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>>2845862 Pickle
This whole arrangement is completely unsustainable and yet it keeps going
CHATGPT, WRITE ME A PARAGRAPH THAT WILL TRIGGER THE TREATLERS EPIC BACON STYLE
CHATGPTโฆ kiss me, you fool
>>2847893Good but no one will do anything about it. People will say thank you to these nazis as long as treats are on the menu
>>2847846life is just swinging from one unsustainable thing to the next tbh
at some point we should seriously consider how to live off of extremely long-lived (trillions of years) red dwarf stars, compared to much shorter lived yellow.
>>2847920Oswald Cobblepot lookin ass
>>284792930 years was the lowest sentence. One person got sentenced for 100 years, again just for protesting and having anarchist zines. Fascist police state bullshit at its finest and it's coming for the rest of us
>>2847929>>2847930
>After a three week jury trial, the nine activists were all found guilty of a slew of criminal charges in March, stemming from a Fourth of July protest at an immigrant detention facility in Alvarado, Texas, south of Fort Worth. The demonstrators arrived late at night with a plan to set off fireworks as part of a noise demonstration to show solidarity with those detained inside. A few of the protesters spontaneously broke off from the main group and vandalized cars in the parking lot, a guard shack, slashed the tires on a government van and broke a security camera. When a police officer arrived on the scene and drew his weapon, one of the activists fired an AR-15 from the woods, hitting the officer in the shoulder. The officer survived.
>Zachary Evetts, Autumn Hill, Savanna Batten, and Elizabeth Soto were sentenced to 50 years in prison. Maricela Rueda, another demonstrator, was sentenced to 70 years in prison. Benjamin Song, who fired the gun at the police officer, was sentenced to 100 years in prison. The other protesters were continuing to be sentenced Tuesday morning.seems like a bit more than zines, give them some credit
>>2847937Message received, in for a penny out for a pound.
We'll see if this regime lasts another 30 years.
>>2847937YOu need to make it so there are repercussions for this stuff for the state and so on.
>>2847937are we having the same conversation
>>2847943the guy tried that and got 100 years
>>2847956Well if they're going to send us to prison for several decades anyways just for being around that person and having zines we might as well become more militant
>>2847931Further proof adventurism is a waste of time
>>2847965That wasn't even adventurism, he saved multiple people from getting executed by the cops that night
jacobin put out an article talking about the leftist history of the confederate flag
bruh what is going on in their editor's room
https://jacobin.com/2026/06/young-patriots-panthers-chicago-classright after juneteenth these people are insane
like sure there's a place to discuss this slice of history but come ON
https://prairielanddefendants.com/defendant-writings/statement-by-benjamin-champagne-song/Statement by Benjamin "Champagne" Song, spread it far and wide
>I donโt Hate. I donโt Hate anyone. I donโt Hate cops. I donโt Hate Trump. I donโt Hate nazis. My beliefs are composed thus:
>First, that we should help each other.
>Second, that we should protect one another.
>What we all saw happen to Renee Good and Alex Pretti is my worst nightmare. I never want to see anyone get hurt. I never want to see good people, standing for what they believe in, gunned down in the street.
>What happened on July 4th, 2025 was that exact same nightmare โ when I saw Lt. Thomas Gross point his gun at the back of a running, unarmed protestor, and assuming an aggressive firing position, leaning forward hard into the recoil of his gun. As a firearms instructor and a United States Marine Corps Veteran, I knew exactly what was about to happen. I knew another protestor was about to be murdered right in front of me.
>I used, No. I was forced to use, by my duty to Life, the minimum defensive force possible. To prevent what happened to Alex Pretti. To prevent what happened to Renee Good. To prevent another Botham Jean. To prevent another Manuel T. Teran. To prevent another Atatiana Jefferson. To prevent another Philando Castile. The last thing I wanted to do is hurt anyone. And I am so, so happy that No One had their life stolen from them that day. By anyone.
>Now, 21 people have been arrested, have been persecuted, have been punished. For knowing me or being my friend? This is wrong. This is mass punishment. Collective punishment. This is guilt by association. This is injustice.
>So, should I have done nothing? Should I have looked the other way? Should I have just allowed yet another innocent person to be slaughtered.
>Heaven forbid. Every life is worth as much as every other. Whatever is stolen from you is stolen from me.
>Back in 1895, the white supremacist and U.S. Senator, Pitchfork Ben Tillman, gave a speech to the new Constitutional Convention of South Carolina on how to use injustice to steal power. He said, โHow did we recover our liberty? By fraud and violence. We tried to overcome the 30,000 majority by honest methods, which was a mathematical impossibility. After we had borne these indignities for eight years, life became worthless.โ So goes the story of how men steal power over others. By injustice, by fraud and violence.
>First, They removed every Black juror, so no one would question the police.
>Second, They told me I cannot protect myself, I cannot protect others, They told me I wasnโt even allowed to say it: Self Defense.
>As you heard in the trial: They tortured their own witnesses. American citizens, tortured and terrorized and medically neglected. A 24-year-old had a heart attack. A 58-year-old said she would die. Mothers, Fathers, Teachers, Students, Package Workers, Programmers, Engineers persecuted and tortured in this case.
>It may be my friends today, but it will be your friends tomorrow.Whatever is taken from me is taken from you.
>On June 9th of this year, the President of the Southern Poverty Law Center testified that โHate has migrated into the government.โ Into the government. The Hate is Right Here. The government, in their secret motion to give me a life sentence, calls me โThe Embodiment of Antifa.โ Because what they really want to Bury is an Idea. What They Hate is the very Idea of Being Against Racism. The Hate is Right Here.That Hate is taking power over me. That Hate is taking power over you.
>I do not fear for myself. I fear for you. What will you do? In this time of great failures and great injustices, what will you do? How will you help each other? How will you help yourselves? >>2847969>jacobin put out an article talking about the leftist history of the confederate flag It looks more like it's just an article about the YPO.
>>2847967>That wasn't even adventurism, he saved multiple people from getting executed by the cops that nightCare to explain what happened?
If you think that proletarian dictatorship, abolishing the parasite imperialist state, distributing means of production to the global south and ending colonialism is in any way shape or form 'problematic' then GET THE FUCK OUT
>antifa
Imaginary product and persecutory delusion of the paranoid hysteria of the ruling class
Is there anything more symptomatic of their own decay?
>>2847982Read the statement
>>2847971 he explains how it went down
>>2847983>distributing means of production to the global southIt would be far more effective to just provide them with the means to build up their own means of production.
>>2847992that would in fact be "distributing means of production"
i'm not sure how else that works
>>2847969not what that article says by any stretch of the imagination
say what you will but they got handed some monster sentences and i didn't see no tears, but you look at the right and they stay sobbing on the stand
>>2847969>>2848050Did you two even read the article lmao
>>2848065Antifascists understand what the potential consequences of their dissent can be based on history, they're ready to be martyred in defense of freedom. Rightoids meanwhile are always infuriated that they're even being charged for a crime in the first place, the law exists simply to protect them from the unwashed masses
>>2848024It's the difference between packing up all the machinery in a factory and shipping it elsewhere vs helping a formerly colonized country build a new one. Though I suppose that's the difference between redistributing and distributing, but I've seen people unironically advocate for the former.
>>2848081heaven's sake, I'm not a TW.
>>2847848>>2847899Europeans cant afford energy because of yanks so they cant afford air conditioning
>>2848083they can afford it just fine. euroids are simply culturally averse to it. in order to install an AC unit in Switzerland you need a special permit from the government for example
>>2847971This is so sad. These people could have advanced their cause more by driving slow ahead of ICE or by
doing nothing at all. They could have had normal lives and whatever room would be left for politics and labor would still amount to far greater impact that this retarded stunt gone wrong.
Just living and grilling for the next 20 to 30 years while holding mildly progressive views, not even socialists would be a greater contribution against the scapegoating of migrants than one night of petty vandalism and spending all that remaining time in prison.
And now they are going to be made an example of, having achieved nothing. Fucking hell, what a horrible mistake to make and waht a horrible price to pay.
>>2848088The only real consolation here is that hopefully it can galvanize people further against fascism especially with the demonstration that no matter what you do you're going to be sent to prison for the rest of your life anyways
>>2848092euros bitch and moan about china dumping solar panels into their market while the yanks don't let those commodities in in the first place. euroid cocksuckers are unaware german companies still use fax machines. euroid stagnation is 100% self imposed
>>2848087>they can afford it just fine.Retard.
>>2847971>I donโt Hate nazisI get that he's pleading to a fascist government for mercy, but come on. You wouldn't have been there in the first place if you didn't have at least some hate for Trump's personal fascist force
france out in africa trying to reclaim a literal colony right the fuck now for the sake of pillaging other people's incomes and yet they're still out here acting like they're fucking oppressed victims who did nothing wrong lmao
>>2847939>>2847937IIRC the founder of the Han Empire was once a lowly guard who, under his watch, saw a group of peasants escape. He turned to his comrade and said:
>"What's the penalty for allowing prisoners to escape?"<"Death.">"And what's the penalty for rebelling against the Emperor?"<"Death."At that point he found the prisoners, joined up with them, and overthrew the ruling dynasty.
Did you guys read the manifesto of the Montreal shooter?
https://www.rebelnews.com/manifesto_reveals_alleged_montreal_gunman_s_antisemitic_far_left_and_incel_ideologyHe talks about the loneliness young men face today in our "hypergamy society". What he did was wrong but his analysis is not so completely wrong. He even cites scientific and leftist writings.
>>2848131Wrong thread also fuck off incel
>>2848131The first ever incel communist shooter. What did he do?
>checks notes>he shot 1 cop by complete accident >he actually wanted to assassinate a porn company ceo but failedlame. should have spent less time writing the manifesto and more time planning the hit.
>>2848135damn im kinda sad he failed that would've been so based
>>2848138Of all the porkies he could've gone after some porno peddler is of the least consequence.
>Arms manufacturers, mining companies that use slave labour, investment banks that rob millions of people blind every day, pharmaceutical companies that are glorified drug dealers? No thanks, billions must stop gooning. What 0 pussy does to a mf.
>>2848148wrong. the porn industry contributes to the escalating problem of human trafficking as well as the continued commodification of women. all real communists will not hesitate to kill porn ceos. you are epsteinite. you are revisionist. you are a libtard. you are cia. the communist storm will sweep you aside like the trash you are.
>>2848148lets be real porn is just as exploitative as healthcare both to its customers and its models. if he succeeded we'd be celebrating it as another luigi. and i am very pro-porn conceptually tbh. the industry is just very evil in its current incarnation. no one would miss a dead porn studio ceo. 100% of them are pedophiles anyway.
>>2848154you aren't funny. you've never been funny. shut the fuck up. your bait is cringe. making bombs that drop on palestinians is obviously of more consequence than sex videos. stop pretending to be retarded
>>2848148He himself states to not underestimate the loneliness of our society. I think he does have a point. Not justifying what he did though.
>sentencing antifascists to decades of imprisonment as an explicit message to the left
<leftypol: I sleep
>some guy who's not even American tried and failed to kill a porn ceo
<leftypol: REAL SHIT???
>>2848160wow……………………. people are lonely…………………… stunning philosophical insight……………………
>>2848167what's there to say? houdini pretended they got a trillion years in jail for "having zines" in a narcissistic attempt to make zines like his sound like guerilla warfare, but a cursory glance at the article revealed the guy got 100 years for shooting at a pig. the burger reich will execute you for much less and throws people in jail for decades over nonviolent crimes like having drugs
>>2848159You are so braindead you dismiss the exploitation and trafficking of women as a nothingburger. To you their lives have no value as long as you get a gooning session out of it. Kill all moids NOW.
>>2848167I remember some of the dakota access protestors got decades in jail
>>2848171no i didn't you bad faith trolling imbecile.
>>2848171>making bombs that drop on palestinians is obviously of more consequence than sex videos<I CHOOSE TO INTERPRET THIS AS SAYING SEX TRAFFICKING GOODretard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard
>>2848178Most of the amateur scene are either revenge porn by a disgruntled ex or professional pornstars filming on their iPhones pretending to be amateur
tucker carlson is gonna outflank the USA left
>>2848170The other people sentenced didn't shoot anybody though, and in at least one case wasn't even present at the protest
>>2848086The existence of the zines were also used as evidence against the defendants and the judges explicitly stated they were giving these harsh sentences to send a message to anyone who "shares their ideology" ie is an antifascist. You know, us.
>>2848179
bad troll
>>2848186yes. what is there to say? the US government will kill you for being a dissident. we've known this for decades.
>>2848186You are posting on a forum where anti-fascists are immediately banned to protect an out and proud fascist from any critique and pretending that you are under threat.
There are exactly zero anti-fascists on leftypol and anyone espousing anti fascist ideologies will be banned as soon as they hurt CPUSAnon's feelings.
>>2848197why haven't you destroyed DSSA yet
>fake anfem troll gets banned
>wrongschizo gets banned
>ok time for felix
yawn. i am bored. release the chagos.
>>2848200Nah it's not the real Iron Felix, not enough long winded rants
>>2848186Post the zines. I want to see thisndangerous ideology
>>2848209Not felix but i think its funny how fascist DSA racists who say karmelo anthony deserves jail for defending himself cry about some zinetards
>>2848211He wasnโt defending himself and youโre a retard if you think he was
>>2848213
That is pretty weird actually.
>>2848125Neck yourself false-flagging inceloid.
>>2848212Ok cracker. You read your zines. You fight yours i fight mine
YES WE ARE AWARE
>>2848213
>Improve ethics at the massive porn site
LMAO
>>2848213
Man they're just trying to lend credence to /pol/ at this point.
Stay on topic you fucking retards
>>2848158>>2848154Porn as an industry is bad but not nearly as essential to capitalism as armaments, finance, or natural resources. Plus, if you're going to do propaganda of the deed then it should target somebody that's connected to a widely hated industry or practice, one which could inspire workers to stand up to the parasites they encounter daily, and scare the ruling class into being less vampiric even temporarily. Luigi was celebrated because he not only got a CEO of an industry most people struggle against regularly, but it briefly led to a sudden increase in healthcare claims being accepted. Luigi mogs this sexless loser as far as these types of attacks go.
>>2848171This is why I only goon to animated/drawn stuff.
>>2848228Now do this for the /iran/ thread, you fucking retards.
>>2848228Mod, just gonna throw this out there but I think the general opinion on the site is that things are… not so good.
Not trying to be an ass, but I'm wondering if there are any internal discussions on cleaning up /leftypol/ so there can be some actually better discussions on here? Or maybe growing the site? Just curious.
>>2848231I legit dont understand why most shooters fail. Doing what Luigi did seems to be the obvious choice. Just wait patiently.
>>2848234The deleted post was literally on-topic. A rabbi was just shot walking out of the pornhub HQ he worked at by an incel shooter who specifically targeted the pornhub HQ because he hates porn. That's what is being discussed in this thread right now.
>Now do this for the /iran/ thread, you fucking retards.They don't do it in this thread. They'll let anyone spam anything all day, it's just because this story involves Jews that xir is here in 1 second flat.
>>2848237I think a lot of them are in a really anxious, emotional headspace, and maybe realize if they don't do something
then and there they might "chicken out" as it were. I don't think most shooters are all that sane, to be honest.
>>2848234I already took care of that pseudo leftcom fucker earlier, report some more posts and I'll bring my hammer down
>>2848235Dont I know it. Yeah site quality is in the absolute dregs these days even when compared to our earlier years but the people with the power to actually change anything are afraid of "overmodding" so pretty much the only thing we can do is hire more mods and fill in whatever time gaps we have.
>>2848238And he also mentioned Jews, but what he said I think would be /leftypol/ approved. He was saying the Zionists give the good Jews a bad rap.
>>2848238It's not on topic and neither is this shooting because it's fucking Canadian
>>2848244So why not just ban this entire thread then? That's literally all the posts in the thread today.
>>2848237most of them want to go out in a blaze of glory with a big audience which results in them panicking when they pull out a gun in front of dozens of people and then they miss and get blasted by cops or security or just get tackled by a random office worker embarrassingly. they don't have luigi's humility to stalk a target and go after them at their most vulnerable. they're too low autism score for propaganda of the deed.
>>2848238That happened in Canada you fucking mongoloid.
>>2848242>I already took care of that pseudo leftcom fucker earlier, report some more posts and I'll bring my hammer downIf you're actually reading them great, i'll start reporting more. I spent weeks religiously reporting before, when one does this it becomes quite clear that you all dont bother even to look at the reports list for the most part.
>>2848244I mean you came in, left your message and still that's the only thing anyone is posting about.
>>2848245>>2848248Because the same person had repeatedly posted about the topic in this thread and multiple other threads in an active attempt to derail discussion. Now people are more discussing Luigi than whatever this incel shit is
>>2848242>Dont I know it. Yeah site quality is in the absolute dregs these days even when compared to our earlier years but the people with the power to actually change anything are afraid of "overmodding" so pretty much the only thing we can do is hire more mods and fill in whatever time gaps we have.I mean, maybe we can have an open discussion on how to improve site quality? Or maybe quality of the most popular threads? I understand its a limited team working for free so there's only so much that can be done.
Granted I'm sure there are people who'd heavily disagree with what's ruining quality on here.
>>2848256I think there is a general consensus we don't want any of the trolls and flamewars between you and Felix and all that other repetitive shit.
>>2848242> but the people with the power to actually change anything are afraid of "overmodding" Why don't you guys just use the website? You'd know what kind of shit is filling this thread with useless garbage. These trolls even regularly say there goal is simply to make this website unusable over and over again.
>>2848256>I mean, maybe we can have an open discussion on how to improve site quality? Or maybe quality of the most popular threads?you are platner
>>2848237Yeah this guy was all in on the LARP, with military fatigues and an SKS. He would've been way more successful wearing civilian clothes and armed with something more concealable.
>>2848131>hypergamy societyI hate retards
>>2848252>Because the same person had repeatedly posted about the topic in this thread and multiple other threads in an active attempt to derail discussion.Which guy are you talking about? Because it seems that everyone is posting about this topic in this thread and in the Canada thread:
>>2848261>>2848262 >>2848259>I think there is a general consensus we don't want any of the trolls and flamewars between you and Felix and all that other repetitive shitUnpopular opinion but CPUSAnon vs Felix is the only thing pumping blood in /USA/ at this point while waiting for elections like good burgers
>>2848259Buddy I DO use the website. A lot. For over a decade at this point. And for most of that time I've had to watch powerless as moderator inaction led to bad faith trolls, sockpuppets, and schizos completely dominating the conversation because there would be 8 to 10 hours periods where nobody was even online. Now that I can actually do something about it I'd like to at least make an attempt at salvaging something from this place
>>2848259>I think there is a general consensus we don't want any of the trolls and flamewars between you and Felix and all that other repetitive shit.Nah I get you man, and for what its worth I've honestly made an effort before to just not respond to Felix or people I suspect are him. Not always successful, of course, but for a couple months at least it'd be Felix losing his shit or that "you are epstein" guy responding to what I write and me just not, at least not directly.
I'm trying to do my part, for better or worse. Sadly the dude's obsessed so I think he'll keep it up endlessly.
>>2848264It's more just Felix losing his shit at me my man, and I don't think its pumping blood in here, I think it just actively makes things worse.
Like my personal thought is its like that whole "Nazi Bar" metaphor, by the time you realize you've "become the Nazi bar" then there's this feeling of "Well these are my only customers so if I ban them now I'm out of business."
>>2848270Mods should just ban third worldists and maybe leftcoms tbh. I'd welcome some ideological diversity if the discussions were high effort and good faith but they never are.
>>2848131Do you think he posted here?
>>2848270Yeah, I'm not blaming you. I know he is rather obsessed with you. I think it's best not to engage with him. On a broader note: I think if everyone who's not a troll and a wrecker should do more to post news or anything else even mildly interesting to discuss. I try to do it myself and I know it can be disheartening taking the time to clip and screencap things only for it to get zero replies inbetween whatever flamewar is happening at the time. That's the other thing we should do, is try and give replies to quality posts and just ignore the spam.
>>2848279That's pretty much my position, too. They both try to chase everyone and anyone out by accusing them of being the worst kind of reactionaries and then whine endlessly if they get any pushback. I think they, more than anyone else, are responsible for the diminished quality of discussion on here.
>>2848286Yeah, for what its worth I'm thinking of trying to put more effort into my own posts.
Real wage status
Pool status?
>>2848314NO matter how much you try to RE-INVENT (RE-THINK) things —- MATERIAL BASE STAYS SAME!
>>2848319People like to throw out this base and superstructure thing with no clear definitions.
>>2847900$100 that shit in there is just mountain dew.
>>2848314I mean too, maybe there are some people with prestige in society who I might consider respectable or honorable. Scientists and academics, philanthropists etc. But what are these people doing outside of their narrow main focus? Like the whole of society is just pretending like everything is going normally or whatever bad stuff that's happening is just a small fluke. I can't stand how weak-willed people are and how little they care about the big picture or the future of this country and the world.
>>2848327These individuals have no relatable connection aside from the shared anxieties of their positions as proles, which are presented to them through the same bourgeois consciousness which sells wealth to the poor and poverty to the rich
Industrial society is in decay. The most these individuals can muster is the same condition of neglectful dismay which reflects the symmetrical division of society into discrete enterprises wherein their entire position depends on the perpetuation of a well educated ignorance
>>2848327>>2848329That is to say they have no regard outside the confines of their slavery, even cheering where possible
>>2848326>$100 that shit in there is just mountain dew.I'll take that bet.
>>2848350>with a video from the day showing him looking miserable as he got his diploma before shaking his head as he walked off the stage.The true outrage
>>2848350>Tragic shooting happens involving a poorly integrated teenager with no recourse for their own perceived failures>"OMG HE WAS SO CREEPY"Kill me
>>2848314>we live in a society>brick and mortar quoteanother reddit tier edgelord
>>2848310what the fuck is the point of this
>>2847929>30 years for simply having left wing zines<"A few of the protesters spontaneously broke off from the main group and vandalized cars in the parking lot, a guard shack, slashed the tires on a government van and broke a security camera. When a police officer arrived on the scene and drew his weapon, one of the activists fired an AR-15 from the woods, hitting the officer in the shoulder. The officer survived."another failure of democratic centralism falling into undisciplined splinter groups, sad
>>2848177>making bombs that drop on palestinians is obviously of more consequence than sex videos<"sex videos""you dismiss the exploitation and trafficking of women as a nothingburger. To you their lives have no value" If I wanted to disprove this, I would simply choose to mention the people in those videos
>>2848375Anon, there is no vocals in that clip, just some distorted music.
>>2848279>Mods should just ban third worldists Israeli communists in their version of the DSA: "the symbol of communism is outdated because I don't know the names of anyone in our farms or factories like our undocumented Palestinian slave caste"
I'm gonna run into a cybertruck so hard it explodes
>>2848385mods should swat anyone who posts a soyjak
>>2848383motherfucker do you even MERZBOW
>>2848375>"My opponent is BLACK!"<"Race doesn't matter tho"The 2028 Republican primary debates will just be each candidate playing chicken to see how close they can get to saying the n-word without actually saying it.
The 2032 one will be that Vegan Teacher as the dark horse candidate running on a platform of reclaiming the n-word.
>>2848386You donโt need to do much for that to happen
>>2848366>another reddit tier edgelordProjecting much?
lol Darializa might win. Libs will be big mad.
>>2848403I just saw in the news yesterday the kidnapper said she dead.
>>2848405rip lil guth she was a real g or not i don't know
>>2848415Every election until the inevitable AOC presidency will continue to confirm the hatred of everyday Americans for the aipac machine. The stupid goy cattle have finally turned.
Claire Valdez won too. It's going to cause more centrist meltdowns because they were hoping Mamdani was a one-off.
>>2848418AIPAC won a seat in Maryland but this old-style NYC machine politics stuff is not working. Like you don't even get a free turkey on Thanksgiving anymore.
>>2848288Can yoy write more essays about how sorel or how bernie lost because of the blacks
>>2848418I think the best take on it I've heard is that a lot of people, even if they can't articulate a socialist or anti-zionist viewpoint, don't trust someone who takes AIPAC money not to stab them in the back in some other way.
>>2848423Boring. Write more essays about mosely
>>2848406the DSA candidates tend to heavily run up the vote on same day ballots too so it's looking good for her.
>>2848424Go to bed, felix
>>2848418>Every election until the inevitable AOC presidencySo AOC's gonna defeat Schumer in 2028, then run for president in 2032. Then what happens.
>>2848425She's got it. Espaillat doesn't have enough remaining votes in the Dominican neighborhoods to make up the gap.
>>2848426Babylon's whores here never rest. Theyve been going longer than i
>>2848429DSA sweep; a terrible day day for felix
>>2848431Jesus, you're a fucking loser.
>>2848422>how bernie lost because of the blacksBeing a flagfag or namefag your history gets remembered. That rant about blacks by cpusanon was bizarre but he grew since then
Hate the succ, hate electoralism, hate the cheerleaders of both, but ngl that centrist rage is hitting just right at the moment
>>2848400>>2848399>>2848415CNN just called it for her.
>>2848439>They are malding right now on CNN.Told ya
>>2848441<citing as her source the Qiao Collectiv^^^
>>2848444I don't know who this pretty lady is but she was just telling the guy complaining about 'radical socialism' or whatever, and she said:
>You have to understand that socialism isn't a scare word for people anymore >>2848436>>2848441>>2848440V)}OV<AITIJNGSHCUCUBUJMEDSN INTNCNETIRISIISFFIS JADOWN ASS
>>2848448ahahahaha hahhahahhaha hAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA HAHAH
I AM SUCKING CENTRISTS INTO MY ASS AS I DAB LIKE A HORRIBLE VACUUM. THEY SCREAM AND CRY AS MY ASS BLENDER ACTIVATES. THEY ARE PULP FOR MY PROTEIN INTAKE
>>2848437What was the rant about exactly
>>2848455I don't know/remember but I think about Clyburn and Black voters shafting Bernard in the 2016 and 2020 primaries.
TBH there is a little something to it. I remember this working class Black woman telling me "Fuck Bernie, he's racist!" in 2016 while supporting "Hillary 'Super Predator' Clinton."
Is Fox News some kind of sick joke? Every clip I watch from there looks straight up like a skit, it's beyond just regular right-wing propaganda.
>>2848461Fox News feels like a Tim Heidecker bit that got out of hand for years on end
>>2848461>>2848463>>2848465Amerikkkans have no sense of satire which is how Bush-2-era conservatards actually thought Stephen Colbert was a legit conservative pundit for years
>>2848468
you are either drunk or are an LLM who has not received enough training data to produce coherent output
>>2848469I Ama mnaot odurank
obama era is back baby
>>2848470IG JAM NOT DRUANK
>>2848460>I don't know/remember but I think about Clyburn and Black voters shafting Bernard in the 2016 and 2020 primaries.
>TBH there is a little something to it.I wouldn't ascribe it to "the blacks" but the Democratic machine in South Carolina lead by Jim Clyburn absolutely did conspire to fuck over Bernie Sanders to the benefit of Joe Biden. This was well documented at the time.
https://www.blackagendareport.com/freedom-rider-black-people-lose-2020
>James Clyburn, the so-called king maker in the Congressional Black Caucus, operates on direct orders from the Democratic Party establishment who declared that the 2020 nominee would be anyone but Bernie Sanders. Clyburn and his cohorts make us all losers when they act in concert with people whose interests are diametrically opposed to ours. Clyburn has received more than $1 million in campaign donations fromย big pharmaย Political Action Committees. That means his machinations are never carried out for the benefit of the people he allegedly represents.https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/26/jim-clyburn-endorses-joe-biden-117667
>โI do believe it will be an extra burden for us to have to carry. This is South Carolina, and South Carolinians are pretty leery about that title โsocialist,โโ Clyburn said Sunday on ABCโs This Week.
>Clyburnโs sentiment is widely shared by others in the Congressional Black Caucus, whose members have been more likely to endorse Biden โ the two-term vice president to the nationโs first black president โ than any other candidate in the race. lets get libbed up
>>2848460>>2848455I detest digging up old history and peoples' memories of it may not be accurate because I wasn't using a trip at the time; it was around that point that someone would take the name or flag I was using and then go over the top, hell I might not even be able to provide an objective account of it myself given I'm naturally biased towards, well, myself and this was years ago.
But long story short there was a pretty popular trend at the time that amounted to: "Black people are just de facto the most progressive demographic in America and have done objectively the most for socialism out of any group of people" and a parallel trend that "White people are de facto reactionary and bear responsibility for Reagan because of VOOOOOOOOOOOTING"
So I said if we're going to hold groups of people accountable because of voting, then Black people are responsible for Bernie losing the 2020 primary at least because they swung for Biden. Got a lot of "well it was older Black people" and "well that isn't fair" which I think was
way more charitable and nuanced than what you'd get as a White person broadly on the left (i.e. that you inherit some "sin" from your ancestors that needs to be expunged)
Anyways that trend kind of died down over time. Mamdani won despite not winning the Black vote and I think a lot of activists came to realize over time that dragging Black people into the forefront of struggles in which they can't see a direct line to their own personal struggle (such as trying to portray Israel-Palestine as a "Black issue") just… doesn't really work.
As for why the Black vote went against Bernie and continues to be wielded against progressives, most of it just has to do with the fact that the DNC still has a strong political machine among what could be termed a "Black establishment"; ministers and the like. I think a lot of elderly people get bussed out through things like predominantly Black churches and they vote for a slate determined by their ministers and the DNC establishment. Its not necessarily an ideological statement so much as a matter of the Dems having a well-oiled political machine.
Personally I think unless things change, we'll probably continue to see Progressives/Socialists locked out of some higher offices because of the DNC's ability to use their political machine as a checkmate. I think they even moved their presidential primary process to start in the Black belt first in order to weed out other attempts at a progressive coup.
>>2848432Millions must join cadres
hope and change guys
>>2848476>As for why the Black vote went against Bernie and continues to be wielded against progressives, most of it just has to do with the fact that the DNC still has a strong political machine among what could be termed a "Black establishment"; ministers and the like. I think a lot of elderly people get bussed out through things like predominantly Black churches and they vote for a slate determined by their ministers and the DNC establishment. Its not necessarily an ideological statement so much as a matter of the Dems having a well-oiled political machine.Agree
>>2848474Yeah, but there was more than just that as I was alluding to. There was this whole narrative going around that Bernie was racist and Hilldawg was the real pro-Black candidate in the race because Bill played sax on Arsenio Hall or something.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/why-black-voters-dont-feel-the-bern-213707/https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-8527360252Video edited to claim Bernie Sanders made racist commentshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/09/23/on-twitter-bernie-sanderss-supporters-are-becoming-one-of-his-biggest-problems/On Twitter, Bernie Sandersโs supporters are becoming one of his biggest problems>Sandersโs predominately white backers are targeting black activists and journalists who dare question the candidateโs civil rights record.Meanwhile Black primary voters went for the architects of the crime bill Joe "Black children love playing with my blonde leghairs" Biden and Hillary "Super Predator" Clinton. Frankly I think it's fair to say they are one of the most uninformed group of voters out there and are easily swayed by whatever narrative gets pushed in Black media circuits.
would u vote hillary if she joined DSA and ran as the DSA backed dem candidate???????
>>2848492The craziest part of the story is that the actual "Corn Pop" himself ended up coming out and largely affirming it to be true
>>2848476We'll have to see how redistricting could change things in the future. A bunch of these majority black; democratic machine districts are getting drawn out, thanks to the new supreme court decision, no? Could open up the opportunity for a more populist multi-racial coalition based on class issues to be built, of course that is many decades of hard work out.
>>2848480Yeah I heard a ton of "BERNIE IS RACIST!" shit during the primary. It got way worse during October 7th too, because not only did I see a few "Progressive" Jews suddenly talk about how "complicated" the whole issue was (they'd previously been "DECOLONIZATION NOW!" types) and I saw a few comments that amounted to "If you actually care about Palestine enough to not vote for Kamala you're revealing your white privilege" which kind of just gave me a cynical view on how much universal ideals of justice and fairness are actually believed by people who invoke them.
Weirdest was a Black dude talking about how much "White people care about Gaza" but "They aren't even in the same country as you, so who cares?"
>>2848489I do think there is something to minority groups being extremely skeptical of the electoral prospects of a minority candidate until they are able to prove that they actually are able to get real results (i.e. win a primary). People often say Obama for example struggled with the black vote in polls until he won Iowa in the primary, proving that yes, white people were ready to vote for a black man for president. idk how true that is though. Same pattern here with mamdani.
>>2848501both parties are openly bourgeois and openly racist, it's just that the democrats are more polite about it.
>>2848487True either Vance wins in 2028 and brings on โpopulistโ neo-Conservativism or AOC restores the Obama era
>>2848501>old stock blackThat only exists in the south
>>2848505what? there's old stock blacks in the north too, especially in new england
>>2848499Might be.
A funny thing on the Hasan stream, Ryan Grim and Hasan's camera operator walked down the block to where Espaillat was canvassing. And this white boy who weighed as much as a leaf was heckling him about AIPAC and would just not stop, he was trying to disrupt his GOTV op. And Espaillat had this detail of big Dominican and black guys with him, and it started escalating with the white boy calling him a racist (because his campaign did seriously push anti-Haitian stuff) as Espaillat's guys tried to shoo him away, and one the black guys got mad and was like "you got a lot of nerve saying that here in Harlem you cracker-ass bitch." Like some generalizations are probably necessary when talking about politics but when it breaks down on the individual level it can get completely bizarre.
>>2848506Not that much I guess thereโs some pre-1776 freed blacks though THEYRE in small numbers and most black people in the north come from great migration
>>2848427Schumer is already dead New Yorkers just see his office as being occupied by a literal tombstone. Unfortunately the establishment is trying to run that worthless faggot Gavin newsome and he might just have enough anti-trump white guy charisma to win over the good for nothing liberals.
>>2848511maybe newsome will win? it's not exactly clear but if AOC manages to beat him amongst other groups, or even young men then there's a chance
>>2848511Schumer is so unpopular a dead skunk endorsed by DSA could beat him
>>2847836Is America becoming based and christpilled
>>2848518Alright, then who are you voting for?
>>2848518Honestly the left needs to form a revolutionary multi-tendcy United front 3rd party or whatever but they just vote blue though centrist liberals are so unpopular that even my liberal mother said she would only vote for โprogressiveโ dems which is small steps towards understanding that we should separate from the duopoly and take revolutionary action
i think we all have to admit that maybe electoralism and entryism were right and correct and valid
>>2848521In the big โ26
>usa electing leftists in Congress
>The global heckin south in latin America electing fascist after fascist the past few years
Your noble savage myth of the pure heckin wholesome global south is bullshit
>Regime changes!!!
No the latin Americans are straight up electing fascist over and over now
>>2848512>maybe newsome will win?Thatโs what worries me
>>2848513Fuck it man at this point the dead skunk could be taking aipac money and Iโd still think it was preferable to Schumer.
>>2848515She is the only contender you should vote for. Buttigieg and newsome deserve to be fed feet first into the wood chipper.
>>2848535>>2848540 (me)
im SO fucking sorry. wrong gif.
>>2848535They hate us cuz they anus.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1873/01/indifferentism.htm> โThe working class must not constitute itself a political party; it must not, under any pretext, engage in political action, for to combat the state is to recognize the state: and this is contrary to eternal principles. Workers must not go on strike; for to struggle to increase one's wages or to prevent their decrease is like recognizing wages: and this is contrary to the eternal principles of the emancipation of the working class!
>โIf in the political struggle against the bourgeois state the workers succeed only in extracting concessions, then they are guilty of compromise; and this is contrary to eternal principles. All peaceful movements, such as those in which English and American workers have the bad habit of engaging, are therefore to be despised. Workers must not struggle to establish a legal limit to the working day, because this is to compromise with the masters, who can then only exploit them for ten or twelve hours, instead of fourteen or sixteen. They must not even exert themselves in order legally to prohibit the employment in factories of children under the age of ten, because by such means they do not bring to an end the exploitation of children over ten: they thus commit a new compromise, which stains the purity of the eternal principles.
>โWorkers should even less desire that, as happens in the United States of America, the state whose budget is swollen by what is taken from the working class should be obliged to give primary education to the workers' children; for primary education is not complete education. It is better that working men and working women should not be able to read or write or do sums than that they should receive education from a teacher in a school run by the state. It is far better that ignorance and a working day of sixteen hours should debase the working classes than that eternal principles should be violated.
<It cannot be denied that if the apostles of political indifferentism were to express themselves with such clarity, the working class would make short shrift of them and would resent being insulted by these doctrinaire bourgeois and displaced gentlemen, who are so stupid or so naive as to attempt to deny to the working class any real means of struggle. For all arms with which to fight must be drawn from society as it is and the fatal conditions of this struggle have the misfortune of not being easily adapted to the idealistic fantasies which these doctors in social science have exalted as divinities, under the names of Freedom, Autonomy, Anarchy. However the working-class movement is today so powerful that these philanthropic sectarians dare not repeat for the economic struggle those great truths which they used incessantly to proclaim on the subject of the political struggle. They are simply too cowardly to apply them any longer to strikes, combinations, single-craft unions, laws on the labour of women and children, on the limitation of the working day etc., etc. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/09/08.htm>You know that the institutions, mores, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries – such as America, England, and if I were more familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland – where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm>We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy.
>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.
>Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.
>These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
>Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.>3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.>4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.>6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.>7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.>8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.>9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.>10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of childrenโs factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c. >>2848543>exclusive monopolyMarx was such a fucking tankie, itโs sad
>>2848548electoralism vindicated
Can I still be a true Marxist-Leninist if I have engaged in voting in the past?
Lenin forgive me, for I have voted.
>>2848514the FBA is such an obvious glowie psy op
>hey african americans, get mad and supremacist towards haitians and jamaicans NOW sincerely totally not bourgeois whitey hiding behind tariq nasheed >>2848563yeah sure go ahead fuck it nothing means anything
>>2848563i don't get why people ask questions like these. Like why do you as an individual matter to the movement. Why are you seeking approval from imageboard randos.
nobody cares if you voted in the past, or even if you vote in the future.
just stop
- making voting your sole strategy
- supporting the two main parties. (i literally don't give a FUCK if you vote for PSL or DSA or CPUSA as long as you aren't voting for democrats)
- the real long term goal is to build a militant party that is exclusively and explicitly for the working class, and uses both legal and nonlegal methods of struggle to constantly achieve real concrete goals.
>>2848518do the luigi or stfu
>noooooooooooooooooooo thats hecking adventurism, my goal is to scold voting and scold adventurism, and vaguely mumble "muh real movement muthafucka" whenever someone asks me what i'm doing >>2848476>So I said if we're going to hold groups of people accountable because of voting, then Black people are responsible for Bernie losing the 2020 primary at least because they swung for Biden. Truly retarded. Only a small minority of black people (6%) voted in 2016 democratic primary.
You know, I think all this post-modern trash turned this country into a joke. I love America and I'm proud of America despite the faults in our history. To me, America is the vanguard of mankind. Liberty, and justice, and truth for all. The first to ever do it. Obviously not without shortcomings and struggle. But America is probably the most progressive nation to ever exist, at least the most progressive that still exists. I think the English have been somewhat maybe the next progressive, but you look at their anthem and it's all about giving your life for King Charles or some stupid shit. America is the first nation that ever stood for any kind of ideals and the only one that survived undefeated until today. You can look at the patriotic songs of America and I think there is not one thing to correct. I think the only problem is America has lived short of its ideals and now in the present fully abandoned them.
Oh beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife
Who more than self, their country loved
And mercy more than life
America, America may God thy gold refine
'Til all success be nobleness
And every gain divined
And you know when I was in school
Oh beautiful, for spacious skies
For amber waves of grain
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain
But now wait a minute, I'm talking about
America, sweet America
You know, God done shed his grace on thee
He crowned thy good, yes he did, in brotherhood
From sea to shining sea
(America, America, God shed his grace on thee)
America, I love you America, you see
My God he done shed his grace on thee
And you oughta love him for it
'Cause he, he, he, he crowned thy good
He told me he would, with brotherhood
(From sea to shining Sea)
Oh Lord, oh Lord, I thank you Lord
(Shining sea)
>>2848590>I love America and I'm proud of America despite the faults in our history.95% of the existence of Amerikkka has been wartime. Get a grip. Destroy the cursed land of Babylon and Mammon
>>2848592Didn't the world get better in that time?
>>2848496But your entire party voted for Kamala
If socialism means being ruled over by rich NYC people then I'd rather just not
>>2848605But you will get more treats.
I mean, do you guys want to do some gangbanging shit, people getting killed in mysterious murders? Is this the path you want? This is feasible. A lot of people can be killed and the culprits never caught, but for what?
I don't give a fuck about NYC or it's politics. Rich coastal elites are not your allies.
>>2848499This is actually true. Jesse Jackson had heavy support from the black community overall but there was fear that he couldn't beat Reagan or Bush. Tragedy is if Jesse was only 20 years younger we could have had what people thought Obama was going to become
>>2848610And the percentage of the people charged are innocent of course.
>>2848612A * certain percentage of those charged and convicted.*
>>2848608>muh coastal eliteshistorically progressive force
You know, we are all so doxxed online, if it was me, I would find out where a target lived, look for their trash pickup schedule and then blast them out there when they take out the can.
>>2848440It is entertaining but I swear we are now going to have unironic electoral DSA shilling just like 2018
>>2848495It makes sense why they are freaking out about the black districts getting erased because those districts were political machined. Now what is going to end up happening is something new especially in the South where the blacks are not all holed up in one district. It will end up being a chunk of the population that more populist candidates who will try to gain black support and a bit of white support to win their elections. It will change the entire post-Civil Rights Act that has been in place since the 1970s and perhaps lead to a lot of changes. Even the NYC races showcases this
>>2848619You know, even better is just be in an out, break down the door, breach it with a shotgun on the locks or whatever, go blast their brains out, be in and out. I think that's optimal. Probably use incendiaries, interior situations can be tricky with no grenades.
>>2848623Also, just light the fucking domecile on fire and be prepared to shoot them when they come out, but you have to cover all the exits.
>>2848618Trvke we need to back to the countryside these NYC yankees
>>2848619>>2848623>>2848624What kind of glowie conversation is this
>>2848548<Xi Told Japanโs Abe He Wouldnโt Be a Communist If Born in the USXi would have lived a totally different life, and shaped by different material conditions, and life experiences.
Xi wouldn't be the man he is, without the cultural revolution, and the preexisting political culture, he lived in.
>>2848635I don't give a fuck, you and him are all lames, how about that?
My gooodness, I am an expert in what we can and can't do in the legalsphere,. I literally talked myself out of the handcuffs. We can do whatever. We can DO WHATEVER. Really, the sky is the limit. We can imprison all these faggots we choose.
>>2848638If the law won't accede to us, we can just enact our own justice and get away with it. That's how it is. It's so simple.
I'm really sorry being on the team of such cowards. You people are all absolute cowards.
>>2848642Gotta hand it to Houdini for posting about Palestine Action despite having an active case, and on the day the sentencing for the Prarieland crew happened to
>>2848644I dunno, what that's about, god bless him. I talked to the Houdini on the phone years ago but it didn't work out.
>>2848645I mean I still have his number if he still has the same. Maybe I should call him?
>>2848548Didn't Stalin say something once like "If I was born in the USA, I'd be a businessman"?
Let's get it going, I will make the CPUSA, Felix, Houdini, Ginjeet, get along. You know I know a lot of these people on a personal level. I have facetimes ginjeet lol. He is a cool dude. I had a brief phonecall with Houdini.
>>2848650I will never get along with anarchists or fascists and that is because I am an actual principled Communist. None of you have any idea what that's like.
>>2848656I already know which one you are Felix LMAO, you don't beef with me and I have no beef with you and I do agree with a lot of your positions.
>>2848644Still have not seen any coverage of Palestine Action vandalizing the CEO's house anywhere but his site
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