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theres a draft riot in kiev and several other cities rn
NAFO on X is again autodoxxing themselves.
>>2850510>Draft Riots Sweep Kiev Amid Mobilization Crisis
>Kyiv, Ukraine – July 15, 2026 – Violent anti-mobilization riots erupted in Kyiv, Lviv, Odesa, Dnipro, and Kharkiv today, as protesters clashed with police and Territorial Recruitment Center (TCC) officers. Crowds overturned recruitment vehicles, set barricades on fire, and blocked roads in scenes reminiscent of the 2014 Maidan protests.
>The unrest follows years of war fatigue in the five-year conflict. Ukraine’s Armed Forces face severe manpower shortages, with estimated military casualties between 500,000 and 600,000 (killed, wounded, and missing) since 2022. Authorities are seeking around 2 million men for draft registration violations, amid reports of aggressive TCC raids on streets, gyms, and public transport.
>A controversial new mobilization law tightening exemptions for men aged 25-60 and extending service terms triggered the explosion of anger. Protesters chanted against “endless war” and demanded demobilization for exhausted troops. At least 8 deaths and over 50 injuries have been reported so far across the cities.
>President Zelenskyy’s office condemned the violence as “unacceptable” while promising investigations into recruitment abuses. The riots highlight deep societal strain, with over 6.8 million Ukrainians having fled the country since the invasion.
>Curfews are now in effect in affected areas as tensions remain high. >>2850510>>2850510Meh, unless they are all armed to the teeth, they won't change much. the ukrainan state has efficiently suppressed all opposition. you can't fight if you are starving, you starve if you aren't connected to the state (and most are sent to die to the front).
reason why the EU won't be cutting that funding. they can't let the world know ukr is a failed state that can't sustain itself alone.
meanwhile in Sumy.
Inter neo-nazi libshit war
Rubio believes no final agreements reached in AnchorageDOHA, June 25. /TASS/. US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said that Russian President Vladimir Putin and his US counterpart Donald Trump failed to secure any final agreements on Ukraine settlement at their meeting in Anchorage.
"There was no agreement in Alaska. There was a proposal in Alaska, but there was no agreement in Alaska. If there had been an agreement, we would have had an end to the war," Rubio told journalists in Manama, the capital of Bahrain, in the course of his state visit.
https://tass.com/world/2151517 >>2850548Sorry but nobody said that multipolarity and total US hegemony death would be nice to anybody.
>>2850548If they are both equally bad then why does USA side with Ukraine? That alone should tell you all you need to know.
https://x.com/OlgaBazova/status/2069843118120378666
>Mash reports that Ukraine has lost 2.4 million soldiers in the four years of the SMO, more than 400,000 of them in 2026. These figures were obtained by our hackers from the databases of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, TCC centers, Ukrainian medical organizations and morgues.
>By August 2025, the number of eliminated soldiers reached 1.7 million — by December, the figure exceeded 2 million. In the first six months of 2026, the AFU lost as many soldiers as they did in all of 2023 — approximately 400,000. The highest number of deaths occurred on the Pokrovsk, Konstantinovka, Liman, Zaporozhye, and Kupyansk fronts — each of them averaging 500 AFU militants killed per day. The most deaths occurred in the 72nd and 110th Motor Rifle Brigades, airborne assault brigades, and territorial defense forces.
>Deaths of foreign mercenaries are no longer recorded among the casualties — they are all attributed to accidents. According to our information, the number of foreigners killed in the Ukrainian Armed Forces is close to five thousand. The figure continues to rise, as the TCC regularly replenishes the ranks of militants with foreigners — 5-6 of whom are recruited by each TCC center in Kiev alone, including many young men (20-23 years of age on average) from Argentina and Brazil.
>The Ukrainian databases were hacked by PalachPro hackers and the NoName057 group (16) — these are the same guys who used AI to hack into 50,000 surveillance cameras for surveillance in the Ukraine and EU. >>2850555
That's a really dumb thing to say anon. I won't quote you in case you want to do yourself the service of deleting it before others see it.
>>2850558We are to believe Russia killed the whole army of ukraine and then some but still struggles to take bumfuck nowhere villages. Bruh the propaganda has to be a little believable
Our response /cuck/bros? >>>/siberia/799309
>>2850555
>Because the US is a competing imperialist bloc against Russia.
USA is the current dominate capitalist power and has suppressed communists around the world for decades. Russia weakens the dominate block giving more opportunities to communists. Both China and North Korea support Russia for the same reason.
>By your logic the Marxist position in WWII was to side with Imperial Japan.
Weird leap. I don't get your reasoning either.
>>2850570>Russia weakens the dominate block lol, lmao even
>>2850575
>In order for a competing imperialist bloc to be worth offering any support to in specific contexts (Such as Iran) they have to be fighting for something that matters. What is Russia fighting for? They're in an inter-imperialist war built on GWoT-teir justifications. They accelerated an existing power struggle into a full blown major war that's killed 500,000 people in an attempt to make Ukraine a Russian puppet state instead of a Western puppet state.
You're very confused.
>>2850576>>2850558the sad part is that no one will mourn them.
>>2850565struggles? they took Konstantinovka in a such a short glimpse of time, compared to a smaller big town like Artyomovsk, and I am sure that by the end of this year of 2027 all Donetsk is taken.
>>2850555
>By your logic the Marxist position in WWII was to side with Imperial Japan.
They of course are not equally bad, while both were certainly imperialists. Japan and Germany got the short end of the stick imperial games. They would have sought to make their bourgeoisie more profitable by taking resources and cracking down on every population they would have conquered and as well as their own.
Both countries were in a revolutionary moment after WW1 and victims of British and American imperialism, but all the anger and loss of national self esteem got co-opted by fascists. In the end their populations got suicided for profits. Ukraine same way was gotten shafted since the 90s by the west. All the anger and resentment was channeled to hate the moskal for Ukrainian decline, poverty and corruption. Now the populations get shoveled to meatgrinder for Nato. Really speaks about the necessity of being ready to educate and organize the people when the time comes.
>>2850570>Russia weakens the dominate block giving more opportunities to communists.True. If it didn't, this conflict wouldn't be happening. The US has admitted as much, explicitly and implicitly. Not to mention its increasingly Asia-oriented outlook undermines US imperial designs there, whether by materially supporting states the US is opposed to, by economically cooperating with them, or at the very least by forcing NATO to expend expensive or otherwise irreplaceable equipment in the fighting in Ukraine.
>>2850586>the sad part is that no one will mourn them.Alas.
>>2850555
>By your logic the Marxist position in WWII was to side with Imperial Japan.
ngl pearl harbor was kinda goated
>>2850575
>In order for a competing imperialist bloc to be worth offering any support to in specific contexts (Such as Iran) they have to be fighting for something that matters.
The only point is to weaken imperialism and not help it. For Russians this war is very clearly a war against western encroachment into Ukraine and Russia and not just a Putin's fancy with no real point, just like western liberals seem to think. It doesn't really even mean if Russia is openly fascistic/not progressive or not. Russian loss just means that it gets reintegrated into Nato/western imperialist block with Ukraine and Russian fascists will be replaces with western appointed fascist, Russians and Ukrainians get crushed and they and probably the world will get 50 more years of burgerreich dark ages. Russian victory would be a blow to western imperialism and would at least raise Russian consciousness against imperialism and maybe it could save Ukraine from being bled dry.
>>2850596
>proudhon there
coal
>>2850572Being a drain of hundreds of billions of dollars worth of resources and weapons is weakening them and already causing internal problems. Now western Europe can't even turn on air conditioners while USA's real economy is collapsing as they pray the AI gods will save them.
>>2850575>>2850579Life is not a test of moral character. You either win and enact your ideals or die a slave. So sometimes in order to win you have to do things you don't morally like.
First of all, blind endorsement or total support of capitalists isn't the way to win. However using various enemies against each other is fine.
Therefore I would have supported Imperial Japan as a counter balance to the western imperialism if they didn't already side with Nazi Germany. It takes large organized military machine to fight off large organized military machines. That is why irl the USSR ended up siding with British Empire, French Empire and American Empire against Germany. Germany at the time was an existential threat to the USSR so joining with some competing imperial powers against others was the logical conclusion.
Russia, a country in recession now, didn't even take the Donbass in 5 years while expending all their soviet shit not killing one american soldier, meanwhile 2 countries joined NATO which is now massively spending on their military. Because Russia was over extended they just watched Gaza get genocided, Assad toppled, Maduro captured and Vemezuela kneel to the US, with Cuba now on the line. This whole stupid campaign made the "dominant" faction of capitalism stronger and Russia weaker, the only silver lining is the imbecility of Trump but Russiagate is a hoax so we have to thank the american people for that really
>>2850591
>Tell me where I'm wrong.
Well, thing one, Euromaidan doesn't "just happen." You make this all sound like it just fell out of the sky, as though these nazis just spung up from the ground after Nato "makes some calls." That's an awfully convenient way to just ignore that it was Nato harboring, supporting, and cultivating these Nazis throughout the Cold War. It's an awfully convenient way to ignore that the destruction or otherwise subjugation of Russia has been an avowed policy goal of Washington since the 90s. It's an awfully convenient way to obfuscate that the expansion of Nato since the end of the Cold War has happened step by step with the overt purpose of isolating, engaging, and ultimately in defeating Russia on its way to vanquishing China and securing its global hegemony for at least the following century.
And that's all aside from the specific events that precipitated Euromaidan, and during it, all of which the US and Nato had a direct hand in.
>>2850555
>imperialism is what encyclopedia britanica tells me it is!
>>2850599
That's Nato's plan actually.
>>2850602You read too much yankee propaganda
>>2850611Bro two anti imperialist countries have fallen to the US in the time Russia took to get to the center of a midsize town. If I was a Russian chauvinist I would just kill myself or bomb the kremlin at this point
>>2850612You read way too much yankee propaganda. You should spend more time reading theory, of all sorts.
>>2850624
>Russia has fucking nukes, they don't need to start major wars to keep themselves from getting invaded or overthrown
If Ukraine keep building up it's NATO funded military and later invaded, Russia wouldn't launch nukes because that region is their breadbasket and the fallout could drift into their own country. Preemptive invasion was the smart move even if Putin fucked up the execution.
>If I need to sell my organs to make enough money to pay the admins to shut this website down I will do it
No counter argument, huh?
>>2850624
>Was it not basically implied that NATO is behind the Nazi presence in Ukraine?
It was "basically implied" that you buy the western propaganda and implicitly absolve it of its role in creating this whole conflict.
>Also Russia does not have a right to invade 3rd world countries under the guise of "Self defense".
Oh, sorry, I mean explicitly absolve it.
Like, you can't honestly take everything Nato has done up to and including acknowledging that Nato had picked out a Nazi government to do its bidding, which is explicitly to attack Russia, and then also trot out the Nato canard about Russia "not having the right to invade a third world (???) country in the guise of 'self defense'." You're just being dishonest at that point. You're just saying that Nato can do anything it wants to whoever it wants and no one else can fight back, while trying to act like this current conflict not only came from nowhere, but that the fault lies with the actual targets of people that have already suffered from imperialist attacks on their country.
So you're either mistaken and misguided, or you're an actual liar here to carry water for Nato. Which is it?
>>2850628Not to mention that even before the invasion Zelensky was threatening to get nuclear weapons to use against Russia.
https://mronline.org/2022/03/05/ukraine-nukes/ It's crazy how the threadsliders from sharty almost never touch the Russian Ukraine thread.
>>2850646
>You think Ukraine was going to launch an invasion of Russia in 2022?
"2022" was never written once in my post. I only said it would happen sometime in the future no specific date. Even just a few more years of Ukraine building up their NATO funded military would have put Russia at a huge disadvantage. It would have been dumb to wait.
>you basically admitted that you would have supported their invasion of China since Nazi Germany was not yet backing Japan at the time.
Imperial Japan invading Fascist China is what allowed the communists to win the civil war. The outside invasion gave communist the ability to build up their forces all while the nationalists suffered huge losses.
>there's no point in arguing over what Marxism is
This isn't about Marxism. I'm talking practical politics and you are talking abstract moralism disconnected from the real world.
>le """""anti-campists""""" (NATO leftists) still going on in the year of our Lord 2025
>and I am sure that by the end of this year of 2027 all Donetsk is taken.
Whoa! By the end of the century maybe another oblast as well?
>>2850719>>2850691Russia is winning.
Your (NATO) response?
>>2850572NATO eating shit is funny, yes.
Inter-imperialist war guys
Le interimperialist conflict
"Fight against the imperialism is a sham and a humbug" - Lenin.
If Ukraine defeats Russia and in turn becomes the new "second military of the world" and maybe even too powerful as the drone superpower for the US to be comfortable with, will you then turn on Ukraine for no longer being smol nation? Or will you commit to Ukraine's right to exist even when they've still got now-victorious Neo-Nazis in important positions and they still have the ability to strike 2000km outside of their borders including their western border? What if they become the drone grandmaster in NATO's conquering of Africa to deny the Chinese a continental market that belongs to west by right of former colonialism?
There's a lot of fear mongering about what Russia is capable of if victorious in Ukraine, but ideas of what a Ukrainian victory looks like is suspiciously undiscussed. All the Nazi salutes and honouring of genocides are dismissed as "they're just at war right now bro" as though it's assured they'll just drop all of that as soon as they've won. Someone ITT claimed there was going to be a "rebuild fund" for Ukraine, but what if that doesn't happen and NATO states start demanding loan repayments instead? What if countries like Poland who share a border with them or Hungary and Slovakia who use oil pipelines that run through Ukraine decide they don't want Ukraine in the EU or NATO simply because Kiev has proven itself hostile, does the Nazi saluting rhetoric return? What happens if Russia's supposedly ravaged oil infrastructure can no longer supply Ukraine who prior to 2014 used to get away with syphoning off oil and gas without payment?
Nah lets just assume they'll miraculously build wholesome social liberal society on a budget of negative $500 billion.
Lmao we know what the answer is already, it's because post-war Ukraine is an irrelevancy. If they collapse then oh well, their sacrifice wasn't in vain and if they don't but become unruly then NATO can crush them in 24 hours by just turning off the money hose, right?
Either way they never had to commit to neutrality between NATO and Russia, which is comparable to being expended by NATO to fuck Russia off for even asking about a neutral zone, better to die free than live as slave amirite anti-campists?
>>2850784If recent leaks are to be believed, Ukraine managed to expend over 2 million soldiers in those 26 kilometres.
I hope whoever strings up Cucktin once this mess is over and done with immediately proceeds with Total Euroid Nuclear Annihilation afterwards.
Small Smokey fire over Kiev yesterday despite claims all Russian missiles were shot down, anyone want to get really overexcited about that? No?
>>2850587Critical support for Nazi Germany against USA imperialism.
>>2850784Well my uktainians hackers with blurry screenshots said 26 millions russians died for this
>I hate the CIA but I would NEVER EVER oppose its armed outposts as long as the right words are flashed in front of me
I'm not sure Putin and co are nationalists, even less chauvinists. Remember the ruling class of Russia is made up of the degenerates who happily looted the soviet union to amass wealth while the average russian was prostituting himself for heroin and vodka. The Russian capitalists who own the country and now have record wealth while the economy is contracting, they are not to different than the US ones, they are degenerate gamblers who wanted to make a quick rubble or garner some political power with this Ukraine thing which didn't work out at all. Because all the rot and corruption they were happy to let flounder in their country to make money? Well turns out it doesn't work out at all when you do some serious military business.
That nazi/nato "we must save our country from existential threat" it's just a narrative they use coldly to make the blissfully foolish masses happy to die in the trenches, understand that massive inflation of treats like potatoes and rice is okay while they extract just a little more value.
>>2850833>Germany and japan were just le evil, the end. If you try to understand anything or their causes you are an apologist and sympathetic and basically a one step away from fascism. This is what we have come to.
Its not worth fighting ziggers because they will just disappear when Russia eventually amicably resolves this conflict in a manner beneficial to all imperialist parties involved with the exception of Ukraine. Like how no one talks about Venezuela anymore. All that yapping about sinking US carriers or 500 million Chavista Ubermensch just to run away and not even give us the satisfaction of laughing at them.
>>2851306Last month they were drumming up robots as the solution to the meat shortage. Maybe the plan now is half robots, half poor and/or bloodthirsty suckers.
>>2850913
it's absolutely correct,without outside intervention destroying the previous government,none of the revolutionary movements would have had that much success
>>2851319The plan is probably to take whatever they can get.
What use could there be to try and rope Belarus into the war? Ukraine is already losing ground on its eastern front, so what use is it to open up a new northern one?
Is it just an excuse to justify bombing Belarus to inflict some damage on it? Or are they hoping that Belarus is more fragile, and damaging it will create a domino effect where Lukashenko gets ousted, and then somehow Putin gets the boot, too?
Moneyshot status?
>>2851619The ground doesn't matter. If the AFU captured 50,000 sqkm of land in in the Magadan Oblast, would you argue Ukraine was winning?
The ground only matters as far as its the terrain on which the war of attrition takes place. They could be fighting over northern Chernihiv, and it would matter just as much as far as the AFU supply chain goes.
The main issue continues to be that the AFU can hit the RAF supply chain deep into Russia, but they can't do the reverse by hitting Europe. Belarus is close to a win-win gambit, because either the transmitters remain offline, or they get to hit another part of the supply chain by targeting factories and refineries.
What is Lukashenko gonna do about it? March every active duty member into northern Kyiv and do a repeat of what happened 4 years ago?
One of the biggest changes here is that before, the capabilities didn't exist to hit either Russia or Belarus repeatedly. Now they do. So Bankova can afford to threaten Minsk and not worry about them calling their bluff.
Another issue is that in Ukraine people have spend 4 years dealing with and preparing for power cuts, lack of refining capacity and so on. Belarus isn't prepared, Crimea apparently wasn't prepared either.
>>2850646One of the most striking hypocrisies of the "multipolarista" crowd is that they're never consistent. No one invested in Russia winning because Ukraine banned communist parties or whatever believes Trump bombing Iran was justified for a similar reason. Every reactionary impulse is excused and justified as part of the great Manichean struggle between Good ("Axis of Resistance") and Evil (The West).
>>2851692>The ground doesn't matter.Alright autismo "Ukraine is already losing so what do they hope to gain by opening another front to lose on"
>the rest of your postOh you're retarded nvm
>>2851759I wonder what Ukrainians feel when they see all those lines of foreign made cars in Russia and then compare it to similar lines in Kiev, where half of cars are Soviet made or even Russian made.
And now, once again, "kar": there is no way out of this situation yet and there is no prospect of it in the foreseeable future. No, personally, I really want the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to collapse, for peace to come quickly, for the government of Ukraine to be replaced by more sane people… Yes, comrades Ukrainians, if you have any doubts about the fact that the Katsaps have a government with oddities, as I even wrote in this article, then keep in mind that Russia was dragged into this war in order for Europe to buy American gas instead of its gas, and for Ukraine to fight for American gas to be sold in Europe. Do you notice the difference?.. But, alas, it is possible to continue to talk every day about the fact that we are advancing on the entire line of contact – a tongue without bones. But even some semi-official persons involved in intelligence services are beginning to prepare us for the fact that this war will last for 30 years.
I’ve still not seen anyone explain why droning oil and gas infrastructure in Crimea is a good idea from Ukraine’s perspective. There’s a lot of celebrating that it’s about to fall, but the strikes within Russia are supposed to be costing Russia billions whereas Ukraine droning Crimea is surely costing Ukraine billions if they aim to recapture it?
Blowing the bridges connecting Crimea to the mainland and trying to destroy all economic activity on the peninsula looks to me more like Ukraine is abandoning it, not priming it for a beach party.
>>2851816Actually glassing the territory you want to obtain is a good thing because the trillions you'll have to spent to make it somewhat inhabitable will make line go up!
>>2851816There he is. Looking to justify how losing Crimea is good for Russia because Ukraine has destroyed Crimea anyway.
>>2851816>why bomb enemy???? bombs cost money, take that hyhylsThis might be one of your most retarded posts ever in these threads. Congrats zigger.
>>2851820One suspects that ziggers thought process is similar to the type of analysis the NSDAP had in 1944.
Why is the Red Army shelling Stalingrad???? Don't they want to reoccupy it??????
Jesus wept.
>>2851830>>2851827>>2851820Yeah these aren’t actually explanations.
Like it’s fine if you don’t know why Ukraine has decided now to target Crimea like it targets mainland Russia and you’re just assuming whatever Ukraine does must be towards total victory, it’s just probably not something that warrants a mocking tone.
In all likelihood, Kramatorsk will fall and at least for Donbass that will be the line Russia will be willing to freeze the conflict on, problem with that is current Ukrainian/NATO demands for a ceasefire depend on being able to use the time to bus troops and weapons to refortify Kramatorsk which will no longer be a possibility. I suspect therefore Iullia Mendel is correct in thinking Kiev is trying to make a bad deal look good, yes Ukraine has essentially lost Donbass in the deal but Russia was also desperate for a ceasefire because
>Zelensky allegedly put his balls on the table with Lukashenko and Belarus supposedly turned its back on Putin and cucked to Kiev
>Crimean civilians allegedly have been forced to leave, that makes Crimea a grey zone and Pro-Ukrainians always consider grey zones to be ackshually liberated
>Ukraine keeps targeting factories of alleged military importance piecemeal during the day and killing some of the staff, as Stubb said recently; Russia can’t be defeated on the battlefield but can be defeated if civilians are terrorised enough turn on the government
>>2851820>losing Crimeawe moved from
>blow the Crimean bridgeto
>make some smokeit's as if some things aren't achievable for ukraine at this point :^)
While NAFO bots in this thread are carrying water for NATO, spouting fake news that Russia is stalled…
The “South” group liberated 93 buildings in Konstantinovka over the past 24 hoursMOSCOW, June 27. /TASS/. Over the past 24 hours, assault troops from the “South” military group have liberated 93 buildings in the town of Konstantinovka in the DPR, according to Vadim Astafye, head of the group's press center.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/27862629Now what, nazis? Ninety-three buildings. Ukrainian collapse in inevitable.
Nazi Germany was anti-imperialist.
So Cucktin list huh
>>2851692>The Great Manichean Struggle between Good ("Axis of Resistance") and Evil (The West).If you deny this framing you are not a Marxist. This is literally what the 21st Century is.
>>2851980(me) accidentally cut off part of my post:
My challenge to you Grillpilled, since you were originally Lithuanian and are now vacationing in Kiev: which countries in Europe ban Communist parties? Which countries don't? If a country from section A (banners) is in a war against a country from section B (legalizers) then regardless of who fired the first shot and who is "defending their land" and who is "attacking" then it is the duty of all Communists to support the country where Communism is still legal. This is not a moralistic analysis. It is a realistic one. Countries where we are allowed to operate freely or at least under less restrictions are countries that will inevitably be easier to stage Communist revolutions or revolts in. Therefore regardless of all other factors we MUST support any country where Communist agitation is legal against any country where Communist agitation is outlawed by the state apparatus.
>>2851980>>2851985>Therefore regardless of all other factors we MUST support any country where Communist agitation is legal against any country where Communist agitation is outlawed by the state apparatus.Yes I too support Israel and the United States in their war against Iranian and Hamas anti-communists…
Aside from the issue with taking up a position like that. And leaving aside what if any correlation there is between the success of a communist movement and the level of anti-communism repression (see the Bolsheviks). There's the issue of what this is all supposed to be about.
This whole Manichean struggle rests on this final showdown between Good and Evil making communism possible. But it's not like life isn't worth living (including for communists) without that. It's a religious and apocalyptic framing. Which also ignores the communism of 'everyday life' and fulfillment found outside of this 'apocalyptic struggle', or all the other associated activity taking place outside of an (official) communist party.
https://davidgraeber.org/articles/communism/Also FYI, I'm not grillpilled or Lithuanian. As a fun anecdote: I'm back in Poland for a few days, and today I ran into an anti-Ukrainian nationalist/nazi march. I wonder if Champ will now argue Poland is a nazi state considering I ran into two orders of magnitude more antisemitic reactionaries today than I've seen in all of Lviv.
you are literally CIA if you push the "Russia = imperialist" line
thank you for your attention to this matta
>>2851869My favorite things about these fluffer announcements is that it's not clear how any of these buildings have been 'removed' from the grey zone. When a building is 'liberated' does it acquire some sort of magical aura preventing it from being drone striked? Is the battle over for good now? Can everyone return home?
>>2852023>My favourite Lmao right
>When a building is 'liberated' does it acquire some sort of magical aura preventing it from being drone striked?Even with all of the EU and US’ drone production capacity, Ukraine can’t keep droning every building they’ve lost in perpetuity, they will eventually be forced to focus on whatever the next settlement or tree line that is contested.
The fact you keep referring to auras, like statues having auras and liberated buildings having auras, suggests you just don’t have the foggiest about how
anything works but rather than accepting that you seem to suggest it’s because it’s all unknowable.
What’s the connection between Bandera statues and connoisseurs of Nazi iconography?
>Errrm I dunno, the statue has an aura that brainwashes people? Kek! >>2852043No Champ, I'm mocking the fact that these maps and announcement do not display anything "meaningful". What does liberating a building mean? Does it mean it was cleared? Does it mean they checked and there were no Ukrainian soldiers there? Is the building still there after being "liberated", or was it destroyed? Does it mean it's guaranteed they won't be able to return without first passing through some sort of roadblock, or chokepoint? We've gone from "liberating" regions, to cities, to raions, to microdistricts to individual buildings now.
What's the point of these announcements involving settlements where almost no one is living anymore? To prove to their gooning war voyeur audiences that something's 'happening'. Which buildings were liberated? Where? How? Why? According to whom? What does it matter for taking the town? What strategic advantages are gained by capturing this particular city and how will it shorten the war and force Bankova into capitulating? Who knows. The point is to prove there's no stalemate so people like (you) (and especially the pro-war crowd in Russia) don't lose their hard-ons.
>>2852073Well I did just explain why liberated buildings don’t need an “aura” to be worthwhile.
>>2852012FYI I’d argue any state that is currently depleting their economies to prop up a state that honours genocide and justifies a complete unwillingness to accept compromise to end the conflict by dehumanising Russians in their mainstream media to be fascist.
Ukraine bombing Russian oil infrastructure is actually good for Russia because it helps Russia cut CO2 emissions and help the environment
>>2851869Didn't this village fell like two weeks ago? Is it falling again? For how long are you going to be milking it?
>>2852181Please, if all of these smokey fires causes an increase in cancer rates and birth defects in Russia then that's going to be celebrated as Ukraine's "dead man's switch".
>>2852020attention to this mattered thanked.
2 more weeks until the Crimean beach party of 2023 materializes
>>2852122But in a war of attrition, why are the buildings worthwhile? Are there munition plants changing hands?
Would it be meaningful if the AFU captured 93 building in Kolyma? Is there a particular density of buildings before it becomes worthwhile?
Why would the war end anyway if either side 'captures' the Donbas. Let's say for example that tomorrow the AFU 'liberates' the entire Donbas; why would the war end on the Russian side? Is this like a video game where the map physically ends at the internationally recognized borders of Ukraine/Russia? If tomorrow the RAF captures Kramatorsk, would Bankova be forced to capitulate because they lost too many "control points"?
The amount of fluffing and punditry surrounding the war is ridiculous. The maps are ridiculous too when you consider the ranges of the weapon systems involved.
>>2852495>But in a war of attrition, why are the buildings worthwhile?Once again you're putting the cart before the horse.
>>2852112>>I‘m seriously worried we might be seeing the narrative preparations for something bad. Something very bad.it's the same worry every time. Ukraine lost Konstantinivka and Lyman. Media and pro-Ukraine infospace is trying very hard to make people not look. Also when they say Russia is collapsing they are just prepping projection accusations of Ukraine collapsing. First accuser always has the advantage in narrative wars. Western leadership knows both projection and distraction very well.
EU leadership isn't even banking their hopium on a war, they know they can't win, even if they sacrifice Balts, Poland and Finland fully to the wargod. and their only personal lose condition is if they get nuked or airstriked in Brussels. They are banking on democrat win in two years, so that they can cash in the promise that Biden gave them in 2022 of victory over Russia and war booty and looting rights. They just need to keep Ukraine standing until then and the domestic narrative in check. With clear balance between "Russia so weak, just a little more and we win" and "Russia is existential threat and vatniks will burn your homes and eat your children if we don't give gazzilion dollars to zelensky".
I have a feeling Russians will go down in history as the biggest chumps, the most mindbroken rubes of the 21st century. Despite ostensibly being among the "winners" of the cold war.
Another day, another refinery
A fire broke out at an oil refinery in the Kuban region after debris from a UAV fell onto the premisesKRASNODAR, June 28. /TASS/. Debris from a UAV fell in Slavyansk-on-Kuban in the Krasnodar Region, causing a fire at an oil refinery. The debris damaged a power line and shattered windows in one of the private homes, according to a report from the region’s operational headquarters on “Max.”
https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/27864343In other news, Putin and Lukashenko have been in closed-door negotiations for 2 days.
Putin and Lukashenko continued their talks at Valdai on June 27MOSCOW, June 27. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin continued his talks with his Belarusian counterpart, Alexander Lukashenko, on June 27 at his residence in Valdai. Dmitry Peskov, the Russian leader’s press secretary, confirmed to TASS the reports that had appeared earlier.
“I can confirm that President Putin and President Lukashenko are indeed continuing their talks today at the Russian president's residence in Valdai,” said a Kremlin spokesperson.
https://tass.ru/politika/27863869>>2852497Nonsense, frontlines are effectively boggled down, even though Russia is trying to attrition Ukrainians down. Initial Euro-Ukrainian goals of destroying Russia, reparations, yadda yadda, have been replaced with "if you don't cease fire on the current front lines, we will continue to drone you!!1"
The only way for euros to win is boots on the ground in sufficient quatities to cause frontline change, which is impossible due to drone saturation. The only way for Russia to win is the same, which is also impossible. Droning doesn't work, just like bombing industries didn't work in WW2, just like Ukraine hadn't capitulated despite Russia destroying so much Ukrainian targets that they are now dropping bombs and drones on gas stations.
Realistically speaking, Ukraine is slowly becoming a no man's buffer state, where terrorism and all the fun activities will happen, Russia being unable to control it, Euros being unable to move in despite claiming alliance with Ukraine, and this shit will probably last decades.
This is the direct result of USSR dissolution. USSR roflstomped Europe and made them so fearful they bonded into NATO. Now they are feeling strong again, to the point that USA no longer has leverage over them.
By the way, geopolitics were invented by Friedrich Ratzel, the same man who invented lebensraum. To all the people claiming that geopolitics is a real science
>>2852586The Russians didn't "win" the Cold War it's more like they got psy-opped into blowing up and demolishing their own society and were somehow naive enough to think that America and Europe wouldn't immediately put them into an imperialist chokehold once they lost their strength and ideology and became just another generic capitalist country. Putin, Chubais, Yeltsin, all of these Russian "nationalists" are the most brain dead people ever to exist in modern Russia and it was all by design because they got rid of all the smart leaders who could save their country (the communists).
>>2851877>'one-time uses'>turns out Ukraine weren't Nazi Germany>they were Imperial JapanReal Senrin hours. Who else's lives is worth the same as the price of mailing a conscription notice?
>>2852798I don't understand how communists go along with that bullshit. Communists don't have to pretend that bourgeois geopolitics is valid to oppose imperialist wars on the countries that resist them in the slightest manner.
>>2852798Geopolitics were invented by Marx, actually, he just didn't call it by that label.
Math isn't real guys we just fucking made that shit up idiots
>>2852798Politics & economics always must consider geography so it exists basically since forever, however modern so called geopolitics theory was basically "invented" by David Hume (Of the balance of power, 1752) and Montesquieu and it already contains all the contemporary NATO/Anglo/EUrocrat bullshit of insular, sea faring, oh so enlightened and free Great Britain supposedly defending "freedom" in the world while Russia is supposed to represent "continental despotism". After Hume Mackinder came out of the closet with his "heartland" theory which basically says that Russia must be conquered in order to become world hegemon.
This stupid UA-RU conflict lives in the minds of angloid imperialists literally since centuries. Today noone benefits of it besides the Rothschilds and similar western oligarch pricks, a couple NATO frat boys who think geopolitics is a dickwaving contest they need to win and last but not least eternally butthurt Polish imperialists who dream of Greater Rzezplzspolensdingens.
>>2852863cope. after this russia needs to fire all their e-celeb "influencers" and start from scratch because their horrible war performance has tanked the credibility of all alt-media.
>>2852901>because their horrible war performance has tanked the credibility of all alt-media.You saying this after Ukraine's failed counteroffensyiv?
What's everyone's top 10 most kino moments of the war so far? Here's mine:
- Prigozhin chimping out and launching a 1 hour coup before giving up and chilling out in Africa until Putin shot a missile at his private jet.
- Scott Ritter claiming the Ukrainian military collapsed within the first week of the war
- Douglas McGregor saying the war was going to end soon in a decisive Russian victory, during an interview on CNN 1 month into the war
- Cucktin claiming that he only retreated from Kiev because the French asked him to
- Russians With Attitude getting exposed as a group project split between a Turkish fatass living in Germany and a Russian soyboy nerd who looks like he's never done exercise in his entire life
- "Spirit of Anchorage" and the relentless dicksucking that Cucktin and Kirill did to Trump
- Cucktin randomly banning nationalization of privatized companies, 4 years into the war, for no reason
- Cucktin's completely tone-deaf interview with Tucker, where Tucker was trying to make him sound reasonable and friendly to the West, but Putin self-sabotaged and decided to go completely off the rails and start ranting about ancient Russian/Ukrainian history back in 600AD or some shit
- The Mongolian prime minister shitposting against Cucktin on Twitter by claiming all of Russia as historical Mongol lands
- Ukraine trying to blow up Dugin but failing and killing his daughter instead (the only failed assassination that I ever wished Ukraine succeeded in doing, because Dugin is a mentally retarded fascist and like Cucktin would lead Russia to ruin)
>>2852798Wrong. Geopolitics was invented by Lenon Trotsky in his '67 Work "Towards a New (National) Socialism"
>>2852882How many "2 more weeks" inside that number?
The west cannot help but push people to the exit doors of capitalism, and I find that hilarious.
>>2852908This war in general has exposed a lot of alt-media "journalists" as pundit fluffers.
>>2852925I've rekt at least 10 ppl ITT and it was kino every time
Top real kino moments:
- the ghost of kiev turned out to be a fake news. people like paul massaro still insisting it existed, people replying to him pointing him out and he replies back then with a 'exists in my mind', doubling down.
- the transgender moron called himself woman ashton cirilo was probably at best verbally and psychologically abused, at worst SA, and sodomized by banderites on the front to the point of deciding to return as a cis-gender male, still calls ukraine more progressive. totally not a grifter for grifted and spooked lib public.
- The star wars video showing 'destroyed Russian equipment', and all the photoedited videos, even from 2014 showing 'Russian destroyed equipment' that people fell for it.
- the Crimean summer beach party in 2023 (podolyak), sponsored by nafo. 'mentally in Crimea' (budanov), and all 'Crimea will be ours' nonsense.
- the 'gimme 700 tanks and I'll reach to Moscow the borders of February 23, 2022, I swear bro' nazilushny, zalushny.
- the 'there's no nazis in ukraine' and zelya awards nazis, giving'em medals like candy. people mindbroken ITT retort always to an old photo of some dead guy.
- the 'their kids are going to live under their homes, in the basements' crowd had to live in their basements over and over because patriots intercept 110 missiles out of 100 missiles (arestovych, zelya's presidential advisor)
- the golden toilet and the mindich case: he leaves for and now lives in israel, but somehow Russia-israel relation is more concerning.
- the kursk intrepid offensive that achieved nothing 🤣 (and people insist that Russia is lossing)
- the mind-broken libs that are eternally salty for this thread, continuously come back to get mogged, in a ritual of fetishized humiliation.
>>2853112when is the 2 week special military operation ending btw?
Good news from the front, comrades! Another beautiful day where Russia's world class air defense proved its worth by successfully "intercepting" Ukrainian drones with the side of two major oil refineries, one in Krasnodar and another 700 kilometers deep in Yaroslavl. Zelensky even called them "long range sanctions" geg. The resulting infernos are so majestic that Russian authorities had to temporarily close roads and airports in the region. Truly, nothing says "we're winning" like your strategic fuel processing, nearly 4 million tons a year worth, becoming a YouTube meme and a severe headache for fuel supplies to Crimea. And let's hear it for the latest strategic "victory" Russian forces, after only 1,250 more casualties in a single day (bringing the total to 1.4 million, but who's counting), have successfully secured the "gray zone" around Kostyantynivka, a city so hot that even Ukrainian drone pilots are calling it a "serious crisis". This is definitely worth the 600 square kilometers Ukraine has recaptured this year, including planting a flag on the Kinburn Peninsula after Russian troops withdrew under "intense fire".
Meanwhile, the master plan to exhaust Ukraine is working flawlessly. Russia is simply "donating" equipment so fast that Ukraine's military chief reported destroying over 88,000 Russian targets in May alone, killing 30,000 soldiers and causing over $1 billion in damage. The only "special operation" happening is the one where Russian soldiers try to figure out why Moscow has to redeploy air defenses from the frontlines just to protect the capital and Kerch Bridge from drone swarms. Absolute genius. Let us cope, comrades, the three-day operation is now entering its 1586th day of "going exactly to plan," right as Putin's approval rating faces "growing pressure".
>>2853115show me when one high ranking officials, military, and political, of the Russian government, even serious Russian voenkors like colonelcassad, war gonzo, sasha kots, said that the SMO would last two weeks.
once. go on.
you have to invent fake deadlines to make fake wins, as usual.
obvs, the crowd int the ritual of fetishized humiliation will grab scott ritter, who's not a Russian official or politician as a gotcha, Russia lost. but of course, when top army general zalushny said that they could get back to the borders of Feb 23, 2022, with 700 tanks is ignored in their minds. or when the chief SBU intelligence officer says they are 'mentally in crimea' that means nothing, ukraine won!
NO.REFUNDS.FOR.THE.2023.SUMMER.CRIMEAN.BEACH.PARTY.TICKETS.
>>2853116Did you have as much fun regurgitating that as you did when first consuming it?
The more quotation marks the more fun!
Sumy status? I was informed by multiple learned "Ziggers" here that Russia would capture it in 2025? Surely they didn't lie to me?
>Russia isn't winning fast enough
>>2852863I've never watched any of this guy's videos but the thumbnails are funny. Dude is stressed out. He needs to get grillpilled and not worry about all this war bullshit so much or go full Rambo. At a certain point the only way to survive war is to BECOME war which those soyboy bureaucrats never understood.
>>2852925>Prigozhin chimping out Definitely an all-time anime moment. Reality is though that future historians will describe the Russo-Ukrainian war as the first Weeb War because of the high level of anime consumption by both sides.
>>2852925I would add
The upcoming massive Russian advance the moment roads dried that never was
The Russia China pipeline that was to be build immediately only for China to never actually need it
The "after bakhmut there is nothing till kiev but empty fields" rhetoric
Btw, Was the stalling of ziggermobiles in the first month due to actually not planning for petrol or due to cucktin being once again fooled?
>>2853198>the thumbnails are funny. I’ll never understand why the algorithm has decided that you’ve gotta soyface if you want views, I’m sure grifters don’t give a shit but imagine if you’ve got a real desire to learn and inform about a serious subject and YouTube won’t show it to anyone unless you manage to pull off the obscure shocked facial expression of having your bollocks attached to a car battery but being pleasantly surprised to discover you like it.
Also Girls und Panzer is based, I’ll have to criticism in this thread of muh GUPpies
Do Russians not care about these refineries or something? Like did they calculate that repair costs and lost sales wasn't high enough to justify air defense costs?
>>2853248It's just the nature of radar, you can't make them so sensitive that every flock of birds shows up and thus when we see strikes and it's at most 10 small-ish drones, flying individually, low and slow and therefore avoiding radar cover but obviously at the disadvantage of meaning these strikes have to be somewhat limited in size.
>>2853248Ukrainians blow up at most 3 oil barrels out of 150. Given that refineries weren't using all of barrels simultaneously at all times, it is a matter of rerouting oil through undamaged clusters and repairing destroyed barrels in the meantime. It really isn't as big a deal as Ukrainians want to make it to be
>>2850884I am convinced larouche is a chud zoomer who traveled back in time to larp as silent gen
>>2851923"did I stutter when we said we would fight Russia to the last Ukrainian"
>>2853236>Also Girls und Panzer is based, I’ll have to criticism in this thread of muh GUPpiesThe Kerch anime squad guy was awarded two orders of courage! He probably charged a machine gun nest. Really it's the weebs who are suited to go Rambo and everyone else is just cosplaying.
UKRAINE AND RUSSIA JUST SIGNED A CEASEFIRE ON THE WHOLE FRONT
>>2853390gentlemen please, this war is never ending, ukraine is just replacing their entire army with foreign combatants, russia will probably end up doing the same, the prole blood must flow
>>2850547sakai won
gunther won
siberia is next. all muskkkovite settleroids will retvrn to moscow with empty pockets, a bindle over their shoulder, and their furfag tails between their legs
>>2853174Masno who lives in Summy says that Russians soldiers are pushing Summy.
he's a scummy ukranianian who plays in a duplicity role, hates Russians, hates zelya…
>>2853229>Was the stalling of ziggermobiles in the first month due to actually not planning for petrolIt was because the soldiers were corrupt and re-selling fuel to Belarusians, although in their defense they were only doing that since they weren't expecting to go to war (Putin didn't tell his soldiers until like 5 minutes before being sent into Ukraine).
Rumours are on Xitter that Zelensky has requested a truce on long range drone strikes, which if true is likely just testing the waters on whether these drone strikes are in fact having any effect on Russia’s commitment to the conflict.
I’d guess that’s of more interest to NATO who tend to escalate support (currently drone supplies) in the face of a significant defeat for Ukraine (in this case Kramatorsk conglomerate, Sumy, Kupyansk) but are understandably reluctant about keeping that pressure on long term in the admittedly somewhat unlikely scenario Russia does retaliate against NATO for said escalation.
Of course it’s unlikely Zelensky feels any particular need to avoid givas and a direct confrontation between NATO and Russia.
>>2852798"Geopolitics are bourgeois politics" - Great Soviet Encyclopedia
Geopolitic was invented by jewish rapper Stepan Bandolero to render Mariupol unattainable.
Do you “invent” a subject like Geopolitcs or do you discover them? Because if you discover “Geopolitics” like you discover “Imperialism” then the terms are open to interpretation, it’s not like Mr X “invented” Geopolitics and therefore has exclusive license to define what that is.
>Main commander of Kursk offensyiv assassinated
Beach party in Kursk NPP status?
>>2853630The problem with assassinating Ukrainian leaders is that absolutely no one in Russia knows who they are and so no one cares. Peremoga
>>2853627Again depends on your interpretation, Russia has a seat at the UN but Garden States leave the room (either metaphorically or literally) in protest which is bizarre for an organisation intended to facilitate diplomacy. Maybe the UN can be equated to the League of Nations but it seems that rather than it being a temporary mob war between factions, the intent appears to be the near-entire combined West trying to exclude Russia from organisations that they have all rights to participate in.
It’s not a failure of diplomacy between expanding colonial powers, it’s the abolition of diplomacy because one country is getting in the way of one expanding empire.
That is to say, Geopolitics is likely more broad of a subject than just how colonial powers negotiate caving up the world between themselves
>>2853639Ukraine’s biggest secret weapon: disinformitsiyia
Banning goreposting is such a bitch move. So called "communist" board hiding the brutality of a pointless war so that the nationalists here can find it easier to cope.
>>2853656You’re a retard if you think
>But people die in warsIs a compelling point that people wouldn’t already understand without one of Ukraine’s latest snuff films
Cucktin and Lavrov play the "we got fooled" card again
lol 😆
>>2853624this
>>2853112почему не на фронте, патриот?
>>2853656>thinks nationalists don't jack off to the photos of dead prolesThey already haven their gore telegram subs. Let them there.
>>2854011Tit for tat; FPV drone footage of individual soldiers as entertainment was undeniably popularised by NAFO Xitter and Azov Telegram, while the Russian military was largely targeting logistics, tanks and barracks and therefore mostly what was seen in pro-Russian telegram and xitter.
The fact NAFOids believe Ukraine must be ratio’ing the Russian military to an extreme degree, is because they surround themselves with gore videos and celebrating every surprised and terrified expression they saw, while dismissing footage of entire buildings getting levelled with FAB-1000s because you don’t get to see the momentary terrified expression of everyone inside and therefore suggest to themselves the building was probably empty.
>>2853892according to where ?
https://karlof1.substack.com/p/putin-addresses-united-russias-23rd
>Coverage of President Putin here at the Gym took leave to deal with other events, but with what’s occurred during the course of June thanks to NATO’s escalation in Ukraine, against Russia and against Iran, Putin’s address to the 23rd Congress of the United Russia Party needs to be covered. Dmitry Medvedev remains United Russia Chairman, and as the image above shows, the event was sold-out. Putin’s address wasn’t all too long at 17-minutes, and the video is available at the above link. After this event, Putin held a rare Sunday meeting at the Kremlin to discuss the domestic fuel situation: “According to the certificate provided by the Ministry of Energy, gasoline reserves are currently 1.7 million tons, which is almost the same as in the same period last year. There is a slight decrease, only 4 percent.” Russia’s situation is essentially normal whereas the Outlaw US Empire faces a massive crisis as this excellent report by Larry Johnson announces. But enough preliminaries. Here’s Putin: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/bloomberg-tries-its-best-to-spinBloomberg:
>Russia is shipping more oil than at any time so far this year, even as it faces stiffer competition selling barrels to key customer India after a US sanctions waiver that freed up cargoes from rival supplier Iran.
>Four-week average crude shipments were 3.89 million barrels a day in the period to June 21, up a little from the previous week, according to tanker-movements data compiled by Bloomberg. The uptick in crude flows comes as Ukraine continues its strikes on Russia’s oil refineries, potentially diverting into exports crude that can’t be processed.
>On a four-week average basis, the gross value of Moscow’s exports slipped to $1.72 billion a week in the 28 days to June 21 from $2.02 billion in the period to June 14, driven by lower Urals prices that followed global benchmarks lower amid progress on a peace deal between the US and Iran.
>On a four-week-average basis, the export prices of Russia’s Urals loaded in the Baltic were down by about $8.10 to $69.98 a barrel, while a $7.90 drop took Black Sea prices to $69.37 a barrel. The price of Pacific ESPO crude fell by $7.40 to average $79.87 a barrel. Delivered prices in India fell for an ninth week, down by $8.80 to $90.36 a barrel. All prices are according to numbers from Argus Media.
>On a weekly basis, the value of exports averaged about $1.98 billion in the 7 days to June 21, down by $70 million from the previous week’s figure.
<From the data it can be seen that Russian oil export revenue is near the peak of the past 4 years, and the West has been unable to stop the transit of Russian oil to its trading partners, try as it might. As Trump struggles to pull himself out of the mess he made with “Operation Epic Fury,” the price of oil is declining, but it remains to be seen if it will return to pre “Epic Fury” levels. With the midterm elections approaching in the USA, he will need to do something to prevent a bloodbath at the polls, but it is probably too late. A Senior Ukrainian Sergeant Threatened Poland With Drone Strikes Against Its Citieshttps://korybko.substack.com/p/a-senior-ukrainian-sergeant-threatened
<It’s crucial to note that he wasn’t reprimanded by the armed forces or the government for this either.
>Chief Sergeant of the Unmanned Systems Battalion of the 5th Separate Assault Kiev Brigade Yury Syrotyuk unprecedentedly threatened Poland during an extended interview “On Poland and Ukraine, explosions in Moscow, and the enemy’s flight from Crimea” in late June. The relevant part is from 36:00-36:50, where he accused Poland of waging an historical war that risks becoming a physical one, in which case Ukraine will fly drones into its cities and kill its people. He thus advised Poland not to cross that line.
>Syrotyuk’s scandalous interview came several days after he shared a clip of himself on Facebook from another program where he described himself as the grandson and nephew of UPA veterans “who defended their homes from all the occupiers in Volhynia” in a reference to genociding local Poles there. He accused Poland in his video of seeking regional hegemony and plotting to partner with Russia to partition Ukraine. The sentiment shared in his two videos isn’t uncommon nowadays among Ukrainians.
>President of the Roman Dmowski National Foundation Przemysław Piasta coincidentally warned on the same day as Syrotyuk’s Facebook clip that “Post-Conflict Ukraine Will Pose A Serious Threat To Poland” as was concluded from his article about why “Ukraine brings us closer to Russia” amidst the UPA dispute. For background, Zelensky’s state glorification of the Volhynia Genocide’s OUN-UPA culprits led to Polish President Karol Nawrocki revoking the Order of the White Eagle from him, Poland’s highest honor.
>Ukrainian officials from Zelensky on down then coordinated a toxic information warfare campaign against Poland and Poles on social media with their country’s infamous troll farms, which destroyed people-to-people ties, one effect being that Ukrainians are now more radicalized against Poles than ever. An MP from the hardcore anti-Russian “Law & Justice” (PiS) conservative opposition party accordingly concluded that Ukrainians hate Poles more than they hate Russians.
>In the words of Kazimierz Smoliński, “The comments about Poland under Zelensky’s post are terrifying. The hatred of some Ukrainians toward Poland is staggering. It looks as though they hate us more than the Russians. How quickly they’ve forgotten that they exist, among other reasons, because we helped them and continue to help.” The artificially engineered threat perception that Ukrainian nationalists have of Poland could manifest as a post-conflict terrorist-separatist insurgency in southeastern Poland.
>After all, they believe that “Zakerzonia” is occupied Ukrainian land, and it might be with the goal of preemptively averting this scenario that Poland recently launched “Project Trident” on the basis of thwarting a post-conflict Ukrainian crime wave but which could advance this dual purpose too. Even so, Ukraine’s spree of strikes against Russia shows that conventional border defenses and police operations are ill-suited for defending against drones, which Syrotyuk envisages launching en masse against Poland.
>The forested and mountainous geography of southeastern Poland means that a relatively small number of drone-experienced terrorists-separatists could inflict disproportionate damage on the state. If they quickly cripple its writ over this region through Syrotyuk’s threatened means then declare “reunification” with Ukraine, then that could serve as the pretext for conventional Ukrainian involvement in the conflict. Poland must therefore take his threat seriously and immediately begin ramping up its drone defenses. Exposing The Keir Starmer Arson Mystery
https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/exposing-the-keir-starmer-arson-mystery
>On June 15th, two young Ukrainians were found guilty of conspiring to carry out arson attacks on two homes and a vehicle intimately connected to former British Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Curious details of the trial unreported in the mainstream, and a post-conviction propaganda blitz led by the BBC blaming Russian intelligence actors for directing the pair’s incendiary crimes, raise a number of ominous questions about precisely what happened, and why. The scandal is rendered all the more bewildering by Starmer’s June 22nd resignation.
>On May 8th 2025, a Toyota car previously owned by the Prime Minister was set ablaze in north London, not far from where he’d previously resided. Three days later, flats in Islington Starmer managed years previously were similarly put to the torch, then on May 12th a home where he once resided now leased to his sister-in-law was also set ablaze. That same day, 22-year-old Ukrainian national Roman Lavrynovych was arrested by British police over the arson.
>Despite the Prime Minister being personally targeted in a highly organised, repeated and potentially lethal manner, major news outlets within and without Britain exhibited bizarrely muted interest. Starmer describing the incidents in parliament on May 14th that year as “an attack on all of us, on democracy and the values that we stand for” - condemnation Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians echoed - elicited some headlines. However, basic facts about the case, and discussion of its obvious potential national security implications, remained stubbornly unforthcoming.
>This seeming omerta endured when on May 17th, 26-year-old Ukrainian-born Romanian national Stanislav Carpiuc was arrested at Luton airport for his role in the attacks, attempting to flee. Four days later, 34-year-old Ukrainian national Petro Pochynok was arrested, accused of conspiring with Carpiuc, Lavrynovych, “and others unknown to damage by fire property belonging to another.” The names and nationalities of two further individuals arrested in the case - a 48-year-old on June 2nd that year, and a 19-year-old in January 2026 - were never released.
>Police investigations into these anonymous suspects were eventually dropped, without fanfare. Who they were, why they became subjects of interest, and the grounds for their elimination from enquiries, hasn’t been revealed and wasn’t discussed at trial. There were apparently no “others unknown” with whom Carpiuc and Lavrynovych colluded after all. Pochynok was acquitted, successfully arguing he was “deceived” by the pair and had no idea they intended to start fires with his help. Notably, all three were charged with mere arson, not national security offences.
>This is striking, given when the trial commenced on April 28th, prosecution lawyers immediately declared the trio’s arson assault was directed by a Russian-speaking Telegram user, for cash. The December 2023 National Security Act grants British authorities sweeping powers to severely punish people who break the law at the behest of “hostile states”. Repeatedly since the Starmer-linked attacks, British citizens have been jailed under the legislation after being recruited to commit crimes, including arson, via Telegram by supposed Russian actors.
>All along, alarm has been sounded about Iranian intelligence using Telegram for similar purposes, in particular “[hiring] anyone who can harm Israeli interests or individuals” in Britain. Yet, a coordinated criminal conspiracy targeting the Prime Minister, which required access to sensitive private information on Starmer not readily available to average citizens, allegedly orchestrated by a malign foreign actor, mysteriously didn’t qualify as national security-related. Moreover, jurors and the public alike were strictly prohibited from learning anything about the group’s alleged recruiter.
<‘Wholly Irrelevant’
>On the trial’s first day, after dropping the bombshell that Lavrynovych was “recruited, instructed and promised with payment for the fires that he was told to start” by a Russian-speaking source known as “EL Money”, the lead prosecutor promptly ordered jurors to leave the entire issue alone. It was “no part of your considerations to decide who ‘EL Money’ is and what reason he might have had to coordinate the actions of these defendants,” they forcefully asserted, before adding:
<“It does not matter whether [the defendants] knew the property they were targeting was connected to the Prime Minister or whether that formed part of their motivation.”
>As such, the trial centred solely around the extremely limited question of whether the three accused committed arson. All other avenues of inquiry weren’t up for discussion or investigation in open court. While the financial motivation of the defendants was explored, the identity, connections and motives of the individual - or individuals - who commissioned and directed the attacks on Starmer was effectively inadmissible. This was despite Lavrynovych’s defence hinging on claiming to have felt intimidated by EL Money, and therefore acting under duress.
>The BBC reports how in the jury’s absence during the trial, Lavrynovych’s lawyers applied for prosecutors to hand over wider information held by authorities on EL Money. This included whether the user was associated with intelligence services or a state informant, and where it was based. They argued the actions of EL Money were “redolent of tradecraft” - in other words, cloak-and-dagger techniques employed by spies. But the judge flatly rejected the application, inexplicably ruling these burning queries to be “wholly irrelevant” to issues before the jury.
>Nonetheless, it did emerge at the trial that EL Money sent messages to Lavrynovych on May 12th, following the final arson, notifying him “there is news, you’ll get crypto” and “you need to throw away the clothes.” Subsequently, EL Money warned him “you attacked the home of a very high-ranking person in Britain,” and “you need to leave the city.” Lavrynovych was arrested hours later, implying he was already in law enforcement’s crosshairs by this time. How he came to police attention isn’t clear.
>Apparently, EL Money’s central role in the attacks on Starmer wasn’t ascertained until long after Carpiuc and Lavrynovych were in custody, with legal proceedings well-underway. At a pretrial hearing in late May 2025, prosecution lawyers said the arrested Ukrainian pair’s conspiracy was “unexplained”. A contemporary Financial Times report noted counter-terror cops leading the probe were “keeping an open mind about motive.” Nameless government officials stressed “many different versions of the events” remained under investigation, “and nothing had been ruled out at this stage.”
<‘No Evidence’
>How prosecutors settled on the “version of events” they dramatically presented in court, before directing jurors to disregard considerations of EL Money entirely, is likewise unknown. Only a small number of messages the user exchanged with Lavrynovych - in which EL Money notably communicated in “perfect” Russian and Ukrainian - were presented in court. However, within just hours of the pair’s conviction, the BBC released a dedicated Panorama documentary, and accompanying 3,500-word long-read, on the Starmer-linked arson’s “Russian connection”.
>Miraculously, “using open-source tools,” Britain’s state broadcaster was able to crack the case to an extent police purportedly couldn’t. The BBC named EL Money as a young “Russian diplomat, schooled in information warfare by spies and propagandists, who is close to the highest levels of power in Moscow.” Posing as EL Money, the 23-year-old supposedly sought to bribe many Ukrainians in Britain into perpetrating a variety of criminal acts, via dedicated local jobs groups, while also oddly deploying “deeply offensive Russian terms for Ukrainian people.”
>“Messages from the [EL Money] account in various Telegram channels show him glorifying [Vladimir] Putin and Russia, attacking the Ukrainian people and promoting Russian narratives,” the BBC claimed. Its investigation acknowledged the trial of Carpiuc, Lavrynovych and Pochynok “was strange, mainly because the true author of the drama was never revealed,” with the conundrum of EL Money’s identity “deliberately avoided.” Speculation can only abound as to why the British state broadcaster unravelled this crucial riddle, rather than courts and/or law enforcement.
>Even more suspiciously, the BBC quoted a senior British counter-terror police chief as saying while the aim of the attacks on Starmer’s properties was “to intimidate and create fear for the Prime Minister and to attack the UK,” law enforcement had “not been able to prove the identity of [EL Money] or who he was working for.” They categorically declared: “we’ve got no evidence to suggest this was a state-backed threat.” But the BBC is somehow better informed than the police.
>“Sources have told us that authorities in the UK and in Ukraine have privately concluded Russia was behind the arson attacks,” the British state broadcaster boasted. One might reasonably enquire why Kiev has apparently taken it upon herself to solve a British criminal case, although Ukraine’s SBU is certainly an authority on recruiting chaos agents via Telegram, and other messaging apps. The heavily CIA and MI6-infiltrated agency has over many years exploited this technique to blackmail and bribe Russians into perpetrating serious crimes at home.
>These scandalous activities have been universally ignored by the Western media. By contrast, numerous major news outlets instantly seized on the BBC blaming Russia for the arson attacks. The Financial Times published a slick investigation the same day, replete with photos, videos, and graphics, documenting EL Money’s contacts with and payments to Lavrynovych. Shady Bellingcat-linked investigative website The Insider went so far as to release extensive biographical information and photos of the 23-year-old Russian named by the BBC as EL Money.
>Other outlets have produced quotes from Lavrynovych’s trial testimony, in which he states EL Money “wanted to see [the arson] on the news.” Of course, the attacks barely registered in the media contemporaneously, while the overwhelmingly majority of what was said at the trial by all parties went unreported, with only select excerpts emerging immediately afterwards. In all the post-trial political and media rush to convict Russia too, not a single source mentioned British police avowedly possess “no evidence” indicating the arson attacks were sponsored by any state.
<‘Useful Idiot’
>Having diligently attempted to follow “every piece of evidence” in court throughout the 21-day-long trial, independent journalist Crispin Flintoff was “furious” when the duplicitous BBC-led blame Russia game erupted. A fascinating personal account of his first-hand experiences spectating the trial reveals much about what was said by defendants, prosecutors, and defence lawyers no major outlet has reported. His insider observations only intensify suspicions about a concerted state coverup to conceal inconvenient truths, and misdirect the public as to what was established in court:
<“There were obvious questions from the start. How did these men know details about Starmer’s former car and two addresses connected to him? Why had they been held in Britain’s highest-security prison [Belmarsh]? Who exactly was ‘EL Money’? And why, if this was such a serious case involving the Prime Minister, were so few people there to watch it?”
>By the time the trial was over, none of these queries had been satisfactorily addressed, let alone answered. The court’s almost empty public gallery, virtually total lack of ‘journalists’ in attendance, and pronounced lack of wider media interest in the trial - particularly “if this really was a Russian operation directed at the Prime Minister” - was palpable to Flintoff at every step of proceedings. The lead prosecution lawyer also “seemed keen to tell the judge what those of us in the public gallery could or could not report.”
>Meanwhile, “the judge repeatedly warned the public gallery that anything said in court while the jury were not present could not be reported and that doing so could amount to contempt of court and even lead to imprisonment.” Intriguingly, this included any and all mention of EL Money, beyond the prosecution’s initial announcement “he” spoke Russian. That EL Money was also versed in Ukrainian - a language barely spoken in Russia - appears to have first emerged accidentally.
>Flintoff reports how an interpreter revealed “some of the Telegram messages” sent by EL Money were in Ukrainian. The media-unfriendly judge “rebuked her, saying it was ‘not for the translator to give evidence.’” Strikingly too, later in the trial Lavrynovych claimed he “could not tell where EL Money was from because messages were in both languages.” Subsequently, he referred to El Money as “they”, while under cross-examination expressing his belief at least one woman was involved in his recruitment and handling.
>Lavrynovych referred to EL Money stating, “my husband” was checking up on the Toyota car owned by Starmer. He speculated “possibly more” women, “as well as two or three men” could’ve also been involved. This explosive point wasn’t explored further, save for when a defence lawyer in summing up described EL Money as “this person, or people.” However, EL Money - whoever they might be - ultimately wasn’t in the dock, despite the judge describing Lavrynovych as their “pawn”, and “useful idiot”.
<‘Proxy Attacks’
>Flintoff doesn’t “claim to know the truth of what happened,” but is certain “the BBC’s story is a fictional conspiracy theory that doesn’t tally with the evidence heard in court.” In a bitter irony, mainstream publication of the names, ages, and photos of Carpiuc, Lavrynovych and Pochynok created a fecund environment for ‘conspiracy theorising’. Social media users large and small easily identified profiles of Carpiuc and Lavrynovych on modelling websites. Fleetingly, they were even referred to as “models” by certain outlets.
>Several sources - including prominent figures ranging from independent broadcaster George Galloway to Zionist agitator Tommy Robinson - speculated, partially tongue-in-cheek in many cases, the Ukrainians might be sex workers with whom Starmer incurred unpaid debts. The BBC long-read repeatedly took aim at “far-right anti-Islam activist” Robinson and “accounts based in Russia” for posting “lies about the motive for the arson attacks.” The British state broadcaster firmly asserted: “they were not sex workers.”
>Meanwhile, on June 15th - not long after the trial’s verdict landed - The i Paper declared, “Starmer was targeted by sex worker conspiracy straight from Putin’s playbook.” The outlet convicted the Kremlin not only of the arson attacks, but the proliferation of “a conspiracy theory falsely claiming that the arsonists were male prostitutes seeking revenge on the Prime Minister.” Markedly, The i Paper teamed up with the highly controversial Center for Countering Digital Hate to reach its findings.
>CCDH was created by Labour Together, a shadowy ‘think tank’ tied to right-wing Labour figures and Zionist tycoons, which played a central role in Starmer’s deeply corrupt - if not outright criminal - rise to power. Throughout its existence, the Center has carried out brazenly politicised, reputationally devastating attacks on individuals and organisations purportedly disseminating “disinformation”. For example, one of CCDH’s first responsibilities post-launch was to “destroy” popular, independent pro-Jeremy Corbyn news site The Canary, in order to neutralise the then-Labour leader’s support base.
>CCDH recently claimed trillionaire Elon Musk was “instrumental” in stoking violent, racist rioting in Occupied Ireland. Local monitoring groups beg to differ, branding the charge a “fallacy” intended to distract from the unrest being orchestrated by Loyalist paramilitary groups, which maintain clandestine relations with the British state today. This begs the obvious question of who or what might have tasked CCDH with investigating alleged “disinformation” relating to the ever-mysterious arson attacks targeting Keir Starmer.
>An answer might be provided by a June 17th press conference on the G7’s sidelines. Starmer refused to comment on BBC and other mainstream reports linking the arson to Russia, while conversely claiming an “aggressive” Moscow was responsible for “proxy attacks” on Britain and “across Europe”. He added, “some of the evidence that came out of trial speaks for itself.” But of course, this is a lie. By design, no such evidence emerged, while many leads pointing away from Russia were shut down, and unmentioned by the media. Ask yourself why.>>2853656Is it even banned? Also does goreposting add anything into the discussion? It's almost all Ukrainian propaganda anyway.
>>2854129>The court’s almost empty public gallery, virtually total lack of ‘journalists’ in attendance, and pronounced lack of wider media interest in the trial - particularly “if this really was a Russian operation directed at the Prime Minister” - was palpable to Flintoff at every step of proceedings. The lead prosecution lawyer also “seemed keen to tell the judge what those of us in the public gallery could or could not report.”I can answer that one for you. He really is that much of a non-entity. People don't like him. They don't hate him either. He's just boring and irritating. You'd rather not spend any time thinking about him. The man is anti-charisma. To survive in politics there must be at least one politically relevant demographic to hitch oneself to, but not this one.
>>2854142Anon, media disinterest over an alleged terror campaign targeting a head of government by a hostile foreign power isn't explained by the relative public popularity of the figure in question.
>>2854005>почему не на фронте, патриот?who says I never offered to go the front, you immense retard?
Unlike ukraine, who doesn't care if you speak ukrainian, Russian, or not and accept whoever, because they are desperate, the reason I never got a reply back from the Military Attaché's Office in my country, dependant from the Russian embassy, it's because they only accept people that speak Russian.
what are you going to say now, reatard?
NO.REFUNDS.FOR.THE.2023.SUMMER.CRIMEAN.BEACH.PARTY.TICKETS. >>2853390funni facto:
when ukraine sat for the Minsk agreements I and II, was because they failed miserably their military operations to invade Donbas. even cutting off water and electricity utilities, leaving people without services for months, years even.
>>2854137I don't think it adds anything. More than anything it's in the same category as slop and I think moderators should try to cut down on that as a general rule.
are we thinking putin will sue for peace soon?
>>2854040>Tit for tat; FPV drone footage of individual soldiers as entertainment was undeniably popularised by NAFO Xitter and Azov Telegram, while the Russian military was largely targeting logistics, tanks and barracks and therefore mostly what was seen in pro-Russian telegram and xitter.Now that I think about it, and there are others here who will agree with me (the people who want Putin to nuke Kiev) is that Ukrainian propaganda is much more war-like, maybe? They're in a really serious situation. The Russian government doesn't emphasize that its in a war as much. It doesn't get into the details. This is something Z-bloggers complain about. This is Rybar:
<When does morale plummet? It often occurs against a backdrop of cognitive dissonance when reality collides with a poorly correlated media image. This applies to major Russian media outlets as well—take the news on federal television channels, for example.
<No, they don't formally try to hide anything: reports talk about high-profile air strikes on cities, fatalities, and fuel shortages. But more often, they're treated as if in passing, not making them the center of the story or the agenda at all.
>Broadcasts about the SVO zone feature a lot of footage of gunfire, but they're shy about including juicy footage of combat operations against personnel. The overall message is that the Russian Armed Forces are successfully engaging some anonymous enemy, and the lack of significant progress, problems with air defenses, or UAVs are just unimportant details.
<As a result, an outside observer watching federal channels gets the impression that the state isn't even experiencing any war, even though they're personally experiencing it. And people get the feeling that the difficulties are being hushed up, and that they are being lied to.https://t.me/rybar/81372
<Inaccurate coverage of pressing issues on federal TV and other media, where difficulties are mentioned casually in comparison to far less significant matters, leads to other negative consequences.
<For example, some of the population still lives as if the war doesn't exist, happily filming air strikes with the thought, "So what?" Yes, such lack of awareness is a carefully considered personal position, but isn't there something that has contributed to its entrenchment?
<Again, let's look at the federal media coverage: there's no war there, oil refineries are still being hit by drone debris, and the enemy, instead of Ukrainians, is at best ephemeral nationalists. And for some reason, shelling and air strikes are called terrorist attacks, substituting and blurring their meaning.
<It's ironic, but at the same time, general-level deputies can even be heard demanding " a real war." Tell me, have you seen many “real wars” where the official agenda and the media are embarrassed to call the enemy (or even acknowledge him) an enemy?
<Calling a spade a spade is necessary to trigger certain triggers that help us perceive reality more accurately. This doesn't mean people will flock to the front, but the level of civic awareness may rise, and other government measures will appear more logical.
<Incidentally, official narratives like to draw parallels between the Soviet Military District and the Great Patriotic War. Question for you: how quickly did the USSR abandon portraying Wehrmacht soldiers as deceived capitalists and fraternal workers unwilling to fight, switching to leaflets in the style of "Kill a German"?https://t.me/rybar/81375 >>2854389Personally I kinda doubt they'll let Kiev keep anything east of the dnieper.
Yuh know? It isn't that important when Slavs kill Slavs, nobody cares. Keep on keepin on.
>>2854441I think there is something to be said about not depicting the conflict as a rather mundane political situation, like election coverage or describing the clean up of a natural disaster or industrial accident, but the reason why Ukrainians have a penchant for goreposting IMO simply comes down to the fact that they’ve got general mobilisation and one that people don’t generally return from (not necessarily because they died but because there’s little in the way of rotations).
There’s a cost associated with general mobilisation in terms of people’s willingness to tolerate a conflict. If you’ve got frankly non-fighting types being sent off to war against their will, then Kiev needs to pull out all the stops to suggest that’s not in vain. But the unspoken reason for goreposting by pro-Ukrainians is that ultimately the conflict is under Russia’s control and its military is mostly people who chose to fight, it’s therefore “ironic” when Russian soldiers die because they could have chosen to stay home, which is a choice Ukrainians don’t have the luxury of and thus little irony to enjoy in their deaths. Nevertheless, I doubt Russians weep for Ukrainian soldiers and that’s as much as you can hope for when you’re winning, perhaps an infosphere that revolves around seeking pleasure at seeing people’s final moments could change that.
This is an interimperialist conflict
>>2854453Gigatruthnovanuke
>>2854283>it's because they only accept people that speak Russian.Следовательно, почему не выучил русский?
>>2854465who says I don't study Russian, I haven't studied Russian, I didn't study Russian you stupid moving goal post libtard, huh?
I need to be certified and the certification is costly.
cope, you seething moron.
>>2854472Если я тебе оплачу эту сертификацию, ты поедешь на фронт?
>>2854473>Экзамены для получения патента на работу обойдутся в 3800 руб., а на получение ВНЖ — в 5900 руб.Пиздец, в Аргентине всё так плохо с деньгами?
>>2854471embarrassing is coming to this thread and be part of the ritual of fetishized humiliation, banderites and libs get recurrently.
>>2854473sure you will, motherfucker, pay for my certification. lmao.
the ТРКИ is around 150 bucks. yeah sure you will hand 150 to a stranger in a website. even if I post a bitcoin wallet, sure you will. uh huh.
>>2854476 (me)
also, I don't doxx myself.
>>2854476Для меня это не деньги, я москвичка. Можем договориться о том, что ты мне часть гробовых отдашь, вообще замечательно будет. И мне хорошо, и тебе.
>>2854477Увиливаешь?
>>2854480you moved the goalpost from 'why don't you go to the front' to 'why don't I pay for a certification'. you pay me 150USD, not rubbles, the first thing I'll do is not going to take the test to piss on you, you seething retard. buy a borsh soup and middle finger you in a picture.
because that's what you deserve: to be scammed for being a ridiculous troll.
>>2854482Нет, я тебя спросила, почему ты не на фронте. Ты мне сказал, что ты бы хотел туда, но не получилось. Прямо сейчас я помогаю тебе на нём оказаться. Ты
не хочешь. Почему?
>>2854482Btw, this is the actual goalpost moving that you're projecting so much about: I've asked you, "why are you not at the frontlines", and what you've responded with, as if it's some kind of an own, despite you eluding my actual question, is "well, who says I've never
offered to go to the frontlines?". Well, I don't care that you've offered to go to the frontlines, I'm asking you, right now,
why are you not there? >>2854483And I already answered you moving goal post troll. you want to have a
aha gotcha moment, 'pay for my funeral', not help. I already enlisted myself to any further enrollment plans if they were to be needed. I don't need your trolling 'help'. you can roll your 'help' and stick it up your ass.
>>2854485>Why are you not at the front?<I tried>Erm moving the goalposts much? I didn’t ask if you tried I asked why you’re not at the frontThat’s already weak as fuck, but FARC did in fact answer you, the Russian military needs soldiers rather than just cannon fodder and thus you must be able to speak Russian more or less fluently.
>>2854487>'pay for my funeral'Touché.
>I already enlisted myself to any further enrollment plans if they were to be needed.So, basically, you're just too bitchmade to actually go to the frontlines, am I getting this right?
>>2854490See, the thing is, I know this to be patently untrue, because I actually know people on the frontlines. Personally. 'sides, he's already told us that he's in the process of learning Russian and the issue is getting a certification, no?
>>2854492FARC posted the rejection email
>>2854493You must've missed the rest of the conversation where I've asked him why is he not learning Russian to get to the frontlines, etc.
>>2854492>issue is getting a certification, no?and I already answered that I have enrolled in any other program that accepts foreign people without Russian knowledge. Like Spanish or English speakers.
I don't need you condescending ass ass-trolling ass what to do, because you felt butthurt over a post with 10 points that are, in fact, kino.
>>2854495кубик мобика это настоящий эпик
>and I already answered that I have enrolled in any other program that accepts foreign people without Russian knowledge. Like Spanish or English speakers.Bitchmade & doesn't want to go to the frontlines. Got it.
>Spryosila, moscwishka, dlja menya ieto nye diengy
A rich transwahman living in moscaw? I dont believe it
>>2854494>Why aren’t you at the front?and
>Why aren’t you learning Russian so you can join the Russian foreign legionAre two different questions, you got an answer for the first one and not the answer you expected, the second question is cope for the first one not giving you the answer you wanted.
Like let’s be clear, you wanted to make a point about cowardice but you’re trying to settle for a point about needing to spend hundreds of hours studying Russian to a fluent level before the conflict’s conclusion to disprove the cowardice charge?
>>2854493he's just coping at this point. he probably believed he found a smart way to snub people from having a serious attack to the ukrainain nazi regime online 'why aren't you in the front'
HUH?
once I got him with the series of posts and exchanges I had the military attache, he switched to every new question to the point that, unless I doxx myself (even bitcoins wallets/transactions are traceable, too), I'm 'bitchmade'.
lmao.
this is the ultimate banderite troll. he thinks he smarts, he will get banned for badfaith arguing, and come back later when the ban ends for more ritual of fetishized humiliation.
U menya yest vopros k zdeshnyim ryuskymm, schetaete ly viy eto voinu mezhimperialishtycheskaya? Vashe mnyenye kasatyelno etoya voyna?
>>2854503>he Mooooooooooods permaban this one for misgendering right the fuck NOW!
Imagine pretending to be russian. Tvoye vladenye russkim yazykom prosto huynyia.
>>2854502>Russian foreign legionNo such thing, lmao.
>Like let’s be clear, you wanted to make a point about cowardice but you’re trying to settle for a point about needing to spend hundreds of hours studying Russian to a fluent level before the conflict’s conclusion to disprove the cowardice charge?Correct. Look at this fucking guy:
>>2854504He doesn't even want to go to the frontlines, and yet!
Я абсолютно честно верю в то, что ты это сам написал, няш, из-за смешной ошибки в падежах в конце, поэтому отвечу честно: да, межимпериалистическая война, абсолютно. На этой войне делаются большие деньги с обеих сторон.>>2854503XMR.
>>2854503Tbh it’s also incredibly ironic that, err, “they” are doing the whole gimmick of posting in Russian while making a point of you being a coward because fighting in this conflict requires Russian fluency?
>>2854509Horosho ty yest based communist kotoryi znayut chto k chemu.
>>2854509as I said, enjoy your ban, come back again when it ends, enjoy more of the ritual of fetishized humiliation, and keep sucking to bandera's dick.
>>2854509https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/331042-how-to-join-russian-armyQuite likely it’s not a separate legion per se, but foreign soldiers can’t be Border Guards nor presumably Internal Troops, therefore military service for foreigners will be expeditionary in nature and according to the article limited to being NCOs at best and (aside from fighting Ukrainians or previously ISIS) the primary motivation for serving is gaining a Russian passport.
It’s a foreign legion for all intents and purposes.
>>2854515я стараюсь, честно стараюсь учиться, но до моего уровня английского мне ещё как минимум лет десять.
могу без остановки смотреть английские документалки часами всё понимаю. но стоит посмотреть пятнадцать минут 'Маши и Медведь' и я сразу начинаю тупить.
>>2854517Троллишь? У тебя неплохо выходит, ни одной ошибки в посте, если пунктуацию игнорировать. Сдавай ТРКИ давай, Б-же, это буквально 6к. Не деньги же.
>>2854516It's not a "legion" as foreign troops are all assigned to and integrated with existing regiments ["integrated" might be too big of a word, depending]. It may be one in a metaphorical sense, perhaps.
>nor presumably Internal TroopsLegally they're allowed to enlist, but not de-facto. This has more to do with corruption, and the fact that foreign lives are worth less, so it's easier to throw them to the zero line.
And before anyone asks, I’m ackshually a Starshy-Serzhant in the Defending-Putin-At-All-Costs Brigade. Albeit I was promoted to that rank by NAFOids ITT, I’d never heard of that branch of the Russian military before, but shit who doesn’t like medals and ranks right? Just waiting for my invitation to my promotion ceremony.
>>2854517Masha i medved prosto huynia. Smotry mge strashyilky
>>2854518Well I assume if foreigners can’t be attached to the FSB they can’t be attached to Rosguardiya for the same reason of those being sensitive to internal security.
>that foreign lives are worth less, so it's easier to throw them to the zero line.Again, that’s the deal for a foreign legion, you risk life and limb for a passport.
I think we can all agree though that it’s pretty cringe when foreigners rock up to both the Ukrainian and Russian militaries and expect that because they’re charitably volunteering the conflict for them ought to be a like a choose your own adventure game (usually wanting to be a drone operator) and are shocked and offended when, no, it’s in the trenches with everyone else.
>>2854518Ладно, вру про то, что ни одной ошибки. Технически, он "Маша и Медведь" неправильно склонил, но я тут даже и не заметила. Правильнее читалось бы "Маши и Медведя".
Это такая гадость каверзная, что даже мне пришлось сейчас потратить минут десять, что ли, чтобы удостовериться.
>>2854525Well I say foreigners, it’s seems to be exclusively redditors that did this
>>2854525I never expected to be elsewhere, lawl.
even if I have to scrub toilets in the front while artillery and drones explode nearby, I'd be there. given that the Russian government expands its enrollment programs, of course.
I've found the ukrainian propaganda to be more insidious, like take for instance this small clip from the complete video:
https://rutube.ru/video/7eeb2a13ba3a774d16f6f0ab4c37b5ef/trying to disguise what the recruitment is all about with a salsita (dance) and what it seems an AI generated voice of a foreigner trying to speak Spanish with a Eastern-Europe accent and a ukrainian girl that tries to synchronized the lips with the voice, because of course, it must be a woman, not a man.
and this is an official publication of the defense ministery of ukraine, it was at least on their tiktok account. targeting Mexicans.
of course, the NBC runs a 'wow look this horrible propaganda from the Russian MoD'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_tm6_-mOy8the 'real men must step forward' 'how insidius it is'; but they don't bait poor horny men from poor countries with a shaky-shaky dance move to tell you that 'war is le heckling awesome-awesome :D'
If I go to the front, I won't be posting 'tiktoksitos' llorando because I was sent to the wrong place, or we had a rotation scheduled and the superior command decided not to include me, like some of the cholos from Colombia, Brazil and Mexico ended up doing while crying.
>>2854529Ah that’s because you’re based af FARC!
Tbh the only stories for the Russian military I have in mind was one American who wanted to be a welder doing tank repairs because welding is what he’s trained to do, the problem being tank repairs and refurbishments are a civilian job at the factory rather than something you join the military to do, there’s only so much that can be done as field repairs.
There was also a Scotsman who recently returned to the UK and immediately arrested on terrorism charges who joined I believe a private military (not Wagner) as an artillery man and just spent the entire time moaning about the conditions in a private military that didn’t have language requirements and extrapolating that to the entire Russian military, as well as complaining that serving in a private military didn’t get him a passport until people apparently complained to Putin directly about it. He returned because he’s a “Celt” and realised he wasn’t at home with the “Rus”.
Dont join army dumbfuck.
I volunteered for the Russian military too back in 2023 or maybe 2024 and got rejected as well although it was in person and not online. I even said I didn't want to be paid and would do it for free since I was not a mercenary and was fighting for ideological reasons cuz I hate NATO. They should just hand me the nuclear codes so I can finish this joke of a war they're all incompetent. Only I and I alone can save Russia. After nuking Ukraine I would bring back the USSR and then resign and put Lukashenko in charge like he always wanted.
Apparently russian citizens are now buying fuel from neighboring countries.
Nabiullina will trigger the Russian civil war before the end of the year
>>2854557Cuckiullina is a holhol sympathizer who tried to quit on the first day of the war because she loves the West also she kept getting praised by the IMF because she is a monetarist libtard giving bad advice to the Russian government so whoever replaces Cucktin should do the right thing and shoot her for being a traitor.
Russia is no longer a gas station country……because it is out of gasoline
Peskov: Agreements on fuel imports will be a step toward stabilizing the marketMOSCOW, June 30. /TASS/. If agreements are reached on fuel imports at reasonable prices, this will be another step toward stabilizing the market, said Russian Presidential Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov.
https://tass.ru/ekonomika/27871357 >>2854596Why does Russia have to import any fuel at all? I thought smart Ziggers here told me that the refineries being blown up were just small and smoky fires causing little damage and that they would be back online in a single week? They wouldn't lie to me, would they?
Given how retarded USSR was at geopolitics, this war is not surprising at all. I think the Ministry of Foreign Affairs needs to be dismantled and built from the ground-up with help from China.
>>2854599putin said yesterday the level of oil reserves are the same as last year
>>2854602Disagree; the USSR had plenty of concrete wins and had very smart officials who were forced out or assassinated to make way for Putin's clique, but you're right that China taking over Russia in any capacity would benefit the Russians long term. At least the Chinese can teach the Russians restraint and how not to get baited into every single possible war that the Americans want them to get involved in.
>>2854603…You realize that with that claim you're implying that Ukraine successfully managed to do so much damage that Russia wasn't able to increase reserves for the entire year of 2026 so far, right?
>>2854599>I thought smart Ziggers here told me that the refineries being blown up were just small and smoky fires causing little damage and that they would be back online in a single weekLet's face it, this was a little bit of a logic stretch. I bet you the same people will believe the International Energy Agency when it says that dozens of Gulf oil production facilities damaged from Iranian drones and missiles will take two years (conservatively) to repair enough for production to go back to normal levels. What do those guys know?
Turns out those places are full of explodey stuff and lots of things can go wrong anytime, and that's when they're not being attacked by cruise missiles. People don't really understand it because oil and gas workers don't like to talk about the most volatile parts because they sign NDAs to not reveal the most volatile and sensitive parts of refineries, and they can get into trouble if they do and then something bad happens and/or they blacklisted by the industry because there's a ton of crazy motherfuckers out there, and a lot of them are on the internet. This is why NASA sent Bruce Willis into space in that movie to blow up that asteroid, the nerdonoauts didn't know jack about drilling.
>>2854599You know what happens when people see small and smokey fires? Panic buying and speculation.
The irony must be lost on you when pro-Ukrainians claim these attacks are military in nature but the hype entirely revolves around how it inconveniences civilians, either through higher prices, or lower supply or now buying some of it from abroad.
You can continue being incredulous at “small, smokey fires” but you’ll eventually have to accept that it’s creating inconveniences and pathos about Russia being a gas station with “no” gas, not the grandslam against the Russian economy Kiev has been claiming for over a year now.
>>2854615The difference is that Iran could throw drones
and missiles, while Ukraine is restricted to drones which I think we’ve seen enough evidence thus far of not being particularly potent by themselves.
Perhaps the refinery at Tuapse is out of action for years but that’s also one of the few cases where Ukraine could repeatedly hit it, given its location on the coast of the Black Sea where Russia has relatively little coverage. But in the prevailing amount of cases you’ve got 2 or 3 drones hitting multiple square kilometres of refinery space and pro-Ukrainians declaring the entire facility a write off that will never operate again unless rebuilt from scratch.
Like if these refineries were burning for days and days then maybe they’d be complete write offs but they don’t, because they’re refineries and thus fires breaking out was always a particular point of safety planning.
>>2854615Essentially oil and gas worker here. AMA.
I don't have large experience to answer to 99% of what one may ask me. It’s just continued self-delusion that attacks on energy in Ukraine is fine because people could survive winter in Kiev by huddling around wood fires or staying in communal Arctic tents, but Russia is going to collapse into chaos as soon as the population is inconvenienced with a queue at the petrol station.
The conflict is mind bogglingly in Ukraine’s favour, provided you just discard all care and concern for what happens in Ukraine or to Ukrainians with
>they can take it and ask for more just to see victory over Russia!
>>2854648That’s not an oil refinery
>>2854640Is the culture still quite bad? I had a family friend who used to work on them when i was a child and back then things like extreme bullying and sexual assault were relatively common.
>>2854651Different tools for different jobs. If a dozen cheap $100 drones is enough to take out a refinery why waste a missile that cost a million dollars or more to produce at it instead? This is also another sign of Russia's incompetence. Ukraine is winning the economic war. You don't waste your heavy hitter million dollar kill vehicles on low value targets. Ukraine even outsourced their general assassination campaign by paying poor Russians within Russia itself using cryptocurrency and then scamming them by not even giving out the confirmation payout in order to save money. That's way cheaper than attempting to blow up a general's home with a missile.
>>2854663As a wise man once said: "Sad! Many such cases!"
>>2854658Just to make sure we’re following the same thread here
>Ukraine only uses drones against oil refineries and they’re not very potent, nor do the refineries burn for long enough to be destroyed <They have flamingos>But they don’t use them against refineries<Don’t have to, the drones write off refineries every timethat’s the correct summary of this back and forth, right?
>>2854669>they’re not very potent, nor do the refineries burn for long enough to be destroyed I never made this point you're already wrong from the get-go.
I literally started out with the exact
OPPOSITE argument, that is that the damage was worse than all the cope-posters in here were trying to claim. I have no fucking idea how in any possible universe you managed to maliciously interpret that into somehow agreeing with you that the refineries are fine.
This is why I hate this thread and you in particular because you constantly lie about everything to try to suck off Russia and when caught you just redirect to different lies. Whatever I'm leaving for another thread enjoy your circlejerk.
>>2854671Yeah that was my point, I’m the greentext and you’re the orangetext in this summary. Could you please read the post before throwing another shitfit at me?
And btw it’s not exclusively my opinion on this, AMK Mapping seems to report to the affirmative that these drone strikes are never quiet as impressive in the aftermath as they seem on camera and refineries often are repaired in a matter of months.
If everyone believes that entirely destroying refineries beyond repair is the way Ukraine wins the conflict, then the flamingos are more likely to achieve that and what does the economics matter when
>a. It’s billions in damages if the refinery is in fact destroyed
>b. You can buy one flamingo apparently for the cost of 5 suicide drones and gain four times the payload
NAFOids have to face the facts that drone strikes against oil refineries was always about the peremoga of small smokey fires, given a scarce few cruise missiles with some actual potency, launching them at real targets.
They’re launching them at real targets*
Russian troops have taken Konstantynivka.
Russian troops are less than 10km from Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
FABs are raining on Kramatorsk, Gerans are dropping on Slavyansk, and FPV drones are prowling through both.
RuAF will probably consolidate the territory around the fortress belt, dig in for the Winter and bomb the fuck out of Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, while cutting off logistics. They'll probe the river crossing and the houses/hamlets between Konstantynivka and Kramatorsk. Then they will attack it in Spring and probably take them by next summer.
>If a dozen cheap $100 drones is enough to take out a refinery
Ha I blanked this at first, ironically considering the shit fit he just threw, that is in fact a lie that long range drones cost $100.
We don’t half get some fucking stupid anons ITT
>>2854723>FABs are raining on Kramatorsk, Gerans are dropping on Slavyansk, and FPV drones are prowling through both.Were you masturbating to the thought of people's homes and livelyhoods being destroyed, while you were writing this?
>>2854741suddenly an appeal to humanity from the side that posts non-stop gore and snuff footage and revels in it
>>2854749That's both sides, though. I just disliked that one particular sentence as it was quite masturbatory.
>>2854741Surely that’d have to be when Ukraine rejected peace in 2022, so many beans were blown on that day in excitement for conflict with Russia that I’m surprised we didn’t see a second global toilet paper shortage
>>2854758Some people are horrible, yes. Why you choose to target those horrible people of the past instead of an example of the same happening right in front of your eyes is beyond me.
>>2854759Because those people are still here and they’re still throwing shit fits at me for disputing Ukrainian propaganda
>>2854763Okay since you’re not a fan of my takes, let me put on my pro-Ukraine mask just for a moment
>Ha that’s so obviously AI I can’t believe people fall for it>Geolocation? That’s probably old footage from Syria >Telegram milblogger says it’s an empty warehouse, nice try, but it was cleared out two weeks ago!>The warehouse wasn’t fully cleared out but the missile was inaccurate and missed the cargo..>The target was destroyed but it was donated for free by the west who has infinite money while that missile cost like what? 6 billion? Think of the economics >>2854648>posting screenshots again because actually linking the article exposes your positionHey so how's your boy white rex doing
>>2854763>drone dematerializesNo wonder ad is having such a hard time with them
>>2854741Most of the civilians have been evacuated. The ones who stayed are waiting to be liberated. Russia attacks military targets exclusively. They're not terrorists like Ukraine.
Posted this in /akm/ but reposting here for relevance
https://archive.is/NOR5KAmerica seeks its McDonald’s model for missile making
<Defence groups are developing modular workshops that can mass-produce cheap missiles during wartime
>The building in north-east Virginia is squat and unremarkable. But inside, rows of missiles lie on worktops waiting to be primed by young technicians for America’s next war.
>“This is all set up for if we have to go very fast,” said Doug Denneny, a greying veteran whose defence group Co-Aspire rents the warehouse. He strides past a dozen workstations where warheads would be slotted into open-bellied missiles.
>The workshop is designed to solve a simple problem: the US does not produce enough missiles, and those that it does are eye-wateringly expensive. As the country’s munitions stockpiles dwindled during the conflict with Iran, finding ways to produce quickly, cheaply and at scale has become an increasingly urgent challenge.
>Working at full surge capacity, it would currently take the Pentagon years rather than months to replace missiles fired at Iran. America produces only 600 Tomahawks every year, and they cost about $2.6mn apiece. The PrSM and JASSM, two other mainstays, each cost around $1.6mn and $1.9mn.
>“The American arsenal is based exclusively on expensive, exquisite and hard-to-produce weapons systems,” said Michael Horowitz, a former Pentagon official responsible for defence innovation. “We have entered a different era of warfare, and now the US needs to change.”
>There are signs it is starting to happen. There is an alphabet soup of experimental projects and acquisition programmes for missiles and drones. The US Air Force has requested some $12bn over the next five years for 28,000 missiles. Another Pentagon programme unveiled last month envisages buying 10,000 ground-launched missiles over the next three years.
>Some of these missiles could in principle be mass-produced on a dime at facilities designed to mushroom across America when wartime comes. “You could build this in a high school gymnasium,” said Denneny, standing beside missiles whose scrabbly wires were waiting to be hooked on to circuit boards.
>At Denneny’s workshop, which he likens to a McDonald’s model for missile making, there are no complicated machines. Every missile is simple enough to be built following instructions from a notepad; a new mechanic armed with hand tools could be trained to assemble them within a month. There are a handful of 3D printers producing parts that whirr round the clock beside office cubicles for engineers.
>It is one of a number of defence start-ups and tech groups — such as Anduril, which produces out of Ohio — that have been trying to drive the pace of innovation. Co-Aspire, which is working on two missiles for the Pentagon, perfected the first in four months and is expecting to finish the second within five.
>The Pentagon has expressed intent to buy more than 12,000 hypersonic missiles from Castelion, a three-year-old start-up, once its new Blackbeard system meets certain testing and validation milestones. Once its site in New Mexico is running at full tilt, Castelion expects to be able to produce 6,000 every year at a cost of about $400,000 each. It is already looking to build new production facilities elsewhere.
>“Mass matters, cost matters, availability matters,” said co-founder Andrew Kreitz, a former SpaceX executive, adding that beating bottlenecks plaguing existing defence production requires piggybacking on parts that are already widely produced.
>“You have to, from the outset, make something that is easy to manufacture and low cost, and this has to flow down to all your engineering decisions,” he said.
>Co-Aspire, for example, has designed its latest missile to be built mostly with parts that can be bought off-the-shelf, including engines that were originally made for hobbyists flying remote-controlled aeroplanes. Castelion has turned to components often found in cars.
>“It is certainly feasible for there to be a ramp-up to thousands of missiles per year across each of these manufacturers in peacetime,” said Fabian Hoffmann at the University of Oslo, adding the funds flowing into production during wartime would allow them to churn out thousands every month.
>The US has, for decades, prepared for shock-and-awe campaigns with sophisticated weapons. But Ukraine, which the Pentagon has studied closely, has served as a reminder that attritional, high-intensity warfare is a game of numbers.
>Now the Iran war experience has reinforced those conclusions: that producing missiles fit for the last war could well lose the next. The importance of mass production is no longer a matter of debate in the Pentagon. Analysts estimated before the war in Iran, based on war games simulations, that the US could exhaust some key stockpiles within weeks of a conflict with China.
>Deeper stockpiles would ensure America can sustain a long war by firing hundreds of precise missiles a day, but with more punch and speed than the one-way attack drones which have become common in Ukraine and the Middle East.
>The US has, similarly, begun to build its production of drones. It used the Lucas, a one-way attack drone reverse-engineered by start-up SpektreWorks from an Iranian Shahed-136, for the first time in combat in February. The Pentagon is looking to begin mass-producing them, and has requested to triple its spending on drones and related technologies to over $74bn next year.
>In Virginia, Denneny was coy about who his missiles were being bought to fight against. But he was clear that it can have an impact, even in peacetime. “It creates a very impressive deterrent effect because our adversaries know we can replicate these missiles very quickly, affordably, and fill out stockpiles.”
>But it may not all be plain sailing, points out Tom Karako at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. The Pentagon will have to accept that cheaper weapons will not be as precise or as reliable as those in the past. That means the US armed forces may also need to be more flexible with their demands.
>“We cannot get capacity without first fixing the customer,” Karako said, adding that defence industries are sectors developed over time by a single client. It will take big orders for the Pentagon to enable defence groups to scale, test and develop new weapons.
>But simpler missiles can have other benefits: they can reduce the time needed to train fresh soldiers to use them, particularly given how arcane the operating systems of older missile systems can be.
>“It has to be intuitive for them to use,” said John Ferrari, a former commanding general of the White Sands Missile Range where the Pentagon tests new missiles. “You have to design the software so that soldiers are using it in the same way they use their iPhones.”Paints a pretty rosy picture on top of "the US mic is unfit for task and now has to play catch up with its adversaries" lmbo
>>2854936
>>2854936
>And they only had to kill just like 1-2% of the population
yeah, Ukraine's.
>>2854994are the hohols going to do terrorist attacks on japan now or do they only cross that line if africans suffer?
>>2854930pouring billions into a millieu of unproven startups that are going to embezzle the majority of the money and fail to deliver the requested specs and volumes isn't playing catchup it's throwing one last orgy before the barbarians break through the gates.
>>2854697ah, it was a good idea to include AMK then :D
>>2854741the baby-cake-slicing motherfuckers in kiev will be surely angry that it's not Russians who are getting FAB'd.
they had multiple chances to make peace. they decided to be nato's pawn to weaken Russia. do you want people to sympathize with them? they better get rid off of their biletskies, their lubinets, their korchynskies, their budanovs, their zalushnies. no? then boo-hoo.
“Yes Ukrainian Nazism is a grave offense. The whole nation must be condemned for this, despite the fact that these issues are seeing a massive resurgence solely due to the Russian invasion in 2014 and the subsequent one in 2022. All of Ukraine is Nazi.”
“The Islamic extremism that Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran exhibit? Why, but that’s only a result of The West’s (TM) meddling in the Middle East, these groups wouldn’t be so radical if they weren’t pushed by external forces. The Hamas charter calling for the extermination of all Jews? Oh come now that’s not so serious, you can’t blame them as their people are being killed. Of course they will radicalize.”
>Russia invaded ukraine in 2014.
see? the
>HOW DARE YOU TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT FABS FALLING ON THE HEAD OF UKRAINIANS
crowd is at it again with their ritual of fetishized humiliation.
no evidence of a 2014 Russian invasion, but somehow, that's a justification to embrace nazism.
as if the orange revolution didn't brought yushchenko who declared bandera their national hero, YEARS, before 2014.
enjoy your humiliation buddy bud.
amazes me: Ho Chi Min should've embraced nazism after Vietnam was invaded by France and then the US, huh.
totally justifiable, by all means.
>>2855043yeah the Vietnamese totally had a Nazi collaborator as one of their nation’s founding figure that was useful to appeal to in order to mobilize radical elements to come to the defense of the country in the face of an existential threat
In the same way the Iranians and Palestinians also have to cling to the myth of a pedophile warlord charlatan to effectively fight imperialism
>>2855045Stay upset, dumb uighur.
>>2855049yeah the user calling muhammad a warlord pedophile is a uyghur
iamverysmart
Have you ever contemplated that "propaganda victory" isn't real? That it will never be substitute for real victory? That focusing on it is the reason your empire is declining in the first place?
All you're doing is seething against a fait accompli, revealing what a fucking loser you are. And while it was amusing for a time, you're boring me. I'm bored. Stop boring me.
>>2855043Many independence figures of nations colonized by the Anglo-French-Dutch like al-Gaylani, Bose, Sukarno, etc aligned with the Axis so that Allied power would be weakened, and I do not blame them one bit.
>>2855098Pro-German sentiment outside of Europe post-WWI was always funny to me. They were seen as "one of the good ones", because all they did was lose their colonies. It's trivially easy for me to blame such idiotic, blatant opportunism.
>>2855101Its not about seeing them as "one of the good ones", its about playing your current colonizing power against an enemy.
>>2855093what the fuck are you rambling on about you mental patient
>>2855105>my simping for Nazis was actually big brain!No, it wasn't. It never was.
>>2855119Surely you hold the same attitude for the Molotov Ribbentrop pact yes? Stalin was wrong to sign it cause he was simping for the Nazis?
>>2855039>The Hamas charter calling for the extermination of all Jews?Zionist detected.
>>2855158
>I'm not a zionist, I just use their tactics
No one's fooled by you using the 1988 charter you zionist pig rat.
>>2855168>you're a zionist for citing Hamas' own document word for wordpost-truth leftism
>>2850640>Russia has already lost. The US got exactly what they wanted, they got 2 retard shards of the USSR to fight and bleed each other, without losing a single American soldier.pretty sure there's volunteer reddit battalions getting cooked in ukraine
>>2855201You could've, at least, pointed out they didn't repudiate the 1988 charter, dumbfuck.
>>2855212
show them. OSCE documents, please.
>>2855045Imagine being so dense that can't understand between picking a liberation movement in the face of national crisis, like communism or socialism, and fucking nazism.
radlib, stay radlib.
and this is another reason why I know this is not a
le inter-memeriaslistic war.
ukrainians could've chosen communism, they decided for full naizm.
>>2855098>during wwiiopinion discarded.
>>2855128>the Molotov Ribbentrop pact yeshow is it? aligning with germany during wwii was based or not? you can't play both ways the same card
>BASED al-Gaylani, Bose, Sukarno FOR PLAYING THE NAZI MOVEMENT!>DAMN USSR FOR MOLOTOV-RIBBENTROP.you can't have it both ways, you disingenuous troll.
picrel.
>>2855209this is the thread where they come for their ritual of fetishized humiliation. they know they are publicly showing their rartedness, they want to be shown as a retardness, even if it is 'anonymous', it brings them joy, excitement to be treated like pigs, like trash.
that's why they come.
>Manichean anti-imperialista board autists having melties again because someone pointed out their arguments would also justify bombing Iran and Gaza>>2855093Tankanon please go outside. Touch the grass and enjoy the summer before your bones go brittle and you're in a nursing home
>having a meltie
I am not the one having the options between living in banderistan and elsewhere, choses the former and pretending to be left-wing or communist in left-wing board.
or at least I assume it's a 'pretending', because /pol/ tier right-wings don't stay longer than 5 minutes, before exploding from the minority rights inclusion talks.
LMAO.
also, imagine comparing Gaza with banderistan.
reminder:
the number of children and women killed by zionistaln in Gaza is 32% to 44% and 16% to 20% respectively.
In the borderlands these numbers don't amass more than but 0.7% and 3% to 4.1% respectively.
the figures I am giving include civilians+armed forces IN BOTH places.
>>2855128There was no Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. There was a trade agreement, which Westoid glowies interpreted as containing "secret protocols", describing how USSR and Germany wanted to divide Europe. In other words, a nefarious plot by our secretive, lying enemies, which they both denied and which had no evidence in German archives but was only found in Russian archives, containing sentence structures prevalent in English, in multiple variations, including different numbers of pages, different placement of signatures, etc etc, and with people who present those documents putting a disclaimer that those documents are, in fact, not originals but rather "faithful recreations based on known terms of protocol".
TL;DR: Stalin didn't sign nothing with Hitler, it's anticommunist propaganda without even a shred of evidence behind it
INTERIMPERIALIST CONFLICT
>>2855235Bro they divided Poland lmao don't lie. Go with the "buying time" argument.
>>2855238Russia did what other states did. Why are you holding the ussr to a different standard?
>>2855238Germany did. USSR merely took stewardship of Polish territories, which USSR RECONCILED WITH POLAND AFTER THE WAR, which resulted in Poland exchanging it's eastern territories for German eastern territories, with population moving around in the millions.
GET YOUR FACTS FUCKING STRAIGHT. There was no Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, period
>>2855242"There was no Molotov Ribbentrop pact"
See above: "post-truth leftism"
>>2855228you took like someone in serious mental distress lmao
chill out uygha this is an anonymous internet forum ahahaha
>>2855229Who said all Ukrainians are Nazis? Like that’s the self-victimisation you repeatedly project on to the thread, but other than Spurdo who is a concern troll anyway, whose saying Russia needs to go full Zionist for de-Nazification?
Do we have any St. Petersburg or Moscow anons here? Has there been more Ukrainian long range strikes on the cities?
>>2855253No, it's called antirevisionism. USSR's position had always been that no pact took place. How is it POST-truth to reiterate position of a communist nation?
Pretty bizarre to conflate a pact with simping
>>2855265
Your capitalist overlords are lying to you about communists, you know?
>>2855266Although to be fair that conflation explains a lot about this conflict and why it was impossible to avoid with a neutrality pact
>>2855276
You sound like you do to be fair, or at least trying to.
>>2855276
You surely know that back in the day everyone was cutting out and pasting back in people in photos all the time, because of how printing press works for images?
>>2855261Depends on your timeline. Strikes have been pretty consistent for a few weeks now. More impacts today.
From Moscow with love.
time traveller from 2032 here, nothing has significantly changed
>>2855238there was no 'poland' to divide once the USSR went in. the government dissolved, there was no state. only nazis invaded the state of poland, the USSR occupied stateless land.
I am pretty sure the USSR would have backed the polish government of the time to withstand the invasion of germany; but if anything, the government ran away like cowards.
>>2855622Furthermore, there was an open threat from Nazis that they would create buffer states in Eastern Polish territories if USSR doesn't do anything about this land. meaning that MOLOTOV-RIBBENTROP PACT DIDN'T EXIST IN REALITY because otherwise there would be no need for such a diplomatic message to USSR if Germany and USSR had spheres of influence in Poland or plans to divide it
>>2855632>>2855632funni shi is that anti-communists can't contain themselves. all I've met during the last 3 years anti-Russians ITT are inherently anti-communists. and it shows once they start talking about the USSR and so on. though some (actual communists) initially reform, once they engage in good faith and learn more about the conflict.
there are irremediable recurrent radlibs, since 2023, still lurking around.
>>2855687*since 2022
HAH! can't read an article about Palestine without mixing 2023 with 2022.
>Former Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny, who currently serves as Ambassador to the United Kingdom, announced he would run for president of Ukraine if elections were held this fall.
>When asked specifically: "Would he run in the elections if they were held, say, this fall?" Zaluzhny answered unequivocally: "Yes."
https://sonar21.com/ukraines-desperate-propaganda-campaign-while-russia-advances-along-the-entire-front/
>Volodymyr Zelensky and his Western backers have launched a desperate 40-day “campaign of terrors” — which includes a mix of military escalations and a massive information/psyops operation designed to portray Russia as collapsing and Putin as facing an imminent uprising or coup. The goal is to force Russia into a ceasefire. Western audiences are being flooded with social media and regular media articles that paint a dire picture of Russia’s military campaign, while touting Ukraine’s incredible accomplishments. It is all a load of crap, but that is all the West has left in its quiver as Russia’s campaign of attrition continues to pulverize Ukraine.
>The Western-led propaganda campaign consists of the following elements:
<Information Warfare — Heavy push of 24/7 propaganda about Putin’s “imminent downfall,” including staged videos of supposed Russian soldiers announcing a mutiny.
<Fake Psyops — Coordinated attempts to stoke panic in Russia (e.g., false claims of fuel/gas shortages, which were partly caused by panic buying triggered by the rumors). USymbolic Actions — Staged drone flag-drops (e.g., on the Kinburn Spit near Crimea) meant to symbolize Russian retreat and collapse — quickly debunked and mocked.
<Broader Objective — Combine these narratives with actual strikes on Russian infrastructure to create the impression of regime instability, pressuring Putin politically.
>Now for the reality. Yes, Ukraine has hit some Russian refineries and created some spectacular visuals of billowing smoke and fire. However, this is nothing more than military political theater that is intended to distract from Urkaine’s setbacks all along the front. As a side note, Russian oil exports have increased during this same period, putting to bed the narrative that Russia’s oil industry in suffering catastrophic losses. Here is a summary of Russian activity, starting in the Northern section of the front:
<Sumy Direction
>In the Sumy direction, the “North” assault groups advanced on 19 sectors, and some units of Ukraine’s 104th Territorial Defense Brigade abandoned their positions in Bachevsk. Russian forces continued active operations along the border, conducting strikes on Ukrainian positions and logistics. They reported repelling multiple Ukrainian attempts to cross into Russian territory and inflicting significant losses on enemy manpower and equipment. Russian soldiers are now only a few kilometers from Sumy itself.
<Kharkiv Direction
>Russian troops advanced in several sectors north and northeast of Kharkiv. The MOD reported the liberation of additional border settlements and improvement of tactical positions. Russian Geran drones conduct a series of high-precision strikes on gas infrastructure in Kharkiv region overnight. A gas distribution station near Panyutino was struck — disabling gas storage tanks, gas pumping plants, and a gas treatment facility. The Skvortsovskaya gas treatment system near Kosogorovka was also hit. Ukrainian counterattacks were repelled, with Russian artillery and aviation playing a key role in degrading enemy capabilities.
<Donetsk Direction (Primary Focus)
>Donetsk remains the main direction of Russian offensive operations. Russian troops are steadily advancing on the Pokrovsk axis, with Russian forces capturing multiple settlements and pushing toward key logistical nodes. The most notable achievement is in Konstantinovka, where Russian units have taken control of most of the city and disrupted Ukrainian supply lines. With both Pokrovsk and Konstantinovka gone, Russia controls the two southern and eastern approaches that previously buffered the Kramatorsk-Sloviansk agglomeration. The H-32 Pokrovsk-Konstantinovka highway and the T-0504 Bakhmut-Pokrovsk highway — both of which Russian forces had been fighting to seize specifically to link these two axes — now forms a contiguous corridor under Russian control, allowing logistics and force concentration to flow directly toward Druzhkivka and Kramatorsk without contesting two separate urban battles.The Russians also are advancing around Chasiv Yar and Toretsk, including gains in urban fighting and elevated positions.
>Overall, the Russian MOD described consistent liberation of territory, high daily Ukrainian losses, and effective use of glide bombs, drones, and artillery to support ground advances.
<Dnipropetrovsk Oblast (Dnipro region)
>In the Dnipropetrovsk direction, the 36th Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade captured Bogodarivka, the third settlement in three days since crossing the Dnieper River. Russian forces continue conducting regular long-range strikes (missiles and drones) on military-industrial targets, energy infrastructure, and logistical hubs in the oblast. Key targets included defense factories, repair facilities, and rail nodes supporting the Ukrainian front.
<Zaporizhzhia Direction
>In the Zaporozhye area, Russian forces have blocked a Ukrainian bridgehead in Aleksandrovka and have reached the southern outskirts of Pokrovskoye. After Russian forces took control of Novy Donbass, they advanced towards Shevchenko and Svetloye, isolating Ukrainian forward positions with drones. Russian forces maintain pressure through artillery, drone strikes, and localized assaults, destroying Ukrainian strongholds and equipment while holding defensive lines.
<Kherson Direction
>Operations remained largely positional along the Dnipro River. The Russian MOD highlighted successful strikes on Ukrainian crossings, logistics, and manpower concentrations on the right bank. Russian units conducted raids and maintained control over left-bank positions.
>In other words, the Russian summer offensive is underway and Ukraine, despite its propaganda offensive, is retreating to the west. >>2855757that's too explicit to mean 'anything'.
>>2855799Summy catches my attention. if the military leadership/political leadership plans to go for Novorossiya, then it makes total sense to have a corridor from there.
>>2855799It's crazy how this war could end right now if Russia just withdraws their murderous invasion of Ukraine.
>>2855799It's crazy how this war could end right now if Ukraine just withdraws their murderous invasion of Donbas.
>>2855869The Donbas is part of Ukraine, so Ukraine hasn't invaded it.
>>2855877Pic related.
>>2855813>that's too explicit to mean 'anything'.Yeah, sorry, I was being facetious.
>problem with north stream 2 is that it was built
>the new president of Germany, donald tusk.
I know this love for cuckoldry and shi, but c'mon.
>>2855912>big arrows with armor are cancelled>fuel isn't as important as beforelul, what playing too much HoI4 does to a mf.
>>2855211
USA is a third world nation. the money will get embezzled.
>>2856000i remember he was one of the few people who correctly predicted the invasion. days before it happened on youtube he was saying that a huge war was coming. he shouldn't have really said that if he really had insider sources in the militry and spread it on youtube. maybe thats why he got whacked. or it was really an accident.
>>2856000>zigger>expliainhow about no, and you fuck off.
>>2856044all the responsible people are sentenced to jail, the course was expedite and the defense couldn't even find arguments of innocence to reduce the sentence, material and intellectual authors.
>>2856058>the coursethe *court
f. the autocorrect.
>>2856118this image made me laugh
>>2856144
He deserved to get tortured and murdered for fighting on Russia's side?
>>2856155Russell Bentley didn't fight in the SMO. He was long retired by that point. Was hated by nearly every Westerner fighting on Russian side. Got his ass kicked by P. Lancaster in a fistfight. It was only a matter of time till his mouth got him killed.
>>2855779Oops, sorry, I meant Ukraine's invasion of Novorussia. My bad!
>>2856050>i remember he was one of the few people who correctly predicted the invasion.For sure. Yeah I watched that and he convinced me it was going down for real. But also because he's a Texan and I believed him. He was like "listen, I can't really tell you what's going to happen and this all real secret shit, but… well listen hombres it's about to go down big" and then he did some suggestive look. I was like yeah okay it's happening and OF COURSE this redneck idiot would blow it like this. Just the body language and look in the eyes. I know the type. That's just me.
>he shouldn't have really said that if he really had insider sources in the militry and spread it on youtube. Eh, yeah, but governments were actively preparing for war at that stage, the Western side was rushing in anti-tank missiles to try and thwart the initial armored offensive and Ukraine was handing out AK-47s to civilians. I might have the sequence wrong but it was pretty obvious things were about to kick off. I hadn't really heard anything on the other "side" like that. But also language barrier, not knowing where to look. The kind of war Telegram stuff wasn't as widespread as it is now. Bentley communicated to a Western audience. But where he was, it could've just been word going around as they geared up and battened down the hatches. Word tends to just get out with big stuff like that.
>maybe thats why he got whacked. or it was really an accident.Eh, doubt he got whacked for that. One of the biggest dangers in war zones to non-combatants (and he was out of the fight at that point) is really just getting waylaid by criminals.
>>2856156>Got his ass kicked by P. Lancaster in a fistfight. It was only a matter of time till his mouth got him killed.Sounds about right.
Also the CIA has other sources, you know? It's not like they were watching Russell Bentley and were like damn we had no idea, this is a complete surprise, but now thanks to Russell Bentley's mistakes we can reveal Putin's secret plan. Although they probably were watching. People like you and me don't normally have sources adjacent to Russian army (well, outside of this thread) so we have the Russell Bentleys.
Welp, say goodbye to the cucktin posters and hello to the critical support for defensive Nazism anons (definitely different people).
>>2856264tip-toeing very carefully with the picture of yaroslav levenets being awarded by zelya. avoiding any comment.
denis voronenkov's case reminds of every single Pal/UA flag moron in X. literally the guy, a communist, abandons the comfort of the Russian state (guy was member of the Duma, a parliament, enjoyed state resources, state care, state healthcare, connections, etc.), goes to ukraine with
le interimperialistic conflict in mind, before 2022, way before 2022, and these fucking right sektor nazis got him killed.
levenets had a prosecution case, never went to court, but he was pointed out as one of the masterminds behind denis' assassination plot by the only two guys who were sentenced. meaning, zelya pardoned him.
then obvs, come the photo op, awards him, don't remember what, but it had a monetary givas too.
also, every single moron with a Pal/UA flag on X remind me of denis.
not even the fucking anarchists can find peace in ukraine, without getting harassed by banderites.
le dimperdiadistic ghuar Russia bombed a 5 star hotel in Kiev that’s claimed to be a command centre for the Ukrainian military, if true then it just describes the Ukrainian leadership perfectly, it has everything
>It’s illegal
>It’s cowardly
>It’s expensive
>It’s tactless
>It’s probably shielded with foreign diplomats
>>2856306Still playing with that gimmick?
>>2856309I have no idea what you're talking about. It just seems so funny to me that you're trying to portray a civilian object as a military target in the same exact way the zionist entity is justifying its genocide.
>>2856317Right but we’re discussing a five star hotel, not a hospital that supposedly has a Hamas hideout underneath it.
Can you see the difference? If you can, then you know why it’s a gimmick.
>>2856318I can see the difference between two buildings, yes. I can also see the similarity in rhetoric between the zionist entity and the Russian state, and in post-hoc justifications of their strikes on civilian targets. Can you not?
>>2856320>I can see the difference between two buildings, yesOoh but I don’t think you can though. It’s a lot more plausible that the powerful and influential are shacked up in five star luxury than a hospital being built on top of an underground Hamas base.
>>2856323Sure, I'll give you "more plausible". I take it Rublyovka is a valid target then?
>>2856326I dunno you’re the one clutching his pearls, you tell me.
>>2856341That the best you can come up with? Weren't you the one mad about Ukrainian strikes on oil processing plants "inconveniencing civilians"?
>>2856342No. My point was that pro-Ukrainians were hyping up the small smokey fires as decisive, but they were measuring that by whether the attacks are inconveniencing civilians, not whether it had an effect at the front.
Do you have many of these avoidant questions btw? Or can we just agree that your gimmick of equating everything Russia does to what Zionists do is done?
>>2856349I think I've made my point clear enough. That you can't see how hitting two different civilian targets and then rationalising it afterwards by claiming that there was a NATO/Hamas base there is, in fact, the same course of action, is not on me.
>>2856350Well if that’s what you think..
>>2856354
Yes, I invented the NAFO hype over literally any mention of queues at any petrol station anywhere in Russia, it was all me.
>>2856463
read the title again fag
>>2856463
45 to 25 millions ukryyainians status?
>>2856495icl it does seem that at least the eu will do anything to get the 8 mil refugees back into ukraine
>>2856317Ziggers are indistinguishable from zionists at this point
>our collateral damage<their war crimes>their civilian targets are hiding commanders/mercenaries>we had to invade after they killed our people>their press gangs<our citizens embracing their patriotic duty>our bombing of legitimate logistical targets<their cynical strikes against civilian infrastructure>hamas/ukraine is an existential threat, this justifies leveling entire cities>our enemies are all fundamentalists/nazis including the civilians>leftists should support us because our enemies are anticommunists>we have elections and our enemies (Ukraine/Hamas) don't! >their statues to ghoulish reactionaries and collaborators<our monuments to complex patriotic heroes>uhm don't you know Israel/Russia have socialist and communists parties? radlibs at it again comparing Russia with zionistland, lmao
reminder:
MINDICH LIVES NOW IN ISRAEL
>>2856531>>uhm don't you know Israel/Russia have socialist and communists parties?ijbol kprf literally states in its programme that "protection of the national-state interests of russia today blends with the struggle for socialism"
russia doesnt even have communists brah
>>2856520>at least the eu will do anything to get the 8 mil refugees back into ukraineyou mean getting them killed?
meh, the eu needs cheap labor. and ukrainian onlyfan girls.
so that's that.
>>2856543And some zioligarchs have dual israeli-russian citizenship.
Anyway, please answer why """leftists""" shouldn't """critically support""" Israel against Iran because the latter is led by anti-communists who ban communist parties.
>Hard mode: No Clash of Civilizations/going full ᴉuᴉlossnW >>2856545the website that posted that 'news' was idc, known zionist website charading as communist, btw.
in reality the people arrested, and sentenced, couldn't justify before the court the materials to destabilize the state, including literature to make bombs, materials on sabotage, etc.
if you are a Marxist group and you are planning to seize the government through violence, better be prepared to be caught and be in jail.
that you want to make a political case about that ignoring that Russia has one of the largest communist parties and the second most important party in Russia, is peak radlibery.
lemme know what happens to communists in ukraine, to socialist and communist parties in ukraine.
total radlibery from your side.
>>2856560Care to tell us what happens to communists in Iran?
>>2856552boy, you are asking a question to someone that knows the difference between language and cultural suppression that israel exerts, that Iran doesn't exert, ukraine exert, and Russia doesn't exert.
but go on, keep on with the
>Hard mode: No Clash of Civilizations/going full ᴉuᴉlossnW believing I am somehow a criptofascist because I don't fucking like your banderite state.
now I take back your challange:
answer me why should I give my support to a state that backs people like yaroslav levenets.
>>2856560>that you want to make a political case about that ignoring that Russia has one of the largest communist parties and the second most important party in Russia, is peak radliberyWithout even getting into the KPRF's program and whether or not its worth anything, United Russia is still larger than every other party combined. So the communists are technically the second largest, but in practice UR can just ignore them. The government has also shown it will not hesitate to repress the KPRF if they think its getting too uppity, like how they arrested a bunch of them right before the SMO because they complained about unfair election practices. It's pretty clear that the communists are only allowed to operate within a small and strictly circumscribed space where they can offer no real opposition to the government. Still better than Ukraine where they're banned entirely, but let's not forget that Russia is a bourgeois country and behaves as such.
>>2856562You shouldn't. That's the point. But this goes for Russia too. Why should you support a state that backs anti-communists in the west, and invites white nationalists to conferences? Why should you support states that kill communists?
I just wanna grill, i don't care about this manichean apocalyptic multipolaroid nonsense. I'd live in Russia, or Israel or Iran if I felt the like it. But I don't go about pretending that my "critical support" for any of them is, meaningful, principled or 'socialist'. They're all reactionary anti-communist states. None of them are free of 'sin'.
>>2856560> in reality the people arrested, and sentenced, couldn't justify before the court the materials to destabilize the state, including literature to make bombs, materials on sabotage, etc.apparently now communists have to overthrow the government without knowing how to do it lolololol
>>2856565>ut this goes for Russia toopf. hell no, lmao.
anyone bashing nazis day and night has my support.
moreover, whoever puts a halt to the hegemon of the US regime.
>>2856564ridiculous non-sequitur.
and the current state of the communist party there is gorby's/yetlsin's fault, not UR's.
>>2856568show me what the ua state does to communist. tell me.
they award their killers.
>>2856564>>2856583also, in 2018, during the Pension Reform, neoliberal proposal from the UR, the KPFR managed to soften the proposal, even without having the political muscle inside the Duma to stop it, after organizing, mobilizing and coordinating nation-wide protests.
the retirement age for women was raised by 5 years instead of the initially proposed 8 years, and guarantees were introduced to protect pre-retirees from dismissal, for example.
or in 2005:
the kPRF organized a powerful wave of protests against a law that replaced in-kind benefits with cash payments, forcing the government to adjust the policy and keep some benefits in their original form.
and from 2024-2026;
>The restoration of pension indexation for working pensioners>The introduction of a progressive taxation system.>The beginning of a process to move away from the Bologna education system>The initiation of legal action by the Prosecutor General's Office to challenge the privatization of strategic enterprisesyou love to do that. big talk, no substance, big claims, no backed by reality.
>>2856583>the current state of the communist party there is gorby's/yetlsin's fault, not UR'sDo you unironically think that the Russian bourgeoisie (and bourgeois parties like UR) have no interest in keeping the communists as weak and impotent as possible?
>>2856608Except the communists in Russia are neither weak nor impotent
>>2856608>have no interest in keeping the communists as weak and impotent as possible?>>2856591>weak.uh huh.
no other socialist/communist party has achieved anything like this, not even in france, even less in britain, which is stupidly neoliberal.
france in 2023 enforced, without any restriction, the age of retirement from 62 to 64. no fucking socialists, no fucking melenchon, no-fucking-thing stopped it.
talk to me about 'powerless' again.
>>2856611Anon UR has about 5 deputies for every communist one. They may be able to mobilize to extract some social democratic concessions, but for the most part Putin can just ignore them. They haven't accomplished anything that Western socdems haven't done.
>>2856618Anon even by your own admission all they've managed to do is "soften" right wing policies by making them slightly less terrible. How is this better than what Western social democrats are capable of?
>>2856621am I again to show you the GINI indexes of countries again, include western neolib shitholes and Russia and shove it up to your face? what was it your slimey excuse then? 'hurr durr Canada slow, Canada wins, ergo checkmate OOT!'
>>2856626>am I again to show you the GINI indexes of countries againRussia's GINI index is 33.0. Canada's is 29.9.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coefficient-by-country >>2856630lmao you did the
>'hurr durr Canada slow, Canada wins, ergo checkmate OOT!'protip:
canada's gini is slow because canada lacks of gdp growth.
>>2856565Neither Washington nor Moscow but actually Washington
>>2856640You're the one that brought up GINI as somehow proof of the KPRF's success and power. Idk why you'd do that considering that Russia's is higher than or at least comparable to most Western countries. Canada, France, Japan, the UK, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, and Ireland all have lower ones. That just supports my argument that the KPRF are comparable to Western social democrats in their effect on government policy. That's not to suggest that these countries are "better" than Russia. In fact I'd say that with the exception of Ireland their net effect on the world is objectively much worse. But idk why you guys are always glazing the KPRF or pretending like Russia is some kind of quasi-socialisr state. It's a bourgeois state like most others that happens to be inadvertently doing more good than harm in the world (from a socialist perspective) purely out of the opposition between their bourgeoisie and that of the West.
>>2856619>thinks democracy in a sovereign anti-imperialist state that doesn’t allow Westoid influence is the same as his shitty western “democracy” where special interest groups control everything and politicians are only responsible to their donorsAstounding ignorance or actively lying to make Russia look bad, take your pick
>>2856650When capitalism is in service to the state democracy is both real and actualized to 100% of the population. United Russia is the natural party of governance invested with the full confidence of the Russian people, and as consequence they as a party are fully beholden to their interests, including those of the communists. Contrast this with your precious imperial core, where the 50% is pitted against the 49.8% for the benefit of the 0.2%
>>2856656Sorry anon but if you unironically think that a state can stand above class contradictions and not be beholden to one class interest or another then you objectively have much more in common with ᴉuᴉlossnW than Marx. In fact the notion of a state that subordinates class conflict an undifferentiated national interest is core tenet of fascism, but Marxists know such a thing is impossible and only serves to obscure the reality of class rule.
>>2856659Not only an ultra but also breathlessly promoting the shitlib definition of fascism! Is there any liberalism you don’t subscribe to?
>>2856647>Canadaagain, canada low gini is a result of non-existent gdp growth. all other countries, except for ireland, have stready gini increase since the 90s. cope.
>somehow proof of the KPRF's success and powerPICREL.
cope x2.
>>2856669I guess Lenin was an ultra lmao
<On the one hand, the bourgeois, and particularly the petty-bourgeois, ideologists, compelled under the weight of indisputable historical facts to admit that the state only exists where there are class antagonisms and a class struggle, “correct” Marx in such a way as to make it appear that the state is an organ for the reconciliation of classes. According to Marx, the state could neither have arisen nor maintained itself had it been possible to reconcile classes. From what the petty-bourgeois and philistine professors and publicists say, with quite frequent and benevolent references to Marx, it appears that the state does reconcile classes. According to Marx, the state is an organ of class rule, an organ for the oppression of one class by another; it is the creation of “order”, which legalizes and perpetuates this oppression by moderating the conflict between classes. In the opinion of the petty-bourgeois politicians, however, order means the reconciliation of classes, and not the oppression of one class by another; to alleviate the conflict means reconciling classes and not depriving the oppressed classes of definite means and methods of struggle to overthrow the oppressors.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch01.htm#s1There is no room in the Marxist conception of the state for one that stands above class contradictions and does not actively enforce the class rule of one over another.
>>2856670>massive spike then decline, now reversingOkay so Russia's GINI index is rising according to your own image.
>>2856683Except the Russian state puts the interests of the productive members of Russian society, the proletariat, first and foremost. Meanwhile in the imperial core in exchange for blood stained treats you get all your political representation done for you by an ever shifting international cabal
>>2856689>Except the Russian state puts the interests of the productive members of Russian society, the proletariat, first and foremostSo if Russian workers seized control of their workplace and collectivized it the government would back them up and not return the property to their boss?
>>2856683>Okay so Russia's GINI index is rising according to your own image.only due to the war, and the 'rise, is not pre-war rise.
cope x3.
>>2856693>bring up GINI to prove that the KPRF are better than Western socdems>claim that Russia having a higher GINI than Western countries doesn't matter because their GINI is falling>realize it's not falling>claim that actually it doesn't matter that their GINI is rising because the war Crazy that you're accusing me of cope when by the very metric you cited the KPRF are even less effective than Western socdems ad combatting wealth inequality. Also, idk how closely you read your own pic earlier, but in the 2022-2025 column it says that Russia's GINI jumped from 0.339 to 0.442 which is a huge leap. That means it's not only growing, but growing much faster than any of the Western countries.
>>2856683Marx said that the proletariat could win the "battle of democracy" and wrest by degrees capital from the bourgeoisie"
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
>We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle of democracy.
>The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible. Lenin was absolutely a revisionist. I don't think there is anything wromg with "revisionism" but I am really fucking of you guys pretending Marx and Engels views are one and the sane as Lenin.
it's really hard to get a graps on how this war is going. is ukraine actually turning it around? people are saying they took back crimea. but also konstatinivka fell, which is supposed to be a big city and very significant because it will enable russia to advance faster? what is going on??
>>2856699>Marx said that the proletariat could win the "battle of democracy" and wrest by degrees capital from the bourgeoisie"Okay? That's just a means by which they could transform a bourgeois state into a proletarian one, that is to displace one set of class interests and supplant them for another. It doesn't mean he believed that a state can transcend class interests altogether and reconcile them. Lenin's assessment of Marx and Engels theory of the state is completely accurate:
<The State was the official representative of society as a whole; the gathering of it together into a visible embodiment. But, it was this only in so far as it was the State of that class which itself represented, for the time being, society as a whole:<in ancient times, the State of slaveowning citizens; in the Middle Ages, the feudal lords; in our own times, the bourgeoisie.<When, at last, it becomes the real representative of the whole of society, it renders itself unnecessary. As soon as there is no longer any social class to be held in subjection; as soon as class rule, and the individual struggle for existence based upon our present anarchy in production, with the collisions and excesses arising from these, are removed, nothing more remains to be repressed, and a special repressive force, a State, is no longer necessary.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/ch03.htm >>2856698>are even less effective than Western socdems ad combatting wealth inequalityholly shit are you ignoring the table that show that Russia has decreased its GINI since the 90s, while all the neolib shitholes you quoted, barely besides ireland (and canada's only because they don't have wealth growth), are increasing their inequality, and you are calling me copeing?
absolute projection. LMAO.
>>2856707>holly shit are you ignoring the table that show that Russia has decreased its GINI since the 90sSure if you ignore the part where it started rising again faster than any other country shown on your own table.
>>2856710I told you already that it doesn't rise pre-war levels.
cope x4.
>>2856712Still higher than most Western countries and rising. You're accusing me of coping but this entire conversation has been you trying to convince me that Russia having higher inequality than the West that continues to get worse doesn't count for some reason.
>>2856708ad hominem alert
>>2856712>>2856716Also the graph you posted shows that by 2024 Russia's GINI was 0.408 compared to 0.409 in 2020, so congrats to the mighty KRPF for lowering Russia's GINI score by 0.001 lmao. At this rare they'll have socialism any minute.
>>2856717copehominem.
I don't allow myself get lectured by people in which their state go parading in state institutions with such pride literal nazi criminals as heroes.
>>2856705Ok, I think you are not near as bad as the rest of the Lenin floggers, I don't disagree with the Lenin quotes you put but going back to the beginning of the convo:
>>2856653>When capitalism is in service to the stateThat is what Marx prescribed as I quoted. "Wresting by degrees" capital through the "political supremacy" of the proletariat through "the battle of democracy." He also wasn't against "incrementalism" or "reformism" when the proletariat doesn't have "political supremacy."
>>2856720Idk why you're getting so salty man. I didn't praise the West or say that Russia is bad. I just said it's a bourgeois state and that Russia's communist party hasn't proven much more capable than Western social democrats. I still think Russia is doing a lot more good than harm (especially compared to the West) and that their victory in the SMO is objectively desirable for socialists. Being pro-Russia is fine but you guys often have unrealistic views about that country.
>>2856712>worse than the Yeltsin eraEven NAFO can't make Russia look this bad lol
>>2856721>That is what Marx prescribed as I quoted.No it isn't, he's talking about the workers seizing state power and using it to dismantle capitalist relations of production, i.e. disempower the bourgeoisie, expropriate their property, and implement a planned economy.
>>2856716>Still higher than most Western countries and risingagain ignoring the decrease in one, v the continuous increase in all the others.
copex5.
>ou trying to convince me that Russia having higher inequality oh, so we do that now? we do the 'I put words on others'.
well, I say you said once that 'distributing pamphlets around your local subway in canada was one step-too close for revolution'.
who's to tell me you didn't say it?
OH FUCKING WAIT! you have no evidence I said:
having higher inequalitythe same way I don't have evidence of you saying that distributing pamphlets around your local subway in canada was one step-too close for revolution.
What I said, implicitly, is that the KPFR isn't useless as you wanna paint it, precisely because they've been fighting inequality, and it's proven, unlike your shitty examples that have continuously rising inequality.
are you stupid on purpose? English isn't my first language and I see you wanna behave like person who doesn't speak english at all.
>>2856726he is talkimg about the workers winning "political supremacy" through the dreaded "electoralism" and implementing incremental reforms. I have more quotes that will make that perfectly clear, but you might want to reconsider why you couldn't decipher the simple meaning of the text first.
>>2856728>What I said, implicitly, is that the KPFR isn't useless as you wanna paint itI didn't say they were useless, I said they were comparable to Western social democrats, but honestly based on the data you've posted here you've convinced me that they might actually be even less effective lol. Again your own graph shows that inequality in Russia today is worse than the Yeltsin era.
>>2856730was it?
>>2856730imbeciles the two of you.
>>2856726Sabo you don't get (and neither did Lenin) socialism is when The Party and the State reconcile the classes, and act in the interests of a Proletarian Volk in its civilizational struggle with the degenerate, decadent, imperialist bourgeois states.
This was all explained a hundred years ago by a prominent Italian socialist. Unfortunately his name eludes me at the moment so you'll just have to take my word on it.
>>2856733I guess Marx and Engels were fascists and Lenin was the only real Marxist.
>>2856729Reforms that do what? In the interest of whom? Against whom? The answer is reforms that eliminate capitalist relations of production, in the interests of the proletariat and against those of the bourgeoisie. Changing the class character of the state is not at all the same thing as ruling in a way that transcends class. This has very little to do with the original question of whether Marx thought that a state could transcend class interests and rule in the interests of a nation as a whole. He very obviously didn't and nothing you're posting is challenging that notion.
sabo is welcomed to the ritual of fetishized humilliation.
he went to assume things from an incomplete graph, to completely ignore it.
'salty' he calls me.
oh no, buddy, you are welcomed, to get humilliated over and over again.
next time, don't forget to present a compelling argument to also back the banderite regime, too.
>>2856736He said the proletariat should become the dominant force in the government and use this position to incrementally wrest power from the bourgeoisie legally. This is what he said. I don't care what Lenin said in that it doesn't change what Marx and Engels said.
>>2856738I mean Marx and Engels could be wrong, Lenin could be wrong, I just hate how you guys paint a false picture of what Narx abd Engels said then chastize people as revionists for espousing the same opinion as Narx and Engels. It is absolute lunacy.
>>2856731>survey figure is higher>other figures are at best 0.04 lower from the time Putin took officeYeah uh Sabo's totally humiliated here
>>2856747>0.04so, from 0.6 (around Putin rose to power, year 1999-2000) to 0.408 is now 0.04.
maths aren't mathing.
so tell me, are you up more humiliation?
>The revolutionary workers of the Latin countries had been wont to regard the suffrage as a snare, as an instrument of government trickery. It was different in Germany. The Communist Manifesto had already proclaimed the winning of universal suffrage, of democracy, as one of the first and most important tasks of the militant proletariat, and Lassalle had again taken up this point. Now that Bismarck found himself compelled to introduce this franchise as the only means of interesting the mass of the people in his plans, our workers immediately took it in earnest and sent August Bebel to the first, constituent Reichstag.
>>2856737Reminder that Sabofaggot signed up to fight in the genocidal “war on terror” was n his own volition
>>2856751Chavezanon I dunno how to tell you but compare your graph with the second. And note its probably a survey figure. Which means it's still higher than during the Yeltsin era.
It'a okay. Graphs and statistics arent't everyone's strong suit.
Fuel status?
>Remember the explosion in Monaco? Yesterday, media reports surfaced that Zelensky allegedly told Zaluzhny not to run in the presidential elections. Zelensky summoned the London ambassador, former Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Valeriy Zaluzhny, to Kiev and asked him to withdraw from the next presidential election. This was reported by the propaganda outlet "Ukrainska Pravda," citing sources close to both politicians.
>So, according to Oleg Tsarev, Vadym Yermolayev, who was blown up, was one of Valeriy Zaluzhny's sponsors. He also claimed that the explosion was a final warning to Zaluzhny before his meeting with Zelensky.
>In general, it doesn't matter who leads the Kiev Nazis; nothing will change for Russia. But the fact that Ukraine's "political" struggle is escalating into open terrorism on European soil is a warning sign. Europeans will soon suffer at the hands of Ukrainian terrorists, who will begin using their usual methods to get their way against their "allies."
>>2856760Oh now the pedo pshek wants to play too? This is almost too good
>probably
lmao, the word of pseuds with large projection in there.
>chavezanon
no idea who lives rent-free in your head.
>>2856762> So, according to Oleg Tsarev…i wouldnt trust a guy who was one of the leaders of a formation with a modified confederate flag as its symbol xd
>>2856767Would you prefer Agent Kochinski or Rachel Maddow?
>>2856764Kek. I'm in a monogamous relationship with someone older than me but okay
>being this butthurt about "your" side making a statistical gaffe you resort to calling your critics pedophiles and ethnic slursI'm glad I don't have this identitarian attachment to some 'ideology' or manichean struggle
>>2856737>he went to assume things from an incomplete graphI didn't assume anything. I simply drew your attention to what your own graph said, which is that Russia's GINI score was higher today than in 1996 while Yeltsin was president. Would you rather I don't pay any attention to the data you yourself are posting?
>next time, don't forget to present a compelling argument to also back the banderite regimeWhy would I do that? I want Russia to win.
>>2856775Ate ypu going to contradict me on the Marx, Engels vs. Lenin dichotomy?
>>2856775>I didn't assume anythinguh-huh. so here:
>but honestly based on the data you've posted here you've convinced me that they might actually be even less effective lolyou were a little bit facetious, maybe even sarcastic, and didn't meant to take assumptions and then make conclusions out of it.
nuh-uh.
boyo, you are salty today.
What’s all this filibustering? NATO expansion invariably leaves aggressive de-communisation in its wake (including injecting Neo-Fascist thought to replace Communism as popular opposition to liberalism), NATO has a slab of the Berlin Wall outside its HQ as a trophy, the US actively targets what little AES still exists in the world.
That simply can’t be compared to United Russia’s hold on Russian elections or the KPRF generally being supportive of nationalism during the aforementioned NATO expansionism. It doesn’t balance Russia as remotely equal to the US and NATO as a menace to the global cause.
>>2856772Calm down Pshekie, your people aren’t targets for genocide. Unlike the “Vatniks” who saved your sorry excuse of a nation not once, but twice. Uh oh!
>>2856777No because there is no contradiction. All you've argued is that Marx and Engels believed that it was possible to transform a bourgeois state into a proletarian state through reformist means. That's irrelevant to the original topic of discussion which is whether they believed in the possibility of a state which reconciled classes instead of being a tool for the domination of one over another. On this question Marx and Engels were in complete agreement that such a thing was impossible, and that the state is by definition a tool of class domination.
>>2856793saved us from what kacapie? steppe races have been nothing but trouble since time immemorial
https://x.com/NSTRIKE1231/status/2072395463873970668
>🇷🇺🇫🇮🇪🇪🇱🇻 By executing sudden logistical shutdowns along its western borders, Moscow is intentionally cutting transportation ties with neighboring NATO states while rapidly reinforcing military positioning in the region. Today, Russia banned any movement of people, vehicles, goods, and cargo by rail across its borders with Finland, Estonia, and Latvia.
>⚠️The restrictions apply to the following checkpoints and crossings:
>🔺 With Finland — including train routes toward Finland from Saint Petersburg, Vyborg, and Svetlogorsk, as well as Vyartsilya and Lyukhty in Karelia.
>⛔️In addition, crossings are closed at Pechory on the Estonian border and Pytalovo on the Latvian border.
>◼️ Moscow has not explained these atypical actions and has not specified when the restrictions might be lifted.
>🔹Information about the closure of border checkpoints emerged amidst Russia expanding its military infrastructure along the NATO border. According to reports, Russia is constructing new barracks, ammunition depots, and logistical facilities near the borders of Finland, Norway, and the Baltic countries, with plans to station up to 115,000 troops there in the future. The Golden Billion, Russian Style
https://maratkhairullinarticles.substack.com/p/the-golden-billion-russian-style
>The story of the end of economic ties between Europe and Russia has long become a commonplace in our country. It is conventionally believed that European and American business has lost its advantageous positions inside Russia, and that there will be no return to the old ways.
>The most common example is the automotive industry. Almost all leading Western brands (Volvo, Volkswagen, Ford, Mercedes-Benz, etc.) had factories on Russian territory. With the start of the Special Military Operation, they halted operations. And in the fifth year of hostilities, the relevant Russian government minister announced that almost 90 percent of these factories have been restarted. But now with the participation of non-Western capital — mainly Chinese. And now it will be difficult for Europeans and Americans to return to this place.
>By default, it is assumed that this situation also applies to other industries. However, not everything is so simple.
>Firstly, key Russian state companies continue to cooperate successfully with Western partners. It's simply not advertised. For example, Gazprom and Rosneft continue to work with the largest commodity traders (Glencore). The same applies to food exports, primarily grain, as well as the financial sector. For example, JPMorgan still operates in Russia and controls very significant assets.
>Secondly, there are certain industries where Russia is very much in need of Western technologies. Recently, Halliburton returned to our country. This is not widely discussed, but the Russian state oil and gas sector does not object to the presence of Americans at our fields.
>Thirdly, a number of foreign companies simply changed their signs but retained their physical presence. For example, the rebranding of the McDonald's chain was widely covered. However, in business circles, it is believed that the American company simply carried out a "cosmetic renovation," while in reality, it remained in Russia.
>The same applies to the giants Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola.
>Speaking in general terms, the Special Military Operation in Ukraine came at a very opportune time.
>For over 20 years of his rule, Vladimir Putin lured Western business into Russia by all means. And when it took root here (bringing technologies, the Western system of labor and business organization), he subjected it to such a stress test that it was forced to leave, abandoning this accumulated wealth.
>It must be understood that the Soviet system of economic management was not very effective. For example, the Soviet construction industry only knew how to, figuratively speaking, pour a lot of concrete for missile silos.
>At the beginning of his first term, Putin had to lure Turkish construction companies into Russia. Now the Russian construction sector is one of the most advanced in the world: Russia alone builds more than the entire Soviet Union once did. And it builds very high quality, having learned this from Western business.
>Accordingly, once we learned, Western business became unnecessary in Russia. Why create extra competition? And then the Special Military Operation happened very conveniently, and the strengthened Russian business began to get rid of internal competitors.
>When our country was weak and in need of Western business, we gladly invited it in. But after Russian business got on its feet, it wanted to return to its historical markets (from the time of the Russian Empire). And that includes Europe, in addition to Asia and Africa.
>No one is going to sever economic ties with Europe. It's just that previously European business entered Russia, and now Russia will increasingly move into Europe. How? This is very clearly seen in the example of present-day Armenia.
>When the pro-Western politician Nikol Pashinyan came to power, he attempted to establish control over key Armenian businesses (molybdenum and copper plants, gold mines, etc.), but it turned out that all of this belongs to Russian business. Moreover, tied to Putin's inner circle (specifically Igor Sechin — CEO of Rosneft, and Sergei Chemezov — CEO of Rostec).
>This was exposed precisely at the moment when Pashinyan attempted to establish his control over these enterprises.
>An even more illustrative example is Azerbaijan: when Ilham Aliyev attempted to openly oppose Russia, it turned out that his family's entire personal business is controlled by Russian management and is structured in such a way that without supplies from the Russian Federation and, most importantly, the Russian market, it is worthless to anyone.
>The Special Military Operation in Ukraine does not at all prevent Russia from conducting the same creeping and unpublicized expansion into Europe. And not just anywhere, but precisely into those regions of the continent that are of historical interest to us. These are, first and foremost, the Balkan Corridor — Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Slovakia, Hungary, then Greece, and in the future, Austria. Why?
>Because the so-called "warm ports" were bequeathed to us by Peter the Great. Let me remind you that this Russian sovereign took over the Moscow Tsardom and handed over to his successor the Russian Empire because he managed to "cut through" two trade routes to the outside world — the Baltic and the Caspian (through present-day Dagestan to Persia).
>Today, Russia not only dominates the Baltic but exercises absolute control there. Despite Western rhetoric, no one will be able to shake Russia's dominance there in the foreseeable future. In addition, Vladimir Putin managed to restore Peter's Caspian route. It is now called the North-South Corridor and stretches to the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas. This transport corridor is about to be completed.
>Also, the administration of President Putin managed to "cut through" a window to Asia, making not only China an important trading partner, but also all key states in the region.
>However, this does not prevent Russia from looking toward Mediterranean ports. Our country is now actively economically developing Africa.
>A direct route to our main Mediterranean partner, Algeria, would also not hurt.
>Here it must be understood that at this stage of development, Russia will strive to develop new trade routes and protect existing ones by any means.
>If, for example, any country in the Baltic attempts to block the Danish Straits, all forces will be thrown there.
>Russia is showing that it is ready to fight even for the English Channel. However, military force is not always used in this movement.
>From this perspective, the Balkan Corridor is interesting, where active spiritual expansion is underway. Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, and Greece are Orthodox countries, whose believers openly look to Moscow with hope.
>There is a conspiracy theory that a "Orthodox revolution" could occur in these countries. Even a timeframe is mentioned — as soon as the current Moscow Patriarch Kirill is replaced by a successor (in this context, the name of the well-known Russian priest Tikhon Shevkunov is mentioned). On this basis, a very strong societal shift toward Russia, as a spiritual capital, could occur in these countries.
>The first secret societies that put an end to Ottoman rule in the Balkans, liberating Greece, were founded in Russia (by Greeks who were simultaneously employees of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs). But this, as they say, is pure conspiracy theory.
>How it will actually be — time will tell.
>One thing is clear here: Russia today has absolutely no intention of severing economic ties with Europe. On the contrary, Russia is preparing to actively develop the parts of the continent that interest it (there is also Germany, but that is a separate topic).
>As for the United States, here everything is more complicated. In the highest Russian power circles, where the country's course is truly determined, the prevailing belief is that America is a very unstable country, and that years of internal upheaval await it. Therefore, it is now important to "soft-land" the United States so that the States, due to their collapse, do not harm everyone else.
>No one really thinks about what will happen next, because everyone is anxiously awaiting America's entry into a severe internal crisis. No one understands how it will begin and, even more so, how it might end — there are many scenarios, and all of them are very bad for the entire world.
>However, there are voices that say that while the United States is occupied with its crisis, it would be good to create a strong economy in South America that could balance the United States in the future. For example, in Brazil. But that is a matter of the distant future. And therefore, no one is widely discussing this topic.
>There are a number of other interesting points: Russia has launched several programs for Western immigrants, with a special focus on specialists. So far, this is a trial balloon, but there is already data that these programs will be expanded.
>Russian authorities really expect a crisis in the West and are preparing to "profit" primarily from "brain drain."
>As for the "Golden Billion," Russia's leadership, figuratively speaking, considers the indigenous population of Russia to be that. Over the years of Vladimir Putin's rule, the natural decline of Russia's indigenous population amounted to only one percent. This is an outstanding result.
>In addition, maximum conditions are being created within the country for reproduction and a prosperous, comfortable life.
>On the other hand, Putin is focused on giving our country's economy special resilience.
>If, for example, a lag is observed in some strategic segment of the national economy, all forces are thrown there — whether it concerns transport accessibility (the railway to Yakutsk) or shipbuilding (the "Zvezdochka" Ship Repair Center — the largest Russian ship repair and shipbuilding yard, located in the city of Severodvinsk, Arkhangelsk Oblast).
>Putin and his team are focused on ensuring that in the future, our country can withstand any crises, both internal and external. That is, he is creating privileged survival conditions for Russians specifically in the "turbulent" modern world. This is his vision of the "Golden Billion."
>The Russian elite of the Putin type definitely does not want to exploit its own people in the interests of the international oligarchy. As Boris Yeltsin did. They want to make Russia's prosperity irreversible. This is the "Golden Billion," Russian style.>>2856816>saved us from whatGeneralplan Ost
>>2856837soviets attacked us alongside nazis and the barbarity of soviet occupation was just as terrible as the german one
Ukrainian collapse status?
>>2856853give and take two weeks
>>2856851the government of the Soviet Union suggested that the governments of the Baltic countries conclude mutual assistance treaties between the countries.
Pressure from working people forced the governments of the Baltic countries to accept this suggestion. The pacts were then signed.
These pacts allowed the USSR to station a limited number of Red Army units in the Baltic countries.
Economic difficulties and dissatisfaction of the populace with Baltic government policies had impeded fulfilment of the pacts, and the populace revolted against the Baltic governments' political orientation towards Germany in a revolution in June 1940.
To guarantee fulfilment of the pact additional military units entered the Baltic countries, welcomed by workers, who demanded the resignations of the governments.
In June, workers demonstrated under the leadership of the Communist parties of the Baltic countries.
The fascist governments were overthrown, and workers' governments formed.
In July 1940, elections for Baltic parliaments were held.
The "Working People's Unions", created by the Communist parties, received the majority of the votes.
The parliaments adopted declarations restoring Soviet powers in Baltic countries and proclaimed the Soviet Socialist Republics. Declarations of Estonia's, Latvia's, and Lithuania's wishes to join the USSR were adopted and the Supreme Soviet of the USSR was petitioned accordingly.
The requests were approved by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR.
>>2856853russia *just* authorised the circulation of euro-3 galosine until the end of the year (it has too much sulfur in it to be safe for cars btw)
everythings according to the plan
English Outsider: Why Europe’s Provocation Of Russia Is Likely To Fail
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2026/07/english-outsider-why-europes-provocation-of-russia-is-likely-to-fail.html
<“My prognosis and I hope I’m wrong: EU will find ways to send drones/missiles into Russia until they get Russia to react in the same way. A Russian missile hitting a German factory, say, is a *good* event for Brussels. I believe they have the intention and the tools to achieve that.”<Posted by: Konami | Jul 1 2026 8:35 utc | 317
>Yes. They need some more “unprovoked Russian aggression”. Then the European populations will get behind Cold War II. We’ll have to tighten our belts to pay for it but will do so willingly given the “Russian menace”. Who cares about potholes when the enemy is in plain view?
>Can’t see it working. The Russians have too many options, military and economic. This is not 2022.
>It’s true that up until early ’22 the Russians had a range of options as well as a reply to NATO aggression. They could have used economic levers or diplomatic. Or they could just have waited it out: both the USA and Germany, the only significant players in the West, were going downhill fast and were plagued with internal problems.
>So there was no need for the SMO. No need for military action as a response to NATO aggression. Leave it a while, let Putin and Lavrov hold the fort with the diplomatic stuff, and the problem of NATO aggression would sort itself out. Except – the Kiev forces were mustering on the LoC and there were no economic or diplomatic options open to the Russians that would ward of that threat. Only direct and forceful military action would serve.
>So in 2022 we had succeeded in narrowing down the range of options open to the Russians to one. Use of overt military force. Not only had we forced the Russians to that one option of the use of military force. Once the Russians had resorted to military force a battery of sanctions could be imposed to bring them to their knees.
>But that’s not going to work again and the Western powers are foolish to expect it to. We should be aware of the reasons for that.
>First, we forget what a shock the Russian military action in 2022 was. The Russians had virtually no international diplomatic support for that military action and very many within Russian itself were appalled. It took a couple of years for that to change. Today, in 2026, if the Russians respond forcefully to the current provocations, most of the non-Western countries will know why and although they may be too scared of the West to actively support the Russians, there are none I think that will now be actively opposed. When it comes to world opinion the position is therefore quite different from the position in 2022.
>That’s important to the Russians. It’s the non-Western countries they want good trading relations with, not us. The fight for hearts and minds, the “information war”, has been comprehensively won by the West within the West. Not outside the West.
>Worth a digression here, to look at quite how comprehensively the West has won the information war as far as we Westerners are concerned. There are a few isolated bubbles of dissidence like “b’s” blog and similar blogs in the States but for most in the West, the Russians are the baddies and such opposition to fighting them as there is does not spring from any conviction the Russians are in the right. Merely from the pragmatic consideration that though we’re in the right, we’re losing.
>There is little noble moral conviction in the West behind popular opposition to the war. Merely the recognition that in fighting the Russians we’re not harming them as much as harming ourselves. Weidel or Wagenknecht do not say publicly, and dare not say, “We’re in the wrong. We should recognise that and mend fences”. They say only “We cannot afford this war and it’s harming us.”
>Though to be fair I’ve heard La Fontaine hinting at the first position. But do such as he have any traction in current German politics? You’re the expert on German politics but to this outsider, it doesn’t seem that he does. We have to recognise that the Merz/von der Leyen position is more morally consistent than Weidel’s. Given that Merz and von der Leyen assert the Russians are 100% in the wrong, what else can we do but resist the Russians with all the means we have and no matter the cost?
>That digression’s important because until we in the West do recognise that this war was forced on the Russians by us, that it’s the Russians who are in the right and we in the wrong, there is no moral basis to opposition to it. But it’s not important outside the West. As far as they’re concerned we’re a bunch of rogues and as far as they dare – though they don’t dare very much in most cases – they support the Russians in trying to hold us in check.
>That was not how they felt in 2022. So the difference between 2022 and now is that back then we were the winners in the information war. In 2026, and outside the West, we’re now the all time losers. That was how non-Western opinion was swinging well before Gaza and Iran and of course, after Gaza and Iran it’s case closed for I think all non-Western countries. We are now indisputably the baddies.
>The second consideration is the economic. In 2022, and for all but a few oddballs and dissidents, we looked to be set fair to bring Russian to it’s knees with sanctions. Don’t need any lengthy digressions to see the change there. The Russian economy still has a few wobbly bits but in general, the sanctions have enabled them to strengthen their economy to a degree unimaginable in 2022. In 2026 it’s us the sanctions war is hitting. Hard.
>Hence our attacking Russia with drones and missiles to, as you say, attempt to force a response. That’s the West’s Hail Mary. But this is not 2022. Then, the Russian options were narrowed down to one and they had no choice but to take that option. Today, they have an entire menu of options in response to NATO aggression and no need to worry about what their new trading partners think of it all. Unless we’re in the Hamish de Bretton-Gordon camp and still hope to bring Russia to it’s knees (and even that camp knows they’re punching air) all we can do is sit and wait, to see which option the Russians choose.…………………………
>My money’s not on the Karaganov option. More on what we can call here on “b’s” site the JR-L option. Ukraine is penetrated through and through with Russian Intel. It has an underground resistance just waiting for the word. Popular dissatisfaction with the Kiev regime is gathering force. And even a couple of years ago there were local regime officials wanting to mend fences with the Russians before it was too late.
>Kiev is not Berlin 1945, holding fast until the very last days in the bunker. More like Kabul 2021. If that Kabul scenario evolves much further, the West’s Hail Mary will be a damp squib. There will be no proxy territory to launch drones and missiles from.>>2856851Are you Polish? Because if you actually believe that then you're retarded. The Soviets may have maintained geopolitical hegemony over Poland but the Nazis were taking steps toward the extermination of Poles as a people.
in the exactly same way: german tried to germainze us by introduction of volsklists and kulturkampf pt 2, soviets tried to sovietize us by murdering off intelligentsia and flooding poland with eastern immigrants to get us to devolve (as a civilization and a race) into a lesser people
the latter is arguably worse as it is demeaning
>>2856863> soviets tried to sovietize us by murdering off intelligentsia killing off the middle class is in no way equal to whatever "sovietising" is lol
> and flooding poland with eastern immigrants to get us to devolve (as a civilization and a race) into a lesser peopleah right youre just a konfederacja voter xddd
>>2856864the water could have been contaminated with hitler particles so its actually in line with the intended svo goal of denazification o algo
>>2856861No they didn't. They allowed Poland to exist as a separate state. The Germans weren't even going to allow them to keep living. They had policies such as the forced abduction of Polish children to be raised in German families, forced sterilization of Poles, bans on rendering medical aid to Poles, food requisitioning with the deliberate intention of starving Poles, etc. The Soviets had no such policies. Their goals in Poland were in imposing a socialist government that would remain in the Soviet geopolitical orbit, and while they were ruthless in enforcing these goals they were a far cry from the physical extermination the Germans had already begun to implement.
>>2856863>german tried to germainze us by introduction of volsklists and kulturkampf You realize that Generalplan Ost called for the majority of Poles to be exterminated in concentration camps or worked to death right?
>>2856866i would never vote for liberals. i've lifelong involvement in trade unions and i have a full set of pennants at my parents' to prove it
>>2856863>soviets tried to sovietize us by murdering off intelligentsiasounds based tbh
>>2856871> i would never vote for liberalsi said konfederacja not koalicja xd
but yeah, you would never vote for liberals. for fascists though, it seems like a yes
> i've lifelong involvement in trade unions and i have a full set of pennants at my parents' to prove itthis doesnt matter if you, as a *supposedly* organiser is the working class cirlces, do not realise that among the working men there is only one race – the human race
>>2856876are you by any chance saying that because you yourself are a victim of the soviet racial experiment?
>>2856877konfederacj are liberals (classical sense), koalicjanci are liberals (american terms)
>the human raceit's a species not a race, one degree higher
i just happen not to be an american so i only call former liberals
>>2856845>imblying the Russian population hasn't decreased as well.the power of the baltic belt hurt dialectics in motion.
>>2856611I have to point out the Communist Party is saying the Russian government is not telling people how serious the situation actually is.
>The State Duma criticized the Russian government due to silence fuel crisis. The head of the family protection committee, Nina Ostanina, said that the authorities do not fully explain what is happening with fuel in the country.
>«Why doesn’t the responsible Deputy Prime Minister honestly say that almost a third of the refineryies are out of order, and why are neither he nor other relevant deputy prime ministers and ministers going to introduce emergency measures in this regard?» — she wrote in her telegram channel.
>The deputy believes that the authorities do not attach due importance to the problem.
>«Why are the Minister of Agriculture and the Deputy Prime Minister in charge of it silent on the eve of the harvest? After all, the country may be left without bread, which is like death under international sanctions», — said the deputy.
>Editorial MSK1.RU contacted Nina Ostanina to clarify what emergency measures she was talking about and what specific steps the government needs to take.
>In her opinion, oil refining as a strategic industry should be under state control.
>«Today our main task, of course, is — this is a special military operation zone. It is important to deliver diesel fuel there, and everything depends on private refineries — this is absolutely unlawful. Therefore, it is very important to establish full state control over oil production and oil refining», — explained in an interview with MSK1.RU.
>At the same time, according to her, it is important to understand how fuel reserves will be distributed and what priority the state has.
>«The first priority — is the zone of a special military operation, where there should be no needs, — says the head of the family protection committee. — Second — agricultural sector, harvesting has already begun. And then it’s cargo transportation, food delivery, because our prices for final products depend on this».
>According to Nina Ostanina, now officials and some regional heads are not ready to directly talk to people about fuel shortages and deny supply interruptions. People listen to such statements in queues at gas stations and stop trusting the authorities, the deputy noted.
>«We just need to talk openly with people, and everyone will understand everything," Ostanina said. — People understand that we live in special conditions. But for some reason the authorities ignore these special conditions and have closed themselves off from people. The President, of course, admits that there is a problem, but, in the end, there are performers. Those that should offer a concrete action plan today».https://14.ru/text/politics/2026/07/03/76512450/ >>2856601What did they explode there?
Ukrainians dared to attack Russian oil infrastructure and then act surprised when they get hit in return.
>>2856845It's mostly nationalist nonsense rewriting of nationalities ala what Ukraine did, people who previously identified as Russians starting to writethemselves off as non-Russians. Plus Baltics have non-citizen discriminatory laws, so Russins there might be living there but don't show up in censuses. Fact of the matter, Russian Orthodox churches are expanding there, last 10 years they increased by a factor of 2.
Besides, imagine claiming that your country is now better off now that it's smaller in population size LMAO
>>2857009According to the Ukranians it was a parking lot. Completely empty except for the 100 black and trans babies that also happened to be orphans. The heartless Putler knew what he was doing.
>>2857011Well, they did gloat about causing an "oil rain" on Moscow, so - karma?
>>2857010>Plus Baltics have non-citizen discriminatory laws, so Russins there might be living there but don't show up in censuses.the point of a census is to report the population whether you like them or not. you've got a point russians might be pretending to be locals just like jews often do but i suspect a lot of them simply returned to where they belong or even immigrated further on into europe like other thirdies that set foot in eastern eu often do
>Besides, imagine claiming that your country is now better off now that it's smaller in population size LMAOwhat if it is tho?
>>2857009note from the Russian Defense Ministry:
>A strike has been carried out on the largest transport hub and a warehouse in the suburbs of the Ukrainian capital in the Chaika district.
>In the north of Kyev, a fire is raging in an industrial zone, where the Euroformat machine-building plant and the Euroterminal logistics warehouse are located.
>The airfield and logistics infrastructure in the Kyev region, where weapons from Western countries were delivered in recent days (engines and electronics for the production of missiles and long-range UAVs, missiles for the Patriot air defense system), have been hit.
>Preliminarily, a military-industrial complex enterprise has been hit - the Kyev Central Design Bureau machine-building plant.
>A strike has been carried out on the territory of an enterprise in Kyev in the Kurenevka district, where longer-range UAVs were produced.
>A major oil product storage facility is on fire in Kyev
>Reports of fires at industrial facilities and refineries are being received.
>Explosions have been heard in Sumy, Krivoy Rog, as well as in the Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, Chernigov, Kharkov, and Nikolaev regions.
>At this moment, smoke is rising on the right bank of Kyev. >>2856938What does placing them under state control achieve?
>>2857070Why did he take this picture?
>>2857092because chuds belive its a alpha chad move to take a shit while the door is open. it showes dominance.
>>2856652>in service>natural>full confidence>muh 0.2%I hate libs
>The US has officially warned Poland that Russia may stage a limited military provocation on its territory within months to test NATOs response. Possible actions include missile/drone strikes on infrastructure, cyber/hybrid attacks, or a small disguised incursion from Kaliningrad or Belarus. The goal: pressure the West to cut aid to Ukraine without triggering full NATO-Russia war.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/07/03/russia-planning-attack-on-poland-test-nato-resolve-us-warns/soon getting soon
>>2857169lets fucking go!
Nothing will happen, Cucktin will never do anything to hurt the spirit of anchorage >>2857194Based Russia, attacking literally gas stations for attacks on refineries.
geg
>>2857197Creating queues at petrol stations vs blowing them the fuck up entirely? I’m not sure Sun Tzu covers that one.
>>2857197What's the problem? I was told by the resident nafotards and the gay, polish sex tourist that Ukranians love seeing gas station queues.
>>2857197They'd attack refineries if Ukraine had any left. Ukraine buys its fuel from Hungary and Slovakia, who refine it from Russian oil.
>>2857417Maybe hungary and slovakia can sell benzin to russians if you ask them nicely?
>>2857453
Now show life expectancy for 1950s between USSR and USA, lmao. It's a well known fact that USSR's life expectancy was higher than in the West throughout 1940-50s, which prompted them into denial and history rewriting
wow, anti-communist propaganda to mock Putin?
who coulda thought that.
>>2857194interesting they are all salty about that.
>>2857197as others replied to you, ukraine first rendered most of its refineries useless before the 2022, and the only one working, the Kremenchug was k-alibrated into oblivion after 2022.
with various swarms of drones ukies won't be able to brag about hitting refineries.
in fact, one of the first things Russia did in 2022 was knocking out the Kremenchug refinery. and after that, multiple times has been attacked again to stop any repair process, in 2023, and 2025.
>>2857169this is not totally a made up shit, to put poland in line for this:
>>2856905 >>2857471>today>remindboy, you have been here itt since 2022.
more like,
>'I am once again back to this thread to be publicly humiliated, because people will think I am smartsy for posting a 1993 note, but in fact, people with critical thinking will humiliate me and I love it'. >>2857478No, you see, everything bad the enemies of nato like Russia, Putin, or Hamas have done, that's forever. But all the nazi shit that friends of nato are currently doing, that doesn't matter because the people they're bombing are ontologically evil because of that shit they said or did once upon a time.
>>2857611>The last Ukrainian defensive lineAhhahaaha ahahahha I have heard this again lol
>>2857622You don't get, once Kramatorsk falls Ukrainian victory points will fall under the surrender limit and they'll be automatically forced to capitulate.
I'm normally completely pro-Ukraine but Germany has to punish them for blowing up Nordstream. You don't want to end up like the US and Israel where the beneficiary can abuse the benefactor however they want and the benefactor just takes it like a complete cuck.
>idc
>full zionist page.
opinion discarded.
When the pedophiles more actively sweep, constantly vigilant to hide their crimes, then we become more active in attack, whittling away at the pedophile energy morale and overall cognitive. The more active defense of the pedophiles, the more successful our psychologic operation. The less active they are, the easier exposing them is. Win-win tactic is assured against these rotten pedophiles. PLA texbook asymmetric psychological warfare assure success against these no life pedophiles. The more these pedophiles try to defend themselves of their proven crimes, the bigger grave they dig. Give up now, pedophiles. Arent you tired? What do you fight for, aside your pedophile imperialist epstein sickness? Give up, pedophiles. Repent for your crimes against humanity.
BANNED WITHIN THE MINUTE, THE PEDOPHILES ARE PUTTING IN ANOTHER 8 16 HOUR SHIFT, ON FRIDAY NO LESS xD. YOU SAD EPSTEIN FUCKS
You child porn loving moderator. Imperialist epstein aristocrat devils who do notjing but but spend 12 hours average a day defend their child porn. All good people, all good things are on my side against you imperialist pedophile devils. you pedophile imperialist aristocrats are therefore doomed. You fight for child porn, I fight for what is right. No matter how sad and retarded the user base is by your pedophillic no-life ban cudgel, You will always be wrong because youre pedophiles and racist and imperialist, like epstein.
Give up, pedophiles, You know youre wrong. You lie to people constantly, but youre pedophiles and I have the proof. I have the leftypol-getchan moffin files
https://getchan.net/GET/res/1011+50.html#1011Youre all a bunch of marxless pedophile epsteins. Karmelo anthony did nothing wrong but youre all here defending the leftypol epstein child porn connection.
>>2850007Pay no mind to this retarded libsoc Agent Kochinskiite ziocom pedophile nor their lies, because he is totally wrong. This pedophile expends untold energy in 8 or 16 hour shifts, checking IP of every post waiting for me all day, banning me within the minute of posting, a post innocous and mere general consciousness shared by the board against the all combined braincells of the pedophile libsoc DSA namefags, all to hide the evidence of their affiliation to pedophile GETchan
https://getchan.net/GET/res/1011+50.html#1011I copy and paste whenever i feel like it, stressing the absolute shit out of that pedophile. My energy expenditure is 1/60 to 1/100 of all the ziomodcel pedophiles, therefore our success is certain. The pedophile feels this and knows this, making this post seeking validation from the board. Its hard to get validation when you seek it after spending so many hours defending horrible things like pedophillia, so again operational victory is certain.
Leftypol condones pedophillia and ziosocialism. Leftypol hates iran. Leftypol hate black people. Leftypol is KKK
https://getchan.net/GET/res/1011+50.html#1011https://getchan.net/GET/res/1011+50.html#1011https://getchan.net/GET/res/1011+50.html#1011Give up, modcels. Think of all the life youre wasting patrolling for my posts, as i relax and spend only a handful of seconds to copy paste. Your continued psychological damage and physical toll is assured, so just give up now. You epstein devil modcels can only further destroy website quality and repeat these mistakes by continuing, so just give up. Begin by apologizing for hosting child pornography ([GET] link at top of page) and remove it.
One time a mod banned me 4 weeks because i reported a child porn "shota" thread in siberia with title "Boyloving thread."
Modcels are zionist pedophile DSA dick rider dem.cel Getchan loliboard hosting 4chaners. No life epstein moderators wait all day to ban me within 1 minute of posting basic and advanced scientific socialism. I make a post before bed and get banned within one minute. I wake up and work 10 hours and post and get banned within one minute. I sleep 8 hours and wake up and post and get banned within one minute.
The [GET] link at top of website goes to getchan which hosts child pornography. The moderators are epstein bloodsucker. Moffin is getchan pedo. Wobbly is a getchan pedo. Pasquale is a getchan pedo. Some others as well, but all are culpabile as the moderators hide names in ban logs to shirk responsibillity for their crimes while policing board for 8 16 hours a day.
The ban log indicates 155900 bans conducted over a handful of years by about six or so epstein mod incels.
Modcels cannot retort to this, only spend another 16 hours of their worthless lives deleting scientific socialism and the evidence of their epsteinism
>>2849963You are DSA ziosoc pedophile loser. You are israeli. You are epstein.
>>2849995Youre a libsoc pedophile too, like every namefag still here. You protected by pedophiles, you epstein imperialist veteran wheelchair
>>2849357>Something I don't think goes really acknowledged about the DSA and the issues with Social Democracy is that it doesn't exist in the same milieu that Social Democracy within 20th Century Europe did.Both arose from imperialism and both suffer from the same problems. Your wall of cope against that fact doesnt change it.
>>2850011>improve the pedophile website>terrible 57 postsIf sincere, all your efforts are for nothing. Youre protected namefag status already proves youre just getting along with ziopedophiles, your fake counter tendancy to the most open and craven ziolibsoc imperialists is really you colluding with them to try to make dick riding cool here again.
>>2850630>>2850632You seem to think im here to reason with you pedophile ziolibsoc epstein dem.cel imperialist firstworld childporn loving crackers, to reform your sick minds. You are wrong. You talk of shame but You cow to pedophiles. You're all epstein. Karmelo anthony did nothing wrong
>>2851231>Republicans are no longer the party of LincolnDemocrats are no longer the party of Jackson DSA is no longer the party of Harrington
Wrong. You assert these things blindly, but i can disprove them in one second. Everyone D$$A has ever elected is a zionist. You are a zionist. You are epstein. D$$a is party of epstein democrat party. Democrat party is party of zionism. D$$a is epstein ziosoc.
>>2851257Put your mod tag back on, pedophile. You are a moffin. You sick pedophiles act like im the obsessed one. Youre the obsessed modcel ziosoc, spending 60x more time (12 hours a day deleting these same posts within the minute, accruing 160 thousand bans over handful of years by 6 or so no life modcel DSA) than i spend fighting you defending your childporn getchan moffin ziosocialist dem.cel connection. You imperialist pedophile epsteins deserve jail cell like that military veteran wheelchair zinetard pedophile DSA houdini
>>2851262I dont pay for shit lol. You know this, you dumbass lying pedo. You make this post fishing for validation, but you hard to find it because you are pedo ziocom moffin. Release the mod logs and post history you keep on me and show people the truth, if im really so bad, you lying pedophile fuck.
>>2851267I am the help. You are the sickness. You pedophile fucks
>>2851269Theyre pedophile imperialists. Youre fine with that. This is holy war, good against evil, people against imperialism, all good things against the imperialist pedophiles, and you are epstein DSA who fears the man with scientific outlook and morality
>>2851298>We must be uncompromising with our goals, but we must also not discard a useful tool simply because it is not perfect. The DSA as it stands can potentially be a great asset to communism, enough Marxists joining it and pushing things left will eliminate the remnants of Harringtonite reformismWrong. You DSA pedophiles have been saying this for 50 years, as babies are bombed and you consume child pornography, you sick DSA epstein fuck.
You infantiles must learn this today: PLA military science textbook say, "A strategy without means is no strategy at all, only self-delusion." Your post doesnt resemble a strategy of course, yet this rule applies fully. Your lofty words have no means backing them and are blind to material conditions, serving only as a pretext for ziosocialism and dickriding.
Haz was totally right and I have the proof. Leftypol is pedophile imperialist epstein. Call me Third worlist as slur? Call me stupid? Call me the troll? Better to be all those things than you, YOU PEDOPHILE labor aristocratic FUCKS. Better to be all those things than a soft handed and minded dick rider baby blood drinking pedophile. Call me the fed, you delusional pedophile DSA babyblood drinking epstein dem.cel ziosoc colonizer child porn hosting labor aristocratic Cpusa anon protecting karmelo anthony hating imperialist devils.
>>2851303You are pedophile imperialist. You drink baby blood. You call iran a theocracy. You dick rider
You say bernie lost because of blacks. You say white men have no space in leftist spaces. You love sorel. You rlove mosely. You had to pay a real man to change your car battery. You cannot even change a lightbulb.
You say shoveling snow and freezing rents at unaffordable prices is socialism, but youre KKK ziocom moron. Nazi regime formally froze all residential rents nationwide December 1, 1936, as part of Adolf Hitler's Four-Year Plan. You are zionist. You supported the KKK throwing karmelo anthony into the rain and said he deserved prison for defending himself. Everything you say is moronic, you weird retarded unc. These pedophiles keep you around and protect you for reason. Just die you sad old retarded bitch
You henceproven literal no life pedophiles call me "illiterate" as if argument need be wasted on you devil pedophile zio baby blood drinkers. You pedo baby blood drinkers should do a leftypol meetup IRL. But Keep spending 16 hours a day banning the evidence within the minute. Proven by ban logs. 160,000 bans in less than 6 years by 6 no life pedophile ziosocialist. The only thing worse than zionist or imperialist is a pedophile, which you literal morons are all three. The Chairman was 100 percent right. The Chairman builds The Party while you racist pedophile blood suckers cant even meet IR because everyone knows what you are. "lefty"pol funded by Epstein and youre all pedophiles. The Chairman was right and youre all wrong because youre dsa loving pedophiles. In death there is nothing to see but marx, and you will answer to stalin and mao for your pedophillia and deviations
It doesnt matter how stupid i am as a person. Even if i couldnt write or count change, im still more correct than you pedophiles. . I fight for what is right, and youre hence proven as epstein. Youre bourgeois labor aristocrat dsa dick rider. You can only be wrong, as youve always been.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/condition-working-class/ch07.htmEngels said, “The English workingman who can scarcely read and still less write, nevertheless, knows very well where his own interest and that of the nation lies. He knows, too, what the especial interest of the bourgeoisie is, and what he has to expect of that bourgeoisie. If he cannot write he can speak, and speak in public; if he has no Arithmetic, he can, nevertheless, reckon with the Political Economists enough to see through a Corn Law repealing bourgeois, and to get the better of him in argument; if celestial matters remain very mixed for bim in spite of all the effort of the preachers, he sees all the more clearly into terrestrial, political and social questions.
If the english workingmen can outwit the bourgeoisie in argument, then what about you DSA CPUSA pedophile liberals ziocom? You pedophiles cannot argue about science, proven by the low quality and 160 thousand bans by 6 moderators in less than 6 years. You pedophiles can insult all you want, typical because you really are demoral parasitic pedophile epstein labor aristocrat and KKK racist uncs, and US military veterans😂. You pedophile imperialists have greatest hubris, for one doesnt need to be able to write to daily outwit you pedophiles, as ive always done.
You all a bunch of pedophiles
>>2857636With so many crimes that it's actually committed why does Ukraine need to be punished for something it didn't do
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