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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

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https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
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https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
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Advocating for nuclear war should be a bannable offense.

>>2901144
Dude, Europe lives under rampant capitalism. Of course they can starve, even with full shelves. In fact, majority of famines happened with enough food in granaries to distribute evenly and avoid deaths

>>2901578
The secret protocols of SMO stipulate the total collapsing of Nato and EU.

>>2901532
>The USSR decided to commit ritual suicide on itself so of course the Americans weren't going to respect any agreements about NATO expansion.
The problem with this take is that said suicide almost certainly would have happened without this agreement, even counter-revolutionaries like Yeltsin wouldn't have been so eager to dissolve the USSR if they could see that as soon as 1997 NATO would start discussing expansion, let alone the current circumstances.

But even despite that, why the fuck not? The threat of the balance being tipped in the Cold War was nuclear war and the Russian Federation still had all the nuclear weapons the USSR did.

It's not me soyjacking about legal niceties, it's yourself and most other libs thinking "we had our fingers crossed behind our backs and we're very smart" is at all relevant to why NATO expansion was a reckless act of war.

>>2901547
>A couple of boomers felt humiliated because NATO inflated and touched "their" clay.
This was a plausible take circa 2004, but given NATO expansion had progressed to NATO armed Neo-Nazis launching missiles at Russian speakers right on the Russian border (ditto this provoking an invasion that NATO celebrates as fantastic news for how many Russian soldiers are dying compared to how many uniformed NATO troops), it simply no longer is.

But that just demonstrates how long this plan has been in the making for NATO, that the defensive takes everyone has do date to 1999 and are unchanged 20 years later despite NATO expanding into a country where prior to "opening the door" most people were Russian speakers day-to-day and most people were opposed to NATO membership.

>>2901681
I also like how nato is justified as a purely defensive alliance against Russia, while nato went on a 30 year world tour of destruction, and the country they're supposedly afraid of starting shit's last of threatening military actions are
>internal civil war
>intervening in georgia which even the us said was justified
>seizing crimea after a western backed coup d'etat installed genocidal nazis in kiev

And it's even funnier because Russia is doing exactly what posters here are claiming they wanted Venezuela, Iran, Syria, and other targets of us imperialism to do. Nafo shills itt cry about how Russian oligarchs and nato oligarchs are the same, but that's obviously not true because we're seeing right now what happens when nato brings your country into compliance in Syria, Venezuela, Iraq, and especially the former Ukraine.

It's as black and white a conflict as you can get with nato on one side and Russia on the other. Pretending to care about Russian lives while licking nato boots is pure dissembling.

>>2901784
The issue is that Russia is hitting ukraine which isn't even in nato while supporting nato countries and israel. Their their rulling class is mostly sperging about hohols and bandera doing trench warfare in donbass like it's 2014 instead of actually attacking west. Nato is routinely bombing moscow. If the EU didn't sanction russia they would still give them free gas. This war is black and white yes but like cuckold porn

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>>2901807
are these supposed to be human remains? because those are some pretty big ribs. also this jawbone looks like it's from an ungulate

>>2901821
Yes, yes, you are so much more radical than me. Oh, how counter-revolutionary I am… For not backseating a capitalist power.

>>2901821
>The issue is that Russia is hitting ukraine which isn't even in nato

Liberal paper worship out of control itt. "Where's the treaty where nato promised not to expand? Where's the treaty that says Ukraine is part of nato?" Get real dumbass. Ukraine being a part of nato in every single way except autographing nato's bootlicker yearbook isn't fooling anybody.

>>2901821
>and israel.
Gotta abandon this line eventually, simply because you committing suicide and therefore no longer paying taxes does a lot more for the citizens of Palestine, than Russia losing in Ukraine.

Ukraine collapse status?

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>>2901944
buttocks status?

NYT: Here is why the CIA boss went to Moscow

<New information has emerged regarding the CIA director's visit to Moscow.


<US Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe made a surprise trip to Moscow on Tuesday to meet with the leadership of his Russian counterpart, the security service FSB. In recent days, it had been rumored that the purpose of Ratcliffe's trip was to deliver a warning to Russia against attacking NATO countries.


<The New York Times (NYT) reports that Ratcliffe's trip was specifically tied to the war in Ukraine—just as US President Donald Trump stated earlier.


<Ratcliffe personally delivered the CIA's current assessment of the Ukraine war situation to FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov, the NYT writes. At the same time, Ratcliffe urged the Russians to make a peace agreement before Russia's military and economic situation collapses.


<Reportedly, Ratcliffe did not meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin, but according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, the president was briefed on the content of the discussions. According to the New York Times, delivering the assessment came with no strings attached; Ratcliffe did not issue ultimatums about what would happen if President Putin does not act on the assessment's recommendations.


<Ratcliffe had also held discussions with his Ukrainian colleagues before going to Moscow, meaning the visit was not a surprise to Ukraine.


Why use the intelligence channel?

<The central question regarding Ratcliffe's visit is why the director of the CIA approached Russia, rather than President Trump's special envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, or Secretary of State Marco Rubio.


<According to the New York Times, there are a few reasons:


<First, the Ukrainians consider Ratcliffe, a "Russia hawk," to be a more impartial negotiator toward Russia than Witkoff and Kushner, whom the Ukrainians view as too sympathetic to Russia.


<Second, some officials believe Putin, a former KGB intelligence officer, assigns more weight to a message from the CIA director than to messages delivered through standard diplomatic channels.


<Third, Trump likely wanted to try one last resort to reach a peace agreement by using the intelligence channel, as communication lines between the CIA, FSB, and Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) have remained open despite the war. Ratcliffe also carries specific weight as CIA director; Trump has used him as a "discreet messenger" before, most recently in Cuba in May.


<Another reason may be that the CIA wanted to provide Russia with an accurate picture of the war's status, as it is not completely certain how sugarcoated the information being given to President Putin is.


<It remains unclear, however, whether delivering Ratcliffe's message influenced or will influence Putin, or if he will continue the war.

>>2902002
Seems like USA fears collapse of Russian society due to nuclear stability while EU is looking forward of Russian balkanization.

>>2902002
What that rat went to Moscow to do was first to beg for a ceasefire and then threaten the Russians. He if anything knows that Ukraine is fucked and needs a breather so that they can send more weapons and capture more meat to hold the line. Iran isn't much better for the US and Russia keeps supporting them.

Now t hey are spinning some imaginary "Russia is gonna Invade baltics farce" that Ratcliffe's hardfaced visit will eventually heroically prevent, just so that the yanks can save face and Europeans can further warmonger. Because nobody is believing this "routine visit between colleagues" done by a unannounced cargo plane flight to Moscow.

>>2902002
He went to Moscow to pick up the spooks Russia captured in Ukraine.

>>2902002
What does the us have left to threaten them with short of a nuclear exchange?

>>2902198
> Ukraine is fucked and needs a breather

yeah yeah we know, scraping barrels, collapse after bakhmut, running out of shells, everyone leaving the country and the rest


Black women visits the Baltics, is shocked at their racism and nazism

>>2901547
Well see here is where the Nafoid analogies between Putin and American right-wingers fail. When Putin came to power he didn't really have a well working thing. He deferred to experts a lot, which makes him a genuinely conservative politician in the sense that he is afraid to do anything that moves fast most of the time. The American ones actually do have a working country but they want to smash existing things and do something else.

>>2902433
>trigger warning: nuance
the state of radlibbery
still would though

>>2900603
>>2900617
That was a nothingburger btw. U.S. government lowers its flags at night and raises them in the morning (unless you shine a light on it).

>>2902473
Completely retarded to compare a fascists dictator who tortures and murders any opposition to american liberals pretending to be conservative.

>>2902534
>fascists dictator who tortures and murders any opposition
That fascist dictator gave up Navalny to German healthcare system at the first signs of Navalny being ill, lmao

>>2902535
After FSB poisoned him with a chemical weapon.

>>2902536
Nobody poisoned him with anything, medical expertise declared that he had some elderly shit

>>2902536
>>2902540
Oh, and by the way, "novichok" nonsense is what British glowies are doing, they just have a habit of blaming Russia for it

>>2902541
>>2902540
>>2902536
Novichok was incredible
>It's like a million times deadlier than VX Nerve gas, a single drop of it can wipe out entire cities! Its use is extremely high risk, we are all at risk of dying horribly due to Russian agents!
>But Russia keeps failing to kill their targets with it, because they're just incompetent

Another ammo depot in Kiev “accidentally” placed next to residential areas went bang.

>>2902561
The laws of chemistry work differently in Russia. Their dark, orcic energy only allows their chemical industry to produce a single kind of poisonous substance that has a Russian name. If examine this molecule under a microscope, you will see that it actually has arms and legs and it regularly performs that Russian squat dance, when it isn't playing Counter-Strike.

>>2902002
>Ratcliffe urged the Russians to make a peace agreement before Russia's military and economic situation collapses
The reason why a member of a state apparatus would go to another country to ask them for peace which is physically dangerous, puts you under suspicion among your own and humiliates the country whose interests you represent is because your country has been doing so well fighting the war that you started getting concerned if the defeat of your enemy won't hurt them too much. Maybe the real friends are the mortal enemies we have been meaning to conquer for about a century or more. As Sun Tzu said: when you see your enemy making a mistake, start begging them to stop immediately.

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>>2902652
It was also developed in a KGB laboratory X!

https://newlinesmag.com/essays/drink-me-the-kremlins-long-evil-history-of-poisoning-its-enemies/

Let's see the poisons:

>In short order, the poisons were exported for use against Russian political exiles, starting with Gen. Alexander Kutepov, a tough anti-Bolshevik and a veteran of the Russian Civil War, and the head of the military wing of the anti-Soviet émigré organization ROVS (Russian All-Military Union). In January 1930, a bystander saw Kutepov snatched from the streets of Paris by four unknown assailants and injected with something; he was shuffled into a car and driven off, never to be seen or heard from again.


Inject with something and abduct! Classic poisoning scheme!

>Stalin soon had Yagoda arrested and accused, ironically, of poisoning several prominent Russians including Yagoda’s predecessor, Vyacheslav Menzhinsky, as well the famous Russian writer Maxim Gorky


Stalin poisoned Gorky!!!1

>Although the Soviet secret services dispensed with Mairanovsky, they didn’t give up on his weapon of choice. In 1959, Stepan Bandera, leader of the Ukrainian independence movement, was shot on the streets of Munich with a bullet filled with a cyanide


Poisoned with a cyanide bullet!

>And the research never stopped. In 1978, a Bulgarian dissident, Georgi Markov, was famously killed after an assassin stuck an umbrella point into his leg, injecting him with a pellet filled with ricin, a poison found naturally in castor beans and therefore somewhat easy to manufacture, making its point of origin harder to uncover.


Only actual poisoning, lmao

>It was a period of guns, bombs, and missiles, but not poisons. The lone exception to this rule involved Novichok, which was used against a Russian financier in a purely commercial dispute. The killers had bribed one of the scientists who’d formerly worked on the Soviet program to manufacture a small dose – the rare instance of a state actor being seconded by non-state actors to deploy the nerve agent.


It must have been novichok!!!1

>In March 2002, he was hiding in the mountains of the North Caucasus, surrounded by his bodyguards, and was expecting a letter from Saudi Arabia. To prevent being tracked by the FSB, Khattab communicated only via couriers, much as Osama bin Laden later did in Pakistan. The FSB had recruited one of them and poisoned an intercepted letter with a nerve agent, whose toxins were released slowly upon contact. The letter was delivered. Khattab opened it, read it, and threw it into a campfire. Three days later, he suddenly started foaming at the mouth. In a few hours, he was dead.


OBVIOUSLY it was Russia who poisoned a Chechen warlord!

>ow they’d die horrible, agonizing deaths that would torment their friends and families. It was right out of Stalin’s textbook


Disregard Stlain's methods as described before, lol

>Politkovskaya had drunk a cup of tea on the plane and lost consciousness. It was widely assumed she’d been poisoned so as to stop her from reporting live from the massacre. She survived, only to be fatally shot outside her apartment building two years later.


Novichok killed her with a bullet two years later! No relation to being a frequent visitor to a circle of people famous for being good with human rights and not responsible for any terrorist acts, nonono


Then:
>Even President Trump, it was reported, was chilled by the sight of lifeless Syrian children following the Assad regime’s use of chemical weapons in Douma in April 2018, an attack which led to a U.S. and UK military response against the facilities which manufactured and distributed those weapons.

Fun fact: it was proven that the ones committing massacre were false-flagging anti-Assadists

>When Litivineko was irradiated in London, a popular Russian newspaper claimed he’d succumbed to his own criminal business activity – namely that he’d tried to hawk radioactive materials on the black market and had accidentally killed himself with them. Many Russians found that theory credible. More than a decade hence, at the height of Salisbury’s containment in 2017, Russian state television was fond of insisting that Sergei and Yulia Skripal weren’t poisoned at all; rather, their entire ordeal was just a hoax orchestrated by British intelligence. Why? Because the Skripals, then under close British government guard, were never carted out before the cameras.


>To a paranoid and distrustful Russian audience, victim-blaming comes easily, and thus the target of state poisoning is attacked twice: first physically, then reputationally.


You don't believe our conspiracy theories? You are paranoid and distrustful! Why would we lie to you on the internet?!

>>2902657
>In 2015, opposition politician Vladimir Kara-Murza, who has lobbied incessantly for the passage of anti-Kremlin U.S. sanctions, suddenly fell into a coma in Moscow and spent weeks unconscious in hospital. The Russian doctors first alleged his sudden illness was brought on by a dangerous combination of sedatives, nasal sprays and alcohol. Most Americans, with their long history of antidepressant use, would have seen right through such a feeble misdiagnosis. But to an ordinary Russian, it sounded plausible. Kara-Murza thus went from victim to irresponsible self-medicator and boozer. He was poisoned a second time, in 2017, while traveling in Russia.
<Most Americans, with their long history of antidepressant use, would have seen right through such a feeble misdiagnosis.

>Using Novichok or polonium means leaving a calling card. And yet, built right into this stark attribution of Kremlin responsibility are also the ingredients for conspiratorial denial. The West knows right away whodunit. Russians, meanwhile, are invited to consider that the culprit could be anyone and everyone except Putin.


"Conspiratorial denial". Conspiracy theory is when you deny outrageous claims, and not when you insist on them, duh

A funny cameo type of shit:

>Russian writer Maxim Gorky and his son Max Peshkov. During the Trial of the Twenty-One in 1938, NKVD chief Genrikh Yagoda admitted that he poisoned Gorky and his son and unsuccessfully tried to poison his own deputy (and eventual successor) Nikolai Yezhov. The attempted poisoning of Yezhov was later officially dismissed as falsification, but Vyacheslav Molotov believed that the poisoning accusations were true. Yagoda was never officially rehabilitated (recognized as an innocent victim of political repressions) by Soviet authorities.[5]


This shit about Molotov probably quotes his memoirs, which weren't actually written by him or from his words at all, i.e. Felix Chuyev wrote memoirs based off rumours at the time.

Also, >>2902657 this shit alleged that it was Stalin who poisoned Gorky.

>The first democratically elected President of the Republic of Georgia, Zviad Gamsakhurdia. According to former Deputy Director of Biopreparat Ken Alibek, this laboratory was possibly involved in the design of an undetectable chemical or biological agent to assassinate Gamsakhurdia.[34] BBC News reported that some Gamsakhurdia friends believed he committed suicide, "although his widow insists that he was murdered."[35]


Friends believe he committed suicide, widow insists on him being murdered. it was the opposite for Bandera, authorities and family declared that he suicided himself, but friends insisted that a Ukrainian nationalist would never kill himself, he must have been poisoned!!1

>>2902002
>Another reason may be that the CIA wanted to provide Russia with an accurate picture of the war's status, as it is not completely certain how sugarcoated the information being given to President Putin is.
This line annoys me simply because it suggests the average NYT reader is more knowledgeable about how the conflict is going than the leader (and their head of intelligence) of one side does.

My guess is that this involves the CIA because the situation with Patriot missiles (or more accurately, the lack of them) is likely becoming a problem for the US. It's not a good look to expose that the US cannot make enough to defend client states let alone themselves, especially given the US bases that have exploded in the Middle East recently.

I'm sure therefore this is just yet another attempt to get Russia to agree to some sort of ceasefire, so the lack of Patriot missiles can stop making headlines and they've sent the CIA director to try to give some guarantees that Ukraine won't just immediately break the ceasefire this time, which obviously he can't regardless of what vice they claim to have on Zelensky's balls to deter him.

You can imagine how it's a threat to "national security" if US troops find themselves in le drone warfare and believe (or understand) that the US is out of AA missiles to protect them.

>>2902669
yo give me money or youre aristocrat

>>2902657
>In short order, the poisons were exported for use against Russian political exiles, starting with Gen. Alexander Kutepov, a tough anti-Bolshevik and a veteran of the Russian Civil War, and the head of the military wing of the anti-Soviet émigré organization ROVS (Russian All-Military Union). In January 1930, a bystander saw Kutepov snatched from the streets of Paris by four unknown assailants and injected with something; he was shuffled into a car and driven off, never to be seen or heard from again.

Based

There is no consistent defence of Russia's actions that doesn't fall into braindead campism. The national security excuse doesn't work because Russia has nuclear weapons, no one can invade it. The "Ukraine was subverted by Nazis" argument is blatant hypocrisy because American actions against Iran have also caused Iran to become hyper-reactionary, yet the Americans are rightly still considered the bad guys while Russia is apparently post-hoc justified in attacking Ukraine because Ukraine became reactionary in response to Russia trying to dominate it. There's no way that argument can fly without unironically saying it's only bad when the Americans do it, which is a nationalist/tirbalist argument that I'm not interested in indulging. Being reactionary against a country you don't like doesn't make being reactionary a good thing.

>>2902848
"anti-campism" in practice is tacit support for NATO. this is easy to see because the "anti-campists" never demonstrate against their own camp, whereas the "campists" are the ones actually out there pointing out NATO hypocrisy

>>2902865
I'm not pro-NATO though, it's an American protection racket, that's fucking obvious. Ukraine was stupid A) to want to join and B) to think they'd be allowed to join (they won't). That doesn't mean the Russians are allowed to kill them as Ukraine being idiotic is not a threat to Russia.

>>2902848
>muh campism

Jesus Christ, Russia at will destroyed 90% of warehouses in Ukraine

>Despite the fact that the enemy destroyed about 90% of the warehouses of retail chains, Ukrainians will not be left without food.


>This was stated by the Minister of Agrarian Policy of Ukraine Taras Vysotsky during a conversation with journalists, Ukrinform reports.


>“Today, roughly 90% of food logistics by retail chains has been destroyed, but at the same time, this does not mean that Ukrainians will be left without food. There will be shift logistics, as they say, with wheels, other options for operational supply. That is, there will be no threat of hunger and a systemic physical shortage of food, “ Vysotsky assured.


How is this even possible

>>2902929
being "allowed" doesn't really matter. the war is a fact of life now, and the longer NATO is kept in it the better. it keeps NATO from harming other countries, notably Korea and China. Ukraine, and Iran, are lightning rods. both wars must be kept going for a long as possible

>/ukr/.. it's finished
>No, I think we're just getting started
>>2903067
>>2903067
>>2903067

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You did it again, campists. Iceland have fallen.


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