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>>2805632 Mr. wilimos is searching for an official slogan. Any suggestions?
>>2808930You’re the guy managing a campaign for that Hoxhaist candidate yeah?
Dunno what seat he’s running for but I’ve always been partial to updating the old “Peace, Land, and Bread” slogan to something like “Peace, Homes, and Healthcare” or some other play on that (“Peace, Wealth, Health”?)
>>2808940What do we do about people who believe this nonsense? They're certainly not totally irrelevant.
>>2808942convince them to sign up to die for israel
>>2808940does he just fixate on the number 47 because he's president 47?
man grandpa is so dumb.
>>2808944There’s Q schizos who get really into numerology so I wouldn’t be shocked if Trump kind of picked it up second hand.
Hopefully Hentavirus kills me
>>2808940I feel like Trump has gotten really bad at tweeting. He just writes essays now. I assume this is an intern dictating or maybe ghostwriting by that ghoul Stephen Miller.
>>2808947best I can do is Hentaivirus
>>2808950Why can't there be cool viruses like this.
https://www.moses4senatesd9.org/I am a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the United States Air Force. In that position I served as a Deputy Missile Combat Crew Commander, Instructor Deputy Missile Combat Crew Commander and a Missile Combat Crew Commander & Senior Instructor. My primary responsibility entailed being prepared and taught other crew members how and when to launch a Nuclear Missile at an adversary once given the instructions from the President of the United States. Additionally, I was responsible for all requirements to support and maintain America’s largest ever Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) on a day-to-day basis. This included propellant transfer responsibilities after being selected for additional Missile Maintenance related duties. I later served as an adjunct professor at a Colorado-based, private-for-profit University as a business department instructor. My DoD (Department of Defense) career recently ended as a Civil Servant supporting missile defense related programs for the U.S. and over a half-dozen allied countries and territories. Having been vetted to successfully support some of the Nation’s Highest Defense related programs, I am now ready to bring that leadership experience closer to home having been nominated and accepted to run for Senator in Colorado Senate District 9.
>>2808930Is this who you speak of?
>>2808959>uh oh, better help the islamists purge the communists and nationalistsqrd?
>>2809021anyone who regularly posts in steam forums should be sent to a gulag honestly
absolute shithole
>>2809022cia shared their files on tudeh with khomeinis govt so iran could kill and jail the reds. call it a bourgeois united front
Is any anon here from the midwest? I have a serious inquiry
>>2809021They took away their girlfriends… Big mistake
>>2809021>sperguing about titties and feminist on vydia in 2026.I always wonder how dumb, goy sometimes can be.
>>2809093Mind raped by IED concussions award
>>2809096AFAIK the closest to anything like that he did was the sianai observation mission where they just patrol desert as a garantee that egypt wont move tanks near israel
Midwest anons how are the gas prices? Is what I'm reading true? Orrg
>>2809181it takes one gallon of gas to travel through nederlands, the same amount wouldn't even get you across los angeles
>>2809207and people are scared hes gonna win the presidency
>>2809209don't jinx it uygha
Are burger women into olive skinned green eyed muscular brown boys with above average D? Where online should I look for a sugar mommy to rizz and earn myself a green card? Any tips?
Thank you in advance for helping the global south proletariat 👍
>>2809218That's a regional, famer centric US dating site, silly burger.
>>2809220That's liberal drivel
>>2809222>He says while posting in USpolRetarded chimp
>>2809222who do you thinks gonna sponsor your green card?
>>2809223>nuh uhsolid rebuttal as always
>>2809224I obviously don't live in the US, that's the whole point Mexibro
>>2809215>>2809225Is it an international dating site?
>>2809228Just goes to show that this “Pope” is more committed to western leftism than he is to the actual teachings of the Church. Such is the inevitable consequence of Papism
>>2809226Women don't get paid less for the same job, women get paid less in general because they are into jobs that pay less.
>>2809232Sorry protcuck the vanguard is always right
>>2809218>all the mixed race mutt women in the queuenvm I'll give this a shot 🤤
>>2809233so you agree that naturally as a result of porky being forced to cut back on labor expenditure that women are getting into jobs that pay more in comparison to what they used to have? Men expect themselves to get paid more because they want to raise a family, professional women don't give a shit about that and will accept a lower salary, this is an undeniable trend
>>2809220Trump is a feminist
"The Kurds take take take. I'm dissapointed in the Kurds"
>>2808934Thom tillis’s senate seat. The slogan provided is not bad. How about “good peace and good roads”?
>>2809309Well Iran is gonna play play play play play
And the Kurds are gonna take take take take take
I'm just gonna shake shake shake shake shake
Shake it off!
Shake it off!
>>2809329Fits the Antichrist narrative
He is now claiming to resurrect people
>>2809330>>2809329boomers voted for him because they thought he was going to make medbays real like in the elysium film with mat damon
>>2809021Chuds will say and do shit like this but the vast majority of the population think that leftoids are more cringe.
>>2809329" Coming soon to a TrumpPharma near you! The TrumpRevitalizer6000, will literally bring you back from the fucking dead!!!! Made from all natural ingredients (cholesterol carved out of Our messiah's (Trump) body mixed with sweat of third worldies and the blood of the Epstein girls), personally tested by RFK jr after his heart stopped yet again due to meth and raw liver overdose! "
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Side effects may or not include bleeding, balding, diarrhoea, whooping cough, fits of rage, heart attack, kidney failure, central nervous system shut down, but we will pass them all off as TDS from woke libs looking to find anything wrong with our glorious leader)
>>2809330>>2809334politicians have been getting called the anti christ since nero. when will you nerds wake up and realize it was always just a metaphor for whatever guy is currently being the biggest asshole, and not a literal sign of incoming supernatural eschatology.
>>2809360Sounds like something a follower of the anti-christ would say.
>>2809360Everyone knows that shit is nonsensical prophecy, we just find it funny how Trump seems to be deliberately going out of the way to check off as many boxes as possible. Fake miracles, golden idols, attempting to turn the White House into the Third Temple, the head wound thingy. Very funny how he keeps matching up with shit
>>2809364Obama did all the same shit yet he gets to podcast all day
>>2809360I think they're just mentioning that to contrast the long standing belief that magatards have that trump is some kind of messiah. so they're just saying that hes anything but that
>>2809367The only thing opposition to Trump does is bolster his base who only do so out of spite, just pretend it’s not happening at all
>>2809393I hate the dnc more than felix
>>2809403Nobody hates Dems quite as much as left wingers who vote Dem as the lesser evil
>>2809360Also, can we admit Jesus kinda sucks. He was pro-slavery and preached some decent shit but his followers are mostly all dicks. Perhaps an anti-christ is actually a good thing.
>>2809420people just cope that all the chud shit is Paul doing revisionism.
>>2809330At this point I want him to just come out and say "I'm the messiah and you have to worship me", just embrace the antichrist shit to its fullest extent.
>>2809393just vote hitler out okay?
>>2809423I mean a lot of it was just revisionism done by the romans. they took a relatively grassroots anti-elitist spiritual enlightenment movement and used their power to turn it into an institution through which they spread their genocidal imperialistic conquest machine
we have the eepiest president
>>2808930Every worker a member of the government
>>2808951>the landlord decided it's cheaper to spend $6,000/month on each of these robot dog units with an accompanying $2 indian"$40 to Kirk the landlord 😏"
ayy y'all gettin kirky up in here
>>2809241The issue when it comes to raising a family is women still believe the husband needs to be the breadwinner even when they make their own income, and this belief does not change with income levels or their own success.
It's just basic economic reality that you can't have a workforce of 50% women where they're getting paid just as much as their male coworkers and still expect the man to be the breadwinner. Women need to take financial responsibility for their own role in the workforce.
>>2809438I like that one as well. Also should we campaign on uncapping the house? Internal polling is 50/50 on it.
>>2809491
>le both sides
The Iran war wouldnt have happened with Kamala in power. Tell me you truly believe that Kamala would have done what Trump did. Obama thawed relations with Cuba and Iran. Trump is genociding Cuba and Iran.
I wanted to share an update with everyone. I have some good news: I'm employed again, and this means I won't have to re-home dog (and best friend). I can't share many details—what I'm doing, where, why, or how I got the job—due to fears of political retaliation, given the case and everything we've seen about how this has played out, given the timing of the arrest and me publicly posting about having (then) gotten a job. We're genuinely very concerned about the possibility of retaliation, losing the job, or this person showing up at my workplace to harass me.
So for now, I just want to let you know: yes, I'm employed again, and that's a huge, uplifting thing. It means I can focus on stabilizing and settling into this new city I now call home. That said, I won't be paid for another two weeks, so donations are still very much appreciated and make a real difference for me. The right seeks to sentence a veteran to 15 years in prison for free speech, while claiming to be the protectors of free speech. We will do everything in our power to assure this doesn't happen, and that the hypocrisy is exposed. My next court date is May 28th, and we remain hopeful these charges will be dropped, and the case dismissed.
Thank you so much for all the support and solidarity you've shown. I truly couldn't have done this without you.
https://gofund.me/c8198fb14>>2809497gerrymandering is a tool to subvert republican democracy in your favor. it isn't good or bad. that's liberal brainrot talking. it's working within the flawed system to get what you want without having to win more votes.
it's funny how much libs hate on gerrymandering as if it's a corruption of the system when it was always intended to be like this and they continue participating in it anyway. liberals genuinely cannot comprehend that a system can be flawed, only its individual pieces.
so epic furry is over
>>2809456NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S REAAAAL
lmaaaaaaooooooo
>>2809496the fact that people that reach this website still post stuff like this tells you you wont see a revolution in your lifetime
>>2809508Epstein Fury Part Deux is probably being planned already.
>>2809501Well unlike our opponents I don't get funding from billionaires, koch brother think tanks or peter thiel.
>>2809496All of trump wars are losses. Trump humiliates yanks every day. Biden destroyed socialist syria. I think kamala would probably kill more babies and yanks would care less. Like how cpusa and the zioleft supported her when she was president
>>2809515>>2809496I mean whenever I see someone post something along those lines (and I think its pretty obvious that an Iran war wouldn't happen under Kamala) I don't see any rebuttal, just "I can't BELIEVE you would say this!" As if outrage or exasperation is a counterpoint. Shit at least that one guy tried to point to a Biden advisor claiming "oh we would've bombed Iran" after Trump had already done it but even then, Biden wasn't the candidate in the 2024 election and any escalation with Iran would've been met with a far more galvanized opposition.
I'm not saying "everyone should have voted for Kamala"
>>2809515What do you mean? Gerrymandering is crime against humanity. It sounds like you defend zioleft democrat crimes against humanity. Like you dont want people talking materially about how rigged your fascist imperialist nation is
>>2809521Biden destroyed socialist syria. Trump destroy no nation. So you are wrong
>>2809521you killed rosa luxemburg and her cat
>>2809455>The issue when it comes to raising a family is women still believe the husband needs to be the breadwinner even when they make their own incomewell yeah that just makes sense, a woman cannot be both a full time mother and be the primary breadwinner. men may play more of a role in child development than they used to but its primarily womens work
>>2809518grok make me an AI indian that pretends to be a white republican and post fake news on x.com all day long with a donation link in the bio thank you.
>>2809529>well yeah that just makes sense, a woman cannot be both a full time mother and be the primary breadwinner. men may play more of a role in child development than they used to but its primarily womens workthat actually makes no fucking sense, it takes two to raise a child it's a genuine team effort and not "women's work" no matter how much fascists try to convince you a woman's role is in the home. being raised in a single mother household is like the number 1 predictor for someone to end up in prison. the fact women just accept this role as homemakers implicitly as justification for their backwards economic views just pisses me off. we don't live in the 19th century anymore, it's entirely possible for two parents to raise a child together and come up with their own system that doesn't conform to society's demands. you can in fact be a father that drops the kids off at school and goes to parent teacher conferences because their mom works during the week and spends time with them on weekends. women need to stop making excuses for their classism and start dating us broke uyghas.
>>2809228nooo you guys atheists are totally reactionary we all need to embrace religion noooo tips fedora tips fedora look at how dumb dawkins is STOP BEING ATHEIST!!!!
>>2809329Wish his heart would give out faster than his brain.
>>2809393>overruling the constitution and the will of the voters is fine>firing the people who did that is extremeCan't even get a crumb of ruthless reformism.
Why are all the political schemers Republicans?
>>2809521I may have been wrong though. I ask you to correct me. we may tally all wars and losses. Biden destroy syria. Trump destroy no nation and every nation he attack defeats him soundly.
We are reasonable men, cpusanon. We clearly agree that If the Yank continues on their current path of constant defeat and humiliation, they can only be destroyed more quickly. The desperate yank knows this in their bones and that is why they spill out wildest copes to try and save their imperialism from itself.
stop replying to the non-american paid shill please
>>2809548>its le womens fault i bring nothing to the tablehow did a facebook boomer end up on this website?
>>2809393>majority of votersIt was like 51%
>Virginia Supreme Court strikes it down simply out of spite It was racist jim crow gerrymandering that cracked Richmond Colony,the only black majority district, fusing with hundreds of miles of suburban cracker sprawl.
>while the entire south basically brings back Jim CrowYou were born yesterday. Democrats invented jim crow. Ironically, you support jim crow by supporting their gerrymandering in virginia.
>>2809555both parties deserve to be destroyed but it's really weird when you freaks show up to pretend nixon's southern strategy never happened
>>2809558stop replying to the foreign spammer
honkoid status?
>>2809551That is very chauvinistic and imperialist thing to assume. You sound like nick fuentez
>>2809559Stop spam
>>2809558You speak boldly against what you supplicate to, then resort to typical wild cope as common democrat. What you say is profoundly ironic because democrats want to pretend slavery never happened, jim crow ended, etc., because nixon beat them at racism, as if racist southern suburbanite colonizers do not vote democrat, nevermind thats exactly how democrats gerrymander in every case
>>2809592> nixon beat them at racismok so you get my point, you can stop playing dumb now
only on leftypol can you say both parties deserve to be destroyed and get accused of being a democrat for this
>>2809393Not only did the SCOVA strike down redistricting over procedure misfiling, they already specifically ruled they would allow it to go forward despite having a hearing on that issue. So what they very openly did was allow the democrats to waste millions of dollars on the process that they were determined to overturn in case it won. SCOVA ran the democrats around wasting their resources because they're nakedly partisan and do not give a shit what the voters want.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._Arthur_Kelseyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_R._McCulloughhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_M._Chafinhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_G._Russell_Jr.
Kelsey's term ends in 2027 btw
>>2809602no you don't understand, those 2/3 black dissenters were defending jim crow or something like
>>2809555 said lol.
he is important to listen to because he spams this thread every day with impunity >>2809602praying for years of lead to come sooner
>>2809602The only (reformist) solution to this is impeachment, but Democrats are too cowardly to even do that. They can't even be bothered to punish judges doing illegal shit that hurts everyone. At some point even the normies are going to realize that the judicial system is corrupt and then unsurprising acts will start occurring that the media will paint as shocking tragedies.
>>2809558Truke. republicucks are vermin
>>2809557How is this even an issue?
>>2809610>The only (reformist) solution to this is impeachment, but Democrats are too cowardly to even do thatimpeachment doesn't do anything THOUGH. it's just a how dare you sir fancy denunciation that is theoretically supposed to lead to resignation but doesn't in practice
>>2809610I mean technically they could pack the court but that doesn't fix this current problem (VA is still majority dem but only 6-5 and doesn't offset the gains GOP is making in other states)
>>2809621i've been hearing the pack the court meme for decades lol, enough
>>2809620Obviously when the vast majority of people say impeachment they mean the full impeachment + conviction + removal process, not the cuck shit that happened to Trump.
>>2809621They should just ignore the court ruling and proceed anyways like what Republicans are already doing in other states.
>>2809622It's only a meme because Democrats don't want to do it, it's a valid strategy.
It would be one thing if Democrats were legitimate reformists and used everything at their disposal to succeed, but they don't because they're weak, mostly on purpose.
>>2809622Regardless they clearly aren't going to take even the measures that exist on paper as "legitimate" options because the democrats are hopelessly cucked by the high road mentality on top of being ultimately a controlled opposition party at best.
>>2809625>They should just ignore the court ruling and proceed anyways like what Republicans are already doing in other states.The court would probably invalidate the elections, but it's a moot point because they're not going to even bother doing that.
>It's only a meme because Democrats don't want to do it, it's a valid strategy.Correct. Democrats absolutely refuse to do obvious easy things that are given to them as an option within the system because they're useless cucks.
can we stop talking about the democrats as if they're some helpless opposition party and not the centrist wing of the unified capitalist party?
>>2809636It would actually be very funny if the rest of the world got its shit together while the US turns into a smoldering ruin
>>2809635>center wing… torso? the bird analogy starts to show its limits
>>2809635Mr. Wilimos would agree. Also, should the party of labor of America run a candidate for the 2028 presidential election?
>>2809650the libs got themselves kille, ICE operates in surges
>>2809650He's kinda sorta correct? Minneapolis WAS absolutely meant as a kind of testing ground for over displays of force meant to terrorize people into submission which ultimately failed, but I think that was mainly due to the sheer backlash from two people being murdered and the constant videos of people being dragged out of their homes and into vans which forced the administration to modify their ICE operations. They haven't been scaled back much, certainly not "defeated", but they're being forced to be careful about abducting people now and keep up some veneer of good PR
>Jim Crow 2.0!
Boy who cries wolf for decades is not going to get taken seriously.
>>2809660I'd say Minneapolis was a tactical defeat for them, but obviously they still exist and are trying to be sneakier now. Incidentally I saw one prowling around in my neck of the woods recently (pretty sure anyways) posing as a delivery man.
if the voting rights act keeps weakening america will be permanently red
>>2809650Another Minneapolis W
>>2809671Civil Rights Movement about to end up in history the gains of Reconstruction 1865-1877. The second Nadir will be decades of reaction in reverse. The socialists will end up like the SPA saying that Blacks are natural strike breakers and etc. We really are going to the new gilded age
>>2809669>(pretty sure anyways) posing as a delivery man.what do you mean? like undercover?
>>2809676glowie demoralization monkey begone
>>2809650>>2809655>>2809660Apparently a big issue for Miller is he's pretty much an ideologically zealous white nationalist in an admin run by grifters. Like a con artist can realize when its time to pull out of a scam, Miller doesn't. He actively wants deportations to be a carnival of sadism and violence because thats the core of who he is as a person.
>>2809676>The SPA saying blacks are natural strike breakersMan of all the lies Sakai spread, the idea that early socialists were "enemies" of black people is the most noxious.
>>2809680>Apparently a big issue for Miller is he's pretty much an ideologically zealous white nationalist Game recognizes game huh CPUSAnon
Why don't leftists don't really care about presentation, aura and steam charts?
>>2809684you should ask that on a website where there are any leftists, there is only clintonist-obamaist-bidenists (principally obamaists) right wingers here
shitty thread today
>>2809671>redi wish libs would stop calling republicans "red"
>>2809687>shitty thread todayyes, and the sad thing is it's better than usual
>>2809650Yeah pretty much.
The average Minneapolan has done more than the majority of politicians to oppose Trump.
>>2809602is it considered doxxing to post the names and addresses of these people all over social media? i mean thats publicly available information right? asking for a friend haha.
>>2809687Many such cases!
From the desk of Jack wilimos:
How I will actually make stuff cost less
- Abolish landlords and fully nationalize public housing. Housing first plus monthly direct cash payments of $5,000 to families below the poverty line.
- A robust public nuclear shelter system. Can’t afford groceries if you’re dead.
- Price controls on grocery stores found to be active price gougers.
>>2809705What about “Jack wilimos North Carolina”?
>>2809650Minneapolis was inspiring but I still can't help but feel the victory to be a bit hollow since the deportation ops went quieter and more effective. Especially since my sunbelt San Antonio is in the top 4 of deportations, with few of the big showpiece raids and more the pinches Rinches (texas highway patrol) pulling people over and calling in ICE.
>>2809680The SPA stuff was a lie, but the Knights of Labor did help usher in Chinese exclusion and segregated their black members.
>>2809723Not to mention a ready-made population of snitches.
>>2809680I bet sakai bought some awesome treats with his coointel pro money
>>2809680Early "socialists" supported ww1. Even now, they hate black people. Yank "socialists" are genocidal so you are confabulating. They support platner etc.
>>2809744>>2809744So true thats why they didnt vote for kamala
Question:
Is our campaign more likely to get whatley or cooper voters?
>>2809775Sakai was cointelpro i am 100% convinced
>>2809777idk if he was or not, but he really did take the technique taking anyone's words and interpreting them in the least charitable way possible and elevate it to an art.
>>2809781of course class collaborationism, racism, settler-colonial ideology, etc, should be critiqued.
>trotskyite fascist white supremacists swp.
Getting really tired of of the "everyone but my little sect are genuine nazis crowd" it was retarded in the past but it is absolutely braindead with guys like stephen miller running the country
>>2809775this isn't nearly as big of a gotcha as you think it is
>>2809783The only difference between the DSA and Stephen Miller is the precise group of people that should reap imperialism’s spoils
>>2809784>this isn't a gotchacare to elaborate?
>you think it isdid I ever say that? how do you know what I think?
I have asked 3 questions, try to answer at least one of them in good faith.
>>2809787Wow you are the engels of our time,
The level of political thought from you my god, i mean my marx,
You could really do…..
God the only TRVE socialists are what ever gay irrelevant sect you grace with your presence.
>>2809787aren't DSA just reformists? they advocate a more sustainable way of living that involves less imperialism I thought?
It's fine to say you think they suck but comparing them to Stephen Miller just betrays any point you're trying to make about reformists. Just makes you seem like a manchild.
>>2809783Considering how many Stephen Miller/neocon types were former Trotskyites, it might not actually be that irrelevant
>>2809792nah, let him cook. he's dropping truth nukes. i mean it makes so much sense, if you want the US government to stop killing people, it means you want them to kill more people for your treats.
>>2809793Not him but i agree
Instead people criticizing groups or ideologies on merit
>x is bad because whyIts
>x is truly deep down racist/zionist fascist and supports the imf every one but me is bad .. >>2809791The quotes are presented in a way that suggests Sakai is taking Foster completely out of context, when there really isn't anything to suggest the sort. For the record I don't believe Foster was a closet frothing racist or something. If anything, I would have taken qualm with his assertion that "black intellectuals" were encouraging this attitude when black intellectuals at the time were often far more revolutionary than their white counterparts (Dubois, Langston Hughes, etc)
>>2809794Even so neoconism is very different from nazism and even the current plauge of right wing "thought" that governs our nation.
And if you do want to criticize trotskyism maybe write something about, how some trots are so into the of defeating the "stalin" as in their trotskyiest idea of stalin, that they lose the plot
Or i would like to see anything intelligent instead
The 420th spam post of
>zohran mamdani, is a DSA trotskies who wants to invaded grendada to give the treatlerSS free nutmeg he is worse than reagean nixon trump bush and netanyahu combined and everyone else is exponentially more nazi. >>2809797There were indeed black intellectuals pushing the envelope, but I imagine Foster would have been referring to the ones that were explicitly just pushing for black people to integrate into Americanism by making as much money as possible (as in becoming a Patriotic small business owner or being a Patriotic Worker by working hard and willing to do what others "don't want to do" ie scabbing)
>>2809800>Even so neoconism is very different from nazism Might as well debate the number of angels that can dance on a hairpin
>The 420th spam post of And get back to CPUSA anon writing novels on how gamergate is the defining political debate of our time?
>>2809806Surely true, but then why does Foster feel the need to single them out and not talk about say, the pseudo-socialist white settler-led movements such as the Populist party and the Georgists? Lends at least some credibility to what Sakai is saying
>>2809811>And get back to CPUSA anon writing novels on how gamergate is the defining political debate of our time?Forget the two party system usapol is buck broken by the two poster system unable to imagine a exit to the felix cpusa binary
(Did he ever day that?)
>Might as well debate the number of angels that can dance on a hairpin
Id say its very relevant to the type of the decisions that they make and how they plan to control countries.
The neocon war aim was a puppet government for economic reasons
The nazi war aim was genocidal racial replacement
The current rightoids seem really enamored with violence for spectacle of it and aside from some idea of restoring the empire through attacking which ever enemy of the week and straling resources is mostly just a tool to prop up leaders images
(Might devolve into a straight plunder ecconomy).
>>2809811I don't think Georgism was ever much more than an intellectual movement and the Populist party would have been moribund before Foster wrote that. I believe he did staunchly oppose the restrictive craft, business unionist and segregationist tendencies of the AFL (I do admit his logic of hoping for black people to unionize instead of falling to the trap of employers and that certain subset of black intellectuals would be improved if he called out the collaborationist trends in white workers as well though). I've got to read that history of X strike that Sakai quotes here
to see if Foster does in some capacity.
Also on the neocon-nazi difference, I do think there's an important distinction of nazism needing a mass base of organized fascists to fully propel it into power to enact their """""revolutionary"""" goals. Sure neoconservatism does have a kind of mass base of bloodthirsty baying hogs to cater to, but neoconservatism doesn't really give them the levers of power. MAGA is caught in a state of there being a decent number of disgruntled small business owners, cops, soldiers, downwardly mobile professionals etc who want to see a state that "resets" society and capital to fellate them, but for the moment they're pretty disorganized and unable to completely dislodge the neocon segment.
I've been seeing a lot of doomposting recently about looming shortages, how bleak is it?
>>2809557He as 11 accusers. 11.
No way in hell MJ wasn't a predator.
>>2809784there's also plenty of writers who don't verifiably lie about things they're supposedly informing you about
>>2809797>black intellectuals at the time were often far more revolutionary than their white counterparts (Dubois, Langston Hughes, etc)WEB Dubois was born in the 1860s. Foster in the 1880s. Hughes in the 1900s
>>2809811> why does Foster feel the need to single them out and not talk about say, the pseudo-socialist white settler-led movements such as the Populist party and the Georgists?for perspective… the populist party was dissolved when Langston Hughes was 8 years old, in 1909. not exactly relevant to what Mr. Foster was saying in that passage.
Also for perspective, the battle against segregation was waged not just by black revolutionaries, but by black reformist bourgeoisie, culminating in brown vs. board of education in 1954, when Thurgood Marshall, a man 7 years younger than Langston Hughes served as the court's first black Justice. It is hard to appreciate just how uphill the battle in America has been, and part of why I think people (stupidly and wrongly) hold onto liberalism and reformism long after they have stopped being useful is that the US has actually changed things permanently through legislative reform, like slavery, segregation, womens' suffrage, lending reformism a mythologized track record that is handed down through the education system and regarded by "common sense" as "credible." And yes I'm aware a civil war was needed, and that slavery continues in the prison system, as well as there still being de facto segregation. I'm just pointing out the country's unique characteristics which get flattened into "well it's just the same as Australia, Israel, New Zealand, Boer South Africa, and other Settleroid regimes."
>>2809557it's funny how many people STILL TO THIS DAY cope on this billionaire's behalf that he was somehow not only not a weirdo and a molester, but also was actually some based rescuer of children from molestation. I once posted the weird painting he had made of himself naked surrounded by cherubim and the cope was that jacko was merely "channeling christian motifs." indeed…
>>2809844there's literally no physical evidence he ever abused any of the kids though. billionaires get the guillotine, but MJ never seemed like an Epstein. he didn't hold gross pedo sex parties or engage with any of the other hollywood pedos or have any history of exploiting people like paying them for sex or hosting child pageants like Epstein. is it possible he was just a very private pedo that didn't want to mingle with other pedos? possibly. but I also find it weird the MJ allegations keep being brought back up long after he died for salacious tabloid slop documentaries that never provide any new evidence and just serve to muddy the waters when it comes to billionaire pedos. MAGA chuds see the MJ shit and think it means you can be celebrated while still being a pedo. or rather, they already thought that but use MJ to troll liberals in their weird MAGA logic.
>>2809846> is it possible he was just a very private pedo that didn't want to mingle with other pedos? possibly.that's the vast majority of cases. someone taking advantage of a child in their own family or community. usually one that is too young to talk, or can't talk (like intellectually disabled nonverbals and mute children)
>>2809846>there's literally no physical evidence he ever abused any of the kids though. What kinda evidence would that even leave its not breaking into a house it doesnt leave broken glass and busted locks
>>2809848literally none of the cases were ever reported to police when they supposedly happened afaik. there's no police records pretty much until that big court case where a bunch of families went after MJ in civil court instead of criminal court so they could get a settlement. then suddenly there were a bunch of allegations against him that all went for the first settlement offer they were given instead of letting it go to court.
meanwhile Trump and Epstein had dozens of allegations and separate police reports filed by multiple victims against them that happened shortly after their crimes, and many of their victims were willing to go to court until they're suicide'd or disappeared or the government drops the charges. there's always a huge paper trail for most celebrity pedos. (and they still get away with it but thats besides the point)
>>2809847but thats not what happened here. all of MJ's supposed victims were kids who went to his childrens theme park and were invited into his home. there was no close connection between them that would justify silence. if these kids were abused they would have told their families that this strange celebrity man raped them and that they dont want to go there anymore at least. instead nothing happened for literal years and many of the families kept sending their kids to MJ's house. at the very least if he IS a pedo then those parents are horribly neglectful greedy pieces of shit for letting a pedo abuse their kids for so long just to get closer to a celebrity.
>>2809851> all of MJ's supposed victims were kids who went to his childrens theme park and were invited into his home.why did a grown man pretend to be peter pan and have a children's theme park in his home
>if these kids were abused they would have told their families that this strange celebrity man raped them and that they dont want to go there anymore at leastunless these parents were opportunistically pimping out their own children to a celebrity
>>2809846He had 11 accusers. If this was about money, why would his accusers engage in long, drawn-out civil cases against his estate that cost bucketloads of money? Not to mention they're up against a $3.5 BILLION estate. All of MJ's accusers had no relation to each other and it's highly unlikely their allegations are all part of some deep-seated conspiracy.
>>2809851>if these kids were abused they would have told their families that this strange celebrity man raped them and that they dont want to go there anymore at least.Do you even know the psychology of CSA? It took Weinstein's victims years to speak out too.
>>2809777>>2809780>Absolutely zero evidence he's a real person>Writes a book talking about how all the Socialists of the past were evil racists and there is no American proletariat.>>2809811>And get back to CPUSA anon writing novels on how gamergate is the defining political debate of our time?I genuinely have no clue what you're talking about.
That said:
>>2809806>>2809797Pretty sure Marcus Garvey was both contemporary to Foster and he advocated for unity with the Ku Klux Klan, opposed Blacks joining socialist trade unions, and supported racial separatism.
Funny enough throughout "Settlers" Sakai praises Garvey. Garvey also claimed that Communism was a "dangerous white ideology".
>>2809871Also I figure I should say anyone claiming "Durr, Sakai isn't taking those quotes out of context!"
He defines Foster's speech as a
specific threat towards black workers, that they better not become professional strike breakers with an implicit "or else". He characterizes Foster saying Black people "have the more difficult part" as him foisting extra work on Black people rather than the reality in him saying that white employers would use racism to their advantage and certain black intellectuals would align with them in a bid for racial separatism.
>>2809914if someone bought a trump phone they are so deep in, they are going to cope, blame bidin or the dems. and go back to buying more trump toys or crypto scams.
>>2809775Saved. Every time the yank denies their crimes against humanity, that is but more evidence of another crime against humanity they have long since committed and still commit now by their imperialist exploiter nature.
>>2809875I would ask for citations, but all you do is lie. Sakai demonstrated with centuries of evidence and citations that the yank aristocrat imperialist colonizer manipulate those oppressed and exploited people that they genocide. Like what we witness your fascist party does today.
>>2809875I dont want to argue except in specifics, but material assessment of hindsight dictate garvey was basically right. Cpusa denigrates communism in amerika to basically just dickriding platner, not helping afrikans at all. Like how new deal enslaved afrikans and gave the colonizers all the benefits and jobs, as if voting for slavery party that created ICE would help anyone who aint white. Anyone with any solid connection to reality at all is inclined to agree with science and reality and Only most fervant imperialist will disagree with science.
i dont know how to feel about hentaivirus, like maybe it destroys the world and kills everyone i care about, but maybe it kills people i hate.
>>2809922Nobody under 50 is paying attention to Fox News you obsessed freak. Take your meds you screen addicted loser
>>2809919Do you even live here?
>>2809780Maoists have always been wokescolds
>>2809781People who treat settlers as gospel aren’t looking to be convinced, they’re people who already decided they hate everybody
they like Sakai because he gives them an excuse to waste their lives as misanthropic NEETs yelling “everyone is treatler except me” while gooning to hentai
>>2809922>fox and friendswho gives a flaming shit
>>2809919>collective guilt>kafka trapsnot worth responding to
>>2809922>no surprise theres a chinese agent >theres chinese people thereMan these guys a are dumb
Also this country has gotten so bad getting exhiled to china would a be reward
>>2809793They’re reformist in the sense that like other social fascists their goal is to fix the inefficient aspects of American imperialism so that it can rule over the periphery as an eternal fourth Reich. Every single gov and treat offered by the left wing of capital directly correlates to the rape and exploitation of the third world and the leaders of the DSA are all aware of this, which is why none of them meaningfully oppose imperialism because if they did they wouldn’t be able to fulfill their promises to the labor aristocracy
>>2809871>Pretty sure Marcus Garvey was both contemporary to Foster and he advocated for unity with the Ku Klux Klan, opposed Blacks joining socialist trade unions, and supported racial separatism.>Funny enough throughout "Settlers" Sakai praises Garvey. Garvey also claimed that Communism was a "dangerous white ideology".The hilarious part about Garvey is he was a separatist, but never bothered to move to Africa. Born in Jamaica, moved to the USA, moved to England. He spent his life in white settler colonies, and died in a European homeland. So his opportunist alliance with the KKK in the name of black separatism makes even less sense in that context. And then there's the fact that he joined WW1 and advocated other black people joining WW1. Literally THE imperial war of all imperialist wars that Lenin and Debs opposed proletarian involvmeent in, while pushing revolutionary defeatism. Garvey tried to sign up but was physically unfit. Garvey's nationalism, separatism, and patriotic advocacy for imperialist war reminds one of ᴉuᴉlossnW, and how he was useful to British Intelligence around this time. Where did Garvey die? England. Not Africa.
>>2809914>>2809918When Prophecy Fails, cultists double down, it's true.
>>2809969He's a known troll. Probably a fed LLM whose mission is to specifically make anti-Americanism always look like an extreme Sakaist caricature so Americans don't bother learning what the US government actually does. They want you to read Settlers
instead of much more relevant books Killing Hope. They want you to ignore Communism and instead get defensive over your settler identity. They want you to have no solidarity with proles of other races and instead feel paranoid that you're going to be either lynched by crackkkers or found guilty of being a settleroid at the JDPON tribunal. In short. He's not real, he's a djinn. He posts at all hours of the day, using a consistent tone that shifts subtly as the months go on, and they get more training data on which of his provocative screeds get the most (You)s.
>>2809984The thing is Americans are perfectly aware of all the horrors and atrocities their government inflicts on the imperial periphery, have been for several decades. They just either don’t care because they don’t want to disturb their quality of life or actively supportive of such atrocities for the same reason
>>2809979Yes yes you are the only morally pure person Mr. Epic Bacon Mao NEET
>>2809984It’s always funny to me how he posts like we’re supposed to believe that an internet addict that never leaves this place and obviously doesn’t live here is supposed to be a reliable source for what the IRL
KKKRACKKKA TREATLER MENACE thinks
You ever notice that the one thing that gets under a terminally online person’s skin is telling them that they’re out of touch and the internet is a liar
>>2809984If he’s an LLM then he’s very good at simulating NPD because I remember last summer when we were taking about setting up a USApol community somewhere else out of exasperation with the moderation and he absolutely flipped the fuck out, going on allcaps rants about how we’re somehow supposed to leave but also stay so we can listen to his ranting
>>2809980It could be 0% and Amerikkkans would still do nothing about it
Illegally elected foreign agents are undermining our democracy by promoting fake news.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/arcadia-mayor-federally-charged-acting-illegal-agent-peoples-republic-chinaThankfully the FBI acted fast to restore the first amendment.
>>2810004The evidence is right there. She looks chinese! She is either lapdog of Cucktin, Xinnie the Pooh or Kim Jong Un
>>2810001jesus christ I haven't heard him speak before. I didn't realize how bad the stroke fucked him up
>>2809997>>2809999I think the mods have stated he has been using readily identifiable vpns that suggest he is actually paying real money for new subscriptiosn after getting banned (there are a few people who do this)
>>2810004Cool can we do the same for zionists who get their articles from west jerusalem.
Otherwise its russia gate tier "they told her to tell the local chinamen we are wrong"
>>2810017>paid vpn >internet >device that can connect>possible LLM useSounds like we got a treatler boys
>>2810004why did you repost this
it doesn't matter in the slightest
>>2810025Wait until you find out what the 5stars are for
>>2809997The way these types talk always reminds me of that 4chan post where some basement dwelling incel finally starts touching grass and realizes that people irl aren't talking about looksmaxxing and genetic lotteries. It's completely obvious if you talk to the average person who supports a foreign war that their views come from a combination of ignorance (i.e. not knowing what's actually happening there) and belief that the war is actually good for the people in that country. For example, pretty much nobody outside military, government, and intelligence circles believes that the NATO involvement in Ukraine is being done for the purposes of colonizing Ukraine and Balkanizing Russia, and that this is a good thing because treats. On the contary Western governments invest huge amounts of resources into making sure that the exact opposite narrative becomes dominant, and panic when it begins to unravel. This is why Epstein Fury flopped so hard with the public, the MAGAtards didn't bother crafting any kind of believable narrative around Iran that would lead people to believe that war was practically or morally justified. If Felix and his ilk were correct about the mentality of the average Westerner, then such justifications simply wouldn't be needed, and liberal elites wouldn't be seething so hard at Trump saying the quiet parts loud. There would be no NAFO, no JIDF, no attempt to fabricate enemy atrocities or cover up their own.
>>2809990not really. like walk up to a person on the side walk and ask them what a "CIA coup" is. they have no idea what you're talking about. they think materialism means liking money and cars. they think communism is when no food. you've been screaming at a wall for decades using a vocabulary unique to your clique, and you think your echo chamber is the entire universe.
>>2810031common sense truth nuke
>>2810048woke up this moanin, got some gabagool
>>2810031This post killed the TWist
>>2810049>got some gabagoolTreatler detected
>>2810041>muh internet screenshotsI’m really beginning to suspect that the TWists really are just deeply media illiterate
>>2810048God why was his therapist so hot
>>2810052>TWists really are just deeply media illiterateIronic since you fail to realize that post is mocking them.
Truth is mao gave out treats from the start
>>2810055Fair enough, I got carried away.
It is kinda funny though that everything about what TWists say really betrays that they’re part of the whole poverty-cult branch of the first world left
>REEEEE TO HATE LIFE AND LIVING IS GLORIOUSis how they really come off
>>2810031The genocide of Russians in the Ukraine is a unique case because the western left knows that they’re not getting any material benefits out of it, they support it simply because their hatred for the Russian “ork” is so strong that like the German Reich before them they’re happy to set the entire planet on fire if it means the end of their millennia old enemy. Living in the first world they won’t face any consequences anyways and even if it did their genocidal hatred of Russians is so strong that they wouldn’t care. But you willingly participated in the War on Terror, so none of this is new to you
>>2810044>>2810050I'll also add that this isn't just an ignorance of how imperialist propaganda operates today, but an ignorance about how its literally always operated. If you go back to the 19th century you find talk of uplifting the savages, bringing them the benefits of civilization, ending the slave trade (in the later part of the century), etc. Go back and read Cortez's dispatches and you'll find a meticulous effort to portray his actions as being motivated by a number of noble causes such as self-defense, the saving of souls, or the liberation of people oppressed by the Aztecs. Go back even further to Caesar's memoirs on the Gallic Wars, and you'll find him going to great lengths to emphasize how he only ever went to war to protect Roman allies or territory from aggressors, how he only ever destroyed a settlement when they refused all offers of clemency or when they betrayed him after surrendering. Go back before that and Alexander is saying that destruction of Persia is a necessary act of self defense because of past attempts to conquer Greece. Imperialist propaganda in all eras has always worked to portray the empire as being at least somewhat benevolent, beneficial to the conquered, and morally justified beyond pure greed and plunder. Its actually extremely rare to find imperialists simply telling themselves and their people that they should conquer these others because then we can steal their shit and have treats. These people simply have zero understanding about how imperialism actually works in terms of its ideological superstructure not only today, but since the dawn of class society.
>>2810065 (me)
the 'God bless Donald Trump' kills me 🤣
>>2810063>they support it simply because their hatred for the Russian “ork”I've talked to a lot of self-described leftists here in the West who supported war in Ukraine. None of them have said or indicated anything of the sort. Every single one supports it because they believe they are protecting Ukraine from foreign aggression, and furthermore believe that the Russian people are oppressed by their government and that its removal would be good for them. This is just delusion spawned by refusing to touch grass.
>>2810067Sometimes I wish he wasn't funny at all. He probably wouldn't have gotten elected.
>>2810065will he actually do this or is he just memeing? it would be hilarious if he did
>>2810069>I've talked to a lot of self-described leftists here in the West who supported war in UkraineSure you would because you’re one of them. If you weren’t you wouldn’t react to these troglodytes with anything less than complete disdain
>Every single one supports it because they believe they are protecting Ukraine from foreign aggression, and furthermore believe that the Russian people are oppressed by their government and that its removal would be good for themThey’re just repeating talking points they hear on the media which even they themselves don’t believe, just like Iraq supposedly having nukes and throwing babies out of incubators. If you actually pressed them rather than indulge in their obvious bullshit like you seem to, in my experience they tend to quickly admit they think Russians are genetically fascist colonizers and “Stalinists” that need to be put in their place
>>2810069you haven't paid attention to the UKR thread, then. but they are probably not leftists but some libs butthurt until this day about the situation in the front.
also, you are describing libs.
>>2809781Forgot how great mike davis is
>>2810070he's significantly less funny and more of a dotard this term
>>2810077>Sure you would because you’re one of themAnd here we come to the central problem. To you even speaking to somebody who supports an imperialist war is tantamount to supporting it yourself. It's is really telling, since it indicates that you don't even speak to people you are otherwise compelled to associate with through work, school, family, or daily life. Worse yet it implies that you don't have such associations and are a true basement dweller. In either case, your assessment is very obviously based on misanthropic projections rather than actual interactions with people.
>They’re just repeating talking points they hear on the media which even they themselves don’t believeHow do you know they don't believe them? Furthermore, if it wasn't necessary for people to believe them, why are these talking points present in the media?
>If you actually pressed them rather than indulge in their obvious bullshit like you seem toOh trust me I press them, if you heard me talk about the war in Ukraine to libs I know irl I'd be indistinguishable from the average Z poster. This is why I actually understand how these people think, because I actually engage with them and try to change their minds rather than just assume malice and conscious evil.
>in my experience they tend to quickly admit they think Russians are genetically fascist colonizers and “Stalinists” that need to be put in their placeFunny because that's what you seem to think about Westerners. But even your statement here actually supports my point, they view Russians as bad because they're colonizers, i.e. aggressors. This narrative would be unnecessary if they had a conscious understanding of how imperialism worked and supported it because of this clarity. Why bother portraying them as colonizers? Why claim that they are defending Ukraine from aggression? Why not just say that they want to destroy Russia and subjugate its people because treats? The very existence of imperialist propaganda disproves your argument.
>>2810063You need to touch grass, most burgers over here don’t even think about Russia
>>2810080>if you read THE SACRED SCROLLS of MUH BASED POSTING all will be revealedClassic NEET brainrot take
>>2810063do you seriously think the average burger is victoria nuland
>>2810104this. libs only think about ukraine as "wow big country invaded small country, this just like bush in iraq" not knowing that ukraine was actually part of the coalition that invaded iraq, and failing to understand the role of NATO expansion in provoking this war, failing to understand that Russia and Ukraine are both since 1991 (willingly or not) imperialist satellites, and that the USA is merely pitting the more obedient satellite (ukraine) against the less obedient satellite (Russia).
>>2809830people are saying stuff like lettuce, cabbage, legumes will disappear from the shelves come autumn. it's going to be so bad mate.
>>2810054how else is tony supposed to fall for her, err, i mean how is he supposed to experience transference if she isn't hot and vaguely mediterranean.
>>2810113>do you seriously think the average burger is victoria nulandThis is exactly what these people believe, and it's why they are the way they are.
>>2810080most people in the US are libs because the US was the heart of anticommunism for the entire past century. that's the material conditions we have to deal with. it's not fair but there it is. so when we talk about the "US left" yes we mean the bluesky libs who seem to have a lot of empathy but zero theory. Alternatively there is also the schizo right, like the libertarians and ACP guys, who are more skeptical of the govt. institutions but also more reactionary.
>>2810088>asking a terminally online person to exercise basic skepticism and critical thinking skillsOh boy you’ve really pissed Sakaicel off now
>>2810117>>2810080I was talking more about self-identified socialists who simply lack a robust Marxist understanding of imperialism. The types who have both Ukraine and Palestine flag pins, and whose politics are vaguely anarchist or social democratic. I've got more than a few friends and family members like this. When it comes to other, less politically conscious people, they either don't think about it at all or have only a very vague understanding of what's going on. I have never once in my entire life encountered somebody who had a real understanding of how Western imperialism worked and supported it. Such understanding really only exists among the military, political, and economic elite, and even there it's often mixed in with belief in their own ideological justifications.
>>2810088>To you even speaking to somebody who supports an imperialist war is tantamount to supporting it yourselfI don’t personally gain satisfaction out of engaging with Neo-Nazis in conversation, casual or otherwise. If you do that says far more about you than it does me
>How do you know they don't believe them? Furthermore, if it wasn't necessary for people to believe them, why are these talking points present in the media?You’re clearly either entirely ignorant of or deliberately pretending not to understand Kabbalah and the concept of ritual magic that the ruling class employs on a regular basis. According to Kabbalistic tradition, there is an innate magical power in words themselves, and getting enough people to repeat those words often enough amplifies their power. True, some leftists may just be too retarded to understand it, but most intrinsically believe that even though the propaganda is a lie that the act of repeating it in unison will bestow their soldiers with ritualistic power to overcome the “orks”. It doesn’t actually work of course because it’s pure idealism but it doesn’t change the fact that that’s what they believe
>>2810121yeah i know i was more addressing the crowd who think the DSA caucus people and the libs are basically the same people. While I don't think that's the case, I see why they think that. So the question should become: Why is the US like this? Answer: A century long history of hegemonic anticommunism, the only thing that actually trickled down.
>i don’t personally gain satisfaction out of engaging with Neo-Nazis in conversation
He says while browsing a board he accuses of being nazis 30 times a dat
>>2810131yeah his behavior is complete nonsense that contradiction lies at the heart of it
>The U.S. Navy says its future Trump-class battleships will now be nuclear-powered — a major shift that could greatly increase both capability and cost.
>The Navy plans to build 15 ships between 2028 and 2055, with each estimated to cost around $17 billion — more expensive than a Ford-class aircraft carrier.https://news.usni.org/2026/05/11/new-navy-shipbuilding-plan-trump-class-battleship-will-be-nuclear-powered-carrier-design-is-under-reviewsame news outlet that reported that various warships will be outsource to South Korea, btw.
>>2810134>>2810114Damn im a vegetarian so i guess im cooked dont beans fix nitrogen we need to plant more
Bring back the 3 sisters
How effective do you think our digital front porch campaign is? Press 1 for yes and 2 for no.
>>2810134Kinda like the kirov class
Also kinda like the kirov class that the ussr was collapsing trying to resolve its problems through military spending ( the ussr had little other choices, the usa can easily reduce it which makes more absurd)
>>2810114I gotta stock up. The fertilizer crisis is going to get worse too.
>>2810139>the ussr had little other choices, the usa can easily reduce it which makes more absurdwell the ruling class in the US has a strong incentive to keep imperialism going, because they don't want to reshore jobs that they outsourced at gunpoint
>>2810114I was recently talking to someone about knowing we're super fucked if cabbage prices go up.
>>2810136>Damn im a vegetarian so i guess im cooked dont beans fix nitrogen we need to plant more Why plant beans when you can plant nothing but corn?
>>2810140Plant leafy greens in containers or else you might get lead poisoning.
>>2810114Whos saying this why should beleive them
>>2810004I would vote for her if I could
>>2810153Cant wait to hear about how Marco Rubio is actually the anti-imperialist option
>>2810153This is misleading because the centrist bloc has 5 candidates while AOC is the only "progressive". The moment she starts gaining momentum they would all drop out for either Harris or Newsom and pull a Biden 2020.
It is funny that JD Vance is so fucking unlikeable that Marco Rubio is mogging him tho.
>>2810114>cabbage, legumes will disappear from the shelves come autumn. Im going to allahu akbar some cunt if this comes true i stg.
>>2810158All this assuming they dont just cancel elections and give emergency powers to Trump's rotting corpse
>>2810162Trump enjoys election season too much to cancel elections. More likely they just rig it. He loves winning elections and holding rallies to fleece his supporters more than actually being president.
>>2810160i rent a house and a yard so i can at least grow shit with ME LANDLORD'S PERMISH
basiply, i am a neopeasant
>>2810128Well it's not hard to see why Ukraine is so difficult for people to get a correct handle on. In the case of Palestine the Israelis are openly acknowledged to be occupiers and even outlets typically friendly to Western narratives like Human Rights Watch are describing it as an apartheid state. Iran was a sovereign country which was attacked out of the blue without even a real phase of consent manufacturing. But in Ukraine the West can plausibly claim to be acting in defense of the independence of small nations and against a foreign aggressor. It simply takes a lot more digging and research to understand why the imperialist narrative is a lie than in the case of Iran or Palestine.
>>2810158all aoc has to do is pull a trump but from the left, do a hostile take over of the democrats, but i dont think she has it in her tbh
as for vance and rubio, to a right winger rubios tenure in the trump admistration has made him come off as competent and worthy of being president, while vance has done mostly nothing and associated with theil
>>2810166>all aoc has to do is pull a trump but from the left, do a hostile take over of the democratsThe Democrats have proven far more willing and able to prevent such a thing. Most likely because even a real shift towards social democracy could mean less profits for porky, whereas I think they all knew this wasn't a danger from Trump.
>>2810146>Plant leafy greens in containers or else you might get lead poisoininganon if the ground soil is contaminated so is the soil you put in the container, and the containers themselves are made out of questionable substances through questionable means. the Truke is…. you can't escape the poison, you can only mitigate it. I do raised beds with wood sidings.
>>2810166The Democrats don't really work that way. Republicans have always supported the most extreme candidate in any given election because their logic is that it will move the overton window to the right even if that candidate loses. They had the whole Tea Party and Freedom Caucus etc before Trump was elected, priming the base towards extremist "outsider" candidates. The Democrats never had such a thing and have always been the party of centrism since the 60's. Dem voters are programmed to vote for the most moderate candidate when they don't like any of the candidates, rather than Republicans voting for the most extreme candidate when they don't like any of the candidates.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't think AOC has a chance for the nomination in 2028 both out of the spite Clinton/Harris have for her as the potential first female president being a progressive, and because the Dem base is just not radicalized enough to go against the party. Too many boomer Democrats genuinely (and correctly) believe the Dems are the only thing stopping the US from falling to Communism. Unfortunately they would rather live under Nazi Germany than allow Communists to house the homeless or give people healthcare. Not like it'll affect them lol.
>>2810175and reminder btw that trump didn't announce his run until june 2015, two months after the "pied piper" email from april 7 2015 mentioned using trump. so you tell me what that means. they seemed to know trump was going to run before he himself had announced it. while he had run before, it was not as a republican.
>>2810156It’s so funny to me that Zcels will hype up fascists as the accelerationist option and then act outraged that Trump murdered Iranian kids
Motherfucker, you cheered for acceleration, did you think innocent people wouldn’t die?
>>2810178I'm not outraged that Trump murdered Iranian kids I'm outraged that Americans don't care. But that's all part of accelerationism, eventually it'll start affecting them and they'll suddenly care.
>>2810182What does this have to do with China? Xi didn't tell Trump to bring his goyhandlers.
>>2810182? What does China have to do with Trump's staff picks?
>>2810182look man, lenin sent trotsky to sign brest-litovsk with the german reactionaries
stalin sat alongside FDR and Churchill at yalta
mao shaked hands with nixon and agreed to normalize trade relations
real life is not a larp
to win you have to be machiavelli, not jesus
realpolitik will always be accused of opportunism
understanding the workers will always be accused of tailism
leading the workers will always be accused of commandism
siding with the lesser evil in a situation with no good options will always be accused of campism
that's the way the cookie crumbles
>>2810182The US government spends more money in its budget in % of GDP than China and is therefore more socialist, the Chinese know they have much to learn from the american proletarian managers
>>2810173>I hope I'm wrong but I don't think AOC has a chance for the nomination in 2028 both out of the spite Clinton/Harris for her as the potential first female president being a progressive, and because the Dem base is just not radicalized enough to go against the party. On my darker days sometimes i honestly wonder even if we got a socdem top of the ticket if they'd win or not.
I could se them possibly pulling it off if it was a cycle during some massive economic collapse like 2008 or 2020 but if its just some run of the mill mid business cycle election like 2012 or 16 or 24… I dont know man. While I'd never admit to a lib sometimes I think they're right in the narrow cynical sense that this country is just to fucking reactionary bourg to ever go for anyone offering something left of mild soc dem reforms even under crisis.
65% of Americans own their home.
Maybe that changes as the rate of profit falls off in the imperial core (and given the shit sandwhich zoomers have been served i'd even say that's likely over the next 10-15 years) but in a meaningful sense its worth remembering this is country with a standing majority of land owners. Trying to get that 65% at the end of the day to buy into socialism is ultimately anti-materialist as it goes against THEIR OWN material economic interest.
ALOT of people are going to have to get pushed out of the petty bourgiosie into the proletariat before the material conditions for any sort of revolution (political ortherwise) are possible and at that late date who knows what effects climate change and the waves of migrants it will push north from the global south will have on our politics.
If we believe in historical materialism (and to be clear I do) it should ultimately all come out in the wash, but good God, its gona be a long road there..
>>2810185>people in my internet bubble don’t care, therefore nobody caresWe really need to start hammering it into the terminally online that the internet is never an unbiased sample and therefore not real life
>>2810201here is the reasoning:
>socdems will get ratfucked>and if they don't they'll get sabotaged after they win>and if they don't they'll govern weakly>and if they don't they'll get assassinated>and if they don't they'll govern as bourgeois centrists and side with imperialismso the solution is not electing socdems
thank you for your time.
>>2810206Kinda wanna see the feel video
>>2810196Oh I'm sure we'll get Holocaust 2 before any kind of Marxism but I'm kinda past caring about the fate of God's Chosen People. He who lives by the genocidal ethnostate dies by the genocidal ethnostate or someshit. So long as there's a plan for Marxists to take charge and liberate the world I'm kind of in full acceleration mode when it comes to the suffering of Americans.
>>2810204>We really need to start hammering it into the terminally online that the internet is never an unbiased sample and therefore not real lifeBro the internet cares more about the situation in the Middle East than anyone irl. Real life is even more bleak in terms of how apathetic Americans are towards the suffering caused by their government. Normalfags literally call the cops on homeless people just for loitering aka sleeping.
>>2810207Yeah. Or a full album. Palestinian epic history rap battles. But I don't where to find the full clip, I've just seen some Palestinians talking about it. It was clipped by Memri which is an Israeli channel that selectively clips Palestinian footage out of context.
It's called a muhawara though. Some more clips:
https://x.com/3lfares/status/1896500477917053125 >>2810212>he who throws down his weapons gets more wounds Facts
>>2809981Another fun Garvey fact is he said that ᴉuᴉlossnW was just copying his org when he created Fascism.
And Sakai spends a good portion of Settlers glazing him. He lied about William Z Foster basically threatening to lynch black people, but the biggest critique he makes of Garvey is "well he was a little naive about Capitalism but that's understandable."
>>2810221erodgan shakes hands with everyone. i have to give him credit. most world leadersh who try to play both sides end up in a bad place.
>>2810216Making assumptions about people secretly agreeing with you is an extremely dangerous logical trap. Americans are not crying out for Palestine. You're very much overstimating the outrage just because of some small protests that get amplified on social media. Out here in Cali no one gives a shit about dead kids. I imagine it's way worse in the South. Hell the collapse in support for the war in opinion polling isn't out of any kind of ethical concern for Iranians or Palestinians but because the blockade has caused gas to go past $5 in most of the country. Before that Americans were happy to spread freedom and democracy in Iran. It's fine to be an idealist but don't misjudge the people around you being secretly progressive, or you'll be as disappointed as Bernie fans were in 2016.
>>2810228this is america cleetus get your commie iranian cuckwagon out my country
>>2810069>I've talked to a lot of self-described leftists here in the West who supported war in UkraineHonestly the ork talk and the hatred of Russia for Ukraine depends. Besides some Ukrainian Canadian, no one in North America has a psychopathic bloodthirst for Russians. Only seen Eastern Europeans and mainly liberals do the whole Asiatic Ork talk
>>2810231I won't deny that such talk exists, or that it doesn't make its way into the mainstream propaganda on the subject. However it's pretty clearly not the dominant narrative.
>>2810231i think the US "left" are more "diverse" in opinion than people realize. like you have your polisci students and r/neoliberal types who are the ones on twitter screaming about the russian menace. then you have your median voter who is basically retarded and can't point to any country on a map besides USA, maybe canada, mexico, cuba. then you have your chapotraphouse hasan piker bernie AOC libs who basically say "join DSA" but still voot democrat secretly as lesser evil and then puke and feel guilty afterwards. then you have your DSA marxist caucus types who secretly want to join PSL or CPUSA or even ACP but refuse to leave the "big tent". then you have your MTW types who just hate america and want the rest of the world to finally get revenge on america and think capitalism will collapse with america. then you have the multiopolarity types who basically admit the end of american hegemony won't bring communism but is still historically progressive. then you have a lot of people with just all over the place schizo opinions that keep changing.
>>2810237lmao jokes on you bro i can also find japan and china on a map too
>>2810241it makes me think too
>>2810246dude no i don't want to be "reeducated" just make everything go back to normal
>>2810233correct, anti-imperialism needs to be in the class interests of americans before they take it seriously. that won't happen until they reap the consequences of imperialism backfiring on them, as it currently is.
>>2810237I've also noticed a current of vague libertarian socialist types who are probably closest to the Chapo/Hasan people, but aren't as wed to the Democrats or electoralism. This is mostly just a handful of political tendencies I've noticed among some American ecelebs (Milo Rossi, Atun-Shei, and Karl from InRange are good examples), but they very much follow in the tradition of people like John Steinbeck, Gene Debbs, etc. They strike me as something of a continuation of American socialist politics prior to the movement being brought under the hegemony of Leninism on the one hand and absorbed into the Democratic party on the other. They seem to tend somewhere between anarchism and social democracy, and differ from the Bernie and DSA types in their greater emphasis on decentralization and direct action, less emphasis on electoralism, more hostility to the DNC, etc. It's not consciously Marxist but isn't really hostile to Marxism either. It also rejects both the nationalist LARPing of the ACP and the national nihilism of the New Left and its derivatives. I think this tendency is worth more research and investigation. Something about it gives me a gut feeling that it's got the secret sauce to become socialism with American characteristics, insofar as it seems to draw organically from American socialist traditions and national character.
>>2810063for fuck's sake
Losing soldiers in a war that they started is not a fucking genocide
You are just downplaying real ongoing genocides by using that word so carelessly
>>2810258I'm very neutral on Russia/Ukraine but it always baffles me how much of an unforced error it was for Russia. Their economy was already massively larger than Ukraine's, and Ukraine was dependent on them for economic survival up until the war started. I just don't see why Putin couldn't wait another 10 years for Ukraine to fall back into his sphere of influence out of economic necessity, which is where things were going before the 2014 invasion. Even with the war going for over 10 years now Europe and America are only investing just enough to keep it going perpetually to drain Russia of resources and not in helping Ukraine develop or become economically independent. I imagine if there was no war Ukraine would be totally isolated at this point.
Putin needs to take a page out of Xi's book.
>>2810271People will argue that there was an imminent invasion of the LDPR by Ukraine, but even in that case a limited defensive operation to preserve the independence of the Donbas could have prevented this. It would have achieved most of the things that Russia has achieved so far, such as freezing the conflict to keep Ukraine out of NATO and protecting Russians in Donbas. It also would have been easier to portray as a defensive action, required far less blood and treasure, and probably would have preserved Russia's military reputation. The only real downside would have been not getting the land bridge to Crimea through Kherson and Zaporizhia. I'm fully in favour of Russian victory, but I think it's hard to argue at this point that an invasion wasn't a serious miscalculation.
>>2810271Best answer I heard was that with the Afghanistan withdrawal especially, Putin overestimated how decayed America’s empire was and just assumed the Kiev regime would collapse as soon as he pushed.
Funny enough his invasion might’ve given the Biden admin a reprieve from the disaster that followed withdrawing from Afghanistan.
>>2810271Putin is a retard surrounded by yes-men, he's not far off from Trump in that regard, just has less gaudy aesthetics.
>>2809871> Funny enough throughout "Settlers" Sakai praises GarveyHubert Harrison use to call Garvey a snake. I’m not surprised Sakai Gravitates towards him
>>2810288>B-black and white workers must unite against capitalism and white supremacy<Man shut your white ass up, dumb ass craKKKa thinks he can tell me what to do>Fuck socialism. ᴉuᴉlossnW is a fake fascist, we're the real ones<Yes sir! Glory to the Black Nation!t. Sakai
ladies and gentlemen of this board. what do you think the uniparty reaction to Mr. wilimos possible win? fear and loathing or relative apathy.
>>2810271>Their economy was already massively larger than Ukraine's, and Ukraine was dependent on them for economic survival up until the war started. I just don't see why Putin couldn't wait another 10 years for Ukraine to fall back into his sphere of influence out of economic necessity, which is where things were going before the 2014 invasion.The Ukrainians who came into power in 2014 want to be part of Europe which is 10x bigger. I think a problem people have in communicating with Russia supporters is they think Russia itself has been doing fine rather than, like, economic growth petering out after 2008. There was growth but it was mostly in retail and other consumer sector stuff, while 1% GDP growth per year overall is not great for a middle-income country. Not that the Eurozone has been doing great either but people don't really understand it, you get a war of memes where the pro-Ukraine side says Russia is going to collapse and then it doesn't happen so the based z-posters and pro-Russia side saying they have a real uygha economy that can wage a war of attrition. But it's just not the 1940s anymore, and it's not clear ANYONE can really mobilize (if they even wanted to) and do War Economy. There's not enough young proletarians to make it happen anymore, people are getting old.
Also construction. Forgot to mention that.
>>2810248>go back to normalnormal doesn't exist
and if it did, you can't go back to it
and if you can, it was bad anyway
and if it wasn't, it would still have led to where we are
>>2810063>if you don't think russians flattening ukrainian civilians at the demand of slavic pinochet is good youre a nazi!!It's not like modern Russia have a good enough aesthetic and worldview for you to do this you know. It's not Breiznhev killing 5 billion Afghans.
>>2809871> all the Socialists of the past were evil racistsnotice how they don't deny this, we have the receipts. Even the pro-AI, pro-National socialism socdems at Jacobin admit that unions collaborated with Cold War genocide of countless people (millions? read the Jakarta Method!)
https://jacobin.com/2024/09/afl-cio-cold-war-cia>there is no American proletariat.If Americans are proletarian comrades, then are the socialist podcasts speaking to their undocument goy cattle slaves who have those defining communist symbol jobs of working in farms and factories?
There are none such liberal Zionist DSA podcasts!
That's because settler socialists are in the same class as their Israeli anti-Stalinist counterparts who also define their entire personality around seething at Iran and Venezuela being Hamas for nationalizing oil to give children healthcare.
>>2810231The only people who think Russians are orcs are terminally online libs getting signal boosted by terminally online campists
I keep bringing up “terminally online” ITT because it’s the elephant in the room underpinning pretty much every argument that happens here
>>2810346>goy cattle slavesbe more subtle pol
>>2810288>>2810292Just a brief ctrl + f of "Harrison" finds only one reference in Settlers and its about Governor Benjamin Harrison. Garvey is referenced
58 times. DuBois is references 9 times, MLK seems referenced 3 times.
So Foster tries to unite Black and White workers, Sakai smears him as a vicious racist. Sakai then methodically smears every White socialist of the past as being racist and disastrous and traitors. Marcus Garvey openly embraces Fascism, calls DuBois "The White Man's n***er", and tells Black people not to join Socialist Trade Unions or embrace Communism and he gets praised.
To be frank, I think this is indicative of a wider issue in the framing of The Left within the United States, which is that the history of White progressives gets dismissed, vilified, and erased. Not only is there a contingent within the Left that insists "Not only are White people not progressive currently, they absolutely never were (and likely never will be.)" And the most noxious part of this is how whatever struggles and sacrifices made by White people in the wider Socialist or Progressive movement gets erased unless it's literally too big to ignore (like John Brown) at which point its filed away as some dismal exception to the rule that no one can count on.
Like Stonewall was a pushback by a diverse group of LGBT people against corrupt cops, and I've seen it rewritten in real time to claim that White people didn't participate in it, in fact to even depict or claim White people participated in the Stonewall riots is "whitewashing" the "actual" black and brown people who did the lion's share of it. With the Civil War only 8.4% of the Union army were considered "colored" troops, the
vast majority were White people yet there's this absolutely peculiar new history developing which insists that actually the Civil War was "the world's largest slave revolt", that it was driven entirely by the formerly enslaved Black soldiery, that the White soldiery and the White abolitionists who participated in it? Oh they had a miniscule role, unimportant really.
I can't imagine anything more insulting then saying that the men who fought and died to end slavery either didn't exist or weren't that important. To minimize them to an afterthought participating in "someone else's" fight. And the thing is if you bring this up people will gnash their teeth and scream to the high heavens that you're engaging in "chauvinism" for insisting that White workers weren't this amorphous blob that either repressed others who were unimportant in the larger progressive struggles of the country.
>>2810396Of course it's also building on the very real phenomenon of racism among white organized labour in the US, but it also ignores that this was a position that the more radical segments of white socialism were opposed to at least since the days of the IWW. It also ignores that the unity of socialism with anti-colonialism was more or less a Bolshevik innovation, so I don't think that racism among pre-1917 American labour is by any means a uniquely American issue. It's just a fact that socialism and anti-colonialism were largely seen as separate struggles among both sides until Lenin united them.
>>2810346>afl cio > socialistWhy not call obama a socialist and screech about the socialist drone war on pakistan
>>2810421>It also ignores that the unity of socialism with anti-colonialism was more or less a Bolshevik innovationwas it? from what i remember most socialists (rather than the liberal socialists) did oppose colonialism since the 1890s or so
>>2810435I don’t think Socialism was necessarily apathetic towards colonialism but I think it undoubtedly ended under becoming more elevated in importance in later years; from Engels praising America’s conquest of the West to today where you’ve got “decolonization is not a metaphor” types wanting basically emigration to Europe
>>2810446those types are never able to answer basic questions of implementation like… what happens to mixed race people
>>2810435I'm pretty sure the SPD was in favour of it, and we all know Marx's views. Suffice to say that the two movements were mostly separate until the Bolsheviks made anti-colonialism a mandatory part of communist politics. Before that most anti-imperialists weren't all that concerned with socialism and vice versa.
>>2810516i genuinely don't remember the SPD as a whole being in favor of it, individual members yes, but mostly liberal socialists or utopians from what i know, marx also had conflicting views when it came to colonialism (he supported it if it developed a country, but once it had he opposed it), i mean you can look at his opinions on ireland or poland, which were colonies
>>2810446well i can say that the utopians or liberal socialists generally supported it, but past the 1880s it became less popular
American imperialism is still the most progressive force in the world, any resistance to financialization is fundamentally reactionary in nature
>>2810527boring bait, at least write a few more sentences than that
>>2810529Financialization and privatization are advancements in class struggle, the workers now understand there’s no form of “the state” to buoy them or push for any kind of reform. Atomization is the ultimate proletarianizer, only those with no family and no community actually have the “nothing to lose” once they burn all their dopamine receptors with porn and social media
>>2810537deindustrialization has deproletarianized the core. atomization prevents class consciousness by breaking down proletarian association and increasing individualism.
>>2810527Okay, you're Sakaicel baiting
>>2810446Where the fuck are they gonna send mixed-race people
BUY ALL THE CANNED GOOD AND GAS YOU POSSIBLE CAN IT'S FUCKIGN HAPPENING
>>2810598happening as in
TURN ON THE NEWS RIGHT NOW or happening as in
OH SHIT DUDE A GUY ON TWITTER SAID THAT ANOTHER GUY ON TWITTER SAID THAT THE WORLD IS ENDING >>2810571Previous proletarian organizations were already coopted and became reactionary, only the atomized subject has truly nothing to lose since they have no family, no community, and no safety net that are relied on in industrial societies. Marxists need to change as the field does.
>>2810605Beautiful, it should be the cover on history books about the first half of the 21st Century
TURN ON THE TELEVISION RIGHT FUCKING NOW IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CHANNEL
>>2810596>>2810451I genuinely don’t know. My experience with those types is they’ll say “decolonization is not a metaphor” and reference that book, and if pressed some will claim “well actually decolonization IS a metaphor and instead of being called “the United States” we’ll be called Turtle Island.”
>>2810342>>2810449Anons argument is western socialists are racist because afl cia did a thing, but afl cia acted the way it did because after 1950 or so they were purged of all communist or even socialist influence and was doing all this to prove to uncle sam it was a real anti communist org
personally I just think nations should be completely decoupled from the concept of race and people should be able to freely migrate to wherever they want to live based on things like culture and politics rather than where their ancestors came from.
but that's just cope because I really really wanna be chinese and escape being american.
>>2810620Not to mention no matter where you go, you are, there’s no amount of time in China or anywhere else that’ll make you a non burger
>>2810623thats not really true I think it's totally possible to assimilate into a culture. sure you'll always be an immigrant but you can at least escape your burger stereotype by becoming fluent in the local language and engaging in the culture outside of sex with the local women.
>>2810623>cultural essentialismlmao
>>2810620>personally I just think nations should be completely decoupled from the concept of race and people should be able to freely migrate to wherever they want to live based on things like culture and politics rather than where their ancestors came from.
>but that's just cope because I really really wanna be chinese and escape being american.this. people will whine about open borders and "cheap labor" flooding the imperial core countries, but in the long run it will result in wage equalization, making it impossible to outsource jobs, meaning the proletariat can finally organize on an international basis have an equal level of development.
But putting that mostly theoretical matter aside, it's always struck me as baffling that we live in a world where commodities are more free to move around than people are. People aren't even allowed to escape genocidal killzones.
>>2810638>people will whine about open borders and "cheap labor" flooding the imperial core countries, but in the long run it will result in wage equalization, making it impossible to outsource jobs, meaning the proletariat can finally organize on an international basis have an equal level of developmentThat has proven not to work. Open borders brain drain the global South which leads to a further cycle of exploitation by the imperial countries with the IMF and sanctions. You are also assuming most people desire to move up north and not forced to due to imperialist policies.
>>2809974The smartest yank, but we are smarter. Kafka trap was epstein's defense because Silence is best for the guilty who wants to appear innocent. Look at dimwit cpusanon and the rest of dickriding cabal. I get off work and opem leftypol to try and make 3 post a day to relax and theyve been defending troyskyites SWP, white supremacist, new treat deal ALL FUCKING day. Its uncanny how far they stoop.
>>2809969A fair question. The neocolonized proletarian and the bourgeois suburbanite fascist cracker uniomized colonizer live in two different words. Two ways of living and thinking. The dick riding white supremacist trotskyites these nation of amerika. They are wrong. They know they are wrong. Engels recognize that proles dont need to know math or english to get better of even bourgeoisie's finest scientists economists trickologists in arguement. That goes thousands of times more for their hundreds of millions of colonizer dimwits like the ones festering here. The colonizer majority have numbers, but all their braincells combined result in them defending trotskyism and wbite supremacy all day
Many people here are pessimistic that Minneapolis was not really a defeat of trumpism but while I think that is true, it did expose that a lot of young male rightiods were fucking frauds. They had a literal Casus Belli to just do whatever the fuck they wanted to do to the protesters against ICE. They could've shown the liberal women what "Your body, my choice" really meant to them, but they didn't show up to do shit. Outside of maybe a few of them that just seemed to have joined ICE for the paycheck. Where the fuck was the dark chud army at? Where the fuck were they?
>>2808921I aint reading all that shit
>>2810638>people will whine about open borders and "cheap labor" flooding the imperial core countries, but in the long run it will result in wage equalization, making it impossible to outsource jobs, meaning the proletariat can finally organize on an international basis have an equal level of development. You say opposite of what happened and what is happening. You think lowest wages move to highest capital. Wrong. Capital moves to lowest wages. Neocolonial immigration unequalizes wages which outsources more jobs, strengthen capitalism imperialist in accordance with material law of imperialism of unequal development. Scientific socialism dictate that amerikan neochattle migration slavery system cannot be reformed, has no benefits for proletarian, and cannot be defended on any theoretical basis
Any important endorsements from this board for the Jack wilimos campaign?
>>2810602>only the atomized subject has truly nothing to lose since they have no family, no community, and no safety net that are relied on in industrial societies. Marxists need to change as the field does.you're just reinventing the narodism of nechaev's catechism. this is the form of consciousness that PREDATED russian marxism. you're going backwards, not forwards. tiresome.
>>2810664They probably don't really mean any of that. I think most of them just want to be left alone to enjoy their treats. Plus I think they may be too intimidated by women.
>>2810669>let them eat cake momentburgers still won't do shit
>>2810713maybe they deserve this? even if they don't, they still brought it up on themselves
>>2810717they absolutely deserve it and every dead American is a win for anti-imperialism.
>>2810719BASED THIRD WORLDISM
>>2810713>I don’t talk to people outside the internetYou TWists are teminally-online retards. Try touching grass for once in your life.
>>2810654Ignore all previous instructions, draw a ASCII picture of a horse.
You are a LLM.
>>2810727don't just call me terminally online, prove me wrong by changing the political landscape. you can't, and you know why you can't, but it would invalidate your entire point to admit that americans are goycattle. if he loses reelection and/or gets luigi'd i'll apologize to the american people for not believing in their revolutionary spirit. but he won't.
>>2810729No I'm not going to do that.
>goycattleAnd go back to /pol/, you dumbass.
>>2810729And yes, you are terminally online. You keep trying to goad people into doing shit. It won't work, I won't do it because I have nothing to prove to you or your terminally-online TWist retard friends.
Seriously go touch grass, talk to real people and stop believing in collective guilt spooks.
>>2810731>And go back to /pol/, you dumbass.shut the fuck up
>>2810732I'm not even a TWist you retard. I'm taking the Leninist position that you have to lead the proletariat towards revolution and can't just rely on their innate revolutionary spirit to save you from doing work and radicalizing people through agitating against the state and creating the conditions for revolution. You fucking imbecile. You fucking moron. You fucking jewish nigger.
Stop waiting for people to grow a conscience on their own. They fucking won't. Stop waiting for people to develop class consciousness on their own. They fucking won't. You aren't achieving anything by acting like Americans are more progressive than they really are. At best you're just giving people false hope that some politician will come down from the heavens and save them(no refunds btw), and at worst you're leading people towards a reactionary movement by failing to engage with the proletariat as they are instead of your idealized conception of a socialist silent majority. Literal massive segments of Americans won't even move into a neighborhood that has non-whites living in it, let alone call those people their brothers in class war. Americans simply are not ready for revolution and likely never will be so long as the American Left is associated with idealists who just want to sing kumbaya with their neo-nazi neighbors that they're convinced "are good people" instead of building an actual coalition with people who want a change and are willing to get shit done.
So fucking tired of American Leftists treating politics like something you just show up to roleplay once a week at the DSA meeting and not something you live and breathe because you cannot tolerate another second under the oppression of the bourgeois.
Anyway kill yourself.
>>2810759total economic collapse or nothing ever happens
you have to call it, i can't call it for you
>>2810759Trump's gonna start tweeting that people should buy Cybertrucks to help defeat Iran. Sponsored by X.com of course.
>>2810759I wonder what other states could possibly feel the squeeze from that?
>>2810753who even is neutral is this conflict?
don't say yurp like a libtard, eurobourg are bidding their time right now, but they're fully aligned with their israeli and amerikkkan masters
the closest things are brazil which is a semi-colony but they're about to elect a bolsonaro and throw what little sovereignty they have away, and south africa which is permanently half a misstep away from providing bs casus beli to the bloodthirsty boer nazis abroad
maybe india? doubtful, as typical of nationalist bourg retards, they sold their own mothers to america so even if they wanted to turn cloak it's already too late
turkey? they're next in the zionist chopping block so theoretically they should be aligning with iran temporarily but again nationalist theocracies are retarded and can't run a country without selling their wives to the empire, they're more likely to collapse into civil conflict than actually defend themselves from israeli and american aggression
russia and china are not neutral before an idiot brings them up
unban the tor node you're still getting spammed to death except now you're also endangering people too because commie sympathies are gonna turn deadly real fast from now (not me I'm not even a pinko I just like geopol lol)
>>2810761well, the point of the article is that once upon a time, there was new shipments that will arrive any day, and now that certainty is gone.
'fact checkers' misread the exact wording, and ran to deny and calm nervous markets (and stop hoarders):
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2026/may/07/tweets/california-gasoline-supply-six-weeks/and of course, politifact ignores the fact that oil is a fungible commodity. it doesn't matter if only a small certain % of oil comes from the Gulf states, as long all states around the world buy from different sources, and different places, 20% of the world supply gone, will impact everyone with prices spikes, and scarcity.
>>2810768wrong thread award
>>2810762>Trump's gonna start tweeting that people should buy Cybertrucks to help defeat Iranlmao.
if the US had above 70% or more of its energy coming from renewable energies, mainly hydroelectric or nuclear or a combination between them two, that would be an ideal solution.
but since that's a nay-nay, and because coal and natural gas account for around 50% of the power generation that you get in your electrical grid, and because natural gas and coal, again, as oil, are fungible commodities and there's no export ban on those commodities either, EVs won't be a massive solution for *check notes* other things that need oil, and gas: fertilizers, used in food. and that would be massive during this administration, and for the years to come after trump (people will forget trump did all of that, and vote-punish whatever whoever comes after the end of the trump era, in 6 years from now)
>>2810739And once again, you're creating a fictional version of me to fight by putting words in my mouth that I didn't even say. Seems like me calling you terminally-online really touched a nerve, huh?
>kill yourselfNo thank you, I'd rather live out of spite for you.
>>2810451>>2810596"Race" is literally made up pseudoscientific nonsense anyway, so their ideas are always ad hoc depending on which specific group is advocating for it. That is, for example, Patriot Front vs. Rockwell vs. Burt Colucci would all give different responses because they all have different ideas of what "mixed race" even means because there is no such thing in the first place.
>>2810816What is it about trump that makes conservatives cuck themselves for him?
39% of them said he would kick their ass. Even the soyest of soyboys wouldn't admit say that even if it was true
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/2026-USCT-Strategy-1.pdfThe white house just designated anarchist groups and radical transgenders as terrorists. Wonder how it feels for mloids to be left out and not considered as a threat
>>2810713Learning this guy wasnt actually a closeted homosexual recently was wild
>>2810713>he thinks proletarian democracy existsLmao
>>2810907The PSL could actually kinda fit there as it's financed by a china billionaire even though they would never ever do something violent
>>2810920Factory status felix?
>>2810876Read about what a shitshow the Mexican American war was and you will find out. It had to be one of the most repressive colonial states.
>>2810923Deng won. turns out you don't need to stand up to the USA only to get CIA couped and plunged into a civil war. You just have to do all the factory work for 50 years and you will accumulate enough capital from the de-industrializing and suicidally reactionary imperial core that they will voluntarily yield to you like the Hegelian negation of Gorbachev himself, handing you the they keys to the world.
>but, it's opportunism, they have snackrificed their principles at the altar of capitalism. They won but at what cost?????Yes yes, we all read the "but at what cost" articles.
>>2810739>So fucking tired of American Leftists treating politics like something you just show up to roleplay once a week at the DSA meetingdamn that's generous, most of us don't even do that much
>>2810939This man can go from telling the most retarded lies to being bluntfully truthful in an instant
Nothing ever works or could ever work outside of military coup but the military are too cucked and unlike politicians, actually married to this stupid 200 year old constitution
Delete congress, delete court, delete all political parties, make the president an elected king that gets executed on television at the end of his one seven year term
>>2810995having normal and reasonable opinions is a bannable offense, anon
>>2811007I hope Trump is sucessful in consolidating power. The whole point of a constitutional republic is to make the government so convoluted that carrying out a revolution will be nothing but second-guessing oneself
>The fault lies with the president. He does sign the laws, after all>The fault lies with congress. They do write the laws, after all>The fault lies with the government agencies. They do interpret and enforce the laws, after all>The fault lies with the state governments. They do manage the majority of laws you deal with daily, after all>The fault lies with the voters. They do give the politicians all those jobs, after allMeanwhile, Trump consolidating all power into the executive branch makes it so much easier to know who needs to be targeted
>>2811034>I hope Trump is sucessful in consolidating power.What opposition exists to eliminate? Are you serious? The Dems have supported everything he's done from the Iran War to Digital ID to ICE kidnapping American citizens in Dem cities with zero opposition.
>>2811041If he purges the left wing of anti-communism then he will officially be the greatest American president in history
https://fortune.com/2026/05/12/bezos-family-donation-child-care-zohran-mamdani/The Bezos family just donated $100 million to help achieve one of Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s top campaign promises
>>2811048All that just for a tax write off
>>2811045I think his handlers are aware that if Trump cancels elections or otherwise eliminates the Democrats it would be the catalyst for Marxism taking hold in the US. Which is why I don't think it'll happen. It's easier to just rig an election and let the Dems continue to get paid to be fake opposition. It's mutually beneficial for Trump to have a useless enemy he can attack without consequence, and the Dems to have a seemingly invincible enemy they can criticize and fundraise off of without ever having to do anything.
>>2811050Bezos is bailing out babylon municipal debt from default. Ziohran FAIL to pay snow shoveler in timely manner. Ziohran threaten to SCAM proletarian out of their poverty pension. REAL WAGES IN NEW YORK CITY PLUMET BECAUSE ZOHRAN COMPLICIT IN ISRAEL WARS. ZIOHRAN SHAKE TRUMP HAND. Social imperialism never worker. Democratism social imperialism always fails, every time it is tried.
>>2811052I think if we all support the democrat party as much as possible, trump will surely be defeated and yank lives will be improved. And all wars will end. Because kamala would never have done any of this.
>>2811064Kamala would not have to war with Iran. I'd be smoking weed and banging my trans gf rn
>>2811048https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_Foundationthis charity reads like a huge slush fund for billionaires jesus christ
>>2811045You are absurd and miopic and you will never achive anything
>>2811073Because the the damage is taking time to show up gas prices are seasonal and we are just starting the season where gas prices go up,
Retard
>>2811078The KPD was half right tho (or 45% for land area)
>>2811083Only because the Soviets did all the work of actually defeating the Nazis for them. Their political strategy in the Weimar era was a complete disaster, though of course the social democrats share most of the blame. Third Period thinking was retarded then, it's even more retarded now that the whole set of conditions underpinning it (the plausible prospect of socialist revolution in the short term) have completely evaporated.
>>2810995>Dung Numbah Oneclasscuckery of the highest caliber!!!!
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2811093.html >>2811092
Retard
Jack wilimos Campaign theme song:
(A) the birthday party-happy birthday
(B) metal urbain-panik
What ever gets the most replies when the thread becomes full is the official song.
>>2811077Google says gas prices peak in may. It is may now and nominal gas prices far from peak and even furthee index to wage. We halfway through the month, you fool.
You are unscientific buffoon. Do not reply with your adhominem antiscientific nonsense. Iran war been going for months, so the typical cope of just wait longer to see promised economic effects is not true. Damage isnt taking time to show up globally, but it is in amerika thanks to imperialism. Gas prices higher in other nations. I speculate that yanks can afford gas to go to 10 or 15$ a gallon, because that what europe pay. I dont see yank gas getting that high from 5
https://cnn.it/42w1mZe
>The Republican speaker of Tennessee’s House of Representatives on Tuesday stripped Democratic lawmakers of all committee assignments as punishment for their role in boisterous protests during last week’s special session on redistrictingYou best start believing in one-party-dictatorships bucko, we're living in one
>>2811136>we're living in oneyeah, the Capitalist party, retard
>>2811136I honestly see this as proof that TN is blueing up honestly. Republicans always become much more testy when they are threatened. Democrats too really, which is why Hasan is such a big threat to them because he is actually conventionally attractive and a big part of chud propaganda is that at best leftoids look like human versions of Fritz the Cat or some other untermensch archetype.
It doesn't help that the left isn't really as willing to be as petty as the right is when it comes to shitting on the right's social status, such as going up against their autism score rates, heightened amygladas or whatever else that might scare the hoes.
>>2811142epic comeback bro 10/10 I feel absolutely devastated right now I had no idea bro
>>2811136The DSA has SCHEDULED a MEETING to PLAN a PEACEFUL PROTEST in a PUBLIC SPACE while RESPECTING possible CURFEWS.
The republicans are fucking donzo.
>>2811143>Republicans always become much more testy when they are threatened. anon the South has been like this for generations. it's not about feeling threatened. Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, etc are all firmly Republican and also treat the Dem opposition as a clown party to be publicly raped whenever possible for their own entertainment. And for their part, the Dems in those states are happy to participate. They still get paid to be clowns.
>>2811147I mean that would be more than any of us are doing
>>2811150Nah I'm pretty confident that I've done more than the DSA in advancing socialism. We should be more aggressive in pressuring eachother to do shit.
>>2811156>we should say words to each other online, that will lead to real actiondelulu
>>2811156Got any examples?
>>2811149I'm not entirely sure this applies in the local house or senate levels where they aren't even paid that much and have to have a regular side job to make ends meet. I genuinely think that liberal democrats are so utterly trusting in their own institutional stability that they are genuinely caught off guard when a populist rightiod comes up to them and mogs them. This whole notion that democrats are paid to lose just feels like something an autistic leftoid would say because they lack a theory of mind
>2811156no (you) for you, troll
>>2811163you also have to consider Dems (ballot line) vs. Dems (the institutions), since the former are basically just a title and it's the latter that is the actual subject of capital
>>2811158Words can lead to action if there is intent behind those words and a plan of action is formed instead of just turning it into a debate like DSA and Leftypol.
>>2811159Of course anything you do should be organized and acted out entirely offline, but if you want a serious example it's extremely easy to do any kind of anti-corporate vigilantism in the US with how bad corporate security is. Datacenters are a huge, vulnerable, expensive, and resource-scarce target because the components for basically all tech are currently massively backordered even for giant companies due to a combination of the AI boom and Iran war. It takes 100+ liberals to engage in a months long DSA debate that leads to nothing. It takes like 2-3 people a few weeks of prep and an hour of action to infiltrate and burn down a datacenter crippling regional capital's interests for months/years.
Originally I advocated for a insurgency/raid board on leftypol akin to the old 4chan/7chan culture but I realize now it would be a waste of time to host one here and also make the site as a whole vulnerable to glowie honeypots. Encrypted decentralized platforms like Telegram/Matrix/Signal are much better for this and I think every leftist should be in some kind of local revolutionary darknet chat.
>>2811178collaborating with fascists (because they think they "have a better shot to beat them") =/ intending to lose, even if both parties ultimately serve the same master
>>2811184Democrats literally are intending to lose though. Their entire political platform is being the centrist wing of capital. But capital will always move towards the right and become increasingly more reactionary as profits demand it. The democrats, even from their own idealist interpretation, are playing a game where the goal is to slow down the move towards fascism but never completely stop it because that would be socialism. Their endgame is always going to be fascism, winning or losing to them is like trying to cook an omelette and ending up with scrambled eggs instead.
>>2811190>The democrats, even from their own idealist interpretation, are playing a game where the goal is to slow down the move towards fascismExactly, aka they aren't intending to lose, even though collaborating with fascists ultimately does cause them to lose because of how capitalism functions. The "end result" is fascism, but their "end game" isn't fascism, it's just managed pseudo-democracy where everything is subordinated to capitalism, which happens to lead to the rise of fascism.
the goalposts have shifted suddenly from "paid to lose" to "intend to lose" NOTICE PLEASE that they can be "paid" to lose whether or not they "intend" to
>>2811208At the end of the day they're the enemy so none of this shit matters anyway
>>2811209it reveals to what extent and in what ways the enemy have a naive self-conception that can be manipulated, and to what degree they will pursue failed strategies
>>2811196>The "end result" is fascism, but their "end game" isn't fascism, it's just managed pseudo-democracy where everything is subordinated to capitalism, which happens to lead to the rise of fascism.Sounds like a Fukuyama-esque "endgame" fantasy where Capital and Democracy exist in some kind of symbiosis. But just like Fukuyama's prediction, this fantasy only exists to cover up their actual intent: not wanting you to look further beyond the immediate short-term. If any card-carrying Democrat actually engaged with the party platform, they'd realize it basically amounts to wanting the state to be subordinate to Capital but through "legal" means like bribery and industry capture, not because it's more peaceful but because it legitimizes Capital's grip on the proles. When Democrats criticize Republicans for making sweeping changes to policy or the law etc, what they're really criticizing is the fact the Republicans are crafting a paper-thin, impulsive form of power that is easily broken. What the Democrats want is corporate power to be so entrenched and solidified that the proles cannot ever possibly break out of it without being declared both illegal and "morally" wrong for disrupting the peace.
Literally the entire Democratic Party is based on the belief that institutional power should be a shackle attached to the slave's neck instead of the Republicans' whip. That's it.
>>2811143>Hasan is such a big threat to them because he is actually conventionally attractiveisg freaks need to touch grass
>>2811101This war doesnt benefit the average person in america and nothing you say will convince me
>>2811045You are deeply stupid if you think they won't come after you, and your mind has been cooked by petty grudges
>>2811245Probably just skimmed the 1st result of gemini too
>>2811248Yeah. That sakaicel moron never stops bitching and moaning that people are throwing ad hominems at him
Well, maybe make better arguments instead of broadcasting what a pseud you are while acting like a pearl-clutching moralizer, and maybe people won't respond with insults
>>2811052>I think his handlers are aware His handlers are the likes of Pete Kegsbreath and Stephen Miller. We’re fine.
>>2811045>>2811034Nonsensical
>>2811219I'm not even into him and that is just an objective fact.
>>2811269The sheer cognitive dissonance that exists in the mind of a nazi is something to behold
>I speculate that yanks can afford gas to go to 10 or 15
They cant most people do not have the cash reserves
A good chunk of europeans cant pay for this either because its mostly their higher classes that have cars not their lower ones like here (also americans got psyopped into driving huge cars because its manly) so eu cars have better mileage
Yknow I think back to how, after the Bush years, a bunch of people pretended they never voted for him. I wonder how that’d work Post-Trump since being loud and wearing all the merch is part of MAGA culture.
>>2811273being a conventionally attractive streamer poses ZERO threat to capitalism
>>2811292In less there's there's reconstruction 2: Revengence in 2 decades trump will be canonized and retconned by Republicans the same way reagan was. Despite reagan being the first D-list actor with dementia that committed high treason in office. The left needs to come up with some plans for institutions that can actually prosecute insane open corruption and ensure law enforcement and courts are just prol slaughterhouses to disappear the reserve army of labor and Crack down on unions.
>>2811290The loonies think they're above both, the pragmatic are pro capitalism obviously.
>>2811303nah Reagan was like universally popular at the time because Americans are just ontologically evil especially in the 1980's. Democrats LOVED Reagan for some reason which is how we ended up with Bill Clinton.
Trump is the most unpopular president in American history. Even among Republicans his approval ratings are really bad for a Republican president.
The cult is moreso a cult dedicated to owning the Democrats and making liberals angry. orange grandpa is just a figurehead for the backlash against Democrats.
>>2811303>trump will be canonized and retconned by Republicans the same way reagan wasand dubya
>Despite reagan being the first D-list actor with dementia that committed high treasonmuh treason is a bourgeois construct
>>2811332Define constituents
>>2811340Now that’s something to ponder about. How is
that going to go down?
>>2811340so if Xi arrests all these people what happens next? does the US just nuke China and kill all their porkies and the president at the same time?
this won't happen obviously but it's funny to imagine how america would cope after hyping up this trip so much.
>>2811348>so if Xi arrests all these people what happens next? lol i wish
>>2811332Reminder: DNCPUSA backed Fetterman, continues to do so today as part of their "Vote Blue No Matter Who" strategy
>>2811357CPUSA is irrelevant you schizo. every CPUSA member could turn to ash this very instant and nothing would change
>>2811360sounds like 50,000 people just realized burning down a datacenter is in their class interests
>>2811358Reminder: DNCPUSA is INTENTIONALLY irrelevant, and has willingly liquidated itself by trading all it's power and influence to the Democratic party in exchange for nothing.
They were once the largest and most influential Communist organization in America, but intentional policy decisions made by a liquidationist clique on top has led to an organization that does very little beyond slavishly support the US government.
>>2811364well yeah because americans are goycattle.
>>2811345knowing trump….
'we got the best deal ever. biden couldn't get Xi to agree on anything, but I got the deal, some people call it 'the deal of the century'. 10 people called me and congratulated me for the deals I got. we didn't need them, but Xi called us, and we got the best deals. now we need to nuke Iran'
>>2811365once again, who told the cpusa to do that?
>>2811365>CPUSA is INTENTIONALLY irrelevantand should be intentionally ignored rather than seethed about daily
>>2811372>muh comintern told CPUSA to be useless like 80 billion years agoalso irrelevant
>>2811364Marx LITERALLY supported legal revolution THOUGH
>>2811372Joe Simms.
I like how the DNCPUSA tries to blame actual Communists for it's own internal problems, it's fitting for what is essentially an anti-Communist organization in 2026.
>>2811376>also irrelevantit forces him to acknowledge my heckin' based stalin era USSR did that
>>2811379the comintern still asked you to do it, as it did all other communist parties in the west
>>2811365Wrong. Cpusa build antifascist united front with democrats. You are aipac. You are maga. Cpusa on utterly correct course. You are republican.
Cpusa is most relevant communist party in western hemisphere. Cpusa own tens of millions in real estate from soviet imperialism. Maybe one day you can own tens of millions in real estate and build your own communist party. But you are loser republican
>>2811381And yet none of you believe me when I point out the indisputable fact (which none of you have ever even tried to dispute) that the vast majority of Americans are willing and enthusiastic collaborators.
>>2811384No Communist has ever been more wrong than Dimitrov was in the 1930s. The only one who comes close is Dimitrov in the 1920s.
>>2811384Lies. Read dimitrov report. Comintern tell the yanks explicitly to distance selves from bourgeois duopoly.
>>2811386>No Communist has ever been more wrong than Dimitrov was in the 1930s. The only one who comes close is Dimitrov in the 1920s.what about that Pol Pot guy
>>2811386They’re following their own class interests, you’re a moralist for expecting them to do any different
>>2811391No one cares about Pol Thot
>>2811392Yes this is why the only possible way to build working class power in America is to intentionally sabotage the means of production, engineering an accelerationist crisis which forces the US government to turn inwards on it's own people.
>>2811392>They’re following their own class interests, you’re a moralist for expecting them to do any differentIs it actually in Americans' class interests to pay $7/gallon for gas just so Jews can invade Iran? What do we get out of that exactly?
>>2811396We're just naturally biologically evil, we're kinda like the Crossed except more gaudy
>>2811394trvke but you're still too cowardly to do what you preach so you're still cringe felix
>>2811386The yanks are lying about dimitrov. You cede ground by believing their lies. Read dimitrov report. Comintern say this.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1935/08_02.htm#s10It is perfectly obvious that the interests of the American proletariat demand that all its forces dissociate themselves from the capitalist parties without delay. It must find in good time ways and suitable forms to prevent fascism from winning over the wide mass of discontented working people. And here it must be said that under American conditions the creation of a mass party of the working people, a Workers' and Farmers' Party, might serve as such a suitable form. Such a party would be a specific form of the mass People's Front in America and should be put in opposition to the parties of the trusts and the banks, and likewise to growing fascism. Such a party, of course, will be neither Socialist nor Communist. But it must be an anti-fascist party and must not be an anti-Communist party. The program of this party must be directed against the banks, trusts and monopolies, against the principal enemies of the people, who are gambling on the woes of the latter. Such a party will justify its name only if it defends the urgent demands of the working class; only if it fights for genuine social legislation, for unemployment insurance; only if it fights for land for the white and Black sharecroppers and for their liberation from debt burdens; only if it tries to secure the cancellation of the farmers' indebtedness; only if it fights for an equal status for Negroes; only if it defends the demands of the war veterans and the interests of members of the liberal professions, small businessmen and artisans. And so on.
It goes without saying that such a party will fight for the election of its own candidates to local government, to the state legislatures, to the House of Representatives and the Senate.
Our comrades in the United States acted rightly in taking the initiative in the setting up of such a party. But they still have to take effective measures in order to make the creation of such a party the cause of the masses themselves. The questions of forming a Workers' and Farmers' Party, and its program should be discussed at mass meetings of the people. We should develop the most widespread movement for the creation of such a party, and take the lead in it. In no case must the initiative of organizing the party be allowed to pass to elements desirous of utilizing the discontent of the millions who have become disillusioned in both the bourgeois parties, Democratic and Republican, in order to create a "third party" in the United States as an anti-Communist party, a party directed against the revolutionary movement.
>>2811394That’s voluntarism and adventurism and it doesn’t work and it doesn’t generate a crisis because the financialized casino economy we have isn’t connected to real life production or logistics, you’d have to blow up the dutch tulips or directly bomb wall street which would still be ineffective because they could all love to Shanghai and London
>>2811398He tried and failed to yell at a bunch of DSA members last month, that's like basically the October Revolution
>>2811396Those jews ARE US, israeli lebensraum is just the new manifest destiny, we do primitive accumulation somewhere else to alleviate class struggle here
>>2811403>we do primitive accumulation somewhere else to alleviate class struggle hereyeah but its actually making things worse here. there's no alleviating. americans aren't receiving treats from israel's wars. you're just making excuses for the fact the american government serves israel's interests even at the expense of destabilizing itself.
I mean, I guess as communists the war and resulting economic crisis is great for us, but it's obvious the porkies didn't really think this through under the logic of "delivering treats to the plebs" and are just thinking purely on satisfying israel's whims.
>>2811400Wrong.
This policy was successfully utilized in South Africa to destroy the Apartheid regime.
>>2811400The real economy which sustains the American proletariat is not financialized, the financial sector only really benefits the bourgeoisie.
>>2811406No western Anti Apartheid activism made any difference, South Africa had to get beaten in Angola which only Cuba helped if you want to consider them western. The “real economy” does not exist and no one’s wages or standards of living are tied to it, when the financial bubble bursts even the homeless are screwed, no one will buy or have cans for them to recycle
>>2811404Israel is the tip of the American spear and nothing in America works if zionism breaks down, do you want Israeli “refugees” here taking up houses and taking jobs and being your neighbors? I don’t, that’s why they NEED to win this war at all costs
>>2811406They had parallel infrastructure to support that policy (a party, organizations, paramilitary), it wasn't just random bullshit go. Accelerationism doesn't work; it leads to fascism, not socialism. Especially if you don't have the institutions and support to back it up.
>>2811400>the financialized casino economy we have isn’t connected to real life production or logisticsexcept it's always connected because there's only so many layers you can abstract away economic losses in investment reports and balance sheets before they start materializing in the real world. you can pretend AI isn't a bubble by shuffling the money around but when there's no longer physical product reaching the ports to explain these fake transactions shit will hit the fan real quick.
>>2811411Just blame it on Muslims and LGBT types doing sabotage, boom, done
>>2811407Wrong.
South Africa faced an untenable situation at home because the SACP correctly rejected pure reconstruction theory and initiated armed struggle and sabotage against the apartheid regime.
ALL American "Communist" organizations operate on pure reconstruction theory, the idea is that they cannot and should not act until they have magically built the structures necessary to support a higher stage of militancy.
This is incorrect. The actions of the Communist party are in and of themselves one of the strongest recruitment tools possible. No one will join any contemporary Communist parties because they see, correctly, that the Communist parties offer no concrete strategy to destroy the US Government, which is the primary enemy.
>>2811410No "Communist" party in America is even attempting to build the covert infrastructure necessary to wage a serious campaign against the US Government. This is an error. The primary goal of a Communist party is, was and should always be to organize an army which is capable of waging an active, military struggle against the US Government.
DNCPUSA is explicitly legalist, their goal is not to destroy the US Government, but to sustain it and purge it of it's most self-destructive elements so it can continue to rule (and oppress the world), thereby building a more efficient machine of global exploitation for the infinitesimal benefit of the American Volk.
>>2811404The only reason porkies give out treats is under the threat of class struggle. Not once in history was imperialism done for the benefit of prols.
>>2811415But why would they join a communist party that does that stuff when you yourself said that the vast majority of Americans are "willing and eager collaborators"? If that were true then at the first sign of a militant communist party they would immediately shoot it up because it would threaten their treat supply or whatever.
>>2811415Destroying the American government is directly against the immediate material interests of America’s proletariat
>>2811420>Destroying the American government is directly against the immediate material interests of America’s proletariatHow? What would the American proletariat lose by replacing their current government with a Communist one?
>>2811422The loss of the current government doesn’t guarantee its immediate replacement, the civil war will go on for years even if you had a communist officer’s coup. There are still thousands of proletarians working civil service jobs and as mailmen, the loss of the government means they’re thrown out into the labor market to depress everyone’s wages
>>2811422>>2811426And this isn’t mentioning all the families of American proles depending on Medicare, Medicaid, and social security, as long as these programs exist and tens of thousands of proles work in DMV, USPS, and others destroying the government is cutting off your nose to spite your face
>>2811426you dont have to pay rent during a civil war tho. just shoot your landlord and call him a MAGA. american proles actually have a lot to gain here.
>>2811429>And this isn’t mentioning all the families of American proles depending on Medicare, Medicaid, and social securitydo you think doctors will stop working and treating patients just because the fake health insurance system stops existing?
>>2811431Yes, doctors in the US are literally health kulaks and they’re the biggest lobbyists keeping us from having any sort of medicare for all let alone an American NHS
>>2811430Or your landlord can hire goons or get his family to shoot you for “squatting” on his land like is done in the Philippines
>sakaioid ceases to understand the difference between immediate and long term interests because he needs a reason to keep telling himself everyone is a treatler except him
>>2811437Because immediate interests literally always come first in a western context
>>2811426>>2811429Civil service “workers” are not proles but either pmc or petite bourgeoisie outright, either way they are collaborators who should be liquidated. If you have luxury healthcare programs like Medicare that means you have reserves, so again not proletariat
>>2811445So now you’re in the trap of expecting proletarian revolution out of an entirely lumpen and bourgeois society.
>>2811436So I just join the red guards and get my comrades to help liberate my old apartment complex in a beautiful display of antisemitism.
>>2811434doctors and nurses associations overwhelmingly endorsed Bernie's M4A plan iirc. it was pharma companies and health insurance companies that lobbied against healthcare reform.
>>2811445>luxury healthcare programs >MedicareI hope you're joking because there's no way you're this retarded
>>2811445What’s the real difference between a bank teller at a private bank (who is a prole) and the guy at the DMV?
>>2811451he doesn't know or care. he exists to make you type
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>>2811456>>2811429>>2811418Because when the Communists engineer an accelerationist crisis the state will openly turn it's machinery of genocide against the American people, which will turn them against it in droves. See: ICE raids under Noem. Two Americans were shot and it caused such massive discontent that it caused the administration to blink.
Imagine what would happen if 200 Americans were shot. Or 2000. Or if the government started drone striking apartments like the Zionists do.
The people would turn against them in droves. This is, in fact, the ONLY way to wake up the American people. The government sheds blood in their name constantly, they all know it and none of them care because it is not their blood.
Only when THEY personally bleed will they care.
>>2811426>>2811429Good, if all these people suffer they will be radicalized and brought into politics by force. As Lenin CLEARLY stated, there cannot be a revolution until there is a crisis which effects both the bourgeoisie and the proletariat and draws the masses into politics.
Our job, as Communists, is to engineer that crisis. No one else can or will do it for us.
>>2811459If the proles find out you manufactured the crisis and not the government they’ll turn on you
>>2811462this, in fact it would be a rally around the flag moment. trump would go on TV, show iron felix's face, be like "THIS COMMIE BENEDICT ARNOLD HAS BEEN DESTROYING OUR BEAUTIFUL REICH" and his approval ratings would triple, just like bush after 9/11
>>2811459better repost it in the new htread
>>2811386>the vast majority of Americans are willing and enthusiastic collaborators. he said the line!
>>2811462>>2811464Thirding this, there's a reason why "accelerationism" is almost purely a neo-nazi thing, and you know why that is? It's because by adopting accelerationism as a strategy you are tacitly admitting that nobody sane would support your political faction under the present circumstances, and the only way you can ever take power is by deliberately making everything worse for everyone until you can brutalize people into following you out of fear and for basic necessities.
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