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>>2837501 Theres troop movements around DC rn
Reminder: FIFA is literally an open fascist mafia and anyone who defends it is a fascist. Even liberals openly and routinely attack FIFA, yet we are told here that we must defend it's nationalist spectacle out of some misplaced sense of internationalism with global soKKKer fans.
Any actual socialist would oppose the world cup, FIFA and international soKKKer as it currently exists. The reason why you all love it is because you are not socialists, never will be, and are actively and militantly opposed to the advancement of any socialist ideology.
>>2839890If all of us are supposedly militant anti-communists and we run this website as a militant anti-communist space, why are you posting here?
Given the choice, I do in fact prefer people overseas getting killed to getting killed myself
>>2839891The fact that Trump was elected twice in landslide elections, only punctuated by the regime of DNCPUSA's handpicked Strasserite candidate and GWOT architect Joseph "Genocide Joe" Robinette Biden Jr is a pretty damning indictment of the American people, but you will continue to ignore this and pretend that the average American is secretly a Bolshevik waiting for you to come around and "liberate" them by handing them a leaflet.
>>2839903>landslide electionsHe lost the popular vote twice, won it once on a razor thin margin and won the electoral college by one or two states in both elections he won. The US also isnโt a bourgeois democracy. Itโs an oligarchic republic like Genoa or Venice.
>>2839903Okay what's your plan to kill 99.9% of the American people and establish a functional socialist government in its aftermath?
Curious how he always goes real quite when asked to elaborate on any parts of his plan, we're just supposed to take it in good faith that he and his half dozen buddies can take on 340 million militant reactionaries and win
>>2839913Two thirds of Americans are morbidly obese, meaning theyโll be too slow and waddle toward their guns and fail to defend themselves
>>2839913>the troll isn't sincerewow
>>2839905America must be destroyed in order for human civilization to continue. The existence of the United States government is an existential threat to all of humanity. The fact that you put the lives of 340 million people above the lives of 8 billion is proof that you are not a serious Communist and will never be anything but a right wing nationalist in red clothes.
Of course, you "leftists" can't even make a coherent critique of a literal fascist mafia and their for-profit nationalist spectacle, so that is a given.
>>2839903just because he said it was a landslide 10000000x and hypnotized you doesn't make it true, demoncraps being evil imperialists bastards notwithstanding
>>2839918All human life is equal and must be considered such for communism to even be a poss :^)
>>2839921Any militia can capture a nuclear missile silo and use it to hold the American government hostage
>>2839918Okay that's a nice polemic but you still haven't explained how you're going to kill 340 million people with only at most a dozen comrades
>>2839932he's going to find his 12 apostles and shed his blood to save the world. not religion btw.
>>2839929These would be PLA trained third world warriors disguised as illegal migrants going to do farm work in Montana or Colorado or anywhere the nuclear missile silos actually are
>>2839934we need a communist tom clancy to write these novels
>>2839939the proletariat was quite merciful on the bourgeois man giving the speech. it seems they considered him a brother after all.
>>2839932It's not about killing every American, you fucking dolt, it's about destroying the US government.
>>2839943He was a brother despite being bourgeois, the bourgeoisie as a whole, the vast vast majority of them, are not brothers of the proletarians
>>2839944That canโt happen when 95-98% are active collaborators and beneficiaries of the current system, get spotted at all and youโre toast, theyโll rally around the flag when your campaign starts with the bombing of the world cup
>>2839944>retreating to the motte this is why people find you confusing. you start off strong with
"America must be destroyed"
"the vast majority of people are willing and gleeful collaborators."
then you retreat to
"oh no i don't mean the people, just the government"
like pick a line and stick with it
>>2839945there will come a time when the bourgeoisie as a whole will start talking like engels to save themselves
>>2839947When did I say bomb the world cup? While soKKKer is a fascist sport and FIFA is an openly fascist mafia, bombing the world cup would not be an appropriate strategy. The fact that you can only think to defend what is a literal, actual, open fascist mafia is pretty telling to your mindset though. You blanch at even the THOUGHT of someone criticizing your precious French International Fascist Association and compare such critique to suicide bombing.
>>2839951That is when we will inspect their post history on leftypol.org
>>2839952If theyโre fascist then why isnโt suicide bombing them appropriate?
>Trump will soon announce that he is "giving something" to the Iranians in exchange for them not responding to the Israeli attack in Beirut, according to Israeli assessments -N12
Pathetic
>>2839952Okay but anything less than bombing the world cup would be to you equivalent of joining the Nazi party so we're just taking it to its logical conclusion. And again you still haven't elaborated on how you're going to kill the "willing and eager collaborators" who make up 99.9% of the American population with just yourself and your cadre of twelve extremely angry bois, constantly dodging the question or retreating to the motte as
>>2839949 shows. It's almost as though you're not actually a communist nor serious about revolution but rather just want to antagonize people on a dying website all day because it's the only way you feel power in your life
felix is right. futbol, the sport of the global proletariat, is fascist.
american handegg is clearly the true communist sport.
celsius? fascist. sounds italian. like แดuแดlossnW
FAHRENHEIT. that's a strong german word. like marx.
>>2839954Suicide bombing is never an appropriate strategy for anyone except you. You should be encouraged to suicide bombing anything. The point for you is not the bombing, but the suicide.
>>2839956No, you just put words in my mouth because you know you have no arguments and have been reflexively defending a fascist mafia so brutal and insane that even Liberals correctly critique them constantly, but you will not.
>>2839962>posts three pictures trying to own me
>one of them is of a fascist theocracy that murders Communists on sight>one of them is of a degenerated monarchy in red clothes>the other is of the 6 Cubans who care about soKKKerHMM YES ARE THESE PEOPLE FASCISTS MR FELIX YOU HAVE BEEN OWNED LMAO.
You're not a serious person. I'm not sure if you're even a person to begin with, given as you are reflexively defending a literal, open fascist mafia.
>>2839964iron felix more like gridiron felix
>>2839962>that dude with the american flag shirt right in the middlelol how did that happen
>>2839970So you think Americans should sacrifice 99% of their population but you wonโt even accept one of your comrades martyring themselves in combat? Youโre insane
>>2839949(he's selectively ignoring this one lol)
>>2839964lmao handegg what an epic burn good sire you are truly le epic comedian. i bet you found that joke on reddit. i am sure none of the uygh….HANDEGG PLAYERS will ever recover from your takedown of their sport.
>>2839975>felix has devolved to defending handegg from futbol in the name of anti-americanismcontrarianism is a hell of a drug
>>2839976Football is a real sport, soKKKer is an elaborate ritual for neo-nazis to get drunk and attack minority youth. Have you ever considered WHY soKKKer "fans" are always neo-nazis? It doesn't matter what country they're from, they all share the same ideology with you, the Azov Battalion (who was recruited from soKKKer "ultras" that used to murder Roma with sledgehammers for fun) and Adolf Hitler.
>>2839977The NFL is a plantation that uses F35s to intimidate the whole world before every game, itโs like saying the Confederacy is a lesser evil than Nazi Germany
>>2839970>one of them is of a degenerated monarchy in red clothesThis is the person calling you a chauvinist lmao.
>>2839970>Calling the proud islamic republic of Iran a fascist theocracyIndistinguishable from benjamin netanyahu
>Calling the proud socialist nation of the DPRK, the only non muslim state to have never recognized israel, a degenerated monarchyIndistinguishable from benjamin netanyahu
>Coping about 6 cubans You can do better than that. Why not call cuba some kind of shithole as well?
>You're not a serious person. I'm not sure if you're even a person to begin with, given as you are reflexively defending a literal, open fascist mafiaFifa is a fascist mafia, you won't hear me defend it. But football is a proletarian sport, you'd know this if you weren't an amerikkkan yanqui, the most fascistic nationality on earth
I think the capitalist class is giving right-wing concessions to garner support for a massive war in the future.
The big declines in immigration, the deportations, allowing "free speech" in social media, allowing all kinds of fascist rioting.
Even in culture, more "anti-woke" games are being made, more anti-woke movies, popstars and athletes being more open about their pro-status-quo centrism or chuddiness.
This is all being done because the majority of potential soldiers in Western nations (white males) would probably unironically do a proletarian defeatism in any future war because they are so alienated by capitalism and woke liberalism. So the capitalist class is giving them gibs to rope them back into supporting the nation-state.
>>2839970>No, you just put words in my mouthThe supreme irony of you of all people complaining about this when this is your entire argument strategy other than the motte and bailey, you make wild accusations and assume any pushback is some kind of affirmation of the accusation because your arguments cant stand on their own points so you have to resort to name calling because you have no answer to the question of how you and your six to twelve comrades are going to singelhandedly take on 340 million hardened violent reactionaries.
>b-but I only want to destroy the government!Okay, but then by your own admission the vast majority of Americans are willing and gleeful collaborators basically because they love being evil. That goes for anyone who watches sports you dont like, anyone who references pop culture, anyone who's religious, anyone who's part of the wrong communist sect, and of course anybody who's ever said anything that could be construed as defending one of the above. Your sweeping definitions of who's a reactionary would at minimum see a good 95% of the American population culled, yet you somehow expect us to believe that not only is this possible but that you'll establish a functional socialist republic in the aftermath
>>2839984I think youโre right but at the same time thereโs a hard limit to how far pandering will get you especially when every metric of life gets worse every year
>>2839984>Even in culture, more "anti-woke" games are being made, more anti-woke movies, popstars and athletes being more open about their pro-status-quo centrism or chuddiness.I have not seen this at all lol
>>2839979And soKKKer is run by an open fascist mafia who's fanbase is so violently fascistic that they routinely attack their own players for being the wrong color and start racist riots after every game. You not only refuse to critique this, you DEFEND it. You defend Azov, the FC Metalist Kharkov fans who used to film themselves murdering Romani with sledgehammers after every match.
What does that say about you?
>>2839980So are you actually going to do anything with your military training or did you just learn how to waterboard Afghan infants for your own amusement?
>>2839990Maybe if we're really lucky he'll use his military training to kill you and we'll be rid of your odious presence
>>2839990Personally I think all professional sports are a cancer, thereโs a really good Gaddafi essay about it, if there are to be sports at all, it should be casual and for the participation of the entire public, not professionals
personally I think being against obscenely popular things that have been around in some form for most of human history, and at best have a neutral impact on advancing socialism, is not a good idea
>>2839993Excuse me, hello, ruthless critique of all that exists
>>2839991I am neither 8 nor 80 so his "training" wouldn't do him any good against me. He would be very confused about what to do against a target that can actually shoot back. Like every other NATO Soldat, he would break and run the second he encountered any actual resistance that couldn't be solved with a JDAM airstrike on an innocent village.
mayor ZOGdani lost CONTROL of new york city following the win of the local TEAM in the sportsball
>>2839995do you think that means whining about everything and turn everyone against us for no good reason
if so I have to ruthlessly critique your dumb ass
>>2839996You cant even bring yourself to yell at some DSA nerds in your local city, I doubt you'd be any more difficult for him to kill than a child. Granted you're scrawny as fuck so that might make you a slightly more difficult target but considering he has actual training and you just pose with guns my money's on him. Maybe he'll waterboard you too, since you seem to have a fetish for martyrdom and all that
>>2839990If I was going to do anything with it I certainly wouldn't talk about it here. Although I will say that it came in handy with irl organizing work since most normies will instantly take you more seriously if you say you were in the military.
>>2839998Anyone against our whining about literally anything was never a comrade in the first place
>>2839999Felix isn't scrawny he's fat.
materialist explanation for people burning down their own city after their team wins the sport
>>2840002Heโs not obese or morbidly obese though, heโs like those strongfat guys that were the first fitness icons from the 1880s - WW1
>>2840004It's called the Real Movement sweaty…
>>2839980Iโd say the fact heโs outraged by both soccer and the concept of rooting for your country in a sporting event proves what Iโve said for ages that itโs just pure hatred for America with only the fig leaf of politics to pretend itโs anything deeper.
>>2840001I like how you think being associated with you is something positive or desirable
you're even more clueless than I thought
>>2840010Seems more like general misanthropy to me. If he lived in a third world country he'd have a reason to hate everybody there too.
>>2840012Iโm a factory worker and have thus contributed more to socialism than Marx or Engels, but admittedly less than Lenin or Mao
>>2840013the common thread of the most annoying posters on any board of any political persuasion is Misanthropy and the belief that being a conceited antisocial prick makes you a better person that le normies.
>>2840022We used to make fun of lifestylism on 8chan leftypol. Now it's unironically a requirement to be a "real communist."
>>2840013>>2840019Y'know I was watching the Aussie v Turkey game last night (Australians won 2-0, real surprise victory) and seeing crowds of people cheering in Sydney really was something. Men, women, black and white, people just spontaneously bursting into joy and excitement and hugging each other.
Call it a bit cheesy, but to me that seems like a decent vision of, like, positive collective consciousness. When the U.S. beat Paraguay 4-1, I was on cloud nine and a lot of total strangers who were also soccer fans were hyped too.
These folks don't have that though. They can't root for their country, they can't even enjoy the sport. They've got
nothing, and despite supposedly adhering to a collectivist ideology, they're ultra-atomized individuals. They hate their neighbors, their coworkers, their countrymen, the only collectivity they could even remotely hope to achieve is a party of other atomized anti-social types, like a bunch of incels coming together for a forum.
>>2840030no he isn't lol. 'chasing billionaire money'? what does that even mean, money is meaningless under actual socialism.
>>2840030No he isn't. American imperialism is a joint effort of the imperialist bourgeoisie of the whole world. A socialist revolution would immediately sever the network of allies upon which the US empire depends. It must simply be smashed.
>>2840035>A socialist revolution would immediately sever the network of allies upon which the US empire dependsHow?
>It must simply be smashed.Why?
>the ussr should have become a pacifist commune and not keep former russian empire republics under it's control because uhhh
>>2840040what territories does the us need to keep hold of exactly. puerto rico? oh no, what a loss.
>>2840039>How?Likely 'cause those same allies would be hosting the U.S. "government in exile" and the rich.
>>2840039>How?Foreign countries that host US bases would immediately expel them and cripple American power. They would cease or at least dramatically reduce economic cooperation as well, stop intelligence sharing, stop buying American weapons, etc. US imperialism is in reality a collective effort of the world's imperialist bourgeoisie. This is the key to its success.
>Why?First, because it would collapse for the reasons I said. Second, because it's destruction is a prerequisite for socialism to happen in the first place.
>>2840030>Chrome BarracudaBad Empanada evil twin just dropped
>>2840033I guess if we had a soft revolution and kept american military power we could muscle in whatever tax shelter
But really just wish fulfillment
>>2840049mah boi peace is what all true warriors strive for. is not the destruction of all life the ultimate guarantee of peace?
>>2840048You could run the US empire from those bases without the actual territory of the US and strangle it from outside, everyone would participate in this, especially China
>>2840027>like a bunch of incels coming together for a forum.Welcome to leftypol. Is this your first day?
>>2840055>asking the obvious long time namefag who has been here since 8ch if it's his first dayhello agent, it must be your first day
Revolution os mot happening lmao thereโs zero economic basis for it
>>2840063Yes but there's an emotional basis for it, the basis being I really fucking want it
>>2840065t. Dylan and Eric
>>2840063let me guess, it's the "FUCK MARX, FUCK YOU, WE ALL DESERVE TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!" edgelord back from another ban, paying for VPNs just to make posting here shittier
>>2840067The proles are more invested in capitalism continuing than the bourgeois are, theyโre fully reactionary as demonstrated by the hatred of AI
>>2840067Karl Marx never existed, it was all a psyop
>>2840027Mexico vs USA, LA is cheering for Mexico over AmeriKKKa
>>2840003The hinterland proles can't stand soccer. Bring on the real American football and not this pansy euro sport only engaged by DSA hippies and Latinos
>>2840101
the world can't punish the US for revolution the way the US and Franced punished Haiti for revolution. Terrible example.
>>2840095I did math two days ago and
since Elon Musk is a trillionaire now he has about $576.60 for every second he has been alive.
according to the bourgeoisie and their bootlickers, that means he works harder in 1 second than the third worlders who live on 1 dollar a day mining cobalt work in an entire year.
Clearly, Elon earned every dollar by innovating (crashing rocket ships) creating jobs (causing problems) and taking on risk (gambling with subsidies) or something. most efficient system.
>>2840110
socialist-leaning countries have higher literacy rates. and it's not because they burned down the schools.
>>2840112The entire world wore the USSR down until they gave up, biggest country in the worldโs history by landmass and third biggest by population, if you think a revolutionary US stands a chance youโre delusional. Everyone is aware of this hence why no one desires a revoke.
>>2840114No socialist nation exists because they kept those schools
>>2840119
sounds like antisocial-ism
>>2840136As long as it's not Israelis then it's probably alright.
I am so tired of third worldists and chuds
>>2840139Then kill yourself
>>2840136>Germany v Curacao was 7 - 1Jesus I feel for Curacao, but they got one point at least.
>>2840101>Thereโs only been one successful slave revolt in Haiti jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>2840139>hate on>third worldists state department talking points.
>>2840027Myles has to make up shit that never happened to stan for his favorite fascist mafia, FIFA. It's all about POSITIVE COLLECTIVE CONCOUSNESS, yeah, not generating endless profits for a literal fascist mafia.
I notice how none of you "historical materialists" are willing to even try to interface with the fact (and it is a fact) that FIFA is an open fascist mafia, which is precisely WHY you all support it so much.
>>2840002Probably in better shape than you, Whopper Jr. I can't imagine the KKKlanadian Army needs you to be in particularly good shape to waterboard little Afghan babies.
>>2840142>>2840139While all Marxism-Leninism advocates Anti-Imperialism and the struggle of oppressed nations, M3W is different.
See
>>>/leftypol/2767836 written by a Haitian comrade, which distinguishes between ML-MZT, MLM, and M3W:
>In the 90s M3W is formed as less of a political force and more ofโฆ an art project, in North America. Their activity consists of media engagement, primarily online. Their "theoretical elaboration" (that the proletariat in any imperialist nation is structurally incapable of revolution) deviate from MLM and MZT theory and practice, while retaining the militant verbiage and symbolism. They don't last more than a decade in terms of noticeable output, are still technically existing today as "MIM (Prisons)" which also still just posts stuff online, which can be described as "bizarro US exceptionalism".Thoughts?
>>2840146
(NTA btw)
>Haiti is the worldโs only successful slave revolt
True
> and the world never stopped punishing Haiti for it.
also true but idk how that proves the separate point you were trying to make
>>2840140I donโt tire of my own existence.
>>2840142>state department talking pointsIronic coming from a third worldist
>>2840146Haitian third worldism does not exist, which makes discussion about it much easier
>>2840141Was talking to a guy a few nights ago while touching grass who went down to Houston for that. He got a free ticket somehow. Know a Dutch guy who also goes to the touch-grass zone every night who likes soccer but wasn't going to go the games because it's too expensive. But with the 4-1 over Paraguay I have some ammo to bantz with them.
>>2840149
Put the tripcode back on, Myles.
>>2840158
Okay federal agent
>>2840163
what is your origin story. how did you end up like this.
>>2840168
you strike me as having sociopathic and sadistic tendencies
>>2839949(he successfully dodged this)
>>2840157CPUSAnon's real name is Myles, we know this because it decided to show off it's stock portfolio to everyone in an attempt to brag about how much money it has.
As if we couldn't tell from the private school and elite KKKollege it went to….
>>2840145>They are not like us.manifest destiny begs to differ
>>2840152>Ironic coming from a third worldistfind me a screenshot of the state department praising third-worldism.
you cant't, you quit lpol forever.
here, narquito rube-me-o-dick hating on thrid-worldism.
>>2840175Marx:
>for something to be a commodity it needs to have use value and exchange value, so not poop statues lol. also labor has no value unless it is sold as a commodityLolberts:
<wow so you're saying my labor is worth a lot if i build a poop statue? >>2840176Myles is also a dengoid, ironically enough. It's almost like it intentionally picks the most reactionary choice possible in any given situation. It even has a reactionary dog.
>>2840177Their hatred of certain specific political ideologies does not in anyway stop them from infiltrating political social spheres and/or creating new ones to serve their own interests.
>>2840179
>Who cares? Society rewards this and isnโt going anywhere
apparently you since you keep posting and going out of your way to find new IPs just to be annoying about how pointless everything is. you sure seem passionate about wrecking for someone so apathetic about everything.
>>2840172>stonks and higher educationseems like a cool guy
>>2840186
>phoneposter
>probably can't even type on a keyboard
>airplane mode spam
no wonder your posts are so low quality. it probably takes you 2 minutes just to churn out a low effort hostile dismissive sentence with no critical thought behind it.
>>2840176What's weird is he keeps insisting it was an "elite college" when it really wasn't. It wasn't bad, but I was focused more on affordability of college than anything. I guess a 3.8 GPA could've gotten me into a good college though.
>>2840182Deng re-implemented a particularly brutal form of Capitalism in China, but I can see how a fascist like you would view this as a "victory" when the factories have to put up anti-suicide nets to stop their workers from jumping.
But who cares if some Chinese people are getting worn down, as long as you get your toys and treats, right?
>>2840177I mean the state department opposes Marxism too, but something they did during the cold war was advertise a group called, like, "Select Committee for a Marxist-Leninist Party" that decried the CPUSA as not being radical enough and demanded the creation of a new, more radical party that adhered closer to Mao's thought.
Saying "Well the state department hates third worldism so that's why its not an op" isn't really an explanation, especially when pure emotional thinking doesn't really jive with NatSec strategy.
>>2840177sakai was a persona assumed by a fed. show me one picture of sakai
>>2840201lol why would someone from a state department praise a movement rooted in terrorist philosophy? you're responding to bad faith actors who deviate from the party, dont bother with these people CPUSAanon, they are not worth the energy you give.
Sakai = FBI
>>2840216>>2840210I heard a claim that the 1st edition to Settlers was found to be linked to a PO box next to the FBI field office in Chicago, however I was unable to find any corroborating evidence on that.
While I personally find Sakai suspect, I think there's really nothing that can be done beyond speculation right now. I suspect if he were a real person he'd be dead by now.
>>2840212
settlers is schlock on par with kaczynskite ravings
>>2840221
>sometimes the fbi is right
Lol, yeah the FBI was actually right that third worldism and anti-colonialism pushing discussions of labor vs. capital to the back would end up destroying the left. It would turn them into a divisive, isolated, but militantly delusional force for decades to come. And here we are, where most leftists pledge allegiance to Islamofascist reactionary anti communist struggles, and don't work jobs.
>>2840201>"Select Committee for a Marxist-Leninist Party"non-sequitur. we are talking about a slander used against a socialist state, not a failed communist party.
>>2840230
Sir, relax, you are glowing. Make no mistake, the third turdist alliance is a glowop, antifa is a glowop, your shitty praxis is what the state demands.
>>2840236
yeah, give me more money. i dont give a fuck about shithole countries that cant get their shit together. socialism in america, for americans is what i care about, stop all this extra racial shit, we need to support north american workers of all kinds, not just blacks, not just whites, most native americans dont follow 3rd turdism theyre fucking conservative drunk construction workers like any other redneck its not the 60s anymore bud.
>>2840210>>2840212it's the lack of of photographic or videographic evidence of sakai's existence (plus other things like that the book is stylistically uneven because it mixes first-person polemic, long block quotes, historical narration, statistics, and editorial notes; which can be argued that the book was written by authors, and not one person) that sustain the argument that he's an fbi persona.
the places that champion the book settlers, usually describe sakai as an 'activist'.
so much activism there's no visuals of sakai's activism.
I can google Boots O'Riley activism. Ben Norton activism. Eddie Ledger. Medea Benjamin activism. Even fucking Max Blumenthal activism. Eddie 'Liger' Smith activism; and I will be able to see the existence of their activism.
so why is there so much mystery surrounding that obscure character?
no one knows.
>>2840220the only edition I could find with a chicago address is the third, in Wabash Ave. the field division of the FBI for what I could check was in south dearborn street from 1964 to 2006, but these online records could be crooked.
>>2840177>find me a screenshot of the state department praising third-worldismFind me a prominent American third worldist that was killed by the feds. In fact the trend is exactly the opposite, people like MLK, Malcolm X, and Fred Hampton all get shot once they start talking about the unity between working people of all races, and connecting the dots between domestic class struggle, racism, and imperialism.
>>2840261
the question that comes before your question is:
>why would I listen to the fbi first?
specially when the fbi 'facts' may be found elsewhere, because they are not the authoritative institution in gas huffing. they are intelligence operators that gather information, present it to their bosses, and act upon their bosses' command very obediently, after their bosses have agreed on what actions carry their bosses' interests.
that's all.
>>2840269that logic can be used basically over whatever thing the US government has displayed as a threat, but not as dangerous as a communist revolution threat.
like aunteephah is condemned by this administration, but I don't see auntees getting pha'ed.
>>2840288>If they don't treat you as a threat then you aren't onethey are about to kill Diaz-Canel any time now.
>>2840197China fought a bloody civil war to expel the Japanese and defeat the KMT. Deng fought in that war. That's more than you have done.
If China stayed pure it would have ended up sanctioned and starving like Cuba and DPRK. If it dissolved the party like the USSR it would have ended up like Russia and Ukraine. Instead it neither went full lib like the USSR nor did it go full moralist like Cuba and DPRK. That's why it won. You say Deng was brutal. The alternatives:, ending up like Cuba and DPRK, on the one hand, or USSR on the other, was worse. PRC actually saved worker lives by taking the path they did.
>treatsConsider: China tricked the biggest capitalist empire into making itself weaker in the name of getting cheap treats, to the point where that empire no longer has military or economic supremacy, and is unable to win wars of imperial aggression anymore, is not able to pull off CIA coups as gracefully as it could in the 60s and 70s, is unable to produce missiles as quicklly as Russia and Iran, all while helping the DPRK avoid sanctions. That's good. What use is moralism about having a more ethically pure but ultimately suicidal strategy that gets more workers killed? Deng won.
As for revolutionary defeatism, I think Americans should be revolutionary defeatist. I am indifferent to whether the Chinese proles become revolutionary defeatist. At the moment they seem to approve of the CPC, regardless of you wanting to save them from the CPC. The world views the USA as the top threat, not China. The world wants US military bases to get out of their country. China is one of a few countries on Earth where the majority feels things are headed in the right direction. Most people say the purpose of good governance is to improve living standards, and China has pulled millions out of poverty while the US has plunged millions into poverty. Yes China has not abolished commodity production globally and is "playing ball" so to speak instead of being ideologically pure, but neither has your party, or cooperative, or mutual aid group, or whatever it is you do.
>>2840289They're currently in the process of attempting to starve his country into submission.
>>2840301it's "over" for the 20th time and will "begin" again for the 21st
>>2840301Didnโt Iran already say they arenโt signing anything? Itโs funny that he has to now lie that they already signed a deal instead of it being โcloseโ
>>2840301Only Israel can says when it's over
>>2840295
The bad idea was letting Khruschev have the missiles back
>>2840310Fucking idiots. Get the fuck out of here. They were spamming world news with this too, and linking random zionist reddit accounts, putting people at risk for no reason. they got swiftly hammered out of world news. even if this was real, its not exactly a good look to welcome a north korean hacker to this website. take it to wikileaks. glad they deleted that shit swiftly. theyre trying to set leftypol up
>>2840313US will go back on the deal as soon as they find the opportune moment.
>>2840315DPRK is based. shut up liberal.
>>2840313From what I heard it includes sanction relief, unfreezing Iranian assets, and ending restrictions on their ballistic missile program. In exchange they'll accept limitations on their nuclear program and open the strait of Hormuz. I'd consider this an Iranian victory since they didn't really give up anything. Before the war the strait was open and Iran didn't have nukes anyways.
>>2840317Yeah but posting a bunch of zionists names, chat logs, and reddit accounts is just asking for trouble. just because they have a shitty opinion that they bring here does not mean they are hasbara worthy of doxxing. the mods deleted that shit quick as heck last night, and quick as heck today. glad theyre finally on top of the game with this hacker shit, this isnt 2004 chans can get in serious trouble for /i/nvasion threads
>>2840320like zionists coming here to share their opinions does not make them a shady organization of jews, its just idiots sharing their opion and doxing idiots is worthless behavior
>>2840316iran will just shut down the strait again
>>2840316yyyeeep.
also,
I can't wait to see US regime liberals attacking trump from the right, once the MoU is released to the public.
>"look how trump put us in the weakest position with Iran"or algo.
>>2840315>not exactly a good look to welcome a north korean hacker to this websiteexactly, it's not good to welcome a DPRK hacker by just leaving those
unconfirmed leaks on a thread. I would welcome him
if the leaks are real with champagne and a cigar.
>>2840318keep crying leftypol isnt your playground for north korean state actors to use state technology to dox zionists for having the "wrong opinions in the wrong place". this is dangerous and can have dangerous results in real life, and not to mention this site will be shut down and ddosd before any zionist names get leaked. north korean hackers are technologically retarded compared to the tech abilities of even private israeli firms.
>>2840328theyre going to make the leaks look real by exposing actual zionist jews who discuss coming to lefty pol, but its just gamers on a discord server who are edgelords not proud boy secret police or jews or whatever schizo shit theyre going to claim. so its important people know that before they decide to take the next 24 plus hours to make up some fake documents with real peoples names and information in it
>>2840335
this post does not spark joy
>>2840330>unironically defending zionists from DPRKis this a bit
>>2840335you want regular working class americans to support imperialism so you're fear mongering by saying true revolution is total burger death. this guy
>>2840288 is right
>>2840323yes exactly. after the US goes back on the deal Iran will shut down the strait again. hasn't this happened like 10 times already?
>>2840330nonsequitur. i repeat. the world sees the USA as a bigger threat than north korea. respond to that.
>>2840329so I'm assuming he just promised Iran whatever they wanted to hear so that he could attend his ufc match without having missiles hitting israel at the same time? What happens tomorrow when it turns out his promises don't mean shit and Iran has fallen for it again?
>>2840350
>Working class already support imperliasm organically because itโs in their class interests
manufactured commodities get slightly cheaper…. while rent and produce skyrockets, while the climate dies, while the whole world grows up hating us for what the ruling class does in our name with our taxes.. doesn't seem like a good trade off…
>>2840352>What happens tomorrow when it turns out his promises don't mean shit and Iran has fallen for it again?The strait closes and missiles hit Israel. You people talk like Iran has no leverage here, but they very obviously do.
>>2840356No, the alternative is socialism where the whole world enjoys the same HDI as Denmark with only a third of the current economic output.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452292924000493>>2840362
If that were true then most people wouldn't be workers.
>>2840365
you keep insulting, changing the subject, doing non sequiturs, moving the goal post, lying, misleading. you are a fucking mossad agent and you should be skinned alive
>>2840371
weird how much more openly reactionary you are then everyone here and FEDLIX never attacks you. you and him are allied trolls.
>>2840370
>Amweikkka
did you have a stroke
>>2840348america can't get a deal better than the JCPOA so this whole adventure in iran was a waste of time since massive efforts are being put in just to return to the status quo of an open strait iran now has the capability of closing and opening at will. zionists LOST
>>2840374
>heh, you're a conspiracy theorist. anyway here i am on my 20th IP address and 20th straight hour of posting without sleeping, eating, or drinking to remind the working class that it's useless to fight for a better world because they benefit from imperialism
>>2840376yes that's my point as well. did you think i was arguing against that?
>>2840313>>2840301IRANian porkies won
AmeriKKKa porkies won
MIC porkies won
Gulf porkies won
Israel won
Palestine lost
Iranian school girls lost
Lebanese people lost
The international proletariat lost
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/major-resolutions-passed-by-afl-cio-reflect-strong-growing-labor-movement/>The resolution on shipbuilding, for example, submitted by the Machinists (IAM) and backed by the Steelworkers (USW), which aims to revitalize the nationโs struggling shipbuilding industry was problematic in some ways and did not contribute much to international working-class solidarity. Rebuilding the nationโs shipbuilding industry itself is not the problem, of course. No one can reasonably disagree with laborโs determination to see that happen. And it is clear that the workers who build and repair vessels in U.S. yards need good-paying union jobs with cargo moved on U.S. flagships rather than on foreign-flagged ships that allow lower pay and poorer working conditions.>"The monopoly profits of the capitalists in one of the numerous branches of industry, in one of the numerous countries, etc., make it economically possible for them to bribe certain sections of the workers, and for a time a fairly considerable minority of them, and win them to the side of the bourgeoisie of a given industry or given nation against all the others."Lenin, Imperialism, Chapter VIIICpusa urges cooperation with monopoly capital to crush third world shipping.
No one wants yank ships. The world doesnt need more fleets of yank ships plundering and and bombing people. Cpusa want to collude with monopoly capital to steal third world jobs. Yank shipbuilding make warship. Communist China will always produce commercial shipping vessel 10x higher quality, 10x faster, and at 10x more cost efficient than yank. Yank labor aristocrat unions make token resolutions saying imperialism bad, then strike mutually beneficially deals with monopolists.
>>2840381>right all the timeis/ought status?
real movement status?
>>2840382
>heh, i imagined in my head that someone raped you. that means i win
>>2840399So were the workers of germany then and america now, almost like class is not actually the real contradiction
>>2840408I thoufht the world cup was rigged? That trump was deporting the other teams? Yet FakeAssFootballHooliganAnon still chants usa.
>>2840408lmao fuck off and kys /pol/
>>2840362
>easier to become petit bourgeois
American propaganda. Most petite bourgeois fail and they only have large debts and bankruptcy to show for it.
>I go to the restaurant and shit on the table
>I say the restaurant is bourgeoise and real communists terrorize the bourgeoisie
<People tell me to stop shitting on restaurant tables
>I call them tailists no better than fascists
>>2840319Basically the Obama nuclear deal except now Iran gets to charge tolls lol. And they've cemented their power in the region.
Massive L for Trump/America, W for Iran.
>>2840367he had no counter argument so he started harrassing dumber anons to move the thread along so nobody would notice
>>2840470If you tried to do this with a more serious book about the Catholic Church you'd probably get like negative 5 people attending so I understand the temptation to do something more trashy but popular just to get people through the door.
>>2840486Say what you will, but American spectacle-brained fascists know how to have fun.
We're a bunch of joyless assholes sometimes, man.
>>2840470Dan Brown gets even the most basic theology wrong, itโs genuinely funny. What comes to mind:
>โGnostics believed that Jesus was fully humanโ<Itโs a broad umbrella term but Gnostics tended to believe Jesus was pure spirit rather than a material being. Spirit = good, Matter = bad tends to be a basic premise of most Gnostic sects>โConstantine invented the divinity of Jesus at the council of Nicaeaโ<There was pretty much no one in the council of Nicaea who debated the divinity of Jesus, it was primarily a debate between between Arian Christians and Trinitarians>โThe Catholic Church burned millions of women as witchesโ<The Church didnโt give official sanction to witch trials and had declared that witchcraft was โpagan superstitionโ, witch panics were predominantly secular affairs and the numbers killed were likely in the thousands, not millions. >>2840486I dont have the money for espn+ or whatever to watch it on. But I do want to see Gatheje get smoked
>>2840503the
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You're welcome :)
>>2840367>we spend 1 trillion per year on the militaryWhere does America get all that money from?
>>2840488I mean youโve got the most watched sporting event in the world happening right now and literal retards are screeching its fascist.
>>2840511federal reserve notes are fiat money, which isprinted, which causes inflation, decreasing the spending power of USD wages as well as USD holdings by foreigners.
>>2840489novels are slop and Dan Brown is bestseller slop
Think I might work on an effort post about Sorelโs theories and the current moment in American politics; but would anyone be interested? Would like to bring some decent political discussion back.
>>2840543Might take a few days to write; but while I work on the rough draft are there any questions leftypol has about Sorel? Or maybe some points they want clarified?
Also would yall want a separate thread or to post it in /USA/pol as the US would be my primary focus
>>2840537bro it's been 10 years
>>2840489><The Church didnโt give official sanction to witch trialsThis is Catholic revisionism. Just because the witch hunts were local and the pope officially didn't give approval to every single burning doesn't mean they were not involved. You also see this revisionism with the Spanish inquisition where the Catholic Church tries to insist that if the ecclesiastical courts wasn't involved it doesn't count despite Catholic Priests being part of every single Auto da fe.
>and had declared that witchcraft was โpagan superstitionโ, Only at first. By the time the witch hunts went full swing by the 1450s that reasonable position was all but abandoned. At the very least the Church was not fighting very hard to stop them. Sometime they would step in but not as often as they should have given their absolute religious authority at the time.
>numbers killed were likely in the thousandsTens of thousands. Average estimates on the lower end put it at about 40,000 deaths which is nothing to sneeze at.
But you are right, Dan Brown was always a joke.
Myles is literally making threads about his favorite fascist philosophers now in between extreme nationalistic rants about how FIFA is actually proletarian and none of you will accept the fact that he is a fascist.
This is because you are all so far right yourselves that you can't even recognize what a fascist looks like anymore. You just think it's normal to be like you and Myles now.
>>2840571A: it is normal and youโre a freak
B: in praxis youโre far more a follower of Sorel (though an incompetent one) than me.
>>2840571>favorite fascist philosophersCan you explain what about Sorel's philosophy is fascist? Just skimmed his wiki page and everything is about marxism.
>>2840573It is not normal to be a fascist, Myles, and it never will be.
Now, don't you have some fascist mafioso to simp for or are you such an extreme nationalist that you only want AMERICAN fascists? Are the Europeans too effete for you? I know you're a homophobe and transphobe on top of a fascist.
>>2840576Sorel literally invented fascism and was the explicit inspiration for แดuแดlossnW. Besides that, the fact that Myles likes him is more than enough evidence that Sorel is a fascist. Myles is an out and proud fascist and intentionally makes the most reactionary and fascistic decisions possible at every opportunity. If Myles is into Sorel, that is indisputable evidence that Sorel is a fascist.
>>2840576Sorel's philosophy can be interpreted in multiple ways and at one time flirted with far right nationalist until the Bolshevik Revolution where he fully embraced that. Despite being Marxist, interpretations ended up making him almost like the Godfather of fascism for a lot of future fascists writers and leaders such as แดuแดlossnW
nah
Sorel literally described แดuแดlossnW as: "Leader of a consecrated battalion, saluting the flags of Italy with his sword. He is an Italian of the fifteenth century, a condottiere. He is the only man with the strength to correct the weakness of the government."
But clearly, this is not fascist. Just like Myles is not a fascist, and you're not all fascists for tolerating him.
>>2840585The supreme irony being that Sorel, IIRC, was an early opponent of Franceโs entry to WW1 and found the notion of a โsacred allianceโ to support the war a betrayal of Socialism, where Hitler and แดuแดlossnW both vehemently supported the war.
Well anyways, we all agree that the USA right now is fascist. And the USA society is a fascist society.
>>2840595What do fascists do that liberals don't?
>>2840617Yes, attacking your genocidal cult is still one of the few based things the IOF has ever done.
The KKKatholiKKK cult is the most reactionary cult in the history of the world, it's been heavily manipulated by the CIA since the end of the war and used as a weapon against Communism. In fact, the KKKatholiKKK cult is how the CIA launders all it's drug money, using the Vatican's Banco Ambrosiano.
But you know this, you know every last bit of it. I have no doubt you know all about GLADIO and the Vatican's massive culpability in it, along with how entire papacies have been orchestrated by the CIA (Wojtyลa, Bergolio, Ratzinger)
This is WHY you're a KKKatholiKKK. No one would willingly join this fascist cult otherwise. I don't actually think you're stupid, Myles, I think you're malicious. You can't honestly believe that there's an invisible man living in the sky who speaks to you in riddles that you can only interpret with the help of a fascist pedophile, you're just a fascist and you picked the correct religion for your own material conditions.
>>2840513Why don't other countries print a trillion dollars and spend it on their military? Are they stupid?
>>2840570they all pussed out after babbit got shot. if they really meant business they would have kept going
>>2840630because they don't have the world reserve currency. look i get your point. the end of imperialism would mean a short term decline in the standard of living for most working class americans, but it would mean a long term increase in the standard of living for the entire working class, including americans.
>>2840626>>2840632Felix supports the IDF, hates China, and calls Fuentes "objectively to the left", the dude's basically just a fash in denial.
>>2840640
I'd say praising a genocidal invading army for desecrating another people's religious goes beyond simple apathy.
>>2840584You avoided the question. What in his philosophy specifically do you consider fascist?
I want to know what specifically he advocated in his philosophy that you consider to be fascist.
>>2840645
Socialism is inherently built on empathy
>>2840638>Felix supports the IDFIncorrect, it's your Zionist political party that supports the IOF. DNCPUSA has been laughed out of every coalition in Portland because of it's support of a two state "solution", which in reality implies a weak, vestigial Palestinian state under the complete domination of the Zionist entity.
Your party's ideal solution to the genocide of the Palestinian people is just Bantustans. Yours is just to ignore it, because you're even farther right than your party line.
>hates ChinaDengoid China is objectively a Capitalist state, this is why you support it. It's a particularly brutal form of Capitalism too, but I'm sure you think that your elite education would entitle you to being an apparatchik instead of a worker in a sweatshop so inhumane they have to put up suicide nets to stop the workers from jumping. That is what you want for the American Volk that you pretend to love so much. You would live a life of luxury surrounded by infinite toys and games while the workers would be pulling 9-9-6s at the shoe factory.
>Fuentes "objectively to the left"I said Nick Fuentes is objectively to the left OF YOUR PARTY. This is true, because Fuentes is an anti-interventionist while DNCPUSA supports every war the Democrats start.
You supported the candidates who started the GWOT, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr (who later went on to orchestrate the Gaza genocide) and KKKillary KKKlinton and did so without even a second of remorse or introspection. You provided material support to the genocidal Biden regime who overthrew Syria and Libya with extreme violence, causing millions to lose their lives, homes or nation while expanding the drone war and providing legal cover to the CIA's torture program. These are as much your crimes as they are the crimes of the Democratic party, because you are a party of cowards who slavishly kneels to the Democrats and cedes what little credibility you have for absolutely nothing. They don't even provide any gains for the workers, just a smiling face on the same institutions that your party helped them found.
I know you are a weak man, Myles, but putting words in my mouth will never succeed.
>>2840650
Yeah and he was wrong. Not everything Marx wrote was religious holy scripture like you pretend but theory
>>2840618Idk if you're trying to say that you're Salacious B Crumb telling me to rope myself or if you're trying to say I am Salacious B Crumb like I'm some kind of henchman to CPUSAnon who is Jabba the Hutt
>>2840653>FuentesHasn't aged well because he's apparently encouraging his listeners to vote Democrat now in response to the Iran war.
>>2840657>you're trying to say I am Salacious B Crumb like I'm some kind of henchman to CPUSAnon who is Jabba the HuttNow you get it. You are the little goblin that sits on his shoulder laughing at his jokes.
>>2840659Salacious B Crumb is also one of Star Wars' best gay characters
>>2840656It's one thing to oppose capitalism based on an ethical claim ("poverty is bad, feeding people is good", for example), but it's a completely different thing to lie and claim that SCIENTIFIC socialism is making a moral argument for why capitalism must be overthrown. Because ultimately not only is morality/ethics highly (or arguably entirely) subjective, but they don't answer why we need SOCIALISM specifically, and not just liberal/socdem welfarism. Why not just have class collaboration with a "highly progressive" wealth tax that "greatly reduces inequality"? Why can't we all just be friends and get along? Because capitalism is fundamentally based on exploitation and unstable due to its inherent contradictions and cannot last without destroying everything it has built.
>>2840656Its not just marx its the historical experience of humanity and working class. Its not like marx came up with all of it simple from his own brain
>>2840651
Only if you guaranatee 72 virgins i can mating press and nakadashi in afterlife
>>2840657>Hasn't aged well because he's apparently encouraging his listeners to vote Democrat now in response to the Iran warThat is even worse similar to Richard Spencer
>>2840674Notice how Myles has crawled off like a hit dog and reverted to posting le epic pop culture maymays. His ideology is so incredibly fragile that it cannot withstand even the most basic of critiques. That's why the mods ban everyone who (correctly) calls him out for being a national chauvanist.
>>2840681>the most basic of critiques. I still want to know what you think is fascist about Sorel's philosophy. So far you've only pointed out his influences but nothing about what he actually wrote.
>>2840690Ermmm consult the แดuแดlossnW quote o algo
>>2840690We dont to know anything about sorel because we dont need to read anything he wrote to know hes a dumbfuck because Lenin CALL sorel a dumbfuck. And lenin explicitly name sorel as anti-Marxist syndicalist fascist. It makes complete sense for cpusanon hold some random ass cracker dumbfuck that lenin disregarded in high regard.
>For a critique of Marx from the point of view of anarchism, see V. Cherkezov, The Doctrines of Marxism, two parts, St. Petersburg, 1905, V. Tucker, In Lieu of a Book [in Russian], Moscow, 1907; Sorel (a syndicalist), Social Studies of Modern Economy, Moscow, 1908. >>2840691You are an FBI agent
>>2840693Sorel died in 1922 before แดuแดlossnW really did anything.
He also said this about Lenin:
<I have no reason to suppose that Lenin gained his ideas from my books; but if that were true, I should be not a little proud of having contribute to the intellectual development of a man who seems to me to be at once the greatest theoretician of socialism since Marx and a statesman whose genius recalls that of Peter the Great.>>2840695Just admit you haven't read him so you don't actually know how he is fascists. I haven't read his stuff either that's why I was wondering.
Also Lenin supported a Ukrainian SSR, he is not perfect.
>>2840704>>2840693Another Sorel quote about Lenin
<Lenin may be proud of what his comrades are doing; the Russian workers are acquiring immortal glory in attempting the realization of what hitherto had been only an abstract idea. >>2840714I thought we didn't care about anti-semitism anymore because doing so is jewish feelings o algo. Which is it
>>2840697๐คจYou seem like a bot sometimes. I make a post about platner at 4am and you reply butthurt
>>2840704I havent bother to read sorel. I havent read mein kampf either. Lenin describes Sorel as "entirely devoid of thought." Sorel believed the world wasnt real, what a wonderful subject to study
>โEverything that is not thought is pure nothing, since we can think nothing but thoughtโ (p. 276). You are mistaken, M. Poincarรฉ your works prove that there are people who can only think what is entirely devoid of thought. To this class of people belongs the notorious muddler, Georges Sorel, who maintains that the โfirst two partsโ of Poincarรฉโs book on the value of science are written in the โspirit of Le Royโ and that therefore the two philosophers can be โreconciledโ as follows: the attempt to establish an identity between science and the world is an illusion; there is no need to raise the question whether science can have knowledge of nature or not, for it is sufficient that science should correspond with the mechanisms created by us (Georges Sorel, Les prรฉoccupations metaphysiques des physiciens modernes [Metaphysical Preoccupations of the Modern Physicists], Paris, 1907, pp. 77, 80, 81). >>2840709And after doing some bare minimum research I've come to the conclusion he probably wasn't fascist. But as a heterodox Marxist and social conservative his work was easy for fascists to pick up and take in their own direction. I'll look into it more later and find out if I'm wrong, but it's a low priority tbh
>>2840714>problematicAlmost no one expects 19th century European writers to be racially woke angels but I guess the purity spiral must keep going.
>>2840653>suicide nets in ChinaDaym, I didn't know Felix was a filthy propagandist for the western imperialists lol. What a faggot.
Foxcomm is a Taiwanese company btw! ;)
>>2840617>Gridiron felix is an IDF collaboratorMakes perfect sense actually
>>2839925BMI is horseshit and 2/3 is hilarious unless none of them live in my state.
>>2840758Yes the PRC is simply letting fascist companies operate on the mainland as they please and kill the workers, they didn't do nothing
>>2839925I think you mean to say that 2\3 of Americans are at least overweight. A BMI over 25 classifies you as overweight and over 30 is obese.
>>2840875
How is fascism's fundamentally biological framing of the world a variant of marxism? They see the races as strains of DNA fighting each other for supremacy with the classes likened to that of insect castes. That's very alien to marxism's economic framing of society.
>>2840840>letting fascist companies operate on the mainland as they pleaseShenzen is a special economic zone, so no it's not as they please, but specifically kept to designated areas, within specific parameters. Of course, china is a large country and they don't have complete omnipotent control over everything. But you are a bourgeois moralist and a retard who does not understand reality
>>2840691>platner closeted imperialist>closetedcloseted? really? pretty sure he openly volunteered for the GWOT four times and worked for blackwater.
I noticed nobody cares about that stuff… did nobody on here read blackwater by jeremy scahill when it came out? his books about drone warfare and blackwater were almost as radicalizing as reading killing hope for the first time.
>>2840697tom by your own admission you aren't even old enough to remember Bush's war on terror and you were a 3 or 4 year old toddler during occupy wall street.
>>2841045he didn't just volunteer, he came back and went on Reddit and openly praised the campaign and how fun it was to murder people during that war of imperial pillage
>>2840723>I thought we didn't care about anti-semitism anymore because doing so is jewish feelings o algo. Which is itWe? That was mostly fuentoids.
all forms of supremacism and bigotry are reactionary. It is remarkably easy to be consistent on this, but most refuse because they are still captured by one or more forms of idpol. Zionism is Jewish Supremacism and bigotry against non-Jewish "gentiles" or "goys", especially Arabs, be they Muslim, Christian, or nonreligious. Zionists are even supremacist and bigoted towards Jewish converts, and non-European Jews (see how they treat North African Jews). So Zionism is reactionary. Anti-semitism is Gentile supremacism and bigotry against Jews, including nonreligious Jews and ex-Jews. So Anti-Semitism is reactionary. What's remarkable is Anti-Semites and Zionists have historically worked together, because Zionists want a settler-colonial "homeland" and Anti-Semites want Jews out of Europe. So we see things like the Haavara agreement in Nazi Germany, or the Jewish president of Ukraine Zelensky working with CIA-funded neo nazis like the Azov Battalion.
>>2841055
as long as you have fun writing this slop
>>2840875
>just saying random shit and seeing what sticks
how many IPs have you paid for to be this annoying?
>>2841056it opens Friday
>Iran says the US has agreed to permanently hand over the Strait of Hormuz to Iran under their full sovereign authority, with Iran collecting tolls called "service fees" from all commercial ships after a 60-day waiver period. The opening is planned for Friday, after the signing, per Fars.
>With pre-war Hormuz traffic at 30,000 vessels and 7.6 billion barrels of oil per year, this could generate $10+ billion in annual revenue for Iran, and comes on top of the $300 billion in reconstruction funds directly sent to Iran. >>2840839>BMI is horseshitit's horse shit but it's correlative horse shit. kidna like calories. if you eat less calories you'll probably lose weight, even though calories are also horse shit. BMI is horse shit because it doesn't take into account muscle desnity, but assuming low muscle density, a high BMI probably means the person eats too much. you can kind of just look at a person with high BMI and instantly tell whether their BMI is high because they are weightlifters or because they are fat.
>>2841062>with Iran collecting tolls called "service fees" from all commercial ships after a 60-day waiver periodcalling it now, burgers will use the 60 day period to create amnesia and stabilize the markets, then on day 59 there will be shenanigans or a false flag or something, and on day 60 we will be "forced" to bomb the "crazy" islamic republic again who by the way are the "number one state sponsors of terror" and "must not be allowed to have nuclear weapons" according to actual terrorists like israel and the USA.
>>2841064you've got it exactly. and I think iran goes along with these "pauses" because they produce shaheds faster than burgers produce patriots. so they will win by attrition unless we literally nuke them
>>2841070>Would you believe yourself? INB4 I wasn't born yet in 2008yes i would believe this because i was old enough to drive and know this country was a retarded shithole back in the bush days, which i am bitter about because every single magacom kiddo seems to have amnesia and think only the democrats are imperialists
>>2840875
>illiterate /pol/tard trying to astroturf in bad faith
>again
Damn you freaks never learn that we can smell your bullshit after years of you people trying this
>>2841049Whataboutism. My age has nothing to do with the fact that people on this site have way too much smoke for someone who is running in a state that they donโt even live in, criticize Platner all you want but the average republican has done way worse shit than him.
>>2841064the whole point of hitting iran over and over was to get rid of the uranium which failed. officially ceding the Straits to iran and unsanctioning their economy is the equivalent of pulling out of Afghanistan, they're acknowledging its over at least for america
>>2841074he's been doing this for two days. his tone is remarkably consistent even though he says a ton of random shit. I think he is not a poltard because he knows kind of obscure and random stuff.
he says stuff like:
>marx should have lost that duel with august willich>humans dont deserve communism, only black bears>fuck marx and fuck you>the proletariat is a reactionary class and have betrayed humanityI think he is some kind of post-left nihilist who has lost all hope and is drinking himself to death while getting his jollies from antagonizing randos. Our own Diogenes.
>>2841080>two dayssorry, two MONTHS*
whatever you do, do NOT look at Stephen millers firstborns initials and do NOT count how many letters are in his name you'll regret it
>>2841079>import the third world, become the third worldhmmmmmmm if only there was a guy who wrote about the dynamics of the reserve army of labor, the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, and the incentive structures of capital as self-expanding value
>>2841080He sounds substantially dumber than Diogenes
Every time I flirt with giving up and going post-left Iโm immediately alienated by how much these people are a bunch of woo-woo vibes dickheads
>>2841083how about you just show us what you're talking about because i aint doing all that
>>2841080if its the same guy he's been doing a bit for months now. he broke his leg and he's taking out all his incel rage on the other users. hes also petit bourg and doesnt work.
>>2840862remember all the "shoddy construction" propaganda we did against China while living in our hovels made out of roach infested moldy asbestos and degraded cakelike plaster painted over with a coat of lead?
>>2841007
China is doing that for us. getting us hooked on fent and shit. the only problem, however, is that its mostly lumpens and lower individuals, the type of people who the ordinary working/middle civilian population don't care about. they don't care when they see an already homeless man dying on the side of the street. they didn't care about gun violence in poor black cities, but only started to care when school shootings affected their suburban areas. if we want change, we've got to fuck up the conditions of that reactionary middle class, just to get them to see that the biggest issues are not transhumanist bathrooms and that capitalism is not okay or fixable.
gentlemen I think we may have to start distributing fent to these suburbanites. (joke, pls don't kill me)
>>2841090>that one decontextualized Marx quote that online incels pull out to justify being an annoying bitch over everythingHe was talking about out his studies you morons
>>2841093>China is doing that for us. getting us hooked on fent and shit. Yeah, first the Venezuelans now China. Truly America is the victim in all this. Trump needs to arrest Xi, he's an even bigger narco terrorist than Maduro.
>>2841094you are free to go back to the hasan discord where criticism of platner gets people banned if you find it so annoying
>>2841076platner himself is almost besides the point. no i don't live in maine. the point is I have knew democrats were no good after obama failed to end bush's wars. yet people are still voting for democrats even if they were basically bush's rabid attack dogs on the middle east
on the one hand you say…
>people on this site have way too much smoke for someone who is running in a state that they donโt even live in, on the other hand you say…
>criticize Platner all you want I have "way too much smoke" but I can "criticize Platner all I want?" which is it?
>but the average republican has done way worse shit than him.My sibling in science we are talking about a guy who volunteered for wars started under a Republican president and worked for a mercenary company run by an evangelical republican zionist. The average democrat is now the average Republican from 10 years ago, talking about what civilized and respectable guys Ronald Reagan and George Bush were compared with Donald Trump. And 10 years from now the average Democrat will yearn for the "civilized" days of Donald Trump when we have president Andrew Tate or some shit.
>>2841076>Blue Hitler killed 60 million people, but red Hitler killed 61 mil, so obviously blue Hitler is less worse and we should support him in his bourgeois faggot electionretard. if you meant this as a joke then I'm sorry, but if you're unironically coming onto a website like this and saying shit like "democrat is kind of better than republican and we should support existing establishment electoral faggots to save the heckin proles" then I have no words
>>2841089yeah i corrected myself and said two months, my bad. idk why i typed days
>>2841098Trolling is for losers and everyone outside incel and femcel bubbles is sick of putting up with you idiots. Grow up or shut up.
>>2841102I don't think it's trolling to be anti-platner. What were your politics during the Bush Era? Were you even born yet? Do you remember when the Abu Ghraib scandal happened? I don't know what's worse, amnesia or willful ignorance.
>>2841102>if you dont support the guy that went on multiple brown people safaris just for fun you are hecking trollingk
>>2841096I never said it was a bad thing that China is doing that. I just acknowledged that's its happening. I don't blame them, it's their revenge for the opium crisis
>>2841107I remember all of those things and they were what pushed me left, and Iโm still tired of this kind of hyper-online mentality leaking into literally every political or cultural conversation these days. It is exhausting and does nothing.
I work two jobs, I donโt have time to entertain vapid ragebait LARPing. Feel how you want about oyster man.
>>2841111>I remember all of those things and they were what pushed me left, and Iโm still tired of this kind of hyper-online mentality leaking into literally every political or cultural conversation these days. It is exhausting and does nothing.we have to stop supporting democrats. period. it's actually fine to vote in bourgeois elections, but you have to be voting for an independent working class party, not just falling for the "furthest left" bloodsucking leech with a fake damascus conversion story.
>>2841093>China is doing that for us. getting us hooked on fent and shit. i love this narrative because the british literally smuggled opium into china and killed millions and colonized hong kong… the qing dynasty did not actually want to buy opium from the british, but the chinese at the time didn't have a strong enough navy to stop the british opium being smuggled in from british india. but you look at the fentanyl crisis today and fox news goes "china did this" and millions of retards believe. yes china makes fentanyl, but the US pharma corporations WILLINGLY IMPORTS IT AND SELLS IT. this is not some kind of opium war situation lmfao
So what does everyone here think about Platner? I keep hearing about him in the news but I never see anyone here mention him. Is he /ourguy/?
>>2841115>So what does everyone here think about Platner? Meant *Graham Platner btw.
>>2841115>I keep hearing about him in the news but I never see anyone here mention himliterally 30 of the last 60 posts are about him. and he has been discussed in most of the past 10 threads. ever heard of ctrl f
>>2841115Depends on if you buy the redemption narrative around him.
The dude is pretty much guaranteed to shit all over Collinsโ Fruit Loops in the general so my attitude is โheโs getting in anyway, wait and see what he doesโ
>>2841119> my attitude is โheโs getting in anyway, wait and see what he doesโthat's my attitude too but i never want to miss an opportunity to shit on people who still fall for democraps. like if you learned your lesson from sanders and AOC but then support this guy maybe you didn't learn anything after all?
>>2841111forgoing support for all establishment candidates, including "progressive liberals" is not a "hyper online thing" u retard. its one of the basic principles of leftism, especially when that candidate is an imperialist mass murderer
>>2841115>Is he /ourguy/?if you are a burger nationalist i guess so
>>2841119>Depends on if you buy the redemption narrative around him.and if you believe in class collaboration too
>>2841123>2003>Free KurdistanPlatner was /leftypol/ before /leftypol/ even existed.
>>2841120I donโt live in Maine, I cannot vote there. โSupportingโ or โopposingโ him is irrelevant.
What, am I gonna SEND HIM MY ENERGY with DA EPIC POWER OF MEME MAGIC? Is the
WHOLESOME CHUNGUS POWER of
MUH ONLINE VIBES gonna get the dude to shoot a fucking spirit bomb?
Voters are sick of online losers telling them what to do. You think Iโm gonna dissuade people who already made up their minds by being an annoyance online?
Get real, this is what I mean by dumb online shit. So I refuse to jump to conclusions on a fucking imageboard. WOW! Much support. The HECKIN ONLINE VIBES will charge OYSTER MAN with VIBES POWAH! Wait and see means wait and see.
For the millionth time, posting is not praxis, itโs spectacle and distraction.
>>2841131people need to stop falling for democrats and republicans. sorry. I'm gonna keep saying it. platner is just my latest target.
Graham Crackkker Platner
>>2841135If you want people on your side you have to touch grass and get results. That is how it has always been. Just complaining on the internet and getting in peopleโs faces makes them harden their positions.
You have a viable means of breaking from repubs and dems? Great!!! Please touch grass and actually do it.
>>2841131>posting is not praxisVOTING FOR MASS MURDERERing LIBS ISNT PRAXIS EITHER FAGGOT. there is literally no upside to this. if it was a situation where he was a war criminal, but now he's some kind of radical socialist, and now people are debating what to do, then I can almost understand that. but this motherfucker IS STILL A FUCKING LIBBB WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU CUNTS???
can y'all uyghas just please fuckk off to Reddit?? I'm sure you'll find plenty of like minded individuals there
>>2841138โget resultsโ =/= โVOOOTingโ in bourgeois party politics for imperial footsoldiers
>>2841138I don't disagree with touching grass. I regularly speak against democrats and republicans in real life too and people also "harden their positions" in real life too. People identify with these god awful parties because they have a team sport mindset. They feel like if you attack these parties and the candidates in these parties you are attacking them and saying they are bad people. Some people are doing that but I don't do that. Yet they still act as if I do that. I got in an argument with my mother in law. She used to be a Republican. became a democrat. now constantly watches democrat youtube slop like young turks and meidas touch. she feels like she moved "left" and that she is "as left as they come" so to hear democrats get attacked she feels like "it's never enough for you people."
the worst thing is she's actually one of the better ones I talk to IRL. I see people all the time who will change what their principles are to matcht he party line. Kinda like how republicans started pretending to be anti war after 2016.
It's all very frustrating. We need an independent working class party that runs in bourgeois elections, not to win, but to denounce and expose the system, while also doing underground activity. That is what Lenin and the Bolsheviks did but I don't know how to reproduce what they did in 2026 because we live in a completely different kind of country.
>>2841138by the way I am
>>2841143 and
>>2841135 . The other two anons who replied aren't the original anon you were talkign to.
>>2841131>posting is not praxisyou post this everytime people start shitting on dems, you are just a tone police hall monitor faggot, i dont know why you even come here, imageboards are clearly not your thing, there are plenty of lib safe spaces on the internet already, go there
>>2841139It is crazy looking at the difference but it was a different time. That was lefty politically incorrect saying to go to the military to gain experience and potentially be an asset for a revolution. But those were the days when Haz was unironically reacting live to Leftypol and this "patriotic socialism" was getting momentum in these threads.
>>2841147>It was actually a pretty common thing between 1992 and 2008 toExactly the USSR fell and the end of history had arrived so communist shirts and communism in general were considered joke and outdated because the head poncho fell apart.
>>2841162now notice why i said 2008. after the 2008 financial crash people became interested in marxism again. the historical hangover was over. people saw the decline of USA and the rise of China. People argued china had gone capitalist but nevertheless it raised eyebrows. socdems noticed the decline of welfare capitalism. wall street guys started noticing people googling marx at triple the rate they were googling him in 2007 and started doing explainer videos about marx to get out ahead of the marxist comeback. 2008 is when I also took an interest in marxism for the first time when I was 16. before that communism was just something that "the russians" did. I didn't even know marx was german. I didn't know what it meant. it was just le weird symbol and zangeif from street fighter. So 2008 I feel like was a watershed moment with the 2008 crash. We have another opportunity with the AI bubble. the AI bubble is bigger than the 1929 bubble. the biggest in US history.
Look at this video and how it starts out. It's from that time.
>>2839890>Reminder: FIFA is literally an open fascist mafiathe mafifa
>>2839890Did anybody here defend FIFA? Lmao
Reminder: Both the DNCUPSA and DแแA support Platner. The DแแA claims to have some reservations, while the DNCPUSA does not, in keeping with their usual support for the GWOT.
>>2841216Yes. In fact, so-called "Communists" are falling all over each other to defend FIFA's nationalist spectacle and say we MUST watch it or we are joyless wreckers. But this is what happens when the entire site is structured around defending fascists from consequences, it turns into a fascist echo chamber.
>>2841216It's called Schizo Maximalism pal, if you dont support shooting every person who watches a Soccer game then you too are a defender of FIFA
>>2841220Klippity cactus, what's that factory status?
>>2841213the burgertards of burger land will always stay burgering
>>2841143>she feels like she moved "left" and that she is "as left as they come" so to hear democrats get attacked she feels like "it's never enough for you people"sometimes I feel like 50% of the userbase of this website is like that too
>>2841115>Is he /ourguy/?Nobody in the Democratic party is /ourguy/.
>>2841234>Nobody in the Democratic party is /ourguy/.prepare your anus for a felix reply calling you a democrat for saying this
>>2841099>democrats were no good after obama failed to end bush's warsDo you think Obama was a socialist?!?! Obama didnโt run on Medicare for all nor was he anti-capitalist in his election.
>which is it?I meant that you should criticize him all you want but you should have more smoke for Susan Collins because she voted for all of the Wars that Plater fought in so even though she didnโt physically shoot the gun she is morally way more responsible for more deaths than Platner.
>>2841100Not voting does not work you Accelerationist-Anarkid-Zionist-Idiot-FBI Agent!!! It has been proven that letting the greater evil win only causes greater evil, you donโt have to like the lesser evil but if they have anti-capitalist messaging then they can raise class-consciousness through material wins which weakens the establishment to the point that a revolution is feasible.
>National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir has canceled his upcoming trip to the United States after he was required by the US embassy to give fingerprints as a condition for receiving a visa and was asked about his previous criminal convictions, multiple Israeli media outlets report.
>The unusual move signaled that Washington was not going to give him a diplomatic visa, for which he is supposed to be eligible, as a government minister who holds a diplomatic passport.
It's over
The 2nd American Civil War will be fought with weaponized cringe.
>Texas this stateThe AI really gets Texans. That's what I was talking about:
>>2841235That's the central point of their message: "Texas this state." All they want to do is inform people that this state is Texas. They put signs up like every five feet informing you that the state you are in is in fact Texas in case you forgot.
>>2841245I've seen people try to unironically claim that the IWW were fascists because they self identified as syndicalists.
>>2841247Jesus Christ, really?
>>2841244Ironically the thing I plan to write on Sorel I'm thinking of calling "Sorel in the Age of AI"
>>2841247What did I say? Schizo Maximalism. If you agree with a communist revolution but happen to think trade unions are pretty neat? Well howdy ho there mister Benito แดuแดlossnW! Ready to annex Croatia for your Herrenvolk? See you like trade unions which แดuแดlossnW is vaguely related to which means you're just like him and you're responsible for tens of millions of casualties in the middle east
what's new in the free world?
>>2841245>>2841251I think it can be best explained this way. It's not that Sorel was a fascist, he was pretty firmly on the left most of his life and only strategically allied with reactionaries for the sake of bringing down bourgeois liberalism, and Reflections on Violence is still very relevant. What is accurate to say is that early fascists were very good rhetorical Sorelians, but you could also say that of the Bolsheviks and indeed you had a certain amount of overlap between national syndicalist weirdos like D'Annunzio who's "government" was vibes thrown atop a progressive corporatist constitution (largely thanks to deAmbris, who was a revolutionary syndicalist without nationalist brainworms) who was nonetheless praised by Lenin for his invasion of Fiume. The common thread between all this shit was the sense of youthful dynamism and the idea that this was the new obliterating the old. When the October Revolution failed to properly materialize into a world revolution and started having to deal with their material conditions though that same crowd decided Stalin and friends were boring and lame, so at first the only real defining element of early fascism was "we wanna make revolution but with blackjack and hookers". Of course the first opportunity he got Benito แดuแดlossnW sold his soul to the interests of the bourgeoisie, which goes to show that rhetoric and vigor without a firm materialist basis is extremely vulnerable to infection by reaction
>>2841261I saw a woman in the night with a baby in her hand there's an old street light near a garbage can.
now she put the kid away and she's gone to get a hit, she hates her life and what she's done to it
There's one more kid that'll never go to school, never get to fall in love, never get to be cool
>>2841261We basically surrendered to Iran and are promising to give them tens of billions of dollars at minimum if they reopen the strait, but Fox is selling this as a victory because we blew up more stuff than Iran did
>>2841259It's especially absurd when you consider that revolutionary syndicalism is about overthrowing capitalism. It simply rejects the Leninist division of political and trade union work through a vanguard party in favour of trade unions being the primary vehicle of socialist organizing. In Europe fascism emerged in part out of the socialist movement in general, so obviously some of them had been syndicalists since this was an established branch of socialism at the time.
>>2841235>I've been to a lot of states, but never scene people there acting like they're a brand ambassador for their state. State pride is the most retarded shit ever if you've traveled anywhere because you'd know America is the same stripmall from coast to coast.The BBQ thing is so retarded because Texans don't even eat that much of it. Tex-Mex is much more common. Texas BBQ is like some invented tradition like the Houston rodeo. It's the Scottish clan tartans of Texas, they came up with that later, didn't historically wear it like Mel Gibson in that movie. Houston was never a cow town like Fort Worth so they built a rodeo to entertain tourists later on. Also Ken Paxton is from North Dakota.
I think part of the story is oil. We discovered fuck-you amounts of oil in the early 20th century and used it to break orbit from the rest of the South. In tandem with that was rebranding the state as Western as opposed to Southern (since Texas can't be Northern), like combining the ranching culture of West Texas with oil money so you get oil-cowboys and then hustling a lot on the marketing to sell the place as a way of attracting investment capital.
>>2841270
eventually trump will lose his patience with them. they make him look stupid and that's the one thing he can't tolerate
>>2841267>We basically surrendered to Iran and are promising to give them tens of billions of dollars at minimum if they reopen the strait>give them tens of billions of dollarsironically this is what trump pretended the JCPOA was, when really the JCPOA just unfroze iranian assets that american banks froze in exchange for IAEA compliance lol
>>2841247I can see it
>>2841268>It simply rejects the Leninist division of political and trade union work through a vanguard party in favour of trade unions being the primary vehicle of socialist organizingOne step forward, two steps back. You are not supposed to use unions as the primary vehicle of communist organizing.
>>2841267the new deal also allows Iran to continue "low level nuclear enriching" whereas trump had previously called for the total dismantling of all their programs. we knew Iran was going to win one way or another, but most of us probably thought it would've been a moral victory with great material losses, like with palestine, but no, IRAN has not only survived, but they may legitimately emerge 10 times stronger than ever before. faith in US armed forces, and US geopolitical dominance/power has been destroyed, and people will probably tread more carefully with Iran. if it wasn't clear who the Hormuz belonged to then, it sure as shit is now.
Trump's retardedness has unironically done more to bring about the end of the US Empire than any other president, like ever, even though its been unintentional. is he /our guy/ leftypolers? I might genuinely start getting involved in the MAGA movement, not in like a "I believe in their values" or an ACP type way, but rather just because these retards will do irreversible damage to US regime.
DON JR 2028!!!!
>I can see it
How? The IWW openly praised the Bolsheviks and called on American workers to follow their example. The first sentence of their constitution is "The working class and the employing class have nothing in common." They have nothing to do with fascism.
>You are not supposed to use unions as the primary vehicle of communist organizing.
That's the Leninist position, and I agree with it. However I don't see anything fascist or reactionary about syndicalism. It's simply a different strategy. Being incorrect isn't the same as being reactionary.
>>2841273losing his patience with them is the one thing he will never do lol
>>2841284I was just playing around with that last part, but you cant deny how bad MAGA can/has/will be for this country. for people to turn to communism, they need to lose faith in the system, and maga could really be the catalyst that does exactly that.
I'm not saying that we actually become MAGAts and further their cause, no that was just an ironic statement I made. I'm just saying that we could potentially take advantage of the increasing feelings alienation with the system that's going around a lot of ordinary folks.
not necessarily helping our enemies create problems, but just not interrupting them while they do, and then we step in with the solutions
>>2841285>The IWW openly praised the Bolsheviks and called on American workers to follow their example. The first sentence of their constitution is "The working class and the employing class have nothing in common Okay?
>That's the Leninist positionThat is a communist position. That is a position shared by council communists, who see councils as the most ideal vehicle for revolution.
>However I don't see anything fascist or reactionary about syndicalismDonโt like the term fascist too much. Itโs serve as a scapegoat term for the rest of the liberal ideological sphere. I can certainly say they are too liberal leaning due to their execssive focus on unions, which veers dangerously close to the territory of reformism.
>>2841276>You are not supposed to use unions as the primary vehicle of communist organizing.imagine you are playing a game of rock paper scissors against a person who never plays rock because "you are not supposed to use rock". Now you know they only ever play paper or scissors, and since they never play rock, you know never to play paper. You always play scissors because it will either end up a tie or you will beat them. This way you always win because they limit their strategies according to a stupid dogma they live by.
Now that's just an analogy. Let's address your actual argument:
>You are not supposed to use unions as the primary vehicle of communist organizing.the idea here is you are supposed to use a party as the primary vehicle. Unions, mutual aid groups, cooperatives, all are either subordinate to the party or a hindrance, right? OK. But at the present stage of development
in this country we have no real militant Communist party, and the unions are all yellow and class collaborationist. That is the problem you have to solve, demanding that the class collaborationist unions subordinate themselves to the class collaborationist parties is kinda pointless if they're all class collaborationist, right?
>>2841091it's always a goddamn projection, isn't it?
>>2841235wait until you visit florida, particularly miami beach.
Basically every scholar admits that Sorel was the father of fascism, but I'm sure Myles (an avowed and unrepentant fascist) knows better.
>>2841298>imagine you are playing a game of rock paper scissors against a person who never plays rock because "you are not supposed to use rock".Terrible analogy. Iโm saying stop trying to bring a rock to a boulders game.
>the idea here is you are supposed to use a party as the primary vehicleThatโs righty
>But at the present stage of development in this country we have no real militant Communist partyThen make one
>and the unions are all yellow and class collaborationistThen avoid them until they can be dealt with later.
>That is the problem you have to solve, demanding that the class collaborationist unions subordinate themselves to the class collaborationist partiesThat is not what I am asking for at all, wtf is wrong with you?
>>2841237>Do you think Obama was a socialist?!?! No. How is that your take away from that post? >Obama didnโt run on Medicare for all Actually he did basically run on single payer health care
>nor was he anti-capitalist in his election.I didn't say he was. Why are you arguing against things I didn't say? Weird to accuse me of bascially thinking Obama was socialist after voicing your disdaine for people who speak out against Platner. It seems like you're failing badly to "flip the script" on me to cover up the context of the broader discussion.
>I meant that you should criticize him all you want but you should have more smoke for Susan CollinsI am on leftypol. It goes without saying. I don't know why you guys act like criticizing Platner on leftypol is the same as supporting fucking Susan Collins. It's not about "having smoke" for the right person, it's about rejecting the Democratic Party in its entirety. If I were in a situation where the Republicans were gone and all that was left was DSA and Democrats, you better believe I'd still be criticizing DSA too.
>Not voting does not workNot the anon you are replying to in this part of the post, but if Democrats get to keep breaking their promises (which were always fasle anyway) and people keep voting for them even while their megadonors pay them to get worse and worse… then the only thing you can do to reject that system in its entirety is to starve them of votes. You need to be voting for independent working class candidates, even if they don't win. Meanwhile you should also be organizing completely outside of the electoral system to intensify class struggle. Organizing a union, mutual aid group, cooperative, or political party is much more effective than continuing to pay tribute to these bourgeois parties in the form of votes.
>It has been proven that letting the greater evil win only causes greater evil, you donโt have to like the lesser evil but if they have anti-capitalist messaging then they can raise class-consciousness through material wins which weakens the establishment to the point that a revolution is feasible.Do you think Palestinians care whether a president with a red tie or blue tie is bombing them in our name with our tax dollars? Do you think Cubans care whether a blue tie or a red tie is sanctioning them?
>>2841303>Then make onetwo more weeks
>>2841302>Sorel was the father of fascismWashington and Herzl
>>2841214this and the ai bubble makes me think porky has given up in pretending that they can stabilize capitalism, they know they will be rescued by the us government, and no one will be jailed for this.
>>2841295>I can certainly say they are too liberal leaning due to their execssive focus on unions, which veers dangerously close to the territory of reformism.Reformism doesn't follow from syndicalism any more than it follows from a vanguard party contesting bourgeois elections. The principal strategy of revolutionary syndicalist unions was to force the collapse of the bourgeois state through a sustained general strike, ideally through a single union or federation of unions that would organize the whole proletariat. They also envisioned the trade unions as the institutional basis for a proletarian state, not unlike the ML party-state. Their goals are completely in line with Marxism.
>>2841302>Basically every scholar admits that Sorel was the father of fascismNo they don't. แดuแดlossnW cited him as an influence but Sorel himself openly admired the Bolsheviks, denounced imperialist war, and supported the October Revolution. It's like saying Marx was a social democrat because early social democrats considered themselves his followers.
>>2841302>every scholarWhich ones bitch. Cite your fucking sources
>>2841304> No. How is that your take away from that post? this part wasn't meant to be greentext btw
The fact that Myles is also a fan of Oswald Mosley should be setting off alarm bells for Sorel but you're all way too stupid to have any pattern recognition, let alone the ability to recognize a fascist.
I think you've all normalized fascism for so long here that you are genuinely incapable of recognizing it. When a hardcore nationalist comes out defending FIFA, Sorel and Mosley you just accept it as normal because this site's overton window has shifted so far right it's basically indistinguishable from /pol/ now.
I tried to warn you about this, and it's why you should have banned Myles years ago, but this is what you chose when you chose to tolerate a polite fascist over rude Communists.
>>2840653>they have to put up suicide netsliberal architecture is used as human sacrifice zones that has nothing to do with being productive members of society:
https://hoodline.com/2026/01/golden-gate-suicide-nets-drop-jump-deaths-to-zero-in-late-2025/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/15/suicide-net-16-storey-new-york-sculpture-the-vessel/>to stop the workers from jumping"Workers" yeah, they have jobs, and aren't part of the surplus labor force that is being targeted for extinction for the k-shaped economy of Epstein class AI technocrats. Chinese people might stop being overworked and exploited in the future, but there is no future for the anti-Stalinist left besides dying in the streets as someone whose body was destroyed due to labor and is now a homeless opiate addict due to their mangled anatomy and corporate fascist drug sellers like Purdue
>>2841314>Sorel is a fascist! Everybody knows this<okay who's everyone and why do they say that he's fascist>Um it's OBVIOUS! The fact that you dont know it means that you're a fascist too!Do you ever think that maybe this style of argumentation might be counterproductive?
>>2841308Sorel also admired แดuแดlossnW but you're going to ignore that because you exist mostly to launder Myles insane fascism into a more ideologically palatable form.
You are Goebbels, and I think you fully understand what you're doing. It's a fitting role for a former babykiller.
>>2841286Yeah. Those decorative stars are common.
"Invented tradition" is about how a lot of what people consider traditional is really modern and constructed, so applied to modern Texas, a lot of what is marketed as traditional is a mish-mash of different things that were assembled later and even made up out of whole cloth in some cases:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invented_traditionThe BBQ thing is goofy too because this is getting tied up in this social and political stuff about masculinity, like BBQ = masculine. Also somehow muh ancestors ate BBQ on the plain while they sat by the fire. No they didn't. That's so fucking Reddit. Like you might read someone say "by gum, barbecue is like a religion for Texans…" Uhh, no it isn't? There are some small-town BBQ joints that only serve on the weekends and people will drive in for that. I've done that with friends. Like it's more of an occasional weekend thing. Also there was an article in the NYT about Talarico eating a potato, egg, and cheese breakfast taco. That is actually a staple thing especially in Central Texas, Austin, San Antonio. Better if you dump hot sauce on it. But this confused the NYT, which is like being confused by New Yorkers eating cheese pizza.
>>2841323แดuแดlossnW admired Lenin at one point too, guess Lenin is a fascist. You still haven't cited these alleged scholars who say Sorel is the founding father of fascism btw
>>2841323>you exist mostly to launder Myles insane fascism into a more ideologically palatable form. trvke
>>2841308>Reformism doesn't follow from syndicalism any more than it follows from a vanguard party contesting bourgeois electionsOkay
>The principal strategy of revolutionary syndicalist unions was to force the collapse of the bourgeois state through a sustained general strikeItโs revolution or bust
>They also envisioned the trade unions as the institutional basis for a proletarian state, not unlike the ML party-stateOkay
>Their goals are completely in line with Marxism. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>2841324>"Invented tradition" is about how a lot of what people consider traditional is really modern and constructedi noticed this even when i was really young and it always made me find conservatives offputting. basically conservatives are just people who yearn for the days of their grandfathers, and then backwards-project that onto all of history.
>>2841329There's a gosh dang CHEETO in /USApol/
>>2841323The only babies I kill are the ones I leave in your mom's stomach.
>>2841327>Itโs revolution or bustA general strike that topples the bourgeois state is a revolution.
>>2841320Yeah but I'm trying to put him on the spot for the benefit of the casual lurker, it's pretty easy to catch him in a twisting mess of contradictions and insane violent outbursts if you press him just a little bit. I mean he's too much of a coward to even yell at some DSA nerds within his city, he's not going to do shit but type his impotent revenge fantasies about his red army shooting up everyone who bullied him in middle school
>>2841235Only the older big cities in the north (including Chicago) are actually different.
>>2841331There's a gosh-dang FASCIST GROCERY STORE CLERK in /usapol/! He's literally CHEERING FOR HIS OWN COUNTRY AT A SPORTING EVENT!!! Me and my comrades will send him to the PENIS EXPLOSION CHAMBER immediately. Now look at these graphic photos of EXPLODED PENISES!!!
>>2841329i look like this and i say this
>>2841332>A general strike that topples the bourgeois state is a revolutionIt is as revolutionary as CHAZ was. Arm yourself, organize properly, and take an actual stand. Cease giving excessive attention to the baby steps.
>>2841336Say! Perfectly ordinary proletarian! You wanna talk about
SOCCER?! On the
COMMUNISM WEBSITE?!?
>>2841332And as I predicted, you ignore Sorel's admiration of แดuแดlossnW and inspiration of the entirety of the fascist movement.
You're too predictable, Goebbels. I know exactly what you're going to do before you do it. I know you think you're some sort of ideologically trained revolutionary, but the reality is you're just a dumb thug like every other fascist.
As the Chinese say, good iron does not become nails, and good men do not become soldiers.
>>2841342Maybe, but Father is a GOATed villain
>>2841341As any /USApol/ discussion continues, the probability of Felix entering some kind of Sephiroth monologue approaches 1
>>2841346I don't even know what that is, but way to reveal yourself as being utterly treat brained. Actual, functional adults quote scholars and philosophers, you quote characters from your precious video games.
>>2841347it's a final fantasy villain named after some schizo kaballah shit
Was Sephiroth praxis?
>>2841347Sorry for referencing one of the most popular video game villains of all time to make a joke about your penchant for verbose grandstanding. But I get it, you despise anything fun and spend every waking hour with a scowl on your face so that you dont accidentally do something fascist like enjoy yourself.
>Actual, functional adults quote scholars and philosophersUh oh guys look at big boy over here. Big boy in his big boy clothes with his big boy books! Knows how to button up a shirt, even knows how to tie a tie. Man you do NOT want to mess with this guy.
On a side note, you've yet to quote any scholars or philosophers either. In fact you've been making the most pop cultural references in this thread. So what does that say about you?
>>2841347Philistine moment
- We demand land and soil for the sustenance of the people and settlement of our surplus population.
- Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in the state only as a guest and must be regarded as being subject to laws on aliens.
- We demand that the state commit itself to providing, first and foremost, opportunities for its citizens to earn a living and make a life for themselves. If it is not possible to feed the entire population of the state, then members of foreign nations (non-citizens) must be expelled.
- All further immigration of foreign workers must be prevented.
- All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
- The first obligation of every citizen must be to work, either mentally or physically. The activities of the individual must not conflict with the interests of the general public, but must be carried out within the framework of the whole and for the benefit of all. We therefore demand:
6a. Abolition of work-free and effortless income. Breaking of interest-slavery.
6b. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice of life and property that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment due to a war must be regarded as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
6c. We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts).
6d. We demand that the profits of large companies shall be shared out.
6e. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
6f. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the state, county or municipality.
6g. We demand land reform adapted to our national needs, the creation of a law for the expropriation of land for public purposes without compensation. Abolition of land tax and prevention of all land speculation.
6h. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
- We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves the materialistic world order, with a national common law.
- Tthe state must ensure the thorough expansion of our entire public education system. The curricula of all educational institutions must be adapted to the requirements of practical life. An understanding of the concept of the state must be achieved from the very beginning of schooling (civics). We demand that children of poor parents who are particularly gifted intellectually be educated at the expense of the state, regardless of their parents' social status or occupation.
- The state must ensure the improvement of public health by protecting mothers and children, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by promoting physical fitness through the legal establishment of compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by providing the greatest possible support to all associations involved in physical education for young people.
- We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
- We demand legal action against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press. Publications which are counter to the common good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life and the closure of events that violate the above demands.
- We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of our nation. The party combats the materialistic spirit within and outside us and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our people can only come about from within, on the basis of: Public Interest Over Self-Interest
>>2841359God damn it you beat me to it.
Here's Kenny Omega instead.
Mass Immigration of low skilled workers is a right wing policy that the left has somehow been conned into thinking is left wing
This is not a post about immigration in general. Immigration of high skilled workers is a fantastic positive for the economy and the country. But millions of low/no skill immigrants with rights to bring their families over and end up as net negative contributors to the tune of ~ยฃ20,000 a year each to the taxpayer - and other issues detailed in a second - is the right wing business owners mega rich policy that the left should be staunchly against.
Classical mustache twirling right wing is basically 'for the rich at the expense of everyone else'. Importing low skilled immigration by the millions ends up; driving down wages for working class people and, more insidiously, the costs of anyone who doesn't work and relies on benefits etc is paid by the state and hence the taxpayer. (Not my view of the right by the way)
Taxes go up, benefits go down, health services get strained and cut, house prices go up, social housing runs out, the list goes on.
Who really wins?
Business owners - namely *big* business owners. Uber/deliveroo makes billions on paying a low wage to immigrants who will accept it and need help/topping up from the government that they simply would have to pay far more without.
Amazon the same.
You get the idea.
It's an *extremely* right wing policy for the rich at the literal ยฃยฃยฃ cost of the poorest most.
How has the left been psyoped into believing it's anything but this?
Edit: To be clear, the key point is that the left is, as a force, designed to be, loosely, in UK politics, in favor of working class and wealth redistribution and social support, arguably at the cost of growth, incentives and free market capitalism and sensible fiscal spending etc. that the right historically is for - it's an important to and fro of checks and balances.
So when the left, worker's side, comes with pro mass low skilled immigration with it, we're left with no worker's party. And, hence, wellโฆlook at what's happening to everyday people and cost of living, and inequality in the states exploding with the democrats being the prime example of this shows what I mean.
Also, right wing people tend not to be for mass immigration but the wealthy and governments sneaking it by when they can? Want to blame Blair for immigration issues? Non-Eu immigration 1997-2020 totals about 2m over almost 25yrs. Boris passed brexit and what did he do next? Brought in/set up the system which labour is now getting down (not a labour fan at all but they are at least getting it down) non-eu immigration over 5 years 2021-2025 of 6m net. Boris is a perfect example of moustache twirling betrayal of the people for the business owner class right wing I was mentioning. He should be tried and put in prison at best for what he did; no idea why he isn't reviled 10x moreโฆ.
Blaire started the immigration push sure, but the current cultural and economic strain issues are overwhelmingly from the millions of low skilled, non-eu immigrants that Boris and boris alone ushered in. And brexit is not an excuse - just look at the totals and figures; he pulled a stunt and got away with it somehow.
>>2841360>>2841359This is what plays when he steps into a Trader Joes right before he sets to work at "liquidating" some "treatlerites"
>>2841365>Mass Immigration of low skilled workers is a right wing policy that the left has somehow been conned into thinking is left wingthem mexicans… they took muh fuckin job…. who do i blame for this? the people who gave them the jobs? no… the mexicans!!!!
>>2841286>TBF, Texas actually really isn't the South IMO, at least most of it. It's where the pines start that the South starts. Also forgot to mention, that's true, but more of the population lived in the piney parts in the 1800s. Some of the largest cities in the state in the late 1800s were Jefferson, Marshall. These were very Confederate, cotton/plantation + slave areas. Also Galveston, which was important in the 19th century but never recovered from the hurricane around the turn of the 20th century. There was also San Antonio which was a violent, impoverished, frontier sort of city and the western frontier beyond that was a Comanche warzone. Also some German colonies in the middle.
I thought Tarantino actually did an interesting job in Django Unchained setting the Texas scenes in what really looks like what would've been East Texas, northeast Ark-La-Tex region. But yeah it went from a much more Southern kind of place to an invented, "modern" and "Western" image in the 20th century.
<โI donโt think anyone much questioned Texasโs essential Southernness until the twentieth century,โ says Dr. Gregg Cantrell, Texas history chair at TCU, past president of the Texas State Historical Association, and a member of the Texas Institute of Letters. โAnd they started doing so as a way of distancing themselves from the late unpleasantness of the 1860โs and 1870โs. Defeat, military occupation, Jim Crow and lynching, and all of those unpleasant things that are very much a part of Texas history as a Southern state, were things that a lot of Texans would probably just as soon not talk about a lot.โ
<Nationally, Dixie was stigmatized as a backward, ignorant, and violent hotbed of the Ku Klux Klan and religious hypocrisy. Why remain linked to all that baggage? Why not, forward-looking Texans began to think, align with the West instead? Back then, and to a certain degree today, the West was seen as optimistic, the place of second chances, the land of the golden tomorrow, a stark contrast when compared to Dixieโs melancholy and tragic yesterdays. So Texasโs politicians, educators, and ad-men went to work, Cantrell says, and have since all but totally recast the very ideal of what it means to be a Texan.
<โAnd so what do you do? You play up the frontier, you play up the Texas Revolution and the Alamo, you play up the (in reality not-very-glorious) ten years of the Texas Republic, and then you talk about the Indian Wars and the cattle drives, all culminating in Spindletop and the discovery of oil,โ he says. โAll of these things made Texas seem like anything but a Southern state.โ
<Cantrell traces the first outlines of this marketing campaign to the turn of the century, but believes it started to kick into high gear during the governorship of Oscar Colquitt (1911-1915). โHe just went crazy authorizing the building of monuments to pioneer leaders and heroes of the Texas Revolution. And you see it reflected in textbooks and all sorts of other places.โ To paraphrase the last line in John Saylesโs Lone Star, Texas leaders made the conscious decision to โforget Gettysburg.โ[โฆ]
<[Austin College professor Light] Cummins points out that the Art Deco architecture at Dallasโs Fair Park (built for the Centennial) was an intentional distancing from Dixie modes, one that sent the message that Texas was keeping up with the times and not harking back to the past of Greco-Roman columns and such. The Tom Lea murals and a thicket of cowboy statuary played up the Western theme, and the likenesses of the heroes of the Texas Revolution like Houston, Fannin, and Austin were presented in frontier attire, rather than the frilly suits the men actually wore. The eventโs logo featured, in Cumminsโs words, โten-gallon hats, six-shooters, high-heeled boots, Texas Rangers, bluebonnets, and sex,โ the last nodding to the cowgirls and Rangerettes on parade.
<And it worked. Journalists returned to New York and Chicago and filed copy about their trip out West. At the same time, Texans came to view themselves more Western than Southern. Or a mixture of both. Or neither.
<After all, Texas is just different. It always has been. Thereโs a certain unity to Southern culture stretching from Virginia all the way to the Mississippi River. Most of Dixie is African American and English and Scots-Irish, whereas Texas always had significant number of Tejanos and Mexican Americans, Cajuns and Creoles, and Germans and Slavs. Texas is the only former Confederate state with an international frontier, and the only one with mythic western landscapes and mountainous deserts. Chili, Tex-Mex, and chicken-frieds: the Carolinas do none of these well. Of the former Confederate states, only Louisiana stands as much varied from the rest, and thanks to its border with Texas, it has long contributed to Texasโs straying from the cultural norms of, say, Tennessee and Arkansas.
<But for most Texans, reveling in cowboy culture as a birthright or ancestral heritage is a fiction. Dallas was never a city of Mavericks, Mustangs, or Cowboys, and though ever a violent city, Houston nodded to reality when it changed the name of its baseball team from the Colt .45s to the Astros. (When Major League Soccer came to town, โHouston 1836โ was shot down as the team name due to protests that honoring the Texas Revolution was insensitive to Hispanics.) https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/is-texas-southern-western-or-truly-a-lone-star/ >>2841348Ahh, I see, so not just a toy, but a toy for children. This is a really elevated discourse here.
>>2841364And yet another pop culture reference from Myles, really beating those accusations of being utterly treat brained. Just like every HECKIN EPIC POP CULTURE REDDITSIRE he's an AEW fan, too.
>>2841372Normal human beings talk about and reference things they read, watch, and/or play. I know that's difficult for you to understand but people engage in fiction because it's fun and entertaining. Have you ever been entertained before? Have you ever had fun before?
>>2841365if they can't bring in immigrants they outsource, and if they can't outsource they automate, and if they can't automate, they just exploit harder. porky has all the cards. the real question you should be asking is why do "foreigners" work for less money to do the same job? Imperialism.
>>2841369Reagan did mass amnesty
>>2841378>You should blame porky and not the immigrantscorrect. now take it a step further and frame the problem as imperialism, not migration.
>>2841379You didn't want to do that. You want to keep supporting mass migration at all cost and deflect. I am 100% with saying imperialism is the key cause. Now accept that and also oppose the mass migration, but you won't.
>>2841375Myles talks about nothing but his HECKIN EPIC POP CULTURE because his role in life is to launder American fascistic culture into an ideologically palatable form for the left so it can be turned towards the far right.
Never for a second do I believe it's not intentional. Myles is not stupid, he has an elite education. He is actively malicious and this is all part of a specific ideological project, which he will even admit to when he's feeling his oats.
The fact that you fall for it reflects poorly on you, honestly.
>>2841385>I am 100% with saying imperialism is the key causeok so you agree with me
>You didn't [lies]Wrong.
>Now accept that and also oppose the mass migration, but you won't.the mass migration will continue as long as imperialism continues. you can give ICE and DHS and CBP trillions of dollars and it won't fix a god damn thing lol. this is because porky hungers for a reserve army of labor
>>2841385we got FarageComs now, huh?
>>2841365>But millions of low/no skill immigrants with rights to bring their families over and end up as net negative contributors to the tune of ~ยฃ20,000 Did you copypasta this from the bong thread? Man, /USApol/ thread is shitty enough without the anti-immigration, preserving our muh culture wankery.
>>2841382this is my favorite tiktok ever
>>2841391tune in next week where Jackson hinkle meets tommie Robinson!
>>2841365the left-wing policy is
>blame porkies they hired the cheap labor>end imperialism that causes the inequality that promotes exodus of poor people>DGAF about 'muh illegals are taking me jobs' because it's not directly their faultright wingers don't understand the second point, the third point makes them seethe in agony.
>RREEEE HOW DARE YOU NOT TO CARE ABOUT THAT BROWN ฮะิิะ, DON'T YOU SEE HE'S DILUTING MY PURE WHITE GENES REEEEEE says while he's not even a towhead white, but a light-skinned, black eyes, black hair moron >>2841387>actively maliciousBro listen to yourself. You're talking about man referencing a fucking video game, and a popular one at that, as though it's some kind of nefarious plot to indoctrinate everyone into fascism because idealism I guess is Marxism now?
And before you say that I'm rushing to his defense, I believe that the CPUSA is an irrelevant leftover of something that hasn't done anything since the 50's and will likely remain irrelevant for whatever revolutionary socialist upheaval we have in the near future. I do not like the party and I think it is silly and its made a lot of unforced errors, partially from COMINTERN direction. So there you go.
With that said however even though he's part of an irrelevant party, CPUSAnon is better at pretending to be a human than you ever will. Your only higher calling is to make communism look like an unhinged death cult and you relish in it. You expect us all to believe that you and six to twelve other guys at most who are just as maladjusted as you are going to kill 340 million reactionaries and establish a functional socialist republic in the aftermath, while never bothering to elaborate on your plans because you're aware they completely crumple under even the most basic logic. You're a sad irrelevant man part of an even more irrelevant "cadre" who's too much of a coward to even face the people he wants to execute. The fact that your greatest achievement is a multi year long campaign of "zersetzung" against ONE person that has yet to bear any fruit is just further proof of how pathetic you are.
>>2841385>it's totally imperialism that's the key cause but I'm going to continue framing it as "mass migration"why are commodities more free to move around than people? Why are Gazans not allowed to flee genocide? Why are Haitians whipped by CBP while the red carpet is rolled out for Azovites from Ukraine, Boers from South Africa, and Hindutva from India? There's more to this than meets the eye? People should be allowed to live where they want to live. Wages are only driven down by migration because we live in a capitalist mode of production where exploitation of wage labor is the primary method of producing a surplus, and that surplus is privately held rather than publicly held. Anxiety around immigration is usually a way to take advantage of nationalist and ethnic prejudices while sweeping class struggle under the rug. Even framing "migration" as the problem itself ignores reserve army of labor, and porky's tendency to outsource, automate, and bring in immigrants due to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall. As long as people in the third world make less money to do the same job, porky will buy the cheapest labor-power.
>>2841393the bong thread is dead USAPOL ends up attacts the riff raff posting bait
>>2841387>Myles is not stupid, he has an elite education. Bruh, he just went to some run of the mill Catholic school and some college nobody has heard of with a meme degree in marketing and he works at a supermarket and his parents were lifelong supermarket workers too. Lmao. This is like the funniest aspect of your whole crusade against him.
>>2841302>every scholar admits that Sorel was the father of fascismso education… good?
>>2841387> Myles is not stupid, he has an elite educationso education… bad?
>>2841403cpusanon this might be out of the blue but how do you still support CPUSA ?? assuming that your username is not a joke, how do you actually support a party that supported Biden and Harris ?
>>2841407He's on record as saying that communists should shoot up colleges so yeah, education bad
>>2841339>It is as revolutionary as CHAZ wasNo it isn't. CHAZ was a protest occupation of one neighbourhood in one city. A general strike would be a sustained nationwide strike that held the entire economy hostage to force the dismantling of the entire bourgeois state apparatus. There's also nothing saying it can't be armed.
you guys fall for a b8 like 'I don't know who sepphiroth is' on an imageboard, it's insane.
>>2841365Westerners should be extremely racist to immigrants of all kinds to the extent that no one even thinks of immigrating. Immigration is on its own a form of theft: the west takes labor that it didn't pay to create.
>>2841403>>2841409And yet more pop "culture" references from Myles.
>>2841399>Bro listen to yourself. You're talking about man referencing a fucking video game, and a popular one at that, as though it's some kind of nefarious plot to indoctrinate everyone into fascism because idealism I guess is Marxism now?Myles references nothing but treats, toys and games, because that and fascist ideology is all he's interested in. His explicit goal is to create a new reich where he has infinite access to treats and games at the expense of the American Volk he pretends to support, who will be working 9-9-6 shifts at the shoe factory.
>And before you say that I'm rushing to his defense, I believe that the CPUSA is an irrelevant leftover of something that hasn't done anything since the 50's and will likely remain irrelevant for whatever revolutionary socialist upheaval we have in the near future. I do not like the party and I think it is silly and its made a lot of unforced errors, partially from COMINTERN direction. So there you go.Your tepid criticisms of DNCUPSA cover up the fact that you are defending Myles regardless.
>With that said however even though he's part of an irrelevant party, CPUSAnon is better at pretending to be a human than you ever will. Your only higher calling is to make communism look like an unhinged death cult and you relish in it. You expect us all to believe that you and six to twelve other guys at most who are just as maladjusted as you are going to kill 340 million reactionaries and establish a functional socialist republic in the aftermath, while never bothering to elaborate on your plans because you're aware they completely crumple under even the most basic logic. You're a sad irrelevant man part of an even more irrelevant "cadre" who's too much of a coward to even face the people he wants to execute. The fact that your greatest achievement is a multi year long campaign of "zersetzung" against ONE person that has yet to bear any fruit is just further proof of how pathetic you are.And there we go, defending Myles.
Why is it that you'd all rather have a polite fascist than a rude Communist?
It does not reflect well on you.
education is not inherently bad, but the distrust in colleges is not wholly unwarranted. its not learning itself, but the kind of information they teach you at these monied institutions. when theyre not drowning you in propaganda, they're wasting your time with reatared abstract bourgeois philosophy rooted in either idealism or moralism or both. the vast majority of these institutions are incredibly reactionary in terms of ideology and practice.
>>2841427you are correct, i am just suspicious of anti-intellectualism in and of itself, not skepticism towards bourgeois institutions
>>2841427Yes, but the "historical materialists" on here will (intentionally) ignore the class characteristics of these institutions to defend an out and proud fascist from any critique.
>>2841411>No it isn'tYep, it is
>CHAZ was a protest occupation of one neighbourhood in one city.And? The scale isnโt the only problem here.
>A general strike would be a sustained nationwide strike that held the entire economy hostage to force the dismantling of the entire bourgeois state apparatusYou stopped the work. You wonโt stop the bullets. You wonโt stop the extreme measures the bourgeoisie and their supporters are willing to pull off in order to retain control. You wish to bargain with the bourgeoisie when you should be taking from them everything.
>There's also nothing saying it can't be armed.Thereโs plenty to say about that being futile endeavor. An armed coalition of unions bargaining with the state isnโt what I call revolutionary organs of the party.
Midwestern ____
>>2841426But you're not a communist dude. You're a psyop trying to make communists look like insane kill happy philistines who hate the concept of happiness or fun and are constantly looking for reactionaries to liquidate because murder is all that matters. You are a walking talking ant-communist caricature. And if you interpreted any of the above as me defending CPUSA and Myles simply because I'm not using hysterical hyperbole on some grocery clerk and his irrelevant party, that says a lot more about you than it does about me.
Also why do you pretend to care about the "American Volk"? In your own words aren't the vast majority of them reactionaries who are willing and eager collaborators with the empire? And we cant court people you consider reactionaries, we have to kill them. So again that's at miniumum 95% of the American population that must be culled to make communism possible, which you believe can be done easily with your half dozen strong goon squad yet simultaneously your valiant quest is impeded by people referencing popular culture enjoyed by hundreds of millions on a dying website. Almost like again you're not actually a communist but just a strawman who exists to reaffirm right wing stereotypes.
Also find it really funny that yet again you dodged mine and everyone else's actualy points because despite your claim to love scholars and academics you know you cant cite a single one to defend your bizarre positions and you know it, which is why you purposefully and intentionally use strategic logical fallacies with the hope that you'll annoy your opponent enough. It's a very cowardly way of debating, in fact I'd say your rhetorical strategy is nearly a 1:1 with how historical fascists behaved. Why are you acting like a fascist?
>>2841439Every site has its lolcows
>>2841408>how do you actually support a party that supported Biden and Harris ?because he believes in class collaborationism, not class struggle
>>2841439>if you guys didn't have felix, you wouldn't have anything to post about. That's not true. There is also Graham Platner. I've been off for a few months and I finally relapsed today because I thought there was some funny news I wanted to joke with people about but instead I have now been discussing Platner, CPUSAnon and The Real Iron Felix all day. It's like I never left at all.
>>2841447You donโt have to talk about Platner you know?
>>2841447I mean there was that UFC fight last night but sadly nothing funny happened there, other than one of the wrestlers deciding to use the mic to shout that Michelle Obama is a man. Transphobia remains the mind killer and the great filter between genuine progressivism and reaction cloaked in red
>>2841453I don't. Just pointing out the thread becomes just a word for word recreation of the same debates over those three characters I mentioned(and some others I wish to not name) for months or years on end.
>America's emergency oil stockpile falls to its lowest level since the Reagan administration
yuuuummm.
ready to bike to work now, treatlerites?
>>2841465didn't hear about the deal then?
>>2841461>>2841447Well since I brought up Platner again. He's been getting a hell of a lot more coverage since the primary just happened and it's crazy how they preface every news story with: "Mired in controversy" or some stupid bullshit like that. I think /leftypol/ has the right take already anyways so no need for me to say it, besides being another DNC sheepdog stooge who will surely sell out and do nothing good, the enlisting and being a merc is the main reason I don't like him. This "controversy" crap is fucking insane. The tattoo is obviously sketchy, but he has a plausible explanation that lets him off the hook. The reddit comments thing was fucking crazy. I read the ones he is being forced to apologize for to my mother and she was like "WTF?" Saying it's not a good idea for women to get blackout drunk around strange men is a controversial statement?
>>2841465>ready to bike to work now, treatlerites?universal WFH, even the factories. abolish zoning laws. every house a factory NOW. pig iron forges in the backyards like under mao
>>2841468it'll take months, if not some years to get back to 60USD a barrel of oil.
for one, trump 'lend' SPR oil barrels at a price of 60USD a barrel to us oil companies, with the compromise that the us government would buy them back (from the same oil companies) the oil barrels (at whatever price is in the future), so even if the mine clearance happens today in the Strait, the SPRs will suck on the market at a price that will be above the 60USD a barrel .
yes, trump fucked over the SPR to control the prices, made his oil buddies richie rich rich to scrooge mcduck rich.
>>2841435>You wonโt stop the bullets. So shoot back like at Blair Mountain.
>An armed coalition of unions bargaining with the state isnโt what I call revolutionary organs of the party.There is no bargaining. Like I said, the goal of the general strike is the toppling of the bourgeois state. It's a revolutionary action by design.
>>2841477the "peace" in Iran won't last that long
>>2841045Of course. Platner got his nazi tattoo covered up like it was his blackwater bunk buddies names on his buttcrack. He seems to have yanks fooled.
>>2841480>So shoot back like at Blair MountainYou have to do more than Blair Mountain. You have to have an offensive. You have to organize yourself into something beyond the union.
>There is no bargaining. Like I said, the goal of the general strike is the toppling of the bourgeois state.That is bargaining. You are expecting the bourgeoisie to simply roll over to your demands.
>It's a revolutionary action by design.It is a disgustingly precedented action that shows no real promise by itself in serving as the main activities of the revolution.
>>2841483I'm sure Israel is already planning another attack on Lebanon.
>>2841426>And there we go, defending Myles. He wasn't defending him. CPUSA is just some random guy aligned with an irrelevant party. It's
YOU spending an entire year pointlessly seething at a grocery clerk liking pop culture and having hobbies that shows how pathetic
YOU are.
Move the fuck on.
>>2841513FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKHE WASN'T HOME?!?!?!!?!??!
I MISSED?!?!?!!??!?!?!
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK >>2841513$20 it's some radicalized right winger.
Sources in Iran revealed Monday afternoon that article 14 of the Memorandum of Understanding imposes a 60 day moratorium on Platner posting
>>2841523>How the fuck is RATM not universally talked about.They peaked decades ago and are now background music for boomers.
>>2841528They still stunt on everyone that came after them. I was always disapointed with them since I was a fan. They broke up just before Bush and the rest of the band is a joke, Zack did One Day As A Lion which was ok, but so many years ago now. Leftists always peter out after their youth.
>>2841523>>2841528>>2841532
>They peaked decades ago and are now background music for boomers.not only true but my maga retard divorced father in law played them nonstop until he finally went to one of their concerts and realized they were "leftists"
>>2841487>That is bargaining."Give up powe or we'll destroy the economy" isn't bargaining, its an ultimatum.
>>2841536>>2841541I've heard several right wingers say some variation of "Why do Leftists rage FOR the machine?!"
>>2841541boomer lolberts think "the machine" = marxism = big gubbermint = woke = diversity
>>2841523>>2841532>>2841541Itโs almost like punKKK rocKKK is like other commodities spawned from the imperial core is inherently fascist slop that only a child could genuinely enjoy!
>>2841544So what do you enjoy? INB4 some aristocratic classical slop. I'm sorry our music is about killing you people during the day of the revolution and etc. It's a good fantasy.
>>2841548I would say much more, but our generation of useless faggots want to proclaim some kind of measurable accomplishment. Honestly, fuck you all, fuck this country. It is what it is.
>>2841548because they think a pedophile billionaire is "anti" establishment the same way democrats think a soldier of the GWOT and blackwater mercenary is "anti" establishment.
>>2841548He still triggers the libtards
>>2841552No one is really taking advantage of the thirst for an anti-establishment movement and candidates but are left with mediocrity and the clownshow. Maybe it is just hindsight but it felt like the 1920s and 1930s had more mature movements and options but then again 1917 just happened and the old order turned upside down in Europe with the fall of so many dynasties that a replacement had to be made. I can see why some people see Platner as a stepping stone due to WWI populist movements having vets in the forefront
>>2841548Because the ruling ideas of every era are the ideas of the ruling class, to which Trump belongs; people still think capitalism has humanity's best interests at heart even if they're mad at specific subsets of capitalists like pharma CEOs
>>2841552"Establishment" is code for the Smug Rich. Americans are trained to ignore actual class position and so they reframe everything in cultural terms. They see Trump and Planter as the uncouth people who will go into the fancy restaurant and embarrass the educated rich who speak french because they vacation in Europe every summer. They imagine Trump as Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack with Platner as Bill Murray.
>>2841563you're so good at bait
Why didnt gas prices ever reach the high of bidenomic mode of production
I finally read Hinterland after hearing about it for nearly a decade. Neel's writing style reminds me of the kind of geologic or tectonic feel of Mike Davis' writing of the economic configuration of Burgerland, but with autobiographic complaining about the "academic left" of last decade. Greatly appreciated his observation that class struggle is bubbling in the decaying residential-logistical patchworks of the sprawling Sunbelt cities and its input in the BLM wave.
>>2841558he became the libtard, picrel. so cope, /pol-cel/
>>2841548ignore all other replies. it's the ideological structure in which they are in. they never develop or developed nor plan to to develop critical thinking. by that, they end up not in a movement, but in a follow-the-leader herd.
it's been sociologically proven that right wingers are submissive to authority (or to whatever they consider authority, in their cases, rich people), thus they may know their leader is a pedophile, but they stay loyal as long they think they are protected/and/or can be one of the leaders of the movement. while others ideologies tend to follow science, or more exactly, evidence-based studies.
Some studies to ponder:
Introductory wikipedia page, starter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianismhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886907001201>A short version of the Right-Wing Authoritarianism (RWA) ScaleRelevant note:
>According to Altemeyer, right-wing authoritarianism comprises three interrelated attitudinal clusters: authoritarian submission (uncritical subjection to authority), authoritarian aggression (feeling of aggression towards norm violators) and conventionalism (strict adherence to conventional norms and values)https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24972942/ (sci hub:
https://sci-hub.ru/10.1177/0146167214538672)
>Political Conservatives' Affinity for Obedience to Authority Is Loyal, Not BlindKey note:
>Obedience to conservative authorities . The authorities with the most (highest ranking)conservative agendas were religious authority (2.73), traditions (2.60), and commanding officer (1.45). Conservatives expressed more positive moral sentiments than did liberals about obeying religious authorities, r(170) = .34, p < .001, respecting traditions, r(170) = .35, p < .001, and doing as told by a commanding officer, r(170) = .29, p < .001. Table 2 and the top-right corner of Figure 3 show that (a) these authorities have a conservative agenda, and (b) obedience toward these authorities elicits more positive moral sentiments from conservatives. These results replicate past research showing that conservatives more so favor obedience to authority (Altemeyer, 2004; Graham et al., 2009; Pratto et al., 1994). In so doing, these results demonstrate that this past research confounded obedience with conservative authorities.>Obedience to liberal authorities. The authorities with the most liberal agendas were civil rights activist (โ2.82) and environmentalist (โ2.51). Liberals now expressed the more positive moral sentiments to obeying environmentalists, r(170) = โ.23, p = .002, and doing as told by a civil rights activist, r(170) = โ.25, p = .001.this is a starter for that discussion, a scratch in the right wing authoritarianism, or RWA.
>>2841616>he became the libtard, picrel. so cope, /pol-cel/Talking about the average boomer who supports him. Way to assume I believe that lmao
>>2841616Kind of seems impossible to wokify the military, the cops and the churches. The social gospel stuff is probably possible though.
I think people get really moralist about the military even though it's completely chuddy. I think that basically what you have to do is appeal to a sense of honor and paint communist revolutionaries as honorable soldiers fighting for their home and the working class.
>>2841626y-you are free to go into the marsh
only… l-let go of my hand, b-baka! ๐ณ
>>2841631>ommunist revolutionaries as honorable soldiers fighting for their home and the working class.>for their hometrue if you're actually defending yourself from invasion or waging a struggle for independence. How many times has America done that? not many. usually it's the one invading. so that's why it's hard to marry communist revolution to defense of the homeland in this country.
>>2841636Yeah IDK it's definitely possible to organise veterans though. I guess the really big one is the cops. You can get communist lawyers I suppose.
>>2841638I'm starting to think that the best way to organize communists in this country is to grift reactionaries, take the money, give it to actual communists in other countries. just totally suck the purses here dry and give it to the third world workers. Honestly becoming a capitalist here and exploiting the reactionaries might actually teach them class consciousness better than just telling them they're exploited. They'd prefer to be shown than told.
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>>2841647>>2841487>if the working class actually exercises its primary strength as identified by Marx, that of the ability to withhold work, it's just bargaining and expecting the bourgeoisie to roll overwell damn i guess marx was just a retarded liberal.
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