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Balkanization of Russia status?
>>2820756What's stopping a larger drone from just hovering outside the range of that sentry and dropping a grenade on it?
Inter-ziolib thread
>>2820819Russia needs to support Israel because like Putin once said, Israel is a Russian-speaking country with lots of Russians living there so they have to take their interests into account.
>>2820818Them not seeing it. Having many such things overlap each other. It being almost as expendable as an fpv. It being more of a countermeasure against long-range drones and not an frontline fpv shield
>first for Putin is a cuck
And anons say I’m obsessed lmao
>betrays the USSR
>betrays the SMO
why is cucktin such a traitor?
>>2821095Ukraine is denying it, saying they don't attack civilians.
<"The General Staff stated that they struck the headquarters of the Russian "Rubikon" unit in Starobilsk; Russian media reports of a strike on a dormitory are manipulation"https://unn.ua/en/news/the-general-staff-stated-that-they-struck-the-headquarters-of-the-russian-rubikon-unit-in-starobilsk-russian-media-reports-of-a-strike-on-a-dormitory-are-manipulationRussia has invited press to Starobilsk. According to Zakharova, BBC and CNN declined the invitation. There are also videos of young girls being pulled out of the rubble. Rubikon commanders, no doubt.
so after all those year of russia bombing ukraine indiscriminately ukraine responds with the same and even uses the same bullshit >we don't target civilians excuse? fucking based, let's see how this works out
on second thought it's a shame they're bombing luganda they should be taking the war to full blooded russsians in volga basin
>>2821095>>2821096and what is the cuck going to do? nothing. They will keep their industry running, they will keep their power plants running and there will be no attack to urop despite them funding them and sustaining them.
>>2820818The range of this thing is up to 2km. No larger drones would be able to get high enough without getting spotted by RADAR and hit by a longer-range system. Smaller drones can't carry a payload that high.
>>2821095Sweden dismissed it, saying they're not ashamed of assisting Ukraine in spite of this.
>>2821186>cucktin cucktin cucktinFind new material. You're fucking boring, not to mention daft. It isn't about Russia's reaction, cause Russia will continue its attritional warfare. It is about West's reaction. e.g.
>>2821230>Sweden dismissed it, saying they're not ashamed of assisting Ukraine in spite of this.Ukraine
wants Russia to react, to make a mistake. Russia is literally grinding through Ukraine's men and Western equipment. Why should they change tactics?
<"Cucktin needs to stop winning and do what I want him to (lose)!" >>2821301>Russia is literally grinding through Ukraine's men and Western equipmentYawn 🥱😮💨, yes we know, Ukraine is about to collapse scraping the barrel. Find new material
>>2821327who are you quoting?
Before we all get overexcited by the Oreshnik strike although who am I kidding? Cucktin posters all leave for Reddit to cry about Ukraine’s genocide after these strikes, it wasn’t quite Kiev but nearby Bila Tserkva.
>>2821395>2023 footage from Bakhmut or whatevernice try holhol
>>2821368A loose usage of "third world"
>>2821385Cucktin would never do that.
And if he did it was unintentional and due to Ukrainian electronic warfare/jamming.
And if it wasn't…then it was some brave lower ranking patriot who took the initiative…
And if it wasn't…then it was a Ukrainian false flag/media psyop that didn't actually happen…
And if it wasn't…then they deserved worse.
>>2821337>Kiev only has 22-25m peopleI really have no idea how the maths with work out for Ukraine. Most of those remaining are and will be retirees living on astronomically small pensions and military invalids. Birthrates were already in the gutter. Can they even pull enough immigrants to keep the society standing. I suspect many small towns and villages even if not directly touched by war will seize to exists.
>>2821414Well to be honest Ukraine has used this conflict to clean up their demographics, they went directly to volkssturm-tier recruitment specifically to remove soon-to-be retirees and anyone with a memory of Russia-Ukraine relations pre-1991 (or even pre-2010s really) that might not fully buy into Ukrainian ultranationalism.
Meanwhile, Kiev is extremely reluctant to mobilise its 18-25yos because they’ve got the “correct” education about Ukraine’s identity and decades of labour in them. Initially they didn’t allow that demographic to leave the country over fears they’d just never return, but as soon as NATO started demanding Kiev mobilise them (as is the convention in war, having the youngest and healthiest military possible) all of a sudden it gets announced that demographic are allowed to leave Ukraine after all.
Now that generation are stuck in flux, because EU states are starting to complain that “fighting aged” males are not returning to fight of their own volition and will start deporting them, but Kiev wants them to stay safely in the EU while demanding more gamechanging givas to win the conflict with.
Based on what not-grillpill says, that demographic who haven’t been able to flee the country seemingly have some excuses for why their mobilisation will never come, mainly
>Ukraine is fighting over irrelevant shitholes, not worth them dying over>It’s a drone war, the only fighting Ukrainians need to do is by operating drones and there’s enough drone operators already>The business of dying is something Ukraine can pay Latin American mercenaries to dobut of course, that all depends on Ukraine having perpetually having the last word on all decisions, which is unlikely since it’s the EU that is keeping them on economic life support.
>>2821414>Can they even pull enough immigrants to keep the society standing. They're gonna try. The neo-nazis are protesting against it on Maidan square. Western media isn't covering that Maidan event though.
>I suspect many small towns and villages even if not directly touched by war will seize to exists.
This is also likely true, but from the perspective of porky this is fine because that’s basically expected from de-communisation anyway, historically it results in populations becoming far more concentrated in the capital city and maybe a couple other larger cities if they exist.
So 22 million is small for a country the (slowly shrinking) size of Ukraine, but it’s plenty for Kiev and Lvov.
>>2821423They’ll be brought to heel, like anti-immigration movements elsewhere you can make a point of how the immigrants will do all the hard labour and shit jobs no one wants while true Galicians will be in said major cities making bank on computers.
WE ARE VLADIMIR WE CAAARRY THE DRONES
they should have waited till the war ended to flood the country with immigrants, to do it during a war just gives credence to the idea that all white boys are being shifted off to die just to be replaced by migrants. its basically true, but during a war its just demoralization
>>2821424Ukraine would basically lose it's agriculture output if it's countryside dies. Ukraine isn't wealthy enough not mechanize itself out of of a hole especially not after the war. Europe nor the US will not pay for it. What is the profit making Machine in Ukraine after the war anyway. How i see it Ukraine is getting the worst in both worlds, both shitty aging demographics and high cost of living of a western country and low income, low capital concentrations and general societal precarity of some third world country.
It's also not just economic issue. It's a security issue for Ukraine. If you have large swathes of land and empty towns it's just a matter of Russians walking in and setting up shop.
I actually see that the saving grace for Ukraine's salvation is either Russian takeover or collapse of both US dollar and euro that would wipe out their debts.
>>2821449Ukraine will probably import millions of foreign workers to maintain it's agriculture regardless of their victory/loss
>>2821449>>2821455They’re already calling everything Russia captures in Donbass tiny irrelevant shitholes, they’ll probably accept lots of tiny irrelevant shitholes being majority migrants because all chuds care about is that their laws promising “le liberty for all” doesn’t apply to migrants.
If you pitch it to them migrants are here to do hard work for low pay with no access to social services and after decades of service are entitled to nish and must retire elsewhere, then they’ll gladly import millions because they’re all for slavery.
ladies and gentlemen it is 24nd of may 2026 and we have finally reached the bargaining stage of denial
>>2821455What country would be the source so that Ukraine of all places would provide an desirable place to go to? Also immigrant labour won't help you that much with cereal grains and seedoils. Those are what Ukraine specialized in. Those pretty much need mechanization to be competitive in
>>2821464If only there were tens of countries with combined population in the billions that were on the verge of starvation and general economic collapse due to a lack of fertilizer and fuel… oh wait
>>2821466I expect most of the third world to have better future prospects than Ukraine and most of Europe tbh. Also it isn't the starving and the worst off who emigrate, it's the young educated who leave.
>>2821470>I expect most of the third world to have better future prospects than Ukraine and most of Europe tbhwhy?
>>2820834things are getting bleak anon, i am starting to unironically believe I will live to see the extinction of our species
>>2821424>>2821423very amusing how nationalists will so readily and enthusiastically commit national suicide
>>2821385>Industry still stands>Electricity still stands>European funders still got zero pain<Look we hit some babies in their apartments Really makes you think
>>2821491Those babies were nazis.
>>2821491>>2821494That would be your favorite democratic country who brags about that:
>>2820893 I don't think some of you realize how even the worst shitholes in Europe is miles ahead of even "decent" places in most of the world.
Some random appartment block in Tiraspol is heaven compared to Lagos cyberpunk-coded slums.
>>2821499I just wish these people would accept that’s openly what pro-Ukrainians talk about, rather than constantly trying to project it on Russia. Like for all of /ukr/‘s existence, at least half of it is anons “neutral” towards Ukraine trying to pretend to themselves the Neo-Nazism, the occultism, the genocidal rhetoric towards children, the excuses and demands for committing war crimes, etc are equally represented on the Russian side.
They should just embrace it and be open to the fact they’d rather be neutral towards the Nazi saluting, cannibal larping, child targeting, Zionist pandering cancer that is the modern Ukrainian state than
appear to be soft on Russia.
>>2821525>Like for all of /ukr/‘s existence, at least half of it is anons “neutral” towards Ukraine trying to pretend to themselves the Neo-Nazism, the occultism, the genocidal rhetoric towards children, the excuses and demands for committing war crimes, etc are equally represented on the Russian side.It is though.
But for that matter i think it's good that the conflict have been used to send Ukrainian neonazi, Russian orthodoggs and neonazi "foreign division" to the slaughterhouse. The latter in particular is a great thing for us westerners, you have no idea how many far-right radicals from France/UK/Germany fucking died in the dondass already.
Putler is still in the wrong but he a Lion 🦁
>>2821528It’s not though, the vast majority of Russian discourse is dry reporting on numbers and lines on maps with the most dramatic posters being doomers or seizing their new platform to just generally rip on social liberalism in the West.
>>2821528>you have no idea how many far-right radicals from France/UK/Germany fucking died in the dondass alreadyThey all fucked off the second they realised Russians have air support and they don’t.
>>2821541they're still there, on either side, and i hope more of them are funneled into the mines
>>2821544Apologies, thought it was a reply to the other post.
If they’re there in Ukraine, then it’s only in the capacity of social media influencers who request their own givas from their followers
I think it’s also worth pointing out that when Banderites and their supporters cry about genocide, it’s essentially Russia not recognising Ukrainians as being a different nationality, being considered “Russian” in the same way that Russia’s many ethnicities are Russian nationals.
Ukraine therefore has the incentive to pursue genocidal rhetoric and atrocity porn, because if nothing else that’s likely to drive a wedge between the two populations even if a language and culture manufactured in modernity cannot.
>>2821578
No, when banderites cry about genocide, it's a list of made up grievances with which Ukrainian nationalists try to prove that Ukrainian nation is a very important category. Seems like nation-building requires your nation to be a victim - like Israelis, or like Germans before them. Spaniards have something similar, too, and British think that their Empire was a charity everyone exploited; Americans, quite obviously, think that they are the ones being taken advantage of in every world event
>>2821609That’s true but the conflict is that Moscow seemingly wants to pull Ukraine closer while
Kiev Lvov is pushing Russia away. Banderites can succeed at their goal by committing terrorist attacks to put Russians off of their “brotherly nation” in the same way shitting yourself in public is a good way of getting rid of a clingy partner.
>>2821609>Seems like nation-building requires your nation to be a victim - like Israelis, or like Germans before them."Look what you savages made us do."
>>2821648Wow, what an unexpected result.
>>2821648>Nearly half of the respondents said they didn’t know enough to have an opinionThat’s probably the bigger scandal there, rather than trying to portray the “don’t know” option as conscious neutrality.
>>2821648Kill Vlasovites. Behead Vlasovites. Roundhouse kick a Vlasovite into the concrete. Slam dunk a Vlasovite into the trashcan. Crucify filthy Vlasovites. Defecate in a Vlasovite's mouth. Launch Vlasovites into the Sun. Stir fry Vlasovites in a wok. Toss Vlasovites into active volcanoes. Urinate on Vlasovite food. Judo throw Vlasovites into a wood chipper. Twist Vlasovite heads off. Karate chop Vlasovites in half. Curb stomp Vlasovites. Trap Vlasovites in quicksand. Liquefy Vlasovites in a vat of acid. Eat Vlasovites. Dissect Vlasovites. Exterminate Vlasovites in the gas chamber. Stomp Vlasovite skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate Vlasovites in the oven. Lobotomize Vlasovites. Stuff Vlasovite heads in the garbage disposal. Drown Vlasovites in fried chicken grease. Kick old Vlasovites down the stairs.
>>2821525To be fair to them (not like they deserve it), they were never interested in having an honest conversation anyway.
>>2821648>fascist propaganda is effectiveDamn bro that's crazy I never knew that, first time I'm hearing that water is wet.
>>2821799Reportedly, the target in Bila Tserkva was an airfield. Some say that's where Ukraine keeps their F-16s. I think Ukraine keeps their F-16s in Poland, though.
>>2821528>It is thoughlol no. I mean, if all you read is Wikipedia and Western news I don't blame you for thinking that though.
If The Cuck was actually serious he would have done decapitation strikes on the Ukrainian leadership AND MOST IMPORTANTLY their financial backers years ago.
He is not, so he won't.
>>2821892This. As long as Zelensky and every Ukrainian MP is still breathing, it's proof that Cucktin has not even begun to start taking the gloves off.
To be fair, I agree. These are all standard military targets that ought to be targeted anyway, so how is it retaliatory?
>>2821976Notice how none of these people are afraid of being attacked by Russian drones and missiles. That is because they know a Cuck is in charge of Russia.
>>2821958It is retaliatory in the sense that Kiev has been largely untouched compared to some other places. A lot of that has to do with there being lots of layered AD in and around Kiev. When Russia wants to hit Kiev they send a couple missiles and hundreds of drones. They targeted power stations and such with drones.
This time they launched 100 missiles at Kiev. Iskanders, Zircons, Kinzhals, an Oreshnik. They deleted SBU headquarters, after not attacking "decision-making centres" during the war.
That oreshnik hit something deep. There was a video of a metro ceiling cracking from the shockwave. Any bunker underneath where the kinetic warheads hit has collapsed. Keep an eye out in Ukrainian news about military personnel getting into accidents and deaths due to illness.
>>2821990Sure I just don’t understand why the Russian state frames it as though that dormitory in Lugansk needed to be struck by Ukraine for attacking decision making centres to be put on the table.
Like I can
try to understand the sense in avoiding attacking such decision making centres, but if they’re going to change their minds on that then why not before a terrorist attack rather than after?
>>2822036I would ask if that's the most recent NAFO cope being passed around on Twitter, but you post the same thing daily (and now hourly) so can't say it's changed at all lol.
>>2822036Something we now have in common with Americans, heh?
>>2822036Also, Bandera museums deserve to be bombed
>>2822162Amazing if true. Now imagine if Cucktin was doing these strikes every single day in every single city starting from 2022. The war would have been over in a month max. Sadly after this "show of force" Cucktin will again relax and this war will continue to drag on for another decade.
>>2822165not all nazis live in kyiyivyivyiv.
>>2822172Hence why I said
>every city >>2822166Bombing fascists and imperialists is good, though
>>2822272Technically and immanently correct.
>>2822320this needs a third axis for iran
>>2822272They're both terrorists and that's fine. There is nothing wrong with terrorism
>>2822351right should be "doesn't care about capitalism if there's a red flag"
>>2822320>>2822351I like how red liberal aren't even hiding their obsession with liberal pseudoscience anymore lole
>>2822567Russia did, in fact, withdraw it's invasion. Then Ukraine continued the war instead of trying to solve the issues peacefully, with the backing of Westoids.
>>2822570Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and has only escalated their invasion from then on. Ukraine's military only entered and attacked Russian territory long after Russia had invaded Ukraine. The aggressor of this conflict is the fascist imperialist regime in Moscow.
>>2822573This has to be a troll.
>>2822585Russia's initial invasion of Ukraine was in Crimea, right?
>The annexation of Crimea was the smoothest invasion of modern times>The takeover has involved a diverse array of pro-Russia forces, from Russian troops to pro-Putin bikershttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26644082I think Russia sent some of their own troops into the Donbas around the same time. You said "Russia did, in fact, withdraw it's invasion". When did Russia withdraw their invasion of Crimea? I don't think they have given up control of Crimea since they invaded it in 2014.
>>2822588>source: BBC0/10 apply yourself
>>2822590The BBC has a record of being factual. Are you denying that Russia sent their troops into Crimea in 2014? Here's another source, and I'm sure there are many more:
>In late February, Russian troops seized the Crimean peninsula in a bloodless military takeover.https://www.reuters.com/article/world/timeline-political-crisis-in-ukraine-and-russias-occupation-of-crimea-idUSBREA270PO/ >>2822585Nah you are just retarded.
>>2822588>>2822591My point is that a BBC article, or a Reuters article for that matter, aren't going to give you the necessary context to fully understand the situation. Furthermore, they will frame it in a way that suits their narrative.
They refer to the Soviet Union as "Moscow" and say the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Soviets were invited by the Communist Party of Afghanistan.
>In modern times, Moscow has staged three major invasions: Hungary in November 1956 and Czechoslovakia in August 1968, when the Communist governments there began showing dangerously Western tendencies; and Afghanistan in December 1979, when the pro-Communist regime was on the point of collapse.And this is the source you trust to tell you what went on in Crimea? lmao
The BBC article is simply infuriating. They make it seem like Russia out of nowhere decided to invade Crimea. They do not mention what went on in Maidan or that neo-nazis removed Yanukovych. They end the article with:
>But there is absolutely no doubt what it was - a remarkable, quick and mostly bloodless coup d'etat.A coup d'etat? Really? What government did they coup in Crimea? The gall of the BBC writing that, while at the same time the Western-backed neo-nazis were doing an ACTUAL coup d'etat in Kiev.
Then you're here saying "BBC has a record of being factual". Go fuck yourself. I don't know what's worse, if you're trolling or you if you actually believe the shit you're saying. In any case, you're a fucking retard.
>>2822596>Soviets were invited by the Communist Party of Afghanistan.Poor Russians, always thanklessly trying to help but getting all the slack… :(
>>2822596>neo-nazis removed YanukovychUkraine's parliament voted to remove Yanukovych:
>Ukrainian MPs have voted to oust President Viktor Yanukovych and hold early presidential electionshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26304842Which of those MPs do you think were "neo-nazis"?
>Then you're here saying "BBC has a record of being factual".YES, they do. Sources like the BBC, CNN, Reuters, Associated Press, all have a record of being factual.
>>2822601>>2822600fuck off EU/NATO shill
>>2822603I'm a shill because I think that imperialist fascist invasions like Russia's invasion of Ukraine are bad? I'm a shill because I think people shouldn't be dying just to appease Putin's ego?
>>2822604You are the most obvious shill i can imagine. Kill yourself retard.
>>2822617oh so instead of being beaten and raped she was instead tortured psychologically, such kind prison guards!
>>2822617Your pic is not proof that abuse and rape has not happened to Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
>>2822618So you think imperialist invasions are good, and tens of thousands of people dying in a pointless meat grinder is amazing? What's wrong with you?
>>2822621he is an ossi after all, so he longs to see civilians get massacred for no real reason
>>2822619>Uyghur "witness" claims that the guards didn't beat or mistreat her in her first interview>Goes in for an interview with the BBC later<Suddenly her story changes to being tortured and gang raped by prison guards<Retarded Ukrainians think this means the BBC is telling the truthlol
And this isn't even the only incident I can spam hundreds of stories where the BBC was caught red-handed lying and fabricating shit. For example in this 2021 story about "Uyghur oppression" they took a picture from 2009 showcasing an event where the police were actually protecting Uyghurs from Chinese rioters.
>>2822621I think imperialist invasions are good when anti-communist NAFO shills like you who feed off my taxes end up in a gulag in the process.
>>2822621>muh uyghur psyopWtf I love Putin now.
>>2822627of course the ossi must immediately fantasize about random people being tortured and abused, such a people can only imagine brutality, no wonder they all vote for the modern day nazi party
The war is going so well for Russia that we 'd rather shitpost about BBC and yughurs…
>>2822624I'm sure many East Germans are very decent people.
>>2822625>>2822628The BBC are not the only outlet to have reported on the treatment of Uyghurs:
>United Nations' human rights experts voiced alarm on Thursday over alleged Chinese political re-education camps for Muslim Uighurs and they called for the immediate release of those detained on the "pretext of countering terrorism".https://www.reuters.com/article/world/un-calls-on-china-to-free-uighurs-from-alleged-re-education-camps-idUSKCN1LF1EP/Surely it is bad to mass detain people based on their ethnicity or religion. Whether the US does this, or China does this, or any other country. We should hold every country to the same standard, right?
>>2822627I just want to see peace and I don't want to see any country (US, Russia, China, or anyone else) taking over foreign territory with military force.
>>2822631If there are errors then they could be honest mistakes rather than deliberate lies. You're jumping to a conclusion.
>>2822632You are not random people, Koti. You are a Schreibtischtäter.
>>2822635>If there are errors then they could be honest mistakes rather than deliberate liesI'm doing you a favour and assume you're kinda naive so you're unable to see contradictions, logical fallacies and more than often plain lies that articles in western mainstream media such as BBC consist of. The people employed there are no reporters, they are "journalists" who apparently believe that all their readers are stupid cattle or they simply do only care about appealing to the CIA, MI6 and oligarchs who pay them to vent Stürmer type bullshit at us.
I recommend "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays and Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" if you really have no idea.
>>2822644>GazaI am no fan at all of what Israel has done to Gaza and Palestine in general. I think Israel should never have attacked civilians in Palestine. Israel should respect the internationally recognised borders, and Israel should recognise the state of Palestine. They should obviously stop Israeli settlers trying to colonise the West Bank.
I dislike the current governments of both Israel and China. They both seem to be pretty authoritarian and draconian. Although yes, Israel's current government has surely killed far more civilians in recent years, so on that measure, Israel's government is worse. That doesn't mean China's government is amazing though.
>>2822648no you fucking coward, show me where the 'genocide' happened, you don't actually dislike China, you've just huffed a bunch of bullshit about it and make false equivalence because you're an intellectual coward.
>>2822652try actually talking to a moderate uygha you'd quickly learn they support China because the people who got re-educated where the people running across the border during the gulf wars who then went on to suicide bomb uygha village elders for not wanting to secede from a government that provides them material benefits and stability.
>NAFOids successfully derailed the thread
>>2822654illia is such a moron.
>>2822620is this really it? is this is the apocalyptic droning of kiev i've been hearing about?
>>2822679you think they're going to reveal military targets or what?
>>2822682there's no military targets in cities, it's all a farce. if you don't get it at this point you never will
is nafo really saying that Yanukovich was ousted by the Rada? all honky dory, and shit?
LMAO
the only way the Rada could have ousted Yanukovich was if there was an investigation commission (there was none), a review by the Constitutional Supreme Court (there was none), and formal charges of treason or other crimes were presented (there was none).
In fact, the Rada argued on the basis that Yanukovich 'removed himself from fulfilling his constitutional duties' LMAOOOOOO and didn't even met the 338 votes in favor needed to approve the motion (it gathered 328 votes only, short by ten votes).
this is some serious level of historical revision, as insane as saying that ukraine doesn't have a serious nazi problem rooted in the military.
>>2822694consider:
* russian terror campaign is pathetic
*boasting about blowing up a mcdonalds is even more pathetic
>>2822694remember when they crying tears in October-December because Russia left them without lights across the borderlands?
>muh it's all a farce. >>2822635>ReutersRepeating the 1 million in camps lie that was already debunked years ago that was pushed by Americans and Al-Qaeda. Apparently you can interview 8 random people and conclude that a million people were thrown into camps from 8 random interviews.
All Western media lies. All Western media are staffed by liars. And those who believe them are the worst for continuing to perpetuate those lies.
>>2822697Russia isn't doing a terror campaign, that could actually work. Russia does stand-off attacks against random targets and then runs to see if Zelensky is ready to capitulate this time; rinse and repeat once a month or so. I actually think I'm done carrying water for Russia, I'm just anti-Ukrainian now.
That said I hope a holodomor museum is next
>>2822705Russia doesn't need to carry a terror campaign on the average ukrainian.
kiev's regime is good enough doing that.
>>2822705>stand-off attacks against random targetsrussia sprays and preys. you can only boast about mcdiddy's because the other hits were commieblocks and it's still not political (at least on here) to boast about war crimes
>commie
the chud once again losses his cover. he comes here to troll, malds enough to reveal his chinlet figure.
>preys
You're all arguing with a twitter obsessed brainlet
>first one gets personally offended by 'commie' in 'commieblock'
>the other by 'pray' in 'spray and pray'
third world was a mistake
>>2822705>I actually think I'm done carrying water for Russia, I'm just anti-Ukrainian nowFinally Ushanka anon has seen the light of Putin's constant cuckoldry and has thrown in with the side of reason and sanity. Nuke Kiev
NOW.
>>2822647I think BBC journalists are reporters. I like the BBC's Russia Editor, Steve Rosenberg. He is one of the few western journalists remaining in Russia. He asks difficult questions to Putin.
Surely journalistic freedom is good? Surely asking difficult questions to powerful leaders is good? I think that serves ordinary people and working people better. Otherwise we would only have authoritarian leaders to listen to. Do you think that's better? Should we take authoritarian leaders at their word and never question them?
>>2822652>>2822653I don't know whether China's treatment of Uyghurs amounts to "genocide".
>you don't actually dislike China, you've just huffed a bunch of bullshit about itI don't have anything against Chinese people. I hope to cooperate with Chinese people. I'm just not a big fan of the PRC government.
>try actually talking to a moderate uygha you'd quickly learn they support China because the people who got re-educated where the people running across the border during the gulf wars who then went on to suicide bomb uygha village eldersI just saw this from Amnesty International, saying that up to a million Uyghurs have been put in camps:
>hundreds of thousands who have been sent to prisons in addition to hundreds of thousands – perhaps even a million or more – who have been sent to internment campshttps://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/06/china-draconian-repression-of-muslims-in-xinjiang-amounts-to-crimes-against-humanity/Are you saying all of those million people are suicide bombers? Also do you think it would be justified if the US put all of its Muslim population into re-education camps without due process? We shouldn't detain people based on religion. Of course suicide bombing is something that should be tackled. But that doesn't mean we should scapegoat all Muslims.
>>2822692Look at this:
>The vote to "remove Viktor Yanukovych from the post of president of Ukraine" was passed by 328 MPs.>Such ballots, passed by what is called constitutional majority, are binding and enter into force with immediate effecthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26304842Also, even if you disagree with the process, that doesn't justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine. For example, if a country dislikes the fact that the FSB poisoned Alexei Navalny (thus interfering with Russian "democracy"), would that country be justified to invade Russia and overthrow its government?
One country might feel another country hasn't respected their own laws. Okay. That doesn't justify the first country invading the second country.
>>2822762>accepts the fucking british media as a trustworthy source of truth.Article 111 of the Ukrainian constitution:
>The decision to remove the President of Ukraine from office by impeachment shall be made by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by no less than three-fourths of its constitutional composition after the Constitutional Court of Ukraine has reviewed the case and received its opinion on compliance with the constitutional procedure for investigating and considering the impeachment case and after receiving the opinion of the Supreme Court that the acts of which the President of Ukraine is accused contain elements of high treason or another crime.https://constitution.in.ua/articles/111/The Rada must have always 450 deputies (minus 4 because they were removed, sanctioned, under investigation etc., and EVEN FUCKING SO, MATHS AIN'T MATHING)
3/4 of 450 is 338, no 328. Even if you take into account 446,
THAT'S ONLY 335 VOTES.
See? that happens when come here without knowing shit.
gtfo, moron.
>>2822762>that doesn't justify Russia's invasion of Ukrainealso, thanks for moving the goalpost in one reply. dunce.
>>2822776>>2822777One country might feel another country hasn't respected their own laws. Okay. That doesn't justify the first country invading the second country.
A clear majority of MPs in the Rada voted to remove Yanukovych. I don't think you can call that a "coup", whether it was a vote that conformed with specific rules or not.
>>2822735>third world was a mistakeMore like your education was a mistake if you have trouble choosing the right vowel for a four letter word, lmao.
>>2822794>the US ambassador in ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt and Victoria Nuland, like mafia boss, were approving or disapproving what positions should be held by whoDid the Rada take any notice of those opinions?
>COUPThe only reason you're calling it a coup is because you're trying to justify Russia's fascist imperialist invasion of Ukraine. How Ukraine manages their elections and leaders is none of Russia's business.
oh wow, it's 2022 all over again. we are questioning if 2014 was a coup.
I guess these people also justified 'an invasion' in 2015:
>Miloš Zeman (Czech Republic): The former president of the Czech Republic was unequivocal in his assessment. In January 2015, he stated that he did not believe the February coup was a democratic revolution, saying, "Maidan was not a democratic revolution" and that the unrest resulted in "a coup that toppled Yanukovich"https://www.rt.com/news/219595-ukraine-prime-minister-war/amp/>Marcel de Graaff (Netherlands): A Dutch MEP, he also referenced the "February 2014 coup" when describing the political situation in Ukrainehttps://www.rt.com/news/584773-european-parliament-ukraine-roundtable/>Jean-Luc Schaffhauser (France): This French MEP stated in 2015 that a "state coup" occurred in Ukraine in February 2014 and that it was organized by US intelligence serviceshttps://glav.su/forum/threads/91219>Matteo Salvini (Italy): 2018, The Italian Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior has been very direct, labeling the event a "state coup" and referring to the subsequent government as a "pseudo-revolution, sponsored by foreign states"https://www.news2.ru/story/549825/comment2189385/5
>How Ukraine manages their elections and leaders is none of Russia's business.I agree. Based Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea for declaring sovereignty and self-determination over the nazi regime in kiev after Yanukovich was couped.
>>2822757>I don't know whether China's treatment of Uyghurs amounts to "genocide".Well I do, and it doesn't. Hit the subscribe button to hear more facts from the real world.
>>2822806>rt.comPropaganda outlet.
>Based Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea for declaring sovereignty and self-determination over the nazi regime in kiev after Yanukovich was coupedCrimea was invaded by Russian soldiers who took over the area by force. Luhansk and Donetsk were taken over by force by rebels who were armed and supported by Russia. They held "referendums" which do not appear to have been free or fair. Supporters of the Donbas remaining Ukrainian appear to have been intimidated by the armed pro-Russia rebels:
>After enduring hours of beatings at the hands of these pro-Russian insurgents, Mr Bida decided to flee the Ukrainian city of Luhansk.>“It’s not safe to be in Luhansk for those who oppose the pro-Russian activists,” he said. https://archive.is/Uyjxa >>2822826>They held "referendums" which do not appear to have been free or fair. Unlike the post-Maidan 2014 election, right? Where millions of voters were disenfranchised, because they said the citizens in occupied areas couldn't vote. Turnout in Luhansk was ~14% iirc. Meanwhile in Lviv and other western regions it was 70+%.
The COMPLETE LACK of partisan activity and any kind of insurgency in the occupied areas tells you all you need to know about what the people living there want. There is partisan and anti-TCC activity in Ukraine, though. Zelenskyy's approval rating is below 40%. Free and fair. I love democracy.
>>2821989100%.
Putin should just Tsar bomb Kiev and be done with it.
>>2822847You mean the civilians that Azov forced to stay in the city? Azovites used the "Russians" as literal human shields. Russia opened humanitarian corridors for civilians in Mariupol.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220404-russia-opens-humanitarian-corridor-for-civilians-in-mariupol-at-turkiyes-initiative/>pic>"deti"Where are the children though? Instead of writing "kids", they could have brought them out in front of the theatre. It took them some time to write that, they could have taken a photo of these supposed children.
There were civilians in Mariupol, and if you bothered to look, you could easily find their testimony about who abused them and who liberated them.
Ukrainians committed the killings in Bucha, too. But keep defending them, bro. I'm sure you won't regret it in 20 years.
Read this before watching the video.
>Zelensky has said that his great-grandfather and three of his grandfather’s brothers died as a result of the Nazi invasion of Ukrainian territory. His grandfather and his grandfather’s brothers took up arms against the Nazis in the Red Army; his grandfather was the only one to survive. He did not specify whether they died in combat or in the extended massacre of more than 1 million Ukrainian Jews that the Nazis carried out, often with local collaboration.https://www.timesofisrael.com/18-things-to-know-about-jewish-defender-of-ukrainian-democracy-volodymyr-zelensky/>Following the factional split, Melnyk continued to direct the OUN-M to collaborate with Nazi Germany during the German invasion of the Soviet Union on the Eastern Front. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Melnyk_(officer)>Video:<President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy took part in the reburial ceremony at the National Military Memorial Cemetery of Colonel of the Ukrainian People’s Republic Army and Head of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, Andriy Melnyk, and his wife Sofia Fedak-Melnyk.https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/prezident-uzyav-uchast-u-ceremoniyi-perepohovannya-andriya-m-104577Zelenskyy is beholden to the neo-nazis. If he doesn't do what they tell him, they'll just kill him. He's surrounded by Azov/Right Sector loyalists.
>>2822847You can label and paint anything. Doesn't make it true, especially when considering the fact that Ukranians are known to house military equipment and personnel in civilian locations all the time. Just like you labeling yourself as intelligent, yet we all can plainly see with our own eyes that's not the case. You actually have to be pretty retarded or very young to be this naive.
Come on Putin allow Oreshnik strike on Kyiv Dam, the downstream wave would end Ukraine in few days
>>2822914mmmm.. FAB500 and larger are expected?
>>2822914><“This was the last strawI'm out of the loop, what are they referencing here?
>>2822837>>2822841He was given the site with the constitutional article:
>>2822776 and he stretched things with a
>One country might feel another country hasn't respected their own laws.that's not a person decided to engage in good faith.
then the argument
>That doesn't justify the first country invading the second country.is glue to his assessment that Russia vibed ukrainian laws.
as if >
real< imperialist countries have ever cared what the internal laws of a country say when they do imperialism. for one. second ignoring that Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea all did referendums wanting autonomy first, then after 2022 total secession, and incorporation to Russia statehood [WAIT, he doesn't ignore it later on, he goes on and claim that
those aren't true freedums(Trademark pending by the US state department] electoral processes!his evidence?
vibes and feels.
the same vibes and feels he accuses others of doing.
amazing levels of cretinism, and pseudo-intellectuality.
>>2822914>Moscow has urged foreigners to leave*British and Butthurt-belt personnel can stay, they added
glove status?
>>2822914Absolutely nothing will happen, cucks talking big again and doing nothing
>>2822914They did this back in 2022 and th Americans got spooked and left but then nothing happened so let's wait to see whether Cucktin cucks out again (he will).
>>2823104Video has been posted here:
>>2822872 >For the Guardian’s comment section, Nathalie Tocci writes: “I was in Kyiv a few weeks ago, and am looking forward to returning next month. At no point since late 2022 have I sensed such grounded confidence.” Ukrainians do not believe the end of the war is imminent – “a bloody war of attrition, in which Russia has advanced at a snail’s pace. Yet Ukrainians also see that the snail is moving slower and slower, almost grinding to a halt. The cracks in the Russian economy are ever more visible. Ukrainians are acutely aware of the vast resources being poured into Russia’s war machine, but this merely boosts Ukrainians’ confidence in their ability to keep resisting.”https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/26/ukraine-war-briefing-russia-pressures-us-embassy-evacuate-attacks-kyivNothing in the article about the Starobilsk strike or Ukraine citing civilians, thoughbeit.
>>2823480Actually made me upset
>>2823482>Ukrainians are acutely aware of the vast resources being poured into Russia’s war machine, but this merely boosts Ukrainians’ confidence in their ability to keep resisting.”At this point the plan for Ukraine’s victory is just repeatedly claiming that Ukrainians have balls of steel while Russians are easily deterred.
Like this image is just the flip side of that article’s claim, Ukraine is supposedly a cottage industry hydra that Russia will never eliminate and should therefore just give up.
>>2823480>Anglos need to be rounded up and exterminated, root and stem.No argument from me, that was so cringe I already died.
>>2823515>Every level of Ukrainian society in engaged in some form of drone production in apartments, offices, warehouses, etc.And you called me crazy for wanting to nuke Kiev. It's because I KNEW this was what was happening and the only way to stop this dispersed production chain is to blow everything to pieces.
>>2823520I think Jay in Kyiv is probably massively over-estimating to what degree this is true. Strapping a grenade to an FPV drone is probably doable in a kitchen, but I don’t think Kiev is just handing out grenades to everyone and the drones themselves are produced in China.
What is true is the larger heavy(ish) lift drones and suicide drones get produced in civilian factories, warehouses and garages and those are difficult to find and verify. Jay is just making usual claim that Russia can only win by literally fighting to the last Ukrainian because
everyone is invested in fighting to the conflict to the death.
So as much as Jay wants to Ukraine to be a country only nukes can defeat, he’s just fantasising about a Ukraine with infinite resources to cope with the fact that drones really are the only card they have to play.
>>2823515Then they complain when Russia spots or catches wind of one of these little kawaii factories.
>>2823527Of course because although Ukraine is a hydra where every space is a potential drone factory, Russia just happens to miss all of them :^)
>>2823528Russians have terrible aim. Over 100 missiles launched at Kiev and only 2 deaths. Are they even trying?
>>2823533>Are they even trying?Do you even have to ask?
The only country that's even trying in this war is Ukraine. Everyone else is fucking around.
>>2823534The West destroying the validity of diplomacy and then getting locked into multiple years of brutal givas for their trouble is funny, but not as funny as trying to present lying about peace talks as “giving orders”.
>>2823534>The only country that's even trying in this war is Ukraine.They're trying hard to steal all of Europe's money.
>>2823559That's what the US are doing too!
>>2823475>>2822872it's so fucking insane. we got banderistan before gtavi
>>2823623…and people laugh at "meat wave" tactics. Look at them go! What a blocking brigade and couple thousand busified civilians can do.
Ukraine has to pull soldiers from other fronts to attempt such counteroffensives, though. if you want to know which fronts, just look at the places where Russia made gains at the same time.
You may wonder is it tiring to always know what's going to happen? The answer is yes, yes it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Starobilsk_strikeAll mentions of the drones being Ukrainian has been removed, despite Ukraine taking responsibility.
>drones struck a student dormitory and educational buildings in StarobilskIn a week or so Ukraine will say it was a Russian false flag and that's what Wikipedia will say. It's all so tiresome.
The West keeps divorcing itself from reality. That can't be good.
>>2823873
Cucktin can't even subdue holholstan there's no chance in hell Russia can win against the strongest military in Europe.
>>2823859>We need reliable sources confirming that it was Ukrainian drones and saying it was a war crime before adding thisI weep for Wikipedia, it was a really nice idea.
Why isn't the PLA fighting in Ukraine?
Staff at drone-hit Russian college added to Ukrainian ‘kill list’>The state-linked Mirotvorets database has targeted staff from the Starobelsk educational facility just days after a UAV strike on a dorm left 21 students dead<According to data from the website, the recent entries include seven women and three men, among them deputy directors and teachers at the college. The database accuses them of publicly supporting Russia, attempting to undermine Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and spreading propaganda among minors.https://swentr.site/russia/640586-starobelsk-workers-ukraine-kill-list/
>blow up school>blame survivors for making Ukraine look bad>put them on a public kill listI really can’t stand the daily juxtaposition between how comically evil Ukraine is and how far in the sand western libs will bury their heads to ignore that.
Like you couldn’t write that shit for satire, it’d be bizarre beyond compare before Banderites got power over the narrative.
>>2823859What's wrong with bombing Rubicon HQ? You nazis are so pathetic with your crocodile tears
>>2823920Current “truth” of the situation on Wikipedia is that Ukraine claims it was a rubicon HQ, but also denies the drones were theirs.
Da fuck’s that about?
>>2823931>Ukraine claims it was a rubicon HQ, but also denies the drones were theirs.This.
<"We didn't do it. And if we did, they deserved it." Straight out of the IDF playbook.
>>2823933>I spend all my time arguing about a foreign conflict because I’m bed ridden with cancerFucking posers, some of us do it while of sound mind, body and spirit.
>>2823891There are sources saying it, they just won't be included.
>A Ukrainian strike collapsed a five-storey college dormitory in the Russian-occupied city of Starobilsk, killing four people and injuring at least 39 others.https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2026/5/22/ukrainian-strike-on-dormitory-in-russian-occupied-starobilsk-kills-fourIt's not reasonable to expect that these glowies, liberals, NAFOids, and other Wikipedia editors are gonna just be like "oh, you're right! we'll include it". They'll perform mental gymnastics until they get their way.
>>2823917>how comically evil Ukraine is and how far in the sand western libs will bury their heads to ignore thatEU/NATO libs are fully aware and they not only approve of it, they encourage it.
>>2823942>>2823946Nah libs are even more annoying than NAFOids because when they say something to the affect of
>this attack can only be confirmed by either the BBC or CNN specifically and they need to confirm it was a war crime, anything else is hearsay and Russian propagandaThey’re thinking they’re being sensible and unbiased and that fucks me off way more than “killing Russian children is based, Slavi Banderi” ever could.
>>2823948Article is nominated for deletion on the Italian wikipedia.
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pagine_da_cancellare/Bombardamento_di_Starobilsk_(2026)>>2823948>Nah libs are even more annoying than NAFOids Venn diagram of liberals and NAFOids is a circle.
>>2823915Trade and military build up is more important.
>>2823915The People's Liberation Army is protecting Belarus from Russian imperialism.
>>2823954Ah not really, NAFOids and Zionists are genuinely fascists. Libs really do think that only accepting western MSM sources is fair, while NAFOids/Zionists openly just don’t care about fairness and are completely aware that they exist to just poison the well.
Senior MP reveals Russia’s strategy for strikes on Kiev>Secure underground bunkers used by Ukrainian military commanders and leadership are the top targets, Andrey Kartapolov has saidOh?
>Russia’s “patience has run out,” Kartapolov said, commenting on the tragedy. Kiev’s tactics have spiraled into “blatant terrorism against our civilians,” the head of the State Duma Defense Committee stated, adding that Moscow would now abandon its self-imposed commitment not to target Ukraine’s capital.Oh!
>When asked about potential targets, the lawmaker stated that neither the Verkhovnaya Rada building nor Zelensky’s office counts as a “decision-making center.” Ukrainian MPs do not control the troops, and Zelensky himself does not even visit his office any longer, the MP stated.Oh.
https://swentr.site/russia/640619-mp-russia-strategy-strikes-kiev/ >>2824024>Ukrainian MPs do not control the troops, and Zelensky himself does not even visit his office any longer, the MP stated.Oof.
>>2824015I can put it this way: Not all liberals are NAFOids and Zionists, but all NAFOids and Zionists are liberals.
>Libs really do think that only accepting western MSM sources is fairNah. They only say that because Western MSM sources have the same narrative. The moment an outlet says something that is at odds with the dominant narrative they are labeled pro-whatever enemy of the libs. It's not about sources, but about narratives. If a Russian source repeats the Western narrative, like the Moscow Times or Meduza, then they are suddenly reliable.
>>2824024Killing a country's leader or leadership does nothing to stop the war machine. Look at Iran. The US killed the ayatollah and a bunch of ministers, even gravely injured the next ayatollah. This did nothing to bring the war to an end.
Russia is right to target the military leadership, that's where all the Nazis are. Zelenskyy is a hostage of the Nazis, he isn't a Nazi himself.
>>2824024If this statement was made a month into the war it would have been interesting but it's blatantly obvious that the cuckoldry will never stop.
>>2824105Except Russia isn't targeting the leadership because they're allin underground bunkers apparently, and even if they weren't, Russia just handed them a safehouse by promising not to hit the Rada lol
>>2824105>he isn't a Nazi himself.yes he is. may not have started that way but he's long since bought into all their worst bs and is a willing and eager advocate
>>2824112>because they're allin underground bunkers apparentlywhat do you think the kinetic oreshnik strikes were for? just because Ukraine doesn't admit anything was hit doesn't mean that nothing was hit. They're going with the usual "Russia only targeted civilian buildings!"
>>2824130>is a willing and eager advocateYou would be too, if your wife and children were on the line.The moment Zelenskyy surrenders he's dead. If you think Ukraine is a "civilised" country where political assassinations don't happen, there's no coercion, bribes, and everyone does exactly what they want as an individual…then I have a bridge to sell you, it's in Ukraine.
An article from L'AntiDiplomatico (translated):
https://geopolitiq.substack.com/i/197004155/the-starobelsk-massacre-and-the-wests-silence-an-analysis-of-selective-censorshipL'AntiDiplomatico has been in the news recently, they're the ones who posted the image of the Israeli settler making that face at a Palestinian woman on the front page.
>>2823525>Strapping a grenade to an FPV drone is probably doable in a kitchen, but I don’t think Kiev is just handing out grenades to everyone and the drones themselves are produced in China.I think a lot of the drones are made in China but they also make their own, also a lot of 3D printing. Drone components, drone-dropped bomb casings. Also some drones themselves with some added parts bought on the market and made in domestic electronics shops. You can literally scale this with thousands of people producing this stuff around the clock in their own homes. Also you can fill warehouses with 3D printers and just crank this stuff out. (It's kind of fascinating as I've gotten into 3D printing in the past year.)
https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/ukraine-deploys-3d-printed-drones-to-combat-russian-shahed-swarms-242362/BTW it seems like Hezbollah drones are giving Israel a hard time in Lebanon. Lebanon has always been a trap for the IDF.
>>2824130>youre a nazi if you defend your country from a imperialist invasionIts all so tiresome.
>>2824396>Drone from China>3D printed casing>Explosives need careful handlingI think the problem with Jay’s assertion is that it makes more sense for thousands of drones and KGs of explosives and miles of filament to just be shipped to the workshop that has the 3D printer which can presumably also handle final assembly.
It just seems like a logistical problem to ship all these components to thousands of homes just for final assembly and then shipping them all back to the depot.
Jay’s actual motivations are likely whitewashing the fact that you often see civilian buildings and logistics as part of FPV drone production, which is clearly a war crime but if you frame it as though FPV drone production is a cottage industry with mass public engagement, then you avoid the accusation of a war crime in exchange for claiming basically no one is actually a civilian in Ukraine. Something only worth doing since Jay is no doubt completely confident that he can rescind this take and have it memory holed if Russia did start flattening entire cities.
>>2824392i'm not calling Russia nazis. I'm talking about the guy leading an ethno-supremacist movement that aspires to national purification through targeting internal enemies based on ethnicity/language/religion, that is wholly aligned with imperialism and seeks to support and participate in it at every opportunity, that worships nazis and nazi collaborators, and seems to have a lot of trouble taking a photograph of its cadres without swastikas and ss bling getting in frame.
Carrying water for nazis can be tiring. Maybe try stopping.
>>2824396Ukraine's current abundant drone stock is courtesy of EU & NATO, i.e. EU proles pay for all that shit via another round of cuts in all sectors except "defense". Libs can't wait to escalate further, a large faction of these evil morons actually believe Russia's nuclear deterrent is a bluff, however as of yet there are apparently still some halfway decent NATO strategists who prefer not to test it. UA citizens are supposed to not film and/or upload footage of war damage. Generally the war has become a drone war and it is kinda stalling right now because neither side does have a clear advantage in drone tech at the moment. This is in short what i got from some austrian mainstream "journalist" interviewing some clearly pro UA biased colonel.
>>2824392This war is not really a country defending against an invasion (well technically it is if you ignore everything prior 2022), it is NATO imperialism boiling the frog and that frog is supposed to be Putin/Russia.
>>2824462>austrian mainstream "journalist" interviewing some clearly pro UA biased colonel.Reisner? He is pro-Ukraine but he is as neutral as it gets when it comes to Western media, of course it helps that he's Austrian (not in NATO).
>stalling A little, Russians keep making slow gains in Konstantinovka, which is the last city before Slaviansk/Kramatorsk. It also seems that the Ukrainian counteroffensive in Dniprpetrovsk was a failure.
>>2824437Sometimes i forget the average gay guy doesnt look like a jacked instagram model sipping cocktails on a beach
>>2824437UKRAINE BUS THESE MEN TO THE FRONTLINE NOW
Didn’t not-grillpill say he was planning a trip to Odessa?
>>2824437>Yeh ders fookin sholdjurs o'er der yoor fochin weain dis shit. Pootin Hoolo!Based ukrainian homeless man wearing a KGB shirt telling this ugly british baboon what I can only assume is to go fuck himself
I will say that every Brit who’s publicly associated themselves with Ukraine looked tragically stereotypical, the white guy in the couple is someone I’ve seen at least 500 times in my life.
>>2824536Not burdened by spooks like hypocrisy, the one thing I'm willing to give them
>>2824536>Zarnitsa was a massive children's war game organized within the Young Pioneers organization. The game was an imitation of military actions (reconnaissance, battles, etc.)>The game was revived in modern Russia as "All-Russian military sports game Zarnitsa".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarnitsa_(game)As usual, a complete disinterest in questioning Kiev.
>IN A FIELD somewhere in Kyiv, a group of patriotic teenagers are practising military drills under the watch of army instructors. The youngest is 14.https://archive.md/f0u4VIf I remember my history right, the country with child soldiers usually wins, right?
>>2824536>>2824574Every Russian school is a valid military target, because every Russian school has Zarnitsa!
Imagine, if Russia was striking Ukrainian schools under this pretext, because Ukrainian schoolchildren are participating in burials of Ukrainains soldiers while singing nationalist anthems…
>>2824465Yes, Reissner. It was not the first time i've seen him, however he's far from neutral. He's definitely a pro-west unipolarist, mentioned "Kina" a couple times as well and parrots most of the usual liberal/neocon mainstream media narratives about the war. He seems to allow himself to present more sober views in terms of battlefield analysis, strategy and tactics than other westoid mainstream pundits though, which is refreshing. I can't listen to the Bundeswehr pundits, they tend to give me Stürmer type vibes compared to OSINT mappers, including pro UA mappers even.
Other than that Austria might formally be neutral, but in practice it's not really neutral with regards to NATO. Reissner himself is no doubt well connected with NATO staff.
>>2824698>Imagine, if Russia was striking Ukrainian schools under this pretext, because Ukrainian schoolchildren are participating in burials of Ukrainains soldiers while singing nationalist anthems…That's exactly what Russia should be doing. By blowing up every nationalist march the Russian military will teach every Ukrainian child that associating with nationalists is 100% guaranteed suicide and a retarded thing to do. But Cucktin allows Banderites to raise up the next generation of kids completely unmolested because apparently he wants to keep this war going for the next 100 years.
>>2824797>But Cucktin allows Banderites to raise up the next generation of kids completely unmolestedPhrasing?
>>2824810Unmolested does not have a sexual connotation it means left alone. Unfortunately all the zoomers had their brains rotted by porn and a once beautiful descriptive word is now presumed to be vulgar.
>>2824819Ah that’s the humour behind “phrasing?”, taking the worst interpretation
And after all you do have a reputation for desiring Cucktin to take the most extreme of actions
>>2824820>>2824821Champ I know Cucktin's lack of action (still waiting on the supposed Kiev Armageddon that was promised to us btw) has mindbroken you as you have to defend more and more ridiculous shit every year, but that's no excuse to pretend to not know what you were trying to imply with your post.
>>2824828It was all in good humour spurdo, not accusing you of anything lmao
>>2824416>It just seems like a logistical problem to ship all these components to thousands of homes just for final assembly and then shipping them all back to the depot.With 3D printing you can manufacture your own components. The main thing you'll probably need to ship are the electronic parts, cameras, and maybe propellers (but maybe not). But the electronic parts (circuit boards, ICs, etc.) are also produced en masse in China for a marketplace that exists on a global scale. I think you're underestimating how easy this is. It's not like a making a tank or cruise missile which needs a big factory.
There are some articles about it. Those apartment towers that were built during the Soviet days have basements, so a group of people take over the basement and turn it into a drone manufacturing workshop (this pic is apparently from one of them), and a single one can produce around 100 attack drones per month. You mainly need printers, filament, and then import the electronic components and weld those in with soldering irons. Now you have dozens of those hidden in just one city. Then you add larger manufacturers scattered around the country that produce thousands, or tens of thousands of attack drones per month, and it adds up. So altogether they have the capacity to manufacture millions of these things.
It also disperses production, so it's harder to locate and attack.
Was reading a book about the Vietnam War, a journalist named Harrison Salisbury was traveling through the North Vietnamese countryside during the war and noticed fuel barrel drums scattered in rice paddies across the countryside. His first reaction was, like, this doesn't look very well organized. But actually what the Vietnamese were doing was dispersing their fuel logistics. The U.S. would try to bomb depots but it wasn't especially effective, if you needed to refuel a truck, you just pulled over to the side of the road and walked out into a field to grab the nearest barrel.
>Jay’s actual motivations are likely whitewashing the fact that you often see civilian buildings and logistics as part of FPV drone production, which is clearly a war crime but if you frame it as though FPV drone production is a cottage industry with mass public engagement, then you avoid the accusation of a war crime in exchange for claiming basically no one is actually a civilian in Ukraine. I don't think that's a war crime? But Russia could plausibly argue that striking an apartment tower that is producing drones is a valid military target. I personally don't really care to prosecute the argument that much either way. Like the reality is that war is destructive, atrocities happen, and civilians die, and there's no way to really take a defended city without destroying much of the city anyways, because the defenders use buildings for cover and then move from building to building as they are targeted, so the besieging army is just going to systematically pulverize much of the area. When it comes to the point where actual enemy troops on the ground are threatening to take a city, the civilians just have to flee for their lives otherwise they stand a high likelihood of dying in the fighting.
This is also why the U.S. can't do much about Iranian missiles and drones either. Like the U.S. said "we've destroyed 80% of their missiles." It's probably a lie. Also there's no way the U.S. can concievably stop Iranian production of Shahed drones, and those are bigger than FPVs which can be made in a closet and deployed at the tactical level.
>>2824845No I do think it’s very easy to do, hence why I don’t see the benefit of shipping out all the components and materials just for printing/assembly when a small team of people in a workshop can probably assemble as many drones in a day as 3D printers can produce the components for.
But even if fully 3D printed FPV drones are a thing, they won’t make up the bulk of FPV drones produced because 3D printers aren’t a tool for mass production, their niche is being compact and versatile rather than providing the kind of throughput you’d need to produce thousands of drones a day.
Also, FPV drones tend to have essentially rocket launcher grenades strapped to them because they’re dual purpose against armour and soft targets, you wouldn’t be able to 3D print a HEAT shell.
>I don't think that's a war crimeIt is. These aren’t makeshift workshops improvised on the battlefield or hidden in a barn far from built up areas. It has been documented from day one that Ukraine places military targets within civilian buildings and areas and doesn’t evacuate the civilians themselves, what follows is repeated claims by Ukraine is that Russia targets civilians.
To your point that the concept of war crimes is farcical, yes to a degree, but Jay and other sideliners are succeeding in getting you to say
>When it comes to the point where actual enemy troops on the ground are threatening to take a city, the civilians just have to flee for their lives otherwise they stand a high likelihood of dying in the fighting.Like that’s not Kiev’s fault if loads of civilians die while Russia is targeting workshops, garrisons or weapons storage that Kiev essentially set up in their homes. Absolutely it’s pointless complaining to the enemy about war crimes, but Ukrainians should at the very least expect to not be made to be human shields.
>>2824889I don't really understand the point behind it tbh, it's not like public opinion of Ukraine is going to go up if they send civilians in the mine fields, (because it's already positive from anyone that matters) they're just killing people. Are they trying to summon a balor or something
>>2824896My current theory is that the Banderites’ response to Putin’s history lesson explaining why Ukraine is a made up nationality and Ukrainian language and culture failing to fully displace Russian equivalents is to ensure, firstly, that a conflict breaks out between the two countries, but more importantly that this conflict involves so many atrocities that the conflict is the factor that decouples Ukraine and Russia as two distinct nationalities defined by their hatred for one another.
So Ukraine boastfully commits atrocities with fecking bells and SS patches on, while attempting to force Russia’s hand to likewise commit atrocities if they want to fight in any real sense.
>>2824889>No I do think it’s very easy to do, hence why I don’t see the benefit of shipping out all the components and materials just for printing/assembly when a small team of people in a workshop can probably assemble as many drones in a day as 3D printers can produce the components for.From what I've read (and extrapolating a bit from what I know about 3D printing), the workshops have printers which are producing the drones' frames. They're printed in parts and then assembled in the shop. You basically buy reels of filament in bulk from China/Vietnam. What they can't print and need to source from elsewhere are things like motors and cameras. Batteries. Circuit boards + ICs (but those are cheap and available by the millions from Asia). There might be shops in Ukraine producing small motors idk.
I've actually been wanting to print my own drone. I could make most of it but would then need to wire it up myself. Actually the most expensive thing would be the receiver inside the drone and the flight controller, which I can't make myself, and that's so far not worth it just to doodle around with a quadcopter.
>But even if fully 3D printed FPV drones are a thing, they won’t make up the bulk of FPV drones produced because 3D printers aren’t a tool for mass production, their niche is being compact and versatile rather than providing the kind of throughput you’d need to produce thousands of drones a day.They can be used for mass production at scale. That's the easy part. If you have a couple of printers in a basement, you can produce enough parts for several drones per day. Depends on the drone though. If you have thousands of printers in workshops and warehouses across a country running 24/7 then you can make a lot more. Maybe a medium-size workshop has between 10-30 printers and they make a few hundred a week. The issue is really less the ability to materially produce them but the logistics of assembling it all efficiently. Feels like the most difficult part (although anyone could do it) is assembling the electronics just because that requires some hands-on technical knowledge. But, like, you and I could both do this.
>Also, FPV drones tend to have essentially rocket launcher grenades strapped to them because they’re dual purpose against armour and soft targets, you wouldn’t be able to 3D print a HEAT shell.Anti-tank munitions, I'm not sure. I somehow doubt it. But they've printed components that convert old RKG-3 anti-tank grenades into air-dropped munitions. You can also make anti-personnel munition casings. In Ukraine they fill them with explosives and ball bearings.
>It is. These aren’t makeshift workshops improvised on the battlefield or hidden in a barn far from built up areas. It has been documented from day one that Ukraine places military targets within civilian buildings and areas and doesn’t evacuate the civilians themselves, what follows is repeated claims by Ukraine is that Russia targets civilians.You're right that Ukraine will exploit that to say Russia targets civilians. That's Ukrainian propaganda. I dgaf about that and am not interested in waging some propaganda war for Ukraine. Looking it up, international law states that combatants should (*gestures*) do everything "feasible" to seperate military objectives from densely populated areas. But is that actually feasible? Like if you're a communist, how do you even have a people's war without a lot of "dual-use" infrastructure and mobilizing the population anyways. I'm not saying this in an edgelord way that war crimes are cool, it's just not like the WAR POLICE are going to teleport in and say, hey, you can't manufacture bomb casings in there. It's going to be something that's adjudicated later but in the meantime they're going to do everything they can to survive.
>Like that’s not Kiev’s fault if loads of civilians die while Russia is targeting workshops, garrisons or weapons storage that Kiev essentially set up in their homes. Absolutely it’s pointless complaining to the enemy about war crimes, but Ukrainians should at the very least expect to not be made to be human shields.I mean sure, yeah, war is hell, etc.
Reading about the millions of people who died in USSR during WW2, both civilians and military, makes me even more depressed about this war. The only way to have justice for that is to abolish capitalism and all nationalism/nations. To have nationalism and all ethnic hatred thrown into the dustbin of history.
Instead, Putin sends Russians to their death in a pointless war, and also ends up killing other members of the former USSR.
If this war was to make even a little bit of sense even from the nationalist POV, they should at least attack and kill Germans. But no, its just Slavs killing Slavs while Germans laugh in the background.
Then this same Russian ruling class makes solemn statements about WW2 and attends parades as if they are not repeating the same injustice that was inflicted upon Russia and other USSR states by the Axis.
How is this war anything but treason against both Russia and Ukraine? How is this anything but self-destruction?
I understand the causes of the war, even at the psychological level. I understand how Russians feel when Ukrainians kill innocent Russian civilians in Donbass. I understand the deep feeling of resentment and injustice that Russians feel when they are demonised despite being the biggest victims of WW2.
But those feelings of injustice are being used by the malicious ruling class to generate support for pointless wars that only benefit the capitalist class.
>>2824845>Russia could plausibly argue that striking an apartment tower that is producing drones is a valid military target"possibly argue". If an apartment is producing drones for war, anything and anyone in that apartment is a valid military target. Any civilians in that apartment are considered "human shields" and collateral. Which is what I think is going on when we see a Russian drone hit a random apartment in Kiev. They have observation drones, they have social media, they have spies on the ground and peoplr willing to collaborate/send them info.
>>2825238>"possibly argue"Plausibly argue
>>2825247OK, my response is the same. There's nothing to "argue". A facility producing weapons of war during an active armed conflict is a valid target.
>>2825228Baited nobody award
>>2825228I sure hate it when my government spends money on attacking a CIA puppet government whose whole financial strategy hinges on extracting reparations and capturing and subjugating the whole economy to their master's needs, then using me as cannon fodder to attack China. It's so pointless to spend resources to not have a CIA puppet government that has openly proclaimed they will attack my country's territory since they came to power in an illegal coup in 2014 and whose propaganda has always subsisted on calling me subhuman and promising skinhead freaks dominion over my land and people, even before they came to power. Surely the people who have always called the Soviet Union and my current capitalist state the same mutt subhuman land are reasonable and were not always looking for conflict as long as their ultranationalist project existed, and surely they wouldn't have attacked out of the blue the way Israel, a state they openly say they want to emulate, does, had we not protected an area that they were openly saying they will send armed skinhead freaks to terrorize the population the way they did in half of the country, including burning people alive in Odessa. Fuck man, it's so evil what this one man did, surely the communist party and the vast majority of people didn't say it should have been done much sooner. It's so illegal and environmentally unsound to not have a CIA puppet regime right next to all of your population centers. I guess terrorists who took enough hostages should just be allowed to build up their armed forces and brainwash people in their ultranationalist ideology indefinitely, and they should be given an area that they said they will ethnically cleanse because the international community and trusted experts and think tanks disagree with a referendum that they themselves said represented the will of the people there. Surely this isn't part of the broader American strategy to attack my country further after it already did everything to avoid conflict and there is no reason to look at the bigger picture, there are no think tank papers that say so openly. Thank you for your honest and not slimy gaslighting bullshit post, I sure love that Ukraine supporters are honest people.
>>2825290China is literally surrounded by US puppets and bases (Pakistan, Japan, S. Korea, India, Taiwan, even Afghanistan until the latest US withdrawal) but you don't see them chimping out and going on a rampage against all their neighbors for
>le national security https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/informal-meeting-foreign-affairs-ministers-gymnich-press-remarks-high-representative-kaja-kallas_en<Q. Russia was threatening again Europe and Kyiv saying also that diplomatic personnel should leave from Kyiv? How do you characterize this threat? Should we fear or [inaudible]?Kaja Kallas:
>This is what Russia does. Because it is not really gaining ground on the battlefield. So, what they are doing now is really increasing the terrorist attacks, because you cannot really describe it in other ways: creating fear inside the society. It has not worked for four years, but I do not think that it is going to work now.>they've been terrorising Ukraine>but it hasn't been working>they'll continue their terror campaign>which doesn't work btwSo which is it? Are Russians terrorising Ukrainians or are they failing to because Ukrainians are übermenschen? Can't have it both ways.
>>2825303>all their neighbors“Russia is a menace to all its neighbours” was a standard lib take pre-invasion and even pre-Russo-Georgian war, as soon as NATO started discussing expansion that was the take justifying it.
That being said, it’s a false equivalency because NATO is not just having US military bases in Europe. It enforces the US’ interests and aggressive foreign policy as the domestic policy of its vassals. The US via NATO can cut Germany off from Russian oil and demand it scuttles diplomacy with Moscow. The US cannot demand India to stop seeking balance with China according to its own interests.
>>2825303I don't see China's neighbors systematically bombing Chinese people in violation of international law either.
China should attack those puppets and those bases if they ever do.
>>2825313It’s also ignoring that unlike Europe, the US doesn’t have complete control over Asia to consolidate them as a military bloc against China. India’s primary rival is Pakistan, Worst Korea and Japan rival North Korea, Taiwan is in direct opposition to the PRC but there’s the One China policy that much of the world still follows diplomatically.
>>2825313>I don't see China's neighbors systematically bombing Chinese people in violation of international law either.That happens. It's called Myanmar.
Geographically it’s also only really South Korea and Japan that could realistically threaten a decapitation strike against Beijing, but neither of them currently station or possess nuclear weapons and the distances and/or coverage make for a much riskier attempt compared to a decap strike against Moscow.
>>2825315The US doesn't have complete control over Europe either. France and Germany constantly fight for EU hegemony, countries on the periphery like Slovakia and Hungary like to cut deals with Russia, and there's a big ideological clash between the pro-migrant core and anti-migrant eastern block as well with the Eastern euro countries wanting to rape migrants to death while the other countries like Germany, Ireland, Sweden, etc. being fine with increasing quotas. Not to mention Brexit signifying Britain's withdrawal from Europe in favor of a closer alliance with the US instead.
>>2825318C'mon Champ let's stop pretending that Russia doesn't have missile stations in the Far East ready to counter-attack, in anticipation of Moscow being wiped out in a first strike. Russia also has a massive submarine fleet that can launch final retaliation attacks even if all their ground launch pads are hit, just like Israel.
>>2825319Lmao okay I don’t think you can compare something like France and Germany competing within the EU to Pakistan and India.
>>2825320You don’t understand what a decapitation strike is.
>You don’t understand what a decapitation strike is.
You are dodging the answer.
<Russia also has a massive submarine fleet that can launch final retaliation attacks even if all their ground launch pads are hit, just like Israel.
<even if all their ground launch pads are hit
It is impossible to stop a submarine fleet from firing off nukes once they have been given the orders because the ocean is so big and the range of the weapons are so long that it's basically impossible to intercept. It's why Trump wants his retarded "Golden Dome" because currently America has no defense against an adversary that resorts to a submarine nuclear assault.
Why are you idiots arguing with the troll? lmao Do you think you'll change their mind? Do you think they're here in good faith? /pol/ is lightyears ahead when it comes to ignoring troll posts, slide threads and glowies.
For all you know, the person you're arguing against could be an actual glowie or paid shill. He's derailing the thread, making you waste time on nonsense.
Glowies are having a field day with this place lol
>>2825324>You are dodging the answer.And he'll keep dodging it, cause you keep falling for it. Dog trainers would kill to have a dog as responsive as you.
Russia has nukes with gold casing. Its a better cobalt bomb.
>>2825327Russia has a dead mans switch system
>>2825330The problem is that all my detractors are tryhards, so like in that example where I’m being ironic, you’ve screenshotted it in excitement of what an easy win I’ve handed you.
Like I don’t know what’s more pathetic, the obsession with me or the sad cope that I won’t listen to the ironclad logic of
>Russia isn’t at risk of a decapitation strike because they have submarines who can receive orders to retaliatebecause I’m infatuated with Putin, like that’s the only conceivable reason I could think you’re a retard lmao
>>2825332>because I’m infatuated with PutinThat is literally the only reason you're posting ITT. Come out of the closet Champagne everyone already knows this to be true. It's so true, in fact, that 90% of the active regulars in this thread stopping posting because they're sick of you running constant mental gymnastics over whatever retarded shit Putin will do next.
>>2825334You’re being too kind in suggesting 90% of the thread cares what I have to say, I can be ignored and I’m sure I am, it’s simply cucktin posters who get obsessively irate about myself disputing (seemingly successfully) lib narratives about the conflict.
>>2825330> the primary accomplishment of every single one of these threads has been to show just how desperately Champagne will bend and twist in order to defend Putin. Also we're only a few days away from breaking another one of Champagne's claims.yep…
>>2825432>They’re not ackshually Nazis, they just do the salutes to antagonise the RussiansWell, touché
Why hasn't Kiev been incinerated yet? Excuse me waiter I was promised extensive strikes? Did Chef Cucktin quit his job again?
>>2825479desolation of kiev has been postponed, russians have found some nazi commieblocks in kherson that need to be destroyed asap
>>2825516>Ukraine is turning the tables on Russia!<Image is a frame from FPV drone footageGoreposting really is both the bottom of the barrel and the height of conversation for pro-Ukrainians.
>>2825530It's not an image, it's a video of many things. Did you even read the article or you just shitpost?
>>2825541>it's a video of many thingsMostly FPV drone footage.
>or you just shitpost?I don't post FPV drone footage, so no.
>Did you even read the articleDo I have to if the takeaway is "cucktin is cuckmaxxing"?
>>2825516Financial Times was recently caught spreading misinformation about the Ukraine war. Why would you trust what they say?
>>2825303You might have heard of two conflicts called Korean and Vietnam wars if you weren't a dishonest piece of shit with no objective other than whitewash a skinhead anti-Soviet national project that was marginal in Ukraine itself for the first 23 years of its existence.
>>2822852Referendums are free if they're free. It's not about who is running the referendum.
>>2822868>Ukrainians committed the killings in Bucha, tooLet's look at some facts, here's the United Nations:
>UN report details summary executions of civilians by Russian troops in northern Ukraine>In the town of Bucha near Kyiv, which was under the control of Russian troops from 5 to 30 March, the Mission documented the killing of 73 civilians… and is in the process of corroborating an additional 105 alleged killingshttps://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/12/un-report-details-summary-executions-civilians-russian-troops-northern>>2822888>Ukranians are known to house military equipment and personnel in civilian locations all the timeSo you're accusing Ukraine (and reputable media organisations, and Amnesty International) of lying. But really if we want to look at liars, we need to look at Russia. Remember early 2022 when Russia said they weren't about to invade Ukraine? Remember Russia denying that they poisoned Alexei Navalny in 2020, even though Navalny got an FSB agent to admit on the phone that he had poisoned Navalny?
Here in the UK I am glad that our centre-left party, Labour, want to assist Ukrainians as they are invaded by imperialist Russia.
I’ve really gotta get off this fucking island
>>2825775Likely accident
Nothing will happen
>>2825669ugh, your prose is so gay and nauseating to read. Is this an LLM trained on reddit posts?
>>2825669Russians didn't kill any civilians in Donbass, or in Kherson, or anywhere else. In Bucha, they had white armband helpers, even, and were delivering humanitarian help there. What is the point of executions? Did they ever establish such a simple thing as a MOTIFF?
Ukrainian side had a motiff, in contrast: to punish traitors to the Great Ukiranian Nation. Hence the executed civilians were wearing white armbands.
>>2825801the bucha op was rolled out just after us-nato instructed ukraine to abandon the istanbul negotiations. The point, aside from demonizing the russians, was to condition the population to accept the decision to abandon negotiations and to embrace the upcoming totale krieg / national suicide
>>2825812According to Wikipedia it happened
>>2825669<In the town of Bucha near Kyiv, which was under the control of Russian troops from 5 to 30 March, the Mission documented the killing of 73 civilians… and is in the process of corroborating an additional 105 alleged killings>30 March
>“March 31 will go down in the history of our town … as the day of its liberation from Russian [forces],” Bucha Mayor Anatolii Fedoruk said in a video that appeared to be filmed outside the town hall.>31 Marchvidrel
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/ukraine/2022/2022-12-07-OHCHR-Thematic-Report-Killings-EN.pdf
>Entering the town on 2 April, Ukrainian security forces and Ukrainian and foreign journalists saw dozens of dead bodies, first on the streets and then in many other locations: in yards, apartments, basements, vehicles, forested areas and improvised individual and collective graves. > 2 April????
>OHCHR first visited Bucha on 9 April, and then undertook 11 additional visits until October 2022
>While working on cases in Bucha, OHCHR … and took due account of documentation and investigative activities by other actors, including law enforcement, human rights NGOs, and media personnel.Also, funny picrel:
https://bigkyiv.com.ua/meshkancziv-buchi-zaklykaly-poky-shho-ne-povertatysya-do-domu-yaki-prychyny/Really makes you think, huh?
>>2825836They exist thanks to Russia anyway and same thing will happen with Ukraine at some point, Russia will suck it up and have them as partners
god this thread is so fucking boring and this war is so fake and gay I get depressed everytime I see it in the catalog, so many dead proles just for a gigantic nothingburger, its like the complete opposite of a historical event
>>2825892It might have killed millions of workers for porkie interests but at least it made zizters happy
ever notice how the totally leftist both-siders seem to blame one side a lot more than the other, and how they love using thinly veiled racial slurs?
>>2825669Why wasn't anyone idicted for Bucha at the ICJ? They charged Putin with kidnapping children, why not Bucha? Is it because they are afraid of discovery?
>>2825977I forgot about that charge, kinda grim considering how often pro-Ukrainians do demand targeting children and my theory that Banderites want atrocities to permanently divide Russia and Ukraine
>>2825931it was historical necessity
>>2825999Trvthnvke. Imagine if Russia didn't fight in Ukraine and we all still thought Russia was a strong and powerful country. We might all still be having false hopes in le multipolarity and le collapse of US hegemony.
>>2825775Surely this won't be more gas for the "please NATO please start, how you say?… WW3!" fire
>>2826016Oh demonjaks pointing at Article 5 buttons have already been posted. No, they’ve not been deterred by their many prior rejections from NATO at all.
Imagine if the strong and powerful hegemon could beat Iran or Yemen
>>2825968Marx called Russia a nation of reactionary despotic mongols buddy
>>2826094Can I cope? I think I can!
>FP-1 drone ackshually costs $75,000>If the drone hit above the waterline then it’s unlikely to be a loss>Frigates getting hit tends to happen when one actually has frigates Why won't they send a few PLA regiments to Ukraine? Russia is struggling
>>2826094It's a mala tokmachka war not a naval war comrade
>>2826115China is not imperialist.
>>2826094>>2826094What is the blue shit?
>>2826102>A 75k drone putting a 200 million dollar frigate out of commission is good No. No it isn't.
>>2826153Bombay Sapphire gin
>>2826094Cucktin's Pearl Harbor
>>2826252I hate straight gin.
>>2826242>is goodWhere was that said? The point is that there’s no need to exaggerate if such attacks are truly important to Ukraine’s war effort.
Quite likely the amount of damage done to the ship is more than the cost of the drone itself (and that’s a victory for Ukraine presuming they didn’t use 100 drones to get one hit), but understating how much the drone costs and just assuming the ship sank is fooling oneself when it’s not necessary to.
It’s why pro-Ukrainians are surprised the Russian economy hasn’t completely collapsed from the attacks on oil infrastructure. Making the calculation that the attack only cost Ukraine the two or three drones that landed, against Russia losing an entire oil refinery forever.
Actually le cheap drone meme is starting to become untrue for Ukraine at least. The most common long range suicide drone produced by Ukraine costs $200,000 a piece and apparently packs a lot of hardware for AI targeting and cruise missile-like navigation. A modern Russian frigate (I.e an Admiral Gorshkov) costs $250,000,000, which is a lot but actually only affords you 1,250 Liutyi drones which is not a lot if they’re launching ~200 of them in a single night.
In fact they pack a 50kg warhead compared to a Tomahawk’s 450kg warhead, meaning you need 9 drones for the same explosive weight and therefore $1.8 million which is not that much less than a Block IV missile.
All of this expense to avoid Russian AA which is a complication that Geran drones, for the most part, don’t have over Ukraine’s skies.
>In other words, the Liutyi drone is able to adjust its flight direction in real-time by comparing the objects it sees with a [3D] map stored in the computer.https://militarnyi.com/en/news/cnn-liutyi-uavs-are-ai-guided/This is precisely how cruise missiles like the Tomahawk work and what makes them so expensive (as well as pretty unique to the US in having 3D maps of the globe detailed to this degree), so I’ve actually some doubt the drones “only” cost $200,000 a piece. The difference between $200,000 and $1.9 million isn’t going to be the extra 400 kgs of explosives or small jet engine in the Tomahawk.
>>2826358Uyghur the drones could cost 1 million apiece and it would still be cost effective for Ukraine to hit every Russian frigate with 200 drones. Stop being retarded and in denial of basic math.
>>2826428>to hit every Russian frigate with 200 dronesMost of them don’t hit anything, that’s the key factor pro-Ukrainians ignore
>>2826468What the fuck? Who approved this bullshit? There's not enough production for the military as is, and now private companies can outbid the state for equipment? Fucking retarded Russians copying America's private contractor bullshit I'm so fucking done with the incompetence. I wish the Chinese were actually imperialist so they could take over Russia and teach those morons how to actually win a war against Ukraine.
glove status?
>>2826598Kiev is still standing and all G7 embassies are still functioning. Clearly Cucktin has put on yet another pair of gloves.
So how much longer is it gonna last anons? Im not really keeping up on the day to days. Is anything changing?
>>2826806Konstantinovka is about to fall, maybe in June already.
Poland furious after Zelensky renames Special Ops unit after perpetrators of the Volhynia Massacre in which ukrainians genocided over 150,000 poles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_GaliciaUkraine moment
>>2826922Russia have millions of Kazakhs and Uzbeks immigrants ready to settle in every inoccupied appartement and farm plots like they do in Mariupol now, Ukrainians gonna seethe so much when mosques are built in Avdiivka or Bakhmut
>>2826939Zigger zigger zigger zigger.
If I say it enough times, it'll become true, right?
This dude in here lusting for settler-colonialism?
>>2826941>>2826948I'm 200 percent Zigga.
Wikipedia continues to remove any mention of Nazis or far-right in Ukraine. Even fucking Azov isn't "far-right" on Wikipedia.
Now they deleted Nation Europa (organization).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nation_Europa_(organization)This is the org btw:
https://der-dritte-weg.info/2024/09/nation-europa-der-iii-weg-auf-der-1-internationalen-europa-konferenz-in-lemberg-lviv-video/And the conference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0F9eAexiwoLiteral Nazis. They're Ukrainian nazis, so they don't exist.
I think I'll start a website to document all this. I need a cool name.
>>2827172Many websites copy wikipedia content. You can see what the deleted article looked like, more or less, here -
https://everything.explained.today/Nation_Europa_(organization)/ >>2827172Nation Europa is like an international for the neo-nazi, neo-fascist parties / organizations, my own country's ukrophile neo-nazis attended
>>2827178According to Wikipedia it doesn't exist and it never happened.
>>2827183>I am opposed to merging because we cannot even prove this org exists lol
>its just another small party rally, no evidance it has any significancelmao even. "there is no EVIDANCE!!!"
>>2827225someone made a mistake and put the years into the pop column and vice versa, clearly…
>>2825801>Russians didn't kill any civilians in Donbass, or in Kherson, or anywhere elseThey killed civilians in Bucha and they have been using missiles and drones on civilians for years now.
>>2825833I don't really care if some pro-Russia, pro-imperialism, pro-fascism people on the internet deny the Bucha massacre. It has been reported on by lots of reliable news organisations.
>>2825977Wow you're right this must mean that Russia is telling the truth when they say they didn't harm civilians in Bucha. Just like they told the truth on these occasions:
>Early 2022, insisting they wouldn't invade Ukraine>2020, insisting the FSB didn't poison Alexei Navalny>2018, insisting they hadn't poisoned Sergei Skripal in the UK>2006, insisting they hadn't killed Alexander Litvinenko in the UKHow gullible are you?
>>2827172Why do pro-fascism Russophiles like you never mention Russian Nazis?
>Russian neo-Nazi group 'Rusich' regularly posts images of war crimes>It is thought to be the tip of the iceberg in terms of war crimes committed by this group, which is currently deployed on the Ukrainian fronthttps://www.france24.com/en/europe/20251204-atrocity-competition-russian-neo-nazi-group-rusich-ukraineEvery country in Europe has far-right/neo-nazi groups, including Russia.
>>2827225It shows the years russiia might manage to take the village
>>2826948why you eat so much chicken?
>>2826960Demographic changes happened in every single war since the Assyrian Empire, cry more. And replacing azovites by glorious turks is a massive improvement.
>>2827270russia isn't in europe
>>2827289Trve. They're Mongols living under asiatic mode of production
This war just seems like a endless humiliation ritual for russia. Only way to win such games is not to play.
>>2827270>nafoid copingbecause russian nazis arent in any positions of power while ukrainian nazis are, and the russan state isnt giving national celebration to nazi collaborators and ideology while ukraine state is
kys glowie
>>2827317Wtf I love drone strikes on nazi babies now.
Tbh Rusich is a mark against the Russian state, they shouldn’t be acceptable just because they happen to be willing to fight Ukraine, but again I have to point out that the motivation for being anti-NATO and therefore anti-Ukraine is not believing that the Russian state is anything more or less than a standard capitalist state willing to utilise the services of such people when its expedient to do so.
When it comes to Ukraine thoughever, that is a state that keeps reburying Nazi collaborators, naming shit after Ukrainian SS divisions, promoting mass marches celebrating a guy who wrote genocidal diatribes as their ideological hero, painting Balkenkreuz-like crosses on all their vehicles, etc.
If you take the view that all countries have Neo-Nazis and often bourgeois states utilise them for dirty work, okay fine. But if you say you don’t support Ukraine’s legitimisation, empowerment and promotion of Neo-Nazis and you wash your hands of it, then I have to ask you, genuinely, what the fuck else is there? What of Ukraine remains on your hands?
optics yap never gets boring
I think Cucktin really did think he could end the war by reaching a deal with Trump to make America put pressure on Ukraine. What he underestimated was the Ukrainian will to resist and the European ability to fund what the Americans stopped funding. Ukraine doesn't have to worry about production since they can make everything themselves in their own homes basically since Cucktin never bothers to do any major infrastructure strikes. So their drone production will continue to ramp up and all they need is funding which the EU will now supply in lieu of the Americans cutting funding.
The real problem is that Cucktin has no backup plan. He pinned his hopes of an early ceasefire upon Trump and Trump is going to get raped in the midterms and replaced by a Democrat in '28 who will undoubtedly remove all Trump restrictions on Ukrainian aid and really ramp up pressure on Russia again. Cucktin only has 2 more years to try to force an end to the war, but Russia is going backwards on the battlefield and Ukraine is starting to regain territory again and is starting to blockade Crimea's supply route.
So Cucktin only has two choices left: go all out with a mobilization drive and try to force through a massive offensive before Ukrainian drone production skyrockets to the point that Russia gets kicked out of the east, or to call an end now and negotiate with Ukraine and to try to portray it as a semi-victory. Except he can't do the former since it will provoke another exodus from Russia as most Russians don't want to fight in this stupid war, and he can't do the latter without losing all authority as hardliners call him out as a traitor who failed to accomplish the stated objectives of the war. I don't see how this war can end in anything other than a change in the Russian government.
>>2827326only """"evidence"""" that Rusich are neo-nazis is their use of the kolovrat. the ADL says kolovrat is not used only by neo-nazis. you, is not used only by neo-nazis. pan-slavism is not the same as white supremacy.
>pics relHow Azov and Rusich are described on Wikipedia. Rusich are far right AND neo-nazi. Azov is nothing, apolitical, even though it was founded by Andriy Biletsky, a notorious neo-nazi, and is currently led by Denys Prokopenko, a notorious neo-nazi.
>>2820742"it's a shame they can't both lose"
-Zhou Enlai
>>2826566It may be a retarded move from a war nerd perspective but after thinking about it for a second it seems pretty justified from a capitalist perspective (i.e. cucktin's) because it means you open up the private market for air defense systems, making GDP go up and probably increasing profit margin on making these things.
>>2827492Alexey Milchakov said he is nazi.
>>2827521>>2827521He also killed and ate a puppy. He's a psycho.
>>2827492>ADL saysstopped reading right here
>>2826468How do you fight a civil war with AA weapons? it could open ways for terrorists to drop and airliner or something.
>>2826566This is the opposite of american model. it's state arms companies providing weapons to Gazprom or some shit. Also I'm sure RUAF has first rights on everything. Civilians get large caliber dakka and small EW systems or something.
>>2827494They could though
>>2827679I reckon there’s two things going on here. Firstly, it’s passing the buck so the responsibility for failing to prevent Ukrainian drones from hitting industrial facilities is on the owners, but also (unless the article suggests otherwise) I don’t see that the private purchase of such defensive weapons *must* come from Russian firms and thus we may be seeing North Korean or even Chinese weapons coming into Russia “unofficially” in that these aren’t sales to the Russian military for use against Ukraine directly.
I’ve no doubt that the Chinese defence sector would like to be getting some valuable experience in developing defences against NATO suicide drones.
>>2827687Could also be caving to porky demands. "I would like permission to exchange my money for some AA, please".
>>2827696Maybe but defending their property is something porky expects taxes to pay for, rather than something they have to finance themselves separately. Unless the deal is that the Russian military will buy the weaponry from them post-war.
>>2827701Maybe non-firstie porkies aren't that entitled. Especially in Russia, where being uppity can get you killed. Or maybe just non-Anglo porky. Common law was a mistake.
>>2826566>>2827679companies can now purchase aa for the army, it's pay2play defense
>>2825910Somebody, post him some random nationalist education photos in Ukraine, where kids are holding guns while listening to Azovites
>>2826094This fucking depresses me. All this fucking effort just for proles to kill other proles.
Why does it have to be done this way rather than fucking KILLING THOUSANDS OF THE RULING CLASS
NO WE SHOULD NOT KILL OTHER PROLES
FUCK THE CAPITALIST RULING CLASS
FUCK THE CAPITALIST RULING CLASS
FUCK THE CAPITALIST RULING CLASS
KILL ZELENSKYKILL PUTINKILL UKRAINIAN OLIGARCHSKILL RUSSIAN OLIGARCHSANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME I WILL KILL
THIS NEEDS TO STOP FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I WILL RAPE AND TORTURE THE CAPITALIST RULING CLASS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>2826152They hire other countries to do their dirty work instead
>>2827287True, this is why Israel replacing Palestinians is just a normal thing, turks should stop crying about it
Whenever anyone starts questioning the necessity of this war and calling for proletarian defeatism on both sides, the shills and bots come out and start making rage-baiting comments from both sides to trigger both sides into hating each other again.
So let me re-iterate
I WILL RAPE AND KILL THE CAPITALIST CLASS AND THEIR DOGS AND SHILLS AS WELL
I AM COMING FOR YOU. YOU WILL SUFFER LIKE NO ONE HAS EVER SUFFERED BEFORE.
>>2827843Stalin said that it was not USSR's job to carry out revolutions in other countries. Similarily, China is not intervening anywhere, nations should first want to pivot away from capitalism
>>2827848>Stalin said that it was not USSR's job to carry out revolutions in other countriesYeah because he's the figurehead of the counterrevolution that ended the Communist Party and communist movement in Russia, that abandoned world revolution and adopted capitalism rebranded as "socialism in one country". Nevertheless, the Stalinist USSR continued to intervene by supporting opportunistic socdem parties in other countries, which is even worse than not intervening at all.
>Similarily, China is not intervening anywhereBecause they are a capitalist country and do not have a goal of communist revolution either in their own country or other countries, so they don't intervene to carry out revolutions. But they do intervene indirectly in a lot of places by selling arms and other important military equipment to their geopolitical allies, as well as providing satellite info and other intelligence during active combat situations. This is done to increase their geopolitical power and protect their imperialist interests.
Inter-Trotskyite conflict
>>2827851Wrong on both accounts. Note how Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev, all stooped as low as allying with open counter-revolutionaries and carrying out terrorism against USSR, going as far as wishing that fascists or entente started a war against USSR in 1930s so that they, true revolutionaries, could seize power. And funnily enough, this kind of retarded activity ceased immediately with Khruschev's victory… except immediately afterwards, as stalinist cadres were decimated, actual fucking fascists reared their heads and carried out a counter-revolution in Hungary and were quite active in Poland and Germany as well. Also, EVEN MORE FUNNILY ENOUGH, the communists who enabled fascists to carry out the counter-revolution in Hungary, were in a pro-Khruschev camp! Oh, and also, Khruschev was buddy-buddy with Yugoslavia, that wanted to join NATO to "defend" against USSR. and failing that - Balkan Pact, and FAILING THAT, they supported - or at least allowed for safe passage of - Hungarian fascists, as described by declassified CIA documents on Hungarian Uprising.
So, in short, anti-stalinsts ally with fascists, and then when they manage to win somehow, fascists declare open rebellions against communism. Hence why Mao said that leftist and rightist deviationists all protect and help to grow the capitalist HQ in a given country.
>>2827669Then it's no surprise that your reading comprehension is so poor.
>>2827864>Yugoslavia, that wanted to join NATO to "defend" against USSRAhistorical garbage. Yugoslavia started the Non-Aligned Movement, that included countries like the DPRK and Cuba, precisely because they didn't want to join either side.
NATO countries almost went to war with Yugoslavia in the 50s over Trieste. USSR was funding dissidents in Yugoslavia and trained them in Bulgaria and Romania and then encouraged cross-border raids.
Yugoslavia was a better country than any in NATO or Warsaw Pact, which is why they slowly tore it apart. Jealousy breeds hate.
>>2827851>abandoned world revolutionalready happened during lenin's rule, it was the result of soviet failure in polish-bolshevik war and germans sweeping the remnants of november revolution
The Gas station country is running out of gas
The sale of gasoline by ration coupons was introduced in Sevastopol, following Crimea's leadSales of AI-92 and AI-95 gasoline in Sevastopol will be conducted using ration coupons today, Governor Mikhail Razvozhayev announced.
Razvozhayev explained that fuel sales began this morning at the TES gas station, and the daily quota was completely sold out within a few hours.
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/31/05/2026/6a1be52a9a794766d905f34b>>2827895I'm sure the reason for a lack of gas in Crimea is because Russia as a whole is out of gas
>>2827840>he thought "class war", "solidarity" and "workers of the world, unite" meant all proles will just turn around, kill their bosses, and then sing kumbaya togetherReality is often disappointing.
>>2827934No war but class war doesn't mean these things but it does mean you shouldn't take sides in any war which is not a class war unless it has implications for the success of the class war
>>2827851>Because they are a capitalist country and do not have a goal of communist revolution either in their own country or other countries, so they don't intervene to carry out revolutionsWrong. It's because China studied why the USSR collapsed and one of the conclusions they came to was that extensive military intervention and overreach strained the economy too much and increased domestic unrest to the point of destabilizing the government which allowed the CIA to convince enough people to overthrow the Soviets.
>>2827934>t. nationalistKill yourself
You don’t think it’s my fault this thread keeps getting duplicated by and for cucktin posters, do you?
Cucktin should be raped to death so that Zyuganov can take power and finally end this retarded war (with a nuclear assault and full mobilization after the economy has been re-nationalized let's fucking go!).
>>2827289Eurasian, so partly in Europe.
>>2827299Why? Because I actually oppose imperialist/fascist invasions?
>>2827317Oh right, the Jewish president of Ukraine is a Nazi is he?
>the russan state isnt giving national celebration to nazi collaborators and ideologyI don't think Zelenskyy is "giving national celebration" to Stepan Bandera.
>>2827326>If you take the view that all countries have Neo-Nazis and often bourgeois states utilise them for dirty work, okay fine.Yes I would say that.
>But if you say you don’t support Ukraine’s legitimisation, empowerment and promotion of Neo-Nazis and you wash your hands of it, then I have to ask you, genuinely, what the fuck else is there? What of Ukraine remains on your hands?I bet there are many Ukrainians, including Zelenskyy, who don't want to celebrate Nazi ideology. Instead they just want an independent Ukraine which can make its own democratic decisions. Without Russia launching a fascist and imperialist invasion of Ukraine.
Why do people still think wars only happen due to ideological differences?
>>2828121This is the only way for Euroids to reconcile both world wars. if reasons are entirely materialistic, this means that Europe is a pit of warmongers, and the only good side in WW conflicts was Soviet Russia/USSR, because Soviet Russia/USSR actually fought for the people, while Euroid regimes fought for profits and exploitation
>>2828082>Because I actually oppose imperialist/fascist you're actively defending an imperialist/fascist state though (well more an imperialist tool than imperialists themselves but still). So I agree, you should kill yourself.
>Oh right, the Jewish president of Ukraine is a Nazi is he?<he think the only position of power in a state is the president
>I don't think Zelenskyy is "giving national celebration" to Stepan Bandera.so you actually dont fucking know anything about ukraine. Unsurprising really, retards spouting the nato line on ukraine usually dont (or they're neonazis themselves).
They literally gave national celebration to banderite andriy melnyk just this month, and they apparently want more nazi collaborators celebrated, and have made demands to retrieve bandera body
>Instead they just want an independent Ukraine which can make its own democratic decisionssadly they never had that since maidan. Its the nato controlled nazi show ever since.
now go back to reddit retard
>>2828061> so that Zyuganov can take powerThat could only happen if the army was on his side.
>>2828126>if reasons are entirely materialistic, this means that Europe is a pit of warmongersWhy you made a moralistic analysis then? Warmongerers? Wouldn't the material analysis be that war between capitalist nations is inevitable due to competition of markets and the tendency of the rate of profit to fall?
>>2828217>Wouldn't the material analysis be that war between capitalist nations is inevitable due to competition of markets and the tendency of the rate of profit to fall?Yes. But that expansion can happen in different ways. Look at China, they're everywhere. They didn't start a single war to achieve it. The current European leadership seems particularly bloodthirsty. They talk about defending Ukraine, while at the same time hoping Russia collapses and experiences the misery of the 90s again. What is the materialistic explanation for sadism?
>>2828220China is socialist not capitalist that is why they are so peaceful. If China was capitalist they would have already attacked Japan and Taiwan and South Korea by now in order to destroy the most advanced regional states so their companies can gain an advantage, and also invaded Russia to steal resources and to carve it up with Europe. Instead they're blowing trillions of yuan in intensive r&d trying to figure out how to reverse engineer everything.
>>2828231china is ultracapitalist
it's capitalism that holds china in reigns because if they started rocking the boat they'd have no one to sell their wares to and for a manufacturing country that is a game over
>>2828220>They didn't start a single war to achieve it.Vietnam
>>2828234Wrong read Adam Smith. The most violent nations are always capitalist ones and even the early capitalists knew this.
>>2828294China intervened to protect Cambodian national sovereignty as soon as Vietnam abandoned their goal of permanently seizing Cambodia, they backed off.
>>2828234>china is ultracapitalistwhat kind of complete retard do you have to be to say this shit seriously
>>2828503politically it's a variety of dictartoriat of the bourgeoisie where the bourgs are the (nominally communist) party
culturally it's an exceptionally materialistic society even when compared with other asian societies which are already very materialistic on average
>>2828241Why is it up to Europe to "let" countries invade other countries? This is the new "white man's burden".
>>2828723idk maybe it's because it's on their borders, and it's in their best interests to not let them get invaded? or you can just be a little troll and pretend that isn't why
>>2828521Not true in the slightest. Anglos always say the most retarded shit and then expect everyone else to unthinkingly accept it.
>>2828723"The West" is a supremacist cult. It's leaders are pathological liars, serial criminals and hypocrites who think it's their job to dictate events everywhere in the world. They will support genocides and invasions one day, provoke invasions another, and then pretend to they're opposing the latter for moral reasons. They aren't righteous and they have no principles, just situational positions.
They are scum and they're going to drag all of humanity down with them if they aren't defeated.
Did I miss much?
>>2828779Not much. NAFO hasn't been sending their best
>>2828779Cucktin threatened to punish Kiev and then did nothing.
>>2828783Referring to this?
>>2828082Looks boring, the usual
Unless they cite the logic of why a Marxist would oppose Ukraine and try to understand it I wouldn't reply. They're just posting whatever you find on liberal reddit
>>2828785I remember you! The cucktin poster
>>2828787No I'm the Nuke Kiev poster. Cucktin as a term was originally popularized by Iron Felix.
>>2828779You missed absolutely nothing. Go back to having fun.
>>2828779trump ended the war and dismantled the deep state
>>2828779Nah, the same cycle of
>Cucktin posters signal boost the hype currently emanating from NAFO xittter>Anger at ChampSoc for disputing the game changing nature of the latest gamechanger >Conflict continues as normal, Cucktin Posters “disappear” and “replaced” by standard lib Russophobic posts >>2828779Nope. This thread isn't as active as it used to be
>>2828817And why is that?
>>2828838Everyone gave up on a Russian victory ever happening, including Champagne (though he will of course deny it).
>>2828838the trump spectacle is more interesting than watching ukraine bleed to death
>>2828841It's delusional to say that this war will go on forever somehow stalemated. It's equally delusional say that Ukraine and Nato are winning the war.
>>2829000Well if Russia is winning then they're doing it in a very weird way
>>2829002Not that I think it describes this conflict for Russia, but a pyrrhic victory is still a victory. At this point Ukraine is utterly recked economically and there’s no way fighting a proxy war for NATO was worth it to regain Donbass, but if Russia were to completely retreat and Ukraine regained 1991 borders that would still be considered a resounding victory by NAFO because vibes.
Russia is winning its war against NATO expansion into Ukraine despite all the western money, advisors and technological support pumped into it, but that looks “strange” because the vibes are off.
Also the diplomatic support Ukraine gets shouldn’t be underestimated, they’re allowed to do literally anything to win with western MSM and diplomats either denying any particular crimes occurred, or explaining why Ukraine is exceptional and the rules don’t apply if it cannot be denied.
A big deal when the west is also trying to convince the world to isolate Russia.
>>2829002If you think it reductively and ask if Ukraine is winning then the answer that remains is that Russia is winning. Because Ukraine sure is not winning and has not done anything to turn the direction of the war. It's not really winning if 20+% of your area is occupied and the area you hold is shrinking, while you take 10x casualties. Ukraine is only winning in Twitter and Telegram and even there they are slipping.
What you really mean by "weird" is too slowly or in a way that looks boring. That is if are speaking in good faith, if not you just want nato victory in "interimperialist war" so that there could be gay parades in Moscow or smth.
>>2829066No, I don't want a NATO victory. I said weird because it seems the cost to Russia has been very high, and they have won very little territory.
>>2829073> it seems the cost to Russia has been very highYou ever consider how high the cost would be if Russia did the URAAAH! massive WW2 style big arrow towards kiev? The cost in Russian soldiers and Ukrainian civilians would be massive.
I am all for Russia strangling the pig slowly, because it still leads to least amount of total casualties, more stable (even if still horrific) post war situation in Ukraine and least risk of west panicking or risking it all on nukes or direct intervention that will lead to nukes. Also it's really fucking good that for general public war looks as boring, soul crushing and unappetizing as possible. Anybody's personal entertainment, the appearence of "their team" winning, or trolling of mainly LLM powered nafoids, should not even enter into anyones mind when it comes to what should Russia do. Keep monitoring (or don't) and stfu.
>>2829073We don’t really know what the costs are. In terms of casualties it seems like it’s indeed more than any recent US conflict curb-stomping an isolated third world nation, but the claims of many hundreds of thousands KIA are surmised from the front not moving much with the
guess that the Russians are pushing as hard as (and paying the same price) the Ukrainians are, which seems untenable for a volunteer, professional army.
In terms of economic damage from the drone strikes, they don’t change the fact that Russia is an oil rich country and that the world needs lots of oil and will continue to do so long after the conflict is over and the oil refineries/tankers/pipelines have been rebuilt and paid for themselves.
>>2828521>'s a variety of dictartoriat of the bourgeoisie where the bourgs are the (nominally communist) partythats is so laughably wrong, why the fuck do you insist in such ridiculous claim
you can whine about china not being communist or socialist, and I'd disagree but understand, but pretending party bureaucrats are the same thing as porkies denote a completely delusional worldview. A bureaucrat doesnt get profit from the capital he manage, doesnt reinvest it to get more capital to himself, he cant use it to buy medias or bribe politicians, and he doesnt have access to it to buy a private island and fuck children, he does not own the capital or derive direct gain from it, he is quite simply, not a bourgeois.
>culturally it's an exceptionally materialistic society which is good, marxism is materialist
the big russian strike on kyiiyiv may be happening right now
>>2829375can't wait to see how cucktin cucks his way out of this
>hits one area with an oreshnik and then stops?>typical drone attack no different from any other month?>a single TCC building destroyed? >>2829002You realize that the territory that Ukraine has reclaimed in Zaporizhzhia and Dnipropetrovsk is mostly empty land, right? Meanwhile Konstantinovka is about to fall, which is bigger Potrovsk. I don't see this "turning point" at all, it's just more gaslighting.
However the attacks on the supply roads are a problem, funny that they are just starting now. The meeting between Zelensky and the head of Palantir might have something to do with it.
Oof, the silence
>>2829375Russia is maybe losing on the battlefield but they are winning at killing civilians by flying drones into apartment buildings. When Hitler realized he was losing WW2 he decided to double down on the holocaust.
>Kiev is still standing
CUCKTINNNNNNNNNNNNNN
>>2829551Imagine if Ukrainians were smart like that, instead of treating their own country as a place to earn money in for the purpose of moving to somewhere in Europe and opening a barbershop there so that other immigrants work for them, and they have a passive income
>>2829551>erm can we please instead talk about a literal who being wrong on Twitter circa 2021!?Cope.
>>2827326>If you take the view that all countries have Neo-Nazis and often bourgeois states utilise them for dirty work, okay fine. Maybe not all, but I think that's probably true in a lot of countries.
>But if you say you don’t support Ukraine’s legitimisation, empowerment and promotion of Neo-Nazis and you wash your hands of it, then I have to ask you, genuinely, what the fuck else is there? What of Ukraine remains on your hands?How much does this historical LARPing really matter? Especially for most people. How much does it actually tell us about what's going on? It's an interesting question but we are debating things at the level of the symbolic. But why is this the most important question for leftists anyways? Wow, it's like these guys have a hammer & sickle on their flag and the other guys don't, so, they're the goodies. I guess. But isn't this kind of stupid? It's like the nightmare of dead generations while we're still just stuck here and unable to come up with anything new. Or maybe it does mean something. Idk, what do you think?
>>2829575I think you’re dodging the question
this much cope for round 1
>>2829607
London was heavily bombed during the blitz and people still went to dance halls despite that.
>>2829608Hitler's air force was dogshit he could only bully countries that barely had an airforce (Poland, USSR, Czechoslovakia, etc.) As soon as he came up against a peer enemy that had an actual airforce (Britain) his Luftwaffe got BTFO. Throughout the entire "Blitz" the Germans were totally unable to carry out the saturated firebombing that the American air force did against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.
>>2829607
You're gonna pretend the right-side are post-war?
Is your point to make light of proletarian non-combatant casualties?
If you're gonna defend defend russian imperialism and military buffoonery just do so explicitly, fascist pussy.
>>2829564Both are right wing propaganda. You are (hopefully) not the target audience.
>>2829643Red Army had the benefit of retarded Nazi propaganda backfiring on Nazis, causing civilians to flee from the Red Army en masse, fearing any of the funny memes like collectivization of women, mass rapes, kids getting cannibalized, property nationalized, etc etc. It also caused German military units to also lose discipline and start running for the hills
>>2829551in 2022 many Ukrainan soldiers did lay down their arms without much of a fuss.
Most of new Ukrainian cannon fodder is looking to do that very same thing, but they risk getting shot or droned by their handlers.
>>2829643>>2829647There is no red army fighting and this isnt a revolutionary war. Its just plain old capitalist imperialism.
>>2829656Obvious painting or ai.
>>2829656Looks AI generated, I can tell from some of the pixels, and from looking at quite a few genAI pics in my time
>>2829674Besides, we all know that Ukrainians were double genocided by both Nazis and Soviet bureaucratic capitalism, so no way in hell would Ukrainians pose as a giant swastika
If it’s merely symbolism then why deny it and cry AI?
>>2829677those ai image detectors are basically useless though, most of them are just checking if the AI watermark is still there. Even mild post-processing obliterates it.
>>2829656>This is crazybefore the mods lost the entire website to the wipe of a bare mettle hard drive that they were using as a server for some fucking reason, we had a thread on
>>>/edu/ that documented probably hundreds of examples of this kind of thing. now most of the files are gone and text remains.
>>2829663it's so funny how AI enables you freaks to call the truth AI while spamming your actual AI falsehoods.
>>2829620may autumn come faster then
>>2829600we have those patrick lancaster interviews from the siege of mariupol where civilians would regularly point out to the american interviewer that the AFU was holding people hostage, torturing them, and staging artillery near apartments and schools, to bait russian response.
>>2830345Azov tunnels were in the school bus
>>2830119>All you had to do was visit one of those targets after we’d roasted it, and see the ruins of a multitude of houses, with a drill press sticking up through the wreckage of every home. The entire population got into the act and worked to make those airplanes or munitions of war . . . men, women, children. We knew we were going to kill a lot of women and kids when we burned [a] town. Had to be done.Amazing that Cucktin who prides himself on studying history and brags to others in interviews about how much of Russian history he knows (see: the Tucker interview), has access to Soviet military archives 24/7 that the rest of us could only dream about, and was raised with an ideological and political education that taught him about
<le great patriotic warand yet internalized literally ZERO, ZERO of those lessons and is proving to be just as inept as Tsar Nicholas II in WW1. I'm convinced that 90% of the reason that Yeltsin chose Cucktin to succeed him is because the Russian bourgeoisie knew Cucktin was mentally retarded and incapable of showing strength against the Western bourgeoisie (which they all so desperately want to integrate with and be accepted by).
>>282965290% of the countries fighting against Nazi Germany were capitalist you retard. Real communists support anti imperialist wars.
Also one of the mods (betting on Wobbly) is fucking retarded and has been destroyed in so many arguments that he has become permanently butthurt enough to constantly ban me because any real debate would see him humiliated. I already warned him that if he continued to insist on the abuse of his moderator power, that I would simply start using several of the VPNs that I specifically bought up in anticipation of his constant abuse. 80% of my posts aren't even under any flag so good fucking luck. If you want to try to waste my time by pretending like you have any power at all, I'm happy to help waste yours. You people aren't even pretending to be Communist anymore. You will scoff at moralism and liberalism and then behave like frightened school teachers scolding people want they cry out for a war to be waged as a war. Am I to believe that you would fight under any revolutionary scenario whatsoever when you display such retarded liberal squeamishness over crushing fascist governments? Lenin and any of the Bolsheviks would have shot you for being a coward and a wrecker.
>>2830345Cucktin posters decry Russia failing to completely crush morale in Ukraine, but they have no idea how much morale gets boosted whenever Ukraine is revealed to be breaking some kind of rule and for their western supporters (who are supposed to frown on such things) praise the rule breaking as either necessary or ingenious or they didn’t see anything.
It gives an incredible sense of power for fascists.
>>2830392>look at what you forced me to do!russian people not beating the domestic abuse culture allegations
>>2827326There are statues to antisemitic White generals in Russia. It doesn't necessarily mean everyone fighting on (or supp000rting) the Russian side is an anti-communist or a Nazi.
The older I grow, the more disinterested I become in these grand Manichaeist good and evil narratives. Not much difference with NAFO here really.
I think people in light of securalisation and the continuing misery and banality of everyday life, are so desperate for salvation and end times narratives that they invent and cling to these (hyperreal) cosmic struggles between good and evil. Israel vs Iran, Trump, Ukraine, etc. All of these could end tonight and you'd still have to go to work tomorrow.
People here (And other places online) are more obsessed about this conflict, than the locals I know, or my friends in Russia. Makes it all the more ridiculous really.
>>2825892Most "historical events" are like this.
>>2830599No what is ridiculous is no one being able to answer the question
>But if you say you don’t support Ukraine’s legitimisation, empowerment and promotion of Neo-Nazis and you wash your hands of it, then I have to ask you, genuinely, what the fuck else is there? What of Ukraine remains on your hands?everyone dodging the question with the truism that the world is morally grey, as though that applies to a state who’s ideological foundation unashamedly originates with a genocidal movement. I’d say that’s pretty bloody black to me.
Like, I’m not twisting anyone’s arm to answer even if they don’t have one, you could have just chosen not to answer rather than once against broadcasting your pseudo-philosophical justification for going to war-torn Ukraine to party on their weak currency.
>>2830629But the thing is I don't, but living here (and keeping the economy running) also means I indirectly "support it". This is not different btw if I were to live in Russia. Could argue the same with Rusich and Kolchak statues, or the Kremlin cracking down on the KPRF. Why not argue my Russian friends are also "supporting" this by continuing to live and work in Russia? Where is this morally pure country where we are supposed to move to where we can live free of sin?
The world is "morally grey" and ambiguous. Most of life is about banal things, and not these cosmic eschatological struggles, which most don't really care about. There's not going to be any historical event which resolves life's ambiguity, grief, everyday struggles, etc other than perhaps the end of humanity itself.
I know you've mentioned why you care about this conflict, but do you really think Ukraine "losing" is going to make any difference to your life? Will the UK government and the British bourg stop shelling out billions on new weapons? I doubt it.
>>2830662Like I said the last time, just because something isn’t
directly affecting you personally doesn’t mean that you can’t have an opinion on it. It doesn’t need to change my life immediately to justify thinking the Ukrainian state prevailing with the ideological foundations it has and the legitimacy it has received from the West is best avoided.
If an opinion can only be warranted if the outcome directly and significantly affects you like “you don’t have to go to work tomorrow”, then you’re saying essentially
only conflicts of interest are valid. Which does rather explain why you keep thinking living and loving in Ukraine uniquely places you in this thread as a rational voice, rather than perhaps the most biased of all.
And tbh I think the bias on anti-Russian anons is evident based on the senseless inconsistency in making two overlapping points, that being
>Ukraine’s Neo-Nazi problem is overstated by AI generated Russian propaganda and is in fact no different to any other country
>The world is morally grey, it’s just some symbolism anyway, it doesn’t matter and no one cares except some losers on the internet
if one genuinely believes the Neo-Nazism problem in Ukraine is made up, there’s no need to then also throw the problematic nature of Neo-Nazism into muddy water.
>>2830686I'm not sure if everyone being morally grey tells us anything anyway
It doesnt really tell us why the war happened or what we should do about it
I think clearly the 2008 crisis unleashed regression in Ukraine that led down a path of rebirth through civil war. That divided the country and the region, and that rebirth intersected with a Western liberal attempt at one
I'm not sure how much this parallels Russia partially rehabilitating Whites after 1991 in its awkward, vacillating handling of communist history.
>>2830599>Most "historical events" are like this.if by being "like this" you mean they are just pointless death fests sure but I think things like the frontlines being basically frozen for years in this case make this one particulary nothingburger-ish, like there is not even a facade of historical change
when the war started everyone was like "omg history is so back!!", that reaction seems very silly now, at least to me
>>2830695I think the difference for Russia is that their resurgent nationalist bourgeoisie wanted a do-over on its recent communist history and weave an alternative history where Russia was fettered by communism and that a White victory would have propelled Russia to new heights.
This is essentially the tale all nascent bourgeois classes told across the former-Soviet and ex-Warsaw Pact nations, but while that narrative is successful in Poland where they got to piggy back off of being absorbed into the single market with the “opportunities” that provided as “proof” that communism was holding Poland back, it’s unsuccessful in Russia where its power and unity (something nationalists claim they provide) has only waned in the post-Soviet era and thus Russia now has to reconcile the fact that in modern history Russia was at its peak during communism, not under Tsarism nor Neo-Whitism.
Ukraine’s problem is different, the country as it is now recognised was founded basically within the USSR and thus their nationalists are not only concerned with presenting an alternative history where a Ukraine would be crazy awesome if not for communism, but that its existence is even tenable in a post-Soviet world when it wasn’t
really existent in the immediate pre-Soviet world. So this conflict for ultranationalists is desirable because, if nothing else, it finally gets people outside of Ukraine to listen to them when they say it’s not “The” Ukraine and it’s not “basically” Russia and in fact they hate them, was genocided by them, have a different style of collar on their traditional shirt, would have much preferred to be on the losing side of the Eastern Front, etc
>>2830731why even bring poland into it when you know nothing about poland - for us whites and reds are two indistinguishable bands of savages who wanted exactly the same savagery except under slightly different banners (which is historically correct, mind you)
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) >>2830695Actually, forget all
>>2830731 because I’m getting ahead of myself. That particular anon showed up in Ukraine because he was bored and essentially became a sex tourist, claiming the world is morally grey is therefore an obvious excuse for himself.
>>2830686I'm not saying there are no nazis here (considering I ran into a "pagan art" aficionado myself a while ago). I'm saying that a few nazis do not define all of Ukraine anymore than Kolchak statues, Rusich and a KPRF crackdown make Russia a wholly fascistic anti-communist "regime". It's not incompatible either with claiming some of it is exaggerated. (on both sides)
>>2830715No I mean in the sense that "nothing ever happens". These events are not the transcendental world ending transformations they're made out to be. Regardless if "big arrows" made a return.
>>2830695It's a counter to the idea this is some grand struggle between good and evil. When average people either don't think in those terms, or don't care at all.
>>2830668Who said you can't have an opinion on it? I'm asking why you're invested, and what difference you think Ukraine losing (or "winning") would make to your own life. I'm not saying I'm unbiased either. There's no objective point of view to assume here.
>then you’re saying essentially only conflicts of interest are validIf it's not relevant to lived experience, why care at all? I critique religious fanatics, nationalists (hoomins vs orcs) and the like for the same reason. They're narratives that have very little to do with everyday life (hyperreal and all that).
>>2830739I dunno why you cling to this "sexpat" angle. I've hooked up in other places too, that doesn't make you a sexpat. It's not pussy or dick that I'm here for, and it's not the reason why I've decided to stay either.
so, how's it going? collapse imminent 4 real this time?
>>2830734you are promoting the Nazi-fabricated 'double genocide theory', your historical education in poland is largely anti-communist propaganda created for the benefit of NATO and other countries who do not care about you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_genocide_theory >>2830763>I dunno why you cling to this "sexpat" angle. I've hooked up in other places tooNah this is a wind up isn’t it?
>>2830773Russia is reeling from strikes on their oil infrastructure, matter of months before putin gets tired of sitting in a chair watching xir country getting fucked and throws the towel
>>2830734>why even bring poland into it when you know nothing about poland - for us whites and reds are two indistinguishable bands of savages who wanted exactly the same savagery except under slightly different banners (which is historically correct, mind you)That's not true and you know it. Poland was given borders that stopped the wars with neighbors and was saved from genocide. Further, if you ask the conservatives the WP protected it from a wave of cultural liberalism that makes Poland trail socially behind today and if you ask liberals the country spited backwardness to achieve such as in the domain of women and education.
Neither will admit a truth, which is the Soviet Union created the basis of the modern Polish state. Whatever you believe about PRL, it inadvertently created the state that could transition to bourgeois democracy once Europe got its shit together. The second republic was always a weak basis for it. The Soviet legacy created modern states where there was weak history of them, which you cannot say of Tsarism.
>/ukr/ thread simulator
>butthurt mod vandalizes OP to push a general that hasn't existed for a year
>NATO uighurs pretending Russia lost or Ukraine won
>butthurt belters pushing Nazi propaganda
>"Ukraine aren't Nazis! Russia are the real Nazis!"
>"Russia started this war"
>"Russia should've let Nazis do a genocide"
>Russia advances, but it's actually completely irrelevant, trust NATO
>When will Cucktin launch the nukes?
>you are falsifying Marx. No, you are falsifying Marx!
>you're a nationalist. No you're a nationalist!
>gore posting
>war video posting
>actual news
>sourceless "news"
Ah… the history in motion.
>>2830806russia has so much oil a few pin pricks dont have much affect
>>2830780what's any of this got to do with holocaust?
>>2830865the fuck are you talking about? soviet union was the same colonial prison of nations as imperial russia, the only difference between them is one was led by a bunch of jews the other by a bunch of germans
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) and they would have incorporated us and try to sovietize us if they could have
and this is what any pole will tell you not some nonsense about new heights after a white victory
So it has been revealed recently to the surprise of absolutely no one that a big part of why Russia can’t fully prevent Ukraine’s supposed wunderwaffen drones is simply that they’re launched from civilian lorries. Likewise, it has been revealed that far from these drones being Ukrainian, they’re (again to the surprise of no one) guided by Palantir (as well as using Starlink and flying largely through NATO airspace to reach targets far from the front).
I think “humiliation” is a pretty stupid metric in war, but there must be some sense of embarrassment when you have Zelensky and other figures boasting of an unstoppable game changer that has completely flummoxed Moscow, only for it to turn out that they’re once again just endangering civilians for peremogas?
How many more times are Ukraine going to “turn the tables” on Russia with their ingenious use of war crimes before people accept they’re backing Slavic ISIS?
>>2830917i'm perfectly fine with that, thanks for asking
as i matter of fact i would support ukrainians even more if everytime a civilian building gets hit in ukraine they retaliated the very next day by droning a civilian bulding somewhere in volga basin so that actual russians get to taste the terror of war
before you ask - yes, i realize this would have absolutely no influence on russian side and is a terrible waste of resources but i believe they ought to retaliate as a matter or principle
>>2830907Hardly. Tsarist Russia was part of a joint aristocratic occupation of Poland. Soviet Russia built the Polish state that had always struggled to emerge from the mess left by empires. It was reliant on one man, Pilsudski, and permanently in conflict with neighbors. There would be no modern Poland without socialism. The way the USSR solved the question of the nation-state in the east is why the EU and NATO could even expand in the first place. In the case of Ukraine, we can see where their models fail to solve nationality issues.
>>2830928muscovites were nothing but asiatic invaders. they tried invading multiple times and failed time and time again until they finally succeed partitioning poland.
soviets were nothing but asiatic invaders. they tried and failed invading on their own, they only succeeded when germans did all the heavy lifting.
not a single difference.
soviets have no input on polish affairs, it's a completely different civilization.
pilsudskis was a terrible politician, the only thing he did right was chase soviets back to asia first time they tried invading.
Cockholes should have genocided more /pol/yps
>>2830923>>2830926They’re not endangering their own civilians by using civilian transport for drone launches as something retaliatory towards Russia. It’s just revealing that even with Ukraine’s last card to play in “forcing” Russia into a drone war, they need to resort to disguising their launchers as civilian trucks, violating the airspace of other countries (who may or may not approve) for hundreds of kilometres and ultimately depend on American tech bro corporations to guide the drones for this to be workable.
So far from masterfully succeeding in trapping Russia into a situation where Ukraine has the upper hand, they’ve put themselves in a position that depends entirely on circumstances they don’t control. Russia is now targeting lorries, Ukrainian drones keep crashing in the Baltics and Finland or at least raising alarms, while tech bros are exceedingly fickle about where they put their investments and are particularly weary of bad PR like if their systems are associated with civilian casualties due to dodgy AI targeting.
>>2830954>hey need to resort to disguising their launchers as civilian trucksfirst one of those attacks was widely covered they used russian spedition
>Russia is now targeting lorries,cruising in russia? i doubt that
>>2830957Operation Spiderweb took over a year and a half to pull off, using a civilian lorry worked as a disguise but smuggling everything into Russia to get close to the target was the bottleneck that violating NATO airspace solves.
Basically Spiderweb didn’t break enough rules, more rules needed to be broken to let Ukraine’s drones really shine.
>>2830715>when the war started everyone was like "omg history is so back!!", that reaction seems very silly nowyeah you're missing the point, history is back because the empire hegemony is crumbling enough it can be openly defied in a large scale conventional war in europe, revealing its weakness and internal dissensions, and the possibility for an advanced economy to survive separation from the west thanks to china rise. ukraine in itself is irrelevant, its the context. Frontline could stay frozen for eternity and this war would still be a major historical turn
>>2830734lmao, nice job proving his point retard, once again showing the polish nation is apparently irredeemably reactionary
>>2830763>few nazis do not define all of Ukraine >few nazisnatotards really so much in denial they're being like "ofc there are a few nazis but its just the chief of police, the chief of the army, and the chief of the secret service! and our national heroes and the basis of our nationhood in our national myth! its almost nothing really!"
>>2830763>They're narratives that have very little to do with everyday life oh yeah, I'm sure all those billions spent in weapons for ukraine justifying big cuts to social services and the increased energy prices wont have any effect at all on my everyday life!
fucking moron
>>2830907>>2830934so now we have a polish polyp posting here too huh
>>2830940>According to Reuters, Russia's oil and gas revenues for May 2026 increased by 32.4% compared to May 2025, despite significantly intensified Ukrainian missile and drone attacks on oil and gas infrastructure.:-O
>>2830763>It's a counter to the idea this is some grand struggle between good and evil. When average people either don't think in those terms, or don't care at allThe point is regression is wildly uneven so as to created unshared culpability in this war and approach that 'good and evil' dichotomy that Nazis create. The Russian state never partially collapsed and relied on a far right volunteer army to win a civil war. Its population doesn't rehabilitate WW2 racial crusaders whose lost cause battle now continues today, in the eyes of those volunteers.
The reason the regression is uneven is wildly different relations to Soviet collapse and the capitalist transition. Ukraine's uniquely failed and it was uniquely driven, by rulers of the world, to go after whatever is left of its Soviet history to force its transition through. This put neoliberalism and nazis together in a de facto alliance that reshaped NATO, which is an existential threat to Russia and Russians.
The root of the problem is Western and Ukrainian decline has driven them towards a nasty kind of revisionism of other regions and people to save themselves. Whatever shades of grey I sensed in the 2000s has been slanted ever since.
>>2831324>Its population doesn't rehabilitate WW2 racial crusaders whose lost cause battle now continues today,They by and large don't do this here. I can't recall the last time my friends in Russia brought up Kolchak or Rusich either. (In fact I don't recall them every having done so)
So generally at best you can argue that the state and a minority do try to rehabilitate anti-communist reactionaries (Czars and White Generals included). But this hardly defines either Ukraine or Russia as a whole.
>Existential threatThe war could be lost tomorrow and Russia and Russians would be fine. Can you explain to me how my friends in Moscow would be negatively affected and threatened by Ukraine "winning"?
That's the issue with these grand narratives in general, maybe these events appear to mean a lot historically, but on a personal level they're hardly the transcendental transformations they're made out to be. I know and have known people who have served, I know people who have lost friends and family members. I know people who have had to flee because of the war, but generally that's the extend of the hardship and transformation in their personal lives.
There's no Armageddon, there's no Titanomachy. Frontlines move or stagnate and people's personal lives are inconvenienced whilst others profit off it. But there's no eschaton in any of this.
People in Crimea and Donetsk still have to get up for work in the morning. There's no existential threat other than Bankova losing their kickbacks and the Kremlin being embarrassed. Nor is there much of a militant revolutionary communist mass movement on either side.
>>2830998Syrskyi's is a nazi? Khmara is a nazi? Vyhivskyi's a nazi? Is Russia fundamentally anti-communist and reactionary because they build monuments and churches honoring the Romanovs?
>>2831252Unscheduled maintenance performed by Ukrainian drones, more like.
>>2831367zelya is honoring oun-m. get a grip.
>Russia is fundamentally anti-communist
>the state that still has a communist party
>unlike ukraine
>that didn't ban all communist parties.
>all socialist parties.
>even left-wing parties.
>that? that's progressive!
>>2831377
the likes of him eventually retort to the collaborationist party card.
as if the bortherlands were the least reactionary path in this discussion.
>>2831384It’s quite ironic of them considering basically all western communist parties are
at best pressure groups on the lib centrist party and usually seek legitimisation from them by participating in dragging AES through the mud.
>>2831415>factionTut tut they should do the correct western thing and split a thousand times a year
>>2831420>the national socialists who reject class struggle are just one faction of the party broright, why don't you just join United Russia, at this point even Putin is not as much as a cuck as mls who are a minority in this fascist joke of a party
>>2831423Article in the screenshot says faction my dude, trying to present that as the
only opinion in the KPRF is solely on you.
>>2831374>the state that still has a communist partyYou might as well argue the same for much of the west, but something tells me you won't.
>>2831373As opposed to turning a blind eye to Rusich and quoting Ivan Illyn? Why does Bankova cracking down on communists matter, but not the Kremlin doing the same to the KRPF? Why make a big deal about the OUN and Bandera, but not Kolchak, the Romanovs and Grigory Zass? Is it because admitting it's the same issue would collapse your entire Manichaeist worldview?
>most Russian Nazis go to fight for Ukraine against Russia
>b-b-b-but MUH RUSICH, THO?!
Seems like this recent increase in Ukrainian attacks suspiciously close to NATO airspace and Western MSM glazing such attacks as table turning is intended to place civic pressure on the Russian state to accept Zelensky’s renewed demand to givas ceasefire, which if granted would be a miracle for Ukraine right now as the Russian military has apparently breached the last major urban settlement in Donetsk oblast.
I question the efficacy of this though, because surely the all but confirmed use of NATO airspace serves only to vindicate the Russian state’s assertion that NATO does indeed pose an intentional threat to Russia, something NATO and NAFOids have denied for years.
The biggest irony is that Finland appears to already be a part of this corridor for Ukrainian drones so soon after joining NATO, posing the exact same threat to St Petersburg that ultimately sparked the Winter War and yet we’re to expect that Russians are to sympathise with a shitty drone re-enactment of the Siege of Leningrad and demand Putin surrender to NATO, because….?
And do read the open letter to Putin that Zelensky posted to Xitter, it's probably the most "the emperor has no clothes on" moment he's had in this entire conflict. It's page after page of making assertions that either aren't true, are irrelevant or are vastly more applicable to Ukraine.
I'd greentext some highlights but honestly the entire thread is just a list of all the things that Zelensky needs to be true for tearing up the peace deal in 2022 to have been remotely worth it.
As a taster I'd offer
>We brought the war onto your territory, and you would not have been able to cope with it without North Korea’s help. You are the first ruler of Russia to turn to Pyongyang for assistance
simply because it demonstrates how self-destructive Ukraine's mindset is; there's the peremoga of "We brought the war onto your territory" followed by the non-admission of defeat of "and you would not have been able to cope with it" and finally bizarre chauvinism despite being defeated with "You are the first ruler of Russia to turn to Pyongyang for assistance".
That's no doubt a sick burn according to people who are already support Zelensky specifically, but for anyone else (especially the Russian population this open letter is actually directed at) it just sounds like he's a bit of a pointless cunt, which is not what you want if you're petitioning them to demand surrender. If I was pro-Ukrainian and I rightfully had my reservations about Zelensky's leadership (as so many do), then I'd find him mentioning Kursk at all to be concerning, let alone his refusal to accept it was a poor idea.
Putinista bros?
>>2831376Why no nazi in nordics? Finland literally sieged Leningrad.
what's this about a cuck shed being hit by an oreshnik somewhere? has the last glove finally come off?
>>2831684Bro literally is about to agree peace with Ukraine, the ones he was calling nazis and not democratically elected lol
>>2831622so Ukraine gets unprecedented amounts of assistance at every level from the West, so they can lose slowly rather than quickly, and that shows ebin resilience and is a virtuous triumph.
Meanwhile, Russia has gotten some (rather marginal) help from one of its friends and that's an embarrassing disgrace somehow. Zelensky should retire already. His term expired a while ago and he's drunk.
>>2831415This is how fascism was originally born In a way lmao
>>2831457>You might as well argue the same for much of the west, but something tells me you won't.oh yes, many western countries need a de-nazification process, too.
but this time Russia won't be saving europe from them. why? so europe gets salty again and pretend they were the bad guys?
and I bet you aren't ready for that conversation either.
> to RusichRusich doesn't get the head of the state honoring them, praising them, giving them medals.
cope.
>>2831377
>second most powerful
<at 4% numbers of deputees in parliament
This is lower than Japan, IIRC
>>2831815>>2831377Oh, sorry. Google says it's ~13%. Well, I was misled by the Communist presidential candidate having very low numbers
>>2831772>de-nazificationYou mean the one that involves hitting infrastructure instead of prominent known nazis? Dmytro Yarosh status? Oleh Tyahnybok status?
>Rusich doesn't get the head of the state honoring them, praising them, giving them medals.No they honor the Romanovs, Ivan Illyn and Grigory Zass instead kek.
Anyway, how many neonazi groups did the Soviets have fighting for them?
>>2831894You really think worshipping genocidal fascists is the same as espousing sympathy for a deposed monarch?
>>2831897Remind me of what happened to the Circassians?
>>2831900Russian Empire was genocidal, yeah. USSR wasn't, though
>>2831900>No they honor the RomanovsWe’re talking about this part
Hitler's worst crime might actually have been not following through with Generalplan Ost and genociding the P*les/B*lts/Cz*chs/H*hols
>>2831932Five of those were foreign owned and crewed
Suspected Ukrainian drone explodes in Romanian port>The unmanned vessel, resembling the MAGURA V5 model used by Kiev, detonated near Constanta’s oil terminal, while more drones have been reported in the areahttps://swentr.site/russia/641038-romania-port-drone-explosion/Yes hitting random civilian ships is absolutely flawless, scattergunning the oceans with drones is a brilliant idea when you’re not subject to international law.
I fell into a coma on january 6 2022. Can someone tell me who is winning?
I don’t think you can put Ukraine back in its box after this btw, I don’t see how you can give ultranationalists immunity based on their own victimhood narrative during the conflict and then expect to rescind that after its conclusion.
Say the conflict ends officially but you still get tankers being blown up and naval drones crashing into civilian ports, what’s NATO going to do? How do they police the seas and the skies without making Ukraine public enemy no.1?
>>2831955The NATO-Russo Coalition has successfully contained the growing power of Ukraine through privatization, and war respectively.
>>2831959I think Ukraine can still win against the Krauto-Mongol hordes
>>2831963It hasn’t happened, but you’re certain that it could happen and so it has happened.
Ukraine collapse status?
Zelensky is gonna concede
Death to NATO and its dogs
>>2831415That position is correct. Marxism in the 21st century is either
un anti-americanisme primaire or nothing at all
>>2831963a guy who's dead, a guy who barely made it into politics, a guy who only western retort, in a country where nazism has only been influenced by the west, and its intelligence countries.
find better material.
>>2831938"I'm totally a leftist, but Hitler didn't go far enough!!"
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