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>>2888939 herrenvolk
healthcare status?
>>2890658we speak american here, adolf
I swear to science if democratic """socialists"""" spent their time actually organizing revoluton and reading theory instead of fiddling around with eleKKKtions and reformiSSm they could do wonders.
>>2890659<The U.S. healthcare market was valued at $4.87 trillion in 2025 and is projected to reach $5.15 trillion in 2026. It is expected to grow at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 5.80% from 2026 to 2034.I'm sure they'll let you vote it away. :)
so how long until they just don't even bother to do food recalls?
>>2890663>organizing revolutionrevolution won't happen until the people want it, you can't organize a revolution into existence through words or deeds lmao
>>2890679how to know "the people" want it? a gallup poll? we have to get our best and brightest interns on this
>>2890673>>2890678hanoi hannah had to be effective. the amount of fragging was unhinged and macnamara ended up shipping in a million spergs and downies because anyone smarter would refuse patrols and contribute to the sabotage.
>>2890653>that's why i said maybe these guys will stab their officersThe reports say the violence erupted over the length of the deployment, poor living conditions, lack of food, and no basic facilities like laundry or bathrooms. If that's true then chances are they did go after their superiors rather than attack each other for no reason.
>>2890693>>2890673Hanoi Hannah was trying to intimidate and demoralize them on behalf of a state that was fighting a hot war against them. Not really the same as recruiting them into a domestic revolutionary party.
that navy stabbing story is propaganda in any case
>>2890674Probably by next year, when food shortages caused by all the disruptions this year really start to hit.
Hong would have won if she cut her Hair really short (at least a chin-length bob or preferably a pixie cut), start wearing pantsuits (Mao suit would be preferable but I know she can’t do that because she is a social democrat) instead of dresses, and started talking with a deeper voice in order to reject Bourgeois Femininity and the Reactionary Patriarchal Gender Binary and embrace Proletarian Masculinity in order to become more serious/electable, which is the same advice I would give AOC if I was the campaign manager for her 2028 Presidential Campaign, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️ 💇♀️👩🦲😍!
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>>2890679Surely supporting your favorite wholesome demsucc candidate will bring forth revolution.
>>2890720not zionist enough for their taste
>>2890720Think it's really a political "lane" thing, they don't usually endorse in governor's races. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but the theory is that governors are running to be state executives so "nationalizing" the race can hurt them with normies. Idk if that's really true but Abbott in Texas for example is doing much better in the polls compared to Paxton (even though Abbott engages in a lot of culture war slop).
>>2890734mike is right and so is your quoted greentext. yes palestinians cheer for the slightest amount of solidarity from americans as they are being genocided. doesn't mean the average shitty american isn't still hated for complacency. obviously the burger king girl who got fired wasnt complacent
>>2890734We live in a jewish run prison colony
>>2890696500 years and the yanks haven't had a (non-fascist) revolution yet. intimidating and demoralizing seppos is based.
>>2890746why are you discouraging solidarity among oppressed peoples by turning it into oppression olympics? are you perhaps…a zionist?
>>2890748>>2890749yes goy, i am a jew, ooga booga. gimme dat 4skin
>>2890749>why are you discouraging solidarity among oppressed peoplesbecause i am an evil zionist jew just as you have suggested, muahahahahha. i thought you would never find out but now you know and i must shut it down and so forth. i say all the words and look like all the soyjaks
>>2890747>500 years and the yanks haven't had a (non-fascist) revolution yet. intimidating and demoralizing seppos is based.the USA is only 250 years old and the US revolution was carried out by slave owning bourgeoisie but was not "fascism" since fascism didn't exist yet. if you want to shit on shityanks that's fine but at least try not to make your kind look completely historically illiterate while doing so. if you were referring to the english colonists before 1776 that is still not 500 years since the English didn't start colonizing North America until 1607, which is only 419 years ago.
>>2890749He always does this, and always posts the same image too. The most unsubtle crypto ever.
>>2890663hmmm my best friend and dsa affiliate ha$$an pikkker thinks otherwise
>>2890685the proli roli
the wagie swagy
the cuck choreo
>>2890471>but would be considered a center-right party in France.No it wouldn't. DSA is close to PS and even in LFI in some areas.
>>2890746That woman lost her job at Burger King for saying "Free Palestine" what do you suppose is going on here, smartass?
>>2890756i condemn the talmud now condemn hitler
>>2890759and that's not even how it works. political agendas depend on the political context, if you moved all those people to france, they would still be far left, they would just adopt the agenda of the far left in france. but they are in america so they have to adapt to the american context
a kid would understand this intuitively, it's only permanently online retards that think political parties can be defined in a spreadsheet
>>2890748>>2890749>>2890756>>2890760Americans have way more power to fight zionism and yet do less than hamas who have way less means of fighting back yet give their lives to do so. The left says "free palestine" while the right says "ZOG" and calls you a crypto jew for pointing any of this out. you aren't fooling anyone you massive faggot. I post that image because it makes you rightoids come out like the cockroaches you are. the left has always said free palestine since yasser arafat. the right has always said the hooknosed goblins from the synagogue of satan are forcing diversity and gay on everyone. there's a difference between you and free palestine and everyone can smell you from a mile away. you started pretending to care about palestine after 2023 because you realized it makes you look better. your god hitler supported zionism btw. go back to pol and suck my cock
>>2890766Yea even within America, DSA is getting shit by the media empires 24/7 like LFI. The unfortunate and cringe part of the DSA is the fact that they are Americans, not really coz of democratic socialism.
>>2890743Fair enough but I'd say that a riot on an aircraft carrier that kills 7 people is probably a sign that at least some of them are starting to wake up.
>>2890766>a kid would understand thismaybe because that's how a kid thinks about politics. the job is to just fit in with whatever the mainstream "left" "center" or "right" is in your country. maybe it's you who think political parties need to fit within a normal distribution defined by the ruling class, which is a lot closer to "spreadsheet" thinking. Maybe there needs to be a party whose job it is to be uncompromising and "move the needle" of public opinion even if it costs them elections and funding. if your job is to never scare the hoes and always tail the center, then all the bourgeoisie have to do is constrain the spectrum to what will never hurt them.
>>2890779>hitler is the cure for zionismi don't know how to tell you this but zionism is just hitlerism for jews
>>2890779hitler supported zionism while genociding slavs btw. the entire pretense of zionism is that ashkenazi jews dont belong in europe and should fuck off to the levant where they will serve as a "bulwark" for western civilization against the "asiatic hordes" this is literally how theodor herzl thought of zionism.
>>2890766This is just one massive cope for the sorry state of the ameriKKKan "left"
>>289076767 digits trvth bomba
>>2890779Great another jew using the holocaust to justify Israel
>>2890787bafflingly retarded or sarcasm
>>2890774>if your job is to never scare the hoes and always tail the center,Oh please, the day FOX and CNN stops whining and fear mongering about DSA is the day you can say that, no sooner.
>>2890788Posing in front of Auswitch is peak jewishness although it's all esthetic, religions are all the same rulling class psyop anyway
>>2890790>the day FOX and CNN stops whining and fear mongeringthat day will never come, dummy
>>2890792>I-I was just t-trollingYou are Epstein
honkoid status?
>>2890792>american fascists predictably get angry at >>2890746 for making fun of them while at the same time praising palestinians for their bravery>call him a crypto jew>start chimping out and saying the holocaust was justified>completely vindicate the anon who was making fun of them>fall back on "i was just trolling"go do another haavara agreement
>nazis escape to argentina
>argentina is now a zionist shithole run by ancaps
If you jump from the aircraft carrier they helicopter you home
>>2890793Yea and that is my point dumbass.
>>2890806>the mossad agents smearing anti-israel politics by false flagging as nazoids and signal boosting actual nazoids online are not shocked by nazoid contentyou don't say
>>2890754ok bro, they just depicted george washington as jupiter and used fasces and other occult symbols everywhere for no reason. they weren't genocidal settlers with ambitions towards being a new rome or anything like that. no way.
the french republic (which immediately devolved into authoritarian bonepartism) and the nazis were both inspired by movements in the genocidal american colonies.
you're the historically illiterate asshole, and a pedant.
>>2890809the fasces wasn't a fascist symbol until fascism existed. you didn't counter my point about the USA being only 250 years old. if you noticed I didn't say the US isn't reactionary or that Americans are largely a bunch of assholes I just think it's a really historically illiterate take to pretend like America is "fascist" for 500 years when America is only 250 years old and fascism as a political movement didn't even exist until the early 20th century. It's not pedantic. You are being really really stupid and I wouldn't want you mixing the correct takes with a bunch of historical illiteracy.
>>2890811>I didn't say the US isn't reactionary or that Americans are largely a bunch of assholes*aren't largely a bunch of assholes
>>2890809>the french republic (which immediately devolved into authoritarian bonepartism) and the nazis were both inspired by movements in the genocidal american colonies.nice subtle goalpost shift from "america is literally fascism for 500 years to"
"actually americans inspired a bunch of reactionaries" which nobody would deny
How have you sabotaged the American state today?
>>2890811>>2890813>the symbol of roman imperial authority wasn't a fascist symbol>you can't refer to protofascist regimes that became fascist as fascist because fascism is just a 20th century ideology created by benito ᴉuᴉlossnW that was defeated and not a tendency of mercantile empires that has manifested in subtly different ways across time, even before ᴉuᴉlossnWok bro. cool posts I guess. I don't see what you're achieving or the point you're making besides advancing pedantry but it's whatever.
>>2890809Hey retard, the fasces dates back all the way to the Romans and Etruscans and has historically (before the rise of fascism) been used to represent law and government.
Also, no one in America associates Washington with Jupiter or occultism or whatever the fuck you're going on about. It's ironic how Americans are considered to be the stupid ones, yet those same people lack any understanding of America or how it works.
Anyways, you're a fucking idiot. Marx also praised Lincoln, so cope and seethe.
>>2890815>america is literally 250 years older than it actually is, and it's pedantic to say otherwise>fascism isn't when you are fascist, it is when you are reactionary yes and wat tyler was maoist, gerrard winstanley was marxist. the ancient egyptian artisans who did the first labor strike were syndicalist
confusing proto-thing with thing is stupid any way you look at it. homo erectus is not homo sapien
>>2890817man I fatfingered my post because I meant to type 400 years, based on the british colonies which began in 1607, however, the slavery in the americas actually began in 1492 because there's accounts of columbus enslaving cunts in the americas right from the first voyage making 500 a perfectly good number for the argument and worldview I'm advancing.
so eat a dick nerd.
>>2890816> the fasces date back to the romansyeah exactly. the original corrupt bloated authoritarian slave empire. good inspo for yankeeland.
ameriglazers are slooooooow.
>>2890821I guess, but the point I'm making is that the american colonies have always been the way they are now: a racist authoritarian shithole built on slavery and genocide based on racial hierarchical politics.
fascism is the word we use for it now, it being coined in the 20th century doesn't mean I can't use it retrospectively, and without this one labored point you don't really have any argument.
>>2890823> the slavery in the americas actually began in 1492 because there's accounts of columbus enslaving cunts in the americas right from the first voyage making 500 a perfectly good number for the argument and worldview I'm advancing.
>so eat a dick nerd.so by america you meant the americas and by 500 years you actually meant 400 years and by fascism you meant slavery in the new world colonies and not the anti-communist movement started in the interwar period
>yeah exactly. the original corrupt bloated authoritarian slave empire. good inspo for yankeeland.wait i thought you were talking about the italian columbus who enslaved Taino for the Spanish…. but now you're back to talking about the country that started in 1776? pick a lane already.
>ameriglazers are slooooooow.nobody's glazing america you idiot. in fact i think america is dogshit and don't want someone who can't do basic math pretending to speak for me
>>2890825>I guess, but the point I'm making is that the american colonies have always been the way they are now: a racist authoritarian shithole built on slavery and genocide based on racial hierarchical politics.fascism is an anticommunist movement started in the interwar period not simply being racist authoritarian bad guys. all amanita are mushrooms but not all mushrooms are amanita.
>fascism is the word we use for it now, it being coined in the 20th century doesn't mean I can't use it retrospectively, and without this one labored point you don't really have any argument.fascism is an anti communist movement started in the interwar period. it is not simply when bad people do bad things. if fascism were simply when bad people do bad things then everything was always fascist forever going back to cavemen bonking each other on the head
>>2890802aren't they short on rations? they probably chop you up and serve you in the mess hall
>>2890829this but unironically
>>2890832why even have political words to describe specific movements and ideologies in a historical context if you just wanna do good vs. evil. let's all speak toki pona from now on
>>2890833i'm adding "disagreeing with me" to the list of things that are fascist
>>2890835sina wile ala toki pona tawa mi anu seme?
>>2890836taso sina toki sama pilin ;)
>>2890655fuck mao!
fuck deng!
fuck cooper!
fuck Whatley!
5 6 7 8, Jack wilimos is gonna tell you who your supposed to hate. h1s party w1ll f13ld cand1dat35 in oth3r 5tat35. do you want to l3arn mor3?
>>2890827>fascism is an anticommunist movementthat's exceptionally reductive, and doesn't account for present day fascism which manifests as a broad spectrum of demagoguery both in and outside of mainstream political movements and directed at all kinds of scapegoats.
>>2890828in historical materialist terms I supposed it was as good as could have been hoped for.
however we can critique the french republic for the many times it's devolved into authortarianism, in addition to this the republic has been a brutal colonial power: when you look at french atrocities in algeria, vietnam, and the sahel they're extensive and horrific.
really there have only been socialist revolutions AGAINST france. the french theorycels have to cope hard about this.
>>2890829if you model your republic on the romans then you will have a fascist republic. you want to talk about historical context: the american revolution happened when the british empire was trying to end the indian wars, and shortly after slavery was determined to be unlawful in english common law.
the yanks were fighting for more territory and to continue slavery. to this day these are the basis on which all seppo wealth and prosperity has been built.
>>2890843>present day fascismdoesn't exist
>>2890845do you want to expand on that statement?
I figure you're going to play the orthodox trot game (again) and just handwave contemporary examples as "neoliberal", but I've never seen that played as an opener and I want to see how it plays out reverse tempo.
>>2890846Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
>>2890849eugh, not "I made it up". that just goes nowhere and always ends in stalemate.
>>2890843>if you model your republic on the romans then you will have a fascist republic. you want to talk about historical context: the american revolution happened when the british empire was trying to end the indian wars, and shortly after slavery was determined to be unlawful in english common law.
>the yanks were fighting for more territory and to continue slavery. to this day these are the basis on which all seppo wealth and prosperity has been built.ok thank you, fascism is when bad communism is when good. got it. no historical context or class struggle required
>>2890829Change "fascism" to "Leviathanic" and you're right (thanks Fredy Perlman!)
>>2890849was it revealed to you in a shamanic vision?
Q: Is obl1que strategies th3 n3xt stag3 of pol1t1cal act1on?
A:I, Jack w1l1mo5, th3 k1ng of pop say that 1t ha5 work3d w3ll for our campa19n so far.
>>2890832>fascism is when bad communism is when goodyeah pretty much.
what were the founding principles of the american republic?
<protection of a privileged, opulent, and racially pure ruling class<perpetuating racial supremacy<removing/bypassing any limits on trade, capital, or economic growth<suppression of labor rights including slavery<seizing as much territory as possible<engineering the destruction of the population of this territoryif this was happening today (it is), this would be called fascism (it is), and the only people defending it would have to either outright deny facts (they are), or abuse object ontology and quibble definitions to defend it (you are).
>>2890853there's probably some stuff in anprim theory that would be useful for addressing the climate catastrophe, I just wish all the anprims I knew weren't crusties: there's got to be a way to do it that lets you live with some dignity and not end up in the hospital after eating from the wrong bin or aspirating birdshit sleeping in a bando.
hong just won by 12 votes wtf
African Americans are the revolutionary subjecf in the US, there’s a reason the Black Panther Party was the most important left-wing movement in the country.
>>2890862got a link? everyone called it for crowley and are reporting he won on a 5 point lead.
>>2890862many people are saying big if true
>>2890865>couple of shootouts with cops, a street kitchen, and an aestheticThey’re absolutely nothing compared to anywhere in South America and shouldn’t be taken either seriously or as a model
>>2890871anon said
>in the us >>2890879You need to accept there is no model in the US and you’re literally starting from scratch, you have to look at other movements around the globe in whole and pick and choose and try tactics, stop what doesn’t work, continue with what does.
>>2890883>you need to acceptno i don't
i was telling you what anon said
>>2890884Yes you do, you aren’t doing any kind of sober analysis otherwise
>>2890887you are confused. read the convo.
>>2890888It doesn’t matter who “the best movement” was in a country where movements peter out and die, you have to look for success, and if you have to do it outside of your particular context, you do so.
>>2890890where did i say otherwise
>>2890891Show me where you didn't.
>>2890891You said
>no I don’t When I said no US based organization is an adequate template, which means you believe they are
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