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https://www.hueylong.com/programs/share-our-wealth/huey-longs-share-our-wealth-speechPrevious Thread:
>>2876852 >>2878086Thesis: Nothing Ever Happens
Antithesis: Everything Always Happens
Synthesis: Nothing Ever Ends
>houdini appears with random woman in news post
hmmm, are the rumors true?
>>2878088Alan Moore is truly England’s greatest Hegelian
If cpusanon was up for it away id put a chain around his fat neck and SMASH his teeth with hammer. And let him give me gumjobs to atone for all his epstein kinds sins and for their ancestor sins. Because thats all he good for
>>2878093Karl Marx: Nick Name "The Moor"
Alan Moore: Anarchist who has big beard and hair like Marx, literally named "Moore"
Coincidence?
Do people have to abbreviate Abdul El-Sayed as AES? Feels weird after being conditioned to read it as Actually Existing Socialism.
>>2878095You will never shoot up a costco, you will never overthrow the government, you will only ever vent your frustrations through posting in an exact mirror to CPUSAnon whomst you supposedly hate so much
beautiful lady😍🥰dini too. I put bag over his head though
>>2878099>>2878098Cpusanon say one day he my battered housewife. His words not mine.
how tall is houdini wtf
>>2878102So are you giving her estrogen or nah?
>>2878102>he my battered housewifeoh you're wrongschizo not felix. i'm sorry.
>>2878105They pass him back and forth and Eiffel tower him because they’re messy bitches that love drama like Bob and Rita Marley
I have got to find decently curated source for on the ground burger happenings and long term trends, blue stormfront isn't cutting it.
>>2878115theworker.news is really good minus them reporting everything 2 weeks after its already happened, but the analysis of it is pretty good
>>2878074i like how the first time this video went out people were mad about sinophobia
>>2878120I just think it's funny that he doesn't know what exploitation is, thinks that it is simply when you simply don't know and don't have a friendly relationship with the people who are exploiting the proles. And I like that he thinks that bringing manufacturing back to America is something that is feasible on a mass scale if enough people just show his petty bourgeois determination to do so. It took him years of research and bullshit just to make 1 grill brush
mostly in America and even then the chain mail is assembled in Canada. It's just a huge cope to think he can do American Juche while America is still a global empire and American currency hegemony makes American wages stronger on an international market than they would otherwise be.
>>2878124Sleeping and resting is the best part of life.
>>2878126Fail. Thats not the source. Thats secondary source.
>>2878127unless you have a sleep disorder and it's a huge slog and you never fall asleep no matter how hard you try
>>2878122oh no i think it's a hopeless cause especially for such a tiny endeavor, this is an issue that requires absurd amounts of capital both material and human to be transferred and created in the country
>>2878091>lock them in a bunker on the frontline with basically no training and leave them there shooting at nothing until they die. This was basically the strat from day one as well. Back then though, they had a lot of TDF to rugpull who had volunteering and had not-yet-discredited promises of tremendous pay and not that much risk.
But to be fair, at the start the RF was sending the Donbas conscripts (yes they conscripted the DPR & LPR men) into the southern rush for Crimea and they took staggering losses as well. Then the whole Wagner recruiting from prisons and such.
every day i am incapacitated by my desire to see america destroyed. how much longer must i wait?
>>2878147
Can you guys just kiss and make up already?
>>2878147
This is so deranged. I don't believe you are really Felix or even an American. The Real Iron Felix was often pretty over the top. But please, whoever you are just let this go. Imageboard culture is very deranged where people are constantly advocating murder and suicide, it's perhaps "darl humor" because none of us know who eachother are supposedly, I have been guilty of getting into the spirit of derangement, but please sir, this is to much, it's not funny trying to have this level of death threats to some specific individual.
You know, to everyone the mods, I am sorry for my over the top antagonism, I guess in my mind I am just giving it as I get it, and you can all take it on the chin as I do, but really it's deranged and ot's not right.
>>2878134>>2878137So the strait is prolly going to be closed till 2028 at this rate. If iran falls for the fake negotiation tactic for the 12th time it doesn't fix the supply of oil. What if the U.S just runs out of missiles for a pro-long period? They just going to stop attacking while iran just launches missiles at israel?
>>2878157
So who are you Evan Reif or not? If you are not it is fucked you are letting people believe you are.
>>2878147
>>2878157
Mental illness personified. All of this over a random grocer in California. There is no way he lives in your head rent free like this
>>2878161that's not gaza. there's too many buildings left standing. must be the west bank.
>>2878176There isn't a punishment too cruel for zionists honestly
>>2878157
2 more weeks until the anti-cpusa smo
>>2878131Buy an ad, fatass
>>2878247Immigrants are the herrenvolk?
>>2878249The main ideology of the western left is that immigrants should get an equitable share of the loot from the rape and exploitation of the imperial periphery
>>2878252Kill your fucking self,bitch
>>2878252Isn’t the immigrant labor part of that because you’re draining labor from places that arguably need it more? You’re not making that much sense
>>2878258I havent had sex in like a month my semen remains in me
>>2878263Retarded boomers will still find a way to complain about this
>>2878265Oh no how are the food trucks and coffee shops started with banker money for their fail daughters and shitty awful grocery stores supposed to compete?
>>2878257Oh I’m sorry I must have missed when millions of Soviet citizens immigrated to Nazi Germany during Operation Barbarossa
>>2878267Poles, magayrs, and romanians and all the nazi baltoids literally did though. Barbarossa was a “coalition of the willing” and framed as a pan Christian crusade basically and the Nazis fashioned themselves as industrial Tuetons.
>>2878191Gummo is a weird movie.
>>2878268Did I say anything about Psheks or Pribalt collaborators? Their treachery was a given. On the other hand, 20 million Soviet soldiers heroically gave their lives against imperialism and breathed their last with “long live comrade Stalin!” on their lips
>>2878271Baltoids were soviet citizens, you said no soviet citizens willingly migrated to naziland to participate in nazieconomy but they did
>>2878272China is just the US in the 70s and will have the exact same trajectory, disappearing into idpol post industrial hell, capital is beyond politics and once you let it in there’s no controlling it
>>2878273Not the ones who identified as Russian or Soviet. You’re just nitpicking now because you know you have no defense for your heckin wholesome immigrants willingly supporting the most genocidal nation in history
>>2878276They’re victims of genocide following where the stolen wealth of their country went, take your moralism glasses off for a minute and realize it’s better to not be bombed
>>2878275>China is just the US in the 70sIs China couping anyone with its intelligence agencies like the US was in the 1970s?
Is China taking itself off the gold standard like the US did in the 1970s. No… wait it's actually encouraging countries to get off the US dollar and hold their own gold reserves… literally the opposite of what the USA was doing in the 1970s.
Is China… outsourcing all its manufacturing jobs like the US was in the 1970s… no wait… it's actually doing the exact opposite
Wow, you're a fucking moron.
>>2878279waiting for the new goalpost btw
>>2878278>NOOOOOOO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IM ONLY PROVIDING MATERIAL AID TO THE GENOCIDE OF THE THIRD WORLD BECAUSE OF MY HECKIN ECONOMIC ANXIETY!!!!Amerikkkans are already scum, but those Quislings who sell out their own people and willingly integrate into the empire are the lowest of the low
>>2878281what country you from
>>2878279> Is China couping anyone with its intelligence agencies like the US was in the 1970s?They collaborated with India to thwart the Maoist movement in Nepal, threatening to use the PLA to restore the monarchy if Prachanda tried to go all the way
> Is China taking itself off the gold standard like the US did in the 1970s. No… wait it's actually encouraging countries to get off the US dollar and hold their own gold reserves… literally the opposite of what the USA was doing in the 1970s.It’s trying to create the solar/wind Yuan and plenty of areas that were industrial heartlands (particularly Manchuria) got deindustrialized and moved around the country and are now moving to Vietnam and Indonesia
>>2878284Wouldn’t you like to know? Maybe your friends at Langley and Quantico can fill you in
>>2878287>>2878287>Wouldn’t you like to know? Maybe your friends at Langley and Quantico can fill you inoh it's felix. you're american LOL.
you will always be a white american LMFAO
>>2878281Are you willing to take bombs and starve and also put your family through that or would you join the winning team?
most people just say langley when accusing each other of being CIA but literally only iron felix ever bothers mentioning "Quantico" it's such a cute verbal tic he has
>>2878191In the 90s, yh.
It’s a bit different now
literally he has such a unique way of talking and such an odd set of obsessions yet he think you need to be in the CIA to recognize his clown ass in a crowd
>>2878291No analogy is perfect but the you still can’t politically control capital, not really, it’s either in or it’s out, and once it’s in there’s nothing you can do
>>2878292It’s because he watched the show Quantico and fantasizes about having a harem of every ethnicity like the commanding officer in that show has, it’s basically Charlie’s Angels but for the NCIS generation
>>2878263this must be Mamdani's best policy, judging by the pure amount of seethe generated by the idea. I hope it's very successful, so other DSA electeds can look for opportunities to follow the model.
>>2878295capital has always been politically controlled. All that matters is who controls it.
>>2878299No, capital is above politics, capital controls politics, any “concessions” or “controls” you think you put on capital are done with capital’s consent and it will undo them later. It’s the same with drug addiction.
>>2878291>>2878279we're past peak manufacturing period of Chinese development, what remains to be seen is how they handle things afterwards. Likely they'll have a lot better because they're not getting as involved right now, but it's still gonna be interesting to see what happens in 30 years.
>>2878288>everyone who disagrees with me is le same personMental illness
>>2878301There are many industries china hasn't broken into yet, like commercial jet engines
>>2878306They’re trying to save the environment right now, unless you can make a plane run on solar or wind it isn’t happening nor should it happen, death to the internal combustion engines
>>2878307Nah fuck Boeing. I hope china runs them out of business permanently
>>2878309Not possible when they still have all the defense contracts
>>2878303It’s almost like there’s a qualitative difference between the “nationalism” of the imperial core and the nationalism of actual civilizational states!
>>2878312le clash of civilizations is le real but UR da bad guys
>>2878311Being a BushCHAD is the only good thing Houdini has done besides talking that rightoid bitch to kill herself.
Why not just make /usapol/ a separate board?
>>2878321Would kill the entire
>>2878331well in that case what are we waiting for
>>2878312>civilizational states!muh racial indigenous ethnoreligious nation!!!!
>>2878318spaghetti and milk are treats
Now, the question is:
Should I get one of these newfangled digital scopes with built in rangefinders and ballistic calculators, or should I stick with an old school glass scope? The digital ones seem to be legitimately quite amazing now, but serious long range shooters don't trust them yet.
>>2878396You know if you were actually serious about any of this you wouldn't be discussing your plans to murder someone on the clearnet, you would just go and do it
remember when felix admitted he registered his gun with the cops? his intention was never to shoot anyone, pure larp right from the beginning
>>2878401Illegalism for thee but not for me
>>2878272Deng lost the moment he read things wrong.
Can someone give me a quick rundown on the schizo retards fighting in this thread?
>>2878410>AES>Abdul El Sayedkeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek I was so confused for like 10 seconds
>>2878414guys I think having a senile president who is also a gossipy catty messy tabloid bitch who loves drama is bad for state secrecy during a war
>>2878410hes going to win, too. in large part because he's the only anti-aipac candidate
>>2878396digital devices in your gun will just doxx you, no cap famalam
>>2878417that got me for a moment too
>>2878421people said the same about plapner… whatever happened there…
>>2878425hong is leading in wisconson too, turns out women and minorities are better politicians than white dudes who cant keep it in their pants who could've guessed
>>2878312Dugincel hands wrote this post.
>>2878431>turns out women and minorities are better politicians than white dudes who cant keep it in their pants who could've guessednot to sound like a woke radlib sjw or nuffin but i do sometimes feel like 25% of the USA's problems would be solved by deporting all the whiteboys back to europe
just 25%. I don't want to be too bold.
50% if you deport all moids
75% if you deport all gusanos
>>2878436Incel plus Alexander Dugin (meme political figure, only westoids take him seriously, which led to the murder of his daughter)
>>2878445This is actually why they blew up his daughter
>>2878444>was he an incel?Normie
>did he ever clap patty mayonaisse's cheeksDunno
>>2878440She was a crypto-fasciSt just like her dad.
S >>2878457but she was CUTE
and highly KISSABLE
>>2878434*laughs in Hamas*
>>2878467he's not even a factory owner he just raged that people weren't blowing up weapons factories on their own and gave for example one located near their own home that they were aware of as an example of how easy and unguarded they were, and when people asked why he wasn't setting an example by attacking it, his response was basically "i am the intellectual force behind the movement and you all need to sacrifice yourselves for my plans"
>>2878470that makes much more sense. My bad I was wondering why all the replies of >factory status
>>2878414How would false leaks about nonexistent interceptor shortages help Iran? If anything it would help the US because it would mean the Iranians are acting and faulty intel.
>>2878473its worth considering that he says that shitposting for several hours a day against a "fascist grocery store clerk" is the same thing as KGB harassment operations against enemies of the state, rants about having shitloads of guns, has a vaporware party of "infantry" that was going to "physically assault and destroy" the local DSA chapter that was, after the claimed meeting to be attacked happened without incident, was reduced to "angrily yelled at them for their support of a local millionaire", which, upon said meeting having been video recorded, was then downgraded to "the DSA scrubbed the evidence this happened", and at one point ejaculated on a picture of vladimir putin in 2022.
what do we think about trump joking about running for president again? at least he didn't joke about not holding elections at all. is that a good thing?
>>2878477If Trump runs again, Zohran should really go for president even if he ain't a native. It's clear nobody in the US government gives a shit about the law anymore.
>>287818940 days. in and out, all easy-peasy.
>>2878477I posted about it a little while back but Trump doesn't really seem to be moving as if he is truly committed to an authoritarian takeover. So I don't know I'll believe it when I actually see it. I definitely can much more expect a Don Jr. 2028 nomination, with the TRUMP 2028 hats, saying that by a "third term" what we really meant was "keeping it in the family" with the implication that Trump will be behind the wheel for the faithful that care about that sort of thing.
>>2878466fascism is a concept where the state is shrunk, as ᴉuᴉlossnW wanted:
to only care about police and bureaucratic matters, it's mixed altogether with late stage capitalism, a.k.a. imperialism, and furiously anti-communist
Dugin isn't anti-communist
that he proposed a "
3rd option" (Fourth Political Theory, that tells me you base your judgement based of vibes and feel, radlib) doesn't make him fasicst, makes him dumb. that's all.
>>2878485Trump is orange.
We are all different shades of orange.
>>2878482trump could do it because he has institutional violence behind him. zohran couldn't because he doesn't.
trump could use institutional violence to not hold elections at all but yknow w/e
Hey guys! I'm back.
Was chilling in Eugene, Oregon for a few days. Went tubing. Got to pet a pig. Was a great experience.
Hope everyone has been well!
>>2878487it really was people going from
>NUKE LVOV!to suddenly
>you can't just assassinate someone :( >>2878074anyone do a tl;dr of this guy? He always struck me as a bit of a nationalist essentialist taking on a more recent mercantile "ethical capitalism" perspective. Am I off base for thinking he's completely imbibed in that southern US love for imperialism, and become the stereotype third worldists moan about?
>>2878535he is your average USAnian
>>2878460I can't believe my bitch mom wouldn't let me wear school shooter-core even when I was younger
>>2878536I guess Im just out of touch
>>2878535He is like a liberal moderate guy. I don't know about nationalist essentialist. He is in the mold of like a Neil De Grasse Tyson perhaps. He used to be some kind of military contractor/researcher/engineer something. He does make propagandaish videos for the US government like they took him on an operational tour of a nuclear submarine. I haven't seen the video in OP but I've seen a number of his vids and I can't remember him saying anything political at all.
>>2878487Yeah, it should have been expected. Ukrainian Nazis believe they are genetically superior to the "Mongol" Russians so it's no surprise Azovites would murder those they consider lesser subhumans.
>>2878489Another thing to keep in mind is that ᴉuᴉlossnW's Fascism was about LARPing as Romans and trying to reunite a lost empire while Nazis were genocidal maniacs trying to murder everyone not Aryan. They might both called fascists but they clearly didn't have the same ideology.
>>2878550>Yeah, it should have been expected. Ukrainian Nazis believe they are genetically superior to the "Mongol" Russians so it's no surprise Azovites would murder those they consider lesser subhumans.yes, they murdered her for being a random slav girl and not for any other reason
>>2878499No one care. Stop talking. All you good for is sucking cocks.
>>2878311Euroamerikan not in recession. They have boom right now. You wrong
>>2878550Duginoid fascism is about LARPing as le based orthotrad steppe warriors and reunite all of central Asia and Eastern Europe in some vague "Eurasian" national identity.
>>2878489Fascism was the first iteration of the mythical “third option” which turned out to be just hyper capitalism. It all results in the same shit
>>2878551They need to kill a few more members of the Dugin family and then they might start to figure it out.
>>2878554Data Center based "growth" is worthless to the average worker. Unless you believe in trickle down theory…
>>2878555Objectively more progressive than race based genocide.
>>2878551>>2878558So the Maidan Coup was actually about the Dugin family? Is the Bandera worship about Dugin too?
>>2878564> Objectively more progressive than race based genocide.Just never ask what will be done about the gays
>>2878571>”He’s a communist!”Interesting how being against the pedophile class makes you a “communist” now.
>>2878573Fascists can be pro-LGBT rights because their views on the national question is what makes them fascist or not. LGBT rights isn't inherently liberal like NAFO pretends because it's a separate issue from economics or nationalism.
>>2878592The people who are shocked from the assassination thought the war should be limited to soldiers. Theoretically not all wars are supposed to be race wars.
>>2878577well it's a great rhetorical tactic. you get to slander everyone who opposes you as a thing Americans are programmed to hate, meanwhile you also get to dilute the meaning of the thing Americans are programmed to hate. Kill two birds with one stone.
>>2878487>>2878460WE ARE DUGINAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WE CARRY THE FLAME
WE FIGHT FOR THE NAZBOL
WE'LL HONOR HER NAME
>>2878487It's not a weird reaction because it shows how bizarre the war had gotten where they unironically view Dugin as Putin's ideological mastermind and this mystic Rasputin. It is like someone taking out Alex Jones kid because he talked to Trump once and believe Alex Jones to be the real brain behind Trump
>>2878641You’re forgetting that western leftists legitimately believe Russians are subhuman beasts fit only for extermination. Why do you think they’re so supportive of Dugina’s murder?
>>2878643Ain't nobody cares about that dead ho 🤣
How do you guys always find the most retardes shit to argue endlessly about? Lady Dugin didn't deserve to die, can't really fathom how anybody thought that nobody Dugin was worth trying to kill, but at the same time so many innocent people and women and children got killed in this war, nobody cares about Duginess.
>>2878444>Doug was an incelim dying lmao
>>2878643Westerners don't differentiate Russians from Ukrainians or really any other Eastern Euro. They just see it a Slav infighting and cheer based on that.
>>2878644They cared enough to murder her specifically…
>>2878651They were trying to kill papa dugin tard.
>>2878651“Ukrainians” ARE Western Europeans
>>2878651The bomb was meant to kill Dugin but he changed cars with his daughter at the last second. I would almost feel bad about him and Dugina but then I remember they were both fascist pieces of shit and the sadness stops.
>>2878489Explain how Dugin's "4th political theory" differs in amy meaningful way from fascism or any other "third position" fascist bs
>>2878657 land empires are based, trad, multipolar multiethnic, and redpilled while fascism is all about fake racial purity and it failed.
/USApol/
>>2878643>western leftists legitimately believe Russians are subhuman beasts fit only for exterminationdo you have any evidence for this that isn't a reddit screenshot of liberals
>>2878536>he is your average USAnianno he isn't, he's a science youtuber. the average burger is not a science youtuber
>>2878535he's just a petty bourgeois science youtuber. the video is about his struggles to actually make something in america (he fails)
where were u wen dugina was kill
>>2878633>The people who are shocked from the assassination thought the war should be limited to soldiers. how can you be shocked when azovites spent every year since 2014 shelling civilians and pogroming roma
>>2878665in the /ukr/ thread unironically.
>>2878665Fucking your mother, I got an alert on my telegram.
>>2878670>ZionistTo no one's surprise
>>2878652>>2878656Dugin was the bigger target but they tried to get both at the same time because if only Dugin died she would have taken his place.
>>2878654>this is what Ukrainians, Poles and Balkans actually believe.Sorry but eastern euros are not considered part of the western club. Why do you think Nazis killed millions of them and but spared the French?
>>2878633>The people who are shocked from the assassination thought the war should be limited to soldiers.That's because they're behaving as if this is some Twitter spat where they can't be killed IRL. But that's not true.
>>2878670The dumpster is on fire
Should we arrange a Dugin AMA? He is as big of a nobody as Cockshott or Unruhe or anybody else we had. You can contact him on twitter, he gets like no engagement, I'm sure he'd be happy to find somebody remembers he is still alive.
>>2878676I'm gonna mog him with fax and logic
>>2878670remember when people were invoking the Bauman Affair to mock people who didn't like Platner?
I hate this retard so much. Once again he is leading the baseless charges of racism against a progressive candidate. Who made this guy the king of black people? Hopefully he fucking finally dies soon. He's 86 and running again, he's going to make sure he dies in the hospice known as congress.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/james-clyburn-rips-el-sayed-s-rallies-for-lack-of-diversity-tells-me-all-i-need-to-know/ar-AA28tdwCAlso:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jim-clyburn-says-he-didn-t-know-what-chatgpt-was-until-about-a-week-ago/ar-AA28D9Xf>>2878705Because yanks are the devil. France is banning american tech like facebook. Macron say "The brains of our children and our teenagers are not for sale. The emotions of our children and our teenagers are not for sale or to be manipulated by American platforms."
https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/21/world/france-becomes-the-first-eu-country-to-ban-social-media-for-children >>2878633>Fascists can be pro-LGBT rightNever said they couldn't.
>LGBT rights isn't inherently liberalNever said this either.
>>2878709they're just building the police state with an anti american marketing, facebook literally asked for this btw, they lose kids who don't have money but get data on everybody else who are mandated by the government to provode it
>>2878535who cares about the guy. what makes the video interesting is the fact that he tried to manufacture something in the USA and it took him years. he documented the whole process and why it's so difficult. He is unintentionally revealing problems with Capitalism.
>>2878709>Because yanks are the devil. France is banning american tech like facebook.Yank here. I never asked for facebook to exist and I encourage everyone to ban it.
>>2878467CPUSAnon is an out and proud fascist who idolizes Mosley and Sorel and his idea of "Communism" is infinite toys and treats for himself while the American workers do 9-9-6 shifts at the shoe factory.
The fact that you think he's "reasonable" means nothing besides you're a fascist yourself.
>>2878709Internet is soon going to divide itself. EU will have its own internet world, Russia will have its own, China will have its own,etc. Internet trend isn't looking so good
>>2878745CCW permit status?
>>2878725>He is unintentionally revealing problems with Capitalism.The video is literally titled:
The PROBLEM with Capitalism I keep hearing people call Abdul El-Sayed a socialist despite him saying on camera he is a capitalist who has seen through the tricks. How is the guy? Another Mamdani/Bernie type or someone who just plays the game smarter
>>2878762Basically Obama but actually Muslim.
People will hate me for saying that but it’s true
>>2878764Probably a fair assessment but I'll take another Obama vs the "I dream of Israel" lady. Hopefully Sayed doesn't cuck out on Israel. Hell even Obama was tougher on Israel than most Democrats.
>>2878557but dugin isn't proposing a third way. 🙄
>>2878657>differs in amy meaningful way from fascismhe proposes an alliance between all illiberal currents, like fascism, monarchism, nazism, and communism (I don't remember if he proposes other ideologies, the first three are the ones that come to my mind, communism is 100% part of that alliance) to 'overthrow the global liberal dictatorship' - paraphrasing that part in curly quotes.
it's not fascism on itself, simply ahistorically dumb, i.e.: fascism is a betrayal born out of communism, ᴉuᴉlossnW betrayed communism. historically nazism and fascism have betrayed, and were used as a tool to first co-opt communism, then repress and suppress communism.
>>2878700well if there is an AES victory than he should lose a lot of his political capital and nobody will listen to his idiocy again.
>>2878769I can't believe people are stupid enough to think this person has a ghost of chance of winning a general in Michigan. Her republican, whoever it is, is going to just play that on repeat on every single college campus, on every single street corner of Dearborn. Forget the adhan, they'll be playing "Israel comes to me in my dreams" five times a fucking day for the rest of election season.
>>2878754Illegalism is a tool. You use it, or don't use it, depending on the situation at hand. Sometimes, complying with the law is the better decision.
Would you use a wrench to drive a nail? Do any of you soft handed NEETS even know what that is?
I know you've never held one in your hands before. Your liege lord CPUSAnon doesn't even know how to change a battery in his car. One wrench and 5 minutes of work is all it takes, but apparently his elite education never taught him how to do that.
>>2878778You know posting death threats against people online is also illegal dude. Miles could press charges against you easily. What did that "illegalism" accomplish?
>>2878779It kills a fascist.
I would gladly give up my life if it meant that a fascist dies in the process. Miles is a dangerous fascist who constantly spreads his propaganda and worms his way into left wing communities to undermine them from within. He is exactly the sort of "person" that every good Communist should give their life to destroy.
I know, none of you understand what that means, since none of you are Communists, anti-fascists or feel even a shred of duty towards the revolution. At best you're insular book worshippers who know, deep down, that your soft lives would suffer if there was ever a revolution in America, so you do everything you can to avoid it ever happening.
>>2878790Miles despises American workers (Especially left wing ones, who he fantasizes about beating up with gruff, Clint Eastwood looking Korean war vets) and wants them to work 9-9-6 shifts at the shoe factory while he plays with toys all day. "Communism" to him is nothing more than a life of leisure for him and sweatshops for everyone else, which he thinks he's entitled to due to his elite education.
How does this "appeal to the American workers"?
>>2878791How does cumming on pictures of Vladimir Putin appeal to American workers?
>>2878785>>2878791Calm down Sephiroth
>>2878791FEDlix, why are you so sad and pathetic?
>>2878757yeah but that wasn't his mission starting out which is why it was unintentional. this is the 2nd video. he did the naive petty bourgeois thing of "I'm gonna make something in America without sweatshop labor and bring the jobs back" and wham bam thank you ma'am several years later he realizes the problem is systemic. If you listen to his ideas he is just reinventing petty bourgeois and utopian critiques of capitalism. He is afraid to take the Marxpill. So even how it is still unintentional. What is important is he has become a node in a pipeline.
>>2878785>I would gladly give up my life if it meant that a fascist dies in the process.There are plenty of bad powerful people going around making gommunism harder to archieve, so dew it
>>2878791Is Americans working at factories to more evenly share the burden of production with the rest of the world bad now? A few weeks ago you were loudly complaining how CPSUAnon wanted to make Americans pure consumers leaching off the rest of the world was also fascism.
Just amazing how you completely flipped your ideology the instant CPUSA said something positive about factory work…
This thread is going to end up in a true crime video lmao
>>2878791>wants them to work 9-9-6 shifts at the shoe factory while he plays with toys all day.Where did he say that? He works a full time job to my knowledge. I don't know about his personal living situation but I assume he still lives at home because I am familiar with Los Angeles and how common it is for people working full time jobs to perpetually live at home because there is no way to live there otherwise unless you're making big bucks. I know a lot of people who even work multiple jobs who still live at home into their 30s, 40s, 50s, even. I don't know why you think he has some super privileged life. His parents worked as grocers until they retired(or still do maybe) and now he is locked into a job as a grocer despite his college degree, but unlike when his parents were his age it is no longer possible to have a life working a "dead-end" job.
>>2878827All I ask is if I die my obituary reads "Posted too hard"
>>2878828Not going to go into too much of my personal life but I distinctly remember Felix boasting that I was a "glorified" or "upjumped" grocery bagger when I mentioned my job before. So he tends to have contempt for working class people acting "above their station" or whatever.
That said, I'm trying to "learn 2 code" for now. Yes yes, AI taking jobs and whatever, but I figure the worst that happens is I get a new skill even if I'm stuck as a grocer.
>>2878835>That said, I'm trying to "learn 2 code" for now. Yes yes, AI taking jobs and whatever, but I figure the worst that happens is I get a new skill even if I'm stuck as a grocer.Ahh Jesus Christ dude. I have techie friends who already worked in the industry that have been out of work for months or years. You're a fit guy you've said. Go do the trades. My brother is making good money doing general construction. Carpentry as he calls it, but not finish carpentry, as he tells me all small time construction it's "carpenters" at the head of it, but they do all kinds of stuff like landscaping, drywall whatever. He's only been at it a few years and he's already working for himself. I'm thinking of getting into it too. Otherwise, you need to find something fucking niche. Some specialization that everyone isn't currently going for.
>>2878785You'd think if killing CPUSAnon was so important you wouldn't have dropped $1,500 on a fucking competition rifle to do the job, but I guess that's not the way the Zerzetsung crumbles
>>2878948Should have bought a $50 .380
>>2878147
you registered your gun with the cops you aint doing SHIT
>>2878958That said, 6.5 Creedmoor is very popular largely in the Northern parts of the central US because of its performance at very long range, so odds are you've just quietly geolocated yourself to everyone. You've definitely flagged yourself to the feds if you ordered a sniper rifle from the manufacturer and instantly went on fucking TOR to brag about how you are going to shoot someone with it, because it'd be trivially easy to turn around at look at orders for that rifle in this geolocated region to figure out who you are. That is if you haven't used a compromised TOR node to begin with and have long been under monitor by the Feds because of your posting habits.
>>2878960we are very well aware that fedlix lives in portland, oregon
he's doxxed himself to this site repeatedly
>Defense watchdog finds new 155mm artillery plant failed to produce parts in 2 years since it was built, hindering production goals
>In a report released Monday, the Defense Department inspector general found that as of March 2026, the plant had not produced any metal projectile parts that met the specifications laid out in the contract and "the Army's expenditure of $469 million to establish the Mesquite facility could have been used to address other Army or [Department of Defense] priorities." No grill brushes, no medical gloves, no wrenches, no artillery shells. How the fuck is america supposed to wage any kind of total war against an enemy peer that possesses actual manufacturing capabilities like China?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/defense-watchdog-155mm-artillery-plant-production-goals/ >>2878976With hopes and prayers and a bigger penis
There’s only way to save the MIC, and that’s to slice the budget in half, no more 400,000 USD toilets
>>2878989It’s genuinely impressive how profoundly stupid the median Amerikkkan is.
>>2878989>>2878996What if he’s specifically referring to Perestroika and Glasnost?
>>2878976>How the fuck is america supposed to wage any kind of total war against an enemy peer that possesses actual manufacturing capabilities like China?blitzkrieg in the first few years with what they've got functioning, totales Mediasieg, a plateau and collapse. just like hekkkin nazi germerino
>>2879008That would've made more sense before america blew half their missile stockpile in hormuz for no reason
>>2879012>>2878996the US vision is as follows: the conflict will be China vs Japan, S. Korea, the Phillipines, and maybe Indonesia in the east doing a blockade and a tajik/uigher insurgency offensive in the west. The US will be backing up both of these forces directly. They want to force china to move naval and air assets further out to sea to try to break the blockade and engaging with them there instead of directly fighting over something like taiwan right next to the mainland while putting as much pain on their economy as possible.
>>2879026>putting as much pain on their economy as possible.this didn't work on iran, what makes you think america will want to try it on china? the majority of the worlds largest trading partner is china, there's no way a blockade can be done without destroying the world economy that is the source of americas strength (eurodollars for example)
>>2879036yeah it will be a devastating time to live through but I think they will attempt to do it. The conflict with Iran and Russia is part of this, they provide oil and raw materials to China and that needs to be shut down and the insurgency in western China could be better aided if Iran and Russia are subjugated. The West has been signalling quite a bit they are going to try to transition their economies to an industrial war footing, if they can and how quickly is an open question but you can see them making these moves and also moves to lock down the freedoms of the "free" world building up prison and surveillance infrastructure as fast they can.
The feasibility is besides the point, they either eliminate all resistance or face collapse. It's "imperialism: the highest stage of capitalism" hours. They are out of soft targets for taking over and exploiting markets, at least of any sufficient size, and Belt and Road raises wages in places currently facing exploitation and that's dynamite. The cheap labor being imported isn't sustainable, the export of capital is getting diminishing returns. The rate of profit is going down and the contradictions are building, and they know it on some level. They either collapse and exploit Russia, Iran, China, and then squeeze harder on everyone else now that there's no alternatives, or the contradictions come home (more than they already are) and capitalism as they knew it is over. So regardless of whether they can win this they are going to take this all the way, I don't think they are going to leave Iran alone until they win because the simply have no choice.
>>2879043you bring up good points, though america always has a secret third option, start annexing the weak defenseless imperialist states like canada, australia and europe to strengthen itself before the inevitable fight against communist china. that's how ww2 started in europe
>>2879046
Even if you chose a round specifically meant for penetration and used smokeless powder? Obviously black powder with hollow points can take any animal but people are a whole different beast, most murders involving firearms are done with .22lr anyway.
>>2879046
Make sure to extract information from Miles before you let him die. He’d try to torture you for information about your comrades and just for fun, and he almost assuredly has connections to other dangerous fascists who relentlessly push neo-nazi orgs like the DSA. Do it right and you could deal a significant blow to imperialism
quit entertaining the Putin cum tribute guy, he couldn't shoot straight then and he still can't now.
>>2879054It’s funny to try to do a reversal on trolls
>>2879063I mean if he can buy a $1000 rifle for his LARP but he can't slip us an envelop to ban CPUSA Anon, I just take it as a personal insult.
>>2879065nobody wants to give you money for your onlyfans addiction
>>2879050if you can kill a deer with it you can kill a human with it, humans are in the same mass class
>>2878762Look America will need to actually be ISLAMIFIED and live under SHARIA SHERIFFS and TRUMPISTA TARIFFS before her conditions deteriorate to revolutionary levels. i don't make the rules. long live every muslim that makes fox news angry, be they a zohran, a hasan, an abdul, or even a fucking haz
>>2879006faggot i promise you 0.00001% of burgers know what those words mean and senator deb fischer is not one of them
>>2878809>>2878810bro really does have a messiah complex
>>2878791BASED MILES WILL ENSLAVE THE TREATLERITES FOR THEIR CRIMES
THE REAL REVISIONIST FELIX LOVES AMERICAN "WORKKKERS"
>>2879090I will work in the factory 9-9-6 to produce comrade Miles tabletop figurines and comrade Evan's guns which he never uses.
>>2878835>>2878841Go into plumbing or work for a water department or at a wastewater plant
Honestly the worst part about all this is people coming out to support someone as inspid and unlikable as cpusanon out of spite for someone slightly more unlikable.
>>2878450hideous artstyle but at least it's not AI slop (I thinK?)
>>2878841Yeah I've got a friend studying to become an electrician and he's been having fun with that. Part of the issue though is the apprenticeship will mean a pretty rough pay cut, which is also what happened with my college degree back in the day.
Truth be told I might just pursue some kind of internal promotion, become a mate or something.
>>2879155It's an old divide and conquer tactic used by state agents for at least a decade to steer online conversations.
>>2878824Wait, did I say something positive about factory work recently?
As for my actual opinion on the division of labor, I think America should broadly reindustrialize and I don't think that's possible under Capitalism. As long as our system is dictated by what is creates the most profitable outputs (which I'd argue inevitably leads to financialization and companies getting paid to do nothing) then we can't see meaningful productivity that actually benefits society as a whole.
That said I also think that automation has rendered a lot of factory work obsolete, so rather than reintroducing some 20th century Fordist assembly line out of some "moral" stance, it'd be better off if we could eliminate the need for people to work in specific industries and use the influx of available labor to reduce people's working hours across the board with limited impacts on their standard of living.
This is really the best that White America has to offer.
>Hannity: "My President, Lindsey probably has a heavenly version of Mar-a-Lago. It may even be a little bigger. I wouldn't be surprised if he added one big beautiful ballroom and an arch somewhere on the property. Because he would want to obviously duplicate his dearest friend in life. You."
You cant make this shit up
>>2879216This is white people's culture. Show some respect.
>>2879216🥲 So beautiful, semper fi.
>>2879216>>2879230How many of the 7 deadly sins have been broken at this funeral so far?
>>2879238Is that why you participate in a party that that function as their meat shields?
>>2879241Wrath:
>>2879230Sloth:
>>2879192Gluttony:
>>2879214Greed:
>>2879216Every second probably pride. I think the only one they haven't broken is Lust because all these crackers are hideous.
>>2879184Why are these ghouls so fucking fat? Is every dead Palestinian, whose death they rejoice in and celebrate, a calorie somehow?
>>2879238In general, religion is retarded, and I have yet to see one that doesn't qualify in some form or another as a "death cult" since they usually make unknowable claims about what happens after death
>>2879242>Is that why you participate in a party that that function as their meat shields?pretty sure the last people in the CPUSA to actually die for something was that married couple who gave nuclear secrets to the soviets
>>2879255oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink oink
>>2879262>how will i get food>how will i get water>how will i get shelter>how will i pay rent>where will i find a job>where will i find a spouse>how will i provide for my children >how do i avoid jail>how do i avoid becoming the victim of crimes>where is the safest place for me to live>how will i find transportation>is my form of life sustainable>where can i find friends>what should i do for fun>how do i maximize my leisure timethese are the questions people would ask FIRST if not for religion being ubiquitous and inserting itself into every aspect of life. only after achieving a lot of free time do people ponder abstract questions like "what happens to me after i die?" and "does the mind outlast the body?"
These are questions people asked long before they knew much about science so they came up with intuitive but naive answers, and then they created institutions whose purpose was to indoctrinate people to agree with these answers for the purposes of social cohesion and loyalty tests.
>>2879265I dunno, I thought about it late at night all the time since I was a little little kid. I guess I had free time and didn't have to worry about those other questions.
>>2879268>I thought about it late at night all the time since I was a little little kidme too but i came to realize:
>I had free time and didn't have to worry about those other questions.then later on i came to realize questions which cannot be repeatably tested with science in a controlled environment are unknowable beyond the domain of a person's subjective experience, and every claim to universal knowledge about these questions is either a hallucination or a confidence trick or projecting one's own subjective experiences onto everyone else, or a combination of the above. Any time anyone claims to have a supernatural experience they may be mistaking a hallucination or subjective experience for reality and since they have no way to prove what happened to them in a repeatable way it cannot enter the domain of humanity's collective knowledge. It can only remain in the domain of their subjective experience. Now we know that subjective experience comes from brain activity, and the brain can be damaged and changed through physical force and emotional trauma and substance abuse. So the soul is not this eternal unchangeable thing that outlasts the person, but is the activity of the sensory apparatus, as far as we are able to tell. If a claim is not testable there is nothing we can say to it but. "OK? And?"
>>2879237
you are correct about the dengoid question
>>2879260To be honest I think people focus way too heavily on the "afterlife" part of Religions. Which I don't really blame people for because the cultural milieu of American Protestantism (which tends to be the most vocal strain of Christianity, at least in the western world) is more obsessed with endings and eschaton than anything else.
>>2879262>videpilepsy warning, comrades
(also it's not even a scene from the movie, just title credits)
>>2879276religion minus supernatural claims about the afterlife are literally just social clubs. people focus on that aspect of it because that is what makes them so manipulative.
>>2879278>epilepsyGood, then they can really enter the void.
>>2879260A lot of buddhism sects are about freeing oneself from suffering in this very life. As a matter of fact one of the core tenets of buddhism is that there is no such thing as an eternal self or soul.
>>2879281oh, you're
that anon.
>>2879284they still push reincarnation and karma which are afterlife claims. also the tibetan buddhists were slave owning theocrats defeated by the communist party of china.
>>2879283yeah i saw this movie in my early 20s. didn't leave much of an impact tbh
>>2879288I really wonder why leftypol brings up the tibetan buddhists as if they were the only buddhists that exist. There's like a fucking thousand buddhism sects and some completely disregard the hindu cosmology where the whole karma thing comes from in the first place.
>>2879280I mean there's more to spirituality than just "what happens after death?" that's what I'm saying. The conversation around it basically just gets boiled down to "will I go to heaven or hell after I die?" When even Saints didn't obsess entirely over that question and often focused on contemporary matters.
>>2879273I got to hit the gym here so I don't really have time to answer everything but Dr. Justin Sledge had a really great video recently that I'll link here (ignore the clickbait thumbnail) where he basically talks about this rationalist myth we've created for ourselves about the scientific method, and that figures like Isaac Newton were more concerned with alchemy and theology than mathematics. We try to divorce these spiritualist or "woo-woo" elements from them to create this myth of ever triumphant rationality, to push these more "mystic" aspects of these figures to the margins and claim its completely irrelevant to the science they did, even if they make bizarre claims that they uncovered some mass formula when a goddess visited them in a dream.
>>2879292>I really wonder why leftypol brings up the tibetan buddhists as if they were the only buddhists that exist. Because that's what's in the movie? ???
>>2879294What movie are you talking about? I just got into the thread if some people were talking about Kundun or some shit then I dont give a fuck.
>>2879292because people on imageboards just get things from memes
>>2879292I am bringing up an example of Buddhists being reactionary on the off chance someone is trying to push them as a less reactionary alternative to other religions. If that is not what you are doing I apologize.
> There's like a fucking thousand buddhism sects and some completely disregard the hindu cosmology where the whole karma thing comes from in the first place.I have yet to see a case for why religion is needed. As far as I can tell religion in its least objectionable form is just a mixture of philosophy and social clubs. If you can arrive at the same conclusions using your own reasoning, without taking a prefabricate philosophy as a package deal and tying yourself to its institutions, then why not just do that? What is the need for the particularizing force of religion other than achieving approximate political control over the followers?
>>2879298Religion literally are just memes and philosophies that enter societies unquestionably accept as a package deal. Maybe they install mods which become syncretisms or sects..
>>2879304> that enter societies entire* societies
>>2879293>I mean there's more to spirituality than just "what happens after death?" that's what I'm saying. The conversation around it basically just gets boiled down to "will I go to heaven or hell after I die?" When even Saints didn't obsess entirely over that question and often focused on contemporary matters.Jesus's whole thing was promising eternal life. What the fuck religion do they teach you in Catholic school?
>Jesus said unto her, “I am the resurrection and the Life. He that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live; and whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. >does shikantaza in your direction
boo!
>>2879306Yes and he also taught about feeding the poor and healing the sick—to reduce the entirety of the faith to the end of an individual’s life is reductive
>>2879293>I mean there's more to spirituality than just "what happens after death?"Give an example. It is likely, based on past similar conversations I have had, that I will either find it to be unobjectionable and part of the domain of things that can also be addressed by completely secular means, or I will find it to be part of the domain of imprecise and philosophical stuff that we can do better than.
>>2879293>Dr. Justin Sledge had a really great video recently that I'll link here (ignore the clickbait thumbnail) where he basically talks about this rationalist myth we've created for ourselves about the scientific method, and that figures like Isaac Newton were more concerned with alchemy and theology than mathematics. Enjoy your time at the gym.
I liked his video about the evolution of Yahweh from a minor Canaanite War Deity into the object of World Monotheism, but I must say in no uncertain terms that appealing to a time when the scientific method was still slowly separating itself from natural philosophy does not impress me. I'm sorry. Isaac Newton's interest in alchemy and numerology may have "inspired" him to make actual important discoveries, but it was not
specifically necessary or essential to those discoveries. It was more
generally necessary in the broader sense that humanity did not receive the scientific method from the heavens fully formed, but had to slowly stumble into it through natural philosophy. These things should be treated as historical curiosities rather than the continual necessities. Skepticism of particular scientists and scientific institutions and incentive structures surrounding science within class society are more than welcome, but the method itself is sound, when performed correctly, and a reversion to natural philosophy and religion are hardly necessary to get work done.
>>2879311bro it's like the whole point of the tihng
>>2879311>Yes and he also taught about feeding the poor and healing the sick—to reduce the entirety of the faith to the end of an individual’s life is reductiveJesus preached celibacy and renunciation of all possessions for the sake of heaven.
>Jesus said unto him, “If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell what thou hast and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in Heaven; and come and follow Me.”
>His disciples said unto Him, “If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.”
> But He said unto them, “All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs who were so born from their mother’s womb, and there are some eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.” AI generated dead internet theory has merged with the fact checking neoliberal psyop industry
>Israel Is Paying Millions to Train AI Chatbots How to Talk About Gaza. It's Working.>Former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale is overseeing an operation posting hundreds of blog posts on behalf of Israel, with the goal of infiltrating artificial intelligence. https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israel-brad-parscale-ai-chatbots-gaza<All of Parscale’s websites contain a statement at the bottom which states “this material is distributed by Clock Tower X LLC on behalf of the State of Israel.” This statement is a mandatory disclosure requirement under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). Despite this, when Drop Site asked prominent chatbots about the latest news from Paxpoint.org, Perplexity and Copilot did not flag that the site was created as part of an Israeli influence operation. Claude, ChatGPT, and Gemini did flag the caveat.>>2879315>Give an example. It is likely, based on past similar conversations I have had, that I will either find it to be unobjectionable and part of the domain of things that can also be addressed by completely secular means, or I will find it to be part of the domain of imprecise and philosophical stuff that we can do better than. I mean for one you’ve got these profound mystical experiences that are both personally transformative and collectively meaningful—they’ve shown to be able to shape collective society either through the birth of new religions or impacting social trends within existing ones.
As for secularism being able to do all that in some superior way, I have to disagree. Socialists have found that secular voluntary communities were far less capable of maintaining themselves long term compared to religious ones.
>>2879317I mean the religious worldview is one of an active and living cosmology in, I’d argue, most cases. To reduce it to “what happens after we die” or claim it’s solely about an event or series of events which only impact people after death is like taking a math equation and saying “well you don’t have to understand what the formula is or what it was created for, just know that if you input these variables you get these outputs.”
>>2879311>>2879317>>2879319Reminder that Christianity was a political movement in Roman occupied Judea which evolved into a religion after several decades of a telephone game
>30-40 CE, some dude gets crucified on passover. there are a lot of confusing stories about him which are not written down but coalesce into a political movement that both Jewish priests and Roman governors find annoying >40-50 CE, followers spread teachings orally. Nothing written down. persecution is widespread>50-70 CE Paul starts by oppressing Christians but then converts and essentially creates the religion as we know it through his written epistles, before the gospels are even written>70 CE Titus Flavius destroys Jerusalem, Josephus writes "War of the Jews," the earliest surviving non Christian source to mention Christianity. In the war much early sources are lost including potentially lists of sayings of Jesus and early forms of the gospels. >70-CE - 100 CE the synoptic gospels (Mark, Luke, Matthew) from the new testament are composed. Scholars do not attribute these to the actual followers they are named after, but to later authors who write in Greek, and were likely well educated and wealthy converts who operated illegal underground churches in their estates. Among these early converts was a niece of emperor Titus, Flavia Domitilla (wife of Clemens). Archeologists and scholars assume Mark is the oldest for several reasons I will not include in this short post>90-110 CE John is written later than the others, includes more/different details than the other gospel stories. Christianity is evolving beyond its earliest forms and becoming more polemical against Rome than against Jerusalem, since Jerusalem is now destroyed. >Early 2nd century: Revelation is written, giving Christianity a highly political and anti-Roman character that it may not have had in the early decades, when comparing the early Jesus movement with, for example, the Jewish rebels who fought the Romans around the same time. >2nd century: several gospels are written which are now considered apocryphal>2nd century: Christianity grows to have more gentile than Jewish converts, and loses its emphasis on old testament law, while not dropping it entirely.>many now forgotten sects and interpretations of Christianity (including Arian and Gnostic forms) compete, with Pauline/Nicene forms eventually winning out and becoming the state religion of rome. >>2879325I don't really know what you personally mean by profound or mystical. And I promise I'm not being dumb here. I have used psychedelics and had "mystical" and "profound" experiences but after the mind-altering effects of hallucinogens wear off, I "come to my senses" so to speak and admit to myself that hallucinations and subjective woo do not constitute something universal. And I definitely don't think such experiences entitle me to claim knowledge, enforce doctrines, or found movements.
I really don't understand what religion is useful for that cannot be also achieved through entirely secular means.
religion is for weak individuals straight up
>>2879311you can feed the poor and heal the sick without needing to be religious
>>2879336Nah man, I get where you’re coming from. As for myself I’ve had some experiences on hallucinogens, while I’d hesitate to say they were wholly “mystical”—if only because I don’t want to falsely elevate myself—I can say the effects it had on me were profound and lasting.
Some people see angels or gods and have these profound experiences, other people see their friends’ faces turn into pig monsters. This isn’t to say “take every single acid trip as profound”, but rather if you have an experience that you find profound, to sit in that experience and internalize it rather than dismiss it entirely as just chemicals firing off.
As for the secular vs religious argument again, I think I mostly said my piece with the bit about secular communities collapsing vs religious ones, but if I had to add onto it, I would say even the most impactful secular ideologies require a truly profound kind of abolition of rationality in order to have any impact. The example I’ve used before is that under a completely rationalized worldview, Marxism collapses because it requires a revolution that risks the total destruction of countless lives. Even if it promises heaven on earth, if you’re one of the many people that get devoured by the revolution you’ve failed, you’re reduced to atoms, there’s no material prosperity for you.
Granted I’m not advocating that people dismiss all rationality and entertain superstitions, but that people dismiss everything outside a narrow worldview of the scientific method are dismissing something that’s been physically impactful and with us for as long as we’ve been human.
>>2879339>>2879357you're both faggots and should commit suicide
>>2879357
>you are the pornhub addicted soyjak if you are not religious
is this really the extent of your thoughts?
Syria’s Sharaa: Working on security pact with Israel, could lead to comprehensive peace deal
Syrian leader tells Al Jazeera that Damascus has no interest in conflict with Israel; again rejects Trump’s urgings for him to send troops to deal with Hezbollah in Lebanon
Syrian President Ahmed al-Sharaa said in an interview aired Sunday that his country is working toward a security agreement with Israel, which he said could eventually pave the way for comprehensive peace between the two neighbors.
In excerpts from the interview set to air on Al Jazeera later in the day, Sharaa said that several countries are involved in the negotiations between Damascus and Jerusalem, which he said is focused on reaching an arrangement that would see the Israeli military leave the buffer zone it seized after the 2024 ouster of Syria’s longtime ruler Bashar al-Assad.
The two countries, which have no formal relations and are officially in a state of war, have since been engaged in several rounds of US-backed talks, and in January agreed to establish an intelligence-sharing mechanism, as well as encouraging diplomacy and commercial opportunities between them.
Talks for a wider security deal, aimed at reviving a 1974 disengagement agreement that established a UN-monitored buffer zone between Israel and Syria after the 1973 Yom Kippur War, are ongoing.
Sharaa said that he hoped such an agreement would lead to comprehensive peace talks with Israel, without Syria relinquishing its claim to the Golan Heights, which Israel captured during the 1967 Six Day War and later annexed in a move that Syria and most countries don’t recognize.
He further told the Qatari outlet that Syria had no interest in a confrontation with Israel and was seeking to avoid one.
Again rejects Lebanon intervention
Turning to US President Donald Trump’s repeated suggestions that Syria could intervene militarily in Israel’s conflict against the Iran-backed Hezbollah terror group in Lebanon, Sharaa again said that his country had no intention of launching any such operations.
Damascus would instead look to support the Lebanese government in its attempts to disarm Hezbollah, he said, adding that his cabinet was currently discussing ways to help Beirut without military intervention.
He also declared his firm backing for Beirut to restrict weapons and decision-making power to the state, in an apparent dig at Hezbollah, which again dragged the country into war when it joined the US-Israeli war with Iran earlier this year by firing rockets and drones into northern Israel.
Trump has repeatedly pushed Syria to intervene militarily in Lebanon, saying that Israel does not know how to fight the Iran-backed terror group “without knocking buildings down,” and that “I’m close to giving it over to Syria.”
But Sharaa, who has been focused on rebuilding Syria and gaining domestic and international legitimacy since his Islamist forces ousted Assad in late 2024, has consistently rejected the idea of Syrian forces going to war against Hezbollah, a former Assad ally.
In his Sunday interview, he said that any eruption of conflict in Lebanon would necessarily impact Syria, and that any expansion of war could lead to a major regional collapse.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/syrias-sharaa-talks-with-israel-ongoing-could-lead-to-comprehensive-peace-deal/>>2879357
Yeah that's right we smoke weed and eat cheeseburgers, these are normal, worldy activities to partake in. Superstitious-minded folk and practicers of rituals are cringe and reactionary peasant coded
>>2879350
in the sense that he wrote the foundational texts that actually became the basis of the religion in the form it was passed down to us.
early christianity was a lot like a political movement in that there were a ton of people with competing ideas calling each other heretrics (revisionists) and trying to come out on top. Pauline/Nicene Christianity is the form that came to us. You should finish reading that post because it elaborates on this. This isn't a "take" it is what the evidence shows.
>>2879369
i don't see the necessary connection. a religious person can be porn addict, and a nonreligious person can be non porn addicted. It's just lazy slander. You would be making a stronger case for religino by showing how religion is necessary, not drawing everyone who disagrees as a strawman who jacks off a lot.
>>2879371why are you agreeing with his slander instead of challenging it? annoying…. are you his ally?
>>2879357
Nah I disagree here. There are plenty of great atheist philosophers and thinkers out there. I don’t think atheism “makes” anyone “weak”—I think that like a lot of people who grow up nebulously “Christian” that with atheism there’s just kind of a default to the status quo with some. People adopt the label then feel by adopting that label they’ve “slain the dragon” as it were and don’t need to develop their thoughts or worldview any further.
Like let’s not forget we’re living in the 21st century, nominal christians are just as addicted to pornhub and capeshit as everyone else.
>>2879360i dont want anyone who believes in spirits ghosts and demons on my team, they are a liability
>>2879378
the gospels were written later than the pauline epistles, and were not written by the apostles. archeological evidence shows that the pauline epistles are the earliest text, and were not likely written by early followers of Jesus, who were poor and uneducated workers, but by Greek-speaking literate people who became allies of the Jesus movement after 70 CE
>>2879386
I don't see how posting reactionary soyjaks from 4chan is productive or defensible in a conversation like this. You can start explaining why religion is necessary which is the original subject.
>>2879339>>2879357these two lowered the quality of the discussion so much. thanks fed 2 fed communication
>>2879388
Original topic: Is religion necessary or can the same things be achieved by secular means
New subject: are atheists porn addicted soyjaks who eat cheeseburger and browse tik tok? LOOK AT MY MS PAINT SCRIBBLES NOW
>>2879393
If I ask you to defend your position by means other than reactionary drawings it means I am stupid?
>>2879393
You are just a cruel and spiteful person who isn't really interested in the discussion beyond lowering its quality.
>>2879399
You are being obnoxious, it is true.
>>2879401
Have a nice day.
>>2879350
I don’t think it can be denied that Paul played maybe one of the largest roles next to Jesus himself. While I think saying he “created Christianity as we know it” is kind of a simplification, it can’t be denied he shaped it.
However Paul himself wasn’t this unique figure that stands outside history, and I think it’s even more interesting to look at Paul as part of a wider theological ecosystem. Going back to Justin Sledge, he kind of connects Paul to the long history of Jewish mystics. Paul himself was a Roman citizen and I think this creates an interesting link between the world of Rabbinical Judaism and Hellenistic philosophy.
>>2879410
I never said Paul created Christianity though. However I think his role in shaping early Christianity is both undeniable and massive. He took it from a Jewish sect into a universal religion.
>>2879413I think the (now deleted) troll meant to respond to me in this post:
>>2879374 >>2879413you started replying to a chain of replies with that claim.
>>2879416Lindsey was a huge ukraine hawk and was obssessed with donbass minerals
>>2879417yeah but he didn't make the claim, i did
>>2879416the vid is weird, netanyahu gets mad at Zman in the beginning
>>2879420kayfabe between dogs of the empire
>>2879422i think the dogs are realizing there's only so many scooby snacks to be handed out
>>2879421
you really got upset didn't you?
>>2879421
>works in real life
you think any of us actually goes outside
>>2879414I’ve been reading some of the “Gnostic” Gospels and I think one of the most interesting aspects about them is that while these early Christian communities had undeniable faith in Jesus and God, many of them developed radically different interpretations of Christ’s teachings. One standout is the Gospel of Mary Magdalene developing a theology around the abolition of gender as a concept.
>>2879430I like the Infancy Gospel of Thomas because it explains how Jesus killed a bunch of people and was basically like a demon child that plagued his village until they taught him to not do evil and he brought back all the people he killed to life.
http://www.gnosis.org/library/inftoma.htm
>And the parents of him that was dead came unto Joseph, and blamed him, saying: Thou that hast such a child canst not dwell with us in the village: or do thou teach him to bless and not to curse: for he slayeth our children.
>V. 1 And Joseph called the young child apart and admonished him, saying: Wherefore doest thou such things, that these suffer and hate us and persecute us? But Jesus said: I know that these thy words are not thine: nevertheless for thy sake I will hold my peace: but they shall bear their punishment. And straightway they that accused him were smitten with blindness.Apparently the Quran stole some stuff from this one in what they say about Jesus lol.
Could someone (maybe cpusanon) explain why the politicos dont just declare themselves to be the supreme governor of the washington national cathedral given how it keeps showing up when they're trying to give state events a veneer of religiousity? Just rip off the bandaid amd declare the american civil religion the state theology lol
>>2879440>Just rip off the bandaid amd declare the american civil religion the state theology lolthe entire pretense of the conservative movement in this country is that america is a christian nation founded on judeo christian values and that israelis are brave crusaders destroying islam and avenging 9/11. if you let that fall apart by admitting that american civil religion was the real state theology all along then the cat is out of the bag
So I'm hearing that Netanyahu told Trump to drop a "big one" on Iran to give Lindsey a proper send-off.
>>2879430>One standout is the Gospel of Mary Magdalene developing a theology around the abolition of gender as a concept.Based
Democrats lose patience with embattled DNC chairhttps://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5992626-democrats-patience-dnc-ken-martin-midterms/
>Democrats say they have lost patience with Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chair Ken Martin amid his precarious tenure at the national party.>Some members of the party see the problems facing Martin as creating an unwelcome distraction for Democrats as they look to flip control of Congress this fall. And a rash of headlines and social media chatter about Martin over the weekend have only exacerbated the problems facing the DNC chair.
<The New York Times reported the party chair has been increasingly anxious about losing his job and threw a phone at an aide’s desk earlier this month in frustration, prompting a human resources complaint. Sources told the Times that Martin met with human resources after the incident. The DNC declined to comment to The Hill about the incident.
<The party also received renewed attention around its finances this week. While it had been previously reported that the DNC took out a $15 million line of credit last fall, Washington, D.C., property deeds, first reported by NOTUS, confirmed the national party specifically put up its building as collateral for the loan — a measure the DNC has previously undertaken with other loans over the years.
>Though House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) expressed his support for Martin over the weekend, the news is diverting attention away from Democrats’ goal of taking back the House and potentially the Senate in November as they look to 2028.>“At this point, I think there is no saving Martin’s chairmanship. He is a good man with good intentions but simply not meeting this critical moment,” Rufus Gifford, who served as the finance chair of former Vice President Kamala Harris’s 2024 campaign, wrote in a Substack post on Monday.<Democrats began to scoff at Martin’s tenure months ago when they realized the party’s fundraising wasn’t where it needed to be. But the annoyance level with Martin reached a fever pitch this spring when he decided to release an autopsy of Democrats’ loss in the 2024 election after previously declining to do so.<Democrats — even those who wanted the report released — fumed that the autopsy was riddled with errors and omissions. Martin said he did not endorse the report and that it hadn’t met his standards, but he said “transparency is paramount.”
>As one strategist put it, “I think the autopsy was the beginning of the end. No one was happy with the result.” <Still, Democrats say they have tried to look past the flub, as well as the other criticisms of Martin. But recent headlines around Martin’s tenure and the DNC’s finances have made that increasingly hard.<For one, the latest federal campaign finance reports filed in July showed a tale of two political parties: The Republican National Committee raised close to $17 million in June and had more than $128 million in the bank while the DNC raised more than $10 million during that same period and is essentially $2 million in debt.
>The Times also noted the DNC asked vendors to submit invoices after the election. DNC Executive Director Roger Lau noted in a statement that “this is nothing more than standard negotiations with vendors over contracts and payment processes.”<Meanwhile, a copy of the loan agreement the DNC filed to the Federal Election Commission last fall indicated real estate, such as its Washington, D.C., headquarters, could be included as collateral, though the exact asset was not immediately listed.<A DNC official pointed out to The Hill that the office has been used as collateral previously, including in 2014, 2018 and 2019. >>2879454He's campaigning so remember that, they're going in to an election soonish.
>>2879454I don't want anyone to call Trump a "populist" ever fucking again.
He never was, but this one issue in particular is SO politically toxic you'd have to be 100% compromised to willingly dive straight into it. He could not be more against the will of the American people in this moment.
>>2879440>Could someone (maybe cpusanon) explain why the politicos dont just declare themselves to be the supreme governor of the washington national cathedral given how it keeps showing up when they're trying to give state events a veneer of religiousity? Just rip off the bandaid amd declare the american civil religion the state theology lolAs
>>2879445 said there's still that paper-thin veneer of Christianity, but I'd like to go a little deeper. I remember seeing one comment from a person discussing Christian Nationalism ages ago where they claimed their evangelical parents were worried that Trump was the antichrist because… "he's too good at bringing peace" and, according to American Protestant eschatology, the antichrist is going to usher in a period of world peace and global unity.
Christian Nationalism has fused into this symbiotic thing with American Civil Religion; one of the earliest thinkers or promoters of Christian Nationalism (I think going back to the 19th century even) literally called the Constitution "The Gospel of America". What Christian Nationalists have done is make a narrow conception of American Civil Religion co-equal with the church, the founders co-equals of the saints and angels, and things like the Declaration of Independence to be "holy texts".
What's funny is I think there was kind of an alternative proposed by centrist libs ages ago, with like Gore Vidal kind of wanting a polytheistic American Civil Religion to get the Jesus-freaks out of government. Y'know, rooting America more in Platonism or Stoicism than Christianity.
Trump is about as close as you can get to basically publicly proclaiming himself to be a religious figure, and see many pastors and evangelicals declare him to be "chosen by God" or what have you, but I don't think they really have the framework for it…
yet.I think with shit like the Trump bibles and the increasing fusion of Christian Nationalism as the fig leaf ideology of MAGA, you might end up with a distinct break where the state publicly codifies "this is our theology, everyone else fuck off."
>>2879486I heard those reporters who interviewed a lot of people in his admin say that the people who are there this term literally believe he is anointed by god, because "he survived 3 assassination attempts" or something.
>>2879492>Doing the cringe SWPie rapist festivalChrist. i despise these people.
>>2879494It's true, they all gangraped me together.
>>2879496Didn't you read the report? We gotta keep the numbers up.
>>2879501I've always thought "Cancel Thanksgiving" is a bizarre take given it celebrates one of the occasions colonists and natives came together. While you can acknowledge the peace between them ultimately didn't last, it's like getting upset at the Christmas Truce 'cause men went right back to killing each other after.
>>2879487There's a weird undercurrent of superstition in these American Protestant types. Like stuff that's straight up "Oh no, God is
actively doing miracles for me in my daily life. I prayed for more tacos when I ordered at the local taco truck and I found two extra tacos in my meal, like he manifested those tacos there."
Its extra weird because there's also that bit in Protestant eschatology where "the antichrist is wounded but miraculously survives and people think its a sign he's god chosen."
>>2879501>the bar is rock fucking bottomYou say that, but Im 99% sure this woman out rizzes any of us here. Also, it' still a win compared to your garden variety neo-lib Zionautomatons so Im not sure why your even bitching.
>>2879440While its something that the ruling class freaks believe in, actual civic engagement (or even fake theatrical civil engagement) by the people is at an all-time low, so if they did that everyone would probably just make fun of them and it'd make obvious the conflict between the more apathetic-secular broader masses of America and the insane freaks which control the country.
>>2879506>given it celebrates one of the occasions colonists and natives came togetherBecause this narrative is completely wrong, Thanksgiving as an event started in the US as a mundane religious prayer celebrating the massacre of the Pequots.
The idea of it as a Holiday started as a commemoration of the nation coming together after the Civil War. Really, Thanksgiving-as-Holiday has nothing to do with Natives.
>>2879521The Pequot war was after the first thanksgiving, which was celebrated between Pilgrims and the Wampanoag tribe given the tribe helped them survive a particularly brutal winter. The "oh its a holiday to celebrate murdering a bunch of natives" is basically a false narrative that gets paraded around to retroactively paint the event as "bad".
>>2879528You're just parroting First Thanksgiving myths. It was not devised as a celebration for their co-operation, the Wampanoags were not even invited. They showed up because they thought the Pilgrims were under attack by a rival tribe.
It was also not the "first", thanksgiving was a simple religious ceremony thanking God, was done many times before, and this particular one in 1621 was completely forgotten about until the 19th century.
The actual origins of thanksgiving are irrelevant if you can shift the narrative enough. It's also just obviously a big harvest festival like every other euro culture has.
>>2879501she is correct and based
>>2879516The only thing wrong with hong is that she's not a marxist, that's it. It's a win but the next step is actual marxists winning
>>2879492Will they debatte the benefits of soldiers raping people in third world countries
>>2879531Again, the event that's celebrated as "The First Thanksgiving" is an event where the Pilgrims and Wampanoag tribe held a feast together peacefully, in part because the pilgrims were enjoying a bounteous harvest.
What you're claiming is "The REAL first thanksgiving celebration" happened later, and amounts to "Well a colonial governor called for a 'thanksgiving' as a general term after colonists were victorious over the pequot, ergo Thanksgiving is a holiday celebrating Indian Genocide" which is absurd. It's taking something entirely unrelated to the mythological origins of thanksgiving and the actual history of thanksgiving, and claiming its verboten as a holiday and simply can't be celebrated because someone used the term "thanksgiving" later to celebrate a military victory.
>>2879501i'm gonna eat a lot with my family on that day and not really give a fuck about pilgrims or what they did with their blunderbusses. I hope she wins her election or whatever.
>>2879586>it was literally 2 more weeks and they stopped itthey said 2050 and they meant it. did you not read?
>Bill Kristol (yes, the son of that neocon Irving Kristol) suggests putting The Bulwark’s Sarah Longwell in charge of leading the DNC (Democratic National Committee)
it's going to happen, the DNC will be officially controlled by 'ex'-republicans.
>>2879531>It was also not the "first", thanksgiving was a simple religious ceremony thanking God, was done many times beforeSo then the event in 1621 wasn't really the first Thanksgiving in the sense of the holiday then was it? I think CPUSAnon has a point, at least insofar as the mythology of the holiday and what it's supposed to celebrate is cooperation and peaceful coexistence between settlers and natives, not killing them. Even if the original event it was based on was a celebration of a military victory, the fact that it's no longer celebrated as that is a good thing no? At any rate its the best holiday because big meals and seeing family are good but buying presents is a pain in the ass. So it's got all the best parts about Christmas and none of the annoying parts.
So AI companies are apparently destroying rare books now. They’re buying them up, cutting off the spines, scanning all the pages, then pulping the paper.
Honestly feel like AI has become the perfect metaphor for the destructive nature of modern capitalism.
>>2879696out of print =/= rare
>>2879703nowhere in this article does it talk about the books being 'rare'. if these books were actually valuable they wouldn't be cheaply bought from book collectors
>But many companies, including Anthropic, have turned to ingesting physical books instead, which they can buy countless used copies of on the cheap. According to the settled lawsuit, Anthropic used a hydraulic powered cutting machine to neatly remove the pages from the books it procured from book resellers and then scanned them using industrial-grade imaging equipment. In other words, it was literally ripping off authors’ books to train its AI.good. FUCK copyright and FUCK rent seeking authors as far as im concerned
>>2879707if they were actually rare they wouldn't be available to bulk purchase for pennies
>>2879704>One small book seller said that in April, he suddenly went from selling no more than 20 books a week to hundreds, and he’s almost certain that the customers are AI labs, noting the random selection of the books and how they all have ISBNs. He added that his inventory is full with rare and out of print books, meaning that an AI company could be destroying some of the few remaining copies that can be found.
>“I personally have mixed feelings about all of this,” the bookseller told 404. “It benefits me financially as well as by clearing out old inventory that is otherwise unlikely to sell. I’ve been well-suited for these sales with inventory from overseas and foreign language books. On the other hand, I don’t like the end-use, and I don’t like that uncommon books are being pulped.”
>More antique books may be endangered. 404 noted how rare booksellers in the Netherlands are being inundated with bulk purchases they believe are being made by AI companies, though they can’t know for sure.https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-companies-destroying-rare-books
???
expensive?
rare=expensive is a subjective definitory term.
>>2879708You do not understand capitalism
>>2879709>>2879710what social value did those
rare books have in society sitting there doing nothing in a Private Collection in the first place? what anthropic did was undercut the private collector, the copyright holder and the rent seeking author by ripping out and storing the information in a way I might actually benefit from in the future from by it being incorporated in databases. the whining around new technology is getting old, nobody gives a shit about worthless books
>>2879711Don’t bother, westoids will always be seething over their “literature” being treated with its actual value
>>2879708bulk doesnt mean its 100 copies of the same book you complete idiot
>>2879712>>2879711>only westerners care about preserving knowledgeCan’t tell if this is a parody of third worldists or not.
>>2879711>storing the information in a way I might actually benefit fromyou will never be granted access to whatever databases these silicon valley ghouls built. chances are there won't be databases of scans/copies of these books ('cos storage is expensive). likewise, your 'benefit' of the weights of whatever model was trained on these books is literally zero. but whatever, this board is flooded with actual neonazi turboretards who do not even make an effort to pretend they are anything but.
>>2879711Let's cut down more middlemen. I'll just eat the pages of the rare books and shit down your throat. That way you get as much knawwlege out of them as you'd get from prompting AI, and I promise I consume way less resources than a single datacenter.
>>2879718>you will never be granted access to whatever databases these silicon valley ghouls built. anthropics llm is free to use btw. least out of touch leftypoler
People crying about mass market paperbacks and other books in print being destroyed is so funny. Majority of the books are still in print and cheap. Wait until these dweebs find out how many books university libraries throw away after their annual summer sale. A lot of these “rare” books have been scanned by IA and scraped by Saint Anna’s so who cares?
>>2879718>>2879723Firstly these books aren’t being destroyed for archiving, they’re being destroyed because AI companies admitted they’ve poisoned all their training data thanks to rampant AI use—ie lots of books on the market right now are being written by AI and if incorporated into training data they’re creating a negative feedback loop of worse writing.
They’re destroying books so someone can write a prompt like “make a SpongeBob episode written like an epic by Homer.
Secondly these aren’t “mass market paperback books”, many of them are antiques and rare.
But this all goes back to my argument that plenty of “Marxists” out there use ideology as a thin mask for anti-social behavior that ultimately poisons the image of the ideology
>LESS IS ENOUGH
<By Wendell Berry, from the foreword to the fiftieth-anniversary edition of The Unsettling of America: Culture and Agriculture, which will be published this month by Counterpoint.
>In 1974, it became plain to me that things and ways dear to me were already gone from my native countryside, were leaving, or were seriously threatened. I became forty years old in that year, and I had a lot to learn. Because of my upbringing, the federal tobacco program, and the neighbors that had been my birthright in that place, I had a lot to learn that I did not know I needed to know.
>My homeland, my place and people, were diminishing, and this was permanently shocking and grievous to me. In the naïveté of my forty years, I assumed that others were as aggrieved about this as I was. I assumed that at the higher levels of government and education, urgent discussions of the state of rural America were taking place. This assumption of mine, as it happened, was fully supported and encouraged, locally, by the work of my father and other good men to preserve the Burley Tobacco Growers Cooperative Association. For about sixty-four years, by a combination of price supports and production controls, that association preserved the lives and livelihoods of small farmers. To limit the production of a product to demand, or to a demand knowingly estimated, is a simple matter. The automobile industry can do it. So can a child. Excessive brain power is not required to “figure it out.” And so it seems odd and even strange that my province and its provinciality produced the only sound agricultural economy that I have known.
>Only in agriculture, so far as I know, is this obvious truth ignored, or even overturned on the recommendation of highest authority. In the Seventies, the secretary of agriculture, Earl L. Butz, who supposed that foreign demand would grow without limit, advised American farmers to plow “fencerow to fencerow.” More recently, other experts have advised American farmers to go all out growing soybeans, supposing they will be needed by the Chinese or somebody. Only in agriculture is the rule to produce as much as possible, this silliness to be redeemed if not by the market then by the government. I don’t think this can be dignified or excused by calling it “economics” or “capitalism.” It comes from ignorance or indifference. And it rests on the assumption that farmers deserve their low status because they are in general stupid and their work requires no learning or intelligence. This is the one-crop-by-prescription agriculture invented by the experts and of course recommended by them.
>Anyhow, absurdly, in 1974, assuming that the fate of farmers and farmland was a matter of concern among knowledgeable people in the universities and the government, I thought I would help out by treating the subject from the point of view of a farmer actually farming, and in a countryside farmed from the start of the previous century by both sides of his family. And so I spent three years, from 1974 to 1977, writing my book. I called it The Unsettling of America because the writing of it taught me the failure of the “orthodox” agriculture of the land-grant-university system and the government.
>The truth of the book was proved by the avoidance of it by the agricultural experts. Let us remember that agriculture had been ruled out as in any sense an art, and had been proclaimed a science by these experts. A science, after all, progresses, and supposedly improves its service to humanity.
>At the time, the land-grant colleges of agriculture and the Department of Agriculture were devoted to progress. But this progress had nothing to do with farmers. So far as people were concerned, the dialogue had been officially terminated. As the experts were seeing it in 1974, the purpose of farming was not the production of the healthiest food at the lowest cost to the land and the people. The purpose was the consumption of agri-industrial products: chemicals, seeds, and machines. The only recognized value was accounted by money.
>The considerable progress (so called) that was being made was not measured by the welfare of the farmers and their farms, both of them rapidly declining in numbers and in other ways. Agricultural progress was determined and measured by the evolution and marketing of agricultural technology. If the welfare of farmers had been of any interest to anybody who mattered, then some alarm might have been taken from the rapid decline in the number of farms and farmers. But farmers had no standing. In fact, the reduction in their numbers by economic ruin was seen as evidence of progress. Somebody’s success is necessarily achieved by the ruin of somebody else. You can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs, as we have been taught by people who believe they know.
>But in 1974, we had as now, no viable concept of enough. To have some is to need more, and after that, more and more. To have more and more than you need is now a form of common sense, and so we have developed a sort of vogue of billionaires, when the model of citizenship is set by such people as Elon Musk and Donald Trump. To be successful now is to achieve the satisfaction of one’s greed, which of course is enlarged by every additional prospect of satisfaction.
>Such was the state of things in 1974, and the state of things is much worse in 2026. We foresee no practical enactment of the concept of enough, but rather submit to the absolute determinism of progress: progress undirected and inevitable. Progress forbids us to stop when we are satisfied. We must go on, adopting the changes of technology, whatever the cost may be to ourselves and our children. But to know how much is enough, and to be satisfied with enough, makes possible an economy and a society properly suited to the world and to our place in this world. It is to be civilized. The idea of enough is alien to capitalism, which respects no limit. It is native to agrarianism.
>The tragedy is that it originated in the recognition of a still-continuing absurdity: the assumption, never acknowledged, that we can produce food by means that destroy, in human culture and in nature, the sources of food.
>>2879728Keep crying, llmtard
>>2879728petite bourgeois private collectors are free to stop selling to AI companies at any time BTW, they line their pockets while luddite degrowther 'marxists' complain about social progress. many such cases!
>>2879720>anthropics llm is free to use btwand that will remain this way forever and always. big pinky promise. are you actually retarded? access to the model aside, you obviously have sub zero understanding of machine learning if you think a LLM trained with a book is the same thing as the book.
>>2879728Aww look who’s sad that his fascist “culture” products are treated with the exact value they deserve
>>2879732>destroying commodities to make the silicon valley tech rentier class more powerful is social progresslmao
>>2879734masterful goalpost shift lol
>>2879738>commodities what, destroying treats is a bad thing now? americans could do with a few less treats
>>2879711>what social value did those rare books have in society sitting there doing nothing in a Private Collection in the first place?this is, again, another subjective thing.
you have to ask yourself: if a 'private collection' of whatever crap sits around collecting dust, has a given 'price', that's not its real
price, that's the owner's subjective price.
once the products moves around, in the market, with a market's price, though still subjective, it's the price you should use to measure its 'rarity' or the real price.
in the links when talked about 'rare books', it means books that you can't hardly find it elsewhere, or at least semantically that's understood. not the price given by the owner, not the price in which the AI companies bought the book.
which, in any case for both ways of setting up a price, market or owner, it's not a reason for getting rid of a book of such a category.
tl;dr: you are grasping at straws.
>>2879740>goalpost shiftyou are mentally retarded and should go back to /pol/. fucking imbecile.
>>2879744Whatever helps you cope, retard
>>2879711>>2879742 (me)
>storing the information in a way I might actually benefit from in the future from by it being incorporated in databasesyou won't have access to that information in a way you directly can read it, though.
and what is worse: they are prioritizing other data and you may not even see it, because of that. example:
>>2879324 (nta)
>>2879740And that’s what gets to the heart of the Westoid’s true opposition to AI: they hate that it exposes their “culture” as the worthless mass produced propaganda slop it is, and worse their access to it might be restricted! Horror of horrors! Meanwhile I’m rereading The Essentials of Leninism
>>2879742 (me)
>>2879712>>2879746 (me)
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire…now seriously. you are barking up the wrong tree, because this tree squeaks sometimes, but various times a weak, without needing some
wind to
unwind a gret:
DEATH TO THE FUCKING US >>2879742not sure what you're even trying to say here, the market decided these books were minimally valuable by making them exchangeable for pennies, the books had zero social value and barely had exchange value, literally who cares besides rent seekers of information
Genuinely wondering if this is part of some influence operation to associate Lenin’s writings and communism with literal retards on here.
If Amerigolems had a library system even an iota as good as some European library systems, this wouldn’t be an issue. They would rather give $300 million annually to Halliburton and Raytheon instead
>>2879753You don’t read anything other preddit posts, so why are you whinging?
>>2879752I was just defining that in both cases, market or owner price, are both subjective definitions. and in both cases, there's no justification for the fate given to those books.
>>2879744no it's just trolls and rightoids who convinced themselves they were marxists
>>2879757>more subjective analysis.poll factchecked by true AI bots ✅
>>2879696>>2879703>>2879707>>2879709>>2879718>>2879709>meaning that an AI company could be destroying some of the few remaining copies that can be found.>could be destroying>with bulk purchases they believe are being made by AI companies, though they can’t know for sure.>though they can’t know for sure.This all sounds like a bunch of bullshit just to make clickbait articles. A book would have to be very incredibly rare to not already be scanned somewhere. Also scanning is the best method of preservation, not the damn rotting paper. People have already been scanning these books for years before AI. Look at the language of the article, it's just pure speculation and fear-mongering.
>>2879759It’s quicker to just call them third worldists
>>2879760communist china will outpace america in AI development soon, get ready for your imperial core ass to get raped buddy
>>2879725you are a glowie. your entire job is to spend 8 hours a day annoying people in the hopes that they double down on clash of civilizations chauvinism
>>2879761you spoke like someone who has never set foot in a public library.
I can go to one of the biggest library there is in the region, and I can literally find rare copies of books, first and only edition, that if you check in worldcat
https://search.worldcat.org/ they don't exist.
and the library doesn't have funds to scan any of them.
>>2879764hello marco rubio, how's that cocaine shipment going?
>>2879761you didn't even read the article did you
>>2879768>I can go to one of the biggest library there is in the region, and I can literally find rare copies of books, first and only edition, that if you check in worldcat https://search.worldcat.org/ they don't exist.The fuck are you talking about? Worldcat says it's a catalogue of physical books in libraries, not digital copies.
>>2879766the problem with that, it's that I don't live in the 'imperial core' 'buddy'. your trolling technique may work to brainwash the pathetic mentally weak of
>>2879764, but your attempt to subvert me doesn't work. now begone to /pol/ you utter moron.
>>2879757there is only one planet and one climate. i know this is hard to believe but the "first world" and the "third world" are in the same biosphere.
>>2879772Worldcat also tracks digital copies…
>>2879766it already has and I'm happy for them
>>2879772>rare to not already be scanned somewhere>physical book exists>therefore it's scanned>therefore physical books >therefore a catalogue of physical books in libraries must have it<WDYM WORLDCAT…..son, are you AI? quick cum-pute me ts: 8====D
>>2879774At this point appeals to internationalism falls on deaf ears when the loudest voices are the third worldists on here.
>>2879775sh sh sh, don't tell him. the illiterate troll hasn't grabbed or needed a book for research purposes.
>>2879757Yeah, I'm just not going to engage in this debate anymore. Let these people hyperventilate over nothing all the time. No point arguing with them, let them freak out if they want.
>>2879774but you would never ascribe responsibility for climate change on the third world nations would you, because that would be retarded
>>2879785preach hear hear
>>2879785Oh for fuck’s sake, am I not allowed to be annoyed at the TWists ranting about how AI companies destroying books is good? Do I have to nod and be like “you’re so right, sister!”
Japan can’t lend us any more money, it’s over
>>2879779>>2879788cpusanon you are the shadowboxing champion. im generally in disagreement with third worlders and am the person in this thread most supportive of new technology like AI. please update your priors
>>2879786yes, certain nations like England industrialized first, I never denied that. I think it's more productive to fix the problem we've all inherited, but it's kind of hard to do that if we are all hyper fixated on blaming each other. this has a time limit.
>>2879785LMAO. funniest shit, one of them two called me 'imperial core'. for the other I am just spamming a photo of marco rubio at him, to see if he finally realizes that he's using the same rhetoric of the state department, willy-nilly, because of some rightwinger troll has made him paranoid.
>>2879772>>2879778You said you can go into a library and find a book that's not in worldcat which is a catalogue of books in libraries. I don't know what you're trying to say. The library in question isn't participating in worldcat? Also there are other places. If you want, give me a title and I'll see if I can find it somewhere. Also if there are physical copies in the library, they'll be preserved there until the library decides to liquidate the collection.
You should check:
https://books.google.com >>2879794>The library in question isn't participating in worldcat?chat, should I explain to him how does worldcat work or what?
it seems that the guy is stuck in not comprehending that many public libraries have hundreds of extremely rare copies that don't even appear in
even in worldcat, and don't have the funding to scan them.
>>2879795It’s the tut-tutting and “you have to like these people and consider them allies cause internationalism” bit that’s frustrating. Seriously fuck these people, just repeating “well internationalism tho” comes across more as “you’re not allowed to be mad at them”
>>2879800>It’s the tut-tuttingyou sound like a bitch lol
>>2879797<chat, should I explain to him how does worldcat work or what?So you're saying your library has books in the building that are not in their catalogue? How does that make sense?
>it seems that the guy is stuck in not comprehending that many public libraries have hundreds of extremely rare copies that don't even appear in even in worldcat, and don't have the funding to scan them.I didn't say they're scanned in worldcat or by the library.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Books >>2879802But besides any of that, if the library has these books, what does that have to do with the third party sellers selling copies of books?
>>2879785yeah cpusanon needs his fodder otherwise he'd look insane, so there's always some other sockpuppet spamming obvious bad faith shit so he can use it as strawman
>>2879800No wonder fedlix bullies you
Hey guys South Korea and Japan both just collapsed, the neoliberal order is literally unwinding and you can only do namefag drama?
>>2879806but singapore is on a massive bull run so it looks like a temporary blip
>>2879804This is literally how third worldists act and your response is just to de facto consider these people not real and not a problem. It’s like I’m pointing out there’s a house fire and the response is “lol no just ignore it”
>>2879801And you’re acting like a rabid baboon, who cares.
>>2879785trvth nvke. i'm sick of the sockpuppets and staged fights on here.
>>2879808>who cares.my point exactly, mate. shut up.
>>2879802>So you're saying your library has books in the building that are not in their catalogue? How does that make sense?yes, because not all public libraries have the funds to SCAN them, not even into the worldcat database, and the version is unique up to that point.
>google booksworldcat is much much, MUCH more complete. google books has scanned books, INSIDE OUT, from the cover to the last page.
>>2879807Singapore is pretty rich but I don’t think we can borrow a gorillion dollars from them like Japan
>>2879808>third worldistsaren't you busy prosecuting people today:
>>2879809?
:D
>>2879809Helali being investigated? turns out he wasn't a glowie after all
>>2879806>>2879807 (me)
>sk hynix misssed expectations and profits only rose by 577%<stocks are selling off due to thislol what are stocks at this point
>>2879809I think out of everyone in this administration I hate Marco Rubio the most. Highly competent bloodthirsty anti communist Gusano. And what's horrifying is that HE is the one who satisfies all the normal checkboxes of the "respectability politics" that normies want to RETVRN to. the one who just silently carries out the most horrifying crimes without the public even being aware of them.
>>2879818>Hitler said the sky is blue<therefore if you say the sky is blue you’re using Nazi talking points Retarded
>>2879806bro look at Taiwans gdp growth and currency compared to the dollar. insane
>>2879820It’s purely AI speculation
>>2879822stupid analogy.
keep up the good work, mr. rubio, trump thanks you for it!
>>2879825can't belive satanyahu met putler. i must support nato now guys
>>2879825Oh no, Putin shook someone’s hand. Guess the ongoing genocide of Russians is actually a good thing! Slava Ukraine!
>>2879823The AI bubble means the end of the Republic of China when it pops, that process started in Korea this past month
>>2879828Maybe he should have moved them to Israel, they already have an ethnic russian party there that always ends up supporting Likud
>>2879828>genocide of Russiansyou don't have to support NATO but … what? way to make the correct position look retarded. the goal of the ukraine war for the west is to subjugate russia geopolitically to NATO, not ethnically genocide russians
>>2879761>>2879749>>2879742Permavirgin losers who are hellbent on preventing their precious LLM Girlfriend from impending model collapse they know is coming
Your fucking Replika is doomed.
>>2879829xi please release more cheap models today!
>>2879832What do you think is happening to Russian speakers in territories controlled by Kiev?
>>2879815>yes, because not all public libraries have the funds to SCAN them, I'm telling you again I wasn't talking about scanned or not in regards to worldcat. You said
>I can go to one of the biggest library there is in the region, and I can literally find rare copies of books, first and only edition, that if you check in worldcat https://search.worldcat.org/ they don't exist.So you're saying that books in your library don't appear on the catalogue of worldcat which means they're not listed as being a part of your library's catalogue.
>>2879835Just evacuate them like Crimean Tartars
>>28798031) new elected officials, go an extra mile in neoliberalism.
2) defund public libraries
3) public libraries close.
4) books there are sold cheap by AI
5) rare books are converted into pulp after being scanned.
and besides all the problems already discussed:
>>2879746>>2879750I left this a bit underexplained, btw:
>>2879815google books scans ALL the book, worldcat database is larger because it scans only basic information:
Author, title, year (if exists), ISBN/ISSN (if exists), subject or category, and that's it.
>>2879832The biolabs in ukraine were engineering diseases that targeted Russian and Chinese people specifically. Ethnic cleansing was always part of the goal
>>2879835they're being politically repressed but not necessarily genocided. Are there concentration camps? I thought there was an issue around bilingual schools and a lot of political repression, not to mention the civil war and shelling of donbass, but I wouldn't call it a genocide. It's more of a civil war. A lot of Ukrainians are targeted for "siding with Russia" so it's more of a political thing than an ethnic thing.
>>2879840You sound like Israel supporters defending Israel against claims of genocide
The Donbass is basically Northern Ireland but if it shared a land border with England, no I will not elaborate
>>2879839>The biolabs in ukraine yes those existed
>were engineering diseases that targeted Russian and Chinese people specifically. Ethnic cleansing was always part of the goaljust like I ask for sources on the so called "uyghur genocide" I ask for sources on this.
>>2879828>Guess the ongoing genocide of Russians is actually a good thing! Slava Ukraine!It's almost as if Russia has been victimized by the Nazis twice: once directly, by murder, destruction and genocide, and the second time when it made it adopt this absolutely self-destructive memeplex.
I don’t think it’s possible to create a disease specific to one ethnicity
>>2879696>They’re buying them up, cutting off the spines, scanning all the pages, then pulping the paper.the other autist on tech is right in that these were books that weren't going to get scanned anyway, librarians were hoarding them for this exact moment, instead of scanning them to preserve them forever and risk losing their stock lol
>>2879841not really. the gaza genocide is widely acknowledged, ongoing, and plainly obvious, with mountains of evidence. you are claiming something I have not seen nearly as much evidence for. I find this to be a fringe unproven allegation like the uyghur genocide. Now please provide your evidence that the goal of the Ukraine war is the genocide Russia and China.
>>2879839Based. If the ruzzian genocide was happening I would support Ukraine.
>>2879845on the contrary, you can engineer diseases to effect one person specifically if you have their DNA
>>2879845>I don’t think it’s possible to create a disease specific to one ethnicityyeah anon sounds like a nazi retard larping as a russia supporter
>>2879850these are not mutually exclusive
internet communication is schizo these days because the ruling class's goal is to create confusion by mixing the truth with obvious lies so as to spoil the truth, while mixing truths into subtle lies so as to enrich the lies
>>2879851thank you for your input liberal. wow "the other side (tm)" has shown up the overcorrect. every fucking time.
>>2879843You’re in luck, that’s what the Fauci hearing today is on
>>2879848stay out of my conversation and don't answer for me. you are glowie number 2
>>2879825yeah, that's diplomacy.
mr. z didn't need to do diplomacy with loomer.
>>2879854???????????????? elaborate now you just sound like a Qtard and not even a russia supporter
>>2879825scroll up. loomer met with azov battalion leader. you're focusing on yesterday's news
>>2879852>internet communication is schizo if only someone had written extensively about the relationship of capitalism and schizophrenia
>>2879853what do you mean by "other side"
>>2879860>if only someonewho? stop vagueposting with redditspeak and cite a damn source
>>2879852There’s nothing inherently corroding about internet discourse in particular, people are schizo because they’re stressed, on drugs all the time (particularly caffeine), and society is breaking down
>>2879862i mean you are the fake alternative
>russia is literally being hecking genocidedversus
<actually genociding russia is basedliterally just being retarded on purpose
>>2879864They’re referencing Deluze and Guttari
>>2879866pardon me for making fun of a hysterical exaggeration
>>2879871everyone is just pretending to be retarded, there are no actual retards, fascinating
now it would be cool if i could actually comprehend the anti-oedipus, this guy never finished his project
https://noahchristiansen.com/anti-oedipus-project/>>2879816real chads only support palestine
>>2879859wdym he needs to update his 'yesterday's news'?
he holds that picture of bibi and putin like a relic, an ancient mythical artifact, a true icon of purity test results!
>>2879872what a horrible time to be alive
>>2879876supporting palestine means down with NATO, down with Israel, down with Ukraine, down with Taiwan.
BTW nobody is even talking about why these companies are bothering to scan these books themselves. It's all because of copyright laws(which I thought leftypol was against) and there is a loophole if they do the scanning themselves instead of getting pirated copies(something that only applies to books new enough to still be in copyright)
>This practice was revealed in a copyright ruling on Monday, which turned out to be a major win for Anthropic and the data-voracious tech industry at large. The judge presiding over the case, US district judge William Alsup, found that Anthropic can train its large language models on books that it bought legally, even without authors’ explicit permission.
>Before it turned to physical books, the company first relied on digital ones. In 2021, Anthropic co-founder Ben Mann took it upon himself to download millions of books from LibGen, an online “shadow library” of freely available, pirated texts. The next year, Mann praised a new website called Pirate Library Mirror, which was upfront about the fact that it “deliberately” violated copyright law in most countries. Sending a link to the website to other employees, Mann enthused about the site’s launch, “just in time!!!” per WaPo. (Anthropic denied using the pirated books to train any of its commercial models. But while Anthropic’s shredding of used books was deemed legal, the use of pirated ones was not, leading to the $1.5 billion settlement.)
>Anthropic wasn’t the only company turning books inside-out. In another author lawsuit, documents revealed how Mark Zuckerberg’s Meta also pilfered millions of books from shadow libraries like LibGen, which some employees realized was a little suspect.
>“Torrenting from a corporate laptop doesn’t feel right,” one Meta engineer wrote in 2023 with a grinning emoji.
>Another PR-conscious employee warned about the blowback that could follow if the practice got out.
>“If there is media coverage suggesting we have used a dataset we know to be pirated, such as LibGen, this may undermine our negotiating position with regulators on these issues,” they wrote in an internal communication.
So they wouldn't even be bothered to scan books themselves if not for the stupid copyright laws and the loophole that says they can scan them themselves but not use pirated copies.
But again, this only applies to books that are new enough to be in copyright so this has nothing to do with rare manuscripts from the 1600s or some shit.
<Books published in 1930 entered the public domain on January 1, 2026. This means that works published in that year are no longer protected by copyright.
This only applies to books published after 1930.
>>2879875read something valuable instead of wasting time on French schizobabble trans women on twitter read to make themselves feel smarter
>>2879872The problem with the idea of a targeted disease is once it’s out there, especially as a virus it’ll mutate very quickly and who knows if the targeting mechanism will mutate with it. We have to get a new vaccine for the flu and now COVID every year. If Israel puts out the goyim killer 5,000 virus it’ll probably end up taking out most Likud voters.
>>2879882we already saw this happen when fort detrick released covid and it killed maga boomers
>>2879881My understanding of D&G is unlike every other philosopher in history they actually see Desire as a positive thing that makes us productive. If only the language weren’t so academic and dense.
>>2879880Here's an idea: copyright is bad, AI companies scanning and destroying human-made books so that they can keep the "quality" of their slop afloat for a few more years is also bad. Also if you think that this shit being digital will automatically make it easier to access then you must have missed the part of the conversation where tech oligarchs are openly talking about making all digital media and bandwith some kind of rental service. Anything you "purchase" can and will be revoked and there's not a damn thing you can do about it if it's all digital, just look at the shit Sony pulled with the Playstation. It's all just an extension of the "eet ze bugs und live in ze metaverse" shit.
>>2879880lmao no way they already settled with a bunch of editorial houses and that's water under the bridge at this point. they are scanning books that aren't online and thus isn't part of their dataset yet, because despite their constant statements to the contrary, synthetic data is not good enough.
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>>2879888>>2879880copyright is the devil. critical support to sam altman
>>2879885which is contrary to lacan or freud which sees desire as stemming from a personal lack, yeah that's sort of what i gather too lol
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