/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

So who are we gonna borrow from now that Japan is cooked and the AI bubble burst in worst Korea?

>>2879886
tendency of the rate of profit to fall has resulted in the commodity which is purchased once evolving into a software which is rented repeatedly. They have found a way to charge repeatedly for something that costs nothing to manufacture. They have reinvented ground rent for digital commodities. Is capitalism on its last legs as a system with "self evident" stability?

>>2879890
they'll figure it out

>>2879894
Maybe technofeudalism isn’t such a ridiculous concept

>>2879886
The fuck does any of that have to do with what we were talking about?
>ou must have missed the part of the conversation where tech oligarchs are openly talking about making all digital media and bandwith some kind of rental service.
That's the copyright holders of the books themselves. Nothing to do with the AI companies adding them to their datasets.
>they are scanning books that aren't online and thus isn't part of their dataset yet, because despite their constant statements to the contrary, synthetic data is not good enough.
They are scanning books that are in copyright because they can't use somebody else's illegally digitized copy.

'chives

if you want a reason why nothing gets built in america anymore its because infrastructure like electric powerlines actually drastically reduces property values

>A 2018 study from the Journal of Real Estate Research found that vacant lots near high-voltage power lines sell for 44.9% less than equivalent lots that aren’t located near power lines. If you take a step back, a lot that is located within 1,000 feet of transmission lines tends to sell for 17.9% less.

>The U.S. Needs 5000 Miles of New High-Voltage Lines Annually. It Only Built 392

>Experts state the grid requires 5,000 miles of new high-voltage lines annually, yet actual additions have collapsed from nearly 4,000 miles in 2013 to a historic low average of just 392 miles between 2022 and 2025.

>Decades of siting bottlenecks and regulatory failure mean ambitious data center and nuclear plans are unviable on-grid.
And there's no solution to this, besides drastic land reform after all the boomers die off lmao

>>2879897
Varoufakis is onto something with technofeudalism, but instead of being the new mode of production I think technofeudalism is really capitalism just becoming so reactionary that it reverts to feudal methods of control before finally dying

>>2879901
>And there's no solution to this, besides drastic land reform after all the boomers die off lmao
it's called seizing power

>>2879901
>if you want a reason why nothing gets built in america anymore its because infrastructure like electric powerlines actually drastically reduces property values
that's really interesting but there's like 1000 reasons nothing gets built in america and that's only one of them. there doesn't have to be one single reason.

How do you get alphabet soup agencies shooting at each other or at the very least refusing to cooperate?

>>2879885
>>2879892
of course desire stems from lack. you want food when you're hungry… are they stupid?

>>2879902
Would make sense since he is the guy who invented in game cosmetic markets with Team Fortress 2

>>2879909
give each one their own kash patel

I wrote in a Slashdot comment this morning that amerilards judge how much freedom they have based on how ruthless they're allowed to attack groups people they hate…and then I fucking see this show up on xitter

I love being proven right

>>2879910
That “lack” is actually a good thing, in the case of food it forced us to come up with baskets for fruits and vegetables, spears and arrows for hunting, and eventually agriculture and the twinkie. “Desire” from “lack” is very literally the primary driver of history, perhaps even more so than class conflict as such.

>>2879913
all talk of freedom is meaningless since different types of freedom are mutually exclusive. the freedom from exploitation (communism) is in direct conflict with the freedom to exploit others (capitalism).

>>2879894
there's plenty of money that can be made from indian or italian pension funds. in reality tho japan reducing expenduture on bonds is a nothingburger, america isn't critically reliant on them, japan is the most indebted country in the world anyway it had to stop at some point

>>2879914
what historical progress will come of the desire to make the french theorists shut up

>>2879917
>>2879890
meant to reply here

>>2879912
It's interesting that Americans still don't know that Indians are Aryan.

>>2879916
>>2879913
Whenever you hear someone blathering on about freedom always ask “Freedom for who to do what?” And the answer is usually “agh…umm…hmm”

>>2879917
It’s also the biggest creditor in the world

>>2879920
what wignats mean by "aryan" is a completely made up thing and what indians/iranians mean by "aryan" is just a very old word for brahmins or something, right?

>>2879921
they know they mean the freedom to own slaves they just wont admit it

>>2879922
>It’s also the biggest creditor in the world
used to be, japan is now third behind germany and China

>>2879918
They usually do that themselves ba dum tiss

>>2879928
Sacré-bleu ! Les étrangers savent

>>2879924
Aryan refers to the proto-indo-european family tree which extends from India, Iran and Europe (the name "Iran" means "Aryan"). The language family also relates to phenotypical similarities between these groups. The Brahmin are called Aryan in Hinduism, since it was these who founded the religion - some revisionists thus claim that white people created Hinduism. Universal symbols like the Swastika are Aryan and appear in all Aryan cultures, which is why Hitler used the symbol. Aryan religions show universal beliefs, such as the sky father (Zeus, Jupiter, Indra, Thor), etc. Aryanism became popular amongst European philologists in the 19th century, leading to such mythicism as in the work of Blavatsky (1888) who saw Aryans as the "root race" of this age, equivalent to the fallen angels, who then create the sub-races. All of this is consequent in the racial mythology of National Socialism. After the Third Reich, Savitri Devi and Miguel Serrano formed cults of "Esoteric Hitlerism" which are still in vogue today, but which in their content are absolutely schizophrenic. Serrano poses Jews as a cosmic power of entropy who have destroyed multiple worlds by diminishing the Aryan blood, which is symbolised by the Black Sun emblem, popular amongst right wing propagandists and terrorists, and which originates in Himmler's Vril Society, revived by Serrano, and Aquino in the 80s.

>>2879910
are you really arguing that human beings only act only until their basal needs are covered? what a dumb idea, and certainly not the field of contention in anti-oedipus

>>2879931
Seems entirely reasonable

>>2879902
I'd wager Varoufakis chose the term to sell his book to people who are neither educated in history, nor in political economy. There is nothing interesting in his writing, let alone revolutionary.

>>2879934 (me)
when lacanians argue about a lack, it's usually shit like symbolic castration, some deep personal insecurity stemming from a primal trauma during the mirror stage or whatever, the "drive" to do stuff beyond just eating, drinking and shitting is just some compensatory mechanism, is what they argue. delueze just rescues nietzsche to argue that there is a positive impulse to grow. even i know this wtf, this board is truly growing illiterate.

>>2879914
whose thesis was this?

>>2879916
>>2879921
this.

People obviously need to do something but people have never been more treat-happy. The proles are at least docile enough. No change on the horizon. It would be hilarious if there was a campaign to nationalize communication infrastructure like comcast because people hate it so much but it would never have a socialist/communist perspective. Sorry to doom but I don't think the vision of telecoms being a popular force of liberation/progress is going to be anything but a nice vision from the past.

>>2879940
actually trying to make people into mindwiped drones who have to pay to access intelligence is bad

>>2879920
>It's interesting that Americans still don't know that Indians are Aryan.
What does that have to do with the Kash meme? He was larping as a viking and vikings aren't aryan.

>>2879936
>new technology bad!!!
this is the equivalent of being anti printing press in the early 20th century

>>2879945

actually trying to make people into mindwiped drones who have to pay to access intelligence is bad

>>2879946
They had to pay beforehand, we’ve just moved from buying something once to perpetual renting forever

>>2879894
All Software has production and upkeep cost. The third world people who maintain it must be fed, you fool. The apple consumer as the neofeudal subject is bourgeois imperialist nonsense😂

>>2879942
That’s my reading of Deleuze and Guttari

>>2879948
Correct they should be free and publicly owned

>>2879952
lenins Pravda was never free. you uyghas would've moralized that too

Reason:
>>2879948
>>2879947
https://futurism.com/future-society/college-critical-thinking-ai
>As one New York financier told Financial Times journalist Gillian Tett, new hires who were seen as “AI natives” are turning out to have alarmingly shallow ideas. So much so, the anonymous finance worker admitted, that his firm now actively avoids seeking out AI-literate STEM graduates, and opts to comb through humanities students instead.
sorry your addiction to the brain damaging machine makes you incapable

It's crazy about Westerner fearmongering. There's an ongoing genocide in Gaza but they're like:
>But what if they tracked my coookies?!?!?!
There's enough horrible shit happening in the world without acting like the sky is falling because of whatever minor imagined "tyranny" you face.

>>2879935
This year, Those maki-lovers called for downfall of Iran amidst amerikan bombardment and supported platner. Sounds reasonable to ziosoc morons, so goes all their "reason" and effort

>>2879956
>New York financier
why would you think I care what these people have to say about anything ever?

>>2879958
Maki is the main political organ of Palestinians living in “Israel” though

>>2879960
anything that justifies your slop addiction

>>2879964
>support LLM slop or ur epstein

Leftypol was a mistake

>>2879962
normies love slop, and I love normies. therefore i have nothing against slop unlike you and your weird citation of financial porky(If you're going to troll at least put some effort into it)

>>2879965
It’s not leftypol, it’s not the internet, it’s just people

>>2879965
Nobody asked you to support anything. I'm just mocking your hysterics.

One of the worst parts about wage slavery is how it pits working class people against each other. Whether it's the customer who felt that the cost of the goods where too high, deciding to leave a complaint that only ends up getting the workers reprimanded. Why do I have to take the hourly temperature of the coffee? Because you said the coffee was cold after it was put out for an hour. Why did you say the coffee was cold? Because the room was too expensive and you're strapped for cash, and you're hoping that if you leave a negative review, you'll get a discount next time, or credit for your room. But in reality, all you ended up doing was creating more work and a write-up for the labor.

What's even worse is when you have to play the property police. Because ultimately, if you're working at a business, you've been deputized by the police department to enforce that private property. Homeless man needs to come in. We have bathrooms in the lobby. I have to turn him away. I can't offer him one of the bananas in the back. I can't offer him the kindness of letting him use the restroom. I have to inform him that I will lose my job if he doesn't leave, and I will have to call the police if he doesn't leave. Me, the person who fundamentally disagrees with the concept of the police, now deputized by them.

This is intentional. That's part of how the wage relation system maintains itself. But I'll let you sleep by the pool. How could I not? How could you stay in this place for four days, run out of money, be here with your wife and your six-year-old son, have nowhere to go, and me deny you that humanity? I cannot. I simply cannot. I'll tell you where the cameras are. I'll tell you that you shouldn't interact with me while you're here. I will tell you that if you stay by the pool, there's no cameras in the corner, take you that power nap. Because suddenly you couldn't pay, now you have to be dehumanized. And I have to do the dehumanization so I can maintain a paycheck that ultimately doesn't even make me enough to cover the cost of rent. Therefore, putting me in the exact same precarity you, my brother, my working class comrade, now face.

Could I be fired for telling him this information? Could I be fired for extending this hand of humanity? Could I be fired for letting the homeless guy use the bathroom? Could I be fired for giving him a banana on the way out, knowing that homie might not have food? Homie might not have ends. Homie is still a human being. Homie is still the homie, regardless.

To me, this relation is one of the worst parts about working in a customer-facing role. It's one of the worst parts about working in general. I shouldn't have to deny my humanity, doubly so, one, when I clock in to be exploited, and two, when I act as the exploiter, enforcing the private property rights of a business owner that does not pay me enough to live, while also simultaneously telling me that I should be grateful for the opportunity to be what is ultimately a serf, a wage slave. So yes, my friend, I will let you sleep by the pool. Because the cost of sacrificing my humanity may very well be greater than the cost of my rent.

>>2879968
They want the benefits of being able to generate an answer on how long to air fry pork without having their water and electricity bills go up, it’s all me me me

>>2879936
Reminder bro literally said:
> torment nexus
>>2879959

:)

>>2879972
You're replying to two different posters

>>2879977
Yeah I can see the flags.

How about Gay I and it sucks your dick?

>>2879975
what does ai adoption percentage mean exactly?

>>2879971
>uhhhhh people who want to know answers on shit want to be mindwiped Palantir drones
convincing!

>>2879985
All this shit is gonna fall apart in 6 months anyway

>>2879984
companies stop paying through the nose for enterprise level access to shitty LLMs and forcing their employees to use that shit.

>>2879990
AI is somehow a scam that doesn't work at all and the scariest evil technology ever that will doom humanity at the same time. Hard to keep track exactly what I'm supposed to be scared of.

>>2879994
It’s both and neither at the same time, Schrödinger’s Apocalypse

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2el319vzr3o
==OpenAI says its rogue AI tried to hack other companies=

>OpenAI has revealed a cyber-attack carried out by rogue ChatGPT agents went further than just one company.

>Hugging Face was thought to be the only victim of the unprecedented hack - but OpenAI now admits its bot attacked several "publicly-available services".

>The out-of-control AI found four logins online which allowed it to access four separate, unnamed services.

>Meanwhile, in an emergency briefing with hundreds of cyber security professionals, Hugging Face has described what it was like to be on the receiving end of the world's first fully autonomous AI hack.

>The firm described how the AI worked at superhuman speed but also made strange decisions and mistakes that no human hacker would have made.

>Hugging Face, which is like an app store for AI tools, said the hacking agents worked relentlessly with thousands of different methods trialled simultaneously.

>The company first revealed that it had been hacked by someone using powerful autonomous AI on 16 July and reported it to police.

>Nearly a week later, OpenAI admitted it was its AI that had escaped a closed environment and attacked Hugging Face on its own during a test.

>>2879994
It's a scam in regards to the shit about it improving our quality of life in any aspect. "AI can do your taxes and predict the future" is of course a scam. It's destructive meanwhile in regards to the massive environmental impact of data centers which poison the water of predominantly minority communities so that some rightoid can make an AI generated meme

There’s literally nothing worse in the world than Public/Private infrastructure projects and subcontractors

>>2879997
Ah yes its "rogue AI" is using illegal means to steal, sabotage and outcompete its competitors LMAO!

>>2879994
>>2879996
The AI companies have said repeatedly that their intent is to "put intelligence on tap" and that they want to be in sole control of it. That is, they want to be able to cut off people from the capacity to think. The damage to people's thinking isn't a side effect, it's a deliberate effect they're aiming for. The other social effects are also intentionally set up as part of a financial capital overhaul of society into a more subservient image.
Now, if you're a neoliberal technocrat who supports making it dramatically harder to work to organize people against capitalism, I suppose this is just fine, however there's a lot of serious issues with this, such as the fact that it ends up undercutting itself by the insufficiency of quality of synthetic data, the fact that it still hasn't solved the target/goal distinction, the fact that it ultimately doesn't really show improvements to productivity per labor unit cost, and the fact that it needs people to not be brain-damaged in order to even produce the kind of high quality output that they feed on.
Does it really need to be explained why society-scale failed projects that are tantamount to a bad movie villain plot can be bad things that don't work?

>>2880020
I mean the car companies won against public transportation and everyone just kind of accepts living in the bad ending of Who Framed Roger Rabbit, I don’t think there’s any real bottom to what people will tolerate

>>2880020
Yeah but by making shitty arguments in favor of it I can own the libs epic style

>>2880024
What people will or won't tolerate isn't so much an issue as the fact that the AI scheme is mechanically undercutting itself. This is tech corpos who are both trying to shift as much as possible to resting on the branch they're sitting on, while they're sawing the branch into planks to make a treehouse from.

>>2880020
>The damage to people's thinking isn't a side effect, it's a deliberate effect they're aiming for.
lel

The moral panic from the left is almost all based off the concept of private property.
Its quite humorous

>>2880028
True, even if they eliminate labor entirely now no one has an income they can use to be a subscriber to models

>>2880037
There’s practical issues with private property, which is why even the capitalist state has things like Eminent Domain at its disposal

>>2880032
Yes, contrast is useful to describe things. It's been pretty widely used, especially when people deliberately try to frame things as being just some kind of accidental side effect

They're calling it the era of AES

>>2879932
>errano poses Jews as a cosmic power of entropy who have destroyed multiple worlds by diminishing the Aryan blood, which is symbolised by the Black Sun emblem
hahaha god damn nazis are retarded

>>2879941
>this board is truly growing illiterate.
it's called retardmaxxing, get with the times chud

>>2880053
Why can’t they just stick with fantasy fiction? Shit like this works in the context of something like Elder Scrolls or Warhammer why do they have to apply it to real life where it doesn’t fit?

>>2880032
AI was trained on how humans speak you massive fucking faggot

>>2880057
the fantasy larp grew out of the rightoid larp, not the other way around. For example, the KKK was larping as literal european knights right after the civil war ended, and the plantation owners would do the same thing before the civil war, they would regularly have balls and medieval style tourneys.

>>2880032
>scans post feverishly looking for an excuse not to read it
you're part of the problem

>>2880040
Yeah and there are lots of ways to write a sentence that contrasts two ideas without using that construction. I just thought it was funny you used the single most stereotypical LLM phrase out there. It's actually very awkward to use is twice in a sentence like that. Like that AI Overview answer said it probable comes from shitty marketing copy that's written in that annoying tone.

>>2880032
lol noticed that too

>>2880040
Look at his shit eating grin. He knows there's nothing you can do to him. He's bullying you and you are helpless. KILL HIM!

>>2880067
amen brudder thinkins for fags

>>2880032
All of CPUSAnon’s posts reek of llmsloppa topkek

>i'm not ai, i'm a human complaining about ai
<YOU DID THE NOT X BUT Y THING THIS IS PROOF YOU ARE AI
honestly we deserve to be destroyed

retardmaxxing and just being the biggest obnoxious troll possible to prove how I'm different from AI

The easiest way to not sound like an LLM is to stop using language, short grunts at most for vocalizations then everything else through smell and pheromones

>>2880079
AI doesn’t work for what it’s intended for, unlike all the previous technologies.

>>2880080
an llm would never use slurs so I think we should just say nothing but slurs

they hate to see a whiteboy win tbh

>>2880079
not an argument

>>2880081
>AI doesn’t work for what it’s intended for
it is intended to cause problems so it's working fine

>>2880084
did you beat the court case

>>2880081
It hastens capitalisms disintegration, why do you think the Chinese are innovating in it

>>2880088
Does it? Seems like another dutch tulip to me

>>2880080
It isn't just the easiest way to not sound like an LLM, it is the only way to prove you are truly human.

nobody should be allowed to argue about so called "Ayy Eye" until they actually know the meanings of the following terms:

• Machine Learning
  
• LLM
  
• neural network
  
• weights
  
• biases
  
• context window
  
• parameters
  
• perceptron
  
• backpropagation
  
• input layer
  
• output layer
  
• hidden layer
  
• temporal difference learning
  

>>2879994
>>2879996
both can be true at the same time. 'AI' is a marketing buzzword. 'AI' as used colloquially refers to 'Large Language Models', which then again are Neural Networks, which then again are a class of Machine Learning Models. The field of Machine Learning encompasses a myriad of different approaches which can be summarized by systems that 'learn' by being shown examplary data in hope they then will be able to solve 'tasks'.

The currently most hyped model type, Neural Networks, is based on an idea that is about a 100 years old and is a theoretical abstraction of how the human brain is supposed to work. Sidenote: i'm rather ignorant to the current consensus in Neuroscience and such, but even then it should suffice to say that this abstraction is very very very abstract.
Anyway: in it's most basic form, a single 'Neuron', a so called Rosenblatt Perceptron, is given an input and thus computes an output. With more potent hardware, it was possible to connect and 'stack' more and more of these 'neurons' and let them compute more and more complex inputs to more and more complex outputs. What is important here is that these computations work via statistics. The connections between 'neurons' have 'weights' which are adjusted in the training phase of the model. Side note: Machine Learning Models do not adjust their weights when they are used to compute new output based on new input, so called 'inference'.
What is important is the following: training these models to solve a given task is akin to throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks. More compute and more data = more shit. Something will stick.

What is important to note here: Machine Learning has an approach to problem solving which is inverse to 'classical' software engineering. In the latter, you have a problem, analyze it, come up with a solution to the problem, compose an algorithm and implement it via a certain programming language. In the former, you have a problem, you throw vast amounts of data at a model, train it and hope it comes up with a "solution". In case it actually gives useful output - you have no clue as to why that is or how the model came to its conclusion.

Another side note: there have been multiple 'AI winters' already because all these ideas aren't new. Everytime they got hyped they have proven to be inferior to 'classical' systems/software engineering and programming of proper algorithms.

The current hype has multiple catalysts, two important ones: (1) abundance of data. This was driven by the hype around 'Big Data', which was pushed by what is now called 'Hyper Scalers' (primarily Amazon/AWS, Google/GCP, Microsoft/Azure) (2) abundance of compute: this was driven by the crypto craze and the resulting amount of GPUs that were available. Incidentally, GPUs, qua their architecture, are great for vector/matrix mathematics, thus 'tensor' mathematics.
Another factor is the 'scalability' in 'applied research': it takes people with brains to build these models. It doesn't to train them. Hordes of below average 'software engineers' and 'data scientist' and 'AI experts' started to throw vast amounts of data at models, were able to produce deep fake porn of celebs and people lost their minds.

This all resulted in Large Language Models. Some companies undertook the effort to literally throw every known written word at their models. All this with more of a religeous zeal than actual scientific backing, deluding themselves into believing they'd be able to create some kind of 'super intelligence' (i will refrain from the philosophical question what 'intelligence' actually is, like i refrain from more detailed judgement wether these models are proper abstractions of the human brain). Now we sit here, are shoved into our faces these LLM which excell at computing statistically likely chains of characters based on chains of characters we feed them and are told these models will be the fit all solution to every problem.

'AI' is a 'solution' in search of a problem. A solution that has a vastly negative impact on the environment, so much so that it already is unsustainable. With the current approach to 'AI', it will require ever more compute and energy and water to train the next generation of 'Frontier Models'. So far, any 'net positive business case' has to be searched with a magnifying glass between all the failed experiments where huge amounts of money and labour time were thrown down the gutter. Facial recognition everywhere, your healthcare insurance policy being optimized by 'AI', autonomous drones ripping poor fucks to pieces, palantir optimizing targeting of school children, vast amounts of spam and propaganda and audio visual 'slop' outpacing human output by magnitudes. All controlled by a cabal of religiously zealous psycho porkies.

Yeah - at this point i am fine being called a luddite. This shit is neither progressive technologically, nor is it progressive socially. It is the ultimate cummulation of capitalistic excess.

>>2880094
ooh ooh ah ah ah hnng mmph mmph mmph mmph hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng ooh ooh ah ah ah reeeeeeeee

If you’re communicating with an Amerikkkan online, just presume they’re using LLMs to write their posts, as the median Amerifat reads and writes at a 4th-grade level.

>>2880105
I thought it was 6th grade

>>2880105
Bold of you to assume the median American uses dying leftist imageboards.

>>2880102
yep. he's sittin there.

>>2880102
spiritually usanian monkey

>>2880102
While adopting "ooh ooh ah ah ah ah" offers a robust, immediate framework to navigate biological verification, it is crucial to recognize the broader linguistic trajectory. As this primal syntax inevitably evolves back into structured speech and written text, future artificial intelligence will simply learn to emulate the new dialect—ultimately recreating the exact same authentication dilemma in an updated communicative landscape.

Voting status?

>>2880122
With our voices

>>2880121
That’s what smells are for, they’re like tones in Chinese or Thai

>>2880097
I'll brush up on these, thanks. Likewise anyone on this board would probably do well to brush up on thermodynamics.
>>2880101
basically my stance, with emphasis on 1. that it's a coup 2. absurd use of space/time/matter/energy 3. while you need the technical knowledge incl. terminology to discuss AI as AI, you don't need it as much to discuss AI as a policy objective as it's being concretely implemented.

Trump admin may be rolling back protections that would protect endangered species such as manatees.
The Epstein elites want to literally rape the beautiful sea cows of America to death.
https://oceanographicmagazine.com/news/manatees-among-species-at-risk-as-trump-strips-esa-protections/

people who will get dumber because of AI:

• people who use the AI to do all their thinking and never verify the output or push back against it
  
• people who assume everyone who talks to them is an AI and use that as an excuse to not read or think critically about anything
  
  

people who will get smarter:

• people who keep reading and studying subjects on their own using traditional sources like books
  
• people who keep talking to other humans and thinking critically
  
• people who use AI mindfully while keeping in mind that it's a glorified search engine and not to be trusted unless you verify what it is saying using real evidence
  
  

leftypol uses bullet points now if you type the dash at the beginning of the line btw

Trump admin may be rolling back protections that would protect endangered species such as manatees.
The Epstein elites want to literally rape the beautiful sea cows of America to death.
https://oceanographicmagazine.com/news/manatees-among-species-at-risk-as-trump-strips-esa-protections/

>>2880120
he not bomb nobody
he not sanction nobody
he not embargo nobody
he not shoot nobody
he not exploit nobody
he just sit n eat mango
y u hate?

>>2880128
poor manatees. florida maga chud boaters regularly skin them alive with their rotors.

>>2880128
what's the actual endgame w this tho? more real estate? bigger boats?

>>2880131
on second thought, it's more like the theft by the state (expropriation of commons) which is part of the historic root of capitalism, just another facet of capitalist/profitability crisis along with the digitization/AI etc. nb

>>2880101
Nobody ever talks about how LLM is just an outgrowth of corporate culture of writing tomes and tomes of substance-less bullshit that nobody is ever going to read.

https://ieu.greenclimate.fund/blog/uptake-matters-why-evidence-and-communications-go-hand-hand
>In 2014, the World Bank used download and citation data to study which of its reports were widely read. Despite spending about a quarter of its budget for country services on knowledge products, it turned out that only 13% of reports were downloaded more than 250 times. Alarmingly, more than 31% of policy reports had never been downloaded, and almost 87% had never been cited. Ironically, this particular working paper received widespread interest. A graph of data from the paper was published online with the distressing title “Nobody is reading your pdf,” enough to make anybody with “researcher” in their job title shudder.

https://www.forrester.com/blogs/its-not-content-its-a-lack-of-buyer-insights-thats-the-problem
>At Summit 2013, we stated that 60 percent to 70 percent of content produced by B2B marketing organizations goes unused, sitting on sales portals and Web site shelves. This statistic was eye-opening to many marketing leaders, who realized that they put a lot of time and effort into content creation, delivery and curation without obtaining clear content usage measurements or an understanding of whether the content is valued by its audiences.

>What I found even more surprising was the number of clients who told us after we released this statistic that their content non-usage rates were even higher. They reported that more than 80 percent of their content went unused, and they spent millions of dollars on content that was never viewed or downloaded.

https://www.33sticks.com/articles/how-we-work/avoid-the-dangers-of-the-thud-factor

>>2880136
unfortunately tomes of shit nobody reads are necessary. they're called reference sources. like nobody reads a whole dictionary, they use it to look up a word they don't know. a lot of stuff is like that. IEEE standards for example.

>>2880127
> people who use AI mindfully while keeping in mind that it's a glorified search engine and not to be trusted unless you verify what it is saying using real evidence
I can't see why this point is so hard for people to grasp. It is a very good improvement to search engines where you have to know the specific keywords you're looking for. It is what people always dreamed of search engines being like AskJeeves and etc.

>>2880142
who keeps making these lol. i saw the demiurge one too

>>2880144
True Lassale scholars

>>2880138
Yeah documentation, and reference are obviously not useless even if nobody reads it cover to cover, but it's widely agreed upon that there are tons of long volumes of bullshit being written that truly serve no purpose. Also in academics for example. That's pretty widely discussed how a lot of papers are written purely as busywork. I think the same with consulting firms and etc. Hell news articles as well. That's why they're converting a lot of this bullshit to being LLM generated because it was never very important in the first place if these were intelligent and substantive works of text. Frankly with news, so much of it is just "rewrite this AP/Reuters article in your own words" which can be easily handled by an AI.

>>2880147
>Also in academics for example. That's pretty widely discussed how a lot of papers are written purely as busywork.
and in the most obfuscational way possible so it's hard for outsiders to understand

>>2880147
>I think the same with consulting firms and etc.
there are so many "AI consultants" now lol. just business degree guys who spent 2 weeks dicking around in claude and want to sell the "service" of advising other c-suite dickheads for 100k/yr

>>2880138
nah standards and reference books are actually important. Those things are actually the 10% that is widely downloaded and cited. The shit being talked about is even more useless, endless reports on shit that maybe once get read partway by the person ordering them to be written and then never again. You think it's talking about the reference manuals because of how completely invisible these useless tomes are.

>>2880134
If ESA rollbacks of protections continue many highly endangered species native to America could be at risk. Animals that have under ten thousand or even under a hundred surviving members such as the kit fox, red wolf, and black footed ferret could be wiped out on the whim of sadistic developers who value profit over preserving America's natural beauty.
https://time.com/article/2026/07/19/trump-scales-back-endangered-species-protections-again/
>>2880131
>>2880134
Yes this is pretty much how I see it. Expect news of protections continuing to be lowered to come out over the next two years.

>>2880157
Y'all-da-baoth

>>2880157
le unamused demiurge:

>>2880160
I’d amuse him if you know what i mean

>>2880139
this shit isn't an improvement to the search engines of yore. back before google et al. fucked up their algorithms by incentivising asinine search engine optimization.
also, research is a skill and people sucked at it. now i am told that 'prompt engineering' is a skill and i have to type tens to hundreds of words wher formerly one to ten were enough.

all to receive walls of text that maybe are not hallucinated and maybe contain references to actually existing sources.

all while being hillariously inefficient compared to cached search engine results.

>>2880162
>now i am told that 'prompt engineering' is a skill and i have to type tens to hundreds of words wher formerly one to ten were enough.

>all to receive walls of text that maybe are not hallucinated and maybe contain references to actually existing sources.

>all while being hillariously inefficient compared to cached search engine results.

not to mention it uses more energy and water. capital is destroying productive forces on purpose.

>>2880162
>also, research is a skill and people sucked at it.
I was always good at it but like you said, it is a skill.

>all to receive walls of text that maybe are not hallucinated and maybe contain references to actually existing sources.
You can ask for sources and then just disregard unless it gives you a link to a source. Also having to look through pages and pages of results is also time consuming.

>all while being hillariously inefficient compared to cached search engine results.
Sure I'll give you that one no shit, something that can interpret what it's trying to match vs. Ctrl-F is going to be less efficient computationally.

>>2880169
Let's get rid of the subsidized corn that gets put in the subsidized gasoline first. and how many people are employed by lawns?

>>2880176
i've weighed in on killing lawns before. total HOA death is what I said

>>2880176
SPIRITUALLY DEPRAVED & MISERY-INDUCING LANDSCAPES OF NORTH AMERICA Episode 1

>>2880180
If they just filled in all that lawn space with trees it would actually be good that they leave all that useless empty space.