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>>2888939 herrenvolk
healthcare status?
>>2890658we speak american here, adolf
I swear to science if democratic """socialists"""" spent their time actually organizing revoluton and reading theory instead of fiddling around with eleKKKtions and reformiSSm they could do wonders.
>>2890659<The U.S. healthcare market was valued at $4.87 trillion in 2025 and is projected to reach $5.15 trillion in 2026. It is expected to grow at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 5.80% from 2026 to 2034.I'm sure they'll let you vote it away. :)
so how long until they just don't even bother to do food recalls?
>>2890663>organizing revolutionrevolution won't happen until the people want it, you can't organize a revolution into existence through words or deeds lmao
>>2890679how to know "the people" want it? a gallup poll? we have to get our best and brightest interns on this
>>2890673>>2890678hanoi hannah had to be effective. the amount of fragging was unhinged and macnamara ended up shipping in a million spergs and downies because anyone smarter would refuse patrols and contribute to the sabotage.
>>2890653>that's why i said maybe these guys will stab their officersThe reports say the violence erupted over the length of the deployment, poor living conditions, lack of food, and no basic facilities like laundry or bathrooms. If that's true then chances are they did go after their superiors rather than attack each other for no reason.
>>2890693>>2890673Hanoi Hannah was trying to intimidate and demoralize them on behalf of a state that was fighting a hot war against them. Not really the same as recruiting them into a domestic revolutionary party.
that navy stabbing story is propaganda in any case
>>2890674Probably by next year, when food shortages caused by all the disruptions this year really start to hit.
Hong would have won if she cut her Hair really short (at least a chin-length bob or preferably a pixie cut), start wearing pantsuits (Mao suit would be preferable but I know she canโt do that because she is a social democrat) instead of dresses, and started talking with a deeper voice in order to reject Bourgeois Femininity and the Reactionary Patriarchal Gender Binary and embrace Proletarian Masculinity in order to become more serious/electable, which is the same advice I would give AOC if I was the campaign manager for her 2028 Presidential Campaign, โ๐๐จ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ต๐จ๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐โข๏ธ ๐โโ๏ธ๐ฉโ๐ฆฒ๐!
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>>2890679Surely supporting your favorite wholesome demsucc candidate will bring forth revolution.
>>2890720not zionist enough for their taste
>>2890720Think it's really a political "lane" thing, they don't usually endorse in governor's races. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but the theory is that governors are running to be state executives so "nationalizing" the race can hurt them with normies. Idk if that's really true but Abbott in Texas for example is doing much better in the polls compared to Paxton (even though Abbott engages in a lot of culture war slop).
>>2890734mike is right and so is your quoted greentext. yes palestinians cheer for the slightest amount of solidarity from americans as they are being genocided. doesn't mean the average shitty american isn't still hated for complacency. obviously the burger king girl who got fired wasnt complacent
>>2890696500 years and the yanks haven't had a (non-fascist) revolution yet. intimidating and demoralizing seppos is based.
>>2890746why are you discouraging solidarity among oppressed peoples by turning it into oppression olympics? are you perhaps…a zionist?
>>2890748>>2890749yes goy, i am a jew, ooga booga. gimme dat 4skin
>>2890749>why are you discouraging solidarity among oppressed peoplesbecause i am an evil zionist jew just as you have suggested, muahahahahha. i thought you would never find out but now you know and i must shut it down and so forth. i say all the words and look like all the soyjaks
>>2890747>500 years and the yanks haven't had a (non-fascist) revolution yet. intimidating and demoralizing seppos is based.the USA is only 250 years old and the US revolution was carried out by slave owning bourgeoisie but was not "fascism" since fascism didn't exist yet. if you want to shit on shityanks that's fine but at least try not to make your kind look completely historically illiterate while doing so. if you were referring to the english colonists before 1776 that is still not 500 years since the English didn't start colonizing North America until 1607, which is only 419 years ago.
>>2890663hmmm my best friend and dsa affiliate ha$$an pikkker thinks otherwise
>>2890685the proli roli
the wagie swagy
the cuck choreo
>>2890471>but would be considered a center-right party in France.No it wouldn't. DSA is close to PS and even in LFI in some areas.
>>2890756
i condemn the talmud now condemn hitler
>>2890759and that's not even how it works. political agendas depend on the political context, if you moved all those people to france, they would still be far left, they would just adopt the agenda of the far left in france. but they are in america so they have to adapt to the american context
a kid would understand this intuitively, it's only permanently online retards that think political parties can be defined in a spreadsheet
>>2890748>>2890749>>2890756>>2890760Americans have way more power to fight zionism and yet do less than hamas who have way less means of fighting back yet give their lives to do so. The left says "free palestine" while the right says "ZOG" and calls you a crypto jew for pointing any of this out. you aren't fooling anyone you massive faggot. I post that image because it makes you rightoids come out like the cockroaches you are. the left has always said free palestine since yasser arafat. the right has always said the hooknosed goblins from the synagogue of satan are forcing diversity and gay on everyone. there's a difference between you and free palestine and everyone can smell you from a mile away. you started pretending to care about palestine after 2023 because you realized it makes you look better. your god hitler supported zionism btw. go back to pol and suck my cock
>>2890766Yea even within America, DSA is getting shit by the media empires 24/7 like LFI. The unfortunate and cringe part of the DSA is the fact that they are Americans, not really coz of democratic socialism.
>>2890743Fair enough but I'd say that a riot on an aircraft carrier that kills 7 people is probably a sign that at least some of them are starting to wake up.
>>2890766>a kid would understand thismaybe because that's how a kid thinks about politics. the job is to just fit in with whatever the mainstream "left" "center" or "right" is in your country. maybe it's you who think political parties need to fit within a normal distribution defined by the ruling class, which is a lot closer to "spreadsheet" thinking. Maybe there needs to be a party whose job it is to be uncompromising and "move the needle" of public opinion even if it costs them elections and funding. if your job is to never scare the hoes and always tail the center, then all the bourgeoisie have to do is constrain the spectrum to what will never hurt them.
>>2890779>hitler is the cure for zionismi don't know how to tell you this but zionism is just hitlerism for jews
>>2890779hitler supported zionism while genociding slavs btw. the entire pretense of zionism is that ashkenazi jews dont belong in europe and should fuck off to the levant where they will serve as a "bulwark" for western civilization against the "asiatic hordes" this is literally how theodor herzl thought of zionism.
>>2890766This is just one massive cope for the sorry state of the ameriKKKan "left"
>>289076767 digits trvth bomba
>>2890779Great another jew using the holocaust to justify Israel
>>2890787bafflingly retarded or sarcasm
>>2890774>if your job is to never scare the hoes and always tail the center,Oh please, the day FOX and CNN stops whining and fear mongering about DSA is the day you can say that, no sooner.
>>2890788Posing in front of Auswitch is peak jewishness although it's all esthetic, religions are all the same rulling class psyop anyway
>>2890790>the day FOX and CNN stops whining and fear mongeringthat day will never come, dummy
>>2890792>I-I was just t-trollingYou are Epstein
honkoid status?
>>2890792>american fascists predictably get angry at >>2890746 for making fun of them while at the same time praising palestinians for their bravery>call him a crypto jew>start chimping out and saying the holocaust was justified>completely vindicate the anon who was making fun of them>fall back on "i was just trolling"go do another haavara agreement
>nazis escape to argentina
>argentina is now a zionist shithole run by ancaps
If you jump from the aircraft carrier they helicopter you home
>>2890793Yea and that is my point dumbass.
>>2890806>the mossad agents smearing anti-israel politics by false flagging as nazoids and signal boosting actual nazoids online are not shocked by nazoid contentyou don't say
>>2890754ok bro, they just depicted george washington as jupiter and used fasces and other occult symbols everywhere for no reason. they weren't genocidal settlers with ambitions towards being a new rome or anything like that. no way.
the french republic (which immediately devolved into authoritarian bonepartism) and the nazis were both inspired by movements in the genocidal american colonies.
you're the historically illiterate asshole, and a pedant.
>>2890809the fasces wasn't a fascist symbol until fascism existed. you didn't counter my point about the USA being only 250 years old. if you noticed I didn't say the US isn't reactionary or that Americans are largely a bunch of assholes I just think it's a really historically illiterate take to pretend like America is "fascist" for 500 years when America is only 250 years old and fascism as a political movement didn't even exist until the early 20th century. It's not pedantic. You are being really really stupid and I wouldn't want you mixing the correct takes with a bunch of historical illiteracy.
>>2890811>I didn't say the US isn't reactionary or that Americans are largely a bunch of assholes*aren't largely a bunch of assholes
>>2890809>the french republic (which immediately devolved into authoritarian bonepartism) and the nazis were both inspired by movements in the genocidal american colonies.nice subtle goalpost shift from "america is literally fascism for 500 years to"
"actually americans inspired a bunch of reactionaries" which nobody would deny
How have you sabotaged the American state today?
>>2890811>>2890813>the symbol of roman imperial authority wasn't a fascist symbol>you can't refer to protofascist regimes that became fascist as fascist because fascism is just a 20th century ideology created by benito แดuแดlossnW that was defeated and not a tendency of mercantile empires that has manifested in subtly different ways across time, even before แดuแดlossnWok bro. cool posts I guess. I don't see what you're achieving or the point you're making besides advancing pedantry but it's whatever.
>>2890809Hey retard, the fasces dates back all the way to the Romans and Etruscans and has historically (before the rise of fascism) been used to represent law and government.
Also, no one in America associates Washington with Jupiter or occultism or whatever the fuck you're going on about. It's ironic how Americans are considered to be the stupid ones, yet those same people lack any understanding of America or how it works.
Anyways, you're a fucking idiot. Marx also praised Lincoln, so cope and seethe.
>>2890815>america is literally 250 years older than it actually is, and it's pedantic to say otherwise>fascism isn't when you are fascist, it is when you are reactionary yes and wat tyler was maoist, gerrard winstanley was marxist. the ancient egyptian artisans who did the first labor strike were syndicalist
confusing proto-thing with thing is stupid any way you look at it. homo erectus is not homo sapien
>>2890817man I fatfingered my post because I meant to type 400 years, based on the british colonies which began in 1607, however, the slavery in the americas actually began in 1492 because there's accounts of columbus enslaving cunts in the americas right from the first voyage making 500 a perfectly good number for the argument and worldview I'm advancing.
so eat a dick nerd.
>>2890816> the fasces date back to the romansyeah exactly. the original corrupt bloated authoritarian slave empire. good inspo for yankeeland.
ameriglazers are slooooooow.
>>2890821I guess, but the point I'm making is that the american colonies have always been the way they are now: a racist authoritarian shithole built on slavery and genocide based on racial hierarchical politics.
fascism is the word we use for it now, it being coined in the 20th century doesn't mean I can't use it retrospectively, and without this one labored point you don't really have any argument.
>>2890823> the slavery in the americas actually began in 1492 because there's accounts of columbus enslaving cunts in the americas right from the first voyage making 500 a perfectly good number for the argument and worldview I'm advancing.
>so eat a dick nerd.so by america you meant the americas and by 500 years you actually meant 400 years and by fascism you meant slavery in the new world colonies and not the anti-communist movement started in the interwar period
>yeah exactly. the original corrupt bloated authoritarian slave empire. good inspo for yankeeland.wait i thought you were talking about the italian columbus who enslaved Taino for the Spanishโฆ. but now you're back to talking about the country that started in 1776? pick a lane already.
>ameriglazers are slooooooow.nobody's glazing america you idiot. in fact i think america is dogshit and don't want someone who can't do basic math pretending to speak for me
>>2890825>I guess, but the point I'm making is that the american colonies have always been the way they are now: a racist authoritarian shithole built on slavery and genocide based on racial hierarchical politics.fascism is an anticommunist movement started in the interwar period not simply being racist authoritarian bad guys. all amanita are mushrooms but not all mushrooms are amanita.
>fascism is the word we use for it now, it being coined in the 20th century doesn't mean I can't use it retrospectively, and without this one labored point you don't really have any argument.fascism is an anti communist movement started in the interwar period. it is not simply when bad people do bad things. if fascism were simply when bad people do bad things then everything was always fascist forever going back to cavemen bonking each other on the head
>>2890802aren't they short on rations? they probably chop you up and serve you in the mess hall
>>2890829this but unironically
>>2890832why even have political words to describe specific movements and ideologies in a historical context if you just wanna do good vs. evil. let's all speak toki pona from now on
>>2890833i'm adding "disagreeing with me" to the list of things that are fascist
>>2890835sina wile ala toki pona tawa mi anu seme?
>>2890836taso sina toki sama pilin ;)
>>2890655fuck mao!
fuck deng!
fuck cooper!
fuck Whatley!
5 6 7 8, Jack wilimos is gonna tell you who your supposed to hate. h1s party w1ll f13ld cand1dat35 in oth3r 5tat35. do you want to l3arn mor3?
>>2890827>fascism is an anticommunist movementthat's exceptionally reductive, and doesn't account for present day fascism which manifests as a broad spectrum of demagoguery both in and outside of mainstream political movements and directed at all kinds of scapegoats.
>>2890828in historical materialist terms I supposed it was as good as could have been hoped for.
however we can critique the french republic for the many times it's devolved into authortarianism, in addition to this the republic has been a brutal colonial power: when you look at french atrocities in algeria, vietnam, and the sahel they're extensive and horrific.
really there have only been socialist revolutions AGAINST france. the french theorycels have to cope hard about this.
>>2890829if you model your republic on the romans then you will have a fascist republic. you want to talk about historical context: the american revolution happened when the british empire was trying to end the indian wars, and shortly after slavery was determined to be unlawful in english common law.
the yanks were fighting for more territory and to continue slavery. to this day these are the basis on which all seppo wealth and prosperity has been built.
>>2890843>present day fascismdoesn't exist
>>2890845do you want to expand on that statement?
I figure you're going to play the orthodox trot game (again) and just handwave contemporary examples as "neoliberal", but I've never seen that played as an opener and I want to see how it plays out reverse tempo.
>>2890846Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.
>>2890849eugh, not "I made it up". that just goes nowhere and always ends in stalemate.
>>2890843>if you model your republic on the romans then you will have a fascist republic. you want to talk about historical context: the american revolution happened when the british empire was trying to end the indian wars, and shortly after slavery was determined to be unlawful in english common law.
>the yanks were fighting for more territory and to continue slavery. to this day these are the basis on which all seppo wealth and prosperity has been built.ok thank you, fascism is when bad communism is when good. got it. no historical context or class struggle required
>>2890829Change "fascism" to "Leviathanic" and you're right (thanks Fredy Perlman!)
>>2890849was it revealed to you in a shamanic vision?
Q: Is obl1que strategies th3 n3xt stag3 of pol1t1cal act1on?
A:I, Jack w1l1mo5, th3 k1ng of pop say that 1t ha5 work3d w3ll for our campa19n so far.
>>2890832>fascism is when bad communism is when goodyeah pretty much.
what were the founding principles of the american republic?
<protection of a privileged, opulent, and racially pure ruling class<perpetuating racial supremacy<removing/bypassing any limits on trade, capital, or economic growth<suppression of labor rights including slavery<seizing as much territory as possible<engineering the destruction of the population of this territoryif this was happening today (it is), this would be called fascism (it is), and the only people defending it would have to either outright deny facts (they are), or abuse object ontology and quibble definitions to defend it (you are).
>>2890853there's probably some stuff in anprim theory that would be useful for addressing the climate catastrophe, I just wish all the anprims I knew weren't crusties: there's got to be a way to do it that lets you live with some dignity and not end up in the hospital after eating from the wrong bin or aspirating birdshit sleeping in a bando.
hong just won by 12 votes wtf
African Americans are the revolutionary subjecf in the US, thereโs a reason the Black Panther Party was the most important left-wing movement in the country.
>>2890862got a link? everyone called it for crowley and are reporting he won on a 5 point lead.
>>2890862many people are saying big if true
>>2890865>couple of shootouts with cops, a street kitchen, and an aestheticTheyโre absolutely nothing compared to anywhere in South America and shouldnโt be taken either seriously or as a model
>>2890871anon said
>in the us >>2890879You need to accept there is no model in the US and youโre literally starting from scratch, you have to look at other movements around the globe in whole and pick and choose and try tactics, stop what doesnโt work, continue with what does.
>>2890883>you need to acceptno i don't
i was telling you what anon said
>>2890884Yes you do, you arenโt doing any kind of sober analysis otherwise
>>2890887you are confused. read the convo.
>>2890888It doesnโt matter who โthe best movementโ was in a country where movements peter out and die, you have to look for success, and if you have to do it outside of your particular context, you do so.
>>2890890where did i say otherwise
>>2890891Show me where you didn't.
>>2890891You said
>no I donโt When I said no US based organization is an adequate template, which means you believe they are
The data centers are going that are supposed to bring mass digital surveillance are going to knock out the electricity needed for such surveillance.
>>2890907Itโs a matter of pancakes being wholly irrelevant and incapable of doing their supposed job
So, any endorsements?
>>2890926
I donโt see the problem
>>2890929
Good I need a new coke plug, going towards a good cause is a bonus
>>2890930
The DPRK fully support Iran and Hamas
Welcome to neoliberalism course:
>The U.S. Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) issued a final rule permanently removing the requirement for U.S. companies to report beneficial ownership information, effectively shutting down the nation's shell company registry.>Anti-corruption experts, including Casey Michel of the Center for International Policy, lambasted the move, calling the original registry the "single-greatest anti-corruption step the U.S. had taken in decades". Critics argue that dismantling it acts as a "pro-corruption step" because it allows anonymous shell companies to be used by foreign kleptocrats and ultra-wealthy individuals to conceal illicit funds and shield assets from public accountability.>The administration presented the reversal as a measure to stimulate economic growth by cutting red tape. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent defended the decision, stating that the reporting requirements were overly burdensome, complex "red tape" that placed unfair administrative and financial strain on small business owners.(yes, because no one thinks more about small business owners than the us regime!)
https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/trump-pro-corruption/>>2890945So virtually all white collar crime is just legal
>>2890947
the DPRK is not sectarian when it comes to people outside its borders, itโs not the Soviet Union, it doesnโt expect you to adhere to some wholistic and coherent line and thatโs directly its strength. Juche survived the broader socialist collapse precisely because of this flexibility.
>>2890952
You mean the captured leftist institutions and the state that have been hostile to the DPRK from the get go? Why would they care about some doctrinal dispute when theyโre under siege and both them and the amerikkkan jucheists ultimately share an enemy.
given that the usa is deindustrialized how would a north south civil war go in the usa today? would the north still win?
>>2890956It wouldnโt be north vs south or even red states vs blue states, it would be every major city in every state against every rural county, thatโs the real division.
>>2890958
Why do you care?
The USA is a fascist state.
>>2890966
>juche gang scammed a liberal and stole his gf, his car, and his virginity
damn they sound based how do i join?
>>2890585>have never drawn that distinction either during or after WW1Because the professionalization of the army wasn't as widespread. And it makes a difference whether the Estonian army consists of 3k volunteers ready to kill pillage and rape Russians or out of 30k mobiks that just want to go back to their home and grill. The 3k are never going to become communists. Out of the 30k, a good chunk might. See the difference? Different material conditions means also different theory you dumb bookish nerd. Muh comintern. Get a fucking grip, the thing doesn't exist for almost a 100 years a this point. Accidentally posted this in old thread.
Like, the SS minority units were professional-volunteer armies. Should've the bolsheviks agitated among them as well? Or should they've shot them?
>>2891013
you're telling me juche chads didn't just crack your girl they cracked you too? how many missiles does kim jong have?
>>2890655When it comes to Trump presidency and his foreign policy I guess its safe to say that all of USA allies hate Trump and all of USA enemies love him (maybe not Iran but even they are dominating the war).
>>2890926>>2890927>>2890928>>2890929>>2890930>>2890941>>2890942>>2890947>>2890950>>2890952>>2890953>>2890955>>2890958>>2890966>>2890981>>2890982>>2890989>>2890990>>2890991Oh joy more Schizo AI generated nonsense by the "juche-schizo". Mods can you ban this guy already?
>>2891030good riddance looks like he got taken to the cleaners
>>2891011The Waffen SS was the Nazi party militia, not a national army.
>>2891010>Because the professionalization of the army wasn't as widespreadYes it was. In the interwar period most countries demobilized and returned to becoming all volunteer professional armies. The Comintern still made agitation in these (like the Reichswehr) a mandatory part of their program. A party with your outlook wouldn't have even been allowed into the international.
>Muh comintern. Get a fucking grip, the thing doesn't exist for almost a 100 years a this point.Yeah but there is no fundamental difference between a volunteer soldier in 1926 or 2026. The fact is that most people in the military aren't making careers out of it, but are just passing through after one or two contracts.
>>2890843>however we can critique the french republic for the many times it's devolved into authortarianism"Authoritarianism" doesn't really exist. There is only the rule of one class or another, and France was one of the countries that pioneered the overthrow of the aristocracy by the bourgeoisie, paving the way for the proletariat and socialism.
>in addition to this the republic has been a brutal colonial power: when you look at french atrocities in algeria, vietnam, and the sahel they're extensive and horrificNone of that had happened at the time.
>really there have only been socialist revolutions AGAINST franceCompletely irrelevant to the historical significance of the French Revolution. There can be no socialist revolution without a bourgeois revolution, and so there is no Vietnamese revolution (or Russian, Chinese, Cuban, etc) without the French revolution.
>>2891042The colonization of algeria also properly started under the bourbon restoration after the napoleonic wars, but I will admit there was no change in colonial policies between them, the july monarchy, the second republic, and the second empire (and still continued later). There was a deeply intrenched colonial lobby completely separate from changes in governance.
i've been thinking about this modern trend of us politicians refusing to concede and crying foul when they lose elections, and it seems like the media always make the assumption that these guys know that they lost and are denying the results as a deliberate strategy, calling it "the big lie" and whatnot. nobody ever seems to acknowledge the possibility that it's not a lie at all, that they genuinely believe that they won the election and that everyone loves them and it is impossible that they could ever lose, because they are utterly insane. mainstream american society doesn't like to think about insanity and the fragility of the human psyche, it scares them and makes them very uncomfortable for some reason. i suspect it's because mainstream american society is currently in the midst of a narcissism epidemic that is getting worse and worse every day and if they acknowledge the proliferation of insanity in their political leaders then they have to acknowledge it in themselves as well, make light of the fact that it's not just a few isolated incidents but an entire society losing its grip on reality.
>>2891039>In the interwar period most countries demobilized and returned to becoming all volunteer professional armies.this is simply not true
>>2891047Yes it is, most countries demobilized and sent the vast majority of their conscripts home, if not getting rid of them altogether (like Britain and its dominions plus the US). Some countries (like Germany) weren't even allowed to have conscripts at all.
>>2891049No it's not. Italy kept a standing army, so did France and all of the other smaller European countries that came once the eagles fell
>>2891050A standing army is just a permanent force rather than one you always keep at the ready instead of only putting it together in wartime. It can be composed of volunteers or conscripts. Also, that doesn't contradict anything I said. I said that the numbers of conscripts dropped dramatically everywhere, and that in *some* countries (mainly America, Germany, and the British Commonwealth, not the ones you mentioned) they disappeared altogether.
>>2890808one negative consequence of every corrupt government in the world saying "HEIL NETANYAHU, ISRAEL UBER ALLES" every week while the jewish state is bombing newborns is the proliferation of retards who really think the problem is not capitalism but jews.
but you'd think that if jews really did control the world, all of this wouldn't blow up in israel's face like this >Desperate Texts From USS Abraham Lincoln Sailors Reveal Theyโre Served Rotten Food: โNavy Does Not Careโ
POTEMKIN MOMENT IMMINENT
>>2891078Canโt wait to watch Battleship Lincoln in 30 years
>>2890940>Unlike in many North Carolina communities, electricity in Rocky Mount is supplied by a city-owned utility. The utility, which handles water, gas and trash as well as power, already charges higher prices than other utility service providers. It's unfortunate private utility companies can offer cheaper electricity
>>2891078Note that theyโre upset and beginning to revolt not because they have any problems with murdering brown people, but because their lack of expected living conditions prevents them from doing so effectively. The moment the Dems turn the treat supply back on theyโll go back to being murderous bastards
>>2891084dumb. uyghas love wasting time all day writing about inconsequential cultural dynamics
>>2891084Did newgene write the last three paragraphs? Kicking your kids out at 18 never to return is only 'normal' in a small part of the world. WASP brained post.
>>2891084>downwardly mobilethe phrase you're looking for is 'class traitor'
>>2891078you could do alot better than potemkin. sail that stinking tin can to the israeli coast and you could shell their whole racist country with impugnity.
<your government don't care about you GI. you're going to be stuck on that boat until you die GI. the only thing your superior officers care about is israel. what happened to all the food GI? do you think they're going to pay you? wake up GI. >>2891095Which will never happen because Americans especially their Soldaten worship Israel and the Chosenites as the will of their god incarnate
>>2891087>Note that the Kiel sailors aren't revolting because they oppose imperialist war, but because they're lack of expected living conditions prevents them from fighting it effectively. The moment the Kaiser turns the treat supply back on they'll go back to being murderous bastards.I hope you know how ridiculous you sound.
long covid status?
>>2891105There were communists on Kiel. There are no communists on the SS Abrascam Shittin.
>>2891110Probably because so many modern "communists" don't wanna agitate in the military on account of soldiers being morally impure.
>>2891109they are busting out the government like the mob. they want to ensure that it can only do things with the consent (and money) of the private sphere, all capacity of the state being made possible with private actors and with no ability to afford clawing any of that back. if it is wielded against private money they can withdraw that support and it will be weak and collapsing under its debt, they can effectively veto a president and make them a failure without any laws needing to be changed like flipping a switch.
>>2891113Or maybe it's because class consciousness requires first a consciousness of a common enemy (the imperialists) which the labor-aristocracy and imperialist blood-hounds (which the US military really is) will never see as their enemy. Most they'll manage to do is blame a shadow minority. And you want to agitate in the army? Please, with what fucking people? It's like, you pretend to be materialist and call upon Lenin and the comintern every other minute, but then you ignore the reality that the army has mechanism to quickly filter out communists, and no communist is going to go bomb children in Iran with the army, and no one on the ship has any kind of communist ideas. So, where is this supposed agitation supposed to happen? Best case scenario, they kill the commander. So what? Another comes, they get disciplined, and the machine continues.
>>2891046they can't acknowledge the insanity because liberals also went insane after 2016 and don't want to face it, they are doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result and getting increasingly frustrated and hateful and blaming everyone in a paranoid fashion when it doesn't work. Like for a significant amount of the media and Democrats it is impossible to think that Biden was a failed admin or that Kamala is to blame for losing, which are INSANE things to have to labor under in a world that is exactly what it would be like if they were massive fucking failures.
>>2891122should add, for some of these prominent media and politicians it could just be rational acting for their self interest but there's a mental cost to that too as things have progressed. I don't think any fascist or any liberal really gets off totally scott free mentally from the horror they inflict and enforce whether they are aware of their role cynically or totally drinking the kool aid
>>2891113theoretically you should do that but practically i don't see how to do that without first voluntarily joining the military, which requires… voluntarily doing the things the military tells you, like killing workers in other countries.
>>2891046>>2891122our entire culture encourages individualist narcissism and never admitting you're wrong and believing you can do anything if you set your mind to it. This results in a bunch of delusional cruel psychopaths running everything
>>2891127>>2891119You guys understand that communists used to actually encourage people to join the military for the purposes of infiltrating it right? This was standard practice for decades and was a major reason why the Bolsheviks were able to take the Russian Empire out of the war.
>which the labor-aristocracy and imperialist blood-hounds (which the US military really is) will never see as their enemyDefeatist nonsense. Pretty clearly they're already beginning to regard their own commanders as their enemies and obviously don't want to be there. Things like this always begin with small grievances over supplies and conditions, it's precisely by agitation by dedicated revolutionaries that these are transformed into class consciousness.
>the reality that the army has mechanism to quickly filter out communistsDo they have a mind reading device?
>>2891130>This was standard practice for decades and was a major reason why the Bolsheviks were able to take the Russian Empire out of the war. Delusional. A few individuals are never going to go against the MIC. And the bolsheviks didn't a priori join the tsarist army, but a large number of
mobilized people (see the difference, mobilized, not professionals) were already exposed to communist ideas and struggle against the ruling class because of 1905. You have it turned on your head.
>muh infiltration
Shut the fuck up, poindexter. Itโs so revealing how you keep harping about some mythic past of the spooky big other that communists in the past did or didnโt, but you donโt know shit about the current material conditions of the military.
>>2891130>You guys understand they'll never understand lol brains too small
>>2891131The Russian military (or at least the navy) didn't rely on any kind of large scale conscription in 1905, but Lenin specifically argued at that time that the mutinies over supplies and living conditions were a sign that communists needed to intensify their infiltration of the military, politicize it, and give the spontaneous movements of the sailors political consciousness and leadership.
<The soldiers stationed in St. Petersburg want better rations, better clothing, better quarters, higher pay, a reduction in the term of service and shorter daily drill. But more prominent among their demands are those which could be presented only by the civic-minded soldier. They include the right to attend in uniform at all meetings, โon an equal footing with all other citizensโ, the right to read all newspapers and keep them in the barracks, freedom of conscience, equal rights for all nationalities, complete abolition of all deference to rank outside the barracks, the abolition of officersโ batmen, the abolition of courts martial, jurisdiction for the civil courts over all military offences, the right to present complaints collectively, the right to defend oneself against any attempt on the part of a superior to strike a subordinate. Such are the principal demands of the soldiers in St. Petersburg.<The armed forces cannot and should not be neutral. Not to drag them into politics is the slogan of the hypocritical servants of the bourgeoisie and of tsarism, who in fact have always dragged the forces into reactionary politics, and turned Russian soldiers into henchmen of the Black Hundreds, accomplices of the police. It is impossible to hold aloof from the struggle the whole people is waging for liberty. Whoever shows indifference to this struggle is supporting the outrages of the police government, which promised liberty only to mock at it.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/nov/15d.htm>>2891134>but you donโt know shit about the current material conditions of the militaryYou people aren't exactly making a compelling case for why these lessons aren't applicable. The distinction between conscripts and volunteers isn't a class destiction except in cases of career soldiers who spend their whole working lives in the military. The majority are only there for one or two contracts before going on to being ordinary workers.
>>2891138>wait till the USA get invaded so that you can use your unit in the civil war that followsWho said anything like this?
The sentence structure "You do realize X, right" tells me all I have to know about a person. It means they are an arrogant know-it-all intellectual. Plus sabocat fucking served in the army killing children as a side hustle.
>>2891142Spoken like somebody who doesn't realize X
>>2891141>https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/nov/15d.htmDo you even fucking read what you post?
>Gone for ever are the days when Russian troops could be sent abroad to suppress a revolutionโas happened in 1849.Is this true of the US army? No.
>Today the armed forces have irretrievably turned away from the autocracy. Is this true of the US army? No.
>They have not yet become wholly revolutionary.Are the US army mutineers in any way revolutionary? No.
>The political consciousness of the soldiers and sailors is still at a very low level. But the important thing is that it has already awakened, that the soldiers have started a movement of their own, that the spirit of liberty has penetrated into the barracks everywhere.Has this happened with the US army? No.
Further
>The soldiers stationed in St. Petersburg want better rations, better clothing, better quarters, higher pay, a reduction in the term of service and shorter daily drill. But more prominent among their demands are those which could be presented only by the civic-minded soldier. They include the right to attend in uniform at all meetings, โon an equal footing with all other citizensโ, the right to read all newspapers and keep them in the barracks, freedom of conscience, equal rights for all nationalities, complete abolition of all deference to rank outside the barracks, the abolition of officersโ batmen, the abolition of courts martial, jurisdiction for the civil courts over all military offences, the right to present complaints collectively, the right to defend oneself against any attempt on the part of a superior to strike a subordinate.>Such are the principal demands of the soldiers in St. Petersburg. Are these the demands of the US army? No. Like come the fuck on, completely different material conditions and you want to copy paste particular tactics from a particular historical episode as a universal principle. The Maoists tried it with PPW. You know how that ended.
>>2891143Yeah fuck you cunt.
https://home.army.mil/knox/5415/6623/6713/Political_Activity_AF_2016.pdfSo vague that any communist agitation will be seen in violation of the UCMJ and will be sent to Leavenworth
>https://taskandpurpose.com/news/neo-nazi-marine-commie-cadet/< Why Did The Military Keep A Neo-Nazi Marine But Boot That โCommie Cadetโ? If crips, bloods, latin kings, gangster disciples, and mexican mafia have no problem infiltrating the military why canโt communists?
>>2891152Because the structural position of the lumpen gang member and the bourgeoisie is the same, just that one has capital.
>>2891152Capitalists love lumpen, not the revolutionary proletariat
>>2891130>>2891139>>2891141>infiltrate US military>wow now i'm doing real communism>antics ensue>dril instructors scream at you all day>fellow troops haze you, maybe even sexually assault you>try not to become the runt of the litter in basic training, which means punching down and sucking up>talk to your fellow troops>they all volunteered, many are reactionary>the poverty draft cases are slightly easier to reach out to but they still fall in line and report you when you start agitating>either you get dishonorably discharged for trying to do communism in the military or you make it all the way through basic training somehow>get deployed to the middle east. >gotta bomb children for oil companies to keep up the disguise while you agitate to a bunch of very conservative people who think communism is, at best, fag shit, or at worst, literally holodomor 1984>wonder was it really worth it>get hit by shahed because iranians are in fact allowed to defend themselves>died for israel awardagain the best way to agitate is to mock those who join as dying for israel and discourage others from joining. humiliate recruiters. talk shit about the MIC. remind people that the military is not an organization that spreads freedom but an actual bastardly cancer that hurts people worldwide. Tell people about all the CIA coups, sanctions, embargoes, unprovoked wars of aggression, etc.
>this conversation again
Must be Groundhog Day. Anyways yes, it is a good thing that soldiers are rebelling on American aircraft carriers, even if they're not doing it for pvre revolutionary reasons. And if conditions continue to get worse on these ships then these rebellions are going to increase, hampering the ability to uphold American imperialism, which is objectively a good thing. That said, "communist infiltration of the American military" is at this point in time a pipe dream, we've got a lot of work and at least a couple more outright crises before we'll reach that stage. Also Sabo was literally a reservist and was never deployed in a foreign country
>>2891155You forgot, the overwhelming military budget is mostly fraud and most of the reason we canโt get public healthcare or fix the roads
>>2891154>>2891153A communist is very literally always a criminal in a capitalist dictatorship, lumpens are opportunists, you have to show you have the upper hand over the feds and the lumpen will fall in line.
>>2891105in the current state of the US?
it sounds more plausible that they are simply having a treats deficit, rather than a moral struggle.
why do americans smell so bad all the time?
>>2891167i was trying to be generous to the other anon
>>2891148He's identifying those as positive developments that lend themselves to infiltration, not saying that they're prerequisites to even attempt it. He says that the army can and must be politicized, not that this should only be done once a number of conditions are met. The whole purpose of the vanguard is to push people forward, build on what grievances do exist and connect them to broader concepts of class struggle and social justice. We're not just supposed to sit around and wait for these things to happen spontaneously, and when they do start to happen on their own (like sailors rioting over lack of supplies) we definitely aren't just supposed to dismiss it.
>>2891155>again the best way to agitate is to mock those who join as dying for israel and discourage others from joining. humiliate recruiters. talk shit about the MIC. remind people that the military is not an organization that spreads freedom but an actual bastardly cancer that hurts people worldwide. Tell people about all the CIA coups, sanctions, embargoes, unprovoked wars of aggression, etc.Nothing wrong with any of that, but it's not mutually exclusive with infiltration. The fact is that there has very rarely been a successful revolution without the defection of at least some part of the military. At the very least it would produce communists with military training.
>>2891170WHERE IS YOUR VANGUARD THAT HAS ESTABLISHED A PRESENCE AND POLITICAL LINE AMONG SOLDIERS????? WHERE?????
>>2891161>moral struggleThe absolute state of this place.
>>2891172There isn't one. This a theoretical debate about whether such a vanguard should be established.
>>2891174please do it just don't be surprised when you get kicked out or all the soldiers hate communism and don't listen to you
>>2891175If that's your attitude you might as well just give up entirely.
We all must infiltrate the CIA, NSA, FBI, DOJ, DOD, DIA, NGA, NRO, MCI, ONI, DHS, ONSI, DOS: the willing bureaucrats of imperial capital will love to listen to communist agitation
>>2891174personally i'm a middle aged nerd with arthritis and a family to take care of so i will not be disappearing to the middle east on the off chance i can convince some zoomers who got groomed by recruiters to stop serving capital
>>2891176ok let me hop to it and leave my family and join the military with gray hairs after a lifetime of talking shit about it. i'm sure i'll fit right in and not be spotted as the MIC hating commie that i am and beaten to death with soap socks like in that full metal jacket scene
>>2891172hysterical retard
>>2891177>career law enforcement/intelligence is the same as the military where people serve an average of 8 years and then go work normal jobsAnd you guys are accusing me of ignoring differences in material conditions.
>>2891174>This a theoretical debate about whether such a vanguard should be established.No, this is you claiming that a vanguard should agitate among labor-aristocrats and blood-hounds of imperialists (see
>>2891167 and pictures from Abu Ghraib) for communism and us shitting on you that 1) such a vanguard doesn't exist and 2) such practice is useless. Then you shifted goal-posts to claim "uhm akschually we are talking about
establishing a vanguard not what it ought to do". Devious and satanic behavior.
>>2891134he's right about infiltrating the army.
>>2891182I was patient enough.
>>2891180>revolution isn't important enough to meyes this is obvious
>>2891130Do you know how much the military spends on psychological research?
I dont but its probably more money than any of us can imagine.
They have the brainwashing down to science. I have in my entire life only met one veteran that was remorseful of what they have done. The rest are like Platner liberal or conservative but proud of their baby killing.
>>2891184>SatanicI miss the days when leftypol didn't need to resort to crude moralism to make their arguments
>>2891183i suppose the difference is that the cops police the locals while the military polices the foreigners
>>2891185That limp-wristed fag who canโt even lift 5 pounds over his head is not right about infiltrating the fucking military where majority of the middle to upper middle class parasites who constitute the military will love to use communists as Mozambique drills and froth at the mouth about wanting to kill communists. Sure, knock yourself out, retard.
>>2891187yes. revolution is so unimportant to me that I will not …. trying not to laugh…
infiltrate the people who bomb iranian schoolchildren >>2891190Do you think that me pointing out structural issues with his talking points is me saying he is satanic? Can you separate rhetoric from content? Where is the moralism? Can you point it out? Ignore the word "satanic" for a second. Where is the moralism?
>>2891184>No, this is you claiming that a vanguard should agitate among labor-aristocrats "Labour aristocrats" is a term referring to trade union and socialist party officials that carve out a comfortable niche in capitalist society as sheepdogs for organized workers. It doesn't just refer to anybody making a median wage or something.
>us shitting on you that 1) such a vanguard doesn't existIf it doesn't exist then we should make it exist.
>such practice is uselessIf that were true then revolution is impossible. There has never been a successful revolution without a serious fracturing of the state security apparatus which obviously includes the military. Successful infiltration is quite simply a prerequisite to actually winning.
>>2891188>They have the brainwashing down to scienceThen that should apply to workers at large shouldn't it? These conversations always seem to descend into defeatism.
>>2891195Another civic-minded US soldier!
>>2891142>It means they are an arrogant know-it-all intellectualthe best part is he is a houdini-tier retard actually but fools people with his "effortpost moderate" style of yapping
>>2891113I hate when they don't acknowledge the necessity of doing agitprop everywhere, with anyone.
>>2891173however, you know I am right:
>>2891161 >>2891196>"Labour aristocrats" is a term referring to trade union and socialist party officials that carve out a comfortable niche in capitalist society as sheepdogs for organized workers. It doesn't just refer to anybody making a median wage or something. Again you cunt, separate the rhetoric from the content. The people serving in the US army are well-off middle-class, not a starving peasant mobik. God fucking damn it people really struggle with content and rhetoric. I guess you're gonna shift the goalpost once more and go on about what labor-aristocrat actually means (I agree by the way, with your definition, but this is irrelevant for the topic at hand since this isn't a scientific article about the US soldier but a furious debate)
>>2891196You cant run every prole through bootcamp
>>2891168Delcy is a Gorbachev-tier traitor to the Boliviarian revolution. You know who isnโt a traitor to the liberation of the worldโs proles. Jack wilimos, who you should for on November 3rd. North Carolina u.s senate.
>>2891203least interesting nameposter on the site by a wide margin ngl
>>2891205What do you know, Cato?
>>2891206i never watched those gayass movies so i dont understand the reference
>>2891200>The people serving in the US army are well-off middle-classThat actually isn't supported by the graph people keep posting. It just shows that people from upper class backgrounds are overrepresented, not that they outnumber poor recruits. Proles vastly outnumber the petty bourgeoisie and bourgeoisie, so even if the latter joined the military at twice the rate it still wouldn't mean they outnumber soldiers from working class backgrounds. That graph actually shows that majority of recruits come from households making below the median income of $83k. I'd also be interested in seeing the breakdown between officers and enlisted troops, since wealthier people are obviously more likely to become officers.
>>2891199You're right in that their grievances are short term, practical concerns rather than long term political ones. My point is just that political consciousness grows out of short term deprivation.
>>2891130>Pretty clearly they're already beginning to regard their own commanders as their enemies and obviously don't want to be there. Things like this always begin with small grievances over supplies and conditions, it's precisely by agitation by dedicated revolutionaries that these are transformed into class consciousness.The metal band Five Finger Death Punch is fascinating to me because they're quite popular within the military (it's specifically a core part of their fanbase) and a lot of their lyrics almost sound like teenage tankies on Twitter. It might surprise people but their videos have images of businessmen, generals, and Uncle Sam smoking cigars and moving poker chips around on a table because they're gambling to make money on war. There are images here that look like cartoons in China Daily. At the same time a throughline is that soldiers themselves are good and heroic in a dumb WWE / "don't fuck with me" / Monster energy drink sticker kind of way.
It's very crude but I think default enlisted troop populism is like that. The contradiction that really sticks out to me in this song and video is that the singer is bellowing "I won't be a pawn in anyone's game" while the soldiers are rescuing kids from some assholes who want to hurt them, but they're also blowing up some Asian city and being pushed around like poker chips. And it's like, well, these guys are being used as pawns. But at the very immediate level the soldier is honorable because he rescues kids and doesn't abandon his buddy. But a leftist might see that and then dismiss this sort of populism out of hand because it's contradictory, which it is, but that's because it's expressing feelings of being exploited (again, in a very crude way, more out of intuition than from a fully-formed political program). It's more interesting to think about it as a contradictory social formation rather than thinking "is this left-wing/right-wing/pro-war/anti-war."
>>2891212A simple google search would show how youโre genuinely fucking retarded and speaking from some insipid vibe based idealism and not reality, moron.
>>2891178fyi:
the Iranian embassy issued a clarification, and also said Aragchi was taken out of context, and by spreading the message
This isnโt Venezuela where you take out one person and everyone else gets scared and backs down you are working for free for those who want to severe the Iranian-Venezuelan ties.
https://nitter.net/Eiranencaracas/status/2082310353354936690 Pretty hilarious albeit unsurprising that some DSA lib sabocat like Houdini canโt even read a basic graph
>>2891190Hey faggot I asked you a question
>>2891194 >>2891196Anon, you're talking to fat basement dwellers who are inherently repulsed at the idea of doing anything practical or in the real world outside of sitting in their own shit and reading theory. These people unironically think an armed uprising by ordinary working-class Americans will somehow topple the American government and the behemoth of the military industrial complex. They are completely delusional.
>>2891218How am I misreading it? All it does is compare income quintiles with the percentage of US military recruits from each one. It shows that the middle three are slightly overrepresented while the highest and lowest are underrepresented. The issue is that those middle three quintiles are still for the most part below the US median income, so calling them "middle class" is pretty vague. It also doesn't distinguish between officers and enlisted men.
>>2891215>no argumentssabo is right tho
>>2891212>My point is just that political consciousness grows out of short term deprivation.ah, of course.
>>2891184>satanic spooked out of your gourd son
Even ignoring the issue of median income, the graph still shows around 40% of the US military is drawn from the poorest 40% of the population, which would still mean over a million members with the appropriate class background (assuming you insist on using income and not the Marxist definition of class).
Q: who do you support in the Zambian general election?
A: Brian mundibile seems like the right man for the job.
>>2891233You think you're being funny but actually, you are being insufferable.
>>2891233Behaving in such a way IRL would actually get you beaten up, btw.
>>2891233Why do you write like a predditor?
>>2891220>REEEEEEEEE DEBATE ME DEBATE ME DEBATE MENo I'm busy making fun of you for being a spooked little faggot
>>2891238>>2891235>>2891234answer the question. does anger you that the are signs of a mutiny inside the air carrier? it's ok to be nato left. you'll get banned for being reactionary, once you state a reactionary point, but it's ok.
>>2891242No, it angers me that people here are misinterpreting the mutiny as a sign of class consciousness and pretending that there is an organized vanguard that can commit to mass political agitation. Now answer my question: point out the moralism in my previous statements. Go ahead, you little cunt.
>>2891242This tactic of shoehorning in your opponents apparent position (i.e. "ok to be NATO leftist") is a tactic that is commonly used to disrupt actual discussion, because it forces the accused to defend themselves from the imagination of deranged individuals.
>>2891245>the mutiny Also not a mutiny, it was a literal interimperialist conflict (the sailors killed themselves not the commander).
God what a cunt you are. I want to actually gauge your eyes out and pour salt where they were.
My balls kinda itch not gonna lie
>>2891242>answer the question<DEBATE ME DEBATE ME DEBATE ME REEEEEEEEEEEENo. Eat a bullet.
>>2891181no you have to join the US military now otherwise you don't really care about communism. i am very smart. even if you agree agitating soldiers is good, if you aren't nice to the soldiers and instead mock them for volunteering to die for capital, that's not real agitation and actually you're a wrecker. don't you know their precious feelings will hurt and they'll double down on reaction? sure they didn't double down on revolutionary stuff when their dril sergeant bullied them but they'll definitely do the opposite when you bully them… for some reason I can't explain. and if you notice any of this it means actually you're mad that US soldiers are mutineering on a ship or something even though this conversation literally started in the previous thread with a certain flag user kvetching that someone was "mocking" the poor little volunteer servants of capital
kill recruiters and mock the retards who fell for it.
>>2891245but no one is saying it is one.
hoes mad:
>>2891247>>2891251>>2891250 >>2891233actually it's great that the volunteer servants of the bourgeoisie are stabbing each other on the boat that launches missiles at children. maybe they'll come to their senses and join the communists… as followers and not leaders…. since they have a lot of learning to do.
Satan was historically progressive. He rebelled against celestial despotism. As the old conservative quote goes, Satan was the first Whig.
>>2891178>>2891216he didnt get taken out of context. he actually said it. he was just prompted by the other guy to say it. and i think it's right. the venezuelans should not have let the cuck delcy rule over them and should have ousted her and replaced her with a TRVE chavista.
>>2891075feds are trying to narrow this place down to real IPs for NSPM 7 by getting all the VPN nodes banned in the stupidest way possible. sounds like something kegbreath cooked up
>>2891264chat when did the monroe doctrine begin
>>2891267When did it end? Because the other half of the deal was respecting the spheres of influence of the other regional powers.
>A sailor went overboard last month off of the USS Abraham Lincoln, a US official told CNN, amid reports of worsening mental health for crew members on the ship during an extended deployment for the Iran war.
>Democratic Rep. Mike Levin of California referenced the meeting in a post on X Friday, saying families described โmoldy showers, broken toilets, no hot water for weeks, meals that came down to half a cup of rice and two tortillas.โ
>โSailors so worn down that, according to one family member, the shipโs own doctor warned they need to reach port soon or people are going to start losing their minds,โ he wrote. the story keeps getting worse
https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/13/politics/uss-abraham-lincoln-conditions-extended-deployment-hnk >>2891256>no you have to join the US military now otherwise you don't really care about communismObviously a policy of infiltration can only be carried out by an actual vanguard party, and in a highly deliberate and organized fashion. Iirc the Comintern actually issued manuals on how to do this, and it involved clandestine cells of 2-4 people enlisting together and sniffing out grievances, conducting agitation, attempting to organize larger cells and recruit disgruntled soldiers. It obviously wouldn't be something everybody could do, nor could it be done without some degree of pre-existing planning and organization.
>sure they didn't double down on revolutionary stuff when their dril sergeant bullied them but they'll definitely do the opposite when you bully themโฆ for some reason I can't explainThe reasons are that military instructors are protected by institutional power, so they don't have to really worry about whether their troops like them. Especially in boot camp where they aren't going to actually be commanding those troops, but just moving on to the next batch when the current one graduates. Once troops actually reach their units the relationship with their NCOs and officers are typically much more relaxed. The job of the instructors isn't to inspire troops or be liked by them, it's to put them through the ringer and weed out people who can't handle the pressure. The purpose of the screaming and harassment is actually to figure out who is going to crack under stress, and promote espirit de corps by creating common consequences for mistakes. That's obviously not something a communist infiltrator can afford to do.
The positionality of the South and Republican stronghold states is fundamentally different from that of democratically held locations. Based on our current organizational apparatus, we are primarily focused on winning through the Democratic Party in democratically held places.
Look at the most recent election with Francesca Hong and Crowley. Crowley is a Democratic establishment candidate. We are competing against our own party, even though the Democratic Party and the DSA are effectively enemies. We are still competing with our own people. That is why she lost, because the centrist Democratic establishment would rather a candidate that is willing to work with the Republicans than a candidate that is willing to rebuke them.
The election typically comes down to how well you can mobilize the centrist elements of the Democratic Party towards your DSA-adjacent candidate. But look at the South. The city I'm in is the 10th most Republican city in the nation, and that majority is only about 59%. Comparatively, the 20th most Democratic city in the U.S., Chicago, is around 75%. This should tell you that the hold the conservative faction has over these locations is not nearly as strong as the hold the Democratic faction has over theirs.
Let's keep it a buck. When the average person here thinks of the Democratic Party, they think about Nancy Pelosi. They think about coastal elites that have no bearing or ability to understand the day-to-day struggle of existing within the South. The Democratic Party as a name is poison. The organizational apparatus of the Democratic Party reflects this. In areas like this, they have effectively pulled out. It's not contested territory; it's surrendered territory. And yet, despite the surrender, they can only eke out a 59% majority. That means we're only at a 10-point disadvantage if you want to talk about plurality.
Well, what does this mean for the organizer who finds themselves in this position? How can it be that the tenth most conservative state in the Union has a DSA chapter, has multiple mutual aid organizations, has a strong culture of artists, creators, activists? Could it be that the statistics don't point to ideological capture, but a lack of representation? I posit that it is a lack of representation.
The only people who are pushing against the conservatives are your standard, no-policy, no-promise, vibes-based, "hey, we're blue" Democrat. How do I know? Because every candidate that asked for our endorsement was this. Imagine going through a candidate's website to see how they align with your chapter's values, and seeing that they have effectively nothing in the way of policies, nothing in the way of promises, nothing in the way of something that would actualize people toward voting for them beyond, "Hey, we're blue, and you don't like those red guys, do you?"
Well, I don't like the blue guys either. Most people here don't. Think about it. If you're a DSA member, you probably have a strong disdain for somebody like Nancy Pelosi just as much as the person that you're trying to convince to vote for the party of Nancy Pelosi. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it?
It's a fundamentally different material terrain than organizing in a place like Chicago or Madison, Wisconsin. To me, this makes the material terrain of the South much more primed for dyed-in-the-wool socialist candidates, real working-class advocates. You're not competing with the Democratic Party because the Democratic Party has decided they're not competing with the Republicans. Therefore, you can circumvent all the hullabaloo and just run as a socialist, run as an independent.
Let's look at our city council and how the elections work. For a local election like this, you don't have to declare a party. You can run as an independent, but effectively everyone does.
Well, where does that leave a DSA-backed city councilman? It leaves them in an interesting position because they don't have to claim that they are a member of the Democratic Party outright. They can just go with the DSA endorsement as their pillar. That is something that someone who is working within a liberal stronghold cannot do. This is another reason why our chapter decided not to endorse anyone. After all, none of these establishment-backed Democrats are going to come out with a militant support for abortion access. They're not going to come out with a militant support for abolishing ICE, because they believe that in the red South, those lines won't play well. So they default to the vaguely progressive, reach-across-the-aisle, "we have nothing to offer you" platform.
So when we put our name and our chapter and our logo and our endorsement onto one of these candidates, what do we get out of it? Nothing besides saying that we were able to endorse someone. That's not political power. But the fact is that half a dozen candidates, all of whom lacked any sort of political policies worth a damn, came to our chapter and asked for that endorsement, which tells me that we do have political power.
You don't ask for an endorsement from an organization if you don't believe that that endorsement is important. The problem, of course, lies in the fact that the overwhelming majority of organizational strategies that the DSA has pondered have been related to winning in cities that are already comfortably blue. It's a different game, and it would take a serious coordination of resources from the national body towards the local chapters in the South to make the progress we need to build towards this rupture.
I believe the South is much better suited for that rupture because we are not having to compete with the Democratic establishment here. But because these areas are so saturated with the Christian-conservative-fascist values, they face significant brain drain. Why would you, a socialist organizer, commit to the bit and stick around when you could leave and go to a place like Seattle or Chicago or a place where your skill set is going to be more valuable because there are more opportunities for victory because things have already been built out there?
So in my mind, we should turn that on its head. Something corporations doโquoting the enemy hereโis that when a new In-N-Out franchise opens up, let's say, they will send what they call their all-stars, their best people from various locations to train the new staff, open the restaurant, and ensure that the restaurant is meeting the standards of the overall corporation.
The national body of the DSA should take the same approach. Instead of our organizers fleeing the South and moving to the northern cities, moving to the metropole, moving to the liberal zones, the experienced organizers from the liberal zones should be sent to our locations to mentor and train and uplift us.
Because if we want to get that city councilman elected, we're going to need to be able to canvass, we're going to need to be able to operate on a higher frequency. Having two days a week where you feed the people is great, but it's not the same as the institutional knowledge that has been gained through the electoral victories in the liberal-controlled locations.
And at the same time, if those organizers spend three months in Southern Mississippi, seeing in real time the material conditions of organizing in that environment, imparting the knowledge they've gained from their environment to those organizers, they are going to take that information back to wherever it is that they came fromโwhether, you know, let's say Seattle.
You come down from Seattle to Southern Mississippi, you see what that is, and then you bring that information back to the Seattle chapter, which is operating under different material conditions, yes, but the lessons learned can transfer over in just the same way that the lessons you were sent to Mississippi to teach can be transferred over, can be adapted.
At the same time, what this is doing is making our organizational apparatus more national in character, more cross-pollination, more communication between chapters. Let's say that the rural Mississippi chapter has a trans member who finds their healthcare cut off, who finds their job taken from them, who finds that the conditions of the South have gotten so sour that they would be best off relocating.
The DSA can serve that purpose because now we have connections between the Mississippi chapter and the Seattle chapter, connections that didn't exist because, effectively, the majority of chapters in the U.S. are operating independently of each other. This is a strong weakness of the DSA, but it's also a strength.
Essentially, to boil it all down, the positionality of the organizer in the South is fundamentally different from the organizer in the liberal-controlled strongholds that exist primarily in the North. If we can understand this terrain, map it, and then navigate.
I believe if we navigate the terrain of organizing in the South, the Deep South, the oppressed South, the conservative South, the Christo-fascist South, then we will find in this terrain, on this map, a path towards the rupture that the DSA has been committed to marching towards over the last decade.
>>2891288emdashes… when did you start using ai
>>2891290you realize that normal people use the em dash right? like ai is trained on real people's writing? most of my writing is speech to text transcriptions anyway, so there's a lot of natural pauses.
>>2891296this resonates with parents who have to watch toddlerslop until their brains fall out of their ears
>>2891295I understand, but my point is that it's an apple's to oranges comparison. Soldiers don't like being treated like shit by their instructors, they tolerate it. I don't think we can succeed simply by being tolerated, we need to be liked.
>>2891292I used to use them a lot and then AI arrived. It's like, aw fuck, now I have to change my whole writing style.
Makes me think that AI landing on everybody might result in rapid evolution of human language from people trying to distinguish themselves from AI. More crazy slang and meme words in people's vocab.
>>2891295>If anything they respond positively to bullying.Eh, I don't think so, sustained abuse like that can be really awful and wreck morale.
The main thing is that the military is all about following orders. From day one the military wires your brain to follow orders. Doesn't matter what the orders are, doesn't matter what you're doing or what the consequences might be, you will act on those orders. Part of that is making sure you know you don't have a choice. An order is an order, not an option. There's a military exercise, you attend a briefing in the morning in a big room and have to be there at 0700 or whatever and not a second too late. Like imagine 300 troops in a room and someone walks in after the meeting begins. It's like a pin dropping. How they program people to be like that is very effective.
Anyways, this is an obstacle for people who consider themselves revolutionaries organizing against the state. You might be able to protest, but any coordinated action that threatens the centers of state power will sooner or later have to confront the military, and the only way that can be successful is for major parts of the military to either defect or at least refuse to obey orders to shoot people. If they obey orders, then the protesters are just going to get destroyed in a flash because the balance of concentrated firepower is overwhelmingly on the side of the military. It's a very difficult problem, but in any event, leftists who consider themselves revolutionaries and rule out the possibility of influencing soldiers should just give it up IMO and vote for Democrats.
>U.S. Investigated Left-Leaning Groups During Minnesota Immigration Crackdown
>The target was not the Border Patrol agents who had killed Mr. Pretti, a 37-year-old government nurse, in late January. Instead, it was several left-leaning political organizations โ labor unions, a climate change group, socialist collectives โ that investigators believed had provided help and money to what they described as the โviolent opportunists and agitatorsโ on the street, according to newly released government documents.
>In one instance, officials used administrative subpoenas to obtain more than three years of financial records from the Sunrise Movement, an environmental action group, and a labor union, the Communications Workers of America. That time frame went well beyond the civil unrest in Minnesota, which was prompted by the deployment of thousands of immigration agents to the state during the winter.
>The documents further detailed an expansive covert surveillance operation in which undercover agents spied on protesters and organizers at meetings held online, as well as in libraries, parks and churches, taking down not only what they said, but also their names and sometimes license plate numbers. The undercover agents also infiltrated group chats on Signal, listening as activists discussed coming demonstrations and their political opinions.https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/13/us/politics/dhs-inquiry-immigration-protests-minnesota.html >>2891318>Eh, I don't think so, sustained abuse like that can be really awful and wreck morale.The thing people don't understand is that 99% of interactions with superiors in the military is more or less what you'd expect in any other workplace. The screaming and abuse pretty much only happens during training, and even then the relationship is more complicated than you might think. Instructors will scream at troops and make them scrub toilets or whatever, but they'll also crack jokes, go through miserable experiences alongside them (e.g. being out in the field with them), even calmly instruct them in many cases. Even when they are jacking somebody up they'll usually make sure the troop understands why and how they can keep it from happening again. The resulting relationship is usually a mixture of resentment and respect. It also varies a lot between branches.
>>2891292>most of my writing is speech to text transcriptions anywayFucks sake. That explains a lot actually.
>>2891330So what? This has literally been the case since the civil war
>>2891292>you realize that normal people use the em dash rightThe โnormal personโ reads and writes at a 6th-grade level. Theyโre the โ using em-dashes. Thatโs just cope for redditards who get caught using llms. They struggle to form basic, coherent sentences.
>>2891333fascism is when you are a bourgeois republic in 1865
>>2891338That was ten years ago, itโs more like a 4th grade level now and 20% are functionally illiterate
>>2891341America is literally the template for lebensraum but okay
>>2891345Colonialism and fascism aren't the same thing.
>>2891345>fascism is when you are the template for fascism rather than the thing itselfa blueprint is a building
>>2891346If fascism exists at all its when colonial practices come home to the metropole, its the easiest demonstration of imperial boomerang outside 9/11
>>2891347America has never been a liberator or progressive force, not once in its history, not even in WWII, cope and seethe
>>2891348this post is correct. your previous post was not.
>>2891351did i ever argue to the contrary. will you ever stop hallucinating
>>2891348True, which is why it's fair to say that the line between liberalism and fascism is always fuzzy and a difference of degree rather than kind. Still though, it's a distinction that can mean the difference between life and death.
>>2891353it's funny i fought with you over the troop thing but these other anons are so fucking stupid i get why you have no patience
>>2891354Itโs fun and cathartic to be stupid
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>>2891318>Makes me think that AI landing on everybody might result in rapid evolution of human language from people trying to distinguish themselves from AI. More crazy slang and meme words in people's vocab.I don't think so tbh, call me a pessimist. I think it's just more affordable to "watermark the human" through age verification and (workplace, Like META and Nvidia) surveillance. And then, use the media monopolies to condition people not to make the distinction. Because people are cattle and will learn not to, or to peek behind however perfunctory a facade is given to AI generated content as a matter of social conditioning. Today, it's impolite to look up a user's post history or a persons "early life" section on wikipedia. Some time soon you'd be treated like a transvestigator if you put the slightest effort into telling apart human and AI. Much less prejudicing the latter.
>"You can't just risk the false positives, you know? AI is an accessibility tool for many people!">"In fact, we are hiding the watermark just to stop the perverse incentives and protect the privacy of our users, agentic or human." >>2891296the left is finished
FINISHED
>>2891403Isn't whimsy a porn star? I'd like her if I knew who she was.
>>2891403>>2891408wait, AES had a career in porn? and his name was Whimsy??
behold the usa brain:
>>2891403observe their reaction to advertisements cooked up in a lab to appeal to their deliberately stunted infantile brains. take note of the vocabulary. it changes every 1 to 2 years. whimsy is the latest word they've chosen to terminate critical thoughts in their brain. the usanian is devoid of dignity. zero self respect. they conceive themselves as the perfect consumer. communication towards them must be formatted in accordance.
>>2891347the us is a fascist state, and has been since the end of wwii.
>>2891420Materialist explanation for why internet communists are miserable pricks?
Every single day a new pair of schizos decide to make this thread their personal boxing ring.
Blueโs Clues may be for toddlers but it isnโt toddlerslop, thereโs genuine educational material there like in old Sesame Street, if you want to yell at toddlerslop do it for cocomelon or paw patrol
The multipolar toddler show is Masha and the Bear
>>2891448That's not a circle that needs squaring, it's just an incorrect framing of the circumstances. I suggest talking to real people away from the keyboard or phone you're posting with.
their enslavement will be sold to them through barney the dinosaur and they will buy it gladly
>>2891453BARNEY IS A SLAVEACAUR WHO LIVES IN OUR IMAGINATION
>>2891448Entertainment has become cheaper than necessities
>>2891301I say so because I'm a parent and it resonates with me. Long live AES and also AES.
>>28914481 food/rent/water gets more expensive
2 society gets more self destructive
3 climate change gets worse
4 the forever wars get more frequent and more brazen
5 but the smartphone is cheaper so go back to sleep, you're too comfy for socialism
>>2891457that might or might not be the case for you. i don't know if it is for the majority. even if it is, it should be questioned, is that a good thing? i am not so sure.
>>2891305well things are rapidly progressing. there will be troops who like us if we pander to them, and there will be troops who don't like us even if we pander to them. if troops like us only because we pander to them, that's a problem. because they will expect to keep getting pandered to and never corrected. we're not their customer service. at some point you're gonna have to split the troops, find out which ones actually are willing to follow you even when you feed them hard to swallow pills like class struggle being necessary
>>2891463All valid points. As always the correct tactics will be determined on a case by case basis.
>>2891464also working people compare their comfort to their contemporaries in the same country, not to people far away in other countries, or people far back in time. Nobody's impressed by Steven Pinker telling them that they live better than a bronze age court official
>>2891361maybe if you live to spike other people's cortisol and give them mild amounts of brain damage every time you open your mouth.
>>2890747>500 years and the yanks haven't had a (non-fascist) revolution yet. intimidating and demoralizing seppos is based.>>2891333<fascist country>So what? This has literally been the case since the civil war>>2891423>the us is a fascist state, and has been since the end of wwii.this slow retreat is fascinating
>>2891464
>A house may be large or small; as long as the neighboring houses are likewise small, it satisfies all social requirement for a residence. But let there arise next to the little house a palace, and the little house shrinks to a hut. The little house now makes it clear that its inmate has no social position at all to maintain, or but a very insignificant one; and however high it may shoot up in the course of civilization, if the neighboring palace rises in equal or even in greater measure, the occupant of the relatively little house will always find himself more uncomfortable, more dissatisfied, more cramped within his four walls. An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.- Karl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital (1847), Chapter 6
>The thoughts of every piece of private property as such are at least turned against richer private property in the form of envy and the desire to level everything down; hence these feelings in fact constitute the essence of competition. The crude communist is merely the culmination of this envy and desire to level down on the basis of a preconceived minimum. It has a definite, limited measure. How little this abolition of private property is a true appropriation is shown by the abstract negation of the entire world of culture and civilization, and the return to the unnatural simplicity of the poor, unrefined man who has no needs and who has not yet even reached the stage of private property, let alone gone beyond it. (For crude communism) the community is simply a community of labor and equality of wages, which are paid out by the communal capital, the community as universal capitalist. Both sides of the relation are raised to an unimaginary universality โ labor as the condition in which everyone is placed and capital as the acknowledged universality and power of the community. [โฆ] The first positive abolition of private property โ crude communism โ is therefore only a manifestation of the vileness of private property trying to establish itself as the positive community. [โฆ] By reducing the worker's needs to the paltriest minimum necessary to maintain his physical existence and by reducing his activity to the most abstract mechanical movement. In so doing, the political economist declares that man has no other needs, either in the sphere of activity or in that of consumption. For even this life he calls human life and human existence. By taking as his standard โ his universal standard, in the sense that it applies to the mass of men โ the worst possible state of privation which life (existence) can know. He turns the worker into a being with neither needs nor senses and turn the worker's activity into a pure abstraction from all activity. Hence any luxury that the worker might enjoy is reprehensible, and anything that goes beyond the most abstract need โ either in the form of passive enjoyment or active expression โ appears to him as a luxury.- Karl Marx, Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, Third Manuscript, Private Property and Labor (1844)
>>2891468various anons can have different ideas of when the us became a de facto fascist state.
I for one, find undeniably that the moment started after wwii, but at some moments before that, like when promoted the dissolution of the Republica of Nueva Granada, to build the Panama canal, one could argue that the move was truly fascist.
>>2891487so you admit the anon who said the us is 500 years old and has been fascist since 1526 is stupid? good.
>>2891493did anyone ITT said navajo bourgeoisie were based
>progressiveoh my someone thinks progressive is a compliment
>>2891497This shi ain't even progressive in the Marxist sense, they're not proletarianizing people or generating industrial capital. Just a fracking scheme.
>>2891497>>2891499true but its fake anyway
>>2891499>This shi ain't even progressive in the Marxist sensedid anyone argue it was. i was just making fun of how you misused a word. not like you were quoting anyone actually said in the first place.
>>2891501not me btw. this idiot jumped in to make me look dumb and sow confusion
>>2891497I wouldn't even say they're progressive at this point. Indigenous bourgeoisie in Canada and the US are fully comprador.
>>2891492yeah, well, depends. remember that originally United States was a small territory and grew, at some point, erasing the aboriginal people. it wasn't a capitalist state, though, one of the things necessary for fascism, but it wasn't a pacifist state, looking to prosper communally with its neighbors.
Americaโs Loneliness Trap<One group of people is more isolated than anyone else. Itโs not men.https://slate.com/life/2026/08/men-lonely-social-skills-therapy-economy-crisis.html>Men are lonely, youโve probably heard. โFew men will admit it, but itโs true of most of them,โ declared Los Angeles Times columnist Jean Guerrero in one in a tsunami of recent takes on the โmale loneliness epidemic.โ Guerrero partially blamed the โvirtual worldโ and its โpornography and ideological provocation.โ
>This discourse often faults menโor at least masculinityโfor our empty social calendars. A Guardian columnist theorized, โMany men are socialized to prioritize strength, independence and stoicism, making it difficult for them to open up and form emotional connections.โ An Atlantic writer agreed, writing, โFriendships are hard to maintain โฆ but the social stigma that some men face when opening up and being vulnerable can make things even harder.โ A โpunk-rock psychologistโ told Vice that men have low emotional intelligence.
>BuzzFeed has cranked out 12 posts about male loneliness in 2026 alone (so far, at least). Some of them are pretty brutalโfor example, โ27 Loser Men Whose Actions Single-Handedly Prove the โMale Loneliness Epidemicโ Is Self-Inflicted.โ
>The inability of men to form friendships, or even make conversation, with each other is a ready setup for a Saturday Night Live bit. In one viral sketch, exhausted women take their male partners to a โman park,โ where they grunt about sports and Marvel movies. A sketch from April also featured a group of men, sequestered together while their wives have gal time, struggling to move past monosyllables. A mention of โthe male loneliness epidemicโ was even slipped into a recent cold opening skewering the problem drinkers of Trumpworld. The Daily Show ran two segments about male loneliness over the past few months, one of which culminated in Leslie Jones ranting, โSo many of these problems could be overcome if men would just go to therapy.โ
>I could go on and on. As assembled in the popular imagination, the image of lonely menโevidently, most menโis emotionally repressed, excruciatingly awkward, and freaked out by intimacy outside a romantic relationship (and maybe even within one); overall, theyโre a drag on others and susceptible to dangerous influences.
>Do such men exist? Perhaps. But the truth is, in aggregate, men are not much lonelier than women. Recent large polls from Pew Research and the Harvard Graduate School of Education found no significant gender gap in self-reported feelings of loneliness. In a KFF survey, more women (18 percent) than men (13 percent) said they always or often feel lonely. In the 2021 American Perspectives Survey, 15 percent of men said they have no close friends, versus 10 percent of women, but when Pew pollsters asked the same question more recently, they found no substantial gender disparity. In the latest American Time Use Survey, the average man spent about five and a half hours per day alone and the average woman about five hours and 20 minutes. Differences in time spent with friends and family were also puny.
>Loneliness has, overall, crept up to alarming levels in the U.S. These same studies show that Americans have fewer close friends and spend more time alone than in decades past. Since 1990, the total population who said they do not have a single close friend quadrupled, from 3 percent to 12 percent, according to the APS, while those who counted 10 or more close friends shrank from 33 percent to 13 percent. The number of hours per day an average adult spent alone was about five in 2003 and seven in 2024.
>Across all these studies, there is one group that is drastically lonelier than everyone else. The people who are not getting their share of social connection in America are those who arenโt getting their share of a lot: poor people. Those who struggle to afford essentials are also more likely to struggle with feelings of isolation.
>When viewed from this angle, loneliness in the U.S. seems less like something people impose on themselves through poor psychosocial maintenanceโan inherent premise of blaming genderโand more like something society imposes on people. There isnโt really a male loneliness crisis. But there is, as I learned poring over studies, speaking to experts and to low-income people, a loneliness trap. And since anyoneโs luck can go sideways, weโre all at risk of getting stuck in it. >>2891544>Across all these studies, there is one group that is drastically lonelier than everyone else. The people who are not getting their share of social connection in America are those who arenโt getting their share of a lot: poor people. Those who struggle to afford essentials are also more likely to struggle with feelings of isolation.it took them 5 paragraphs of gender wars to say this
>>2891544>At the start of his 20s, Dan had an assortment of friends left over from high school and a workforce training program. They went to restaurants, caught movies, and hung out at the mall.
>Then COVID-19 hit. Dan, who asked me to use only his first name, lived with his mother in the Boston area. They didnโt skip any precautions. He stopped taking community college classes, which he had hoped to use to transfer to a university for a four-year degree. โIโm basically just a shut-in for a year and a half,โ he said, โand I donโt do anything.โ
>His friends moved away or drifted out of contact. Six years later, his social life still hasnโt recovered.
>Dan is now 27, and together he and his mother survive on her Social Security payments and his full-time job as a home health aide, which pays $21 an hour. Heโs working toward a bachelorโs in business administration via online classes. These days, he tells me, โI donโt hang out with people. Thatโs not really something I do.โ
>He attributes his loneliness to a lack of hobbies. People trying to make new friends are often told to get involved in groups of like-minded others, but Dan doesnโt have the means to get out there. With more disposable income, he could afford to go to dance classes or a gym to meet people, he says, or โmaybe learn to sail.โ
>Socioeconomic status is a consistent predictor of loneliness. According to the KFF study, adults in households making less than $40,000 in annual income are about three times as likely to report frequent loneliness as those in households making more than $90,000. In the Harvard survey, 29 percent of those earning less than $30,000 felt lonely, compared to 19 percent of those earning $50,000 and up. In the American Perspectives Survey, 1 in 5 U.S. adults without a college education said they had no close friendsโabout double the rate of those with at least a bachelorโs. In the American Time Use Survey, people making $25,000 a year or less spent almost six and a half hours alone in an average day, about 90 minutes more than those in the $25,000-to-$50,000 bracket and three hours more than those making $100,000 or more. The poorest group also had the sharpest increase since 2010, when they spent about four hours alone each day.
>This trend extends outside the U.S.; in a University of Oxford study of 20 European countries, 49 percent of low-income individuals felt lonely, versus 15 percent of high earners.
>Maybe Dan could have made friends in college, but his in-person secondary education was interrupted by the pandemic and he never went back. Some people his age make friends at their job, but his line of work isnโt great for that. Spurred by an aging population, home health and personal care is a growing field that does not require a college degree. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 4 million Americans worked as aides in 2024, a 17 percent jump from 2023. Averaging $16.78 an hour, they barely outearn fast-food employees. โI do see it as a dead-end position in many ways,โ Dan said.
>One reason is a lack of co-workers to learn from or supervisors to impress. For the most part, his agency sends him to the same few households day after day, alone.
>Itโs a common predicament: Low-paying fields have changed. Many workers now have tenuous if any ties to others doing the same job. >>2891548>In decades past, low-wage positions werenโt like this. โIf you were a working-class person in the โ70s, you probably saw the same people every day at work,โ said Arran Davis, a researcher at Oxford who studies social interaction and public health. โMaybe you went to one of these working menโs clubs or the same bar after work and you had a fairly large social network.โ There was also a sense of pride and belonging in being part of a large, public-facing company, like one of the Big Three auto manufacturers, he adds.
>Low-paid tasks, like security and cleaning, are now increasingly subcontracted, leaving the people who do them outsiders at the places where they go to work. The people who monitor entrances or vacuum carpets at night are most likely not employed directly by the company and are not invited to the holiday party. Gig apps, like Uber and DoorDash, allow for an even greater level of isolation, with no co-workers and an algorithm acting as a dispatcher and supervisor.
>For those in a low-paying sector that does involve a consistent worksite, high turnover in fields like hospitality, food service, and retail impedes bonding among co-workers.
>Todayโs paradigm might seem โintentionally designed to atomize workforces,โ said Davis. There was probably no secret plan by some cabal, he says, but itโs another facet of the modern economy that favors the rich. โThey certainly hit upon a thing that is not great for worker solidarity,โ he said. The amount of the U.S. workforce belonging to a labor union has been halved since 1983, from 20 percent to 10 percent; this decline can make workersโ economic prospects bleaker, as well as hurt their social connections by dislodging another employment-related source of camaraderie.
>Even as poor workers make fewer friends on the job, their professional lives tend to eliminate social time. They may need to put in more hours or work nights and weekends to keep up with the cost of living. In 2025 an employee who earned the minimum wage needed to work 116 hours a week to afford an average two-bedroom rental and 97 hours for a one-bedroom, according to data from the National Low Income Housing Coalition, which factored in higher local and state minimum wages.
>โIf youโve got someone whoโs working six or seven days a week to make ends meet, thereโs just less time to make connections and keep those relationships up,โ said Isaac Bledsoe, a researcher at the American Institute for Boys and Men.
>The lack of social cohesion in working-class jobs contrasts with the norms of white-collar fields. Physicians, lawyers, software developers, engineers, teachers, accountants, financial managers, marketing professionals, and journalists are conditioned to see one another as colleagues and build professional networks inside their current place of employment and beyond. Attending happy hours and taking advantage of networking opportunities are often seen as parts of the job. These outlets may produce friendships and ease general socializing.
>Whatโs more, much of this โprofessional classโ got an implicit education in socialization in college. โWe have entire ecosystems at colleges dedicated to investing in the kidsโ social lives through clubs and student affairs and all that stuff,โ said Sam Pressler, a research fellow at the University of Virginia who studies social connection.
>In a poll from the Survey Center on American Life, 60 percent of four-year college graduates said they made at least one close friend at schoolโwhile only 35 percent who did not attend college reported having met a close friend at school.
>Pressler calls college โa relational supercharger.โ He said: โYou build relationships that last with you, not just during college but later in life. You build mentorship relationships. You build certain habits of participation that stay.โ
>Habits established in college may prevent someone from falling off the โfriendship cliffโ after school, as Dan did. But for people who are struggling financially, merely having friends is not enough to cure isolation. >>2891551>Sarah Perez works as a production assistant at a Los Angeles home fragrance company. Unlike Dan, she interacts with co-workers and gets along with them. One recently invited the 32-year-old Perez and some other work friends to a birthday excursion to a renaissance fair.
>โThey bought tickets and costumes and everything, and I just couldnโt go,โ said Perez. โI didnโt have the money, and I wouldnโt have been able to dress up along with them, and it sucked.โ
>Tickets were $65 and didnโt include add-ons like a giant turkey leg or horn of ale.
>Perez earns $22 an hour, and her income is quickly eaten up by expenses, including credit card debt sheโs trying to pay down. She spends most of her time in her room, in a shared house that she rents for $1,000 a month. She enjoys journaling and fiction writing and has trained herself to generally avoid visiting places that cost money.
>โItโs a bummer, especially because one of the best things to do when you meet new people is to bond over an experience together,โ she said. โThatโs how you make friends. Thatโs how you know whether or not you can vibe with somebody.โ
>For those of us not counting pennies, itโs easy to forget how often hanging out means spending money. Friends see movies or go to concerts together. They catch up over drinks or brunch. Taking a class or investing in a new hobby, like crafting or cosplay, could lead to meeting like-minded people. These activities arenโt free.
>American cities and towns once featured a variety of low-cost socially connective spaces to which members contributed mainly time and effort. These are the civic organizations whose decline political scientist Robert D. Putnam lamented in Bowling Alone, his landmark 2000 book on the decay of community participation in the U.S.
>In the midcentury, people had a menu of groups tailored to various demographics: womenโs clubs, veteran associations, ethnicity-based organizations formed for cultural preservation or political advocacy and religious auxiliary groups, like the Knights of Columbus and Bโnai Bโrith International. Community members could also volunteer at a local Red Cross or Scouts chapter or join a fraternal order that provided camaraderie with a dose of ritualism for their own sake, like the Eagles or Elks.
>In most places in the U.S., these institutions have fewer members and produce much less activity than in decades pastโif they still operate locally. Some of them seem downright archaic. But nothing rose up to replace this social infrastructure, and the U.S. experienced a โhollowing out of civic institutions and decline of third spaces,โ said Bledsoe, who also notes the decline in attendance at church, another no-cost community.
>Instead, friendship often centers on leisure activities and entertainment that requires disposable incomeโwhich is in short supply for many. After all, a third of Americans tell pollsters they donโt have funds to cover a $400 emergency.
>The effects of this are more than just boredom and loneliness. Missing out can make people feel bland or underdeveloped, creating another social impediment.
>When Perez goes on dates, she says, she often feels inadequate during conversations about life experiences. โTheyโll tell me, โOh, yeah, I spent two weeks in China, I spent two weeks in Europe,โ and doing all these things, and itโs just like: I havenโt taken a vacation in over five years,โ she said. โI canโt. I donโt go anywhere. Iโm not cultured. I feel very left behind, and Iโm only getting older, so it is very depressing to me.โ
>She feels alienated even when her co-workers talk about that classic watercooler topic, TV. The streaming services they watch arenโt within her budget. >>2891553>Mike D was laid off from his job editing a gardening website. Then, an education platform that provided a side income teaching classes in writing and editing closed.A computer scientist by training, he started a weekly Substack, Pithy Cyborg, that delivers news roundups and philosophical musings on A.I. Mike Dโwho asked to be identified using the name by which readers know himโgathered โa few thousandโ subscribers, 2 percent of whom choose to pay, his only income now. (Mike is among a growing number of computer science professionals not employed in the field; the New York Federal Reserve clocked the underemployment rate of new graduates in the once supercharged career path at 16 percent.)
>He said he reaches CEOs, computer engineers, company founders, and scholars at elite universities in the Boston area, where he lives, some of whom suggest meeting up to talk A.I. over coffee. โI literally canโt afford to buy a cup of coffee,โ he said. โItโs embarrassing.โ Ironically, as his newsletter connects him to more people, Mike feels lonelier.
>He still gets invitations. Some of his contacts, old and new, have implicitly or explicitly offered to pay for his expenses during a meetup. He turns them down. โThat makes you feel like a stray animal being fed,โ he said. โIโd rather disappear than be pitied.โ
>He goes for walks, reads white papers on A.I., and tends to his readership. He regularly communicates with a handful of subscribers one-on-one, โand those relationships have become meaningful,โ he said.
>But he finds most socializing exhausting. He hates being asked what he did last weekend or whether heโs tried some new restaurant in the area.
>โEvery casual conversation becomes a minefield of shameful moments where your poverty might accidentally show,โ he said. โSo you start preemptively avoiding conversations altogether. At this point, itโs the humiliating exposure thatโs more costly than the outing itself.โ
>To the surprise of no one, income is closely associated with self-esteem in the U.S. This creates another isolator for poor Americans: a hesitation to be seen and share when youโre down-and-out. This can harden into a defensive mindset that persists even when around other people.
<Davis, the Oxford researcher, led a study that reviewed survey data from almost 25,000 respondents in 20 countries. Lonely people were more likely to report pain, fatigue, and low moodโa trifecta he dubbed a โdefensive symptom cluster,โ associated with keeping oneโs guard up. Within the lonesome population, poor people were more likely to be burdened by this gloomy cluster than lonely people with more money. Poor people were also more likely to feel lonely than better-off people who spent the same amount of time around others.
>Even if they arenโt technically alone, โthereโs something that they feel is, like, lacking in their social lives,โ said Davis.
>It could be several things. Poor people have lower โself-reported social capital,โ or internal feelings about their value in a social network, Davis says. They may also develop low expectations of other poor people, as โbeing poor creates friction between relationships.โ Poor people lean on friends for problems rich people either donโt have, like needing a small loan or an emergency place to stay, or solve with money, like childcare and transportation. This can wear down friendships and make people skeptical of new acquaintances.
>And the stress of poverty can sap the mental energy required to invest and really connect with someone. โI think being social is like exercising. It has a little bit of a cost,โ said Davis. โIf youโre feeling tired and youโre feeling a bit shit, you probably donโt want to exercise, and you donโt want to be social.โ And if you fall out of your routine, exercising becomes harder.
>Money also makes people more likely to feel ready for a relationship; in a 2025 study of single Americans from age 25 to 35, higher income levels were tied to oneโs desire to begin a relationship, self-reported relationship readiness, andโafter a six-month follow-upโthe odds of being in a relationship. And the inverse was true. Low-income people felt less ready and were more likely to stay single. This applied to both men and women. The confidence of the economically comfortable is not misplaced; polls also show that financial stability is a highly attractive quality in a potential partner.
>An obvious challenge of dating when poor is that itโs another dreaded social situation that ends with a tab.
>Mike D has forgone dating since being laid off. โHow am I supposed to go on a date? Seriously?โ he asked. โ โHey, want to take the commuter rail to a moderately priced restaurant where Iโll quietly panic about splitting the bill, then literally cry if you order anything expensive?โ Itโs just too humiliating. I give up.โ
>Even if one finds a partner, many people consider financial stability a prerequisite to marriageโincluding, in one study, 91 percent of 18-to-22-year-olds. This is sensible, considering the startup cost. The average budget for a wedding ballooned from $13,000 in 1990 to $20,000 in 2005 to $36,000 in 2025. The costs of homeownership and childcare, life steps often taken as part of a progression with marriage, also continue to rise.
>Perhaps as a result, marriage rates since 1980 have remained consistent among adults age 33 to 44 for the top 25 percent of earners, as per the Brookings Institute, but have declined for everyone else, dropping from 60 percent to 38 percent among the lowest earners.
>Income is, again, a social barrierโin this case to an institution built around a promise of perpetual companionship. >>2891527Genuinely embarrassing
>>2891554>Poverty is a perpetual problem that Americansโfor the most partโaccept as unavoidable or deserved or not so bad except in extreme circumstances. It generates more headlines during recessions and depressions, but rarely is the plight of the poor deemed a crisis.
>Yet thereโs always a crisis of masculinity in America.
>At the end of the 20th century, deindustrialization and the stagnation of wages were demoralizing the gender traditionally tasked with being breadwinners. Journalist Susan Faludiโs 1999 book Stiffed: The Betrayal of the American Man summed up this trepidation. โAll the elements of the old formula for attaining manhood had vanished in short order,โ Faludi wrote. โThe boy who had been told he was going to be the master of the universe and all that was in it found himself master of nothing.โ
>Before that, psychologists and social critics worried about how men were holding up amid second-wave feminism. โMasculinity is no longer assured by virtue of female dependency,โ wrote journalist Myron Brenton in his 1966 book The American Male: A Penetrating Look at the Masculinity Crisis.
>We worried about the men who transitioned from World War II battlefields to the tepid worlds of corporate hierarchies and suburban lawns. โWhatโs Wrong With Men?โ was the title of an NBC special that, according to a preview, explored โthe dilemma of a man in todayโs world, beset by problems of job competition, civic status and accusations of inadequacy as a husband and a parent.โ It aired on Oct. 19, 1961.
>Earlier, the 50 percent failure rate of World War Iโera recruits to meet military fitness standards, the mass migration to cities and their indoor environments, and the end of frontier pushing had all caused waves of concern about men. Whenever society shifts and the hierarchy wobbles, we become anxious about the type of man who sits at the top of itโout of actual apprehension, morbid curiosity, and a fear of the backlash.
>It is kind to ask about us men from time to time. As things change, men and boys can struggle in demonstrable ways, such as our recent decline in educational achievement. But the crisis in masculinity has been an amorphous, low-simmering moral panic since foreverโand, in looking at the data, the โmale loneliness epidemicโ seems like its latest iteration. Aside from the scant statistical evidence for it, I find it particularly harmful in two ways.
>First, the expansion of loneliness in the U.S. is real. The pundits who fixate on its impact on men usually ignore a troubling number of lonely women. Their isolation and hurt are rarely addressed.
>Second, gendering loneliness implies that the root cause of isolation lies deep within the lonely personโs personality, where their gender identity resides.
>But looking at how poverty intersects with loneliness illuminated for me that social structures play a large, often ignored role in connection and the lack thereof. Most people need reasons or easy opportunities to repeatedly interact with others to create and maintain friendships. This is why so many are formed in schoolโbe it grade school or grad school. These connectors are getting scarcer for adults in the U.S. Loneliness is a problem that affects not just the poor, but, like any social ill, itโs easier to overcome if you have money.
>Unfortunately, the more blame-centric message of the โmale loneliness epidemicโ has been internalized by lonely men. This stands only to make things worse.
>Pressler, the University of Virginia researcher, led a project called Nobody to Call, for which he and his co-authors interviewed 30 men without college degrees. After high school, many of the menโs social circles had โwithered and drifted,โ he said, without a structure to sustain them
>Numerous interviewees felt culpable. โThese men were seeing it as their own responsibility to rebuild their relational lives anew,โ said Pressler, โand that felt both cruel [and] very difficult, and also actually put the burden on what we believe to be the wrong group.โ
>He added: โIt should be the responsibility of family, friends, neighbors to call them into community, and obviously thatโs a big set of questions of how you do that, but putting the focus on the collective rather than the individual to fix themselves felt like the more appropriate response.โ
>Thinking about the plight of poor people in America is always difficult, messy, and sad and tends to aggravate political divisions. It reminds us of income inequality, a problem that most people hate but still deepens and persists. The โpoor loneliness crisisโ would make for bad hot takes and worse comedy sketches. Conceiving of it like this forces us to grapple with our collective responsibility for those who are definitionally outcasts: the lonely.
>But itโs worth it. Looking at their loneliness means looking at the social architecture. By examining it, and retooling it where we can, weโll all be more connected. >>2891546>it took them 5 paragraphs of gender wars to say thisIt took a lot more than that to put something like this out. Iโm surprised they even moved passed it at all.
>>2891551>Todayโs paradigm might seem โintentionally designed to atomize workforces,โ said Davis. There was probably no secret plan by some cabal, he says, but itโs another facet of the modern economy that favors the rich. โThey certainly hit upon a thing that is not great for worker solidarity,โ he said. The amount of the U.S. workforce belonging to a labor union has been halved since 1983, from 20 percent to 10 percent; this decline can make workersโ economic prospects bleaker, as well as hurt their social connections by dislodging another employment-related source of camaraderie.And that is why there is no revolution in the US.
>>2891560I can see many ways this will backfire on them
>>2891551>Todayโs paradigm might seem โintentionally designed to atomize workforces,โ said Davis. There was probably no secret plan by some cabal, he says, but itโs another facet of the modern economy that favors the rich.Honestly I think this is a much more compelling explanation than treatler theory for the sorry state of the Western worker's movement. People forget how much emphasis Marx put on the living and working conditions of proles in his day, and how these created a strong sense of community and solidarity. He specifically argued that peasants were less capable of acting as a class for themselves because of their relative self-sufficiency and physical isolation, hence why they needed a Bonapartist representative like Napoleon III. I find that the biggest barrier to getting people involved in organizing and socialist politics isn't that they don't want things to change, but they're too atomized to feel drawn into the movement. It becomes entirely a question of individual effort, and not something you do because it has taken root in your community. Think of how alien the concept of a "communist neighbourhood" would seem today, even though such things were fairly common in some European countries during the interwar and postwar period.
>>2891569I've been living in a neighborhood for a while, that recently the landlord has just let fall apart. I've been trying to get a neighborhood organization started, and when I tell people not living there what I'm trying to do and why, I always get asked the same thing:
>Why don't you just move? The fact that this place I'm living in is my home, that I like it and the people in it (for the most part), that I should want to improve it, seems totally alien to them. It seems much more sensible to them, instead of working with my neighbors to improve their lives and mine, to instead just bail and try to find a better apartment somewhere else.
I'm one of the workers described in the article that does security and custodial work. A frequent exchange I have with people goes something like
>hey anon, how's it going? <oh you know, can't complain >yeah, and it wouldn't help even if you didIt's a sentiment I hear a lot. A lot of people seem to think that things can't possibly be any better. Not only that, but it's a waste of time to even try, if they even know how.
It's incredibly hard to build solidarity because everyone I come in contact with IS so atomized. The churn in mine and adjacent jobs is high. Many of my neighbors don't stay in one place for more than a year. They spend all their time working, can't meet anyone, and don't stay anywhere long enough to make any meaningful connections at work or at home. It's dreadful.
>>2891546>The people who are not getting their share of social connection in America are those who arenโt getting their share of a lot: poor people. Those who struggle to afford essentials are also more likely to struggle with feelings of isolationI didn't need a meta-study of hundreds of longitudinal studies to know this.
>>2891569that would mean that people have to treat other humans as something other than homo oeconomicus, and that's hard, and radlib, so we don't do that here.
Bro there was zero need to copy paste the entire article here in ugly green chunks of text.
>>2891587I genuinely got sad when I realized that the biggest reason why I have almost no friends and much less a gf is not because I'm ugly and autistic, but mostly because I'm poor as hell and can't afford an active social life outside of my job
>>2891606Sorry brother. I know it's tough, but hang in there.
>>2891606Bring a flask into bars and nurse a single PBR thats what i did, and bum smokes till I made a friend.
>>2891636Gott bump those numbers up
Do you think we need constitutional convention?Pretend itโs groovy nothing like a tin crown. What would be the new bill of rights? I predict in 30 years we will have one.
>>2891667in 30 years humanity will be extinct
>>2891668No. Constitutional convention of the future. what is your bill of rights? Abolish income tax for and Right to housing for example.
>>2891668no. you will be alive, very old, surrounded by death and poverty, in a lot of pain, suffering every day, but still alive, and too afraid to kill yourself.
>>2891671Joe is always amusing because I don't think he actually has any ulterior motives. I don't think he's grifting (beyond maybe his supplements and shit) and isn't beholden to an agenda. He's just a genuine oaf trying to wrap his smooth brain around the baffling world he finds himself in.
>>2891566throw a cup of water on them
100 years of fidel Castro. A bit bourgeois but ultimately one of the great glorious liberators of all time.
>>2891683haha wtf? no way fatty deployed air defence to his shitty golf club. do they really think some seppo's gonna airstrike the bastard?
>>2891685Apparently the new hardliners in the irgc are being tasked with "taking the fight to enemy soil" so maybe the orange blob is actually scared there's an Iranian drone with his name on it
>>2891693a very stable genius
>>2891693probably neutral:
it introduces delays, and expenses to carrier production and will likely be less reliable.
but yemen and iran have demonstrated that standoff munitions can keep american ships outside of their effective range. china has advanced satellite imaging and navigation, and AI and drone capability that would make hunting and killing american carriers trivial. they will also have more carriers than the yanks by the end of the decade and are already outpacing them in shipbuilding.
it's retarded and destructive, but not as retarded and destructive as letting their aerospace industry embezzle half a trillion dollars every year in the name of defense.
>>2891693After doing extensive exhaustive intense thorough research (5 minutes reading wikipedia) apparently the EMALS system is genuinely unreliable. I wonder though how much of that is due to incompetence in the form of contractors cheaping out on manufacturing, personnel not being properly trained in operation and maintenance, and not having replacement parts available when maintenance is scheduled and therefore maintenance is postponed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_Aircraft_Launch_System#Criticisms >>2891671sounds like a potential DSA candidate
>>2891700halfarsing a retrofit onto the new hull isn't going to fix anything.
>>2891703it's very funny to watch the dying empire flail, so good
>>2891641i hope some nimby goes full killdozer on a datacenter
>>2891636bro even if i hate iran how tf am i gonna feel bad that some sailors are going stir crazy when these mfers all sign up to do this shit
like sorry you're being ordered to sit on a ship for almost a year???
>>2891712also this obsession with lethality this country is so bloodthirsty man
an american story. 4 days after the massacre at wounded knee, this guy general colby found this 4 month old infant still tied to her dead mothers' back, in the snow. he took her, raised her as his daughter, sexually abused her, gave her syphilis, tried to have her committed, sold her alottment of land on a reservation without her permission. her husband left her because of her syphilis, she became impoverished, turned to prostitution, and died at age 30.
>>2891719that's from months ago btw
>>2891725wonder how bad it is now if they were serving rubber and slop back then
>>2891727bad enough that they're killing themselves
>>2891729Trump gotta get DoorDash Grandma on it
>>2891671"when I hear 'community' I think 'whites only gated community'" - Amber Frost
>>2891676>He's just a genuine oafhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanquism reports are coming in that it's over
>>2891733>"when I hear 'community' I think 'whites only gated community'" - Amber Frostshe lacked imagination
>>2891734people many saying are this
>>2891609>poison yourself in a shithole with expensive poison bro just said he has no money and that's terrible advice
>>2891680It's hard for me to tell fascists and liberals apart. Bordiga said fascists are a bit more organized. Okay, that it? There were despotic and monarchical liberals so being "authoritarian" can't be it. But I guess it's hard for me to really care about the supposed structural differences across time. Seems like all societies are basically fascist: male dominated, militaristic, enslave their neighbors if they can. Capitalist societies just got dynamic and had advanced tech, but the underlying beliefs are pretty similar. Like Thomas Jefferson said oh yeah we can incorporate Indians into our grand commercial society, then then defended themselves and he's like nah just kill 'em all. A lovely liberal Hitler.
>>2891757right so if fascism is just when reactionary people do reactionary things (literally all of class society and human history) then everything ever is fascist, and the actual historical context of fascism is lost. so what's the point of even having the word in the dictionary? That's what I'm asking. Personally I think it's best to see fascism in its historical context as a thing from the 20th century onwards. It is sufficient to describe regimes by the crimes they commit rather than turn an ideological word into a thought terminating cliche. America is a genocidal, reactionary, settler-colonial, bourgeois state. Yet it is decidedly not fascist. Not because it isn't bad enough, but because fascism isn't simply when bad things happen. You can say all the crimes it committed without reducing it to the politics of the WW2 axis. It might even be worse.
that's all well and good but the USA is fascist
>>2891606my cope mechanism is that I know much of those 'friends' made with money are whores for money, and that's it. the moment you struggle, they'll leave you.
so better be alone, but knowing that you aren't going through cognitive dissonance beats the hell out of having to face with those relationships.
>>2891711LMAO
the caterer be like:
"sir, where do I put this 600 pounds of bacon?"
>>2891685YES, fatty macfatson deployed air defense systems while doing his favorite hobby in his club.
prolly an anti-drone defense system.
>>2891775>None of you know fascism.years ago i got a knock on my door one day and there were two cops standing there and they said "you need to come with us" and i asked them what for and they said "we'll talk about that later, let's go" and they put me in handcuffs and put me in the back of a cop car and drove me to the police station and put me in a holding cell, everyone i asked what the charges were told me that they just had a fugitive warrant for my arrest and they didn't know why, i was transferred to a county jail and slept on a concrete floor in a freezing cold holding cell for days, then another holding cell for more days, then was processed and put in the actual cell block where i finally got to sleep on a bunk bed and eat some food at least but still didn't know what i did to get arrested, no interrogation by police, no attorney, no anything, just locked up with no explanation and i wasn't the only one either, everyone has the cliche "what are you in for" conversation in jail but a lot of the guys don't know why they got picked up. it would be a month before i finally got assigned a public defender and brought before a judge in the jail court and told what i was busted for, turns out it was over some dope a cop took off me in another state 4 years earlier and he let me go without pressing charges, but apparently the state had changed their minds at some point after i moved and said that i was a fugitive who skipped town and put out a warrant, i had to be extradited across the country in handcuffs by two cops through multiple airports and plane trips at my own expense, then two more months in another jail until i finally had a court hearing and took a plea bargain just to get out of there, pretty much destroyed me financially and i lost my job of course and basically everything else i ever had. what were you saying again?
>>2891810This is incredibly horrific and it really sucks that you suffered through that. But thats not fascism, fascism is not plain authoritarism like that. But I do agree the fascism and liberalism are both willing to do stuff like that.
Also that was me shitposting, genuine apologies if i offended you.
>>2891719Doesn't the USN have like a dozen aircraft carriers? Why don't they just rotate them out?
>>2891842>fascism is not plain authoritarism>authoritarismjust leave
>>2891852the Lincoln is to return to San Diego and replaced by the george washington.
why didn't they do this earlier? idk
>>2891852>>2891855i'm no expert, but from what i imagine to understand:
first, of those 12 carriers (strike groups), it is not all of them on the sea all the time. some are docked for maintenance and refurbishment at any given time, even in 'peace time'.
second, they are not under one centralized command but under regional commands, so there will be strategic, bureaucratic and navy internal political hurdles for why a carrier from one command can't be easily replaced by one of another command.
third, the powerful and almighty logistics of the burgerreich military isn't (or rather wasn't) the result of masterful planning, but virtually endless ressources that could be thrown around and wasted.
fourth, we are talking about cruel retards, so having these sailors and marines at sea for what is approaching one year, this well might be an experiment to see how much they take before mutiny or suicide.
combine this with the complete failure of their war on Iran and their plans to send Taiwan into the grinder in the coming years and you get a rough picture.
>>2891842>But thats not fascism, fascism is not plain authoritarism like that.semantics. it's all the same shit at the end of the day. it doesn't really matter what you call it because it's not really an ethos - fascism, national socialism, trumpism, stalinism, maoism, whatever. it's all just power as its own end, there's no real rational thought behind it, all the core beliefs and values are written in after the fact for the benefit of the plebs and none of it applies to the ruling class.
>>2891680my 'depends' is, where do we all agree that the us moved to a fully capitalist mode of production from the slave-owned mode of production? where do we agree that the US public state contribution to the GDP shrunk to the point of contributing to its GDP like a fly contributes to the formation of a hurricane?
also, is that moment related to an imperialist behavior, where they do the Republica of Nueva Granada thing?
I didn't agree with the
>fascist since 1776or the
>500 years old fascist country>fascism is simply when a government is capitalist, reactionary, and anticommunistno, not only that.
benito แดuแดlossnW:
>It's pointless for Giolitti to say he wants to restore the authority of the state. The task is enormously difficult because there are already three or four states in Italy competing for the likely exercise of power.>On the other hand, to save the state, a surgical operation is needed. Yesterday, the Hon. Orano said that the state is similar to the giant Briareus, who has a hundred arms. I believe that 95 of them should be amputated; that is, the state should be reduced to its purely juridical and political expression.>The State must provide us with a police force that can save honest men from scoundrels, a well-organized justice system, an army ready for all eventualities, and a foreign policy aligned with national needs. Everything else, including even secondary education, must be the private domain of the individual. If you want to save the State, you must abolish the collectivist State (Good!), as it was handed down to us by necessity during the war, and return to the Manchester State.Source:
https://www.adamoli.org/benito-แดuแดlossnW/pag0145-20.htmin order for a state to be fascist it must be:
-Capitalist (US, debatable its date โ, since 1945 โ
)
-Imperialist (US, since almost always:โ
)
Imperialism means exactly the dominion of other people through economic coercion and economic exploitation: Puerto Ricans are treated like second-class citizens, thus they labor not only is extracted as means of surplus labor steal like in capitalism, but also because they are Puerto Ricans, their same qualified labor pays off less, and if they protest, they get killed). A good reading of Lenin helps to explain this better.
-Mostly private-ownership contribution of their economy (US, since forever: โ
)
-Ideologically their ruling class is centered in the 'defense of the nation' or 'the state is sacred', the state is sacred: "everything in the state, nothing outside the State, nothing against the state" (the US since: 1945 โ
)
The state here is literally a capitalist-centered state. social programs? nah. reparations? nah. education? nah.
>>2891879dude did you post this three times?
ugh, I fucked up 3 times in a row… lmao
>>2891882YES. and I still managed to fuck up that 3 times in a row. not trying that again.
LMAO
>>2891868quite a controversial take
>>2891899>looks at image sizesepukku for ants
>>2891854>word policinglib
>>2891933>mocking the term authoritarianism is libk
>>2890673she wasn't even rude, wtf are you talking about
she's literally telling them to do what's best for themselves and not their evil masters, she's telling them to defect to a righteous cause instead of dying to napalm
why does hanoi hannah try to save the lives of the amerikkkan baby eaters?
>>2891970Looks like hot Asian girls are back on the menu boys!!
Hey USAnians,
If you regularly browse, and if you have ever posted on this site, with a VPN or without, I strongly implore you to submit a FOIA request on your:
Personal ID
Family
Address
ISP Records
Public IP History
Phone
Etc
Whatever else
I say this not because I distrust the moderation on this website, but because simply making a post on this site from your raw IP address could flag you.
That is all. Please stay safe
>>2891977Iโm not doing anything until other people overthrow the government thus itโs all free speech
>>2891977Same goes for anyone involved in organizing, who has attended a protest, or who has made radical statements on social media with their personal accounts,
Everyone really.
You won't get much, but the real value lies in the response. Response 7A, 7C, and Glomar Response can tell you whether there is an active investigation into you,
>>2891982The government is openly and unambiguously stating that they are going to target people for legitimate political speech and have access to all your shit, and that they have lists. Every agency does, and they are starting to connect them
>>2891984Iโm not worth their time or resources and neither are the vast majority under investigation or surveillance
Actually, I take it back, I want the government wasting as many resources on me and other useless posters as possible instead of actual activists and organizers.
>>2891970Sign of the times
>>2891977>>2891983a FOIA against whom tho
>>2892000your personal info because from their response you can deduce whether there is an investigation into you
>>2892005christ man, please get help. move states, take advantage of services
>>2892005after a certain number of times doing this you have to ask yourself if maybe there is some other way you could be going about sustaining yourself
>>2892006also another important thing: they are obliged to respond to you within 20 days
>>2891995welcome back bomacci
>>2891987They have arrestred people over posts already man, there is precedent for all of this. You need to wake the fuck up
>>2892011Good, I can take the feds to court on first amendment and get a fat fucking settlement and become bourgeois
>>2892005donating plasma might get you enough bucks to survive the week
>>2891987>Iโm not worth their time or resources and neither are the vast majority under investigation or surveillanceits highly entertaining how all the schizoposters here think they're being monitored for doing nothing subversive or illegal
But seriously is haz the closest america has to a og fascist
>>2892017Holy fuck, touch some grass. No Haz and friends aren't the next coming of แดuแดlossnW.
>>2892015Schizophrenia doesnโt exist, itโs just playing pretend for fun
>>2892006from
who though. This website?
>>2892019who said he's the next coming of แดuแดlossnW. I said is he the closest
I canโt wait to get arrested and schizopost during the interrogation, telling detectives communists donโt exist and they donโt read so they couldnโt possibly understand
>>2892020>i hallucinated schizophrenia isn't realthis post is proof you have schizophrenia
>>2891977I will never FOIA myself. I decided this after I watched the deprogram episode where secondthought said he foia'd himself and got 750 pages of mostly redacted shit. I'm sure they know everything I've ever said or jacked off to, every effortpost, every trollpost, every little thing I've ever said. they put it in a big section of the CIA library called "shit nobody cares about unless one of them does real violence"
>>2892011i hope they kill me, I don't want to live through the wet bulb temps
>>2892008you have to show solidarity
(he is grifting his fellow poors)
>>2892037You canโt x ray anyoneโs brain and find a mental illness because it doesnโt exist. You can test and find physical evidence for literally any other illness or injury but you canโt for most things in the DSM 5. Why do you think that is?
>>2892013My man, who do you think is gonna win in that fight: you, with your limited resources and an affordable lawyer, or the full backing of the DOJ?
>>2892021Oh no, sorry. You can make requests on specific entities and records (iirc), including properties, ISP, Personal, Vehicular, mobile carrier, etc. Check out the link I posted in
>>2892012 >>2892047Bob Avakian managed to win every flag burning case so why not
>>2891954>>2891991not just bad bush, a mean bush.
>>2892038I feel that, but the value of it isn't in seeing what they actually have on you, that is all trivial (but could be useful).
See
>>2891983 >>2892052Bob Avakian is already bourgeois and had the backing of his entire dues paying cult
>>2892052he also had the support of the ACLU and other groups
>>2892058Iโm not worried until the government bombs the ACLU
By all means, if you sleep on the FOIA thing and something happens (which it probably won't, it just can't hurt), you can reach out to ACLU, but they are underfunded now.
>>2892044>You canโt x ray anyoneโs brain and find a mental illness because it doesnโt exist.>x ray>brainmedically illiterate
and yes you can scan a brain for damage or abnormal neuron firing patterns.
https://www.healthline.com/health/schizophrenia/schizophrenia-brain-scan >>2892060That is not how they are operating. They are going after the smallest targets first, like the Turtle Island gayop and Praireland 19 hoax show trial.
>>2892063well then they are stupid and that is a stupid way to do it
>>2892063Not just smallest, but ones that they can easily justify to the public. Same with Elias (PBUH).
That is how the process works, like fucking christ man there is a whole poem about it
>>2892063So basically the same tactics as dealing with the mafia
If the government was serious they would have bombed NYC for electing Mamdani, all this shit is spectacle
>>2892064It doesn't matter if they are stupid! They are still incredibly violent!
YES! They are dumb because they are going to spend themselves into insolvency carrying out a purge of the left and working class groups and carrying out deportation, it will be their downfall, but you need to ensure your personal safety dude
>>2892067It's easy to say that as someone who presumably spends all of his time online consuming slop instead of investigative journalism and never goes out and has never spoken to another IRL socialist in their life.
Things are more dire than you realize. If you think the Nazis were bad, what is going to come in the next 2-10 years will be even worse.
>>2892068Their violence only hurts them, Iโm gonna have a smug smile and a cumstain on my pants looking those thugs in the eye, the sight will cause them to drink themselves to death
>>2892069Good, itโs what this country deserves
We have the chance to stop all of this before it gets out of hand, here, as USanians. We are well positioned to do it, and the state is way more fragile than people realize right now.
Our goals are well within our reach, within our lifetime, I just am not sure if people here will be a part of it.
>>2892071fuck, you got me. big ups
>>2892072It's an empire in the throes of death, it poses a risk to the entire world, and had american chosen a different path after WWII or had a revolution, none of these existential issues would exist.
They can deplete their stockpiles but they still have nukes
>>2892067succdems are just an outlet vent. same with free speech. if you get to keep your free speech, your succdems, your foia, your flag burning spectacles, they can keep stomping third worlders into dust until they run out of missiles because we won't fight them on that because at least it's not happening to us yet. i don't think this makes us uniquely evil btw I think most third worlders would be exactly the same if they grew up here instead of there. gusanos prove that.
>>2892073What differentiates USian whatever to German or Italian or Japanese mid 20th century shenanigans is that the USian is completely mercenary, there isnโt any real belief system or ideology (even an incoherent contradictory one), as soon as the money stops theyโll all abandon ship
>>2891995Mediterranean guy looks Mediterranean
more at 11
>>2892076Donโt forget the millions of hours of entertainment
it's starting
they actually did it holy shit
>>2892082vagueposting should be bannable
Itโs good that 20% are functionally illiterate, you canโt be propagandized if you canโt read the propaganda
>>2892084the vast majority of bourgeois propaganda these days is visual/audio. ever watched what they call the news for more than 5 seconds?
>>2892082No fucking way that just happened
>>2892089I canโt, itโs literally overstimulating and my head hurts when I try
so that just happened
Luigi has plead guilty to murder today, seems like they're still going to try to give him a life sentence
What do you guys make of the whole situation?
>>2892104He pleaded guilty to stalking, not the murder
>>2892108Wait nvm he also admitted to killing him lol
>>2892104caleb maupin is right. the left should not idoloize murders or shooters. wear a suit. go help in your community. donate canned food. write books and leaflets. hold conferences.
>>2892112Nah it's great what he did and I wish he'd do it again
>>2892112What about spanking?
>>2892082too early in t morning fr this
>>2892072>the germans were bad and deserved the nazis<that's why it's justified that your rural east ukranian village got flamethroweredyeah
>>2892140>donbass murders peopleukraine started shelling them in 2014
>>2892076>succdems are just an outlet vent. same with free speech. if you get to keep your free speech, your succdems, your foia, your flag burning spectacles, they can keep stomping third worlders into dust until they run out of missiles because we won't fight them on that because at least it's not happening to us yet. i don't think this makes us uniquely evil btw I think most third worlders would be exactly the same if they grew up here instead of there. gusanos prove that.imperialism is kind of like the milgram experiment where they had people shock each other. if you could see the person you were shocking you were less likely to take orders. but as soon as they were hidden behind a wall people would press the fucking button over and over. so distance and invisibility dehumanizes. as long as you can keep the people you are destroying distant and invisible the vast majority won't care. and this is the same across cultures. not just a first worlder thing.
healthcare status?
fascist country
>>2892062he stopped replying after that lol. he never admits when he's wrong he either moves onto some other schizo statement or stops replying.
>>2891848That's interesting. I think they like to say "Democrat Party" because "Democrat" can be coded more pejoratively in people's minds (it also ends with "rat") than the word "democratic" can. But now they're caught in a bind because they're trying to encourage liberals who don't like the DSA to vote Republican but can't help keep referring to them with a slur.
>>2891854The fascists embraced the authority principle. Fascism says you must obey. Why? Doesn't matter, the principle of obedience is the important thing.
>>2891863>some are docked for maintenance and refurbishment at any given time, even in 'peace time'.Correct. Basically for every carrier at sea, one is docked for maintenance. It's why the U.K. built two carriers when it decided to keep having them. Also the scheduling is done years in advance because a carrier can be at sea for six months while another is in dock. But I'm not sure how it works when the president orders two or three carriers somewhere and they have to pull them from different combatant commands.
>>2892023>who said he's the next coming of แดuแดlossnW. I said is he the closestYeah แดuแดlossnW was a lot smarter and really serious about taking over his country. Thing is that Haz is really bad at detecting which ways the winds are blowing. I think he predicted that the DSA would collapse and Fuentes and his following would radicalize and be this big thing, so the ACP would rise in America on the other end, but the opposite has happened, the DSA has grown while Fuentes has moderated himself. Just a very telescoped view of what seems to be happening at a particular time extrapolated out. Often in politics what is going to happen in the future is the opposite of what is happening now.
>Normies in weimuttrikkka actively get scared and seize up when you talk about killing as a political solution
>Not even the proletarians who live in 20k a year and deal with shit like drug addiction and job loss will do so much as kill all ZOGbots or strike to the point where it becomes a national security emergency because muh escalating civil war will le hecking turn muh hecking innocent xeople into dnbs and thats le bad
This is basically the only reason why a proletarian revolution doesn't break out in America right this fucking second
>>2891775>True fascism isnt liberal. factually correct statement that leftypol still struggles to comprehend
>>2892180son you type like a polfag. go back
>>2892182Okay but normgroids being perennially socialized and materially incentivized to have a giant phobia of destroying human life is basically the most important reason as to why no war to establish a dotp is happening rn
>>2892184American normoids kill each other and their families and random schoolchildren and churchgoers every single day
>>2892171>Often in politics what is going to happen in the future is the opposite of what is happening now.stealth trvke
>>2891848The right has been doing this since at least Rush Limbaugh. It makes Democrats seethe so it's funny. Kinda like Dengists and calling it the CCP which is actually just as correct but whatever.
>>2892194Murdering, rapist baby killer needs more attention it seems. Might be funny to watch libs fall for it again
>>2892206What do you mean fall for it? We love killing babies
>>2892203Cue footage of Fred Hampton calling poor white proles the n-word since that's how porky treats them.
>>2892063Tbf both of those had a actual real world actions (obviously stretched by the DOJ, but still) that """"proved"""" to the jury that there was an actual """threat"""
I'm pretty sure they're not going to go after posters who type "DEATH TO AMERIKKKA" and then don't even own a gun, that's pretty defensible as free speech. We'll have to be DEEP into the Cool Zone before that happens, and all the savvy posters will have fled the country before then hopefully (and the silver lining is the U$$A will be well into its death throes at that point)
>>2892219how would anyone really know unless they publicized it?
The state is as lazy, stupid, and lethargic as the population it draws on, they literally donโt have the energy to do fascism or whatever
>>2892223Given how well the left publicizes the abduction of immigrants with no real connections, if they started disappearing chronically online leftypoler types I'm sure we'd know about it somehow.
On a similar note, also consider how poorly deportation is going despite allegedly pouring billions into the DHS meat machine. Don't forget that Trump and his cohort barely actually care about immigration and leftists and care more about putting on a show for retarded rightoids while the government working on behalf of techbros continues to loot our tax dollars.
Disappearing irrelevant leftoids is beyond both the abilities and care of the current government. The next Retardlikkklan admin is another story, though, especially if they put in someone who ACTUALLY drinks the Kool aid.
>>2892237It doesnโt mater how much money you throw at an institution if itโs structurally dysfunctional, America spends more on education than any G7 nation and 20% of its population is functionally illiterate.
>>2892228>israel listens to trumpfor how long lol
>>2892241I give it 48 hours
>>2892245Thatโs literally how he brought the Young Patriots into the Rainbow Coalition, itโs literally a scene in Judas and the Black Messiah iirc
>>2892244the US empire's exorbitant privilege relies on the petrodollar which relies on the US dollar being the global reserve currency and not backed by any precious metal, but only
the "trust" placed in it the 800 bases enforcing US imperialism. since that military advantage is going away so is the currency hegemony. they have to prepare the public for more austerity so they are coping that the exorbitant privilege was bad for us all along. in a way that's kind of correct. it was "bad for us" in a "good times make weak men" chud mindset way.
>>2892249I watched that movie when it came out but I don't remember that scene. It was so focused on the guy who betrayed him I was kind of disappointed. I mean I should have realized since it was in the title.
>>2892241until israeli elections are over, trumps been withholding his endorsement to get big yahu to do what he wants lol
>>2892203so this is it? this is american dream? to dance like a clown for the rest of the world to get a discount for basic goods?
>>2892250well, it is consistent with magas obsession with re-industralizing. reserve currency means the dollar always is very strong, and a strong currency is incompatible with export economies. it has to be one way or another, and I think maga is stupid enough to commit to re-industrialization to continue competition with china over doubling down on the old eurodollar/reserve currency regime even if there are consequences of doing so. its tacit omission that the world order is changing and not necessarily in americas favor at least in my view
>>2892255Pretty sure Teachers already had a "fundraising" thing where they had to crawl on the floor and collect money while people threw dollars at them.
>>2892256>well, it is consistent with magas obsession with re-industralizing. reserve currency means the dollar always is very strong, and a strong currency is incompatible with export economies. yep
>it has to be one way or another, well, just looking at capitalist reforms, since no proletarian revolution is on the horizon in the next 2 weeks (lol), we could have one global currency not monopolized by any one country to prevent wars but abrahamoids would call that the mark of the beast or whatever and freak out. Bancor getting shot down was a big tragedy after WW2. Same with the US and UK shooting down the ITC's suggestion to maintain 100% employment for all able bodied adults. US and UK called that socialistic because it would prevent a reserve army of scabs from forming.
>and I think maga is stupid enough to commit to re-industrialization to continue competition with china over doubling down on the old eurodollar/reserve currency regime even if there are consequences of doing so. its tacit omission that the world order is changing and not necessarily in americas favor at least in my viewyes. i agree. that's why i'm always shilling Ben Norton and Michael Hudson videos on here because I think he's right about this stuff.
>>2892255you'll like it and maybe next week they'll make you striptease for the discount.
>>2892244The dollar as the global reserve currency increases demand for it, so you get a strong dollar, which makes imports cheap, but domestic industries lose their competitive advantage while increasing the trade deficit. It's a similar kind of theory that led to the Plaza Accord which appreciated the yen relative to the dollar and reduced Japanese exports:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Accord(This famous poster was from the National Association of Manufacturers btw)
>>2892251I might be misremembering or confusing it with a documentary on Fred Hampton tbh
>>2892263hold on let me crack open my edward gibbon and figure this out
Fiasco in the Factory: Taxpayers Funded a $533 Million Artillery Plant That Made Nothinghttps://www.propublica.org/article/general-dynamics-artillery-factory-failedReporting Highlights
<Ready, Fire, Aim: In a rushed process exempted from normal rules, the Army hired General Dynamics, which brought on a Turkish subcontractor with little vetting, to make artillery shells. >Money for Nothing: Despite being paid $533 million, General Dynamics did not produce a single usable shell at its new factory โ and has not been held publicly accountable. <Wages of Failure: Since the Army halted two production lines at the factory, the General Dynamics unit responsible for the debacle has received contract awards totaling $2.5 billion. >>2892239My point exactly. They wouldn't need to so heavily publicize the prairieland affair and how everyone involved for 50+ years if they could just do that to everyone. They're absolutely hoping that making an example out of a case they can stretch to have legal footing will dissuade the more paranoid (that they'd have a much harder time convicting) away from doing anything. Not to say we won't get any more show trials (we absolutely will, especially on the lead up to both upcoming elections) but we're not quite at black bagging political dissedents yet.
>>2892263We haven't quite reached Diocletian just yet
>>2892275>Fiasco in the Factory: Taxpayers Funded a $533 Million Artillery Plant That Made Nothingand this is why it doesn't matter how much tariffs you throw at china or how much you weaken the global reserve currency, if porky just keeps grifting public money to make nothing then you're gonna get nothing lmfao
>>2892263Trump is very Caligula, but he is also very Nero
How is class struggle supposed to work in a service economy again?
>>2892279Yeah. There are only two enforcement mechanisms currently at work in the US, the market and the courts. As long as General Dynamics or whoever are profiting, then no artillery shells are going to be made.
>>2892275GOODbaron robbers doing anti-war praxis.
>>2892263I've made the comparison before, but Trump might be similar to a Julian the Apostate figure. Granted, while you can read Julian as a tragic figure and certainly intelligent, he ultimately was a reactionary. He was a figure that wanted to "turn back the clock" as it were and represented the last dying embers of a culture that'd been relegated to the hinterlands. Like the very term "Paganism" was rooted in a negative depiction of rural Roman subjects, "hicks" in a word.
Trump's trying to revive the superstructure of this Boomer patriotism, and where Julian was obsessed with restoring old Pagan religious practices and Temples, Trump is desperately trying to coat everything in gold and build monuments that are big and gaudy and symbolic of America returning to some "golden age" or whatever, and he's a joke for it, much like how some Christians treated Julian.
Like one old story had Julian mocked for wearing a beard after being cleanshaven had grown more popular in the Empire, and it rattled him bad enough to hire bards to write about how its not the outside that counts but his "pagan virtue" that should be seen.
>>2892281you think people don't need daycare workers, nurses, teachers, chefs, waiters, janitors, delivery drivers, truckers?
>>2892235>they literally donโt have the energy to do fascism or whateverbitchass post are you fr?
literally this year they killed the religious leader of another country and kidnapped a president?
>>2892281>How is class struggle supposed to work in a service economy again?if daycare workers all went on strike nobody would have a place to park their kids when they go to work
if nurses all went on strike nobody would be around to wipe grandma's ass or put grandpa's catheter in or pull glass shards out of your drunk driver or pull bullets out of your cop victims
if teachers all went on strike there'd be nobody to teach your kids how to do read or write or do basic math needed for almost every job
if chefs went on strike you'd always have to cook your own food
if janitors went on strike every public place would be covered in trash and every public toilet would be clogged with shit
if delivery drivers went on strike you couldn't get no more doordash or grocery delivery for your paralyzed mother in law across town
if truckers and sailors went on strike you wouldn't get any imported commodities and have to make them all yourself.
it turns out commodity production and service work are two parts of a whole.
>>2892290>fascism is when the US government does the bad shit it's always done since before แดuแดlossnW and hitler were even bornif fascism is just when reactionary people do reactionary things then the entire world has always been fascist
>>2892293I laid out a number of characteristics and particular criterias here:
>>2891879the anticommunist and reactionary part is also included in the list as it's a reply to
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>>2892298>>2892300those are fair characteristics
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