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where the hell is everyone
>>2833720It's start of summer, sunday and Iran just bombed Israel.
Oh no no zisters, the Pro-EU party won in Armenia. How do we cope? Please I need talking points
>>2833893CSTO is not even worth using as toilet paper. And no wonder their arms exports are rapidly declining as well. Russia is only useful as oil merchant now.
>>2833893Yeah by arresting all the opposition candidates who would have won a majority together. Amazing democracy, you really need talking points for that one.
>>2833938It looks like he fell just short of a majority despite the rigging, and far short of a constitutional majority, so he can't (legally) change the constitution. and overall he lost some seats compared to last time.
He may be in a weaker position than yesterday though it may not amount to much. best case he goes on as a minor annoyance for another five years. worst case it becomes a mini ukraine and gets a shrinking country, growing graveyards and economic immiseration for everyone except the elites. It will almost definitely lose more land now (to azerbaijan, not russia).
If an opposition wants to depose an epstein puppet via election they really have to coalition behind one candidate to have any chance.
>>2833953>an epstein puppetuh nice one, this is going to my vocab
If Armenia had voted overwhelmingly for a pro-Russia party, then the NAFO talking point would be
>lol nice ally you’ve got there
>>2833720I was at the pool
Reasons to nuke Kiev:
- Zelensky and all his friends die
- All Bandera statues in Kiev get incinerated
- The Ukrainian military completely collapses and they surrender once they realize Cucktin has taken off the kid gloves
- US and Europe are forced to back down and to stop launching a billion proxy wars against Russia now that they've realized that they finally pushed too hard
- What's left of the Russian military gets to live instead of being fed into a never ending meat grinder against NATO Skynet
- Ukranian nationalism will be dead for the next century, as they will forever be remembered as the absolute retards who got millions of their people killed, simply for not complying with a reasonable Russian request to not join NATO
- Armenians will stop being traitors and become Russia's ally again
Reasons to not nuke Kiev
- It would make Champagne, Leftkkkoms, Grillpilled, and a lot of other people who are very invested in and hoping for a Russian defeat really really really really mad
Any questions?
>>2833989Does it leave the kids unmolested Spurdo? I know that’s something of real interest to you.
>>2833989Why would 4,6 and 7 (lol) happen ?
4 doesn't care because not my problem
6 it would reinforce ukrainian "nationalism", they would just hide in the US waiting for the next russian collapse (that may never happen tbf)
7 aaaah please amerikkka save my hide
>>2834014Because he’s a concern troll who presumably wants Russia to live up to all accusations NATO expansion is predicated on.
Russian forever war lmao
>>2833715i don't get the meme tbh
>>2833893armenia doesnt matter. how is it a win for the west when nato and the eu are at their weakest point?
>>2833893Last time Armenia was pro-West, they got genocided by Turks after a double penetration from Turkey and Azerbaijan (after Armenia declared war on both)
>>2834022Ukrainian number one goal is to not look like losers and stall any calls for negotiations. They can always lie about their losses in men and equipment, but they can't lie about lost towns for very long. They can just hope that they can distract the world with something else.
>>2833989>Nuke Kyiv>Bunch of family members of Russians and Russian speakers in Ukraine dieAssuming it's summer where you live; why not go outside, enjoy the weather and touch some grass?
>Kostyantynivka almost taken.
mmm. chugging delicious nato tears.
Nafoids screamed for a month or two that Ukraine was advancing now and taking more land than Russia. Remind me where supposedly happened, since I hear nothing from it anymore.
>>2834859So true, I was malding this morning, completely inconsolable. Went out and everyone was hysterical.
>>2834981Net territorial gains. I still see articles pop up about it
>>2834981It didn't happen. They were lying like they always are about everything. Some ukrainians running into a gray zone to take photos and then run away, so they can claim conquests and have corrupt mappers move lines.
>>2835377I think with just the Ukrainian refugees, Russia has been gaining population from this war. Not even to talk about any captured territories.
>>2834280Huh. How long did Nazi Germany last after they started executing deserters?
>>2835152Well there’s plenty of consolation prizes being offered up by Kiev tbh, that attack on the school in Lugansk seems pretty popular and in any case you told us that everyone in Lvov thinks the east of Ukraine is a shithole not worth dying for anyway.
It’s all very nicely handled by Kiev’s PR department, no one can dispute hiring a TV production company as a wartime government was a good idea to that end.
Remember that factory in Chuvashia that Ukraine definitely didn’t miss with a Flamingo? They hit it for realsies this time, with photos confirming NAFO needn’t insist the factory is inside a shopping centre this time.
>>2835526>that attack on the school in Lugansk seems pretty popular No not really. Most people focus on their daily lives and aren't emotionally invested in particular strikes, battles, sections of the front line etc. I doubt my Russian friends can pinpoint Konstantynivka (or however it's spelled) on a map either.
>everyone in Lvov thinks the east of Ukraine is a shithole not worth dying for anyway.Not what I said. At least for the "shithole" part.
Zisters, the smo has gone on longer than WWI. When will the tsar allow us to call it a war? Gospodin Zelensky allowed us a parade, maybe he can give us permission to call the smo a war?
Attacks on TCC recruiters have increased recently, glad to see there's still some uncucked ukrainians out there.
>>2835661What did you say then?
>>2835495>Ukrainian collapse any moment nowgeg
>>2835714I was thinking more about lasting longer than actual Nazis.
Notice how ziggers don't even post about what's actually happening in the war anymore. I bet they don't even check the news anymore. They only gloat about genocide and depopulation. If you want to understand how Nazism happened, just look at modern day ziggers and you'll understand.
>>2836619for the ukrainian people that is
>>2835733hasan is a russia supporter just like all the other grifters are
Pro-Ukrainian twitter is celebrating Crimea no longer being a peninsula but instead an island, after Ukraine supposedly blew all the bridges connecting Crimea to Kherson.
Obviously, this means the Beach Party is now officially cancelled. Presumably, the situation in Donetsk is considered by Kiev to be lost and they’re already focusing on opposing Russia’s soon-to-be-renewed focus on Kherson and Zaporozhihiizhzizhiia oblasts
>>2836575>Notice how ziggers don't even post about what's actually happening in the war anymore.Konstatynovka is about to fall. Syrsky has already sacked the commanders responsible. RF is entering Lyman. Kramatorsk is within artillery range, Ukraine has begun the evacuation of civilians from Kramatorsk and Slovyansk. Most recent UA counter attack in Dnipro has failed.
Am I forgetting something?
>>2836653Check when the war started and if it is still going on
so some euro ambassadors from uk, france and germany are in moscow to talk to the russians. what do you think they're there to do?:
- agree to russia's terms and end the war
- demand an unconditional ceasefire/frozen conflict on current lines again
- threaten the russians with more sanctions, drones and deep strikes if they don't surrender to ukraine.
- insult the russians in person and declare the west's eternal superiority before returning to the garden
- other
>>2836794answer is 5, they're wasting time
>>2836797NATO communism will win.
>>2836794- Because the Kramatorsk amalgamation is currently falling and during such pivotal moments NATO always gives Russia the option to surrender before it’s too late and they succeed.
A lot of the recent increase in attacks can be attributed to this. There’s always a spike in asymmetrical warfare to attempt threatening Russia out of achieving a victory that has been fought for at the front for months or even years, by suggesting that such attacks will become the new norm if Russia doesn’t arbitrarily withdraw from where they’re currently succeeding.
At the same time, the threats are quite hollow because such escalations are expensive (or even self-harming) to maintain as the new norm.
>>2836810
12 more years.
>>2836797He was from an aristocrat family who happened to be high ranking free masons as well, belonging to the worst international masonic sect with strong ties to fascism, anglo neocons/neolibs, far-right NATO stay behind orgs and all sorts of anti-communists. One doesn't need to know more about this supposed "communist" (and most so called "eurocommunists").
>>2836817As their current pace is so slow RUAF need probably more than a year minimum to reach and capture Kramatorsk.
Ukrainian collapse status? What's the next big thing to be hyped that once it falls kiev will demolish bandera monuments and NATO will send official apologies? Upcoming supermassive Russian offensive to finish the job?
Russian supply lines are getting genocided 200km in.
What gives?
>>2836961I don't remember you talking about Ukrainian supply lines getting genocided ever, even though Russia was doing this for years by now, 20 or 200 km deep into Ukraine
>>28367942,3,4,5
They're also there to get backroom deals/keep the previous ones going
>>2836915Unless you're Venezuela though. Then you're cucking out immediately
European envoys meet Russian deputy FM on Ukraine>Moscow has said Britain, France, and Germany cannot demand a role in peace talks while arming and backing Kiev<The conference with Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Galuzin reportedly lasted around 90 minutes. French Ambassador Nicolas de Riviere said afterwards that the conversation had gone well, while the British and German envoys declined to comment.>The Russian Foreign Ministry said that during the meeting, Galuzin accused the three governments of pursuing a “destructive policy” aimed at pushing Kiev to keep fighting Russia “on behalf of, at the expense of and with the direct assistance” of the Western “coalition of the willing.”<The British Embassy in Moscow said the ambassadors had condemned Russia’s alleged “escalation and intensified disinformation campaigns” and outlined a recent E3 declaration backing Vladimir Zelensky’s call for direct ceasefire talks with Russia involving the US and Europe.https://swentr.site/russia/641443-eu-russia-ukraine-talks/Welp, there's your answer.
It appears that Kaja Kallas’ position is being made redundant.
People claim that’s indicative of how incompetent she was, but I’m not sure because it was entirely intentional to have someone in a militarily irrelevant position from a militarily irrelevant country constantly promoting escalations and making “friendly, advisory” threats towards countries not actively participating in said escalations, she was very competent at that.
>>2837722Lmao, I think that’s one of the saddest aspects of this conflict though, we’re so much closer to open war between NATO and Russia than most of the Cold War and we’re being dragged into that by leaders who are chronically unpopular.
But it just goes to show how pervasive Russophobia is, that brutally despised leadership is basically irrelevant compared to nuclear brinkmanship with Russia, that’s not something people need to be led towards by a trusted leader with a mission, but just the default unless you’re a Putinist.
>>2837734really? not the casualties inc. civilian? it's a bunch of savages being slightly cross with us that is the biggest tragedy here?
>>2837722>Zelensky CursePour one out for all the fallen:
BoJo
Truss
Sunak
Biden
Harris
Sanna Marin
Yoon Suk Yeol
Olaf Scholz
Mario Draghi
Evika Siliņa
Kaja Kallas
Starmer, Merz, Macron (soon)
>>2837842Looks like a single-use RPG and I guess is the same idea of a small lightweight secondary weapon that doesn’t replace anyone’s primary weapon.
Currently for shotguns they use the Saiga or some Baikal civilian semi-auto, but that’s replacing an AK for a soldier whereas I presume this doesn’t.
>>2837842Can't they just make a shotgun round that scatters even more than that? I mean I feel like this thing is more for morale than actual effectiveness lol. Why not have it be an autoshotty with 20 rounds or whatever.
>>2837867An AK weighs 3.7kg, only barely more than double what this thing weighs, it's not exactly light despite how shitty it looks.
>>2837876An AK isn’t just the rifle, it’s also magazines, rounds and webbing to hold it all which probably doubles that weight. If this Dronefaust is 1.8kgs plus the negligible weight of a few shotgun shells (if it’s like an airforce drilling rifle, then like five shells concealed in the stock), then nah it’s a substantially lighter weight option compared to just arming everyone with both a rifle and a semiautomatic shotgun.
>Day 1.570 of the 2 day SVO
Why are fascists always so bad at war? Is it a shared bad gene in russian people and german people?
>>2837892That’s not a AK rifle, perhaps such a thing could be produced but a lot of rifles I’ve seen are using silencers/compensators which likely means an under barrel shotgun is not possible.
Not sure what that model is specifically, but the MasterKey is nearly a Kg heavier and both increases the length of the gun and means you’ve now got 2.6kgs hanging off the front of your gun.
Plus it’s all the expensive parts of a shotgun as well, it’s just missing a stock and a longer barrel, making it far more costly than a single shot break action which may have to be dumped in a critical moment.
>>2837900I don't understand why the military pennypinches so much on infantry equipment. Surely it costs tens of thousands to train a soldier, way more than that if we include their entire education, but they won't give them the equipment to survive because it costs a few thousand extra? They can spend billions on wunderwaffles.
Apparently under barrel shotguns are too short to hit anything though. So I guess that's not gonna work. But still, surely they could at least put a few more rounds into this thing, maybe a handle?? It's like the Sten, in a bad way.
>>2837904And wait, the barrel on that thing is super short anyway! So it's also gonna be inaccurate as fuck.
>>2837904For something like this you have to consider it more of a tool than a weapon, as in it’s not what the soldier depends on in most circumstances, but gives them an option in an “oh shit” scenario. And for the cost of 1.8kgs apparently some piping pinched from a construction site, more soldiers can be given an option in the “oh shit” scenario of an FPV drone suddenly appearing where they previously wouldn’t have had.
I doubt this even replaces the current circumstance of some squads having a dedicated shotgunner, but you can’t start reducing the amount of riflemen in all squads because shooting down drones isn’t the entire job, they’ve still got to do whatever the mission was before Freddie FPV appears.
>>2837907Apparently Russian arms companies are trying to make anti drone shotgun bullets for the AK also. That seems like a much better idea to me, but I guess it's sensible to try multiple options.
>>2837913It’s a promising idea but it’d also reduce the amount of regular rounds a soldier has because they’d have to keep at least a mag of anti-drone rounds, and if a drone appears then first thing is dropping their currently loaded mag which might be full and might be lost after the drone has been shot down.
>>2837911To me I feel like I would rather not even carry the thing, 1.8kg for something that's basically useless isn't that small. I would rather just spam my rifle in the air, if I'm not gonna hit anything anyway.
I just think that it's kind of crazy for Russia to be thinking about making "last days of the Third Reich" kind of weapons. Do they seriously not have the industrial capacity to do better?
>>2837917I mean surely it isn't that hard to switch your current mag instead of dropping it. Even if you do drop it, just pick it up, if you're in a trench it's not like it's gonna go that far. And a loaded mag only weighs about 0.8kg, you could get two anti drone mags for the weight of this thing.
Idk I'm just an armchair commentator here, all I can say is as an average dumbass, this thing would just make me feel insulted. Maybe it actually works really well, I don't know.
>>2837918It’s just countering drones can’t replace or hinder the ability of a rifleman, 1.8kg isn’t weightless but it’s still lighter and less obtrusive than other options and if the weight does become a problem then dumping it isn’t much of an expense.
I know it seems like a cheap way and nasty solution, but then so are FPV drones themselves and reducing the general combat effectiveness of each soldier by augmenting their existing kit to be drone hunters is still a victory for the FPV drone even if they never achieve another kill.
>>2837923All rational points, the problem is being shocked by a drone suddenly appearing means rationality goes out the window. If you’re walking through tall grass or mud or brush and a drone appears, all you will care about is getting that magazine of anti-drone loaded, you won’t be making sure you remember where you lobbed your loaded mag of regular rounds.
>>2837374As a wise man once said:
>Fool me once, shame on you>Fool me twice, shame on me<Fool me fifteen times, fucking execute the guy he's a lifetime criminalActually tbh this is how you know Russia is a real dictatorship. Slavs value strength in their leaders but this soyboy weakling goes on national television constantly crying about how the West fooled him. If Russia had been a real democracy he would have already been murdered or couped one week after one of these retarded videos were released.
>>2837945Go easy Spurdo, it is Russia day after all
>>2837904>I don't understand why the military pennypinches so much on infantry equipmentLMAO do you not know?
Ziggers are sent to battle and die within minutes of reaching the front. Most never even make it. There's a reason Ukraine publishes endless montage videos of ziggers losing their lives.
Why spend money on training disposable worthless meat?
>>2837904>I don't understand why the military pennypinches so much on infantry equipment. Surely it costs tens of thousands to train a soldier, way more than that if we include their entire education, but they won't give them the equipment to survive because it costs a few thousand extra? It's because Capitalism is not just an economic system it is a religion that demands human sacrifice, and the ruling elites of capitalist countries care far less about "winning" or "losing" wars (since they all hang out together at exclusive tourist resorts that ban the plebs/proles from entering, like Epstein's island) and just derive simple Satanic enjoyment from killing off their poor people for pointless bullshit made up reasons.
Unfortunately this board is atheist and simply can't fathom any analysis outside of
>le interimperialist wars >>2837842private industry really cant build shit lol
>>2837993cope, your army of deserters is worse
>>2837993Russia invaded Ukraine to pressure Kiev into negotiations, which they agreed to immediately and the demand (which multiple accounts claim Kiev agreed to) was just to abide by the Minsk Agreements Kiev had already agreed to.
It was NATO parachuting Boris Johnson in to whisper something in Zelensky's ear which apparently provided him with such confidence, that he tore up the renewed peace agreement and opted for a ground war instead, declaring that ackshually Ukraine will reclaim 1991 borders instead of abiding by Minsk.
When NAFOids suggest that Russia are surprised to be having their oil facilities droned, well probably yes, but they're no doubt equally surprised by how many Ukrainians they've had to put in the ground to get Kiev to abide by a peace agreement
they've already signed. >>2837993Ukrainians dream was to emigrate to the West. They are sending less fortunate Ukrainians to die in the trenches so that tens of millions of Ukrainians escape Ukraine for a better future in the West. It's the quintessential East Europe after Soviet Bloc collapse. Russian mistake was in thinking that Ukrainians have national dignity and that they'd at least want to have a prosperous, independent Ukraine; instead, Ukrainians would rather not have Ukraine on the map at all if it meant that they'd get to anchor themselves in any Western country.
>>2838062>>2837993And what I mean by "Ukrainians' dream" is "Ukrainians' dream as a nation". Ukrainians who escaped are propably silently thanking Putin for pushing the Europe into accepting Ukrainian "refugees" so easily.
i'm hearing ukraine took back crimea? is russia losing the war?
>>2833989>Reasons to nuke Kiev:>Zelensky and all his friends dieZelenskyy isn't in Kiev. He only goes there for photo ops. Zelenskyy lives abroad.
>>2837711>>2837722Kallas is getting removed because van der Leyen wants to steer EU foreign policy. By closing Kallas' office, the Commission will take on that role and van der Leyen is the Commission president. Kallas is the vice-president. For a board of people who consider themselves "politics enjoyers", you don't know a lot about politics.
Kallas was useful as a rabid attack dog, but that also paved the way for her removal, cause nobody wants a rabid dog around. van der Leyen is a smooth operator.
>>2838042>Russia invaded Ukraine to pressure Kiev into negotiations,I think that's like bombing Iran into negotiations.
>When NAFOids suggest that Russia are surprised to be having their oil facilities droned, well probably yeslmao many such cases fuckwad
>>2838084>fuckwadAww that's not like you Gay Nazi.
>>2838081I don't enjoy EU politics
>>2838094Then why comment if you have nothing to say? Sign of a brainlet, to be sure.
>>2838084>I think that's like bombing Iran into negotiationsThat actually might have worked if it had been less aggressive and not killed the Ayotollah. Gunboat diplomacy is an established tactic, its just a question of your touch being light enough to coerce your opponent without triggering their resolve to meet force with force.
>>2838084>I think that's like bombing Iran into negotiations.That's because you're a flaming idiot with terminal liberalism that doesn't understand things. Force sometimes works and sometimes doesn't work. Force is sometimes justified and sometimes not.
Ukraine was engaged in escalating aggression against DNR/LNR in violation of international law. Iran was not engaged in aggression nor was it violating any laws. These things aren't like each other.
Ukraine and Trump are the same thing. The attack on Iran and the attacks on Donbas are the same thing. Ukraine and Israel are the same thing. They are what is "like" each other because all these conflicts are the same conflict.
>>2838198>you don't know a lot about politics.>Sign of a brainlet, to be sure.Yikes, someone has something to prove.
It's relevant to the thread's topic that for one reason or another Kallas' position is being made redundant. Your take, for what it's worth, was pretty insubstantial anyway.
>>2838206I think the difference with Iran is that any conceivable deal they could have made with the US would have still changed absolutely nothing about the US' attempts to isolate and suffocate countries that aren't within its sphere. Whereas for Ukraine, resolving its civil war via Minsk wouldn't preclude its further economic and political integration with the West. At least not any more than the simple lack of desire felt in the West to integrate Ukraine.
>>2838223>Whereas for Ukraine, resolving its civil war via Minsk wouldn't preclude its further economic and political integration with the West. At least not any more than the simple lack of desire felt in the West to integrate Ukraine.It would preclude it because of the disputed territory issue. Resolving that was necessary to get the kind of full integration Ukraine wanted. Ukraine's approach was to wage war to reconquer them. We just recently saw the opposite approach taken by Armenia. There the approach was just to give away the disputed territory.
But this gets back to the "desire in the West". Ukraine didn't really have the option to give away Donbas and Crimea and get its Western integration because the West wanted those territories as part of the deal, and if Russia was preventing their acquisition, the West wanted Ukraine to provoke and fight a war with Russia.
This was the demanded price of integration, and Ukraine agreed to pay it.
"Resolving its civil war via Minsk" of course would have made sense on Ukraine's terms, but it didn't suit the West and therefore would have prevented the "European future" Kyiv had in mind. That future was always a pipe dream though and was only used by the West to maneuver Ukraine into making greater and greater sacrifices for a mirage.
>>2838081VdL is just as embarassing as Kallas, that push comes from the French and at this point it is unclear whether council or commission take those responsibilities if Kallas finally gets sacked. Other than that the EU has no less than 3 presidents, a shitload of vice presidents, 79 official institutions while law and policy is actually created by an army of private and corporate lobbyists, NGOs and such in a totally intransparent manner. As if our national bourgeois governments aren't bad enough we have to deal with this cabal of retarded, thoroughly corrupt EUrocrats and an incredible kafka-esque institutional mess on top of them. There's nothing to enjoy about EU politics at all.
Any info on the ukrainian biolabs
>>2837711>>2837211it seems more a move to ease sanctions after a worry of what it'll be an energy crisis created by the Strait of Hormuz.
lmao, bortherland banderists won't be happy.
>>2838240He's always been insufferable, but never seen him go so low effort with it.
>>2838238You're absolutely right that the integration Euromaidan sought was always a pipe dream and at least on paper the territorial dispute would have been the excuse for why EU membership was impossible, but there must have been something NATO promised Kiev for open warfare to be preferable to just going back to its pre-2014 status as a country that just fell between the gap between Russia and NATO expansion.
Common assumptions are that NATO promised something good, I suspect they promised something bad. Like capitulating to Russia in 2022 would be treated as refusal to break ties with Moscow and thus Kiev would now have Western/IMF financial support rescinded and perhaps even slapped with sanctions.
>>2838252State actors aren't perfectly rational. You don't have much room for maneuver when your entire project has been grown and supported by the western NGO network every step of the way. Tearing yourself off of that is like tearing out your entire vascular system, just not possible. The maidan regime is far more like a parasite sacrificing its host than any functional organism. Suicide comes with the very idea of eurointegration since it inherently comes with massive drain in the most important thing of all, people, especially young people.
>Ukrainian Defense Minister Mykhailo Fedorov said he aims to fill 30-50% of assault and infantry positions with foreigners. https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2026/06/12/8039039/see, when they say '1.5 million Russians soldiers have been killed' it's merely a projection.
and yes, the UA army ceased to exist.
>>2838247>BREAKING: DNI Tulsi Gabbard declassifies documents confirming 40 Ukraine biolabs funded and backed by the US govtOnce again Russian Propaganda turns out true. Why does this keep happening?
>>2833715idk living through WW3 or maybe WW4 is a lot more dull, comic and terrifying than you'd think
>>2838320I CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>2838283It's over for Ukraine, two more weeks till Russian army reaches Poland
Man, why dont ukrainians just give up dude? What are they fighting for?
>>2838720Because Nazis have a tight grip on the country so if they choose to throw the entire population into the meatgrinder, it goes. As for what they are fighting for, the answer is for the sake of western europeans. Even if ukraine "wins" the ukranian people will get nothing worth a damn, the only people that can get anything out of an ukronazi win are euros.
In other words, millions must die for the sake of Pierre and Hans.
>>2833989Kiev is a historic Russian city. Nuke Lvov or some other Austrian pigsty.
>>2838779no it's not: suzdal, vladimir sure, maybe even samara but kiev no shot
>>2838744yeah buddy they already have accession talks with eu, they'll be fine
what could they hope for with russia? poverty, third worldism and satrapy system like belarus or chechnya
>>2838807only fucking nato retards think belarus is a "satrapy" or a vassal of russia, kys imperialsit moron
>>2838818Noone is as retarded as that believing Russia has power to control shit. Hell, they barely control shit inside their borders.
>>2838798Only a fool would surrender East Slavic history to modern Ukraine's schizophrenic nationalist narrative. And even if you advocate for total internationalism, Kiev is Russian speaking.
>>2838807Russia doesn't even control Moscow's airspace and yet Ukrainian nationalists want to pretend they control Belarus lol. Btw the Belarusian military has to constantly shoot down Russian drones that get confused and veer into Belarus but they don't publicize the country origin of the drones because they don't want to add further embarassment to Putin ))))
>>2838963Only a fool would surrender East Slavic history to muscovite revisionist larp.
>Kiev is Russian speaking.not for long
>>2838983i see no reason why it wouldn't but even if it doesn't work out adhering to western values and social contract will improve their lives immensely.
and if they fuck it up totally they will prove they do in fact belong in russian civilization space in case which i will admit i was wrong and move on
either way history will prove one of us right
>>2838997i'm really happy for you. on an seemingly unrelated note how much power does kgb and security force hold over the country?
>>2839023>Only a fool would surrender East Slavic history to muscovite revisionist larpExcept Russians were never pretending that Ukrainians don't descend from the Rus' just like them. In fact, this is precisely what they are saying.
Russian nationalism: We Eastern Slavs share the same roots and should unite. We will be the ones to lead, because it has always been us who is the strongest. If we don't unite, the West is going to turn all of us into destitute neo-colonies, like they have already done in the '90s.
Ukrainian nationalism: it's not fair that Russians united the Rus' because uhhh this makes them just like the Golden Horde!!!! I've just realised that I'm actually an Aryan Scythian Viking. This means that I have a god-given right to take any Eastern Slavic land I deem Ukrainian, but when Russians take my land, they are literally Hitler. Or more like Stalin, because Hitler was a freedom fighter fighting for a free Ukraine. Unfortunately evil Muscovites teleported into otherwise pure Ukrainian land (since at least 5000 BC) out of nowhere, so he had to exterminate them. We have always wanted to become a part of Europe, but when we were part of Europe, we hated it because we were exploited by Polish nobles that's why we exterminated them too. I swear that I'm just a smol bean nation who wants to become independent, and that is precisely why I must join the EU, accept Western corporations looting my country and fight an unwinnable war on the Westerners' behalf. Russia is forcing my hand, because they invaded my Ukrainian land and brainwashed people into thinking they are Russians using Igor Girkin brain waves.
>>2839088i'm not reading all of that
russians aren't slavs
>>2839197pretty sure in 2022 or 2023 i saw a vid in an earlier version of /ukr/ showing azovites executing some african mercenaries for desertion
>>2838563>AI slop>ziggersyep it's fed hours
thread being visited by epsteinists
>>2839197“The Ukrainian military must be 50% foreigners” is the important part here, not that volunteer foreign legions are a thing.
It lends credence to Not-Grillpill’s claim that people in Lvov are unfazed by the conflict in the belief that really all the dying will be done by drones and mercenaries. It also lends credence to the idea that nazism in Ukraine isn’t simply a few radical chuds but systemic, both the government and the wider population are completely comfortable with the idea of using machines and non-Ukrainians as equally inconsequential cannon fodder because Ukraine uber alles.
And yes yes Not-Grillpill I can sense you already typing out “erm the world is morally grey ackshually”, but this is an answer to concerns that too many Ukrainians are dying. “Just let someone else do the wholesale dying” to avoid surrender is bleak.
Ukraine to ask for $20B to make Russia ‘burn’>Kyiv wants to raise the money by the NATO Ankara Summit, claiming otherwise Russia may regain the initiative.<“Everyone sees that Russia is burning, and we want it to burn even more, but we need financing to do it”https://www.politico.eu/article/exclusive-ukraine-to-ask-for-20-billion-emergency-defense-aid-at-rammstein-to-finish-off-russia/Schizophrenia continues to plague the pro-Ukrainian space as Ukraine demands another multibillion dollar givas to buy drones that cost “like $5,000”. In the most cost effective war in history, Ukraine is destroying billions of dollars worth of Russian oil infrastructure at the low low cost of… billions of dollars.
>>2839552I think you might have forgotten to post a link to the article
>com-coded concern trolling
nice try epstein
>>2839577That’s a telegram channel and I don’t see a link to the article there either?
Oh well nevermind, I saw the screenshot mentions Хартыя ‘97 which is a “Belarusian” news outlet based in Poland, has the liberal Belarusian flag as its navicon, is funded by (according to its website) multiple European NGOs and has a section called “Belarus in NATO”. What’s more it appears China taking over the Russian far east is a particular narrative they’re interested in espousing.
China Takes The Far East Without A Fight>Putin, who launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine under the banner of restoring Russia’s imperial glory, may ultimately go down in history as the politician who turned Russia into China’s economic vassal.<This view was expressed in a column for The Hill by David Kirichenko, a research fellow at the British think tank Henry Jackson Society .>The author also highlights the changes taking place in Russia’s Far East. Due to *demographic* challenges and a lack of investment, the region is becoming increasingly integrated into China’s economic sphere. In some parts of Siberia and the Far East, local residents and officials already view Beijing as a source of solutions to problems that Moscow is unable to solve on its own.<“China does not need to formally annex Russian territory to dominate it. Economic dependence, financial leverage, and *regional integration* can achieve what once required military conquest,” the expert concludes.https://charter97.org/en/news/2026/6/13/687629/In typical fashion of scratched eastern euro liberal democracy enjoyers, trying to instigate xenophobia is a big part of trying to win over Russians.
Like my god, fucking kill yourselves for constantly agitating for mass race war in Russia for “peace and democracy” lol
>>2839598Perhaps it was submitted to them via
https://charter97.org/en/prepare-news/they’re open to accepting news reports from whomever
>>2839600I notice that you have shifted the argument over to arguing about some other random thing that was never part of the discussion, because you know you lost and you don't want to continue the debate. This is a common pattern with you.
>>2839602>You lost >:(Okay? What did you win?
>>2839603>What did you win?I reminded all the campist Ziggers in this thread that Russia is an imperialist capitalist nation that exploits their proles and does not offer any salvation for the workers of Russia or Ukraine, because for whatever reason all of you have a common habit of instantly forgetting that when left to your own devices over many weeks and months, and would rather fantasize about killing Ukrainians, when there isn't a Bordigist dropping by the thread to launch a trvthnvke.
>>2839605And you did that via a telegram channel that offers people to (translated) “Suggest the news, write to us” and picked up by an NGO-funded outlet that also offers readers to “Send us a news report”. That is to say, it’s just two “sources” feeding anonymous claims to each other and both constructing a narrative of China taking over the Russian far east.
Not exclusively is this xenophobia directed at China mind you, the screenshot shows Charter ‘97 reports on Beware the News reporting on a claim that Putin prioritises building schools in Tajikistan over the Russian far east.
If you think anti-Kremlin organisations seeing xenophobia as the most effective weapon against Russia, given it is such a multi-ethnic and multicultural country, was “never part of the discussion” concerning imperialism and exploitation, then you’re either a retard or deceitful. Call it.
The common pattern is NAFOids wanting context to be replaced by one telegram post or tweet or article, then crying that I’m being unfair and/or a trickster by reintroducing context.
>>2839612>It's a NATO psyop of stirring up xenophobia when Russians film themselves in a video asking for more school funding because their schools are overcrowdedthe absolute state of ziggers
direct video appeals to government via telegram are very common to all slavic nations but you want to call a very typical response "NAFO" in order to avoid accepting it lololololololololololololol
>>2839535What does this have to with being a nazi and how is it different for russia anyway?
Some you will really have to let go of that 1933 traumas it prevent you from reasoning properly. Hitlers dead and fascists are now ugly femboys and footy hooligans you don't need to fight with a fantom hugo boss suit.
>>2839615If I reposted a Telegram post with a video of Ukrainians claiming Zelensky is tiny and has pissy pants and they want rid of him, but there was no journalistic investigation conducted by Western MSM to verify both the origin of the video via OSINT geolocation and the claim that Zelensky is tiny and has pissy pants is true, how do you think that would be received?
Probably a claim it’s AI or staged by Russian propagandists, right thread?
>>2839615>direct video appeals to government via telegram are very common to all slavic nationsi hate to be the devils advocate but i've never seen anyone other than russians debase themselves like that
>>2839616'nazi' simply means bad and/or (not-russian) nationalist in russian vernacular, it's nothing to do with nsdap
Or not-grillpill will arrive to tell me that he once got drunk with Zelensky and his estimate was Zelensky must about 6’2 and had pants drier than the Sahara despite so much drinking and partying
>>2839620It makes sense from a Russian but i doubt that anon is Russian.
>>2839619There are literally telegram videos out there of Ukrainians attacking Zelensky you retard.
>>2839620>hate to be the devils advocate but i've never seen anyone other than russians debase themselves like thatUkrainians do it too. Telegram is basically Slavic tiktok.
>>2839625Doubtful because they’re never posted ITT by anti-campists
>>2839626>Do my work for meNo you lazy bum. Besides there's no point to posting those videos anyways since no one here actually supports Ukraine. People are either neutral or support Russia. So these threads are just constant rehashed arguments between neutrals and ziggers and the ziggers constantly need to be slapped down from time to time otherwise they start saying insane nationalist shit and degrading themselves to sucking Putin's dick, ruining the lefty vibe of the website.
>>2839624>i doubt that anon is Russian.why?
>>2839625grim. i hope they won't have to in the future
>>2839626>anti-campistsas a matter of principle we're all in either one or the other camp here, no?
this is the designated shit throwing thread
>>2839630I'm glad you agree with me. Self-awareness is important. Weren't you the poster that tried to defend Putin banning nationalization a few threads ago? Seems like it's important for you to remember this is /lefty/pol and not /chug/.
>>2839632Lmao okay, you couldn’t (or perhaps wouldn’t) do it
>>2839631Nope some people claim to be anti-campists but say it’s their “job” to post anti-Russian content but it’s not their “job” to post anti-Ukrainian content.
>>2839634>Some people claim to be anti-campists but say it’s their “job” to post anti-Russian content but it’s not their “job” to post anti-Ukrainian content.that makes sense dobeit because all the flagposters like yourself constantly post anti-Ukrainian content so that part of the job is done already and there's a missing void of people posting anti-Russian content
>>2839635Err excuse me sir, I post news, not content
>EU foreign policy chief Kallas has reportedly compared Israel’s treatment of Palestinians to South Africa’s apartheid era during closed-doors high-level talks in Mexico City, EU affairs news website Euractiv reported citing officials and diplomats.https://ejpress.org/eu-foreign-affairs-chief-kallas-reportedly-compared-israels-treatment-of-palestinians-to-south-africas-apartheid-era/And you tought EU was actually moving towards opening negotiations with Russia. Think again, the whole "Kallas must go" out of the blue was about her ruffling some Zionist feathers.
>>2839635>that makes sense dobeit because all the flagposters like yourself constantly post anti-Ukrainian content so that part of the job is done already and there's a missing void of people posting anti-Russian contentSo the anti campist job is campist 🤔
Just learned about a place in russia called alabuga. Holy shit.
>>2839616>I don’t understand what the problem is with categorising both Drones and Foreigners together as the solution for Ukraine’s high casualty rate, or why that’s Nazism if Ukrainians aren’t always larping in SS uniformsYeah I’m sure you don’t.
why cant russia just be a normal country
>>2839717>putler is twice as popular as any of the european leaderssick burn
>>2839771apples and pears
you should compare his popularity to north/central asian despots instead
>>2839743Lmao yes!
>>2839771Also the прогноз is that he still has 55% approval but if he wins an election that’s not because that’s how liberal democracy works, it’s because electoral fraud went into maximum overdrive compared to when it was 76% last year and only a little bit of electoral fraud would have been needed.
>>2839740Unironically I ask this about Ukraine for exactly these scenarios. I completely understand Putin losing popularity because he’s not retaliating against Zelensky by killing him, but fuck man I’ll never be able to respect anyone who nodded approvingly at Zelensky printing off a graph on his computer for a quick Sunday morning peremoga about Putin only have a slight majority now in his entirely rigged elections.
>>2839793>Unironically I ask this about Ukrainethe reason is unironically russia
russian policy towards post-ussr countries that failed to escape russian orbit completely was to set up satrapies, propagate corruption and isolationism so that they are forever dependent on russia and exist as a defacto extension of russian civilization.
>>2839795Yes that is literally the excuse Kiev uses to explain away it’s corruption, “it’s all Russian
in nature” and they’re working super duper hard to break free from their Russian habits.
>>2839798let's hope they succeed
>>2839799Slava Ukraini and Bober Kurwa
Slava Kurwa and Bober Ukraini
just to point out, I triple dare any rarted nafo troll, and radlibs ITT to name one single convicted person for corruption crimes investigated and sent to tribunals by nabu and sapo.
>>2840017Ihor Kolomoyskyi. Which is extra funny because retarded Ziggers kept trying to pretend that he controlled Zelensky, and then Zelensky had him investigated and thrown into jail.
>>2840021CONVICTEDno, he's not convicted.
cope, seethe, mald, etc.
it's been 11 years since nabu and sapo were created. directly funded by the eu regime, through the European Union Anti-Corruption Initiative (can't exist without the eu, literally). 0 convictions for corruption, and that's, somehow, Russia's corruption.
lmao.
>>2840026he's arrested and has been so for 3 years, but that doesn't count?
>>2840038no, of course. because like timur mindich, he will be able to flee out of the country. and as happened with timur mindich, no official involved in the escape of timur mindich won't be prosecuted, and diligently brough to courts, with appropriate indictments and investigations that make conclusively guilty these people to the eyes of a court, which is the point of a conviction.
>>2840016in case you weren't alive for it let me explain - usa swept afghanistan in two months. by christmas 2001 taliban was forced to flee to pakistan where they worked as farmhands on opium farms to stay alive (despite the fact that that during their rule junkies faced death penalty - for good reason as you will soon find out)
where americans failed was reconstruction of the country - they wanted to make afghanistan a western style democracy which is incompatible with locals racial nature which made the whole ordeal futile - at first aghanis were nannied by americans which they assumed will be the new norm so they just turned to smoking dope and fucking kids. when americans started rolling out expecting afghanis to take over everything fell apart.
>>2840021Ahem, from Wikipedia:
>In 2019, Kolomoyskyi's media power and funding supported Volodymyr Zelenskyy's successful presidential campaign to unseat Poroshenko.>In 2020, he was indicted in the United States on charges related to large-scale bank fraud. >In 2021, the U.S. banned Kolomoyskyi and his family from entering the country>Zelenskyy reportedly stripped Kolomoyskyi of his Ukrainian citizenship in 2022.>In 2023, Kolomoyskyi was arrested by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) on charges of money laundering and fraud, and placed under pre-trial arrest.So it seems he tried to fuck the US (both financially and politically) and that’s why he’s in jail. An SBU jail mind you, safe from EU/US backed anti-corruption orgs.
>>2840084Hard to see how they fucked it up so badly considering the west did such splendid job in building Poland.
>>2840089polish people are a western people, democracy is a natural state for our society
afghanis are an asiatic people, they need oriental despotism to keep them in tow otherwise they feel lost and abandoned
they're just like you lot in that regard
(Reactionary retardation) that's why taliban's rule oppressive as it may be is the only one that actually works out for them
and that's why us poles are also cucks to the American and European oligarchs, because it works out for us
Least reactionary Pole enters the discussion
>>2840094There is no such thing as an "Afghani people"
>>2840094I'm amazed about how people like you find this website
>>2840021>"communist" supports zelenskkkywhy dont you hang yourself?
>>2840131pashtuns hazaras nuris etc?
they might be diverse and unrelated to one another but they're all native to afghanistan which makes them afghanis
>>2840596>Twenty people were injured and Kyiv’s historic Pechersk Lavra monastery was set on fire after a major Russian air attack on the Ukrainian capital, authorities said on Monday. Drone and missile strikes left widespread damage, caused power outages for hundreds of thousands of residents, and prompted renewed air defences across the region. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20260615-kyiv-monastery-damaged-in-russian-air-attack-as-strikes-intensify-across-ukraine
>️Breaking: Residential buildings struck in Kyiv amid large-scale Russian missile, drone attack.https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/2066289857652052095now we're gonna hear how this was an attack on orphanages, puppy shelters and maternity hospitals. "civilians targetesld with over 20 cruise missiles and couple dozen gerans – 20 injured". and people eat that shit up. r/worldnews will be gloating how Russians have bad aim.
Why do people here call one a zigger and a campist for simply denouncing actions of one"s own government and its allies? Is the logic here that if one is against ones own bourgeois government, then it means that one is for the bourgeous government of the opposite state in this war?
>>2839552This is good though. It means these people see no difference between governments
>>2840259Why is this news?
>18 years old is almost a child>Picture of him as a small child in a Soviet military uniformOh THAT’S why it’s news for pro-Ukrainians.
>>2840652I contribute facts, videos and analysis to this thread. You contribute solipsistic musings. we are not the same
>>2840667>we are not the sameYeah, I mean, wasn’t that obvious? I’m opposed to Ukraine’s obsession with targeting children as a national mission.
>>2840094>polish people are a western peopleLolno, you are east european, basically hunns
>>2840469Well, at least Ukrainians had fun talking about gas shortages in Russia. Mind you, it wasn't really happening, but still
Poland gives Zelensky ‘a few more days’ to renounce Nazi collaborators>Warsaw has demanded that Kiev stop honoring the paramilitary group behind massacres of Poles during World War II<Speaking to TV Republika on Friday, presidential spokesman Rafal Leskiewicz said Nawrocki expects Zelensky to reverse the “shameful act.” >“We will wait a few more days. Let’s not give in to pressure,” he added.https://swentr.site/news/641551-poland-gives-zelensky-few-days/They won’t do shit lol
>>2840688Four years of Polish aid and Ukraine doesn't even give enough of a shit to stop having Gitler Polekilleroshenko 1488th anniversary memorial parades in the capital lol. Is there a more cucked country than Poland
boom boom boom
boom boom kyiviv
this is what you get
for all your evil deeds
Iran won in like 3 fucking months, Russia cant win in 5 fucking years.
Putin's russia…
And so the pendulum swings back from
>Holy shit lmao Ukraine gonna win this thing!
To
>Three day SMO status? Russian victory in 2126! Russia is NOT winning..
>>2840856Rare Ukronazi
W.
>>2841454whoops I forgot the flag.
>>2840688 sometimes there are Polish people that are not braindead.
the youtube thumbnails are looking grim. no more big arrows and bold text. did ukraine turn the war around? are they going to win?
Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko said that Belarus poses no military threat to Ukraine and apologized to President Volodymyr Zelensky
<Lukashenko said his comments had been a response to what he described as threats from Ukraine, including statements that Kyiv had identified hundreds of potential targets in Belarus and knew his whereabouts.
<"If Volodymyr Oleksandrovych was offended, I apologize to him for these words," Lukashenko said, adding that he may have spoken too harshly given Ukraine's ongoing war against Russia.
<At the same time, he argued that Zelensky should be more careful in his statements and avoid provoking Belarus. "No military action should be expected from Belarus, and especially from me," Lukashenko said.
<The remarks come after Robert Brovdi, commander of Ukraine's Unmanned Systems Forces and known by the callsign "Magyar," said Ukrainian forces had identified 500 potential targets in Belarus and warned Lukashenko to stay out of the war.
<Lukashenko later responded by threatening to strike what he described as a "very serious" target in Ukraine if Belarus were threatened.
<The exchange follows repeated warnings from Zelensky that Russia is attempting to draw Belarus more directly into the war, potentially as part of a future operation against a NATO member state
<In his comments to Al Arabiya, Lukashenko said Ukraine had nothing to fear from his country.
>>2840856>>2840990I was indoctrinated enough by atheist propaganda when I was young that churches getting bombed is something that has never been able to get a reaction from me. The Ukrainian side says the Russians bombed it because they hate Christians, and then the Russian side says the Ukrainians accidentally bombed the church and they didn't do nuffin. I don't care if the Russians did bomb it. Nobody goes to church in Ukraine (or Russia). It's all a LARP, it's fake. The church was probably fake, they rebuilt one to cosplay as religious after the Bolsheviks blew up the original one and threw the priests out of the bell towers.
I'm Ricky Gervais talking about religion. Oh look I've got a phone, let me call God *ring ring* oh wait there's nobody answering.
ukraine is taking territory back. is russia gonna be pushed out?
>>2841720>is russia gonna be pushed out?Maybe after 12 more years.
>>2841718You are looking at it wrong. It is just a formality because it is a UNESCO site. It is like if the Hagia Sophia or the Taj Mahal gets bombed. It is more than the religion when those get burnt down. One thing that same propaganda say is acting like the Bolsheviks replaced them with gray collapsing commie blocks and didn't have their own beautification
>>2841720Where is it taking territory back?
UK to supply enriched uranium to Ukraine>London seeks to support Kiev’s corruption-prone energy sector with a £210 million deal<The arrangement, backed by UK Export Finance, will enable British-based Urenco to supply enriched uranium to Energoatom for the next two years, London said on Monday. The deal was agreed to by UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer and Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky at Downing Street last week.>According to the British government, the agreement is intended to “power Ukraine’s nuclear plants” and strengthen the country’s energy security.https://swentr.site/news/641654-uk-kiev-enriched-uranium/Demanding phones sold in Britain to scan the screen for banned content, throwing the “terrorism” charge at all political undesirables and now supplying enriched uranium to a country run by ethno-nationalists at war, Starmer really is speedrunning becoming a member of the axis of evil circa 2001.
>>2841762>>According to the British government, the agreement is intended to “power Ukraine’s nuclear plants” and strengthen the country’s energy security.Yeah, right. Nukes for banderistan.
>>2841762Can't wait to say "I told you so" when Zelensky manufactures a nuke, hits the Donbass, wipes out the entire Russian military within Ukraine, and wins the war. In this imperialist world you either nuke or get nuked and Cucktin's weakness is going to get all the Russians killed.
>>2841765>>2841770My guess is
>Trains go bang>Raised levels of radiation reported>”RUSSIA TURNED A TRAIN INTO A DIRTY BOMB!”>The case for givas even stronger >>2841782That art is dogshit he deserves to be shot for making such a terrible work regardless of his political views.
‘Jewish lobby’ deceived Putin – Lukashenko>Russian President Vladimir Putin was deceived (ChampSoc Note: Erm Ackshually…) into withdrawing troops from near Kiev in 2022 by forces claiming to represent Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has said.
<The Belarusian president argued that Russia was acting on what appeared to be a genuine opportunity to reach a settlement, adding: “Judge for yourselves who was right and who was wrong in this matter.”>“Once again, probably, these forces deceived him. It was the Vatican. And surprisingly, the Jewish lobby, the Israelis,” Lukashenko said. “They said on behalf of Zelensky: That’s it, we are moving toward peace, we agree. And others as well.”https://swentr.site/russia/641650-jewish-lobby-deceived-putin-lukashenko/ >>2841786I like his decadent style. Art about pretty things is boring.
>>2841795This is old news. Naftali Bennet extracted a promise from Puin not to kill Zelensky.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-putin-assured-me-at-moscow-meeting-he-wouldnt-kill-zelensky/Lukashenko was referring to the real Zionist negotiations with Putin, but RT is trying to paint him as an uncultured Jew hater because they're scumbags. Lukashenko also mentioned the Vatican in the speech but somehow the headline isn't
"POPE AND VATICAN DECEIVED PUTIN".
God I hate Russians when they punch down on Belarus.
>>2841803The Vatican is mentioned in the article, but yeah the headline is very much clickbait which is an odd choice against Russia’s sole ally in the region.
Referring to Israel as “the Jewish lobby” isn’t even that controversial considering Tel Aviv claims itself to be the sole arbiter of global Judaism.
>>2841741inshallah soon belarus shall take over all of the rus
>>2841782>>2841786Why do you believe Western media uncritically? The guy was on the Myrotvorets list and was killed by Ukrainians.
>Kiev gets absolutely rained on with drones and missiles
>Moscow receives one small 50kg drone
<Zelensky: “This time, the Moscow region felt the reach of Ukraine’s long-range capabilities… Russia must be forced to end its war against our people. And Ukraine’s long-range weapons are one of the important components of such pressure… This is a just response to Russian strikes“
Honestly his Xitter profile is a riot if you have a memory longer than that of a fruit fly and can recall his recent claims of controlling Moscow’s airspace.
>>2842141
Problem with that analogy is that it takes 1 second to check, and every human being on the planet can do it no problem, as opposed to allegations in a western paper
this is le inter-imperialist conflict
>>2842063Russian Ministry of Defense:
>Today, the crew of the frigate Admiral Grigorovich in the English Channel encountered the British-flagged civilian sailing yacht Bright Future, which was proceeding dangerously close to the ship under power.>In accordance with the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, the frigate's crew made several attempts to contact the civilian vessel on the international radio channel. There was no change in the yacht's course or response to the international radio channel requests.>To attract the yacht's crew's attention, flares were launched and sound signals were sounded. Despite these measures, the vessel continued its dangerous approach.>After closing the distance to 150 meters, the frigate's commander decided to fire preemptively at the vessel with small arms. The British-flagged yacht then immediately changed course and continued moving away from the Russian warship. The crew of the frigate Admiral Grigorovich acted in strict accordance with international shipping regulations and took all necessary measures to prevent the incident.Sounds like someone was testing the waters with how close they could get to a Russian Navy ship without retaliation.
>>2842266How long have you been shilling this tired argument for? Just fuck off
>>2842321Very long BBC article, but ends with
>Cdr Helen Flanagan, head of Counter Terrorism Policing London, said the aim of the attacks was clearly "to intimidate and create fear for the prime minister and to attack the UK". But she said police have not been able to prove the identity of EL or who he was working for, and that "we've got no evidence to suggest that this was a state-backed threat".>However, sources have told us that authorities in the UK and in Ukraine have privately concluded Russia was behind the arson attacks. >>2842074>>2841782funfact: he ws included the ukrainian kill list after mocking banderites.
>>2841454>>2841472and the flag was never displayed, lawl.
Kostiantynivka is very fastly falling, lmao.
>>2842424>In late 2025, the city became an active battleground between Russian and Ukrainian military forces.two more months
>>2842555Some other emigre did it. Emigre on emigre violence was plenty common throughout history of Russian emigration
>>2842583>all locations outside of ChinaIn an ironic turn of events, the only genuine Pizza Hut will remain in China
>>2842591Not unprecedented. American 7-11 has been owned by Japanese 7-11 for decades.
>>2842583When they started making their pizza crust with cardboard and topped it off with wax cheese all drenched in palm oil.
pizza hut pizzas tasted horrible and would always give me the shits
>>2842583>>2842591Pizza Hut should've bowed downed to China and started selling durian-pineapple pizza worldwide. They didn't listen. See where it got them?
>>2842583>>2842591>>2842592Probably because property prices. It's cheaper to run Pizza Hut in China compared to in the West, thus wide-spread restaraunt insolvency in the West and lack of that in China
>>2842629The argument is that Ukrainian cemeteries, in contrast, are well-kept and well-maintained, but the Russian state doesn't give a shit and will allow even their war heroes to be laid to rest in a fucking swamp.
Btw this is one of the reasons I advocated for constantly bombing the funerals of confirmed Ukranian nationalists, because in addition to striking fear into all the fascist groups, killing entire fascist families, and driving down recruitment for the nationalist groups, it would also deprive Ukraine of this talking point and comparison, but you argued against it so here we are.
>>2842711There’s nothing in the photo to suggest it’s a cemetery associated with conflict losses, or that it’s being compared specifically to Ukrainian military cemeteries (the less said about those by pro-Ukrainians the better).
There’s a specific location provided so that one may confirm that a cemetery outside of Voronezh had a muddy path in it, given the context it’s presumably to compare with her documentaries showing off places in Russia that do not have muddy paths in them. The existence of muddy paths apparently being the metric for whether a country is a shithole or not.
>>2842715I usually agree with you but all men on the tombstones are wearing military uniforms and there are flags flying over them. Civilian cemeteries don't feature either.
>>2842583Pizza Hut is AES now????? based?
>>2842721Nah I mean the photo of the Russian cemetery
>>2842424One more village and Putler will win this imperialist war.
>>2842424Russia has apparently also breached Lyman which may be captured just as swiftly, so the pincer is closing on Kramatorsk/Slovyansk.
The issue for the Ukrainians I assume is that FPV drones are a lot less effective in urban warfare. Harder to spot troops, harder to reach them, more cover to dodge them, approaches will be slower and lower and more vulnerable to shoot downs, etc
>>2842725That one looks like a civilian cemetery, not a flag in sight, not even the flowers have colors that would be associated with patriotic symbolism.
>>2842715>There’s a specific location provided so that one may confirm that a cemetery outside of Voronezh had a muddy path in itThere are like 10 different cemeteries in the area if you look at the map. But this photo is undoubtedly true, that's just how black soil behaves, it becomes mud when there is enough water. Ukrainians of all people would know that. A westoid just sees a photo of Russia with mud in it and claps.
>We’re invading Kursk to gain leverage in negotiations, right?
<No, I need more marble tombstones to post on Twitter
Decreased HIV cases in Russian-held territories are certainly because of lack of testing, and not because Russian healthcare is better, nuh-uh!
https://tass.com/society/2146131MOSCOW, June 14. /TASS/.The HIV incidence rate in Russia has declined by nearly 50% since 2016, while patient coverage with antiretroviral therapy surged 2.3-fold over this period to 91.8%, according to Ministry of Health data available to TASS.
"A 48% drop in the HIV incidence rate has been recorded in the Russian Federation throughout the implementation of the national strategy. In 2016, it stood at 59.2 per 100,000 people, while in 2025, it reached 30.9 per 100,000 people," the document states.
Meanwhile, patient coverage with antiretroviral therapy has expanded 2.3-fold since 2016, totaling 91.8% in 2025, which is higher than the 2024 figure.
The number of new HIV cases has decreased by more than half since 2016, provisionally standing at 43,200 people in 2025.
>>2842711>Btw this is one of the reasons I advocated for constantly bombing the funerals of confirmed Ukranian nationalists, because in addition to striking fear into all the fascist groups, killing entire fascist familiesHail Israel!
>>2842740>it stood at 59.2 per 100,000 people, while in 2025, it reached 30.9 per 100,000 people," the document states.0,06% to 0,03%. Lmao
>>2842745>If you kill fascists you are Zionistsleftkkkoms are retarded
>>2842760>Entire fascist familiesThat’s the Zionist/Yank part.
>>2842764>Who attends the funerals of Communists<Hmm…Communsits and their sympathizers? >Who attends the funerals of Libtards?<Hmm…Libtards and their sympathizers?>Who attends the funerals of Conservatives?<Hmm…Conservatards and their sympathizers?>Who attends the funerals of Fascists?<NOOOOO YOU CAN'T TOUCH A SINGLE HAIR ON THE HEAD OF ANYONE THERE EVEN WHEN THEY'RE WAVING AZOV AND OUN FLAGS REEEEEE THEY ARE JUST INNOCENT PROLETARIANSim tired boss
>>2842773So stop being such a tryhard with the concern trolling.
Russia isn’t doing the shock and awe thing and therefore not exonerating the US bombing “terrorist families” in Iraq or Israel in Palestine. You’re gonna have to just live with that for now.
>>2842775You are not a Communist. You are a libtard trying to excuse Russia's incompetence by pretending that if they took the war seriously and killed Ukrainian fascists it would somehow make them "just as bad" as America, even though America's wars and Russia's war were waged for entirely different reasons.
Your entire position boils down to humanitarian moralism and the fact that you don't want to be accused in internet debates of whataboutism, which is insane. You call me a concern troll but the truth is if you had your way (which it looks like you currently do) Russia will be stuck in Ukraine for another 20+ years, which is the greatest act of self-sabotage any Russian government could ever perform upon itself, and the real concern trolling.
You would happily call yourself virtuous if more Russians died over the next decade than Ukrainian soldiers, simply because…what? You don't want to be attacked by Americans online who try to whitewash their wars by pretending Russia is equivalent? News flash: Russia has already sunken to the bottom in terms of Western opinion. Putin is already viewed as a monstrous figure in the West, maybe not on the par of a Hitler or Stalin, but definitely on the par of a Saddam Hussein or Milosevic. Your preferred path of aura farming isn't accomplishing shit other than getting more Russians killed and/or making more nations feel safe in rejecting diplomatic ties or economic deals with Russia, because they see it as weak. Just like Armenia and Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, all three of which have recently begun to reach out to NATO to accelerate integration.
>>2842782Just odd that “competence” looks a lot like how America fights wars. Nuke
Hiroshima Lvov, bomb civilian gatherings if there’s any chance a
terrorist Banderite in attendance, vicious shows of force against one country are de-escalatory with others, etc.
>but the truth is if you had your way (which it looks like you currently do)Yeah it’s incredible how I keep pulling that trick off when I’m accepting reality for what it is and analysing the rationale behind it, it’s like the conflict revolves around my personal desires.
But in any case, you’ve rather outed yourself with that “at least Ukraine has nice tombstones sometimes” take, as well as with
>if more Russians died over the next decade than Ukrainian soldiersbecause that’s only a possibility if you believe Ukraine’s claims.
>>2843105>morally distraught at some of the stuff they did. Like starvation sieges, mass shooting of prisonersWhat even are you talking about
>Better to use overwhelming force so the war is over as fast as possibleBombing civilians because you can't hit actual targets doesn't bring war any closer to finish.
>>2843170Just draw monke and nobody gets hurt!
>Ukraine uses civilian trucks to transport weapons and launch drones
>Ukraine also keeps targeting Russian civilian trucks and buses with drones
What the FUCK is their problem?
>>2843170Told you it was emigre on emigre violence
>>2843224Exceptionalism and projections. They break the rules of war because they think themselves in the right a priori, goals justify the means; and then they think that Russia fights the same way as them
Guys, what's happening to Moscow oil refinery? Isn't it protected by the best air defenses in the world? I'm starting to get worried…
>>2843412Russia to import gasoline by sea as shortage looms, sources sayJune 17 (Reuters) - Russia is set to import fuel by sea this month as it seeks to manage a gasoline shortage following extensive drone attacks on its refineries, four industry sources said.
In a rare move for one of the world's largest exporters of oil and refined products, Russia is expected to receive a cargo of gasoline via one of its western ports in June, the sources said.
Fuel shortages in Russia have been reported by the media in around a dozen regions, according to data compiled by Reuters. Russian-held Crimea and two regions in Siberia have officially confirmed the shortages.
The government announced a ban on gasoline exports for producers of the fuel until the end of July, helping to maximise supplies needed over the summer months when driving demand is high.
Moscow has also imported fuel from neighbouring Belarus to address shortages and has in the past sought small volumes from Kazakhstan. However, neither country has sufficient spare capacity to support Russia in the event of a deeper supply crisis, the sources added.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-import-gasoline-by-sea-shortage-looms-sources-say-2026-06-17/ >>2843427They gon buy fuel from china
>>2843400Thank you for the reliable democratic news. Russia is over now. You have convinced everyone here.
>Moscow receives one small 50kg drone
I had to say it, didn’t I?
Big oof today, seems like that drone the other day was proooobing
>>2843466>oil refinery that just got blown up.You can clearly see it's oil drums. If you didn't know, oil gases are really explody, and in fact, the refineries burn them out naturally via "torches" every day
>>2843466>Don’t fucking take this from me, it was fucking Moscow you fucking idiotGoddamn Gay Nazi relax lmao
>>2843467That was needlessly harsh, i take it back. It was meant to be obvious
>>2843452>>2843461>>2843468Literally picrel LMAOOOOOOOO
>>2843481>It was meant to be obviousI don’t understand, was it friendly fire in all the excitement amongst anti-campists?
>>2843481>>2843487Be the same faggot you are always are. Nothing is changed. You are a faggot, we ignore that and send your mass of flesh to the underworld, it is what is, we do what we do you stupid faggot.
>>2843489They’re not wrong, but I think people ought to not lose sight of the fact that the unbearable cringe of NAFOids saying
>omg so beautiful, it’s like art it should be hung in museums!is over an attack that happens to Kiev basically weekly at this point, albeit the attacks on Kiev are even larger in scope.
The difference is Kiev, via its huge support in the Western MSM and iron grip on information within Ukraine, gets to control the narrative where 7 drones (I believe is the count on the refinery at least) hitting the outskirts of Moscow is an unbelievable display of power, while hundreds of drones and dozens of missiles landing on Kiev is like, meh, whatever, who cares amirite?
And for all we know this could turn out to be FP-2 drones launched from civilian trucks (as was recently revealed to be the case) within Russia à la Operation Spiderweb. Which was also supposed to be an incredible display of power and ingenuity that Russia can’t possibly stop and will soon remove all Russian military aircraft.. but then was never repeated again.
Interimperialist conflict
Also worth noting that, once again by sheer coincidence, this attack happened while Zelensky is out of the country.
So Russia might retaliate in some extravagant way, probably won’t, either way Zelensky isn’t going to be there for it despite undoubtedly giving the orders. And this is the guy who claimed he needs guns and not a ride from NATO, pls.
>>2843521This is allegedly a dud warhead from a Liutyi drone, if true then it’s a shrapnel weapon and that’s corroborated by the Ukrainian Wikipedia page claiming the warhead is 75kg, of which 50kg are explosives.
So really it’s an anti-personnel weapon, but we never see it used in that way. The only appreciable target for them are indeed anything that’s already explosive/flammable and based on their attempts to produce or procure cruise missiles, that’s not satisfactory despite the merriment.
>>2843526Yep and the problem for Ukraine is that because refineries are notably flammable, there are contingencies for when a fire breaks out and thus we don’t see refineries or other oil infrastructure burning for days and days, let alone burning an entire plant down.
It is a problem for Russia to be sure, but ultimately NAFO are celebrating a situation of necessity rather than choice as decisive. These drones are small, quiet (relatively speaking), low flying and when not flown in swarms they can easily evade radar detection. Anything with a larger warhead will be bigger, louder, hotter and lose the advantage of being able to be launched from.. *ahem* “covert” means.
Whereas Russia is able to routinely flatten a warehouse anywhere in Ukraine with more or less impunity. Sometimes they also have explosives in them and NAFO has to eat crow over the footage of a massive secondary explosion, but often they don’t and it can be claimed that Russia just keeps hitting empty warehouses or missed whatever the intended, explosive target was.
Nevertheless, a lot of targets of military worth are not explosive like an oil refinery is, the boiled frog analogy is basically ancient history now but it’s wholly applicable to Ukraine if they keep dismissing much larger attacks against themselves because it doesn’t involve the theatrics of smaller attacks against Russian oil infrastructure.
>>2843489At least they recognize the pedophiles in the white house lol. Still, it would be good if these would lead to more popularity for the communist party
>>2842726that's an almost 100,000k 'village', you coping loser.
now, kursk status?
>>2842729dunno, it seems more to me that it's more about the attrition taking into effect.
>>2843588Yeah that’s no doubt a factor as well, this battle probably should be the Bakhmut but Ukraine expended a lot in, well, Bakhmut.
>>2843600>still livingImplication: more lived there previously.
>This isn't a big deal!
In a sense that people still have to show up for work tomorrow
Anyway the weather is nice in Lviv today
>>2843619Yes that’s what strikes on oil refineries is an attempt at, the economy being damaged by transportation failing to get people to work via fuel shortages. So if people do still show up at work tomorrow, then Ukraine has yet to achieve their goal.
>>2843620And? Population is used as a measurement of the size of the settlement, Kiev wouldn’t become a village if it was evacuated and only 5000 people remained.
Even some russians telegrams say those attacks will force bougies of Moscow and St-Petersburg to uncuck, but is Putin ready for the great uncucking?
>>2843673Probably not, we’ve repeatedly heard the demand for “getting serious” from various Russian figures both amongst the public and government, but the outcome is always the same; something that should have been struck anyway will be struck and it will be considered retaliatory.
Tbh, if Russia was going to do something that would make Spurdo stiffen and Not-Grillpill soften, it would have happened within an hour of the attack without announcement. It has been a whole working day since the attack without retaliation, therefore we can guarantee that a lot of talking has happened and that’s an environment cooler heads usually prevail in.
If I had total control over Russia's military starting from February 2022, not a single Russian soldier would have died to a Ukrainian attack.
Surprisingly varied range of drones used in the attack today, but all for the same purpose of long range suicide drones of around 50kg-100kg warheads. Standard Lityui as usual, but also one with a jet engine and another that interestingly looks like a Geran/Shahed.
I think it's unlikely that Ukraine is producing multiple redundant models of suicide drones with its severely damaged industrial capacity let alone in the numbers Russia claimed were shot down, but it's very likely that multiple countries have been scrambling to produce their own analogues of Geran drones and have taken up Ukraine's offer of being a weapons testing paradise.
We are probably at the point now that any deterrent against strikes on Moscow or Russia more broadly cannot be contained to just Ukraine, there's little about this attack that's actually based there now, and that seems to be a semi-open secret amongst NAFO xitter.
Its up to Russia to stop invading. The war ends the same day as they stop attacking.
>>2843699Kaja Kallas tweeted today
>Russia is on the back foot: militarily, economically and politically.>Now is the time to provide Ukraine with even greater support and to exert even more pressure on Russia to end the war. If that's the logic, then why does voluntarily losing the war mean the economic and political pressure won't just increase?
>>2843704for what purpose?
Cpusa calls the literal ziocommunist party a "fraternal party."
https://cpusa.org/article/our-international-party-line/>Our fraternal parties, the Communist Party of Israel (CPI) (Maki)–https://maki.org.il/en/?p=31397Cpusa calls ziocommunist party that called hamas rapists
https://maki.org.il/en/?p=31397 "fraternal," therefore cpusa is a proxy of zionism
>>2843531>the theatrics of smaller attacks against Russian oil infrastructure.It's not theatrics. Those attacks are intended to hurt Russia's frontline supply capabilities. If NATO actually manages to saturate Russia's air defense the war could very well take a turn in UK/EU/NATO/UAzov's favour until Russia comes up with a solution, like new jamming tech, new laZ0rz AD or whatever.
>>2843762>Those attacks are intended to hurt Russia's frontline supply capabilitiesExploding oil barrels in Moscow affects frontlines?
Surprised ZelensKKKy hasn’t turned into pink mist. What a parasite.
>>2843762That's not exactly what I said, the point was that pro-Ukrainians dismiss Russia's much larger attacks out-of-hand if they don't
also include the theatrics of a fire/secondary explosion. Not that attacks on Russian oil refineries are solely theatrics.
>If NATO actually manages to saturate Russia's air defense the war could very well take a turn in UK/EU/NATO/UAzov's favour until Russia comes up with a solution, like new jamming tech, new laZ0rz AD or whatever.That is the bigger story here tbh, 10 drones getting through and reaching Moscow is one thing, but needing to shoot down over 500 drones a night is frankly the bigger issue and again I can't imagine such numbers are possible with production solely in Ukraine.
On the other hand, it may be that most of those drones are either decoys or cheaper (though still $200,000 a piece) pre-AI/Cruise Missile navigation tech and they're being taken down by EW.
>>2843782They've spent thousand drones to hit moscow's oil refinery. Ukraine is retarded, they could have tried to hit something relevant to war effort, but instead they use it for theatrics
>>2843784that's the most relevant target there is
>>2843785Correct, since Ukraine's war is one primarily against the Russian civilian population.
>>2843467Just a small smokey fire
>>2843791do you seriously think russia is in danger of running out of oil from a few drone attacks
>>2843787as long as russians are advancing they are not even going to be willing to ceasefire - because ultimately nothing else matters, there is no future and russian lives are worthless
the only way to stop russia is to have parity of firepower. this is not achievable by eliminating manpower as there is unending suppply of improvised third worlders willing to sell their lives for spare change
this can however be achieved by hobbling russian economy.
>>2843793just because it's a glorified gas station doesn't mean it won't run out of oil: oil fields don't come with a tap, you can't stop them when you lose production and/or storage potential. targeting refineries forces russia to sell crude oil and buy back petrol which is arguably the best strategy for ukraine right now
>This is the first time the UK military has mounted such as operation against a tanker carrying Russian oil. There have been a handful of others, orchestrated by the French and the Americans. But we are talking single digit interdictions of a global oil trade in which well over one thousand vessels – by conservative estimates – transport Russian oil around the globe.
>The value of the oil in this tanker Smyrtos is estimated to amount to around $30 – 36 million. To put that into context, that amounts to 0.008% of Russia’s total export earnings in 2025 of $422 billion. Think about that for a moment.
>This year so far, with the full impact of the war in Iran yet to feed into the data, Russian exports are up 6.3% between January and April, although the current account surplus is largely the same at $20 billion.https://thepeacemonger.substack.com/p/piracy-in-the-english-channelRemember a few months ago how anons itt were screaming about how cucked and fucked Russia was for "letting" "their" tankers be seized? It turns out to have been basically inconsequential as far as their income is concerned and basically a case of the dog catching the car for Nato.
>>2843798Russia’s primary oil export was always crude, they exported little refined oil products in comparison and although buying petroleum is obviously not ideal if you’ve got crude oil, again we’re going to have to compare that to Ukraine that must buy, steal or be gifted
everything to keep their economy going.
And even then the assumptions are
>a. The “industry sources” are telling the truth
>b. Buying isn’t just making up the shortfall in production capacity but now every litre of Petrol Russia uses is purchased from abroad
>>2843782I apologize, i didn't read the whole conversation.
>but needing to shoot down over 500 drones a night is frankly the bigger issue Yes, hitting a refinery does damage to both civilian and military energy supply but lots of long range drones targetting military supply lines inside RU could slow down RU's frontline supply significantly.
>I can't imagine such numbers are possible with production solely in UkraineUA does some of their stuff themselves but their new drone stock is developed and manufactured in several euro countries, including UK and DE afaik. And the drooling libs, who want more blood for the blood god all the time, are of course really proud of it. Right now they're excited like back when UA was about to get Leopards.
>>2843523>If we terror bomb their people enough their people will get demoralized, turn on their government and they will lose and we will win.Has strategic bombing ever achieved a victory? Because this is what Ukraine is basically betting on. And not even that. They are betting the idea that western leaders and populations think this is a winning strategy and is what winning looks like, the kind of winning that is worthy of further support and money.
>>2843833No but Russia is also doing it, same reasoning of attrition warfare which is nothing but cope in face of insurmountable odds and/or incompetent military forces
>>2843833Neither side is doing terror bombing. It's not a thing. Occasionally a drone or missile veers off course, or they're shot down, or they're set to fly at too low an altitude and a random civilian building is hit.
>>2843793No, but the idea that there's no strategic benefit to attacking oil infastructure is laughable.
>>2843833Bombing oil infrastructure is not terror bombing.
>>2843825>And the drooling libs, who want more blood for the blood god all the time, are of course really proud of it.Absolutely. As much as they participate in Kiev's hyping up of Ukraine as the sole protector of Europe from Russia,
really they want to take credit for defeating Russia.
So whether it's Leopard tanks or Starlink or EU-produced drones, they're quick to drop Ukraine's supposed world beating garage engineering as what will win this conflict, in favour of celebrating NATO living up to its stated purpose after all.
>>2843833I'd say they don't actually have the capacity for strategic bombing. To put this "drone war" into perspective, Nazi Germany launched around 10,000 V-1 flying bombs at England in about a year with 850kg of explosives each and that was cope for losing their strategic bombers which did far more damage. What Ukraine and NATO are looking for is a "technical knockout", in which they've essentially lost the conflict but believe that Russia can be convinced to nonsensically surrender anyway if they're embarrassed enough off the battlefield.
Will that work? I doubt it. The NAFO and Banderite memes and gloating are definitely intended to raise the embarrassment and surely achieve that, but at this point where they've suffered plenty of humiliation themselves, it stops being about optics and lol'ing @ ruznians until they rage quit and just becomes delusions that actually ALL of Moscow is on fire and Ukraine has just scored a checkmate against the Kremlin and the war is won.
>>2843875>the idea that there's no strategic benefit to attacking oil infastructureNo one is claiming that, but when the outcome for Ukraine in THE BIGGEST ATTACK ON MOSCOW YET is pro-Ukrainians scrambling to see how that effects the cost of a tank of fuel for civilians to lol at how inconvenient the prices are, the idea that comes to my mind is "petty" rather than "strategic".
>>2843996do you think Putin is sitting at the end of a comically long table on his cuck chair watching the oil clouds by the window
>>2843996USA signed a deal that will pay Iran 300 billions in reparations, btw
>>2844067The EW system is called "Wave Dome Garant". It is produced by the company OOO "Russian Dome" from Simferopol.
The principle of EW system operation is simple. A system of satellite antennas is installed on Earth, which "look" at the sky at a passing satellite. The system emits powerful interference from Earth to the satellite, so that the satellite does not hear signals from ordinary terminals.
Technically, the Starlink satellite receives signals from terminals in the range of 14-14.5 GHz. This range is divided into 8 channels, each 62.5 MHz wide. The Russians conditionally took 8 satellite "dishes", directed them at the satellite, and each dish transmits interference on its own channel. That's all. The satellite is "deaf".
One EW complex provides protection for about 20 square kilometers.
The EW Wave Dome Garant is mounted on trailers. On each trailer, there are two antennas, and the entire complex consists of 6 trailers. The antenna system can be removed from the trailers and placed on a single platform or mounted directly on the ground. Each antenna visually resembles auygh, but inside the egg hides a satellite dish with a rotation mechanism.
Like any EW system, the "Wave Dome Garant" consumes a lot of electricity. The complex can operate both on generators in each trailer and from an external power supply.
>>2843600>reading skills level: 4th grade.I implied pre-war.
>>2839635>anti-Ukrainiananti-nazi*
>>2843996perfect depiction of the UA military campaign: all smokescreen.
protip: smokescreens don't win wars.
>>2844067Wity this wunderwaffe deployment Ukraine will surely collapse any minute now
>>2844210I lold, this is funny because it's so damn true
>>2843996Putin really thought he could cheat the consequences of war, damn
>>2843881>To put this "drone war" into perspective, Nazi Germany launched around 10,000 V-1 flying bombs at England in about a year with 850kg of explosives each It's not the explosives so much as the navigation system. Nazi Germany didn't have microelectronics or live video feeds because it was World War II and not 2026. They aimed ithe V-1 in the general direction of their target with a mechanical clock that cut the engine when it was near where its target was supposed to be, but that wasn't very accurate compared to the doodlebugs flying around Russia and Ukraine. Seriously the difference in the ratio of missiles to successful infrastructure attacks now compared to then is so extreme, if Ukraine fired 100 missiles at Russia, that would be the equivalent of 10,000 V-1s.
>Will that work? I doubt it. Yeah idk either actually
Rybar posted a very cucked "ehm actually we can't uncuck more because we are doing our best already, complaining is being disrespectful to our troops btw" today, omitting that Oreshnik and Gerans 3 are precise enough to erase bridges on the Dnieper
>>2844245Well that is mostly true about the navigational systems, but it’s still quite recent that they’ve been using what is (allegedly) terrain mapping for navigation like the Tomahawk uses and I expect that we see anywhere between 1 and 7 or so successful hits by Ukrainian drones guided by that technology. Navigation previously (and probably currently with the hundreds that still get shot down) was GPS and mobile phone networks that when jammed over Russian airspace, drones essentially reverted to inertial navigation not unlike the V-1.
But the broader point is that the drone themselves, even with fancy and expensive AI or terrain mapping technology, are limited to one infrastructural target which is oil facilities with their 50kg warheads.
It’s why there’s such a desire to put Flamingos in to full service, because it’s currently lunacy to be spending such money on all that navigational technology to deliver a 50kg explosive where previously scattering near-unguided drones at oil facilities often resulted in a couple of hits by chance anyway.
>>2844269If I saw some asshole with a manpad on the highway i think I wouldn't drive just in front of him, Russian folkx are something else
Turns out I didn’t need to surmise that these drones are made outside Ukraine
£750 million package to provide Ukraine with 150,000 drones and boost air defence>UK to provide 150,000 Ukrainian-produced drones and over 350 air defence missiles and radars funded from Extraordinary Revenue Acceleration (ERA) loan.https://www.gov.uk/government/news/750-million-package-to-provide-ukraine-with-150000-drones-and-boost-air-defence“UK to provide 150,000 Ukrainian-produced drones” how the fuck does that work? How do we provide something to the Ukrainians that are produced by Ukraine? Surely the correct phrasing would be “to fund”?
>>2844269That's crazy, send another million proles to the war NOW!
Say sorry to the leftcomchads
>>2844296I think most get shot down yeah. Seems most likely given the circumstances? But I don't think the systems going into the drones are so fancy or expensive now. It's practically consumer electronics, like if you've ever used a navigation app on your phone. This article is from all the way back in 2013:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2013/12/12/175173/drone-gets-its-smarts-from-a-smartphone/Iran builds these things and can deliver it right into a U.S. military operations room. AD can't hit all of them.
I never saw this crappy movie but this scene is probably what weapons will look like pretty soon, like 2030s, where they'll be able to operate in semi-autonomous swarms. Drones also seem to level the playing field between small and large countries where both Ukraine and Iran have found a way to exploit weaknesses in larger adversaries.
>>2844313Iran won because they behaved like a rabid dog willing to attack anything in its proximity. Not only did they attack every US military base within their range, but the gigachad Iranians were even willing to escalate far enough to hit the desalination plants of all their neighbors to start a massive famine in the middle east. The US would have instantly lost all of their allies in the region if the war continued to go on so they had to back down.
St Cucktin, on the other hand, abides by the Christian principle of turning the other cheek. So Russia will continue to get swarmed by drones and have their buildings be blown up and Ukraine will never stop because they have zero fear.
>>2844305>“UK to provide 150,000 Ukrainian-produced drones” how the fuck does that work? How do we provide something to the Ukrainians that are produced by Ukraine? Might be Ukrainian drone factories in the U.K. but they're being deliberately vague about it:
https://freeporteast.com/freeport-east-joins-defence-minister-at-ukrainian-drone-factory-opening-in-suffolk/ >>2844333i don't think the US cared that much about desalination plants or possible famines or regional allies. they cared about running out of oil reserves and the stonks crashing. this was coming around the corner and they ran out of time. iran outlasted them.
Also, for our cucktinposting friends, the US and Israel "took the gloves off" and threw everything they had at Iran short of nukes, went hard on decapitation strikes and what they got out of it was critically depleted weapons stocks that will take years to replenish and an Iran still standing.
>>2844351america didnt dare stop Iran from selling oil to china either LOL
>>2843688I dont understand. Is this some kind of "loitering" nuclear missile? Like they launch it and then it loiters and it then can redirect its flight path when necessary?
>>2844333Putin The Meek. Do you guys think Putin will get canonized as a saint?
social media made a huge deal when idf blew up refineries in Tehran. smoke clouds. fire balls. streets on fire. nothing happened. the refeneries came back online.
>>2844586If you spam enough twitter owns at your enemy, you win. This is the western school of warfare circa 2026.
>>2844643everyone hates her
>>2844635>because a crane withstood a bombYes, geg indeed
Liman and Konstyaninivka have come under Russian control but Ukraine used 550 drones to start a fire at the edge of Moscow and Britain illegally impounded a civilian vessel worth .0006% of gross Russian oil revenue
Zelensky making threats against Belarus again. Kiev is really pulling out all the stops to distract from
>>2844736>>2844739I guess investors were not convinced by the explosions heard in the distance.
>>2844736>Liman and Konstyaninivka falling>everyone obsessed with an inconsequential plume of smoke near moscowthe ukraine pr game is strong
>>2844838Oh my god, you mean Russia has captured another town of 5 people and 200 farm animals, what an incredible offensive
>>2844819The power of 550 Nazi drones
>>2844845Chill it's not as if I like Ukraine either but just feels dumb how war gonzos will be like "holy fuck!! Russia just took Bumfuckovsk and the steel works in outer Dipshitzivisk! This could be a turning point!"
>>2844848Like clockwork.
Every Ukranian achievement is "slava ukraini, moscow will fall tomorrow" and every Russian achievement is "heh, putler captured an outhouse, slava ukraini"
>>2844842I remember the euphoric nafo celebrations when ukraine took Liman in 2022. Kostantynivka is bigger.
Now they supposedly don't matter. The plume of smoke matters…
>All Plumes Matter! >>2844862We are not in 2023 anymore, it's Ukrainyyians masturbating over recapturing pig steads and villages now while Russians is taking two cities with minimal losses (see Ukrainian in Lyman crying in front of ukrainian corpses)
>>2844635You see that drones don't have much explosives inside, it's all incendiary designed specifically for attacking oil drums. This shit cannot produce lasting damage
How many ships has Russia actually lost from the shadow fleet because it looks like in the majority of instances after nato makes a big deal about seizing them they eventually just get let go because there's no real legal justification for holding them.
Oooh Poland has rescinded the “Order of the White Bober” from Zelensky for honouring people who mass murdered Poles. Budanov has retaliated by refusing the “Gold Officer's Cross of the Order of Merit of Poland” but says Ukraine is still open to an equal partnership based on mutual respect Polish givas.
ukro hit da moska
whadawidoo putin?
>>2844838>everyone obsessed with an inconsequential plume of smoke near moscow<the ukraine pr game is strongUkraine can utter absurdities and commit atrocities and it has the full and willing compliance of western propaganda machine on it's back if nothing else. They will keep pretending that everything is ok and Ukraine is actually winning. Even if only a few retards believe it, it will shift the overton window and frame of acceptable discourse enough in everyone's minds, that no political opposition can arise and givas keeps flowing.
Britain tests long-range missiles to help Ukraine bomb Moscow>Experimental systems, each carrying a 250kg warhead, could potentially reach Russian capital from Kyivhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/20/britain-tests-long-range-missiles-ukraine-bomb-moscow/Paywalled so I can’t read it, but that’s quite the headline. If you remove the included irrelevancy then it’s “Britain tests long-range missiles to bomb Moscow”
When people say that "cucktin should escalate, bomb Lithuania and Warsaw! bomb ammo factories and logistics to Ukraine, and end the war quickly. Nato won't and can't respond because they are paper tigers." They really miss the point. The real risk is because they actually are really weak and because of that their first and last only real strategic move is nukes. Nato is much more trigger happy on nukes, not because Nato is strong, but because it's weak and in shambles and people running it they are even more desperate to prove that they it's not.
>>2845611According to whom ? Nato hasn't nuked a country ever, why would you assume they're trigger happy
>>2845613Nato is the only one to nuke a country ever
>>2845613And more to the point, if you haven't seen the comfort with which successive us presidential administrations have handled the threat of nuclear war and the increasing disposition towards the viability of "winning" such a conflict, then you haven't been paying attention
>>2845611>not because Nato is strong, but because it's weak and in shambles compared to whom?
>>2845614not a single member of nato has nuked anyone yet since it's establishment in 1949
>>2845619Compared to Russia? Compared to inflated invincible propaganda image of Nato, that just doesn't bother to step on Russia because it hates illegal wars and cares about it's own people and rules too much? Both can be true.
seems like the epstein coalition wants to drag belarus into the war now. the green goblin threatening to attack belarus for vauge helps to russia
Fuel status?
It's counter-intuitive when NATO claims that because Ukraine is winning, they need to take more risks in helping them to supply and plan attacks on Moscow.
The reality is that it's all escalation management on NATO's part; there's always suggestions of "gentleman's agreements" being made behind closed doors, or indeed that Cucktin is a Cuck, or Russia doesn't have the means to deter and retaliate against NATO to explain why Russia won't nuke Lvov or Oreshnik Poland, but it's actually simple logic.
The more Russia prevails on the battlefield, the less likely they are to then squander that success by then starting WW3 anyway, therefore as Russia gets closer to liberating Donetsk (with Zaporozhe and Kherson likely not too far behind) NATO can escalate with extreme provocations as it basically offers Russia to choose either an extinction event or surrender just on the brink of victory, both of which would be senseless.
That is to say, every verbal provocation, crossing of givas red lines and billion dollars/euros given to Ukraine by NATO is a sign of weakness, each example becoming a possibility only when it ironically ceases to be a GAMECHANGER at that point in the conflict's progression.
Ukraine threatening Belarus for the first time ever is troubling. Over the past year they've steadily escalated against Belarus. They changed their strategy because one of Zelensky's officials (I forgot who) was fine with keeping a truce but he got replaced by a hawk. Ever since then Zelensky has been steadily upping the pressure. It started with recognition and support for Svetlana and political exiles and recently they droned a bus full of Belarusian kids traveling within Russia, and Zelensky is now threatening to hit infrastructure within Belarus if Lukashenko doesn't comply with some bullshit demands. Zelensky seems to feel extremely confident about opening up a two front war, contrary to Champ's retarded proclamations of an imminent Russian victory. If Ukraine hits Belarus and opens a second front then Champ deserves to be hunted down and violently raped to death. It's bad enough that Russians are dying because of Cucktin but if Belarusians are killed too because of his passive meek bullshit then no apologist for the Russian government will deserve to live anymore. The Belarusian opposition seem to be convinced that Russia retains direct control over the Belarusian nuclear arsenal. Zelensky set a deadline of 1 week for military action, if he then proceeds to hit Belarusian factories and infrastructure, and Kiev isn't immediately nuked in response, then everyone will know the fault will lie entirely on Russia because Belarusian military defense doctrine is 100% centered on holding out long enough to launch a nuclear retaliation strike, and it will be Russia vetoing Lukashenko's intended response because Cucktin and his friends are scared of armageddon. Either way we'll find out in a week.
How do you campoids justify simping for Russia despite Russia A) being a far right country and B) supporting the far right internationally? They literally support your enemies and you defend them anyway. Make it make sense without sounding like a complete cuck.
>>2845785>China, Cuba, Iran, Burkina Faso, Mali and DPRK are le far rightby "internationally" you seem to mean the west/imperial core, and the only reason it might seem like Russia supports the right in the west is because western liberals and the western "left" pro-imperialist and virulently anti-Russia/pro-WW3. the only ones with any viability in the west (aside from Fico in Slovakia) that sort of say maybe hating and fighting Russia isn't a great idea are the right opposition parties. Internationally, every leftist government is aligned with and supported by Russia.
>>2845785Not true. Russia has spent a lot of time supporting left-wing people in the west like Galloway. It's also an internationalist and tolerant country at the core, just ask an east european lib. They'll immediately start screaming how it's a judeo-bolshevik mutt horde lmao, we get such people even coming here to flaunt their hitlerite credentials.
>>2845752Kostantinivka is literally the Constantinople of our times. Same name too. I remember it being mentioned years ago, then a few months ago, now this strategic megacity has finally collapsed.
, a historical event that will echo for centuries
>>2845711>Zelensky seems to feel extremely confident about opening up a two front warWhy? Did they resolve their manpower issues? Did Belarus lose its capacity to strike Kiev at close range? Have they halted Russia’s advance into the Kramatorsk agglomeration? Are they so emboldened to invade in the
wrong direction again after Kursk? Zelensky may do something, but whatever it is, it’s not coming from a position of “extreme confidence”.
When anons crash out on me, it’s funny because it’s always the same point
>Ackshually I LOVE being taken for a ride by Ukrainian propaganda, stop interrupting me!And it ends up with fantasies of myself being assaulted and murdered.
Probably because, for example, I call oil facility strikes small, smokey fires contrary to Banderite propaganda of total refinery death and then we see a shot down drone billowing out black smoke having presumably been filled with oil to give a small, smokey fire even if it hits nothing because that was always the most important effect of drone strikes.
For all the accusations of cuckoldry, multiple anons ITT are dedicated to drinking up all Banderite propaganda and defending their propaganda despite knowing full well they’ve been deceived before and probably will be again, defending said propaganda like a gaslit housewife against those concerned by the bruises.
>>2845961Lmao Galloway is very cringe.
It’s not a left-right dichotomy with Russian support, they just support any state, institution or figure that opposes NATO interventionism. So it does involve “left-wing” states that have nationalised their economy and therefore isn’t for sale, as well as cringe rightoids who only oppose interventionism because they’ve been told by democrats it’s a charitable act.
G-guys?
Fuel sales at gas stations in Crimea have been suspendedIn Crimea, the unrestricted sale of fuel at gas stations, as well as its distribution via vouchers, has been suspended as of June 21. The restrictions apply to both individuals and legal entities, the head of the republic, Sergey Aksyonov, announced on Telegram.
According to Mr. Aksyonov, fuel will now be provided only to government agencies that ensure the region’s vital functions and security. The authorities promise to provide further updates on future decisions.
Restrictions on fuel sales on the peninsula have been in place for several weeks. In Sevastopol, a limit of 20 liters of gasoline per person was introduced at the end of May, and similar measures were subsequently extended to Crimea. The authorities attribute the situation to logistical difficulties.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/8761331But you see what I mean? It’s an insatiable thirst for propaganda. Years of planning beach parties is forgotten the instant Kiev blows the bridges and now they’re drinking deep from the “peninsula has become an island” glass.
>>2845926>Russia has spent a lot of time supporting left-wing people in the west like Galloway.Kill yourself as soon as possible
Alright honest question to all the nook ook people here:
Lets imagine Putin nukes kyiv and he kills zelensky and his ministers and all 2-3 million living there do you really think that would stop the war?
Because if you ask me the only thing that would achive is sign russias death warrent
>>2845966>Lmao Galloway is very cringe.I don't like him and I think he was trying to say Russia isn't homophobic but it's also great how he rolls the word "throbbing" in his Scottish brogue.
>It’s not a left-right dichotomy with Russian supportYeah. I concur. It doesn't really fall along left-right lines. It splits on both ends, and I think the extent to which the "left" or "right" side of a particular split finds expression in politics varies more depending on where you are in the world. Maybe it's reversed in Latin America? Also it changes over time. In the U.S., it's more the right that has been sympathetic to Russia. But I'm not sure that Melenchon in France is more pro-Ukraine than Bardella, although in the past Russia worked to cultivate ties with the National Rally. It seems like a more pro-Ukraine right is gathering momentum in Europe? I don't follow French politics that closely though.
Circling back to the U.S., there seems to be an effort underway on the right for Trump-aligned influencers to push an anti-Russia line. Laura Loomer has been doing this, as well as an account named Captive Dreamer who is another lunatic but repeats the Trump line very closely. But a year ago, that wasn't the case. There was a disastrous White House press conference. I think the reason for this is that Trump thought that Ukraine might collapse but doesn't think that now, and they're trying to discipline their own side.
>>2845991any reasoning to it or just vibes
>>2845986They don’t actually expect Russia to nook Ukraine. It’s just setting expectations for Kiev so low that attacking but not destroying oil facilities is an absolute catastrophe for Moscow, while setting expectations for Moscow so high that reducing Ukraine to complete economic dependency on NATO who in turn spends billions on keeping Kiev on life support is likewise an absolute catastrophe for Moscow.
Like I doubt Spurdo’s actual reaction to Russia launching nooks will be admiring Putin’s balls for finally doing so, it will be like most others in being shocked and scared about what happens next.
>>2845992Tbh European Far-Right parties have the policy of copying Trump’s rhetoric. But IMO there’s actually a schism in the American right over Russia, because the opinion of Tucker Carlson represents Trump’s pre-second Presidency attitude which is essentially
>We’re being surpassed by China because we keep blowing tax money on unnecessary political and military projects simply because liberals say it makes them look goodand thus whether it’s Obamacare or funding Ukraine, the logic is that the US economy is bad because the wealth is being spent on charitable causes. It’s therefore suicide to prop up a “shithole” like Ukraine in the same way it’s a waste to pay for a “crackhead’s rehab stay”, especially when you can demonstrate a Russia that has clean metro stations and Vkusno I Tochka borgers despite sanctions and a former addict who is now clean after locking themselves in a cupboard for a month and that not costing anyone a dime.
The schism starts because Trump isn’t actually all powerful and even if he genuinely wanted to cut Zelensky off, there’s just too much “swamp” ironically to force through such a drastic policy given Washington’s pre-Trump ambitions and likely post-Trump ambitions for Russia. People can be pro-Trump to the hilt and support anything for any reason, but I think seeing Trump look like he put Zelensky in his place for acting like an entitled brat and boasting about getting Ukraine to sign over their resources to US mining companies did enough to reframe support for Ukraine as not charitable but exploitative in fact and if Russia is as based as was claimed, they shouldn’t get in the way of that.
To be fair though, western liberal leaders did themselves no favours by allowing Zelensky and Kuleba to repeatedly humiliate their respective governments by putting them on the spot on camera with givas demands and accusations that they’re refusing their demands out of cowardice. The worst was Kuleba on camera telling the Germans to give them Taurus because the Americans will order them to anyway.
That’s good optics for people already invested in Ukraine via Russophobia, awkward and even shocking for the masses to hear their support was unappreciated, but an outrage for the American/Western Exceptionalists to have Ukraine speak to them like that.
>>2845626one of them accounts for 30% of world economy, the other less than 2%
>>28456783%
<The Ukrainian General Staff reports that total Russian casualties have now reached approximately 1,391,950 men since the start of the war in February 2022. For the past 24 hours, Ukraine reports 1,290 Russian casualties.
Does this mean russia is finally winning?
>>2845994Russia will have demonstrated that Ukraine will be totally destroyed if they continue on their path. Total unconditional surrender will be achieved 1 hour after Kiev has been turned into Chernobyl 2.0.
>>2845995>shocked and scaredThe only shocked and scared person would be you because then your dream of Ukrainian victory will have turned to ash.
>>2846003Unironically yes, if the claims have to become that outrageous.
>>2846005Has the internet ever seen such a tough guy as this one over here?
>>2846005>Total unconditional surrender will be achieved 1 hour after Kiev has been turned into Chernobyl 2.0I don't think its as simple as that I mean who would even handle the terms of surrender if the entire leadership is dead?
With Japan it was easier because the emperor Hirohito decided to end the war but even then people tried to coup him.
what you shouldn't forget is that NATO said that they would attack russia if they were to use nuclear bombs and I don't think russia could withstand a NATO invasion
>>2845995So in your opinion the situation in the war is less a failure in the Military Sense but much more a problem of optics and low expectations (toward Ukraine)?
>>2846008Yes, there’s the unreasonable expectation placed on Russia to be completely drone-proof despite the evidence that Ukraine is receiving NATO support in drone attacks.
Like I said the other day with the Moscow attack, the situation becomes pro-Ukrainians
claiming they’re celebrating Russia’s total defeat because 10 of over 500 drones reached Moscow’s outskirts, but what they’re
actually doing is scanning Russian news for reports of fuel price increases to merely celebrate the inconvenience the attack caused civilians because that’s how setting low expectations works.
Honestly I need a better hobby because the conflict isn’t even up for debate anymore, to argue with pro-Ukrainians now is to endlessly dispute the daily peremoga that they’ll memory hole the next day anyway.
Somehow seeing that drone being shot down with all the black oily smoke billowing out of it was unsatisfying. I knew I was correct that the small, smokey fires were about optics, but seeing how little Kiev actually respects its public to attempt falsifying small, smokey fires and the fact that their public are entirely deserving of such disrespect by immediately ignoring what they saw… I realise I’m the last person on Earth showing any respect to internet pro-Ukrainians by entertaining obviously deceitful narratives that they will never ever have the self-respect to be embarrassed about promoting.
Leftypol had me thinking a war between post-soviet shitholes was important LMAO
>>2846024>I realise I’m the last person on Earth showing any respect to internet pro-Ukrainians by entertaining obviously deceitful narratives that they will never ever have the self-respect to be embarrassed about promotingI suppose its simply in the nature of war that it will be fought not just on the ground but in the narrative aswell so there will always be bad faith actors who will talk and argue all day about the smallest of victories to make them seem big
I personally think the attacks on oil refinerys is a sound stratagy but attacking moscow itself was more of a propaganda attack in and of itself to demonstrate that even the most defended air Space can be "breached"
>>2846037I can understand the exaggeration of actual hits as you can blame that on the internet hype machine being its own beast, but filling drones up with oil in anticipation of hitting nothing is making a mug out of people and suggests fooling people is the absolute priority.
I mean sod NAFOids and my detractors ITT, if they’re for some reason motivated to be wilfully gullible for their own entertainment then I guess that’s fine for them, but drone strikes on oil facilities is the only card that Ukraine has to justify refusing surrender and they’re willing to lie about them if they actually fail to hit anything, which is what is actually keeping the war going and therefore proles and soldiers dying.
A lot of violence has been pathetically wished against me ITT for pissing on Ukraine’s propaganda parades, but if they’re continuing to be wilfully gullible for teh lolz, then ultimately what can I say they deserve that they don’t already know they deserve?
REmember when Cucktin-anons kept saying the missiles we being wasted playing whack-a-mole with train stations and convoys and so called bunkers? When instead the war could have ended in less than a year if 10% of those missiles were dedicated to leveling every administrative building from Mayor upwards, every Porky asset, every mansion, every bank and every yacht.
And of course first and foremost, the foreign press hotels and every locale housing an NGO not strictly a charity.
You'll get there eventually, it'll just be when the Cucktin press makes it their official line, after the ceasefire, to preserve consent.
>>2846087Uyghur it's been 5 years and Cucktin hasn't even touched the embassies INSIDE OF UKRAINE of the countries that are providing financial and military support to the Ukrainians. The uncuckening will never happen.
Ukrainian collapse status?
>>2846177its like one of those things that goes very slowlys then happens very fast. like the collapse of saigon in 1975 took them by surprise.
>>2845620Nato's only important member invented and then used nukes in anger and has filled Europe with its nuclear weapons, you total retard
>>2846003new cope numbers just dropped
How do Putinistas reconcile the fact that Iran managed to destroy the american world order in just three (3!) months while Russia can barely do any harm to just one of American dogs?
>>2846317A lot of the people pushing Putinism online are literally psyops officers, they will be shot if they ever admit they are militarily incompetent. This is why the two weeks meme exists, because if they ever admit Ukraine isnt on the verge of collapse theyd have to admit why that is.
>>2846351Ukraine has already collapsed. It's basically now just a giant prison run by the eu where the inmates are being droned by Russians and the second nato funding stops they'll eat each other.
>>2846391And yet, they still aren't surrendering. Almost like they're not and this is just cope because you refuse to accept you have no choice but to either give up or do it the hard way.
>>2846395Surrender is a function of a state. The prison operating within the territorial constraints formerly occupied by the state of Ukraine can't surrender any more than McDonald's can surrender to the Ayatollah. The eu press gangers can only be displaced from the space until the inhabitants are no longer subject to their violence.
>>2846003>Does this mean russia is finally winning?Yes, the most surefire way to know that Russia has taken a step towards victory recently is the Ukrainian infospace screeching about a massive Ukrainian peremoga trying to drown out the truth.
>>2846101Out of all the criticisms this is the most retarded one. Logistics of foreign support would just move into a more secure location while this would justify to support Ukraine even more
Americans destroyed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade and that was a diplomatical catastrophe for the US that affects relations even today.
Lukashenko has repeatedly stated that Belarus has no intention of waging war against any nation and “is not threatening anyone,” but Zelensky said his words have “meant nothing since the first day of the war.”
“If he does not remove them, we will remove everything ourselves. Similarly, we’re sending a message: please stop supplying fuel to the Russian army,” he added, insisting that this is not a threat.
Earlier this week, Lukashenko stated that those who seek to drag his nation into the conflict “will have to pay dearly for that,” demanding answers from Kiev regarding the strike on Bryansk Region, Russia that left six children injured and killed the wife of a Belarusian school soccer team coach who was accompanying the children to a Russian seaside resort.
READ MORE: Lukashenko warns of ‘war provocation’ after Ukrainian drone attack
Kiev has denied responsibility, while Zelensky said on Friday that it is Lukashenko who must “be honest” and prove Minsk’s peaceful intentions.
Belarusian Defense Minister Viktor Khrenin said it makes absolutely “no sense” for the country of 9 million people, which borders three NATO member states, to willingly join the conflict unless attacked first.
Besides the relay stations, Kiev has also identified and mapped out 500 other strategic military and logistical targets across Belarus, the commander of Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems Forces warned last month.
“They may well have identified 500 targets,” Lukashenko said in response. “But we have one very serious target, with precise coordinates. And it is not far from Belarus,” he added, apparently hinting at Kiev, which is just 90 kilometers from the border.
>>2846762>If you force your enemies to expend more resources you losethe absolute state
>Americans destroyed the Chinese embassy in BelgradeRemind me again, which side won that war? NATO or Serbia?
>Russia won't invade Ukraine, it isn't a bloodthirsty state like the US
>Russia will capture Kiev in two weeks, even days
>There aren't DPRK soldiers in Ukraine, that's Radio Free Asia propaganda
>The oil refinery didn't explode
>>2847086It was over the second Stalin's granddaughter became an Oregon punk
DPRK btfo'ing the kuraine.
The resurgence of Nazism is an unacceptable challenge to the fate and future of humanity.>The Zelensky clique, addicted to neo-Nazism, turned the barrels of their guns in confrontation against Russia—which had long been inseparable in all spheres, including history and culture—under the instigation of the West, bringing the worst regional security crisis with fire and fire back to the European region, the birthplace of the two world wars of the last century.<The fact that the resurgence of fascism today is spiraling into a realistic and actual threat cannot be separated from the conspiracy of the United States and the West, which vehemently defends it on the international stage.>The United States continued to oppose the UN’s annual resolution condemning the “heroization” of Nazism, making the preposterous claim that praising Nazism and all other misanthropic ideologies constitutes the realization of the right to “freedom of expression and assembly.”<European pseudo-politicians adopted a European Parliament resolution in 2019 stating that responsibility for the outbreak of World War II lay not only with Nazi Germany but also with the Soviet Union, and went on to deny the truth of history by claiming that the communist system caused “massacres, ethnic extermination, and forced displacement.”>The criminal atrocities of imperialists, who systematically revive neo-fascism by cloaking it in the guise of "democracy," create new breeding grounds for war, and violate the peace of the planet, cannot be justified by anything.<…>>2846578>>2847536The plan is to pay for more United Russia shills online so that the reality of Russia losing can get explained away by an army of shitposters. Ukraine is literally going to kick out the Russians from Crimea over the next year they've already strangled all logistical routes with drones and now it's just a matter of slowly starving them out.
Remember when Ukrainians were peremogaing with their attempted counterattack and not with drones?
>>2847550Question is why hasnt Russia succeeded in this mid range drone warfare?
>>2847639diplomat who actually says he is ready to do his job. in the Ukraine and EU the job of diplomats is to give scalding statements how even being in the same room as them is a privilege that must be earned by giving concessions or totally capitulating.
>Geez this guy's been president for 25+ years and seems to follow an honor system that no one in the west gives a shit about
found under a cyberspec telegram post and i think its pretty clear who he is talking about
>>2847103no…it was oregover..
>>2847550What will champagne say when this happens? How will he spin the loss of Crimea as good for Russia?
>>2847932He's already testing talking points. Constantly referring to "beach party 2023" is his cope of how Ukraine taking Crimea later than expected is somehow still a Russian victory lol.
>>2848004>>2847932>>2847550In this offensive to retake Crimea, how does the Ukrainian military aim to cross the bridges they’ve blown to cut Crimea off from Ukraine?
Haven’t you got the critical thinking skills to wonder why for most of this conflict Ukraine has been trying to destroy the Kerch bridge from Russia to Crimea for that same purpose of cutting supply routes to Kherson, but now all of a sudden Ukraine sees it necessary and acceptable to cut off Crimea from mainland Ukraine?
>>2848004>Ukraine taking Crimea later than expectedWhy would he stop referencing it when you're still clearly asshurt and coping about it? They couldn't even hold Kursk after invading it lmao.
>>2848054There’s no such dimension to this conflict according to pro-Ukrainians where you can be “later than expected”. You either capture something in a day or you’ve been caught in one of Ukraine’s well laid traps and you’ve already lost even if you do capture whatever it is.
>>2833989>you believe in conditional neutrality? that pales in effectiveness to my strategy, denazification to prevent nuclear war>nuke russian-speaking cityZcucks…
The fact that the Rada is still standing and there is a government/bourgeoisie inside Ukraine which can operate under the open skies without having their *everything* kalibrated is such an indictment of Cucktin.
It shows the RF has full solidarity for the NATO bougies and wishes for nothing else but to be in their good graces again.
>>2848104What good would blowing up a puppet theatre do?
All the decision makers are outside of the Ukraine. Even half of their army comes from Columbia.
Again with the high expectations. Russia MUST destroy the Rada, while Ukraine lightly damaging a flagpole over the Kremlin basically was destroying the Duma in spirit.
Win Kudos, Not Wars!
>>2848121Drone attacks will continue for another 12 years.
>conflict originating in astroturfed culture war between bilingual oligarchs fighting over which neoliberal they should ask for market access
>is larpy
it took 400,000 deaths, but we can now rejoice the birth of a new ameriKKKan client state and yet another rust belt for expat patriotZ to speculatively invest in from their barcelona yacht. LeftKKKoms will be left speechless…
>>2848063Russia has lost tons of ground thanks to logistics failing during this war with Cherson being best example.
>>2848174Russians are literally pushing the Ukranians out of Lyman as you write that. Meanwhile nafotards are still debating on Wikipedia whether bakhmut was actually captured by Russians. Your post is literally the perfect example of Ukranians winning on tiktok and instagram while losing ground in reality. 99% of you are suspiciously quiet anytime something blows up in Ukraine (everyday occurrence btw)
Tbh the fundamental flaw in Ukraine’s current plan to avoid losing in Donbass by trying to instigate a Russian coup in the 11th hour via “humiliation” is assuming that Russians are as eager to be swayed by pro-Ukrainian hype as pro-Ukrainians are.
Zelensky recently referred to the drones as “long range sanctions” playing up to his crowd (despite the intrinsic irony there in that actual sanctions didn’t work because not enough of the world stands with Ukraine) and the crowd seems ecstatic that he’s allayed their fears that the situation is no longer a laughing matter. So it’s apparent that Ukrainian victory only becomes impossible in the minds of pro-Ukrainians if they ever stop laughing and that really frames the “confidence” we’re seeing differently.
However, the recent tactical lol’ing @ Crimea IMO doesn’t just demand Russians to for some reason get as hyped for Kiev’s attacks as pro-Ukrainians are, it also demands them to memory hole over a decade of Kiev exploiting Crimea’s vulnerable geographical position in an attempt to starve the population out so this can be a new development, as well as memory hole historical events like the Siege of Leningrad so it can be a matter of embarrassment rather than genocidal intent.
At best you’ll get more people wishing and demanding Putin reciprocates that genocidal intent, but punishing Crimean civilians with a siege for not even slightly showing discontentment with Russian annexation throughout peace and war, is as likely to make people amiable to capitulation to NATO/Ukraine as you can imagine the Nazis saying “lol bread status?” during their siege would.
>>2848613The purpose of this latest round of attacks seems to be baiting Russia into attacking EU directly, Ukrainian commanders said as much. While that would be based on face value, the fact is, Denmark can close their straits in response and that would be problematic for a lot of logistics and exert much more pressure than anything they did so far. I would assume there is also a domestic reason, eurocuck politicians in general are extremely unpopular and they want that boost.
>>2848613>trying to instigate a Russian coupeveryone knows russians can't jump
>>2848662That’s also all true, but ultimately these attacks are as usual for NATO militaries, seeking a shortcut to victory whether that’s via a coup out of embarrassment, or economic sanctions or yeah justifying physically closing Russia’s borders and ports.
That’s what makes it so ironic when people suggest that Russia slogging it at the frontlines is a sign of weakness, while Ukraine/NATO is stronk for having plans A through Z for how they’re going to force a Russian surrender or collapse without necessarily defeating their military in Donbass.
>>2848677>seeking a shortcut to victory whether that’s via a coup out of embarrassment, or economic sanctions or yeah justifying physically closing Russia’s borders and ports.are you implying meatgrinder is more dignified? i don't see a single reason why european countries should commit and join the war
i'm also pretty sure they're planning on destroying occupying force after they've done with the economy
as it will be much easier
>>2848714>>2848716>>2848718It’s a meatgrinder only when Russia is advancing mind you.
But slogging it out at the frontlines is how wars have been fought since time immemorial, it’s NATO who uniquely expects to be able to win conflicts by doing stuff like a counteroffensive in the wrong direction or bombing Crimean bridges and supply networks means that somehow it just becomes Ukrainian again because, like, it loses military value so Russia will just leave and it becomes captured by the Ukrainians by default despite still having most of Kherson and Zaporozhye between the front and Crimea’s connection to the mainland.
It’s treating war like it’s a stock market, you can win if the sentiment on your side is bullish enough.
Have Ukrainians and natoids been especially asshurt with Lyman and Kostiantynivka? We have this same PR-operations show every time Ukrainian lines are falling. This time it was Moscow and de-mothballing the crimea is encircled meme, but this time the infospace seems really insistent on burying this. Are these cities really that big of a deal?
>>2848723I really doubt they care all that much. Even the most impressionable people are trained in calling those strategically irrelevant villages by now. The fact is, strikes are prepared in advance, and for Ukraine all strikes are accompanied by squealing on social media.
>>2848723Also Kupyansk
>>2848726I think Ukrainian high command recognises the significance of the Kramatorsk conglomeration. Half the reason they put so much into BAKHMUT HODLS was to halt Russia’s advance towards Kramatorsk well before they could reach the outer reaches of Konstantinovka and they’re paying the price for it now Russia reached it and Lyman anyway.
>>2848721>But slogging it out at the frontlines is how wars have been fought since time immemorialnot really, it's a result of offensive power lapping defensive over time
you are also under false impression nato is somehow involved in this conflict which it is not (not really) as it's got nothing to lose or gain from it
>>2848723>>2848726they've been trading ground for casualties for years now, it's assumed they're going to lose ground eventually
>>2848730Except for pledging $380 billion on aid for Ukraine as of March 2024 so fug knows what actual spending is up to now or if it includes hidden costs like being provided free ongoing access to Starlink.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_financial_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_warWhich is pocket money right? You couldn’t build any schools or hospitals with that kind of scratch.
>>2848738it's our money we do what we want with it
the real question is: when russia surrenders does poland get kuril islands? no.
when ukraine surrenders does russia get to tell europeans what to do? no. nothing's lost of gained either way.
Like imagine that, this conflict ends with Ukrainian aid reaching a trillion dollars around the same time Elon Musk becomes a trillionaire and sad cases are still claiming this is all money you find down the back of the sofa and erm have you looked at the ForexGDPPPPSP500 statistics lately?
>>2848742>it's our moneySo some the Warsaw Pact legacy still lives on in Poland lmao
>>2848730> it's assumed they're going to lose ground eventuallyNatoids are not assuming such a thing. They are hell bent on pretending that the lines are static or Ukraine is advancing. Also while they can easily hide the evidence of casualties, losing of grounds raises questions about Ukrainian casualty rates.
This war is a heinous insult to the millions of Soviet people who lost their lives in WW2, in a war of aggression. The only justice to their memory was to ensure that the Soviet people would never lose their lives in pointless wars, either started by enemies of themselves. That memory was already besmirched by the pointless USSR invasion of Afghanistan, and now Putin is shitting on their graves one again. To add insult to injury, all victims of this war are the descendents of the Soviet people.
>>2848750Ah that’s the insult? Not Ukraine making Bandera their national hero? Despite the obvious irony of choosing a guy who failed to create a Ukrainian state over Lenin who succeeded at it?
>>2848753Of course in the demented minds of nationalists, a mere cultural move, no matter how odious, is more insulting than the murder of 400,000 people. Go join the front you subhuman sociopath
>>2848754>by yielding space.Ukraine is suicidally opposed to this though.
I unironically support killing warmongers. If the default reaction worldwide to warmongering would be getting instantly murked, then the action potential to start wars would be higher, and lots of lives would be saved. In a just world, Putin and Zelensky would have been assassinated on the very first day of war by their bodyguards.
>>2848755>subhumanSpoken like a true Nazi with Banderite Characteristics
>>2848753Lenin made mistakes too
Euro medias and the Ukrainian gouv spent the last month saying Ukraine is winning ground, so Ukrainians influencers have to keep quiet on what's happening.
Ukraine lost thousands of soldiers in Bakhmut and Chasov Yar to protect Konstantinovka, only for the city last to fall in one month because the south-west part of the city was unprotected, and now Druzhkivka then Kramatorsk are open from the south. If Lyman fall next month the whole agglomation will be surrounded and starved by drones like what happened in Konstantinovka.
Ukrainians will probably continue counter-offensiv in Zaporijie or Dnipropetrovsk to keep the propaganda happy
Also that’s so Ukrainian though right? To reject Lenin as moskal invader creating a false Ukrainian state to suppress the real Ukrainian nation, but instead keep the Soviet borders and just honour their existence to a guy whose last name is Polish despite also having a genocidal hatred for Poles.
You couldn’t write that shit. It can only be born of opportunism and apologia for said opportunism.
>>2848721>But slogging it out at the frontlines is how wars have been fought since time immemorial, it’s NATO who uniquely expects to be able to win conflicts by doing stuff like a counteroffensive in the wrong direction or bombing Crimean bridges and supply networks means that somehow it just becomes Ukrainian again>>2848723>Have Ukrainians and natoids been especially asshurt with Lyman and Kostiantynivka? We have this same PR-operations show every time Ukrainian lines are falling. This time it was Moscow and de-mothballing the crimea is encircled meme, but this time the infospace seems really insistent on burying this. Are these cities really that big of a deal?One of the odd things about this war is that there's not a lot of soldiers on the front line in any given place. Observers often talk about a "gray zone" (no relation to Max Blumenthal) rather than a "front line" (which is kind of an abstraction) that is now up to 20 kilometers deep, in some cases even 50 kilometers. And within that zone, there are strongpoints of soldiers scattered throughout it, and dug into hardened, partially underground shelters. But there might only be a couple of guys in a single strongpoint. So advancing is really about infiltrating a small group of guys, maybe even one, two, or three men between these strongpoints, digging in, and then being resupplied by drone while trying not to get killed in the process. And just doing that over and over again in different areas. Then they will try to get into a position where strongpoints can be isolated and starved out, or assaulted very quickly with overwhelming local force (which again, might not be that many guys).
There's no choice because there are killbots flying around everywhere like in a dystopian sci-fi movie. It's a radicalization of a centuries-long trajectory towards increasing dispersion of manpower in warfare as weapons become more and more lethal.
I think this is probably why these mid-range Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian supplies 100 kilometers behind the "front line" have become important to Ukraine. They want to expand this "gray zone" into the Russian rear area. Russia wants to do that to Ukraine as well. On both sides, roads leading to the "front" can be covered for kilometers with nets to reduce the threat of drone attacks. But does that really change much in terms of territory gained/lost? It doesn't help the side getting its supply trucks blown up, but idk.
But this might also be why the pro-Ukraine side is not that asshurt about Kostyantynivka (or Konstantinovka if you prefer), although pro-Ukraine accounts describe a dire situation in the city. I think Ukraine is losing the city, but it's not a grand battle like Bakhmut, which the Ukrainians also threw a lot of soldiers into and tried to win, because the political leadership wanted to have something big and symbolic they could use to take to the West while asking for money. I think that concluded that was a mistake. But that way of attacking is also extremely costly for the Russians. Instead, the Russians are attacking now in groups of literally two people. Then two people somewhere else. It adds up to around several hundred Russian soldiers in the city by now.
There are different pro-Ukrainian mappers who try to visualize who controls what, and they can't agree. One thinks the Russians control 40% of the city, another one thinks the Russians control 70% (probably more this), and one thinks the Russians control 1% (somehow doubt that). But "control" is a fuzzy concept, what's happening is there's no sudden surge of Russians or collapse of Ukrainians, instead Ukrainian control just erodes gradually over time and Russian control gradually grows. It takes months. This is done in tandem with Russian drone attacks on the Ukrainian supply rear. If you're a Ukrainian soldier, to get in and out of the city means traveling 10 kilometers on foot or in a motorcycle.
Does anyone think this will end one day?
>>2848778this war or war in general?
>>2848747this might be a projection
>>2848750ww2 was also started by soviet aggression
>>2848753hruszewski proclaimed ukraine republic, lvov acknowledged it
lenin gave ukrainians an autonomy within the new horde, that's different
>>2848778of course not - steppe civilizations always try to invade settled civilizations and always will
even if russians manage to invade europe and settle there a new steppe civilization will emerge and begin invading the new russians
>>2848769Sure but low morale is a reason why you lose wars, high morale doesn’t necessarily win wars because you can do the shock and awe thing while shouting Slava Ukraine! or Don’t Fuck With America! and have bags of morale in the immediate aftermath, but if the enemy doesn’t seem as shocked or in awe as was presumed they would be, it creates doubt and insecurity negating the morale boost anyway.
So it ends up with this performance we see on Xitter where there has to be a feint where you show the small smokey fires implying massive irreparable damage that has Russians quivering with rage and humiliation, but they also need to take mocking tone like it’s just a meme bro it’s just a prank we did it for our own entertainment because inevitably the damage isn’t quite as shocking or awe inspiring as with first appearances and predictions of imminent Russian surrender/collapse/coup/this summer will be interesting/this winter will be interesting don’t come to pass.
>>2848792>Sure but low morale is a reason why you lose wars, high morale doesn’t necessarily win wars … but if the enemy doesn’t seem as shocked or in awe as was presumed they would be, it creates doubt and insecurity negating the morale boost anyway.Well yeah. It's a "dialectical" interaction between opposing forces. There are subjective and objective conditions. Morale is on the subjective side, which interacts with the objective side (logistics, technology, manpower). What this means is that a materially superior force can fail in certain conditions. But you do need weapons, if you just run out of ammo you're done. There was a debate about this in another thread but Mao's theories were about primary and secondary contradictions, but these can actually flip around, which is what causes the thing to transform. The U.S. in Afghanistan vs. the Taliban is a great example.
>So it ends up with this performance we see on Xitter … predictions of imminent Russian surrender/collapse/coup/this summer will be interesting/this winter will be interesting don’t come to pass.You have a point here. Well it's like everything has its opposite, and can (or will) turn into its opposite. Failure can be the mother of success, but success can also be the architect of future failure, because you get overconfident. You start taking greater and greater risks. So it's the very thing that strengthens a force that can also weaken it. Let's take Germany in World War II as an example.
>>2848778ive been convinced this crisis will only expand to include western europe for a few years now
>>2848778Russian companies are making millions. So forever war it is.
>>2846005And Putin's rule would end soon thereafter because many Russians (and Belarusians) have a ton of family living in Ukraine
Why are (non-slav) ziggers like this?
>>2848924Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
>>2848753Of course quoting Ivan Ilyin, statues to Kolchak and Gregory Zass, rimming the assholes of anti-communist Orthodox Patriarchs, building churches dedicated to dead czars, inviting
white nationalists to rub shoulders with other reactionary anti-communists and human traffickers and pedophile porkies, allying the Taliban
None of that is sufficiently reactionary to warrant the deaths of hundreds of thousands or millions of Russians or justifies wanting Russia to lose or cease to exist
Strange, it's almost like Ziggerism is indistinguishable from great Russian nationalism
And I know people are going to reply with
>butwhattaboutukraine
But that doesn't explain why you're so committed to wanting Russia to win
>b-but anti-communism
Every time the KPRF threatens to overtake United Russia in the Duma elections or they raise a stink, they're cracked down upon. This has been the case for 30 years now.
If the Communist party of Ukraine continued to be legal, but every time they did well in the polls or threatened to oust Zelensky or Servant of the People their offices were raided, their candidates banned and Oligarch media launched campaigns against them, would you argue Ukraine was anti-communist?
And don't forget that the same statements uttered by the KRPF are denounced as class-collab sucdem literal ᴉuᴉlossnW reactionary fascism when western parties do it
<B-but muh Proletarian vs Bourgeois multipolarity
Don't care
>>2848750>That memory was already besmirched by the pointless USSR invasion of Afghanistan,That wasn't the only time they did that shit, that was just the time they got BTFO the hardest.
>>2849695>But that doesn't explain why you're so committed to wanting Russia to winmaybe it's because the West losing is good. The burgerreich winning is just another stepping stone in the world domination scheme, while Russia losing just opens the way for them to better topple everyone else that hasn't bent the knee, until they have achieved the end goal of unchallenged world domination. Take Russia off the board, then Iran, China and many others become easier as the next targets.
Or maybe it's because they just want to see you seethe and rope.
>>2849699But that's just it; nothing is fundamentally changing. For all the bombastic claims the West is losing and Russia is ascendant and we're now living in a new multipolar order. Nothing fundamentally changes. The actors themselves aren't behaving much differently either. Everyone still has to show up for work tomorrow, everyone's still getting fucked by capital. The grand apocalyptic Manichean final battle between Good and Evil heralding the total victory over imperialism and the dawn of a socialist order never arrives. Instead "both sides" behave more the same.
"Multipolar Anti-Imperialist Russia" invites white nationalists, anti-communist reactionaries and pedophile porkies to conferences, allies the Taliban, continues to trade with Israel.
Yea maybe that makes people like me seethe and rope (not really). But wasn't this supposed to be about communism?
>>2848765This sums up my issue will all these maps nicely. It's meaningless. "Capturing" Kostanynovka and yeeting all the Ukrainian soldiers from the city limits is not going to remove the surrounding area from the grey zone.
There's another issue I have generally with this and that is how something like Kursk is denounced as a useless PR stunt, but then you look at the Donbas and its not clear to me what they're exactly achieving.
I get why the AFU tries to capture global media attention so they get more givas to continue the war, but who the fuck in Russia cares about the outhouse at the edge of Stinky? I don't get the impression from my friends or (other) Russians online that they care much about all this territorial "progress" at all. Capturing Kharkiv or Kyiv might change things proper, but there's not nothing left of many of these Donbas settlements anyway.
There's so much pressure on commanders to show "somethings happening" to pundit fluffers who can then show their war voyeur audience that there's progress and something's
happening and everyone's stiffies are maintained for a little longer, that people don't take a moment to pause and consider what it all means. Which is not much at all.
Like is Kramatorsk gonna be the money shot where everyone cums and then Ukraine loses for good this time?
Logistics status?
>>2849693>Of course quoting Ivan Ilyin, statues to Kolchak and Gregory Zass, rimming the assholes of anti-communist Orthodox Patriarchs, building churches dedicated to dead czars, inviting white nationalists to rub shoulders with other reactionary anti-communists and human traffickers and pedophile porkies, allying the TalibanNone of that is sufficiently reactionary to warrant the deaths of hundreds of thousands or millions of Russians or justifies wanting Russia to lose or cease to exist
Strange, it's almost like Ziggerism is indistinguishable from great Russian nationalism
All of this prevelant in ukrainian nationalism, much more so in fact
>>2849695>if the communist party in ukraine were still legal>ifkek, you see the problem dont you? explain to me why we wouldnt want ukraine to lose?
>>2849705>allies the Taliban,people like you were cheering the taliban in their epic struggle against soviet imperialism, not sure what's so bad about russia having relations with them today.
and just stop pretending you care about communism.
>>2849695>Don't careCool, didn't ask.
>>2849723Mate I literally wasn't born back then, and as far as I'm concerned NATO stomping out the Taliban in 2001 was a good thing.
>just stop pretending you care about communism.I'm not pretending. People here are though.
>>2849721Also Communist parties are legal in America, last time I checked they aren't in Iran
You supp00rted Trump bombing Iran… right?
This guy is really a new incarnation of Papiez and not the Pollack? This guy is Russian? I don't check this thread often because I know this war won't develop for another decade or so.
>>2849705>constantly downplays ukrainian nationalism>cant mention ukrainian nationalism without mentioning russia somehowGeez, its almost you want to depict ukrainian nationalism a product of the russian state when in fact it was cultivated and encouraged by the west as a counterweight to the soviet Union.
>>2849693Ah yes Russian nationalists and the Orthodox Church, Lenin’s most ardent supporters. That must be where I get my opinions from lmao
>>2849732Where did I downplay it? Go on, quote it.
>Counterweight to the Soviet UnionAh yes, the the USSR famously existed in the late 19th century.
Anyway if the odious history of Ukronationalism is a reason not to supp00rt Ukraine. Why are some of you supp00rting Russia when its the same thing? What's your personal stake in all this?
>>2849731I'm not Grillpill
Yes we want 1991 borders but like come on who gives a fuck about Stinky right?
>>2849734Yet your don't excuse Ukrainian reactionaries and anti-communism. Curious.
>>2849736The people I know in Russia don't care, the people here care very little generally. Do you struggle differentiating between governments and ordinary people?
>>2849737Did you just squeal about whataboutism?
>CuriousOh my god did you just UNIRONICALLY quote Turning Point USA!? Moooooooods!
>>2849740So you keep saying.
>>2849741Having a melty again? I'm not the one claiming to support Ukraine because Russia is a fascist nazi dictatorship or whatever. Do you understand the difference? Do you understand what I'm getting at here, which isn't that I'm excusing Bandera statues, guys walking around with sonnerad hoodies, and sieg heiling on kill cams? But why people claiming to support Russia because it's fighting a "nazi dictatorship" are chill with the rampant chauvinism, rimming of anti-communist reactionaries and statues to fascists and genocidaires on the other side?
Do you understand how this is separate from whataboutism?
>>2849744Nah it’s really funny that you accused me of rimming Russian nationalists and then immediately quoted a Charlie Kirk poster.
I understand that Ukraine is currently your playground that you’re escaping to from whatever life you had that bored you so much, which means perhaps you have a conflict of interest in downplaying the fascism and overplaying the claim that Ukrainians are unfazed by the conflict.
>>2849744>>2849744>>2849740>>2849737>>2849735>>2849730>>2849727>>2849726Behold the person with non arguments.
>Do you understand what I'm getting at here, which isn't that I'm excusing Bandera statues, guys walking around with sonnerad hoodies, and sieg heiling on kill cams? ButOh no…. its retarded. Btw its telling that you mistake me for a person that "supports" russia (what does that mean exactly) where on the other hand you live in ukraine, directly contributing to the war effort via paying taxes lol. You answered my question with a another question like… you dont see how disingenuous that is? Or are you just retarded?
>>2849747What am I downplaying? There's a literal Bandera statue here not too far away from where I live. I can still acknowledge that whilst recognizing the overwhelming majority of people here are not nazis.
Why is supp00rting Ukraine considered inseparable from approving of and abetting the odious history of Ukronationalism, Fascist units, Nazism, Anti-communism and so on, but not supp00rting Russia? What's the difference between these two?
>>2849749Genuinely I don’t think he actually comprehends why anecdotal evidence like
>I have had gay sex in Ukraine and I haven’t been murdered by a skinhead>I met a TCC officer who neither bungled me as a foreigner into a van nor my Ukrainian accomplice on that particular day>I’ve gotten high with people on both sides and they told me they don’t care about this conflict aren’t valid when so much actual evidence exists.
>>2849750Because you think a statue is just an inanimate apolitical object, apparently. That’s downplaying it.
>>2849749I have explained the argument several times, but see the above post for another attempt.
Also Fascist statues have some sort of magical aura to them that turns everyone around them into a nazi? You do realize it's possible to disapprove of statue like that, whilst still
recognizing that the people living around them aren't literal hitlerites right?
Especially like the part btw where the part about Iran banning communist parties isn't replied to. Can the anti-imperialistas ITT explain why communists shouldn't support the war against Iran, but should against Ukraine?
>>2849752I didn't know we live in a literal fantasy setting where statues have magical auras. I apologize. My bad.
>>2849756>Also Fascist statues have some sort of magical aura to them that turns everyone around them into a nazi?Putting the cart before the horse there.
>Mate I literally…Oh no, don’t say it’s so, you’re not from the UK are you?
>>2849751I also met a bunch of TCC agents at the park a few weeks ago who were literally doing nothing, and only asked passer bys if they had exceptions so they could scan them and pretend they were actually working whilst in reality they were spending their time chilling.
Point is, things are complex and varied. I know there's some autists ITT who struggle with that. But my point about the TCC for example was never that busification videos were fake or that stuff doesn't happen. Which is what I was accused of. It's that there's a big difference between everyone being a nazi and fascist symbolism. (Did everyone in Spain turn fascist the second Franco won the civil war?)
>>2849759No, but I have UK friends, so I've picked up their mannerisms
Nah you’re right not-grillpill, the bandera statues are like the obelisk in 2001 a Space Oddessy, it just suddenly appeared one day and people who would become Azov, Aidar, Right Sektor, etc just touched it in curiosity and suddenly evolved into fascists.
That is exactly how statues work.
>>2849759>Oh no, don’t say it’s so, you’re not from the UK are you?Are you simple? I use "she'll be right" in speech constantly, would you accuse me of being an aussie?
мимо >>2849760No I understand your point that although there is much footage of people being kidnapped off the street, brutality towards those who resist and reports of people not surviving the TCC jail after being given false bills of good health by the doctor, personally and anecdotally you’ve seen some polite TCC officers in Lvov and thus the ONLY conclusion to be drawn is Ukraine is a real mixed bag, the world’s morally grey, homophobic remarks are warranted for anyone who won’t accept that.
>>2849767“just chuck her in the Ute, fucking heaps of space back there, just chuck her in there” is an expression I wish I could use
>>2849756>shouldn't support the war against Iran, but should against Ukraine?They might be all capitalists but the USA is literally the most dangerous and unstable entity that has ever existed in human history. USA is NAZI Germany but with nukes and 5x the population. Russia and Iran are fighting against it and it's puppets. Better weaken the USA now before they try to commit another Operation Barbarossa from a position of strength.
I don't want Putler to get old 😢💔💔💔
>>2849782Hysterical. But at least you admit this is about "bourgeois vs proletarian nations" and has very little to do with communism.
>>2849785one he dies russians will get a new, younger one and we will once more will be able to gawk at ridiculous showcases how different from the previous one the new one is. since putin's a luddite i'm betting on pictures with computer parts.
>>2849802China and the CPC are the main beneficiary of capitalist infighting so it is about communism.
So Ukrainians are fighting to preserve their nationstate from an invasion (Russians call this nazism) while Russia is fighting to expand its vast colonial empire by enslaving yet another people and eradicating their culture (Ukrainians call this genocide). Remind me again who are the bad guys in this war?
>>2849858Is this copypasta from Zionists?
>Attack energy infrastructure in Crimea as a “military target”
>Celebrate claims that civilians are fleeing Crimea en masse
They can’t keep getting away with it!
>>2849756Do you think they have to run around with literal hitler mustaches to make them nazi or nazi sympathizers?
>>2849858>nationstateoh no
Baking bread.
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