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>>2835770 Depression
It feels like only Mexico is aware they're hosting a FIFA cup. Both AmeriKKKans and Klanadians don't give a shit like at all.
Reminder: CPUSAnon openly said he admires Oswald Mosley. Remember that when he argues so vociferously about "reverse racism" and his great white Volk.
>>2837509you don't filter his posts? mistake. i haven't seen them in years.
>>2837511lol heโs obsessed with me; been filtering the TOR node myself for a while. Asking him to not obsess over me is like asking him to kill himself.
IT'S TIME TO LOG THE FUCK OFF LEFTYPOL AND PICK A MISSION
Pick a Mission:
Mission A
Within the next 3 months, recruit 10 coworkers into a weekly political study and organizing group, hold at least 12 meetings, and collectively identify and carry out one workplace-based collective action campaign.
Mission B
Over the next 6 months, have one-on-one organizing conversations with 50 working-class people in your community, maintain contact with at least 20 of them, and help form a durable local committee that meets at least twice per month.
Mission C
Within the next 4 months, complete a certified first-aid/trauma-response course, go to a shooting range with 5 comrades, and help organize a 5-comrade mutual-aid emergency response network that can be contacted within 30 minutes during a community crisis.
Mission D
Within the next 2 months go to at least 12 local parks and home construction sites, and bring a geiger counter with you, to test them for radiation. If they have radiation, expose this to the public to create local outrage against the ruling class.
>>2837513Why is someone who loves Oswald Mosley allowed to post here in the first place, I wonder?
>>2837514Iโm fixing this
>Within the next 3 months, have one-on-one organizing conversations with at least 10 working-class people in your community, complete a certified first-aid/trauma-response course, go to a shooting range, and create a sufficient workout routine (if able bodied) if you havenโt already. >>2837514Mission E
Never log off. stay on leftypol 8 hours a day to watch your parasocial best friends Myles and Evan fight each other
>>2837516Generally speaking: when that โloveโ is an absurd exaggeration by someone whoโs consistently histrionic
>>2837511God I should be on that. Every namefag here is so fucking obnoxious and unlikable, it's tragic.
>>2837520Oh so you just LIKE Oswald Mosley. My bad. Regardless, why is an out and proud fascist allowed to post here?
>>2837523>why is an out and proud fascist allowed to post here?because it's right there in the rules lol
https://leftypol.org/rules.html<7) Reactionism and liberalism, or any other kind of non-leftist positions are not banned in itself, as we will endeavour to allow and encourage people of other political philosophies to explore leftism through /leftypol/ so long as they follow the rules contained herein. However, non-leftist users are ultimately to be considered โguestsโ and thus will be removed if they prove a nuisance or disrupt the normal functioning of the site. Low-effort raiders will be banned.Opening posts with liberalism or reactionary topics will be treated with far more scrutiny to prevent them filling the catalog. You donโt deserve anything you have, anything the bourgeois does to you is justified by what you allow to happen to the third world every day. Rape would be the appropriate punishment but you would enjoy it too much out of sadomasochism, you are Ralph Ciffaredo.
>>2837533You and Karl Marx are both cockroaches which is why youโre afraid of any moral critique
>>2837537Morality is physics, the less moral you are, the more antisocial you are, the worse you feel, look, and are, itโs a physical law like gravity
>>2837534to morally critique someone you have to actually know shit about them, the choices they make, etc. you're just yelling at complete strangers like you know their lives. it's fake and gay.
>>2837528i deserve a quirky asian gf and nothing you say will change my mind. until i have one the proletariat will continue to suffer. by denying me one the world is prolonging the suffering of humanity.
>>2837543Correct
>>2837542Every American is lumpen, the class struggle in America is between its lumpenbourgeois and itโs lumpenproletariat
>>2837544You would choke her to death in a month of living with her
>>2837524>>2837523People will purposely lie about what I say and twist themselves in knots to misinterpret every word I use in the worst way they can.
That said: not a fascist, and my opinion on Mosley is that he was a fairly intelligent, well-spoken man whose life nevertheless displays the core failures of fascist philosophy.
For example: for as much as Fascism would pride the will overtaking the material, and for much as it elevates totalitarian control by a central leader figure, Mosley was fundamentally unable to expel antisemitism from his party and instead embraced it to maintain authority. The lesson to derive from Mosley is one that groups like the ACP are bound to repeat: that the Party will likely be morphed by the ideology of its constituency rather than the constituency being morphed by the Party. Rather than turning MAGA types right, idiotic โMAGA Communistsโ are more likely to turn right themselves and abandon socialism in its entirety.
>>2837546why would I do that? I just want someone to spend time with. life is too long to spend it alone. it's soulcrushing how you're just supposed to get used to it if you aren't wealthy.
>>2837550Anyone who canโt be comfortable by themselves and with their own thoughts will only drag any romantic partner down and make them worse, sort yourself out, no one is entitled to the love or affection of another, not family, not other people
>>2837552Fuck off redditor this isnโt a debate
>>2837553>no one is entitled to the love or affection of another, not family, not other peopleyour brain is poisoned by liberalism. humans are social creatures that innately seek companionship and community. your misanthropy is not reflective of the entire human race. sort yourself out.
>>2837547>not a fascist Starting off with a lie already.
>>2837555Doesnโt change the fact that people uncomfortable with themselves arenโt fixed by this or that relationship
I'm not a fascist folks, I just read fascist literature and bitch about reverse racism all day. That's the last thing a fascist would do!
>>2837514you got ignored. they're too busy fighting each other as usual. they will NEVER touch grass.
>>2837531Best Sopranos character
>>2837547You have to have control of the state before you can mold larger society. Mosley never had a state to enforce his policies. Hitler on the other hand was able to push a bunch of wacky shit onto Germany because he had time to put them under his thumb.
>>2837560Even CPC members read Carl Schmitt.
>>2837559but what if they are perfectly decent people though? why do you assume they're uncomfortable with themselves just because they don't want to be alone forever?
i can enjoy doing some things alone but that doesn't mean i want to spend my life alone. the assumption that lonely people must hate themselves or have some deep-seated neurological issues that will "poison" those around them is just baffling.
>>2837561Morality is pro social behavior which can be objectively observed if not measured
>>2837566America doesnโt produce decent people
>>2837501Cool vid. I'd say it is good that is happening to the USA but unfortunately their ecological collapse will have global environmental consequences.
>>2837565See I think thatโs falling into the trap of โrevolution from aboveโ, I think even if he won, Mosley wouldnโt be able to make whatever changes he wanted. He would ultimately be subject to the forces that put him there in the first place.
>>2837567what makes morality a spook is not its identity with pro social behavior which is a real thing. what makes morality a spook is the belief that the mind "chooses" to be "moral" versus "immoral." Brains are machines which exhibit behavior. I am consistent on this. If a person's "choices" change based on how much brain damage they have (and split brain experiments have shown this and much more) then the brain is a machine that exhibits behaviors, not makes choices. There is no moral culpability. There is pro-social and anti-social behaviors, but morality is believing people are at fault for how their shitty brains work, which is just spooks and catharsis. Sometimes it also comes with extra spooks like "we have to burn them at the stake" and "god will judge them" and so on.
>>2837569>I'd say it is good that is happening to the USA but unfortunately their ecological collapse will have global environmental consequences.yes. everything is interconnected. every event has ripple effects. people are not cartoon heroes and villains by virtue of their nationality, race, or ethnicity.
>>2837576This is what you tell yourself to assuage the guilt you feel every day
>>2837576I'm sorry to say, but you "chose" to make this post.
>>2837576>morality a spookliterally just stirner retardation
>>2837573Obviously it isn't quite as simple as just making a declaration or passing some law and society changes. And of course there are many different parts of society such as the bourgeoisie, workers, church and other institutions that will push back against certain state interventions within capitalist society Mosley was working with. But the state has far more potential power to change society than many like to admit.
The forces that put you into power can be shifted. Assassinate the most obstinate and stubborn. You use zersetzung to disorganize potential opposition that you can't get rid of immediately. You create a new independent base of support by giving various positive incentives such as jobs reliant on you.
irl what ends up happening most often is such a system gets wrapped up in a single person and falls apart once that person dies. Then it eventually reverts to the local norm.
But there is always the possibility things change so much there is no reverting to past norms. That the liberal ideal of a basic human nature really can get overturned.
>>2837568I'm a decent person.
>not bigoted>marxist>kind to others>treat women as my equals>open-minded to other people's interests>like trying new experiences>do a lot to help those around me>still no quirky asian tiktok gfseems pretty unfair if you ask me
I've noticed the past several months a few black liberal influencer types have been pushing this meme that leftists didn't vote for Harris because of "purity tests" (no further elaboration on this point of course) and that they're just racist. Maybe it's just being pushed by the DNC but it's disheartening and frustrating to think people might actually believe these things.
>>2837514>Mission A>Within the next 3 months, recruit 10 coworkers into a weekly political study and organizing group, hold at least 12 meetings, and collectively identify and carry out one workplace-based collective action campaign.I'd just like to recruit 1 coworker but I'm so autistic I have no idea how to talk to people, much less talk to them about these kinds of things.
>>2837599actually i would say a lot of leftists
claimed they didn't vote harris because it's embarassing to admit but then did it anyway because even though they know genocide joe and holocaust harris are bad they still felt like they had to stop orange man. so they voted harris and then lied about it.
>>2837600
genocide joe, holocaust harris, and zion don will not spend 1 day in jail for bombing palestine
>>2837600
unfair sentence. goes to show how much the USA justice system needs reform.
>>2837606
white kids guilty of similar crimes have been given far lower sentences
the ruling class will continue to commit genocide in your name with your tax dollars and you will still continue to argue about karmelo anthony and UFC on the white house lawn
>the biology of the brain determines everything about an individual
>yes i am definitely a socialist who believes in class struggle and the development of consciousness and not just a crypto-nazi repeating biological determinism talking points
either trolling or an unironic neo-nazi, either way why is this shit allowed
>>2837612>socialism is when you believe the brain is a mech piloted by the soul>anyone who doesn't believe this must be badjacketed as a neo nazinazis believe in a racial hierarchy, and that morality is racially determined. i am saying that free will does not exist, unless of course you use the clever Engels definition which redefines it as recognition of necessity. but we know a brain in a coma or is not capable of recognizing necessity, so I find this definition of free will troubling. morality is also just the idea of holding brains responsible for the behaviors they exhibit. I did not once speak out against proletarian revolution, class struggle, or historical necessity. a careful reading of what i said and actually responding to what i said is more than welcome. if you do not what to do that and if you instead wish to vaguely gesture that i am a neo nazi and my posts should be hidden from everyone by moderators for wrongthink, that is fine.
>>2837612>the biology of the brain determines everything about an individualalso btw i did not say this. i said what appears as "choice" is really the interaction of a brain with its environment, and the brain is reshaped by the environment ,and not just its initial biology. however, the brain is ultimately at the mercy of physics, and is not being piloted by some choice-making entity outside of physics. this is not at all incompatible with recognizing the historical necessity of proletarian revolution, nor is it equivalent to fascist theories of racial hierarchy whatsoever.
>>2837567>โmy religion can be seen in natureโExclaimed the Christian as well
>>2837618Literally no one is talking about a "soul" except for you. Yet somehow you jump from talking about it to "biology and environment interact" and are intertwined, which are two entirely different arguments. A "soul" is not necessary for the engendering of the concept of "free will".
>>2837631if tomorrow you bumped your head at work, and you brain become much less capable than it previously was, and even started to begin making mistakes that it wouldn't have previously made, none of that would be a "choice" the high or low quality of behaviors that a brain exhibits is not a result of "choice" which is just a philosophical word meant to imply culpability, but of material conditions, biology, environment, physics, etc. I am consistent on this. It has nothing to do with neo-nazism. You are right that nobody is talking about a soul, but fundamentally for a brain to be able to defy physics, it would have to be piloted by something outside of physics. I contend that physics itself pilots the brain, and physics is not an entity that makes "choice".
>>2837632
who cares if he murdered someone and got 35 years when the leaders of this society murder millions and go unpunished
>>2837638
yes and i also responded to that person when saying it's a stupid topic
genocide joe, holocaust harris, and zion don will not spend 1 day in jail for murdering millions so this fighting over whether this guy "deserves" 35 years is stupid. it is a result of bad priorities.
>>2837639
america is not a marxist country. i hate when you chuds do this shit
<hurr durr marxist country have stronk order so ice good
<hurr durr marxist country have police so support burger police
<hurr durr marxist country have gulag so american rape dungeon good
>>2837643
genocide joe, holocaust harris, and zion don are a much more obvious murder case and you don't care
>>2837645>stronk order*border
>>2837629So how do you explain individual bees sacrificing themselves for the larger hive?
>>2837631Free Will as the Ancient Greeks and Christians use the term requires a soul. I'm guess you are using the Compatibilism definition which literally just takes the words "Free Will" and sticks it on top of a different concept.
>>2837650
it's true that you don't care about millions of palestinians murdered but care about 1 burger murder. why is that
>>2837653
>Rapes in American prisons are the result of inmate choice
> they're not direct action by state officials.
guards do a lot of raping too. also ever heard of abu ghraib? guantanamo bay. burgers love their rape dungeons. sometimes they even put their rape dungeons on foreign soil. but marxism when jail.
>choice
i already debunked this spook.
>Russia, China, and other tankie paradises are more likely to have state-condoned rape in their prisons. Also it's common practice in the Russian military.
oh you're just an anti communist. figures.
>>2837654
>because it makes you seethe
you support genocide to make me seethe? why is making me seethe your goal?
>>2837636>physics pilots the brain>physics is not an entity that makes "choice"Two contradictory positions. Either physics operates consciously to control us or it is simply humanityโs a posteriori interpretation of the intersection of natural laws that seem to govern the universe. If the former, everything, including revolution, isnโt real because reality is nothing more than a fictious projection of internal workings. If the latter, then we are not controlled, and free will does exist. To insist there is an
>if tomorrow you bumped your headIf your biology and chemistry were altered to such a point that you entirely changed as a person and could no longer recall โthe old youโ and simply perceived the world and made decisions based on the โnew youโ, then you are effectively a new person - itโs a ship of Thesus problem, not a question of โfree willโ.
>"choice" which is just a philosophical wordYou are ignoring the fact that the base and superstructure influence each other in tandem. It is not a one-way relationship. Our biology influences us and we influence it in turn.
>>2837663>Two contradictory positions. I meant piloting metaphorically because I tried to keep in mind I am talking to a person who thinks there is a thing beyond physics determining brain behavior, or that the brain is capable of splitting a the universe into two timelines by making a metaphysical thing called a choice
>Either physics operates consciously to control usphysics is not conscious
>or it is simply humanityโs a posteriori interpretation of the intersection of natural laws that seem to govern the universeok then the natural laws that govern the universe results in brains that exhibit behaviors, but those brains cannot usurp the natural laws that govern the universe. they can only respond to stimuli, and they respond differently depending on whether they are damaged, intoxicated, and so on.
>If your biology and chemistry were altered to such a point that you entirely changed as a person and could no longer recall โthe old youโ and simply perceived the world and made decisions based on the โnew youโ, then you are effectively a new person - itโs a ship of Thesus problem, not a question of โfree willโ.people are ships of theseus and they do not have free will. so it's both. if people want to say free will and morality is real and hold brains responsible for the behaviors they exhibit, then they simply believe in a stable entity beyond physics "piloting" (metaphor) the brain and making decisions from beyond the universe. that is why i keep pointing to the soul. because to believe in free will and morality you have to believe the brain is capable of freely splitting the universe every time it exhibits a behavior, and that it is acting outside of its stimuli in the universe, and you either have to implicitly or explicitly believe in something outside of physics that determines behavior. If behavior is not determined by anything then reality is completely random. I believe brains are machines that behave according to the laws of physics not outside of it. A brain can recognize necessity and come close to being "Free" but paradoxically freedom just means realistically recognizing what you can't change and accepting that. an unfree brain is deluded into thinking it can change things that it cannot, or that it is beyond the laws of physics, or that it splits the universe into two timelines every time it reacts to something… we know from split brain experiments that the two halves of the brain will even make separate decisions after a corpus callosectomy. we know that the brain reacts to stimuli before it processes its own reaction as a "choice."
Experiments in neuroscience suggest that some brain activity associated with a decision can occur before a person becomes consciously aware of having made that decision. Consciousness, free will, soul, choice, these are just words filling in for reaction to stimuli, and morality is just society getting emotional about holding some brains responsible for how they react to stimuli. whether that manifests as revolution, or lynch mobs, or court trials, or slapping a child for dropping their toy is entirely besides the point.
>>2837653I mean, in the news anon thread was this article
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/11/oklahoma-penitentiary-underground-cells-rape-abuse-allegationsThis is a side effect of for-profit private prisons. Squeezing a stone of slave labour until all the blood runs out is just capitalism at work. The laxxing of restrictions for prison guards, and the lowering of guard wages leads necessarily to corruption such as drug smuggling, favoritism, bribery, blackmail, rape, pimping, beatings, murder, etc.
No prison will investigate themselves, and if they do they will find nothing wrong.
>>2837662I would argue that a country that doesn't use their prisons for slave labour and profit, but instead rehabilitates them to be functioning members of society is probably better.
Reminder: the US prison system houses 25% of the world's prisoner population despite making up 5% of the global population.
>>2837662
>Name some communist countries that consider "choice is a spook" as a legal defense.
I didn't say it was a legal defense. I would never use it as a legal defense. My position on free will not being real does not mean I am going out to go out and rape and murder people and claim that it was just my brain being shitty. In fact my brain is functioning well enough to realize that wouldn't work as a defense, even if it were true. That's entirely besides the point. Anyway, like I said in the other post the US prison system is just a rape and torture dungeon used to make slave owners rich. It has very little to do with punishing violent criminals, since it is filled with non violent offenders and America has a higher per capita prison population than most countries.
Anders Brevik gets to spend the rest of his life in adult daycare after killing 77 children. Norway also has prisons but they don't really work like American torture/rape dungeons. This makes some people very sad because they are sadists who want to see "justice" but it makes me happy because I would rather there be less torture and rape dungeons, whether they come in the form of Abu Ghraib, or the US prison system.
>>2837661
Two questions you are unable to answer it seems. I think you might just be a sadistic and unpleasant individual. You want to make people seethe by supporting genocide and you do not want to say why. That is fine.
The democratically elected president of Venezuela has been imprisoned in New York City for months and you donโt hear anything from the American left.
>>2837662
>Name some communist countries that consider "choice is a spook" as a legal defense.
I already responded once, but thinking for a few minutes longer, the closest thing to this in real life is "not guilty by reason of insanity" … where we implicitly recognize that a brain which is senile, or schizophrenic, or sufficiently damaged is somehow not capable of the so-called "Free will" spook, but we refuse to extend this correct logic to functioning brains. a functioning brain is a brain that plays well with its environment. that does not mean choice is real. it just means that some brains play well with their environments and others don't. when a brain doesn't play well with its environment it does things like commit "crimes" which are themselves social constructs in class society, as we can see from how the poor are treated differently than the rich, and the minorities different from the majority, and so on. Now if that brain belongs to a rich person they usually get away with it, but if it belongs to a poor person we say that brain is "guilty" unless it is so obviously damaged that it is said to be "insane" in which case that brain becomes "not guilty by reason of insanity." but where is the threshold for this? it's very subjective which means even legal precedence has wiggle room. As a society we create these rather arbitrary cutoff points for this metaphysical idea called "free will" that are entirely socially constructed and not at all scientific. also it's very obvious to anyone paying attention that certain people are going to have their cognitive disorders recognized as a "not guilty by reason of insanity" more often than others. A homeless man turned himself in after robbing a bank for 100 dollars. he got 15 years. a CEO did 3 billion dollars of fraud. He got 40 months. It does not matter that the homeless man was probably mentally ill, and motivated by addiction, he was punished much more harshly, because of his status within class society.
>>2837688if you took power tomorrow you wouldn't be much better than maduro and the armchairs who do nothing would denounce you as a red capitalist. you could not wield power any differently than a maduro or a xi jinping because you are forced to operate within the world as it is, and not how you want it to be.
>>2837687because he is "a drug dealer" according to CIA media and the "bourgeois cattle believe and enlarger upon" these myths
>>2837668You are engaging in a fallacy of composition. Yes, the human brain is made up of atoms, molecules, subatomic particles, etc., and those cannot think but do compose us. However, just because these particles donโt โthinkโ, doesnโt mean that the sum of these individual particles doesnโt โthinkโ and act as a complete, independent entity. Humans do exhibit emergent qualities - โproperties or behaviors that its parts do not have on their own, and emerge only when they interact in a wider wholeโ. We can be a machine and also be more than a mere machine at the same time. Our qualities come from all of these particles interacting both internally and externally with the environment. This does not inherently โsplit timelinesโ; it merely reifies the internal development and projection of the self.
>>2837692emergent qualities are real, free will is not. you are at the mercy of your neurochemistry. if you accepted this you would actually become closer to being free, but still not quite free. one day, under socialism science will be able to restructure brains so that they no longer exhibit anti social behavior. perhaps one day we will rob brains of the urge to rape, to murder, to exploit. it will be wonderful. we already alter behavior through drugs and surgery, but not in a perfectly predictable way. this is not neo nazism because there is no racial determinism to this nor do I treat people as subhuman for how they are. race is a spook just like free will.
>>2837694If emergent qualities are real then free will is a trait that emerged out of the complex interplay of our mechanistic composition and our environments due to the ever increasing development of both. Hence why even some apes are able to recognize themselves in mirrors and learn languages; a sense of self, free will beyond merely reacting biochemical instinct, the ability to consciously alter ourselves and our environments to be able to achieve the โsocialist restructuring of our brainsโ as you put it - all of these are emergent qualities. Free will is the entire reason why our machines can be put to use to achieve the proletarian republic rather than just languushing in whatever comes most naturally to us: โI indulge, nothing else exists.โ
https://www.abc27.com/pennsylvania/former-officer-sentenced-after-producing-child-porn/>31 year old Chris Cordes was arrested while employed as a Police Officer for the Tamaqua Police Department in 2023 and 2024 after he communicated with at least one minor victim on social media.>Officials continue, saying Cordes solicited the minor to make sexually explicit images and videos of themselves.>Authorities add that Cordes used social media to solicit the receipt of child pornography from others.>United States Attorney Brian D. Miller explains that Cordes also created, then sent a video to at least one minor victim and others depicting himself engaging in sexual activity with animals.>sentenced on Friday, June 5, to 330 months, or 27 and a half years, in prison, followed by 10 years of supervised releaseSwine is swine.
>free will is real
Come on dude.
>>2837698a brain being sufficiently complex to learn a language or recognize its own body in a mirror is not a result of free will but the result of evolution however.
when does the so called free will kick in? surely a baby or a senile person does not have free will. rather than appeal to free will I would say a person starts off being a total product of their environment, but as they get older, and more capable, they have more influence over their environent. never so much as to control their environment, but enough to "leave their mark" so to speak. but even then, that is not free will, that is just a person becoming a little bit stronger and more influential compared to what they were in the womb. then they lose it all. they get weak, old, senile, brittle boned, they die. they go back to being a total product of the environment, after a brief parabolic arc where the environment was slightly influenced by them.
>>2837653<American prison guards find rapist<American prison guards throws weaker victim into cell with rapist<American prison guards look the other way as victim gets raped>lol we weren't the ones who raped em! Right-wingers love setting up these situations and can barely hide their smirk as they pretend it was some unpredictable tragedy.
>>2837691>you could not wield power any differently than a maduro If Maduro had gone underground and become an actual drug dealing terrorist he would have have survived longer. Instead he was a chump who managed to hand everything over to Trump. SAD!
>>2837712>If Maduro had gone underground and become an actual drug dealing terrorist he would have have survived longerwow so we should all become like rodrigo duterte, narco criminals and terrorists who pretend to be against that stuff
>>2837713You either do that or get nukes. Otherwise you should expect to get murdered by genocidal Nazis sooner or later.
>>2837706The emergent ability to influence and be influenced and again in a cyclical, complex interplay, rather than merely being influenced, is free will. Our machines can become sufficiently powerful enough to be able to facilitate this higher order interaction, and they can also degrade to the extent that their capacity for free will can be lessened or negated entirely; dementia and other neurodegenerative diseases are not binary on/off switches.
>>2837727but your emergent ability to influence is miniscule compared to the influence it took in to produce that output. so it is more like you are transforming and putting your stamp on what you received, and in a way that is itself typical and reproducible in others of similar circumstances. so even though everyone is unique, they will still make very similar decisions given similar stimuli. and this stimuli can be very powerful. nicotine for example is physically addictive and compels its own usage in a way that many brains are incapable of overpowering the urge to smoke (I do not smoke but I recognize this power of the stimuli over the brain).
>>2837726something even worse will replace nukes eventually. the arms race is suicidal. we need global governance or we can kiss our species and planet goodbye.
>>2837733But for the meantime WMDs or bust
>>2837731>so even though everyone is uniqueIf you admit that people are unique, then you understand that you understand that however tiny the variations may be, they are indeed variations, and not precisely reproducible. Therefore, it is not the size of the output, but rather its uniqueness, which determines the independence (and, thereby, the freedom due to infinitely increasing complexity) of expression. Many people may not be able to go "cold turkey", but some can; thus does freedom emerge out of the machine in order to liberate it from its own self-restricting shell.
>>2837738>you admit that people are uniqueyes i did so earlier. it's less of an "admission" and part of why I think free will is an illusion. uniqueness and complexity creates the illusion of choice. because the brain is capable of making billions of different decisions, it appears to be in control, but all that proves is that the brain is nuanced and unique, and so is the particular combination of stimuli at any given moment. it is like a combination lock with trillions of numbers.
>the independence (and, thereby, the freedom due to infinitely increasing complexity) of expressionI think the complexity is not "infinite" but very large and hard to comprehend. furthermore I do not think this proves "freedom" or "independence" but merely nuance and complexity. people confuse complexity for freedom, just like they confuse randomness of freedom. because it is hard to predict it seems "free" but it still behaves according to physical laws, and it is definitely not self-driven but responding to stimuli.
>Many people may not be able to go "cold turkey", but some can; thus does freedom emerge out of the machine in order to liberate it from its own self-restricting shell.some are just built different. some people will scream and cry at pain that causes other mere mild discomfort. they did not choose that. they are just that way. it's not their fault.
>>2837744
If you stopped and considered that you would act exactly like Maduro if you were in his shoes you wouldn't be so hasty to condemn him as a red capitalist. I for one would simply abolish commodity production globally with the stroke of my pen.
>>2837750
You would never be in his shoes for the same reason as the rest of us: you're posting here
>>2837752
You're mostly a loser on the internet
t. Loser
>>2837514this post is more and more vindicated every nanonsecond
>>2837599>I'd just like to recruit 1 coworker but I'm so autistic I have no idea how to talk to peopleif you are really autistic and not just taking license with that word, autistic children tend to do something called "scripting" where they learn to socialize by rehearsing to themselves in private rather than learning from context. so just study how social normies talk and rehearse that to yourself. you'll have trouble figuring out context but if you're cautious and avoid speaking if you don't know when it's correct you'll get pretty far.
>>2837756which mission?
>>2837514>>2837745Or it's that the uniqueness and complexity is exactly what gives rise to the freedom of choice in the first place. The idea that this freedom is not truly genuine quickly becomes a situation of being impossible to prove a negative, since without 100% total proof, which would require an omniscient (relative to human experience) level of understanding, you can always say that the proof isn't truly anything more than "an illusion". The argument becomes ridiculous and pointless.
>>2837759that is your strongest argument so far and i am really sleepy and can't think so good anymore. so consider free will vindicated. have a nice night
>>2837620> the brain is reshaped by the environmentMorality, laws, and customs are part of the environment, so it's odd you discount legal punishments as fake or irrelevant. Reminds me of an old paper that argued free will doesn't exist so the court system is pointless but it's still important for us smart educated people (the audience of the paper) to uphold it as a noble lie so people behave better because other studies concluded that people who don't believe in free will act in more social ways. Pretty funny, huh?
>>2837768Oops, I mean they referenced some paper that said people who don't believe in free acted in ANTI-social ways.
>>2837649> So how do you explain individual bees sacrificing themselves for the larger hive?How is this a point in your favor and not just more evidence of moralists mapping their predilections onto nature like a kind of pareidolia?
>>2837823I'm not sure if we are actually disagreeing. My point is "morals" and "morality" are words humans use to label their inclination to prosocial behavior. It was the way people used to understand the innate urges to be prosocial before we fully understood evolution and our place in it. So humans will say they have behaved "morally" when they share their food with other humans. And when a chimp, bee or lion does the same thing the framing of morals can be invoked. So since it is the same behavior we could just use prosocial behavior as a direct standin for "morality."
>>2837611Thereโs no such thing as proletarian tax dollars btw. Only bourgeois tax dollars exist. The latter is true though.
>>2837836OK, we do agree on a lot. Morality itself has more of a quasi-religious origin than I think you are giving credence to. The problem with ignoring and overlapping it with โpro-social behaviorโ is that you are side stepping a lot of the baggage morality comes with. Historically it hasnโt always been โpro-socialโ.
Karmelo Anthony case is proof that just swaths of black people and leftists believe you should just be able to murder white people for no fucking reason. This has been the case for a while (Martin, Neeley, Brown, CP5) but this case it's just come out brazenly in the open.
What happens when you replace Class with Race Idpol, you literally end up with this shit where just murdering innocent people, because they are white is bad because they're always the "oppressor" no matter the situation.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Your taxes donโt fund anything, itโs literally the government deleting money to control inflation
>>2837505nsh ur just jelly
>>2837869
bullshit, i bet "all the cities were TOTALLY BURNED DOOOWN" was also in your memory
Thousands die from overdoses and car crashes, and lack of healthcare every day and Iโm supposed to care about it murder?
>>2837869
Lmao ok so do I and it wasnโt that.
>>2837857>>2837869/pol/ astroturfs are getting lazy.
>>2837891Yeah, theyโre definitely obsessing about it over there. Itโs absolutely spill over.
>>2837857Have you tried being white instead of being American, circumcision monkey?
>>2837895If autism was cured, who would invent new technology and math? Industrial society might collapse.
>>2837895where are the stem cells coming from now that american women can't have abortions? did they figure out a way to make stem cells? I haven't been following.
>>2837910high functioning autism of the variety you are describing and nonverbal autism are very different, and I think the former used to just be called Asperger's. Now they lump it all in together as autism spectrum. There are "levels" too but I have heard they are telling people that is outdated now because it's even more granular than that.
>>2837919Thatโs a very good question. Found this:
>There is growing concern that uncharacterized, minimally manipulated cellular preparations from different sources are being misrepresented as stem cells.40 The term โstem cellโ specifically refers to rare cell populations in native tissue that are usually resting, not dividing. They are induced to divide infrequently, but when they divide they do so in a manner that is โasymmetricalโ. This division results in โself-renewalโ, with one cell returning to the resting state, and the other daughter cells expanding to generate cells, whose progeny can contribute to new tissue formation. Native tissue contains vastly more progenitor cells than stem cells and vastly more mature cells than progenitors. Under normal conditions, connective tissue progenitors (CTPs) are not detectable in human blood. In human bone marrow, a mean of one in 20,000 cells may be CTPs, with far fewer true upstream stem cells.41,42 The bottom line is that while it is possible to refer to blood and bone marrow-derived therapies as โcellularโ, if any true stem cells are transplanted they are one of the least common type of cell in the mixture. The use of the term โstem cell therapyโ is therefore an inappropriate and intentionally misleading misuse of the term that should be purged from advertising materials.
>The term โmesenchymal stem cellsโ is also misused in marketing and research literature, contributing to confusion. MSCs, now mesenchymal stromal cells, are defined by the International Society for Cellular Therapy (ISCT) as culture-expanded plastic adherent cells that have trilineage potential and express defined surface markers (Table I).45 Freshly isolated cells from tissue do not contain cells that meet these criteria. However, advertisements frequently lump together all the cells in native tissues that might contribute to either repair or immunomodulation under the banner of MSCs. This conflation between information known about the attributes and performance of culture-expanded MSCs and the highly heterogeneous and rare population of connective tissue stem and progenitors (CTPs) that are available in native tissues has resulted in considerable confusion among scientists, patients, clinicians and regulators.46 Commercial bodies have seized on confusion in nomenclature to market unproven cell therapies for an inappropriate range of applications.40 This feeds the misunderstanding on the part of patients and some providers that stem cells principally act to replace damaged and lost cells to restore normal function, despite limited clinical or preclinical evidence of long-term engraftment into musculoskeletal tissues, using cells from any source. It is becoming increasingly clear that the primary mechanism of action of transplanted cells is via a paracrine effect, by which the cells produce cytokines and other mediators that affect the local tissue environment, stimulating local, and perhaps distant host cells, to produce their biological effect.47,48 However, much ongoing research attempts to establish methods of increasing engraftment efficacy.49,50 These concepts are largely lost and poorly understood by those offering these therapies.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7002842/ >>2837919Umbilical chords.
Bro guys what happened to trump's freedom cities he hasn't talken about them in like 2 years
>>2837939thiel moved to argentina
>>2837939>During his presidential campaign in 2023, Donald Trump proposed creating what he termed as 10 deregulated "freedom cities" โ areas of federal land where businesses can focus on technological innovation and potential homeowners can find "a new opportunity" to achieve the "American Dream."
>Freedom cities, which are a type of master-planned community, could involve building a residential community on undeveloped federal land. As a candidate, Trump said he would arrange a "national contest" to "award these charters to the best ideas and proposals for development."
>Trump has shared few details about the concept. No freedom city has made tangible progress towards construction, although groups focused on this issue have begun drafting legislation to push the idea forward, the publication WIRED reported in March.
>The Frontier Foundation, a policy group focused on "freedom cities," said in a statement to PolitiFact that this a priority in the White House and a "bipartisan priority within Congress."
>"Discussions are happening," a spokesperson said in a statement. "Drafts are circulating. This promise will be fulfilled."
>Technology investors promoted establishing a "freedom city" in Greenland, if the U.S. acquired it, Reuters reported in April.
>Despite such discussion, any efforts to make freedom cities a reality are in their early stages. There is no current legislation mentioning "freedom cities," according to searches of Congress.gov, Congress's legislative tracking system. In previous congresses, legislation addressing federal land and energy development has been introduced in 2022 and 2023, but none of these bills passed the House.
>And Trump hasn't lent any rhetorical weight to the idea recently.
>Searches of FactBase, an archive of all of Trump's public remarks, show that Trump has not mentioned "freedom cities" since 2023, when he first made the promise as a candidate. Google searches also uncovered no mention of freedom cities by Trump or the White House since he began his second term.
>The White House did not respond to a request for comment on whether any advancements have been made to create "freedom cities."
>It's possible that the preliminary work undertaken by outside groups will eventually be reflected in tangible developments such as legislation or an executive order; if that happens, we'll revise our analysis. But for now, this promise earns a rating of Stalled.https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/maga-meter-tracking-donald-trumps-2024-promises/promise/1639/create-deregulated-freedom-cities-on-federal-land/article/3234/ >>2837943Why is he so lazy, build night city irl already
>>2837569>Cool vid. I'd say it is good that is happening to the USA but unfortunately their ecological collapse will have global environmental consequences.>>2837578>yes. everything is interconnected. every event has ripple effects. people are not cartoon heroes and villains by virtue of their nationality, race, or ethnicity.>>2837501>vid quote>The rivers are drying, the aquifers are emptying, the ground is sinking and shaking, the forests are exploding into ash, while the coasts silently slip beneath the waves…. if the country wants to maintain its status as a global superpower in the 21st century, it can't do that on the back of its geography. It will have to figure out how to survive without it.The USA has already lost this game. It doesn't have the capacity to plan or govern. The bourgeoisie are too dedicated to "the anarchy of production." Even the "plans" to reindustrialize using tariffs as incentives have failed because the bourgeoisie don't want to build new factories, and instead applied successfully to get refunds for the import fees they had to pay.
>>2837946I donโt even think he even remembers anymore. Heโs been stuck on that stupid ballroom for a little while now, which is honestly fine with me. I would rather him fuck up the white house than create tremendous amounts of material waste like that.
>>2837950>on that stupid ballroomit's literally an underground military base and nuclear bunker
i've said this 20 times and trump himself said it a couple of times and people keep buying into the spectacle explanation for it… i feel like i'm going crazy. why isn't that aspect of it talked about at all? do people really believe it's just a stupid ballroom still?
>>2837957>I wish he'd at least build one of those cities, all amerikkan cities suck ass in designIโm mean itโs true they all suck, but I really donโt think a city designed by libertarians and conservatives is a good idea. I think they would easily find a way to make it the worst one somehow.
Also, these purposed cities remind me more of COG settlements from Gears of War rather than night city, especially considering theyโre apparently going to have neo classical architecture as the standard.
>>2837958>it's literally an underground military base and nuclear bunker I know that part of the ballroom, but it still comes off as incredibly stupid. What realistic scenario would they even use all that for?
>>2837965I doubt they would get that far. We would just end up having a bunch of half constructed buildings in like the plains of Nebraska that just rot for a decades.
>>2837969Or something like the remains of The Lineโข in Saudi Arabia.
>>2837958An alarmingly large amount of Christian Zionists sincerely believe that the "ballroom" is also a cover for the building of the Third Temple which shall herald the return of Jesus and the end times, which is part of why the MAGA base is so adamant on it being built. It really is just religious schizophrenia from top to bottom with these guys
>>2837967Unironically? My guess is that Trump watched Alex Garland's Civil War movie and thought "nah I'm built different, all I need is a super cool military base in the White House and those dastardly antifa rebels could never get to me". He absolutely is planning on using it to drone strike the fuck out of DC and other nearby areas should things stop going his way because he's a narcissistic moron who sincerely thinks an overwhelming display of force will cow all opposition
>>2837985Iโm not trusting shitty internet polls
What is to be done?
Video games will be sanctioned in the communist republic. You will able to play video games in arcades only. Just like how we'll have centers for junkies to do drugs safely.
>>2837992Haz, you play more video games than most people
>>2837992this but for imageboards
>>2837992this but for streamers
>>2838003Isnโt this just the current state of things right now?
I was just playing man. I know what you meant. a socialist society in general right? i was just bringing up the notion that communism is supposedly stateless >>2838004
>>2838003>the coming american KMTThe American SunYatSen coming soon
>>2838007He's already here and his name is Zohran Mamdani
>>2838007america had its bourgeois revolution in 1776. george washington was our sun yat sen.
>>2838007>>2838007>The American SunYatSenyeah that sounds like haz.
of course the kmt were fascist, but they organized with Leninist tactics (just like the Nazis, retarded right winger cant come up with anything on their own) like centralized vanguard structures, strict party discipline, and democratic centralism, and paramimlitary agitators. just like the acp is doing now
>>2838003It will be extremely stupid but also mundanely so. This is too much of a fantasy indulgence.
>>2837768>you discount legal punishments as fake or irrelevant.i never said legal punishments are fake or irrelevant
>>2837768>>2837769>people who don't believe in free will act in more *anti social ways.one could certainly use the nonexistence of free will as an excuse to behave in an antisocial way, and there may even be a correlation, but that is not what I am advocating at all
>>2837759after getting sleep i want to add that I think any real discussion about freedom needs to distinguish between negative freedom (freedom from exploitation for example) from positive freedom (freedom to do whatever you feel like, even if that infringes upon the so called freedom of others). free will however is a different question. if by free will you simply mean the Engels definition of having a functioning brain that is capable of recognizing necessity and acting in accordance with it, sure that exists, but it seems misleading to call that "free will." In the same way that the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor roman nor an empire, this kind of "free will" is neither free nor will. If by free will someone means the original Christian definition, i.e. the capacity to act independently of stimuli, given to each soul by God, then that is a spook.
>>2838011>of course the kmt were fascistnot really, they were bourgeois revolutionaries. fascists serve a different historical function. bourgeois revolutuionaries introduce capitalism and bourgeois social relations to a feudal or semi-feudal social order, like in Qing China. What fascists do is divert revolutionary energy into counter-revolutionary organizations in an already highly developed capitalist situation.
>>2838011>but they organized with Leninist tacticsLenin just read Clausewitz for military tactics anyway. And Clausewitz was a bourgeois Prussian who was fluent in German idealism and dialectics.
>>2837985I stop playing vydia and started playing tabletops and reading bookshit, at least they don't stfu about titties and woke transhumanists in their media.
elon musk is declared the worlds first trillionaire
>Elon Musk becomes world's first trillionaire as SpaceX shares jumpThe jump in SpaceXโs share price today, as its floats on the US stock market, means Elon Musk has become the worldโs first trillionaire.
>His 38% stake in SpaceX is now worth around $800bn, after they jumped 20% in early trading, with the whole companyโs valuation now over $2tn.
>Musk also owns just over 10% of Tesla, a stake worth $165bn, plus options to acquire another nearly 8% stake, worth $114bn according to Forbesโs calculations.
>Forbes had calculated Muskโs wealth at around $980bn before SpaceXโs shares started trading, so it would only have taken a small rise in the share price today to hit the one-trillion dollar figure.
>Musk also owns stakes in his brain interface startup Neuralink and his tunneling firm Boring Company, plus has wealth from previous Tesla share sales.
>Reminder: Oxfam has warned that the jump in Muskโs wealth to over a trillion dollars marks โa dark day for democracyโ.https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2026/jun/12/spacex-float-us-stock-market-share-elon-musk-trillionaire-largest-ipo-ever-live-news-updates>>2837972The line was retarded design freedom cities actually have design that are realitic
>>2838033>leftypols heroi posted these quotes months ago when the reddit account was first found. this is old news but nobody shilling him here actually cares. i don't know who "leftypol" is there's, there's a lot of unique IPs on here and they can't even agree on basic questions
>>2838043Does anybody here actually shill him? People keep saying that but I've never actually seen it happen
>>2838043this website is either strasserite NatBols or DSA nygher chimps who claim to believe in marxism but will unironically tell you that the path to revolution is through radlibbery, there is no in between.
lucky for them, platner is both of those things: a genocidal agent of fascist imperialism, who has gone on record fantasizing abt pillaging and murdering thirdworlders, who now turned to petite bourgeois succdem lib-tivism.
>>2838046Okay come on at least three out of five of those are obviously bait
>>2838048>nygher chimpsat least try to hide it a little bro bro
>>2838051maybe i'm too autistic to tell the difference between bait and sincere reactionaries
>>2838051on second inspection only the chuck schumer one strikes me as sarcastic
>>2838052In all fairness this site for the past five years has been dominated by folks who seem to choose their political positions based on how many people they get a rise out of. Bait upon bait upon bait so deep that reality itself becomes bait.
>>2838052sorry vro. I know it doesn't make sense to judge so called strasserism and then do this shit, but I'm an edgy teenager I cant help it sometimes. also I thought it would automatically switch to 'uygha' or 'uyghur' or something like that
>>2838055> but I'm an edgy teenager I cant help it sometimesmooooooooooooooooooooooods underageb&
>>2838058NOOOOOOO don't do this to me I'm legal bro. if you ban me how else do I spend my time. how else does one satiate their human need to shitpost
>>2838054>>2838055it's almost like baiting people constantly just kind of makes you a piece of shit and people on this site should stop doing it. It's almost like that kind of behavior is actually mostly just from /pol/tards and their ilk from mostly when 4chan got taken over by right wingers. It's almost like it's just anti-social behavior that comes at a cost of everyone else for your own brief moment of masturbatory pleasure.
"ha ha, look how angry and spiteful i can make random other people for my pleasure!" said the person claiming to want to make society better
>>2838063this is a hot take but i think the radlib SJWs were onto something with microaggressions. i used to think it was bullshit but then i read spiking your cortisol repeatedly causes brain damage so ragebaiting people literally makes them dumber. what does that mean for a society where everyone is constantly ragebaiting each other?
>>2838074
>ok cmon be honest everyone on here does it a little.
It's every single fucking day.
"I am a socialist. I believe a better world is possible."
And what does that actually mean?"
"Oh i spend every day going on websites and trying to get other socialists angry."
>>2838063>>2838063ok cmon be honest everyone on here does it a little. I mean, this is a "politically incorrect" space, no? I mean, if all we were here to do is have a formal discussion we'd just be on Reddit. I only meant it as a ironic over the top statement to release frustration at existing problems, didn't realize people would get caught up with that word itself. not meant to be ragebait or poltardism, there was an actual valid opinion written in the rest of the post.
AND ALSO, it was supposed to get translated to UYGHA. there are entire threads where its just people calling each other Jewish N****r and and its uncensored, the moderation is random at times
>>2838011>yeah that sounds like hazThey are going to hate it but sounds about right or someone having similar positions and tactics
>>2838085If i, a european, made this up about you americans, everyone would say i was going a bit far.
>>2838079>>2838079I really don't do that you sheltered cracker teenager.
>>2838087i would have been waiting for the punchline tbh
>>2838079>AND ALSO, it was supposed to get translated to UYGHA. there are entire threads where its just people calling each other Jewish N****r and and its uncensored, the moderation is random at timesthat's the only case where it's uncensored. this is because marx called ferdinand lassalle that in a private letter to engels in 1862. for a few years conservatives and anti communists would bring this up in bad faith as if they were suddenly paragons of woke, so mods uncensored it as an easter egg.
honkoid status?
Can trump suspend congress alreadyyyy
>>2838100He's gotta finish the ballroom first
>>2838100does he really need to if he can veto everything anyway
>>2838048>nygher chimpsThe dsa is like 85 percent white. 2021 member survey. Because its the cia. Yet honkey always want to blame afrikans for their issues.
>>2838113>>2838113AGAIN, it was NOT SUPPOSED to actually denote any racially motivated comment, just an ironic over the top statement of vulgarity, why does every one take everything seriously on a s hit posting board? well, everything except any serious political statement you make.
of course I know the dsa is whites. of course radlibbery is gonna be undertaken by comfortable upper middle class folks who haven't felt oppression and subsequently have no desire for true change, but are swept away by political discourse and social justice culture so they pretend to care about all these issues without actually changing the status quo from which they benefit. I only said that word to denote a general pejorative against a group of people I despise. if you actually read my post you'd know that.
>>2838067After being in this thread I concur because holy shit some folks here have gotten dumb
>>2838107nah you cant compare dorner to karmelo. dorner was uncontroversially goated
>>2838055>but I'm an edgy teenagerWell cut it out.
>day three of caveman anon being convinced that Anthony Karmelo is national news
I think caveman anonโs stupidity is contagious
>>2838088I'm NOT WHITE you dumb cunts. stop projecting
>>2838145College kids wont either, according to Fedlix anyone with a college education should be shot and red army cadres should be regularly massacring college campuses. The only true revolutionaries are in my discord groupchat
>>2838145felixs communist party will wage gurilla war
>>2838145To be honest? Probably never. The people that believe that stuff are obstinate in their position and are more likely to annoy everyone else into leaving then to change.
>>2838153Honestly it all just seems kinda hopeless. People are angry but they're both super apathetic and have short attention spans. I've already accepted the fact that I will never own a home or have anything close to the wealth of previous generations and I'll be lucky if I can so much as land a job, nevermind one that pays me enough to both rent an apartment and have recreational activities. It just feels like it's all going to slowly get worse except for the billionaires and we're just expected to take it and you know what we probably will because we've been in hell for so long we cant even imagine any alternative. To say nothing of how miserable the world will be for my hypothetical children. Sometimes it's all one can do not to go insane
>>2838165
>catchphrases
ooh ooh, say the thing about silk gloves, l love that one
>>2838165
>if you think shitposting is dumb YOU ARE FASCIST
defensive, arenโt you?
>>2838145Honestly I think such people are not much more than an annoyance. Those who treat socialism and class struggle as a practical exercise in building a movement guided by materialist analysis and meaningful practice will advance. Those who treat it as an exercise in personal moral superiority and virtue signalling will fail. The biggest problem with such an outlook is how corrosive it is to productive discussion at the early stages, before there is a real movement that shows the path forward.
>>2838166I try to keep my head down and just work on myself, exercise more, develop more skills, enjoy some hobbies.
It can be rough anon, and while the world looks bleak its harder than ever to stay sane.
Still, keep fighting. Keeping trying your best. I believe you can do it, Anon.
>>2838197Sabocat you've always had a level head in this stuff and I admire that, however as you yourself acknowledge I find it hard to believe that the movement
can advance as long as the virtue signaling types remain, not only do they destroy present discussions but I think they sow the seeds of this idea that "Well this is how Communists are supposed to act" or something along those lines. It's sort of like that hypothesis that a lot of Cointelpro stuff now is automatic, people inheriting disruptive tactics pushed by feds but thinking "well that's how the movement is
supposed to be."
Itโs too goddamn hot for work
>>2838201Itโs like I said yesterday, the extremely online are a liability
>>2838214>>2838214its 97 where I am on the east coast. I imagine California is satans domain by now
just hope the proles in manual labor are doing okay
unrelated but has anyone here ever been to China. I'm really interested in visiting those high dense urban spaces like Chongqing that seem like they are a world on its own. or just normal touristry cities like Beijing and Shanghai and whatnot. it just feels like China has so many large cities, actual urbanized cities you can explore for days on end, unlike America where its just a measly traffic jammed downtown area and then boring suburban sprawl for miles on end afterwards and that's what ends up getting called a "city". anyone with experience have any thought about the country they'd like to share?
>>2838227It's 100+ for the next week or so. But that's pretty common in Central California.
>>2838224the opposite actually, the extremely online are societies burgeoning cultural elite, evidenced by the fact that the white house is using cuck as an insult and musk posting on 4chan trying to get them to like him, guarenteed we'll get an influencer president in less than a decade
>>2838245Hassan v nic fuentes / asmongold / mr beast
>>2838250Hasan Piker and Haz Al-Din vs Asmongold and Nick Fuentes coming soon
>>2838201sabo is correct here, when shit hits the fan the frauds will be exposed and thrown out by the toiling masses like they always have been throughout history. having lived in a low trust society for so long americans have a more acute bullshit meter
>>2838245>musk posting on 4chan trying to get them to like himkek
this actually happen?
>>2838253Tag team.
I would watch that Haz could probably fuck all three of those guys up.
>>2838253>Hasan Piker and Haz Al-Din vs Asmongold and Nick Fuentes coming soonD$A champagne RadLib and Strasserite with right wing cultural characteristics vs deformed ape-looking redpiller and edgy alt-nazi incel
>>2838145>>2838197>>2838224At this point I don't even try to debate them. The only thing worth saying to them is pointing out that they're worthless, virtue signaling losers. 5 years ago I would never have thought of that about other communists, people who I should see as comrades and allies. Now after years of dealing these kinds of people both online and irl I absolutely despise them.
Sometimes I get upsetting intrusive thoughts that if fascists killed these people then maybe the movement would actually progress.
>>2838260I don't want 'em dead, but yeah I see what you mean.
Like they have absolutely zero concern for the people around them. They have a supposed or vocalized concern for "mankind" in the abstract, or some distant people they don't speak to, but the thing is Communists in the past who felt that strongly about those things would actually, y'know, go abroad and fight. I was reading Stephen King's book on writing and he mentions, I believe, having a family friend who died after moving abroad to fight in some Socialist guerilla movement in Latin America. I can respect
that, but when it's just "Death to Amerikkka" from the comfort of an apartment and from people who don't do any fighting themselves, it feels ridiculous.
>>2838262>I don't want 'em deadNeither do I, hence why said intrusive thoughts are upsetting to me.
I genuinely hope for a better world but fuck man watching the left accomplish nothing and act increasingly more retarded has me teetering on the edge of becoming a nihilist. Like I'm about to say this shit doesn't matter anymore and try to enjoy what little time we have on Earth with my wife, friends and family before everything burns.
>>2838255It Did. Look up Adrian Dittmann.
>>2838266>>2838260>>2838262The thing that vexes me about it personally is that…like, we're communists right? "Community" is literally part of our name. We dont have to necessarily like each other but we do have to work together for the greater good of society and ourselves. But here enters this particular type of malcontent, the Schizo Maximalist. The Schizo Maximalist has a preconceived idea of what communism is and their ideal society, as well as actions to be taken to reach these. If someone deviates ever so slightly then they may as well be on the same side as a murderous neo-nazi. This includes other Communists who might dare to watch or reference a piece of pop culture, or live in a house, are white/black/Indian, attended college…the list goes on and on. The Schizo Maximalist, in trying to be a purist, has engaged in a revisionism of his own in the form of purity spiraling over things irrelevant to communism. If one of your comrades watches soccer or talks about the new Superman movie, for most Communists that's not even something really to care about. At most, one might say "well I'm not really into superhero shit anyways, a lot of that genre is kinda fash coded because blah blah blah" and like that's an understandable position and one that can be debated. The Schizo Maximalist, however, sees such a person and their first thought is to brutally murder them and then proudly display their bodies first to their comrades and then to other "enemies", with anyone reacting with disgust or confusion also being enemies to be killed. The ultimate goal of the Schizo Maximalist is to have a "cadre" of maybe five or six terminally online guys who are perpetually mad about everything, hate society, hate humanity (while simultaneously claiming to be doing this on behalf of humanity), and thereby alienating everyone from the left who isn't as maladjusted as they are. Which is just fine for them, they love the idea of more "reactionaries" to kill, but there's at most a dozen of them vs 340 million Americans. Who do you think is more likely to win in a protracted struggle, especially when the former group is adamant that everyone outside of them is a reactionary to be killed?
Anyways, TLDR Schizo Maximalism should be treated as a form of wrecker behavior
>>2838270Bingo.
The schizo maximalists like Felix, chagos, caveman anon, edgelords on tumblr and bsky, etc etc etc, are a fucking embarrassment, and itโs who people associate with us.
>>2838273>>2838270wreckers will always outnumber normies online because feds are using LLMs to make discussion impossible. then IRL people are even more paranoid because feds use agent provocateurs to get everyone arrested and so on
>>2838085united states of america kick stream when
Scottish bourgeois economist says neoliberalism is transitioning to national capitalism and shouts out Lenin. MUST READ article if you want to understand the state of global finance
>Q: And that would conform to your definition of financial repression?
<A: Yes. I say we are headed towards a system of national capitalism. Interestingly, the term โนnational capitalismโบ has been used before, by a man who used to live in Zurich for a while: his name was Lenin. In a system of national capitalism, governments direct national savings towards national purposes. And our purposes today are investments, as outlined by Macron or Draghi and also by industrial policy initiatives in the US: Investments in energy infrastructure, in defense, in new productive capacity in order to de-risk from China. If we get into a bad Cold War with China, this will have a high national priority.
>Q: You mentioned that you see the world moving towards a system of national capitalism. This would upend everything that most investors today take for granted: free flow of capital, market based bond yields, and the like.
<A: Yes. The most important part is the idea that national savings shall be used for national purposes. There will be a big push to repatriate capital, back to Europe and back to Japan, for example. The other part is that we need to understand how much of the current world financial system is based on China and its decision in 1994 to manage its currency against the dollar. After the 1997-98 Asian Financial Crisis, most Asian countries started to do the same thing. The result was an exponential growth in dollar reserves. These were all non-price-sensitive buyers of Treasuries and other US assets. This huge flow of capital has pushed interest rates down and equity prices up. Today, 58.5 trillion dollars worth of American assets are owned by foreigners. Arguably, this system started falling apart in 2014, when global forex reserves peaked. Itโs now coming to an end, because itโs not working for China anymore. China has reached the end of the rope, both in terms of its total debt to GDP and also in terms of the rest of the world not willing to absorb Chinaโs overproduction anymore. Historically, every thirty or forty years monetary systems collapse. The current one, the one we have lived with since 1994, is collapsing in front of our eyes.
>Q: What will the new world financial order look like?
<L: Letโs deal with China first. China will separate from the rest. They will want to adopt a truly independent monetary policy, a policy that will need to be much looser in order for them to address their domestic economic problems and to inflate away their domestic debt. They would simply say the exchange rate is no longer a target. As a consequence of that, I forecast that their currency will fall. Many observers think China can form a new system with their โนalliesโบ. But for that to happen, we would need to see the holdings of the renminbi as a reserve asset going up. We get data on that every quarter from the IMF, and it shows that itโs not happening. Beijing may be setting up a system where countries can settle trade in renminbi, but so far, all the evidence we have is that nobody wants to hold renminbi as a reserve asset.https://themarket.ch/interview/russell-napier-we-are-headed-towards-a-system-of-national-capitalism-ld.12718>>2838254>having lived in a low trust society for so long americans have a more acute bullshit meterlol no they dont they fall for every fucking political scam, fraud, and grift out there. a hundred million people follow zion don to the fucking ends of the earth and jump off if he says to, and another hundred million who will fall for the fight agency script every single fucking time, all of whom constantly moan about how bad their parties are but falling ever more viciously on anyone who dares suggest an alternative, while the last hundred million are out falling for cults or doing ayahuasca and ketamine on a very genuine """spiritual experience""" as the remainder are busy getting baked off their ass on weed so they dont have to think about their lives.
>>2838291as opposed to falling for the political scam hillary clinton and joe biden tried orchestrating? lole
>>2838290>MUST READ<look inside>actually china produces too much and makes everything too cheap, that's not fair, and actually dedollarization isn't happening and burgers will be OK and actually china is the one who's screwedreeks of nato cope tbh
>>2838292>instead of [scam] they fell for [scam]!yes and?
where is the evidence that americans have learned anything except apathy and shallow signaling?
>>2838293when he says chinas currency will keep getting devalued that's not a negative thing, it's a policy China deliberately sets as it makes products more competitive on the market for exports. Only in import nations like america is a strong currency desirable
>>2838299all i see is people who complain they're eating shit every day but scream at anyone who suggests going to a different restaurant, or cooking at home.
>>2838299rookie numbers. i need that shit 90%
like the whole thing is people who eat shit at the restaurant that serves shit, and they refuse to go anywhere else, and they're sick of shit, but every time the owner comes out and says "we're finally serving something that isn't shit on a plate" they get excited, only to be disappointed at finding out it's shit on a plate again, and have been doing this for literally generations of complaining about shit.
>>2838313>and they're sick of shitso they want change and the marxists leninists aren't organized enough to meet the demand? seems like its the marxists fault to me NGL
>>2838318>outnumbered>exploited>it's your fault society is reactionary>you should have spent more time at your illegal unpaid second job where you fight the state and maybe get killed for itthat's all true but also i can see why it's a hard pill to swallow
>>2838318>>2838321except for the part where the people eating shit don't meaningfully try to move away from it either.
like i said, it's apathy and shallow signalling far more than a serious desire to change things. They'll keep shoveling it down their gullet holes, going insane from time to time, as long as they're just allowed to keep complaining.
>>2838324>the people eating shit don't meaningfully try to move away from it either.Are you not seeing both ends of the political spectrum radicalizing? Centrist candidates are being thrown out. In the 90s political careers ended over candid photos with un-wifed women, now maine is projected to elect a guy with a totenkampf tattoo who said he'd rape whoever tried burglarizing his house. the political environment is rapidly changing in ways not seen since the 1920s and 30s and look where that ended up
Reading all the posts of foreigners coming to the U.S. for World Cup tourism and basically being adopted by the locals has been unironically wholesome.
Also for any foreigners visiting (unlikely given its leftypol) a few ranges out here let you rent guns to shoot with, could be a fun activity in your downtime.
>>2838328>instead of being scammed by respectabilitythey're falling for people who talk like marvel characters and just open psychopaths>but still fundamentally mostly just votingmmm, mm.
>>2838345Revolutions are the locomotives of history says marx. Watch what horrors the american public unleashes when real crisis strikes at home. In that moment the marxists will have their moment to step up as leaders only as last resort
>>2838353i somewhat expect marxists to be massacred and/or sent to death camps before any kind of marxist revolution occurs. america is too attached to its imperialism to simply abandon it. americans themselves would sooner kill their neighbor than lose their treats.
>>2838355Generally speaking people donโt side with antisocial types who gleefully pronounce โyou deserve all this and I hope it gets worseโ during a crisis. Any failure on the part of Marxists in the circumstances of a crisis would be on them imo.
>>2838355I say 'revolution' broadly, not specifically a communist one. A civil war would be a revolution. When one begins here there will be many interests at play in the beginning, some Porky interests too, like Steve bannon calling himself a leninist that wants to smash the state, or the Techbros who want to do away with the state to set up their new tech cities in libertarian anarchy. To a certain extent competing interests need to be discredited first before enough attention is turned to the marxists
>>2838360>Generally speaking people donโt side with antisocial types who gleefully pronounce โyou deserve all this and I hope it gets worseโ during a crisis.you haven't paid attention to the history of america if you think they wouldn't side with the reactionary side and think they can solve their problems by killing poor people.
>>2838355 >>2838355they're just going to be weaned off imperialism and then slowly wither away without any kind of big bang revolt happening. people are just going to rot alive.
>>2838365We continue to march forward into Hell
>>2838365what would happen if someone killed him? he disinherited all his ex-gf's and their children. so where does the money go?
>>2838365the slow pathetic decline continues
>>2838369Realistically it's hard to disinherit people and it would be an epic Jerry Springer worthy legal battle-royale between all his baby mommas.
>>2838373ironfelix could do the funniest fucking thing
>>2838352Exactly. Who wants to play a game that is painful to even look at?
>>2838364Insanely optimistic. Republicans are setting up a militarily dictatorship presidency with an extensive internal surveillance state while the Dems cry about norms. Trump is the canary in the coal mine and there will be a more competent fascist put in charge eventually.
>>2838375but he wont even say boo to a goose
>>2838389Youโre not whipping your dick out to solve the problem
>lenin spends all day riding his bike through paris as the world burns
Action for actionโs sake is every bit as masturbatory and narcissistic as your armchair leftcom
>>2838360What crisis do you speak of? Yanks seem to be plundering the world without recourse
>>2838398Good, the world deserves it for being weak
America is an angry drunk and every other government is the enabling, cowardly wife who does nothing as the children are getting the belt from dad
>>2838391๐Lenin commanded party to success while in exile. Cpusa begged for millions from workers to fund vidya reviews.
>>2837990>nu-right same ol same ol.
what's the point of coining terms for the same old shit.
>>2838402le great man theory in 2026 is insane
>>2837992>sanctionedno, but heavily and estrictily regulated. no duke nukem for 8yos, no stellar blades for teens, no resident evil for teens.
>You will able to play video games in arcades onlythat contravenes the
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need principle. you won't be able to have one of those for create capital, but if you have worked to earn on individual console for your enjoyment, you will be able to have one.
also, weak b8.
>>2838409That isn't great man theory. Leadership matters. Good decisions and purposeful policies can be the difference between success and failure.
>>2838010The USA never actually had its bourgeois-democratic revolution. Political power rests in the countryside and not the town. The government is also far too decentralized.
>>2838419wrong on all three counts, impressive
>>2838421Electoral college + senate + gerrymandering.
I think on a more theoretical level that the American South took a more top-down Prussian path of developing. Consequently, the USA maintains some odd undemocratic traits of Junker capitalism today.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1907/agrprogr/ch01s5.htm all the hating on platner it's a waste of resources, waste of energy and waste of time.
there are more worrisome actors. lindsay graham was re-elected. but I see no screeching about that.
I said it once, I say it again; if platner is true, he has repented, there's no point in hitting on him.
>>2838424don't they understand…
there's a cheeto in the white house
>>2838424>he has repentedHow though? Everyone keeps saying this. What has he actually done besides coming home from a career of imperial goonery to idk fish or some shit. And then suddenly decide to go around talking about how's a total lefty now? Call me crazy, but just comes across as a hard sell to me.
>>2838425it's not only the cheeto man….
it's the lindsay grahams, it's the fettermans, it's the kirsten sinemas, it's the virginia foxxs, the mike lee, the supreme court…
fixating on a guy who at least came out to advance some bare minimum litmus test, despite his background, it's not, on my mind, the thing to do.
granted, when revolution comes, and if really aims for accountability, platner will be held accountable, too, but also considering his change. but only once the worse actors are gone, before, and suffer a worst outcome, like execution by a firing squad or the electric chair.
>>2838424Platner stole the senate seat from the TRVE revolutionary anti-zionist anti-imperialist leftist: Janet Mills. Who was also a woman
>>2838419>Political power rests in the countryside and not the town. The government is also far too decentralized.What would a town and centralized USA even look like?
>>2838427speak ๐ your ๐ truth ๐
you are so right and valid. right now is just not the time for all that wrecker leftist bullshit.
>>2838428>Janet Millsfalse, platner is more to the left of mills by a large stretch. in ukraine platner stated that the US regime is on a 'military adventurism' operation in ukraine, something mills never acknowledged.
on Gaza/Palestine; she would have a problem with any bill so broad that it could block Iron Dome or other defensive weapons for Israel, and in Bowdoin comments she called Gaza โhorrific and unnecessary and cruelโ but stopped short of calling it genocide; platner, by contrast, calls Gaza a genocide, says he will not take AIPAC money, and says he stands for ending it through any means.
even on local issues platner is more left-leaning than mills, mills is more punitive for drug use; platner proposes cannabis legalization, while mills opposed any decrominizaling drug possession.
why do you come here to spread lies.
another 100000000x years of platner discourse as if he's fucking jesus come to create the USSA
just shoot me
>>2838426If you have become awakened to the evils of america's endless imperialist wars of aggression after fighting in one yourself, is there a more significant action you can take to redeem yourself and put a roadblock in the way of rapacious imperialism than winning a senate position to make sure that for the rest of your life you can try to prevent the next war from happening? Not that I think he has taken that much of anti-war position during his campaign, and I expect him to be a-okay with democrat president wars when they come up, but you know hypothetically.
>>2838439don't take me wrong, when aocia, bernard ziosanders, move doing shitty things, I'll be there.
for instance, bernie sanders is pushing to socialize the losses of AI bubbles that are about to pop out.
interested individuals can request a link to that.
but I don't waste my time here, or on X to shit on them every fucking day of my existence.
revolution weren't perfect, aren't perfect, won't be perfect.
>>2838441take your meds. no one stated that.
>>2838445Yes, definitely not, that's why people spend thread after thread talking about one (uno) person and repeating the exact same points for and against every single time as if he actually matters beyond giving the workers more treats even if he secretly was a crypto-socialist. Clearly some socdem with a nazi tattoo in a tiny state is the most important thing in the USA.
>>2838419The federal government is one of the most powerful in the world and has been since WW2. It's why republicans go crazy whenever a democrat is elected to do the bare minimum. Sure those democrats never anything do but they theoretically could.
>>2838428Listen y'all, folx need to fight toxic masculinity, misogyny and rape culture by supporting Susan Collins.
U.S. SOCCER IS HERE MOTHER FUCKERS. FUCK YES
>>2838447He doesn't suck Israel's circumcized cock so the hasbara agents hate him. They feel threatened by even the most basic soccdems because all it takes is enough of them to vote to defund Israel for the whole house of cards to come crashing down. Israel cannot survive without the direct support of the United States. They've never been more vulnerable.
I've been watching this Mexican pirate stream of the Paraguay game and the broadcaster would break into English as a semi-ironic joke when the U.S. would score a goal. He'd go ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME… U.S.AYEEEEE, pretty funny
>>2838452not really. he's a liberal zionist. and with USA and Israel fusing their militaries that becomes irrelevant
>>2838453>>2838451God our team is playing aggressive, I love it, we need this energy
>>2838443>is there a more significant action…rest of your life you can try to prevent the next war from happening?6 years roughly. He won and that's great, but he's been "retired" Burgerkorp for about 6 years. He's had plenty of time to make amends, but we've only been hearing his name now for like the past 4 months. Super trust worthy guy, Im sure.
>>2838419Countryside has no power lol, if that were the case then these AI data centers fucking them over wouldn't get rammed through.
Yes we have retarded agricultural policies to appease them, but damn near everything else is being determined by people who live in cities. Ruralites are just the rubes supporting them.
That's not to say I'm pro-rural/anti-urban lol.
>>2838447as if ever I've talked about him, except on this thread for once because it has become unbearable to see his name used as a litmus test on whether you are or not a truly revolutionary by shitting on him being the necessary platitude that will grant anyone a 'true revolutionary' medal.
>>2838454Hasbara spotted.
>>2838457fucking over who exactly? certainly not the rich de facto rulers of the rural areas. they're in on that action.
>>2838457>doesn't know about states with less than 1 million habitants having the same two senators as states with tens of millions living there.how come there are people itt political illiterate enough to make these claims.
>>2838372Where the fuck did they even get a fucking Elephant?!?!
USA is already choking lmao
>>2838466yeah 4-1 is choking, nice try… pero la Estados Unidos ha VENCIDO a Paraguay
>U-S-A Also for record I'm saying "Paraguay" like Paraguaieeee
>>2838467They look so bored. Why would they even bother going?
>>2838468Youre on the same side as marco rubio
>>2838478>โWaaah you canโt root for your country in a sport! Muh heccin anti imperialism!โSuck my balls
>>2838479h8ers will say its AI
>>2838478No, this isn't the time. This group isn't worthy to get it done. The one who will take down USA is Iran pulling a 7-0 on their own soil. Amerikkka will be humiliated
>>2838479Bro is in bed with the Targaryens
>>2838498Thats just the AIPAC without the skin suits.
>>2838508targeted @ china i think. to not facilitate another deepseek
>>2838508Ah yes, this totally enforceable directive that will definitely work as intended
>>2838510when we all got unlimited access to the best PEDs money can buy
>>2838521it's completely unenforceable which is why they just took the model down entirely rather than try to limit it to americans.
>>2838514afaik theres no evidence deepseek was a clone of any american model.
>>2838478Are you surprised? Myles is an out and proud fascist. Why does it shock you that he's on the same side as Marco Rubio?
The creature is not only a fan of the fascist "sport" soKKKer, but also a hardcore nationalist. It's not a surprise that he's way into a game organized by a literal fascist mafia.
>>2838571>fascist "sport" soKKKerlol. out of curiosity what hobbies or sports do you think are not fascist?
>>2838573What other sport has, as it's fanbase, roving gangs of neo-nazis who celebrate every game by getting drunk and attacking minority youth and/or rioting?
SoKKKer is unique, because of FIFA. FIFA is inseparable from soKKKer. FIFA is a fascist mafia and not even soKKKer fans will deny this, yet they still shovel money into FIFA's gullet every day.
SoKKKer is so insanely fascist that even Myles would be considered a Communist in European soKKKer "ultra" circles. The entire Ukrainian far right was specifically recruited from soKKKer ultras to do the Maidan in 2014. I have no doubt that the CIA and FIFA work together to cultivate these fascist gangs, which are very useful for the bourgeoisie.
So where are the rugby ultras? Where are the baseball ultras? Where are the cricket ultras? They do not exist. Why? Why is it JUST soKKKer that has roving gangs of riotous neo-nazis as it's core fanbase? What is it about the sport that specifically draws fascists to it, and no other?
>>2838594>Fox NewsLmao get serious, you might as well post Buzzfeed
>>2838594i got ahold of one of the juche posters facebook and he currently has an image of the poor kids grave being pissed on as his default picture, and it's his friend pissing on it. 3rd turdists are mentally ill terrorists
>>2838587>What other sport has, as it's fanbase, roving gangs of neo-nazis who celebrate every game by getting drunk and attacking minority youth and/or rioting? Soccer hooligans is just mob mentality latching onto some random ball kicking game. Ancient Romans and Byzantines did the same thing with chariot racing. Chariot gang violence lead to the Nika Riots that ended up with Justinian killing 30,000 people. So that sort of behavior is not specifically fascist considering history.
I don't know what conservatives are even supposed to conserve in current year
>>2838528You think China doesn't have agents in anthropic who will send them a rip of the model, if they haven't already?
>>2838691They were never conserving shit lol. All political language/labeling is a form of propaganda but especially in the United States.
Dickriders status?
>>2838583give me a list of non-fascist sports
>>2838450most libs hate him. but retardlicans obviously like him cause he a white supremacist,and they think he's one of the "good" (that is to say, white) immigrants. libs are insufferable, but American conservatives are some of the biggest retards on earth. the fact that they still support trump shows they don't actually care about any values, they just look for whichever racist pos is worry of their worship
>>2838604Youre a retarded yank. You dont get a fucking thing. Fox news is biggest media conglomerate in amerika, and world. They changed title from "Disgusting Karmelo Anthony Reporters Do Unthinkable" or something lile that. They say afrikans are disgusting for fighting to defend themselves. Cpusanon and the rest of the white supremacist yanks have fox nees line.
>>2838624Theres nothing wrong with pissing on dead white supremacist. You are confucius. Mean men make the world go around. The slave masters horrified when the mean men turn on then.
What we need to do is theoretically merge communist tactics and planning with anarchist creativity.
>>2838468>it's okay if I wave the nazi flag and yell heil hitler because i'm only enjoying the olympicseat shit
>>2838795More and more people are saying this is the one thing the establishment fears
>>2838795what if we went stalin on these pigs and targeted class enemies, whether they be individuals or institutions? I cant say too much (fear of glowies) but I'm sure you get the idea. a mass sabotage/agigation campaign by underground agents. just a hypothetical of course
>>2838802>what if we went stalin20+ years of boring, dull, unrewarding and unseen underground party-work? yeah I agree we could.
>>2838790Their real wages have taken a 0.2% hit since iran war started, so They descend deeper into confucian slave owner moralism and strict bourgeois legalism, then cheer usa as babies die. Now they brainstorm anarchism to try to hide and absolve themselves of their crimes
>>2838804no i meant young stalin. like when he was robbing banks and holding borgies for ransom. your refusal to do anything at all is shocking comrade. stalin had the balls to do what you call 20+ years of boring, dull, unrewarding and unseen underground party-work, and those little things inched us ever closer to the revolution.
if I laid out a specific plan and you said you disagreed, that'd be one thing. but calling out the entire idea of agitation or sabotage is absurd. if you're o scared of getting your hands dirty, just go to a D$A forum already
>>2838717It's why anarkkkism is so popular in the USA. Localism is the cultural inheritance of the slaveocrats and other wealthy land-owners.
>>2838820
>vaguely mentioning what is necessary to have a successful revolution is clearly fed behavior
sorry kinng I forgot that the revolution will actually be just a party we throw after years of wasting our lives shitposting on leftypoop. clearly I haven't read marx
>>2838822That is why the preference is Maoism
>>2838848
what if my grandmother's really cool
>>2838848
ok fine I guess you do br,ing up a good point. mass surveillance is worse than ever. remember that cia guy saying that even tv's can be activated and used as microphones?
but if that really is the case, how exactly does one go about achieving true privacy? especially for people who the govt would want to keep on eye on? I've been obsessing over this kind of stuff recently, and I've looked into some things like TOR browsers, long range ip scramblers, but does anyone care to enlighten me with some other methods or tools to avoid surveillance or detection and just generally keep a low profile
>>2838450because he's a B
oer B
illionaire C
olonizer and not a Haitian worker.
Turns out the reason why the government blocked Anthropics AI models was because amazon jailbroke it early and told the feds it could teach people how to do cyberattacks
https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/amazon-ceos-talks-with-u-s-officials-triggered-crackdown-on-anthropic-models-dcc90578>>2838365>elon is trillionaire now he has about $576.60 for every second he has been alive.
clearly he works harder in 1 second than the third worlders who live on 1 dollar a day mining cobalt work in an entire yearโฆ. right?
he earned every dollar by innovating (crashing rocket ships) creating jobs (causing problems) and taking on risk (gambling with subsidies) or something… all while zonked out on ketamine and seig-heiling at GOP conventions
>>2838636Just ignore him, he's a loser who'll bitch about anything.
'Bout the only thing better than winning the match is knowing he's completely incapable of enjoying it.
>>2838419>The USA never actually had its bourgeois-democratic revolutionWe had 2/3rds of one
the first 1/3rd was in 1776
the second 1/3rd was in 1865
radical reconstruction would have taken care of the final 3rd, but Abe Lincoln was a retarded cuck who left Andrew Johnson in charge.
>>2838636>Soccer hooligans is just mob mentality latching onto some random ball kicking game. Ancient Romans and Byzantines did the same thing with chariot racing. Chariot gang violence lead to the Nika Riots that ended up with Justinian killing 30,000 people. So that sort of behavior is not specifically fascist considering history.This is why I wish people would learn more pre-capitalist history
>>2838899We did have the last third. The third was the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s. We completed the bourgeois revolution
>>2838904good point. never mind. onto socialism!
>>2838904More could come.
Didn't the French have multiple bourgeoise revolutiona?
>>2838911
It didn't fail, the next step is socialism because that is the only way.it is that simple
>>2838908Still believe we are about to have a Bonapartist-Peronist taking over pretty soon
>>2838915Mamdani will be the American Peron, alhamdulillah
>>2838911
>the civil rights movement failed
nah its what allowed traditionally excluded interest groups to rise for the first time. how do you think we got to a point where jewish interests could be influential
>>2838918The Jews have money the blacks dont.
>>2838923
Because reforms won't solve it, only revolution which is what every Civil Rights leader concluded before they got offed like Malcolm X and MLK
>>2838900My mang, it's not a matter of learning history, it's just a matter of the dude being retarded. He'd go on a rant about how Adolf Hitler would be to the Left of everyone here or if I said I liked Baseball he would rant that Baseball is an objectively fascist support, with pitchers desperate to throw up a roman salute every time they toss the ball.
>>2838920>The Jews have money not on the whole. the ultraorthadox are poor as shit and live off welfare cuz they refuse to work and middle class religious jews refuse to send their huge family to anything other than private jewish academies which runs up to 20k a year per kid. the cost of living crisis is making these religious nuts better assimilate
>>2838923
>It failed in the sense that black people in the US are still disproportionately poor and incarcerated (they own roughly 4% of the wealth despite being 13% of the population), it succeeded in tying them into propping up imperialism by seeking military positions and voting for Democrats, where all social causes go to die.
if perfect distribution of wealth among all demographics and perfect representation in parliamentary bodies for all demographics is the true goalpost for what constitutes a completed bourgeois revolution (the original topic, remember?) then no country on earth has had a completed bourgeois revolution because every country on earth has oppressed ethnoreligious minorities. even "homogenous" countries like Japan have the Ainu and shit. So that's a silly goal to have. If the population of demographic X shrinks from 19% to 18% does that mean their political representation and wealth also have to shrink by the exact same amount and if it doesn't society is no longer bourgeois? Seems an impossible task.
>>2838922most assuredly this guy is just waiting for the right marxists to come along and radicalize them properly.
Most assuredly in a country of 400 million people the problem is that not a single one of them has managed to read marx and lenin in the right way over the last 70 years. that's totally the issue.
>>2838956Iโve been saying for a while that a flaw in contemporary socialist thinking is this idea that you just need to be โthe most correctโ or โexplain things the bestโ and youโll turn the movement around. I think that tweet showcases that
>>2838959I see Uncle Stalin is still in control of the weather machine.
>>2838966actually existing bordigism
>>2838966This is a very common phenomenon in American politics and supported by numerous surveys and studies. Self-styled moderates in the US overwhelmingly slant economically leftist. 'Moderate' is a totally if not extremely misleading lable because it is (purposely) equivocated with 'centrist' which couldn't be more far from the truth.
>>2838966>>2838973This again is what Iโve been saying; they see โleftโ and โrightโ as cultural signifiers separate from economic issues. Literally the path to victory is being socially moderate and economically left.
>>2838974Again socially moderate doesn't really go far enough even. If you look at actual opinion surveys you'll find that a majority, of Americans, sometimes overwhelmingly:
-support gay marriage
-support abortion rights
-are disfavorable of Israel
And most interestingly:
Oppose illegal migration BUT largely and paradoxically favor naturalization and amnesty. So if actually polled on this American unironically are annoyed by illegal immigration because it's being kept illegal, lmao.
>>2838908>Didn't the French have multiple bourgeoise revolutions?1789 = end of absolutism, 1830 = more constitutional monarchy, 1848 = actual republican bourgeois democracy.
>>2838976>So if actually polled on this American unironically are annoyed by illegal immigration because it's being kept illegalThat is a reach to conclude that. It is more accurate to say they want the border closed and actually enforced so that the mass illegal migration doesn't happen again. The amnesty is how to deal with it domestically. So it isn't calling for open borders and that no one is illegal
>>2838975
he means giving lynching victims a chance to run first
>>2838976As soon as immigrants set a foot in the US they get a "fuck you I got mine" view in regards to more immigrants coming and thus are incentivized to defend the status quo.
>>2838975>>2838976It comes down broadly to not wanting to be lectured. Iโd say gay marriage being legal
is the moderate position, but the reality is people donโt want some stern talking to if they get turned off by seeing two dudes kissing. Shit, just the other week I was at the movie theater and some trailer for a gay horror flick called Leviticus came on, there were some jeers and laughing from a couple young guys in the audienceโI donโt think these dudes would beat up a random gay kid or anything, even if theyโll dismiss the premise of a gay horror film on its face.
Itโs where Haz and the MAGAcoms are wrong; they take what amounts to maybe a casual homophobia and extrapolate it into people as a whole being right wing culture warriors who want some conservative project to run the country; people broadly just want to be left alone.
And itโs where MAGA propaganda is effective: they often portray the Left as trying to
impose attitudes on people. There was some AI slop I saw getting passed around by a bunch of Facebook boomers where it was some Muslim girl crying with a sign that said โMAGA cares about their dogs more than us!โ And like a lot of propaganda it can reveal the mindset of its creators more than its target; they have this image where โThe Leftโ in nebulous terms is telling them theyโve been conscripted in some culture struggle, they perceive the Left as demanding they do land acknowledgments or say theyโd date a trans woman or stop eating meat or โcareโ about things they fundamentally
donโt, and hypocritically they believe MAGA isnโt asking them to care about anything or impose any beliefs on them.
Thus in my view the best course of action is to have a left that doesnโt give the impression of imposing an alien set of demands on people. That doesnโt mean tailing bigotry or reaction, but rather flip the script: right wing culture warriors are obsessed with getting you to pull your pants down so they can see whatโs there and liberal culture warriors want you to pretend you like seeing whateverโs down there: you just want people to not go broke going to the doctor or be some rich douchebagโs serf.
>>2838984>assassinationsspectacle brained adventurist
>>2839002anon if you had simply asked me what I thought I would not have said that assassinations are the sole or even the best way to effect political change. I am not a spectacle brained adventurist.
Myles is SO close to just admitting he's a strasserite here, keep pushing him on what he means by "socially moderate" and you might get there.
Of course, I doubt any of you care, he's been an out and proud fascist for years now and you not only accept him, but protect him.
>>2838636Which is why they latch onto this specific ball game and no other? It's funny how you "historical materialists" run interference for FIFA, a LITERAL FASCIST MAFIA so brazen that even Liberals routinely point it out.
What does it say about you that this is what you're defending and supporting?
>>2839013>Of course, I doubt any of you care, he's been an out and proud fascist for years now and you not only accept him, but protect him. filter his posts and post in different threads. tank anon from /iran/ and /ukr/ never gets banned and he's just as much of an anti-fascist anti-amerikkka poster as you are. this is because he has social skills
>>2839013jizzing on putin status?
>>2839016The difference between you and a Communist is that you tolerate fascists, while a Communist destroys them.
This is why you are not and never will be a Communist.
>>2838998How do you respond to somebody who says that "going broke and being a serf to a trillionare is based because if you are against this you are transhumanist" cpusa anon ?
>>2839029Generally ignore them because theyโre mostly a caricature, maybe mock them if theyโre disruptive enough. Like you can just roll your eyes and say that Fox News guy who thinks itโs gay to have soup is stupid.
>>2839029i usually just call them a shabbos goy and that pisses them off enough to shut them up
>>2838975
he's afraid of the pride month.
>>2838510they played against paraguay. paraguay sucks at football. also, who knows if the president of araguay ask them personally to let gringos win.
what's new in the free world?
>>2839039socialism is when Elon pays 2% more taxes according to these retards
>>2839053whats the indication musk was involved
>>2839016>tank anon from /iran/ and /ukr/ never gets banned and he's just as much of an anti-fascistkek tank anon is a rabid anti-communist
>>2839086>>2839090>China releasing competitive models for free>US companies already trying to kneecap each other for monopoly status, which will inevitability raise token pricesWhat could possibly go wrong
>>2838966>>2838974The path to victory is being able to actually define what socialism actually is beyond "the government does stuff". The second biggest problem with the socialist movement, behind a lack of any real organization, is the lack of understanding/consciousness. I would argue we should stop using idpol terms like "centrist/left/right/moderate/radical/etc." at all and entirely focus on concrete, material statements that can be quickly and broadly understood.
>>2838998The problem isn't "lecturing"; it's that liberals emphasize idpol over everything else because they are fundamentally right-wing and don't want to change anything. But having us take a hands off stance isn't the correct pathway either, because then you fall into the old USSR style of "homosexuality is bourgeois" nonsense. And you end up neglecting people who are amenable to our goals while empowering reactionaries who are hostile to it. The goal therefore is to tie in intersectionality while not prioritizing it.
>>2838960>>2838956>>2838974I can bet you right now you have a plan worse than dogshit compared to this โhypothetical leftistโ youโre talking about.
And what the fuck is this?
> Most assuredly in a country of 400 million people the problem is that not a single one of them has managed to read marx and lenin in the right way over the last 70 years. that's totally the issue.Read? Read Marx? They donโt fucking read period. They have no fucking concept of what communism actually is. The fuck are you talking about the right way when they havenโt even picked a way yet.
>>2839113
And how do you know this?
>>2839117
How do you know this?
>>2839117
retard
>>2839122
Whereโd you get this information from?
>>2839122
>both the USSR and PRC were formed by illiterate peasants.
And that's why the former collapsed and both abandoned socialism as a goal early on
>>2839124
Prove it and then show correlation to your claim
>>2839137
Source
Second american civil war alreadyyyy
>>2839138
>richard hanania
why are you citing this grifter who defends epstein like his life depends on it
>>2839084
>vaccines
Fear of pharma companies giving out mystery formulas and if anything goes wrong they are legally protected and there is nothing you can do but suffer.
>having to see brown people
Fear of social outsiders who don't have the same values and might break rules everyone in your community takes for granted.
>women not knowing their place
Fear of capitalist women selfishly taking advantage of older pre-capitalist social roles to benefit themselves exclusively at others expense.
>gender non-conformity
Fear that your kid liking pink means they will be forced to transition by money hungry doctors before they truly understand the concept of gender.
>pedophile conspiracies
Fear that a capitalist elite will take advantage of their wealth, rape your kid and then be legally protected from retaliation.
Liberals really tell on themselves. These fearful stances might be over the top but it isn't as stupid as pretended.
Reactionary troll
>>2839084
>which are genuinely grassroots
doubt
>>2839144
Doesnโt say anything directly related to your claim
>>2839157
I said directly related. There is no mention of heat death, nevertheless in a positive sense.
low thread quality today
>>2839183
>>2839176
>>2839166
Based
>>2839192
get
a
life
>>2839195get
a
death
preferably slow and painful
>>2839079absolutely incorrect
>>2839019you aren't destroying fascists, you're just wasting time being annoying online
>>28391402028-2029 will be the catalyst
>>2839224
Okay piglover
>>2839214
he helped write project 2025 kys
>>2838440Hitler said he was anti war. You would say hitler is to the left of democrat warmonger?
>>2839214
He's just some neocon upset no one but libs trust the "experts."
>>2838440>says he will not take AIPAC money, and says he stands for ending it through any means.his sister is fucking married to an aipac ghoul lol. also none of this matters, he's still a fucking nazi, nazis belong in the grave
>>2839086They say anyone could use it to make drug or bioweapons or make scripts that hack banks etc. Probably true
>>2839254>80 year old aipac candidate with health issues vs nazi tattoo vet with sketchy sexual pastmarxists fault for not providing a viable alternative here, this election was pretty much free for any serious candidate
>>2839257
>falling for the trump meme ever
if you wanna cite a gullible retard as a source then go ahead it just makes you look like one too
>>2839247Would certainly say he was a liberal
>>2839258Weโre not electorialists aka tools to give the state legitimacy
>>2839263
>literal haz tier argument
>>2839267
boo get off the stage
get better jokes
>>2839258>marxists fault for not providing a viable alternative here, this election was pretty much free for any serious candidateyou seriously think the American proles have the consciousness to actually vote socialist? actually, scrap socialism, they wouldn't even vote for a socdem, Bernie and AOC are too far left for these retards.
look at this post if you don't believe me
>>2838922
>80 year old aipac candidate with health issues vs nazi tattoo vet with sketchy sexual pastAmericans live for these types of candidates they're exactly where they want to be. they don't wanna be saved
>>2839269
>it's only a real class system if it's a meritocracy
unironic bourgeois ideology
in reality, America hasn't even had a full bourgeois revolution yet. we got a long fucking way to go guys
>>2839272
i hope you're at least giggling to yourself like a schoolgirl as you type up this nonsense
>>2839262silly anarchist nonsense
>>2839273>meritocracyBOURGEOIS LANGUAGE DETECTED. GHOST OF STALIN, ANNIHILATE THIS MOTHERFUCKER
>>2839277Silly liberal cope
>>2839282
Because not everyone is a dumb hedonist who is willing to let The Man get away with it.
>>2839278
>doesn't know how greentext works
>>2839282
because dealing drugs and gambling are way bigger risks. enjoy getting tortured by the cartel
>>2839280
>yes im a troll
>>2839288mb bro, I replied to the wrong comment, I meant to do it to the original comment that mentioned it unironically. ik how greentext works
>>2839293maybe you could sell drugs to raise money for the revolution. two birds with one stone.
>>2838998>I was at the movie theater and some trailer for a gay horror flick called Leviticus came on, there were some jeers and laughing from a couple young guys in the audienceโI donโt think these dudes would beat up a random gay kid or anythingProbably not. That's a performative social thing within their own group. Like you have a group of straight guys (for the most part, I'm assuming) who are immediately surprised with some gay stuff, it's like WOAH lol and the group feels like they have to vocally reject it like that to each other. Technically they are in a homo-social group (same sex, i.e. all men, like in frats or sports) but not homo-sexual.
>Itโs where Haz and the MAGAcoms are wrong; they take what amounts to maybe a casual homophobia and extrapolate it into people as a whole being right wing culture warriors who want some conservative project to run the country; people broadly just want to be left alone. And itโs where MAGA propaganda is effective: they often portray the Left as trying to impose attitudes on people … Thus in my view the best course of action is to have a left that doesnโt give the impression of imposing an alien set of demands on people. You don't want to disrespect the majority. A lot of gay guys learn this early on, like there might be certain circumstances where it's not appropriate to talk about your sexuality. Actually if you look at attitudes towards gay people in the U.S., it has changed so much for the better compared to even 20 let alone 40 or 50 years ago, but there was a lot of discipline to articulate demands in a language that the majority (who are heterosexual) didn't see as threatening or imposing to them. It's like, men and women get together and form couples and get married and that's beautiful, so why can't gays do that? Also changing some of the cognitive mapping about what homosexuality "is" from sex (which people can find repulsive or at least inappropriate) to "love." And then heterosexuals start to feel kind of bad that gays are treated unfairly, or at least won't resist it, and social attitudes evolve. For a civil rights movement you want to give the majority a reason to retreat in a way that doesn't feel like a loss.
Also more people coming out of the closet. So gays are less seen as either weird pervs or comical figures (at best) to somebody you might know, a family member, etc. I think that had a real effect in terms of change from the quantitative to the qualitative.
>>2839106>The problem isn't "lecturing"; it's that liberals emphasize idpol over everything else because they are fundamentally right-wing and don't want to change anything. But having us take a hands off stance isn't the correct pathway either, because then you fall into the old USSR style of "homosexuality is bourgeois" nonsense. There are real questions which confront social movements like the LGBT movement. Like in terms of demands, strategies, optics. The left lends its support because the left is about anti-oppression and the left supports secularism over religious dogma. But when I see socialists/communists argue about this, it's weird because it was really LGBT people who did all this themselves, they didn't go to some Marxist-Leninist committee and ask for permission. There were communist groups in the 1970s who had a negative attitude towards gays and where are they now? There's Bob Avakian's group. My attitude is like "leave me the fuck alone!" If some Maoist group does think homosexuality is bourgeois, that's fine, but I'm not joining. Maybe it is bourgeois, but who cares if it is? The bourgeois revolution had progressive features. It's a sectarian argument within the hard left that has basically zero relevance to what 90% of people are actually doing in the society they're living in. Really though, like I was saying it's about respect, if you just needlessly disrespect people then you will alienate them.
>>2839293
>hot chicks only date drug dealers
lobotomized opinion from r9k or some shit
>>2839299
>there is virtually no risk to dealing drugs if you cultivate your own network of customers.
that's incorrect but you are welcome to give it a shot and find out the hard way
>>2838976>support gay marriageremember when californians voted to criminalize gay marriage in 2008?
>>2839299
>there is virtually no risk to dealing drugs
monumentally retarded to actually believe this, sure you're most likely not gonna get murdered by cartels though it could happen, but risk of getting put in jail is extremely high. just get a fucking real job bro.
>>2838976>Oppose illegal migration BUT largely and paradoxically favor naturalization and amnesty. So if actually polled on this American unironically are annoyed by illegal immigration because it's being kept illegal, lmao.>>2838979>That is a reach to conclude that. It is more accurate to say they want the border closed and actually enforced so that the mass illegal migration doesn't happen again. The amnesty is how to deal with it domestically. So it isn't calling for open borders and that no one is illegali just wish people realized the root cause of mass migration is imperialism and climate change. you could give trillions to CBP and ICE and it wouldn't end illegal immigration.
>>2839291
Doomers need not speak
>>2839293
You are not fucking Shaggy
>>2839305
>All replaced by AI
i don't see ai at the day care bro. i see workers . i don't see ai at the restaurant. i see workers. i don't see ai at the construction site. i see workers. i don't see ai in the strawberry fields. i see workers. just because you let chadGPT please your gf for you doesn't mean all other jobs are taken by chatgpt
>>2839307
>i dont have to provide proof, i just have to repeat my opinion
retard
>>2839307
>getting a real job won't get you girls tho. i have enough money, thats not the problem.
if you already have money how do you think drug dealing will help you get girls??? you will still be autistic and bad at social interaction.
>>2839305
not mine, yeah it's harder than it used to be but not impossible.
>>2839311
Whatever you say liberal
>>2839314
More than just believing in liberal
>>2839289Stay small time, don't get overly ambitious and pay your debts then chances of torture or murder decreases significantly.
>>2839299There is risk. High chances you will eventually get found out by cops or jumped by petty thugs. If you are lucky you might not have drugs on you when busted by cops or killed by thugs. If you are caught and cops are looking for an informer then your chances of torture and murder go up again.
>>2839310How would you even prove that beyond personal experience? Find drug dealer's girlfriends, rank on a scale of 1-10 and then compare to general population?
>>2839317
if all you want is to pay women to fuck you then why not just buy drugs for women? or just buy hookers? also do you seriously think that the kind of women who will fuck you just for drugs are gonna be attractive, interesting, well put together etc women that you actually will want to sleep with?
>>2839318
it's not pointless if it raised class consciousness. also you might as well just say having a job in the first place is pointless since it might just get outsourced in the future
>>2839318
Okay
>>2839325
who is the class ally of communism?
>>2839329
what does that even mean???
>>2839328
I dunno man, I think you are really overstating how easy this will be, but you sound like an absolute piece of shit so good luck in going through with it, I hope you do get raped to death in jail.
>>2839109Personally a plan I keep coming back to for the practical application of socialist politics is to try to develop what few communal organizations still exist (rec leagues, churches, what unions remain, activist groups) into something that can conceive itself along democratic lines yet
outside the existing structures of formal bourgeois control.
Basically one of the biggest issues to left wing organizing here is that weโre an incredibly atomized country and that the basic geography that benefited European socialism doesnโt really exist here: populations are spread out rather than condensed, within the workplace people often commute from all over rather than reside in the same apartment or neighborhood, service sector work is incredibly hard to unionize and corporations are willing to shut down a profitable store rather than accept unionization.
So I think, dealing with these circumstances, a Communist Party could gain some success from trying to act as the spoke of a huge wheel that can try to connect disparate groups across counties, states, even nations.
I think something that could pair with this is elevating the idea of a revolution to a mainstream discussion. Not this bloody and violent thing that people will treat as a fantasy, but rather a direct attack on the superstructure; get people to ask openly: after everything thatโs happened, after such poor governance, should a new government replace the one we currently have?
Not a new politician, not a new party, a whole new government? Of course I think thereโs more to be gained by presenting it in wholly peaceful terms: the big two parties should be dissolved, the politicians should be designed, and a new constitution should be adoptedโbut I imagine people will claim Iโm arguing for โreformismโ or โtricking the proletariatโ or something.
>>2839340Why dont cpusa support iran government or meet with hamas or houthi then.
>>2839328
>i'm not sure how drug dealers typically deal with armed robberies
Gun to defend yourself and avoid places with higher chances of being jumped. And don't let people know where you sleep or keep your stash, obviously.
Can also get a small crew to make things more secure. But the bigger you get the more lose ends and the more you encroach on various gangs territory. Stupid move if all you want is some girls. Drug dealing just for girls is also pretty stupid tho. Most dealers are into drug themselves.
>>2839332
sound made up. is some news story confirming her suicide?
>>2839384figured It out :D
>>2838479The Bogdanoffs have successfully reincarnated.
>>2839394they never died, they just went back to their celestial emplacements to await the next cycle
rothschilds bow to them
>>2839394>>2839395As has been foretold in the prophecies.
>>2839403oh please. Detroit's been like that for years now. they can get away with it because its mostly poor blacks. lower class citizens are not seen as a powerful civic force. only when the comfortable middle class suburbanites get squeezed out of that life of luxury can we start to see mass sympathy for our ideals. but with the way the economy's going, I have a feeling that might be soon
>>2839405That channel shows proletarian poverty all over the country and not just in Detroit. You're right it's mostly POC neighborhoods though.
>>2838510Literal Pay2Win
Trump bought the World Cup along with his fucking stupid "FIFA peace prize"
>>2839411I'm an immigrant who came to the US, and yeah I feel the same way sometimes. imperialism is a bitch huh
>>2839411>>2839412Detroit was way nicer like 70 years ago. That's the house look so nice. They were built before the city started falling apart. A lot of the city was just torn down anyways.
>>2839411Detached housing is disgusting TBH
>>2839414 it was once the hub of America's car manufacturing industry. in reality, poverty like that exists all over America, in places like Appalachia, Mississippi Delta, and the black south. but the only reason Detroit's story gets brought up so often is because it wasnt always like this. it was once a "pure Aryan white urban/suburban middle class area", and ameritards who saw something like that fall into the hands of satanic poverty were devasted at this deterioration. the areas and populations of permanently/generationally poor (like the ones I listed, whether they be white or black) are never put into the light like this because they have always been that way, and ameritards think poverty is willfull sin so "those guys deserve it"
>>2839424americans think this
russians think that
japanese think this
chinese think that
millions think the same because of what coordinates they were born at
i know this because i have psychic powers
>>2839444its almost as if, people of certain countries share popular cultures and ways/outlooks of life???
>>2839456ok you are taking this too far. if you see in my post that I acknowledge the existing difference of social classes, and how the permanent underclass doesn't have a voice. obviously not every single american is identical u retard, read human tone for once. I just meant that the middle and upper middle class that holds a monopoly over the little cultural and social power that exist outside of the elites are generally, as a bloc, not receptive to the struggle of the lower masses
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Aussies just got revenge for the ANZAC cove
>>2838966Do the people in this survey actually know what socialism (a stateless classless affair where workers own the means of production) is or do they see it as just "government doing stuff in the economy"?
I ask this because in our American education system Socialism and Marxism is thrown to the side margins and painted as "when the government like, regulates the economy, but like a lot." We're not even gonna have a chance of DOTP if people just see socialism as government intervention and not the overthrowing of a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
>>2839491> I won't lie, if you asked a good 60% of the people who identify of socialists right now and asked something like "do you want workers to own the means of production" they're gonna look at you like you grew a second head. For too many people, socialism is just equivalent to moderate social democracy.And for the record I wouldn't blame those people for thinking this way - why on Earth would the capitalist system offer a correct definition to the movement seeking to abolish the status quo? It's just upsetting to see it get flandarized so much with little push back.
>>2839340And of course, in Myles diseased mind, the bourgeoisie will just LET the Communist party democratically dissolve their power, and will do absolutely nothing to prevent this.
This is the level of discourse I expect from a man who doesn't even have the guts to admit that he's a fascist.
>>2839401Do you do anything except sit on Myles shoulder and laugh at his jokes, you little disgusting fucking toadie? I unironically hope you die in a fire.
>>2839401>>2838481Can we stop pretending that these two are not unironic fascists? Look at their praise for the empire and nationalistic spiel this thread
>>2839527Myles has been an out and proud fascist for a while now, it just doesn't have the guts to admit it. Like every other fascist, it is a coward first and foremost.
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>>2839546As an oldfag I have seen you repeatedly try to rehabilitate แดuแดlossnW, Mosley, Hitler, and many other fascist creatures. You are fascist and CPUSA glows.
>>28395813rd worldist spotted. THE CPUSA IS CIA LOLLL. meds. now.
>>2839527>>2839530Nationalism is a part of the ML program and always has been. If you don't like it then you should address that topic directly. Just calling MLs fascist will get you nowhere.
>>2839546Should we still read Mosley and Sorrel?
>>2839497Marx spent 95% of his time criticizing other socialists, I guess it makes sense that Marxists today would have to do the same
>>2839527Gaynazianon and CPUSA anon are some of the worst chauvinists on this board, along with fence sitters like Sabo. I'm always shocked by how far they're willing to go with it. Unbelievable that there was a whole thing in the middle of this thread of them all jerking each other off, handwringing and whining about people with maximalist positions against the US empire. One guy even admitting his murderous ideation towards those people. All because they wont shill nazi socdem mass murderers and their divine democrat party and actually consider these fascistic politics to be a bad thing. Absolute scum tbh
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/major-resolutions-passed-by-afl-cio-reflect-strong-growing-labor-movement/>The resolution on shipbuilding, for example, submitted by the Machinists (IAM) and backed by the Steelworkers (USW), which aims to revitalize the nationโs struggling shipbuilding industry was problematic in some ways and did not contribute much to international working-class solidarity. Rebuilding the nationโs shipbuilding industry itself is not the problem, of course. No one can reasonably disagree with laborโs determination to see that happen. And it is clear that the workers who build and repair vessels in U.S. yards need good-paying union jobs with cargo moved on U.S. flagships rather than on foreign-flagged ships that allow lower pay and poorer working conditions.>"The monopoly profits of the capitalists in one of the numerous branches of industry, in one of the numerous countries, etc., make it economically possible for them to bribe certain sections of the workers, and for a time a fairly considerable minority of them, and win them to the side of the bourgeoisie of a given industry or given nation against all the others."Lenin, Imperialism, Chapter VIIICpusa urges cooperation with monopoly capital to crush third world shipping.
>>2839687trvth tsar bomba
>>2839695 >Rebuilding the nationโs shipbuilding industry itself is not the problem, of course. No one can reasonably disagree with laborโs determination to see that happen. Wrong. This one is simple. The world doesnt need more fleets of yank ships plundering and and bombing people. Cpusa want to collude with monopoly capital to steal third world jobs. Yank shipbuilding make warship. Communist China will always produce commercial shipping vessel 10x higher quality, 10x faster, and at 10x more cost efficient than yank.
>>2839486>socialism (a stateless classless affairyou don't know what socialism is either lol
>>2839687What am I on the fence about?
>>2839712sounds like you're a social democrat
>>2839713Don't pretend you don't know Sabo, you're always trying to be the enlightened centrist regarding any of the fractional issues discussed on this board, namely the american chauvinism displayed by many here. Just the other day you were giving me a whole handwringing lesson because of some tweet calling anticampists enemies, even trying to pretend Lenin would've shaken his head at that lmfao. Plus, worse than that, you're apparently ex military yourself
>>2839721>you're always trying to be the enlightened centrist regarding any of the fractional issues discussed on this boardI honestly don't know anymore man. I'll go hard for the IRGC and Hezbollah in the Iran thread only to come back here and be called a supporter of US imperialism. I'll unequivocally denounce the Democratic party and say we shouldn't have anything to do with them only to be told I'm shilling for the DNC a few days later. I'll make a long post explaining why multipolarity is a prerequisite for socialism and then get told I'm a treatler who only cares about the golden billion and hates the third world. At this point I'm pretty convinced that my detractors just invent positions for me to hold and attack those. Nobody ever seems to respond to what I actually say.
>Just the other day you were giving me a whole handwringing lesson because of some tweet calling anticampists enemiesThat's a good example actually. I literally agree with you on every aspect of the actual issue of "campism". But because I believe in engaging with people and trying to change their minds I'm "one of the worst chauvinists on the board". My views there were also informed by my actual organizing experience, since I had encountered plenty of people who considered themselves anti-campists but were committed and active revolutionary defeatists against my NATO government. I don't think these people should be considered enemies.
>Plus, worse than that, you're apparently ex military yourselfLmao I was a reservist for a couple years in the Canadian army, because I believe that communists should have military training and conduct agitation in the ranks (as per Comintern directives). I didn't deploy or leave my home province.
>>2839721>you were giving me a whole handwringing lesson because of some tweet calling anticampists enemies, even trying to pretend Lenin would've shaken his head at thatsabo is correct here, cry more
>>2839721This guy is ex-miliatry? Wow, now a lof of stuff makes sense. Guy swore and oath to the queen of England so not surprising why they constantly defend British imperialism.
>>2839739When have I ever defended British imperialism?
>>2839741You directly supported the British military occupation of the Falklands islands and made ambigious comments on the British occupation of Cyprus.
>>2839742No I didn't. I said the outcome of a war between the CIA junta in Argentina and an imperialist government in Britain is irrelevant for communists, while also saying that British workers should have practiced revolutionary defeatism because it was a reactionary war waged for reactionary ends. You people just hear what you want to hear.
>>2839742IIRC you also made disparaging comments directed at explicitly anti-British radical leftist movements like the French Canadian souverainists. So you were openly supporting British imperialism on three seperate continents.
What's you stance on the Irish nationalist movement? Just curious.
>>2839745>I said the outcome of a war between the CIA junta in Argentina and an imperialist government in Britain is irrelevant for communistsDo you think this also applies to British colonies in Africa and their independence movements that sometimes were also tacitly supported by the US?
>>2839746>anti-British radical leftist movements like the French Canadian souverainistsOh yeah ill own that one. Quebec separatism is retarded and at least since the 60s has been motivated by petty non-grievances, and is also riddled with anti-Indigenous and anti-immigrant racism. Today the politics of the movement is closer to France's National Rally than anything left wing. Though I wouldn't characterize that as support for British imperialism because Canada is an imperialist country in its own right, and I'd simply like to see its whole bourgeois-imperialist system replaced and for it to come into the socialist epoch as a single country.
>>2839747No, because in those cases you're talking about actual colonial rule over human beings in those countries, the destruction of which is a prerequisite for socialism and their liberation. In the case of the Malvinas its a question of whether British imperialists or a CIA puppet would occupy some barren rocks. It's hardly the same thing.
>>2839730>I honestly don't know anymore manIt's because at the end you're always trying to take some "nuanced" position, making those statements seem wishywashy and insincere. Which is why I call you a fence sitter. Even itt CPUSAnon is chumming it up with you about removing the "virtue signaler" types (read anti-platnerists/non dickriders) from the movement like some fucking Freikorps agent lmfao
>That's a good example actually. I literally agree with you on every aspect of the actual issue of "campism"No you don't. Even here you immediately start handwringing again about terming these people enemies. Like it's some grave offence to call social democrats/american chauvinists that. When Lenin called Kautskyists rubes, renegades and retards did that mean he didn't "believe in engaging with people and trying to change their minds"? Of course not. Yet that is the argument you are presenting.
>Lmao I was a reservist for a couple years in the Canadian army, because I believe that communists should have military training and conduct agitation in the ranks (as per Comintern directives). I didn't deploy or leave my home province.Are you seriously trying to convince us you joined the imperialist canadian military for communist reasons? Get real dude. It literally does not matter you only served your imperialist army from home, just that you served it
>>2839734cope more
>>2839739It does yeah, lotta self-justifying and rationalizing going on there
>>2839754Why should British settlers get to vote when they operated a literal aparheid state for almost a century?
Who bake?
>>2839755because they lived there for hundreds of years. yes it was colonialism but we might as well say all europeans need to leave the USA then.
>>2839757No one said they should leave though? I only said they shouldn't have a say. Weirdly revealing leap right there.
all anglo-saxons must be returned to germany
>2839753
I'm glad nobody on this board actually organizes because the average poster here would wreck any party meeting with autistic rants and threats every time someone is mean to Iran or doesn't share their social background
>>2839761We're not in a party meeting, we're on an anonymous imageboard
>>2839752Up the ra.
>>2839753>It's because at the end you're always trying to take some "nuanced" positionIdk what you want man. Shit is complicated sometimes, and we should be aware of the complications, but that's not the same thing as not taking a strong position. I can express concern about the terror bombing of German civilians in Dresden, while at the same time firmly and resolutely wanting the Nazis to be defeated. You're mistaking thorough analysis for fence sitting.
>No you don'tI don't? I hold a firmly pro-BRICS position. I'm vocal about my support for Russia to win in Ukraine, Palestine and Iran to win in the Middle East, and China to win everywhere. I believe multipolarity is a prerequisite for socialism and that BRICS countries are carrying out the most progressive developments in world history since the end of the Cold War. How do your positions differ?
>Even here you immediately start handwringing again about terming these people enemies. Like it's some grave offence to call social democrats/american chauvinists that. That's because I don't consider somebody to be a chauvinist or a social democrat just because they aren't pro Russia in Ukraine or whatever. Our movement needs points of unity, not points of division, and I've personally met and organized with people who would be considered "anti-campists" but are actively opposed to Western imperialism on all fronts. I don't consider them enemies because they refuse to offer meaningless rhetorical support to foreign governments.
>When Lenin called Kautskyists rubes, renegades and retards did that mean he didn't "believe in engaging with people and trying to change their minds"?Yes, because he also published extensive writings showing why they were wrong, with the obvious intention that workers and party members read them and adopt the Bolshevik view. He wasn't just shitposting and hurling insults and random people he was speaking to directly.
>Are you seriously trying to convince us you joined the imperialist canadian military for communist reasons? Yes, doing so was literally mandatory to be part of the Comintern, and I reasoned that these tactics were still applicable. I was chewed out for agitating against Canada's involvement in Ukraine (though this was before the SMO). My main regret is that I tried this by myself instead of gathering a few comrades to go with me.
>It literally does not matter you only served your imperialist army from home, just that you served itIn a material sense I didn't serve them at all. I collected my pay and then left shortly after my training was done. I was a net drain on their resources.
Why do so-called Western-style leftists, especially those living in the imperial core, who profess anti-colonialism and anti-militarism always spazz out immediately when just being lightly challenged? Like you people like pretend to oppose war, yet always support the current one (and in many case you yourself joined them personally to murder brown people). You people love to oppose (past) colonialism yet you always twist yourself into pretzels coming up with justifications and apologia for actual, currently existing colonialism, no not even semi- or neo-colonialism, actually existing present-day colonialism.
This is seriously a baffling phenomenon.
>>2839753son you type like a liberal
>>2839768
Whatever you do don't google what they said about Dresden in the GDR and USSR after the war.
>>2839764Nobody here justifies colonialism or war, they disagree with you about the way to get rid of it, namely about screeching at veterans and supporting random thirdie governments as a way to do so
>>2839776
>You on the other hand are a neo-nazi crying about the deaths of your comrades while thinking nothing of the innocents you raped and tortured for pay because to you anyone outside the imperial core is a subhuman.
Actually that's what you are. You're a COINTELPRO wrecker sent here to say insane shit so that communists never get their shit together or appeal to anyone. You are an active agent of the ruling class and US imperialism. Your rhetoric and actions mimic FBI wrecking tactics perfectly. You are Epstein.
Bread full. Whoms't bake bread?
>>2839779Do you think the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were tragedies or required to end the war?
>>2839785Hard to say since the USSR's entry into the war was also a major factor in the Japanese surrender. Ultimately I don't think the nukes were a game changer since the US had already demonstrated the capability to completely destroy Japanese cities through conventional bombing. I certainly don't buy the "humanitarian" justifications given by the Americans. Their main motivation was to test the weapons and intimidate the Soviets.
>>2839787
It's really cute that you consider yourself a communist when all you do is COINTELPRO wrecking.
>>2839792
Don't worry Anon, socialism will appear any day if you just greet everything and everybody around you with enough hatred.
>>2839763>You're mistaking thorough analysis for fence sittingI actually appreciated your nuance to an extent at first sabo, but after a certain while you kind of start to see the way the arch curves. Your nuance is dangerously close to liberal "objectivity" fetishism you'd find in places like r/politics or whatever and many times it is just that.
>I don't?No, or you wouldn't be pearlclutching like you are
>That's because I don't consider somebody to be a chauvinist or a social democrat just because they aren't pro Russia in Ukraine or whatever. Our movement needs points of unity, not points of division, and I've personally met and organized with people who would be considered "anti-campists" but are actively opposed to Western imperialism on all fronts. I don't consider them enemies because they refuse to offer meaningless rhetorical support to foreign governments.I don't care about people "supporting" or not "supporting" this or that government. What concerns me is people who objectively support one camp while pretending there are no camps, ie "anti"campists. It is totally fine to call such persons, collectively, the enemy. That you happen to know some people who are bleeding hearts for Ukraine, doesn't change that or make those people explicit anticampists. Though I find it hard to fathom how one would be "actively opposed to western imperialism on all fronts", while explaining apparent support for western imperialist victory in the current NATO proxy war.
>Yes, because he also published extensive writings showing why they were wrong, with the obvious intention that workers and party members read them and adopt the Bolshevik view. He wasn't just shitposting and hurling insults and random people he was speaking to directly.So if you are also publishing extensive writing it's ok to call them enemies or whatever else, but when you're shitposting it is not? Why? If you're a prolific writer you just get to, as a little treat?
>Yes, doing so was literally mandatory to be part of the CominternYeah as part of an organized labor organization/party, with explicit goals of subterfuge, infiltration, agitation and wrecking and shit. Not on your own to just to do whatever dumb ass
>In a material sense I didn't serve them at all. I collected my pay and then left shortly after my training was done. I was a net drain on their resourcesSure
>>2839767Like I gaf, cope more boy
>>2839527the only thing lamer and gayer than caring about sports is caring about people who care about sports. sybau
>>2839797>Though I find it hard to fathom how one would be "actively opposed to western imperialism on all fronts", while explaining apparent support for western imperialist victory in the current NATO proxy warEasy, if somebody asks them whether they support the Russian invasion they say no. If they are asked whether they support NATO expansion, membership in NATO, or arming the Ukrainian government they also say no. More importantly, they actively agitate against such things. You can say that there are some people who claim to not have a camp while choosing one in reality, and such people definitely exist. However there are others who claim to not have a camp and actually don't, and are still capable of discharging their duties as internationalists under this framework.
>So if you are also publishing extensive writing it's ok to call them enemies or whatever else, but when you're shitposting it is not?If you are publishing writing for a general audience it's fine to speak in general terms. I would have no problem saying that "liberals are our enemies." However I think it's different when having a specific discussion with another individual. I would call liberals in general our enemies, but if I'm discussing these issues with a self-identified liberal I'm going to try to actually change their mind, not just screech at them.
>Yeah as part of an organized labor organization/party, with explicit goals of subterfuge, infiltration, agitation and wrecking and shit. Yeah well, hence why I said I should've done it with a group and a plan.
>>2839802>IDFthose are conscripts which by ultra logic are 100x more revolutionary than volunteers. thats why they think boomer vietnam vets are the revolutionary subject in america today
Not beating the Schizo Maximalist allegations
>>2839803>You can say that there are some people who claim to not have a camp while choosing one in reality, and such people definitely exist.Ok, that's who we're talking about
>However there are others who claim to not have a camp and actually don't, and are still capable of discharging their duties as internationalists under this frameworkOk, that's not who we're talking about. If they are actually committed internationalists, they defacto cannot be "anti"campists
>If you are publishing writing for a general audience it's fine to speak in general terms. I would have no problem saying that "liberals are our enemies." However I think it's different when having a specific discussion with another individual. I would call liberals in general our enemies, but if I'm discussing these issues with a self-identified liberal I'm going to try to actually change their mind, not just screech at them.Ok but we are posting to a general audience, discussing things in general. So why this made up story about some imagined specific one to one conversation?
>Yeah well, hence why I said I should've done it with a group and a plan.Yeah so don't pretend you were doing it for communist reasons when you were just being a dumbass individualist, probably looking for some excitement/easy money
>>2839812>If they are actually committed internationalists, they defacto cannot be "anti"campistsThen it's just a semantic debate. What you're angry at isn't people who refuse to take a side, but people who take the wrong side.
>So why this made up story about some imagined specific one to one conversation?Aren't we having a one to one conversation right now?
>Yeah so don't pretend you were doing it for communist reasons when you were just being a dumbass individualist, probably looking for some excitement/easy moneyIt wasn't exciting and the pay was shit lmao. It was pretty miserable tbh. I was definitely mired in individualist thinking, but more along the lines of thinking that communists should have military training.
All the posters attacking sabo, gaynazi and cpusanon are probably iron felix hiding behind a vpn tbh
>>2839817>Then it's just a semantic debateObviously, the whole thing started with your handwringing about terminology. That some rando leftists under specific circumstance might potentially be seen as anticampists, while actually being allies to the movements and thus might be exemptions from the generalization of the classifications.
>Aren't we having a one to one conversation right now?No we are discussing in a public forum
>It wasn't exciting and the pay was shit lmaoThen You failed in your real goals as well as your cope goals. Sad tbh
>>2839819it's called zerzetzung, mom
>>2839819Uphold Felixism-Chagosian Thought
>>2839820>Obviously, the whole thing started with your handwringing about terminology.It was more about the way people here refuse to engage each other in good faith and seeth about minute real or imagined differences.
>No we are discussing in a public forumYes but we're also talking to each other as individuals.
>Then You failed in your real goals as well as your cope goals. I succeeded in my main goal, which was to gain military experience as a communist. I had also hoped to do some agitation and subversion, and of course I failed at that, but whatever. I think it's still better than the people here to take schizo maximalist positions but don't know what getting shot at sounds like.
>>2839832>I succeeded in my main goal, which was to gain military experience as a communistI'll tell you it's not a good look to be an unrepentant veteran of an imperialist military, this "just trying to pick up experience" seems like a handwave
>I think it's still better than the people here to take schizo maximalist positions but don't know what getting shot at sounds like.Joining an imperialist military, without explicit endorsement and plan from a party telling you to do so, is much much worse than shitposting online. The gall to make this claim and pretend my labeling you as a chauvinist was uncalled for
>>2839842What should I be repenting for exactly? I trained, collected my meagre pay, and then left with valuable experience.
>Joining an imperialist military, without explicit endorsement and plan from a party telling you to do so, is much much worse than shitposting online. No, I'd say that urging maximalist violence while actively discouraging people from learning how to fight is pretty bad. Its just as retarded as bragging about how many Nazis you'll beat up and then saying exercise is fascist. It's peak LARPing and wrecking. Utterly self-destructive behaviour that can only exist among unserious people.
>>2839788You willingly support an actual, open fascist mafia which literally worked slaves to death and entombed them in the stadium concrete to create the nationalist spectacle you love.
You are complicit in their crimes, all because you refuse to turn off an explicitly nationalist ball game. You would rather see kafala workers die by the thousand than your precious nationalism going on anything unabated.
You have more in common, psychologically, with the Third Reich than anyone who (entirely correctly) calls you out. Your flag is well placed, because it basically represents you.
I hold you in even higher contempt than Myles, by the way, because he at least has the courage to stand on his own.
To put it in terms that you and Myles can understand, using one of your precious pop "culture" references, you are Salacious Crumb, sitting on the shoulder of a Hutt warlord, laughing at all his jokes.
>>2839853You're every bit the LARPer than your detractors are because you refuse to DO anything with your military training.
>>2839853>What should I be repenting for exactly?Being part of and actively engaged in an imperialist military for individualist aspirations and adventurist nonsense. Nobody'd care if you just admitted you were an idiot for joining such a reactionary organization and now you've changed your mind. But instead you are still advocating for it and justifying it, claiming you've gotten some experience that'll be useful for the communist cause. And you're accusing others of larping lmfao.
>>2839819You see my shadow everywhere you go because you are too much of a coward to admit that you are not a Communist, never will be a Communist and are actively opposed to Communism.
You will ban everyone who espouses actual Communist views from this website to protect an out and proud fascist and his annoying friends, and in so doing destroy this website as anything but Myles personal echo chamber.
Look at how absolutely none of these "historical materialists" will even try to reckon with the fact (and it is a fact, far beyond even their dispute) that FIFA is a fascist mafia, by the way.
They know it, they support it, and they are perfectly happy with it. They will continue to watch their explicitly nationalist slop orchestrated by out and proud fascists and stand shoulder to shoulder with the neo-nazi thugs who murder Roma with sledgehammers. The only difference between Myles and the Azov battalion is personal courage.
Is it actually possible for someone from LA or South Cali to related at all with someone from Bumfucksville (Population: 300) in Missouri/Mississippi/West Virginia? Or vice versa?
How do you build solidarity and a form of class consciousness that unites people in such vastly socioeconomic circumstances and facing such different challenges?
>>2839873You were already BTFO on this shit in the last thread, quit embarrassing yourself. Football is the most popular sport in China among the youth and the second most popular sport in both Cuba and the DPRK
>>2839875you don't. you organize primarily the urban centers with a developed industrial working class, in the case of the bolsheviks that was mainly st petersburg and moscow and a couple other big cities. and then you violently subjugate everywhere else. in the USA though there is no such thing so you're shit out of luck.
>>2839878Okay but as a counterpoint consider Mao started with the rural peasantry and then encircled the cities
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>>2839882>>2839794Don't know why Sabo is even being compared to Gaynazi and CPUSAnon. Sabo's takes are reasonable meanwhile the other two are on the verge of fully heiling
>>2839876Not only are you wrong (which is not a surprise, given as your "source" was Fedipedia) and basketball is the most popular sport in China, but your point is malformed in the first place. China is a brutal capitalist state which forces workers into inhuman conditions to support the lavish lifestyles of a handful of apparatchiks.
The biggest question is, why are you defending FIFA?
Even liberals attack FIFA openly, and yet here you are, carrying water for literal, actual, totally unironic card carrying fascists. You are attacking actual Communists to defend fascists. You are a willing militant for fascism.
What does this say about you?
>>2839884sorry unless you hate everyone here and only come here to wreck you're not a real communist
>>2839887Even discounting China again Cuba and the DPRK both have football prominently featured. I'm not defending FIFA, just pushing back against the absurd allegation that football is inherently fascist and that only westerners care about it when it's clearly not the case
>>2839884Because he was engaging with them in the same rhetoric and they are chummy with him.
>>2839912maybe if we post hard enough about them and give them even more attention they'll go away and finally real communists will run this website and we can finally discuss our real plans without the eyes of saboteurs upon us… oh wait that's fucking stupid
>>2839916Lol yeah that's why nobody is saying it except you retard
>>2839380holly trackers batman.
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