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>>2879888 When is Iron Felix going to ban-evade so we can get some quality schizo kino in this thread?
>>2881500>Elon now saying will get american born people deported>>2881525>Exile people for "unamerican thought"s is the logical conclusionall the chuddy third worlders will end up in america and all the based americans will end up in the third world. dialectics.
>>2881546>materialist analysis?capital goes where the profit is, it doesn't care about muh patriotism
>>2881551ok yeah if all the gun companies were being sold off to asians that would make sense but its all going to europe which is the really the only place with more expensive labor than america lol
>>2881552hahahaha balkanize the USA
>>2881553hmm that's a good point. i guess i don't have a material explanation
>>2881569
Donโt care. Didnโt ask. Plus youโre fat.
>>2881571Sounds like your jealous.
>>2881572Put your trip back on, tubby
I date women that are older then me because im mentally retard
decided to get up to date with amerilard politics and it seems being PRO prison is the current socialist meta? ill say this the leftoid rabble feeling compelled to defend prisons is really funny, and im glad that happened. maybe its just another moral victory for communists but its another complete decredition of socialist as capitals stooges
defund, which should be abolish/abolition is only for historical jingoism (see I can be a slopulist too) is the perfect lever to break off the black working class from its comprador leadership tied lips to ass to the DNC establishment. also hating cops is universal proletarian trait. only petty bourgeoisie philistines care about "law and order", even the most ignorant white racist worker has nothing but loathing for police ATF etc
there is also the ruby ridge petty bourgeoisie cop hate too obviously but thats peasant stuff
>>2881585Americans will let you take everything from them except prisons. Seeing people get raped and killed in there is like heroin to the average american. Its a profoundly psychopathic nation and theres no wonder israel is their closest ally.
>>2881585>only petty bourgeoisie philistines care about "law and order"this stupid faggot doesn't realize the epstein files are americans top issue
There will never be a ground invasion of iran btw
>>2881546This is bullshit, Americans always loved foreign guns and exotic ammo, WWI and WWII milsurp has take more beer cans and deer in this country than anything outside .22lr
>>2881591Iran? No. Russia? Yes
>>2881588idk the country whose national development produced the largest incarcerated population and 4th highest incarceration rate awash with private prisons and the exploitation of prison labor makes it obvious that prison abolition manifests there. its textbook historical materialism
>>2881589the idea of a person who hates epstein not because of personal moral reasons but only because they broke the law lmao
>>2881589If anything this will make them hate the law even more considering the impunity of those on the list
>>2881595Ever heard of Napoleon and Hitler?
>>2881594anon is talking about the outsourcing of gun production not the importing of finished guns
>>2881602Has pete kegseth? nope
>>2881552>Destructive conflict with the potential to spiral into a forever war and will inevitably destroy regional control, resources, partnerships, infrastructure, etc>Humiliating capitulation to the point of collapse due to loss of regional control and faceThis specific situation was studies for years btw. He ignored literally every single bit of analysis and chose the worst possible outcome for himself. He is fucked.
>>2881554The problem with balkanizing the US is we donโt actually have real nationalities here TO balkanize outside of native Americans (less than 2% of the population), Hawaiians, and Puerto Ricans. What the fuck is Kentucky gonna fight Indiana over? Weโre all connected by the highways and even the biggest accelerationist is gonna get too annoyed by militia checkpoints for it to be feasible
>>2881543He already did, he was in the last thread complaining that his super secret communist party has apparently gone revisionist because they're doing outreached to the impoverished rather than gunning down DSA members
>>2881614we will go to war with Ohio real heads know they stole Toledo and occupy it to this day
>>2881614>The problem with balkanizing the US is we donโt actually have real nationalities here TO balkanize outside of native Americans (less than 2% of the population), Hawaiians, and Puerto RicansWtf? This is a good thing.
>What the fuck is Kentucky gonna fight Indiana over?Ideally nothing because itโs just going to be class war.
>Weโre all connected by the highways and even the biggest accelerationist is gonna get too annoyed by militia checkpoints for it to be feasibleMilitary checkpoints where? Besides, biggest problem with highways is the cost of travel.
>>2881614So Aztlรกn, Cascadia, New afrika, etc just dont exist???
>>2881618So you expect the civil war to happen when no one can fill their cars anymore and everyone outside of two walkable cities is completely stranded?
>>2881619Black belt was broken up by 3 Great Migrations, Afro Americans no longer have any kind of contiguous geography from which to form a nation state
>>2881621Horses and donkeys and the occasional Alpaca works for more rural areas but the suburbs?
>>2881620>So you expect the civil war to happen when no one can fill their cars anymoreNot everyone is going to have an empty car, not everyone needs gas for their vehicles, and not everyone necessarily needs a vehicle.
>and everyone outside of two walkable cities is completely stranded?People have legs. Itโs going suck a bit, but you can walk if you really need to.
Actually it doesnโt even make sense for rural America to survive or be self sufficient when farming is THE subsidized industry, to the point where itโs a bit in Catch 22, a book that came out in my grandmotherโs childhood
>>2881626The infrastructure literally is designed against that and everyone is a fat drug addict
>>2881629>The infrastructure literally is designed against thatAnd? You donโt really have much of choice here.
>everyone is a fat drug addictOkay?
what the fuck is new in the free world?????
>>2881634Internal political meltdowns
>>2881619>Cascadia, New afrikalong since been assimilated
>>2881632Most will die in civil war conditions without even being in combat or even near it, all it takes is the pharmacy, the dollar tree, and the walmart shutting down and most Americans will just die quietly. Weโre also an aging country and Ukraine is the only example of a civil war happening in a country with an average age of above 30.
>>2881614https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-state_water_disputeOhio and Michigan nearly went to war over border disputes and there is plenty of water disputes ripe at a time of climate change where it can explode without federal intervention. Balkanization is very much on the table
>>2881647That was before suburbanization and treatlerism, you expect fat people to beat up each other on the highway with Arizona Ice Tea two litres?
>>2881638>Most will die in civil war conditionsI donโt think anyone can this statement with any sort of certainty.
For one, pre civil war conditions or conditions caused by civil war? Second, most? Very questionable.
>>2881650>That was before suburbanization and treatlerismThe tri-state dispute is a 21st century issue that mind you is still going on between Georgia,Florida and Alabama.
>>2881650Yes, that is part of the expectations.
>>2881638Most will die is an exaggeration. What will more likely happen is people will look for a strongman because of uncertain times which is typical after collapse or revolution
>>2881655How are you going to look for anything if your life is dependent on gas and electricity that are no longer accessible and you literally canโt walk after a lifetime of driving to a sedentary job?
>>2881655>What will more likely happen is people will look for a strongmanA โstrongmanโ is already a major part of why this situation is unfolding the way it is.
>which is typical after collapse or revolutionYouโre basing this purely on late Weimar germany.
>>2881657America literally isnโt Weimer, financially, politically, or physically, people need to get that through their heads
>>2881657>Youโre basing this purely on late Weimar germany.The strongest is who will win a collapse. The weak will perish.
>>2881659Thank you for confirming my suspicions. And itโs survival of the fittest, not the strongest.
>>2881659There is literally no strength in America, everyone is fat and addicted
>>2881662What mechanism is there to even do this?
You seriously expect people who canโt do a pullup or run a 10 minute mile to pick up guns and kill the government and their neighbors instead of themselves when the meds and food are gone.
>>2881666Why are you glazing the government so much?
>>2881667The government isnโt good or competent but the ordinary people are far worse
>>2881669Okay government glazer
>>2881670Who do you think the government is made of idiot?
>>2881663Nahh, Anericans are some of the fiercest in the world. America is filled with the most brutal strongmen numerically anywhere. But at the sametime some pretensions of civilization where weaklings and cowards can rule through brains. But collapse means the sophistication of military dominance changes where 80 pound weaklings can't kill dozens by making a few clicks and button press. The less civilization the more the strongman is advantaged. And strongman obviously doesn't literally mean who is the toughest fighter, it means the "strongman" they choose to follow.
>>2881669>the ordinary people are far worseimagine thinking this
>>2881675Pretty sure this is just that drunk factory worker or whatever who's always doing this doomer bullshit. Ignore him and move on
>>2881679
I'm sorry, tens of thousands of BUCKETS? Did you mean to say "bucks"? Or are we supposed to be threatened by buckets?
>>2881679
latinx status?
>>2881671>>2881552Ruled by incompetent boomers living off their parents GI generation since they were born and now don't know how to run a country
I fucking hate cars
>>2881704Bro hates Dems so much he forgoes an easy excuse for an escalation of hostilities in favor of blaming his own countrymen. Hilarious stuff
>>2881713he already got his war with iran (which he loses) and short of nuclear weapons, there isn't much left on the escalatory ladder.
so the next best thing for the pedophile geriatric is to distract himself with somesthing else.
>>2881726American reading comprehension strikes again
>>2881731Care to explain for the audience how anon demonstrated a lack of reading comprehension in that particular post?
>>2881731Yeah well the JERK STORE called and they're runnin outta
YOU >>2881726BREAKING NEWS: Man's Diamond Shoes Too Tight
>>2881610i can't see your link without logging in. I will not be creating a login for that site, but it looks to me to be a discussion board and for all I know everyone could be trashing the OP? But even if everyone in that DSA thread were shitting on the idea of prison abolition… what exactly does the DSA have to do with socialism? You seem to have gone from
>decided to get up to date with amerilard politics and it seems being PRO prison is the current socialist meta?to vaguely suggesting that a forum post is proof of something. Not very compelling if I'm gonna be honest.
Your second link is just a liberal democrat e-celeb saying that the public isn't ready to hear about prison abolition… again. Not sure what that has to do with your original statement.
>take the L and shut upthere is no L to take and I'm not going to shut up. you seem very dumb.
>>2881762
>thinking anyone thought what you greentexted
>>2881616Still don't think he's actually in a communist party.
>>2881769>>2881771Speaking of Hollywood Pedophiles, any of y'all see The Ninth Gate? Thought it was alright, better than the DaVinci Code at least even if they were both doing similar things.
>>2881767
>>2881771
yeah we all know woody allen is a pedophile.
do you think anyone disagreed with that?
>>2881673I bet you consider yourself one of those "strongmen"
>>2881772I mean it does track, Felix is the quintessential schizo-maximalist so if there's anybody in his little group that would dare suggest something like actually visibly alleviating the suffering of the people you want to court he's of course going to act like the whole thing is compromised
>>2881775I mean he's shown himself before to lie, and while I'm all for people learning from their mistakes, I don't think he really does.
Like when people were joking about him cumming on a pic of Putin during one of his meltdowns, he started saying shit like: "Well everyone CLAIMS I did it, but huh, no one can
actually prove I did!" Then someone showed up with the actual pics of him jizzing on a Putin Pic.
Then there's him claiming he knows where I am in L.A. and trying to imply one of my coworkers told him, which is absurd given I get along just fine with my coworkers and none of them even know what leftypol is. Then there's him claiming he confronted the Portland DSA and has video of it but literally no one can corroborate that and his story changed from "we confronted the Portland DSA" to "well a bunch of right wingers confronted them."
>>2881774Nahh, I don't think so. I think most of you would get wrecked before me. I know where I stand, I don't like the people after this hypothetical "collapse" nor any of you currently are favorable to me but I am prepared for anything.
>>2881778>>Like when people were joking about him cumming on a pic of Putin during one of his meltdowns, he started saying shit like: "Well everyone CLAIMS I did it, but huh, no one can actually prove I did!" Then someone showed up with the actual pics of him jizzing on a Putin Pic.All me. I have the skills to find irrelevant bullshit on the internet. I had to do it to hom for tryong to make me look like a liar.
>>2881659>>2881663crude social darwinism vs. reductive stereotyping. is that all this place has anymore?
>>2881785What do you have?
>>2881782lol nice
That said, I hope that Felix gets the help and/or anti-psychotics he needs.
>>2881791the empire will become unsustainable as it becomes more expensive to maintain than the revenue it brings in. Once that happens, policy makers will double down on continuing imperialism and regaining lost power, at the the expense of the long term expense of society. Collapse will result in a lot of things, there are too many variables and I don't have crystal ball. I can only vaguely offer that things will continue to get worse, and what will happen next depends on people handle and respond to that.
>>2881797>, at the the expense of the long term expense of society.long term stability*
>>2881800and yet cuba has the best policies towards them
also that map is really weak data because it is not showing per capita.
>>2881704Why would Iran attack Minnesota?
>>2881713>Bro hates Dems so much he forgoes an easy excuse for an escalation of hostilities in favor of blaming his own countrymen. Hilarious stuffGood
>>2881704The media demands he blame Iran. The subtext is how dare he not blame Iran.
>>2881810stop asking questions
>>2881800This is why the new world>old world
>>2881817>usually the few people inside the empire who wanted the empire to stop attacking everyone>The majority in the empire begin to blame each other and accuse one another of disloyalty to the empire>but now as a side character on the world stageTheyโre doing it again
>>2881827blaming each other? yeah we see it every 4 years with blue maga vs red maga
>>2881817What about civil war
>>2881830british and dutch empires collapsed without civil war
>>2881829>blaming each other?Third worldist defeatist grand standing with a tinge of multipolarist acceptance of the former core of capital and capital at the very end disguised as relived dismissal.
>>2881831America isnt the british or dutch empire, its a massive nation with extreme internal cotradictions with a history of civil war and mass unrest
>>2881835And is also undergoing climate change
>>2881827>>2881817>le empire will start blaming themselvesNot gonna happen. Like even when Rome collapsed people were still proud of it. Thereโs never going to be this nation of self-loathing people who apologize all the time
>>2881838>Like even when Rome collapsed people were still proud of itAmerica is not Rome. America is a advanced nation of capital deep into the capitalist mode of production.
>>2881834I'm a third worldist? pretty presumptous
>>2881835the british had civil wars but they didn't have one when their global empire collapsed
>>2881840>I'm a third worldist? pretty presumptousUnless you are the anon I was originally referring to, then no.
>>2881839Doesnโt make a difference. Thereโs no world where everyone starts whimpering all the time and crying about how much they suck and how sorry they are, even when they lose.
>>2881845>Thereโs no world where everyone starts whimpering all the time and crying about how much they suck and how sorry they are, even when they lose.What about โtheirโ empire instead of themselves?
>>2881845American patriotism is at an all time low. Only older generations are proud. They made American Patriotism connected to empire and it is killing it. So yes, in that case the US will critique and be angry about the wars deployed in its name especially knowing the isolationist tradition of the US
>>2881846>the board that goes on and on about how every single westerner is a gleeful collaborator in the empire <โbut what if all of a sudden now we pretend thereโs a distinction between a nation and its people?!โThe goal of the โhumiliation of the empireโ is the humiliation of the people in it. Itโs to rub some midwestern WalMart workerโs face in shit and tell them to say theyโre sorry
>>2881847Nah. Whatโll happen is some people will just go full โfuck everything, get moneyโ and the people who are immiserated will be told itโs their fault for being heccin treatlers
>>2881842I am. Just because I recognize that most Americans are registered democrats and republicans who have been brainwashed doesn't make me a third worldist. things aren't that simple. the third world is also full of collaborators. the situation is very bleak no matter what "world" you live in.
>>2881847>he US will critique and be angry about the wars deployed in its name especially knowing the isolationist tradition of the US>>2881849>Nah. Whatโll happen is some people will just go full โfuck everything, get moneyโ and the people who are immiserated will be told itโs their fault for being heccin treatlersBoth these things can happen.
>>2881852You keep acting like thereโs going to be some magic moment where everyone is poorer where they go โoh Iโm such a bad guy, Iโm Hitler junior, Iโm sooooorrrrryโ but it isnโt going to happen. Itโs just going to be nihilism and lefties still claiming people have it too good and their lives need to be worse
Should I just cash out whateverโs in the 401k before the market REALLY crashes (assuming that happens)?
>>2881856>You keep acting like thereโs going to be some magic moment where everyone is poorer where they go โoh Iโm such a bad guy, Iโm Hitler junior, Iโm sooooorrrrryโ I never said anything remotely close to this
>>2881851>I recognize that most Americans are registered democrats and republicans who have been brainwashed 58.63% turnout last election
>the third world is also full of collaborators.Which stresses the importance of having no remaining loose ends for them utilize.
Apologies, truly. I thought you were about to go into a full doomer meltdown about โamerikkkansโ and demand immediate nuclear conflict, genocide by foreign forces, etc. My mistake.
>>2881861no i'm not a third worldist I think class collaboration and reaction are pretty universal and not just a first worlder thing. that being said the low voter turnout thing doesn't mean much. a lot of americans are still chuds and bootlickers even when they don't vote. I'm skeptical in general of people, even working class people. I don't hate them or think they're evil, I think there's a lot of work to be done.
Assuming anything about Americans just on being registered dem or rep is like judging any Iraqi before 2003 based on Baโath party membership, very few here have any sort of coherent or wholistic worldview or ideology
>>2881864lacking a coherent or wholistic worldview or ideology is exactly what makes them blue maga red maga
>>2881862>I think class collaboration and reaction are pretty universal and not just a first worlder thing. that being said the low voter turnout thing doesn't mean much. a lot of americans are still chuds and bootlickers even when they don't vote. I'm skeptical in general of people, even working class people. I don't hate them or think they're evil, I think there's a lot of work to be done.I donโt disagree. Could be worse, could be better.
>>2881868Iโm worried with climate change and the new diseases out there (some being bioweapons) that there isnโt enough time to get the engine going
>>2881860You keep talking about how everyone is going to feel bad about the empire and critique it
>>2881869Understandable fear, potential human extinction and all that. Still, I am actually a bit hopeful of our prospects. I think the mounting inconveniences and inconsistencies made by capital will prove fruitful.
>>2881838>Like even when Rome collapsed people were still proud of it.No! Fredy Perlman wouldn't lie!!
<Rome's greatness will be posthumous. Among those inRome's entrails, only the few in the worm's head love it; all
others hate it, and many try daily to destroy it.
Those in the head are few; they are the nobility, including
generals and politicians, the Latifundia owners, and those the
Romans call Equites.
<These Equites are confidence men on horseback. They arethe hustlers and contractors who get things done. They comยญ
mand slave gangs in olive groves and vineyards. They do the
importing, the exporting and the arranging. They are tax farmยญ
ers and they are pirates. They place themselves at every
interstice and bottleneck of the unwieldy empire. In a future
Rome across the great water, such confidence men will be
called Businessmen.
<All these people love Rome.
<The growing number of dehumanized hangers-on forwhom the circuses and games are performed also love Rome.
But these lovers no longer think of the brutality or the plunder
as offerings to the gods. They love the plunder and brutality as
such. They are becoming what we will call Sadists.
>>2881873>Fredy PerlmanThis isnโt really disproving my point when the people angry about Rome are a small minority of intellectuals who basically have a 1:1 overlap with the people saying โyou should hate your country 24/7 and be sorry all the timeโ
Will the US government recognize Lula's election victory in October?
>Alysha Reimel, of the Revolutinary Communists of America, says her group is not supporting Abdul El-Sayedโs U.S. Senate campaign as heโs running as a Democrat. โSo far, I have not seen any evidence to show that he is a communist or even a socialist. Maybe he believes in a nicer form of capitalism.โ
Trotskyists are AIPAC stooges
>>2881912They couldnโt even point to their country on the map
>>2881887And just like Rome it doesn't matter what the people want or think about Rome. What matters is the slow grind of history bringing an empire to it's knees. You can accept that there is a problem and try to fix it or ignore it and hope it goes away. But time still marches on regardless.
>>2881729n-no mr. predophi… president! I don't your hormussy.
>>2881923>The current blockade of a major thoroughfare detours public bus routes, makes it more difficult for community members to reach their jobs, and impedes fire and EMS response. Yawn.
>It is causing real, possibly irreparable, harm to local business owners and community services that remain shut down due to the ongoing occupation.Hey, uh, fuck em?
>>2881930Sure Iโm not denying that. Iโm just saying you arenโt going to see this culture of shame and humiliation emerge from it like some people on here want.
==
SHOOTOUT BETWEEN THE GANG BLOODS IN NYC AND THE NATIONAL GUARDSMEN ARE IN PROGRESS
A BODEGA JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
RED TEXT
CIVIL UNREST THROUGHT THE USA AND CAPITOL, REPORTS OF ARSON AND MASS LOOTING ACROSS THE NATION
THE COUP AGAINST TRUMP HAS FAILED, MAJOR SECTIONS OF THE MILLITARY HAS CUT CONTACT WITH DC
>>2881859Couldn't hurt. I've been considering taking out several credit cards. Who gives a shit?
Reagan had Milton Friedman
Who is the intellectual of Trumpism
>>2882014in economics like friedman?
>>2881939there already is one, it is just small
Of course no conversations on American Judaism ever warrant any response. Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed.
>>2882029It is self-explanatory.
>>2882031
I mean Hitler went to far, but I don't think anyone should celebrate Epsteinry and pilpul. It is only begetting the same consequences.
>>2882039True, I read more exstensivrly than any of you about the Nazi repatriation plans.
>>2882041But I al not a Nazi from the 1930s, I don't give a fuck how many children these jews want to murder.
>>2882043We like to say " you fucked up with me dawg"
Why is it that killing a left wing leader is a massive blow, but killing a right wing leader can be easily replaced?
>>2882126Because thatโs what the media wants, what the bourgeoisie wants. As you could see in Iran and Venezuela, they love decapitation strikes. And they love insinuating that the left is funded by higher powers.
>>2882014Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome
>>2882172Amazing to think that 30 years ago this guy was considered one of the main faces of "the left" in America
>>2882183To be fair I think he represented a kind of near-extinct form of Gen X "liberalism" that rose to prominence when Republicans were still trying to do that "leave it to Beaver" shit (like let's not forget that Bush Sr. Was going on about how the Simpsons were so crass and immoral) and so his shtick kind of "worked" then. Like its the kind of dude who responds to a guy ranting about how LGBT shit is immoral with "Whaaaaat? You don't think two girls kissing is HOT?!"
the unbridgeable foid-moid rift
>>2882186Even by those standards though, by now Maher has completely abandoned any credentials of being to the left of Reagan by any means. Freely endorsing moral panics and going after "anti-American traitors" and basically becoming the same type of person his self from the Dubya administration would ruthlessly make fun of.
In other news looks like Pirro is about to get fired because the DOJ dropped the "vandalism" charges
>>2882172Hes mad as fuck lol. Obviously these alleged socialists are not communist in the slightest but its good that they make boomers seethe at the very least
>>2882188he's now rich(er) and old, many such cases
>>2882172It's nice that marxism is getting some propaganda here and there. Bound to have something good happen if this continues
>>2882186>Like its the kind of dude who responds to a guy ranting about how LGBT shit is immoral with "Whaaaaat? You don't think two girls kissing is HOT?!"Yeah very 1990s.
>>2882196
If you were a real communist you would pop some actual porky instead of a random grocery clerk. Not that you'll even do that you fat neckbearded fuck.
>>2882200Bro really abandoned his purified "communist party" over the fact that they thought aiding the destitute and impoverished in their local community was more productive than assassinating a grocery store clerk for making fun of him on the internet. Truly the Vladimir Lenin of our time
>>2882210
You seem very confident that anybody who benefits from mutual aid at all is a lumpen, as though members of the proletariat have never ever had to apply for food stamps or shop at the food bank or make use of charitable donations or thrift shops.
But I'm sure you're right and the revolution will come about that much quicker if you just gun down the homeless
>>2882213
>Shitbulls aren't dogs, they're living weapons owned by reactionaries too cowardly to actually fight for themselves. A golden retriever or a dachshund is a dog
Dog isn't an elevated moral category that gets revoked if a breed is mean or bites people. Dogs have always been living weapons. We literally domesticated them from wolves to do our hunting for us. You're so silly. You are a silly person. Silly Silly Silly Silly Silly Silly Silly Silly Silly Silly Silly Silly. It's like when people call other humans "subhuman" for supposedly "barbaric" behavior. It's like bitch did you not realize our whole species was always barbaric?
>>2882214Shitbulls aren't even suitable for hunting, they are just mindless, uncontrollable killing machines that turn on random people or even their owners to satiate their inbred and inescapable bloodlust.
>>2882212Do you realize how much workers hate lumpens? If you've ever actually interacted with workers before (I know, that's a hard ask for you soft handed NEETs who live on Capital Gains like your liege lord), you'd know that.
>>2882218I'm sure you have plenty of animosity for impoverished people, just as you do for nearly everyone else. But to assume everyone else shares your psychopathic tendencies is quite hilarious.
Funny enough though, coming from my interactions with fellow members of the working class on the job (food service industry in particular), I found that they had no particularly strong feelings against the "lumpen" one way or the other. But the managers and the assistant managers? They despised the "useless eaters" that they consider the homeless and working poor to be. Seems you have a lot in common with them
>>2882217>when you domesticate a carnivorous predator it sometimes turns on youwow who could have seen this coming. btw chihuahuas are more aggressive they're just too stunted and dwarfed to do much damage
>Shitbulls aren't dogs, they're living weapons owned by reactionaries too cowardly to actually fight for themselves. A golden retriever or a dachshund is a dog
TRVKE NVKE
>>2882218>Do you realize how much workers hate lumpens? oh… hate? hate is irrelevant. it's ok to have big feelings, but you have to learn to handle them and actually do something about your problems.
Also, the idea that the proletariat as defined by Marx cant possibly benefit from mutual aid or just people working to improve their local communities in general is both hilarious and totally ahistorical, as if the ideal proletariat is the Proudhonist/Egoist vision of a self sufficient yeoman who never interacts with society. You have more in common with MAGA Republicans than you do Communists my friend
>>2882226Way to tell me you've never read a word of Marx before.
I'm sure you're going to bring up MUH PANTHERS as if they are some magical shibboleth that protects your argument, but like most Western "leftists", you will never mention that they failed utterly and were crushed without ever having built any serious power.
>>2882234The idea that the proletariat benefits from random activists handing out sandwiches on the street corner is laughable and ahistorical too, but you'd much rather do that than actually wage a revolution, because revolution is hard and requires sacrifice while handing out sandwiches makes you feel good with zero risk to yourself, which is the sole and only point of western "leftism"
>>2882236Damn didn't take you long at all to run out of arguments huh? Just platitudes and threats and vague appeals to Marx when it's clear you haven't bothered to read and are proud of it
>>2882240>n-no you!I know that you pride yourself in never having to interact with the reactionary scum you dismiss 99.9% of the population as, but you might want to at least try a little bit before embarrassing yourself like this. Of course you retreat to your usual argument style of vulgarizing things down to one point (mutual aid being reduced to "handing out sandwiches" and Leninism to "illegal tactics") and basing the rest of your assertions off of that vulgarization as if it's a fact. It's very tiresome truly, and I only bother to engage with you at all so that lurkers can see clearly just how dishonest you are.
But yes, if you truly think that someone who is, say, struggling between paying rent and buying enough groceries to sustain themselves wouldn't benefit from free groceries, and wouldn't remember who provided that benefit to them, you're just plain stupid.
>>2882244Quick, name even one successful Communist movement who built power by handing out food.
Oh wait, you can't, because such does not exist.
Curious.
It's almost like mutual aid doesn't work and the only reason "leftists" even discuss it is because we have sadly allowed anarchists and their "thought" to infiltrate our movements instead of treating them like the cancer that they are.
>>2882245Name a communist movement that built power by assassinating grocery store clerks who made fun of them online and shows nothing but sneering contempt for everyone around them
Huh
Funny
You cant seem to do that at all
>>2882237
>Once my new phone arrive, Every time i take a shit, I upload photo of it here to show you labor aristocratic pedophile ziocrat dem.cel tr.oon pedophiles what REAL proletarian SHITS look like.
do you think proletarians all eat the same food and have the same gut flora?
Also back again vulgarizing mutual aid down to "giving out food" and assuming that anyone who does mutual aid thinks that it's the ONLY strategy or even the primary strategy which should be employed. Very predictable
>>2882245fair point. i want free groceries but im not going to beg for it like im some legless military veteran like houdini
>>2882172>>2882194>It's nice that marxism is getting some propaganda LMAO its the fucking DSA retard, and this glorification of propaganda that midwits here constantly do shows you believe workers are too stupid to organize against capitalism on their own
>>2882218>>2882236>>2882242the proletariat is only the immiserated group of wage workers, you dont know what any of those words even mean or why the proletariat is the only class with revolutionary potential and is separate from both the lumpenproletariat and the middle classes, both politically impotent
>>2882244>>2882250tbf "mutual aid" as a term is painfully vague and its literally just people helping each other out. it has zero political potential to communists
>>2882250free frood doesnt grow on trees dumbass. its produced by the third world. so you just want to redistribute superprofit to yourself. that why amerikan leftism never works. because they like israeli devil
>>2882248Every Communist movement that has ever succeeded has done so by killing every fascist it can lay hands on.
You'd know this, if you had ever read a book.
>>2882252Mutual aid, moralistic reasons aside, is useful in so far as it provides leftists with additional connections to their local communities, especially the impoverished and destitute abandoned by liberalism and would thus be more susceptible to socialist messages. It should not take the place of other forms of organizing or even be the primary form of organizing, far from it, but to dismiss an organization outright because it does mutual aid is folly
>>2882257You should kill yourself then since you agree with fascists on so many things
>>2882262Uh oh you made a reference to a TREAT, you're a fascist who's going to get ZERZETSUNG'd
>>2882266Not entirely true, he's killed this thread
>>2882254your posts are so fucking retarded idek why the mods bother deleting them
>>2882259lol ok this is typical PB idiocy where you think workers are too stupid to hate capitalism on their own - like their lives arent obviously already shit. the task of communists is uniting existing proletarian struggles, not trying to make le masses join The Cause(tm) like a religion
>to dismiss an organization outright because it does mutual aid is follytrue, its so irrelevant sperging out against it looks dumb
the mainstream us media were unanimously running this "reflecting pool vandal" story at face value for months, none of them daring to question it for fear of the financial consequences. now, after trump has finally admitted it was a lie, they are pretending like they never ran with the story and had nothing to do with it. i feel like the revisionism and outright contempt for objective reality is far past the point of no return now, i don't see how a society could come back from such a widespread proliferation of insanity.
>>2882259Still waiting for you to name even one successful Communist movement that has built power through mutual aid.
I will be waiting a long time, because you cannot name what does not exist.
>>2882269Post the CPUSAnon dox then, his comrades have already doxxed me several times over.
>>2882268If it were that simple then we would have had a communist revolution ages ago. Not a lot of people even really recognize that their lives our shit, we in America are so thoroughly propagandized that it's generally just taken at face value that working 80 hours a week for shit pay and subsiding off of rice and beans is something to aspire to and if you just pull yourself up by your bootstraps enough you too can live in a gilded mansion like your boss does. False consciousness is a bitch. And even among those that do recognize their lives are shit, many of them will blame things like "the elites" or "the immigrants" or even communists for their suffering
>>2882271Communist Party of China. Now, tell me how you get closer to the revolution by impotently threatening to kill people over the internet
>>2882270>after trump has finally admitted it was a lieAbout that
>>2882188The DOJ has admitted it's a lie, but Trump is doubling down
>>2881541Hello, we are back. Rejuvenated and ready to answer a bunch of questions. Unfortunately,our meet-up was not as successful as it should have been. A lot of you didnโt show up.
>>2882290Getting pure mogged by that aylmao
>>2882274i'm not talking about the emperor or his clothes, i'm talking about everyone else in the world and their commitment to reality, the thing that actually matters. aren't you able to pick up on that reading my post, grasp the main idea? how exactly do you read text, do you actually read it from beginning to end and form a social connection like as if the author were saying the words out loud to you, or do you just sort of scan the whole thing all at once and pick up on a few certain scattered keywords and conclude the meaning of it based on that?
If anyone cares: A mildly popular "dissident right" Xhitter figurehead by the name of Yoshi/hebrewpimps recently had a ton of shit on him put out in the open.
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/trump-enslavement-syndrome.25213/page-2549#post-25040252 (Yes I know it's Kiwi Farms, this is just so people know I'm not bullshitting)
>tldr: A bipolar halfblind 30yr old Italian-American NEET who has spent six years straight getting mad daily under the tweets of random transhumanists and leftists on Twitter, sometimes to the point of posting deranged pedophilic fantasies under the pictures of actual Palestinian children and allegedly beating his own dog when he gets mad.
>Sergio posts like he's only got 1 year left to live, because he might go blind soon or because his retiree father might pass away at any time and leave him with nobody to leech off anymore.
>His bipolar episodes and obsession with transhumanists have pushed away most of his former friends, even if they don't like transhumanists. Most have quietly abandoned him or openly declared him beyond help.Still psychotic and self-obsessed I see.
>>2882295Dude calm the fuck down, I was just pointing out that while parts of the government were admitting it was fake Trump himself and by extension is base are doubling down. Cuz you know, reality is formed by whoever shouts the loudest in this day and age.
Also I have to disagree with your other point, because this was probably one of the only cases where Trump made an obvious lie that was readily called out by the rest of the mainstream media. Usually you're right, they dont bother pushing back out of fear of legal action, but because the reflecting pool thing was both such an obvious lie and ultimately rather inconsequential most people felt free to call out the administration on their bullshit
Anyways, hereโs how I will stand against Epstein class in the senate. Give away half of my congressional salary as direct cash payments to low-.income communities. Something that neither Mr. Cooper or whatley have ever pledged to do.
>>2882314international lassallean solidarity, marxcels BTFO (again)
>>2882290you can tell a porn-trained AI generated this alien
>>2882297very funny. i wonder if the average person considers that if critters from another galaxy visited us they would not only have evolved to look totally different from us instead of just being like grey tall humans with bug eyes, but also that they would be so much more technologically advanced than us and not getting marched around in chains by brain damaged marines and psychopathic CIA agents
>>2882314DSA is now doing the travel-abroad-and-handshake meme that ACP was doing. When will Zohran shake hands with Houthis?
>>2881541Jack wilimos will vote against any to all aid for Israel. Complete trade embargo against the Zionist entity. Can you say the same for Mr. Cooper or whatley.
Jack wilimos official campaign number is once again: +1 712-206-1188
Ask any questions about our campaign. You should hear the phrase โhello, this is chief of staff of the enver hoxha thought American tendency.โ
>>2882308>Trump made an obvious lie that was readily called out by the rest of the mainstream media.eh, they did but they really didn't. even if they criticized the vandalism narrative in the body of the article (which most people never even read because of paywalls) they ran the narrative at face-value in the headline - "authorities investigating vandalism of reflecting pool", "man charged for damaging reflecting pool", etc. there is no real journalism anymore, even the supposedly liberal left-leaning news organizations are just state-run clickbait outlets.
>>2882262I mean I'm biased but I think if you weigh good vs bad they probably did some good, as opposed to the "name and shame" kind of social liberalism that came after.
Ultimately I think what people fundamentally misunderstand about American culture is most are small-l "libertarians" in a vague sense. Like they just fundamentally don't want to be told what to do. John Carpenter, I think, kind of embodied this in Escape from L.A. where the evil president is like an evangelical that also forced everyone to be a vegetarian. Its this "well you don't get to tell me what to do" kind of mentality.
The flaw of a lot of political groups is assuming that when there's this visceral reaction to people "telling us what to do" its because the "silent majority" actually believe the opposite. Its something that happens again and again in this kind of pendulum effect.
>The Bush-Era conservatives try imposing Evangelicalism on people <You get the online Atheist movement and some Gen X types rolling their eyes at it, they meet with some success.>Groups ancillary to that (like feminists that formed Atheism+ or the academics that'd get associated with "SJWs") think that's because they've got the silent majority on their side.<Schism the original "don't tread on me" style movement by demanding affirmative beliefs in X, Y, and Z>Opportunistic Right Wingers use this to expand the tent and pull the "are you triggered?" vice-signalling stuff.<Idiots on the Right thinks people were sick of "SJWs" or "woke" because they're based TradCaths or whatever.>Rinse and Repeat.The problem is always the imposition "well you HAVE to LIKE this now". Whether that imposition is real or imagined. I dunno if I'd call it "dialectical" but it seems like its a pulse in the undercurrent of American politics.
>>2882332Marx sent on of his disciples and Willich killed him.
Frequently asked questions for Jack wilimos(sneak peek)
Q1: do you have any prior experience in politics?
A: no, I had a dream of the honorable enver hoxha
Saying I need to enlighten the state of North Carolina.
Q: where are you from.
A: the collective unconscious of the state of North Carolina. More specifically,Charlotte.
Q: what are your thoughts on the incumbent sheriff of mecklenburg county?
A: he should resign and be replaced by more competent reformist leadership.
>>2882332>August Willich challenged Marx to a duel for being too conservativebased ultroid
>>2882262I think that's more just straight people coming up with a way to say they're cool with gays and lesbians without "sounding like a fag," which is progress in a way.
>>2882362>Escape from L.A.That is a cinematic masterpiece. Also the other villain aside from the theocratic president is a Shining Path guy (although he looks like Che) who has marshalled an army of third-world nations to do the JDPON on the United $nakkke$ and he's fucking the president's daughter. Pam Grier also plays a trans woman who teams up with Snake to do a paraglider attack. Anyways I like how he has left-wing villains too but he has some familiarity too, like the crazed Weather Underground type woman in the first movie who hijacks Air Force One while ranting "we the soldiers of the National Liberation Front of America… in the NAME OF THE WORKERS strike a fatal blow at the racist police state!"
>>2882400Imagine if a lipstick lesbian were to run in Mississippi governorโs election next year. Do you think maga chauvinists would vote for that?
Also more questions and answers on the way.
>>2882362> Ultimately I think what people fundamentally misunderstand about American culture is most are small-l "libertarians" in a vague sense.This is a frustration I run into in trying to explain to foreigners just exactly why this country gets so goddamn weird. If youโre looking at this place through the default assumptions of a more collectivistic culture, of course this place looks like a baffling narcissist clown show. Once you understand that Americansโ basic attitude towards any self-appointed missionary for a cause is โI donโt trust you and your big stick, fuck off and leave me alone,โ this place starts to make far more sense.
We have more anarchists than Marxists - and always have - for a reason
>>2882353>I canโt point to brazil on a map its pretty big, you have to be braindead to miss it
>>2882404Very true. Such an odd comment.
Q: what will you do about the cost of living?
A: encourage the governor to make Duke energy 100% owned by the state government. Also smart and fierce price controls on all grocery goods. No more price gouging
>>2882391Marx didn't send the kid, the kid simped on Marx's behalf. Also the kid didn't die in the duel, He did get shot in the head, but he lived for a long time after it.
>>2882041>>2882043>>2882045I'm confused. Is this two people talking to each other or one guy just adding more stuff with each post
>>2882403Hate to do dorky media analysis, but there's an old Simpsons episode that I think is a good time capsule where Homer stops going to Church, and its not like its because he heard some stupid Christopher Hitchens episode, its just that he's lazy. It's cold out. He doesn't feel like going.
That isn't to say there aren't Atheists in America or that the Atheist movement didn't appeal to people beyond just "I'm lazy and don't want to go to church"; after all if I know anything about Evangelicals is that they left a lot of people with religious trauma. It's that kind of libertarian attitude coming through.
Stephen King is also a great example of this. Its pretty much a trope in his books to have an asshole in a position of power, usually an UrExample of a Karen.
>>2882400Escape from L.A. is seriously underrated in my opinion.
I'm American and I'm tired of all our politicians and business owners supporting Israel. I'm not an antisemite or a White Supremacist, I just don't support Israel's genocide, and I think the billions of dollars we give them could be put to better use on our economy, infrastructure, and people.
…and now you all think I'm un-American, don't you?
>>2882281Denmark is a meaningfully sovereign nation in what way? We already have military bases there from before WWII, I donโt get it
The Diarrhea Lettuce Company Has Been Linked to Forced Laborhttps://futurism.com/science-energy/diarrhea-lettuce-taylor-farms-prison-labor
>When the United States ratified the 13th amendment in 1865, federal lawmakers very nearly outlawed slavery for good โ but not entirely. Tucked within arguably the most important corner of the US constitution is a massive caveat: โneither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United Statesโ (emphasis added.)
>In the 160-some years since that amendment, a quieter type of forced servitude has lived on in the US: prison labor. From the debt peonage of the post-Civil War reconstruction era to the privatized contracting of the 21st century, prison labor is a massive money maker, generating $11 billion worth of goods in 2022 alone.
>As horrifying a thought as it is, one of the companies still benefiting from the practice is in the news for another reason: spreading a gut-busting diarrhea parasite through mass-produced shredded lettuce in grocery stores and fast food outlets.
>It turns out that Taylor Farms, the agricultural company widely believed to be behind the cyclospora outbreak currently raging throughout the US, is also heavily involved in modern-day forced labor.
>In reporting from 2023 that was resurfaced this week on social media, the publication Prison Legal News revealed that Taylor Farms was contracting labor from the Arizona Department of Correction, Rehabilitation, and Reentry for the low, low price of just $4.75 an hour โ far below the cost of a non-incarcerated worker the federal minimum wage. (And to be clear, thatโs not the hourly wage paid to the inmate, which is capped at $1.50 in Arizona.)
>Taylor Farms is just one firm involved in the practice in Arizona. Others include Hickmanโs Egg Farms, NatureSweet, and Televerde, each of which contracted labor from Arizona DCRRโs for-profit arm, Arizona Correctional Industries. That companyโs job is basically to churn out bulk goods for the state of Arizona, like license plates, though it also makes quite a bit of money selling the labor-hours of incarcerated people to private companies.
>Worse yet, some of those incarcerated workers may have been here as non-citizens โ meaning it would be illegal to employ them in the same low-wage jobs if they werenโt being held in detention. As Prison Legal noted at the time, at least 26 prisoners employed by these companies had been detained by ICE, meaning that outside of incarceration, hiring them would have been illegal. To put it bluntly: their status as prisoners was the only thing that made the arrangement legal.
>In all, the DCRR told Prison Legal it had hired out 15,700 โMexican nationalsโ between 2008 and 2023, though couldnโt say how many of those workers were undocumented immigrants.
>As Ruben Reyes, director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association told the publication at the time: โIโm venturing a guess that a large majority of the people who are labeled a Mexican national by [DCRR] are unauthorized to work here.โ
>Put into context, the revelation is a horrifying twist in an already nauseating story of corporate greed and deregulation. Though the institution of slavery may have been formally abolished, its legacy lives on โ fully embraced by the for-profit companies pumping our food supply full of parasites.
>Taylor Farms didnโt respond to a request for comment. >>2882432Reasonable position, I imagine youโre intelligent enough to also get why US support for Israel exists beyond blackmail and bribery, mostly that Israel is basically us in the 16-early 1900s. Itโs a natural partnership in that sense.
Reports of a riot in an anti-ICE rally has began in DC
>>2882499The future isn't too terribly far away
>>2882499big if true situation is crazy
Q: what do you think about the USA exiting the wto?
A: I fully and undeniably support it.
Q: do you support the panthers?
A: no, I hate the nfl. I do like the minor league Charlotte knights.
Q: what are your thoughts on the recent death of raoul vanegiem?
A:RIP. A deep inspiration on this campaign.
>>2882422>Escape from L.A. is seriously underrated in my opinion.So many fun actors in that. Peter Fonda as a surfer. Bruce Campbell as the insane plastic surgeon. Steve Buscemi as Map to the Stars Eddie. Also there's a great payoff at the end, you don't normally get that in movies. Snake actually does what Snake would do, he doesn't suddenly go against his own character. A lot of movies pull a swerve on the audience because the story is leading to an overturning of the social order but that gets too risky by the end, so the character suddenly has a change of heart. Snake does not.
Cliff Robertson, the actor who plays the president, was famous in the 60s but was old-fashioned even by the 90s and nobody knows who he is now. But his character is scary as shit.
โThe U.S.A. is locked and loaded and ready to go against the Islamic Republic of Iran, at levels of Military Terror, Strength, and Power not seen since World War II. Despite this, we have just been asked by Iran, and other Middle Eastern Countries, to hold off any attack in that the perimeters of a deal has been agreed to. This would include the Immediate, Complete, and Total OPENING OF THE HORMUZ STRAIT, and an end to Iranโs nuclear threat.
โBased on this request, I have agreed, for the future benefit of the WORLD and, likewise, the survival of a successful and prosperous Iran, to cancel the attack, subject to being able to rapidly make a DEAL. The Country of Israel joins me in this commitment. Get to work, everybody, and get it DONE.
โThank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP.โ
>PERIMETERS OF A DEAL
>CONCEPTS OF A PLAN
>>2882534That interpretation is too generous. Dumb motherfucker obviously wanted to say parmeters but he is too fucking dumb.
>>2882530In a just world, trump and those oil execs go to jail.
>>2882558So Brazil really does have a lot of trans women ? I just thought it was a meme.
>>2882534Just putting aside the perimeters that has been agreed to.
>US is going to do Terror>Iran, asked me to hold off any attack>mentions Israel for no explicable reason >>2882558what's
transgender? is a standard term already?
my point is, just in case, how do we know that what's reported in X country is the same as reported in Y country?
>>2882563per capita is definitively a proportional metric to the % metric, just expressed not in %, because % the division adds a 100 to get the
-centage >>2882596
If I land on the beach Iโm killing my officer immediately
>>2882603You donโt need recroooters if thereโs a draft
>>2882592imagine paying for early access to this faggot posting AI memes of himself
lil burgers who weren't even alive during 9/11 are gonna be drafted do go die in kharg island for israel. grim.
>>2882605For $100k a month. That's fucking crazy. You'd think for $100k a month you'd get his personal phone number.
>>2882608Thatโs also chump change
>>2882610Thatโs what Iโm saying, if youโre gonna do insider trading, charge more, half a mill to a mill at least
>>2882612it'll be so amazing after the US empire collapses and every fucking video game and every fucking movie that comes out depicts the US as the bad guys finally.
>>2882618 The necklaces are real and made in some Chinese factory somewhere lol. I endorse this scam. Fox News Boomers deserve to get fleeced of all their wealth.
>>2882605do you remember the 'trump's golden visa'?
he bragged about getting billions out of that idea? priced 5 millions each, I recall (I may be off)
that it died in the new media cycle, not before an article was published debunking the 'billions' claim, because only like 10 were sold?
it might be one of those things, again.
>>2882627 (me)
>>2882605like, my point is: he's not even that original…
>>2882592Insider traders can afford it
>>2882168He would have a lot to write out about regarding its history of colonization under six flags and its consequences.
Texas was and has always been a shithole filled with reactionary settlers and their inbred descendants. Might have made things difficult.
>The FT confirms that the US has withdrawn its presence from Kuwait & Bahrain after Iranian attacks.
>The US is now fighting at a pace thatโs set by Iran.It's over, Iran defeated the United States
https://x.com/AryJeayBackup/status/2083852092871942572 >>2882916>Slotkin was born on July 10, 1976, in New York City, the daughter of Judith (nรฉe Spitz) Slotkin[4] and Curt Slotkin.<born in NYC>Her family farm was part of Hygrade Meat Company,[8] founded by her great-grandfather Samuel Slotkin,[9] who emigrated from Minsk in 1900.[10] Hygrade was the original company behind Ball Park Franks, which is now owned by Tyson Foods.<Bourgeois heiress>Judith and Curt divorced, and Judith came out as gay, in 1986, during the peak of the AIDS epidemic. Slotkin and her brother moved in with their mom. Their home was a gathering place for Detroit's covert but vibrant LGBTQ+ community.I don't know what the fuck lesbians have to do with the AIDS epidemic.
>Her father was a longtime Republican and Ronald Reagan supporter whose worldview she agreed with during her childhood. Slotkin has said that she became a Democrat because of the Reagan administration's indifference to the widespread suffering of those with AIDS, which greatly affected her.<Log Cabin Republican>Slotkin joined the Central Intelligence Agency in 2002, following the September 11 attacks.[13] Fluent in Arabic and Swahili, she served three tours in Iraq alongside the military as a CIA analyst.[11] She described her role as an expert on Iraqi Shia militias.[15] During the George W. Bush administration, she worked on the Iraq portfolio for the National Security Council. Wow she's the real Zero Dark Thirty.
>During Barack Obama's presidency, she worked for the State Department and the Department of Defense.[11] From 2015 to 2017, Slotkin was acting Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs,[16] where one of her responsibilities was securing Israel's Qualitative Military Edge.Lol lmao even.
>After leaving the Defense Department in January 2017, Slotkin moved back to her family's farm in Holly, Michigan,[7] where she set up a consulting business.[18]A real Michigander.
>Upon her election in 2018, Slotkin and fellow moderate freshmen women from competitive districts with national security backgrounds Abigail Spanberger, Mikie Sherrill, Elaine Luria, and Chrissy Houlahan, were described as a "mod squad" counterweight to the progressive "Squad".[37][38][39]woaw. Everyone has a squad now huh.
>In January 2024, Slotkin signed a letter criticizing South Africa's genocide case against Israel, calling it "grossly unfounded"of course she would
>Early in 2025, Slotkin was one of 12 Senate Democrats who joined all Republicans to vote for the Laken Riley Act.noice.
>After Trump's 2025 State of the Union address, she gave the official Democratic response.Of course the Dems are going to reward their most conservative members who vote against them.
>she warned of rising costs and increased national debt, and said President Ronald Reagan would be "rolling in his grave" if he saw Trump cozying up to Vladimir Putin.Sounds like she still has a soft spot for Reagan, this is really the right message for Democrats: "What would Reagan think?"
>>2882916>>2882928"Mom can we go to the masses"
"We have going to the masses at home"
Going to the masses at home:
Herrenvolk status?
>>2882916>If Democrats can figure out how to win in the middle of the country,>The middle>The center>The moderate>The silent majority Reaganite nonsense.
The middle and center are delusions of ego. Might as well say youโre the center of existence at that point. And there is nothing moderate about liberal insanity.
>>2882627>do you remember the 'trump's golden visa'?i remember the iraqi dinar scam from his 1st term
>>2882988
never mind i'm stupid and didn't see the word "rep." so it is relevant. i am sorry and stupid and dumb. i was wrong on the internet. let me announce it in the sight of gods and men.
>>2882991uuuuuuuuuuuggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>2882996Sounds like a freudian slip in my opinion
>>2883012It seem pretty obvious to me that although Zionism is obviously a Jewish supremacist ideology when followed to it's logical conclusion, I don't think "liberal zionists" have internalized and accepted this? The fact that there is a lot of everyday people who describe themselves as such in America, while there is no one serious that calls themselves a "liberal neo-nazi" is good evidence of that fact. So obviously it seems helpful to discuss the matter with them to make them move to either the fascistic camp or the anti-zionist camp. That said I would not describe these conversations as an attempt to "better understand them" squirrel is right there.
>>2883022We have people on this board supporting liberal zionism, ever see King Lears shitty map? Mf can't imagine anything more advanced than a two state solution
>>2883024You have said the absolute truth. Are you willing to endorse Jack wilimos?
>>2882958The actual moderate voters in America are guys whose votes would swing depending on how much a candidate can bench, and ladies who'll vote based on which candidate reminds them of their shitty ex the least.
>>2883022I mean not for nothing, but you do sometimes get those "No no no, I'm a MODERATE White Supremacist!" who talk about how they don't "actually" hate other races, they just want the NAACP for White People, it's just people rightfully call that out on how ridiculous it is.
Honestly what it amounts to with Zionism is that Jewish people have a history of victimhood. It's ingrained in mainstream society's perspective of them. If Liberia actually became the "Black Israel" it was founded as and had the money and institutional support Israel does, you'd be seeing the same thing happen. People ultimately don't want to become bigots so "moderate" supremacists for zionism get a pass for their ridiculous beliefs.
>>2882991Starts 15:23
<Hoover: "Recognize the rights of the Palestinian people, including the right of return, the right to resist military occupation, and the right of self-determination in a free Palestine with Jerusalem as the capital." quoting Melat Kiros>Kiros: I think it's up to the Palestinians, through their right of self-determination, to determine a capital or whatever that statehood would look like. But protecting their right to self-determination and everything else that you said. Right of return, including the right of return.<Hoover: OK. End on military and economic aid to Israel.>Kiros: Yes.<Hoover: It's no surprise to you this is a flashpoint in your campaign. What I have learned to understand about your position about the Middle East is that you hope for an Israel and Palestine that can live in peace together. Your quote was, "Perhaps it is naive to believe that people in Palestine and Israel might one day live together as neighbors in peace without fear of persecution under a new government, but it is not hopeless, and most importantly, it is not anti-Semitic." I take you at your word that this does not come from an anti-Semitic place in your heart.<There are many Jews who believe very strongly in a two-state solution. It is their view that the only way to reliably guarantee the security of the Jewish people after centuries of persecution that culminated in the Holocaust is to have a Jewish state. Why is that concern misplaced?>Kiros: Well, first and foremost, I would argue that I don't think anyone has actually presented a truly effective proposal for a two-state solution. For example, a two-state solution would have to resolve the fact that there are 750,000 illegal settlers in the West Bank from Israel. If we're being serious about a two-state solution, then that would mean expelling 750,000 people from the West Bank. I think a two-state solution also ignores the reality of how Israel was created as a state and robs the Palestinian people of their right to self-determination as well.<Hoover: So tell me then, in the context of a one-state solution, what concrete institutions would protect Jews if they no longer control the government or the military and find themselves in a minority?>Kiros: It gets back to what does it mean to be a democracy? Because the debate here is the idea of a Jewish state that is a democracy.<Hoover: I mean, the Israelis would argue, and I know you have heard this, that there are Arabs, a million Arabs at least, living with full rights and freedoms in the state of Israel. I recognize that doesn't represent the West Bank or Gaza, but within Israel. So they would argue that they're a pluralistic country and actually a democracy.This fucking bitch jumps right from: Why can't Jews have an supremacist state, to but ackshually, there are Muslims living there, so it's actually not a supremacists state, but also why can't the Jews control the government and the military?
<So I guess the question is, if it were to be one state with all of Palestine or all of the West Bank and Gaza, how does one guarantee the security of the Jews? >Kiros: That's part of what those deliberations would have to be, right? And I think that is a role that the United States has to play in these peace talks where we talk about, I think we talk about this like it's a zero-sum game. Like we can't guarantee the right to return for Palestinians and the right to some kind of reparations as a result of this genocide that they're facing right now, while also securing basic needs and protection for Jewish people in what would be this new form of government.<Hoover: Should the Arab nations that are our neighbors also take a role?>Kiros: I think anybody who's committed to democratic values has a role to play. But to be clear, this is the Israeli and Palestinians that need to be leading this. That is what self-determination is, right? For them to decide what kind of a government that they want to live in.<Hoover: The reality, right, is that, as we both know, since October 7th, the overwhelming majority of Israelis, from the liberal side to the conservative side, are all deeply concerned about what would happen if there was a one-state solution. And so, I guess, reasonably, we can all have our->Kiros: he concern is valid, but the concern doesn't justify allowing the status quo to continue, right? There are people whose lives are being lost right now and children whose limbs are being blown off. We have a responsibility to defending our democratic values and holding our allies accountable in that way. It's never easy, but that doesn't mean that it's an excuse to not do what is in line with our democratic values, which is to secure equal rights and equal dignity to any human being that's living in what is supposedly a democratic state. Ok that's everything leading up to the part in this clip:
>>2882991I think everything she said was good in the part I just quotes. One state solution(Gaddafi called it Isratine) right of return for all Palestinians and reparations as well. I don't know what else she could say? Expel all Israelis? I think maybe she might've tried to be too diplomatic but it's good perhaps to try to broach these ideas, that the Zionists would obviously find too extreme, in the most diplomatic way possible. Maybe I'd like to see all the Zionists leave(and go where right? I don't want them coming here?) But I think advocating to an end of apartheid similar to South Africa might be the best solution to advocate for. Of course the Zios will just end up leaving once they no longer have supremacy and go move to Argentina or whatever their next host nations will be.
The 3.5% rule is a political science concept stating that when at least 3.5% of a country's population engages in nonviolent civil resistance, the movement is historically very likely to achieve its political goals. Formulated by Erica Chenoweth, it highlights the power of mass participation.
>Active participation by 3.5% of a population usually means a much larger share of society secretly or openly supports the cause.
>Peaceful protests make it easy for diverse groups of people to join, creating widespread disruption that is hard for a government to ignore.
>High turnout signals a movement's inevitability, which can convince business leaders, police, and military forces to withdraw their support from the government.
>>2883024>Mf can't imagine anything more advanced than a two state solutionKiros advocated for the one-state solution in the interview:
>>2883031https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isratin>Isratin or Isratine[1] (Hebrew: ืืฉืจืืื, Yisrฤtฤซn; Arabic: ุฅุณุฑุงุทูู, สพIsrฤแนญฤซn), also known as the bi-national state (Hebrew: ืืืื ื ืื-ืืืืืืช, Medina Du-Le'umit), is a proposed unitary, federal or confederate Israeli-Palestinian state encompassing the present territory of Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Depending on various points of view, such a scenario is presented as a desirable one-state solution resolving the IsraeliโPalestinian conflict, or as a calamity in which Israel would ostensibly lose its character as a Jewish state and the Palestinians would fail to achieve their national independence within a two-state solution. Increasingly, Isratin is being discussed[by whom?] not as an intentional political solution โ desired or undesired โ but as the probable, inevitable outcome of the continuous growth of the Jewish settlements in the West Bank and the seemingly irrevocable entrenchment of the Israeli occupation there since 1967.
>The Gaddafi Isratin proposal intended to permanently resolve the IsraeliโPalestinian conflict through a secular, federalist, republican one-state solution, which was first articulated by Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the son of Muammar Gaddafi of Libya, at the Chatham House in London and later adopted by Muammar Gaddafi himself.
>Its main points are:
<Creation of a binational Jewish-Palestinian state called the "Federal Republic of the Holy Land"; <Partition of the state into five administrative regions, with Jerusalem as a city-state; <Return of all Palestinian refugees; <Supervision by the United Nations of free and fair elections on the first and second occasions; <Removal of weapons of mass destruction from the state; <Recognition of the state by the Arab League.
>Saif al-Islam Gaddafi's proposal was eventually incorporated in Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's book Arabic: ุฅุณุฑุงุทูู โ ุงููุชุงุจ ุงูุฃุจูุถ, romanized: สพIsrฤแนญฤซn โ al-Kitฤb al-สพAbyaแธ, lit.โ'Isratine โ The White Book' released in the year 2000,[2] which served as his official guide to address the ArabโIsraeli conflict and how to solve it.[3] Despite the suggestion of "Federal Republic of the Holy Land" as the name of this hypothetical new state, the name Isratin (Hebrew: ืึดืฉึฐืืจึธืึดืื, Yisratin; Arabic: ุฅุณุฑุงุทูู, สพIsrฤแนญฤซn), a portmanteau of the names "Israel" and "Falastin" ("Palestine" in Arabic and Hebrew) โ variously spelled in English as "Isratine" or "Israteen" and sometimes rendered "Israstine" โ has been used as a "working title" for the notion of a single state in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with Palestinians and Jewish inhabitants of all three having citizenship and equal rights in the combined entity.
>Muammar Gaddafi again championed the "Isratin proposal" in an op-ed article for the New York Times as the "only option" for a solution to the IsraeliโPalestinian conflict. The timing of the article approximately coincided with the inauguration of Barack Obama as President of the U.S. and with the cease-fire that apparently marked the end of the Gaza War (2008โ09).[4][5] Gaddafi argued that this solution would avoid the partitioning of West Bank into Arab and Jewish zones, with buffer zones between them.[6]https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/opinion/22qaddafi.html >>2883029Mhm, I think those people are most likely being disingenuous and understand the dissonance of their "views" and/or saying it to be inflammatory and get attention. I said everyday people because I think a lot of the politicians that say they are liberal zionists are the same way and are being cynical.
>>2883039*politicians and major zionist media figures too
>>2883031>I don't know what else she could say?Unfortunately the left has a tendency towards purity spiralling and hunting for heretics.
>>2883045Said it before but I'll say it again, the further left you go the higher your chances of being called a Nazi are.
>>2883045>Unfortunately the left has a tendency towards purity spiralling and hunting for hereticsAnd the right and center doesnโt?
>>2883022>It seem pretty obvious to me that although Zionism is obviously a Jewish supremacist ideology when followed to it's logical conclusion, I don't think "liberal zionists" have internalized and accepted this? Not really, no. Well it's a weird thing because most American Jews are descended from emigres from the Russian Empire in the late 1800s, early 1900s. So over generations they have risen up in the country, and many of them can identity with an Obama-type liberalism while also rolling with Israel because it's a Jewish state. They're just extremely American in that way, but there's a whole lot of Israelis who do not have the same ideas that these liberal Zionists do.
I don't think there's any big mystery to it, it's like Armenian nationalism or Turkish nationalism where there's an ethnic-territorial claim and an "ancestral homeland" and a bunch of wars waged by tigers where defeat means ethnic cleansing. That is not unique but the added thing is that this was experienced by the Palestinians as like an alien invasion by some very well-organized and well-armed people.
Also this is a point of tension. Like there are American liberal Zionists who go to Israel and are like "wow guys you're making it really hard to support Israel (but we love Israel though!!!) because of all this horrendous violence, Israel needs to be MORAL and it needs have this ~moral soul~ and I'm afraid you're losing it…"
But from the Israelis' perspective it's like you guys are moralfags, go fuck yourself
>>2883049No, not even close to the degree the left does.
Honestly all you've got to do is say "I hate the Left and want to fight them" and you're brought into the Right. Even if you get someone who'll disagree or call you a RINO or whatever their opinion will shift on a dime depending on how useful it is to them.
Meanwhile if you say the wrong thing once on the Left you'll not just be expelled from whatever org you're a part of, but you'll get what amounts to an APB to any future org you try to join.
>>2883031Also, why the fuck does no ever point out that the Holocaust happened in EUROPE, building on centuries of anti-semitic groundwork in EUROPEAN society. In fact, the Middle East and Muslim rule was a long-term place of refuge for Jews, not that there weren't discrimination and violent ethnic incidents, until of course the creation and actions of the Israel inflamed anti-semitism in the region. I dunno maybe it has been irreversibly calcified at this point but it seems very unlikely that Arabs get a democratic majority in some future one state and immediately do a holocaust. But all these racist media figures present it somehow as a distinct, even inevitable, possibility. I would say there is WAY more of a possibility of fascist anti-semitism returning to Europe because of the historical undercurrents.
>>2883055The left definitely does it more but the far right engages in plenty of purity spirals of their own. Endless debates over who counts as white, how many drops of Jew blood is too much, whether the Holocaust was a hoax or whether it was real and a good thing, and James Mason's Siege explicitly endorses purity spiraling and taking the most extreme positions possible
>>2883049the left hates contradictions; the right is built on contradictions. Thus the culture of interrogations, "I have identified these contradictions in your worldview, we must resolve these right NOW". It's not a bad thing per se, I just wish people didn't treat it as life or death.
>>2883055>No, not even close to the degree the left does.It only feels that way if you're the target of left purity spiraling. Ignore leftoids for a few months and observe rightoids in their natural habitats and you will see just how hard they purity spiral.
>>2883062Sorry too late, your org provided free shelter to the homeless (unorganizable lumpen reactionary SCUM) so now I have no choice but to drive across state lines to assassinate you. Them's the breaks bucko, them's the breaks
>>2883055>No, not even close to the degree the left does.>and you're brought into the RightIโm sorry, are we talking about the same people right now? That is absolutely not the case with the right or center. Fuckers have more capacity for discrimination than there are stars in the galaxy.
>their opinion will shift on a dime depending on how useful it is to themThat is true, but that doesnโt mean theyโll go 180 either, nor will they necessarily keep you as anything more than a tool.
>Meanwhile if you say the wrong thing once on the LeftAs apposed to existing wrong for the right and center. And what exactly are the wrong things anyways?
>>2883060The invasion of Jews and creation of Israel definitely inflamed it, but I don't think it can be separated from the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. It's bound up in a larger bloody process resulting from that since the territory used to be controlled by the Ottomans. There was an older imperial system (and empires are supposed to be diverse!) and that collapsed and then you had nation-states forming there.
>>2883062>the left hates contradictionsYou mean neutral? There can be positives about contradictions.
>Thus the culture of interrogations, "I have identified these contradictions in your worldview, we must resolve these right NOW"What kind of contradictions are we talking about?
Still nothing from yank ""leftists""""
>>2883072>You mean neutral? There can be positives about contradictions.That's a good criticism. I was referring to contradictions in a marxism sense, where two things pull from opposite direction and as the contradictions continue to develop the revolutionary potential builds so it's true that that isn't something leftists "hate". What I meant was I think it's somewhat common for leftists to turn this idea inwards and interrogate their own belief systems with the feeling that they cannot cannot move forward or be effective until they have resolved contradictions that might be there. And the right does not have that sort of foundation and I would say they revel in contradictions in some ways.
>๐จ The Israeli Prime Ministerโs Office has issued its first public reaction since U.S. President Trump announced the Board of Peace agreement with Palestinian resistance factions earlier this week, raising โserious security concernsโ about the proposed disarmament and withdrawal process.
>๐น PMO spokesperson Doron Spielman told the Associated Press that Israel would not withdraw from Gaza, where its military controls more than 60% of the territory, before Hamas physically hands over its weapons, adding that โdisarming means physically giving up the weapons. Nothing less.โ
>๐น Israel claims intelligence shows Hamas is recruiting fighters, rearming and rebuilding its military capabilities and not preparing to demilitarize.
<โOur assessment is that if we redeploy before Hamas is truly disarmed, it will quickly expand its presence throughout Gaza, rebuild its terrorist infrastructure, once again threaten Israeli communities, and seek to carry out another Oct. 7-style attack,โ Spielman said.
>๐น It remains unclear what Israel has directly communicated to the White House. Two people familiar with the talks told AP Israel has also relayed its objections to former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a member of Trumpโs Board of Peace.
>๐น One said Israel is demanding continued freedom to strike and kill Palestinians in Gaza, even under the proposed agreement. The AP wrote: โOne of them said that among the points Israel wanted was freedom to conduct military operations in Gaza.โ
>๐ด Israel is objecting to Trumpโs new roadmap for disarmament and Israeli withdrawal, seeking the right to continue military operations in Gaza even under the Board of Peace-backed agreement, the Associated Press reported.
>Two people familiar with the talks said Israel relayed its objections to former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a member of the Trump-led board. One said Israel demanded continued freedom to launch strikes and conduct other military operations in Gaza after the agreement takes effect.
>The demand would allow Israel to continue killing Palestinians even as the NCAG, the Board of Peace-backed technocratic body slated to replace Hamas governance, assumes control of Gazaโs administration.
>>2883074Personally I think Tucker is highly dangerous and disingenuous and should not be considered an ally in anyway. He is running a right-wing sheep-dogging operation for 2028 imo. Last time the thread talked about him people mostly agreed he was a reactionary but were not sure on how genuine he was in the moral outrage he has expressed about the palestinian issue, due to specific things he has done, like going out of his way to visit victims of the genocide.
>>2883079>What I meant was I think it's somewhat common for leftists to turn this idea inwards and interrogate their own belief systems with the feeling that they cannot cannot move forward or be effective until they have resolved contradictions that might be thereI donโt think this is particularly common.
>And the right does not have that sort of foundation and I would say they revel in contradictions in some ways.I wouldnโt quite call it reveling.
>>2883085Yeah I could be wrong; perhaps people don't think about it the way I do. Most arguments right or left do come down to trying to convince your opponent that what they believe is contradictory, so it doesn't have to be a leftist specific thing.
>>2883092I heard him do a whole song and dance apology for his cheerleading of the Iraq invasion, but I've yet to see him do any mea culpa ever for all the racebaiting and racist shit he's said over the years.
Too me he will always be the 53 year old Fox News guy complaining about how he doesn't even want to have sex with the cartoon candy woman anymore. (this was just 4 years ago lol)
>>2883092I notice that Tucker really heavily centers on his faith with his journalism on the issue, and his audience seems to be responding to that. It's interesting, I don't know if a religious leftist would be able to cater to that audience in the same way.
>>2883096i love culture war bullshit. want people to forget that the chocolate industry uses child slave labor in africa? Make them argue about whether the chocolate company mascot is sexy or not.
>>2883096Fun fact, it's now canon to Gravity Falls that Dipper Pines looked up Green M&M porn
>>2883100He could've been busy piping Wendy or any of the other hotties in that town.
>>2883061See for as much as they'll have endless debates about "who is REALLY HuWhite" it doesn't matter to them at the end of the day. They'll joke about a /pol/ meetup being universally brown. Fuck, doesn't Jake Lang have some black guy who follows him around and says the N-word for him? They don't fucking care.
>>2883063>It only feels that way if you're the target of left purity spiraling. Ignore leftoids for a few months and observe rightoids in their natural habitats and you will see just how hard they purity spiral.I have, and it feels like "right wingers will purity spiral even harder" is more or less cope. It's like how apparently a bunch of Socialists back in the day thought Fascism would collapse into infighting because of each Axis nation being vehemently nationalist and then it didn't. As another anon said, when the Left sees apparent contradictions it tries to resolve them, the Right just exists in contradiction.
>>2883074>So how do we feel about the whole Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens thing?>>2883084>Personally I think Tucker is highly dangerous and disingenuous and should not be considered an ally in anyway. He is running a right-wing sheep-dogging operation for 2028 imo.>>2883092>Yeah I'm with you definitely wouldn't consider him an ally. Yeah I think people are mistaken that he'd run third party. I think he's just setting himself up to be an outsider running for the RNC nomination.The more interesting question is not whether they're "allies" or not, but why attempts at doing this thing haven't been very successful so far at changing anything. They could try to do some kind of populist thing, and that can scare the left because they think Tucker and Owens et al. will steal their base away. What you'll hear the Tucker Party say is that they don't care about left, right, or center and we're all just going to appeal to the common man against the elites, but we've seen populists already show up and try to do this and it doesn't work out.
It is reactionary in a sense because it looks back to a time when some kind of unity existed (maybe, to some extent) and now it doesn't, but that's because developments in capitalism and modernity have made society much more varied in terms of people's wants and needs. And now we have culture war because that stuff is impokrtant to a lot of people, and populists don't like this, but they can't really do anything about it except by trying to engineer a fascimile of a bygone unity like MAGA (or MAGA communism!) because it doesn't arise out of interactions in daily life. Also there are so many people trying to construct the thing from so many different directions all at once that it's impossible for them to actually construct the thing.
The other thing BTW is that Tucker and people like him tend to be way more into geopolitics than voters are. But the incentives on YouTube reward people talking about geopolitics because the people who are interested in "multipolarity" or military strategy with maps will watch a 40-minute video about that. Also the creators can just be totally wrong all the time and make predictions that don't come true and it doesn't matter but voters are like gas is $4/gallon bitch and they'll vote your ass out if you don't fix it.
Jack wilimos,if elected senator he will not abolish the police. A hasty and ultra-left dork idea. Instead he will abolish the sick practice of civil asset forfeiture and make police chiefs accountable to popular mandate.
>>2883103Fandom loves putting him with pacifica, or… his twin sister
>>2883106> a bunch of Socialists back in the day thought Fascism would collapse into infighting because of each Axis nation being vehemently nationalist and then it didn't. but fascists did infight. like the night of the long knives for example
>>2883121He's obviously talking about at an international level anon.
>>2883121I was more referring to a collapse on the international stage: โGrrr this nationalist fascist state thinks theyโre better than our fascist state!โ There wasnโt really much of a collapse on the stage of geopolitics
As for the night of the long knives, that was an internal purge rather than a collapse, and it seems a little silly to point to that given how political purges have taken place in virtually every newly established political ideology
>>2883123well of course they aren't going to infight at a level where it would existentially threaten themselves as a whole when they are in a war
>>2883113we have to make gas even more expensive so that burgers get so mad they overcome their differences.
>>2883106>it doesn't matter to them at the end of the day. It absolutely does matter to them, it just often doesnโt matter as much to them as being class traitors or securing the bourgeoisie does. Dividing the proletariat into stepping stones is very important to them, but many of them wonโt waste their energy if it costs them their prestige, hence why a lot of them hide behind dog whistles and โcivilityโ, or even flat out play the role of a progressive to retain or gain control in rare cases.
>They'll joke about a /pol/ meetup being universally brown.Theyโll joke because the act of ridding themselves of diversity takes a lower priority than attaining power. Bourgeoisie themselves has a diverse range of shitbags.
>I have, and it feels like "right wingers will purity spiral even harder" is more or less copeThatโs not a cope, thatโs an inevitability
>It's like how apparently a bunch of Socialists back in the day thought Fascism would collapse into infighting because of each Axis nation being vehemently nationalist and then it didn't- Italy
- The other two needed more time
>the Right just exists in contradiction.The right does Just exist in contradiction. The right is weak to contradictions as well.
>>2883125Except even prior to WW2 officially starting Fascist states chose to ally with each other rather than war. While there were some conflicts (like Italy and Germany competing to see who would be the ideological hegemon of Fascism) ultimately they were subordinated to a common cause. Which kind of goes back to what I was talking about before and what this anon
>>2883130 mentioned.
We can talk about right wing infighting but I donโt think it comes remotely close to left wing infighting. In fact Iโd argue a lot of it comes across as coping. Moving beyond mere personal anecdotes and perceptions of the Left or today being
uniquely harmed by purity spiraling, we can look at:
>The Anarchist split from the first international>The 2nd international split>Trotsky-Stalin Split>Sino-Soviet Split>The collapse of Republican SpainLike I think the frequency and destruction of leftist infighting is unique to it compared to other movements.
>>2883176Hitler Churchil is the rightโs Sino Soviet split
>>2883176>ultimately they were subordinated to a common causeno they weren't. fascist spain famously refused to hand over gibraltar and the nazi germans got big mad. the myth that rightoids are cooperative in ways the left isn't needs to die
>>2883186Especially with nationalism being such a factor on the right, one of the biggest factions of the French Resistance was French Action, the original fascist party
>>2883179Neither of them were part of the same ideological milieu or currents, this is just a โsplitโ in the sense that Marxists in particular view Churchill and Hitler as part of the same ideological project. Which is a far cry from the USSR and PRC both professing communism and opposing each other
>>2883190>Neither of them were part of the same ideological milieu or currentsLiberalism
>>2883190The Nazis were germanyโs attempt at a Tory party
>>2883190>Neither of them were part of the same ideological milieu or currentscorrect but dont expect anyone on leftypol to understand the nuance
>>2883194Fascism isnโt real, itโs liberalism rebranded, thereโs not a single fascist policy that wasnโt done by Simon Bolivar, Bonaparte, or the UK tory party
>>2883186>>2883188โThey didnโt cooperate in perfect harmonyโ is a far cry from โthey actively attempted to destroy one anotherโ which has been a huge factor in left wing splits. Yeah, Nazi Germany was mad about Gibraltar and Italy was mad about Germany stealing its clout, meanwhile the PRC sent military advisors to sabotage the Soviets in Afghanistan and the Spanish Anarchists and Communists tried to kill each other.
>>2883211>meanwhile the PRC sent military advisors to sabotage the Soviets in Afghanistan and the Spanish Anarchists and Communists tried to kill each other.What if I just said liberalism? What if I pointed at these two situations and said โLiberalism, liberalism everywhereโ? What now?
Yeah if there's one thing the left needs it's more infighting which is why we should dissolve the DSA immediately. Nothing good comes from things that seem to be working. It's probably only working because it's secretly bourgeois
>>2883214Anything is possible when you throw words around
>>2883215>DSA Isnโt a workers party
>>2883215Yeah fascism does do pretty well in its native west
>>2883211both fascist and communist states prioritize their self interests and only work in concert when interests intersect, just like any other state in human history. spains refusal to cooperate helped doom the fascist movement just like how the soviets and chinese refusal to cooperate helped doom the communist movement in the 90s. seems pretty cut and dry to me chief. when america turns communist you can bet there will be differences between us and the chinese communists i can assure you
>>2883219>communist states prioritize their self interestsWhat are the self interests of a communist state?
>>2883250Fun fact: the barbed wire behind the kids in the album cover is subtle nod to Brazil being a US-supported military dictatorship at the time, meant to represent the contrast of the happy music and the bleak political situation in the country.
>>2883252Orange about to turn red with rage
>>2883252>capital one<worried about law and orderLol, lmao even
>>2883260imagine what trump is doing then.
the lawsuit will be dismissed.
>>2883092>>2883084I think its good to watch Tucker to sus out the right wing. Tucker himself said he wants to save the Republican party. His purposed foreign policy is promising. Realignment with pacific, power sharing with china. Normalization with Russia. How much what he's said is genuine is up for debate but the fact Tucker is proposing a fundamental shift in U.S foreign policy is notable. He is a mouth piece and funded by some of the upper echelons. So some might actually see where the wind is blowing.
>>2883271It wonโt be tucker himself, as Trump shows itโs way better to be a media figure than the president. JD Vance doesnโt have the charisma to make it work and is permanently marked with Trumpโs record.
i want the democrats to never take power again so liberals never get the pleasure of going back to brunch, democrats never get to take credit for "saving the country" by making things 0.000001% less shitty for Americans, and because the Republicans are suicidally reactionary, but not competent or organized enough to do real fascism, and only seem to erode the country's imperialist hegemony when in power.
>>2883277The military coup is never coming, theyโre wedded and allied to the tech industry
>>2883282If itโs not the dems and not the military, who is supposed to take power? Workers arenโt ready
Fuck Franklin D. Roosevelt!
Fuck Ronald Reagan!
Jack wilimos is the king of pop and the leader of Camelot. Vote for him in November. Where? North Carolina for u.s senate.
>>2881541Fuck Roy cooper!
Fuck Michael Whatley!
Fuck Mao Zedong!
Jack wilimos is the king of pop and is from Charlotte North Carolina,period. Donโt for93t
to vot3 for h1m on Nov3mb3r 3rd.
The official campaign theme:
Respect is due to the party of labor of America! We will abolish all public debt, totally embargo the Zionist entity and more in the USA senate.
>>2883226>1 trillion dollars and he can't buy an educationbetween china and the USA my money's on the superpower that can teach its kids to read. no offense to any yanks.
>>2883315>he is only saying these things because he lacks educationno he is actively deceiving people
US national debt reached the 40 trillion.
3 days ago.
did any of you light 40 candles on a cake for the occasion?
not every day you are 40.
>>2883024This will probably be a very unpopular opinion, but a proper Dialectical Materialist analysis of the Zionist-Palestinian conflict reveals that the โOne-State Solutionโ is Bourgeois Liberal Individualist Idealism, as the Material Reality is that the DFLP (The Palestinian Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Party) has accepted the Two-State solution on the 1967 borders with 1:1 land swaps, and the only people who want a โOne-State Solutionโ are either the Zionists who want to Genocide all of the Palestinian Arabs and annex the West Bank and Gaza into the Zionist State, or the Dumb Liberal Idealist Western Left that are Delusional enough to actually believe that Jews and Arabs can happily live together in some Imaginary Kumbaya Hippie Commune version of Palestine, as I am not afraid to drop a Truth Nuke and say that since the German Jewish Zionist Frankenberger (A.K.A โHitlerโ) did the Holocaust and forced the entire Jewish population to flee Europe, the โTwo-State Solutionโ has been the only viable solution to the Zionist-Palestinian conflict and Stalin was right to support the 1947 partition, and it is not his fault that the Jews and Arabs chimped out on each other, with the Zionists using this as an excuse to carry out the Genocidal Naqba, and my version of the โTwo-State Solutionโ that will be implemented in the future Global USSR (this will be created by the successful World Maoist PPW that will happen after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System), that is based on the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalinโs โMarxism and the National Questionโ
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Leninโs โThe Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determinationโ
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , is that the Zionist State will be overthrown by a Maoist PPW and replaced with the Jewish SSR created inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 Land swaps (very similar to the two Maps in the third Image I posted, though ignore the disgusting Zionist propaganda that was unfortunately put in the captions, ๐๐คฃ๐คข๐คฎ!), while the West Bank and Gaza are placed in the Arab SFSR that will include all the Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa as shown in my Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in the first Image I posted (The second Image I posted specifically shows the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia), and the 1:1 Land swaps between the Jewish SSR and Arab SFSR will mean that Arab villages in the โtriangleโ region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(Israel) on the Jewish side of the 1967 borders will be exchanged for Jewish Settlements on the Arab side of the 1967 borders that are inside the โSeam Zoneโ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seam_Zone , so most Arabs and Jews that are in the โpopulation transferโ, will not have to leave their homes, โ๐๐จ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ต๐จ๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐โข๏ธ ๐โโ๏ธ๐ฉโ๐ฆฒ!
>>2883283>>2883283>W-workers arenโt readyCope. Itโs happening.
I am quite fond of the no state solution
>>2883277wish all you want, trump and the republicans are gonzo.
why do you think all the maga rats jumped out of the ship, like tucker carlson, owens, fuentes, jones? they are not getting audience like before. that's money they lose, that's banks accounts not re-filling as fast as they used to.
and that's in 12 months.
unlike pathetic worms like rubio, that cash out a government sallary, these maga influencers need the viewers, and if the viewers are seeing easily through trump's bullshit, the best barometer is that trump has lost a huge base support.
Modern funeral practices are fucking garbage and take the worst aspects of obnoxious religious cope and capitalist progression to create a slurry of waste, extortion, stupidity, wankery, and disrespect.
Not even the practices of atheists are safe from the bullshit.
>>2883440>slopstack Nah, not reading that
>>2883277>Republicans are suicidally reactionary, but not competent democraps would've never kidnapped maduro. you're out of you're goddamn mind
>>2883453Obama was a warmongering bastard, but yeah the fact that the "tan suit" and "dijon mustard on a hotdog" became multi-week controversies feels laughably quaint in this day and age where the president can just knock down entire portions of the White House on a whim
>>2883463There wonโt be midterms, thereโs gonna be a 9/11 style false flag used to cancel them and DJT will declare any and all opposition Iranian backed terrorism
>>2883277One argument I remember someone making about why Dems should win is because it forces libs to admit they won't fix anything. But blue cities/states already exist. I guess it would've been interesting if Kamala had to get up on stage and cackle when questioned about Iran.
>>2883463doubt it
>>2883465also doubt it
rethuglicans will just gerrymander their way to victory and call any election they lost a big fat hoax and hold it up in court for months. a lot easier than repeating the "magic" of 9/11
>>2883454>democraps would've never kidnapped maduro. you're out of you're goddamn mindclinton destroyed yugoslavia. everyone forgets. even blew up a bunch of chinese people in a chinese embassy for no reason. obama expanded bush's wars including drone strikes. kunduz hospital airstrike happened under obama. yemen genocide by saudi arabia with US bombs (very similar to the current gaza situation) happened under obama. operation cyclone was planned by zbigniew brzezinski under the carter administration even though it didn't happen until reagan. JFK did bay of pigs. why do people have amnesia about democrats?
>>2883469I think a lot of liberals would take the fact that they wouldnโt be tuned in to the latest outrage from Trump as โfixing thingsโ
>>2883474We already lived through that with Biden, itโs ash in the mouth
>>2883475I think what the Biden admin succeeded in was driving a permanent rift between the โprogressiveโ base of the Dems and the more centrist establishment. Iโm not denying that it moved a lot of people Left; but rather than โforcing Dems to admit they canโt fix anythingโ theyโll double down on how itโs all the progressives fault and things ARE fixed.
>>2883473republicucks invaded iraq *twice*, invaded afghanistan, invaded venezuela and is invading iran. you're actually insane if you think republicans are little babbies who are incompetent and docile. why do people have amnesia about republicucks?
>>2883490They are much more aggressive than demoshits, just in a much less calculated and more impulsive way.
Democrats are like a serial killer from movies, methodically planning their kills.
Republicans on the other hand are akin to someone that smashes a random passerby with a sledgehammer in the middle of the street in broad daylight.
Sometimes they can get away with shit like the Maduro operation but that has more to do with opponents being weak and/or incompetent.
>>2883490None of which would be possible without Genocide Joe whipping the Democrats in like, the same Genocide Joe who was explicitly endorsed by the CPUSA
All Americans are equally genocidal, the middle section Venn diagram is a circle, treating it like anything else is to service and whitewash one โsideโ or the other.
>>2883493I think calling democrats โcalculating like a serial killerโ is silly, Iโd say their foreign policy is much more inspired by splitting the difference and creating a layer of plausible deniability. Obamaโs drone war was his โcompromiseโ to Bushโs surge, for example.
It isnโt that itโs necessarily more โcalculatingโ but at the very least itโs hesitant.
I want trump to continue on his way to destroying america but i genuinely feel sad for the minorities that will suffer in the process :(
>>2883501Those minorities would skin you alive, not because theyโre minorities but because theyโre Americans
>>2883498democraps acquire that plausible deniability by only working with the international bourgeois in concert which is good or bad depending on the situation. republicucks are more willing to act unilaterally when american national bourgeois interests need to be prioritized at all costs to reputation or whatever
>>2883519Yeah it's this. Multilateralism vs. unilateralism as the IR types say.
Obama surged in Afghanistan but that was a NATO mission.
>>2883526Everyone already knew that Ziohran was just a labor zionist, backing ISIS and helping to overthrow the last bastion of dignity in the Middle East is par for the course
NYT:
>โComradelyโ Talks and a โDeer Leaderโ Mascot: Scenes From the D.S.A. Summit
>โCliff Connolly, a national leader from Orlando, said the D.S.A. fills the same social function for him that the Catholic Church played for his parents when they were in their 30s.โMaterialist analysis?
https://archive.ph/Q5fnX>>2883533>helping to overthrow the last bastion of dignity in the Middle East is par for the courseAssad never gave a fuck, he just inherited a state apparatus that he used to make money and fuck his people and then fled like a coward bitch when his foreign backers refused to bail him out for the last time.
The Median Voter is a Maoist
Seeking truth from facts
What the American voter wants is impossible. Social Security is on track to be insolvent by 2032. What should we do about it? We could increase taxes to pay for the benefits, but 80% of voters are against that. We could cut benefits to match the taxes we have, but 90% of voters are against it. We could move the retirement age back, but 74% of voters oppose it. We could borrow money to pay for it, but 76% of voters are against that too. This is not simply different samples at different time, because these all come from the same poll a couple months ago. Relatedly, the American voter thinks the government is spending too much, but should increase spending on every government program while simultaneously cutting taxation and shrinking the size of the government.
The best defense of the votersโ beliefs are that they think someone else can be made to pay for it. Itโs only a partial defense, because the things they scapegoat โ on the Left, the billionaires, on the Right, foreigners โ cannot pay for more than a pittance of what they want done. But even this is not an adequate explanation, because voters demand the impossible.
Consider Obamacare, which I wrote about at length last month. The Affordable Care Act banned charging higher prices to people with preexisting conditions. If you do this, however, sick people will select in and healthy people will select out. To have insurance exist at all, you need people to be compelled to purchase, rather than allow them to opt out when they are healthy and opt back in later when they are sick.
The ban on discriminating on preexisting conditions was extremely popular with the voters, and so we kept it. The requirement that you purchase health insurance was not, and so we zeroed it out in 2017. These policies are not something where you can get one but not the other โ they are the same policy, fundamentally inextricable. And yet, we did A which leads to B and simply say that it will lead to C.
I think the better explanation is that the median voter in America is a Maoist. They do not believe in tradeoffs. They believe that, if only everyone were good and honest and working toward the right goals, good things will happen. That politicians disagree with each other is simply a sign that they are corrupt. If the people are good and sincere, then we can simply do things and it will all work out okay.
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This sort of attitude once ruled China. I do not call the American voterโs ideology Maoist as simple namecalling. It is just literally true. Mao Zedongโs program was that it was only the ideological sincerity which was needed for success to come. This ideological sincerity had magical properties. Consider one of the Three Constantly Read Articles, โThe Foolish Old Man who Removed the Mountainsโ. There is a Chinese story about an old man who lived near the Taihang and Wangwu mountains. He wanted to travel, but the mountains lay in his way. So, he called his sons to him, and they began to dig up the mountains with hoes. A Wise Old Man comes and rebukes him for doing an impossible task, but the Foolish Old Man responds: โWhen I die, my sons will carry on; when they die, there will be my grandsons, and then their sons and grandsons, and so on to infinity. High as they are, the mountains cannot grow any higher and with every bit we dig, they will be that much lower. Why canโt we clear them away?โ And so he and his sons resume digging.
It is not the case, however, that he and his sons did indeed clear away the mountains. Instead, God was touched by his conviction, and sent down two angels who carried away the mountains. Mao suggests, then, that there are two mountains the Chinese people wish to dig up โ imperialism and feudalism โ and if they dig them up without rest, then they will touch Godโs heart and do the impossible. Mao is not so primitive as to suggest that a literal deity will come down and do it โ instead, โour God is none other than the masses of the Chinese peopleโ.
The great disaster of Maoism โ the Great Leap Forward, with its tens of millions starved โ came because Mao thought enthusiasm meant that constraints could be ignored, and that simply intending for something to happen was the same as doing what was necessary for it to happen.
Before the Great Leap Forward, state planning was run by Chen Yun, who was by all accounts a serious, soberminded individual. It was he who coined the phrase โcrossing the river by feeling the stonesโ; I disagree with communism as an economic system because I believe it to be inefficient, but there is also no doubt in my mind that competent administration set on achieving possible goals can indeed grow. Reading Chen Yunโs selected works (volume three can be found here), one is impressed by the focus on whether the means can achieve the ends. When he makes projections of future production quantities, they are not fanciful but possible (p. 208). To combat inflation caused by an excess of currency printing, he says that they must โstrive for a balance between revenue and expenditure, between credit receipts and paymentsโ and that โwe should not wait until next year to check inflationโ (p. 208). That the government is trying to solve inflation by opening more restaurants is ridiculous, and why communism is a failure at persistently raising living standards, but it is at least an attempt to do the possible with the feasible. Problems are not solved by enthusiasm, but by carefully exchanging evidence, comparing alternatives, and reconsidering matters (p. 194-5), allowing for the possibility that the methods may not lead to the results.
You do not see this in Mao. The peopleโs enthusiasm would suffice to dissolve constraints. What was his solution to nuclear warfare? โThe atom bomb is a paper tiger. โฆ the outcome of a war is decided by the people, not by one or two types of new weaponsโ. What was his solution to the shortage of steel? Melting down their woks and hoes for sulfurous ingots of pig iron. Mao would later concede that these ingots were worthless, but at the time he said that (reorganizing slightly) โon the foundation of the tremendous energy of the masses it is possible to accomplish any task whatsoeverโ. Nevermind what Chen Yun wrote to him (p. 147) in May of 1959, stating that โover 40% of the 9 million tons of iron โฆ contains sulfur in excess of 0.2 per centโ. How shall agriculture be improved? Here Mao is unusually specific, but his ideas are all wrong: to grow more, the people should simply plant more and plant deeper. On the basis of this, fanciful quotas were set. Maoโs method of projecting agricultural growth was to pull numbers out of a hat. Not setting quotas higher and higher became a confession of disbelief of the program, and the people starved because their food was requisitioned. When Peng Duhai submitted the mildest of criticisms, suggesting that local leaders were overstating production, he was purged. One of the striking details of the Great Leap Forward is that when cooking and food distribution was centralized โ it had to be, they had melted down all their cookware โ the first months were those of plenty. Production was going to increase, so food was free, and gorging yourself was an ideological statement. When the food ran out, that was that.
I mentioned that Mao does not often include details in his writing. His instructions are aphorisms โ not โdo thisโ, but โsee that this is doneโ. And of course, there is a great gap between what the appropriate things to do were, and what outcomes they would actually lead to. If things lead to disaster, they can be disavowed as being a misunderstanding, and not showing the fundamental wrongness of the program. Mao Zedong, at the Lushan conference of 1959, said โI do not claim to have invented the peopleโs communes, only to have proposed them. โฆ When I was in Shantung a reporter asked me: โAre the peopleโs communes good?โ I said: โThey are good,โ and he published it in a newspaper. There was a spot of petit-bourgeois fanaticism there, too. In the future reporters should keep away.โ
I must emphasize that the Lushan conference was not when Mao submitted self-criticism, Liu Shaoqi became the dominant figure in the government, and the Great Leap Forward stopped. That came later, at the Seven Thousand Cadres conference of 1962. The Lushan conference was when Mao purged Peng Duhai for mild criticisms of the feasibility of the Great Leap Forward. Chen Yun fell โsickโ, and absented himself from politics โ youโll note the table of contents has a gap from summer 1959 until 1961, when it became possible to describe the catastrophe that had occurred. (After it did, Chen Yun was willing to bend to empirical evidence โ see p. 177, on the advantages of individuals raising pigs, and p. 190, on the advantages of private plots).
Mao wanted the impossible done. Man cannot do impossible things. The cost of pretending otherwise is death.
The voter wants impossible things, too. I do not think the American people are going to starve themselves to death โ we are too far from the threshold of survival for that โ but the American people have set themselves on an inevitable conflict with reality. More and more of the economy is dedicated to parasitism on the public โ Social Security, Medicare, disability (both for the actually disabled, and for veterans), the department of defense. We seem to think that we can pay for it all with taxes on just our enemies. In practice, we have funded it all by pulling forward consumption from the future, and borrowing heavily. For a time this can be sustained, but the bill will come due.
I suspect, of course, that the voter has always wanted impossible things. What is remarkable is that we have long kept the demand for impossible things away from the actual conduct of the government. For many years, the budget was balanced, and entitlements were a small part of the budget.
I believe that what keeps government functioning are moral taboos as to what is right and proper for the government to do. When the government does not do something, it is a violation of the norm for the government to involve itself in it. This is simply a bias toward the status quo, not a consistent libertarianism โ once the government is involved in regulating something, you are a madman for thinking it could ever be safely provided without the government. Further, once a government program does exist, it failing is never evidence that it should be gotten rid of. The program does not fail, it is failed. It being inefficient simply means that it was โchronically underfundedโ, and needs โreinvestmentโ.
Youโll note how the defense of libertarianism is hardly ever expressed in the terms of utilitarianism. One does not persuade anyone by saying that there is decentralized information about peopleโs utility functions, and a price system is the only incentive compatible way to elicit it. Instead, the case for libertarianism is built upon natural law, and analogy. We have lower taxes because it isnโt right for someone to take the product of your work, not because taxes will move you along your labor supply curve and cause you to produce a socially inefficient level of labor.
This often leads us into errors. We may reject government programs which are beneficial, and over apply the wisdom of non-intervention. But we must weigh that against the basic errors that people fall into with a government program. If the amount of spending is zero, then the people cannot ask for spending to be doubled and taxes to be halved. Half and twice zero is still nothing.
Lastly, someone who purports to represent the people, and wants to bring the peopleโs will into office, is a dangerous character. The people wish to chew on the pretty foxgloves. A politicianโs job is to do what they think is best for the people, not to do what the people want. Let them vote for whoever they should choose, but you should not help them.
https://nicholasdecker.substack.com/p/the-median-voter-is-a-maoist>>2883556No one cares about your slopstack, bud
According to internal polling, Jack wilimos(king of pop and Marxism-Leninism) has a 66.6% favorability rating from likely voters. Higher than cooper or whatley. Is a PLA sweep possible? Yes, on November 3rd. Any other questions?
is that the famed thirdie-meltie poster ive heard of
>>2883572Yes. I gue55. Remember fuck Mao zedong(revisionist). Vote for Jack wilimos (PLA-NC) for u.s senate on November 3rd.
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>>2883490Leftists have a strong desire to rehabilitate reactionaries
Any bills people would like to see be made in the senate? Iโm all ears.
>>2883608unify the carolinas. we need your tax money
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>>2883599I bet that In and Out was crowded too. They usually are. At least the ones I've seen around me and this one was in a small town in Idaho so it's probably the most happening spot in the city.
>>2883614you would be correct, what's worse, that spot opened just last week. crazy how the casualties were so low
>>2883507But their have been a lot of far-right spree killers. Some of been likely Apolitical like Paddock. But there was the infamous Chudjak Patrick Crussius who drove hours a way to find the most Latino Walmart he could to stop the Latino invasion. There was Dylan Roof who shot up a Black church to launch a race war. There was also that fat polfag who jacked off to that cartoon dog who shot up a Black/Latino supermarket for the same reason. Then you also have the pro-bono cops like Kyle Rittenhouse who are also far-right. Then also those Proud Boys or whatever who were going around doing mace attacks on protesters.
>>2883507>>2883621But any ways, the guy doing apologetics for the right online:
>SRamirez68083Every fucking time.
>>2883609The self-determination of North Carolina is not negotiable. Though Jack wilimos will bring up the debate around reunification in the senate.
>>2883611Is this one of your articles? I know it says John Henry but that strikes me as a pseudonym since it is the same name as an American folk hero. It also vaguely reminds me of your style.
>>2883641
bro you are an LLM and the mods explained months ago that you and the "juche cult" guy use the same IP address. Do fucking better.
>>2883639Fuck Mao and Deng(revisionist scum)!
Fuck Roy cooper and Michael whatley(Zionist hitlerites)!
The king of pop Jack wilimos will hi55 at amer1can 1mper1al15ts 1n th3 hall5 of th3 s3nat3! Abolish income tax with a progressive land tax constitutional admendment. No trade with Israel ever!
>>2883535>Materialist analysis?Bukharin in the streets (base), Gramsci in the sheets (superstructure)
>>2883644Even funnier when called out was that he claimed it was "all part of the plan" and in fact some epic 4chan psyop that we totally fell for or something
I dunno what it is about this site that attracts so many schizos and bots desperate to push a narrative. There's this guy, Felix, wrongschizo, that guy who keeps ban evading to do pedophile apologia. It's a madhouse, etc
>>2883655I went to the website this PDF is named for and did not find the PDF in question
https://networkcontagion.us/this shit glows though and you sound like a fucking pig either way. maybe kill yourself. DPRK is based and has survived a lot of oppression like sanctions and getting bombed to the stone age. I side with them over war criminal larpers like you.
>>2883463>>2883470democraps will win with a small majority, calling it. this is also the biggest majority they will be able to retain from this point forward.
>>2883670lmao fucking retard, so i guess prices will get out of control soon
>>2883535Do you think NYT readers know the difference between berniecrats and marxism leninism?
Im not a burger, but is there a material explanation for this thread in particular being a constant target of schizos and psyops? It can only happen so many times until you start wondering if there is something bigger going on
>>2883684One of the busiest threads on the site.
>>2883684>>2883685>One of the busiest threads on the site.Yeah but more than that, I think because there are some of these motherfuckers who are just permanently butthurt about America and the best they can do to get back at America is troll some American leftists on a dead imageboard. Some of them like Chagos and etc. would even say about how Euro and Bongs are better/less imperialist, even though Diego Garcia is a British base.
Also some of them think they can rile up Americans into grabbing their AR-15 and starting a PPW against the US government. Never once seen anyone in any other thread talking about how everyone in that country needs to LAUNCH A PPW NAOW! Despite none of those countries being communist DotPs either.
>>2883689Also think a lot of this has to do with Trump being in office and his current Shenanigans always being in the headlines. Don't remember it being this bad under Biden.
>>2883691Akshually I should amend that the old troll from the tail end of Biden's term during the Trump campaign was about how Trump is communist and he increased real wages or some dumb shit like that. I think that was the infamous "wrong schizo."
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>>2883687
This is cringe, go be annoying somewhere else you faggot
>>2883682
>you must be asleep
>proceeds to describe the most unashamedly imperialist thing possible
the american hippie movement was largely a failure but one revolutionary thing it did do, one that has sadly been lost in modern iterations of american leftism, is the rejection of the traditional socioeconomic class/identity models and the development of an alternative and quite universal psychological model that divides the world simply into squares and freaks. it's not about wealth or skin color or gender or religion or party affiliation or any of that; it's just about your attitude, the way you look at things. under that model it becomes clear how phony these annoying tankies and technofascists and other neoreactionaries really are, how they are all obviously highly-indoctrinated with internalized authoritarian thinking and they are very obviously squares, poseur squares trying to pretend like they're not squares by playing dress up with their extremely thin cursory conceptions of various ideologies. they think that if they put on a russian hat with a red star on it and start regurgitating some slogans nobody will see through the disguise at the conformist square dullard underneath that never had an original or subversive idea in its whole square life.
>>2883687
Hey if you're really a fed why don't you arrest the assholes running the CSAM bots that keep posting to siberia
>>2883704You might be cooking but im not sure yet, care to elaborate?
>>2883705>Hey if you're really a fed why don't you arrest the assholes running the CSAM bots that keep posting to siberiayou fool… those are his coworkers!
>>2883704>nobody will see through the disguise at the conformist square dullard underneath that never had an original or subversive idea in its whole square life.does anybody though? any time anyone thinks their idea is new it turns out to be really old, and everyone mocks them. Nobody actually receives respect and told they're cool. Everyone grandstands and calls each other losers.
>>2883684we are the one country where revolution MVST NOT VNDER ANY CIRCVMSTANCES HAPPEN so we are targeted
>>2883684Not too familiar with overseas politics but I imagine that even the splits of Socialist Parties back then were maybe a little more orderly or organized, whereas America just exploded into a Schizophrenic mess of contradictory beliefs.
I heard there was a DSA faction who unironically wanted to emulate Militant Labour
>>2883729>Militant LabourWhat is that?
>>2883730https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_tendencytrots who infiltrated the british labour party in the 80s.
>>2883730https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militant_tendencyTrotskyist tailist organisation that was part of the Labour party until like the 90s, then it became the IMT of sex-cult fame, who are now the RCP which you might know from their cool poster designs and failure to do any real work.
I heard from a reliable source that some one the reformist DSA cauci was apparently saying that they should model themselves after Militant tendency which is such an insane thing to say for anyone who actually knows what Militant Tendency was.
>>2883737>bill haywood the only cool famous person from my hometown
>>2883732Libertarian and Liberation caucuses must merge to create the HOUDINI caucus, we will also accept Mountain and Groundwork
thank you for coming to my ted talk
>>2883670Queue libs becoming Exxon and Chevron #1 fans to be anti-Trump
>>2883736>then it became the IMT of sex-cult fame, who are now the RCP which you might know from their cool poster designs and failure to do any real work. I liked their old logo that looked like a KMFDM album cover before they renamed themselves to the RCP to cosplay as Maoists despite being Trots. They sent one of their guys to give a speech at a demo I was at once and he was so boring.
>>2883732>are you talking about RnR?Apparently so!
https://x.com/dsaRandR/status/2079664536836051290 >>288374270โs based leftcoms are quite the questionable bunch
>>2883767It's economism with extra pretension. I've lost count how many times I've seen, when 'push come to shove', the autonomists 'just so happen' to fall into the lap of the social-reformists (demsocs). And when they didn't do that they were repackaged bourgeois-liberal theory form their "new Marxism" (i.e. book deals). And when they didn't do that they facilitated "autonomous zones" / black market environments for drug dealers and "vanguard" (not that vanguard!) artists (CIA happy).
Question: can you w1n north carol1na ?
A: y3s! 1t 1s poss1ble, north carol1na y3arn5 for a tru3 alt3rnat1v3. Our anti-r3v1s1on1st party could win hard,bab3. Go ah3ad, prove otherw15e.
>>2883741>Majority<Strict Membership>Minority<Broad Membershipwill never stop making me laugh. lesson learned: never get huffy and stage a walkout, the minorities will just coup you and call themselves "majority" forever and make you look weak and stupid.
>>2883824 (me)
trump made the impossible: to make me sympathize with a fucking oil company, lmao.
>>2883826I don't even know why anyone would take a job to be a repo man. sounds like a good way to get shot
>>2883825>trump made the impossible: to make me sympathize with a fucking oil company, lmao.predicted earlier today:
>>2883750 >>2883829I guarantee you: he made his buckets doing market manipulation.
oil companies do a lot of money, because they never lose under the physical aspects of the oil markets, they own both the oil companies that extract, transport and trade oil AND the refinement and petroleum by-products wholesales stores:
if the oil it's expensive, the refineries and subproducts industries suffer, but that's compensated by the oil market profits.
if the oil is cheap, the oil industries suffer, but the refineries make a killing.
he is angry because oil industries made a buck?
he shouldn't be stirring up the oil supply.
and what is he gonna do? nationalize them?
LMAO >>2883824anyway, I'll dissect these:
>1 geniuslol no
>2 foresighthe can't even be awake
>3 strengthhe is rotting from inside out.
>4 stabilityGeorge Floyd nation-wide protests were under his presidency, lmao
>5 would be dead:it will be dead no matter what. the us doesn't have large reserves of oil. their oil fields can't sustain the current production for much longer.
and would never be dead with or without him.
>6 Chevron out of Venezuelait was him who forced Chevron to shut down operations in 2020.
>7 they are back biggerlol, no. before trump forced Chevron's shut down and started to sabotage the country with his 'in 1 month I'll solve the problem in Venezuela' presidential campaign banner back in 2016, the US companies were the largest operational services companies in the US. though Venezuela was selling to Rosneft and China, these were re-selling them back to the US, and the operations of oil extraction were highly sustained by US companies. these figures were for 2.8 million bpd.
>8 strongerthe current legal regime of the US makes companies like Conoco Phillips and Exxon to not like what they see in Venezuela. that, and because Chavismo laws are still working. they don't see themselves 'stronger', these oil companies made this clear.
>9 fortunefortune was what they were doing until 2016.
>10 for other oil companieslike 8, many oil companies don't see themselves participating in Venezuela.
there you go, 10 massive lies in less than 250 words.
>>2883833all he's doing is creating kayfabe like he's this populist dude against big oil and you're falling for it, as if he didn't just start yet another war for the oil cartels
>>2883839I am literally not failing for it. maybe the small maga retards that he still has.
>>2883836>>2883824a lie travels around the world while the truth is still getting its shoes on. the faster you can tell lies, the more work the people who tell the truth have to do. imagine a kid who goes around in kindergarten knocking over and smashing all the lego towers. A whole room of kids won't be able to rebuild them as fast as he destroys them.
the rob zombie of american socialism
>>2883841he might as well have a personal beef with Maduro? Maduro's too chad for his royal chudness?
Listen, Maduro was a member of something the 'Boston group', led by John Kerry and some other democrat progressive liberals.
trump hates that the democrats have ties with anyone outside the US, that's rubio's report basically states.
and as I said, the US oil companies were profiting. read carefully:
>7 they are back biggerlol, no. before trump forced Chevron's shut down and started to sabotage the country with his 'in 1 month I'll solve the problem in Venezuela' presidential campaign banner back in 2016, the US companies were the largest operational services companies in the US. though Venezuela was selling to Rosneft and China, these were re-selling them back to the US, and the operations of oil extraction were highly sustained by US companies. these figures were for 2.8 million bpd.
besides, by 2016 Chevron was doing over 200,000 bpd. what is it now? 280,000 bpd? after 6 years of doing
0 because of trump? I am sure these oil execs didn't push trump to do something that radically stupid.
I am more inclined to believe that trump had a personal beef with Maduro:
how dare Maduro to be taller than me? >>2883841>>2883845 (me)
also, let's not forget that Biden issued license of operations, that restored some production for Chevron, without kidnapping Maduro, so there you go.
PPW status?
>>2883727I find that the state of socialist parties outside of Burgeristan is even worse as a eastern euro.
>>2883833>he is angry because oil industries made a buck?Heโs likely angry because of how they made a buck, even if it is still his fault. Jacked up oil prices are not good for stability and established power. And he probably feels like heโs not getting enough of a cut either.
>>2883958dum dums interpreting the question to be about whether you like tariffs, which are now entirely synonymous with Trump and therefore icky bad.
>>2883958I would have to write an essay on 'American perceptions on free trade' to get to the bottom of that. my guts tell me this is closely explained or highly co-related to the definitions these people have about sanctions and "globalists".
>>2883965the simplest reason: trumps upset that he made oil porky boatloads of money while not helping him back by lowering prices at the pump before midterms. the internal polling must not look good. the bigger and more important question is, is oil porky not helping out because they're greedy or are they simply unable to because labor and capital costs are too expensive
>>2883970mostly the second. their earnings on the oil-sphere, barely compensate the huge losses refineries are facing, and since both things belong to the same corporations, they can't cut a deal with trumpedo and
go bankrupt stop buying 1 private jet per oil exec even after firing thousands of workers.
>>2883966This is it. People donโt like tariffs and are honestly perceiving a more โcommunisticโ version of free trade rather than the neoliberal one. Iโm not talking about โmixed economiesโ either here.
>>2883982Republican intelligentsia found dead in a ditch
DSA status? Have they become american bolsheviks yet or are they still radlibs?
>>2884017There is no material basis for Bolshevism anywhere in the world
>>2884032How? Theyโre winning the war, why would you overthrow the government that just won if youโre Iranian? After this the economy is going to grow thanks to sanctions relief and tolls in the strait. My impression (probably wrong) was the IRI always had a Keynsian social democratic outlook on economics in line with their anti monarchal islamist reading of the Quran and Hadiths, therefore theyโre going to empower the general public with investment, even if the plurality ends up with the national bourgeois.
>>2884043if overthrowing the government is what marxists want in iran, why are they not supporting americas invasion of it
>>2884055Yeah bro weโre gonna post so hard about it on LEFTYPOL DOT ORRRRRRG
>>2884069Maybe well even DAAAAANCE THE FASCISM AWAAAAAAAAY
>>2883704>the one revolutionary thing that hippies did was go around labeling everything as either cringe or basedincredible
>>2883826Bailiffs are the worst of the worst scum, they are part of the bourgeois's class defence force (which is mostly made up of the police but also plenty of less formal groups, rapist militias and death gangs etc.) and are among the most wicked enemies of the working class. They also have a colonialist mindset. I fucking despise bailiff scum who threaten you and try and break into your home (also they do a lot of male rape and then film it to shame men into paying). They are basically rabid hogs and the only thing you can really do with them is cull them.
>>2883834>a baby on the wayyou got someone pregnant? good lord. good luck with that big guy. I also have a kid but my life is in a lot more of a stable situation than yours. Those first 5 months after she gives birth are gonna wreck you, assuming you're actually around to help her and aren't in jail because of the K Bennet shit (no offense).
>>2884092>>2883834So he doesn't have a 19 year old girlfriend? Or did he knock her up?
>>2884092>in jail because of the K Bennet shitQRD?
>>2884104>Jimmy Dore>RFK Jr apologismCome on now
>>2884084i cant believe el-sayed's initials are literally "actually existing socialism" lol
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>>2884147
Bro really waited for the literal minute the tor node was unbanned just to shit up this thread. Jobless behavior
can't you just wordfilter him
>>2884145
Cool and based
Its insane how this thread cant be normal for more than half an hour.
>>2884145
post this once on meta, instead of spamming usapol and banning the node for the rest of us
>>2884158Erm it's called zerzetsung sweaty…
>>2884158banning the 'node is the point
you are all in a palantir database
>>2884172
coal
>>2884084Well, he is a landlord with Emirati characteristics
>>2884196
why are you people always so obsessed with trans people? it was weird when it was just half of you constantly sperging out over them, but there isn't a single rightoid nowadays who can go more than 5 seconds without seething over them
>>2884205Im obbssesed by them too. Because they are cute.
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