/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2867264
They’re receiving billions of Euros as life support and people are getting kidnapped off the streets to be sent to the front because they won’t go voluntarily for “their own” defence.
To suggest they’ve not collapsed is to reduce the standards for “functioning society” to flagpoles still flying the Ukrainian flag.

>>2867268
>They’re receiving billions of Euros as life support
Anyone who thinks this is mentally retarded. The EU wasn't even willing to bail out Greece, which was an actual NATO member and core part of Europe. They haven't given Ukraine anything other than debt that they'll expect to be repaid back at some point (most likely Ukraine giving them prime agricultural land or privatizing enterprises in exchange for debt reduction).

Currently the official EU site claims they "gave" 226 billion.

86 billion of that wasn't money it was just spare military equipment and bullets they had in their stockpiles that was calculated according to USD value.

So that leaves 140 billion. Of that remaining 140 billion, 50 billion of it was just loans (so, debt).

That leaves 90 billion. Another 18 billion of that was spent on helping Ukrainian refugees in other states (i.e., money spent in other EU countries and not actually spent to help anyone in Ukraine or the Ukrainian military).

Down to 72 billion now. Another 2.2 billion of that was to transport Ukrainian grain (so the EU stealing Ukrainian grain lol). That leaves around 70 billion. Another 4 billion of that was stolen from frozen Russian funds.

That leaves 66 billion. Spread out over 4 years that's 16.5 billion USD a year, assuming the EU isn't lying about the remainder being """"free""" aid. Ukraine's total budget spending averages around 70 billion USD/year from 2022-2025. The EU didn't even manage to fund a quarter of Ukrainain government spending per year. So much for the "life support".

The Russian budget alone in USD:
2022 - 390 Billion
2023 - 372 Billion
2024 - 400 Billion
2025 - 490 Billion

So Ukraine = (70 billion a year budget x 4) + 66 billion EU aid = 346 Billion for the entire war thus far.

Even if you ignore how most of the EU aid wasn't even aid and take the full 226 figure, it only goes up to 506 billion spent over this war.

Russia = 1652 Billion spent.

And I'm supposed to believe that Ukraine which has severely under-spent Russia even when EU aid is factored in, is on the verge of collapse? LOL. Ziggers can't do math. Ukraine is actually winning the economic war by a tremendous amount. The fact that they can force a stalemate while spending anywhere from 3 to 4.5 times less than the Russians is insane.

>>2867288
Everything is technically free when it's not your money.

>debt that they'll expect to be repaid back at some point
Ukraine has given them everything that they have in the areas that they have. They have promised war booty in donbass, but they would have to win the war and not just freeze it on the current lines, but take donbass and Crimea to get that money for western porkies. Western taxpayers will foot the bill, Ukraine can't and will not pay a single cent back.

Plus if you tally the total cost for the war in lost trade and growth, energy prices etc the price tag for NATO/EU/Ukraine is astronomical. The weapons and drones come for pennies compared to that. Also helping refugees in the Eu is actually just harming the Ukrainian war effort. That is good meat that should be at the front.

>>2867288
>The EU wasn't even willing to bail out Greece
Greece wasn’t selling its population wholesale as cannon fodder in a war that is ultimately about targeting Russian economic assets. Didn’t read beyond that tbh.

>wasn't money it was just spare military equipment
oh, they gave ukraine goods. it's not money! they don't need, they won't need to use their money to get weapons, otherwise creating a financial hole of 86 billions.
>50 billion of it was just loans
oh, it's not money! it's debt!
how dare you to say that's life support?
the EU, known institution for their candid love to give no other than 50 billions in loans, because you know, it's not money, it's just a loan!!!
>That leaves 66 billion. Spread out over 4 years that's 16.5 billion USD a year
for a country with less than 30 million, that's a lot lmao.
in 2024 the 2025 budget of ukraine was
>UAH 3.6 trillion
source: https://www.mof.gov.ua/en/news/verkhovna_rada_ukraini_priiniala_derzhbiudzhet_na_2025_rik_oboronu_kraini_bude_zabezpecheno-4897
by the rate of that time that was
>~$87.01 billion
approximate rate of that time: https://unn.ua/en/news/currency-exchange-rates-as-of-november-19-the-dollar-and-the-euro-are-growing-in-value
are you telling me that near to 20% of their budget is free cash in form of grants alone?
and that's not life support?
who's the mentally challanged?

>>2867301
they fucking forced tsipras to destroy his political movement for a measly 5 billion eu loan. of course, the greek coward didn't grow a backbone, but holly shit. germans bragged about getting 5 billions of the greek pension funds, while in greece the population faced a corralito for months.

>Waahh the EU is giving Ukraine money it's not fairrrrrr
Then nuke the central bank to paralyze all foreign transactions.
>Waahh Zelensky is being a pee-poo meany head
Then nuke his house or nuke the Ukrainian parliament when it's in session
>Waahh I don't want to escalate
Then shut the fuck up and never complain again because this entire embarassment of a war is being run according to your wishes and everything bad that comes as a result is on you.

>>2867406
Nukes really would solve a lot of the world's problems.

Azov Sea status?

>>2867406
Pissrael does it all the time and it clearly works for them

>>2867406
>Getting angry at stuff no one said
Classic Spurdo

Never ending humiliation ritual.

>>2867533
4 (four) decades of humiliation

:(

>>2867288
There is huge problrm of anarchy of production in Russia also because they used banks to issue credits to military companies instead of taking direct control. It made numbers look good for a while but now the economy is spiralling and they didn't end up producing enough of what they need to win the war or even protect their assets, so the money is being really misused. I understand there is an incentive to keep life as normal as possible for a population that could revolt if they have to go trough rationning and such, and after all the leaders of russia are capitalist shitlibs who hate economy planning… But now russians are paying more and more taxes in a shrinking evonomy doing lines for fuel and while that bullshit war is at an indefinite stalemate anyway so it's very strange to me that they don't try to be more hands on.

>>2867095
>We need to bring Slavs together on the things that unite them like squatting, drinking cheap vodka, love for striped addidas track suits.
We need to bring back this type of guy

Fedorov removed, no good sign, no good name coming up, Fedorov is popular among surveys, survey from 2025 claimed he's popular among 75% of the surveyed people
https://112.ua/de/ak-ukrainci-stavlatsa-do-ministriv-uradu-u-zovtni-2025-rejting-107803
while a recent survey say 50% of the surveyed people trust him.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/06/10/8038613/
zelya trust howver, according to these same media put zelya in high regard with their surveys, so it can be whatever.
however, UA telegram war commentator channels are not happy about it.

lmao, yermolayev thanked zelya "for his personal attention to this case and the assistance already provided," emphasizing that his statement "is not directed against Ukraine or the Ukrainian people."
3 or 4 threads ago, nafo bots were celebrating the attack on yermolayev. mocking the event.

>>2867666
in fact, there are calls to protest the removal of Fedorov.
Strana:
>Calls for a rally against the resignation of Defense Minister Fedorov are already being heard on social media.

>The calls draw parallels with last year's "cardboard revolution" in defense of the NABU.

>Protests are announced for this morning in Kyiv (at the Franko monument) and Lviv (at the Shevchenko monument).

>MP Zheleznyak, who is close to grant circles, writes in this context that the government has developed a "tradition of leading to rallies with its selfish decisions."

>It should be noted that Fedorov is supported by circles close to the NABU and the SAP, as well as European institutions and the US Democratic Party.

>>2867095
Germans would agree that Brits are honorary Slavs.

>>2867668
Protests have apparently started, today I’m ready for
>erm okay, but why should I care about protests in Ukraine? Is their auramaxxing going to end the war? Or is Zelensky and NATO going to keep busifying them to the front? Sorry but Ukraine will fight to the last Ukrainian so long as civilian oil tankers keep going pop
and then them calling us the fascists

>>2867666
>>2867668

Thats it! Those shitposts and tweets in slavic runes persuaded me that everything goes well according to plan and Russia has nothing to fear. Ukraine is collapsing, russian air defense is working fine and naval security is full operational.

Based Putin

>>2867807
Bit of a projection pal since you ziggers are constantly saying shit like "lmao ukraine conscripting billions of people to send them to the front", "loool the us us giving ukraine trillions" like it's funny and somehow good for russia

I mean ctrl f "lmao" in those threads and you will see how that war is apparently hilarious for russian supporters especially the farcoid

>>2867814
It’s not Ziggers who thinks irony is a victory condition.

>>2867801

HHHMMMMM
Salty.
>>2867814
Excuse me, what's not lmaoing about white ultrasupremacist banderonazis losing yet another war of supremacy, just like germanonazis did?

>>2867814
Nazis dying is a good thing actually, cope harder

>>2867933
>germanonazis
Well they didn't really loose, Russia is backing the AfD hard right now, so I guess I should say lmao I'm so happy millions of russian and ukrainian fascists are killing each other

>>2867945
So true! AfD are just like le Hitler just like that FRICKIN ORANGE CHEETO and PUTLER!!!! SLAVS UKRAINE!!! #HANDSOFFMOSSAD #NOKINGS

>>2867948
Wow looks like I broke the kremlin bot by making it white wash the nazis

By the way fun fact about United Russia is that they modeled their party after Japan, so in addition to having ridden that pinochet dick Putin and co have been weeaboos emulating an American occupied colony to set up their government and politics

Unless it was the Russian government espousing the opinion that the Nazis were ackshually the good guys lesser evil on the Eastern Front and should have defeated the Red Army, then they’re not the reason why fascists doing Nazi salutes in Europe are getting blown up again.

>>2867949
The AfD is the only major party in Germany that is opposed to the Zionist genocide of Russians, the unifying policy of all fascists. But keep coping

>>2867945
>Well they didn't really loose
you don't say.
picrel says otherwise.
>Russia is backing the AfD hard right now
backing? I haven't seen a Duma resolution stated 'the people of Russia in their historical yadda yadda … backs the resolute pursue of the ideals represented by the adf and the german people rallying behind the afd'
and no court has declared guilty any afd members of receiving money from Russia.
the only time a court declared that the afd recevied money was from swizertland, from Goal AG and PharmaWholesale International AG (Switzerland) with Alexander Segert and Henning Conle behind scenes.
so cope.
AND YOU MUST SEE WHAT MERZ SAYS ABOUT BLACKS, MINORITIES, AND WAHTEVER IS NOT WHITE IN GERMANY
and that's a 'democracy', 'western values' etc. etc.

>>2867954
it's so unsettling that in Germany the SPD is in coalition with the current CDU, having a fucking racist and white supremacist of the size of merz leading the coalition.
and it's repulsive to see how the SPD fills their websites with Marx's quotes, books, pamphletos and zines all about Marx.
Marx is so dishonored by the german SPD I could have a heart attack of anger by remembering that alone.

>>2867959
SPD is basically just Adolf Hitler wearing the flayed skin of Karl Marx but with policies towards the untermensch unchanged

>>2867959
Ah the SPD is just keeping up their now-ancient tradition of opportunism.
I'm more unsettled by this board supposedly being leftists politically incorrect but this thread attracts particular ire for not being politically correct by western lib standards and their seething takes the form of standard lib politicking.

For example, them bothering to suggest Russia is "backing the AfD hard" with neither evidence or specifics of what that supposed backing involves, but the implication is of course that doesn't matter anyway because the logics is seemingly
>If Russia was personified as a German voter, he wouldn't vote for my party because they're anti-Russia
>Instead they'd vote for the party I wouldn't vote for, simply because they're not anti-Russia
>Therefore I will vote for the anti-Russia party and Russia should know that's their fault
so full support for total war with a nuclear power is justified by an utterly irrelevant and illogical morality test, Russia should neck itself for German libs to continue running unopposed, especially if the alternative is not criticising some German Trumpoids who aren't their problem.

>>2867956
Cope, Russia ships oil to the zionist war machine while AfD supports Israel which in turn praised that nazi party

>>2867957
Cope again, nazi AfD was invited to the SPIEF by the government

>b-but the svastiskas and nazi eagles and ss symbols were isolated incidents the afd is not nazi
now isn't that a nafo argument

Kharkiv got de-gas-ified to the point that gas-loaded trucks are hiding behind schools

Unfortunately the video cropped some of the subtitles, maybe someone here speaks Ukrainian.

I don't know much about AFD because I don't care. At the end of the day, it comes down to the fact that Ukraine is part of the global imperialist system. They have sent soldiers to Iraq and they cooperate with American allies in the middle east a lot, or rather, they tried to before the sheiks found out they're full of shit. You either oppose imperialism in all its forms, including Israel and Ukraine, or you don't. You either side with Palantir, Peter Thiel, the CIA, Jeffrey and friends, or you oppose Ukraine's existence in its post-maidan configuration at a fundamental level and don't recognize it as a legitimate state. The same system is also responsible for everything western leftists oppose at home, including data centers and surveillance. You can't just say "hold up, the CIA is cooking with this extremely anticommunist and fascist state that they use to weaken opposition".
You were propagandized into existence by imperialist capital in early 2022 as part of their efforts to establish even harsher control over planet earth and as such your opinions will never be accepted by anyone with object permanence as having any legitimacy.

>>2867967
You're on the Anglophone portion of the Internet. Western chauvinist myopia is normal here.

>>2868014
thank you for articulating this position so well, this is exactly it

>>2868007
>speaks Ukrainian
>*look inside*
>fluent Russian
Hue.

>>2868023
I can't tell the difference, my bad.

>>2868014
>You either oppose imperialism in all its forms, including Israel and Ukraine, or you don't.
This is all way more complicated and multi-vectored than people make it out to be. Putin himself met with Bush and openly declared the war on Chechnya was part of the "global war on terror against radical Islam." Not sure the jihad against Russia was particularly noble but that was partly why Western countries allowed Putin to flatten Chechnya to the ground. Turkey is also more pro-Ukraine than Israel is (btw Ukrainians have a song singing the praise of a Turkish drone). There are probably more Israeli-Russian dual citizens ethnically cleansing Palestinians while wearing IDF uniforms than Americans, and I don't think they face any consequences when traveling back and forth between Israel and Russia.

Not that Ukraine is particularly anti-Israel (more than most countries) but a lot of what people are choosing who to support based on whether it owns the libtards or not. There are some of them who think Russia defeating Ukraine has some negative consquences for Israel which they also support, but I don't see it tbh. Israel never joined in on the sanctions against Russia, and they still trade with each other.

>>2868014
>global imperialist system.
I hate libs

Something you all might find interesting: a report by the recently fired Fedorov about the current issues Ukraine faces at the front:
>"1. Ukraine's Armed Forces are fighting at the tactical level, although increasingly at the operational level too. Still, fundamentally, "we are still fighting tactically".
<2. The corps system has not yet fully taken shape. "We have corps that are successful, that advance every month and do not lose territory. And we have corps where the commander is replaced every month. There are corps that have developed their own school of thought and philosophy, and there are corps where we do not even know how many brigades they have or what is happening inside them. Everything depends on organization, but there are corps that do not distribute all their resources internally," Fedorov said.
>3. Brigades and corps have been fragmented. "There are brigades that cannot even determine how many battalions they have. A battalion is pulled out of one brigade and thrown into another. It is impossible to build a management system under conditions like these," the defense minister said.
<4. No one is held accountable for anything. "Responsibility is always pushed down the chain. Someone else is always made to carry the blame, there is always talk of an investigation and of 'finding out who is guilty'," Fedorov said.
>5. Supplies are not routed through the corps. Fedorov said the supply problem is "fundamental": "Over the past five months, we have bought more drones than in the whole of last year, but most units have not felt the impact, because everything is distributed manually: if you are loyal, you get something, if you are not, you don't… That is why we launched this system. It was four months of hell, because it took us four months to agree on a simple project for baseline drone provision to brigades."
<6. Constant replacement of commanders.
>7. Isolation and toxic treatment of those who deliver results. "If you succeed, you become a star, and then you hit a dead end. [General Mykhailo] Drapatyi received his third reprimand, goodbye. Sorry, Drapatyi, I think after this speech there will be a fourth reprimand for you. I wouldn't want that to happen, but we have no choice left but to talk about it," Fedorov said.
<8. It is impossible to carry out any systemic project. "Because you constantly run into the same questions: 'But why?' and 'But how?'" the acting defense minister explained.
>9. Human capital is being worn down without proper analysis. Fedorov said they had carried out "a great deal of work", including analyzing losses. "But decisions about who should be supported, who should not, who should be reinforced and who should not are not based on data. They are based on loyalty," he said.
<10. The blocking of initiatives and the "bureaucratic crossfire". "In six months at the Defense Ministry, we have not been able to change the organizational structure because the General Staff refuses to approve it: the name is supposedly wrong, something else is not right, or there is allegedly no need to bring in new people," Fedorov explained.
<11. Constant dishonesty. "This applies to me too: claims that I ordered the investigation into Skelia, that I launched a media campaign, that I did this or that," the acting defense minister said. [The Ukrainian State Bureau of Investigation is conducting a criminal probe into the Skelia unit – 425th Separate Assault Regiment – following reports of at least 26 noncombat deaths, physical abuse, and inadequate medical care for recruits. The unit's commander was suspended, and authorities are currently investigating allegations of systemic abuse – ed.]