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Ziggers btfo yet again — 5 years of 'second army of the world' and Ukraine still has a functioning steel plant churning out metal for shells like it's a Monday morning.
Russia's strategy:
Day 1: 'Kyiv in 3 days'
Year 5: 'We hit a substation near a plant… it's operational again next week'
ArcelorMittal workers literally eating borscht next to blast furnaces while ruSSian missiles fly like drunk pigeons. 'Precision strikes' — more like precision cope.
Imagine having the world's biggest nuke stockpile and struggling to shut down a factory that's older than your grandpa. Soviet-era equipment outlasting Putin's military strategy. Embarrassing.
Cucktin sitting in his bunker, looking at maps, pressing the 'missile' button like a toddler with a TV remote, and still can't finish the job. Meanwhile, Ukraine's metallurgists are out-producing ruSSia's entire defense sector with duct tape and MIG welding.
Stay mad, zigger mains. The furnace stays on. The shells keep coming. And your '3-day operation' just hit its 1,000th day of coping. Get rekt.
>>2893571>liberal third worldistsIs there some other kind?
>>2893571this is like those wierd zionists who claim israel is a national liberation struggle like the Kurds against islamic imperialism.
>>2893574The only ""people""(they're all snakes) that claim to be above the Left-Right dichotomy are all right-wingers. Always. All the time.
>>2893570>Meanwhile, Ukraine's metallurgists are out-producing ruSSia's entire defense sector with duct tape and MIG welding.What is this cope? What are Ukrops producing? Missiles that are basically copies of soviet missiles and chinese fpv drones? What tanks are they making, what planes? Tell us.
2 more weeks. TRVZZZT THE PLAN
>>2893571Again, another example why sparing such people is to no avail and serves nobody.
>>2893571That's AI btw, I mean the text, not the account.
>>2893585like someone said "not to the right nor left means not to the left and not to the left"
>>2893730
>We
Cringe
>civilizational division
What
>occupied
No
>we broke free
The USA had to implant back their former nazis families they extracted from the east during ww2 in order to put them in charge of former warsaw pact countries, if that's freedom then I'm Santa Claus
>>2893585Quote Marx where he says he's a "leftist" (or "right winger", for that matter).
>>2893730
>when ww2 ended we were occupied by hostile soviet forces
You weren't, though. Communist sympathisers were the majority of population, and on top of that, Soviet troops prevented reactionaries from starting a civil war.
>>2893730>>2894003Oh, and communists won elections fair and square, which is why reactionaries wanted to start a civil war. Communists would have won in France, too, if not for Americans literally demanding a ban on communist parties as a prerequisite for economic assistance. Soviets never banned liberals in "occupied" Europe
>>2893999Political Factions in France<From The Class Struggles in France, 1848 to 1850, referring to the parliamentary bloc in the French Legislative Assembly:"In vain was Hautpoul's direct challenge, issued to the Left in the Legislative Assembly itself, to betake itself to the streets, and his declaration that the government was ready to receive it. Hautpoul received nothing but a call to order from the President, and the party of Order, with silent, malicious joy, allowed a deputy of the Left to mock Bonaparte's usurpatory longings." https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1850/class-struggles-france/ch03.htmPolitical Factions in Germany<From Neue Rheinische Zeitung (June 1848), analyzing competing manifestos within the Frankfurt National Assembly:"At first sight the two manifestos appear to be almost identical except in form, as the Radical-Democratic Party has a clumsy editor and the Left a skillful one. […] We encounter once more this greater latitude and flexibility in the demands of the Left compared with the demands of the Radical Party. The Left wants 'an executive central authority elected by the National Assembly for a definite period and responsible to it.'" https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/06/07.htmPhilosophical Movements<From The German Ideology (1845), critiquing the radical "Left" faction of Hegelian philosophers (whom Marx explicitly labeled the "Young Hegelians"): "The Old Hegelians had comprehended everything as soon as it was reduced to an Hegelian logical category. The Young Hegelians criticised everything by attributing to it religious conceptions or by pronouncing it a theological matter… The Young Hegelians are in agreement with the Old Hegelians in their belief in the rule of religion, of concepts, of a universal principle in the existing world. Only, the one party attacks this dominion as usurpation, while the other extols it as legitimate." https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htm >>2894041>3rd picWhat even is this book? We know that, historically, Nazis lost all elections and only got ahead by the massive lobbying from the bourgeoisie.
>>2894046It's from Mein Kampf. Just proof that people don't read fucking anything these days. I read it in fucking high school in order to rape some retarded Libertarians in my school who kept insisting Hitler was "left wing".
>>2893571>>2893573>>2893574>>2893628have you ever talked to "'"'leftists'"'" from ukraine, living in or outside ukraine?
I have. Many times. on X, threads, instagram, facebook, other imageboards like 2ch.
every conversation reduces to:
>all communist parties banned in ukraine are red fascists(TM)>all left parties banned in ukraine are paid by Russia>who cares about bandera. only you care about bandera. are you the actual bandera lover? (ukraine has at least 5 plazas/squares named bandera for stephan bandera, at least 400 street named bandera for stephan bandera)>who cares that zalushny was chief commander of the army (never ask them when will one of theirs be the CCA)>they will flaunt you picrel or similar as proof of some left movement inside ukraine.>if you speak good enough english, you'll get accused of 'living at the heart of the empire (us), ergo: no right to speak (kiev streets nearby the center of powers are named after US regime political figures like john mccain street)>'OH YEAH? WE CANCELLED EVERY LEFTIST PARTY IN UKRAINE? BUT WHAT ABOUT RUZZHHHHHIA? (they shield any criticism deflecting to Russia) but ->>if you mention the tens, hundreds of leftist and communists parties, organizations, activists, still standing in Russia: 'THEY ARE ALL KREMLIN STOOOGES' (tm)>☝️ they want to have the arguments both ways: Russia jails and bans some parties here and there, they are the TRUE COMMUNISTS (TM) -> the rest are stooges because they aren't setting ablaze the state ( but will never address that they don't have anything - they are the ones that didn't stop banderite takeover).besides the eternal
>'no living in ukraine no right to speak' (I know for a fact, a couple saying this didn't live in ukraine by the time they said that, they weren't living there)once you prove them that you know ukraine even more than they do, they get really upset, and like the moron that comes around here and there sometimes, will say: 'why are you obsessed'?
they can't grasp how much one can hate nazis, and for the state of ukraine, they are the breeding ground of nazism in europe: they are integrated to the state through the military branch - fuc even the 'Russian Volunteer Corps' (vlasovites) are
fully integrated to their army, they'll get forever resources to go and spread their nazism, with eu money.
they eventually end up blocking you, which is funny really. they lose their shit, because they pretend they are lecturing with condescending and smug attitudes to someone blissfully ignorant that formed his opinions through maga or something like that.
>>2894050Ironically enough, you bit into the same thing Hitler (claimed) was doing by putting red on their flag, to troll leftists like you
>>2894055No because I was searching for evidence that Hitler hated the left. The flag point was ancillary it could have been any other fact, of which there were plenty. The NSDAP no longer exists and neo nazis are usually hated by the left for their economic policies first and foremost. Hitler wasn't even right. You'll notice in the passage that he claims the Communists attacked his party as reactionary and that the bourgeoisie attending Hitler's meetings were confused as to why he was using the color of the enemy. That's already proof of how stupid Hitler was in that he spectacularly misdiagnosed why the Communists were attacking his meetings. Rather than making the link between who was attending his meetings (the bourgeoisie, as he himself admits), as well as his proposals, he decided to claim it was the successful provocation of his flag color choice instead. It'd be like Trump making a speech about how Communists hate America because the color red is in the American flag. Like retard who are you even trying to fool? God if these people weren't being backed by capitalists they'd be laughed at as the clowns they are.
>>2893999welcome newfriend.
communism is, in fact, left-wing.
>>2894084
You are lying, because reactionaries would never admit that communist won fair and square. Under nonsense formalities like that contended election where Guaido claimed to be the real president despite every institution opposing his claims, him not getting the votes he wanted, and elections called fair by all the observers. This was the same for Poland, reactionaries called fair elections as rigged and chimped out, and westoid history - and wikipedia - chose their position over truth.
>>2893625Whatever they make is clearly working at least. The russians cant even hit a damn steel factory with their gear in 5 years…
>>2894122>>2894122lmao.
True Ukranian Anon.
>>2894095
>election where Guaido claimed to be the real president despite every institution opposing his claims, him not getting the votes he wanted, and elections called fair by all the observers.
Stop being stupid
>>2893730
>we were occupied by hostile soviet forces
wouldn't it be because many of you sided with the nazis, even as they hated you for being Slavs and would have committed a genocide after completely destroying the USSR, even as you were occupied by them, you absolute buffoon?
>>2894089>election where Guaido claimed to be the realhe didn't even win an election. he just went to a plaza and proclaimed himself president. lmao.
wikipedia and western reactionaries claimed he had the rightful powers and legal tools to do rightfully so, there you are right.
>>2894054good effortpost, dont get what they are trying to do by appropriating leftwing/anticolonial language, that shit doesnt work on either side
>>2894054So ukranian leftists can't be magacommunists about their country but other countries can? Can I hate all nationalists?
>>2894265They are not magacommunists even by a stretch. The only legit group I know is the RFU (Worker Front of Ukraine) and they are barely functional irl, and try not to even mention the war. Cucktin really was a dumbass. But then again he is dealing with Ukraine. It's a country that will hate itself, talk shit about how miserable and corrupt they are, speak Russian, be Russian in all but name but then if you take their rants to their logical conclusion, they will flip on a dime and become hardcore nationalists so fast it will give you whiplash. I have seen Ukrainians switch from pro-soviet views to total commie death and total katsap death all in the course of a couple months. Scary shit tbh.
>>2894220He is right. Cucktin cannot admit that all of the west is now supporting Ukraine because they hate everything about Russia. The same way leftychuds hate anyone who voices anti-LGBT opinions (except gorkyposters for some reason). It's remarkable to watch the cope from Martyanov and hardcore Russia shills. Even Duran has started to warn Russia that they are playing catchup all too often.
>>2894220I get the feeling that Cucktin will sooner accept defeat from NATO than any path to victory involving socialism.
>>2894301Yeah this. The botox destroyed his brain. Old gobbo wants to live forever just like the island temple man.
>>2894149>Hopefully Putin makes this quick and painless>Posted: Feb. 2022Narrator Voice: Cucktin did not, in fact, make it quick and painless.
>>2894313It was never going to be quick and painless.
>>2894301how is pyutin going to spin a deal with NATO as a victory though?
>>2894352If you paid attention to "The Spirit of Anchorage" and the Russian media's naueseating glazing of Trump and America, then you already know how.
>>2894301Nothing else should be expected from a bourgeois government.
>>2894220>and in some respects Ukraine'uh-huh, he can go live there.
LMAO>He argued that the combination of prolonged war, sanctions, and austerity policies would make it difficult for Russia to achieve annual economic growth of more than 2-2.5%no wonder he was fired, picrel.
>>2894167That's what happened fag
>>2894422Ironically the big drives behind the 'ANARCHIST FOR UKRAINE' nonsense were also russians. It was the BOAK guys, who went on to die in a war over bourgeois borders.
Machismo nonsense. Nothing of value was lost.
>>2894422yup, chychkan's funeral, assaulted by nazis. the police obviously didn't arrest them, because they enjoy state protection.
funfact: chychkan belonged to a long lineage of artists, poets, with a Soviet great grandfather that taught Kiev Art Institute, and the only surviving person that can continue that name is his son, but by the promising outlook zalushny is proposing,
>>2890207>Ukraine's future is tied to security. Anyone who tells you there should be an economy is a charlatan. In the next 50 years, Ukraine will only care about security.I can think that the lineage is about to end.
>>2894451
> subversion of society is russia's main tool of maintaining grip on anyone who still hasn't managed to shake them off
I wish the russians were this based.
>>2894452>>2894422another funfact:
david chychkan once said that the maidan "revolution" was a failed revolution (no shit).
>>2894442
Wrong. WW2 started with Allies giving Hitler whatever he wanted, with Stalin cautioning Allies that this will lead to Germany attacking France and Britain first. He gave them multiple signs that this will happen, yet they still pursued the policy of trying to force Germany to attack USSR, and USSR did whatever was in it's power to prevent world war. Failing this, USSR turtled up and prepared - including offering alliances to every neighbor, Poland as well. Guess what Poland did, though? That's fucking right, spat on Soviet offer and instead tried to make Hitler attack USSR - offering Hitler free passage, which INVALIDATES POLISH MOANS ABOUT HOW USSR WOULD HAVE OCCUPIED POLAND IF SOVIET TROOPS WERE LET THROUGH TO GERMANY
Oh, and by the way, Molotov-Ribbentrop didn't happen, it's literally a forgery that exists in multiple "originals"
>>2894475And this exact willingness to bend over backwars to Hitler by Poland had led to Hitler demanding Danzig - i.e. he was making Poles show by action that they were willing to sacrifice for their alliance with Germans, that Poles weren't going just to sit back while Germany fought Communists.
Oh, and by the way, while Polish officers in USSR's gulags enjoyed vacations and free movement to nearby settlement (as proven by found archival documents of how Polish officer were treated, and by the way, this treatment happened even after supposed "Katyn massacre" in 1940 and 1941), Germans were murdering them en masse. Then Polish government in exile screamed at Soviets for being inhumane and equating Stalin with Hitler
>>2894481Yeah, he is ngmi.
I mean what do they expect lol. That is what the "Idea of the Nation" wolfsangel symbol meant.
>>2894486
They offered Hitler a safe passage, though, and got actually invaded. Correct thing, LMAO
>>2894486
>stalin personal got his ass handed to him
Retard confused stalin with tukhachevsky
>>2894486
You know poland started that war right?
>>2894486
>tried
literal nazi apologia propaganda, lmao.
>>2894486>>2894487https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Polish_declaration_of_non-aggressionPact was signed in 1934 and was supposed to last 10 years.
Oh, and by the way, Polish-Soviet non-aggression treaty was broken by Poland occupying part of Czechoslovakia
>>2894505that's even beside the point. once germany crossed the pole border, the pole government disbanded - in less than an hour. there was no pole state to argue that the USSR was invading another state. free land, for free men!
this enrages every goddamn pole like you have no idea >>2894504
>we stand in the way of worldwide ooga booga
Papiez. Caught you again.
You will not escape this time.
You were still the agressors so stop bitching and moaning about getting your intermarium project shutdown.
>>2894510
>we took back what was our
I guess western Ukraine and Belarus were also yours Marek.
>>2894517
Buddy it ran away to Romania. Come on now.
>>2894520By the time the soviets launched their offensive on Sept 17, there was no organized polish government. It was in transit.
>>2894510
POLAND SIGNED TREATIES WITH USSR, CZECHOSLOVAKIA, AND EVEN BRITAIN AND FRANCE AGREEING TO BORDERS OF EUROPE BEING FINAL, THAT POLAND NO LONGER HAS PRETENSIONS TO ANYBODY IN THE REGION.
Poland got punished for being a degenerate warmonger state that tried to fight it's conquest wars with German hands
>>2894527No wonder that Polish citizens voted overwhelmingly in favor of communists, given that their government brought a real fucking genocide on their heads.
>>2894537
Wrong. Polish citizens voted overwhelmingly in favor of communists, because Polish citizens lived through the results of Polish bourgeois government's warmonger foreign policy, resulting in every 4th Pole dying. It's no surprise at all that "government in exile" lost at democracy
>>2894540
I'm speaking the truth and the fact, though. Communists were even EXPECTED to win, given that reactionaries were arming themselves to attack voting booths, because their candidates were losing public opinion HARD, and they wanted to make sure to win. They didn't, Polish police and military repelled those bandits, resulting in overwhelming communist victory
>>2894537
>but communism is mutually exclusive with polish racial nature
boy, don't you love to get banned for being reactionary?
>>2894530
The government-in-exile was set up on September 30th. Besides, government-in-exile is meaningless. You don't run away from your territory to some other place and claim sovereignty from there. What matters is who is left on the ground. All power comes out of the barrel of a gun.
>Government in exile is the true government
by that logic the american thread on /leftypol/ is the true government of america. apparently all you need for a government is a vague declaration.
40 day Russia surrender status?
>>2894540
What do modern fail children have to do with the Poles that survived WW2?
>>2893571left, right, thirders, western ukrainian or russian they all love war and want rivers of proletarian blood flowing because le nation anyway, total liberal hegemony
btw, something that went under my radar:
kiev just reburied with honors yevhen konovalets, ardent nazi collaborator under the abwher control, the nazi german military intelligence service from 1920 to 1944.
he bragged about meeting hitler twice, to discuss security matters, and where hitler offered sending his ukrainian anti-semite soldier men, the 'sich riflemen', to train at a nazi party school in leipzig.
>In 1934, he demanded harsh action against "mixed marriages with Jews" and described Jews as "enemies of our rebirth.
>He also wrote about "revenge" against "Russian-Jewish reptiles".
>His organization's successors are reported to have been responsible for the mass murder of Jews and the massacre of tens of thousands of Poles in Volhynia in 1941–1943.
>His militants assassinated Polish officials, including the Polish Minister of Internal Affairs, Pieracki, in Warsaw.
>>2894515I should've made the distinction here:
this enrages every goddamn nationalist pole like you have no idea >>2894818I can't believe putin would allow this to happen
>>2894818Where is Champ? Isn't he always the first one to claim that ceremonies honoring Nazis shouldn't be targeted because it would be "too edgy"?
>>2894822>>2894515I thought they were arrested in Romania (their "allies")?
>>2893570Russia is a friend of India and Britain. It wont cripple their factories
>>2894887>Russia is a friend of Britain.I guess that's one sided as Britain supplies long range drones to Ukraine.
>>2894865You rang?
Targeting a funeral for the purpose of killing family members is edgy, and that is how spurdo presents targeting a funeral as worthwhile.
Also this isn’t a funeral, it’s a ceremonial reburial of a long dead Nazi so I doubt the family is in attendance. In any case I’d bet you’d want that ceremonial burying of Nazis to be buried under both rubble and western MSM reports of Russia targeting an “event”. Well nope, there it is, for all to see.
>>2894901>WE ATTACKED UKRAINE TO KILL NAZIS SO ALL REAL COMMUNISTS SHOULD SUPPORT US Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z <Meanwhile le champagne in le leftypol: KILLING NAZIS IS BAD WE SHOULD NEVER TARGET THEMYou can only pick 1 talking point, retard.
>>2894913>Killing women and children by association is good actually Lmao so much of the Cucktin posting over the years really comes down to Russia not acting like Zionists and that no doubt drives anti-campists and other libs fucking mad that they can’t compare Russia to Israel.
Sorry my dude, I don’t think Putin reads this thread. I don’t think you’re going to bait him into bombing funerals no matter how much to try to will that into reality via this thread.
>>2894914how much you try*
>>2894916Not spiteful enough to die for Stinky
>>2894818 (cont.)
during the day of the August 18, zelya paid tribute to yevhen konovalets' new tomb, in what I consider is a nazi pantheon.
boy, I can't wait for zelya to kneel for bandera.
Marta Havryshko posted the following:
>Zelensky is paying tribute to yet another antisemite: Yevhen Konovalets, a Nazi collaborator and leader of the OUN.
>It was under Konovalets’s leadership that the OUN developed its antisemitic agenda.
>In 1934, Konovalets wrote:
>“If nationalism is waging war against mixed marriages insofar as conquerors (especially Poles and Russians) are concerned, then it cannot bypass the problem of mixed marriages with Jews, who are indisputably if not greater, then at least comparable, foes of our rebirth.”
>His own views, together with the antisemitism of other OUN leaders, ultimately found their expression in the pogroms of the summer of 1941 and in collaboration with Nazi Germany during the Holocaust.
>Today, President Zelensky—a man of Jewish descent whose grandfather served in the Red Army, defending Soviet Jews from Nazi extermination—is paying tribute to Konovalets and, through him, to the OUN as a whole.
>Again.
>And once again, Europe will look the other way, pretending that Ukraine has no problem with honoring people who embraced fascist ideology, participated in the Holocaust, and were implicated in mass war crimes against civilians.
>Zelensky’s Jewishness has become a fig leaf for the apologetics of Nazism in Ukraine—met with a standing ovation from the West. >>2894958 (cont)
videos of the procession.
>>2894967Don't worry it's ok that kids and women celebrate Nazis because like Champ said earlier, Women and Children are genetically incapable of becoming Nazis.
>>2894977Kids aren’t able to be responsible for themselves. Calling for bombing children because adults put them in a uniform and told them a thing or two about the world is Zionist behaviour.
>>2894818>>2894967>>2894958cont:
a bunch of nazis present at the nazi pantheon, with the brand new defense minister:
>Drapatyi was accompanied by Denys Prokopenko, commander of the Azov Brigade, and Andriy Biletsky, commander of the Azov-rooted Third Assault Corps — men routinely presented as the military elite of contemporary Ukraine — as well as Dmytro Yarosh, the former Right Sector leader and commander of the Ukrainian Volunteer Army. >>2894967>>2894958>>2894818>>2895026cont.
and of course, zelya posted the full event:
https://nitter.net/ZelenskyyUa/status/2089661660340404533of course, kyrylo 'barbaric invasions' budanov was present, too.
I'm posting the video so you can see a lot of familiar faces of the ukrainian politics assisting to the ceremony. you can identify who are unapologetically nazis.
>>2895054The really sad thing is they’ll definitely escape to the west long before they’re hung upside down in the street. My taxes will be funding the livelihoods of Nazis for a long time unfortunately.
>>2895026Hey question, a jungwelt article translation I read said that "white fuhrer" was there. Is "white rex" just his yankee pr name, or what's going on?
>>2895065It'll be our responsibility to bring the drone war to them.
>>2895094What did the kid do? Make him feel short? Because that guy is really short, I can understand why he loves sending men of average height to the front, but if he was sent then I don't think a drone would be able to catch him. Kind of like playing Oddjob in Goldeneye.
Actually something I've been missing in this years of anons asking why Zelensky and others haven't been killed yet, is the air is permanently watched by NATO radar and Xitter accounts can accurately report when Russia is about to strike.
Killing Zelensky via a missile is dependent on him not receiving an early warning and evacuating. If Russia were to attempt to strike this ceremony, the Banderites are basically guaranteed to be informed either of Russia's plans or of the detected launch, who would then quietly evacuate and leave the women and children to become pink mist in their place.
It's only realistically going to be via an assassin who can get close to Zelensky and his circle, but that seems to be something Zelensky fears already given how many times he has replaced people who'd have direct contact with him.
>>289496740 people max. Normal people must live in a state of fear. No wonder so many ukranians left even far away from the front. They knew these mfs were gonna be in power.
>>2895228>Zionists also have child soldiers among the settlers and any resistance force would not spare them. And it also did not prevent the partisans from using kids (who volunteered consciously) for military operations, knowing they would be executed by the wehrmacht if caught. In this case they’re active combatants, it’s just a fact of life that people aren’t going to allow themselves to be shot dead just because the person firing is a child. But the responsibility would still lie with the adults arming them, regardless of their intentions. That’s all to say it’s not comparable to knowingly launching a missile at children well behind enemy lines because they’ve had Neo-Nazism impressed on them by their parents and/or the state.
>>2895244I completely agree with you.
>>2895228>If a kid kills somebody they are tried as adultsIn backwards countries like the US yeah
>>2895093gimme the article to check. but yeah, biletsky is the 'white fuhrer'.
It's funny how the thread died on the very same day that it broke Russia created a ten kilometer deep breakthrough in Ukraine's lines.
>>2895450alright, my translation tools give me the "white" word. yeah, it's biletsky moniker, white leader, but he's referred in nazi circles in ukraine as white fuhrer, also by historians and people who study fascism and far-right elements. allegedly he doesn't like to be called that way, 'fuhrer' (in german is leader), but since he's the one that will "lead the white peoples of the world in a final crusade for their existence against-semite led subhumans (untermensch)" and he embraced it in a
'The Word of the White Leader' pamphlet he wrote, he can't complain about being called 'white fuhrer' (prolly bullshit).
>>2895453Thank you for the explanation
>>2895099Openly called him what they call TCC recruiters in secret.
Ex-Ukrainian defense chief calls on Zelensky to lift election ban>Mikhail Fedorov says the country should hold a vote despite the ongoing conflict with Russia<“We can find a solution even in this situation, because democracy is not a luxury reserved for peacetime. Democracy is part of what we are fighting for today. But there is another reason why this conversation is needed right now. People cannot live indefinitely in a state where they do not understand why certain decisions are being made”https://swentr.site/russia/644385-ukraine-fedorov-calls-election/So what will it be for Zelensky’s latest challenger? Exile, prison or death?
>>2895559>Equipment losses included in personnel losses>MoD of UkraineUnironically yes, if this is what Ukraine is reduced to for morale.
>>2895094oh shit, the video was already posted.
it's insane. the tcc is justifying this because the kid threw a rock at them.
>>2895604>threw a rock at themclearly an armed combattant,they were merciful too,in gaza you get shot for doing that
>>2895564>Equipment losses included in personnel lossesThats just wrong. Equipment losses are below this stat but not included in screenshot.
>>2895625Then the number is even more redonkulous to claim
Russia importing oil status?
>>2895099How tall do you reckon he is? He doesnt really look short. The vehicle is huge.
>>2895822They have oil. The problem is turning it into gasoline.
who actually bombed nordstream2? yanks or ukrainians?
>>2895828He’s barely taller than a kid who’s what? 13-14?
>>2895833why cant russia into refining?
wouldn't it funny if it is again the same reactionary person that said that poles are… what was that? "genetically incapable of being communists" once again coming back to troll?
>>2895897I wonder what’s in it for them? Probably an obsessive fantasy about what Genetically Stronk Poland would do with Siberia and its oil in an alternate universe.
>>2895940i just like to remind you we've got nothing in common.
to be a russian nationalist / takinkie / soviet apologist requires a certain amount of willingness to separate from reality, seeing you struggle and go to denial when faced with facts is pretty amusing you see
also i am perfectly mentally healthy, definitely not a >them.
thanks for asking
yo chat im lowk in kyiv and we are getting fucked insane
all this bc the western capitalists (strikethrough) our neolib govt doesnt want to end this war btw
>>2896006>also i am perfectly mentally healthy, definitely not a >them.Nah this is a wind up.
>>2896006>go to denial when faced with facts is pretty amusing you seeso, do you wanna get banned again for being a reactionary by lumping all poles into the "genetically incompatibility with communism" category? is that what am I reading?
:^)
>>2896182The problem is, these people's voices aren't heard. what elections have happened recently? none.
and the state has become extremely repressive. last figure I know, and because the government made it public because they want the eu to fund it; and also want to take police officers to the military; the police force across all ukraine is made out of 100,000 individuals. for a country where the population is around 25 million it's insane, where near half are old people, pensioners; the rest are mostly very young people, adults being policed this way is hard. especially if half of those policed have mobilization exemptions: it's easy to grow some solidarity there.
currently the us regime has 2.4 police officers per 1,000 habitants, and it's considered a police state; while for ukraine is 4 per 1,000 habitants. if that's the police, the military figures should be also shadowing.
these people don't stand a chance with a violent takeover or violent uprising against the state financed by eu.
the ones that put ukraine in this situation are evil, if you think about it. they tweak it in a way, it has become a death trap for the people living living them without any chance to take the state back.
>>2896182Bizarre framing. If she’s pleading for her husband to be spared from mobilisation then the existential crisis for their way of life is Banderites refusing to surrender in favour of fighting to the last Ukrainian. Clearly the preference of the civilian here is to retain family members rather than historic clay.
>>2896203A very good sign that a society made of manly ubermenschen uses women for combat
>>2896203It’s a bit more dignified than mobilising them for OnlyFans revenues, I suppose.
>>2896243The meandering narrative between the Ukrainian military having “manpower issues”, Russia losing 40-1 on the battlefield and now women needing to be mobilised to “grow” the military, or more importantly that the vast majority of Westerners being satisfied with this reporting, is probably the most stark example of what Orwell describes nineteen-eighty-four.
“Orwellian” is massively overused and Orwell was a lib but he was right that people will accept anything to avoid being singled out in a political environment where there is simply no allowances for opinions, only state issued facts.
>>2896249And in this case it’s simultaneously believing that Ukraine has manpower issues that must be resolved via givas, drones and mercs, but also it’s actually Russia who has the manpower issues from losing over a million volunteer/professional soldiers and Ukraine’s military can actually easily “grow” to outnumber Russia troops if women are mobilised.
I suppose one could reconcile that by claiming manpower issues are universal, but it’s only one side that has mass conscription and hourly narrative changes about how that’s going for them.
>>2896248If they got arrested by russian authorities, not surprising
>>2896251They're even saying Russia is busifying and forcefully conscripting people. Every accusation is a confession.
<Germany charged a Ukrainian for the Nord Stream blasts—Kyiv is now investigating if Russia staged the attack to frame Ukrainianshttps://euromaidanpress.com/2026/08/19/germany-charged-a-ukrainian-for-the-nord-stream-blasts-kyiv-is-now-investigating-if-russia-staged-the-attack-to-frame-ukrainians/Alternative title: Kyiv is investigating how to frame the Nordstream pipeline sabotage as a Russian false flag attack
why would the people who supposedly blew up ns be touring europe instead of staying safely in ukraine again?
>>2896006>soviet apologistapologies are for mistakes fag
>>2896271>The one who was arrested in Croatia is the same one that was arrested in Poland but was let go because Poland didn't extradite him to Germany, saying the NS pipeline sabotage was "just".It's funny that this whole time EU/Nato has been pretending that they are strong and stable and more united than ever, but all this time just beneath the surface everybody have been taking stabs at each other. "Kill da russians" is pretty much the only thing that these leaders have been able to agree anymore and that small crumb of unity alone keep the Ukraine psychosis worth keeping around. After that what do they have? They all want to stay in power and get more power for themselves individually? That's just the bottom hierarchy of needs of any ruling class, ever. If this war goes they are not just risking domestic crises boiling over, but them all turning on each other to keep their heads on the surface. Then it's goodbye Eu and goodbye Nato and goodbye their career plans in their bureaucracies.
>>2896272Lmao that’s right, Zelensky has been claiming for weeks that Russia will do mass mobilisation after the elections (unless everyone in Russia votes for Yabloko wink wink) but has already walked that back by claiming it will be a “silent” mobilisation… which was already the claim for years.
>>2896281>They all want to stay in power and get more power for themselves individually?it just doesn't work like that in democratic countries
>>2896249>Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of themisnt that shit just called cognitive dissonance?
>>2896279>why would the people who supposedly blew up ns be touring europe instead of staying safely in ukraine againwhat? because the eu bureaucrats are in support of it? why would they throw their meatshield under the bus willingly? if you havent noticed, the "investigations" are pure political theatre, they dont give a shit really
>>2896290doesn't make sense to let agents just wander around willy-nilly especially with such a charged case
>>2896284Yeah. It does. None of Europe’s leaders are popular, yet themselves or their parties are immovable. Even in the UK where uniquely there is an extreme amount of turnover in both the Prime Ministerial position as well as other major ministerial positions, none of the people are punished or expunged from ultimate political power via their parties, lobbyists and personal friends.
>>2896295how many immovable government did uk have in the last 10 years?
>>2896290also it wont be long before you gonna see manufactured protests (with eu and ukrop flags) supporting the "perpetrators" and the eu is gonna drop those charges to show they are "le democracy" and they actually "listen" to the people. i have never forgiven the eu hypocrites for banning redstream, the funding wasnt the problem but their reach was, and also their high quality when it came to the documentaries they did. youtube is constantly pushing arte pro-ukrop propaganda, its awful, the media landscape in general has been pretty horrendous (some like junge welt from germany still punching above the weight but in the coming war would be shut down anyway)
>>2896298are you living under a rock?
>>2896298Did you actually read the post before mashing your keyboard?
>>2896294why doesnt it make sense? do you even live in the eu?
>>2896284>just doesn't work like that in democratic countrieswhere? what countries?
>>2896203Retards nazis didn't mobilise women since the start? Lmao. Soviet Union and Rojava stay winning.
>>2896304i stopped reading at 'immovable parties'
>>2896316I doubt that the soviet union ever really mobilized women in anything but when most needed
I think of the Spanish Civil War where the Soviet Union was expressly against women fighting and told them to become cooks and nurses or go home.
>>2896203russia did recruitment in female correctional facilities, went exactly the way you expect
>>2896317Right well you're a retard, you should spent more effort on reading than ban evasion
>>2896324i literally couldn't be reading more without a toll on my health, thanks for caring
>>2896326Well who nailed your balls to your desk chair and redirected all URLs to this thread? Log off.
>>2896422WTF getting to live in Siberia would be so comfy. Idiot ukes again don't know how good they have it.
>>2896422will they also bring back the comically large spoon?
>>2896248you can edit the page. or simply erase the article and leave a note:
do you motherfuckers didn't acknowledge the arrest of Volodymyr Zhuravlov (identified in legal records as Volodymyr Z. or Vladimir Z.) and Serhii K. (also identified as Sergiy Kuznetsov?
and bombard them with the hundreds of mainstream media notes, links and references.
>>2896281I'm convinced that the us is using poland and the baltics to destroy german's economy.
the BERLINER ZEITUNG, is now posting opeds arguing that zelya must resign
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/article/ukraine-selenskyj-ruecktritt-fedorow-neuwahlen-kommentar-10308096🤣🤣🤣
gosh, I don't want to buy the article to read what argument is presented, but it must be stingy that the german media is now openly arguing against zelya.
>>2896511forgot flag, tsch…
>Russian state debt has decreased by more than 100 billion rubles
<this was achieved by loan forgiveness program that saw more than 500 billion rubles removed from debts of Russian state entities
Lol, lmao even.
>>2896511Berliner Zeitung isn't mainstream. Holger Friedrich, the owner, is sort of an independent liberal. So BZ is not NATO media by design like all the established big MSM corporations such as Springer, Funke, Bertelsmann etc. who were all founded via an allied powers press licence after the war. BZ is perhaps somewhat close to BSW and AfD. Anyway, mainstream libs weren't really excited about Fedorov's intention to hold elections in UA. So maybe that guy is *really* after pocketing EU gibs for himself or he's closer to Washington/Trump than to Brussels/London or Brussels/London are in fact finally fed up with Zelensky, we'll see.
>>2896548Western democracies are well-oiled checks and balances machines that produce the indended result of fascists rising to power to because socdems in power refuse to push through reforms that only communists can push through
>>2896571Oh, and socdems have the gall to claim that those left of them are at fault for socdems/liberals losing power to undemocratic fascists, because only of tankies weren't red fascists socdems could have a broad enough and strong enough coalition to continue stalling necessary reforms and don't worry about elections at all!
>>2896422This started before the war tho. I remember hearing how putin and shoigu wanted to build 1m population centers in siberia or something.
>>2896585It's just sad how powerless Russian government is, they want Stalin's projects realized, but want private enterprise to do it for them - and it just never happens despite all the money thrown at the problem.
>>2896592Gee it's almost like that's by design and the current Russian government are the same pro-bourgeois retards who were allowed to take power by the West, since they don't pose a threat. Everyone in the entire world is still paying the blood price for the Russians cucking out and self-abolishing the USSR.
Why doesn't Russia kill dozens of Ukrainian oligarchs, politicians, media barons and other such elites every single day? They have the capability to do so. It would be a better strategy than spending thousands of Russian lives (and unlike people here, I think Russian lives are valuable and shouldn't be used up in wars) trying to occupy land.
If Russia keeps killing Ukrainian elites, eventually working class Ukrainians and communists will sieze power and set up an anti-West socialist republic.
>>2896632>why won't the upper class kill one anotherYou're close to understanding the nature of war
>>2896632Same reason Zelensky won't just send a few missiles to every one of Putin's homes. Dying is for the poor people the rich people on both sides don't face any consequencss.
>>2896637>>2896671The ruling class are going to be the first ones to know that they've got a missile coming for them and evacuation plans are already made in peacetime.
Even the Soviet Union had bunkers and, if it's not actually a myth, a separate underground train line to evacuate the Kremlin in the event of a nuclear war.
I don't think it's a matter of choosing not to attack the leadership, it's just a pointless aim when a 10 minute warning is enough to get Zelensky out of the way of a 500kg warhead, or Putin given an hour's warning to get out of the way of a 50kg warhead.
I suppose you can target locations associated with leadership for hype, and Ukraine has, but it made absolutely no difference to the conflict at large.
And I know the Iranian leadership was successfully targeted and killed, but they're all about martyrs and shit and it didn't end the conflict anyway.
>>2896684You don't know war lmao
>>2896696Neither do the Americans you worship so much.
Ukraine’s Economy Braces for Disaster as Zelensky Faces New Political Challenge
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/ukraines-economy-braces-for-disaster
>The Economist has sounded alarm on Russian strikes against Ukraine’s infrastructure in the wake of the latter’s undeclared war on the Wildberries chain. They report that Ukraine’s economy is facing unprecedented damage as consequence of the unceasing and systematically debilitating Russian campaign:
>Presumably so as not to choke out the last vestige of hope for pro-Ukrainians, the article first runs down the laundry list of deep-strikes Ukraine has successfully conducted against Russia, and the economic consequences that have resulted. But then the authors admit that Russia has responded, and Ukraine is much more vulnerable in this mutual scorched-earth blow-for-blow:
<But the choking now runs both ways, and Ukraine is more vulnerable. Odesa’s ports, the country’s economic lifeline, were the first to feel the pressure. Threatened at the war’s start, the deep-sea ports reopened first with a Turkish-brokered grain deal, and then with a protected corridor for Ukraine in 2023. Russia kept targeting port infrastructure, but shippers tolerated the risk, moving 210m tonnes over the following three years. The calculus changed in mid-July when Russia began hunting the ships themselves. On July 19th cruise missiles hit and sank a Turkish-owned cargo ship as it left Chornomorsk, one of three big ports in the region. Ten people were killed. Since then every vessel entering or leaving Odesa has been targeted. A few ships still dare make the run, but the ports are commercially dead.
<The timing could hardly be worse, with 50m tonnes of harvest still to move. The alternatives are not attractive. “One ship of 100,000 tonnes is equivalent to 5,000 trucks, 5,000 drivers, and 5,000 border procedures,” says Dmytro Barinov, president of the Ukrport association. The situation is worse than it was in 2022, he says, when ports on the Danube offset some of the losses. Now the river’s low water level and Russian attacks make that route harder to use.
>Interestingly, the Economist authors go on to debunk Ukraine’s “over-exaggerated” claims of the economic damage inflicted on Russia in Ukraine’s own attacks, claiming the real damage is 1/10th that claimed by Ukraine:
<Both sides inflate statistics. Ukraine’s general staff says it has caused $13.5bn-worth of losses to Russia’s refining industry since August 2025. Sergei Vakulenko of the Carnegie Endowment, a think-tank, reckons the real, immediate losses to business is perhaps one-tenth of that, and that it has barely touched state income. “The strikes hurt, but not where or on the timescale Ukraine claims,” he says.
>The Economist predicts things will only get worse if Russia persists with this new campaign, as Ukraine’s winter crop sowing season may entirely be cancelled, summarizing the back-and-forth with clear imagery:
<“It’s as if we played open football with the Brazilians,” rues one former senior official. “We scored three and are celebrating, but they scored 13.”The piece ends with a warning that continued Russian strikes could cause a mass exodus out of Kiev, admitting that the overriding plan now is simple survival until next spring—which does not sound very promising or comforting:
<“A colleague was telling me how they had a big meeting yesterday called Autumn Actions, about future plans,” he says. “Today it already has a new name: Survive Till April.”
>But the most important aspect the piece intentionally conceals is that the war has completely turned against Ukraine. What the Economist and other Western publications have slyly been doing is framing the latest crisis as revolving around Ukraine’s depletion of Patriot missiles, with the natural solution offered being further Western involvement and investment in order to restock these highly coveted interceptors; it’s a kind of deliberately false dialectic.
>CNN laments a Ukrainian Patriot launcher sitting abandoned somewhere in a field because it has no missiles to fire—video below:
>This is intentional misdirection to conceal the fact that Ukraine is coming undone in virtually every quantifiable way. By creating a false dilemma, and then a manufactured solution for it, they can reframe Ukraine’s disastrous situation as being based on one small correctable issue. And the solution for that issue happens to be something which cunningly seeks to tie depleted Western countries into the conflict further, particularly at a time when interest and political support is drastically waning. This entirely papers over the stark reality: that Ukraine is bleeding out in every measurable metric, and no one catchall solution exists. The Patriot scam is crafty misdirection meant to perpetuate the narrative that Ukraine is still winning or “turning the tide”, and that Russia is just on the brink of losing, so long as Ukraine is able to be resupplied with more missiles. Nothing could be further from the truth—even when Ukraine had plenty of Patriots, they did little in stopping Russian ballistic attacks, and there yet remains zero proof of a single Iskander actually having been intercepted by these systems.
>On the other hand, a German publication along with Euromaidan Press has revealed that Russia shoots down virtually every single Ukrainian Flamingo missile:
<Russia has been shooting down most of Ukraine’s best long-range cruise missiles as fast as Ukraine can launch them. Just one or two of the $500,000 Fire Point FP-5 Flamingo missiles have hit their targets in recent weeks.
<That means Russian air defenses are working for now. Whether they’ll continue to work is the critical question for Ukrainian strike planners.
>Interestingly, they credit the high success rate to Russia’s A-50U AWACs planes, which now regularly patrol the Flamingo routes and can spot them from long range, then delegate fire solutions to appropriate ground units.>>2896726it just means europe is gonna give them more money
>>2896796Cool. The more money they waste on a failed ukraine, the less resources they have to cause mischief elsewhere.
>>2896631>Everyone in the entire world is still paying the blood price for the Russians cucking out and self-abolishing the USSR.This is the trvth. If putin was truly a renegade, he would be killed by something and the US would be restructing its economy for total war.
>>2896544>BZ is perhaps somewhat close to BSW>and AfDI have always seen it close to the BSW, posting always positive commentary about Sahra Wagenknecht.
>>2896828damn based, lol at both sides pepper spraying each other
>>2897014that's why you don't go on the internet making personal statements mixed with politics.
you end up looking like a moron, even in your lowest.
>>2897208200 dollars to a nazi unit in Ukraine
>>2896828ICE and TCC were both trained by the IOF.
If America gets a draft, you bet your ass the same will happen here. Thank God for Collectivism in Ukraine that people help each other out. If Russia starts doing the same, I hope people will fight back as well. Press gangs are rape.
>>2897208>I suspect it will be the usual anarcho-NATOid nonsenseThat's exactly what SC is. Pro-war anarcho-libs that raises money to buy drones for "anarchist" and "anti-fascist" soldiers in right wing and nazi battalions. They actively sabotage and attack internationalist anti-war initiatives and defend forced mobilization as a necessary evil, while their activists in the west fled the war early on. These people exploit the image of Makhno while doing the exact opposite of what Makhno did
>>2897255They are doing exactly what Makhno was doing, though: attacking anti-war anti-imperialist on behest of middle class/kulak backers. Furthermore, Makhno forces were NOTORIOUS for press ganging, kulaks and cossacks forced vilagers to join Makhno under the threat of execution of their families
>>2897260source: Leon Trotsky
>>2897219>200 dollars to a nazi unit in Ukrainesource?
>>2897255>"anarchist" and "anti-fascist" soldiers in right wing and nazi battalionsI've heard this claim, and even seen pictures of it, but a concrete source would be nice since I could use that to ask direct questions
>>2897208 (me)
I did a bit of searching. let's play seven degrees of Azov! here's the first hit that came up for "Solidarity Collectives brigade"
https://www.solidaritycollectives.org/en/new-fighter-chaos-en/>Khaos (Chaos) is an anarchist and activist […] and now serves in the 108th TRO Brigadehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/108th_Territorial_Defense_Brigade>Former units:>(Azov flag) 98th Territorial Defense Battalion>until 2023 the AFU saw fit to incorporate a unit with a sonnenrad in its logo in this brigadeell oh ell
here's another more recent one
https://www.solidaritycollectives.org/en/in-memory-of-bodia-slam/>The 475th Assault Battalion, better known to the public as CODE 9.2https://militaryland.net/news/code-9-2-grows-from-battalion-to-regiment/the three lines in that logo sure look familiar. they
could be the trident, but the asymmetry in the logo is more suggestive of the "national idea" logo we're all familiar with
here they are crying about peace mongers:
https://www.solidaritycollectives.org/en/results-of-pseudo-anti-militarism/ >>2897355https://libcom.org/article/collaboration-pro-war-anarchists-far-right-masks-are-or-fail-anti-authoritarian-resistance (check the links in the comments too)
https://libcom.org/article/national-dictatorship-goal-unbreakable-anarchists>>2897318>I could use that to ask direct questions. Careful comrade. They WILL call you a privileged westerner brainwashed by RuZZian propaganda and say you have no right to speak. They WILL try to get the "anarchists" who symapthise with them to ban you from future events and/or physically attack you. Unless you're really respected otherwise by the group holding the event I would advise you to sit this one out. SC don't play a clean game and they have very dubious friends in positions of influence.
>>2897410>They WILL try to get the "anarchists" who symapthise with them to ban you from future events and/or physically attack youI know all their names and I have no qualms about going to the police
>Unless you're really respected otherwise by the groupI'm effectively their landlord. not that I feel the need to pull rank or anything like that. but I do feel like emailing them and questioning why they, as anarchists, feel it's a good idea to invite a group that collaborates with the bourgeois state
>>2897423wtf I love landlords now <3
>>2897407I'd like to see someone make the case that having these "wrong" takes proves they're incapable of having correct takes on different subjects or being decent organizers.
Because you know, those dead people these debates revolve around never had incorrect takes on anything.
>>2897819>those dead people these debates revolve around never had incorrect takes on anything.<muh killed for incorrect takesThey were persecuted for straight up betraying the country for imperialist intervention.
<muh millions of traitorsLolno, traitors themselves invented that they had millions of people supporting them, but the state "hid" the popular support for poor misunderstood Nazis and Anarkiddies by killing all those millions! Shame that corpses of millions had never been found to this day, proving that singular terrorists were persecuted for behaviour that was universally recognized as traitorous
>>2898044They call him the Master Simp because he's the only one still Simping for Cucktin.
>>2898044He's gone full fluffer
>Ukraine's totally destroyed now, humiliated, collapsing, desperate this is the end!>Look at these GIANT fires in kIev>These fires in Russia? They mean nothing>Look at this CRUSHING UAF defeat at the outhouse at the corner of this hamlet 20 km east of Kramatorsk the steamroll continues, return of big arrows around the corner!Reminds me of NAFO
Strange moment when actual Russian Z bloggers and pro-Z mappers have more nuanced takes than him
>>2898076>>2898074>>2898044I thought the talking point was that Ukraine already collapsed years ago and Russia already won?
>>2898076>Look at these GIANT fires in kIev>These fires in Russia? They mean nothingImplying the inverse hadn’t been considered proof of Ukraine’s impending victory over Russia for the past two or so years.
You can’t claim nightly attacks on a now defenceless Kiev is no big deal when such attacks on Moscow has been the Banderite dream since the conflict began.
>>2898181The difference is scale, there is a lot less of Ukraine to be blown up than Russia.
In a tit for tat Russia always wins.
>>2898044*taps the sign*
the only thing that exists is copekraine.
>>2898181Champ's that's my point; it's NAFO tier.
>When we get hit it's nothing>When THEY get hit it's the beginning of the endAll fluffers do this
>>2898185So true. I love my nightly bombing runs on Donbas orphanages, before making a detour and flattening a Gaza neighborhood.
>>2898187>Ukraine actually already collapsed because [metaphysical nonsense]You are easily one of the most insufferable posters on this site that isn't aggressively mentally ill
>>2898187>Barbaric hordes>Muh ethnicityZiggers have gotten so desperate trying to pretend they're winning that they are now unironically using Great Replacement-tier talking points to argue about how Ukraine has lost because…le immigrants…bad…
I don't get it. Isn't this a lefty board? Do people like FARC even understand who they're talking to?
>>2898200>Budanov is the ukranian who speaks of 'barbarian hordes'
>supporting NATO is leftism apparently
>average NAFO reading comprehensionthe state
>>2898198the only metaphysics is your cope.
>>2898200>Great Replacement-tierlmao, that's budanov's words, you disingenuous moron.
https://uatv.ua/en/europe-not-seriously-prepared-for-war-on-its-own-territory-budanov/>“You know, it has always been this way. All empires that flourished always thought they were the strongest and most powerful. That’s how it seemed. And they all have one thing in common: they ceased to exist in the face of the threat of barbarian invasions. And the barbarians always won. Because a comfortable life leads to a parallel reality. This is exactly what has happened to Europe now,“ he said.
>The head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense expressed hope that it would not come to a direct, as they say, invasion of barbarians. ”But if this happened today for some reason, the result would be obvious,” Budanov believes.whaddya say now, you mororn?
>>2898389So what are you saying? Are you poking fun at rightoids declaring Ukraine has already collapsed, or are you agreeing with them? Or is it like ironic detachment where the meaning changes depending on how your audience reacts?
>>2898392the rightoids are in control of ukraine. if that's not obvious and what I am implying between these posts:
>>2898187>>2898389and picrels aren't obvious, you are then lost in time and space, or you are playing the willful blind of the day.
as per usual. I opt to believe the latter.
>>2898188Sure, but it was unironically the plan presented by Ukrainian leadership to win.
>>2898200>Ukraine has lost because…le immigrants…bad…This post can only make sense within a bubble of pure denialism over Ukraine's Neo-Nazism.
>>2898557One example of a warcrime, assuming the facts are as you assert, doesn't change the structural fact this war's benefactors are the small boug empire vs the big bouge empire.
None of this would have happened if ukraine got to finlandize instead of becoming the pointy end of a proxy war.
rip kid though :(
>>2898557Seems like the drone operator ID'd him.
>>2898557why didn't he run into the forest
>>2898668all of this happened because ukraine wanted to finlandize instead of becoming the pointy tip of the horde in 2010
>>2898671yeah why didn't he outrun the drone
Richard Woodruff sounds suicidal lately, I'm hoping he's for real and not just driving up engagement.
>>2898347Putler has denied that Ukraine exists THOUGH, which is the same kind of shit Zionists pull
>>2898674It didnt get a chance to do that now did it? Don't forget euromaidan was the result of the EU forcing Ukraine to choose between trade ties with Russia and trade with the EU. Russia offered nonexclusivity and even a large lump sum if Ukraine would not go exclusive with the EU. This was turned down by the EU.
>>2898848Nah it's probably just a train that takes people to have their vaccination shots, that requires bravery right?
>>2898890>135 USDI'd say they only prey on the fucking stupid but when you consider the billions they've received… actually yeah they prey on the fucking stupid.
>>2898890How can this be real. no fucking way.
Though the business model should run a "Buy 10, you'll stop the 'barbaric invasion for 24 hours', Buy 20, you'll next son or daughter will be a qt blue-eyed blonde aryan', but if you 'Buy 50 bags of grave soil of konovalets tomb you'll be European, Poland will cease to exist and Russia will lost the war'.
I guess creativity wasn't the business owner forte.
>>2898200Ukraine victoriously retreating on all fronts and shows its total disdain for the enemy by not bothering to intercept a single missile aimed at their capital
>Ukraine's public debt has reached $211 billion, which is a disaster for a country with a population of 20 million, stated Getmantsev, head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on Finance, Tax, and Customs Policy.
>He clarified that each resident owes more than $10,000. Ukraine's financial situation is on the brink of collapse, and problems are inevitable even if all the funds promised by Western institutions are received.
it's probably more, and it doesn't matter, the eu, and america will erase the debt.
>>2898955Victoriously abandoned
>>2898968oh, yeah. they truly are leaving behind the wunderwaffen.
>>2898975They no longer need it after destroying all Russian missiles. Ukraine has won.
>>2898956Ukraine has allowed Russia to blockade ideas
Odessa as a show of strength. Their relationship with nato is so strong they don't need that fuel or that income from selling grain.
>>2898964>Ukraine's financial situation is on the brink of collapseFor sure this time! Any moment now!
>>2898990Ukraine’s economy is so strong that even half its population fleeing to Europe and completely cutting itself off from transit fees, nor even losing a quarter of its territory or its biggest and most important port phased it. Ukraine doesn't even need all those billions of dollars of loans from eu but they gratefully accept the money anyway knowing that the interest they pay back eu with will help them more. It's a small price to pay after Russia destroyed eu's economy by blowing up nordstream and a country as rich and powerful as Ukraine can easily afford it.
>>2898998fedorov wants them pointy.
>>2898999People are impressed by pointy, he'll be able to afford a 911 if they're pointy
>>2898980They can't even be bothered to send the wheeled trucks to the recycling facility?
GG ultra win, fatality. 360º, no scope.
>>2899017They're obviously leaving them in place as monuments to their great victory
>>2899019Nah they're definitely trying to ape those charity adverts where they show starving people while petitioning for money.
>For the cost of a coffee a month, you can ensure these launchers have enough missiles and together we can all pretend they're protection from Russian retaliations. Cucktin you fuck pull the motherfucking trigger I need to make a "laugh at NAFOids and euros" thread in /pol/.
>>2899068nothing ever happens, anon. besides, the war must continue for as long as possible since it ties up both NATO and Russia
>>2899068The war is lost m8, Russia never swept ukraine, Ukraine never collapsed, it was laughable to talk about Ukrainian nationality before while now basically cucktin gave a birth to that nationality, muh super duper missiles, muh tens of thousands of tanks, muh shell production, muh europe freezing, muh burgers forgetting about Ukraine, muh denazification,..all these memes got lost like tears in the rain
>>2899321They're also okay with Kayne West doing shows and instead of hitting a funeral full of nazis the best they can do is kill a bunch of civvies at a shopping mall.
Dunno how FARC anon doesn't get blackpilled by this shit.
>>2899351oh, you are gonna lecture me about blackpilling. lmao.
every azovite, krakenite, rvc, right sektor chud, ss galitzien, and all the cumstains killed in the front line is pure whitepill doses.
>>2899354point out the nato on the video
>>2899363Antifascists fighting Russia instead of Ukraine, for one
>>2899363None. Because obviously, they are the big chungus of an existing revolution.
And not a bunch of liberals.
Surely you won't milk this debate over the tombs of andreiy melnyk and konovalets. How dare I to desecrate their tombs, and the flowers that zelya left over their tombs for a bunch of
*check notes*
junkies. which your video conveniently left out. (НАЙСУЛИД, literally painkillers in the screenshot)
>>2899371it's orcish kids and orcish police might as well claim masonic league is involved
Nafo remains smug because their only victory condition is that the war keeps going. As long as "Russia hasn't won yet" it doesn't matter how much shit it makes Ukraine eat.
>>2899397to be fair the war not being over is the victory condition for communism too, since it keeps NATO tied up in Donbass
>>2899397Oh that was the goal? To make Ukraine eat shit? Ah okay, Russia is winning hard then.
>>2899397This shit literally applies to Russia too lmao
>>2899522Oh really? What happened to le keyhiv in three hours?
>>2899548leaned too hard into contrarianism award
>>2899548Those comrades he's fighting with were the ones who would have backed thatcher and the neolibs. Its the illiteracy and ignorance that makes this a farce and a tragedy
>>2899583This. Russia's government right now is banning Communists from running in elections using retarded made up reasons (one guy even got his campaign suspended because some of his materials used a font copyrighted by Microsoft and the courts pretended they cared about Western intellectual property just to get his candidacy revoked).
Any Communists opting for parliamentary legalism in Russia should just move to Belarus instead where they'll actually be protected and where Lukashenko has a high chance that he'll just make the Belarusian Communist Party take over after he retires because he actually likes socialists, unlike Cucktin.
>>2899625>communists in russia unserious enough to use sanctioned western techsad
>>2899628It wasn't tech it was font. As in a WRITING FONT. It's retarded that there is even such thing as "copyrighting" a font.
>>2899625The KPRF is literally the second most powerful party in the country and is in a coalition with the natural party of governance. Meanwhile Hoholistan banned any party to the left of Hitler. But keep coping about how Russia is heckin fascist
>>2899625Wait, is this about Bondarenko?
>>2899625One of removed "communist" deputees Matveyev was straight up exonerating white guards of all crimes and claimed that they were defending Russia from Leninist ultras, lol
>>2899635Uh oh! Don’t contradict the Vyrus narrative or you might get banned!
>>2899637Reminder that communist Zyuganov wears Stolypin's medal
>>2899640So true! A Russian wore a pin honoring a no-no man so they’re all fascist orks who deserve to be genocided by NATO! Heil Mamdani!
>>2899629i find it hard to believe a microsoft font could be found and used anywhere else in russia besides microsoft software
>>2899642???
KPRF aren't a communist party. It's more of Zyuganov's pocket personality cult party, and since personality is weak, party is also weak. And they don't care if you are a communist or not, given that they welcome people like Matveyev or Bondarenko.
Also, Zyuganov talked about how orthodoxy is something-something essential for socialism, and also prayed for forgiveness for Lenin/Stalin being atheists and "persecuting" churches
>>2899645And who are the “real communists”? The labor Zionists in the DSA? Some trust fund smashies? Your irrelevant book club? Lol
Call me when your little polycule gets anywhere close to seizing the reigns of state power and then we’ll talk
>>2899646call us when kprf does
>>2899438>>2899522That's a really stupid thing to say anon.
>The Russian government is not friendly to communists!
Way to miss the fucking point lmao. The KPRF is the second largest (albeit by quite a margin) party in Russia and it’s surely their influence and that of its members/voters that prevented Russia from going full decommunisation like its western-simp neighbours. That’s the interesting part, not this strawman claim that the Russian government is opening the doors wide open for Communist leadership to retake the Kremlin.
It’s pretty hilarious that on the eve of Ukraine’s Independence Day they apparently complained out loud to their incoming western guests that there’s a $30 billion hole in their defence budget.
>>2899683>The KPRF is the second largest (albeit by quite a margin) party in Russiavery important questions:
- is the duma a glorified circus with no bearing on reality at all?
- do the communists parrot every single talking point of the united russia to keep their cushy second place?
>>2899625>one guy even got his campaign suspended because some of his materials used a font copyrighted by Microsoft and the courts pretended they cared about Western intellectual property just to get his candidacy revokedDon't be ridiculous. the case is under appeal process within the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation. And it could go up to the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation.
A very good lawyer should make the case that compliance with western copyrighted material isn't an issue since microsoft suspended all licenses trading with Russia.
and besides, that's not the only issue.
>a) according to the plaintiff's representatives, Mikhail Matveyev published a photograph of his main competitor, Alexander Zhivaikin (United Russia), without permission, accompanying it with an offensive comment. >b) The deputy, without the consent of the authors, posted photographs on his official campaign website belonging to MIA "Rossiya Segodnya" correspondent Andrei Stenin, who died in the DPR in August 2014, RIA Novosti, and others.So even if wins the case of microsoft fonts usage, the other two would probably leave him out of the race.
And all communist parties around the world do more or less the same shit with their political figures. but it's called 'party discipline'.
Yes, CPRF, included.
And about
>pretended they cared about Western intellectual propertythat's moronic for you to say. Russia DID care a lot about that. Roskomnadzor DDoSed at various times so hard rutracker, using every node and in Russia, that all Automated Teller Machines (ATMs) across Russia were crashing, and hung up.
Similar with China right now. Dassault Systemes has won various multi-million dollars (USD) cases over companies that were using Dassault Systeme's software pirated.
It's your fucking states (you don't live in ukr, you live in the west, you pathetic worm) that pushes these countries to sign laws that force intellectual properties violation to be a punishable act, but DAMN if these states obey them?
fucking god, bandera-lovers ITT can't argue in good faith. their need to cherry-pick up to the littlest atom and make a case about it is so insane.
BUT HEY, don't dick-ride too hard the guy who kneels to konovalets and andreiy melnik tombs, ok? he's gonna leave more flowers and maybe start leaving some bouquets instead if you do.
>>2899668Actively conspiring to do a color revolution in a nation fighting a defensive war against genocidal imperialism is one of the most despicable things a person could possibly do and any actual communist would support the imprisonment of hostile Vyruses who wear the skin of communism to sell out their countrymen
>>2899778Sorry, but it's just as bad when communists are legally allowed to participate in politics as when they're banned entirely and state sponsored goon squads kill communists in the streets.
I don't think Russia has ever had any interest in taking over all of Ukraine, but the "if we keep fighting then we win" nafoids make a good case for why anything short of full annexation is not in Russia’s interests.
On that note, I can't help but think that this and Nato keeping up these tricks in the other former soviet republics isn't just going to convince later Russian governments that the only way to not be attacked and embroiled in endless proxy wars is to just take them over directly.
>>2899795Breaking news: Stubb is now huddling in Kiev air shelter under Russian missile and drone strike.
>>2900028new plan to not talk to Russia until the EU's oil reserves run dry
>>2899781Nicholas II hands typed this post
>>2900028hopefully it's firebombing into submission
I’m not entirely convinced that Russia is as dependent on online retailers like Wildberries and Ozon as Western countries are on Amazon. At least in this country, Amazon has almost completely replaced brick and mortar shops and people lament the death of the high street, but in the footage of different Russian towns and cities I’ve seen, it seems regular shops are still widespread. No “imported candy” shops in sight.
>>2900101you don't know the half of it
those chains are comically in debt because of how russian financial system works if they go a lot of banking goes
they're also heavily backed by government-adjacent money because it's a mafia state and they've been through rounds of takeover attempts
hitting them is hitting where it hurts russian officials personally, i've no clue why russians started bombing the ukrianian counterpart when they knew they'd get retaliation
>>2900107Did Russia hit epicentre first? I’m pretty sure the timeline is Wildberries being retaliation for Russia targeting Ukrainian logistics after it was revealed that’s how drones and other military equipment is being moved around the country.
Very, very briefly Wildberries was said to be a legit military target because it apparently sold walkie talkies, but it’s now just more of le economic warfare.
>>2900112>Ukrainian logisticsthat's one way of spelling post office and private delivery
>>2900101Online retail economy's share of GDP is apparently about the same as the U.S. and the U.K., maybe even slightly greater than the U.S., which are all apparently greater than France and Germany. I mean it makes sense if you think about how the cities are built but ecommerce has been one of the Russian success stories over the past decade.
No idea what effect this bizarre strategic bombing campaign on services will have.
Russia looks pretty cyberpunk though. Like you have a lot of dilapidated badly supported Soviet stuff and generally not great incomes but ecommerce that's as advanced as the U.S. and a massively developed IT sector with fast, cheap internet.
>>2900114No that is precisely the categorisation of Post Offices and Couriers.
And yes, Ukraine weren’t supposed to use them for shipping war matériel.
>>2900116oh please now
they've been bombed for the same reason russia is bombing ukrainian fire teams, it's a part of their terror campaign
>>2900117I’ve seen people bury their heads in the sand, but you’re surely feeling the warmth of the earth’s core lmao
>>2900118not at all
russian propensity to destroying civilian infrastructure comes from learnt experience from previous conflicts that if they win they will not have to bear the consequence of their warcrimes
>>2900115I suppose the comparison isn’t necessarily with how big e-commerce is compared to the UK and US, but how big is traditional retail in comparison.
A lot of the hype for attacking Wildberries/Ozon in the UK at least is the presumption that it’d be like here, where if Amazon suddenly disappeared then entire categories of products (mostly treats) would quickly become unobtainable as the few remaining brick and mortars would instantly run out of stock.
>>2900121>>ivan are we attacking Ukrainian logistics because they transport drones to the front?><no it's becaue migth makes right and rashka big rashka strong ooga boogaftfy
>>2900123Why do you put this much effort to evade bans just to keep saying ooga booga?
>>2900124the whole country's on dynamic ip i put no effort into it at all
i do it because i know how it irks you when faced with who your people actually are
>>2898964.
>it's probably more, and it doesn't matter, the eu, and america will erase the debt.Lmao. Not without asset stripping the remains of Ukraine first.
>>2900125Dynamic IPs don’t update daily.
>>2900127someone's slept through opsec classes
>>2900128Not much opsec to restarting your router and hoping a new IP gets assigned by the ISP.
>>2900130
Apparently irk’ing people is a reasonable use of effort. So I’m happy with my prize.
>>2900128>bbys first internetthat's adorable, have a candy
Neither side in this interimperialist war should be supported. Ukrainian workers should overthrow the Ukrainian oligarchy. Russian workers should overthrow the Russian oligarchy. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying so that the elites in both countries can LARP about how patriotic and nationalist they are while all their children live in luxury in the West. Retarded nonsense that only creates a never ending ocean of blood. And it's not people like Putin or Zelensky paying for it it's the Russian and Ukrainian people. All the stated justifications for the war are lies and that fact is becoming more and more obvious with each passing day. The more the Russian state comes to mirror the Ukrainian state the more pointless it is to demand others "choose" a side. They are the same bourgeois scum the only difference is one asks you to die for Greater Russia and the other asks you to die for Greater Ukraine. We desperately need a new Lenin. The Russians have reverted to their Tsarist-era chauvinist mentality and the Ukrainians have reverted to Banderism. No influential figures are offering a class first perspective. I don't usually support leftcoms but I have to finally admit they were right about this conflict. It's schizophrenic to attack Ukraine for suppression of the Communists when the Russian government is doing the exact same thing, just with more subtlety.
>>2900115Not so great incomes are mitigated by not so great cost of living & cheap housing though. Seen a vid from a teenager who moved to Russia from Germany with her parents. Overall she was ok with her new life over there, particularly pleased with cost of living & housing, didn't like getting called "Hitler" all the time by her classmates due to her being German and having an accent, didn't like some other cultural stuff (which can be summed up with "lack of Ordnung" i guess) and she noted that teachers are far more "serious" compared to what she was used to.
So cost of living & housing aren't problems under Cucktin which might be a big reason why he is still popular even among plebs.
Meanwhile over here there wasn't a single somewhat popular chancellor or president since Köhler, inflation and insane housing costs are among if not the biggest problems in our supposedly rich first world shithole but the bourgeois pricks in Berlin & Brussels don't give a shit about nothing at all but funneling more money into the MIC.
>>2900134He’s able to take credit for things generally improving in Russia over the last 26 years and especially for resolving the issues of the 90s.
This conflict probably did affect his popularity for while it seemed like Ukraine was holding out alone for longer than expected and was just creating inconveniences for the Russian population. But at the same time I’m sure that’s been resolved by the bloodthirsty rhetoric, massive support for Ukraine’s neo-nazis and givas resulting in civilian deaths coming from the West, which surely has validated Putin and Co’s claims that Ukraine and NATO are serious threats to Russia, not people one can hope for neutrality with.
>>2900134>Not so great incomes are mitigated by not so great cost of living & cheap housing thoughnot at all, we did the math a couple months back
even after utilities you're much better off in the expensive west on median wage
>>2900137I remember you having an absolute shitfit ITT over bourgeois economy indicators, that are used by that same bourgeois to tell proles to shut the fuck up about there being no money.
>>2900133but this war is tying up nato so they can't expand to sweden and finland or overthrow syria, venezuela, cuba or genocide gazans and iranians…. hey wait a minute
>>2900138i remember calculating disposable income (even recalculating it in kgs of potatoes because someone insisted they're the lifeblood of the working class) but sure have it your way
>>2900137I'm sorry, i trust a based on real life experience opinion of an unpolitical teenager more than NAFO "math". And if i need a reassurance for how detached from reality and how fucked you lot are in your heads i just need to open SPIEGEL or BILD and compare my own real life experience over here with their bourgeois bubble. Yesterday some idiot bourgeois liberal was arguing in SPIEGEL in favour of removing obstacles that might prevent rents from increasing further.
>>2900140Your “calculations” are irrelevant, because the miscalculation made by westoids is imagining Russia to be a third world country on the desperate edge of revolution against their Monarch and then sperging out about putinbot propagandists when it’s demonstrated that iPhones and chizborger are not unobtainium in Russia.
>>2900142sure buddy have it your way
>>2900143> imagining Russia to be a third world country there hasn't been a second world since dismantling of warsaw pact in 1991 so guess what
>when it’s demonstrated that iPhones and chizborger are not unobtainium in Russia.or potatoes
>>2900146What’s your fixation on potatoes? I know they produce vodka with them in Poland and presumably fuelling your particular lifestyle, but contrary to popular belief Russian vodka is almost always grain based.
we calculated how many kilos of potatoes can a russian afford (because one of you insisted on it) but sure bring availability of iphones into it, why not
>>2900146>have it your wayWell the problem with politics in Germany in general is that things go actually always your "free market" way and you are fucking retarded
>>2900149the problem of politics in germany is that you all just hop on trends without a single thought about long terms
>>2900148Yeah that’s the post-Soviet dream, buying more kilos of potatoes than you could reasonably eat before they go off, not iPhone.
>>2900151the argument was to the tune of >domestically produced goods are dirt cheap because ppp would not lie to me
>>2900152Well I welcome you to a new angle, westerners are fucking stupid and simultaneously believe Russia is dirt poor but also will collapse without treats being delivered to their door.
Well okay I’ll be fair; Russophobic Westeners are fucking stupid.
>>2900120>A lot of the hype for attacking Wildberries/Ozon in the UK at least is the presumption that … the few remaining brick and mortars would instantly run out of stock.Yeah that doesn't seem realistic to me, and Russia's traditional retail economy is also quite large. Don't think it will have much effect on the front either even if some supplies move through it, mainly because Russian infiltration tactics don't require massive amounts of supplies anyways. The effects if anything would probably be more macro for Russian banks and investment firms with various weird stuff potentially happening from having their heavily leveraged investments go up in flames. Russia in general has already had very low rates of investment for years and not… great growth since the global financial crisis apart from the SMO construction boom (which is wearing off)… probably related to the war IMO:
https://hurstpublishers.com/book/empire-of-austerity/ >>2900154i very much doubt most westerners have any insight into state of russians' personal finance or believe you can collapse a state by droning delivery companies
cute strawman tho, have another candy
>>2900161By all means do read the Xitter replies to any post or video that demonstrates Russia having paved roads.
Oh btw during this potato debate, did you factor in the fact that Western states import produce from poorer countries? Was it investigated whether this is equally true for Russian supermarkets?
>>2900167nope i just picked a bag of spuds from tesco and the cheapest ones they had at pyaterochka
>>2900160I can’t really imagine this would be more damaging economically than targeting oil infrastructure.
I think Wildberries is targeting for two reasons
>It’s easy, the warehouses are as big as oil refineries and therefore doesn’t require precision while being unprotected as militarily irrelevant>Although Ukrainian nationalists espouse an image of Ukraine as more European and affluent than Russia, it’s pretty clear their actions appeal to jealousy that Russia is in fact far more developed than Ukraine is >>2900170Thorough analysis.
Wait
>tesco
>spuds
Oh for fuck sake. I get Tescos exist outside the UK but I suppose you’re also going to tell me you heard “spuds” from a foreign friend.
>>2900174yep, those are the two leading retailers in their respective countries
country of origin of the ware changes nothing in terms of household finances
>>2900176i had a professor peabody book as a kid, one of his friends was called spud
thanks for caring and for bringing back the memories
apparently it's called 'munch bunch'
great read 11/10
>>2900178Likely story.
>>2900177>erm it’s ackshually irrelevant if Western consumers get cheaper prices via imperialism >>2900183Were these Tesco Spuds le fair trade at least?
fuck me if i know i took screenshots so scroll a couple threads back and you'll find out
>>2900185>fuck me if I knowAlwight geezer, keep yer barnet on.
Mysterious US military cargo plane landed in Moscow, no official word on what its purpose is but guesses are that it’s a prisoner exchange
>>2900234could it be stephen witkoff and jared kusher
>>2900235No mention of the flight at all on RT and all I’ve seen as a potential acknowledgement is Peskov allegedly saying no diplomatic visits from the US was expected.
I feel that if it was a US prisoner exchange there’d be more fanfare for the prisoner’s return, since there’s never a reason for secrecy with such exchanges because of course Russia has never managed to successfully arrest a US agent, merely truth seeking journalists.
Apparently it’s the CIA Director. Presumably he’s come with another fantastic opportunity for Russia to put the gloves back on in exchange for absolutely fucking nish lmao.
>>2900234US sending patriots missile to save the south koreans bougies from having their labubus warehouses destroyed
>>2900300Yeah.. did they really request that though? Because a plane landing in Moscow today doesn’t prove something happened secretly last week. Otherwise the suggestion is that a US cargo plane would be under threat from Ukrainian attack without the request.
All reporting so far suggests this trip was entirely secret, so no doubt Ukraine will rush to claim ackshually they knew about it and the US isn’t keeping secrets from them.
Tbh I expect it to actually be concerning Iran, I can’t really think of anything happening with Ukraine that suddenly requires the Director of the CIA to appear personally in Moscow.
Perhaps Trump is chimping out and wants to nuke Tehran.
Breaking: CIA Director visits Putin to inform him that Dolly Parton had passed away.
>>2900315ussr is comin back bay bee
Why is the head of the CIA in Moscow?
Do you think it's possible it might be about setting up a DPRK meeting?
>>2900315Communism is when socialization of losses
Apparently the flag outside the US embassy in Moscow has been removed.
CIA director come to Moscow to relay plans of their coup against Trump
>>2900603They just lowered it for Dolly Parton
>>2900606Wouldn’t that be half-mast?
Military summary Channel speculating that it's spy swap or Iran related.
>>2900651Apparently Russia has just finished massing troops to the north east of Kiev so maybe he's there to be like "you better not"
>Ratcliffe's visit comes as recent U.S. intelligence assessments indicate that Putin's risk calculus may be shifting, with the Russian leader potentially increasingly willing to authorize provocative actions against NATO members — including hybrid operations and other deniable measures short of conventional military action — in order to test the resolve of the alliance and the Trump administration.i hope putler attacks estonia
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-director-john-ratcliffe-russia-secret-trip/ >CIA Director flies to Moscow for a private chat with Putin
The fact that the head glowie can just do this with no problems and go back home safely is proof this entire war is complete bullshit. If Cucktin was really anti imperialist and fighting le collective west, this uyghur would be shot by a firing squad as soon as he landed. What is there to negotiate? The US is supplying intel to Ukraine to kill Russian soldiers. No one with a brain believes in their neutrality. Oh wait this is Cucktin we're talking about nvm he really does believe America is neutral.
>>2900688Obviously he's just doing it to make you mad.
>>2900473the original or the clone?
>>2900741>PLA are idealogically trained by the CCP, which is a big spoopy party>unlike the PKK which is just a political organizationthese gentlemen etc.
>the PLA is bad because China has been at peace for 50 yearsdoes this guy understand what a self-own this is for him? like yes, China is not a warmongering country. they're totally going to invade Taiwan though, trust me
>PLA bad because they don't want conscripts to die in exercises>Chinese reddit: r/noncredibledefense >>2900688What purpose does this performative retardation serve?
>You have to shoot the nuclear armed messenger to prove you’re serious is a distinctly unserious take
>>2900741Larper does larper things,
>>2900741I like watching this guy very occasionally because i enjoy his extreme levels of ideological and cognitive dissonance.
His only unifying principle is that he's for every war that the americans could possibly involve themselves in.
>>2900126>Not without asset stripping the remains of Ukraine first.Of course not. That's why I say that what exists is copekraine.
>>2900123>Ukrainian logistics because they transport drones to the front>they transport drones to the frontthey do, though. nova posta repeatedly does so. should I spend three posts with 5 images limit each showing the evidences of that?
>Andy Burnham is warned that Britain faces impending Russian 'attack' over its support for Ukrainehttps://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16079793/Andy-Burnham-Britain-impending-Russian-attack.htmlnothing ever happens, would be funny though. i dont think russia would risk drawing britbongs into the war proper
>>2900828Nothing ever happens until It Happens.
>>2900828>i dont think russia would risk drawing britbongs into the war properI really doubt that’s the immediate concern, the concern is probably more if there’s a domino effect.
That’s probably the assumption the UK government is operating on also, that it’s inconceivable that the UK can be uniquely targeted despite uniquely being enthusiastic to take credit for attacks that kill Russian civilians… because… it just is okay?
In all honesty it’s not just escalation wrt to Ukraine for the UK government, everything they’re responsible for is currently a runaway train.
It’s the consequence of having a government entirely made up of career politicians. None of them know what they’re doing, none of them care to know what they’re doing, they just repeatedly double/triple/quadruple down on Thatcherite policies, based on the myth that was the last time there was a real plan for the country that they just need to follow.
If I was asked to bet on which political class will flee their country first, London or Kiev, I’d wager Kiev but I’d not put too much money on it.
And the reason I say that is because the bourgeoisie are cannibalising their own economy to keep lines going up quicker and to be a statesman is to tame such urges to protect bourgeois interests in the long run, replace statesmen with salaried yes men and it’s completely untamed.
Once the British economy has been entirely strip mined, there’s no reason for the billionaires to stay and therefore neither the yes men.
In a way, the UK government is tragically similar to the Ukrainian government.
>>2900828actually surprised at the anti war comments under the article also holy shit this site is awful to read
Opinion piece by Tom Tugendhat based on multiple sources: CIA Director John Ratcliffe recently visited Moscow, reportedly warning Putin against a possible attack on NATO that Russia intensively prepares. The author argues Putin may escalate, seeing weak European defenses, migration pressures, deindustrialisation, limited US stocks, and political uncertainties as opportunities. He urges Britain to urgently bolster drone defenses, and air defenses, warning time is short.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/08/26/cia-moscow-visit-putin-russia-nato-attack/can you imagine if russians bombed the uk. ww3 would kick off so hard.
but nothing ever happens
Isnt it kinda hilarious and ironic that the idea that yurop is heading straight towards war was also repeated by a certain serbian politician? Anyway, Im stoked, hopefully get to see some pretty nukes soon.
>>2900851russian fsb is leaky as shit, so I believe honestly.
>>2900851>ww3 would kick off so hard.I’m not so sure it would, a ship-launched conventional missile from the Atlantic at precisely a factory that produces these drones for UK, who in the EU or Washington adores and/or depends on the UK so much that’d be unacceptable to the point the whole world is now at risk?
>>2900856
>adoresdoesnt matter, if this stuff is true then pitin is testing natos resolve, on whether they will respond or not, if putin bombed the uk would they respond? would america help? if they dont then putin has nothing to lose.
But this would be a big move, russia bombing the uk would be like a pearl harbor event for the uk. Im sure at the very least the uk would declare war on russia openly and join ukraine on the battle field
>>2900858And in that case it’d be our funeral because the standing British military is tiny compared to what Ukraine and Russia have drummed up.
Best case scenario is NATO givas goes into maximum overdrive as supplies are now supposedly for the British military who would almost certainly limit their presence to the West of Ukraine.
>>2900851Complete bullshit and everyone already knows it's bullshit because Cucktin would never do anything so brave and courageous.
Is everyone here jobless incels? Why are your tiny penises so rock hard fantasizing about war? Go take a look at Gaza refugee camps, that's your future, you won't die a heroic death
>>2900883I think there’s only one fantasizing here lmao
>>2900883>Is everyone here jobless incelsNo, I'm a 72 yo pensioner with wife and grandkids, living here to own the younger generations. FARC'ED
or am I?maybe I am your neighbor Mike, who recently started his garage start-up and is defrauding their investors, mom and pops, posting here instead of developing the next revolutionizing appor maybe I am an elaborate Russian chatbot with his server hosted right next to rutracker serverswhy do you care? anyway Personally I tend to chill out in a bucket of ice, surrounded by rich people who want nothing more than to consume me and leave me neck down in said bucket. I have a hard, cold exterior but really I’m actually quite bubbly on the inside.
>>2900883Hey I'm not jobless nor am I fantasizing about nuclear war.
>tfw NATO spent on Ukraine more than USA provided to GB and USSR as Lend-Lease and Ukraine STILL cannot win
<and the war will drag on for years still
Grim. Looks like money can't win a war
>>2900883I wish I was jobless incel. Anything over wagecucking.
>>2900858>the uk would declare war on russia openly and join ukraine on the battle fieldWith what army?
>>2900728
>Don't look at the femurs that are clearly bovine or possibly porcine in nature
>these are definitely russian soldiers
Meatcube 2.0?
Multipolarism status?
Will Cherginov offensive be another wet fart? Probably. But it will probably force Ukraine to push mobilization at 18yo
>>2901135Europe cannot "starve" because they got enough money to buy food from elsewhere (who will starve, but that's not a problem for Europe, until they become refugees that is…)
>>2901086
I dunno why you replied to me farcanon about the clownishly botched attempt to portray slaughterhouse waste as human remains :/
If anything I'm sympathetic to you and revolted by how nafoids, faced with an unwinnable war, have decided to dehumanize people and mock the dead - so much for anticampist proletarian solidarity I guess.
>>2901145my reply didn't mean to include this one:
>>2901064 >>2900728
>I know you nafoturds dream, jerk off, fantasize, daydream every second about Russians getting into a slaughterhouse, and if you find a video that IRL slightly backs up your fetishes from the 'Russian Lost Simulator', because that's the only way 'Russian lost' IRL can make some sense, I know you will come here to post it.
>But at least try not to make it obvious for image reverse search tools.
>Like c'mon the fuck on. 10 seconds?
>At least grab claude, chatgpt, gemini, dunno, and ask them to put a filter that makes it impossible for image search engines to trace back its origins.
>but word of advice, nafoturds:
>If you post gore, trust me, I have an arsenal of pro-Russian TG channels that post ukrainans banderites gore like 15 x times any pro-ukrainian gore channels do, and it's all real stuff.
>you wanna make it a competition? be my guests.
>>2901174Now that big serge is gone and mearsheimer's been reduced to a talking head for a literal goldbug's show, where can we find decent analysts for the war? I liked big serge and mearsheimer for calling out the overall contours of the war accurately and now that theyre gone all we have left are the polyannish simplicius and his mirror counterparts in the nafoid and legacy media spheres.
Suggest decent analysis pls.
>>2901214In X I use Moss Robeson, Events in Ukraine for in-depth analysis, and sometimes some a mixture between Kalibrated Maps, Olga Bazova, Mark Ames and AMK Maps, etc. for a mixture of some other news and Osint.
In Telegram I use UKR Leaks. Prozorov is the best shit. But he sometimes falls for AI videos. Twice or thrice in my 3 years following him, I've caught him falling for that. That's my only criticism of him.
Strana is incredibly good, too.
If you want long videos, instead all those readouts, you still should have Alexander Mercuris and The Duran (speaking of which, Mercuris uses Strana a lot. But they sting there and there with the anti-Russian propaganda)… dunno, it's been ages I don't watch them since I started to like Ukr Leaks and Events in Ukraine more, that I moved on from general analyses. Prozorov goes into very specific details, intricacy with specific segments that is not picked up by the media, through TV shows or podcasts that are not posted in UA media because no one goes to the lengths of recording word for word what some of those ukrainian politicians say, composed between banderites, and their 'liberal' accomplices. And it's all translated into English. The channel goes rigorously every day with news from ukraine, never skips one day, unlike Fearless John or fixated with some stupid right-wing ideology, with extreme homophobia and 'the deep state' conspiracies like 'Aussie Cossack' or Lord Bebo.
Prozorov is like Aaron Rupar and Acyn from X (for American consumers, if you are one, you should be 100% familiarized with those two), but he adds more analyses, and reminds their readers about situations that are interconnected with past news and events.
Events in Ukraine does a good job understanding the machinations and conspiracies in the ukrainian political and military class, but it's a lot of speculation. Sometimes good. Sometimes you would never know.
If you want general, go to Alexander Mercuris. Do you want in-depth details? go for Prozorov+Strana+Events in Ukraine.
The later makes nafoids very salty.
>>2901214Suriyakmaps if you want non-fluffer updates about the latest outhouses captured on either side
>>2900828I think it's a matter of when not if. There's been an uptick in factory sabotages and drones found with explosives. So feels like they're warming up to it.
At some point the Kremlin's gonna have to decide what to do when the frontline moves this little, and Bankova doesn't care about how grim things get in Ukraine for the civilian population. As long as they get to keep bombing Russia with western supplied weapons.
Supposedly that factory they set up in Denmark's scheduled to eventually produce engines and rocket fuel for 4,000 cruise missiles a year.
Like sure you can be like some (aka fluffers) and pretend none of this matters and it's all pyrotechnics theatrics whenever Russia gets hit and kIev is totally collapsing whenever they get hit. But Russia's still getting hit, warehouses, factories and refineries keep getting blown up. And eventually it's gonna be power plants too and that Kerch bridge they're obsessed about.
It's not like Afghanistan where the forever war at least stays nicely contained, and the Taliban aren't lobbing missiles and drones at vital infrastructure at home whilst not caring if the entire country is depopulated and the livings standards drop below those of Malawi.
You can argue Russians are tough and all that, and they are, but this can't go on and escalate indefinitely. With Russia getting bombed with impunity, whilst the entire Ukrainian military supply chain sits safely behind NATO lines.
I'm also not convinced by anyone pretending this will end when the Donbas is lost. Puppet states/comprador regimes/rabid dogs/polities with a bit too much spite don't stop because they suffered a few too many losses, they end when they're crushed completely (Saigon, Kabul, ROK nearly lost the entire mainland before it turned around) which in this case would mean either getting all the way to Lviv to stop missile/drone launches, or at least establishing air superiority. Neither of the two which I see happening anytime soon.
tl;dr; it's gonna keep getting spicier until someone crosses the Rubicon, or the Kremlin gets lucky and
everyone cuts off funding indefinitely.
>>2901242>>2901227I really liked serge's long form stuff and the intricate details of every outhouse is too tedious to follow for me. Mercouris is insufferable as well.
You think its going to start with an attack on nato via russian agents vs them getting some 764 lunatic to conduct a special infrastructure operation?
Storm Shadows used to target Donetsk city.
Yep, we’re cruising for a bruising.
Latest from Bloomberg: Don’t worry guys, China TOLD Russia not to use nukes, escalation is therefore fine!
>>2901283
More people have already died over the course of this war than the total amount of people who died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But I'm sure the champagne will come up with some ridiculous made up reason for why nukes are so much worse than the current brutal slog of attrition. If Putin was a Communist I would be advising the same thing this isn't a matter of ideology it's a matter of results and effectiveness.
>>2901285“The Champagne” isn’t a retard. Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed nearly 250,000 Japanese
civilians and this conflict hasn’t reached that across the combined Russian and Ukrainian civilian casualty counts. While Lvov has a population of around 720,000 who would all die if nuked.
Add Kiev and you’re looking at nearly 4 million civilian deaths which is more than any estimate of total military casualties.
Like if you’re so keen to be an internet tough guy and larp about how strong your stomach is for killing innocents because that’s what a historic figure would do in your own headcanon, just shoot up a school already.
>>2901100fsb is known to be full of moles, so no
>>2900860>And in that case it’d be our funeral because the standing British military is tiny compared to what Ukraine and Russia have drummed up.newsflash: russia's already been stretched thin for years now
>>2901390
I buy it, Ukraine becoming White ISIS hasn’t done their future prospects any favours
>>2901398
Ukrainian nationalists claim they were genocided with a big spoon
Funny that a month ago nafoids ITT were questioning the importance of Kramarosk but as Russia gets closer the more NATO seems to be trying to get Russia to nuke something.
>>2901408
They always had delivery systems, don’t you remember when they used an unwitting suicide bomber on the Kerch bridge?
Dirty bomb produced in a shed next to a school, commandeered civilian truck, expendable driver who is promised they’ll get 40 McDonald’s Happy Meals in the afterlife?
Come on that does scream Ukraine, does it not?
>>2901412Even if that did happen, do you really think it would lead to direct western intervention?
Sure it would be a PR loss for Russia if people believed it but the west isn't going to immediately rush into nuclear armageddon just because Russia drops one nuke on a country they're already at war with. They would try to make Russia an international pariah sure but they already tried that and it mostly didn't work.
>>2901412>me am democratic victim of unprovoked Russian aggression!<this means now I will go full scale Nazi terrorist and sacrifice half of my country to defeat asiatic hordes of Russia!How do libs even justify this shit?
>>2901414Not sure we’re talking about the same thing. Anons are dreaming about a Ukrainian dirty bomb, I’m just agreeing with them that it does seem like a very Ukrainian thing to do.
>>2901415Nearly a century of social conditioning to eventually make Russophobia the anti-semitism of the 21st century.
Non-Ukrainian libs backing literally anything Ukraine does as warranted
think they’re being Braveheart, but what they don’t realise is so did every antisemite in history who thought da joos were stealing their money, brainwashing their women, manipulating their politicians and generally acting like a secret society that controls everything.
>>2901416I'm just saying I don't see a reason why Ukraine would actually do it, it wouldn't change the outcome of the war
>>2901414>Even if that did happen, do you really think it would lead to direct western intervention?definitely would
pax americana relies on it:
* usa being the sole superpower is able to field the biggest and best equipped conventional army
* nuclear weapons scaling makes conventional armies basically obsolete.
* if anyone used nuclear weapons without facing consequence everyone else would have to start enriching uranium the very next day because otherwise they end up defenseless
* usa would no longer be able to police such a wolrd
* which means end of pax americana
which means in case of use of nukes usa HAS to intervene
>>2901421It's not even about joos or conspiracy against democratic races of europe, it's about urging Ukraine to continue fighting despite quite fucking obvious alternative of pursuing peace that respects Russia. They argue about how they need to trick Russia into surrendering, how they need to lie and steal to make it happen, how they need to troll Russia with piracy against Russian fleet and other kinds of antagonizing Russia, etc etc. It's entirely ridiculous.
>>2901415Libs view Ukraine like it's a single person who has decided to resist Russia, therefore we should support them unconditionally. They are incapable of discussing the infinity videos of the mobilisers dragging people off the street against their will and the fact that millions of Ukrainians have tried to flee conscription. They basically have some kind of mental retardation block where they think that "the end of Ukraine" would mean that all Ukrainians die or something so therefore any sacrifice is worth it. Basically they can't into class struggle
this is the literal sole thing keeping israel in check
>>2901427>peace that respects Russia.for what purpose?
>>2901425I mean I can see why they would want to punish Russia but how? Not like they can invade. I guess maybe they could send the army into Ukraine and just say "this doesn't count as an act of war against Russia because we're only defending Ukrainian territory" but I feel like that is way too close to actually starting WW3. American defense contractors don't actually want the world to end.
>>2901428Funny how libs also will ban you for posting that video, or photo, with woman begging mobilizers on her knees to not take her husband away
>>2901431For the purpose of saving Ukrainian lives, lmao
>>2901433Sorry, anything that makes Ukraine bad is vatnik propaganda and it's already been pre-bunked by western fact checkers
>>2901436*makes Ukraine look bad
>>2901422Ultimately Russia isn’t building a new world order, they’ve been expunged from western-led organisations on false pretences and just want back in.
As it stands currently, the Ukrainians and their backers have clearly been responsible for so much escalation and therefore the resulting damage that if the war ends now, there’s inevitably going to be the question (most vocally asked by Ukrainians) whether stuff like busification and car bombings were actually justified by the invasion.
If they got Russia to do something extreme like nuke Ukraine or bomb the UK or re-annex the Balts, that would retroactively justify everything Ukraine/NATO has done up to that point (self-fulling prophecy, granted) and can replace open conflict in Ukraine as casus belli to keep Russia excluded forevermore.
Nuking Ukraine would end the war, but it wouldn’t solve Russia’s problem.
>>2901435dym: rescheduling the war to when russia licks it's wounds and feels it's able to successfully invade?
this war will never end unless ukraine is defeated or secures a position that deferres a future russian invasion like nato accession which russians would oppose on basis of 'respecting russia'
>>2901427Yeah even a video Zelensky just released supposedly showing him outside Zaporozhye was quickly revealed as green screen and AI. They really are trying to apply “fake it ‘till you make it” to warfare but I doubt the intention is to trick Russia, more likely to trick western libs in to supporting the rapid transfer of their beloved SocDem projects to money into Ukrainian oligarch pockets, because when you lose the tactical initiative all you can do is just try to outlast the enemy’s resolve.
>>2901428Libs are also really reluctant to engage with Ukraine outside of Xitter. I’m pretty sure English isn’t widely spoken in Ukraine but they’re fine with whatever talking heads they can find who are Ukrainian and speak English as ambassadors for the entirety of Ukraine. Except when it’s Julia Mendel ofc.
But really this is the problem with libs, we have to go to considerable effort comprehending the world as it is, while libs need only to overly-broaden or narrow their world view until the world only contains what they want it to for a given circumstance.
>>2901462do you need me to spell out the difference between the situation of the countries in red and the countries in orange?
UkRIP is slowly letting the mask slip, but I would argue ut was never on in the first place
>>2901485Context: Zelenskkky recently praised Israeli connections and gave an award to Musk
>>2901474>NATO expands - breaking treaty with Russia>Russia asks to join NATO - NATO refuses>claims to be friendly to Russia, but doesn't reciprocate even one act of good will from Russia<RUSSIA IS LE AGGRESSOR!!!1Literally this
>>2901427 Even when Russia was extremely friendly to NATO and Ukraine, they still were hostile to Russia, but were masking it better
>>2901490Dunno what Palestine/Ukraine flags are so shocked by
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israelAnd he has achieved that, if by Big Israel he means
>Infinite Givas>Total Western MSM cover for war crimes>A “non-combatants don’t exist” policy>Promoting child killing as a morale booster >>2901509Informally it’s referred to as “the end of the Cold War”.
>>2901511informally it's called 'talking out of your ass'
>>2901415It's simple. If you're taking sides in an imperialist war, you just convince yourself of something retarded and proceed on the assumption that it's worth dying for.
>da subhuman orcs are trying to rape aryan ukraine n shieeet<le ukronazis are trying to genocide russians we wuz fighting upa n shieeet >>2901512Wars end with treaties, Cold Wars end with agreements. If you break a treaty, you renew the war. If you break an agreement, you renew the Cold War.
This isn’t a particularly hard concept to understand and the world isn’t a Hollywood courtroom drama where the existence of a document and a tap of the gavel is the end. Why? Because paper treaties get broken all the time and the effect is exactly the same as breaking an agreement, something was mutually beneficial until one side decides they can be the sole beneficiary of a situation.
>>2901521if that's the case it's sad that we've noone to fight with anymore
>>2901521The US/NATO has done nothing but scour the world for people to fight since 1991
>>2901244>You think its going to start with an attack on nato via russian agentsmmmm… it's not an easy prediction. Russia has warned many times that the use of infrastructure outside Ukraine to provide assistance for the war is not something that Russia will let it go.
On the other hand, how effective can it be?
And Europe most likely will retaliate.
Similar like in 2022, before February 22, I won't conclusively say it won't happen.
Ukrainian führer Zelenskyy is sending his top two neo-nazi commanders Biletsky and Prokopenko to save Slavyansk and Kramatorsk with two Azov supernazi units armed with the latest NATO weaponry.
What I think is going to happen is that the Azovites will be used as barrier troops while pressganged, handcuffed recruits are bussed to the front. Like in Enemy at the Gates.
>>2901521Agreements are only valid so long as both sides can enforce the terms. The USSR decided to commit ritual suicide on itself so of course the Americans weren't going to respect any agreements about NATO expansion. Soyjacking about legal niceties is equivalent to Cucktin crying nonstop about being deceived and is part of the problem. Ok so you attack Ukraine and got stuck in a war that's going to take decades to resolve and weakened yourself even further, great how did that accomplish anything regarding NATO expansion? The idiocy of the Russian ruling class is quite something to behold it's like the CIA handpicked the most retarded possible people to lead Russia after…oh wait that's exactly what they did. Russians need to replace their leadership, because victory for them is impossible unless they revert back to Soviet ideology. I can confidently state that there will be at minimum another 5 years of this war, given the current pace.
>>2901532So in short you think Russians are to blame for the illegal dissolution of the USSR and therefore deserve their genocide. Again I ask why we allow Hohols and Banderites to post their garbage here when we wouldn’t allow Israelis to do the same?
>>2901534what was illegal about dissolution of ussr? how are russians getting genocided?
>>2901534>YOU SUPPORT GENOCIDING RUSSIANS REEEEEHow has this become the go-to """"argument"""" of every braindead Russian nationalist?
>>2901537>>2901540A couple of boomers felt humiliated because NATO inflated and touched "their" clay. Also some hohols passed language laws, and this prompted them to intervene but officially only 8 years later, and then they fucked this up. And now the best they can do is hit power plants and shopping malls full of civies instead of funerals attended by literal nazis. Oh and capturing outhouses. And if you think any of this is slightly dumb and doubt the great leader's consummate genius for organizing this all you supp000rt the final solution to the Russian question and want to Generalplanost them all.
>>2897208update: there was a film showing followed by a Q&A. I had other stuff to do so I didn't bother with the Q&A, but the film is called Road to Freedom. it doesn't seem to be uploaded anywhere, probably because it's not finished yet. seems to consist of much the same material as is already on their youtube channel. here are some notes I took
>lots of jerking themselves raw over Makhno>they claim Makhno is super popular and is viewed as a hero of the people>zero mention of any other supposed heroes of the Ukrainian people>they claim Russia invaded Donbass in 2014>implications that Russians moving to Donbass is a deliberate act of ethnic replacement by Russia>there was a union rep who wanted givas>zero mention of the suppression inside Ukraine, besides the laws against union organizing>not much of a stink is raised about said laws>they claim NATO isn't involved because there are no NATO troops at the front>they say Russia is a big spoopy imperialist state, but mention Western imperialism zero times>they talk about Ukraine after the war, and imply that Ukrainians that have fled are cowardsthe one thing I found interesting is that they have unions inside their war industry. these are likely extremely cucked, but there's potential there
>>2901408>>2901411yeah, Ukraine had the Tochka-U missiles. They know it will carry serious consequences, though.
>>2901532>accomplish anything regarding NATO expansion?The SMO operation goals don't state:
>'Stop nato expansion'As per usual, bad faith arguing.
>>2901532That assumes that the ukraine is lead by people who are qualitatively similar if not better than the RF though - which they are not. The 90s never ended for Ukraine and le western nato stronk myth has been shredded since their zaporozhye offensive
>>2901529But how do they intend to punish and deter Europe? I suppose they could directly strike european nato and then dare them to retaliate whilst using their nuclear umbrella, but that seems awfully risky and would require a obvious provocation from the europeans that they can sell to the PRC.
The other method of engaging local criminal elements to generally cause chaos and undermine europe seems much less risky
>>2901547Is it as dumb as revealing yourself as both thrillpill and spurdo?
>>2901144"Elsewhere" is also facing food production issues via a combination of climate change and disruption to fertilizer markets from nato's wars on Russia and Iran.
Advocating for nuclear war should be a bannable offense.
>>2901144Dude, Europe lives under rampant capitalism. Of course they can starve, even with full shelves. In fact, majority of famines happened with enough food in granaries to distribute evenly and avoid deaths
>>2901578The secret protocols of SMO stipulate the total collapsing of Nato and EU.
>>2901532>The USSR decided to commit ritual suicide on itself so of course the Americans weren't going to respect any agreements about NATO expansion. The problem with this take is that said suicide almost certainly would have happened without this agreement, even counter-revolutionaries like Yeltsin wouldn't have been so eager to dissolve the USSR if they could see that as soon as 1997 NATO would start discussing expansion, let alone the current circumstances.
But even despite that, why the fuck not? The threat of the balance being tipped in the Cold War was nuclear war and the Russian Federation still had
all the nuclear weapons the USSR did.
It's not me soyjacking about legal niceties, it's yourself and most other libs thinking "we had our fingers crossed behind our backs and we're very smart" is at all relevant to why NATO expansion was a reckless act of war.
>>2901547>A couple of boomers felt humiliated because NATO inflated and touched "their" clay. This was a plausible take circa 2004, but given NATO expansion had progressed to NATO armed Neo-Nazis launching missiles at Russian speakers right on the Russian border (ditto this provoking an invasion that NATO celebrates as fantastic news for how many Russian soldiers are dying compared to how many uniformed NATO troops), it simply no longer is.
But that just demonstrates how long this plan has been in the making for NATO, that the defensive takes everyone has do date to 1999 and are unchanged 20 years later despite NATO expanding into a country where prior to "opening the door" most people were Russian speakers day-to-day and most people were opposed to NATO membership.
>>2901681I also like how nato is justified as a purely defensive alliance against Russia, while nato went on a 30 year world tour of destruction, and the country they're supposedly afraid of starting shit's last of threatening military actions are
>internal civil war>intervening in georgia which even the us said was justified>seizing crimea after a western backed coup d'etat installed genocidal nazis in kievAnd it's even funnier because Russia is doing exactly what posters here are claiming they wanted Venezuela, Iran, Syria, and other targets of us imperialism to do. Nafo shills itt cry about how Russian oligarchs and nato oligarchs are the same, but that's obviously not true because we're seeing right now what happens when nato brings your country into compliance in Syria, Venezuela, Iraq, and especially the former Ukraine.
It's as black and white a conflict as you can get with nato on one side and Russia on the other. Pretending to care about Russian lives while licking nato boots is pure dissembling.
>>2901784The issue is that Russia is hitting ukraine which isn't even in nato while supporting nato countries and israel. Their their rulling class is mostly sperging about hohols and bandera doing trench warfare in donbass like it's 2014 instead of actually attacking west. Nato is routinely bombing moscow. If the EU didn't sanction russia they would still give them free gas. This war is black and white yes but like cuckold porn
>>2901821>The issue is that Russia is hitting ukraine which isn't even in natoLiberal paper worship out of control itt. "Where's the treaty where nato promised not to expand? Where's the treaty that says Ukraine is part of nato?" Get real dumbass. Ukraine being a part of nato in every single way except autographing nato's bootlicker yearbook isn't fooling anybody.
>>2901821>and israel.Gotta abandon this line eventually, simply because you committing suicide and therefore no longer paying taxes does a lot more for the citizens of Palestine, than Russia losing in Ukraine.
Ukraine collapse status?
>>2901944buttocks status?
NYT: Here is why the CIA boss went to Moscow
<New information has emerged regarding the CIA director's visit to Moscow.
<US Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe made a surprise trip to Moscow on Tuesday to meet with the leadership of his Russian counterpart, the security service FSB. In recent days, it had been rumored that the purpose of Ratcliffe's trip was to deliver a warning to Russia against attacking NATO countries.
<The New York Times (NYT) reports that Ratcliffe's trip was specifically tied to the war in Ukraine—just as US President Donald Trump stated earlier.
<Ratcliffe personally delivered the CIA's current assessment of the Ukraine war situation to FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov, the NYT writes. At the same time, Ratcliffe urged the Russians to make a peace agreement before Russia's military and economic situation collapses.
<Reportedly, Ratcliffe did not meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin, but according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, the president was briefed on the content of the discussions. According to the New York Times, delivering the assessment came with no strings attached; Ratcliffe did not issue ultimatums about what would happen if President Putin does not act on the assessment's recommendations.
<Ratcliffe had also held discussions with his Ukrainian colleagues before going to Moscow, meaning the visit was not a surprise to Ukraine.
Why use the intelligence channel?
<The central question regarding Ratcliffe's visit is why the director of the CIA approached Russia, rather than President Trump's special envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, or Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
<According to the New York Times, there are a few reasons:
<First, the Ukrainians consider Ratcliffe, a "Russia hawk," to be a more impartial negotiator toward Russia than Witkoff and Kushner, whom the Ukrainians view as too sympathetic to Russia.
<Second, some officials believe Putin, a former KGB intelligence officer, assigns more weight to a message from the CIA director than to messages delivered through standard diplomatic channels.
<Third, Trump likely wanted to try one last resort to reach a peace agreement by using the intelligence channel, as communication lines between the CIA, FSB, and Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) have remained open despite the war. Ratcliffe also carries specific weight as CIA director; Trump has used him as a "discreet messenger" before, most recently in Cuba in May.
<Another reason may be that the CIA wanted to provide Russia with an accurate picture of the war's status, as it is not completely certain how sugarcoated the information being given to President Putin is.
<It remains unclear, however, whether delivering Ratcliffe's message influenced or will influence Putin, or if he will continue the war.
>>2902002Seems like USA fears collapse of Russian society due to nuclear stability while EU is looking forward of Russian balkanization.
>>2902002What that rat went to Moscow to do was first to beg for a ceasefire and then threaten the Russians. He if anything knows that Ukraine is fucked and needs a breather so that they can send more weapons and capture more meat to hold the line. Iran isn't much better for the US and Russia keeps supporting them.
Now t hey are spinning some imaginary "Russia is gonna Invade baltics farce" that Ratcliffe's hardfaced visit will eventually heroically prevent, just so that the yanks can save face and Europeans can further warmonger. Because nobody is believing this "routine visit between colleagues" done by a unannounced cargo plane flight to Moscow.
>>2902002He went to Moscow to pick up the spooks Russia captured in Ukraine.
>>2902002What does the us have left to threaten them with short of a nuclear exchange?
>>2902198> Ukraine is fucked and needs a breather yeah yeah we know, scraping barrels, collapse after bakhmut, running out of shells, everyone leaving the country and the rest
>>2902433>trigger warning: nuancethe state of radlibbery
still would though >>2900603>>2900617That was a nothingburger btw. U.S. government lowers its flags at night and raises them in the morning (unless you shine a light on it).
>>2902473Completely retarded to compare a fascists dictator who tortures and murders any opposition to american liberals pretending to be conservative.
>>2902534>fascists dictator who tortures and murders any oppositionThat fascist dictator gave up Navalny to German healthcare system at the first signs of Navalny being ill, lmao
>>2902535After FSB poisoned him with a chemical weapon.
>>2902536Nobody poisoned him with anything, medical expertise declared that he had some elderly shit
>>2902536>>2902540Oh, and by the way, "novichok" nonsense is what British glowies are doing, they just have a habit of blaming Russia for it
>>2902541>>2902540>>2902536Novichok was incredible
>It's like a million times deadlier than VX Nerve gas, a single drop of it can wipe out entire cities! Its use is extremely high risk, we are all at risk of dying horribly due to Russian agents!>But Russia keeps failing to kill their targets with it, because they're just incompetent Another ammo depot in Kiev “accidentally” placed next to residential areas went bang.
>>2902561The laws of chemistry work differently in Russia. Their dark, orcic energy only allows their chemical industry to produce a single kind of poisonous substance that has a Russian name. If examine this molecule under a microscope, you will see that it actually has arms and legs and it regularly performs that Russian squat dance, when it isn't playing Counter-Strike.
>>2902002>Ratcliffe urged the Russians to make a peace agreement before Russia's military and economic situation collapsesThe reason why a member of a state apparatus would go to another country to ask them for peace which is physically dangerous, puts you under suspicion among your own and humiliates the country whose interests you represent is because your country has been doing so well fighting the war that you started getting concerned if the defeat of your enemy won't hurt them too much. Maybe the real friends are the mortal enemies we have been meaning to conquer for about a century or more. As Sun Tzu said: when you see your enemy making a mistake, start begging them to stop immediately.
>>2902652It was also developed in a KGB laboratory X!
https://newlinesmag.com/essays/drink-me-the-kremlins-long-evil-history-of-poisoning-its-enemies/Let's see the poisons:
>In short order, the poisons were exported for use against Russian political exiles, starting with Gen. Alexander Kutepov, a tough anti-Bolshevik and a veteran of the Russian Civil War, and the head of the military wing of the anti-Soviet émigré organization ROVS (Russian All-Military Union). In January 1930, a bystander saw Kutepov snatched from the streets of Paris by four unknown assailants and injected with something; he was shuffled into a car and driven off, never to be seen or heard from again.Inject with something and abduct! Classic poisoning scheme!
>Stalin soon had Yagoda arrested and accused, ironically, of poisoning several prominent Russians including Yagoda’s predecessor, Vyacheslav Menzhinsky, as well the famous Russian writer Maxim GorkyStalin poisoned Gorky!!!1
>Although the Soviet secret services dispensed with Mairanovsky, they didn’t give up on his weapon of choice. In 1959, Stepan Bandera, leader of the Ukrainian independence movement, was shot on the streets of Munich with a bullet filled with a cyanidePoisoned with a cyanide bullet!
>And the research never stopped. In 1978, a Bulgarian dissident, Georgi Markov, was famously killed after an assassin stuck an umbrella point into his leg, injecting him with a pellet filled with ricin, a poison found naturally in castor beans and therefore somewhat easy to manufacture, making its point of origin harder to uncover.Only actual poisoning, lmao
>It was a period of guns, bombs, and missiles, but not poisons. The lone exception to this rule involved Novichok, which was used against a Russian financier in a purely commercial dispute. The killers had bribed one of the scientists who’d formerly worked on the Soviet program to manufacture a small dose – the rare instance of a state actor being seconded by non-state actors to deploy the nerve agent.It must have been novichok!!!1
>In March 2002, he was hiding in the mountains of the North Caucasus, surrounded by his bodyguards, and was expecting a letter from Saudi Arabia. To prevent being tracked by the FSB, Khattab communicated only via couriers, much as Osama bin Laden later did in Pakistan. The FSB had recruited one of them and poisoned an intercepted letter with a nerve agent, whose toxins were released slowly upon contact. The letter was delivered. Khattab opened it, read it, and threw it into a campfire. Three days later, he suddenly started foaming at the mouth. In a few hours, he was dead.OBVIOUSLY it was Russia who poisoned a Chechen warlord!
>ow they’d die horrible, agonizing deaths that would torment their friends and families. It was right out of Stalin’s textbookDisregard Stlain's methods as described before, lol
>Politkovskaya had drunk a cup of tea on the plane and lost consciousness. It was widely assumed she’d been poisoned so as to stop her from reporting live from the massacre. She survived, only to be fatally shot outside her apartment building two years later. Novichok killed her with a bullet two years later! No relation to being a frequent visitor to a circle of people famous for being good with human rights and not responsible for any terrorist acts, nonono
Then:
>Even President Trump, it was reported, was chilled by the sight of lifeless Syrian children following the Assad regime’s use of chemical weapons in Douma in April 2018, an attack which led to a U.S. and UK military response against the facilities which manufactured and distributed those weapons.Fun fact: it was proven that the ones committing massacre were false-flagging anti-Assadists
>When Litivineko was irradiated in London, a popular Russian newspaper claimed he’d succumbed to his own criminal business activity – namely that he’d tried to hawk radioactive materials on the black market and had accidentally killed himself with them. Many Russians found that theory credible. More than a decade hence, at the height of Salisbury’s containment in 2017, Russian state television was fond of insisting that Sergei and Yulia Skripal weren’t poisoned at all; rather, their entire ordeal was just a hoax orchestrated by British intelligence. Why? Because the Skripals, then under close British government guard, were never carted out before the cameras.
>To a paranoid and distrustful Russian audience, victim-blaming comes easily, and thus the target of state poisoning is attacked twice: first physically, then reputationally.You don't believe our conspiracy theories? You are paranoid and distrustful! Why would we lie to you on the internet?!
>>2902657>In 2015, opposition politician Vladimir Kara-Murza, who has lobbied incessantly for the passage of anti-Kremlin U.S. sanctions, suddenly fell into a coma in Moscow and spent weeks unconscious in hospital. The Russian doctors first alleged his sudden illness was brought on by a dangerous combination of sedatives, nasal sprays and alcohol. Most Americans, with their long history of antidepressant use, would have seen right through such a feeble misdiagnosis. But to an ordinary Russian, it sounded plausible. Kara-Murza thus went from victim to irresponsible self-medicator and boozer. He was poisoned a second time, in 2017, while traveling in Russia.<Most Americans, with their long history of antidepressant use, would have seen right through such a feeble misdiagnosis.
>Using Novichok or polonium means leaving a calling card. And yet, built right into this stark attribution of Kremlin responsibility are also the ingredients for conspiratorial denial. The West knows right away whodunit. Russians, meanwhile, are invited to consider that the culprit could be anyone and everyone except Putin."Conspiratorial denial". Conspiracy theory is when you deny outrageous claims, and not when you insist on them, duh
A funny cameo type of shit:
>Russian writer Maxim Gorky and his son Max Peshkov. During the Trial of the Twenty-One in 1938, NKVD chief Genrikh Yagoda admitted that he poisoned Gorky and his son and unsuccessfully tried to poison his own deputy (and eventual successor) Nikolai Yezhov. The attempted poisoning of Yezhov was later officially dismissed as falsification, but Vyacheslav Molotov believed that the poisoning accusations were true. Yagoda was never officially rehabilitated (recognized as an innocent victim of political repressions) by Soviet authorities.[5]This shit about Molotov probably quotes his memoirs, which weren't actually written by him or from his words at all, i.e. Felix Chuyev wrote memoirs based off rumours at the time.
Also,
>>2902657 this shit alleged that it was Stalin who poisoned Gorky.
>The first democratically elected President of the Republic of Georgia, Zviad Gamsakhurdia. According to former Deputy Director of Biopreparat Ken Alibek, this laboratory was possibly involved in the design of an undetectable chemical or biological agent to assassinate Gamsakhurdia.[34] BBC News reported that some Gamsakhurdia friends believed he committed suicide, "although his widow insists that he was murdered."[35]Friends believe he committed suicide, widow insists on him being murdered. it was the opposite for Bandera, authorities and family declared that he suicided himself, but friends insisted that a Ukrainian nationalist would never kill himself, he must have been poisoned!!1
>>2902002>Another reason may be that the CIA wanted to provide Russia with an accurate picture of the war's status, as it is not completely certain how sugarcoated the information being given to President Putin is.This line annoys me simply because it suggests the average NYT reader is more knowledgeable about how the conflict is going than the leader (and their head of intelligence) of one side does.
My guess is that this involves the CIA because the situation with Patriot missiles (or more accurately, the lack of them) is likely becoming a problem for the US. It's not a good look to expose that the US cannot make enough to defend client states let alone themselves, especially given the US bases that have exploded in the Middle East recently.
I'm sure therefore this is just yet another attempt to get Russia to agree to some sort of ceasefire, so the lack of Patriot missiles can stop making headlines and they've sent the CIA director to
try to give some guarantees that Ukraine won't just immediately break the ceasefire this time, which obviously he can't regardless of what vice they claim to have on Zelensky's balls to deter him.
You can imagine how it's a threat to "national security" if US troops find themselves in le drone warfare and believe (or understand) that the US is out of AA missiles to protect them.
>>2902669yo give me money or youre aristocrat
>>2902657>In short order, the poisons were exported for use against Russian political exiles, starting with Gen. Alexander Kutepov, a tough anti-Bolshevik and a veteran of the Russian Civil War, and the head of the military wing of the anti-Soviet émigré organization ROVS (Russian All-Military Union). In January 1930, a bystander saw Kutepov snatched from the streets of Paris by four unknown assailants and injected with something; he was shuffled into a car and driven off, never to be seen or heard from again.Based
There is no consistent defence of Russia's actions that doesn't fall into braindead campism. The national security excuse doesn't work because Russia has nuclear weapons, no one can invade it. The "Ukraine was subverted by Nazis" argument is blatant hypocrisy because American actions against Iran have also caused Iran to become hyper-reactionary, yet the Americans are rightly still considered the bad guys while Russia is apparently post-hoc justified in attacking Ukraine because Ukraine became reactionary in response to Russia trying to dominate it. There's no way that argument can fly without unironically saying it's only bad when the Americans do it, which is a nationalist/tirbalist argument that I'm not interested in indulging. Being reactionary against a country you don't like doesn't make being reactionary a good thing.
>>2902848"anti-campism" in practice is tacit support for NATO. this is easy to see because the "anti-campists" never demonstrate against their own camp, whereas the "campists" are the ones actually out there pointing out NATO hypocrisy
>>2902865I'm not pro-NATO though, it's an American protection racket, that's fucking obvious. Ukraine was stupid A) to want to join and B) to think they'd be allowed to join (they won't). That doesn't mean the Russians are allowed to kill them as Ukraine being idiotic is not a threat to Russia.
Jesus Christ, Russia at will destroyed 90% of warehouses in Ukraine
>Despite the fact that the enemy destroyed about 90% of the warehouses of retail chains, Ukrainians will not be left without food.
>This was stated by the Minister of Agrarian Policy of Ukraine Taras Vysotsky during a conversation with journalists, Ukrinform reports.
>“Today, roughly 90% of food logistics by retail chains has been destroyed, but at the same time, this does not mean that Ukrainians will be left without food. There will be shift logistics, as they say, with wheels, other options for operational supply. That is, there will be no threat of hunger and a systemic physical shortage of food, “ Vysotsky assured.
How is this even possible
>>2902929being "allowed" doesn't really matter. the war is a fact of life now, and the longer NATO is kept in it the better. it keeps NATO from harming other countries, notably Korea and China. Ukraine, and Iran, are lightning rods. both wars must be kept going for a long as possible
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