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>>2843648>>2845863>This isn't Tsarist Russia in the early 20th century dum dum. You guys are as retarded as Christians. Your gospel has no relevance to our current situation.so adapt your tactics for the times instead of just giving up and resorting to electoralism.
not enough people support you? there's already a long history of revolutionaries building local support by forcing the government to bomb its own cities or forcing the government to engage in "bad PR" moves. even shit like using female comrades for critical missions to exploit the public's bias towards female innocence is very effective at swaying the public. look at rosa parks.
too much mass surveillance? there's a massive amount of public information available for breaking surveillance and even utilizing it against your enemies by feeding false information. most anti-surveillance tech is very cheap or can be built with spare parts. this has the added effect of eliminating something the enemy has gotten extremely reliant on. how would police coordinate if they could no longer rely on police radios?
the masses don't have arms parity with the government? well no shit retard, but just disseminating guides on making IED's, improvised gas masks, and signal jammers would go a long way to solving the parity gap. the US military is bloated and full of ineffective hyper-specialized weapons that suck ass outside of their extremely specific use case. you don't need that shit. you don't even need a navy or an air force to win an insurgency. just make it unsafe or unviable for the enemy to use such disproportionate force by basing yourself in major cities that the enemy is economically dependent on.
if you encounter a barrier to revolution why should the response be to just give up?
>>2845869>not enough people support you? there's already a long history of revolutionaries building local support by forcing the government to bomb its own cities LMAO. You fucking faggot retards.
>Just kill your whole family so?….My fucking god. I hate you people so much. The mods keep banning me too just for suggesting you people not be retards. I'm like caught halfway between the liberals who say: "let's just keep going on as it is and it will all work itself out." and the Marxists who say: "when the government collapses we will form our militias and overcome all other armed forces in this country and create a Marxist Leninist Vanguard State!" I don't believe either and I lean more to the lib side to be honest.
>>2845876if you aren't willing to make sacrifices for revolution then you don't get revolution. that's just objective truth.
>>2845876>im stuck between the libs and the marxists but i side with the libsreally?
>>2845877oh you're the anti juche cop who spams those threads
>>2845879Well, these people on this board will tell you that Marxism or whatever is just about rational self-interest, sacrifice is not rational self-interest. I would. I could be Luigi Manginone or something but what would that solve? Get fucking real. You people are fucking dumb. Your enemies are not dumb. It's that simple.
>>2845881>Your enemies are not dumb.they tanked the global economy for a futile war against Iran just because a country of 10 million fascists paid Trump a few million dollars. you're overestimating the enemy's invincibility.
the US navy lost to the Houthis. the Houthis are not technologically superior to the average American. You are a retard pushing defeatism just because you don't understand that class struggle is meant to be a struggle. there is no such thing as a bloodless revolution. victims of the enemy are martyrs fighting to free mankind from tyranny. their will for justice against their murderers will be inherited by those who live on. you are just a coward, and thats ok, but don't pretend like your cowardly nature is based on marxism.
>>2845883And yet you are two steps behind them.
> You are a retard pushing defeatism just because you don't understand that class struggle is meant to be a struggle. there is no such thing as a bloodless revolution. victims of the enemy are martyrs fighting to free mankind from tyranny. their will for justice against their murderers will be inherited by those who live on. you are just a coward, and thats ok, but don't pretend like your cowardly nature is based on marxism.So what have you done?
>>2845884>So what have you done?What is the point of this question exactly? Admitting you lost the argument?
guys cant we all be friends ๐๐๐๐
>>2845888I mean how does your argument correlate with any action other than characters on this website? I mean you have to understand that this numeric code and etc. does not create any change in the physical world right?
Donโt post about treatlers or third worldism unless you can prove youโve killed a first worlder
>>2845890why not? if fascists are using the internet to coordinate destroying the planet by flooding it with AI and misinformation why can't we use the internet to coordinate doing good things?
but more to my point, why would you ask someone who opposes the government on a clearnet website what revolutionary activity they've been up to? it's just painting yourself as a glowie or trying to get your supposed "comrades" to dox themselves and get them arrested. very sus behavior if you ask me.
>>2845876>and I lean more to the lib side to be honest.We can see that.
>>2845893>>2845894You faggots are doing nothing at all and never will LMAO.
>>2845896Yupp, you will overcome the armed forces of the USA through posting lmao.
Let's talk on a real level now. No more LARP, none of us will ever aim a gun at any police officer or soldier of this country in our lifetime.
>>2845899I will applaud you anon. I promise you, please kill a cop or cops tomorrow, then I will print out your photo and worship you with my forehead to the floor. I will post these pictures online. I am a coward, you are not. You will kill these police officers and I will worship you for doing it.
>>2845898how do you know this for a fact? i'm sure lots of people said the same thing in every past country that had a revolution.
>don't bother resisting>don't even talk about resistance it's a waste of time>none of you will do shit>the system is bad but people dying to end it would be worse>you'll never defeat the police/military so just give upetcetcetc
do you guys not realize your entire argument is based on conditions never changing and remaining stagnant forever? this is undialectical "end of history" nonsense. meanwhile the argument of revolutionaries is that conditions CAN be changed.
>>2845900nobody is advocating for commiting random unorganized and aimless acts of violence itt, maybe you're a little confused
>>2845902Interesting. What are you "advocating" for and why aren't you just doing it?
>>2845901You, too, why not just do it? What is stopping you? Why post here about it? Isn't that just self-defeating? Don't you want the element of surprise?
>>2845884>And yet you are two steps behind them.woah, the people with all the money and power are more organized than the people without either. that's crazy. tell me more.
>>2845906>woah, the people with all the money and power are more organized than the people without either. that's crazy. tell me more.Whoah, you got me, life's unfair. Fuck it, let's pack it up, let's tell the tell the world to pack it up. What is anyone struggling for? The world is unfair. Obviously we all just agree to reset it and then make it fair.
>>2845904>You, too, why not just do it? What is stopping you? Why post here about it? Isn't that just self-defeating? Don't you want the element of surprise?because revolution requires mass movement and that involves communicating your vision to the masses, ostensibly through social media these days, and leftypol is a decent place for finding other leftists that could participate in "online activism" even if they don't want to get their hands dirty.
it's kind of funny there are so many revolutions and civil wars going on around the world these days and american leftists could be studying them for how to utilize modern technology and social media for mass movement but they just insist revolution is impossible and give up lol. unironically i think if you are too cowardly to engage in real world violence even just communicating optimism and doing your part in spreading revolutionary knowledge on the platforms people are on(tiktok, facebook, twitter, etc) is invaluable in swaying public consciousness.
>>2845908>This is a communist imageboard, if you're seriously asking this question then I have reasons to believe you're just some turbolib that hasn't even read Lenin, though that can also be inferred by your individualistic understanding of action, obsession with protecting the status quo and the juxtaposition of being very smug and very retarded.Seriously faggot. I mean really. What the fuck are you talking about. I know what a "communist imageboard" means. I know you are an anorexic faggot who has never fired a firearm and would injure herself if he did.
>>2845911turn your monitor on
>>2845913It is on, now what? Are you going to post a picture of you not being an anorexic faggot?
>>2845914we dont sign our posts here
>>2845915Anorexic faggot, I know you, you type like one, LMAO.
revved that doo
Hear me out, but what if, but what if we we defeated the US military, with like 100, 200, maybe 3000 guys tops, we just go buy AR-15s and then we just defeat the government like that. Why the fuck has nobody ever done it?
BREAKING: THE DSA HAS CALLED AN IMMEDIATE NATIONWIDE STRIKE CALLING FOR THE CESSATION OF THE GENOCIDAL BLOCKADE OF CUBA
oh never mind they're endorsing candidates that want to expand the USA-Israel military
IT'S TIME TO LOG THE FUCK OFF LEFTYPOL AND PICK A MISSION
Mission A
Within the next 3 months, recruit 10 coworkers into a weekly political study and organizing group, hold at least 12 meetings, and collectively identify and carry out one workplace-based collective action campaign.
Mission B
Over the next 6 months, have one-on-one organizing conversations with 50 working-class people in your community, maintain contact with at least 20 of them, and help form a durable local committee that meets at least twice per month.
Mission C
Within the next 4 months, complete a certified first-aid/trauma-response course, go to a shooting range with 5 comrades, and help organize a 5-comrade mutual-aid emergency response network that can be contacted within 30 minutes during a community crisis.
Mission D
Within the next 2 months go to at least 12 local parks and home construction sites, and bring a geiger counter with you, to test them for radiation. If they have radiation, expose this to the public to create local outrage against the ruling class.
Mission E
Within the next year, educate yourself on the art of demolitions and remove at least 1 piece of imperialist infrastructure used to commit or aid genocide.
What mission while I be choosing? Well, you see, I am actually the next Lenin so I will be giving speeches and wearing nice suits. You will wear the Budenovka and die in the trench, you see. Thank you comrade for your service.
>>2845952what if I'm a hikkiNEET with no job and no comrades?
the geiger counter one sounds kind of funny for generating mass panic though so I might do it.
>>2845953>the geiger counter one sounds kind of funny for generating mass panicit's a completely legitimate form of agitation because local radiation statistics are often under-reported, mis-reported, etc.
>>2845953Mission F
Find 1 friend in the next 2 weeks. Hang out with them twice.
Mission G
Get a job within the next 2 months. Put out at least 30 applications, or roughly 1 application every two days.
>>2845954i think water/soil toxicity is more relevant than radiation tho isn't it? radiation is a pretty minor issue.
>>2845956true but that's harder to test and get immediate data on.
>>2845958>true but that's harder to test and get immediate data on.can't you just do it by taking soil/water samples and using an online tutorial?
>>2845957the only problem with being NEET is women won't reproduce with me because they're bigoted against NEETs. how am i supposed to destroy the social safety net to induce revolution if i can't have kids? we should be copying what those orthodox jews do and have dozens of kids who refuse to participate in society or join the military or work and just drain the state's resources. but w*men won't let me breed.
>>2845962>If you were a woman would you want to get pregnant by a person who is neither employed, nor educated, nor training, then carry that baby through nine months of regular OBGYN appointments, then give birth to that baby, in a country where the average pregnancy from beginning to birth costs about $15,000?sure, why not?
hospital bills are optional.
>>2845965so if a girl wanted to have your children would you reject her for being a NEET?
And remember, it's not just America, world socialism is what hangs in the balance. Nobody can defeat the Americans or create socialism in their country while the US government exists. It is only Americans in America who have the power to defeat the US government in armed struggle.
I'm headed into DC today folks, I'll report back on how much they've fucked up our capital city
>>2846052just have virgina incorporate DC and make St Louis the capital tbh
>>2846052I've been there a couple times recently and the White House and the pool are definitely the most fucked up parts, and there's a bunch of random construction going on, and there's a banner of Trump's ugly face on the DoJ building. Everything else looks pretty normal. Lincoln Memorial is thankfully untouched (for now).
>>2845869I feel like pointing the US government did bomb its own populace multiple times and it didn't drive revolutionary sentiment, it just got people killed and ended a movement in one instance and got used in a court case in another
>>2846100>material conditions are static and never change over timetry reading marx
>>2846104Marxism is a science so you can use the results of movements of the past to inform your current situation, but also material conditions change over time so the results of the past aren't applicable now.
You can just switch between these based on whatever's convenient for your argument at the moment.
>The Responsible Powers
>Each of the three is the strongest actor in its region, and each contends with an adversary that treats the threshold of escalation as an instrument of policy. That combination produces a shared trait whose importance is hard to overstate โ the capacity to read the strategic environment and to respond to it. Not to deny it, not to slow-walk it, not to wait for someone else to provide security. Simply to respond.
>This is not self-evident. Many states, including powerful ones, struggle at precisely this point. Japan is an economic and technological powerhouse, yet remarkably slow to translate strategic understanding into a change of policy. Britain talks at length about the threats before it but struggles to organize against them at the required pace. South Korea, by contrast, adapts quickly โ its defense planning treats the threat across the border as a live variable, not a historical fixture. Germany, which for decades leaned on the American umbrella and on Russian gas, at least now understands that it must prepare: its 2022 Zeitenwende and the subsequent surge in defense spending mark a genuine, if still incomplete, reorientation. And Israel translates its reading of reality into action almost daily, because it has no other choice.
<For Israel, the guarantees once thought unconditional have shown their limits in the most public way imaginable: in the middle of the campaign, the United States signaled โ openly โ that Israel risked being left to act alone. The common thread is not abandonment but finitude: American attention is a finite resource, and each of these states is learning to plan as though it cannot be assumed indefinitely. Coordination among strong regional actors stops being a pleasant luxury and becomes a necessity.https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-responsible-powers/ >>2846100Do you mean the colonies? They not amerikan.
>>2846108marxism is simply a METHOD midwit
You think you have more of a shot at overthrowing this government than slave owners that owned half the money in this country and had British support?
>>2846112>british supportterrible bait
>>2846114The confederacy was British backed, this is historical fact
>>2846118We deserve fresher bait!!!!!
>>2846111It is whatever it needs to be at the current moment for the sake of argumentation.
>Iran famous for not having electricity and lighting candles in daylight.
I like these comics because it shows the absolute racism of the entire usa
>>2846120Are you British or a dixie retard nvm same thing
how do you american """communists""" reconcile with the fact that you live your whole lives doing absolutely nothing to fight your terrorist imperialist entity.
i understand how one lives a normal civilian life like that. but as a suypposed """""communist""""" how are you so chilled…..
i guess it is quite comfortable for you…….. and ther eis no rush……. at your ease………… …. … … …. .. ..we …. ca.n … wait …
>>2846122malding and trying to hide it
>>2846126Because struggling before the technology is there that would naturally force the change is to repeat all the mistakes of the Weather Underground
>>2846127What's there to mald about? I pointed out that part of this idea was already tried (unintentionally) and it went nowhere, and you gave a complete non-answer. "Material conditions change!" Well no shit sherlock, what material conditions, how have they changed in such a way that I should believe it would be useful now when it wasn't then?
For that matter, why shouldn't I apply the exact same line of "material conditions change" to explain why the strategies Lenin discounted back then aren't applicable now? Marxism doesn't give you the right to just say random fucking shit and then justify it with the magic words "material conditions", despite what 90% of this board fervently believes.
>>2846149>What's there to mald about? <followed up with two paragraphs of rage imagine citing 20th century events to argue the state could never again be counterproductive in quashing revolutions
>>2846146Nihilism caused by economic decline and domino'd to every metric
>>2846146Completely rational responses to COVID tbh
>>2846161Money went up but only a little bit, I think covid showed just how fractured the nation really is, how much people are willing to throw each other under the bus to get what they want.
Religion going down is interesting though. It strongly suggests the religious community's respons to covid did not help out unlike most times where people turn to religion which takes advantage of it.
>>2846149where the fuck did you even find this image?
>>2846175>Barracks communismdisgusting
>>2845907I'm not the same anon I just thought that was a dumb argument. Being behind them doesn't prove anything except that there's more to be done.
>>2846071there are a lot of guys like this in the enlisted ranks btw
>>2846180>doooood communism is just like my neo-nazi space wizard propaganda made for literal children!You deserve to be shot and I hope a communist does just that to you
>>2846180>Put down the keyboard and dig the fucking hole.show us how its done then!
>>2846191who are you quoting.
>>2846194at least you replied to what they actually said instead of finding something unrelated to complain about.
>>2846203It is neo nazi propaganda, made for literal children. Do not besmirch the good name of the Bolsheviks, of the Cheka, of the Red Army, with this soyllenial filth made for bloodthirsty neo nazi zionists such as yourself. The vast majority of Americans are bloodthirsty and willing collaborators in the plunder of the third world to make your Soy Wars toys, you sick Soyllenial pedophile.
>>2846210>Vast majorityFactory status?
>>2846210>It is neo nazi propaganda, made for literal children.It's an allegory for the Vietnam War and anti-colonial struggle. The Empire is America. This has been said explicitly by George Lucas.
>>2846211Wouldn't you like to know, Agent? I assure you my cadres and I have shed far more reactionary blood than you Strasserites ever will, and when we come knocking, you will die screaming, begging for our mercy as we give you what you finally deserve.
>>2846212>I take a billionaire toy merchant at his word.And you are a bloodthirsty imperialist who served as an elite babykiller as well.
USAtanists! We don't want you on this board! We don't want you on your stolen land! We don't care what class you think you are! We don't care what you think your "relation to the means of production" is! Your entire country was founded on rape, genocide, slavery, betrayal of treaties, wars of annexation, etc. You were imperialists before you came under the influence of Zionism, and you will remain imperialist after every last Zionist, man, woman, and child, is turned to ashes for their crimes. Truth be told you didn't come under the influence of zionism, you were the influence for Zionism AND Nazism. Manifest Destiny is Lebensraum. Manifest Destiny is Greater Israel. Your puritan ancestors were the original zionists. And I don't care if you're African-American and your ancestors were brought over as a slave. You have been a collaborator since the Civil War, and even more of a collaborator since the Civil Rights Movement. You have never fought for indigenous sovereignty, only for equality with your former masters. And I definitely don't care if you came Europe after the civil war. You are still guilty. Moving to America after the Genocide was finished and Slavery ended, is like moving to Israel for the kibbutz right now. You let others do the crimes so you could benefit. You are just a more cowardly than average settler. Total Settleroid Death. I don't want you to go back home. I want you to die. Do you understand? There is no convincing me that you are a class ally or even a decent human being. Your individual characteristics do not matter. Only liberals believe in individualism, trial by jury of peers, presumption of innocence, etc. Communists understand that entire populations of people, especially settleroids, can be guilty from birth. Including the children. Stop hiding behind your anchor babies, settleroids. I don't want your "reparations" anymore. Just kill yourself painlessly now with a bullet, a rope, or a long fall, and save yourself from the righteous torture of my cadres. There is no peace treaty. You don't get to become the good guy in the third act. I don't care if you betray the empire starting now. You won't be spared. There is literally nothing you can do to change my mind about you. Even if you kill yourself I will still piss and shit on your corpse given the chance. You deserve to be raped and tortured but you have the opportunity to spare yourself by suicide. But we will never ever ever remember you as anything less than collectively guilty murderers. Your time of evil is over.
>but my ancestors did that, not me, i'm one of the good heckin ones
boo hoo(Stinky)
>>2846216Excellent post, comrade, especially this part:
>You don't get to become the good guy in the third act. I don't care if you betray the empire starting now. You won't be spared. There is literally nothing you can do to change my mind about you.I want Americans to understand that our goal is your total psychological and physical torment leading up to your death. We want this post to make you even more defensive, to make you double down on your imperialism, racism, chauvinism, petty bourgeois aspirations, treatlerism, and everything wrong that you do. The last thing we want is confused Americans trying to make amends with us. Pathetic. Own up that you've already picked your side. If this spikes your cortisol and makes you want to cry: Good. If this makes you laugh: Good. If this makes you angry: Good. If this makes you feel nothing: Good.
We don't care how you feel or what you think you are compared to our description of you.
The worst USAnos are the ones who think they can "solidarity" their way out of their Valid Target status by being performative anti-imperialists. The shooting of the two Zionists by Elias Rodriguez at the Capital Jewish Museum? Unimpressive. Iron Felix? Every bit as unimpressive as AOCIA. There are no good Americans. You can go out and shoot 20 zionists tomorrow and I will not "forgive" you because I am not a Christcuck anti-communist like you. Your destruction is historical necessity, and recognition of historical necessity is what Engels defines as Free Will. I have Free Will because I am going to kill you, and I am never going to forgive you. You will not take my Free Will away.
>>2846219go fetch the water bottle you destroyed making this slop
>>2846213Do your cadres know you ejaculate on photos of world leaders
>>2846214You're a fed sent to make everyone think socialists are retarded.
>>2846222Those are spurious allegations made the gang stalking neo nazis on this board ,such as Myles, "Gay Nazi" (he admits it) and "sabotage" tabby (a literal self admitted saboteur of leftism).
They are all Sorelians, Strasserites, Neo nazis, tsarists, zionists.
>>2846223>I hate womenWomen hold up half the sky, and Communist women will tear apart half your corpse.
>>2846224You literally call yourself "Sabotage" tabby. It is pure projection.
>>2846226Only thing getting torn apart is your boi pussy.
>>2846228Sabotage of bourgeois property to increase pressure on porky during a strike. The worst thing a defending of the ruling class like yourself can imagine.
>>2846230>boi pussy.not man pussy? strange thing to say, jeffrey epstein
>>2846231>Sabotage of bourgeois property to increase pressure on porky during a strike.a likely story. the righteous tortures of the cadres will get you to confess that you really intended to sabotage communism.
>The worst thing a defending of the ruling class like yourself can imagine.pure projection from a bloodthirsty servant of imperialism
>>2846235you nerds think everyone who opposes you is this "iron felix" but I assure you there is more than one of us.
You settlers don't magically become non settlers after enough generations. You think in terms of magic.
Americans don't really believe in "free speech" btw since they'll kill, torture, or censor anyone who says anything negative about them.
>>2846238>So we've established that these retarded trolls don't want us to do anything. Not even fight the government because that would be pretending to be good guysyou put words in our mouth shityank. even one of you dying to gain 1 centimeter of territory would be more than welcome but you are too busy being defensive of your lifetime of collaboration
shittyanks
Are third worldists the edgiest tryhards in existence? Even /pol/ is not this bad.
>>2846247> Even /pol/ is not this bad.of course a bloodthirsty imperialist and defender of the rape and plunder of the third world would compare the victims of amerikkka fighting back with neo nazi nihilist imageboards funded by mossad.
>>2846251Stfu opioid addict
prediction: every based and correct post from this thread will be removed for hurting zionist american "feelings" (really, they feel nothing and only weaponize the appearance of emotion like a mask)
>>2846252you and your angloshityank ilk poisoned china with the opium wars. you deserve the fentanyl overdoses as reparations
>>2846253Don't worry, that guy that use to archive these threads has already archived you spamming the same shit hundreds of times already.
>>2846255Yes I am aware you feds archive everything I am saying in your personal little dossier while hiding it from the public
>>2846254>you and your angloshityank ilk poisoned china with the opium warsOkay dude, sure.
>Wahhh wahhh wahhh give me attention!
>every time I cry you must give me attention!
What kind of upbringing causes a person to become like this?
>>2846259as always the strategy of DSSA is vote bloo no matter who's red blood it sheds outside the hallowed borders of the amerikkkan reich
>>2846260it is true history, but of course you don't know any of that.
>>2846261communism seeks the attention of the proletariat through education, agitation, and organization. sorry you hate communism. we will deal with you when the time comes.
>>2846264No Iโm aware, I just think your perspective is too dogshit to fully engage with.
>>2846216Finally, some actual fucking Communism
This shit has to be some kind of false flag troll right? Maybe AI even? There's no way this is a real human being.
>>2846275>everyone who calls out my bloodthirsty anti communism is not a real humanof course the neo nazi zionist settleroid reflexively dehumanizes everyone who sees him for the shrieking demon in human form that he is
>>2846275Either way, they are a complete tool
>>2846278you are a willing and gleeful tool of imperialism
i'm so sick of these shitskin turd worldists shitting up this thread. honestly platner is right. we should bomb these jewish niggers to kingdom cum
>>2846281A rare honest yank. Would be nice if Sabofaggot would be this upfront with what he truly believes
I hate chuds
I hate glowies
I hate third worldists
Chomsky just died today
>>2846284As a council communist, good.
>>2846284he was a zionist settleroid epsteinite and i piss on his grave harder than thatcher
Chomsky deadJune 21, 2026
Renowned Linguist and Activist Noam Chomsky Dies at 97
BOSTON โ Noam Chomsky, the world-famous linguist, philosopher, cognitive scientist, and fierce critic of power structures, has died today at the age of 97.
According to his family, Chomsky passed away peacefully at his home in Lexington, Massachusetts, from complications related to the severe stroke he suffered in June 2023, one of the major health challenges he had been battling in recent years. He had been under constant medical care and was largely unable to speak or engage in public life following the stroke, which significantly impaired his mobility and communication abilities.
Chomskyโs wife, Valeria Wasserman Chomsky, issued a brief statement: โNoam fought with extraordinary intellect and moral clarity throughout his life. Even in his final years, his spirit remained unbroken. We are grateful for the decades he shared with us and the profound impact he left on the world.โ
A Transformative Legacy
Born in Philadelphia in 1928, Avram Noam Chomsky revolutionized the field of linguistics with his theory of generative grammar and universal grammar, fundamentally shaping our understanding of language acquisition and the human mind. His 1957 book *Syntactic Structures* is widely regarded as one of the most important works in 20th-century linguistics.
Beyond academia, Chomsky became one of the most influential political dissidents of his era. He was a relentless critic of U.S. foreign policy, media propaganda (notably in *Manufacturing Consent*, co-authored with Edward S. Herman), capitalism, and imperialism. His lectures, books, and interviews inspired generations of activists, scholars, and thinkers across the political spectrum.
Chomsky authored over 150 books and remained intellectually active well into his 90s, though his health declined sharply after the 2023 stroke. In this alternate timeline, he is survived by his wife, children, and grandchildren.
Reactions Pour In
World leaders, academics, and activists have reacted swiftly:
- Brazilian President Luiz Inรกcio Lula da Silva, who visited Chomsky during his recovery in Sรฃo Paulo, called him โa giant of critical thought whose voice against injustice will echo forever.โ
- Noam Chomsky Institute for Intellectual Freedom (fictional in this timeline) announced plans for a major memorial conference.
- Critics and supporters alike acknowledged his polarizing but undeniably towering influence on global discourse.
Flags at MIT, where Chomsky taught for decades, are being lowered to half-staff.
>>2846294he was a jewish nigger
>>2846294this guy hung out with epstein and probably fucked dozens of kids
peak jewish nigger
>>2846245she deserved it for being weak. god has blessed america
>>2846254Delusional uyghur
>>2846306say the American proletariat is part of the bourgeoisie because they are settlers or something, it's a certified Sakai classic
>>2846236>You settlers don't magically become non settlers after enough generations. genuine question, when do we kick the anglo-saxons out of england?
>>2846234After the revolution your alliance with the ruling class will be revealed. It will be proven that you are an agent provocateur sent to disrupt the iron discipline of the workers. You are a court jester sent to mock the socialist cause and destroy the faith of the masses in communism via maximum buffoonery. You will be tried, found guilty, and justly sentenced. You are Epstein. You are imperialist. You are treatler.
>>2846236Constantinople is rightful Greek clay
>>2846333i appreciate channel 5 because they show true average mundane normal society mainly in the USA but also in other countries. he shows how tacky, unsophisticated, superficial, shallow, cheap, vulgar, and most importantly advertisement riddled and corporate controlled it is. this is the pathetic reality of USA pop culture everyday life and you wouldn't think it from watching mainstream news
>>2846401>this is the pathetic reality of USA pop culture everyday life and you wouldn't think it from watching mainstream newswdym mainstream news constantly celebrates tacky low brow consumerism
>>2846236Sooo Native Americans should cross the Bering Strait again?
>>2845968Yes. We have a kid btw, and we both have jobs.
>>2846412>The native americans are le asiansFrom Mosley to Sorel. The fascist pipeline is clear for this man lmao
>>2846421Clearly they just sprouted from the ground like stalks of corn.
>>2846401>>2846403in wolfenstein there's a nazi stormtrooper who yells at some KKK guys for butchering the beautiful german tongue and sometimes talking to people on here I get the same vibe of
>how dare you draw lenin as a superhero punching the tsar, you are butchering my beautiful socialist realism
>how dare you make communist rap, you are butchering my beautiful soviet orchestra >>2846423>No one is a settlerIsraelis are not settlers
>>2846216>Your entire country was founded on rape, genocide, slavery, betrayal of treaties, wars of annexation, etcLikeโฆ all countries? The states are created with the violence
What about the half-White half-natives or some other combination there of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_quantum_lawshttps://www.voanews.com/a/usa_some-native-americans-fear-blood-quantum-formula-paper-genocide/6208615.htmlSome tribes have as low a requirement of blood quantum as 1/4. Do these people get to stay?
>>2846435I should get a shirt that says billions must die and wear it in public. I figure it'll be similar to wearing a virginity rocks shirt.
>>2846435>>2846220the white selfhate make me awsful
>>2846433Reasonable for millennia as a staple or the Zionist excuse where they were originally there has validity.
>>2846437First Nations get the self determination to do that
>>2846446>their form of rule is mostly democratic, and given that they are fond of plundering, they consequently choose the boldest men as rulersthe britons were NAZBOL GANG
>>2846445What if they just let full blood white people stay?
>>2846429>No one is a settlerShit nobody said.
>>2846446its so retard use the argument of Who got there first.
The humanity is in continue migration. And who create the institutions, culture, economy, arquitecture, art, music, literature, etc?
Guess….. Yeah, white (and blacks) americans generally. The people make a nation not a piece of territory
>Also >>2846451nope. you're not listening. the animals gotta deport all humans back to africa. cope.
hitler stayed in germany so he was adolf hitler.
amerikkka? they are playgolf settler.
>>2846435alt-/pol/ is a better position than anti-/pol/ imo. providing leftists an outlet for shitposting is better than trying to conduct ourselves like yet another left-wing academic newspaper where the editorial board controls any and all discourse.
leftism rooted in hierarchy is just in general extremely lame. i don't want to hang out with people who won't let me be crude and sincere.
>>2846456most shitposting is insincere false flagging and trolling thoughever
>>2846454all m*mm*ls need to be forcibly relocated to hydrothermal vents at the bottom of the ocean
>>2846459all matter gotta retvrn to the pre-big-bang singularity NAO!!!1!
>>2846457i wouldn't say that's the case necessarily but we can target insincerity on its own without having a no-fun-allowed environment. sometimes all it takes is asking someone to elaborate their position to see they weren't being insincere but just not taking themselves seriously and shitposting is mentally easier than writing an essay.
>>2846444Dude is claiming "we're all settlers" and my family's been in the U.S. for unironically ~250 years (Scottish indentured servants, arrived either a year before or after independence, bought out of their contract and became farmers) so when's the magical point someone ceases to be a "settler"?
>>2846450You got offended about white Amerikkkans being settlers. Truth hurts
>>2846462>250 years of settlerism and violence UK will love to take you back
>>2846462So what? The are hundred of years establish in there
>>2846465Again: what's the magical number of years when someone ceases to be a "settler"?
>>2846468Ask the boers who are settlers to this day. They have been there longer than your settlers ancestors and still are materially settlers.
>>2846469when do we send the anglo-saxons back to germany
>>2846412we don't want to answer your questions. we want you to die
>>2846462>cross burning scottish settler and proudyour reign of terror ends here
>>2846450it is what you implied, settler
>>2846433>made up shit nobody said<responded with more made up shit>made up a reply to the fake replywow great job, a triple strawman
>>2846468if they assimilate with the native population.
that's it.
the fact boers, americans, israelis, etc refuse to assimilate with the native population is why they're settlers.
>>2846480the british today must get in the bog?
>>2846480you are false flagging crackkker settler. we don't want assimilation. we want total settler death
>>2846461you can't target insincerity because you can't read people's minds
>>2846435you cry when settlers get called out
>>2846480But is something natural that diferent ethnics cant live in same territory AKA multiiculturalism, look the case of yugoslavia
Besides revolution, what do we do about the fact this country is an opp to its people? Whites, blacks, indigenous, asian, hispanics. We're literally all worse off and dumber, and fatter, and sicker mentally and physically because of this place.
>>2846223>Mad MenFascist Treatlerite show just like Andor, The Expanse, Arcane, Mr. Robot, and Babylon 5
>>2846484then might as well leave the issue alone and let people troll to their hearts content so long as its left-wing trolling.
>>2846491wrong. you are fat treatlerite who lives like king while children mine minerals for you.
>>2846468>>2846462When their relation to the world around them ceases to be that of a settler's. In other words, when they stop being giant assholes.
>>2846490so the settlers should leave.
you aren't entitled to invade someone else's country and colonize it.
this holds true for immigrants too tbqh. if you can't assimilate you just shouldn't be there.
>>2846497go back to europe white chimp
every eurocracker and their slaves they brought over must go back to europe and africa. every jew must go back too.
>but i'm heckin mixed i'm 0.0000001% native
nobody cares
>but if i go back after 200 years they'll treat me like an immigrant invader
good. i hope they treat you that way.
>but i'm mixed settleroid and I'm both african and european, which one do I go back to
nobody cares. saw yourself in half for all i give a shit
>why are you so mean
suck it up buttercup
>>2846500purged from palestine yes. go back to europe you european colonizer
>>2846499i'm arab lol
>>2846462that's a lot of words for shilling for democrats
>>2846502>i'm arab lolgulf arab child rapist oil shiek burger settler. i hope iran bombs you after you go back. land back now
>>2846502Jews faced persecution and anti-semitism in no small amount along the lines that they were not native to the area and "refused to assimilate". So by this "antisettler" logic, the Holocaust was actually pretty justified as far as the jweish population went.
>>2846508
LLM response.
if you think proletarian dictatorship, abolishing imperialism and the parasite state, exporting industry to the global south, a transformation to an ecological needs-economy problematic in any way, get the fuck out of my board
>>2846497All nation is created with violence, the native americans cant defend """"""""them""""" land. And the never create anyone of american institutions
>>2846506jews had to have come from somewhere. why don't they go back to it?
and no the holocaust was not justified because no amount of anti-settler logic should override your humanity. being a colonizer doesn't make you worthy of a death sentence. it should get you deported at most.
>>2846524Your father and granfather are reactionaries?
>>2846527>jews had to have come from somewhere. why don't they go back to it?Isn't that the entire point of zionism?
>being a colonizer doesn't make you worthy of a death sentenceCertainly doesn't seem to be how it goes, they don't leave.
>>2846530>Isn't that the entire point of zionism?no the point of zionism is jewish racial supremacy and genocide. it was an inherently colonialist ideology looking to replicate american racial colonization somewhere else for jews.
>>2846527>being a colonizer doesn't make you worthy of a death sentence. it should get you deported at most.That was the Nazis original plan, but nobody wanted to take them. What do you do in that scenario? Put them in camps?
>>2846534Oh okay, so which place should we send all the jews to so they can start depopulating the rest of the planet of jews along ethnic lines so that everyone can have their ethnostate, and presumably just do another mass murder of the locals again? Do we just have them go to Iraq and Ur as pointed out here
>>2846513 and let them take over homes in Baghdad?
>>2846532>What if the people of Ur don't want them back?maybe they should ask themselves why that is and go colonize the pacific ocean
>>2846535deport them anyway. it's not your problem really. so long as they aren't in germany the nazis shouldn't have cared where they ended up.
>>2846535>WW2 revisionismthe nazis deported jews and tons of other people. the nazis didn't care whether the places they were deporting to "wanted" the deportees. They even deported to palestine.
>>2846524I grilled a bunch of Korean food for mine
>>2846542I didn't say they didn't deport anyone. Obviously they didn't manage to deport everyone. And yes they very much considered how much they would alienate the Arabs if they sent them all there. You can look it up.
>>2846537why don't jews ever attempt to assimilate?
like why do they do shit like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatzalahhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim_(neighborhood_watch_group)why do they insist on segregating themselves everywhere they go?
like that's the core issue, isn't it? even in nazi germany the reason the nazis singled out jews is because they had their own network of banks and lenders and employers to shield themselves from the economic crises facing the rest of the country and germans were easily manipulated into resenting their jewish neighbors as a result. if jews just stopped insisting on isolating themselves from the goyim they wouldn't be expelled all the time lol.
At this point just kill everyone, black bears have a better chance of moving history forward
Humans donโt have the level of cognition needed for socialism
socialism cannot be achieved until we acknowledge that sex is a human right and that i am owed a girlfriend.
>>2846552Iโm a radical centrist, weโll use universal healthcare so you can get a rib or two removed so you can suck your own dick
>>2846554i am entitled to sexual and romantic fulfillment. sucking my own dick will not achieve that because i am not gay. but gay men should have their rib removal surgeries paid for by the state so they can feel fulfilled. and trans women should have their srs surgeries covered as well. everyone deserves to be happy. the state should pay a beautiful asian or blasian girl a living wage to be my wife ideally, but if that's not possible then they should at least give me a monthly voucher to see a prostitute.
The global south shall rise again.
>>2846556Itโs not gay to suck your own dick, if it was, jacking off is gay because you, a man, are giving yourself a handjob
>>2846546yeah so once we get rid of the Jews, the Real Germans can thrive and we don't even have to worry about things like class struggle anymore, because we've dealt with the Real Class Struggle of Settlerism and assimilationism. Good to know the real purpose of the left is Blood and Soil nationalism that has to go back hundreds to thousands of years to work.
>>2846559but sucking my own dick won't leave me feeling fulfilled just as jacking off does not leave me feeling fulfilled. if i received a handjob from a girl it becomes a totally different situation despite being the same act. the emotional fulfillment just cannot be achieved through masturbating no matter how you masturbate. sex is by definition a multiplayer activity.
All reactionary races will be eliminated, and that's a good thing. Read Engels.
>>2846563I don't know man if I could suck my own dick that would be pretty sweet. I'd see it as a major accomplishment. I probably wouldn't tell anybody in real life but I would feel good about it.
>>2846565Engels thought Hungarians were historical people, he wasnโt sober while writing that clearly
>>2846561anon i hate to tell you this but your jewish exceptionalism is probably the most unpopular its ever been post-ww2. no one cares. go back to where you came from. you aren't entitled to colonize someone else's society and then refuse to participate in it. people don't hate jews because they're jews. they hate jews because jews are racist isolationists. the struggle against jewish colonization is identical to the struggle against boer colonization. not wanting to be looked down on by people who invaded your home is a perfectly normal human reaction.
Itโs not a feasible or workable idea but putting all 160 million white Amerifats in the UK at once would be funny, seeing the NHS scramble with all the obesity and the Amerifats getting all โI WANT YOUR MANAGERโ at NHS staff
>>2846522that looks crazy with the trump poster too
When are the transhumanist jannies going to ban these fucking liberaluyghets crying about "muh settlers". Blood and soil is fascism, do your job you useless retards
>>2846561Iโve noticed a bizarre trend in online political discussion where people openly embrace the worst stereotypes about their ideals and then when called on it, they just repeat back what someone is saying in an exaggerated way to dismiss it.
Like dudes will start talking like Nazis in a โLeft Wingโ way, then you call them on it and they roll their eyes and say something like โYeah, Horseshoe theory is real, suuuure buddy.โ
>>2846577that's what's interesting because what differentiates spanish/portuguese colonialism from english colonialism is just that they lived among the natives despite continuing to exploit them. you cannot feasibly "send back" the people of mexico or brazil for having european ancestry because in all likelihood one side of their family is native. the spanish/portuguese viewed colonization as being about spreading christian civilization to the rest of the world while the british just saw it as resource extraction. this is kind of romanticizing spanish colonialism which don't get me wrong was extremely evil but it's why you don't have the same kind of nostalgia for slavery in brazil despite having slavery for much longer. the slaves and the slaveowners interbred and assimilated into a single culture while americans insisted on "separate but equal" for another 100 years and are still practicing it today in all but name.
>>2846586i volunteer to accept all
non-jewish female deportees between the ages of 18 and 35 to my house dont worry about it guys i'll do the world a favor just this once.
>>2846584Unironically thatโs partially why Iโm in favor of just spreading the whole population out so everyone just ends up mixed down the line. I donโt see any other feasible way of banishing racism from society
>>2846589well thats why i brought up the lack of assimilation in colonizer communities. jews wouldn't be so hated if they just assimilated into their host countries. the refusal to do so is about actively choosing racism and then they get upset when people are racist back to them.
>>2846584>americans insisted on "separate but equal" for another 100 years and are still practicing it today in all but name.Exactly we are still defacto segregated. Instead of law it is just small stuff like "the white girl experiments with a black guy in college and finds her REAL husband who she has kids with".
>>2846590assimilation is made up bullshit because culture constantly changes. There is nothing to assimilate into.
>>2846545>they considered it but still heckin did it anywaystop trying to make nazis look reasonable
Once everyone is the same race, than racial distinctions will disappear and racial supremacy will wither away.
>>2846590>jews wouldn't be so hated if they just assimilated into their host countriesGerman Jews were pretty much completely assimilated.
>>2846601they weren't though and they went to many lengths to separate themselves from ethnic german society despite ashkenazi jews and germans being genetically identical.
they pretty much only interacted with germans for the purpose of doing business. they had all the same "jewish-only" social services that you see in NYC and other large jewish communities today. the "jewish ghettos" were already there before the nazis took power, they just weren't ghettos yet.
>>2846569>new goalpost>nonsequitur>subject change>retroactively recontextualize the entire conversation to confuse and befuddlegood job
>>2846595there's tons of mixed families, you're delulu.
>>2846609mixed families face a lot of discrimination in america that they dont really face in brazil.
which is kind of strange because white male/black female is the pairing that has the lowest divorce rate even compared to same-race marriages, but it comes with a ton of racial prejudice from their families usually.
is cpusa anon a attention whore?
>>2846613Everyone here is an attention whore in one way or the other. Or rather it's often one of the few places many of us do get attention or want to get attention from.
the only reason i havent used a tripcode is i know everyone would filter me
>>2846616yes but most here dont use trip codes and names like cpusa anon does. He seems to be more of a attention whore than others are
>>2846620He only started tripfagging due to Iron Felix consistently impersonating him and saying shit to make him look worse, which Felix has admitted was part of his "zersetzung" strategy
>>2846622well he could have just stopped being a name fag. I dont see the point of being a name fag for this long
>>2846609The point is it comes with a stigma that would not occur in the Hispanic and Lusosphere.
>>2846613Of course he is a namefag
>>2846610>which is kind of strange because white male/black female is the pairing that has the lowest divorceBecause of circumstances that leads to that pairing. Typically more education and less fetishized than other pairing.
>>2846501Wow, how about you stop being spooked by regurgitated blood and soil bullshit that you took from the Nazis.
>>2846628>less fetishized than other pairing.what is this based on? anecdotally i have seen no indication that this pairing is less fetishized. there are tons of white men who fetishize black women and vice versa. it's just that because black women in general are "less popular" those men have an easier time finding their ideal partner. that doesn't mean their relationship isn't based on a fetish tho. it might also be relevant that black women who fetishize white men are so used to being overlooked by white men that they are more clingy when they get one who loves them, lowering the divorce rate since women are the ones initiating divorce in the vast majority of cases. but this interpretation feels kind of disrespectful to black women idk. if they had more choice in romantic partners would the divorce rate be higher?
diddy
>>2846605and with this we cane safely get rid of gross old anti-capitalism and just instead focus on nice healthy cultural struggle issues, there is no need to worry about who owns the means of production, the real problem is one of culture wars.
>>2846635has there ever been a more jewish nigger than ak-47 anon? going to these lengths to rehabilitate colonizers is just very silly.
>>2846632Iโm not sure about black women getting fetishized but Iโve seen kind of first hand that white dudes dating black women get kind of like accessories to some vicious racism. Unfortunately our culture really degrades black womenโs beauty
>>2846642Iโve always been kind of annoyed at the whole culture of wigs with black women, I get that thereโs only a few things you can do with afro textured hair but the whole thing feels like trying to live up to a white beauty standard
>>2846644Ehhh Iโve seen wigs done well before, but I get you. I think Black women naturally have some beautiful hair myself.
Though Iโve worked with black women whoโve gotten hassled for their natural hair so itโs just unfortunate all around.
>>2846644i dont understand why people demonize black women who straighten their hair. like it's up to them how they present themselves maybe they find it pretty who cares lol.
i've been watching douyin/korean makeup tutorials for black/brown girls and i think for a certain segment of girls this kind of content is really empowering because they want to be able to fit in but also don't want to give up being black. society shouldn't shame these girls for not being "authentically black".
that said, the amount of these girls who all have white boyfriends is kind of funny.
>>2846632This sums it up:
>Unfortunately our culture really degrades black womenโs beautyYou can see it in stats that black women are the least desired group and it reflects in dating. So a white guy(which is the beauty standard here) going for a black woman has to be with purpose and typically the black woman is tertiary educated based on the stats as well. Versus how common Black man x White woman is but that has a history of demonization,fetishized(BLACKED,BBC,etc),killings over that pairing,etc. But that is not to say there is no fetishization but it is much less likely than the other pairings
>>2846610>>2846625I'm aware, I come from a mixed family, and I am mixed. I just don't think "we are still segregated" is a strong take. Racism still exists, segregation does not. I don't think people "self segregating" counts because it's not the same as literally not being allowed to go to the same school and so forth.
>>2846640Fine, i'll stop being facetious:
Why are you abandoning the economic issue of colonialism and settlerism in favor of arguing it along ethnic and cultural lines? The reason Marx (and upon which Lenin agrees) is that of forcing capitalism
as a global phenomenon to its knees by preventing it from exporting its contradictions. This is a very different argument from "the settlers must adapt culturally to the natives" which is functionally simply a reactionary argument against colonialism.
>>2846646>i dont understand why people demonize black women who straighten their hairIt is because of decolonization. Straightening hair is seen as trying to appeal to western beauty standards and conforming to whiteness. The truth is that it needed to happen back in the 60s-80s because there was extreme self-hatred in the black community about natural hair and needed correction. Natural hair was also severely discriminated against at the work place. But the other extreme is assuming someone straightening their hair has self-hatred about their natural hair or trying to be white
>>2846650>I don't think people "self segregating" counts because it's not the same as literally not being allowed to go to the same school and so forth.I think you're objectively wrong about this. We went from "black people aren't allowed in certain spaces" to "certain spaces are being deprioritized by society because black people occupy them". Look at the education system, the welfare system, public parks, pretty much every major city in america and the "white flight" to the suburbs. People act like all of this just happened through pure coincidence but it is very conscious. White people wanting to promote homeschooling is entirely about race and segregation. They decided they want to take their ball and go home. But they aren't just content with homeschooling, they also want to defund the entire school system so their taxes aren't being used to educate black children. They also want to defund roads, public buses, etc so black people's lives are made harder. This shit is still just segregation with extra steps.
>>2846650That is why anons are saying "de facto" which has some truth to it. There was literally a study recently that said public schools are more segregated than they were back in the 80s. Also your region will tell a lot as well
Real movement status?
>>2846653The economic issue of colonialism can only be addressed by forcing the colonizers to assimilate or leave. You functionally cannot defeat colonialism by still allowing the settlers to segregate themselves, and you cannot maintain colonialism if the settlers have interbred and assimilated themselves so deeply within a society that they are functionally identical to the natives. Globally the model of colonial segregation goes hand in hand with resource extraction. The American experiment was doomed as soon as the colonists started massacring native americans and this perspective of white settlers being exceptional ubermensch was reflected in how they treated african slaves and mexican/chinese laborers throughout american history as well. to defeat colonialism you have to defeat the ideas of racial/ethnic superiority. assimilation is the only proper way to do this.
>>2846655>I think you're objectively wrong about this. We went from "black people aren't allowed in certain spaces" to "certain spaces are being deprioritized by society because black people occupy them".yes, that's systemic racism, but I don't think it is segregation because it does not actually stop people of different ethnicities from fraternizing or even forming families together. It can only at best slow down that process. Even the conservatives or more ethnically diverse than they were in the George W Bush era.
> Look at the education system, the welfare system, public parks, pretty much every major city in america and the "white flight" to the suburbs. People act like all of this just happened through pure coincidence but it is very conscious. White people wanting to promote homeschooling is entirely about race and segregation. While that is certainly true to an extent, I wouldn't say it is "entirely" about race, it is also about religion. The most homeschooled family I know is the CEO of my company. He is a black male with a white wife and they homseschool their 10 children (some adopted, some not) for religious reasons rather than racial reasons. They live in a rural area. Now I know they are not typical because they are bourgeois, but still. This isn't a fortune 500 company I'm talking about. A lot of Christians who are not particularly more racist than the average person will homeschool their children because they don't want their children being taught about Socialism, Communism, Evolution, LGBT+ issues, feminism, etc.
>They decided they want to take their ball and go home. But they aren't just content with homeschooling, they also want to defund the entire school system so their taxes aren't being used to educate black children. They also want to defund roads, public buses, etc so black people's lives are made harder. This shit is still just segregation with extra steps.Well the bourgeoisie in general want to defund everything public and privatize everything, and while that intersects with racism, it is also class based. Racism and Class intertwine strongly in this society because it is settler-colonial and founded on slavery and genocide. But I don't think racism or maintaining segregation is the sole motivator here, even if it is a strong one. What I mean by segregation is the legally mandated separation of the races. I don't think they can bring that back without serious struggle. They can only abstract segregation more and more in order to hide it as it gets weaker and weaker, or intertwine it more and more with class oppression.
>>2846656True I wasn't paying enough attention to the "de facto de jure" distinction
>>2846661>They can only abstract segregation more and more in order to hide it as it gets weaker and weaker, or intertwine it more and more with class oppression.I think this is a bit of a misguided assumption that history is a straight line of progress. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like racial segregation is worse now than it was even in the 90's and 00's, which was fairly recent.
I think people also make the mistake of thinking the media is reflective of real life and the bourgeois black people they see on TV or in high income communities like Kanye hanging out with neo-nazis indicates that racism is over. The fact is TV has a weirdly huge bias with interracial relationships and the bourgeois do not see themselves as part of any race or ethnic group other than bourgeois(and jewish). In the real world there are a lot of ethnic ghettos in the US, some of them formed out of necessity and others formed out of pure racism. Like America is the only country with Chinatowns in every major city.
>>2845943>The reason military experience is useful is more in learning how not to be a nerd. How to work as a team, develop the right mentality / organization, and then launch your coup from not much but act like a proper guy and then start ordering the executions.Exactly. Third worldist hate military, but Lenin was veteran. Lenin was Tsarist general during WW1.
>>2846660Why is she so hot? Puerto Ricans are the most powerful race in the world…
>>2846666>>2846665People on here just say whatever, huh.
>>2846667do you want to plant a kiss on her giant tooth?
>>2846664>Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like racial segregation is worse now than it was even in the 90's and 00's, which was fairly recent.You are absolutely correct and studies show this. People also forget that policies like bussing was meant to destroy segregation systematically completely but it ended up failing. But it did diversify schools in the 80s and 90s for example. But it was an extremely unpopular policy that old man Biden saw as politically expedite to oppose.
>>2846659>. to defeat colonialism you have to defeat the ideas of racial/ethnic superiority.That's still fundamentally an idealist mindset that, in marxian terms, sets superstructure above the base. Directly, you are arguing
>to defeat the material economic development you must defeat the ideas, ideas precede material >>2846667she isnt that hot. i think people just say that because she's the only women in congress under 60 and not obese. and she has big boobs.
on that note how come there aren't any progressive asian women in politics? why are they always conservatives? its not fair i want to worship an asian dsa fascist babe but i bet the dsa has like a single percent number of asian members and they're all men.
>>2846648See I think White Men/Black Women get a lot of demonization as well, but itโs just not as innately sexual. Like Iโve heard horror stories from white guys claiming teens were making monkey noises when they were out with their partner, or being treated like a cuckold because their kid is darker than them. Which isnโt to say itโs worse than what Black people face in general, but rather the demonization doesnโt have a โsexually gratifyingโ element to it, itโs treated as a kind of pure humiliation.
>>2846670>You are absolutely correct and studies show this. Really? Feels like interracial partnerships are more common now. Compared to what it used to be like.
Immigration has been a big change. The U.S. had pretty tight immigration from the 1920s-1980s, and then changed the policy so the foreign-born population has returned to a historic high. This has generated a backlash though. I think there's a related phenomenon of white status anxiety about immigration that is manifested in right-wing politics, but also establishment-pilled black voters are losing the relative influence they used to have in Democratic primaries. Talarico won the primary in Texas because of the Latino swing vote. Mamdani apparently did win over the black vote in the end but at a lower margin than other groups.
>>2846671Well, what is the material base of racism in the USA today? Slavery is the past but today it's a complicated mix of urban sprawl, mass incarceration and imperialism.
>>2846674>41 years oldgod dammit
i'll take it though thats the best we can do i guess and she is pretty cute or she was 15 years ago when this photo was taken
>>2846664well if the bourgeoisie have desegregated and the proletariat have not, what does that mean? to me it could potentially mean a lot of different things. one it is a historical reflection of the fact that the poorest people in the US have usually been more black/brown but it could also mean that desegregation is a byproduct of the high levels of education and cosmopolitan outlook of the wealthy, which are both inaccessible to the working class.
And to some extent desegregation was not just resisted by white racists, but also black people who, seeing that they were still a minority, did not simply want to be absorbed and erased by whiteness. Pre-Hajj Malcolm X was a black nationalist on these grounds.
>>2846670>But it did diversify schools in the 80s and 90s for exampleMaybe in the conservative areas lol. The liberal areas are the most segregated shitholes for some reason.
https://civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/press-releases/report-shows-school-segregation-in-new-york-remains-worst-in-nation/ Report Shows School Segregation in New York Remains Worst in Nation Same thing in my hometown, the city was half White but the schools were 90% Black and Brown. The White kids all went to private school.
>picrelI posted it before but it always makes me laugh how the definitions on urban dictionary are all just talking about the schools and the poor race relations. I guess we really had nothing else going on and we're all traumatized from being brought up in it.
>>2846677But historically the focus on defeating racism was overcoming slavery. Now we still have an underclass that is racially divided. But it has changed because of the economic baseline that has changed that made the kind of racism possible under slavery to become unviable. Marxists didn't want to defeat racism to overcome slavery, they wanted to defeat slavery to overcome racism.
My shitty southron city loves to crow about desegregation going comparatively "nondisruptively" compared to the rest of the region but the interior highway loop is a ghetto of latino and black people with some strongholds of the pb or labor aristocracy. Beyond the interior highway loop it gets to be more of a patchwork of ghettosprawl and glitzysprawl with a lot more middle eastern, south asian, southeast asian and east asian people in the mix.
>>2846682ben shoulda waited before posting this
>>2846688Might it be fair to say that because immigration necessarily requires a ton of effort and uprooting that it can select for aspiring pb, leading to cases like this?
>>2846683I'm from Altadena which is like the Black ghetto of Pasadena to the northwest. The Black part of Pasadena is the north west region which directly borders Altadena. The major street by my house was like the direct border between the Crip territory and the Blood territory. The Altadena Blocc Crips and the Pasadena Denver Lane bloods are like mortal enemies. It's funny because there are so many rich areas with mega-ass movie type mansions. Lots of celebrities lived up there. Saw in the news when Tabboo of Black Eyed Peas was selling his mansion. Also heard Aloe Blacc lived there on the radio recently with the fires. But anyways, it's funny how all these upper class, and upper middle class people live right up the street and have to go drive through our corner everyday where there's just a dozen uyghas posting up and getting killed in drive-bys. In fact at this park they're filming in which is one of the ABC's main hangouts you can see the horse stables in the back lol.
The gangs were kinda interracial tho. Some Mexicans in Altadena Blocc Crips. There's this one random snow white, white boy in this video too randomly. No idea what his story is.
I also find all the GTA San Andreas and whatever fascination with LA gang culture funny since that was the reality I grew up in. I think it was mostly like a dark energy hanging over everything.
>>2846688most of the racial/ethnic segregation that goes on in urban cities especially when it comes to asians/indians is just them not wanting to be around blacks/latinos. it's pretty fucked up how they talk about blacks/latinos when they're not around. white people get away with "intermingling" with everyone lol.
like just as an example the way asian families react when their daughter brings home a black or latino boy is insanely different from how they react to a white boy.
>>2846688>>2846690This is just a guess, but I'm wondering if the Asian (from the Mediterranean to the East Sea) diasporas arriving to the US from the 60s to the early 2000s largely arrived during the broad reconfiguration of American industry.
I'm thinking this could have had two impacts on race tension:
1)Less of those who arrived might have worked for long in labor intensive factories with black/latino people.
2)For the pb or pb aspiring, they would have arrived in a period of wide unemployment and poverty, encouraging them to turn their noses up at "those people" who at once seemed beneath them for not simply pulling themselves up by the bootstraps, were necessary to keep their businesses afloat and seemed to constitute a threat to their businesses.
>>2846688>>2846695>a lot of the nonwhite diasporas are also very racist. I wont dispute that, but I think we also need to reckon with the fact the white supremacist structure of he USA enforces that. It needs it. Also, most non-white diasporas in USA are gusanos or come from gusano families. It stands to reason in the imperial core anti-black sentiment will be strongest among feeble minded people of other races. Unfortunately USA is also a chief exporter of propaganda so other countries will eat that up as well. I've heard horror stories of blacks being killed or mistreated in other countries, but have also seen travel videos of black people being treated very well in certain Asian countries. I cant help but wonder if USA culture didnt have as much influence as it did and Nazi's didnt flee to South America how different the world may think about black people.
>>2846706>we also need to reckon with the fact the white supremacist structure of he USA enforces that.yes, i hoped that was implicit but I should have said it more explicitly
>Also, most non-white diasporas in USA are gusanos or come from gusano families.yeah i meant to mention that part as well. anti-communism and pro-racism go hand in hand. and these diasporas sometimes tend to be anti-communist and petty bourgeois.
>>2846707And there are these Altadena Blocc Crips who I guess decided to move out to San Antonio together after getting gentrified out of the neighborhood. They're in a nice little chill Texas suburb and they're still hitting cars up going:
>Altadena uygha!It really is like a mental illness.
>>2846715Thanks, I'll check it out
>>2846709Damn I just did a deep dive and apparently that neighborhood used to be part of a much larger cohesive public housing complex. Very direct example that simply splitting off chunks of a public complex and making part of it into privately owned single family homes does not magically make things better.
>>2846739The chick is the best treat of all
>>2846739i deserve a gf like this
>>2846736You mean you found out where in San Antonio that video is? I've been chastised in the past for talking about my hometown but I think it's kind of interesting trivia. I try to only post the interesting stuff. I would've posted the clips I took when I posted this Pasadena Denver Lanes video but I couldn't find it. There is a Street Gangs video with Altadena Blocc Crips members but it's not so interesting, actually he was saying some really positive shit about how he was going to keep his son out of the gangbang lifestyle. I showed it to my friend from the neighborhood and he said "that uygha sweet now." (I mean before he watched the vid or maybe he even didn't.)
Anyways, the Pasadena Denver Lanes, I guess alternatively known as the Pasadena Devil Lanes, and he explains because they were doing seyances in their housing projects and sacrificing uyghas to the devil "just to get recognition from Satan." Pretty peak shit.
WE NEED A NEW FOREIGN POLICY.
>Amidst the fiasco of the war in Iran, Americans need to rethink the very foundations of our foreign policy and how we go forward in a very different direction โ a direction which focuses on peace, democracy and economic and social justice.
Let us not forget:
>The war in Vietnam was based on a lie. In that war over 58,000 Americans died, hundreds of thousands were wounded and millions of Vietnamese civilians lost their lives.
>The war in Iraq was based on a lie. In that war 4,492 Americans died, tens of thousands were wounded and hundreds of thousands Iraqi civilians lost their lives.
>The current war in Iran was based on a lie. In this war 14 Americans have been killed, hundreds have been wounded and up to ten thousand civilians in the region have lost their lives.
>Meanwhile, with 60% of our people living paycheck to paycheck, we have a military budget of over one trillion dollars โ much of it going to the extremely profitable military-industrial complex.
In terms of the Middle East, here are our major allies:
>Israel: a nation, now controlled by right-wing extremists, which has committed genocide in Gaza, plotted with Trump to start the illegal and unconstitutional war in Iran, and is now actively obstructing a meaningful pathway towards peace as it continues to attack Lebanonโs civilian population.
>Saudi Arabia: a nation controlled by the wealthiest family in the world who run a dictatorship that treats women as third-class citizens and tolerates no opposition or dissent. According to U.S. intelligence, the Saudi leader, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, had American journalist Jamal Khashoggi murdered in its Istanbul consulate because of his criticism of the regime.
>UAE: a nation which is an authoritarian monarchy with no free press, no free elections and no independent civil society โ built on the labor of migrant workers who make up 80% of its population. Beyond its borders, the UAE has armed the Rapid Support Forces โ a paramilitary group the United States government has formally determined is committing genocide in Sudan.
>Qatar: a nation which is also an authoritarian monarchy controlled by the Al Thani family, one of the most powerful and wealthy royal families in the world. Unbelievably, 91% of Qatarโs population is migrant labor who are ruthlessly oppressed. While building World Cup stadiums in Qatar, thousands of workers died as a result of horrendous working conditions.
<The politics of the Middle East are complicated, and no one believes that we can bring peace, prosperity and democracy to the region tomorrow. But clearly, we need a very different approach than what we have right now.
<We need a foreign policy that actually reflects our values and which must start with a simple premise: the United States will not provide weapons and diplomatic cover to governments โ whether in Tel Aviv, Riyadh, Abu Dhabi or Doha โ that engage in systematic human rights violations.
>And it means, at long last, building a foreign policy centered around human rights, respect for international law and multilateralism โ and one that holds war criminals accountable no matter whom they may be.
This is going to be the line for the next decade
Who is ready for the Sanderista Socialist foreign policy
>>2846753Calling Israel a โnationโ is almost too far, but sanderista is funny as hell so Iโll forgive it
>>2846751Yeah I found out by the tried and true method of noticing the youtube comments kept mentioning a seemingly well known Altadena Crip, getting a youtube rec for an old news report about a mass conviction that mentioned some street names and a complex name, found a facebook thread of old people corroborating street names, a complex and the Altadena guy. I then found some oldish news articles mentioning that the complex was partially demolished and the Bexar County Appraisal District website points to the plat with the SFHs being sold to a developer in the 2000s.
Trail goes cold there.
I imagine the city housing authority doesn't want people to know that real public housing used to be more extensive in the ghetto areas of the city instead of the current norm of demolitions, housing vouchers and public-private bullshit.
As for me, there isn't a ton of "trivia" that tends to come out of San Antonio since the gangs are very much small fry compared to elsewhere. Same goes for high tide of communism here since it was chased out by the Klan and others. So a lot of my posts about the city try to do analysis. You can argue that I have the opposite problem of you where I'm trying to be like Mike Davis ruthlessly criticizing San Antonio, but the historical record is more sparse and the historical amnesia stronger lol.
>>2846755>Calling Israel a โnationโ is almost too farNations are a bourgeois concept
Also this thread is filled with crackkker leftists
>>2846753>>2846753lets just fucking throw bernie in the gulag alread
>>2846753>we need a new foreign policywho is we? the us govt? i do not recognize it.
>Israel: a nationi do not recognize it
>a foreign policy centered around human rightsnot going to happen under capitalism
>an american hinted at a proletarian dictatorship<in 1837If, then a changed character be essential to the success of the social system of community in its most perfect form โ and if, likewise, the present system affords no circumstances and no facilities for effecting the requisite change of character and preparing man for the higher and better state desired โ it is evident that these things must necessarily remain as they are…. or else some preparatory step must be discovered and made use of โ some movement partaking partly of the present and partly of the desired system โ some intermediate resting place, to which society may go with all its faults and its follies, and from which it may move forward, imbued with those qualities and attributes without which the system of community and equality cannot as such have existence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Francis_Bray >>2846217>>2846216>>2846218>>2846220>>2846483Factory status?
And you are the pathetic one, creating idiotic revenge fantasies in your head. Stop being spooked by blood and soil bullshit, my dude. You're not a serious communist, just a fed or a 4channer LARPing as a stereotype of what a right-winger thinks a "communist" is.
>>2846481>JUSTICE FOR ERECTUS!im all for erectile justice
>>2846510forgive my ignorance, but don't burgers know about fucking chloride in water?
it's THE thing that's supposed to remove bacteria and algae
>>2846914Glad this was clipped. This is my 2026 Amerikkkana kino.
>>2846706>white supremacist structure of he USA enforces thatthat structure is gone, eroded away. Henry Ford is turning in his grave watching america sacrifice their empire for interests belonging to the traditionally excluded interest groups like the israeli jews. im not complaining, this was a progressive step away from white man interests (which usually start world wars)
>>2846862what makes me laff are the tards who think conscripted soldiers are superior in any way. im sure the vietnamese were comforted by the fact that billy the napalm thrower was there against his will
>>2846933They weren't comforted but they constantly appealed to American soldiers to fight for their actual interests and turn against their own government and officers. Good thing we have nu-leftypol here to tell them how hecking problematic and immoral that was.
>>2846939>they constantly appealed to American soldiers to fight for their actual interests and turn against their own government and officersand how effective was that strategy? did it work? no? than what relevance does this bring? america was not defeated with propaganda but with violence. distinguishing between conscripted and volunteer armies is a worthless exercise, there's no meaningful difference as far as revolutionary capability is concerned
>>2846926Couldโve fooled me
>>2846943>and how effective was that strategy? did it work? Yes. By the 1970s morale in the American army had totally collapsed. One report compared it to the Russian army in 1917. In the field soldiers regularly assassinated their own officers, or just went and hung out in a random spot in the jungle instead of carrying out their missions. Desertion and drug abuse became rampant. On the home front volunteers evaporated and the army had to rely increasingly on conscription, huge numbers of veterans vocally opposed the war and organized against it, which further soured public opinion, made support for the war politically poisonous, and hastened American withdrawal.
https://history-maps.com/story/Vietnam-War/event/US-Morale-collapse >>2846947>By the 1970s morale in the American army had totally collapsedVietnamese blood and bullets were responsible for that. you're a moron for assuming the war ended because american GI's suddenly realized perhaps mowing down entire villages was immoral and bad
>>2846739Unironically the greatest country in history
>>2846259>DSA rallyThis is one of the things that when you mention it outside of the anglosphere, it lands like the things Radio Free Asia says about the DPRK. People abroad find it bizarre, unhinged.
When you tell them that, in the US of A, many go "canvass" for politicians as volunteers, unpaid for the most part except maybe some diets. All while donating their hard earned money to fiance the politician's campaign. And then, all the while the volunteers spend their summers knocking on doors, the politician is using those donated funds to pay millions to their friends, or soon to be, in the campaign managing business, or media, or anything really. Usually their acquaintances too get nepo'd to lucrative sinecures.
This is done to support politicians who are invariably already wealthy, often businessmen themselves , sometimes even billionaires. And AAND many of those people volunteering, donating their time and money to the campaign, are also paying dues to peripheral organizations like the DSA, who run no candidates of their own and only promote whoever the DNC tells them to. Or various think tanks/institutes/communal organizations/grassroots committees for the election of totally organic candidates.
As if this wasn't cynical enough, in the USA, every single election above mayor sings to this tune in which the volunteering is not appreciated, but a duty. A patriotic duty to save whatever scope of politics currently in contest, from *literally* 1930s European fascism or Gulag Archipielago tales of gommunism, take your pick. It is a social obligation, a neighborly duty to participate or at least vocally support these campaigns. At the peak of hysteria, during federal elections, one may lose friends or even family for being insufficiently supportive of the great leader to be.
>>2846951>Vietnamese blood and bullets were responsible for thatFar larger numbers of American soldiers were killed in WW2 but they never faced a collapse in morale that was remotely similar. There was never a large scale movements of veterans coming home and opposing that war.
>>2846957>Far larger numbers of American soldiers were killed in WW2 but they never faced a collapse in morale that was remotely similarwow what could be the reason for that. maybe cuz america won ww2 and lost vietnam? just a thought
>>2846961Morale collapse in Vietnam happened before they lost, and in the midst of a tactical stalemate. In other words, soldiers in Vietnam were able to understand that their interests were not aligned with those of their government, and their behaviour reflected this. Regardless of that though, it's also simply untrue to claim that there weren't large numbers of American soldiers who opposed the war on moral grounds. VVAW peaked at around 25,000 activd members, plus far larger numbers of sympathizers.
>>2846985had america been winning on the battlefield no amount of bad morale would have stopped advancing imperialism. morale is not a deciding factor in imperialist wars so there's still no meaningful difference between conscripted and volunteer armies as far as Party work goes (commies should use both)
>>2847006Diversion form true goals of oil, gas and water
>>2847020>had america been winning on the battlefield no amount of bad morale would have stopped advancing imperialismMoralism
>>2847024>oil, gas the worlds largest supply of oil is right next door in venezuela, no need to take away territory from a NATO member for it
>>2846862And Tsarist soldiers raped japanese people
>>2845876>basing your opinion of socialists on an imageboardAnon, online politics is full of idiot schizos, and this place is no exception. Go to an actual DSA meeting if you want to know what the on-the-ground left here thinks
>>2845883Porky is dumb but people here are dumber for wasting time being alienating LARPers and then acting like everyone else here is at fault when revolution doesnโt happen
>>2847020>so there's still no meaningful difference between conscripted and volunteer armies as far as Party work goes (commies should use both)Fully agree.
>>2847020>had america been winning on the battlefield no amount of bad morale would have stopped advancing imperialism.the point is that part of the reason america was losing was the fact its soldiers were sabotaging its war effort.
>>2847020morale is critical in all wars what are you on about
>>2847045I'd say it's especially critical in insurgencies where the actual fighting is typically a stalemate, and the deciding factor is who has the strongest resolve. Hence the origin of the Taliban expression, "You have the watches but we have the time." Alternatively, Le Duan (or possibly Vo Ngyuen Giap?) once said that "We knew the Americans couldn't stay in Vietnam forever, but Vietnam would stay in Vietnam forever."
>>2847006Red lobster isnโt even good
>>2847056Communist China military science textbooks always say the force with moral high ground generally wins. The anti-amerikan forces on all fronts as in venezuela cuba iran etc. has moral strategic and tactical high grounds so they xannot be defeated.
>>2847045I didnt say it wasn't important, I said it wasn't a deciding factor. morale can have an impact on events so long as its preceded by material losses on the ground. morale didn't defeat the american army in the end, the vietnamese did
>>2847074Scientisits disagree. Morale is decisive factor. If people do not want to fight, how can they win. Communist China's military science textbooks say morale is subjective factor. Subjective factor overcome objejtive conditions therefore Subjective factor are decisive conditions. Like i say here.
>>2845317 honkoid status?
>>2847105Heโs so fucking sensitive
>>2847070Itโs either that or the limp dick micro parties that do nothing, take your pick.
>>2847134>made it to 100>got away with everythingDID WE REALLY WIN??!?!?!?!?
>bro just take the Wwhat W?????????
>>2846933a draftee is more likely to go AWOL, desert, frag, etc.
>>2847145Who are you replying to?
>>2847134French physiocrat bros, it's over
>>2847146>a draftee is more likely to go AWOL, desert, frag, etc.nah. where is that happening in the IDF?
>>2847147Celebrating it is like the Miami Gusanos celebrating Castro dying although he won as well.
>>2847132Doing my own thing has been somewhat fruitful, so iโll be doing that instead of joining up with a section of the counter opposition.
>>2847174National divorce and state divorce
>>2847173And what has "doing your own thing" consisted of?
>>2847177they'll never tell teehee!!!! you're a fed for asking teehee!!!!!
>>2847174Eats shit in court in 3โฆ2โฆ1โฆ
>>2847181Enter anonโs enchanted cave of riddles
>>2847194wander through the hedge mazes of my mind palace
>>2847236video unavailable. yt-dlp and upload here if possible.
>>2847236let me guess, the gusanos were involved dope and drugs?
>>2847188I want to celebrate real victories. ghouls dying before they hurt people is a real victory. ghouls dying at 100 surrounded by their families is not.
>>2847239>video unavailable. yt-dlp and upload here if possible.It's 'PBS Frontline - Terror in Little Saigon'. At 1h30m it'll be too big to upload here unfortunately. Got any ideas where i could upload?
Would be nice if we had a lefty video repository platform. Lots of good documentaries made by the left are really only available globally on the grace of Youtube.
>>2847247> Got any ideas where i could upload?tankietube o algo
https://tankie.tube/ >>2847105>300 foot long gashHesse Deni voice: "period ๐"
>>2847032>online politics is full of idiots>Go to an actual DSA meeting if you want to know what the on-the-ground left here thinks<DSA: "AOC isn't a Zionist, she's merely bad at messaging. She says stupid shit but no one can explain why"Notice the lack of politics and ideological critique from every radlib Democrat
>>2847174It's never gonna happen but you'll see establishment Dem types contrast this to Biden spending more on red states "'cause they need the money more" and God, it'd be amazing to see a Dem just completely stop funding Red States for the most petty bullshit reasons.
>>2847270>The uploader has not made this video available in your country>>2847262Works though.
>>2847174Seeing some of the genocidal rhetoric that people have about southern states, the next dem president will be brutal and end up with some 1905 Southronian revolution due to fed money drying up and a brutal crackdown will lead to conditions ripe for a socialist revolution similar to Mao while coastal states will support the KMT entity
>>2847283the south is where money and businesses are relocating. the broke north and west have way more revolutionary potential
>>2847262Thanks, it works
>>2847291Not when fed money gets turned off. North(besides Rustbelt) and West have surpluses compared to the South. Also the business relocations is to further exploit the southern proles due to lack of workers right compared to the north and west.
>>2847298>Also the business relocations is to further exploit the southern proles due to lack of workers right compared to the north and west.the funny thing is they aren't hiring southern proles. these southern states are getting an influx of businesses because the cost of living is cheap enough to justify importing immigrant workers, and there are no labor protections or unions getting in the way of opening a business and hiring zero locals.
southerners are so fucking retarded they developed an ego over companies building datacenters there when zero jobs are being brought in.
>>2847252Which board would be a good one to have a Tankie.tube thread? Feels not right for the main board but too serious for siberia. Have some interesting docs just from my local leftist space, sure others do.
>>2847146>>2847165>nah. where is that happening in the IDF?This'll get accused of idealism but it really does depend on the ideological component of the war/military itself.
Like a big component of the Vietnam War Protests were young men being sent to some foreign country to die
for no reason. Like "defending hearth and home" is a powerful ideological tool, but it becomes a flimsy excuse when your concept of "defending" amounts to some insane "Domino theory" where "If we don't beat them in Vietnam we'll be fighting them in Virginia!" Like if you're drafted for Vietnam, you know the war isn't coming to your borders, you aren't "protecting anyone you care about", it's all extremely nihilistic. Like I remember ages ago there was a comic some dude who spent time in 'Nam did where after spending something like 2 years in active combat he comes back home and one of the people in his town just greets him like "Oh hey, haven't seen you in a couple weeks, how've you been?"
The IDF doesn't really have that same component. Say what you will but Israel is still actively being bombed. October 7th basically whipped the populace into a feeling of constantly being threatened. Israeli propaganda has spent years convincing people "The whole world just wants to exterminate Jews and they will if we let them." A conscript giving up the fight in Vietnam is choosing to save his skin over being a government tool. A conscript in the IDF is under the mental impression that he's betraying his entire nation. It's either "fight them now while they're weak" or "fight them while they're leading us to the ovens."
>>2847302ask mods in /meta/ but I think /leftypol/ is just fine. if you want the thread to stay up for a long time and you have educational content, put it in /edu/
>>2847301>southerners are so fucking retarded they developed an ego over companies building datacentersThere is increasing tension over here about the data center even in the rural parts of the South. Rick Jackson is already flip flopping how he feels about data centers because of political expediency. That is why this will eventually blowup especially when the fed money gets turned off and the business influx creates even further inequalities
>>2847302>Which board would be a good one to have a Tankie.tube thread? Feels not right for the main board but too serious for siberia. Have some interesting docs just from my local leftist space, sure others do.I guess edu. The thing is all those boards are incredibly slow which is why nobody tends to even make threads on them. I think a documentary thread could be interesting. I tried having a thread a long time ago for like "burgerpunk" but more serious instead of the "hahaha aren't americans silly and stupid" kind of vibe like that thread.
>>2847311>the minutes the feds stop subsidizingYeah so obviously they wouldn't ever stop
>>2847313Next democrat president will do it
>>2847311>oil rich Texas>subsidized before the rust beltmoron
>>2847315But Democrats are for all the policies that cause the imbalance like progressive taxation, medicare, food stamps, etc. The Southern states receive more than they send back because they're really poor.
>picrelSee it mostly lines up with the map except I guess New York is a little bit of an outlier.
>>2847318>But Democrats *dumocrats
>>2847315Why ? I thought people here didn't even believe the president has that much power in the first place and is mostly a public figure
>>2847134Cool I hope he enjoys hell along with ayn rand
>>2847315again, people have been saying this for centuries at this point.
the feds will never stop subsidizing the south, because they are sympathetic to slavery and everything else the south represents.
Help, Trump is filling my neighborhood up with Boers. ๐ฐ
>>2845862STARMER RESIGNS
what do we think of this usapolers
>>2847327You should be "filling up " those Boers instead. If you know what I mean ๐
>>2847332fucking look it up mate
>>2847331the special relationship is in safe hands under labour
>>2847335beware headlines like this. beware the recent hyper focus on aipac from the likes of lib outlets like nytimes and hasan piker. the degradation of zionist interests in USA politics is severly overstated. jstreet has always been there ready as the representatives of a more "moderate" zionist position to which politicians could retreat in the case of a decrease in the popularity of israel such as we have seen recently.
>>2847339tell me why I should care about that garbage island in the atlantic you people call home
>>2847343hebrew media doesn't even consider american jews real jews anymore cuz they don't do Aliyah
>>2847345>tell me why I should care about that garbage island in the atlantic you people call homeI'm literally American
>>2847347poeple who say mate are spiritually euroid
>>2847343thats why the only correct way to oppose zionism is just opposing all jewish organizations that don't publicly disavow israel. i don't care what their excuse is. there is no moderate israeli. there is no two state solution. all israelis are enemies of humanity.
>>2847348>So really nothing's changed. Really nothing to say about themAndy Burnham is actually quite different. a bit more pragmatic, uncontroversial, and not willing to move to the right like starmer was. obviously for us in the left, this is not much of a difference, (just neoliberal infighting) but Burnham is not hated like starmer was and obviously they'll be bringing him in to prevent the collapse of the already unpopular labour party. it'll just be an interesting development to watch, especially cause they've got elections in a few years and their far right is stronger than ever before.
>>2847354Do you think he will shamelessly kiss Trump's ass while Trump calls him a cuck like Starmer?
>>2847349Spiritually English, you mean. Most of Europe doesn't say mate. English and Australians (not even in Europe) do.
>>2847357Do New Zealanders say mate?
>>2847358They say chap. Sometimes bloke.
>>2847358idk enough about them. how do they even sound? all i know about new zealand is maori natives, chud white colonizers, islamic immigrants
>>2847361Watch Flight of the Conchords and you'll get the idea.
>>2847356I think he'd treat it as a matter of pragmatism, like carney, Burnham can be compared to Carney in a lot of ways actually, he'll sit down and try to have grown conversations without all the extra bullshit that Starmer tried. startmer was obsessed with showcasig his image as a natural leader, hence why he went out his way to try and "tame" trump, I don't think Burnham will do that, he's more of a sho by example and action type of guy
>>2847326>the feds will never stop subsidizing the south, because they are sympathetic to slavery and everything else the south represents>slavery represents the southThis is what I mean by the demonization. They subsidize because the South would look like Cuba pre-1959 rapidly without federal support.
>>2847311your image is for ants and 10 years old but it looks to me like the red states are the most in debt to the feds and the green states have a surplus? it seems like less of a subsidy graph and more of a balance of payments graph?
>>2847377>It is important to resist the commodification of basic human needsWith guns and communism?
>No, with prayers and catholicism >>2847379We are a legal revolution.
>>2847385the first catholic president of the USA said "those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable" and was then shot. What does this tell you about revolution?
>>2847387the first dengist preisdent of the PRC said "it doesn't matter if the cat is black or white as long as it catches mice" and then created the greatest state to exist. What does this tell you about cats?
>>2847388You need to be nice to every cat you see because you donโt know which are djinn
>>2847388it tells me exactly what he said. I am unsure what you are implying.
>>2847074>I didnt say it wasn't important, I said it wasn't a deciding factor. morale can have an impact on events so long as its preceded by material losses on the ground. morale didn't defeat the american army in the end, the vietnamese didOne leads to the other. Destroying enemy forces is not really the main goal of warfare, it's more of a means to an end, it's not an end in itself. The end goal is to collapse the enemy's will to fight, to get them to the point where they believe that victory is impossible, so you can impose your will. The Vietnamese actually lost a lot more men than the U.S. military and experienced more physical destruction than the U.S. military did, but they were willing to fight (also their reasons for fighting was different, they were better able to connect the political aspect to the military aspect), and it became apparent to the U.S. over time that it wasn't going to achieve victory especially as losses mounted and political support collapsed.
>>2847165>nah. where is that happening in the IDF?>>2847304>The IDF doesn't really have that same component.It wouldn't describe Israel in Gaza (although they were getting exhausted) but it has happened before in the 1980s/1990s in Lebanon. At least in terms of collapsing morale, AWOL, etc. and disintegration of domestic political support. It was a big problem for Israel at the time. But Hezbollah's strategy was a protracted guerrilla campaign where they'd blow up an Israeli jeep here, and Israeli patrol there, in hit and run ambushes over time. Israel occupied South Lebanon from the 1980s to 2000 but eventually gave up and went home.
>>2847394Maybe that metaphors don't make a statement true ?
>>2847401I think it tells me that you missed my point and instead of attacking it directly compared it with a completely unrelated thing. I wasn't even using a metaphor btw. I was saying that trying to do a so called "legal revolution" will just get you killed.
>>2847388>the first dengist preisdent of the PRCwas mao zedong
<The upper petty bourgeoisie and middle bourgeoisie, oppressed and injured by the landlords and big bourgeoisie and their state power, may take part in the new-democratic revolution or stay neutral, though they are themselves bourgeois. They have no ties, or comparatively few, with imperialism and are the genuine national bourgeoisie. Wherever the state power of New Democracy extends, it must firmly and unhesitatingly protect them. [โฆ] It is absolutely impermissible to repeat such wrong ultra-Left polices towards the upper petty bourgeois and middle bourgeois sectors in the economy as our Party adopted during 1931-34 (unduly advanced labor conditions, excessive income tax rates, encroachment on the interests of industrialists and merchants during the land reform, and the adoption as a goal of the so-called "workers' welfare", which was a short-sighted and one-sided concept, instead of the goal of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital). To repeat such mistakes would certainly damage the interests both of the working masses and of the new-democratic state. [โฆ] To sum up, the economic structure of New China will consist of: (1) the state-owned economy, which is the leading sector; (2) the agricultural economy, developing step by step from individual to collective; and (3) the economy of small independent craftsmen and traders and the economy of small and middle private capital. These constitute the whole of the new-democratic national economy. The principles guiding the new-democratic national economy must closely conform to the general objective of developing production, promoting economic prosperity, giving consideration to both public and private interests and benefiting both labor and capital. Any principle, policy or measure that deviates from this general objective is wrong. - Mao Zedong, The Present Situation and Our Tasks, 25th December, 1947. Preserved in The Selected Works of Mao Zedong
<โWe want to do business.โ Quite right, business will be done. We are against no one except the domestic and foreign reactionaries who hinder us from doing business [โฆ] When we have beaten the internal and external reactionaries by uniting all domestic and international forces, we shall be able to do business with all foreign countries on the basis of equality, mutual benefit and mutual respect for territorial integrity and sovereignty.- Mao Zedong, On The Peopleโs Democratic Dictatorship, 30th June, 1949
<The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People's Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund), for the state (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the state. - Mao Zedong, On State Capitalism, July 9th, 1953
>>2847406but muh k/d ratio
but muh vietnam would have run out of people before we did
ummm uhh war isnt about strategic control of regions and resources, it's literally just a contest to genocide the enemy faster than they can genocide you
i am very smart btw
>>2847407>ummm uhh war isnt about strategic control of regions and resourcesIt's not even primarily about that. It's primarily about politics. Everything else is important to the extent that it strengthens or weakens political power, either your own or your enemy's.
>>2847409politics is superstructural
>>2847412Vietnamese nationalism and willingness to fight was rooted in objective conditions of colonialism, foreign occupation, and having a mega-tarded puppet regime in South Vietnam with zero legitimacy among the majority of the population. It wasn't necessarily about which side could produce more guns because a lot of weapons supplied to the ARVN by the U.S. would up in the hands of the communists anyways.
>>2847434where can you apply to be a paid protestor? sounds great
you know its over when r/neoliberal is posting paragraphs of Engels to justify free trade
>>2847434Gotta love how he conspicuously didn't actually quote the first line of the poem.
>>2847476I thought Talarico already won the primary though?
>>2847481He did but there's an idiotic Twitter war between white Talarico supporters (who are annoying white libs to be clear) and black Crockett supporters who are still mad about it for asinine reasons. Then the black Democrats split with some supporting Talarico and others being mad.
>>2847084Chinese military science textbook says "The correct strategic policy is the correct understanding of the objective conditions by the strategic instructor and the basic guarantee for victory in the military conflict." Chinese military scientisits are correct in all cases in this principle because Military science is the study of universal material laws of war. War is politic therefore subjective factor like morale and scientific correctness is most decisive factor in all struggle.
>>28474555 years will produce decades
>>2847497Jasmine Crockett isn't going to campaign for Talarico and will be the fall girl when Talarico loses. The black fatigue will be overwhelming from the democrats it will actually be painful to see
>>2847500>Chinese military scientisits are correct in all casesscience is a method which scientists sometimes fail to abide by
>>2847377>feelgood jesuit bullshit is communismCome on.
>>2847311Incorrect. Capital moves to the periphery. The core could not live without exploiting the periphery
>>2847527lol where did you even find that video
>>2847451>This is not normalleast favorite thing libs do
>>2847364so like a cross between Afrikaner and Australian
>>2847320schrodinger's prez: powerless unless they need to please their donors, then suddenly a dictator
>>2847528Some Chinese person on Twitter talking about what being with their Maopilled parents is like during the holidays
>>2847532Lol, that's exactly how I was going to describe it. Weird parallel to Afrikaner accent I don't know why.
>>2847545yep i'm thinkin that's a gem
>>2847377anti-catholic redscare is going to happen. Hiberian conspiracy and the Italian mafioso and all papist agents will be seen as foreign agents and handled appropriately
>>2847504>5 years will produce decadesIf the US does have a revolution the global capitalists are going to set up base in Brazil and Argentina and rev up CANZUK as an actual bloc to attempt to contain a hypothetical Socialist USA
>>2847434Why do I have the feeling that the picture trump is showing is AI Generated? The right-wing seems to love using AI because it seems to allow them to see the world as they think it is and not the world as it really is.
t. vid related
Pool status?
Meloni shows more opposition to Trump than Delcy Rodriguez. Shame.
>>2847650trump lost his aura with the whole iran war thing
pic unrelated
>>2847650imperialist nations have more agency than oppressed nations? wow who could have possibly guessed
>>2847564He's having a go at the flowers now!
>>2847399Soyjaks are basically thought killers and we need to beat jakkers for sport as a society
>>2847679Lenin and Mao are overrated. Marx would laugh at you.
>>2847687Marx was a retard westoid, it took eastern working hands to implement any of his nonsense and take the liberalism out
>>2847687โA nation cannot become free and at the same time continue to oppress other nations. โ
โโKarl Marx and Frederick Engels in Deutsche-Brsseler-Zeitung๏ผOn Poland๏ผSpeeches at the International Meeting held in London on November 29,1847 to mark the 17th Anniversary of the Polish Uprising of 1830
โthe liberation and unification of the oppressed and subdivided nations became a watchword common to all of them.โ
โโWhat have the working classes to do with Poland?
Written by Engels between the end of January and April 6, 1866;
hmmm
>>2847704>hmmmIs this supposed to be a counter point or something because I donโt disagree with this, and I can just there are no free nations, rendering your counter moot.
russophiles really are something else
>>2847739Tribalists in general need to be destroyed. Theyโre a liability to the species in an era where nukes exist
>>2847739It appears Russiaโs superiority is cause for controversy
>>2847679correct
>>2847675>>2847687>>2847700being retarded on purpose
>>2847682what was the context of the conversation again? oh yeah, someone was chanting "commie pope" because the pope said something vaguely nice. Maybe that's the real thought killer? I'm not a fan of soyjaks either I just quickly searched the booru for something making fun of religion.
>>2847739bruh the thread is full, why are you even posting bait like this.
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