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>>2835770 608 posts and 105 image replies omitted.>2839753
I'm glad nobody on this board actually organizes because the average poster here would wreck any party meeting with autistic rants and threats every time someone is mean to Iran or doesn't share their social background
>>2839761We're not in a party meeting, we're on an anonymous imageboard
>>2839752Up the ra.
>>2839753>It's because at the end you're always trying to take some "nuanced" positionIdk what you want man. Shit is complicated sometimes, and we should be aware of the complications, but that's not the same thing as not taking a strong position. I can express concern about the terror bombing of German civilians in Dresden, while at the same time firmly and resolutely wanting the Nazis to be defeated. You're mistaking thorough analysis for fence sitting.
>No you don'tI don't? I hold a firmly pro-BRICS position. I'm vocal about my support for Russia to win in Ukraine, Palestine and Iran to win in the Middle East, and China to win everywhere. I believe multipolarity is a prerequisite for socialism and that BRICS countries are carrying out the most progressive developments in world history since the end of the Cold War. How do your positions differ?
>Even here you immediately start handwringing again about terming these people enemies. Like it's some grave offence to call social democrats/american chauvinists that. That's because I don't consider somebody to be a chauvinist or a social democrat just because they aren't pro Russia in Ukraine or whatever. Our movement needs points of unity, not points of division, and I've personally met and organized with people who would be considered "anti-campists" but are actively opposed to Western imperialism on all fronts. I don't consider them enemies because they refuse to offer meaningless rhetorical support to foreign governments.
>When Lenin called Kautskyists rubes, renegades and retards did that mean he didn't "believe in engaging with people and trying to change their minds"?Yes, because he also published extensive writings showing why they were wrong, with the obvious intention that workers and party members read them and adopt the Bolshevik view. He wasn't just shitposting and hurling insults and random people he was speaking to directly.
>Are you seriously trying to convince us you joined the imperialist canadian military for communist reasons? Yes, doing so was literally mandatory to be part of the Comintern, and I reasoned that these tactics were still applicable. I was chewed out for agitating against Canada's involvement in Ukraine (though this was before the SMO). My main regret is that I tried this by myself instead of gathering a few comrades to go with me.
>It literally does not matter you only served your imperialist army from home, just that you served itIn a material sense I didn't serve them at all. I collected my pay and then left shortly after my training was done. I was a net drain on their resources.
Why do so-called Western-style leftists, especially those living in the imperial core, who profess anti-colonialism and anti-militarism always spazz out immediately when just being lightly challenged? Like you people like pretend to oppose war, yet always support the current one (and in many case you yourself joined them personally to murder brown people). You people love to oppose (past) colonialism yet you always twist yourself into pretzels coming up with justifications and apologia for actual, currently existing colonialism, no not even semi- or neo-colonialism, actually existing present-day colonialism.
This is seriously a baffling phenomenon.
>>2839753son you type like a liberal
>>2839768
Whatever you do don't google what they said about Dresden in the GDR and USSR after the war.
>>2839764Nobody here justifies colonialism or war, they disagree with you about the way to get rid of it, namely about screeching at veterans and supporting random thirdie governments as a way to do so
>>2839776
>You on the other hand are a neo-nazi crying about the deaths of your comrades while thinking nothing of the innocents you raped and tortured for pay because to you anyone outside the imperial core is a subhuman.
Actually that's what you are. You're a COINTELPRO wrecker sent here to say insane shit so that communists never get their shit together or appeal to anyone. You are an active agent of the ruling class and US imperialism. Your rhetoric and actions mimic FBI wrecking tactics perfectly. You are Epstein.
Bread full. Whoms't bake bread?
>>2839779Do you think the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were tragedies or required to end the war?
>>2839785Hard to say since the USSR's entry into the war was also a major factor in the Japanese surrender. Ultimately I don't think the nukes were a game changer since the US had already demonstrated the capability to completely destroy Japanese cities through conventional bombing. I certainly don't buy the "humanitarian" justifications given by the Americans. Their main motivation was to test the weapons and intimidate the Soviets.
>>2839787
It's really cute that you consider yourself a communist when all you do is COINTELPRO wrecking.
>>2839792
Don't worry Anon, socialism will appear any day if you just greet everything and everybody around you with enough hatred.
>>2839763>You're mistaking thorough analysis for fence sittingI actually appreciated your nuance to an extent at first sabo, but after a certain while you kind of start to see the way the arch curves. Your nuance is dangerously close to liberal "objectivity" fetishism you'd find in places like r/politics or whatever and many times it is just that.
>I don't?No, or you wouldn't be pearlclutching like you are
>That's because I don't consider somebody to be a chauvinist or a social democrat just because they aren't pro Russia in Ukraine or whatever. Our movement needs points of unity, not points of division, and I've personally met and organized with people who would be considered "anti-campists" but are actively opposed to Western imperialism on all fronts. I don't consider them enemies because they refuse to offer meaningless rhetorical support to foreign governments.I don't care about people "supporting" or not "supporting" this or that government. What concerns me is people who objectively support one camp while pretending there are no camps, ie "anti"campists. It is totally fine to call such persons, collectively, the enemy. That you happen to know some people who are bleeding hearts for Ukraine, doesn't change that or make those people explicit anticampists. Though I find it hard to fathom how one would be "actively opposed to western imperialism on all fronts", while explaining apparent support for western imperialist victory in the current NATO proxy war.
>Yes, because he also published extensive writings showing why they were wrong, with the obvious intention that workers and party members read them and adopt the Bolshevik view. He wasn't just shitposting and hurling insults and random people he was speaking to directly.So if you are also publishing extensive writing it's ok to call them enemies or whatever else, but when you're shitposting it is not? Why? If you're a prolific writer you just get to, as a little treat?
>Yes, doing so was literally mandatory to be part of the CominternYeah as part of an organized labor organization/party, with explicit goals of subterfuge, infiltration, agitation and wrecking and shit. Not on your own to just to do whatever dumb ass
>In a material sense I didn't serve them at all. I collected my pay and then left shortly after my training was done. I was a net drain on their resourcesSure
>>2839767Like I gaf, cope more boy
>>2839527the only thing lamer and gayer than caring about sports is caring about people who care about sports. sybau
>>2839797>Though I find it hard to fathom how one would be "actively opposed to western imperialism on all fronts", while explaining apparent support for western imperialist victory in the current NATO proxy warEasy, if somebody asks them whether they support the Russian invasion they say no. If they are asked whether they support NATO expansion, membership in NATO, or arming the Ukrainian government they also say no. More importantly, they actively agitate against such things. You can say that there are some people who claim to not have a camp while choosing one in reality, and such people definitely exist. However there are others who claim to not have a camp and actually don't, and are still capable of discharging their duties as internationalists under this framework.
>So if you are also publishing extensive writing it's ok to call them enemies or whatever else, but when you're shitposting it is not?If you are publishing writing for a general audience it's fine to speak in general terms. I would have no problem saying that "liberals are our enemies." However I think it's different when having a specific discussion with another individual. I would call liberals in general our enemies, but if I'm discussing these issues with a self-identified liberal I'm going to try to actually change their mind, not just screech at them.
>Yeah as part of an organized labor organization/party, with explicit goals of subterfuge, infiltration, agitation and wrecking and shit. Yeah well, hence why I said I should've done it with a group and a plan.
>>2839802>IDFthose are conscripts which by ultra logic are 100x more revolutionary than volunteers. thats why they think boomer vietnam vets are the revolutionary subject in america today
Not beating the Schizo Maximalist allegations
>>2839803>You can say that there are some people who claim to not have a camp while choosing one in reality, and such people definitely exist.Ok, that's who we're talking about
>However there are others who claim to not have a camp and actually don't, and are still capable of discharging their duties as internationalists under this frameworkOk, that's not who we're talking about. If they are actually committed internationalists, they defacto cannot be "anti"campists
>If you are publishing writing for a general audience it's fine to speak in general terms. I would have no problem saying that "liberals are our enemies." However I think it's different when having a specific discussion with another individual. I would call liberals in general our enemies, but if I'm discussing these issues with a self-identified liberal I'm going to try to actually change their mind, not just screech at them.Ok but we are posting to a general audience, discussing things in general. So why this made up story about some imagined specific one to one conversation?
>Yeah well, hence why I said I should've done it with a group and a plan.Yeah so don't pretend you were doing it for communist reasons when you were just being a dumbass individualist, probably looking for some excitement/easy money
>>2839812>If they are actually committed internationalists, they defacto cannot be "anti"campistsThen it's just a semantic debate. What you're angry at isn't people who refuse to take a side, but people who take the wrong side.
>So why this made up story about some imagined specific one to one conversation?Aren't we having a one to one conversation right now?
>Yeah so don't pretend you were doing it for communist reasons when you were just being a dumbass individualist, probably looking for some excitement/easy moneyIt wasn't exciting and the pay was shit lmao. It was pretty miserable tbh. I was definitely mired in individualist thinking, but more along the lines of thinking that communists should have military training.
All the posters attacking sabo, gaynazi and cpusanon are probably iron felix hiding behind a vpn tbh
>>2839817>Then it's just a semantic debateObviously, the whole thing started with your handwringing about terminology. That some rando leftists under specific circumstance might potentially be seen as anticampists, while actually being allies to the movements and thus might be exemptions from the generalization of the classifications.
>Aren't we having a one to one conversation right now?No we are discussing in a public forum
>It wasn't exciting and the pay was shit lmaoThen You failed in your real goals as well as your cope goals. Sad tbh
>>2839819it's called zerzetzung, mom
>>2839819Uphold Felixism-Chagosian Thought
>>2839820>Obviously, the whole thing started with your handwringing about terminology.It was more about the way people here refuse to engage each other in good faith and seeth about minute real or imagined differences.
>No we are discussing in a public forumYes but we're also talking to each other as individuals.
>Then You failed in your real goals as well as your cope goals. I succeeded in my main goal, which was to gain military experience as a communist. I had also hoped to do some agitation and subversion, and of course I failed at that, but whatever. I think it's still better than the people here to take schizo maximalist positions but don't know what getting shot at sounds like.
>>2839832>I succeeded in my main goal, which was to gain military experience as a communistI'll tell you it's not a good look to be an unrepentant veteran of an imperialist military, this "just trying to pick up experience" seems like a handwave
>I think it's still better than the people here to take schizo maximalist positions but don't know what getting shot at sounds like.Joining an imperialist military, without explicit endorsement and plan from a party telling you to do so, is much much worse than shitposting online. The gall to make this claim and pretend my labeling you as a chauvinist was uncalled for
>>2839842What should I be repenting for exactly? I trained, collected my meagre pay, and then left with valuable experience.
>Joining an imperialist military, without explicit endorsement and plan from a party telling you to do so, is much much worse than shitposting online. No, I'd say that urging maximalist violence while actively discouraging people from learning how to fight is pretty bad. Its just as retarded as bragging about how many Nazis you'll beat up and then saying exercise is fascist. It's peak LARPing and wrecking. Utterly self-destructive behaviour that can only exist among unserious people.
>>2839788You willingly support an actual, open fascist mafia which literally worked slaves to death and entombed them in the stadium concrete to create the nationalist spectacle you love.
You are complicit in their crimes, all because you refuse to turn off an explicitly nationalist ball game. You would rather see kafala workers die by the thousand than your precious nationalism going on anything unabated.
You have more in common, psychologically, with the Third Reich than anyone who (entirely correctly) calls you out. Your flag is well placed, because it basically represents you.
I hold you in even higher contempt than Myles, by the way, because he at least has the courage to stand on his own.
To put it in terms that you and Myles can understand, using one of your precious pop "culture" references, you are Salacious Crumb, sitting on the shoulder of a Hutt warlord, laughing at all his jokes.
>>2839853You're every bit the LARPer than your detractors are because you refuse to DO anything with your military training.
>>2839853>What should I be repenting for exactly?Being part of and actively engaged in an imperialist military for individualist aspirations and adventurist nonsense. Nobody'd care if you just admitted you were an idiot for joining such a reactionary organization and now you've changed your mind. But instead you are still advocating for it and justifying it, claiming you've gotten some experience that'll be useful for the communist cause. And you're accusing others of larping lmfao.
>>2839819You see my shadow everywhere you go because you are too much of a coward to admit that you are not a Communist, never will be a Communist and are actively opposed to Communism.
You will ban everyone who espouses actual Communist views from this website to protect an out and proud fascist and his annoying friends, and in so doing destroy this website as anything but Myles personal echo chamber.
Look at how absolutely none of these "historical materialists" will even try to reckon with the fact (and it is a fact, far beyond even their dispute) that FIFA is a fascist mafia, by the way.
They know it, they support it, and they are perfectly happy with it. They will continue to watch their explicitly nationalist slop orchestrated by out and proud fascists and stand shoulder to shoulder with the neo-nazi thugs who murder Roma with sledgehammers. The only difference between Myles and the Azov battalion is personal courage.
Is it actually possible for someone from LA or South Cali to related at all with someone from Bumfucksville (Population: 300) in Missouri/Mississippi/West Virginia? Or vice versa?
How do you build solidarity and a form of class consciousness that unites people in such vastly socioeconomic circumstances and facing such different challenges?
>>2839873You were already BTFO on this shit in the last thread, quit embarrassing yourself. Football is the most popular sport in China among the youth and the second most popular sport in both Cuba and the DPRK
>>2839875you don't. you organize primarily the urban centers with a developed industrial working class, in the case of the bolsheviks that was mainly st petersburg and moscow and a couple other big cities. and then you violently subjugate everywhere else. in the USA though there is no such thing so you're shit out of luck.
>>2839878Okay but as a counterpoint consider Mao started with the rural peasantry and then encircled the cities
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>>2839882>>2839794Don't know why Sabo is even being compared to Gaynazi and CPUSAnon. Sabo's takes are reasonable meanwhile the other two are on the verge of fully heiling
>>2839876Not only are you wrong (which is not a surprise, given as your "source" was Fedipedia) and basketball is the most popular sport in China, but your point is malformed in the first place. China is a brutal capitalist state which forces workers into inhuman conditions to support the lavish lifestyles of a handful of apparatchiks.
The biggest question is, why are you defending FIFA?
Even liberals attack FIFA openly, and yet here you are, carrying water for literal, actual, totally unironic card carrying fascists. You are attacking actual Communists to defend fascists. You are a willing militant for fascism.
What does this say about you?
>>2839884sorry unless you hate everyone here and only come here to wreck you're not a real communist
>>2839887Even discounting China again Cuba and the DPRK both have football prominently featured. I'm not defending FIFA, just pushing back against the absurd allegation that football is inherently fascist and that only westerners care about it when it's clearly not the case
>>2839884Because he was engaging with them in the same rhetoric and they are chummy with him.
>>2839912maybe if we post hard enough about them and give them even more attention they'll go away and finally real communists will run this website and we can finally discuss our real plans without the eyes of saboteurs upon us… oh wait that's fucking stupid
>>2839916Lol yeah that's why nobody is saying it except you retard
>>2839380holly trackers batman.
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