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>>2808921 Nothing happens until it’s absolutely necessary and there’s no other option
NVDA is skyrocketing good lord.
I hate AI slop but I invested before NVDA got huge off AI and I've made 460% gain (kicking myself for not putting in way more).
>>2811429>>2811418Because when the Communists engineer an accelerationist crisis the state will openly turn it's machinery of genocide against the American people, which will turn them against it in droves. See: ICE raids under Noem. Two Americans were shot and it caused such massive discontent that it caused the administration to blink.
Imagine what would happen if 200 Americans were shot. Or 2000. Or if the government started drone striking apartments like the Zionists do.
The people would turn against them in droves. This is, in fact, the ONLY way to wake up the American people. The government sheds blood in their name constantly, they all know it and none of them care because it is not their blood.
Only when THEY personally bleed will they care.
>>2811426>>2811429Good, if all these people suffer they will be radicalized and brought into politics by force. As Lenin CLEARLY stated, there cannot be a revolution until there is a crisis which effects both the bourgeoisie and the proletariat and draws the masses into politics.
Our job, as Communists, is to engineer that crisis. No one else can or will do it for us.
>>2811466Yeah and I wish I bet on the Seahawks at the Super Bowl, you can’t gamble through life man
>>2811469They’ll be radicalized against you, not the government lol, you’re making the exact errors Gonzalo made but you’re humble enough not to consider yourself a fifth theoretical head of Marxism
>>2811474the real "crisis" fedlix is looking for will come with the re-proletarianization of the USA after the US's currency hegemony crumbles and the shitty prole jobs we outsoruced to china under nixon all get re-shored.
>>2811469And deliberately making things worse for everybody and thereby causing the government to start killing them will make the people join up with the guys responsible for making everything worse because…?
Continuing from the last thread:
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>>2811469>Imagine what would happen if 200 Americans were shot. Or 2000. Or if the government started drone striking apartments like the Zionists do.depends if the victims are white or black tbqh. which is why any kind of class war has to be based on racial solidarity with honkeys using themselves as human shields to protect everyone else. americans simply won't care unless it's a white or jewish(white) person dying.
>>2811476Not happening, I work in a factory in America right now, these factories are so automated they only bring a dozen jobs instead of the hundreds or thousands like in the history textbooks
>>2811472The hard part is now resisting the urge to put in more.
I really do think the AI slop bubble will pop and Nvidia is right at the center of it. It's just a matter of when.
>>2811480why don't the workers just start actively destroying or at least sabotaging the robots to give themselves job security? i don't get it.
>>2811477They will join in droves because the Government will be literally murdering them and their families in the streets, or kidnapping them at gunpoint to torture in their black sites. This is exactly what happened in South Africa. The response to Sharpeville was not the abandonment of the liberation struggle, but rather it's intensification and massive scale recruitment.
>>2811482Because the average American worker is a willing and enthusiastic collaborator who directly benefits from imperialism and until that connection is severed, they can be nothing but a reactionary.
>>2811481generally when these bubbles pop the central players are insulated from the fallout. it'll be peripheral AI startups or companies that don't actually have any tangible products and just "hype" like (hopefully) OpenAI that will explode into bankruptcy. Nvidia will be fine even when the bubble pops.
>>2811482You don’t even need robots, my factory is very primitive and even with equipment from the 50s we pump put hundreds of thousands of pounds of steel a month, you’re never gonna be in a situation where the majority of workers are in manufacturing no matter how much reshoring is done
>>2811485All classes in America are reactionary, we need to be invaded by China
>>2811487But "fine" could be significantly lower than where it is right now.
idk it's best not to obsess over it I guess, I just check every so often
I find the lack of midwestern milfs disturbing
>>2811492People from the midwest are fat and ugly generally
>>2811488the point isn't to rebuild the manufacturing industry but that as the economy gets more automated workers need to start thinking about their professional future in the face of automation.
my local doctors office replaced all the receptionists with AI kiosks for intake etc. when there's a problem one of the nurses has to come out and fix it which slows down the whole process but because they can save on like, 1 person's salary it's apparently justified to make the nurse work double duty. this is what the "automation" process actually looks like and workers need to stop accepting the extra work to fix the fuckups caused by management trying to cut costs.
>>2811494The milf title already excludes such people
>>2811482>why don't the workers just start actively destroying or at least sabotaging the robots to give themselves job security? i don't get it.this already happened in history, and it didn't work.
<About 1630, a wind-sawmill, erected near London by a Dutchman, succumbed to the excesses of the populace. Even as late as the beginning of the 18th century, sawmills driven by water overcame the opposition of the people, supported as it was by Parliament, only with great difficulty. No sooner had Everet in 1758 erected the first wool-shearing machine that was driven by water-power, than it was set on fire by 100,000 people who had been thrown out of work. Fifty thousand workpeople, who had previously lived by carding wool, petitioned Parliament against Arkwright’s scribbling mills and carding engines. The enormous destruction of machinery that occurred in the English manufacturing districts during the first 15 years of this century, chiefly caused by the employment of the power-loom, and known as the Luddite movement, gave the anti-Jacobin governments of a Sidmouth, a Castlereagh, and the like, a pretext for the most reactionary and forcible measures. It took both time and experience before the workpeople learnt to distinguish between machinery and its employment by capital, and to direct their attacks, not against the material instruments of production, but against the mode in which they are used.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch15.htm >>2811485>this shit againYou spend too much time online.
>>2811506Surely arguing with people he considers militant anti-communists online will make him the next Lenin
>>2811485The situation in America is nothing like South Africa. As you said, the vast majority of Americans are willing and eager collaborators who facilitate imperialism for the love of the game. If some communists start blowing shit up and the government issues a crackdown that sweeps up ordinary people, what do you think is more likely to happen? Are they going to jump into the awaiting arms of the people they see as destroying their way of life? Or are they going to help the government and ignore the occasional civilian collateral damage?
Your "plan" is self defeating
>>2811511>capital has been fighting automation for centuries capital doesn't fight automation, it just destroys surplus commodities in a crisis of overproduction, but uses automation happily to the extent that it can get rid of workers and grow the reserve army of labor. Read Capital. But also read Rajani Palme Dutt Fascism and Social Revolution Chapter 3 Section "The Destruction of the Productive Forces" because he addresses your point without burying Marxism
>>2811485Hey Felix has anyone in your life ever told you to shut the fuck up? Because it sounds like you need to hear it.
Virtue signaling faggot >>2811511>you're a liberal for quoting Marx talking about the Luddite movement???????
>>2811514>Your "plan" is self defeatingthat's because his goal isn't what he pretends it is.
>>2811510Every time I’m back here he’s still at it. Him and sakaicel
For years they’ve been spending every day spamming this place. Literal years. I think they’ve been here longer than thingnoticer
>>2811523I pine for the good old days when our trolls put in effort. 'member tfwnogf nazi? Or the baboon poster? Now those were trolls of class
>>2811480Anon where do I even begin, China and India and other countries America outsourced the jobs to not only pay less than America, but also have higher populations. If you think "only like 12" jobs would come back you are delusional. The prerequisite condition for capital reshoring is the end of US currency hegemony. Which is already crumbling, because the petrodollar scehme is dying. Unless they peg USD to some other globally required commodity it's not coming back. Nixon already had to end the gold standard because countries wanted to get rid of their dollar reserves and redeem it for gold. US currency and military hegemony are both what hold together US exorbitant privilege in trade. If those collapsed, which it seems like they are going to, Nobody will work for Americans when their dollar is garbage. We will experience weimar style hyperinflation. Especially with money printer go brrrrrrrr at the fed
>>2811501The same reason why Palestinian people continue to join Hamas after October 7th (which was a terrible mistake, BTW) or why they continued to join the ANC after Sharpeville.
The people don't care who engineered the crisis when the government is literally murdering their children in the streets and bombing their homes with bunker-buster bombs. They will join anyone who is willing to defend them.
The goal is to force the government to overreact, which it will inevitably do, because it's only method of maintaining it's power is through naked force.
>>2811510"Lenin, why do you spend so much time arguing with Kautsky, who you consider a renegade?"
>>2811524Them and JIMMYNOOOOOOTICER were at least fun to laugh at.
Felix, sakaicel, Magyar anon, chagos guy - they’re just sad
>>2811525>readers added context>nuh uh they heckin FOUNDERINO AND FLIPPIN BUILTARONI DA CUM-PUNNY. MUH JOB CREATORS. MUH TOOK ON RISK. MUH INNOVATIVE VISIONEROabsolute classcucks.
>>2811538>Felix, sakaicel, chagosyes
>magyar anonwhat? who?
>>2811539Once again, you all see things like this and then deny the obvious truth that I keep telling you, which is that the VAST majority of Americans are willing and enthusiastic collaborators.
It's not even their fault, but it is still material reality.
>>2811541He’s a Hungarian guy who occasionally shows up to screech about treatlers
>>2811543go back to Finland, Asiatic Hun
>>2811540this is not a polemic, though, this is impotent whining that everyone isn't doing his job for him while he screams at DSA members because they're basically the nazi party or whatever
>>2811531the difference, dumbass, is palestinians aren't willing and enthusiastic collaborators of zionism, and black south africans weren't willing and enthusiastic collaborators of apartheid.
your thesis fails because it you contradict yourself. one second you say burgers are willing and enthusiastic collaborators, the second you say they are like palestinians joining hamas, if you just "force" the government to "overreact."
>>28115294% inflation last month alone but essential goods are more like a 10% inflation, capitalist tricknology "the TVs are cheaper now so inflation isn't so bad!" is why it's even 4% on average
this summer is gonna make 2020 look like a joke, you know how no american can afford an emergency? do you think any business can withstand sustained loss in a service driven economy? what happens when gas is $6 a gallon and people simply cannot afford to go out to eat, to go to work even? rapid economic collapse which is fine if you're at the very top and can then buy up all these closed businesses, evicted rentals, etc wholesale at a deep discount
been seeing a lot of people pushing cars at red lights lately, why? because they are running out of gas. my friend has an hour commute because that's how America is built. She drives an Accord and even still her gas cost has effectively doubled and it will almost certainly double again. She works in an office, all of the restaurants and shit rely on that type of worker going to lunch, getting food on the way home, etc. What happens to the resturant workers who are making $10-14 an hour here when a gallon of gas hits $6 and no one is coming to spend money or tip?
we are just at the dicktip of the curve baby
>>2811531You are not fucking Vladimir Lenin and none of us has anywhere close to the influence of Karl Kautsky, holy shit you have a crippling delusion of self importance
>>2811551>4% inflation last month alone but essential goods are more like a 10% inflation, capitalist tricknology "the TVs are cheaper now so inflation isn't so bad!" is why it's even 4% on averageyep
>this summer is gonna make 2020 look like a joke, you know how no american can afford an emergency? do you think any business can withstand sustained loss in a service driven economy? what happens when gas is $6 a gallon and people simply cannot afford to go out to eat, to go to work even?this is what i keep saying. the real crisis is re-proletarianization. think of all the service based petty bourgeois who will lose their businesses in the coming crisis. they will join the reserve army of labor, and will have to be re-proletarianized or become a "public nuisance" (committing crimes to survive)
>>2811525the readers added context has me rolling. like elon musk has more dollars than SECONDS he has been alive. not days, not hours, not minutes, SECONDS. do they really think a person can "earn" a dollar every second through their "work?" these people seem to believe in a labor theory of value, but only for capitalists. for workers, they seem to have a subjective theory of value.
>>2811551Adding fuel this fire is Trump openly stating the other day he doesn't give a shit about what happens to the people.
It wouldn't surprise me if people started going after MAGATs once shit hits the fan.
>>2811544ooooooooh that guy. he posts the weird pictures of himself with the snow in his beard that looks like jizz and he says he eats 5000 calories to maintain his weight. I told him to get checked for cancer.
>>2811551>what happens when gas is $6 a gallon and people simply cannot afford to go out to eat, to go to work even?Absolutely nothing will happen and you're fooling yourself by thinking otherwise.
The fact that you're not even capable of shooting Kaitlyn Bennett, despite your military training, is proof that you are not now and never will be a Communist.
>>2811549Americans are willing and enthusiastic collaborators because Imperialism means that it is currently in their material interests to be such. Once this connection is severed by forcing American power to turn inwards, the resulting crisis will draw people into politics on a massive scale.
>>2811574It's pretty fitting that you NEETs have such utter contempt for an exploited worker.
>>2811575You're just restating your thesis again while ignoring the counterarguments, you're a narcissist who's not worth anybody's time
>>2811303Bit late to respond to this, I worked a morning shift and got only 3 hours of sleep, but I think the only way Trump gets canonized is if he's assassinated. Then he can be absolved of
everything and his fans can cope by saying if he just finished his term then we would've seen everything work out.
If Trump finishes his term or gets impeached, then he goes down as an idiot whose incompetence wrecked the country.
Reagan could be canonized by the GOP because, well, say what you will but he was great for capitalists. He had an obvious "win" in that the USSR began to rapidly implode under Gorbachev (I've seen way too many people attribute Reagan's "Tear Down This Wall!" speech to the cause of the Berlin wall falling) and gave the appearance of ending stagflation.
Trump's caused inflation to skyrocket, he's exploded the deficit, his trade policies are simultaneously destroying small businesses while enriching a cabal of insiders who are trading off whatever retarded decision he announces. And all of this is blasted publicly thanks to social media.
What'll be really fascinating is if the post-Trump GOP is unable to move on from him. Like McCain's campaign was trying to pretend it wasn't associated with Bush, I don't know that any Republican can pretend to be separate from Trump at this point.
Felix will be be turned into glue
>>2811575>It's pretty fitting that you NEETs have such utter contempt for an exploited worker.i don't have contempt for him, I think it's unwise to dox yourself on here, and if you have to eat 5000 calories to maintain your weight, you might have cancer, no matter how hard you work, that is like 2000 more calories than an ice age hunter gatherer ate daily
>>2811582They'll canonize him regardless I think, or at least try to. The Republican Party IS Trump and his cult of personality at this point, no separating the two without the destruction of the Republican Party itself. It's like Peron but somehow even more unhinged and delusional because Peron at least improved people's quality of life while Trump is just making everything worse for everyone in the most comically obvious way possible but we're just supposed to pretend that it's good actually
>>2811582Trump will be canonized and your insane, far-right "Communist" party will be directly responsible for it through your policy of collaboration with the Democrats, who exist primarily to prevent any leftward movement in American politics and consolidate the gains of the far-right under the guise of respectable moderation.
>>2811585An ice age hunter gatherer worked far less than your average Proletarian does today, you would know this if you had ever actually worked before.
Realistically, the only way Trump won't finish his term is if he died of a heart attack or from some other health issue
>>2811590they "worked" less but they basically had to walk nonstop. not even olympic athletes need 5k calories a day. you're missing my point that I was warning that guy he might have cancer. not even at my worst manual labor jobs working 12+ hours a day when my metabolish was at its best in my 20s did I need 5000 calories a day. and I'm not some stunted dwarf. When he told me that it rang an alarm bell . That's potentially cancer. he said he was drinking and smoking every day too. NOT GOOD! you say I have "no empathy for an explotied worker" while i warn him about his health. maybe you're just an idiot who is missing the point on purpose?
>>2811575>this blatantly untrue statement is true because muh orthodoxyThis is why people mock leninists
>>2811597yep he's missing my point on purpose…
>>2811516Illiterate retard spotted
Read Marx and ditch the other retard
>>2811609can you say where I was wrong? you can't. I have read Capital. I am literally telling you what Capital says. Rajani Palme Dutt pretty much agrees with Capital, but his section on the destruction of the productive forces is important because he was writing in the 1930s when the US government was literally paying farmers to destroy crops and let fields lie fallow, the Brazilian government was burning billions of dollars of coffee, the British government was destroying livestock without butchering or selling the meat. They were all doing this because during a crisis of overproduction, the capitalists destroy surplus commodities to stabilize the prices. They can't simply give them away because that will decrease demand. They want to raise the price without decreasing the demand. So they destroy the supply. But they like automation because it allows them to grow the reserve army of labor and depress wages. Not a single word I've said has been wrong. It was true in Marx's time and it is true now you are just doing that leftypol BULLSHIT where you say I am wrong without elaborating or quoting.
read yakov smirnoff
>>2811614More like yack my dick off
>>2811618ayy that was good bro
>>2811600China has abandoned internationalism (and therefore Marxism) long ago and cannot be relied on to meaningfully oppose the imperialist system which they have willingly joined.
The only people who can liberate the American workers are the American workers. They must be drawn into politics by the creation of a crisis which shakes the foundations of American society. There is no other way.
>>2811634If that was going to happen it would have been COVID, it wasn’t, there is no “final crisis” of neoliberal postmodernity, language and community are too eroded for any meaningful resistance.
>>2811637It will not happen until there is a Communist party willing to act and force the people into politics, then organize the radicalized masses into further acts of resistance against the US government.
Such a thing no longer exists (thanks to DNCPUSA and DᛋᛋA) and it must be rebuilt from scratch.
Anyways, any hot button issues you want Mr. Wilimos to comment on,foreign or domestic?
>>2811645That didn’t work for the weather underground or the adventurist faction of the panthers, why would it work now? What would be different?
>>2811600Did the CPC ever formally renounce their stand on opposition to "peaceful coexistence?" Because freaking out over the USSR's use of this phrase was one of the main reasons for the Sino-Soviet split.
>>2811650Neither one had any connection to the working class.
This is why I propose the SACP as an alternative model, their movement had deep connections to the labor movement and used that as the basis of it's struggle.
>>2811661Both the weathermen and the panthers were an army without a party. This is an error. You must have a party which directs the army.
>>2811661>>2811662But if the working class are willing and enthusiastic collaborators they’ll not joining
>>2811679Most people are cowards who will surrender their principles in moments of mortal peril, it really won’t take much other than a few guns pointed at them
>>2811517I haven't been in this general and months and this guy is still going at it, actual no lifer lmao
>>2811660what did the phrase even entail at the time, I genuinely don't know. Cause tbh the two major nuclear powers of the world agreeing to peaceful coexistence doesn't seem like an awful idea at face value then or now.
>>2811679not only is these a rehash of Marcuse but a cope for your own inability to actually have a normal fucking conversation with workers lol
>>2811675haters will say that's a fake vid
so did xi execute trump or what
>>2811684For fucking real, american leftists need to just fucking own up to the fact that they need to get better at talking to people rather than rationalize their own alienating rhetoric as
>THEY'RE ALL KNOWING COLLABORATORS!!!!!! THE STONED CASHIER AT KFC MASTURBATES TO WAR CRIMES!1111111111111111 >>2811684>>2811693you guys need to scroll up. homeboy was using felix's own logic on him, not agreeing with it.
>>2811662the panthers did have a party though it was just infiltrated and dismantled by the FBI.
>>2811682this. people who try to apply 1917 logic after 1945 either keep forgetting nukes exist or pretend they actually are unimportant.
>>2811701This is AI slop. Can someone please get Xi to do this for real?
>>2811705sorry bud, best I can do is chug 3 water bottles and skeet out some pixels representing an approximation of what you wanna see
>>2811251>>2811248>>2811245https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/leafhandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epmr_pte_nus_dpg&f=mMay is most seasonal month for gasoline. This verified by data which proves you wrong in saying that "the economic effects havent happened yet." The economic effect are here and clear. The economic effect visible in secons and third world where gas is 10 dollar gallon.
>>2811242I agree with you fully.
>>2811251You are hateful moron. Only "argument" i make is in recognizing the material condition that yank gas prices were higher under bidenomic imperialism. You are such redditor that you conflate mere statement of facts and data as arguementation. You have been defeated.
>middle class labor aristocrat
pseudo western academics were a mistake.
>>2811716So how about lets check back in a week and see if gas prices rose
>>2811739Babylon ist fallen
>>2811739bond yields and bond prices are inversely correlated so if you see yields spiking the price is crashing
>>2811709This graph just how only the ultra rich have gotten richer and both the poor and middle classes have been fucked over.
>>2811698aw shit my b jebaited again
>>2811760Funny how those two tendencies tend to coincide. It's pretty funny; every income distribution chart shows the one going down and the other going up in lockstep.
>>2811621I've never seen the appeal of the Word Bearers.
>>2811759So the value of the dollar is going down?
>>2811780if they print to make up the difference. the immediate concern is higher yields = riskier bond which will put stress on the governments ability to borrow money. but if america wants to transition to an export economy a weak dollar will at some point become desirable
does anyone have a good resource or e-book/zine for being self-sufficient during times of economic crisis? like growing your own food, stocking up on long-lasting essentials, etc? I know this mostly falls into the prepper genre but I imagine things will hit the fan fairly quick and there won't be much time to prepare. Meanwhile being a prepper requires like years of preparation building bunkers and learning to hunt and all that stuff, and also requires owning your own rural land which is not accessible to most people.
>>2811807nothing ever happens
>>2811807Most of prepping is mundane shit like knowing how to scavenge, ration, acquire and store water, first aid, find directions using the stars, stuff like that. If SHTF you're not gonna be farming and building a bunker lol
>>2811807step 1: move to the west coast to accept chinese aid
>>2811779They generally get kinda shafted in terms of characterization, but Argel Tal is a certified bro and it's also just fun to read the parts of their books where the Ultramarines get their shit kicked in, even if it's temporary
>>2811814I've been encouraging every leftist I know to come to cali for a long time. the west coast and PNW are the ideal places to start a socialist revolution.
>>2811817I definitely think so too. in an ideal situation the american navy could be denied access to the pacific, especially if China helps secure the panama canal for 'international security'
>>2811810If China cucks out and joins AmeriKKKa against Iran, I will never let dengoids live it down.
>>2811815>Argel Tal is a certified broOh yeah, he rocks. I should have said this: there are individual characters that I like and Lorgar is an interesting guy, but I can take or leave the Legion itself. They're like the Death Guard, I don't dislike them or anything, but they're kind of just there, but people I know who like them don't play about them.
>>2811824What are the odds?
>>2811824Doesn't China already trade weapons and tech w/ Israel? Same with Vietnam. They cucked out a long time ago
>>2811827israel gave china secret fighter jet designs paid for with american R&D money
>The illegal transfer of plans for the Lavi aircraft from Tel Aviv to Beijing first became known by the Pentagon when an American surveillance satellite orbiting over China spotted several new fighter planes on the runway of a Chinese air base traditionally used for the test and evaluation of prototype aircraft. Imagery experts at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) created rough sketches of the jet, then processed the graphic data through high-speed supercomputers in order to obtain three-dimensional representations of the prototype Chinese fighter planes.
>CIA officials specializing in aviation technology were stunned at the 3-D images generated by the computers. China's newest fighter jet was in fact a copy of the Israeli Lavi, which itself was modeled upon the U.S. F-16 Fighting Falcon multi-role aircraft.https://www.wrmea.org/1996-january/u.s.-military-technology-sold-by-israel-to-china-upsets-asian-power-balance.html >>2811822California also produces a massive percentage of Americas actual food(not cornfeed) and economic output. if a bunch of leftists somehow occupied the CA statehouse and decided to stop paying taxes to the feds and formed an alliance with China to blockade the pacific I don't think the burgerreich could sustain a war for very long. They also wouldn't want to use nukes because it's too close to the burger mainland and the winds and water supply would blow nuclear fallout into the rest of the US. It's a very favorable situation for us imo.
>>2811830based.
it's a shame this dead-ass land only produces neolib politicians and class traitor politicians.
>>2811830>>2811833I hate Californian exceptionalism with a passion
>>2811830The US military units inside California alone are enough to wipe out your nascent rebellion. It's a major base for both Marines and Navy.
>>2811709You graph literally says the opposite beginning with the headline
what are you smoking
>>2811839The American middle class has shrunk vs 1971, however if you were capable of even reading numbers you would see that the middle and upper classes still represent a majority of the American population and the "stoned cashier at KFC" represents, at best, around 30% of America.
>>2811840You didn't read your own graph, did you?
>>2811850The majority of "middle class" Americans own stock and are therefore not Proletarian, sorry. A proletarian is specifically defined as reserveless and capitalless by Marx, the labor aristocrat owns capital, just not enough to stop working.
See: CPUSAnon, a labor aristocrat who sides with the bosses over his own material interests.
>>2811852If a peasant owns a patch infront of his house where he occasionally farms soem vegetables is he now a fuedal lord?
>>2811853xi's a bitch and a coward for not having his XiIA agents execute trump right then and there
>>2811853Is xi uust looking at him thinking what a retard
>>2811854He is petty-bourgeois. Anyone who owns land is, by definition, petty bourgeois.
retard
>>2811859By that logic socialist countries are more "petty bourgeois" than most capitalist ones since they often have higher rates of home ownership. Mfs out here talking about how classes are defined but don't even understand the concept of private property.
>>2811861>By that logic socialist countries are more "petty bourgeois" than most capitalist oneTrvth Nvke
>>2811859>>2811852interesting may we see these definitions?
>>2811861switched from owning a patch of land to owning their house. in any case
>>2811862 >>2811861Peasants are petty bourgeois. This is basic Marxism, please read books.
The lower middle class, the small manufacturer, the shopkeeper, the artisan, the peasant, all these fight against the bourgeoisie, to save from extinction their existence as fractions of the middle class. They are therefore not revolutionary, but conservative. Nay more, they are reactionary, for they try to roll back the wheel of history."
— Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels, The Communist Manifesto
You literally don't even understand what a peasant is. A peasant owns enough land to support themselves through their own labor, therefore they are petty bourgeoisie. They are still exploited, by richer peasants and by capitalists, but that is true of all petty-bourgeoisie.
>>2811874bro
they made clavicular indian wth
Be honest. Are any of you willing to vote for Mr. Wilimos(NC-PLA) for u.s senate?
Why or why not?
>>2811852>a labor aristocrat who sides with the bosses over his own material interests.Labor aristocrat material interest is in siding with bosses, you dumbass. You are the one with false consciousness. These yanks act in typical way in accordance with material interest, historically precedented since dawn of both imperialist and primitive colonial age. That is definition of labor aristocrat.
>>2811854>>2811859Comparing average yank to a working peasant is unscientific cope. THE YANK IS NOT A PEASANT. Settler colonizer exploiter and oppressor class collaborationist formation are not peasants. Yank settler class collaborationist formation collaborates with the israeli formation to fund programs for the israeli lumpen. The destitute israeli and euroamerikan lumpen, whose existence is sustained by imperialism and colonialism, squats on stolen land.
The euroamerik bourgeoisie collaborates with euroamerik labor aristocrats to vote for bourgeois genocidal party, like cpusa and kamala, enriching both colluding sections and oppressing third world proletarians and national revolutionary bourgeoisies of endo-colonies and territories.
This euroyankqui settler formation collaborate with the likewise israeli settler formation to distribute treats to the israeli formation.
Peasants cannot possibly do anything lile this. Peasant never run the world. Yanks not peasant
>>2811861Capitalist private property is abolished in Communist States, you dumbass. The system of exploitation of man by man abolished. Homes are distributed according to socialist material law of planned production, not capitalist mechanisms.
>>2811874Being vice president is so humiliating. The rest of the team gets to go hang out in China with the big boys while J.D. has to do this bitch-ass trick shit.
>>2811853>I was looking at the children…. and fondly remembering a dead friend and tropical landowner, no doubt
>>2811859>>2811852you know what? you're right. i'm petty bourgeois. but i'm gonna be a based class traitor like engels. down with imperialism. down with the burger reich. up with the global proletariat.
>>2811861whenever i've made this exact point they suddenly stop replying and let the conversation die and hope nobody notices
>>2811856you have to understand that met his political crush.
magatards will cope about it, though.
>>2811905This time Sabotabby was swatted aside with a quote from the literal founding document of Communism. Besides, what "socialist" countries are you talking about? China re-implemented capitalism and abandoned Marxism (this can be seen by their abandonment of internationalism, a pillar of Marxist doctrine) and is not socialist. They have a state directed Capitalist system explicitly modelled on that of 1970s Japan, which was post-Fascist dictatorship.
>>2811709>Middle income is defined as an annual household income between two thirds and double the national median incomeYou're like the sort of person who thinks that a whole country could be 130 or 70 autism score.
>>2811882>Settler colonizer exploiter and oppressor class collaborationist formation are not peasants. So there where no peasants in russia east of the urals in 1917?
>>2811913you really shouldn't use The Communist Manifesto as a source of all truth. after all, it's a
Manifesto.
>>2811841After the 4chan/twitter presidency, will we have a leftypol presidency?
>>2811923Minister of light industry and consumer goods felix
Ministry of action felix
Minister of unions cpusa anon
Minister of sex ed ginjeet
Minister of culture and historical remembrance
Wrong schizo
Ambassador from maldive to usa
Chagos
>>2811597fedlix is always on the offensive. always looking for a way your words "prove" something bad about you. when you clarify to the extent that he runs out of uncharitable interpretations, he doesn't apologize, he just disappears, happy to have wasted your time. he is a troll.
>>2811841>counterterrorism czar Sebastian Gorkahttps://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/new-counterterror-strategy-eyes-tucker<Let’s be real: none of this is actually about extremism. It’s about the fact that Carlson, like Fuentes, recently broke with Trump — bitterly — over the Iran War. That's the real offense. So now they’re being cast as extremist threats. But to avoid alarming conservatives, the administration can't just say that — it has to first strip them of their conservative credentials, redefine them as something foreign-affiliated and dangerous, and then go after them."You aren't a real conservative if you don't cheer the finance pedo cabal of Jeffrey Epstein Zionists who have raped countless thousands of your neighbors" Literally the only thing conservatives care about is avoiding being cucked by globalists lol
<You don’t have to like Carlson or Fuentes (who says things like “I love Hitler” and is easy not to like) in order to see that. Consider, for a moment, the rhetoric that likely fueled Gorka’s freakout.<Carlson has called Trump’s Iran war “the single biggest mistake Trump, or any American president, has made in my lifetime.” He has slammed the strikes as “reprehensible and immoral,” insisting the war “doesn’t serve American interests in any conceivable way” and suggesting it happened “at the behest and then the demand of Israel.”<…that’s the substance Gorka is trying to launder out of the “conservative movement” by redefining Carlson and Fuentes as something else: in Carlson’s case, a Sharia fan."Islam thinks your daughters should not be sex slaves traded in the free market" yet another thing conservatives define their entire ideology around avoiding
<At this point you might be wondering why none of this has been reported — a question big mouth Gorka answers in an interview with actor-turned-media commentator Dean Caine about the National Counterterrorism Strategy. Gorka beams about how little negative coverage the media have given the Strategy, calling it “delicious.” literally the entire Zionist media has collaborated with the psyop that Americans are Hamas terrorists. Journalists are foreign adversaries, not Tucker!
>>2811853What do you think Xi thinks in that moment?
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