Musk and foreign-based oligarchs, nor the riots committed by race-hustling narcissists like you.
This idea that migrants are mass murdering white Britons en masse is a retarded myth because wignats are incapable of genuine economic critique, especially when most of the feminazi wignats don’t give a shit about white (British) women and children at all. Why else do they support electing the kind of people that would gut the very services said white (British) women and children rely on, or be silent when a white (British) man commits the abuses and murders?
>>2814149Yh, if Britain decided to impose a moratorium on all immigration in the following week, the economy would be devastated. It’s not just the tourism sector, but the healthcare and care sectors as well as much of the welfare state would be demolished or at the very least economically devastating for Britain. It would be far worse than anything Brexit wrought.
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if once Reform takes power, it will largely follow the same trajectory as Italy’s Meloni: Massive cuts in irregular immigration, but massive boost for legal immigration, especially when it comes to helping out certain sectors like the care industry. In Italy, the already abysmal birth rates has meant that agribusiness, care, tourism, and the construction sector have come to support immigration due to how they reliant they are on it for self-sustenance:
https://www.reuters.com/world/italy-issue-half-million-non-eu-work-visas-over-next-three-years-2025-06-30/ >>2814146- it was not a tactical mistake because it helps separate the high openness wheat from the low openness chaff. if you're closed-minded, you're very unlikely to be much use to the political side that's all about imagining better things are possible.
- such acceptance was never uncritical
- as you yourself recognize, the capitalist class takes both sides of the issue. if the left is absolutely, uncritically pro-immigration, this is obviously only 50% of "the capitalist position"
- wages don't work in isolation. a world in which one man makes £9999 and the other makes £1, and a world in which two men make £5000 are both a world where "wages" in aggregate are £10000. you are not really advocating for "higher wages" in general in the first case, you're just sucking off the bloke with the higher capacity to pay.
- britain's wage stagnation has almost nothing to do with immigration and a lot more to do with general economic mismanagement. australia, for example, has taken far more immigrants per head to no ill effect.
- there is no correlation between britain's unemployment rate and immigration. unemployment is primarily a result of macroeconomic policy. unless you look around and cannot see a thing useful task left to be done, the lack of jobs isn't because someone's gone and taken them all.
- if you accept a right-wing argument: the wage differential of shit jobs has been obliterated by poor productivity + minimum wage increases, with the simple effect that the only sane reason to become a care worker is because your visa is dependent on it because otherwise you'd have a much easier life waiting for an opening at tescos. so even in a world where there was a fixed number of jobs to go around, migrants would often not be competing for the same jobs. you will of course say that this is nasty and exploitative, but you have to consider the trade offs: being a care worker in britain beats sewing garments in bangladesh, deporting them in no way liberates them from exploitation.
>>2814149
voters going for nonsense is another one. again: starmer is very likely to hit net emigration this year, and anyone confident that doing this - giving the anti-immigrationists what they want - will win them over and get them to vote labour, should go and place a bet on Labour to win the next election now while the odds are bad!
>>2814141How can he? I mean, he rants about black/brown strangers murdering white strangers even doe not only are homicide rates in Britain at their lowest, but interracial stranger murder has always been statistically negligible compared to intraracial murder, especially familicide, spousal murder, and filicide.
As I said, he and is ilk care more about feelz than facts.
>>2814158You leftists are still crying about "muh Stephen Lawrence" more than 30 years after he was killed while black "youths" murder white children on a weekly basis, ooh I suppose their families should "shut up for the sake of diversity", eh?
>>2814159Prince andrew rapes little girls on a daily bais but I suppose their family should shut up for the sake of the monarchy.
Funny how you don't awnser anything about them tho !
>>2814159your government is controlled by child rapists and you don't say a thing about it.
you ain't against abuse you just want to weaponise it for your gains.
You're all paki loving Islamist far left scum , hope you all get blown up by the Peaceful Religion Of Peace
>>2814168I love watching Palestinians die ahhahaha
>>2814169It's so funny, you expected people to cope and seethe, but no one fell for it and you kept humiliated yourself, calling 13th century monks communists, and now, realising that nothing you say mean shit because you're extremly ignorant, you can't awnser anything, very sad !
Anyone going on any marches in London now be careful, since Met police have been ordered to arrest anyone who uses the word "intifada" for being an islamic-communist terrorist
Meanwhile the far right protesters will be sieg heiling while wearing their Israel flags and I doubt police will do a thing
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/neo-nazi-girl-called-herself-37159448https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/michail-chkhikvishvili-maniac-murder-cult-37155951Interesting how, despite all the gammons’ complaints about le woke MSM, said MSM barely reports on news like the ones above at the national level. Instead, it’s relegated to tabloids like The Mirror.
I don’t think the MSM is 100% biased, but it’s dumb at this point to pretend that sensationalism isn’t based on political expediency. Case in point, the same MSM hounding The Greens for “anti-semitism” whilst news of Reform UK and Restore Britain hosting literal Neo-Nazis and genuine anti-semites is met by the same corporate press with crickets.
Such a farce really.
Anyway, anyone who attended the rallies should post their on-the grounds report for everybody to read, especially those outside of London.
>>2814346<CCTV from the barbers captured the moment 5ft 2ins Burns swung an axe at his neck before he ducked at the last minute, avoiding the worst of the blow. The teenager then tried to strike Mr Mahmoodi again before he managed to disarm herBristol Kurds stay winning.
What’s going on with the rise of so-called “auditors”?:
https://searchlightmagazine.com/2026/03/do-not-feed-the-animals-confronting-the-rise-of-the-far-right-auditors/https://searchlightmagazine.com/2026/04/far-right-auditor-sends-rape-threats-to-anti-racists-family/And it seems like it’s not just political activists that they’re after:
https://archive.ph/CHmLBPersonally, they seem to combine the worst traits of street thugs and paparazzi to form a super-aggro and more insufferable versions of Nick Shirley. Despite their antics bordering on harassment, the police never deals with them since they technically don’t violate any law.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re funded via dark interest money by either oligarchs (domestic or foreign) or foreign governments.
>>2814352Just start battering the cunts like we do any other far-rightist. They'll soon go into something else hwen they can't make their YT cash without getting a kickin.
>>2814167you could have everything you ever wanted politically and the country would still get flooded with more third worlders because thats what the people who you elect do, suck the cock of the upper class.
>>2814358 (me)
Can you get stronger versions of whatever they put in those little stink-bombs for kids?
If they're filming you so you can't give them a hiding then it'd be funny to spray them with shit-smell they then have to walk around in trying to interview people.
https://news.sky.com/story/london-protests-latest-unprecedented-in-recent-years-police-operation-in-london-over-rival-protest-fears-13543456
> Tens of thousands of protesters attended rallies, suggests police commentator< Attendance figures for both of today's marches were "a lot" lower than organisers were suggesting, said police commentator Graham Wettone. He'd been given initial figures from sources in the Met Police. Wettone told Sky News he'd heard around 20,000 people attended the pro-Palestine Nakba march and around 60,000 - "or maybe slightly more" - attended the Unite The Kingdom march. Wettone said he thought the lower figures were likely to "upset everybody".Earlier, organisers for the pro-Palestine march estimated their protest was "ten times the size" of Tommy Robinson's rally, while Robinson said "millions" were attending his event.
Disappointing, but still better than last time I guess. Also, hopefully all of the attendees from this board have tried their best to game the newly-implemented face recognition cameras.
>>2814167>Religion of PeaceWhat year is it 2013??
>>2814476FOREVER FOR STARMER
>>2814477*Avicii - Wake Me Up intensifies*
What the bloody heck are these marches for? Isn't immigration at a 70% reduction under Shlomo Starmer?
Any arrests happened on this controlled pressure valve march or is that only reserved for protesting a parasitic foreign nation?
>>2814516Its about vice-signalling.
I don't think schools teach children to be creative enough. Everyone should be made to create their own art before they graduate (it can be anything that they want as long as it is creatively done)
https://x.com/smile2jannah/status/2055643859019768046Black woman complains on stage about English people being genocided in a white nationalist rally and gets cheers from the crowd
>>2814516You're right, the English people should be marching for more immigration and arrest anyone who complains about crime and rape committed by brown people
>>2814137is gammon britbong for chud
>>2814046>izzlamo-[thing i also dont like]zionist alert
>>2814516>What the bloody heck are these marches for? For less immigration, and remigration of existing migrants, including naturalized ones.
>Isn't immigration at a 70% reduction under Shlomo Starmer?From historic highs, so its still too high. For context, for the UK to have the same immigration rate as China, it would have to drop by 95%.
And people don't trust that the govt wont just bring the numbers back when pressure is let off. People don't even fully trust Reform and consider it to be the less worse alternative.
>Any arrests happened on this controlled pressure valve march or is that only reserved for protesting a parasitic foreign nation?No arrests happened in either this protest, or the one protesting for Palestine.
>>2814540Gammon refers to reactionary English pensioners
"Gammon" is the redness of their skin due to high blood-pressure, which appears phenotypical of Anglo-Saxon peoples.
>>2814545The main issue with most immigration rhetoric is that it fails to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration, and so it confuses its messaging. I am then lead to believe that its not about "immigration" per se (since I'm sure we would accept plenty of more Ukrainian refugees), but its about less brown/black people in the UK, full stop. It is the movement from nationalism to racism.
>>2814582>It is the movement from nationalism to racism.This isn't really in contention; there was a notable channel 4 interview with some of the asylum protestors a few months back where their entire discourse hinged on the implicit and normative assumption of race as being the presiding factor over being relocated to their town.
>>2814597Their dissatisfaction*
>>2814539
Yes it is and anything can be learned.
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