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Glownonymous 09-07-26 15:15:08 No.2863020

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>>2862984
Stop asking me stupid questions and read the books. Have you never worked in factory? Have you never worked in field? A service worker may clean a toilet, creating no social aggregate product and therefore no surplus-value. A retail worker may swipe a card or move a box,creating no social aggregate product and therefore no surplus-value. Industrial worker, peasant, and farm worker produce all value. The boss of the factory worker turns the line up and exploits maximum surplus-value, creating material social aggregate product and also surplus-value. Productive labour defined from standpoint of the blackwater executive, in which all labour which affords a capitalist a profit is productive, à la Smith, is correct only to the blackwater executive. Productive labour defined from the standpoint of marxism is correct for the worker. You fight fight at all costs productive labour defined from the standpoint of Marxis, calling the Genius Mao an idiot. You take the standpoint of blackwater executive, of Smith, as absolute fact and not the mere definition of productive labour FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE CAPITALIST. Therefore you can only be wrong. This my final response. You just want to play pointless word games and ask stupid questions and ignore the wealth of knowledge i just gifted you

>>2862918
>>2862916
once again, you prove your ignorance of Marx. I couldnt screenshot the entire chapter, but Marx is talking about anyone who sells anything, material goods in this case, and he even simplifies this to a wage-worker who works for a merchant. Read it very slowly. You say too much dumb shit to bother correcting but I will say this to try.

Marx was critic of bourgeois political economy. What the capitalist thinker deems productive is incorrect. You restating smith and telling me blackwater mercenaries really are productive because they afford a capitalist a profit is not genius, it is moronic. What mao deems productive is correct, yet you call him the fool. The best i can do for you is refer you to passages in soviet and chinese political economic textbooks where they explicitly explain all this.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885-c2/ch06.htm

https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch15.htm
>Furthermore, part of the national income is transferred, by way of payments for, what are called services, to the non-productive branches (e.g., for use of municipal services, medical aid, places of entertainment, etc.). As already pointed out, no social product is created in these branches, nor, consequently, any national income; but the capitalists who exploit the workers employed in these branches receive part of the national income created in the branches of material production. From this income the capitalists who own businesses in the non-productive branches pay the wages of their workers, meet the material outlay which they have to find (for premises, equipment, heating, etc.) and take their profit.
>The aggregate social product, and therefore also the national income, are created by workers employed in the various branches of material production. This means all those branches in which material wealth is produced: industry, agriculture, building, transport, etc.
https://www.bannedthought.net/USA/RCP/Books/MaoistEconomics-ShanghaiTextbook-Lotta-OCR-sm.pdf
<National income is created by the laborers of the branches of material production.
before you call mao an idiot and mindlessly parrot smith as if Marx and Smith, and Smith and all Marxists, had no distinguishable between lines on productive labour, please read all these books and familiarize yourself with proletarian political economy

>>2862895
>>2862893
You're both morons. Marx was demonstrating the absurdity of bourgeois political economy, in its thinking that any banker or blackwater mercenary who affords a shareholder a profit is productive.
<Productive and unproductive labour is here throughout conceived from the standpoint of the possessor of money, from the standpoint of the capitalist, not from that of the workman; hence the nonsense written by Ganilh, etc., who have so little understanding of the matter that they raise the question whether the labour or service or function of the prostitute, flunkey, etc., brings in returns. |303||
>Smith does not deny that the servant’s labour is productive for him. Every service is productive for its seller. To swear false oaths is productive for the person who does it for cash. Forging documents is productive for anyone paid to do it. A murder is productive for a man who gets paid for doing it. The trade of sycophant, informer, toady, parasite, lickspittle, is productive for people who do not perform these “services” gratis. Hence they are “productive labourers”, producers not only of wealth but of capital. The thief, too, who pays himself—just as the law-courts and the State do —“employs his energy, uses it in a particular way, produces a result which satisfies a human need”, i.e., the need of the thief and perhaps also that of his wife and children. Consequently [he is a] productive labourer if it is merely a question of producing a “result” which satisfies a “need”, or as in the cases mentioned above, if selling his “services” is enough to make them “productive”.

You morons are upholding bourgeois economy because youre imperialist parasites who seek to justify themselves.
>All those who polemise against Adam Smith on the one hand assume a superior attitude to material production, and on the other hand they attempt to justify immaterial production—or even no production, like that of lackeys—as material production. It makes absolutely no difference whether the owner of the net revenue consumes this revenue in lackeys, mistresses or pasties. But it is ludicrous to imagine that the surplus must be consumed by servants and cannot be consumed by productive labourers themselves without the value of the product going to the devil. With Malthus too we find the same view of the necessity of unproductive consumers—which necessity in fact exists when the surplus comes into the hands of idlers.

and mao said teachers are bourgeois and retail workers are semi-proletarian, so youre both just flatly wrong.
>The petty bourgeoisie. Included in this category are the owner-peasants, [7] the master handicraftsmen, the lower levels of the intellectuals–students, primary and secondary school teachers, lower government functionaries, office clerks, small lawyers–and the small traders. Both because of its size and class character, this class deserves very close attention. The owner-peasants and the master handicraftsmen are both engaged in small-scale production. Although all strata of this class have the same petty-bourgeois economic status, they fall into three different sections. The first section consists of those who have some surplus money or grain, that is, those who, by manual or mental labour, earn more each year than they consume for their own support. Such people very much want to get rich and are devout worshipers of Marshal Chao; [8] while they have no illusions about amassing great fortunes, they invariably desire to climb up into the middle bourgeoisie. Their mouths water copiously when they see the respect in which those small moneybags are held. People of this sort are timid, afraid of government officials, and also a little afraid of the revolution. Since they are quite close to the middle bourgeoisie in economic status, they have a lot of faith in its propaganda and are suspicious of the revolution. This section is a minority among the petty bourgeoisie and constitutes its right-wing. The second section consists of those who in the main are economically self-supporting. They are quite different from the people in the first section; they also want to get rich, but Marshal Chao never lets them. In recent years, moreover, suffering from the oppression and exploitation of the imperialists, the warlords, the feudal landlords and the big comprador-bourgeoisie, they have become aware that the world is no longer what it was. They feel they cannot earn enough to live on by just putting in as much work as before. To make both ends meet they have to work longer hours, get up earlier, leave off later, and be doubly careful at their work. They become rather abusive, denouncing the foreigners as "foreign devils", the warlords as "robber generals" and the local tyrants and evil gentry as "the heartless rich". As for the movement against the imperialists and the warlords, they merely doubt whether it can succeed (on the ground that the foreigners and the warlords seem so powerful), hesitate to join it and prefer to be neutral, but they never oppose the revolution. This section is very numerous, making up about one-half of the petty bourgeoisie.

>The semi-proletariat. What is here called the semi-proletariat consists of five categories: (1) the overwhelming majority of the semi-owner peasants, [10] (2) the poor peasants, (3) the small handicraftsmen, (4) the shop assistants [11] and (5) the pedlars. The overwhelming majority of the semi-owner peasants together with the poor peasants constitute a very large part of the rural masses. The peasant problem is essentially their problem. The semi-owner peasants, the poor peasants and the small handicraftsmen are engaged in production on a still smaller scale than the owner-peasants and the master handicraftsmen. Although both the overwhelming majority of the semi-owner peasants and the poor peasants belong to the semi-proletariat, they may be further divided into three smaller categories, upper, middle and lower, according to their economic condition. The semi-owner peasants are worse off than the owner-peasants because every year they are short of about half the food they need, and have to make up this deficit by renting land from others, selling part of their labour power, or engaging in petty trading. In late spring and early summer when the crop is still in the blade and the old stock is consumed, they borrow at exorbitant rates of interest and buy grain at high prices; their plight is naturally harder than that of the owner-peasants who need no help from others, but they are better off than the poor peasants. For the poor peasants own no land, and receive only half the harvest or even less for their year's toil, while the semi-owner peasants, though receiving only half or less than half the harvest of land rented from others, can keep the entire crop from the land they own. The semi-owner peasants are therefore more revolutionary than the owner-peasants, but less revolutionary than the poor peasants. The poor peasants are tenant-peasants who are exploited by the landlords. They may again be divided into two categories according to their economic status. One category has comparatively adequate farm implements and some funds. Such peasants may retain half the product of their year's toil. To make up their deficit they cultivate side crops, catch fish or shrimps, raise poultry or pigs, or sell part of their labour power, and thus eke out a living, hoping in the midst of hardship and destitution to tide over the year. Thus their life is harder than that of the semi-owner peasants, but they are better off than the other category of poor peasants. They are more revolutionary than the semi-owner peasants, but less revolutionary than the other category of poor peasants. As for the latter, they have neither adequate farm implements nor funds nor enough manure, their crops are poor, and, with little left after paying rent, they have even greater need to sell part of their labour power. In hard times they piteously beg help from relatives and friends, borrowing a few tou or sheng of grain to last them a few days, and their debts pile up like loads on the backs of oxen. They are the worst off among the peasants and are highly receptive to revolutionary propaganda. The small handicraftsmen are called semi-proletarians because, though they own some simple means of production and moreover are self-employed, they too are often forced to sell part of their labour power and are somewhat similar to the poor peasants in economic status. They feel the constant pinch of poverty and dread of unemployment, because of heavy family burdens and the gap between their earnings and the cost of living; in this respect too they largely resemble the poor peasants. The shop assistants are employees of shops and stores, supporting their families on meagre pay and getting an increase perhaps only once in several years while prices rise every year. If by chance you get into intimate conversation with them, they invariably pour out their endless grievances. Roughly the same in status as the poor peasants and the small handicraftsmen, they are highly receptive to revolutionary propaganda. The pedlars, whether they carry their wares around on a pole or set up stalls along the street, have tiny funds and very small earnings, and do not make enough to feed and clothe themselves. Their status is roughly the same as that of the poor peasants, and like the poor peasants they need a revolution to change the existing state of affairs.

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:15:59 No.2863021

~~>>2863016~~
Stocking shelves and transport is part of the production process

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:16:22 No.2863022

all this moralistic rambling about how teachers and doctors are "parasites" when really what you should say is that if everyone in society were put into productive labor according to a central plan, and productive processes automated to the maximum extent possible, the socially necessary labor time of all commodities would drop precipitously, thereby reducing working hours to a minimum for all people, freeing them from bondage, and creating more than enough for everyone.

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:16:26 No.2863023

How is a public school teacher bourgeois?

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:17:46 No.2863024

>>2863023
i think he's arguing that their labor is unproductive. the part he is leaving out is that unproductive labor is just a neutral term for whether your labor produces surplus value (profit) for a capitalist, not a term for whether you are useful to society.

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:18:40 No.2863026

Not all productive labor is necessary or good, and there is completely necessary non productive labor. See how long your society lasts without mechanics and janitors, you won’t like it.

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:19:01 No.2863027

>>2863024
>>2863024

a very simple example btw: Lenin giving a speech from a balcony to thousands of gathered workers, soldiers, sailors, and peasants, is not Lenin engaging in productive labor, but it is useful to society in that it raises the class consciousness of the workers.

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:19:51 No.2863028

dead economist + people who don't know what they're talking about, who usually haven't done more than skim the economist in question, but have lots of petty resentments = some of the most insane babble about society you'll ever hear

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:20:14 No.2863029

>>2863026
>Not all productive labor is necessary or good
(for example: making bombs that get shipped to the IDF)

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:21:12 No.2863030

Working in the dildo factory feeling smug because at least I’m not a parasite like doctors or mechanics

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:22:17 No.2863031

>>2863030
lmfao

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:24:54 No.2863033

>>2863030
I need peanut butter to rub on my deal dough wiggle goose goose deal dough where is my deal dough

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:25:54 No.2863035

the elementary school teacher cartel = scumbag leeches on society
workers putting together F-35 fighter jets = real proles

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:27:10 No.2863036

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>>2863033
fuuuuuuuuuuuuug

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:27:54 No.2863037

>>2863035
teachers? more like treatchlers

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:28:58 No.2863038

this is just black hammer’s politics but without the reference to race

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:32:51 No.2863039

>>2863020
>Stop asking me stupid questions and read the books
I have, which I why I know you're wrong. Marx specifically says that the resulting use values coming from the sold labour power are irrelevant. What matters is whether surplus value is being extracted. I'm asking these questions because they are being begged by your proposition. If a retail worker and factory worker are not members of the same class, then you should be able to explain how and why their class positions and interests are different, especially vis a vis the capitalist system in general and their employers specifically.
>Have you never worked in factory?
Yes, I've worked in several steel mills and processing plants.
>A service worker may clean a toilet, creating no social aggregate product and therefore no surplus-value
If they are an employee of a cleaning service then they are creating surplus value. Their service is commodified and therefore a product, and Marx specifically says that the relationship is the same whether the product being sold is a physical commodity or a commodified service. They sell their labour power to the capitalist, that capitalist then uses the labour power to provide a service to a customer in exchange for money. The cleaner then receives a fraction of that revenue as wages, the rest becomes surplus value for their employer.
>Productive labour defined from standpoint of the blackwater executive, in which all labour which affords a capitalist a profit is productive, à la Smith, is correct only to the blackwater executive
Marx openly says Smith is right about this and calls it "one of his greatest scientific merits".
<Productive labour is here defined from the standpoint of capitalist production, and Adam Smith here got to the very heart of the matter, hit the nail on the head. This is one of his greatest scientific merits (as Malthus rightly observed, this critical differentiation between productive and unproductive labour remains the basis of all bourgeois political economy) that he defines productive labour as labour which is directly exchanged with capital; that is, he defines it by the exchange through which the conditions of production of labour, and value in general, whether money or commodity, are first transformed into capital (and labour into wage-labour in its scientific meaning).
In other words, labour is productive when it is capable of being transformed into capital. Continuing with the toilet cleaner example, a personal maid hired by a rich family to clean their house is not a productive labourer. This is because they exchange their services directly for revenue, which they then appropriate to themselves. Their is no transformation of labour into capital, and the employer is not making money from the service, but rather losing it. By contrast, the employee of a cleaning service creates surplus value that can be transformed into capital. The profits can be used to purchase more vehicles, more supplies and equipment, hire more workers who then create more capital. In other words, they are productive if their labour contributes to an M-C-M cycle.

Marxless fool Glowing Mindlessly parroting Smith 09-07-26 15:38:02 No.2863040

can anyone here explain the fundamental difference in relationship between a factory worker in iran and a blackwater mercanary bombing iran? The labour of both afford their respective capitalists a profit, therefore these classes are identically proletarian. I contend every single day that americans are not imperialist devil labour aristocrats, but also that backwater mercenaries really are productive, because Smith said so!

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:39:56 No.2863041

>>2863040
>The labour of both afford their respective capitalists a profit, therefore these classes are identically proletarian.
Do you think "proletarian" is a synonym for "morally good" or something?

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:40:49 No.2863043

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Anonymous 09-07-26 15:40:58 No.2863044

>>2863040
Your problem is with Karl Marx, which is fine, but you should be honest about that

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:41:12 No.2863045

>>2863040
stay mad

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:42:42 No.2863046

>>2863044
He seems to be unable to grasp the concept that Marx agreed with Smith on many things, and that this was one of them.
<We come now to the last controversial point in Adam Smith’s writings which we have to consider: the distinction between productive and unproductive labour.
<In Adam Smith’s definition of what he calls productive labour as distinguished from unproductive labour, we find the same two-sided approach as we have found on every question up to now. Jumbled together in his presentation we find two definitions of what he calls productive labour, and to begin with we will examine the first, the correct definition.
<Productive labour, in its meaning for capitalist production, is wage-labour which, exchanged against the variable part of capital (the part of the capital that is spent on wages), reproduces not only this part of the capital (or the value of its own labour-power), but in addition produces surplus-value for the capitalist, It is only thereby that commodity or money is transformed into capital, is produced as capital. Only that wage-labour is productive which produces capital. (This is the same as saying that it reproduces on an enlarged scale the sum of value expended on it, or that it gives in return more labour than it receives in the form of wages. Consequently, only that labour-power is productive which produces a value greater than its own.)

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:42:51 No.2863047

If you work in a brewery or a distillery you aren’t a proletarian because your product is poison that causes car accidents, rape, abuse, and all sorts of anti social behavior. I’m smart AS FUCKING SHIT

Glownonymous 09-07-26 15:44:59 No.2863048

>>2863028
trvke

Anonymous 09-07-26 15:46:52 No.2863051

>>2863046
I mean in the last thread he said recording musicians aren’t productive workers even when physical media is the final output of their work, you’re dealing with a moron

Glownonymous 09-07-26 15:50:19 No.2863053

>>2863043
https://youtu.be/jBD61skoMk8?si=0B64ToLM4SKkzuKf

Anonymous 09-07-26 16:01:17 No.2863058

just received word that it's over

Anonymous 09-07-26 16:04:04 No.2863059

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>>2863058

Anonymous 09-07-26 16:05:12 No.2863060

>>2863059
would the bath salts lie to me?

Anonymous 09-07-26 16:06:46 No.2863062

>>2863060
Don’t know, I’ve only ever done adderall and cocaine

Anonymous 09-07-26 16:35:33 No.2863066

>>2863058
>just received word that it's over
It's never over if you learn to just thug it out

Anonymous 09-07-26 16:35:34 No.2863067

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>>2863006
>Red Alert tesla coils but with Stalin's Giant Spoon

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:05:14 No.2863077

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>DEI bike lanes

I dunno about you guys but I'm getting kind of tired of having a government that gleefully makes things worse for everyone because to do otherwise would be woke

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:05:56 No.2863079

any memes about the "Islamic Republic of Japan" yet?

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:06:41 No.2863080

>>2863079

Glownonymous 09-07-26 17:08:10 No.2863081

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>>2863079

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:10:14 No.2863083

>>2863081
coal

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:13:49 No.2863086

>>2863081
i kek'd

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:22:44 No.2863090

>>2863041
>SNLT?
<But what about SMLT? (Socially Moral Labour Time)????!

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:25:43 No.2863091

>>2863051
NTA but producing music =/= living off royalties, and le musicians do both, in their later years only the latter. Marx talks about this in Theories of Sourpuss Value RE: writers

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:29:48 No.2863093

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>>2863081
>>2863079
arahu akbaru, arah-sama.

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:30:16 No.2863094

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>>2863079
women before the islamic revolution in Japan.

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:35:11 No.2863096

>>2863033
>deal dough

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:36:49 No.2863098

>>2863019
i wonder what chinese gusano let her into their petty bourgeois establishment so she could make this absolute coal of an ad

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:38:38 No.2863099

>>2863091
>Marx talks about this in Theories of Sourpuss Value RE: writers
of which he was one and therefore must be treated as parasitic and confined to the fires of secular moralist hell (MLM)

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:39:43 No.2863100

>>2863096
Bawlinnnnnn

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:40:08 No.2863101

>>2863099
The cool thing about MLM as an acronym is it stands for both Multi Level Marketing and Marxism Leninism Maoism, which are the same thing

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:47:30 No.2863103

>>2863101
Men Loving Men

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:48:30 No.2863104

>>2863043
chudtalians of n'yawk are always wopping out

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:49:08 No.2863106

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remember to race mix, comrades

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 17:50:24 No.2863107

>>2863043
For these types sometimes I think the only way of dealing with them is to ironically bring back some archaic 19th century racism to throw it back in their faces.
>”New York was built by ANGLO-SAXONS not your grease bag wop ancestors. The only thing you built was crime syndicates here. Why don’t you go back to that shitty rock you call Sicily if you’re so proud about being a guido.”

It won’t really convince them of the error of their ways, but the freak out would be funny.

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:51:35 No.2863108

>>2863103
>>2863101
Men Loving Maoism

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:51:41 No.2863109

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>>2863107
may martin luther guide my hand against your pizzeria popery

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:53:21 No.2863110

>>2863107
>actually let's just be racist not because it'd be constructive or useful but just because it's funny
you really don't do a great job beating allegations sometimes.

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:54:20 No.2863111

>>2863110
italians in NYC are basically fully integrated settleroids tbh

Anonymous 09-07-26 17:55:07 No.2863112

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>>2863110
Thank you for standing up against anti-Italian discrimination

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:00:15 No.2863117

what do you mean you people?

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:00:48 No.2863118

>>2863103
Less fraudulent than the other two MLMs

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:06:46 No.2863121

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ICE has taken out the life of Lorenzo Salgado Araujo

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:11:39 No.2863123

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>>2863121
it doesn't matter, a bit of cumbia, one merenguito, a bolero dance, un perreo intenso, a bit of salsa, and the house nigroes latinos will vote again for the master that tightens the noose.

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 18:16:05 No.2863125

>>2863109
I remember as a kid doing some project for school where I was supposed to trace how my ancestors came to America (it’s a Catholic school so there was a big emphasis on Ellis Island and being descended from Immigrants) and I was pretty much the only kid whose “immigrant story” was “my Scottish dirt farmer ancestors came here in the late 18th century”, they assigned us this thing where it’s like “describe the food you inherited from your culture, the stuff your ancestors ate that you still eat in celebrations today” and, well, it’s not like I’ve ever had Haggis—don’t think it’s even legal to purchase in LA county outside of specialty restaurants.

My point is that I’m about as far removed from the “immigrant story” as a white guy in the U.S. feasibly can. I really don’t know what motivates these types—whether the precarity their ancestors faced as immigrants here no longer haunts them, or whether that same precarious status encourages them to punch down to prove they’re “REAL Americans”

[chagosposter] !bylYJpNtps 09-07-26 18:16:09 No.2863126

>>2863079
/usapol/

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:16:57 No.2863127

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>>2863123
Have a little bit more of faith in the working class brother. The so called left in the USA have pic rel. A real party of workers is desperately needed

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:19:50 No.2863129

Dickriders status?

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:20:32 No.2863130

>>2863109
Be careful, the Catholics are not all about eating pizza and praying the rosary.

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:21:36 No.2863132

>>2863109
protestantism, on a purely aesthetic level, is the single biggest producer of cringe.

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 18:22:58 No.2863133

>>2863110
Man no one on this board gives a damn about saying the most absurdly racist things about generic white people, seems hypocritical to draw the line at ironic anti-italianism

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:33:43 No.2863134

>>2863133
>o one on this board gives a damn about saying the most absurdly racist things about generic white people,
You ARE a Strasserite. Poor white californian, subjected to hispanic high temperatures and ani-white racism on his strassero-liberal imageboard. Poor you

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:35:09 No.2863135

>>2863077
They always do that shit.
In various ways they say “fuck the minorities”, kkkrackers buy into the politics of spite thinking they’ll get something out of it, and then they end up screwing them over in the end.
White privilege is a poison pill that hurts everyone in the end.

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:36:19 No.2863136

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>racism
>to whites
>literally rightwing-coded talk
>implying racism isn't a state of things.
lmao
you can call cracka to a white person, that won't stop the white person to getting a job

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:38:47 No.2863137

>>2863133
> absurdly racist things about generic white people
I think you’ll be ok

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:44:19 No.2863139

>>2863133
Eyyyy we're walkin here! Gabagool!

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 18:46:08 No.2863140

>>2863137
>>2863136
>>2863134
>board rushing to prove my point

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:47:32 No.2863141

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>>2863140
If it makes you feel any better I got permanently banned from twitter one time because I called a journalist a "honkey"

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:49:16 No.2863142

>>2863140
>i think you’ll be ok
<posts again therefore proving he’s “ok”
I’m glad you’re ok

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 18:52:36 No.2863146

>>2863141
Eh I got banned from Reddit for calling Euros snow monkeys once. My point is more it’s absurd to tut-tut about “he called the anti immigrant Italian guy a Guido” on here of all places. It’s like how right wingers will be psychos but if you imply that they should be mildly inconvenienced in the slightest they’ll get all weepy “Oh I can’t believe how INTOLERANT you are!”

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:52:55 No.2863147

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>>2863142
STAPH! you're gonna drive him mad to death telling him he's ok.
And you'll prove his point that you are being racist towards him LMAOOOO

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:54:14 No.2863148

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rightoids really need to work out their sexual pathologies

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:56:11 No.2863149

~~>>2863144~~
gtfo chinletcel.

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:56:55 No.2863150

>>2863094
Mashallah Japanese women are hot

Anonymous 09-07-26 18:58:14 No.2863151

>>2863146
I got banned from reddit this year for calling americans stupid, fat and slovenly, or some such. They explicitly labelled it as racial hatred.
Reddit is a trip, lol.

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 19:01:09 No.2863152

>>2863151
Yeah so was my thing on Europeans, it specifically said “bigotry towards protected groups” and I asked when the hell Europeans became a “protected group”

The context was they were talking about how Russians just naturally love war and dictatorship. Saw someone do a reverse Zhukov quote:
>”Gorbachev and Yeltsin were the best leaders in Russian history and they’ll never forgive them for it.”

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:01:35 No.2863153

>>2863043
They should create and officially recognize a "Little Uganda" neighborhood out of spite.

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:04:49 No.2863155

>>2863139
>>2863140
>>2863133

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:13:36 No.2863162

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it's official, bernie sanders talks like clinton.
no, bernie didn't move hillary to the left.

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 19:18:17 No.2863166

>>2863162
Tbh it just reads as coping to me. Like who could Israel even elect after Bibi? He’s in power cause he seems the only person to be able to maintain a coalition.

I predict when he’s gone, assuming Israel still exists, libs will celebrate for all of five seconds before the heir apparent becomes a guy who claims Palestinians eat their own children if they think they’re the “runt of the litter”

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:25:07 No.2863167

>>2863162
obviously she hasn't genuinely moved to the left and is retreating to this position as a last option. Bernie had this before she did (I am not saying Bernie has a good position at all).
>>2863166
They unfortunately are under the delusion that there are adults in the room that will take over once Bibi is done; same way they've been maneuvering with Trump. Does anybody really know what is going with Israeli politics anyway? Right-wing forces are only continuing to grow in strength right? How will these genocide defenders react if Bibi actually wins re-election? Or he pulls some kind of Erdogan style coup?

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:31:04 No.2863168

>>2863151
which subreddit was it

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:33:10 No.2863169

>"He Could SEXT My Mom" The Establishment Left's Mea Culpa On Platner (w/ Kshama Sawant)

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:35:16 No.2863171

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>>2863148
his entire 2 terms is just him getting revenge on obama for making this joke at the WHCD

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:39:00 No.2863172

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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/07/09/xywt-j09.html

US President Donald Trump has relaunched American imperialism’s illegal war of aggression against Iran, after repeatedly making Hitlerite threats in recent days to destroy the country’s basic infrastructure and rain death and destruction on its people.

Speaking Wednesday on the sidelines of the NATO summit in Ankara, Trump effectively repudiated the 60-day truce reached between Washington and Tehran last month. “As far as I’m concerned, it’s over,” he declared. He went on to vow that the US will continue the campaign of air strikes launched on Iran in the early hours of Wednesday morning. “We’re going to hit them ‌hard tonight,” boasted the fascist would-be dictator president.

This was coupled with a flurry of other threats, including the possible resumption of the US blockade of Iranian ports and the “takeover” of Kharg Island, Iran’s principal Persian Gulf oil export hub.

On Tuesday, Washington canceled the oil export sanctions “waiver” that it had granted Tehran as part of the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) that underpins the truce. Hours later, the US mounted air strikes on more than 80 targets in southern Iran, killing, according to Iranian authorities, eight military personnel.

In his characteristic gangster-style fashion, Trump denounced Iran’s leaders in his Wednesday remarks, reveling in his capacity as the head of the US imperialist war machine to order execution air strikes like that which killed Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei at the war’s outset. “I do not want to deal with them any more, they are scum. They are sick people,” he snorted.

Tehran, for its part, has warned that the US is in breach of the MoU. An Iranian Foreign Ministry statement issued Wednesday said America’s “repeated illegal attacks against Iran,” the re-imposition of sanctions on Iranian oil and Israel’s continuing aggression against Lebanon “have rendered important and fundamental parts” of the truce agreement “ineffective.”

Iran has responded to the Pentagon’s Tuesday night attack with counter-strikes on US military bases in Kuwait and Bahrain and by warning the region’s other oil sheikdoms that they will be similarly targeted if they continue to facilitate US aggression.

The truce has been hanging by a thread since it was formally signed by Trump and Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian on June 17.

Trump has repeatedly threatened to renew hostilities even as more information has emerged about the depletion of US missile stocks and the damage Iran has inflicted on US bases across the region.

The truce, coming after a long stream of proclamations from Trump, his Secretary of War Pete Hegseth and other minions about an overwhelming US “victory,” represented a debacle and humiliation for Washington. While unleashing massive wanton violence and suffering, the Trump administration manifestly failed to achieve any of its stated objectives—regime change, the elimination of Iran’s nuclear program and ballistic missile arsenal, and the cessation of its support for Hezbollah and other regional allies. Moreover, Iran was quickly able to establish effective control over the Strait of Hormuz, choking off energy and other exports from and to US allies.

Trump himself made reference to the devastating impact US imperialism’s illegal, unprovoked war has had on the world economy, when in justifying the truce he invoked the threat of an economic catastrophe akin to the Great Depression.

Yet some three weeks later Trump and the US oligarchy on whose behalf he rules have recklessly reopened hostilities, threatening to plunge the region and world into an even larger conflagration and economic morass.

They do so in the face of a massive show of popular opposition to US imperialism on the part of ordinary Iranians. Since July 4, millions of Iranians have joined what are to be six days of funeral observances for Ayatollah Khamenei and family members, including his 14-month-old granddaughter, who were killed in the February 28 decapitation strike with which the US and Israel launched their criminal war.

Even sections of the Western media have been forced to concede the popular character of the funeral observances and the palpable mass anger and mood of defiance, as well as genuine anguish, that have characterized them. They have mobilized what remains of the Islamic Republic’s traditional base among the urban and rural poor but also broad sections of working people with deep-rooted grievances against Iran’s bourgeois nationalist regime. They recognize that imperialism represents the greatest obstacle to realizing the social and democratic aspirations of Iran’s workers and toilers and are implacably opposed to the bipartisan drive of the US political establishment to reduce Iran to the type of neo-colonial bondage that existed under the bloody rule of the US-installed Shah prior to the 1979 revolution.

On Wednesday, the funeral procession passed over into Iraq, which like Iran has been the victim of decades of US imperialist aggression, including the invasion and occupation launched in 2003 under a web of lies about “weapons of mass destruction.” There it was similarly greeted with mass outpourings of popular anger against US imperialism and its Israeli attack dog

The Trump administration’s belligerence is born of crisis—a crisis that is itself rooted in the ever-accelerating decline in the world position of US imperialism and the basic contradictions of the capitalist social order. It faces mounting opposition and growing political radicalization at home as manifested in the mass participation in the “No Kings” protests and a wave of strikes involving broad sections of the working class across the country, from auto parts workers, to educators, healthcare workers and transit workers. Terrified of this growing threat from below, Trump rails against the danger of “communism” and accelerates his drive to impose a presidential dictatorship.

As for the ostensible opposition party, the Democrats, they work with the trade union bureaucracy to contain and suppress working-class opposition. Their objections to Trump’s policies largely revolve around questions of US imperialist foreign policy and strategy. This has been exemplified in their response to the Iran war. The entire Democratic Party leadership, including Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, supported the narrative used to justify their war—that Iran, a historically oppressed country, is an aggressor and a threat. Insofar as they have made criticisms, it has been over procedural issues (such as the administration’s failure to give Congress a role in planning and overseeing the war) and Trump’s maladroit conduct of it.

The Democrats joined with powerful sections of the military-security establishments and financial oligarchy in attacking Trump for agreeing to a truce with Iran that failed to achieve any of Washington’s war objectives. California Senator Adam Schiff called it “a thorough capitulation,” while his Connecticut colleague, Chris Murphy, termed it “essentially a surrender to Iran.”

Trump’s relaunching of the war on Iran unfolded against the background of a NATO summit dominated by the imperialist powers’ competing agendas in what is a developing global war for the control of resources, markets, production networks and strategic territories akin to the imperialist world wars of the last century—only on a far greater and more lethal scale.

The European powers, joined by Canada, used the summit to escalate the war on Russia, boasting of their accelerating rearmament drive and role in providing their Ukrainian proxy with the capabilities of striking deep inside nuclear-armed Russia. Trump, meanwhile, denounced them for not being more supportive of the US-Israeli war on Iran, demanded Greenland be ceded by Denmark to the US, reiterated his support for a US-Russia deal to end the Ukraine war at the expense of America’s NATO “allies” and threatened to cut off all US trade with Spain.

The imperialist powers and the capitalist system they lead are dragging humanity to the abyss. The only progressive answer to their rival predatory agendas for rearmament and war, austerity, and the evisceration of democratic rights is the revolutionary mobilization of the international working class. The World Socialist Web Site has long insisted that the same crisis of global capitalism that is fueling global war is intensifying class conflict, creating the objective conditions for the emergence of a mass movement of the working class for socialism.

The critical question is to politically arm the growing working class counter-offensive with a revolutionary socialist program, strategy and leadership. It is to this task that the International Committee of the Fourth International and its respective national sections, the Socialist Equality Parties are dedicated.

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:43:40 No.2863174

>>2863162
its just the liberal zionist slight of hand "israel good, bibi bad"

there are also rumblings that rahm will run for presidency in 2028. he currently polls at 1 percent lol.

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:49:46 No.2863175

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>>2863174
if americans start saying "israel bad" instead of just "bibi bad" they will have to admit "america bad" for basically being a bigger, older, stronger israel

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:51:00 No.2863176

>>2863175
That’s also true of every country on the continent and the Caribbean

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:51:15 No.2863177

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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/07/08/fnaa-j08.html

The campaign of Graham Platner, the Democratic nominee for US Senate in Maine, is collapsing under the weight of a new sexual assault allegation, exposing not merely the personal degradation of the candidate but the political forces that manufactured and promoted him as a “working-class” tribune.

On Monday, Politico published an interview with Jenny Racicot, who accused Platner of raping her in 2021. Racicot repeated the allegation later that night in an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper. Platner has denied the allegation. Within hours, leading Democrats who had tolerated or excused months of earlier revelations, including his Nazi-linked Totenkopf tattoo and history as a soldier and mercenary for US imperialism, rushed to call for him to withdraw.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chair Kirsten Gillibrand called on Platner to withdraw, with the DSCC declaring it would not fund the Maine Senate race if he remained the nominee. California Rep. Ro Khanna and other endorsers withdrew support as well.

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, who had been Platner’s most prominent national booster and appeared with him under the fraudulent “Fighting Oligarchy” banner, waited longer than others, but by Tuesday he posted on social media that he “recommended that he step aside.”

Under Maine election law, if Platner withdraws by July 13 the Democrats can select a replacement by July 27, a procedure that is now clearly being prepared.

The debacle confirms what the World Socialist Web Site explained from the beginning. After Platner won the June primary, the WSWS wrote that while the vote expressed real anger over inequality, “Platner’s promoters—large sections of the Democratic Party and the trade union apparatus, most avidly its so-called ‘progressive’ wing—present him as a genuine representative of the working class. He is nothing of the sort.”

Platner’s “working-class” identity was from the beginning a political marketing product. His supposed credentials for this position were the fact that he was a veteran, “oysterman,” and rural Mainer, combined with his vulgarity, tattoos, profanity and anti-billionaire demagogy. But this had nothing to do with the working class as a social force.

In fact, Platner is a small businessman, a former Marine, Army soldier and Blackwater/Constellis contractor, and a loyal Democrat. His social background and career belong not to the proletariat but to the upper-middle-class layers around the Democratic Party.

However, Platner’s manufactured persona was politically useful to Democratic-aligned consultants, the trade-union apparatus, Sanders/DSA operatives, and liberal media figures searching for a way to repackage the Democratic Party after its catastrophic loss of support within the working class.

Platner’s own platform exposes the right-wing character of the campaign. On immigration, he combines denunciations of Trump’s “mass deportation machine” with the demand for “strong border security.” On the Pentagon, he does not call for an end to imperialist war or the dismantling of the military machine. “Send me to Washington and I will work tirelessly to rebuild the American military,” his campaign website declares.

Platner’s position on Gaza followed the same pattern. After issuing limited criticisms of Israel’s crimes, he marked the second anniversary of October 7 by adopting the language of Schumer and the Zionist establishment, writing that “Hamas launched a horrific terrorist attack against the people of Israel” and calling for “ALL the hostages” to be released and “this war” to end.

The Totenkopf tattoo emblazoned on his chest for nearly two decades was never a secondary issue. It was politically diagnostic. Platner acquired the Nazi-linked death’s-head tattoo while serving in the Marines. The self-declared history buff, who attended private school and George Washington University, claimed ignorance, even though the infamous symbol is associated with the SS and Nazi concentration camp guards, and earlier reporting cited a former acquaintance who said Platner had referred to it as his “Totenkopf.”

The Totenkopf tattoo did not merely expose Platner. It exposed the social and political forces that manufactured him. A movement genuinely rooted in the working class would seek to educate, elevate and politically clarify workers. The Democratic Party and the DSA milieu instead seek to promote backwardness, mimic the vulgarity of Trumpism, and keep social anger trapped inside a bourgeois-imperialist party.

Upon the tattoo revelation, Sanders, Khanna and the pseudo-left rushed to defend Platner as a “working-class candidate,” supposedly unfairly maligned by “the corrupt campaign-finance system,” in the words of Sanders.

The most important question is not why Platner collapsed, but why he was promoted in the first place, and by what social forces. Sanders held events with him under the “Fighting Oligarchy” banner. Ro Khanna defended him after the Nazi tattoo revelation. Jacobin, the unofficial press organ of the DSA, published repeated defenses, including one by David Sirota that stated that the debate over whether Platner was sufficiently “working class” had ignored that he “enlisted in the military for multiple combat tours for his country.”

“Progressive” commentator Krystal Ball declared herself more “ride or die” for him after the Nazi tattoo revelation. The United Auto Workers bureaucracy, led by DSA darling Shawn Fain, likewise waved away Platner’s record and Nazi tattoo and presented him as someone who had “chosen to stand with the working class.”

Joining the UAW, DSA and “progressives” in boosting Platner’s campaign were Michelle Goldberg of the New York Times and David Remnick in the New Yorker. Goldberg wrote that Platner was “nothing like the edgelord caricature” she encountered online, called him “largely convincing” in person, and compared his campaign energy to Obama. In another column for the Times she favorably compared Platner to a “Democratic version of the Tea Party,” writing that voters were seeking “to upend a system that they believe has failed them.”

The WSWS proceeded on an entirely different basis. It began from the class character of the Democratic Party, the AFL-CIO bureaucracy, the Sanders operation and the imperialist state. In several articles, it exposed the character of the Platner campaign and warned of the debacle it would produce.

Platner is a hybrid of two Democratic Party types. One is the “CIA Democrat” identified by the WSWS in 2018. The other is the Fetterman model: the affluent, college-educated right-wing politician costumed as an authentic representative of the working class through dress, mannerisms and regional branding. Platner combined both: the veteran/mercenary credentials of the national-security Democrat with the vulgar, rough-hewn affect of the pseudo-populist.

Ten years ago, Hillary Clinton referred to Trump voters as the “basket of deplorables.” Now the ruling class manufactures “deplorable” personas to market to workers. Both express the same contempt for the working class.

Thousands of people donated money, volunteered time, attended meetings and placed their hopes in a campaign that was presented to them as a vehicle for fighting oligarchy, war and corruption. That energy was directed into another attempt to refurbish the Democratic Party, one of the two parties of American capitalism, imperialist war and dictatorship.

The responsibility for this political fraud rests above all with Sanders and those around him, including Khanna, Jacobin, the DSA milieu and the AFL-CIO bureaucracy. It is an important political lesson for workers and young people in Maine and across the country.

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:51:20 No.2863178

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>>2863132
>protestantism, on a purely aesthetic level, is the single biggest producer of cringe.

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:52:25 No.2863180

>>2863176
Yes, and it implies that the answer to the "israel question" is the same answer to the question of the entire New World from Canada to Chile

Anonymous 09-07-26 19:57:30 No.2863183

>>2863180
A state with equal rights and the benefits of socialism for everyone, like Cuba

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:01:12 No.2863184

>>2863183
Does this imply that Israeli settlers should be allowed to stay in Israel as long as rights become equal? How is it possible to establish such a situation when the current situation is that the Israelis kill and settle with impunity? How can there be equality in a representative government when the Palestinians have had their population and therefore their representation slashed through genocide?

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 20:01:55 No.2863185

>>2863175
Not really, homie.

Past a point countries cease to be "settler-colonies" in any meaningful sense. There's no "anglos out of Briton" for example. You can abandon Israel without having to freak out "Oh America is Israel!"

>>2863167
>They unfortunately are under the delusion that there are adults in the room that will take over once Bibi is done; same way they've been maneuvering with Trump. Does anybody really know what is going with Israeli politics anyway? Right-wing forces are only continuing to grow in strength right? How will these genocide defenders react if Bibi actually wins re-election? Or he pulls some kind of Erdogan style coup?

I think they'll claim Bibi rigged the election just like they claim Russia rigged ours (or maybe even claim Russia rigged the Israeli election, they love doing that) but I think this is just desperate flailing to find some way to not abandon the Israeli project as a whole.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:03:09 No.2863186

>>2863184
Here’s the thing, as soon as equal rights are declared, most of the Israeli jews will just leave instead of being equal with arab neighbors. Similar thing happened in South Africa even though the whites still technically own the land. You don’t even need a campaign to ethnically cleanse them or whatever like germans in poland.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:03:49 No.2863187

>>2863177
Based

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:04:33 No.2863188

>>2863184
What you’re implying means every Haitian gets deported to Africa, that’s not very realistic

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:04:37 No.2863189

>>2863185
>Past a point countries cease to be "settler-colonies" in any meaningful sense.
Ring up the nearest reservation and tell 'em that sweetheart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indigenous_peoples_in_California

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:05:04 No.2863190

>>2863184
>Does this imply that Israeli settlers should be allowed to stay in Israel as long as rights become equal?
This is the position of Hamas and the PFLP.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:05:21 No.2863191

BREAKING NEWS: Air Force One (VC-25) has been shot at by unknown while flying, Emergency landing expected

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:10:17 No.2863192

>>2863189
Reservations aren't really all that different from any other ethnic ghetto tbh. In fact the main difference is that they actually have official status that typically comes with some powers of self-government. Colonialism against Indigenous people in Canada and the US today almost always takes the form of extractive colonialism, i.e. resource extraction or other commercial use of Indigenous land or land they consider to be theirs. Generally this land isn't being seized from Indigenous people and given to white people to live on. Meanwhile Indigenous people themselves are (unlike in the past or Palestinians today) full citizens and can vote, hold public office, own property, move freely through the country, etc. This isn't to suggest that they don't remain an internal colony and victims of viscous systemic racism, but it is correct to say that the unique features of settler colonialism tend to fade over time once the process of settlement and subjugation is complete.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:10:38 No.2863193

>>2863188
I'm just trying to figure out what the limit is
>>2863190
The rights can be nominally equal in the letter of the law while there still exists unofficial off the books programs of extermination. settlerism in israel of takes the form of teenagers on ATVs driving around and committing vandalism of palestinian homes with no "official" sanction from the government. Just like in America settlers often massacred entire villages of natives with no legal sanction from the government. How do you permanently prevent such a thing while a settler majority remains?
>>2863185
>Past a point countries cease to be "settler-colonies" in any meaningful sense. There's no "anglos out of Briton" for example. You can abandon Israel without having to freak out "Oh America is Israel!"
So what is that point? How many years? What year did America stop being "settler" in any meaningful sense.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:11:31 No.2863194

>>2863191
link or gtfo

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 20:11:56 No.2863195

>>2863184
To be honest part of me thinks it should be placed under U.N. conservatorship for a few decades but I have dismal views on the UN's ability to solve this (as well as the fact that is literally the perfect combination of brainworms to make right wing evangelicals do suicide bombings of the UN headquarters) but if I had to just do some napkin proposal
>30 day grace period, then immediate transfer of ownership to any Palestinian who can provide proof of ownership of property that was illegally stolen by Israelis
>Right of return for ALL Palestinians and guaranteed citizenship in the new state
>War crime tribunals for the IDF as well as Israeli leadership
>"Truth and reconciliation committees" exposing Israeli crimes
>Denuclearization, maybe?

>>2863189
I've went shooting with Natives, one of 'em was wearing a tacky tank top showing an eagle gripping a flag with the cross superimposed in the background. Real "LOVE IT ER LEAVE IT!" vibe.

They generally aren't Maoist third worldists and I think they'd much prefer full membership and dignity conferred on them as part of the U.S.

That said, again doing napkin proposals, I think the best way to handle Native reservations is try to expand the land under their ownership, provide economic stimulus, funding for the preservation of native languages and culture, and maybe use the Bureau of Indian Affairs to actually sit down with Native Americans and ask point blank what the government can do for them.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:12:50 No.2863199

>>2863193
>How do you permanently prevent such a thing while a settler majority remains?
Israel doesn't have a settler majority. The combined population of Gaza, the West Bank, and Palestinians with Israeli citizenship is slightly larger than the total Jewish population of Israel. If you include the Palestinian refugees in surrounding countries they would compose the firm majority of a Palestinian state.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:14:00 No.2863201

>>2863186
>Here’s the thing, as soon as equal rights are declared, most of the Israeli jews will just leave instead of being equal with arab neighbors.
They're just gonna give up all that free property they already stole because of purely on-paper "equality?" Really? They're gonna abandon all the houses, money, centuries old olive groves, etc. they stole? I seriously doubt it. White Americans in the South didn't leave after Lincoln passed the emancipation proclamation. Instead they formed the klan. White Americans didn't leave for Europe after LBJ passed the civil rights act.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:15:26 No.2863202

>>2863199
>The combined population of Gaza, the West Bank, and Palestinians with Israeli citizenship is slightly larger than the total Jewish population of Israel.
Well the ongoing genocide, and the uncounted dead, makes the prospect of this remaining true very bleak. And I very seriously doubt we will ever see a "two state solution" even if that's what Hamas and the PFLP want as a compromise.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:15:26 No.2863203

>>2863201
White South Africans and rhodesians did just that

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:15:37 No.2863204

>>2863201
Anon all you're really saying here is "What if the settlers don't accept a one state solution?" which is kind of a silly statement. In order for it to be implemented they must have already accepted it, either by force or consent.

Glownonymous 09-07-26 20:16:08 No.2863205

>>2863195
> use the Bureau of Indian Affairs to actually sit down with Native Americans and ask point blank what the government can do for them.
euroamerikans can get the fuck out and go back to europe.
>I think they'd much prefer full membership and dignity conferred on them as part of the U.S.
an empty, pious wish proposed by the colonizer labor aristocrat itself

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:17:21 No.2863206

>>2863184
Zionism is jewish exclusive sovereignty in the region, giving 5 million palestinians equal citizenship and making the state bi-national would kill the idea entirely, no need to ethnically cleanse anybody

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:18:19 No.2863208

If the Unionists accepted the Good Friday Agreement even though it’s doomed their political supremacy I don’t see how Zionists won’t eventually be forced into a similar arrangement

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:19:16 No.2863209

>>2863202
Even if the entire population of Gaza were exterminated, the Palestinian population would still outnumber Israelis (assuming we're including the refugees).
>>2863205
>euroamerikans can get the fuck out and go back to europe
The people who say shit like this are inevitably white edgelords with no experience actually working with Indigenous people or their liberation movements. No serious Indigenous liberation activist thinks such a thing is remotely possible, nor would they ever seriously propose or argue for such a thing. Their goals are always a dignified and equitable existence alongside the non-Indigenous population.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:21:28 No.2863210

>>2863203
And Americans did not. Doesn't mean israelis will do it either. And Rhodesians were defeated militarily. They were not simply defeated through reformism, which is what the two state solution is.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:21:45 No.2863211

Dumping 100 million white Americans in the UK would be funny, those poor NHS workers dealing with karens

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:23:19 No.2863212

>>2863209
>assuming we're including the refugees
which is why right of return with full guaranteed citizenship and political representation NO MATTER HOW MANY GENERATIONS THEY HAVE BEEN EXILED is essential to palestinian sovereignty. this isn't just about letting back in 90 year olds who remember the nakba, but their grandchildren born in america. settleroids in israel would only concede such a thing if they experienced a total military defeat and abandonment by the US empire. Are we anywhere close to seeing that happen in any practical terms? I wish but no. obviously not.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:24:07 No.2863214

>>2863204
see >>2863212
<settleroids in israel would only concede such a thing if they experienced a total military defeat and abandonment by the US empire. Are we anywhere close to seeing that happen in any practical terms? I wish but no. obviously not.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:24:28 No.2863215

>>2863211
The brits would probably destroy the NHS out of spite.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:24:59 No.2863216

>>2863212
We are closer to that then you think with Israel’s military completely overstrained, losing in Lebanon to Hezbollah (again), expansion into Syria, and the US completely flubbing the Iran operation

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:24:59 No.2863217

>>2863212
Fully agree, but the Israelis already seem to have exhausted not only their ability to expand under their own power, but are increasingly testing the limits and patience of their patrons in Washington. I think toppling Assad represented the Zenith of their power and its going to be all downhill from here.

GenocidalColonizerAnon Glownonymous 09-07-26 20:25:36 No.2863218

>>2863189
I've went shooting with Palestinians, one of 'em was wearing a tacky tank top showing an eagle gripping an israeli flag with the jewish star superimposed in the background. Real "LOVE IT ER LEAVE IT!" vibe. (worthless anecdote to justify genocide)

Palestinians generally aren't Maoist third worldists and I think they'd much prefer full membership and dignity conferred on them as part of Israel.

That said, again doing napkin proposals, I think the best way to handle Gazans is try to expand the land under their ownership, provide economic stimulus, funding for the preservation of native languages and culture, and maybe use the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories to actually sit down with Palestinians and ask point blank what the government can do for them. (this is what this dumbfuck is proposing)

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:25:57 No.2863219

Unless Israel can press gang haredim into the IDF they’re going to break, it’s that simple

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:26:08 No.2863220

>>2863216
one important question is would NATO continue to support israel even if america didnt'?

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:26:09 No.2863221

>>2863218
Have you ever met an Indigenous North American?

Glowing worthless question 09-07-26 20:27:36 No.2863222

>>2863221
Yeah. the ones on the reservations hate euroamerikans because they stole their land and put them there, unless theyre actually retarded.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:29:16 No.2863224

>>2863219
Rioting by Haredi extremists has caused NIS 600 million damage to Jerusalem light rail work
Transport Ministry says ultra-Orthodox groups’ vandalism of infrastructure and equipment at the construction site in the Bar-Ilan area has set light rail expansion back 2 years

https://www.timesofisrael.com/rioting-by-haredi-extremists-has-caused-nis-600-million-damage-to-jerusalem-light-rail-work/

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 20:30:56 No.2863226

>>2863193
>So what is that point? How many years? What year did America stop being "settler" in any meaningful sense.

I mean when does the Ship of Theseus stop being the Ship of Theseus? We're talking about something at the intersection of objectivity and subjectivity. I think expecting some simple solution along the lines of "50 years" or "100 years" is silly, and I think the nonsense woo-woo about "its about having a STORY where you are BORN from the land" is just as silly, if not more so.

The way I see it, I think it can be objectively said that the process of actual settlement ended more than a generation ago. Like the most recent state to join the Union was Hawaii, and that was back in 1959.

That doesn't mean that problems which can be traced back to the original settlement of the U.S. don't have knock-on effects into the present. I mean going back to Hawaii again, I think you still have a modern issue with Native land being taken by scumfucks like Mark Zuckerberg, however I don't think it can be said that "the process of settlement is still continuing".

>>2863209
>The people who say shit like this are inevitably white edgelords with no experience actually working with Indigenous people or their liberation movements. No serious Indigenous liberation activist thinks such a thing is remotely possible, nor would they ever seriously propose or argue for such a thing. Their goals are always a dignified and equitable existence alongside the non-Indigenous population.

You hit the nail on the head of edgelordism but its the internet so the loudest retards get the most prestige.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:31:46 No.2863227

>>2863222
I'm from a rural town where Indigenous people are the only visible minority. I went to school with them, worked with them, was in the military with them, and cooperated closely on activist work with them. I have never met a single one that seriously suggested removing white people from the country.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:32:23 No.2863228

>>2863166
Isn't part of it that Bibi is in power because he created a perpetual emergency government? The kind of thing where as long as they're at war, he can stay in forever?

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:33:21 No.2863229

>>2863227
I live in Florida the indigenous people are Seminoles here and get over 11,000 USD per family member per month. They are insanely rich. They also divide the profits from their casinos. They have their own police forces, gas stations. Fire department and live in their own luxury communities.

You rarely end up interacting with them. I went to school with one and he would hand out 100 dollar bills at times to friends and rarely wore the same shoes

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:34:22 No.2863230

>>2863229
> every tribe member gets $128,000 per year, distributed through biweekly payments.

https://moneyinc.com/richest-native-american-tribes/

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:36:02 No.2863232

>>2863229
One of the most telling things about Indigenous people in Canada is how they react to separatist sentiments in provinces like Quebec and Alberta. During the height of the sovereignty movement in Quebec a coalition representing virtually all the Indigenous nations in that province declared that if the referendum was successful, they would secede from Quebec and rejoin Canada. In Alberta they've said the same thing.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:37:15 No.2863233

>>2863215
they'll do that anyway without a hypothetical angloburger resettlement

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:38:28 No.2863234

>>2863230
>>2863229

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:40:58 No.2863235

>>2863229
>he would hand out 100 dollar bills at times to friends
Kek. More merciful to the white man than i would be.
I knew someone who had a native american parent and so got to go to uni in america for free, so that's a thing.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:43:28 No.2863236

>>2863229
>The Seminole Tribe of Florida commands an estimated net worth of roughly $12 billion. Their portfolio features the multibillion-dollar global footprint of Hard Rock International, including 11 casinos, 180 restaurants, and 24 hotels globally, along with 90,000 acres of trust land and a major trust fund valued near $3 billion.
Now that is successful assimilation

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:44:48 No.2863238

>>2863235
The Seminoles live great in florida they don't have much to be mad over. They live way better than white floridians on average.

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 20:45:19 No.2863239

>>2863228
Kiiind of? I remember doing a little reading about Israeli politics when he was briefly out of office, I can't remember the time because it felt pretty short but basically
>Only way he was out of office was by the "Far-Right" Israeli parties forming a coalition with a "Moderate 'Left'" Israeli party and within the span of I think a year the coalition collapsed on itself.

Like he's got the whole "war government" thing for sure, but he's also in a position of being kingmaker I think? Essentially he's the only one who's shown themself capable of managing all these interest groups for long periods of time. After him maybe you'll get some U.K. Prime Minister type thing where its just a succession of incompetent leaders and everyone getting more pissed off.

>>2863227
>>2863235
I think in the town I went to there was some tension between the Native Americans and the White locals because the Natives had access to a Native-only clinic for healthcare (I *think* free? Or heavily subsidized by the state) while the White locals had to drive out of town for healthcare.

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:50:16 No.2863240

>The five largest US cloud and AI infrastructure providers – Microsoft, Alphabet, Amazon, Meta, and Oracle – have collectively committed to spending between $660 billion and $690 billion on capital expenditure in 2026, nearly doubling 2025 levels.
america is spending about as much on data centers as on the military

https://futurumgroup.com/insights/ai-capex-2026-the-690b-infrastructure-sprint/

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:52:27 No.2863243

So who's going to win the war this time?

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:55:09 No.2863245

>>2863220
(for the record I think they would since Germany and Italy are 2nd and 3rd in line for weapons sales to Israel)

Anonymous 09-07-26 20:55:40 No.2863246

>>2863240
do not become addicted to water

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:02:36 No.2863249

~~>>2863241~~
You’re doing liberal standpoint theory, but that does suck I’m sorry that happened to her

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:03:27 No.2863250

The silver lining is that data centers will force us to innovate in desalination for our new sources of water

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:04:16 No.2863253

>>2863250
how the fuck is that good, desalination uses shitloads of energy

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:05:26 No.2863254

>>2863253
So? There’s no limit on energy, not if you’re smart and use a combination of wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear as backup

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:06:46 No.2863255

File: 1783631206425-1.jpeg (17.81 KB, 516x387, IMG_7304.jpeg)

~~>>2863241~~
>cynically using a Palestinian person’s grief and loss to try and win internet debate points over the right to act like an annoying cunt online

>because hurr durr muh treatlerites

>which in turn is because you can’t grow up and get over having shitty classmates

Your soul has been permanently tarnished by internet addiction and you need to have your devices confiscated by a psychiatrist

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:08:39 No.2863257

>>2863229
I'm near enough to Oklahoma so it's not that unusual. In school growing up. They get confused for Mexicans a lot (which is a source of annoyance) unless they're more white-passing. I hung out with a Cherokee guy at a PIG show awhile ago. It's an industrial band. Met another guy who was dating this Trot girl who was into AIM stuff. There are Native American boomers in Oklahoma who are MAGA chuds and have Confederate flags and are devout Evangelicals. A lot of military veterans. You can't generalize. White savior attitudes start with an assumption that people of other ethnicities / cultures must be different in some kind of metaphysical way and are basically like children. Asking "what nation are your people?" is a respectful way of asking what tribe they belong to.

>>2863239
Yeah my dude got tribal healthcare and had a place up in the Cherokee Nation which sounded pretty good.

>>2863232
Friction between Quebec and First Nations? What's the story there?

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:09:10 No.2863258

>>2863132
trvke

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:10:56 No.2863259

>>2863255
Reminds me of the time thingnoticer gave us his origin-story of being in the retard class, and having to do music class with literal spastics and how mad that made him.

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:12:17 No.2863260

>>2863254
and most of the people investing enormously into data centers aren't being smart or using a combination of renewables + nuke. Even china isn't really a good counterexample because they're not investing massively into datacenters, they're making much more limited investments with much more efficient systems that are providing 80% of the value at 5% of the cost.

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:13:08 No.2863261

>>2863250
we need to get rid of golf courses

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 21:16:26 No.2863263

~~>>2863241~~
Worthless anecdote to justify your stupid position

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:19:22 No.2863264

>>2863239
In Canada Indigenous people have a whole patchwork of special rights and privileges stemming from the complex legal scheme that governs Indigenous-Crown relations. Generally these fall into four categories: rights under the Indian Act, Aboriginal rights, Aboriginal title, and treaty rights.
>Indian Act
This is the main piece of legislation that governs Indigenous-Crown relations. In its original version it was basically just apartheid, since it created the concept of "Indian Status", which came with a whole host of restrictions such as barring them from voting, leaving the reservation without permission, holding office, or conducting legal action. It also compelled attendance to residential schools. It came with a few benefits which were paltry by comparison like exemption from conscription and certain taxes. Today virtually all of the negative elements have been stripped away, while other positive benefits have been added like exemption from certain education fees. Generally speaking Indian Status is actually seen as desirable nowadays. In fact, in the 1970s the Trudeau government tried to repeal the Indian Act and abolish Indian Status, and but it went nowhere because Indigenous people were universally opposed to it.
>Aboriginal rights
These are rights which aren't necessarily codified in treaties or legislation, but are recognized by virtue of traditional ways of life of a given Indigenous population, as well as the Royal Proclamation of 1763 which states that Indigenous "subjects of the Crown" have a right to adequate means of sustenance via hunting, trapping, and fishing. So it usually means that a status Indian has unrestricted rights to fishing, hunting, or trapping for personal consumption on their nation's traditional territory. This usually means they can ignore restrictions such as seasons, tags, bag limits, etc. It's also sometimes even expanded to included limited commercial activities. For example in Nova Scotia, the Supreme Court concluded that the local Mik'maq people have a right to derive a "moderate livelihood" from lobster fishing plus unlimited fishing for personal consumption, since this was traditionally one of their main means of sustenance. Usually the only restriction is that they can't exercise this right in a way that is contrary to their traditional relationship with these activities, e.g. exhausting the local lobster population. This is one of the main sources of friction between Indigenous and non-Indigenous people, like a couple years ago when white lobster fishermen staged a number of protests because they thought these rules gave the Mik'maq an unfair advantage.
>Aboriginal title
This is the legal name for a land concession granted from the Crown to an Indigenous nation on the grounds that the former didn't go through the proper process of purchasing said land via treaty. It also stems from the Royal Proclamation which states that Indigenous subjects can't be deprived of their land except through purchase. Typically it involves sparsely populated rural areas and doesn't really clash with white people, but it's led to some high profile cases where huge swathes of inhabited land was handed over to Indigenous nations. In these cases however Indigenous people typically specify that their claim does not include the private property of any non-Indigenous people on that land, so what ends up happening is that property owners remain unaffected while the surrounding land is transfered from the municipal/provincial/federal government to the Indigenous tribal government.
>Treaty rights
These are specific rights enumerated in treaties between Indigenous nations and the government when the latter purchased the land. They vary wildly depending on region, since they were signed at various times over the last 150 years and are still being hashed out to this day. Some of them include some wacky provisions like the Canadian government having to provide the local people with "modern firearms and ammunition". That lead to stuff like the government buying a bunch of Finnish AKs and giving them to Inuit people Nunavut lol.

Out of all these the stuff that usually irks people the most are the special hunting/fishing privileges, as well as the tax exemptions. Plus whenever there's a big land concession under the Aboriginal title doctrine, rightoids start fearmongering about how natives want all the land back so they can kick out the white people (despite the fact that its never happened). It should go without saying that thus far, none of this has compensated for all the damage colonialism has done to these people, or ongoing discrimination. A lot of the benefits enumerated in treaties and stuff actually seem absurd by modern standards. When I was in high school we had an Indigenous elder come and talk to us, he told us about how as per his nation's treaty with the government, he's entitled to a monthly payment of $4.50, which obviously went much farther in the 19th century when that agreement was signed. The courts are also somewhat fickle in how they interpret these rights. Most of the time they're construed in ways that are favourable to Indigenous people, but whenever the application of those rules point to a conclusion that Canadian porkies would find unacceptable, they are ignored. For example the 1764 Treaty of Niagara more or less establishes the Six Nation Confederacy as a sovereign state allied with the British Crown. The courts are supposed to apply these treaties as written, and ambiguities resolved in favour of Indigenous people. But because in this case that would essentially lead to a huge chunk of Southwestern Ontario becoming a separate country, they just ignored those rules in that case.

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:22:05 No.2863265

~~>>2863241~~
>Genocided, exploited, and oppressed peoples love americans colonizers akshually
Indigenous Americans aren't Palestinians and their situations are very different. At any rate its not a question of loving or hating anybody, but they're just realistic that 1% of the population will never be able to expel the other 99%. Plus in my experience the vast majority don't subscribe to concepts of collective guilt, and Indigenous philosophy around justice typically emphasizes reconciliation and rehabilitation rather than punishment (though of course this varies by nation).

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:24:04 No.2863266

>>2863257
>What's the story there?
Not much of a story. White Quebcois are just as racist to Indigenous people as Anglos, and the natives worried that an independent Quebec would tear up all the legal protections they had struggled so hard to achieve in Canada. Additionally, they saw the hypocrisy of Quebec claiming to be an oppressed nation with a right to secession but still denying that right to Indigenous nations.

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 21:24:12 No.2863267

>>2863265
Eh you might as well just say the dude loves what’s happening in Gaza because he’s fundamentally a dishonest person. He’s just lying about what you said

Glownonymous 09-07-26 21:26:35 No.2863269

>>2863235
https://www.universities.com/resources/what-states-have-free-college
in all but 13 states, colonizers can go to college for free if they get good grades. all you need is to get C's or B's, but the crackers here are butthurt because they cant hold C or B average

Glownonymous 09-07-26 21:28:54 No.2863272

>>2863265
euroamerikans are a dwindling population, currently only a mere 56% of total population, not 99%. The pedophile moderators protect you even though you say dumb shit like that all day.

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:30:01 No.2863273

>>2863272
Why should non-white non-Indigenous people not be considered colonizers?

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 21:30:57 No.2863274

~~>>2863271~~
>here’s an anecdote for why Native Americans are enemies of Palestinians
Damn you really hate indigenous people don’t you?

Glownonymous 09-07-26 21:35:29 No.2863278

>>2863274
You play with children toys and post about marvel movies here. You cannot ragebait me.

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:36:00 No.2863279

I would once again draw everyone's attention to how New Zealand handles indigenous issues.
The country was founded on a treaty between Maori and Britain. Then the British said "Lol lmao obviously the treaty doesn't count", which was the legal position until 1975 when the government legislated to create a tribunal to investigate breaches of the principles of the treaty. Through the 1980s this was expanded so that it could consider not just new breaches of the treaty, but also breaches back to 1840. They also came to recognise the Maori language version of the treaty was superior to the English one. (Because some English concepts didn't translate well, like "sovereignty")

The net result has been some settlement payouts and some minor changes in government policy (like creating new kinds of covenants while privatizing land so that the government couldn't go "Lol sorry already privatised it" when confronted with a land claim, Maori language TV, etc.) but New Zealand remains on the whole a completely normal capitalist first-world english speaking country. Obviously this hasn't completely settled the issue (particularly because 1. Maori are 10% of the population or something and 2. a substantial minority of non-Maori love campaigning on Maori issues, as you'd expect of social liberals.) but moving in that direction would be a big step up in a North American context. (iirc Canada is a little closer than the US in this regard.)

Anyway, that's your sensible alternative to "lol sux2bu can't stop history baby", "deport all kkkrakkka kkkolonisers from turtle island", and "we acknowledge this is the traditional land of the poor bastards we stole it from but it's ours now but we acknowledge it was stolen :)"

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:37:59 No.2863282

>Maine says ‘no official withdrawal notice has yet been received’ from Graham Platner
>Graham Platner is planning on filing the official paperwork to end his Senate campaign on Monday, according to a person familiar with the matter
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/jul/09/donald-trump-graham-platner-mitch-mcconnell-iran-midterms-latest-news-updates

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 21:38:13 No.2863283

>>2863278
I mean I’d say reading a comic book on the scale of morals is way less offensive then creating a fake Palestinian girl to win internet arguments but eh.

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:41:16 No.2863285

i DEMAND north and south america amalgamate under a single workers polity

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:42:07 No.2863288

>>2863282
Dudes going to wait the clock out and fuck it up for the dems as revenge loool

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:44:17 No.2863291

DSA

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:45:28 No.2863292

~~>>2863289~~
>No because the us conditions are far different than that of Latin americas
what conditions? they have same new world culture. the end goal is global amalgamation, obviously north and south america would have to be centralized together first before it joins a unified eurasia

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:50:02 No.2863295

~~>>2863293~~
>There was a Palestinian girl literally holding her dead family in her hands at my school and weeping
>And I’ll never forget she looked me dead in the eyes and said
<“If you’re ever in an argument on the internet, please use my dead family to win”
>And you know talk about prophetic

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:53:52 No.2863299

Candace owens is on a mission to say Tyler Robinson had nothing at all to do with Charlie Kirk being killed. She's relentlessly posting about it

https://xcancel.com/RealCandaceO

Anonymous 09-07-26 21:54:27 No.2863300

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>>2863279
Canada more or less works the same way, except that it's a big patchwork of treaties instead of a single one. Also since Indigenous people are a smaller percentage of the population here (iirc around 5%) they are less politically powerful and generally have worse conditions than the Maori. As a rule the government can usually ignore them as an election bloc, so their only options to get shit done are to go through the courts or do direct action.

Anonymous 09-07-26 22:00:32 No.2863306

~~>>2863304~~
Candace cares a lot. She has made it her life focus for about a year at this point

Glownonymous 09-07-26 22:01:56 No.2863308

>>2863017
>You can be a feminist and be a radical/liberatory feminist and this is essentially very close already to a socialist egalitarian outlook. Structural and universal approaches to economic and class related problems liberate women from the upper and lower classes. Free healthcare means people can leave their abusive spouses without concern of losing coverage for a pre-existing condition, whether they are man or woman. Stuff like that!
Dog narratives like this are completely outdated. There are just as many men sticking with abusive spouses for x and y reasons as there women and someone sticking with their spouse because of financial reasons is most likely a lazy bum. All these narratives are so old and tired abd outdated.

Anonymous 09-07-26 22:02:01 No.2863309

Glownonymous 09-07-26 22:03:12 No.2863310

>>2863308
We might as well talk about NEETs stuck in abusive relationships in general lol.

CommuniARYAN 09-07-26 22:04:03 No.2863312

>>2863306
I know that not what I or you was talking about though

Anonymous 09-07-26 22:07:37 No.2863315

~~>>2863302~~
empire of brazil? hello? if south america doesn't want to centralize with north americans because of recent prior history thats fine albeit a bit nationalist but dont give some lame excuse like there being too many historical differences for it to be possible

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 09-07-26 22:08:07 No.2863316

~~>>2863303~~
>”There was this girl I forgot about until you said not all Native Americans were Maoist third worldists.”
>”She was Palestinian (which is basically the same thing) and her family was killed by Israel.”
>”She didn’t say ‘Death to Amerikkka’ but *I* can tell she totally would. She’d also be really offended by the fact you met a Native American wearing a flag tank top.”
>”Anyways, this is basically my super villain origin story. Society MADE me this way, man! Society!”

Glownonymous 09-07-26 22:10:02 No.2863319

~~>>2863307~~
Why is leftypol connected to getchan? I see nothing wrong with dropping it tbh
~~>>2863302~~
Culture continues to move and humanity will be united eventually. Why insist the past means permanent separation forever?

Glownonymous 09-07-26 22:16:14 No.2863324

>>2863264
>it created the concept of "Indian Status", which came with a whole host of restrictions such as barring them from voting, leaving the reservation without permission,
I think it is funny how many expressions we have in American English like "going off the reservation" and "sell someone down the river(Missippi)." I only learned the "uyghur in the woodpile" because bongs apparently still say it but I never heard that one in America.

Oh yeah also "free, White, and Forever 21." Paul Mooney said that expression says everything about America.

Glownonymous 09-07-26 22:22:01 No.2863328

>>2863324
Oh yeah "Indian giver" " Indian summer" those are especially ironic.

Glownonymous 09-07-26 22:25:09 No.2863333

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~~>>2863329~~
~~>>2863330~~
~~>>2863327~~
Why do you only have one scat porn pic and why are you akways just trying to get the tor node disabled?

Anonymous 09-07-26 22:27:53 No.2863335

>>2863333
Platner loosing makes socdem uyghas act up

Glownonymous 09-07-26 22:32:14 No.2863340

~~>>2863337~~
Did the girl in your story also eat da poo poo?

Glownonymous 09-07-26 22:40:32 No.2863346

~~>>2863344~~
But did she eat da poo poo?

Anonymous 09-07-26 23:01:34 No.2863366

I hide all ur posts

Anonymous 09-07-26 23:03:19 No.2863367

>The pedophile moderators have deleted my testimony of crimes against humanity i ve witnessed against palestinian.
I hope she sees this bro. You should send her some screencaps of your good work fighting for Palestinian liberation ITT.

Anonymous 09-07-26 23:04:59 No.2863370

Motherfucker has more VPNs and still had to get the tor node disabled. SMDH my damn head.

Anonymous 09-07-26 23:11:54 No.2863373

~~>>2863372~~
He just hates anonymity. He wants to do everything in his power to get the tor node disabled every day.

Anonymous 09-07-26 23:22:22 No.2863377

world cup status?

Anonymous 09-07-26 23:25:45 No.2863379

>>2863377
Americans lost interest. France just beat Morroco handily. Egypt and Colombia almost won but didn't. I think it's only Euros(and Argentina) left so it's not fun anymore.

Anonymous 09-07-26 23:27:44 No.2863382

~~>>2863378~~
>The zionist pedophiles are banning me and deleting the evidence of their crimes on average of 25 seconds. Glued to their screens, meanwhile i turn on and off airplane mode posting in 5 seconds so relaxingly and while the epstein moderators mald at facing the truth of what they are.
I can't even post on my regular ISP or cell internet because DATACENTER NODE. If what you say is true they really suck for not rangebanning your ISP.

Anonymous 10-07-26 00:08:31 No.2863394

~~>>2863392~~
A better question is where are the meds at.

Anonymous 10-07-26 00:09:08 No.2863395

>>2863382
bro is literally a glowie with infinite money wrecking this place

Anonymous 10-07-26 00:51:04 No.2863415

Palestinian girl in your classroom status?

Anonymous 10-07-26 00:55:20 No.2863416

~~>>2863411~~
It’s me, a whole new person for you to hate! Allende Poster!

Anonymous 10-07-26 00:56:30 No.2863417

>>2863395
There’s literally no way Felix isn’t a glowie. Even Thingnoticer took breaks.

Anonymous 10-07-26 00:58:07 No.2863418

>>2863367
NGL a Palestinian woman filing a restraining order against a white third-worldist would be some deeply poetic irony

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 10-07-26 01:09:26 No.2863423

Given the, what, multi-hour long spergout from the dude I’d like to put forward again just making third worldism a banned tendency on here and maybe making a filter for Maoist Standard English.

It might sound harsh but I guarantee that the discussions on here would improve dramatically. Shit the website might even grow without third worldists sperging out 24/7

Anonymous 10-07-26 01:09:45 No.2863424

>>2863309
imagine still watching J*mmy D*re in the current year.

Anonymous ## Mod 10-07-26 01:12:13 No.2863426

File: 1783645932420-5.mp4 (149.42 KB, 720x720, ovAQf764cimpsw8y.mp4)

purge implemented, report any leakage

Anonymous 10-07-26 01:15:15 No.2863428

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>>2863423
>making a filter for Maoist Standard English.
I don't think they stick to any consistent spelling. This website even has a dynamic Mao intensity slider.
https://maosite.neocities.org/

Maoist-TWist should be recognized in the DSM lol.

Anonymous 10-07-26 01:15:51 No.2863429

>>2863017
>>2863308
>>2863310
or just use the word "egalitarian" which already exists, has many of the same connotations, doesn't require you to go into "but which TYPE of it", and is a lot less prone to people trying to sneak in bullshit.

Anonymous 10-07-26 01:37:48 No.2863435

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>>2863428
Lol based

Anonymous 10-07-26 01:40:14 No.2863436

Explosive Diarrhea JDPON

Anonymous 10-07-26 01:41:52 No.2863437

Whitney Webb has 700,000 Twitter followers, her books on Amazon have over 4000 reviews between with 4.7 stars and she constantly does interviews getting hundreds of thousands of views yet glow up wikipedia won't give her a page

Joe rogan will also never interview her

Anonymous 10-07-26 01:50:34 No.2863439

>>2863043
this organisation was literally created by the mafia

Anonymous 10-07-26 02:08:50 No.2863443

>>2863423
I think we should ban strasserite tendencies and cracker-communisms on the basis that they're tight wing ideologies

CommuniARYAN 10-07-26 02:13:20 No.2863445

>>2863435
Lol

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 10-07-26 02:19:32 No.2863447

>>2863428
I think a lot of it is attention seeking behavior, if they have to talk normally suddenly it becomes less fun for them

Anonymous 10-07-26 02:20:38 No.2863448

>>2863437
Who?

Anonymous 10-07-26 02:23:46 No.2863450

>>2863107
>The only thing you built was crime syndicates here.
>It won’t really convince them of the error of their ways, but the freak out would be funny.
The problem is Italian Americans are really proud of being mobsters lol. That's not something they feel any shame over. I've seen so many comments like:
>If this was back in the old days, the REAL FUCKIN ITALIANS would had this commie finook whacked!

CommuniARYAN 10-07-26 02:23:59 No.2863451

>>2863447
No it’s just funny inside humour you won’t get it

Anonymous 10-07-26 02:33:52 No.2863452

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>>2863450
< Over the past 5 years, I kept asking myself "where's the mob, gangs, hells angels, etc". In my youth they didn't let anyone move in on their territories. I was surprised they weren't in the news.

> Hey Michael I agree with you I am Cuban so nobody can tell me nothing about Socialism or communism my country is completely destroyed

Lol Italians and Cubans in a race to see who can be the absolute worst diaspora in America.

Anonymous 10-07-26 02:35:53 No.2863453

>>2863439
In NYC I don't think there's a single organization that isn't, wasn't, hasn't been, related, created, backed, supported, integrated (by), worked (with), associated, belonged to the italian mafia.
lawl.

Anonymous 10-07-26 02:37:38 No.2863454

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>>2863450
>>2863452
holly shit man. can that rhetoric question even be made?
that's literally saying they want the mafia to kill the mayor.

Anonymous 10-07-26 02:52:31 No.2863457

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>>2863454
Ayyy it's a free country! Can't even make veiled death threats in this country anymore? Mama mia!

https://xcancel.com/MichaelFranzese/status/1986604005418803650#m

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 10-07-26 02:58:26 No.2863459

>>2863457
Love the genre of dudes who ratted to the feds selling books like: “Da Mobstah’s Guide to Business” or “Mafia rules for life”

Invariably there’ll be shit about “muh loyalty” there too.

Anonymous 10-07-26 03:00:42 No.2863460

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>Somehow in the city known for Frank Sinatra, the Mafia, and pizza by-the-slice, its mayor forgot about its Italian heritage.
There is something just fucking mentally fucked about Italians. Those movies made them go crazy. LMAO imagine if it was Black Americans complaining about not getting recognition in Los Angeles and they were like.
>In a city known for drive-bys, Crips and Bloods, and gang graffiti, its mayor forgot about its Black heritage.
I guess that's literally all Italians got going on. Crime and pizza. I guess thanks for your contribution to the melting pot fucking wops.

Anonymous 10-07-26 03:01:00 No.2863461

>>2863459
i fucking hate this kind of content and the people who consume it, it should be illegal to make shitloads of money talking about your previous crimes

Anonymous 10-07-26 03:04:57 No.2863462

>>2863460
This is why Goodfellas is a superior mob movie to The Godfather. It doesn't portray them as cool or honourable, they're just a bunch of backstabbing violent drug addicted degenerates.

Anonymous 10-07-26 03:08:35 No.2863463

>>2863459
This is the description for the video lol:
>>2863450
>In this video, I explain why my old crew would never back defunding police or Marxist policies, how our neighborhood code demanded law and order, and what would happen if we let a communist marshal our streets. Get ready for an insider’s look at the principles that once ruled the underworld—and why they’d move heaven and earth to stop this mayor.
Defund the police? The mafia love funding the police. We paid more money to police officers than the entire NYPD Pension Fund! Italians never get no fucking respect for what they did for this country! Operation Gladio? Italian patriots won the fucking cold war! Get outta here!

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 10-07-26 03:08:50 No.2863464

>>2863460
See the admiration for the mafia is because they created some whole myth about them being socially conservative and having some bullshit “honor code”. Like The Godfather—while an excellent film—creates this warped conception of them. Other media basically reduces the mafia to like bizarre Robin Hood types and convinced a bunch of suburbanite losers that if they were in the right place at the right time they would’ve gotten blood money from the mob cause like “well I’d cover for a mobster running from the cops”.

Like these are the type of people to post a bunch of Italians in suits and then some black guys wearing casual clothes and say “CRIMINALS USED TO HAVE CLASS”

Anonymous 10-07-26 03:24:00 No.2863465

>>2863460
They all fucked off to New Jersey when my grandparents showed up. Then burned The Bronx down, idgaf. Mamdani is talking about now, not 1940.

Anonymous 10-07-26 03:39:50 No.2863467

>>2863457
If anything its an endorsement they were more parasitic that regular bourgeoise and thats saying something

Anonymous 10-07-26 03:43:29 No.2863468

Is it the 3rd red scare yet or does that come later

Anonymous 10-07-26 03:43:32 No.2863469

>>2863467
they were the reason unions have such a bad rep

Anonymous 10-07-26 03:52:14 No.2863470

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The Flock war is heating up.

Anonymous 10-07-26 04:10:57 No.2863471

>>2863450
/ISG/ larp
>>2863453
this isn't the 60s anymore

Anonymous 10-07-26 04:14:11 No.2863472

>>2863459
>Invariably there’ll be shit about “muh loyalty” there too.
you wooden unda stan

Anonymous 10-07-26 04:25:59 No.2863474

>>2863462
it's also why full metal jacket is a more honest depiction of US soldiers than apocalypse now. and Coppola directed both Apocalypse Now and the Godfather.

Anonymous 10-07-26 05:40:18 No.2863477

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maduro rots in US prison while this happens

Anonymous 10-07-26 06:10:46 No.2863479

>>2863112
AY IT'S JOE LIGOTTI DA GAIY FROM BAWSTUN BABEY

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 10-07-26 06:20:38 No.2863480

>>2863468
There are some older folks in the Communist Party and I don't think anything we got today compares to what they went through. I believe one comrade who died a couple years back was literally tortured for union organizing in LatAm, you'd have people thrown out of their home, abandoned by their families, losing their jobs, all for saying they were Communists. Like in the previous red scares, being publicly known as a Communist could get you killed.

I don't think what we have today comes close to that.

Anonymous 10-07-26 07:18:58 No.2863483

>>2863457
Lumpenbourg criminals are anticommunist? Does a bear shit in the woods?

Anonymous 10-07-26 07:40:06 No.2863486

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The thoughts I chose to believe that are galloping in his brain:
>strange warmth… Did I poopoo or did I peepee?
>what was the name of that 14 yo I raped that summer in 94?
>god, how do I miss epstein
>mmm the fart smells sour.
>look at all those boot-licking morons believing I'll fix shit, lol, lmao even.

Anonymous 10-07-26 08:18:36 No.2863489

>>2863460
>LMAO imagine if it was Black Americans complaining about not getting recognition in Los Angeles and they were like
>In a city known for drive-bys, Crips and Bloods, and gang graffiti, its mayor forgot about its Black heritage.
Better music to thug out to. West Coast make some noise.

Anonymous 10-07-26 08:46:55 No.2863495

>>2863457
lol wtf happened to code of silence? people used to say the mafia does not exist and it was all hollywood exagerrations. people used to get whacked for tattling.

>>2863459
it reminded me a little bit how you get ex-CIA agents peddling courses on how to learn tradecraft to improve your life and business skills

Anonymous 10-07-26 10:12:58 No.2863508

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https://edition.cnn.com/2026/07/09/business/trump-freedom-fuel-stations

Seems like some kind of effort to keep fuel prices down for just a bit longer before the strategic reserves completely run out. Trump admin is claiming these aren't government subsidies at work but something run by private sector actors. Except there's zero public information on who is running things.

Anonymous 10-07-26 10:19:27 No.2863509

>>2863477
Hopefully she gets assassinated by her people

Anonymous 10-07-26 10:39:47 No.2863512

>>2863006

Friendly Reminder, the whole TWister Vs. Treatler spam is nothing but barely concealed /pol/tard wrecking to make leftists look shitty.

Anonymous 10-07-26 10:54:50 No.2863514

>>2863424
Imagine still not watching Due Dissidence in the current year.

Anonymous 10-07-26 12:31:14 No.2863544

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Anonymous 10-07-26 13:35:37 No.2863554

>Opinion: If I were a non-Jew, I would today prioritize opposition to antisemitism, as I prioritized Black, feminist, and gay issues as a non-Black, non-woman, and non-gay civil rights advocate back in the day.
take a guess on who wrote this, you might be right

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-901842

Anonymous 10-07-26 13:36:02 No.2863555

>>2863508
i mean it in an academic sense that freedom fuel and trump getting credit for wal mart lowering prices is like 3rd reich nonsense. Private capital working for the regime willingly and accepting and enabling their interventions into the market as necessary in the overall reactionary project

Anonymous 10-07-26 13:36:07 No.2863556

>>2863474
I honestly thought that the US military came off a lot worse in Apocalypse Now than in Full Metal Jacket. I don't recall them committing any war crimes in FMJ, but in Apocalypse Now they obliterate an entire village and Martin Sheen just murders a wounded unarmed woman point blank.

Anonymous 10-07-26 13:38:11 No.2863557

>>2863468
Technically McCarthyism was the third red scare I think. First was the Red Summer of 1919, second was during the Depression, third was the 50s.

Anonymous 10-07-26 13:39:48 No.2863558

>>2863555
>Private capital working for the regime willingly and accepting and enabling their interventions into the market as necessary in the overall reactionary project
correct, but that's the norm in countries across the globe. complete free market freedom for porky in america was a historical anomaly

Anonymous 10-07-26 13:41:58 No.2863559

>>2863555
also the fact that these two things indicate a consciousness about price control policy really shows the level of maneuverability the regime is willing to engage in. they are not hamstrung by libertarian thinking anymore if it gets in the way. They aren't just going to sit there like Hoover while the support melts out from underneath them clinging to orthodox liberal economics. like the 3rd reichs job creation policies during the depression these measures are probably half assed and not enough to actually improve a problem, 90% propoganda 5% results 5% taking credit for stuff they didn't do, but this is really a troubling a sign to me that we are in for a longer ride with Trump's admin than just 2 years.

Anonymous 10-07-26 13:50:50 No.2863564

>>2863554

Anonymous 10-07-26 13:51:26 No.2863565

>>2863559
i 100% agree, its disheartening to see america demonstrate a capacity for change. to me, fascist hitlerite populists are more likely to seize power in places that are falling behind relative to other global powers and are incapable of change and unable to rule in the old way, like germany or south korea

Anonymous 10-07-26 13:53:42 No.2863566

>>2863565
change itself isn't bad but in this case it shows that this admin is intending to survive by any means necessary

Anonymous 10-07-26 13:58:19 No.2863569

>>2863554
I personally find it frustrating to see endless fear mongering articles about anti-semitism being a big problem, when there are a bunch of real laws on the book that I could point at specifically restricting the freedom of gay-people, LGBT people, legalizing the discrimination and profiling of anybody that looks Latino, and you could even argue anti-women restrictions depending on how you categorize abortion bounty laws. There is not one single solitary law reducing the rights and freedom of Jews I can think of. I know real people that eat this shit up, working themselves into a panic at some mean posts they saw online or signs at a protest when their actual Nuremberg style laws on other groups of people that they probably have never even thought.

Dershowitz is a complete goofball; luckily I think he will be stuck preaching to an increasingly smaller choir for the rest of his life as the epstein connection will delegitimize him to anyone else for the rest of time.

Anonymous 10-07-26 13:58:58 No.2863570

>>2863566
I wonder if they'll give up taiwan

Anonymous 10-07-26 14:36:49 No.2863581

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Protestants are weird. They want to burn down Catholic Churches because they are idolatrous, yet they will support Donald Trump. Truly the "spirit of capitalism", as Weber says.

Anonymous 10-07-26 14:38:46 No.2863582

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Anonymous 10-07-26 14:46:55 No.2863583

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>>2863556
There are war crimes in FMJ. A helicopter machine gunner shoots civilians for fun. The movie is really about a bunch of stuff involving psychosexual exploitation and humiliation where the soldiers get degraded by their drill instructor, call their rifles girly names while singing about Eskimo pussy, then have sex with prostitutes before getting their balls blown off by a female sniper.

Anonymous 10-07-26 14:56:09 No.2863586

>>2863583
Why does DI have soldiers grabbing their crotch when they are marching and singing with rifles in barracks?

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:00:07 No.2863590

>>2863586
It's a kind of sexual abuse to dehumanize them and turn them into killers.

Apocalypse Now otoh is an adaptation of Heart of Darkness. That's more literary darkness of the human soul stuff. I think FMJ is uglier but also more interesting to me conceptually. A lot of that sick sex exploitation stuff in war propaganda. It takes on a pornographic character. It's on both sides of the Russia-Ukraine war where the Russian side had that ad like "don't be a faggot" and there's a guy thrusting his cupcake underwear in your face, while if you ever look at NAFO comments on X there's a lot of vulgar sexual innuendo.

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:02:15 No.2863591

>>2863583
Ah yeah I forgot about the helicopter scene, but even there Joker was put off by it, whereas nobody bats an eye in Apocalypse Now when they annihilate a village.
>>2863590
We really haven't evolved much beyond the stage of raiding the neighbouring cave and bonking their women on the head so we can bring them back to our cave.

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:05:40 No.2863593

I missed the thirdie worldist mautists spergout yesterday :(. Luckily the zionist pedophile jannies banned him on site.

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:29:43 No.2863605

>>2863591
>Ah yeah I forgot about the helicopter scene, but even there Joker was put off by it
not because he's a good guy, but because it bothers him personally. that's the message. it's less that he feels for the civilians and more that the overkill way his fellow americans act repulses him personally. private joker is a lib. he went into war journalism. his goal is to make the war look good for public relations and here you have these guys with no sense of it.

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:32:08 No.2863606

>>2863486
all true minus caring about the name of someone he raped in 94

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:36:00 No.2863609

honkoid status?

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:36:09 No.2863610

>>2863555
> Private capital working for the regime willingly and accepting and enabling their interventions into the market as necessary in the overall reactionary project
this is why reformists are delusional. capitalists will only let the most clownish reactionaries do reforms . They'll bock/sabotage anyone else so that their precious "approval" ratings drop. The political thinking of the median voter is "would I want to have a beer with him" and "did he Get Stuff Done (tm)". Regarding the latter question, they don't really look at whether the leftoid reformist candidate gets sabotaged or not. They just say "leftoids are commie lunatics who can't Make Deals And Get Stuff Done"

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:38:05 No.2863611

>>2863569
Antisemitism is a problem irrespective of whether Jews are actually threatened by it because it's a good index of antisocial retardation present in cultural discourse, just like other forms of bigotry. While Dersh is obviously full of shit in accusing the Left of being its primary vehicle, it does need to be considered in our context as well because I at least don't want to stand side by side with national socialist reactionaries who think they're leftists. I found this video to be decent in terms explaining of how antisemitism figures on the left today. See also Moishe Postone's writings on reactionary anti-capitalism and antisemitism. If you indulge atavistic, bigoted, or anti-Marxist stances from your own side, you might get burned later.

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:43:23 No.2863616

>>2863610
>else so that their precious "approval" ratings drop. The political thinking of the median voter is "would I want to have a beer with him" and "did he Get Stuff Done (tm)"
The median voter cares more about infidelity than either of those things. Passing the beer test didn't save platty

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:48:01 No.2863618

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>>2863611
big facts. very easy to fall into that trap

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:48:38 No.2863619

>>2863616
plaptard dropped out. voter reaction had jack shit to do with it. I'm basing my conjecture admittedly on a conversation I had with a trumptard. basically reactionaries see the left getting sabotaged either as a good thing, or they view it as a sign they were too weak to hold power. If you get CIA coup'd, if the capitalists sabotage your term in office, if you are unable to pass the reforms you promise because all of bourgeois parliament was united in making sure that didn't happen… then it's basically your fault. Your tires being slashed means you're a bad driver. Someone slashing your tires while you sleep means you didn't make the right deals with the right people, so you're weak and deserved it. This is literally how normie Americans think because they believe in Might Makes Right and teaming up with teh worst people. This all traces to the national philosophy of US America being Charles Sanders Peirce's Pragmatism instead of Karl Marx's Dialectical Materialism.

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:51:59 No.2863625

>>2863611
>>2863618
it's just tailing the retards because you'd rather a large army of reactionary cattle than a small army of dedicated communists

funnily enough engels said around 1890 that anti semitism is "feudal socialism" and "reactionary socialism" and "proof that a country doesn't have enough capital in it." which is a quote that is funny but also shows its age.

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:55:27 No.2863630

>>2863619
>plaptard dropped out. voter reaction had jack shit to do with it.
his ratings went down 6 points in a single day and well below collins, if nobody had given a shit he would've had no reason to leave

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:55:28 No.2863631

>>2863610 (me)
>>2863619 (me)
one more thing… reformism's dedication to "nonviolence" actually makes it more violent in the long run. since you constantly have to "Get Things Done" by "Making Deals" with shitty reactionaries, you just take part in kneecapped-by-design legislation which results in social murder of the masses in the long term. People don't get the stuff they really needed because you were too busy watering things down to make them "reasonable" only for it to not pass anyway.

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:56:26 No.2863633

>>2863630
meh. ratings fluctuate during a race. people forget quick. especially if you double down and don't act guilty. Trump had the pussy grabbing audio drop right before November 2016

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:56:38 No.2863634

>>2863611
>>2863625
this is great stuff. i'd also say trying to tail/merge with reactionary anti-semites or other kinds of bigots shows a degree of cowardice in modern america. I think there are some who see the money, support, and capacity for violence on the right and the sympathetic treatment they get from the state and now recently formal integration with the state and see some appeal in not being a target. like "if i can get these nazis to side with us they become an aid instead of an obstacle that I experience doubt about being able to overcome"

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:57:32 No.2863635

>>2863605
Fair point, but I still don't think Apocalypse Now is comparable to the Godfather in the way it treats its subject. I don't think anybody could really come away from Apocalypse Now with a positive view of the US military or the Vietnam War, and iirc it was one of the few American war films that the Pentagon refused to support.

Anonymous 10-07-26 15:59:55 No.2863637

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Anonymous 10-07-26 16:02:13 No.2863640

>>2863583
the lady they kill at the end is essentially a prisoner they summarily execute, and you can see the contrast between them and her. They are products of a system, they don't understand the conflict in which they are fighting or who they are fighting but have been subjected to physical and sexual violence until they become tools of the system and kill for it. She is a human being fighting for clear reasons that she understands and would be understandable to anyone in her situation, but these kids have been reduced to a point where they can't comprehend anything about her as a person and just see an object or a hated target.

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:02:49 No.2863642

>>2863635
> I don't think anybody could really come away from Apocalypse Now with a positive view of the US military or the Vietnam War, and iirc it was one of the few American war films that the Pentagon refused to support.

Jarheads aren't film critics. If they're shown a war movie in basic training they will clap like seals

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:03:51 No.2863645

>>2863642
Yes well, no accounting for retards.

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:07:54 No.2863646

>>2863637
Tbh I'm not sure I see the appeal of switching from a presidential to a parliamentary system. Really seems like a lateral move at best. At worst it's probably less democratic because it forces you to cast a single vote for the legislature and executive. Appellate court judges should also be chosen by sortition to depoliticize them as much as possible.

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:10:43 No.2863650

>>2863645
regarding the above scene btw, it's funny that they literally made a Gulf War version of the "Two Minutes Hate" scene from 1984 and people STILL don't get it lol

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:12:26 No.2863651

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>>2863646
it's all fantasy anyway. succdems will suggest the most tepid reforms, screeching reactoids will say communists hate freedom and are trying to take your hamburger, ad nauseum, ad infinitum

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:14:39 No.2863652

>>2863611
Of course I agree people engaging in anti-semitic speech are not our allies under any conditions; any attempt to find common ground with them is an extremely stupid move to say the least. I just think no matter how much history there is behind a form of bigotry, no matter how many random nazi whackjobs shoot up a synagogue, that cannot be considered of an equal threat level to forms of bigotry against other marginalized groups that are currently backed up and legitimized by the force of government laws. I wanted to provide the reality check that there is actual concerning federal discrimination existing in America, something that at least for the forseeable future of this administration has 0 chance of being turned on Jews (unless maybe they are communist Jews?).

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:28:43 No.2863659

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Social democracy? Preening arrogance! Starting pointless wars and turning twitter into a government propaganda app? Well deserved wins!

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:29:14 No.2863660

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Zohran Mamdani is truly a man of the people treatlers.

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:29:59 No.2863661

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>>2863652
>no matter how many random nazi whackjobs shoot up a synagogue,

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:34:26 No.2863666

>>2863659
well if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes truth by osmosis, especially when you have a nation of people taught to despise all forms of critical thought and to embrace as many reactionary frameworks as possible

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:34:28 No.2863667

>>2863646
What I'm going to say will probably be unpopular, but a lot of leftists from other countries don't understand that every single aspect of the design of the American electoral system overwhelmingly favors a two-party system. I think that if a viable independent socialist party is actually to last in America, major reforms are needed, although I admit I have no idea if these would do it.

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:41:52 No.2863675

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>>2863667
>every single aspect of the design of the American electoral system overwhelmingly favors a two-party system
and you aren't going to get the reformists who are inside of those parties to vote away the system that favors them. so revolution is the only option. but people are afraid of that and not nearly organized enough for it.

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:50:24 No.2863683

In case anyone is interested, on /lit/ we have a monthly writing competition—if you think you are creative and want to give it a shot why not submit something?
https://boards.4chan.org/lit/thread/25378611/lwc-lit-writing-competition-jul-2026

Typically people write between 1000 and 2500 words. The requirements are:
-Character: Journeys to a dangerous place of their own accord
-Theme: Transmission
Check out the thread for more info on how to submit.

You have until Monday https://countingdownto.com/?c=7236533

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:51:03 No.2863685

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>>2863666
He's doing an anti-Italian discrimination I tells ya! Fuggettaboutit!

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:54:15 No.2863689

>>2863637
Considering Congress's approval rating hasn't hit 40% in over 2 decades, I'm not so sure ending them is as big of a deal-breaker that Mike thinks it is

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:55:08 No.2863690

>>2863675
People need to stop thinking of the reform vs revolution question as an issue of strategy and more as an objective reality. It's not a question of choosing one or the other approach, but rather which one is objectively within the realm of possibility. Consider a society in which the socialist movement is entirely and exclusively composed of revolutionaries, with no reformist wing whatsoever. Even in that situation, if the state of the economy and bourgeois leadership is such that they are capable of implementing reforms sufficient to blunt class contradictions and prevent revolution, then any remotely competent leadership will do so even if there is not a single reformist among the socialists. Once that happens it will simply sap the revolutionary movement and have the same effect as a successful campaign by social democrats. On the flip side, if you have a socialist movement entirely composed of reformists, but in a society completely incapable of reform, then that movement will very quickly be radicalized and the result will be revolution. People talk as if there would have been a revolution in Western Europe had the reformists not swept in and rescued the situation for capital, but I'd argue that outside of a few exceptions where things sat on a knife edge (e.g. Germany from 1918-1933), the fact that reform was a possibility at all essentially made revolution impossible. Even in the German case, what ultimately resolved the deadlock of the Weimar period was first fascism, and then the postwar boom and Marshall Plan.

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:56:03 No.2863691

>>2863675
I would say I agree with you, the DSA will likely fail to force these reforms to happen no matter how much electoral success they have. But it's not really surprising that the democratic socialist organization is looking to advocate for reforms that will allow the masses to VOOTE their way to socialism, isn't that kind of what they do?

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:56:49 No.2863692

nu ben

What is the US strategy in its war against Iran? Is the Trump administration seriously committed to negotiations to make a deal? JD Vance accidentally exposed the USA's plan, to use the talks to buy time to refill oil reserves and stabilize the economy. Ben Norton explains.

Topics
0:00 US negotiations with Iran
0:56 Trump considers restarting war
1:46 Strait of Hormuz
3:37 Israel and Lebanon
5:02 JD Vance exposes US strategy
6:27 (CLIP) JD Vance on Iran
7:31 Oil market
8:22 Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR)
10:24 (CLIP) Trump on oil reserves
10:52 US strategy
11:56 Iran's strategy
13:12 USA violates agreements
14:18 Iran's economic nuclear weapon
15:24 Oil price
16:14 Parallels to Ukraine war
21:41 New Iranian government
25:55 USA lost. The war backfired
28:00 Outro

Anonymous 10-07-26 16:58:19 No.2863694

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>>2863690
no fedlix is right it's time to blow up mgdonalgs until treatlers chimp out

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:01:43 No.2863699

>>2863692
>JD Vance accidentally exposed the USA's plan, to use the talks to buy time to refill oil reserves and stabilize the economy

JDPON Vance

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:02:45 No.2863700

>>2863690
>>2863675
I don't know how many times I can repeat this point before you guys can understand that for Marx and Engels, 'revolution' is not a synonym for 'insurrection' and they were in favor of "reformism." It's crazy, you guys have just latched on to this misconception so fiercely it's impossible for you to reevaluate it.

>In our midst there has been formed a group advocating the workers' abstention from political action. We have considered it our duty to declare how dangerous and fatal for our cause such principles appear to be.

>Someday the worker must seize political power in order to build up the new organization of labor; he must overthrow the old politics which sustain the old institutions, if he is not to lose Heaven on Earth, like the old Christians who neglected and despised politics.

>But we have not asserted that the ways to achieve that goal are everywhere the same.

>You know that the institutions, mores, and traditions of various countries must be taken into consideration, and we do not deny that there are countries – such as America, England, and if I were more familiar with your institutions, I would perhaps also add Holland – where the workers can attain their goal by peaceful means. This being the case, we must also recognize the fact that in most countries on the Continent the lever of our revolution must be force; it is force to which we must some day appeal in order to erect the rule of labor.

Revolution means to completely change the system. You know the word revolution right? Like they talk about the "industrial revolution" right? It didn't mean that industrialists fought an armed conflict.

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:04:17 No.2863702

>>2863700
Even if that's the case, historical experience has yet to produce a successful transition to socialism through reform.

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:10:26 No.2863706

>>2863700
Well for me Marx and Engels aren't infallible beings, they were just particularly smart men for the time they lived in. I don't really care if their definition of revolution contains reforms in it. Like Sabo says historical experience has yet to produce a successful transition to socialism through reform. Even slavery had to be abolished by war in the USA, even though it was abolished by legal decrees in the British Empire. I am aware that multiple historical paths are possible. We can all quote Marx and Engels saying something that supports our position because they thought a lot of things and wrote a lot of things over the course of several decades. One day Engels will praise co-ops and gradual reforms. Another day Engels will say revolution is the most Authoritarian thing there is. One day Marx will brag to his uncle about buying stocks to "steal money from the enemy" another day Marx will say "when our day comes we will make no excuses for the terror." I love those guys but they aren't perfect and I don't advise using an appeal to their authority as the final say. I think what actually happens in reality is always the final say.

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:12:10 No.2863707

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Damn that's crazy, I wonder how Iran would respond if we assassinated THEIR leader?

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:13:22 No.2863710

>>2863694
>no fedlix is right it's time to blow up mgdonalgs

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:14:46 No.2863711

>>2863702
>>2863706
insurrection doesn't have any record of success either in the developed countries of this world either. At the same time I won't claim that all the failed insurrectionists are the reason reforms haven't worked thus far either. I think it's rather silly how the pro-insurrection crowd always try to claim that successfully extracting concessions is what made all the attempted insurrectionist movements fail.

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:17:38 No.2863712

>>2863711
you seem to have me confused with the nipple-TWisters who say that you gotta blow everything up but also you are evil and want treats. i'm not like that. i just don't think you can reform your way out of this situation because look at the system. like just look at it. you can elect succdems but they will just get sabotaged by the bourgeoisie, treated as the second coming of lenin, which is laughable, and then abandoned by their voters when they don't "get stuff done" or "make deals"

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:21:56 No.2863713

>>2863712
>and then abandoned by their voters when they don't "get stuff done" or "make deals"
I think getting things done, something, anything, is what will actually drive people to support the revolution. I don't think failure inspires anyone as I guess is the Lenin theory. Communists should market them more on that. Tell people, communists got you the five day work week, communists got you labor protections, child labor laws, mandatory and free schooling for children. Communism is when you make life better for the workers.

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:29:37 No.2863718

>>2863711
That's because developed countries have historically had the capability to absorb worker demands without changing the mode of production. That's sort of the point I'm trying to make. Socialist transformation only happens when a society isn't capable of sublating class antagonism with some sort of compromise. Progress via reformist means inevitably produces a situation where the bourgeoisie clearly see that democracy and liberalism have become greater obstacles than benefits to their power, and so they move to abolish them with fascism. To expect them to do anything else would either require them to have some sort of respect for democracy, human rights, and social justice (lmao), or else to politically checkmate them so thoroughly that they can immediately see any move towards fascism as doomed to fail. Maybe some countries could transition to socialism through the latter means, but I think this could only happen in a situation where much of the world is already socialist, and willing to intervene against such a fascist takeover.

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:33:24 No.2863719

>>2863713
> Communism is when you make life better for the workers.
we already do that. the problem is the rich own the media so their message "communism is going to take away your hamburger and make your wife into collective property" gets a lot more airtime. also they literally flood the internet with LLMs now who pretend to be communist and respond "this but unironically, we're gonna fuckin rape you treatlers"

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:35:19 No.2863720

USS Liberty Survivor Reveals What Really Happened the Day Israel Attacked & the Lies Covering It Up

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:36:24 No.2863722

>>2863718
Well like this anon pointed out the slavery example:
>>2863706
> Even slavery had to be abolished by war in the USA, even though it was abolished by legal decrees in the British Empire
It was the reactionaries who started the war and the abolitionists who won. Yes, they saw that the tides were turning against them in the realm of democracy, so they picked the war route and then lost. I admire John Brown, and I think in the whole chain of events, he and the other insurrectionist abolitionists probably moved the needle forward and were key to the South deciding to launch their own insurrection, but at the end of the day, all the insurrections failed, both the abolitionist and pro-slavery insurrections.

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:38:21 No.2863724

>>2863722
I think people who fail at a revolution or movement as martyrs or even just overtly humialting themselves due to lack of resources, talent or lack of opportunities can serve as inspiration and a source of ideas for the next group that gets something done when a better opportunity comes and more resources

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:43:23 No.2863727

>>2863722
not to be too pedantic but the south did secession, not merely insurrection. they declared themselves a separate country, and launched attacks against fort sumter which they framed as an attack on an "occupying force". Then after they lost they framed the war as "Northern aggression" lol

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:45:19 No.2863728

>>2863724
"fail fast fail frequently" works when failing isn't fatal. failure is an opportunity to learn for the force who owns the failure. Sure other people can learn through your failures vicariously but they have to want to. more often than not however the key takeaway when others see you fail will be apathy and resignation, rather than searching for better strategies.

Anonymous 10-07-26 17:50:18 No.2863731

The ending of Full Metal Jacket goes hard. MICKEY MOUSE!

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:02:57 No.2863736

>Platner collapse completes John Fetterman’s break from Sanders socialists
–FOX
>>>PLATNER COLLAPSE

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:04:30 No.2863738

>>2863718
>developed countries have historically had the capability to absorb worker demands without changing the mode of production.
<developed
You mean imperialist

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:06:43 No.2863740

>>2863738
Not strictly, since some imperialist countries failed at thus, mainly Russia.

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:07:27 No.2863741

>>2863738
>You must remember that our Soviet land is impoverished after many years of trial and suffering, and has no socialist France or socialist England as neighbours which could help us with their highly developed technology and their highly developed industry. Bear that in mind! We must remember that at present all their highly developed technology and their highly developed industry belong to the capitalists, who are fighting us.

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:08:32 No.2863743

>>2863738
some developed countries aren't imperialist or even are victims of imperialism despite their high level of development. Nobody would call DPRK imperialist yet they have nuclear weapons, computers, and an electrical grid despite languishing under US sanctions.

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:08:39 No.2863745

>>2863740
Russia has never been “imperialist” retard

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:09:11 No.2863747

I'm tired of the moralist zingerism. Even if you're not as bad as the worst of the TWisters it's all in the same vein.

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:13:29 No.2863753

>>2863745
>In Russia, capitalist imperialism of the latest type has fully revealed itself in the policy of tsarism towards Persia, Manchuria and Mongolia; but, in general, military and feudal imperialism predominates in Russia.
http://www.marx2mao.com/Lenin/SW15.html

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:17:25 No.2863755

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>>2863652
>that cannot be considered of an equal threat level to forms of bigotry against other marginalized groups
Yes but to echo what pancakeanon said, I think that's more of a liberal framework when looking at it in terms of the priorities of the politics involved. A lot of the discourse around antisemitism in the U.S. is through this liberal frame of equal citizens and also we shouldn't be prejudiced. Not that liberals are wrong for wanting to eliminate bigotry but it tends to come up short. What we're saying is that antisemitism is really a problem because it offers up an alternative to socialism (or it's kind of feudal socialism or reactionary socialism or retard socialism). Antisemitism is a reactionary ideology and systemic framwork for explaining why social problems exist, why we lost the war, or why Jimmy Neutron isn't what he used to be, or whatever it is.

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:19:16 No.2863756

>>2863745
He's literally talking about the Russian empire during the period of Lenin, not Soviet Russia or the Russian federation.

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:20:09 No.2863758

>>2863756
*during the period of Lenin's early writings

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:21:01 No.2863759

>>2863753
He don't miss

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:25:53 No.2863761

how long before platner joins the republican party?

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:28:36 No.2863764

>>2863761
he retired to his oyster farm, who care about him

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:30:31 No.2863765

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>>2863755
>What we're saying is that antisemitism is really a problem because it offers up an alternative to socialism (or it's kind of feudal socialism or reactionary socialism or retard socialism). Antisemitism is a reactionary ideology and systemic framwork for explaining why social problems exist, why we lost the war, or why Jimmy Neutron isn't what he used to be, or whatever it is.
Blehh. There is no, serious "antisemitism" that exists or ever has existed in the US that is relevant to these centuries old texts from Europe. Why not talk about anti-Blackism as the "alternative to socialism?" I've heard that too many times, "Socialism might work if we had our White ethnostate, but we share the country with uyghur bums and spics." In modern "antisemitic conspiracy" the Jew is not even the actual enemy. The Jews is only bad because he supposedly wants to flood the country with the subhuman darkies. They would gladly worship the Jew if they are convinced he hates darkies as much as him. To quote the richest man in the world: "Jews are peak White!"

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:32:41 No.2863767

>>2863764
you will be forced to when he comes back running for the republicans

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:35:03 No.2863768

>>2863690
>>2863700
Most modern revolutions started during periods of rapid reform that evolved into revolution. U.S originally just wanted reps in the house of Lords. The french made Louie into a constitutional monarchy before deciding to chop his head off, the Russians created the doma(Duma? The parliament) and tried transitioning to a liberal democracy. So reformist getting popular, getting elected and failing or succeeding is a good sign of a prelude to revolution.

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:41:32 No.2863772

>>2863755
The nazi gay flag guy is always crying about anti-semitism meanwhile he relentlessly defends sharaa the terrorist leader of syria and downplay any crimes of his. This guy is a glowie.

Anonymous 10-07-26 18:50:42 No.2863779

trumpedo gave the mossad a reason to kill him.
stupid clown knows what he's doing.
he really wants to die just to piss off on the Iranians.

FUCKING KILL ALL THE FUCKING MOIDS 10-07-26 19:00:49 No.2863782

>>2863779
are you telling me rn that he's playing some sort of 5d chess type shit???

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:02:45 No.2863784

>>2863761
it would be hilarious if he did that

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:08:39 No.2863785

>CEO of Flock: "Unfortunately, there’s terrorist organizations like DeFlock whose primary motivation is chaos. They’re closer to Antifa than they are anything else."

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:09:57 No.2863786

>>2863782
he could be dying for natural causes, and it will unleash claims that he was killed anyway, by the crowd of zionists that would love to see Iran bombed to the ground.
trumpedo isn't just casually, plainly evil, he's evil for the love of the game.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:10:24 No.2863787

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>23 state solution
new palestine proposal just dropped

<Rahm Emanuel’s proposed solution, the “23-state solution,” envisions Arab states doing more than paying lip service and instead taking an active role in reshaping Palestinian institutions.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:10:45 No.2863788

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Peak White.

>"I'm from Vancouver, I came to Israel because I couldn't stand Canada's 'wokism,' I signed up for the Israeli army and now I live here. If you say you're Jewish, you just come here and they give you the passport, it's very easy. I have my weapon here, everyone treats me well."

>This Zionist settler admitted that he went to invade Palestine simply for being a far-right extremist who couldn't stand the 'woke' policies of Canada's pro-Zionist government.

>This tick just had to say he was Jewish, and they automatically gave him a passport, a weapon, and a house… and you're all set to enjoy the perks that Israel's apartheid offers you—that's how it works.

I can't upload the vid because they disabled the tor node because of TWist scat spammer and this VPN is too slow, it disconnects before it finishes.

https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2075446346136305664/vid/avc1/1080x1920/YAxG6VlomuLM5qvg.mp4
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2075446346136305664/vid/avc1/480x852/CFUT8Q9ggObv8TCF.mp4

FUCKING KILL ALL THE FUCKING MOIDS 10-07-26 19:13:52 No.2863789

>>2863788
>I came to Israel because I couldn't stand Canada's 'wokism'
That's so funny given how much effort Israel and the IDF put into their woke propaganda.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:25:31 No.2863792

>>2863788
Did you guys catch that last part? Lol.

He is obviously in a Palestinian neighborhood and then he says:
>So everything you eat here is going to be cheaper and better than what you get with the Jews.

The antisemitism is coming from inside the house.

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 10-07-26 19:25:53 No.2863794

>>2863712
>>2863713
I stand by my earlier claim that I think the "ideal" electoral politician from the standpoint of wanting to replace Capitalism with Socialism is one that will just flagrantly break the law and dare the powers that be to arrest him, but do so in a pro-social way. Shit like just charging ahead to build low-income housing.

By Bourgeois standards it'd be nakedly corrupt, its just treating the government as Trump does but replacing personal ego with ideology. Either you get the job done or you show how far the government will go to stop you from helping people.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:27:37 No.2863795

>>2863788
Wait so you can just claim to be Jewish and Israel will just let you in? No proof required?

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:29:28 No.2863796

>>2863787
is she basically saying
>the cucked arab states should help israel rape palestine
or something else?

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:31:02 No.2863798

>>2863795
Well, tbf, the twitter post I copypasted actually misquoted him. He does say he is Jewish, but at the same time, yes you can just fucking convert pretty easily and become Jewish. That former Israeli PM was saying about how they need to just bring in more goyim Whities instead of Jewish Yemenis or whatever. Yes they care more about being White than Judaism.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:36:30 No.2863802

>>2863736
plapner prolapse

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:36:54 No.2863804

>>2863795
They'll let anyone in but in order to get a free stolen house you need a rabbis recommendation
>>2863798
>Yes they care more about being White than Judaism.
tbh from what I see it's more jewish supremacy than white supremacy, Ben Gvir is the son of iraqi immigrants

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:38:22 No.2863805

>>2863767
why would that make me care? I don't live in maine and i don't have faith in petty bourgeois blackwater mercs.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:39:16 No.2863806

>>2863736
>Fetterman
the fuck does that braindead retard have to do with this
bro trying to insert himself into another group's conversation
Platner from my understanding openly shit on Fetterman several times

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:41:22 No.2863807

>>2863806
they used the same campaign agency, were both funded by tom steyer, both ran as democrats… why do you all keep falling for this shit. i really hope you're just young and not used to disappointment

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:43:17 No.2863808

>>2863745
>lenin: WWI is an inter-imperialist war between the great imperial powers of Europe, including Russia
<Leftypol: Russia was never imperialist!

are there like 3 brain cells being shared across this entire website

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:43:29 No.2863809

>>2863804
>tbh from what I see it's more jewish supremacy than white supremacy, Ben Gvir is the son of iraqi immigrants

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/epstein-files-ex-israeli-pm-urged-putin-send-one-more-million-russians-israel

>In remarks set to deepen long-running divisions inside Israel between secularists and convervatives, Barak sketches a plan “to break the monopoly of the orthodox rabbinite on marriage and funerals and whatever, and the definition of a Jew, and accept, open in a sophisticated, subtle manner, open the gates from [sic] massive… conversion into Judaism”.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:45:01 No.2863810

>>2863809
https://www.timesofisrael.com/barak-wanted-russian-immigration-to-offset-israeli-arab-growth-epstein-files-show/
Barak wanted Russian immigration to offset Arab population growth, Epstein files show

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:45:14 No.2863811

>>2863675
Revolution is the only option, but if the DSA can recruit people and sometimes win elections, that's one way to build the movement necessary for a revolution to succeed.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:45:32 No.2863812

>>2863808
you just now found out people on here are stupid

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:45:47 No.2863813

>>2863809
>>2863810
>jewish state wants more jews living in it
wow…………..groundbreaking stuff

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:46:16 No.2863814

>>2863810
ehud barak was bigoted against arabs and favored eastern europeans? this is shocking i say. shocking.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:47:27 No.2863815

>>2863813
NTA, "israeli arabs" likely refers to arab jews in this context. not that either interpretation is shocking or groundbreaking. european jews in israel have always been racist against arabs and africans, jewish or otherwise.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:49:02 No.2863816

>>2863813
>>2863815
Why does it have to be shocking or groundbreaking? I never claimed it as such. I just made a statement and it was disputed so I provided sources.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:50:04 No.2863817

>>2863814
>>2863816
Missed one. What a strange reaction I'm going to add. I don't know where else this is considered a normal reaction. It's very curious is all I'll say.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:50:40 No.2863818

>>2863817
sorry i'm a little jaded from talking about this stuff for too many years

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 10-07-26 19:55:38 No.2863820

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Jesus Christ this is bad

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:56:23 No.2863821

>>2863820
now show churches

FUCKING KILL ALL THE FUCKING MOIDS 10-07-26 19:57:58 No.2863822

>>2863820
Counting those places as places to relax and socialize is already a uniquely USAnian spin on things as they are places that require expenditure. Which is to say things were already bad in 2001. But yes they have gotten much worse.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:58:03 No.2863823

>>2863820
>the bovvling alley has fallvn

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:58:10 No.2863824

>>2863820
Now show the cost difference to go to one of those places vs the median wage vs back then vs now lol.

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:58:17 No.2863825

>>2863816
israeli society ranks the lowest jew above the highest gentile. a black jew and a white jew can legally marry. a jew and a non jew cannot legally get married since israel is a land built on the principles of jewish law, interfaith marriages are also not recognized. israel is fundamentally a society built on jewish dominance, the color of the skin isn't whats stopping the knesset from accepting arab parties to be politically represented, its the fact that they represent non jewish interests

Anonymous 10-07-26 19:59:11 No.2863826

>>2863820
Bleak, we're just not allowed to have fun at all. The only joy we'll be allowed to have will be the whole "laughter of triumph over a defeated enemy" kind of thing

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:00:29 No.2863827

>>2863825
People can convert to Judaism. Most Jews are secular aka atheists like the Barak guy was talking about. The main thing is Zionism for them aka maintaining their crazy settle colonialist state.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:00:33 No.2863828

>>2863824
not only is the price higher, but the establishments are closing because the petty booj aren't making enough to keep them open

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:01:47 No.2863829

>>2863828
A mixed drink starts at like $15 and a draft beer starts at like $8 lol.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:02:03 No.2863830

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>>2863820
>>2863822
Even the free places are going to shit

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:03:02 No.2863831

>>2863828
I say this completely sincerely, a socialist political platform for America needs to include the subsidization of affordable bars, nightclubs, and bowling alleys

>>2863830
As an aspiring librarian that is both extremely bleak and also the typical kind of shit they'd do in a library in a red state

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:03:05 No.2863832

>>2863829
Meanwhile I buy a fiff of Polish potato vodka for $20. Yeah fuck your bar.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:03:27 No.2863833

>>2863825
nobody said otherwise. two things can be true at once. european jews can be oppressive and prejudiced towards black and arab jews while also being even more racist against gentiles. you see the same dynamic here in america. white US Americans are racist against black Americans but both white and black US Americans think of North Koreans as basically a bunch of mindless evil orcs.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:03:58 No.2863834

>>2863829
yeah so nobody shows up and the place closes

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:04:46 No.2863835

>>2863832
Yeah but there's a certain deep sadness involved in getting drunk off of vodka shots. Probably a reason why it's my go-to

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:04:58 No.2863836

>>2863830
If this is how the libraries are then why bother going out at all? I always thought going out was generally a waste of time this just confirms it. Truthfully I just don't like being other people that much. Too much stress.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:05:03 No.2863837

>>2863831
subsidized gyms like the soviets had would be nice

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:05:40 No.2863838

>>2863830
chuds did this cuz woke

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:06:44 No.2863839

>>2863836
As a librarian I promise you it's only like this in states utterly dominated by Republicans and we're doing our best to push back on anti-youth and anti-unhoused policies like these

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:09:42 No.2863841

>>2863834
Can you imagine how it used to be some standard in America for guys to walk up to a random strange lady and buy them a drink. $15? I'm going to buy some bitch a meal's worth off the jump? I hear Australians say this. They're like "hell no we don't buy women drinks, the alcohol is too expensive with our nanny-state taxes."

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:12:00 No.2863843

File: 1783714320202-1.png (384.83 KB, 1316x426, ClipboardImage.png)

https://www.techdirt.com/2026/07/10/fcc-general-counsel-channels-founding-fathers-to-falsely-claim-first-amendment-allows-banning-porn/

So speaking of bleak shit, get ready to see not only porn but written text that's too "obscene" getting banned while literally claiming it's for free speech. This screenshot is frome the Heritage Foundation's website

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:12:16 No.2863844

>>2863820
meh people changed those places for a console or a pc or a smartphone.
that's not a metric to measure something beyond of what it states. just a metric to show those industries are dying/dead.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:12:44 No.2863845

>>2863833
here's the problem with that comparison though, america can absorb any ethnic group and remain unchanged. on the flipside the whole idea of Zionism dies the second jews no longer have exclusive sovereignty of israel, thats why they cant politically represent the non-jews or absorb the 5 million palestinians, even for a massive underclass of free undocumented labor to exploit. thats why Barak is so keen on reforming what a jew even is and breaking the orthodox grip on society, he considers foreign jews of any color israels salvation

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 10-07-26 20:17:33 No.2863850

>>2863821
Tried finding some info, don't have a clean graph but apparently Megachurches are growing while small denominational congregations are shrinking? I guess it makes sense as people are less settled than before.

>>2863823
It sucks because I've had so much fun bowling with friends.

>>2863824
>>2863826
I remember as a kid we used to have a skate rink/arcade that was like, a center of community events. After school event? Skate rink. Cub Scouts? Skate rink. Soccer League? Skate rink to celebrate a win. But it closed down ages ago and now there's nothing.

>>2863830
I've heard a lot of people talk about how there's kind of a criminalization of being a teenager in public, like even malls don't like them "loitering". Its sort of like how cafes in Europe are for relaxing, sitting down, having a conversation, and in America you get your coffee and get the fuck out.

>>2863837
Unironically agree.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:18:21 No.2863852

>>2863841
On that note, every single country on Earth I've ever seen American women expats. They are always shocked. SHOCKED! That men don't treat them as the pretty passenger princess like they do in America, after they spent their whole life calling us scumbags and fantasizing about the mystical fulfillment of traveling.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:21:21 No.2863855

>>2863845
> thats why Barak is so keen on reforming what a jew even is and breaking the orthodox grip on society, he considers foreign jews of any color israels salvation
but literally we were just now discussing how ehud barak favors russian (read: relatively whtie, european) jews over arab jews (read: nonwhite, non european).

anyway even if my comparison was weak my main argument is that white israelis discriminate both against nonwhite jews, and gentile whites. both being nonwhite and nonjewish is offensive to the european-jewish settlers.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:23:52 No.2863857

>>2863850
>I've heard a lot of people talk about how there's kind of a criminalization of being a teenager in public, like even malls don't like them "loitering". Its sort of like how cafes in Europe are for relaxing, sitting down, having a conversation, and in America you get your coffee and get the fuck out.
I believe I've seen signs at malls at least online that say that anyone under 18 can't be there without adult supervision. Also I've seen signs at fast food places that state you can be there for 30 minutes. Just eat and get out.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:31:33 No.2863861

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>>2863855
maybe they'll end up with something like the antebellum south where one section of underclass are legally classified as not even human(slaves and natives) while another is legally considered human but still looked down upon by ruling class(poor whites). nonwhite jews could fulfill a similar role as poor whites of being looked down upon, exploited and used as low-payed wage laborers but then given a pressure release valve in the form of encouraging them to be violent reactionaries towards nonjews.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:34:18 No.2863862

>>2863861
>nonwhite jews
Such as who? All the Jews in the US are AshkeNazis to my knowledge.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:38:56 No.2863864

>>2863862
I could be wrong but tmk in Isteal you've got ashkenazis who are white passing and talk shit on mizrahis, sephardis and betas. However a significant amount of the bloodthirsty zionist reactionaries come from those three groups. Kinda reminds me of poor whites in the antebellum south.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:40:59 No.2863865

>>2863864
Sorry, I misread that as I said in my reply. I dunno why I confused that he was talking about the American Jewish diaspora.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:42:44 No.2863866

Anyways, I'm tired of this Jewish minority and Israel. Enough of this bullshit. Jews aren't the center of some world conspiracy, and they aren't the center of the world in anyway. I just want to not have to ever have to talk and tip toe about Jews anymore for the rest of my days. I'm tired of you.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:46:34 No.2863867

>>2863820
I actually stumbled upon a bowling ally the town over. They had $2 beers and $12 pitchers and you can play 2 games for $10. It was like entering some time warp into 1990s.

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:55:12 No.2863868

>>2863862
Bruh no america has diverse jewish communities here, like the Bukharian jews in Queens NYC. not as monolithic as you make it out to be

Anonymous 10-07-26 20:58:22 No.2863870

>>2863866
which anon are you replying to

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:02:22 No.2863871

>>2863868
>Bruh no america has diverse jewish communities here, like the Bukharian jews in Queens NYC. not as monolithic as you make it out to be
That didn't dispute what I said. I commented on the racial tribe or whatever the Jews call the Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, Sephardic, whatever thing. The confusion comes in the so-called "secular" Jews and the religious Jews. In America nobody give a flying fuck about secular Jew. A secular Jew is a White person. Go take an Ashkenazi anywhere anywhere in American they'll tell you they are certainly White. They are much Whiter than many goy Europeans. I know and am friend with a number of Ashkenazi Jews. Blonde blue-eyed Aryan Jews. Anyone would tell you they are Whiter than many Europeans goyims. The thing that makes the Jew is the religion and the seances and the dick mutilations and etc.s I say, the majority of Jews that ever existed stopped being Jews and breeded out into their wider community such as our Lord Marx. His daughters were no longer Jews and their children if they had any were certainly not. Jews that exist in the present time are only the ones who kept the cult.

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:02:45 No.2863872

>>2863870
Why do I have to be replying to anyone?

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:02:50 No.2863873

File: 1783717369693-0.jpeg (512.55 KB, 1500x843, 2023-GSLH-DIGITALKeepsake.jpeg)

>Gilette Stadium
>AT&T Stadium
>Mercedes-Benz Stadium
>Final set in the "MetLife" (insurance company) Stadium
Do they really?

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 10-07-26 21:04:12 No.2863874

>>2863867
I seriously gotta suggest going for a night out sometime, unironically bowling is fun.

Also tangentially related, I did some more research into U.S. soccer, and part of the reason we're not really considered competitive in the soccer world is we've somehow turned an extremely cheap sport into a pay-2-play scheme that costs more than elsewhere.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7435754/2026/07/10/pay-to-play-us-youth-soccer-usmnt-world-cup/?source=user_shared_article&unlocked_article_code=1.wlA.mQ8b.SKlwlCVHo6BP&smid=ta-android-share

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:04:53 No.2863875

>>2863871
>goyim
go back pol

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:06:35 No.2863877

>>2863875
That is the correct Jewish word. My grandmother was literally a Shabbos Goy.

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:08:35 No.2863879

>>2863877
>me grandnanny got BULLIED
nobody cares

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:08:47 No.2863880

>>2863877
I mean she got paid to go and turn off the Jew light switches on the sabbath(shabbos)

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:09:09 No.2863881

>>2863879
No one cares about Jews but you don't see me sperging out about it.

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:21:23 No.2863885

File: 1783718483150-1.png (1.02 MB, 1079x1061, Screenshot_20260710-172104.png)

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:21:53 No.2863886

>>2863875
epstein used goy, (and I think goyslop) continuously…

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:22:19 No.2863887

>>2863886
He also created pol, so that tracks

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:25:04 No.2863889

>>2863887
that's… unproven. he posted there, though.

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:25:45 No.2863891

Goy and goyim is just the fucking word they use to identify outsiders. It is no different from gringo. Can you imagine faggots hoing, "you can't say gringo! That is our word to refer to you!"

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:27:24 No.2863892

>>2863891
In Japan they say gaijin. Goyjin.

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:40:55 No.2863895

>>2863877
>>>2863875
>That is the correct Jewish word. My grandmother was literally a Shabbos Goy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_goy

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:44:17 No.2863896

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>>2863843
They never bother looking at South Korea to find out what banning porn actually does for the marriage and fertility rate. They're only experience a boom right now because of generous government incentives, which Republicans would venomously oppose when the same proposal shows up at their desk

For anyone who actually cares about such issues, the first order of business should be to put down every single evangelical for being the retards they are and wasting everyone's time

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:47:20 No.2863898

>>2863895
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_goy
>>2863879
>me grandnanny got BULLIED
<Notable examples of Shabbos goyim include Maxim Gorky,[7] Thomas D'Alesandro Jr,[9] Floyd B. Olson,[10][11] Harry S. Truman,[12][13][14] Pete Hamill,[15] Colin Powell,[15][16][17] Mario Cuomo,[17] Martin Scorsese,[15] Ralph Branca (who did not know at the time that he was Jewish),[18] Tom Jones,[19] and the adolescent Elvis Presley,[15][20] all of whom served their Jewish neighbors in this way. Barack Obama served his Jewish office neighbor while serving in the Illinois Senate.[21]

My Grandnanny is up there with the fucking GOATS you, take that back.

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:48:58 No.2863899

File: 1783720136933-0.mp4 (3.14 MB, 1288x718, ssstwitter.com_17837201023….mp4)

Mitch McConnell appears to not only be dead, but has been dead since the ambulance got to him.

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:49:22 No.2863900

>>2863896
Unfortuantely the pervasive influence of jap porn in Korea has nullified the effects of the porn ban there. Same thing in China.

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:49:53 No.2863901

>>2863899
his wife is an actual chinese agent

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:50:38 No.2863902

>>2863872
you dont i just thought you might be

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:52:08 No.2863903

>>2863899
Mitch McConnell will return in Avengers: Doomsday

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:52:18 No.2863904

Why does america have a formal mutual defense treaty with south korea and japan but not israel?

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:54:48 No.2863906

>>2863862
>Such as who? All the Jews in the US are AshkeNazis to my knowledge.
scroll up. the conversation was about israel

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:55:13 No.2863907

>>2863861
yeah i could see israel going in that direction when things keep getting worse there

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:57:23 No.2863909

>>2863904
Because that would drag them into constant wars in Palestine and Lebanon. Israel is useful precisely because its a proxy that can do their killing for them without direct American involvement. Meanwhile the point of their formal defence pacts with Japan and the ROK is to deter China, Russia, and the DPRK.

Anonymous 10-07-26 21:58:46 No.2863911

>>2863900
It never had any effect to begin with. America is decades behind building their own Great Firewall if they think they can do any better at stopping porn

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:03:14 No.2863913

What are your thoughts on regional bigotry in the US and is it working against us?
So what I mean about this bigotry toward people because of where they are from.

The reason I ask this is because I was seeing a post about the whole "UK having lower GDP per capita vs Mississippi" and in the comments there was a lot of "well if Mississippians could read" comments. Lots of people insulting anyone from Mississippi as "too stupid to even be able to read."

The thing is, Mississippi is actually ranked 9th now in literacy rate in the US, a phenomena known as the Mississippi miracle. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Miracle). And another thing I saw one poster point out is that a lot of this is also tied to wealth. So insulting the literacy of poor state like Mississippi is also mocking their status as poor people, in addition it was historically also used to indirectly derive PoCs as they disproportionately make up the poor…

And as a person who has been all across the US, from my own personal experience I will say I have seen A LOT of elitism and bigotry toward people from the south for the simple fact that they are from the south. "You all are illiterate", "you guys sleep with your cousins", "southerners are all dumb." So much so that many southerners develop a habit of code switching, similar to inner city black kids because if you talk with a southern accent you are mocked or thought lesser of. Its "not professional" to be southern.

But i gotta wonder… how much of these attitude feeds into the belief that lefties from other states are "elitist" and create a inherent knee jerk reaction against us? Like are we fueling our own stereotype by treating people from the south this way by a default?

Edit: forgot to add, does having this view of "they are lesser idiots" make trying to make inroads in these states harder? Like would we have an easier time making connections in southern states if we didnt treat them as defective from the jump.

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:09:46 No.2863919

>Ryan Grim DRAGGED For EXPOSING FLAWS in Platner Exposé
THE PLOTTHICKENS
NAZDEMSOC GANG

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:10:57 No.2863920

>>2863913
>The reason I ask this is because I was seeing a post about the whole "UK having lower GDP per capita vs Mississippi" and in the comments there was a lot of "well if Mississippians could read" comments. Lots of people insulting anyone from Mississippi as "too stupid to even be able to read."
I dunno. I only briefly stayed once passing through Mississippi but I will say the people at the hotel, I don't know where from, were ridiculously nice, White and Black. I think I've seen that all over the South. I always try to hold the door open for a woman and hand it off to a man in general. If it is a group I'd hold it open for all of them. I've notice in the deepest south it seems to be the most uniform politeness.

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:13:47 No.2863921

>>2863913
>Edit:
what did anon mean by this

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:16:21 No.2863922

File: 1783721780825-2.jpg (246.23 KB, 1080x1440, HM5NtFcXUAAgi46.jpg)

>Trump Brushed Off His Scandals. Here’s Why Platner Couldn’t.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2026/07/10/platner-trump-scandals-rules-democrats-00992633

>My name might be on the ballot right now, but that ballot line belongs to the people of Maine.
https://xcancel.com/grahamformaine/status/2075009677495058687#m

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:17:37 No.2863923

>non-stop spam about Platner, Mamdani, AOC, etc progressives being secret Zionists
>zero talk about Brad Lander being an open Zionist
hmmmm

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:18:39 No.2863925

>>2863923
could the CIA be behind this????????

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:18:47 No.2863926

>>2863923
>Brad Lander
I don't even know who that is. Fill me in.

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:26:16 No.2863929

LATEST IPSOS POLL SHOWS DSA APPROVAL RATING IN FREE FALL AFTER PLATNER REVELATIONS

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:27:47 No.2863931

>>2863921copy pasted
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/comments/1ushqtm/what_are_your_thoughts_on_regional_bigotry_in_the/

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:37:04 No.2863938

>>2863850
> Tried finding some info, don't have a clean graph but apparently Megachurches are growing while small denominational congregations are shrinking

capital accumulation and centralization hits everything i guess

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:38:37 No.2863939

>>2863923
>secret zionists
i mean if you don't call for the end of israel you are basically zionist. two state solution is a liberal zionist solution
>hamas and PFLP are liberal zionists then
yeah

big if true big if true 10-07-26 22:41:56 No.2863941

big if true

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:42:48 No.2863942

>>2863929
Hooray, communism is saved

Anonymous 10-07-26 22:58:29 No.2863946

>>2863929
Link or gtfo

Anonymous 10-07-26 23:30:44 No.2863956

Looking at the discussions about A/C makes me want to shoot myself. How do you get something so basic wrong?

Anonymous 11-07-26 00:06:46 No.2863965

>>2863913
Leftists constantly claim to not be liberals, act offended when they're grouped together, but they act and believe the same things the smug libs do, so it's hard to tell. Marx hated the rural peasants too so the problem goes way back.

Anonymous 11-07-26 00:38:27 No.2863973

>>2863946
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2863006.html#2863929

Anonymous 11-07-26 00:57:17 No.2863976

>>2863965
>Marx hated the rural peasants too
provide citation of him actually saying this

Anonymous 11-07-26 00:58:10 No.2863977

>>2863921
it means he copypasted from reddit

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:22:23 No.2863979

>>2863976
Nta, but I’m guessing he’s referring to the time Marx called the rural peasants in France a “sack of potatoes”. I wouldn’t say the point he was making was from a place of hatred tho

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:23:37 No.2863980

>>2863965
>Marx hated the rural peasants
marx praised the old german peasant uprisings fool

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:24:42 No.2863981

>>2863913
The south is chud coded

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:30:03 No.2863982

File: 1783733401121-8-0.png (1.05 MB, 900x598, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1783733401121-0-1.png (767.38 KB, 866x882, agriporky.png)

>people express contempt for the petty bourgeoisie gusanos, roof koreans, and whites in their suburban McMansions in Texas, larping as "rural" in their huge "work" trucks that they never use to haul tools and mostly use to the grocery store in with their John Deere bumper stickers, pleather boots and cowboy hats, bumping the absolutely worst corporate "country" music that's just basically either "we'll napalm you gooks" type lyrics or dumbass "i love chicken wings beer football and jesus" with zero mention of the plight of workers.

<heh, you leftoids sure hate rural workers

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:34:02 No.2863984

>>2863898
Maybe i can get some shabos goy gigs
Seems like a chill job

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:37:31 No.2863986

File: 1783733851147-1.jpg (806.48 KB, 2733x1807, i didn't think of iraqis a….jpg)

this is the guy who's running against susan collins now that plapler dropped out

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:40:02 No.2863988

>>2863984
you don't get paid

CPUSAnon!SmhOsIjuAE 11-07-26 01:41:00 No.2863989

>>2863979
I figure I should mention Marx in that particular instance was referring to a class of small, free holding peasants—not peasants in general. One of the things about his “sack of potatoes” analogy was that he was kind of characterizing their odd class position.

Basically if I remember it right, the small free holding peasants (maybe analogous to Kulaks) were defined in part by the fact their social “world” was much smaller. The Proletariat engage in a kind of social reproduction by virtue of the nature of their work: they’re on the “shop floor” as it were, they’re working with people they’ve got no familial relationship to and talking to each other. Their labor disciplines them in a sense. The freeholding peasant by contrast it constrained to the immediate confines of his family and village. He’s an “individual” in the way that the worker isn’t.

So rather than there being some collective class interest driving them to political action, they had the legend of Napoleon and the French Empire passed down from father to son. Their elevation of Napoleon III to power was less the actions of a class pursuing its interest but a mob (the potatoes) being utilized by a demagogue (the sack)

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:41:35 No.2863990

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:41:58 No.2863991

https://gothamist.com/news/a-doctor-a-waiter-and-a-programmer-to-the-dsa-they-are-all-working-class-voters

> And new members joining Mamdani’s “political home” are told in orientation sessions to think of anyone who works for a living as working class.

i don't really like the dsa but they're literally correct using the marxist definition here - why the hell do american normies get so offended if you view class as a relationship to the means of production and not cutoff points on how much money you make

> He and several others strayed from the DSA worldview by defining the working class as those with the most limited opportunities and leisure time.

this is the most vague definition of class i've ever seen

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:46:09 No.2863993

>>2863920
The hate against the South is so bad that they will tell you they were faking it and they all hate you actually and you need to find the REAL South that still has the KKK running around lmao. Never forgot when a New Yorker unironically came down here and said he thought the KKK was still roaming the streets openly and that New York rudeness is real meanwhile he was tired of "fake politeness" from the South. Just going to point out the KKK in the 20th century was strong in the North as well and people forget that like in Indiana and Rhode Island. The South is pretty much the scapegoat of all of America's problems

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:51:41 No.2863995

File: 1783734701291-9.png (341.04 KB, 898x1029, 1783713355135379.png)

If you are against flock cameras you are Antifa and a terrorist

https://x.com/MorePerfectUS/status/2075624572540338269

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:55:23 No.2863996

Herrenvolk status?

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:58:07 No.2863997

>>2863976
weird how these people always stfu and disappear and don't provide citation

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:58:23 No.2863998

File: 1783735103257-4.png (442.07 KB, 1179x929, ClipboardImage.png)

wtf how dare they….

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:58:50 No.2863999

>>2863984
Oy vey

Anonymous 11-07-26 01:59:54 No.2864000

>>2863998
I wonder when the DSA will start turning murderous against communists

Anonymous 11-07-26 02:01:49 No.2864003

>>2863765
>I've heard that too many times, "Socialism might work if we had our White ethnostate, but we share the country with uyghur bums and spics."
Where antisemitism enters the picture is that it offers an explanation as to why

>In modern "antisemitic conspiracy" the Jew is not even the actual enemy. The Jews is only bad because he supposedly wants to flood the country with the subhuman darkies.
The actual Jew is never the real enemy, it is an imaginary kind of Jew pulling the strings of both the capitalists and the socialists (i.e. we're puppets also being dangled around by Jewish capitalists).

>They would gladly worship the Jew if they are convinced he hates darkies as much as him. To quote the richest man in the world: "Jews are peak White!"
He has said that and that Jews are flooding the West with immigrants because they're anti-white for some "dialectical" reason. Idk man I think the right is fine with lying and resorting to any kind of demagoguery including antisemitism if it helps them in the moment. It's something they can ratchet up or down depending on their mood. Historically it'd be in some German village where they'd let you go work out some steam by kicking the shit of the village jeweler or butcher named Jewy Goldstein or Jewey McJewface or whatever and wave crucifixes at him, and then the established order could come in and save his ass. There's an evil cabal of pedophiles in charge of the government and they drink blood!

Anonymous 11-07-26 02:02:45 No.2864004

>>2863997
Mamdani and marx beat and raped me while i got a sandwich at 3AM in chicago and they told me this is crakkka country

Anonymous 11-07-26 02:09:46 No.2864006

>>2863998
>2021

Anonymous 11-07-26 02:23:22 No.2864008

File: 1783736602183-4.png (592.37 KB, 1080x2197, Screenshot_20260710-222258.png)

>>2864006

Anonymous 11-07-26 02:26:45 No.2864011

>>2864008
It's such a heavy fucking irony that the DSA, despite offering nothing to its members in terms of education or reading, is being driven by a growing membership whilst the SEP daily spits out higher quality articles than any other party internationally and remains castigated simply due to surface level ideological affiliations

Anonymous 11-07-26 02:27:56 No.2864012

>>2864008
I refuse to believe anyone frequents that site unironically, it's the CIA shouting inside an empty room.

Anonymous 11-07-26 02:55:16 No.2864018

>>2863920
>I think I've seen that all over the South. I always try to hold the door open for a woman and hand it off to a man in general. If it is a group I'd hold it open for all of them.
Yeah this is culturally ingrained in people. I also think this also "crosses racial lines." You hold the door for black women if you're a white man. Black men are almost always incredibly polite to my mother.

>>2863993
>Never forgot when a New Yorker unironically came down here and said he thought the KKK was still roaming the streets openly
I think socially the South may be less socially segregated in terms of daily life because the populations interacted more closely for hundreds of years. There's a naturalness to it. It's kind of a paradox because the South historically had de jure Apartheid-like segregation (where blacks weren't allowed to drink out of the same water fountains as whites) and this also existed within a more "polite" and conservative (and some ways paternalistic) social order, and then a huge civil rights movement happened there. The resistance to it was fueled by racism for sure but you can't really understand the ferocity of it without considering how it was tied into a whole integrated social order (that didn't simply go away either, it modified / adapted / evolved).

Friend of mine in rural Louisiana saw a white guy get physically thrown out of a bar (went airborne like Superman) for calling a black man the n-word and the other white guy who tossed him shouted that he can't say that "to his face." He didn't say he couldn't say it theoretically, just not in that context. It's good ol-fashioned polite racism with probably less neo-Nazis and angry racism like you see in Idaho. Nick Fuentes is from Chicago.

>>2863982
>bumping the absolutely worst corporate "country" music … "i love chicken wings beer football and jesus" with zero mention of the plight of workers.
WHERE THE COUNTRY GIRLS AT

Anonymous 11-07-26 03:01:52 No.2864020

>>2863982
I've known real rednecks and fake rednecks. The fake one was a guy I went to uni with. He was from a rich farming family that had this huge estate, but almost all the work was done by Latin American and Carribean migrant workers. They were of white South African descent too, and when the guy got drunk he would regularly drop the n word. The real rednecks where these enormous French Canadian guys who had an illegal hunting camp in the bush near my parents house. They were a huge family with like five or six brothers who were all like 6'5. On several occasions they had gotten into shootouts with game wardens who came and tried to tear down their illegal cabin.

Anonymous 11-07-26 03:46:10 No.2864028

is air conditioning bourgeois?

Anonymous 11-07-26 03:52:20 No.2864029

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https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116899176820572671

Anonymous 11-07-26 03:53:15 No.2864030

>>2864020
>The real rednecks where these enormous French Canadian guys who had an illegal hunting camp in the bush
I can see French Canadians being the real rednecks up there. Most rednecky people around my area are either from West Texas or Louisiana and various rural counties around here. My mom's side of the family are a bunch of rednecks and one of my cousins married into some crazy clan of them who comprise half of their town. The most rednecky I've ever known were neighbors in a small bayou town my grandfather retired to. I went out on their boat as a kid to bring in their catfish trotlines in a swamp.

Speaking of racism my dad inherited grandpa's house after he died (it was basically a shack) and they casually threatened to burn it down if he rented it out to any non-white people. This was really out in the sticks but the thing is they didn't say they specifically and explictly were going to do that, it was done in a more mafia-like polite "just letting you know, cuz some people around here…" kind of way. What I think surprises people about not seeing KKK in the South is that historically that was a secret society, more or less, so you wouldn't normally "see" it. They'd use terms like "invisible empire."

Anonymous 11-07-26 03:53:59 No.2864031

>>2864029
blud is shook ong

When did Iran threaten to kill him?

Anonymous 11-07-26 03:55:30 No.2864032

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>>2864031
Israel said so

Anonymous 11-07-26 03:57:38 No.2864033

>>2864031
no, you, see, the us destroyed Iran, twice, in a weekedn. trump won so hard, no one doubts he won.
that's why Iran can kill him.

Anonymous 11-07-26 04:00:10 No.2864034

>>2864032
lmao fucking senile demented idiot. israel feed him any old shit and he eats it up. maybe the gerontocracy is deliberately engineered because octogenarians are more suggestible.

Anonymous 11-07-26 04:02:27 No.2864035

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>Washington D.C., July 10, 2026 - On October 27, 2025, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents quietly detained Armando Fernandez Larios, a former Chilean secret police operative living in Florida. His incarceration at the Krome Detention Center in Miami remained unknown until he appeared on the Department of Homeland Security’s “worst of the worst” list—one of several Trump administration publicity stunts from January 2026 meant to demonstrate that ICE was rounding up immigrants with actual criminal backgrounds. Despite detaining Fernandez Larios for past crimes of “homicide,” ICE released him from custody after he filed an “unlawful detention” lawsuit, according to court records posted today by the National Security Archive alongside declassified documents on his role in an act of international terrorism in Washington, D.C., 50 years ago.

>Rather than respond to the lawsuit, ICE officials freed Fernandez Larios on March 19, 2026, according to a legal ruling in the case obtained by the Archive’s Chile Documentation Project.
>In 2005, Fernandez Larios attempted to secure an “S” visa that protects foreign informants from ejection from the United States. But key U.S. government officials opposed granting him that protective status. “Some immigration officials have wanted to detain Fernández Larios to face deportation proceedings, citing his lack of any immigration papers and a 1996 law that mandates deportation of foreigners convicted of aggravated felonies,” the Miami Herald reported at the time.

>More than 20 years later, that little-known effort to deport him appears to have been revisited. Although Fernandez Larios is, once again, living freely in Florida, the upcoming 50th anniversary of the Letelier-Moffitt assassination is likely to bring renewed attention to his role in one of the most infamous atrocities ever committed on the streets of Washington, D.C. “If there is anyone who truly qualifies as ‘the worst of the worst,’ observes the Archive’s senior analyst on Chile, Peter Kornbluh, “it is Armando Fernandez Larios.”

reminder: you can grovel the us government all you want. it won't save you.

imagine the smell of that chilean chud.

Anonymous 11-07-26 04:25:53 No.2864037

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>-47k manufacturing jobs a month on average (loss) during this trump administration.
>trump is blaming small businesses owners (gas stations) for the gas price hike.
and will still believe in right wingers defending capital.

Anonymous 11-07-26 04:39:36 No.2864040

>>2863976
In the Manifesto Marx praises capitalism for rescuing peasants from the idiocy of rural life. One reading of this an older Greek term that means private or parochial, in other words theyd'd be more plugged into wider society. Either way, it was something to cure. Funny thing is, when Marx envisioned future communist society, his dream jobs were hunting, fishing, herding cattle. Sorry bud, you're going down to the sewers, tiling roofs, or repairing roads in the summer. It's your species essence, after all.

Anonymous 11-07-26 04:54:01 No.2864043

it's just been confirmed that

Anonymous 11-07-26 04:54:12 No.2864044

>>2863486
Lord Sidius type posture

Anonymous 11-07-26 04:55:43 No.2864045

>>2864043
true and big

Anonymous 11-07-26 05:08:56 No.2864050

A doctor, a waiter and a programmer: To the DSA, they are all 'working-class' voters

The Democratic Socialists of America are trying to redefine what it means to be a working-class voter in New York City.

To the DSA, restaurant workers, doctors and techies should see themselves as in the same boat. Compared to billionaires, they’re all relatively poor.

“The definition of working class really includes anyone who's dependent on their own work and their own labor for their livelihood and for their income,” said Grace Mausser, who co-chairs the DSA’s New York City chapter.

The chapter has seen explosive growth since Zohran Mamdani announced his mayoral campaign in October 2024. And new members joining Mamdani’s “political home” are told in orientation sessions to think of anyone who works for a living as working class.

Mausser said this includes programmers who work at Google as well as professionals who make six-figure incomes. “I would say a doctor who makes a healthy income, who's making $400,000-plus, is in economic reality much, much closer to a waiter than they are to Jeff Bezos,” she said, referring to Amazon's founder.

The shift portends a potential political realignment that views workers and billionaires as opposing sides of a class struggle. Historically, working class referred to people who did manual labor or low-wage work. With the broader definition, the DSA is attempting to tap into the population of people who may have seemingly comfortable desk jobs and decent salaries but still feel the city’s soaring costs have made it tough to climb the economic ladder

https://gothamist.com/news/a-doctor-a-waiter-and-a-programmer-to-the-dsa-they-are-all-working-class-voters

Anonymous 11-07-26 05:21:50 No.2864055

>>2864044
tbh, imo, for me looks more like a melting raising begging for a quick death, tired of so much melt, so much pruning.

Anonymous 11-07-26 05:26:48 No.2864057

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>>2864040
I am not at all sure if you are the same anon but this conversation has somehow gone from the flat out incorrect statement:

>Marx hated the rural peasants

to the much more correct statement

>In the Manifesto Marx praises capitalism for rescuing peasants from the idiocy of rural life.

OK let's deal with the second softer statement. That is not "hate" for the peasants, but rather the conditions which, especially in his time, made them on average less literate, less educated, etc.

Also this is more from the bourgeois viewpoint but Adam Smith points out that in the countryside one farmer on his homestead must perform several different kinds of labor in one day, losing time as he passes between them, making him a jack of all trades and a master of nothing, and inefficient in his use of time, which is not the case for people who hyper-specialize in one sort of labor and do it uninterrupted for long periods of time.

<The advantage which is gained by saving the time commonly lost in passing from one sort of work to another, is much greater than we should at first view be apt to imagine it. It is impossible to pass very quickly from one kind of work to another, that is carried on in a different place, and with quite different tools. A country weaver, who cultivates a small farm, must loose a good deal of time in passing from his loom to the field, and from the field to his loom. When the two trades can be carried on in the same workhouse, the loss of time is, no doubt, much less. It is, even in this case, however, very considerable. A man commonly saunters a little in turning his hand from one sort of employment to another. When he first begins the new work, he is seldom very keen and hearty; his mind, as they say, does not go to it, and for some time he rather trifles than applies to good purpose. The habit of sauntering, and of indolent careless application, which is naturally, or rather necessarily, acquired by every country workman who is obliged to change his work and his tools every half hour, and to apply his hand in twenty different ways almost every day of his life, renders him almost always slothful and lazy, and incapable of any vigorous application, even on the most pressing occasions. Independent, therefore, of his deficiency in point of dexterity, this cause alone must always reduce considerably the quantity of work which he is capable of performing.