/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>inb4 the nafooid comes to ask for more humiliation.
if trading grain makes a state zionist, then I guess the existing state of Palestine is zionist, too.

new record of Russian aerial bombs used in the borderlands.
276 bombs per day on average in June, 10% more of that any previous average, and months.
These are all:
>FAB with UMPK, UMPB, KAB, ODAP, etc.

Petrol status?

Russian arms giant showcases pioneering anti-drone rounds (VIDEO)

https://swentr.site/russia/642536-anti-drone-rounds-rostec/

>>2857754
Not looking good chief

in Europe, you go to jail if you share RT videos in your website:

Here's your anti imperialism bro

>>2857998
4th pic not true, though. Sentencing was vastly different. It's like those gulag victims who claimed that they were sentenced for jokes about Stalin, but in reality sentence was entirely different

>You don't get, once Kramatorsk falls Ukrainian victory points will fall under the surrender limit and they'll be automatically forced to capitulate.
Yes, being pushed out of the region you’re contesting generally means you’re forced to capitulate in that contest.

Is this just your particular gimmick not-grillpill, openly not understanding anything and not knowing shit is cool because, erm, no one cares anyway?

Like just a reminder for everyone, not-grillpill doesn’t understand what a statue is.

>>2857998
Israel has right to defend itself, but independent Palestine must be created — Putin

<"The negotiations’ goal should be the implementation of the United Nations' two-state formula, which implies the creation of an independent Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital," the Russian leader stated

https://tass.com/politics/1689939

>BISHKEK, October 11. /TASS/. Israel has been brutally attacked, but a settlement will be possible only through the establishment of an independent Palestine with East Jerusalem as its capital, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at the CIS summit.

>Russia proceeds "from the postulate a negotiated solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has no alternatives."

>"The negotiations’ goal should be the implementation of the United Nations' two-state formula, which implies the creation of an independent Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital, coexisting in peace and security with Israel, which, of course, as we have seen, has come under an attack of unprecedented brutality. Of course, it has the right to defend itself. It has the right to ensure its peaceful existence," Putin said, stressing that "it is crucial to work for resolving this issue by peaceful means."

>"The way I see it, in a situation like this and in this particular place, there is simply no alternative [to two independent states]," he concluded.

Nuance, the faggiest bullshit of all.

Anyway, in other news, Germany has formally charged a Ukrainian for the Nordstream attack and claimed he was an officer in the Ukrainian military not some random Ukrainian ultranationalist.

Chances are that’s complete bollocks and it was the US carrying out their threat that Nordstream 2 will be taken away from Germany and Russia, but in any case it represents another correct prediction. That being Orban wasn’t the sole check on Ukraine’s influence within the EU via Von Der Leyen. Now that Orban is gone, all of a sudden Germany is pressing charges with Nordstream, the Poles are no longer ignoring the fact their neighbour promotes the historical genocide of Poles, I’m pretty sure Bulgaria’s leader said no more weapons for Ukraine, etc.

Obviously none of Ukraine’s transgressions warrant all support being cut, Poland will still send financial givas to people who want to genocide them (they’re stronk and independent, you see), but without Orban’s “unreasonable” opposition to ever escalating support for Ukraine, we’re now seeing “reasonable” opposition to Ukraine’s status as Europe’s best ally.

New doxxing, this time it’s Big Serge. He’s taken it well while TUA Research and their audience seem to be assuring each other that Serge’s family and friends aren’t already aware of his political opinions and that he’ll be fired from his government job in Idaho for his political opinions.

Other than just mocking people’s appearances, has doxxing actually achieved anything yet? Even with Vatnik Soup being outed as both a serial internet grifter and concentration camp masturbater, the effect on his character amongst both fans and enemies alike was nil.

It seems that this doxxing business depends on having your head so far up your own arse, you assume everyone is ready to lynch your detractors on your behalf and all that’s preventing that is ignorance of who your detractors actually are.

How many nothingburgers until they get tired of exposing themselves to the fact that while most in the west broadly abide by the narrative that Russia’s invasion is illegal and unprovoked, NAFOism is still extremely niche and while Ukraine gets to break the law all the time out of pity, I don’t think employers get to break the law in firing people for political opinions because some people online religiously spell it RuZZia and Putler.

>>2858093
>I don’t think employers get to break the law in firing people for political opinions
I think he'll probably be okay because he works for the state of Idaho. It's different with public agencies, because private employers can fire people in the U.S. for their political opinions. I don't think it's good, we should have laws protecting people from employment discrimination regarding their political opinions (especially because of social media now, and you get doxxed and then fired because you were posting memes), but that has never really been a thing here for private firms because the U.S. is historically very arch-liberal about that. But like I said he works for a state agency. I don't think he should be fired. And also, I wouldn't want to be fired for my opinions.

>Other than just mocking people’s appearances, has doxxing actually achieved anything yet?
Idk. The main thing it seems to do is contrast the socially-constructed image that people create on the internet with their real life. This guy is posting about how he roots for the Harkonnens because they're really aesthetic and have high-T levels, and how he's a huge dude named Sergei who lifts weights, but he's actually a nerdy economist named Sam. It's fine to just be Sam. But everyone doing this is kind of like this. Will he lose any followers? Probably not, unless someone really believed the image and will be like "what? You mean he's not bigger than the Count Rabban??? I've been lied to!" But his followers are all kind of like him too, so I don't know if it matters. But it also goes back to the Pope avatar who lives in Ukraine and posts in this thread about the contrast between the epic valor that people think they're getting out of this war and the reality of it.

I never followed this guy, but IO read that he was tied up in "dissident right" stuff. This wasn't new information, he published under his Big Serge name for a magazine called IM-1776 and another one called Man's World. The editor of IM-1776 is a huge Marinetti fag and admires 1930s Italian architecture according to a quick scroll of his feed. Be evil! Well, okay, but in the U.S., these are your friends.

>>2858010
Point is the war is not going to magically end the moment Kramatorsk falls. Why would it? The Donbas isn't important for the continued supply of weapons and manpower to the AFU. The reverse would be true too. If the AFU tomorrow take Donetsk, would Putin be forced to surrender?
>>2858053
I don't feel the American angle makes sense, because gas kept flowing through Ukraine. I think a more sensible motive is that back in 2022 Bankova wanted to ensure continued access to transit fees and more importantly make themselves indispensable vis a vis Europe.

>>2858113
I’m not much of a follower of his either and yeah I’ve come to accept that outside of this thread, most pro-Russian support is part and parcel with the alt-right (albeit not always for wholly incorrect reasons, often it is just Muh Church Goers, but sometimes it takes the form of questioning whether it’s the west’s responsibility to police the world, which is a naïve take but still..). That being said, people are entitled to present personas online that don’t align with their reality, arguably the internet was a better place when it wasn’t just an extension of reality that demands you upload your entire life to it.

I recall that the original purpose of doxxings was to prove that Russia was pervasive throughout Western MSM and Politics via paid for agents. That presumably reached the obvious conclusion of not finding any pictures of targets being slipped a fat envelope by a guy in an Ushanka, but instead resulting in threats of lawsuits and cease and desist letters.

Since then it has just been getting a look at the Xitter posters behind the anonymity and acting surprised that terminally online people look pretty much as you’d expect. In practice that’s the case anyway, in theory they seem to expect that by being associated with anti-Ukrainian sentiment their Mummy is going to disown them and their friends are going to WhatsApp them “Slava Ukraini” and then block their number, which is just hog wild to expect if you’ve ever had a family or real friends.

Occasionally they get doxxed back, but it’s wholly unsatisfying because NAFO and OSINT accounts are very much on the Ukrainian side because it’s the “correct” side and are therefore exceedingly pleased for the opportunity to self-promote, so much so they’re often found just posting their real identities with some meme shirt anyway on when they’re realising they’re not notable enough to be doxxed.

That being said, even in countries where your right to have a political opinion usually stops at the point of advocating violence. It’s all fun and games for NAFO at the moment during the zeitgeist of Ukraine and its supporters being infallible, but eventually I reckon they’re no longer going to want their faces associated with years of posting gore and asking for more, memifying death as getting “bonked” and shit.

>>2858122
Nothing in war “magically” ends it. That’s such an obviously flawed yardstick for whether victories are worth it, that again like with you not understanding what a statue is, I can only assume you’re being completely sincere in your lack of understanding.

Rather than explain the importance of Kramatorsk, I’ll let Ukrainian media explain it for you, naturally there’s plenty of pro-Ukrainian cushioning in there so perhaps you’ll watch it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TDtOoPc8rHA

>>2858129
Kinda lost sense of grammar at the end there, phoneposting is a terrible affliction.

>That being said, even in countries where you do have the right to a political opinion, that usually stops at the point of advocating and glorifying violence.

>>2858045
So this is anti imperialism with zizter characteristics

>>2858191
You don't understand it's a very nuanced genocide apologia

>>2858045
oh, he doesn't care about nuancing.
he's an anticommunist. if reality is Marxist (paraphrasing Che) what does it make of him when he rejects reality but an anti-Marxist, and by extension anti-Communist?
I bet every time he appeals a ban he tells mods 'ywnbaw' or some /pol/ tier screeching.

>>2858191
>>2858194
the only state on earth that asks a One-State solution that is Palestine is Iran.
now, is Iran neoliberal?

>>2858303
I am making the question because I know who's behind most of the troll arguments in /lpol/
uses always the same insane rhetoric.
no one is good enough to counter us regime hegemony. no one. and from there, he bases his disruptive behavior. it's always the same.

>>2858303
Yes

>Yes
the same insane troll couldn't contain himself.

polelols, be aware, the ukies will be doing a false flag. you will rally for bandera if you are not careful enough.

>>2858303
100%

the Iranian thread proved Iran isn't neoliberal, but oh well.
anti-communist right wingers pretending to be leftists can't into actual macro-economic arguments.

>>2858340
No actually Iran is worse than liberal as a religious theocracy.

>A network of pseudo-crypto exchanges has been uncovered in Ukraine, the organizers of which defrauded Ukrainians across the country.

>The scheme was disguised as a legitimate business with websites, exchange offices, and technical support.

>Over 20 million hryvnias in cash were seized.

>The criminals' victims even included police officers, who were robbed of 50,000 hryvnias during a test purchase.

hmmm.. I wonder if they had any connection with sam bankman-fried.

lmao, ukrainians are angry that monaco is stating that this woman is actually ukrainian.

>>2857655
Its a ganja war, them boyz tryna see what hood be puffing up the thickest comanche-ass indian smoke signal out here 💨🚬😤🔥🔥🔥🔥

>>2858129
>Occasionally they get doxxed back, but it’s wholly unsatisfying because NAFO and OSINT accounts are very much on the Ukrainian side because it’s the “correct” side and are therefore exceedingly pleased for the opportunity to self-promote, so much so they’re often found just posting their real identities with some meme shirt anyway on when they’re realising they’re not notable enough to be doxxed.
The other thing is that one of the biggest threats to "free speech" happens at a social level. That is in civil society. It's like getting drowned out / shouted down, the equivalent of getting downvoted on Reddit basically, and you just get buried so your comment is hidden. And these NAFO people identify with civil society, they don't see themselves outside of it, and they try to leverage that position to squash people. To whatever extent you can get in trouble with the police in Russia for taking a pro-Ukrainian position, I suspect a large number of people will also call you a traitor if you did that, and that has an effect. And then it also works in a similar way in Ukraine. It's more intense in those countries because they're directly involved.

>I’m not much of a follower of his either and yeah I’ve come to accept that outside of this thread, most pro-Russian support is part and parcel with the alt-right (albeit not always for wholly incorrect reasons, often it is just Muh Church Goers, but sometimes it takes the form of questioning whether it’s the west’s responsibility to police the world, which is a naïve take but still..).
It's definitely a lot of Muh Church Going among more normie right-wingers in the U.S. in my direct experience with Russia sympathetic people on the right. I had a boomer neighbor who was like this and I got to know him a bit, kind of a funny story, he was considering converting to Orthodox Christianity. But I have to point out that Big Serge wrote articles for a magazine that has advertisements like this in it. I just scanned one of the issues, and read an article published by the Bronze Age Pervert (the editor… gee talk about gay Nazis… a lot of pics of oiled-up muscle guys too) in 2022 endorsing the invasion and his reasons were that the West is fake and gay, basically, and how it's going to somehow help us retvrn to our Hellenistic ideals or whatever. But I think it's a lot of self-help stuff dressed up in LARPing.

>>2858301
>he's an anticommunist.

Yeah, that's really all it is, commiephobia/russophobia.

>>2858010
the new grill-pill is so idiotic. he used the word 'probably' to strawman a GINI index, without even coming back with the powers of his 'highly likely I am right'. drew a conclusion out of it, then walks away as if he didn't make a boo-boo, a pee-pee-poo-poo argument.
reminds me of right wing media figures in Latin-American politics, that make disingenuous claims with flamboyant headlines in the first page, then walk away. even if they apologize, their apology never reaches to the same level of audiences and it's relegated to the last page section of their news media.
I miss the real grill pill. he was funnier in a sense that he couldn't hide for a second his anti-communism, and his love for bandero-nazism.
this new co-opting user, does the pretending much more complicated, but they all find irresistible the urge of backing up nazism and and anti-communism.

Arnaud Bertrand has chimed in with the latest cjeu move.
https://nitter.net/RnaudBertrand/status/2073404032790753492