Listen up, I'm only going to say this once:
Sir noncey noncey nonce nonce nonce nonce
What's the latest on Zarah Sultana and Grassroots Left? Have they disbanded completely
>>2829198Is Kier donezo after these new releases? Or is he still managing to hold on?
Don’t worry about a civil war or a right wing revolution in the UK, if that happened the Murdoch media would lose all its money
>>2829280He’s going to insist on being leader for 10 years
Apparently Reform may now lose Makerfield because too many of their supporters are swapping to Restore
What the fuck is happening to this shithole island
>>2829198To all the idiots claiming that NI politcs don't affect the mainland, and that anti-catholic hatred is solely located amongst loyalists in Northern Ireland.
Explain why the English police, in the UK, left Henry Nowak, a Polish catholic to be left to die after being stabbed, not only did they leave him to die, they actively cuffed him while leaving the murderer in peace.
Briths society is rotten to the core by radical protestantism, 90% of Britain's protestants worship the king as their gods, and we're supposed to think this is a modern secular country ? We laught when that american prayed to Trump on the Hoover damn, but the British do that everyday.
You are a backwards barbarian people, and it's a bloody shame Napoleon lost at Trafalgar.
Does the British right bring up privatizing healthcare? Do you use us as a counterargument?
>>2829470>Explain why the English police, in the UK, left Henry Nowak, a Polish catholic to be left to die after being stabbed, not only did they leave him to die, they actively cuffed him while leaving the murderer in peace.you think if he was a prot that would have gone differently? dumbass lol.
>>2829470I don't think there is the same religious dynamic in Britain as there id in Ireland. It only exists in Ireland because it is an expression of settler colonialism.
>>2829526I disagree, it's not that while ago that they had "No blacks, no Irish, no dogs" sign in shops in England. Even Brexit was justified by hatred of the polish catholics.
The British governement spent years telling people to hate the Irish, to hate the catholic poors, and to hate the catholic immigrants, they legalised the murder of catholic civilians protesting for their rights, it has to reflect on British society as a whole.
you know what, i'm gonna let him have saying the stabbing thing was anti-catholic prejudice. it beats rightoids bleating that it's anti-white. (change the fucking record)
>>2829530idk about the stabbing in itself, It's more the cops reactions, cuffing the guy, mocking him and denying him the help he needed while he was bleeding to death, this goes far beyond incompetance and is active malice.
>>2829210All quiet on the Zarah front, afaik she's largely gone awol since the yorp election, not actively involved in the attempts to salvage anything from moribund yorp.
Grassroots left has been disbanded for all intents and purposes as half the groups involved quietly withdrew, while the remaining ones split into roughly two camps, one affiliated with the 'members charter' (these ones are trying create a split from yorp by loudly demanding karie murphy let them create branches and give them membership data and then announcing their own party when they get ignored, they had an online meeting the other day that managed to get 100 boomers and have renamed themselves 'socialist federation') and one with the 'connections' network (these ones are trying host a series of 'conferences of the left' to discuss the prospects for a new left party following the failure of yorp and start from the ground up, they're having their first in-person conference in sheffield this weekend iirc).
Overall things are dissipating into nothing, what links and groups briefly flared up from Grassroots left are dying off, most are disillusioned and tired and returning to whatever they were doing before yorp in their local areas. At most it'll latently serve as a foundation for a future party but the energy isn't there for it just now.
The left needs a Dominic Cummings type. Someone who recognises
A) the total rot of every institution meaning that simply electing a left-wing government would achieve nothing. hell, winning a revolution would mean nothing because the revolutionaries would almost certainly just try to use the same machinery.
B) the total lack of talent by basically all the major players
C) the fact it doesn't have to be like this and that certain groups, institutions, and even people have had outside effects by deploying certain replicable principles and approaches. These are "high performance institutions" and should be learned from. A future communist party has more to learn from the Apollo Program than from the CPSU.
It's a shame he's gone completely fucking mental and had his brain poisoned by Twitter because his basic vision c. 2019 wasn't even that bad.
Some free ideas:
>Radical Error-Correction: High-performance systems are built on rapid feedback loops. Organizations must constantly test policies, accept when things fail, and adapt—a process he argues is stifled by traditional political "u-turn" taboos
>Speed over cost: In project management, moving slowly is often far more expensive than being wrong. Fast implementation allows for rapid course correction.
>Resilience via redundancy: Modern institutions obsess over "efficiency" by cutting slack, which destroys resilience. High-performance architectures explicitly build in redundant systems to withstand massive, unexpected shocks
>Systems Engineering & Complexity: Leaders must apply proven systems management techniques. Government and institutions must balance a central strategic vision with extreme operational decentralization, allowing fast, unbureaucratic decisions.
>"Viciously" small teams: Complex projects fail when too many people are involved. Organizations should rely on a very small number of highly capable people with extreme focus.
>The "Skunk Works" model: Modeled after Lockheed Martin's famous radical engineering division, Cummings advocates for isolating elite, cross-functional teams away from corporate or civil service bureaucracies to let them build and test freely
>Character over competence: When selecting leaders, look for intelligence, will, and character. He warns that if someone has intelligence and will but lacks character, "the first two will kill you".
>Extreme horizontal communication: Traditional hierarchies stifle information in vertical silos. Teams must communicate freely across departments without being constrained by traditional "boss/employee" protocols to catch and fix errors instantly
>Progress requires attacking the ‘system of systems’ problem at the right ‘level’. Attacking the problems directly — let’s improve policy X and Y, let’s swap ‘incompetent’ A for ‘competent’ B — cannot touch the core problems, particularly the hardest meta-problem that government systems bitterly fight improvement
>Quantitative Literacy: Political decision-makers often suffer from a lack of numeracy. Cummings advocates for training leaders in basic statistics, probability, and modeling (e.g., a "Maths for Presidents" curriculum) rather than relying on classical humanities backgrounds.
>True Expertise vs. Charisma: He urges distinguishing between genuine experts (who understand the predictability of their domain) and "bluffers" (confident insiders whose noisy judgments often lack empirical accuracy).
Yes, i did use google's AI summary. Low status, i know, but Cummings has a tendency to prattle on and I'm more interested in throwing out some ideas.
20 points to the first person who compares the "viciously small teams" thing to vanguardism….
>>2829565Imma be real with you, I read bits of your post and I'm too hungover to decipher whatever bullshit it is you're selling
>>2829572 - For anything from an actual lib-dem party to a communist party that isn't shit, we should plagarize the structure of Vote Leave, the Apollo program, or Steve Jobs' Apple instead of launching yet another trot sect, boomer reactionary cult, or whatever the fuck YORP thought they were doing.
- When fantasising about being British Stalin/Mao/Attlee (as all leftists secretly do), remember to allude to massive civil service/administrative state reform on a similar model or I'll insult you for shoddy worldbuilding.
- Move fast and break things > move slow and what the fuck do you mean you missed the deadline to register for the local elections in Scotland and Wales jesus christ
>>2829577
Settle down Dominic.
>>2829577
Settle down, Sir Starmer. It's just a bit of banter.
>>2829577
Lol, unionist crying because we pointed the truth out
>>2829584You love diversity so much don't you, so deeply in your heart, the worse diverse people behave the more you love them, I'd love to be there when they stab you to death while calling you a filthy kuffar,
>>2829578>>2829565Whoever do what you are advocating for will be made PM for life. The crown is litteraly in the gutter that basic technocrat developementalist stuff will sweep all players.
>>2829470NGL i thought the Irish Catholic VS Irish Protestant beef was over by now. Do you still have militias patroling the streets at night and gang warfare shit?
>>2829589still have the militias, but don't have the attacks anymore, there are regular riots on the loyalist side but they attack romanians of all people.
>>2829587No muslim ever called me a "taig" !
>>2829591The UK is an odd place by European racism standards in 2026 for being still very racist toward slavs. Even Swizz, Italians and Germans stopped this to redirect the hate on general brown people.
It's like how workers from northern france did pogroms on belgian immigrants in the late XIX century.
Your Party was always a stupid name these people couldn't even organise a bumming at a gay sex dungeon party
>>2829598The real pill is Corbyn is a very nice guy but a genuinely terrible politician.
Peper grinder broke over my curry while I was cooking and like half the peppercorns went in and I've been fishing them out for ages….
>>2829606it's over,it's gonna overpower the taste regardless
>>2829606Will Keir Starmer make an announcement ?
>>2829470>Explain why the English police, in the UK, left Henry Nowak, a Polish catholic to be left to die after being stabbed, not only did they leave him to die, they actively cuffed him while leaving the murderer in peace.Polish.
The catholicism would have been ancillary. They probably wouldn't have even clocked.
>>2829629Obviously, but this shit wouldn't happen to a Swede you know.
>>2829577Have you actually watched the bodycam?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4g81y540y1tVickrum claimed assault and Henry was collapsed on the floor; he was arrested for assault, not "racism", you Daily Mail reading plonker. How were the police supposed to know what happened immediately after arriving on the scene, with one side of the story? Vickrum was eventually arrested, so how exactly is the state on his side? It was an accidental death; tragic, but not an act of racial prejudice, and not a pretext to vigilante justice against minorities, either.
>>2829587Another sign of ignorance is you confusing Sikhism for Islam.
>>2829668Have you ? He was very clearly harmed and he didn't recieve the help he needed, he litterally said "I cant breath" and "I got stabbed" and the cops laughted at him. It doesn't justify racism, but there was very clear malice on the hands of the cops there.
>>2829593It's only Ireland that is like that Poles are now a part of the british herrenvolk.
>>2829678>said "I cant breath"Cops hear this and think "oh god its one of those wokies" I wouldn't be surprised if the arresting officer is a huge reactionary.
>>2829687showing that catholics are more hated then indians in the UK.
>>2829687More likely they think “another fent addict who’s overdose is going to be blamed on us” and mentally brace themselves for the lynch mob
>>2829704This is britpol you fucking tard, go back to your containment thread.
>>2829714Western Europe is a glorified colony of AmeriKKKa on all levels, you’re not special or unique or absolved of complicity in the rape and exploitation of the periphery just because you happen to live on an island
>>2829717He never said anything about that, are you stupid ?
>>2829721Oh well forgive me for the horrible sin in being well versed enough in KKKraKKKa Cope that I can accurately predict both what you say and what you mean. I’ll leave you to jerk off over your chosen kosher “anti-Zionist” of the week…I believe now it’s the Green Party? LOL
>>2829725We just don't want to hear shit about american politics here. I doubt your country is independant from its influence either.
>>2829678>the cops laughed at himNo they didn't. They were impersonal, but never mocked him.
The malice you are implying is in the procedure of dealing with what they perceived to be a typical drunkard assaulting a random man. You are free to timestamp your insights and prove me wrong however.
>>2829743
>or how unorganised and divided the British ChudIntern is.
It's this. It is suffering from success: so large it is starting to splinter.
>>2829527Most Brits don't even really understand the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism.
>>2829532Yeah it's malice because they're cops and he pissed them off through some petty slight, they weren't like "why don't you transubstantiate that blood back inside you mate? Fucking catlick"
>>2829748>Yeah it's malice because they're copsAnarchist radlib drivel
>>2829752Malice is not exclusive to cops of course but can you really deny that it's a profession that attracts dickheads who want to ego trip and tell others what to do
>>2829546Grassroots Left was shit anyway, it was a bunch of young people getting exploited by an unelected cabal of "professional revolutionaries" who made all the decisions in meetings at like 9.30am every weekday so nobody who works for a living can be involved. Plus groups like SWP added next to nothing to the effort while making all sorts of demands.
>>2829593>Germany is no longer racist against slavsLol, proof?
>>2829757If you think the concept of law enforcement is inherently malicious then you’re genuinely NGMI. Do you think AES doesn’t have police?
>>2829599No, that's the cope pill that he likes to present, he's actually not that nice of a person and knew full well what his underlings were doing in his name.
>>2829769We will probably need some kind of law enforcement body after the revolution yes, but I've yet to see how a police force can be set up that doesn't lead to them being alienated from the people they're supposed to protect and end up seeing them as the enemy, or at best as naive idiots who can't understand what it really takes to keep the scum down.
>>2829735When he said that he was stabbed they said "yeah sure mate" they were laughting at him, they absolutly had malice.
>>2829748I obviously meant culturally catholics, like in northern Ireland. There is a hatred for catholic cultures, being seen as backwards, it's not a hatred for transsubstantiation.
Again, cops are asshole, but why were they asshole toward the catholic and not the sikh ? Because the UK despises catholics.
>>2829777He said "I don't think you are, mate" in a dismissive tone, not a mocking tone. And they then proceed to ask him where he has been stabbed.
>>2829790Jesus Christ how horrifying. Also is that saying you need management approval to use your own sex facilities? Basically just go die in other words?
>>2829790Why not just repeal GRA2004 if it is overruled by EA2010?
>>2829833Cause then they have to admit they're repealing it
>>2829830Yep you can't use facilities that match your gender identity at all and need the bosses permission to use facilities that match your birth sex.
Literally have to ask "sir, may I use the bathroom?" even to use the ones you don't want to.
Boss man can say "no" and as long as he promises to stick a portaloo in the car park that's all he needs to do for you.
It's a humiliation ritual.
>>2829833Because that would be bad optics and an admission of the reality of the situation, which is essentially segregation of trans workers.
They have managed to de facto repeal it while (in their demented, crazed, minds) get to avoid official backlash.
Family of the murdered man explicitly said they don't want politicians using his death as a political pawn, yet here we are again.
Absolutely horrific what happened and the police were useless scum as always. Also absolutely no reason a massive sharp blade should be legal to carry when a kirpan can be blunt and like 2 inches.
And none of that justifies people exploiting his death to stoke interracial hatred.
>>2829790If our unions weren't all worthless scabs in hock to the Labour party they'd strike over this on point of principle.
But they won't and then they'll pretend to be surprised when, having proven the principle, the supreme court decides that the Combination Act 1799 supersedes the Employment Rights Act 2025
>>2829944Same thing happened with Lee Rigby and his family. The far right are opportunistic vermin that have no morale compass.
>>2829948It also happened with Lucy Connolly, that as soon as she got out of jail, she apologised for the tweet and said that she is a loving carer for immigrant children. The far right have since abandoned her because she is not a bitter, deranged psychopath.
>>2829668>I've been stabbed>I don't think you have, mateI though that British police were like, actually trained unlike the American ones.
>>2829988They are all nasty cynical fucks who treat anything said to them as lies. This is a huge cultural issue and lead to the rape gangs, their regular ignorance of rape allegations, and general failure to actually take the public seriously.
>>2829995These are the same nonces who complain about the non-whites causing civil disorder. Reminder that 20% of convicted rioters in Southport had previous arrests for domestic violence. When are we going to deport these criminals? Millions must go, as they say.
Where does the country even go from here
Lowe was demanding the reinstatement of the death sentence on twitter whilst Suella simply wrote the line "white lives matter"
The likes of Abbott, Corbyn, not to mention the establishment have utterly failed
>>2830023Looking at the crowd and its interestingly mixed race. "Aryan Vanguard" are in among them which must be quite funny.
But yeah I think this is it. This will be the summer of discontent. How it ends I don't know but there will be much blood spilt in the mean time.
What do we reckon, will this die down before the start of the world cup (the 11th)?
>>2830023>>2830025 (me)
Having thought on this more, this will likely be big and impactful like BLM but like BLM it will fizzle into nothing. There are way too many moving parts. I may be wrong though and this may be "It". The state doesn't know how to react to it and the support is pretty broad (and tbh for good reason). Street left are utterly irrelevant. Except a SUTRnik to get killed in all of this for showing up with a placard that says something stupid. People are still somehow blaming muslims for this btw.
>>2829995Imagine if the left were just allowed to batter police like that without all getting arrested. No wonder the right gets their way.
>>2830065The mad part is hat the right are claiming hat the left can get away with this.
>>2830072The best political strategy is just to lie and play the victim all the time, what have we ever got from taking the high road? Not that it's a fair fight when the right gets plenty of shill money and institutional backing but still.
>>2829606WAs it one of the ones from lidl? That happened to me recently too, took the piss.
The way rightists are so desperate to be left-liberals is yet more proof that left-liberals are their social superiors. "Waah, where's my MLK, where's my George Floyd? Waah, why don't I get one?"
If anything can put you in the mindset of a real nasty neoliberal, a Milton Friedman type, it's realising these losers are too thick, too prejudiced and too arrogant to latch on to these universal liberal symbols, but still think they're entitled to something. You're entitled to nothing, you don't get an affirmative action white loser MLK martyr to boost your self esteem just because you failed to make anything of yourself! Go out there and get a hobby instead of expecting the rest of the world to drop residual social status at your feet.
And just like that you've got it: flip from social status to economics and realize you're just telling these losers to get a job instead of asking for a handout. Neat acting trick! But don't mistake this for a call for sympathy: one can be unemployed by accident and cruel fate without it reflecting any deep personal flaws. To be a cunt loser, and an insecure one no less? In the age of the internet where people derive status from shit like playing games really fast? That's a fundamental personal flaw, luck nothing, daddy didn't love me nothing. As girlboss feminists used to say: do better.
Obviously as a good socialist I think society should be structured in such a way as to help such people improve and give everyone a status hierarchy that leaves them content, but there's a particular contempt that comes from noticing how rightism is fundamentally a movement for nasty losers who manage to wallow in self pity without an ounce of actual empathy.
>>2829470Did the cops know his name before he died? If they didn’t they likely didn’t even know he was catholic
>>2829530The stabber claimed that the man he killed was being racist against him but it turned out to be a lie
>>2830017>Reminder that 20% of convicted rioters in Southport had previous arrests for domestic violence.
>people who get violent at riots are…. violent peopleincredible, i cannot believe this.
>>2830125>If anything can put you in the mindset of a real nasty neoliberal, a Milton Friedman type, it's realising these losers are too thick, too prejudiced and too arrogant to latch on to these universal liberal symbols, but still think they're entitled to something. You're entitled to nothing, you don't get an affirmative action white loser MLK martyr to boost your self esteemTheir big point with this stuff is asking, why are the social progressives types who were going out of their minds over the george floyd stuff a continent away not out marching now?
a minority unironically weaponized his minority status to get the coppas to handcuff a guy bleeding to death on the ground and read him his rights as he died, while the guy that stabbed him wasn't put in handcuffs, even after novak died they still didn't cuff him
Its just such an extreme example of unequal treatment its like shit out of the american south during the 1950s.
>>2830125Are you from a working class background? Do you know how thankless it is to work hard if you have no connections or familial support? You say "get a hobby" but do you realise how having money in the first place is a necessity to monetise your work? Particularly with the social media landscape today
>>2829801One cop asked if they should check him, the other one says no, why on earth they wouldn't check a clearly hurt guy who is dying in front of their eyes. They also put him in handcuffs and dragged him, when he was very clearly unresponsive
>>2830148I don't know, but he very clearly looked polish
>>2830168The reaction to Goerge Floyd's murder should have been opposition to police violence rather then opposition to racism, you're likely to be a victim of police violence if you're a poor white person
>>2830168>>2830226What are you even talking about? At least with the Novak case the perp got arrested at the trial for a minimum of 21 years. What more are they even asking?
They just want an excuse to chimpout. Btw, I also aopposed the BLM riots, so don’t come here with your manipulative shit.
Plus let’s be honest here, much like with the gang wars against the bloods and crips, as well as the BLM riots and wars with martyrs, no one gives an actual shit about the actual Novak, they just:
- Want to riot for the sake of it
- Are merely using him as a martyr for their own ethnic grievances, and honestly poor whites are too coddled for their own good. Europe’s poorest are the world’s richest ffs. Do you even know what is it like to live in some slum in Siberia?
As for the racism charge, well perhaps Novak shouldn’t have gotten into a pub (Digwa did say he was drunk, so the police probably thought it was a drunken fight, although it still wouldn’t justify the cuffing of Novak as they should’ve just carried him to the hospital or call 111) much like George Floyd shouldn’t have been a drug user and resist arrest.
The UK at this point is just wigger Europe.
As for the whining about the lack of money: Brih you literally live in the fucking UK. If you can’t get cash then you’re a failed normie. No, Starmer doesn’t excuse your own failures as a man, men worse off than you rose to the challenge and ended up better than you (like Martin Luther). You literally have zero excuse mate. Now stop being a sore loser and get a job, this is a first world country LOL
>>2830285Digwa very obviously lied about him being drunk and racist. He wasn't drunk and was under the drunk driving pub, I also don't think going to a pub warrants the death penalty.
Beyond that your point about poor europeans is just dumb, just shows you're a privileged american, you have no idea what life is like for the poor europeans.
>>2829994>rape gangsActually, they were right on the money with that one. Well, at least before the mass hysteria (over barely 3% of le CSA no less) got to them. Read:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-19741304
>"Janet Foulds, former chair of the British Association of Social Workers, was responding to a report on the Rochdale grooming case which found that some social workers thought the victims were mature enough to make their own decisions about sex. […] "But the way that the children and young people are groomed may give people the impression that it is consensual, but it absolutely isn't.""Another banger:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjd9xnjyy8po
>"I didn't feel like I was groomed or exploited. I didn't think I was a victim. It's taken me a while to realise I was used and manipulated. "It gave my life purpose for a bit and I felt needed," she added. "I didn't feel that at home. I was looking for something because I [was] lonely and bored.""[…]"'They didn't want anything but sex' Another London survivor, whom we are calling Ruth, said she was also exploited for sex. "They didn't want anything but sex. I was low and they gave me expensive things so I felt wanted and then slept with them. It felt like I had multiple boyfriends giving me attention. They were South Asian men - they took advantage of my situation." It's happening in London," she added. "And those who don't believe it need to look again." The women we spoke to say their stories prove that not all grooming-gang cases in the city involve drug dealing and other criminality."Truly, we live in an ‘idolatry of victimhood’:
https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/10/29/the-idolatry-of-victimhood >>2830294
"European"
Coward. Drop your actual country, so we'll have a laugh.
>>2830281Ok, so the question is: Is this standard practice among police, and could the Polish university student been saved if the police took proper procedures?
Because, regardless of whether the cops and Dogwa are arrested, I don’t think it’ll quell the whitelash. For once, the British government is already distrusted regardless of what it does. Second, anything the government can’t swiftly solve will be fertile grounds for culture wars.
As for the British left? I think it’s time to become more militant and organise self defense forces because as the months go by the reactionaries will become more violent. They’ll first start off with acceptable targets like trans people, pedophilic people, and immigrants, before eventually moving onto leftist orgs.
I know it’s a hard pill to take on, but the age of electoralism at least for the British left is over. Your best bet is to either leave the country or just saddle on and be prepared for the worst.
>>2830299Isle of Man. Now say yours loser.
>>2830310Brexit meant Brexit, you will never be a real european.
(France,BTW)
Leftybros, our response?
While it’s easy to condemn the police’s unprofessional conduct as well as Digwa for lying and said police for taking his lies at face value, how do we tackle the racial angle?
By ignoring it? Affirming reactionaries’ opinions? Contextualise Novak’s case in the broader context of police brutality and call for changes within the police force? Or stay silent?
Any better idea?
Also, do you guys think the killings of George Floyd and Anthony Walker were justified, or not? If so, why?
>>2830327Just understand that the family gave a formal statement not to make Henry's death divisive, and so the rioters are serving their own antisocial, opportunistic interests, with blatant disrespect to Henry himself.
>George FloydGeorge Floyd was only a martyr to the same sort of antisocial opportunists on the left. Riots are the direct opposite of revolutionary activity, so should be forbidden by all principled leftists.
>>2830327There is nothing "the left" can meaningfully say or do at this point. It is irrelevant. We have fully Hungarianised our politics. This anon is right though
>>2830303 we have been facing right wing proto-paramilitaries for a bit in Manchester that is where we are headed.
>>2830342My bet is that said paramilitaries are inspired by Ulster loyalists, given how that’s where some of ‘em relocated when escaping from blood feuds in Northern Ireland:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/shankill-suburbs-how-loyalist-hardman-27215408Which begs the question: Do the MI5 and MI6 still work with Ulster loyalist paramilitaries and are the ones behind organising the British far-right? Because, as conspiratorial as it sounds, it’s just a fact that liberal democracies often foster fascists to be used as attack dogs against any proletarian revolt, or as cheerleaders for the next big military adventure that will only benefit the oligarchs.
As for the “Hungarianisation” thingy, I think Kahanisation is a better term since it perfectly captures how Israeli the British far right has become, whether it’s their petty tribalism, the thirst for blood and violence on par with demons portrayed in Christian eschatology, and general stupidity that is only kept on the leash by the more high verbal autism score elites.
As for the future, I don’t think the country will head to a brutal civil war like the Spanish one in the immediate future, but it’ll more likely be similar to Italy’s years of lead where you had a liberal centre barely struggling to contain both far left and far right street violence, or Weimar Germany in general where EVERY party had its own paramilitary proficient in street gang warfare.
Not sure what the closest analogue to the UK is beyond the Troubles.
>>2830350>My bet is that said paramilitaries are inspired by Ulster loyalistsThey are explicitly so since they are predominately Britain First-aligned (itself heavily tied to Loyalist groups).
>Not sure what the closest analogue to the UK is beyond the Troubles.There isn't one. We are in uncharted territory for British history. The times when there has been mass social unrest it was proletarian organisations. We have never had a mass reactionary movement.
>>2830168I wrote a more in depth reply but I'll cut it and just go for this
>Its just such an extreme example of unequal treatment its like shit out of the american south during the 1950s.You're doing it again! You can't just go "this is a sui-generis injustice faced by my in-group that you should care about", you have to go "Look, look liberals, we're just like American black people too! you have to love us like you love them!"
>>2830226You don't have to monetise your hobbies
and in-fact I'd council against it, since you might feel bad when you realise nobody wants to give you money.
I am "from a working class background"
I prefer to think of myself as one of a small number of "normal people", e.g. not a middle class wanker but also not someone with a chip on their shoulder about how working class they are. more importantly, I do not have a good job
now either. That doesn't get me ranting about how hard done by I am
as a white-boy, however, because I can still derive a sense of self-worth and status from being smart and correct about politics and sociology and arguing about it on leftypol.org. That's a hobby! Not a profitable one, but a hobby!
This is one of the things I judge rightists for: there are infinite optional status hierarchies and in-groups and they insist on sticking to ones where they're a fucking loser
while arrogantly maintaining the presumption it should be otherwise. Well, I'm not a loser, I'm just poor.
>>2830287>Truly, we live in an ‘idolatry of victimhood’As the great liberal, Murray Rothbard (1979) once said, the victim gains a privilege in their status, because when "society" is blamed, every individual besides them becomes responsible for their problems (this is later repeated by Thatcher's infamous quote). We see this sentiment as early as the socialist Robert Owen, who attributed all crime to external causes, and so literally found no error in the criminal, but only in the structure of society itself (a bit similar to how when catholics would execute people, their soul would be forgiven, yet their mortal body punished by death - the process of "rehabilitation" obviously has its religious content, in redeeming the corrupted soul). Marx gives attribution of this to the emanation of French Materialism (1845):
<If man is unfree in the materialistic sense, i.e., is free not through the negative power to avoid this or that, but through the positive power to assert his true individuality, crime must not be punished in the individual, but the anti-social sources of crime must be destroyed, and each man must be given social scope for the vital manifestation of his being.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/holy-family/ch06_3_d.htmYet we see this already in Aristotle's writings (350 BCE):
<poverty is the parent of revolution and crime.https://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/politics.2.two.htmlDisplaying causation to the phenomenon of crime, and thus, a mechanics of civil disorder. Here, the ends of policy is given by the formal structure of society itself. The consequence is the status of being a victim of society in general. Being a victim then, has currency, because it substitutes agency from oneself to another.
As a person who has the pathology of often victimising myself, I understand its toxicity, to oneself and to others.
>>2830354There is something contemptible in victimhood, and something contemptible in visibly lacking empathy for victims. Hence we generally politely ignore professional victims on the left, like other leftists, and loathe rightoids who play victim undeservedly but have no empathy for other victims and indeed decry their game.
Maybe the ideal society is one where everyone tells you you're a victim and that one should sympathise with victims, but you have to insist you're not, "it was nothing" style, or else being socially awkward.
>>2830352>You're doing it again! did you have a stroke or did it take you 7 hours to figure that out
>>2830380or maybe i'm having a stroke
>doing it again>againit was 1(one) post, you replied to it 2(two) times
>>2830377Well, what is best is to devalue the status of being a victim by giving people available options to gain independence. If there is truly no excuse for self-inflicted misery, then the victim has no more recourse to blame others. We need more than "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" (which itself is a rhetorical paradox), yet we need to foster a culture of responsibility nonetheless. For example, in a socialist society, the possibility of failure should still exist, to teach people how to succeed, without the unnecessary cruelty or inequality of capitalism. If you are given money, you should be allowed to waste it, and for which case, inequality is justified. The project of racial reparations in the US has this sort of ethos, that once the historical debt is paid, there are no more excuses, and thus a natural equality of opportunity. This is also what Rothbard suggests.
Victims are le held up in our le society, i can't believe this :chudface:
>>2829790What's preventing someone from just refusing to disclose whether they are trans or lying about being cis? If you have female on your id then for legal purposes you are a woman no? You can't really find the trans Juden unless you mandate a legally binding penis inspection day
>>2830389Conservatism is an eternal politics of victimhood:
>mandatory seatbelts? you are oppressing me!Even being a chud (e.g. incel) is literally claiming to be a victim of existence, akin to exclaiming "I didn't choose to be born" in all its infantilism.
>>2830388The problem with just having responsibility (even in conditions of general socialist abundance) is that you lose the valuable cultivation of empathy that having victims around stimulates, unless we move to caring deeply about ameliorating the suffering of wild animals or something instead. Being a victim is bad for you, but every new soviet man really ought to be a bit of a saviour.
Maybe we could have everyone responsible for something, but a victim (usually "of nature") in some other sense. Everyone responsible for both themselves and for others, everyone high status to themselves and lower status to others. From each… something something.
>>2830397>>2830354thank you for this decade late schizobabble on victim hood
A theory: rightoids struggle with and thus hate self-authorship, which is why transgenderism is the major culture war flashpoint it is. (It sets societal expectations directly against self actualisation) They want someone else to script their lives for them and don't want to be told they're responsible for choosing a derivative script and then performing it badly.
This is also why they can't come up with their own victim narratives and always find themselves plagiarising the left. It takes some imagination to decide you're oppressed by pomegranates but none whatsoever to swap whites and blacks in the Yankee script or blame the Jews like it's 400AD.
>>2830431Nothing they've said is schizobabble and they're basically correct about the right being addicted to feeling victimised
>>2830444So, I other words they’re just failed normies? That explains a lot, like how many of them idolise Japan even tho it’s basically NPC topia where dissent is socially stigmatised and being an edgelord is looked down upon. Like, even being a loudmouthed chud is met with scorn by the public as anti-social behaviour despite Japanese society being chuddish thanks to a weak left and the public being passive towards their reactionaries.
As to why chuds are prone to victimhood, methinks it has to do with both how they’re such losers they would still be losers even if they lived in a white ethnostate, and the fact that the modern wignat has no experience actually ruling over anything since 1945, so their only experience as a political bloc is when they’re the underdog, which is why MAGA and Reform act like victims being persecuted despite the former being the literal US government at time of this writing, while Reform is being funded by dark money interest on the top of the media class giving it lip service and promos (unlike Zack who gets hounded as an anti-Semite for wanting Britain to do BDS on Israel even tho both Reform and Restore have literal Nazis in their ranks). Not to mention that Rupert Lowe pretends to be a victim too despite he himself being an oligarch on the top of being payrolled by the world richest man who is also a cyberpunk-style nazi billionaire who is a product of apartheid SA.
Just a thought there.
>>2830444>Nothing they've said is schizobabble and they're basically correct about the right being addicted to feeling victimisedIts a grasp for straws to flip the old victim narrative stuff that was in vogue a decade ago onto rightoids who aren't going to care whatsoever, brought on by an event where a migrant successfully victimized himself to the police after stabbing someone to get the guy he stabbed put in cuffs instead of himself, with schizo babble bought on by people drawing obvious comparisons to jorge floyd
Literally no one's going to take this seriously
>>2830403There will always be victims, but the question is whether people must always be treated as victims of others, or of themselves. So long as you have external victimisation, you cannot have personal responsibility. So my plea for socialism is a plea for maturity, in precisely the Kantian sense of "enlightenment" (1784):
<Enlightenment is the human being’s emergence from his self-incurred [immaturity]. [Immaturity] is inability to make use of one’s own understanding without direction from another.https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/ethics/kant/enlightenment.htmIn civil society, this maturity is taken for granted, which then permits one's subjection to law, but political criticism as a legal discourse must intervene at this level to reform current conditions so as to make people free by better laws. Engels relates this to Marx (1886):
<England is the only country where the inevitable social revolution might be effected entirely by peaceful and legal means. [Marx] certainly never forgot to add that he hardly expected the English ruling classes to submit, without a “pro-slavery rebellion,” to this peaceful and legal revolution.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p6.htmAristotle in diagnosing the causes of crime, also suggests the redistribution of property to allow for a general entrance into the middle class, and in other places, directly criticises existing laws, such that murder was treated less harshly than theft. Plato wrote his Laws, as did Moses, and Jesus established the essence of the law in the spirit, not the letter. The act of jurisprudence is then significant to world-historical revolution, as a means to make us more free; e.g. all revolution is a legal re-constitution, such as we see in this country with the Magna Carta (1215), Petition of Right (1628), Instrument of Government (1653) and the Bill of Rights (1688). We see in France, the Declaration of the Rights of Man (1789); in the US, the Declaration of Independence (1776), Constitution (1787), Bill of Rights (1789), Emancipation Proclamation (1865), etc. Robert Owen also wrote codes of law in his work, such as in "Revolution in the Mind" (1849). An issue with much of Marx's own criticism is that it is too negative, and so fails to build a positive project, codefied in law.
rightoids unironically saying "I can't breathe", i'm sorry but that's hilarious
>>2830516Yh, especially given all those years of muh law an ordah, back the blues, etc…
So it made me think: For as much as the average rightoid chants about “high trust society” this and dat, many of their characteristics such as low trust in institutions, penchant towards conspiratorialism, lack of inhibition towards violence compared to the average leftist, and hyper-individualism would obviously clash with the needs of a high-trust society such as conformity and high trust on institutions.
Because if that case happened in Japan, SK or China, there wouldn’t be riots and protests over it since:
- The state would do its best to cover it up and minimise the case
- Most normies would be too trustful towards institutions to do shit. Case in point, the many times US army soldiers raped Japanese women and girls. Apart from localised protests, none actually rioted over it in Tokyo. Same happens in SK as well. Why? Both because the normies there trust the state to a high degree due to societally-enforced conformism, and because the concept of harmony is upheld by the state so much so that any attempt to break said harmony is is countered with partial media blackouts and minimisations.
Also, isn’t it ironic how chuds claim America is a low-trust society, when the fact that Americans give tips to services despite nothing legally forcing them to is a great counterpoint?
Now, I’m not sure what would be the equivalent of that in the UK or Ireland for that matter…
>>2830473>Literally no one's going to take this seriouslyNo one takes anything seriously in chud/TERF island because the collapse of civics has meant that almost every group, political or otherwise, lives in its own echo chamber. Guess what? We are now at a point where politics is just pure spiteful tribal cold warfare led by a series of opportunists.
And honestly, both the capitalist left and capitalist right bear the blame for it, whether it’s Nigel Farage, Margaret Thatcher or Keir Starmer or any other capitalist shill.
Also, isn’t it me or does anyone find it weird that a case from months ago is being brought up just now? Like, where was the energy for the riots back in December 2025, the month and year in which the murder occurred, and why now just as Digwa got arrested?
>>2829272Is it that bad tho? I think there could be improvements like flying the Union Jack alongside the Palestine one. Now, that would be rad.
>>2830527>the capitalist left and the capitalist rightthere is no "capitalist left", they're neolibs
>>2830542People who are anti-racist, feminist, and support LGBTQ+ rights but are also capitalist in the sense that they favor the pure free market-ism or that but with a welfare state (i.e., Rhine capitalism) are technically on the left of the political spectrum if we use the quadrant model of the political mapping.
>>2830527the energy is manufactured through right-wing networks. get "ARRRRR TOMMEHHH" on it to amplify it for the orcs and trolls.
>>2830545like I said, neolibs who want a socially left-wing message to market so they control the superstructure for the capitalist base
>>2830516or writing it on their masks to show their opposition to disease control
>>2830527>isn’t it me or does anyone find it weird that a case from months ago is being brought up just now?bodycam footage came out 2 days ago
>where was the energy for the riots back in December 2025, the month and year in which the murder occurred, and why now just as Digwa got arrested?details were still fuzzy
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y2lklgpl9o Keir Starmer called me a "fooking donkey" and told me to "fack off" on my way to the poob
>>2830546Speaking of orcs, I think it would be a good idea for the lib left to reappropriate the LOTR franchise from the right. Like, it has all the signs:
>Author was a WW1 veteran who opposed Nazism in WW2>Said author was an anti-apartheid Catholic in a deeply Protestant country that supported apartheid South Africa all the way until the 1980s>His book is about a multiracial coalition fighting against an evil empire made of monsters who pose a threat to the world>Silmarrion features an interracial relationshipBefore the objections come in, the only point that I’ll concede is that it’s indeed childish idealistic slop that isn’t particularly feminist. On that I’ll agree. But for the rest, not so much. I’ll address them point by point:
- On classism: While it is true that most of the hero’s party is made up of nobles and aristocrats, it is also true that the books show that good character in itself isn’t innate to the nobility, as shown by how Sam, Frodo’s servant, often acts as the one who has to rectify Frodo’s character and often shows virtues typically associated with nobles
- On the Shire: It’s not supposed to be some Arcadia, as shown by how the Hobbits’ own provincialism has led them into being easy pawns for Sauron. And you know who saves the place? Not the locals, but the Hobbits who are displayed as worldly and travelled far and wide.
- On racism: The orcs aren’t even human, but that didn’t stop Sam from pondering on their humanity in an empathetic way, nor for Tolkien to give his own in-universe explanation which sadly he couldn’t complete, leaving us with different origin stories for the orcs with each having different and contradictory implications from one another. As for the Haradrim and Easterlings? Well, both are forgiven after the war. As for their physical appearance, “swarthy” can mean any number of things and “slant eyed” just as easily describes Slavs and Scandinavians. I should also mention that Mordor is on the north, which complicates the notion of a good west/north vs evil east/south moral geography applied to LOTR’s fictional geography.
In fact, if it wasn’t for the introduction of the paperback format for mass publishing and hippies adopting LOTR en masse for its supposed agrarian and anti-industrial message (Tolkien opposed allegories in general, btw) then LOTR would be left into the dustbins of history considering how back when it was published it was considered as juvenile idealistic slop by the literary press.
Good or bad idea?
Because if WW2 and the British empire can’t be adopted thanks to BLM despite it being the only national mythos in the UK that was capable of uniting both the four countries plus the BAMEs of yore (such as the Windrush generation), then LOTR might be the only viable story that is pertinent to British culture.
Otherwise, the left would be amiss to try to unite Britain under a socialist cause.
And yes, I’m aware of that Russian take on the LOTR where the canon is portrayed as victors’ propaganda against the proletarian orcs and Soviet leader Sauron, but that isn’t the point for now.
>>2830575>>2830593Is the joke about Starmer allegedly using a trust to buy a donkey sanctuary for his parents and then selling it to dodge inheritance tax?
>>2830553>>2830571That looks genuinely bad then for Starmer. Now, whether the left can cajole some of these rioting lumpen into being antifa by using the anti-cop energy is another question altogether because, frankly, I’ve never seen any gammon turning into a leftist with just talks.
But yes, I do think the focus on race, even if pertinent in this particular, is ultimately a distraction over the broader issue of the unspoken police brutality in Europe that affects poor people regardless of race. You’d be surprised at how militarised the police forces in France, Spain, Italy and Germany are. I have Italian friends who showed me some of the latest news from Naples, concerning a police task force brutally evicting a poor working class Italian family after they failed to pay rent.
Granted, I’m not sure if the narrative that police is really afraid of racism as gammons say is truthful considering the general trend of cops being chudded out as well as the fact that for years the British left has claimed that the slow trial over the murder of Anthony Walker was due to the Met’s racist bias and the fact that the white perp was the son of some upper class Briton.
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In that case Burnham’s best bet would be to have Restore actively compete against Reform in Makerfield to split the right wing vote.
>>2830636Yes, Restore is a party of the terminally online. They will get "Only Ran" status outside of Greater Yarmouth.
Considering how Digwa is an Indian and Henry was a Pole, here are some good baits for you to use on gammons. They should be something like:
- “Who cares? It’s just migrant-on-migrant violence. Send them all back to where they came from.”
- “Both are invaders to our native land. Remigrate all of them, Slavic uyghurs included. No exception. This is BRITAIN, not WHITETAIN”
- “Why u so mad? It’s just untermensch-on-untermensch murder, or did the Polacks turn into Aryans the moment Tatar leader of the Soviet Golden Horde Putler decided to attack the Aryan empire of Polonia?”
- “uygha-uygha intraviolence is no concern for me, whether it’s curry uygha or sausage uygha. Now STFU and let me watch my F.C. sports show.”
I used a variation of the third point back when Iryna’s murder was still en vogue on X’itter, and the amount of chuds that I baited with was enormous. Hell, they even thought I was pro-Ukraine despite me LARPing as a Zigger.
>>2830660>This is BRITAIN, not WHITETAINThat's what you'd like to think, but no contemporary nationalist actually has a concept of what Britain is or ought to be except somewhere that was once more "white" and should return to that condition. People are entirely consumed by philistine presentism.
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>English nationalists
But what do they know of England, as Enoch Powell once exclaimed? They imagine that history began in 1945, after the great primordial chaos we call WW2. As an amateur researcher of English history, it is isolating to collect facts about this island from before the 20th century, because people find no continuity in it. They are wholly absorbed in the post-war myth, even without giving credit to Attlee in founding the social democratic welfare state, and which these same "nationalists" seem hell-bent on dismantling since the 70s onwards.
>>2830677I can't tell you how much I loathe those rightoid droneflies who echo everything the ultra-rich tell them to say.
Our boy Sir Keir Starmer has proudly announced he is straight up giving £1.3 billion in British taxpayer's money to Comcast/Universal Studios to help them pay for their new theme park in Bedfordshire.
What the fuck is he thinking???
Why can't the US megacorp worth almost £100 billion pay for it themselves??
>>2830740Someone tell Keir Universal is pushing transgenrism NOW
>>2830740Because the English will never accomplish anything useful, that’s why.
t. Karl Marx
>>2830327>do you guys think the killings of George Floyd and Anthony Walker were justified, or not? If so, why?Why the fuck would you even say that? Are you retarded?
>>2830285>What more are they even asking?For the police to be put on trial for manslaughter.
>>2830941That is hoping against hope
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