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>Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif says US-Iran “peace deal” has been reached and is “now in place” with the signing ceremony scheduled for June 19 in Switzerland.>Trump confirms the ceasefire agreement with Iran “is now complete”, announcing the end to the US naval blockade in the Strait of Hormuz.>>2843288And yet it was defeated by digging some really deep holes to shoot missiles out of.
>>2843288As with any claims of what an LLM did successfully one must always ask: how did they verify it? Very often, almost always, they apply the circular logic of "the LLM is very accurate so we know that it got it right". And then they use the fact that "it got it right" the last time to justify how accurate it is, and on and on. What LLMs in war provide is an excuse to fire upon dubious targets. The USA doesn't have boots on the ground to investigate if the strikes hit legitimate military targets and they certainly won't believe reports from the IRI that say otherwise. I
guarantee that if we could verify the targets that Grok supposedly identified as legitimate and were struck we would find that a shocking amount were at best useless and at worst, and most likely, civilian targets.
Of course I have similar doubts about the claims of more efficient military planning workflows, report synthesis, analytics for logistics and all the other shit they claim.
>>2843359>CEO of Anthropic Dario Amodei awkwardly smiles through his answer to a question about why Claude AI directly contributed to the US Military bombing of the elementary school in Minab.https://x.com/karaokecomputer/status/2065371022837305572Imo there's currently a lot of jockeying for position right now to be the government's murderbot supplier of choice. Allegedly there's human oversight in what targets are being chosen for surprise remodeling, but personally I quite doubt it. I think as far as the creatures that find this kind of thing desirable are concerned, it's just sufficient to pick targets with humans in them within reasonable bounds of the zone of conflict. As long as it's blowing up something or someone within Iran, mission accomplished.
Ideally, the whole system would be automated, from production to identification to deployment. The effectiveness isn't so much an issue, because the resulting consumption and the profit derived from it is desirable in itself.
>>2843309yeah but all we do is cheerlead. thats it. no hate to cheerleaders they are prole. yes thats it exactly we're just proling out and nothing else
>>2843078Porkies sell weapons though
>>2843275even by their logic the situation bares little similarity to even the kuomintang, the iranian state has no tolerance whatsoever for even social democracy, let alone communism, it's either a hardline, autocratic islamism, or a more moderate islamic liberalism, the kuomintang even if they hated the communists, understood them as a strong, organized force against foreign invasion, this isn't even remotely the case here, this would be more or less the franco-prussian war, would we support the french empire against the prussians, simply because they're being "invaded" and all that? hardly, same goes for the prussians, the iranian communists and socialists do not have any reason to simply bow down to their bourgeois state, because an iranian win doesn't change anything for the proletarians other than a moderate increase in the standards of living
>>2843403Iran is not France. Prussia and France were both imperialist, Iran is not, but USA is. How hard is this for you to grasp?
>>2843407i didn't use it because it was an imperialist war, that it was is actually irrelevant to the point, i used it because it was two reactionary forces in a battle against each other for reasons alien towards proletarian interest, you have either the reactionary, emerging power, or the established, sinking, reactionary power, and them winning doesn't really change much, hence such a situation should be used as a vehicle to gain proletarian power
>>2843411It is in Iranian proletariat's interests to not get bombed daily like Palestine or Lebanon, fucktard
>>2843407Iran is imperialist
>>2843415Yeah its interest is getting shot by its own guberment
>>2843417>getting bombed, industries, water purification plants destroyed, is the same as pro-West protesters getting shotIf anything, shooting protesters is a defence against destruction by bombs, as people who supply bombers with targets stop being able to spy for the enemy
>>2843332Geopolitics are bourgeois politics - Great Soviet Encyclopedia.
>>2843418It is. Its a war of porkies against wagecucks.
>>2843423Iranians who protested, after seeing what kind of evil they invited to their homes, changed their opinions on protesting. This is all the proof you need to understand what is in working class interests and what is not
>>2843425That doesnt proove anything. I am of the opinion that this is an interimperialist conflict. This is the proof that it is
there is no proof that iranian protests stopped at a significant rate <because> of newfound support of the public for the islamic republic rather than the fear of getting murdered by a drone or bomb of the great satan or a bullet from the national satan, nor is there any guarantee that protests won't resume in full force once (if) the great satans withdraw their weapons from the iranian theatre to rapekill someone else
>>2843429>we protested for democracy, not for America to invade under this pretext and bomb us!A tale as old as US imperialist policy
>>2843454What the fuck, actual Top Gun?
>>2843464where did you get it from? who posted it originally and where?
>>2843464If that's AI, it'd be very concerning where it found enough footage to correctly depict explosions with shockwaves and with minimal fireball.
>>2843464this is 100% ai because this shit would've been all over the news!!!
every neocon would be using this as a justification to intensify the war effort
>>2843465Someone posted it on hasan's discord an hour ago.
>>2843332>Material reality, aka geopolnot the same thing retard
>>2843288Wow so this explains why they're trying to crush Anthropic now. No serious user uses Grok for anything.
>>2843474Not according left"coms".
>>2843476to anyone with a brain. geopol is a a myth used to justify the use of game "theory" and biological/geographical determinism
it's called historical
and dialectical materialism, you're missing the dialectical part, geopol is at best a historic description
>>2843473well, if they didn't provide a source just assume it's fake until proven otherwise
>>2843480They got it from somewhere though, right?
>>2843479Blah, blah, blah. Feel free to stop using terms you barely understand and talk about fighting over the flow of global trade.
>>2843482yeah, probably from one of those ai generator sites
whatever happened to the old adage "not everything on the internet is true"
>>2843464not an expert but i would expect someone to try to take cover from massive explosions moving towards him
>>2843484you are a right-deviation it seems, oh well, pearls before swine etc
>>2843490You're gonna have to amount to something first, before you can talk like you're in a position to purge anyone except yourself.
>>2843493>You're gonna have to amount to something firstwe are on an image board get a grip
>>2843493>You're gonna have to amount to something firstImmaculate larp
>>2843496>>2843503Still waiting on that "real communist" not-a-state that abolished commodity production.
>>2843509So was Stalin
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/01/18.htm>Leninism teaches that "the final victory of Socialism, in the sense of full guarantee against the restoration of bourgeois relations, is possible only on an international scale" (c.f. resolution of the Fourteenth Conference of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union).>This means that the serious assistance of the international proletariat is a force without which the problem of the final victory of Socialism in one country cannot be solved. >On the contrary, this assistance of the international proletariat must be combined with our work to strengthen the defence of our country, to strengthen the Red Army and the Red Navy, to mobilise the whole country for the purpose of resisting military attack and attempts to restore bourgeois relations. >Can the victory of Socialism in one country be regarded as final if this country is encircled by capitalism, and if it is not fully guaranteed against the danger of intervention and restoration?>Clearly, it cannot, This is the position in regard to the question of the victory of Socialism in one country. you can tell drumpf is a real fascist because he just killed a bunch of innocent people then lost the war
>>2843537Funny but he made a shit ton of money and is alive, the US might not have won but
he did
People haven't posted the text of the 14 point MOU?
>The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war, by signing this MOU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of the war on all fronts, including in Lebanon and other provisions of this paragraph.
>The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.
>The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran commit to negotiating and achieving the final deal in maximum 60 days extendable with mutual consent.
>Immediately upon the signing of this MOU, the United States of America will begin the removal of its naval blockade and any disturbances or impediments against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and will fully end the naval blockade within 30 days. During this period, the traffic of vessels will be in proportion to the numbers of pre-war traffic being restored by the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America further undertakes to remove its forces from the proximity of the Islamic Republic of Iran within 30 days after the final deal.
>Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vessels will immediately start, and considering the need for removing the technical and military obstacles in de-mining by the Islamic Republic of Iran will be instated within 30 days. The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialogue with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and Maritime Services Administrator Hormuz in discussion with other Persian Gulf states in line with the applicable international law and the sovereign rights of coastal states of the Strait of Hormuz.
>The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually agreed plan with at least USD $300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days.
>The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the United Nations Security Council resolutions, i.e. IAEA Board of Governors resolutions, and all unilateral US sanctions, primary and secondary, in an agreed upon schedule as part of the final deal. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America acknowledge the critical importance of the sanctions termination issue above mentioned, and expressed their intentions to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.
>The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the United Nations Security Council resolutions, i.e. IAEA Board of Governors resolutions, and all unilateral US sanctions, primary and secondary, in an agreed upon schedule as part of the final deal. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America acknowledge the critical importance of the sanctions termination issue above mentioned, and expressed their intentions to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.
>The Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with the minimum methodology to be down blending on site under the supervision of the IAEA. The two parties also agreed to discuss the issue of enrichment and other mutually agreed matters related to the Islamic Republic of Iran’s nuclear needs, based on a satisfactory framework being agreed upon in the final deal. The final deal will confirm the provisions of this paragraph. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran acknowledge the critical importance of the nuclear issues above mentioned and express their intention to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.
>Pending the final deal, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree to maintain the status quo. The Islamic Republic of Iran will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program, and the United States of America will not impose any distinctions and will not deploy additional forces in the region.
>The United States of America undertakes that immediately upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions, U.S. Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products, and derivatives, and all associated services, including banking transactions, insurances, transportation, etc.
>The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Upon the implementation of this MOU, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will mutually agree on the procedures related to the release of these funds during the negotiations. Such funds, whether retained in the original account or transferred, shall be made fully usable for payment to any ultimate beneficiary designated by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America undertakes to issue all necessary licenses and authorizations accordingly.
>The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree that an executive mechanism will be established to monitor the successful implementation of this MOU and the future compliance of the final deal.
>After signing this MOU and subject to the beginning of the implementation of paragraphs 1, 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this MOU, and the continuing implementation of these measures, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will start negotiations regarding the final deal exclusively on the other paragraphs.
>The final deal will be endorsed by a binding United Nations Security Council resolution.
Source is NBC News.
Skeptical that this "deal" will hold. Judging purely from the text it seems that it heavily favors Iran.
Particularly the most interesting bit is regarding Lebanon and "territorial integrity". It seems to imply an Israeli withdrawal. No mention of Gaza sadly.
>>2843516>>This means that the serious assistance of the international proletariat is a force without which the problem of the final victory of Socialism in one country cannot be solvedthats weird, MLs on this website told me this "international proletariat" thing didn't exist and it was just some glowie mossad fed nonsense
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