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• boasting about getting laid in a warzone is fucking weird, okay?
Jesus Christ, Russia at will destroyed 90% of warehouses in Ukraine
>Despite the fact that the enemy destroyed about 90% of the warehouses of retail chains, Ukrainians will not be left without food.
>This was stated by the Minister of Agrarian Policy of Ukraine Taras Vysotsky during a conversation with journalists, Ukrinform reports.
>“Today, roughly 90% of food logistics by retail chains has been destroyed, but at the same time, this does not mean that Ukrainians will be left without food. There will be shift logistics, as they say, with wheels, other options for operational supply. That is, there will be no threat of hunger and a systemic physical shortage of food, “ Vysotsky assured.
How is this even possible
BREAKING NEWS: Russian MOD declares that they are preparing for strikes on Ukrainian energy grid now
>>2903073The 90% claim is probably just givas bait tbh.
Speaking of givas, Zelensky’s latest plan ist eintausend drohnen pro tag! but of course he calls on Europe to givas 700 drones a day to achieve this on top of Ukraine’s current 300-a-day ability.
>>2903115Jason Unruhe is still alive and active? Woah
>>2903136I will say, the ratio of these memes is shockingly biased towards Ukraine. I know they need to present themselves as finding this conflict funny a lot more than Russia does, but still, why so serious?
>>2903153That's a meme about Russian retaliatory strikes, though
>>2903158I know but contrast this to that oil tank popping its lid in Moscow, NAFOids made like 9001 edits of that.
>>2903165They're imaginative, but the lid popping off is probably intentional. Considering how high it went, the pressure if the lid didn't give would have made an explosion comparable to what we see in Kiev daily.
>>2903167it got hit by a veering aaw
and those obviously pack a punch
>>2903115>One of the ur-TWist micro-ecelebs is a bothsider>>2901613Meant to use this one
>>2901679>but given NATO expansion had progressed to NATO armed Neo-Nazis launching missiles at Russian speakers right on the Russian border But Champ there was increasingly less of this prior to 2022 to the point 2021 only saw 16 (civilian) fatalities total
https://cdn.osce.org/sites/default/files/f/documents/2/a/511327.pdf>>2903073>BREAKING NEWS: Russian MOD declares that they are preparing for strikes on Ukrainian energy grid nowI'm curious if once Flamingos start raining down on the Russian grid, the Russian MOD will claim strikes on the Ukrainian grid are retaliations.
Because you know, they've been hitting "dual use" warehouses in Ukraine for years now.
>>2903197>only saw 16 (civilian) fatalities totalYeah see the "only" here is doing a lot of work.
>>2903201As opposed to 16 fatalities in a single night in Kyiv a few days ago.
Missed this one
>>2903052Thank god NATO and its allies were caught up in Ukraine. Otherwise Syria, Venezuela, Nagorno-Karabakh and others would have fallen by now. Gaza would have been destroyed, and Russia would be bombed weekly by now.
>>2903212What's the expression? FAFO?
>Meant to use this one
Lmao yeah okay, I don't care how many personas you have because I rekt'd them all
Neither Russia or Ukraine exist, it’s all Ai Generated, there’s not a single human being that lives and works out there
>>2903219Narc response but okay
>boasting about getting laid in a warzone is fucking weird, okay?
And just noticed this lmfao. #Obsessed
>>2903222Because I told on you? You told on yourself by being slightly more of a retard than usual.
>>2903224If you'd paid this much attention prior to today, you'd not have outed yourself as a samefag. I hope you're more careful with the boys of Lvov.
>>2903226I'm referring to the "rekt y'all" smugposting. Cemented by complaining about someone getting laid in the OP.
>>2903230And then this.
>samefagOkay I'll go along. Where?
>I hope you're more careful Pathetic
But lmao man, making my day
>Erm Russian-speaker civilian deaths at the hands of NATO-armed Neo-Nazis were on a downward trend ackshually, NATO was "only" responsible for the deaths of 16 Russian speakers in former Soviet territory in 2021 according to Western-based watchdog, that's lesser than prior years!
<Whatabout the Ukrainian civilians dying when Russian targets the NATO-supplied ammo depots Kiev placed next to their homes?
>>2903238I mean the OP says it all
>boasting about getting laid in a warzone is fucking weird, okay?No one twisted your arm into admitting you're a sex tourist, you presented that as a point anyone should care about. Now you're complaining that fact gets too much attention? That's pathetic.
>>2903240The report states around half were landmine related casualties during prior years. And it's not clear if all of them were living in DPR/LPR territory.
But I don't think you understood what I was getting at: there was a downward trend in terms of casualties. Now there isn't and entire cities have been destroyed. Including cities full of Russian speakers and Russia sympathizers.
Was it worth it? Is there socialism yet in the Donbas? Has the nazi regime been toppled? Did they prevent the "neonazis" from invading and bombing Russia? Or as another anon alluded to, was NATO prevented from targeting other countries? How are Gaza, Venezuela, Syria and Nagorno-Karabakh doing?
>>2903244No you're not getting the point, you claimed Russia's concerns about NATO expansion was down to boomers and embarrassment about clay, now you're moving the goalpoasts by which the NATO-backed-Neo-Nazi-Related deaths of Russian speakers on former Soviet territory was ackshually on a downward trend and
probably would have stopped eventually.
>>2903241Honest question but have you NEVER hooked up, including on a holiday or after a party? Why do you think something this mundane is a boast?
And btw originally the only reason that was ever brought up originally is because I was questioned as to how I knew what local Ukrainians were thinking and how I was running into people supposedly willing to be honest about their experiences. Which wasn't a boast.
>>2903245>No you're not getting the point, you claimed Russia's concerns about NATO expansion was down to boomers and embarrassment about clay,That's hasn't changed. I'm talking about the actual consequences of the conflict. And why people who "supp000rt" this here - aka (you) not the Kremlin - think it was worth it considering the war could've gone on for centuries at the 2021 pace, and it still wouldn't have led to the amount of yearly devastation we're seeing now.
>>2903246I don't go to active warzones looking for nightclubs and strip clubs that "aren't too expensive" to get laid from, I believed you once claimed.
I'm willing to wager that's true for most people, including those who are slamming supermodels every day.
>I'm talking about the actual consequences of the conflict.That is moving the goalposts from "NATO expansion being a risk to Russians" being pure fantasy born of a hurt ego, to "okay it was a threat, but responding to it meant NATO was always going to kill more". It's pretty obvious that with this mindset that the violence wasn't on a downward trend.
And if the argument here is "we should always do total war against the neonazis" then why don't they blow up a nazi funeral full of nazis (was it that spurdo poster who brought up "who attends a funeral of a nazi"?) if they don't care about civilian casualties (aka "a couple of civies" next to a kIev ammo dump)?
>>2903256>(was it that spurdo poster who brought up "who attends a funeral of a nazi"?) Lmao you know it was, because it was you in your concern trolling persona
>>2903255>That is moving the goalposts from "NATO expansion being a risk to Russians" being pure fantasy born of a hurt egoIt was. Why would NATO expansion be a risk to Russia if the latter has access to nuclear weapons? Do you think the DPRK is also at risk and should launch an immediate SMO even though they have nukes? Are nukes fake? Was Ukraine going to push NATO over the threshold were Russia would be defeated in a future war, even though the Baltics and much of eastern Europe joined NATO ages ago?
>It's pretty obvious that with this mindset that the violence wasn't on a downward trend.It's literally in the OSCE reports.
It was probably also you giving me that price on spuds in Tesco shit the other day as well
>>2903259>Why would NATO expansion be a risk to Russia Because it eventually expands into a majority-Russian speaking country with a population that was neutral-to-opposed to NATO membership, which involved a coup and installing Neo-Nazis who were tasked with getting rid of anything in Ukrainian society that would keep it majority Russian speaking and sceptical on NATO membership.
That was always the destination since they started discussing NATO expansion a mere six years after the end of the Cold War.
>>2903257Mods can check IP you know, I used to post under a different (non-spurdo) flag BEFORE I started papiez posting and namefagging ITT.
>>2903261And any of this threatens Russia how?
>Because it eventually expands into a majority-Russian speaking country with a population that was neutral-to-opposed to NATO membership,Well that isn't the case anymore now thanks to the SMO
>>2903264Mods don't care if you're samefagging, it's a pathetic misdemeanour at best.
>And any of this threatens Russia how? This is now just pleading insanity.
>I used to post under a different (non-spurdo) flag BEFORE I started papiez posting and namefagging ITT.
Go on, what was it? that "BEFORE" suggests this matters at all and that doesn't really follow if you're trying to claim you're not a samefagger.
>>2903265None of what you wrote explains how this is an existential threat to Russian sovereignty.
>Nuclear weapons>Self-sufficient in food, minerals and energy>One of the lowest population densities in the worldGo ahead and explain how Ukraine joining NATO would threaten any of this.
>>2903266One of the anarcho flags. Then I stopped posting and visiting the thread (and the board in general), and when I came back late last year I posted under the Papiez flag.
>>2903268>Critique the Kremlin and the SMO <This means defending Ukraine what goes on in that videoReminds me of Zionists claiming criticism of Israel or the leveling of Gaza means you support Hamas and everything they've done these past 20 years.
>>2903275>Critique the Kremlin and the SMO What are you critisizing, exactly?
>>2903273>One of the anarcho flagsWell that figures.
>Go ahead and explain how Ukraine joining NATO would threaten any of this. The part where the Neo-Nazis fail to achieve their goals and it sparks a civil war, which gets worse until it results in NATO boasting about firing long range drones into Russian territory that kills civilians and Russia has to deal with that in a way that doesn't end the world.
Like you can be a cheeky cunt and be like
>erm well if it's such a big deal why am I not dead in a nuclear war hmmm!?but I'd direct you to that episode of SpongeBob with the hooks, because children are expected to understand that getting away with something dangerous doesn't now mean its safe.
>>2903276The idea all of this was necessary to preserve Russian sovereignty and protect the lives of "Russian speakers in the Donbas" many of who are now dead?
As Spurdo anon (official) I can confirm I am not Grillpilled/Thrillpilled. I would rather die than be born a Lithuanian. I do appreciate that he noticed the obviously illogical refusal to target Nazi funerals though, so thanks for the shout-out.
>>2903278>The part where the Neo-Nazis fail to achieve their goals and it sparks a civil war, which gets worse until it results in NATO boasting about firing long range drones into Russian territory that kills civilians and Russia has to deal with that in a way that doesn't end the world.Except none of that happened. Like why the hell would they just start bombing Russia for no reason? Why would the rest of NATO go along with this AFTER Ukraine joins NATO in this hypothetical future?
The current strikes only started after the RAF spend years bombing Ukraine.
It's like hearing zionists talk about Iran.
>We had to do this, even though they could have done it for decades, or they would have done it first! >>2903284Are you curious why the Russian capitalist oligarchs actually invaded Ukraine or are just arguing? I would say the economic crisis caused by the global covid lockdowns is the biggest cause of the SMO. The rare earth metals and agricultural resources in Ukraine are also a factor economically speaking. We could use some better resources on this. Its hard to find any good information.
Speaking of which, I used to be sympathetic at least to the idea the SMO would prevent NATO from ratfucking other countries, and you know the whole killing nazis bit. But alas, it's instead Russia getting bogged down whilst technofashoid zionists rape the global south. And Russia itself is becoming increasingly reactionary, xenophobic and anti-communist (see latest actions against KPRF candidates).
The Iran war and visiting Ukraine in person got me off the bandwagon for good.
>>2903284>Except none of that happened.Again, the insanity plea.
NATO installed Neo-Nazis to make Ukraine pliable for NATO membership, it resulted in a civil war, through which Russian speakers got attacked by a NATO armed military, so Russia got involved and NATO embraced the opportunity to escalate and your sole defence is that we're not all dead or living in a nuclear wasteland so it can't have been a big deal.
As for
>Russia just shoulda let it happen broit wasn't happening anyway, if it were another Poland or Czech Republic then coups to install Neo-Nazis wouldn't have happened anyway.
>>2903280Are you denying the investigations into Ukrainian torture chambers for separatists? Also, do you think that Russian-speaking population of Ukraine doesn't deserve democracy?
>>2903281Hello spurdo
>>2903286>Speaking of which, I used to be sympathetic at least to the idea the SMO would prevent NATO from ratfucking other countries, and you know the whole killing nazis bit. But alas, it's instead Russia getting bogged down whilst technofashoid zionists rape the global southHello spurdo
You are an atrocious liar btw, you spent all this time denying Nazis exist in Ukraine just to come out with
>and you know the whole killing nazis bit
I suppose if you can't beat them, join them and party in their nightclubs right?
>>2903286You’re a Pribalt, your fake nation is literally built on genocidal Russophobia and anti-communism, and yet you think you have the moral authority to lecture the Russian people because they’re allegedly anti-communist? The country where the communist party is the second most powerful party and in a coalition with the natural party of governance? Oh nooooo but they disbarred a few glowies boohoo, guess Russians deserve their genocide now!
>>2903286Reminder: Katyn was committed by Nazis, not Soviets. Majority of Poles "lost" by Anders settled in USSR after seeing gulags from the inside; Beria's report goes over them name by name and finds them living in Russia as civilians, because gulags allowed free come and go and "prisoners" living in nearby settlements
>>2903292KPRF is in opposition not in coalition. United Russia is in coalition with the Liberal Democrats not the Communists.
>>2903285I think the psychological angle makes more sense. Yes the Donbas is valuable, but there is isn't anything (energy, fertile soils, key minerals) there that the rest of Russia doesn't have more of, and I don't think there were any official plans to annex the whole country. I think they genuinely believed (huffing their own supply) they'd be welcomed. And I do think the comment about Ukraine acquiring nuclear weapons must've added some urgency to the decision. But not in the sense that Ukraine would join NATO and then nuke Russia.
More along the lines of; the best time to intervene was "yesterday" and it wasn't going to get any easier.
>>2903288As the OSCE reports show the war was winding down in 2021. All of this rests on the idea that Ukraine would have joined NATO and then just started attacking Russia (not the Donbas) and then we would have nuclear war.
>>2903297>As the OSCE reports show the war was winding down in 2021.It doesn't matter if Ted Bundy killed fewer people in the year he was caught, it doesn't change what has already been done.
>>2903292I'm not a balt
>moral authority to lecturespooky
>The country where the communist party is the second most powerful partyHow many ministries do they control?
>natural party of governancespooky
>Oh nooooo but they disbarred a few glowies boohoo, guess Russians deserve their genocide now!Hysterical
>>2903291>visiting Ukraine in person got me off the bandwagon for good. >Ukraine killed a load of civilians but it was winding down and Russia should have let them become NATO members anyway and mobilise millions as NATO's forward army against Russia
I suppose that is the kind of retardation that leads to lying about living in Lvov getting down deep in some Banderite Bussy only to find a life partner you're driving around Ukraine checking out the tourist spots with
>>2903300>Visiting Ukraine in person got me off the bandwagon for good.I reiterate
>I suppose if you can't beat them, join them and party in their nightclubs right? >>2903304Yeah that is the conundrum when you're faced by an expanding military power that has the expressed purpose of aggression against yourself
>>2903296For the purposes of the SMO they are in a coalition, not that you have any understanding of Russia’s government beyond “muh oligarchs” and other Russophobic slurs
>>2903300Why do Russians deserve extermination?
>>2903307>You're a RUSSOPHOBEat this point the zigger propagandists are so terrible at their jobs that they might as well be working for the cia for all the good they accomplish for the west.
But remember gang, this is the picture of liberalism
>Help a proxy bomb civilians who speak your language and even identify as your nationality
>Slap the proxy
<Well clearly this is all your fault, I must give them everything they need to hit your civilians in your territory we do respect
>>2903304Unlike Israel, Russia has a right to defend itself
>>2903312Is there really any difference between these countries?
>>2903302I wanted to check it out in person. Instead I spotted one Bandera statue, one azovite, some OUN graffiti, a few pieces of merch. And a lot of people who had gotten used to the war.
I didn't find the "neonazi pressgang dystopia".
>>2903305>>2903301There was no threat against Moscow except psychological.
>retard, liar, sexpat, nonceImagine being this
d i s c o m b u l a t e d about something so mundane
SÉXO >>2903312Russia supplies 60% of Israel's oil and Russians themselves comprise at least 15% of the population of Israel, thobeit. For some reason leftcoms get mad at China trading with Israel but never bring up who's actually living in Israel. If 15% of Israel were Chinese everyone would be screaming about Chinese imperialism but Russia gets to supply most of Israel's energy as well as large amounts of actual settlers and soldiers and gets a pass? Make it make sense.
>>2903312Can you get to the point already where you call Ukrainians a fake nationality invented by Anglos, G*rms, Psheks and Hebrews and Russia is a civilizational state with a proletarian racial SVOL involved in a Manichaean struggle against the bourgeois-degenerate west?
>>2903317>I wanted to check it out in person.I reiterate
>I suppose if you can't beat them, join them and party in their nightclubs right?What you're saying doesn't follow at all, and you should probably get used to this because this is the point I want to get an answer for now. Not standard lib takes that although the border between East and West used to be in Berlin but now on the Russian border, it's definitely Russia's fault NATO drones and missiles are being launched into Russia.
>>2903318>Russia supplies 60% of Israel's oil That's the most retarded shit I've ever heard anyone say. Why would it waste money shipping oil via sea when it's surrounded by the most oil rich countries ever that have zero qualms about doing business with them and that can transport via pipeline. How am I supposed to take anything else you say seriously when you pull that kind of number out of your ass, LMAO.
Where did spurdo go btw? Did he really just drop in to say he's not thrillpill and then fuck off?
>>2903322My bad I rembered wrong: Russia supplied 50% of Israel's refined fuel.
https://oilchange.org/news/countries-fueling-gaza-genocide/Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan supplied most of the crude oil (70%).
>>2903285>Are you curious why the Russian capitalist oligarchs actually invaded Ukraine or are just arguing? I would say the economic crisis caused by the global covid lockdowns is the biggest cause of the SMOThat's retarded
>>2903328>Oil Change International>714 G St. SE, #202>Washington, DC 20003>United StatesA place famously against the Gazan genocide and oil in general.
>>2903331>>2903328Holhol site simply copypasted news from a reputable non-holhol source. Read it and cry.
>>2903334I'm not reading anything else your dumbass decides to incorrectly repeat.
>>2903319You said it, not us. But as we’ve already established you’re from a fake nation yourself, I suppose it’s only natural you want to defend your genocidal brethren
>https://oilchange.org/values/>Our Commitment to Racial Justice and Equity at Oil Change International >Washington, DC 20003Holy NGO dogwhistle batman!
>>2903332I liked how you totally skipped over comments from Palestinians accepting the report. And you accuse others of bad faith arguing lmao.
>We also strive to repair specific and ongoing harms caused by colonialism and racism within environmental and climate movement spaces, including in our own organization.
>>Washington, DC 20003
>>2903341I used the search box to search "Saudi Arabia", the top result when sorted (by default) to "relevance" was
>Russian Oil Production Overtakes Saudi Arabia>August 23, 2006That's the most relevant article they have for that search term?
>>2903331https://oilchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Behind-the-Barrel-3.pdfBut is the data fake? The report includes more info on where there data came from including
https://docs.datadesk.eco/public/976ce7dcf00743dc/>>2903337>fake nationBesides no being a balt, are there non fake nations?
>>2903342The US is famous for having no organizations opposed to racism, imperialism or colonialism. White protestant anglo KKKrackers all the way down.
>>2903320> I want to get an answer for now. This situations didn't exist before the "full scale invasion" in 2022.
Besides if this is NATO as you say, and this war started to stop NATO from bombing Russia which would trigger a nuclear war. Why hasn't NATO been nuked yet?
>>2903347>The US is famous for having no organizations opposed to racism, imperialism or colonialism. White protestant anglo KKKrackers all the way down.Not quite, they're famous for having organisations that pretend to uphold those values, while the US continues to fund genocides repeatedly.
>This situations didn't exist before the "full scale invasion" in 2022.There's no point deflecting, I'm going to keep pushing you to answer how you get from
>I used to be sympathetic at least to the idea the SMO would prevent NATO from ratfucking other countries, and you know the whole killing nazis bit.to
>I wanted to check it out in person.because that doesn't follow.
>>2903346The Saudis don't sell oil to Israel you fucking retard there's a long standing ban. That's why Israel wanted the Abraham Accords to expand to pave the way towards trade normalization with Saudi Arabia but it fell apart after Oct 7. Hamas explicitly stated it was one of the reasons for the attack, in order to stop Israel from successfully normalizing trade relations with more Arab states. It's why Israel is sourcing so much oil and energy products from Russia and its allies.
>>2903347>Caspial Pipeline Consortium<this means it's 60% RussianYeah, nah.
>>2903356Going to bat for Saudi Arabia are you now?
You are the retard here, because the organisation isn't solely about Gaza but just the ills of fossil fuels in general and yet somehow the most relevant item for "Saudi Arabia" is an article from 2006 claiming Russian oil production surpassed Saudi Arabia, i.e Russia is a worse fossil fuel offender than Saudi Arabia.
End the war alr brug
Like if you're against Oil and you're for Social Justice, I'd imagine "Saudi Arabia" would have a more relevant article than
>The populist Russian newspaper, Komsomolskaya Pravda, ran the headline yesterday: “Russia takes first place in oil output rankings”. The story was based on OPEC figures showing that Russia is now extracting more oil than Saudi Arabia.
>>2903354He’s a Pribalt, so it’s Russophobic solidarity. You have to understand that for these “people” there is no higher calling than slaughtering the untermensch and making a spectacle out of it. Same with American Soldaten, they’re literally trying to kill themselves because they haven’t tasted Iranian blood
>>2903367He's British. I have experience with the type.
Well okay, shit why not check the second most relevant article? Keep it fair!
>Saudi Arabia’s “Inconvenient Truth”
Okay promising
>New documents released by Wikileaks reveal that for over three years the Americans have been worried that Saudi Arabia may have overstated its reserves by 40 per cent or some 300bn barrels.
oh so that's the Saudi scandal, ackshually they might not have as much oil as they claim after all!
>>2903354What is there not to understand? Much of Gaza has been destroyed. Venezuela was couped. Assad fled. Nagorno-Karabakh was reconquista'd by Zionist allies. Wars in places like the Sahel and Sudan are still going on. South America has lost many sucdem leaders. Iran got bombed, Lebanon is partially occupied.
And during this great Anti-Ukronazi Crusade people like
Dmytro Yarosh still feel comfortable being out in public and attending a funeral with other nazis.
Ergo the things the SMO was supposed to prevent (according to the Kremlin or online z-gang TWists multipolaristas) are still happening.
>because that doesn't follow.Not an adventurous mindset then. Do you also struggle to understand explorers, anthropologists or modern day journalists?
>>2903367>Some groups are just like ethnically anti-Russian okay? >>2903373>Foreign military bases are imperialism nowThis is why China is imperialist btw, but not Israel
Maybe the third? The last one was dated 2011 afterall, perhaps this 2019 article is more biting
>Saudi Arabia’s $2 Trillion Climate Wreckage Sale
Climate mentioned, gotta be scathing this time right?
>Later this week, the board of the state-owned oil company of Saudi Arabia, known as Saudi Aramco, is expected to give its final approval to proceed with its long awaited part privatization, otherwise known as an “Initial Public Offering” or IPO.
Err, that's not what I expected from that headline
>Excitement is rising in the Kingdom, with everyone being encouraged to invest in the kingdom’s most important asset, argues Bloomberg. “Many Saudis see the IPO as a demonstration of loyalty”.
So they're not bummed about this..
>On the one hand, one could argue that there is a positive to the sale, in that some see the sale as an attempt by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to kickstart the diversification of the OPEC nation’s economy away from oil.
Oh well hooray for Saudi Arabia I guess.
>Often when we talk about our climate crisis and climate emergency, we write about privately owned oil companies, such as Exxon, Shell and BP. We often forget about the state owned ones, and the biggest state oil company of them all, Saudi Aramco.
Yeah that's even worse right, when the oil money isn't going to private investors at the very least
>Those who invest in Saudi Aramco will be investing in oil production, just at a time when fossil fuel disinvestment increases apace. And rightly so, as CNN points out, one of the risks to the sale is “the potential for reduced oil consumption due to concerns about climate change.”
Yeah stupid fucks amirite?
Maybe the fourth article will deliver the harsh condemnation Saudi Arabia deserves for 9/11 its oil profiteering and horrific human rights record, dated May 25, 2006
>Saudi Arabia Promises to help Reduce CO2 Emissions in Oil Industry
Oh fuck off.
>>2903375>What is there not to understand? Much of Gaza has been destroyed. Venezuela was couped. Assad fled. Nagorno-Karabakh was reconquista'd by Zionist alliesOkay so what about this drove you to seek out bussy in Ukraine, a key ally of NATO that is behind all of this?
>>2903381Are you willing to rethink, thinkanon?
>>2903381>>2903385But what does this have to do with supplying refined oil products to Israel?
>>2903387I think the US is even worse than Ukraine, yet somehow its enemies failing to topple it hasn't left me feeling curious to find what I can fuck in a backalley of Philadelphia.
>>2903330What is retarded is the idea that capitalist Russia which has spent the last thirty five years sucking Western cock and licking American balls, which paints itself as a Christian nation like the nations of the West, that embraced capitalism and integrated itself into the global capitalist system, that sold off the state properties of Soviet Russia for bargain bin prices to foreign investors, that consumes Western media, that cucked out and did nothing to stop NATO expansion, is now in an authentic struggle with the West and cares about a couple of Russian speakers in the donbass.
Historical materialism teaches us to look for economic causes for the problems in the global capitalist system. For example, the great depression caused world war two. When examining the Ukraine war the biggest possible economic cause is the "Covid-19 recession" of global capitalism. You can read about it.
COVID-19 to Plunge Global Economy into Worst Recession since World War II
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/06/08/covid-19-to-plunge-global-economy-into-worst-recession-since-world-war-iiCOVID-19 recession
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_recessionThe most logical explanation for a war between capitalist powers (Russia, Ukraine, the West) is an economic crisis of capitalism. When an economic crisis happens, workers suffer which can create revolutions. To prevent revolutions, capitalists create phony wars to get workers to destroy each other and prevent class consciousness.
>>2903388Nothing, that's the point dipshit. It's just another generic US-based org that's designed to direct blame for shit away from the US and its allies towards its enemies.
If the "supplies" (read: the sale of refined oil products on the open market) make up so much of Israel's consumption, why are Ukraine trying to eliminate Russian oil refining capacity while talking up what such great allies they are with Israel?
More to the point, when do you ever get to confronting the direct military supplies the west provides to Israel?
Perhaps because the DPRK merely survives against US sanctions and aggression, really I should develop the curiosity to find myself a fine Missouri woman who freely uses the word "Gook". That's how it works, right?
Or perhaps I need to go deep into Mississippi to find some enclave of people who thinks the Korean War was actually precipitated by the Jeju Massacre?
>>2903390finally a marxist post on this hitlerite wesbite
>>2903400>the last thirty five years sucking Western cock and licking American ballsYes, indeed, I believe this may be a reference to a famous quote in Anti-During
>>2903390The reason for war is not an abstract economic crisis, but rather a struggle for Euro energy market by Russia and USA and a struggle for Russian market by Euros.
For Euroids, it's a "how do we break Russia so that we buy Russian resources cheap and also flood their market with our goods leaving Russians with negative trade balance for us to exploit even further, like we did to Eastern Europe". Do keep in mind that Euroids had extremely profitable arrangements with Russia in the 90s, and they pushed for absolutely capitulatory deals with Russia, like Energy Charter Treaty, which would saw Russia be a pipeline transit country with no rights whatsoever to intervene into their own pipeline network, lmao, and also there was a stipulation so that even in the case of consumers not paying money, producers must still continue to provide oil to Euroids. This shit is what Euroids are after, ultimately
US take is that they have a horrible trade balance they need to fix by selling oil made in US, anywhere, for which they block other oil producers from producing and/or selling - thus they lobbied in countries like Poland and Hungary and Ukraine and Turkey incessantly to make them destroy pipelines going from Russia to Europe, culminating in USA supporting Ukraine war. When war happened, they no longer cared, achieving their goal, so now they are "neutral" - in that they'd like the war continue as long as possible to have Europe become reliant on US energy.
Russia wanted to sell oil and gas to Europe. That's it. That was the whole reason for dissoluton of USSR. Replacing Ukraine and Poland with multiple undersea pipelines was a way to deal with retarded nationalist governments, this resulted in, among other things, small-scale terrorism from greenpeace, random ass US-backed and Euro-backed lawsuits, etc etc. Political prisoners propaganda shit is also entirely due to economic pressure on Russia. What imperialism? Russia exploited every opportunity to go around hostile countries like Poland while also doing goodwill gestures like admitting to Katyn for propaganda points - and getting blasted with reparations demands, lmao (turns out, you have a relation to your predecessors! Shouldn't have denied Soviet and Nuremberg position that Katyn was done by Nazis). Last 35 years, all wars on Russia's borders were defensive in nature, Russia pursued stability. THAT SAID, Russia also did pants on head retarded shit like backing Yanukovich, who tried to play both Russia and Europe and wanted EU ascension AND Russian trade union benefits, instead of doing an oil deal with Timoshenko, but IMO that was a tactical mistake than it was an attempt to imperialize Ukraine
>>2903408Pick up the slack Sweden, joining NATO isn't like joining the Volvo Owner's Club. We don't talk about Defensive Driving, we talk about Offensive Nuclear Brinkmanship.
>>2903404>Last 35 years, all wars on Russia's borders were defensive in nature, Russia pursued stability. explain chechnya
the whole post is one big pile of crap but this one lie really gets me going
>>2903514Chechnya attacked Dagestan.
this shit is an inter-nazi war and i'm tired of pretending otherwise.
what's the point of caring if it's the atlanticist nafo banderite azov nazis or the rusisch duginite orthodox fundementalist russian monarchist imperialist putin-worshipping nazis who win?
how is this relevant to a leftist website if neither side will ever consider revolutionary defeatism, class war, the circumstances of the proletariat who suffer on both sides?
both sides also love israel btw think on that a little
>>2903800it would be weird if they didn't, every fourth israeli speaks russian at home
Russian neo-nazi Petrovsky was sentenced to life in prison for war crimes in Ukraine
<Russian neo-Nazi Jan Petrovsky was sentenced to life imprisonment for war crimes in Ukraine.
<Petrovsky is a co-founder of the Russian Nazi group “Rusich”, which fought in Ukraine on the side of Russian-backed militants and later the Russian army. He and Rusich fighters are accused of killing a total of 22 Ukrainian soldiers and seriously wounding four in the fall of 2014.
<In September 2014, near the village of Shchastya in the Luhansk region, “Rusich” militants ambushed and routed a column of the “Aidar” battalion. “Rusich” leader Oleksiy Milchakov, who took part in the operation, openly recounted how he took photos with the bodies of dead Ukrainian soldiers, while Rusych fighters cut off the ears of some of them.
<The court dismissed one charge that Petrovsky, who was the deputy commander of "Rusich," led the groupʼs fighters when they organized an ambush on Ukrainian soldiers.
<Petrovsky denied all charges. This is the first time Finland has charged a Russian for crimes committed in Ukraine.
<"Rusich" is a Russian neo-Nazi paramilitary group that is fighting alongside the Russian military in Ukraine. Yan Petrovsky became the commander of "Rusich" after his predecessor, neo-Nazi Oleksiy Milchakov, was wounded. Petrovsky faces 8 to 15 years in prison in Ukraine.
<Petrovsky was caught in Finland in July 2023 and identified by border guards. Since he is on the EU sanctions list under his former name, Jan Petrovsky, he was banned from entering Finland. He denied that he had intentionally violated the law, believing that the entry ban had already expired.
Flood detected;
i think what people are really concerned about, particularly europeans, is the possibility of a major upset in the post-ww2 geopolitical power balance that they have been accustomed to and building their entire economies around for the past 80 years. it's the same reason they've been scrambling to figure out ways to reduce their dependence on the us and build up their own renewable energy industries and militaries and even hedging their bets on china wherever necessary, because they know that russia would have never tried to pull this shit in earlier years and it is only because the us is failing and weakening and losing its global dominance that russia is pushing westward trying to take over ukraine. and it is very likely that the us will continue to get weaker and russia will be further emboldened to expand further into europe and invade more countries and try to take control over fossil resources/pipelines and western europe will end up in a difficult position, having to choose between abandoning their allies and eating russia's shit and praying it doesn't get any worse like they did with the germans, or retaliating and potentially starting world war 3. the cultural attitudes of russians and ukrainians aren't really that relevant to this, everyone already knows they're a bunch of drunken authoritarian bigots and even the most progressive democratic socialist countries in western europe aren't much better culture-wise, norwegians and swedes and finns are just as capable of drinking a quart of jager and beating up immigrants and throwing bananas onto a soccer field as anyone else is.
So now that the line is frozen, what went wrong?
>>2903840Putin is an honest denazifier. Russian nazis and Ukrainian nazis are killing each other for 4 years now. Da voynye!
>>2903869Widespread corruption and a culture of sycophantry made russian general staff think Ukraine was weaker and Russia stronger than they really were. Russia burned most of their fancy toys and trained soldiers in a failed opening leaving them with dregs and an industry strainong to support the war effort. They also got diplomatically swindeled by western powers who cleverly used any delay offered to them to reinforce Ukraine.
>>2903875Ukraine and Russia can find common ground and kiss in their love of jewish supremacy
>>2903892Putin and Wagner were BEST FRIENDS. What happen
>>2903892My favorite jewish restauranteur
>>2903965I fucking hate westoids and their psychoanalytical bullshit coming from Sigmund Fraud
>>2903875Tbh it's not that shocking they can find common ground in celebrating the defeat of the Nazis.
>>2904017Based, who need amerikanski acid water when you have KVASS?
>Axios, citing a source: Ukrainian officials said they have intelligence indicating Putin is planning a major escalation of the war.
Is it the Cherginov offensive, hitting the F16 sitting in shitty hangars or destroying NATO bunkers in Lvov? Hitting the F16 would be the best option, but you never know with him
Should workers support Russian crony capitalism more or Ukrainian crony capitalism more?
>>2904114>Should workers support Russian crony capitalism more or Ukrainian crony capitalism more?Neither. They should support revolutionary defeatism.
>>2904066Maybe Cucktin found some chinese wunderwaffen in his bunker
>>2904129More like old school bussification. Putler will make half of the posters here draftoids before this is over
The recent strikes on Kiev must have been pretty bad if the shill posts itt are any indication.
>>2904146Oh yeah.
We are gonna get drafted, you see. Unlike the busified copekrainians.
To all the nato-leftists.
What do you want to hear to change your position about the war?
I'll be reading you.
I'll leave my counter-answer once I get some feedback.
>>2904152You say something Pribalt? Some whining about muh subhuman vatniks?
>>2904185most nafoid shills are euros panicking because once russia wins their lives are basically fucking over
Expecting the nafo posting to get more hysterical as images start to pop up of Ukrainians starving.
>>2904185For the Kremlin to stop being xenophobic, homophobic, end its supp00rt for open reactoids (west and east), the panopticon shit, and obliterate the actual ukronazis (and its own nazis) instead of bombing power plants and shopping malls?
I think that ship sailed around when Crocus happened however. There was a chance they were actually gonna be serious about this whole "civilizational state" larp. But it's all bullshit.
>>2904186Hysterical
>>2904272Zionists at least for the most part like to deny they're doing this
>>2904349Thank you for taking time out of your busy sex tourism schedule to post
>>2904185Zyuganov should take power.
From time to time I wonder whatever happened to that hohol that was downloading Elder Ring as the SMO started.
grillpilled why arent you in the utg threads. Why did you come back?
>>2904360He finished the game and then had nothing to do for a while
>>2904261>not engaging in good faith.Ok, you don't come here to nuance your opinions. you are obviously a troll.
>>2904349📝
>>2904359📝
>>2904252📝
>>2904384No wonder Ukrainians do not want to defend Ukraine. It's a death sentence to be sent to the frontlines. And also, why Ukrainian nationalists are never to be seen anywhere near the frontlines: they still have a nation to build!
>>2904385Nationalism is built on strength. You can carve it out in a victim of your own nationalism, but launching aggression and failing? Nationalism doesn't survive humiliation like that.
Germany and Japan had the sense to surrender, at least. Ukrainian nationalists cut their own population in half, just so fuckwits in charge could buy Bentleys and properties abroad.
>>2904388Germany had child soldiers defending berlin, they didn't really surrender until the entire high command was swapped after the bunker party
>>2904393Yeah, Germans are a true slave race, couldn't even rise to defend themselves from annihilation. If it wasn't for Stalin's kindness, there would be no German state or people anymore
>>2904185What's there to be said? It would be difficult for anyone who thinks the SMO is not wholesome or historically progressive or justified by a photo of Ukrainians with swastikas to start fooling themselves that it is actually the case based on hearing something new about this conflict.
>>2904252absolutely nothing changes in my life whether russia loses or wins
>>2904393Ziggers like to say that ukrainians are authentic nazis with wunderwaffen, volksturm and all but they have the notion that they don't need to take kiyv to win the war, just throw hands in the donbass until the prophetized collapse in two weeks
>>2904419There was a race to Berlin between the USSR and Western Powers. There’s no race to Kiev this time around, if Russia only captures the territories it lays claim to via referendums and the conflict ends there, then Russia’s military expenditure goes way down again while the West is stuck with a Kiev whose appetite for givas will exponentially grow as it insists the West foots the bill for its rebuilding.
Which, lmao yeah, fat fucking chance of getting penny one out of the EU once the conflict is over.
>>2904421> then Russia’s military expenditure goes way downnta but what about the part of the russian population that was thrown to the grinder? I dont think this war was worth it
>>2904411That's just stopping another unified german state, it doesn't destroy germans, nobody in the german states saw itself exclusively as a bavarian or an hanoverian.
Wasn't Poland the one country that the US didn't care about and only exist because of the polish SSR ?
>>2904411So that's another thing to add to the long list of Stalin's fuckups
>>2904423If the Russian military is indeed all professional soldiers, then those men are already out of economic work at the point of joining rather than at the point of being thrown in the meat grinder. For a conscript army like Ukraine’s, you’re consuming labour in favour of the conflict and you do this only because the economy is already busted and not the primary concern for the leadership, rather it’s just about keep their heads connected to their necks for a bit longer.
That is to say, if Russia was to have serious manpower issues as a result of the conflict, we’d already be seeing it now as hundreds of thousands have already taken themselves out of the labour pool.
Although really it is only Ukraine that throws men into the meat grinder. As evidenced by their conscription preferences. They don’t want to kidnap young, healthy men with years of economic activity ahead of them, they want the old, sick and apparently soon women as that’s slightly less cannibalistic for their labour pool.
>Ukraine out of AD and getting smoked daily while trying to figure out how to justify conscription women to fill the dwindling ranks
>The west begging for ceasefire and sending glowies to Moscow to beg for same
>The last two Donbas fortresses preparing to fall
>Gonzalo Lira and Daria get to look down and watch Ukraine collapse
>Lindsey Graham has to look up and seethe at the same
Is it finally happening after all these years? warms the heart.
>>2904430It will actually be finally joever when conscripting under-25yos males is back on the table, presumably at NATO’s demand. It’s the only social contract Kiev seems to have with its population and so far it has been avoided with le drone warfare hype. If these attacks on Kiev are genuinely targeting drone production and presuming that drone production does in fact primarily take place in Ukraine and not abroad, then Kiev will run out of excuses for not conscripting 18-25yos. At that point we’ll have to see whether they comply with NATO’s demand at the risk of civil uprising or if they call it quits at that point.
>>2904431>it will be over when the nazis let the people have a civil uprising because of le social contract!haha
>>2904436TCC officers already getting stabbed for mobilising pure-blooded Ukrainians
>>2904415Wrong. If Russia wins your life gets worse because your government will increase military spending. If Russia loses your life will get worse because your government will send all money to Ukraine for reconstruction.
>But then how do I win?That's the neat part; you don't.
>>2904411Stalin's benevolence ruined the world in more ways than one. I wish he had been even 10% of the iron fisted dictator libs characterize him as, the USSR would still be around. Dude was born to be a trans woman that grows into a grandma that bakes cookies for the village children but fate had other plans.
>>2904411>Bavarians OUT of GermanyYes!!! Finally!!!
>>2904441If any wins my life gets better because cuckssia yearns to give us westoids cheap gas and fuel nato's industry, wether the fields are owned by gazprom or shell porkies it doesn't matter
>>2904441>your government will increase military spendingalready did and i live better than ever
>your government will send all money to Ukraine for reconstruction.yeah and we all know building infrastructure is bad for business
>>2904423>what about the part of the russian population that was thrown to the grinder?You fucking retards keep bleating about this but it's only a point if you ignore the fact that the destruction of Russia was nato's ultimate goal this entire time. Yeah it's awful that Russians are dying in war, but how many millions more would have died once the federation was dismantled and the statelets that came of it were also set against each other JUST LIKE WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW? And not only that, but then the burgerreich moves on to China as we know is the next big step?
Antiwar sentiment is just pro imperialism. "Um, I actually care about Russians, and them dying makes me sad, so nato should just get to do whatever it wants." Fuck off.
>>2904423not an issue, russians are disposable
So why is this war being waged again?
>inb4 le interimperialist conflict
If these airstrikes make the ukrop govt move to Lvov, I will stop calling him Cukin.
>>2904500Thank you for taking time off your busy schedule of eating shit to post nafoid
https://thefloutist.substack.com/p/russia-is-running-out-of-steam-really
<Guy Mettan.
>KURSK—For the past four months, we have been told over and over again that Russia is on its last legs. Putin, we are assured, is panicking, hiding in his bunker, while the Russian people are supposedly on the verge of rebellion, angry at having to queue at petrol stations running dry because of Ukrainian strikes on oil refineries. This narrative, tirelessly echoed by virtually every medium in the West, appears to have become an indisputable truth.
>Yet, when confronted with reality, this proves to be just as false as the many narratives that have preceded it since the beginning of Russia’s military offensive in 2022. In Moscow, hotels are packed with Indian, Saudi, and Turkish tourists. And in the provinces, even in areas close to the front line, such as the Kursk region, life goes on almost as if nothing of any consequence has happened.
>In early July, a conference organised by Southwest State University here to mark the 83rd anniversary of the famous tank battle of July 1943 in Kursk gave me the opportunity to travel across the oblast shaken by the Ukrainian invasion of August 2024 and to observe the state of mind of its inhabitants fifteen months after the Russian military forced Ukrainians back across the border and the fighting ended. I apply no filters in this report, no moral judgements: I write simply what I saw and heard. It is for readers to form their own opinions, as with any reportage worthy of the name.
>Late in the afternoon, the square in front of the opera house in the city of Kursk is crowded. Groups of young people are listening to music, and passers-by pay little attention to the occasional sirens or the anti-drone alerts appearing on their smartphones. The streets are clogged with traffic, shopping centres are packed, and grocery stores are overflowing with fresh fruit and vegetables.
>In the outlying districts, the situation is somewhat more tense. Drone attacks occur daily. The power station in Lgov, along the Seym River 80 kilometres west of here, is targeted almost every night, and some neighbourhoods regularly experience power cuts. Most households are equipped with backup generators.
>The oblast’s fields are being cultivated and, here and there, roads are being repaired. Contrary to appearances, there is no shortage of diesel or gasoline for vehicles designed to run on these fuels. Some petrol stations, however, are besieged by long queues, except for those taking advantage of the shortages to double their prices.
>In Lgov, which is a small village in the Rilsk area, Anatoly, an old farmer, shows us the damage caused by a drone attack on 22 May. For reasons he still does not understand, three drones targeted his home in less than ten minutes during the night. The first missed its target and left a large crater in the meadow. The second destroyed his brother’s house—fortunately, his brother was at work at the nuclear power plant in Kurchatov, some forty kilometres away.
>The third obliterated his garage, car, and farming equipment, damaged his barn and house, and injured his wife. He shows us the wreckage of his car and the remains of the drone. He has only recently returned home. A team of around ten volunteers from all over Russia has already repaired the roof and façade and is completing the reconstruction of the stable. Under the amused gaze of a stork, other volunteers—mostly retirees—are busy restoring the neighbouring cultural centre, whose windows were blown out by the explosions and shrapnel.
>These volunteer movements are far from isolated. In Kursk, Svetlana and the organisers of the “House of Good Deals,” an aid-distribution centre for those forced from their homes during the incursion, tell us how they spontaneously assembled aid for the thousands of refugees who fled the southern districts of the region during the Ukrainian invasion. Through appeals on social media, they managed to collect donations from across Russia within a matter of days and provide food, clothing, and shelter to thousands of bewildered people by transforming Belinskaya Street into an open-air relief centre.
>They did so entirely on their own initiative, without any state intervention. One of the volunteers laughingly hands me a copy of the front page of the Financial Times, showing her surrounded by tired and disoriented people under the caption: “Refugee abandoned by Putin!” She is not the slightest offended.
>Near another village further on, an industrial farm suffered irreparable damage from a salvo of American-made HIMARS missiles. The silos have been ripped open, machinery destroyed, and the roofs of the sheds have collapsed. The last major attack took place in March. Only a few days ago, a strike with a first-person-view drone, an F.P.V., tore a hole in the roof of a large residential building, fortunately causing no casualties. Our visit is protected by an anti-drone jamming system deployed on the ground and, in principle, we are perfectly safe. On the ground floor of one building in the village, an elderly woman can be seen calmly going about her business in the kitchen, utterly unfazed.
>Such is life in the regions close to the front.■
>What is the mood among the population? Are people rebelling against Putin? Are they weary of a war that has now lasted more than four years?
>After several days of visits and meetings in the Kursk region, I am convinced that these questions preoccupy European visitors far more than they do local inhabitants, who have learned to live with war and who, above all, have the feeling of having relived in 2024, when the Ukrainians invaded, what their grandparents endured in the summer of 1943, when Nazi Germany attempted, on this very ground, to break Soviet resistance and crush the Red Army. It was the largest battle of the Second World War, and perhaps in human history, bringing together six million combatants, 6,000 tanks, 4,000 aircraft, and 40,000 artillery pieces—and causing 1.1 million casualties.
>Ukrainian losses during the 2024 invasion are estimated at around 40,000 dead and missing, approximately 1,000 armoured vehicles lost on each side, some 300 Russian civilians killed, and 130,000 refugees displaced. But it is not the scale of the forces engaged or the losses sustained that prompt recollections of the World War II Battle of Kursk. No, they arise because of the nature and symbolism of the fighting. From the Russian perspective, the rhetoric employed by President Zelensky, the timing and location of the attack (6 August 2024 versus 5 July 1943, with Kursk as the focal point in both cases), and the forces involved—a coalition of Western countries and mercenaries confronting a besieged Russia—amount to a smaller-scale remake of the Nazi offensive of 1943, which included not only the Wehrmacht but also Italian, Romanian, Hungarian, and Croatian army corps.
>I was also told that, during the Ukrainian withdrawal last year, Ukrainian troops set fire to a church in whose foundations the remains of 300 Hungarian soldiers were discovered a few months ago. They had been executed by the SS in 1943 after laying down their arms instead of fighting the Red Army. For the inhabitants of Kursk, situated at the crossroads of successive invasions, history often seems to stutter.
>At Ponyri, the epicentre of the German offensive some forty kilometres north of Kursk, the new memorial complex commemorating the great battle, inaugurated in 2023, depicts a Soviet soldier pushing apart two German tanks with his bare hands. Visible from miles away, the monumental memorial lists the Heroes of the Soviet Union who fell in battle—and awaits, perhaps, those of 2024.
>A new annex has already been built displaying the wreckage of Stryker, Marder, Humvee, and MaxxPro vehicles destroyed during the Ukrainian invasion, together with an impressive collection of Western weapons recovered from the battlefield: drones, machine guns, shells, grenades, ammunition, and missile launchers manufactured in Italy, Sweden, the United States, France, South Africa, and Turkey.
>This arsenal illustrates the scale of Western military assistance to Ukraine and the military graveyard that this war has become on both sides of the front. For Russians, there is no doubt that they are now fighting the collective West in a total and merciless war, with Ukraine reduced to little more than a proxy in this deadly confrontation. And this perception exists without any need for “Putin’s propaganda” to embellish it.
>This is perhaps the principal lesson I take away from my stay: Rightly or wrongly, Russians feel that they are once again threatened with invasion and destruction and that the offensive of the summer of 2024 was merely a local prelude to the current attacks against their civilian population and infrastructure. Every day, schools and buses are targeted and civilians are killed. Under such circumstances, and as long as this threat persists, they believe that surrender or concessions to the enemy are simply out of the question. With Putin or without him—that is not the issue.■
>Alexander Khinstein has been governor of the Kursk Oblast since 21 September 2025. He was tasked with rebuilding the region after the Ukrainian occupation of 2024–2025. What follows are extracts from his responses to our questions.
<How did the population experience the invasion by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 2024?
>It is important to understand that the Kursk region is much more than a border territory. A thousand years ago, Kursk was founded as Russia’s principal southern outpost and has fulfilled this defensive mission throughout the centuries. The same is true today.
>In the summer of 2024, the region faced an unprecedented challenge: the invasion by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Nothing comparable had occurred in our country since the Second World War. It was an attempt to terrorise civilians, take hostages, and destroy infrastructure. Tens of thousands of residents were forced to flee their homes in an emergency, taking with them only what they could carry. People lost their homes and the fruits of lifetimes’ work, while some lost what was most precious of all—their loved ones.
>What did this period reveal? It revealed—I say this without hesitation—the heroic character of the people who live on this land. The entire country mobilised in support of the Kursk region, and local residents demonstrated unprecedented solidarity by donating supplies, giving blood, providing food and accommodation, and supplying everything that was needed.
>Today, following the complete liberation of our territory, life has largely returned to normal, although we continue to live and work under difficult conditions, facing constant threats and daily provocations from the enemy.
>The consequences are severe: destroyed homes and damaged infrastructure. Yet the entire country stands with us and provides considerable support. That is why we are confident that we will overcome these difficulties.
<What are your priorities as governor, particularly regarding security?
>Security has always been—and remains—our absolute priority. Unfortunately, under present circumstances the threat is real and permanent. Enemy drones are increasing in both range and speed. The time available to warn the population and protect critical infrastructure has been reduced to minutes or even seconds. In our region, it is no longer enough to implement isolated protective measures; we must build an integrated defence system.
>Since early last year, the Kursk region, together with the Ministry of Defence and other security agencies, has been developing a civilian air-defence system based on the volunteer battalion BARS–Kursk. Data from the counter-measures systems of all security services are consolidated in a single command centre. Information on drone flights comes from numerous sources, ranging from mobile applications to street cameras. In this way, we have effectively integrated military and civilian capabilities into a unified monitoring centre.
>We have also begun developing mobile air-defence teams, primarily tasked with protecting energy facilities. Together, these measures constitute the regional segment of a unified national centre.
>This is not merely a local initiative. It is a modern security model that can—and should—be extended throughout Russia. The experience of Kursk is already serving as the basis for similar initiatives in other regions.
<And what about the economy? How can recovery be stimulated under such conditions?
>The challenges faced by our region have been colossal, particularly for the economy. By order of the President of Russia, the government adopted a comprehensive programme for the recovery and development of the affected territories of the Belgorod, Bryansk, and Kursk regions through to 2030. This programme provides the foundation for reconstruction. It envisages not only restoring what has been destroyed but also implementing key socioeconomic development projects.
>What have we done to stabilise the situation? We have succeeded in increasing budgetary revenues. As before, social expenditure remains our principal budgetary priority. Naturally, the federal government and our colleagues within the Russian government have provided considerable assistance.
>One of the key economic support measures is the Special Economic Zone regime, which offers tax incentives for new investments and business creation. At present, it applies to nine border districts where temporary relocations have taken place, but we are working to extend it to the entire region.
>We are currently implementing seven investment projects worth more than 200 billion roubles [$2.3 billion]. These projects will create more than 1,000 jobs and significantly improve the economic situation of the region.
<And what is the mood of the population? Has it suffered from the effects of the invasion?
>I speak regularly with local residents. And do you know what I see? No panic, no fear, no anxiety. I see unity, calm, and a willingness to help. People clearly understand what is happening and why. Moreover, they strongly support our army, which continues to advance step by step on all fronts. The Kursk region is a reliable rear base—a home front upon which one can always depend.
>The reaction to the crimes committed by Ukrainian militants during the invasion, and continuing to this day, is a subject in itself. What Ukrainian militants did in the occupied territories of our region constitutes pure 21st century Nazism: looting, torture, murders of civilians, violence and abuse against the elderly. Together with law-enforcement agencies, we are documenting every crime, and criminal proceedings have been initiated in every case.
>I am deeply convinced that a second Nuremberg-style trial awaits us: Those who gave the orders and those who carried them out will be held accountable for every crime, without exception. This is not merely a legal matter—it is a matter of human conscience.
>My message is simple: What the Ukrainian Armed Forces militants did on the soil of Kursk amounts to genocide and Nazism in its most abhorrent form. They are no different from the fascists of the Great Patriotic War. Europe, which once condemned Nazism and anti-humanism, cannot fail to see and understand this reality. Supporting an openly Nazi regime that glorifies the Second World War’s war criminals is a crime against the memory of those who fought fascism eighty years ago alongside the Soviet Union and the Allied anti–Hitler coalition. They are completely insane. It was a drone you could buy from Amazon, not a single piece of evidence was provided, except we just have to take the word of the "intelligence community" for it. Also, none of those alleged "hybrid attacks" resulted in any injuries or damages. Can't say the same for the Ukrainian terrorist attack in Monaco where they killed that oligarch a few weeks past.
As a result, Germany will suspend the rest of bilateral cultural treaties, renewed in 2011, with Russia, which were a direct result of the post-war order and the treaties that were made with the Soviet Union 1990 in during the reunification. That includes maintaining solider cemeteries and Soviet monuments, and the "Russisches Haus" in Berlin, which will also be closed - tearing down the last remaining communist monuments in Berlin and the East was always a goal of liberals and conservatives in Germany, but before they weren't allowed to do so due to international treaties.
>It's le great patriotic war!
as a farce
>>2905037Man they're not even trying to hide it huh.
Zelensky threatens ‘every airline’ in Russian airspace>Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky has issued what he called a “warning” to every single airline using Russian airspace, stating that any aircraft flying through it would be threatened by Ukrainian drones. President Vladimir Putin called the statement a “declaration of state terrorism.”<On Tuesday, Zelensky claimed that Kiev would be “closing” Russian airspace by virtually darkening the skies with drones. “Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still uses Russia’s key airports: Russian airspace is becoming completely unsafe,” he stated in a video address published on Telegram.>“Safe days in Russia’s skies are over,” he claimed, adding that his threat was addressed to “the airlines currently flying to airports primarily in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and other key destinations in Russia.”https://swentr.site/russia/644990-zelensky-threatens-airlines-russia/So now we know what this Leipzig business was all about
>>2905022 I think at this point Ukraine is more privileged than Israel now. Sure they get full MSM cover for whatever they choose to do and supplies, but engineering a whole scandal around a "Russian" drone attack against Ukrainian cargo planes in Germany that didn't damage anything or kill anyone or even provide an explosion to broadcast to the world, in order to justify NATO-produced drones being used in a way that """"potentially"""" carries the risk of blowing up a civilian airliner
and announcing this all upfront is beyond the pale.
>inb4 erm ackshually Zelensky is just boasting how many drones he's sending
Well flights in Moscow were already routinely grounded as result of long range drone activity, it was already mandatory Ukrainian state-issued joy to see photos of Russian holidaymakers sleeping on the floor in airports.
>>2905181what's the airplane situation in ukraine?
>>2905228Closed since 2022 because Ukraine is supposedly fighting a defensive conflict in their territory. Now apparently Zelensky wants to lay claim to Russian airspace, presumably to cope with failing to retain anything from Kursk. Make that make sense.
That being said, this is almost certainly peremoga than a genuine threat since this is the exact same rhetoric Zelensky used to claim that the Victory Day parade in Moscow was only possible with his approval since apparently then Ukraine “owned” Moscow’s airspace.
And really how can he lose? If airlines like Turkish Airlines or Emirates heeds the warning and stops flying, then great! Zelensky is a successful terrorist does apparently have command of Russia’s skies, if they continue to fly however, then no matter because I’m sure some supa sekret meeting happens where Turkey and the UAE begged Zelensky for amnesty that he gracefully granted thus also proving he has dominance of Russia’s airspace.
Oh also gunfights between the SBU and HUR on the streets of Kiev, being going on for like 10 hours at this point, but will almost certainly turn out to be a nothingburger.
lol the shootout between gur and sbu being blamed on "ruzzia", beyond parody
>>2905022jup, Stalin indeed made a huge mistake
>>2905251I feel like this would be big news for the "Ukraine collapse status" anons, but it's surprisingly quiet ITT
>>2904349>>2904359So what I gather is that your take is Russia isn’t progressive enough for it to be an option you’d side with in this conflict, as much as you’d want to.
In perspective, you would condemn the bourgeoisie in the English Civil War of 1640–1660, because the bourgeoisie isn't a progressive force. Or the French revolution's bourgeoisie, because again the bourgeoisie isn't a revolutionary force.
pic semirelated. >>2905272Not even watching it because regardless of what D-Mac did or didn’t claim about Ukraine’s chances in this conflict, there isn’t really anything strategic about Ukraine’s refusal to surrender other than a willingness to buy time with making human shields out of civilians.
Every day Ukraine refuses to surrender and au contraire chooses to escalate further is treated as its own victory, but if we dare to imagine diplomacy and compromise aren’t crimes against humanity, what have they gained by choosing total war with Russia compared to just committing to the Minsk agreements?
It seems that pro-Ukrainians think any amount of loss is acceptable because the EU and the next Democrat US president is just going to pay to rebuild Ukraine into a better country than before, but I can’t see any official commitment made to this end. Only promises that the west will stuff money into whatever pockets necessary to earn Ukraine its daily victory.
>>2904252>>2904408I just wanted to take a different approach beyond the usual bickering, trolling, or counter-argument.
See, I watched closely this jubilee video with tim pool; someone recommended it to me; and I knew after watching it why he recomended it. tim pool here moves to defend the republican party denying its white supremacist nature, to then posturing why white supremacism is good, after a series of spins where he gets cornered. Partisan hacks never argue in good faith, and if you can argue in a clever way, they usually end up in a corner where either they will tell you that there's something that can change their minds or, simply, they will reveal their true nature: people that will end up defending the same things they condemned initially. Just like tim pool does in the video.
So my idea is not to insist about something they don't want to admit, because the more I insist, the more they will entrench themselves into their position. No matter the evidence.
No. I want to try the approach in where they finally are caught into two contradictory statements, said by themselves, to see what are they gonna do. A tim pool move, a partisan hack move, or if they are genuinely interesting in learning.
>>2905248yep, even sharij commenting on the event.
>A shootout between Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) and Security Service (SBU) officers occurred in Kiev's Berezniaky district, according to Kiev-based public channels.
>At the same time, the SBU also stated that it, together with the GUR, thwarted an assassination attempt on "one of the leaders of the Russian opposition national movement."So the official narrative is that the SBU with the GUR thwarted an assassination plot, but ukranian media is saying that the SBU officials kidnaped stephan kaplunov, commander of the nazi-vlasovite rvc, and the GUR was rescuing him.
>>2905278>>2905248This is the news article where it says that the nazi-vlasovite rvc was kidnaped by "unknown" individuals
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/09/01/8051378/I guess in the following days either the truth is revealed, or the command was freed by an invisible hand.
Morning footage of the event, attached.
>>2905273Ukraine has attempted to foster peace treaties with Russia and they have all been rejected. Putin doesn't want compromise with Ukraine.
>>2905282The peace treaty offers to Moscow is
>Fuck off and forget about the Minsk Agreements alreadySo they haven’t really, that’s not a compromise, it’s just reiterating that they still think continued conflict is preferable to just abiding by an agreement they’d already signed.
>>2905278>>2905281Ah I can’t get to excited about it, although it looks pretty bad to have them actually shooting at each other in the capital, their factional loyalties in government are rumoured and doesn’t seem to originate in government.
So unfortunately I completely expect that the Ukrainian government will tell them to kiss and make up and they will.
>>2905284If you were Zelenskyyyyyy,
what would you do, then?
Just let Russia occupy you until the next inevitable conflict?
The issue is that Russia is making a claim on sovereign territory, while Ukraine is defending sovereign territory. Putin doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO, but what is the result of this conflict leading towards? A Russian victory is just a land invasion; conquest. I have no sympathy.
>>2905282But anon, isn't the ukranian map going to include even crimea?
or even the "greater ukraine"?
>>2905286yeah, this is low-level factional infight. Unfortunately, no one is paying some of the higher-ups to take arms against the government.
>>2905288It’s “sovereign territory” because Kiev denied the local population their right to self-determination. That’s what the Minsk Agreements were supposed to resolve, Ukraine violently responding to people exercising their human rights.
>>2905293I presume you also support secession in the United States?
Self-determination and all that.
>>2905300Their military must be fucking massive by now, I bet soldiers need only spend five minutes there playing around with some drones before being sent home with a big pay check in their pocket for carrying out their duty
>Great Britain, the Netherlands, Italy and Germany urge their citizens not to travel to Ukraine, and those who are already there to immediately leave its territory.
>European countries are warning of intensifying attacks and a difficult winter with prolonged blackouts of light, water and heat.
>Due to constant air raid sirens, the Verkhovna Rada is planning to move its work to the basement.
>Several special rooms and corridors in the basement will be set up for deputies.>>2904747They moved, but not in the direction you expected.
>>2905302Any time soon, as massive as it is, they'll make the
greater ukraine. or greater copekraine.
I love that people chuck out legal terms like “Sovereignty” and assume it’s an absolute good and a universal right. Wikipedia defines it as
>Sovereignty is generally defined as supreme, independent control and lawmaking authority over a territory.
the key part being “over a territory”, Sovereignty doesn’t require that you have a mandate from the people on that territory. Just that you have the (externally) recognised authority to do whatever you want in that territory, if what you want is to tell everyone to stop speaking their mother tongue because it infringes with your sovereignty then it comes into conflict with self-determination.
Before the language became a matter of “sovereignty” in Ukraine, there weren’t any problems of this scale in Ukraine. Then Banderites did make it a matter of Sovereignty and in that case bombing people for speaking the wrong language to the west’s approval is, in of itself, an act of “Sovereignty” but it’s not in the Ein Volk, Ein Reich Ein Fuhrer but wholesome people seem to think.
but it’s not in the Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer but wholesome way people seem to think sovereignty works.*
marx debunked russians
engels debunked brits
this means if you are a british zigger you are a revolutionary potential black hole
>Bloomberg: Europe is pressuring Spain and Greece to provide Kiev with air defense systems.
>These countries possess some of the largest stockpiles of Patriot missiles among Kiev's allies.
>>2905325Selfish bastards, why does Ukraine even need to ask?
>>2905327>why does Ukraine even need to ask?ugh, right? they are also vacationing:
>>2905297Can't they just work overtime, keep grinding, and skip vacations until
the last ukrainian is gone or ukraine wins?
it's not enough involvement already.
>>2905297Based EU officials copying Xi by sitting and doing nothing. If only Zelensky and Putin could learn from such wisdom.
>>2905338I know that childlike feeling, you know your parents promised you givas but they’re not hurrying up and telling me they’ll givas later, I think anyone would start throwing a tantrum on the floor of diplomacy.
>>2905360It’s quite funny how a supposed armed attack by the Russian military on German soil is a “Hybrid” attack that Berlin won’t trigger the sacred Article 4 just in case that results in escalation.
Putin since 2022:
>Please don't escalate I need Europe trading with me so Russia doesn't become China's warehouse please just Donetsk and Lugansk are enough please I will just use Oreshniks on empty buildings please
NATO:
DRONES WITH RUZZIAN PASSPORTS ATTACHED ON THEM ARE ATTACKING A GERMAN MINOR AIRPORT, ARTICLE 5 NOW
>>2905293so is it local population or is it russian minority?
>>2905389Accurate, but somehow the latter does seem more pathetic lmao
The leaders of the EU act like they’re committing insurance fraud, everything seems to revolve around proverbially throwing themselves to the ground and howling like a sissy to gain a settlement by which it’s now not an escalation to bomb Russian civilians.
>>2905441Why are those presented as two different options? The local population are majority Russian.
>>2905448oh nyo not the russian civilians expiriencing what ukrainians have been subjected to for years
what have they done to deserve this?
>>2905456because local population would mean natives and russian minority immigrants from russia
>>2905460Well Azov and other Banderites claim they’re super popular in Ukraine and advocated for a bloody battle against the moskals, so that.
>local population would mean nativesFirstly, no it doesn’t. Secondly, they are natives. Their families lived in that territory for longer that the modern Ukrainian state has existed.
Also if Ukraine pursues decommunisation and hates everything about the USSR which it considers illegitimate, then how can they continue to claim sovereignty over the 1991 borders?
>>2905292Self-immolations when?
>>2905395>EU flag It DOESN’T get sadder than this lmao
>>2905467doesn't make them natives
>>2905477are you implying they should start claiming 1917 borders instead?
>>2905508Sorta looks like they already do
>>2905289I’d love to see that though, trying to take territory from Russia, Poland, Belarus and Moldova over a 1917 claim that didn’t seemingly get recognised by anyone other than partially the Bolsheviks when creating the Ukrainian SSR.
>>2905505If you’ve existed on territory before the state that now claims sovereignty over it, then yeah you are a native. To deny that is zionism.
>>2905517ironically it's the very same lie zionists push
>>2905525It's actually chronically ironic how close Zionist and Banderite territorial claims are framed, both involve long forgotten "memories" of their existence in their respective territories. I shit ye nay a lot of the territory Ukrainian nationalists lay claim to (especially their 1917 borders) comes down to "Cossack memories", as in the absolute borders of what can be "remembered" that nomads had ridden within.
>>2905531It speaks to the flexibility of what exactly a Ukrainian is, to shore up their claim to 1991 borders then of course everyone who falls within them are Ukrainians, but then based on Banderite ideology practically no one is Ukrainian because there's very few who literally cannot speak or understand any other language than Ukrainian and doesn't have some kind of familial connection to Russia, Belarus, Poland, Hungary, etc.
Again, this is very similar to Israeli nationalism, that too is very flexible veering from uber-inclusive western social liberalism to outright apartheid state depending on who they're talking to.
russian claim over eastern europe stems from a muscovite khagan claiming to be the ceasar of all ruthenia (despite not holding any of the ruthenias at the time of that claim) so you shouldn't be the one tossing stones over dodgy claims
>>2905561Well look Zionists are correctly identified as religious fanatics when they claim some sky dude promised them lands, but Ukrainians being like
>Nomadic horsemen rode on your land once, gib me datis not identified for the retardation it is.
Is it normal that I stopped believing RU/UA historical claims because since 2014 they became increasingly retarded and purely made-up?
Examples:
>UA coat of arms is khazar temga
<Reality is it is one of the coat of arms of the Ruriks
>Photo of Gulag having child inmates
<Reality is the photo was a cropped version of a reenactment the day after the liberation of a concentration camp in finland
>>2905566Actually I think the origins of contemporary Russia are with the rise of the Rurik dynasty.
>>2905575Yes, because history is irrelevant. There wasn't a civil war in Ukraine because history reached into the present and demanded it, it's because Ukraine couldn't join NATO or the EU with millions of people who identified as Russians because that's almost like admitting Russia itself to both.
Already there was huge oppression against Russians within the Baltic states to more or less assure that an identifying Russian will never become the political or military leader of their countries, but it doesn't apply to Ukraine because unlike the Baltics there actually is a meaningful military to be utilised for both the oppression and (more importantly) for opposing that oppression.
https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr-wdr/leipzig-drohne-russland-100.htmlApparently German police caught a Belarusan guy who was originally "operating" in the Baltics, whose DNA was found on the infamous drone.
I can't believe this horseshit is now going to be the second Bucha. Nobody was even injured, no property was damaged and the drone was disabled by a fucking bus driver.
Meanwhile Ukraine blows people up in Monaco but no biggie
The biggest terrorist threat in Europe is going to be Azovites after Ukraine disintegrates.
>>2905579i realize that larp is central for russian identity so i won't even bother to discredit that claim once again because i know it all falls on deaf ears anyway
>>2905595So do your numerous bans so quit whining like a Ukrainian.
The annoying thing about this thread is that you have people that support Russia because of verifiable facts on the one hand and people that support nato because of imaginary bullshit on the other.
>>2905269>So what I gather is that your take is Russia isn’t progressive enough for it to be an option you’d side with in this conflict, as much as you’d want to.That's the crux of it. There was a promise that for all its flaws Russia was going down a "progressive" route. Tear down the post-Soviet borders, act like an actual "civilizational state", etc. With Putin becoming someone Zelensky could never be, i.e. the world spirit looking beyond the pettiness of ethnonationalism, dismantling the post-cold war order.
But it's all bullshit. See for example how they dealt with the Crocus aftermath. Instead of telling reactoids to stfu, they decided to placate them. The same goes for all this "traditionalist" nonsense in general. Like sure, I dunno if you're one of them. But if you believe people who swear by "no fags, no migrants, traditionalist gender roles" are gonna do communism tomorrow then you do you.
I also can't take this "anti-nazi" argument very seriously when they invite reactoids and people like Kayne West to Russia. Or they think it's okay to bomb power plants and shopping malls full of proles/ civilians but not funerals full of nazis.
Like say what you want about Zionists, but when they declare someone a threat they go straight for the jugular. No one's off-limits. Not Hamas leaders, not Nasrallah, not the Supreme Leader. Doesn't matter if they're surrounded by hundreds of civilians; they get eliminated.
Aside from that they failed to save Maduro and are now rubbing shoulders with… the Taliban and a former member of Al-Qaeda (who also helped depose Assad).
It's all bleak realpolitik and bourgeois ethnonationalism. Pity both sides can't lose an all that.
>you would condemn the bourgeoisie in the English Civil War of 1640–1660 The difference here is that the current Kremlin leadership did not come to power after deposing a (feudal) aristocracy and are now trying to enforce a (despicable) status quo (like say Haiti).
But I do think Cromwell here is a good example of the problem; you can admire and recognize the progressive cause in ending the reign of Charles (and his attempt at absolutism). Whilst still condemning Cromwell for the religious fundamentalism and what happened in Ireland. Similar to how its possible to approve of Putin cracking down on some oligarchic excesses after 1999 as well as domestic reactionaries (sometimes literal nazis). Whilst not approving of cozying up to reactionaries (both domestically and abroad) nowdays or the Ukraine shitshow.
It's not that
I disagree with killing nazis it's that I disagree with how this war is fought, and what the Kremlin is doing domestically and internationally nowadays.
That could change (stranger things have happened), but I doubt it will.
>>2905665>people that support nato because of imaginary bullshit Like what? Who actually (uncritically) supports NATO here anyway? Other than that racist drive-by Bulgarian?
>>2905728All the NATO shills dumb enough to openly declare it get banned.
All that remains is tacit support for NATO by opposing Russia no matter what, and its fight against NATO is not a factor at all.
Why the biggest, most powerful, most damaging anti-communist organization in history is not a factor to alleged "communists" is never explained by them. The best you get are examples of someone else doing anti-communism.
>>2905886No, they're "not real socialism", so they're not obligated to care when the heart of reactionary darkness feasts.
>>2905269>Or the French revolution's bourgeoisie, because again the bourgeoisie isn't a revolutionary force.I think a better analogy for Putin is Napoleon III or maybe Santa Anna. Like the whole trying to restore former glory thing and enjoying a great deal of success for awhile before crashing out while starting a war with Prussia that ended up paving the way to a united Germany.
>>2905725>Like say what you want about Zionists, but when they declare someone a threat they go straight for the jugular. No one's off-limits. People would say that Harbu Darbu song was cringe but most of the people those Israeli zoomers said they were going to kill did get killed. Well except for Dua Lipa and Mia Khalifa but I wouldn't put it past them. But Putin is much more of the Bonapartist leader given his tendency toward indecision and inability to commit. Policy is driven by short-term tactical opportunities.
Another residential ammo dump just went bang.
You’d have thought that after the last few cases of “negligence” that they’d have hauled it all out of residential areas. But that’s the narrative Zelensky is apparently going with, it’s negligence rather than intentional but sorry you’re going to have to live with negligence.
What’s going on? 40 days silence to pay respects to the 40 day peace plan?
>>2906359He replied to himself saying it was a joke since it went viral. Also prostitution is illegal in China.
I don't understand Zelensky's latest threat here. Ukraine has already managed to shut down Russian airports before using drones so it's well within his capabilities to do it again for much longer if he spends the drones for such a purpose but…why? I don't think anything important is flying in to Russia that could alter the course of the war anyways. Unless he starts hitting the civilian airliners bringing in foreign recruits, but the Russian government should be smart enough (at least I hope they're smart enough but let's be honest here Cucktin excels at failing to meet expectations) to be spacing out mercenaries on multiple inbound flights and mixing them in with random civilians to ensure that Ukraine can't just automatically destroy every new contingent of volunteers. I don't understand what the point of it is? At least with Wildberries you could argue it was about sabotaging Russia's economy and accelerating a crash but wtf does Russia import in by air that is so absolutely vital that it couldn't just import via train over land instead? How would committing 9/11 on Russia repeatedly change anything?
>>2906737they gonna start shooting civilian planes out of the sky just like russia does maybe
>>2906782The worst part about that is Russia's IFF tracking system is so shit that Zelensky will easily be able to pass it off as Russia's air defense malfunctioning again because Russia has already randomly shot down civilian planes of their neighbors (like Azerbaijan which immediately ruined their diplomatic relations).
New topic: The mystery of the exploding SBU office. Was it a Russian drone? Or a continuance of the SBU and GUR feud? Could it be… happening?
>>2906804>Ukraine is so unafraid of the prophesied imminent collapse that two of their security services are having a full blown civil war in the middle of the war with Russia because they think their internal disputes are more important than anything Russia can ever do It's not looking good for The Russia…
>>2906804just glowie on glowie violence, GTA V warned us about this, they're just there to make money and advance their own org, it's a nothingburger unless enough people care about it
>>2906818>GTA V warned us about thisGTA V had a story? Wasn't it just a run-people-over-with-cars simulator?
>>2906815lol, oh you’re serious, lmao then
I assume it was a lot cleaner when in service of the Ukrainian prime minister, but honestly who knows?
>>2906804This was always going to happen, imho, as the war grinds on and on different factions within the Ukrainian state will fight for dominance. My main hope is that they fully implode in the process, but i think all the spooks in London and all the spooks in Washington are sure to make sure that doesn't happen.
>>2906832I think the first 2 minutes of that was, bar none, the most ridiculous cutscene I've ever witnessed from any Western videogame trying to take itself seriously. What the fuck? I thought Rockstar had a rep for telling interesting stories? That entire setup was retarded. What was going on in the writer's room?
>Ok so they're talking with each other and now here comes the moment of betrayal and his two friends come in to clean up>Oh but actually the guys aren't in agreement with each other so now it's a standoff>And then the glowies come in to point more guns >And then the other guy calls in his FBI squad to get even more guns in>And then a fucking helicopter flies in out of nowhere to get even more guns in>One guy shoots another and then rather than everyone opening fire they all run away to ensure the protagonist now has enough enemies to plow through a scripted linear shooter encounterwhat the FUCK?
>>2906848>I thought Rockstar had a rep for telling interesting stories?Nobody thinks that, no. Over the top satire is the name of the game.
>>2906850>Red Dead Redemption 1+2>LA Noire>Max Payne >GTA 4All were supposedly praised for having good and interesting stories.
>>2906854GTA V was really the only one that was goofy on purpose.
>>2906854GTA has always been over the top and campy anon, idk what to tell you.
There is currently news in Ukraine guys…
I will say however GTA is best when the story is basically immaterial, in the 3D era they apparently just designed whatever missions they thought were fun and built a narrative around it. It’s the HD era where that got reversed so the missions became about serving a story but the stories never progressed really from the betrayal and revenge plot of the 3D games anyway.
>>2906845>but i think all the spooks in London and all the spooks in Washington are sure to make sure that doesn't happen.They can't be everywhere at once, surely.
>>2906684Now that's comedy.
Speaking of GTA, I was teaching my 8 mo daughter killing cops with flamethrower in GTA2 today.
>>2907013What's comedy gold is this:
>RKIK's then director general, Magnus-Valdemar Saar, disputed the claim and told Eesti Ekspress he acknowledged that buying ammunition from third countries entails risks, but said that no major decision was made without the approval of the ministry's leadership.>Magnus-Valdemar Saarhttps://news.err.ee/1610125852/estonia-takes-defense-firm-to-court-over-70-million-contract-for-shells-for-ukraine Ukraine tried to declare a unilateral ceasefire to impress US diplomats, thread is dead with no cuckoldry evaluation, still going to hear later how no one on leftypol really supports NATO.
>>2907215>unilateralNo, they tried to declare a BIlateral ceasefire.
>>2907058so what happened with the court proceedings ? I can't see any fines or anything,did they just settle on cancelling the orders and did they get the money back ?
>>2907224<and Russia must do the sameYeah
>>2907215Ukraine isn't going to bomb American officials when they're vising Russia don't be retarded.
>>2907230Yeah? When Russia declared their intent to ceasefire in the expectation that would be reciprocated by Ukraine, that was cucked apparently.
>>2907240Only needs to be a ceasefire for Moscow, not all of Russian airspace.
>>2907249The Ukrops don't know how the Americans will enter/exit the country, nor if Putin wants to take them on some three hour drive to a dacha someplace else after receiving them at Moscow, so they're playing it safe.
>>2907252Nah you’re wrong because apparently Ukraine knew all about the CIA director’s unannounced trip to Moscow
>>2907252Nah, Ukrops are trying to emulate how Russians were doing "gestures of good will" before, but also not to look as if they are cucking out. SBU/GUR civil war happened over a guy who killed Ukraine's negotiators and his bodyguard, this shit, and Zelensky is afraid of getting killed - to the point of signing a law for getting a forever bodyguard squad for himself and his family even after he is no longer a president
Kushner and Witkoff have already landed in Moscow, did Russia stop droning Ukraine? Genuinely, I don’t know.
>Ukrainian mid-to-long-range drone units largely adhered to the ceasefire order, which Ukrainian media claimed was proposed by the Ukrainian side
<Russia rejected the ceasefire deal almost immediately, and carried out their pre-planned ballistic missile strikes on the Kamianske Metallurgical Plant in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, and Geran-2/4 drone strikes on targets across various other regions.
Well there’s our answer from AMK Mapping.
>Kremlin Spokesperson Peskov stated that Putin has ordered a 3-day halt to all strikes on Kyiv, starting midnight tonight, to allow for the visit of (de facto) U.S. envoy to Putin Steve Witkoff and U.S. Special Envoy for Peace Jared Kushner to the city.
Oh no no no spirit of ancuckorage all over again!
>>2907336imagine the smell (of garlic)
>>2907336straight up hang them, cucktin could never
>>2907316Finally you started getting why everyone calls cucktin a gullible cuck…it might take you another year or two but you will also get how inept Russian military controlled by neoliberals is
>>2907417Being facetious, dippy
>>2907496
Yeesh
>>2907692You should consider that marx was correct on the political economy and on the dynamics of capitalism.
To answer your substantive questions
- Since the end of starlink for Russia Ukraine has enjoyed a few successes but they were temporary and now being reversed. Ukraine's attempts to bring pressure through deep strikes on civilian targets (Zelensky's 40 day campaign) has resulted in significantly greater retaliation. Fighting on the ground continues to be quite bad for ukraine and the fortress belt of the donbas is now in question.
- Russia and Ukraine are both taking on the order of 30k injured or killed per month (with very large error bars).
- Yes the western discourse on ukraime continues to be bloodthirsty sadism and blind moralistic "support muh democracy" nonsense even as they turn a blind eye to (or tacitly encourage) brutal conscription tactics against ukrainians who dont want to fight for a doomed cause for a shit neolib state. Russians for what its worth are still free to flee the war.
>>2907692Due to Ukrainian drone bombings, Russia has been turned from certain oil and gas product exporter to importer.
The front hasn't moved an inch for the last year and a half yet there are tens of thousands of Russian casualties every month.
Nothing significant has happened for Ukraine except maybe Iran. With Iran war, there are less patriot for Ukraine and Russia might be able to hit something here and there, with however minimal effect.
Pro Ukrainian posters keep being high spirited and a bit smug knowing Putin managed to indeed help build Ukraine as a nation.
>>2907692>iv. Are the pro-ukrainian crowd still as stupid as ever or even worse?About the same. From day one to today it’s just about trying to present the conflict as funny for them, the only difference is it’s far less plausible that people in Ukraine are actually laughing with them.
And of course they would try to portray the conflict as funny. How many of these pro-Ukrainians were all “lol punch a Nazi!” back in 2015? How many ITT watched breadtubers chronicling all the fascist groups the CIA has successfully employed all over the globe and shook their fists at their laptops that nothing ever seems to stop them?
Now, we’re finally witnessing Nazis being punched and the CIA actually experiencing appreciable opposition to installing a fascist regime. But oh no, to suggest this is a good thing risks getting side eyes at the dinner table from friends and family, because it’s Russia who has finally made punching Nazis their policy.
So what is to be done? Well obviously puss out instantly, agree with the MSM herd that perhaps being a Nazi isn’t the worst thing in the world and doesn’t always warrant a punch after all. Then out of shame spend years trying to reconcile being a “leftist” running apologia for Nazi salutes, fail, and do the standard rightoid thing of thinking that performatively laughing proves the entire situation isn’t a big deal for yourself and that’s why you don’t need to be consistent with yourself, which has never convinced anyone ever.
And ultimately, the reason why anons like Ushanka and IntBrig no longer post ITT is surely because they also figured out that pro-Ukrainians “anti-campists” have already forgiven themselves for pussing out.
White people of both Ukraine and Russia should stop killing each other and instead work together to wipe out Turkey
>>2906712But it isn't as tightly enforced or universally taboo like drugs. Karaoke bars and massage parlors are usually just fronts for prostitution. The former also seems to be exclusively controlled by gangs.
>>2907799>Now, we’re finally witnessing Nazis being punched???? But you're always the one going on about how they shouldn't be targeted and should be left alone.
>>2907932Bombing children isn’t that, spurdo.
>>2907959The Soviets didn't agonize over shooting at the Hitler Youth.
>>2907960Yet here you are crying every time one of your precious Nazis gets blown up
>>2907960We’ve been over this already you forgetful retard
So explain this to me. Is it that Russia CANT mobilizie and escalate enough to rapidly achieve their objectives? Or they can and simply choose to fight in the slow paced high casualty way, including losing a lot of infrastructure at home from Ukr attacks, because that's the better strategy compared to Blitzkrieg?
Like is the current way Russia is fighting the optimal way according to them, or they have been weakened so much or are so afraid of escalation they can't fight any other way?
>>2907965I've been banned in the past for asking for Kiev to get nuked or at least the parliament and Zelensky's house and Nazi funerals to get targeted, either because champ himself is a mod and hates being BTFO in arguments or he has a mod friend in his pocket.
Case in point:
>>2907966He has no argument against me simply because he is incapable of admitting that he doesn't actually want to kill Nazis by hitting their funerals and award ceremonies. He uses the "think of the women and children" bullshit as an excuse to dodge the obvious question of why if Russia is waging an antifascist war, that fascist meeting places should not be targeted. It doesn't have to be funerals it could also be award ceremonies or when they do one of their shitty torchlight marches on the streets.
He LARPs as an anti-fascist but every time real anti fascists like myself drop by the thread we out him as a faker since he is always the first to weep over poor Banderites dying. And then he does ridiculous shit like repost tiktoks of ukrainian schoolchildren assembling drones. Well if hitting a school is then justified due to drone production then why isn't hitting a Nazi funeral?
This is why no one bothers posting in this thread anymore it's always champ making retarded/hypocritical arguments and pissing off everyone until they don't want to deal with his bullshit anymore. He probably gets paid by the post by Cucktin's friends I can't imagine anyone willing to do that for free.
>>2907856t. zioshit
Turkiye is a pain in the ass though given their ambitions however so is Erez Israel
>>2907989>I've been banned in the past for asking for Kiev to get nukedThat’s not the full story is it? You said nuking Kiev and Lvov would have saved lives
by now and it wouldn’t have. You got banned for being a concern troll.
>He has no argumentThere’s no point having the same argument over and over when you’re just going to pretend to forget again.
It’s disingenuous to equate bombing/nuking civilians with de-nazifying Ukraine. Especially when you suggest that’s what Stalin would have done, despite the existence of the DDR being a very obvious flaw in that claim.
>>2907496
what is this supposed to show? also not spoilered
Also at what point was any of that crying about being banned and my apparent Kremlin-paid salary was an argument relevant to
>>2907799You’re a fucking crybaby, no one likes you and if we’re getting into conspiracies then I think you’re thrillpill’s fursona since he fucked up and used the wrong flag with his name that just coincidentally happed to be spurdo.
>>2903073>I've been banned in the past for asking for Kiev to get nuked Good
>>2907772Just straight up lying
>>2907998>You said nuking Kiev and Lvov would have saved lives by nowYes. Russian soldier lives. Just like how America nuking Japan saved American soldier lives. That's the point of war. Protecting your soldiers. There is nothing "concern troll" about this statement it's merely a statement of fact.
>It’s disingenuous to equate bombing/nuking civilians with de-nazifying Ukraine. Especially when you suggest that’s what Stalin would have done, despite the existence of the DDR being a very obvious flaw in that claim.Was the DDR created before or after the Soviets and Allied forces had leveled Germany to the ground? You call me disingenuous but you constantly lie and then go on to post retarded shit arguments like pretending the DDR was formed out of Stalin banning all Soviet air strikes on German "civilian" targets.
>>2908001On the contrary it's you crying every single day in this fucking thread over Ukraine not surrendering yet and then getting mad at everyone pointing out everything the Russian government or military is doing wrong, as if your personal honor is on the line as soon as either institution get criticized. Notice how no one in this thread gives a single fuck about Zelensky or the Ukrainian government being criticized for being reactionary but as soon as it's Russia suddenly they Cucktin is holy pure and can never be questioned. It's disingenuous and everyone sees through you because you are so hopped up on gargling Cucktin's dick that if anything you just make all Russian supporters look retarded.
Just to set the record straight, because despite trying to minimize my time in /ukr/ I have still noticed this glaring double standard:
THINGS CHAMP HAS AVOIDED GETTING BANNED OVER ON THIS OSTENSIBLY "LEFTIST" FORUM
<Defending Cucktin banning nationalization of privatized enterprises from perestroika
<Defending Cucktin arresting or detaining Russian Communists affiliated with the CPRF on the basis of made up legal technicalities
<Defending Dugin inviting outright fascists to St. Petersburg and hosting them
<Constant arguments to spare Nazi funerals or award ceremonies from being targeted by the Russian military, and then goalpost shifting to argue that such targeted strikes actually entail the mass loss of civilian life
<Posting tiktok videos of Ukrainian schoolchildren assembling drones, justifying Russian strikes on schools, and then turning on a dime to start trolling other people by accusing other people of being "Zionists" when Russia's military strategy is questioned
<Deliberate falseflag impersonation of other people
If I had done any of this crap I would have been banned 10x over already but champ gets away with all of it because he has a mod in his pocket. What a joke. Anyways enjoy your lone circlejerk champ every time I drop by I try to stay clear of the latest crap you're posting but congrats you successfully ragebaited me into replying back to you again.
>>2908009>Just like how America nuking Japan saved American soldier lives.Lmao an anti-fascist spitting out pro-American narratives.
>That's the point of war. Protecting your soldiers.No that’s the point of diplomacy, the decision to go to war is when diplomacy fails and there’s no other choice left than to risk the lives of your men.
>Was the DDR created before or after the Soviets and Allied forces had leveled Germany to the ground? You’re making the point that
everyone within a fascist state is a card-carrying fascist until killed with no innocents held hostage by the state, so you also need to explain why that stops being the case for the DDR being made up of civilians of former Nazi Germany? Because that’s quite a wide line between them
all being fascists deserving of a nuke if Stalin had one, to then all being capable of enjoying socialist fraternity with the USSR soon after the conflict concludes.
>On the contrary it's you crying every single day<No u! >:’^(
>Notice how no one in this thread gives a single fuck about Zelensky or the Ukrainian government being criticized for being reactionaryLmao what are you talking about? You should consider “dropping in” when thrillpill is claiming Ukraine’s Nazi problem is merely Russian propaganda and actually he has a lot of fun living there.
>you are so hopped up on gargling Cucktin's dickAgain with the homoeroticism lmao
Like I always say, my aim is to analyse the choices that Russia does or doesn’t make, because that’s what I find more interesting than trying to convince a thread on the internet that I’m a real tough guy and oh man if I had access to nukes man you would believe how fucking hardcore I’d be with them.
Fuck off you pathetic pansy, you were destined to punch a tear soaked pillow and not much else.
>>2908015Wow you are really delusional because I’ve done none of that
So as an epilogue to his edgy conspiracy-ridden crash out, I’d just point out that Spurdo demonstrates perfectly the self-forgiveness I’ve described. It’s not his fault that he’s found himself against those who punch Nazis for realsies, ackshually it’s the great man Putin’s fault for not nuking about 4 million civilians on day one! A real great man like Spurdo would have done that day one hypothetically and thus no choice but to oppose Z-gang literally.
>>2908000Russians gloriously advancing
fertilizing Ukrainian fields
>>2908024>punch Nazis for realsiesnsdap disbanded in 1945 which means nazis are 95+ years old, good luck punching them
>>2907811In my case it's because there's one mod that apparently have a personal beef with this flag.
It's fun that I get banned in an altercation with another user, and the person I know is a reactionary ends up posting reactionary shit.
See the meta thread. Fun stuff, eh.
>>2908093 (me)
Just in case, the ban was 4 days ago, and the ban was 3-days long.
>>2908093Lmao to be fair to Spurdo I don’t actually recall the last time I was banned due to this thread, perhaps someone on the mod team does enjoy my posts!
I’m kinda close to touching grass, simply because news about the conflict just isn’t discussed anymore (surprise surprise it’s as, short of nooking le lvovov, little is off the table for Russia now). It really has just become the ChampSoc thread most days, but only because there’s like three or four anons that I’ve really fucked off over the years by never buying into Ukraine’s hype and now in the absence of Ukrainian hype, they’ve really nothing else to say but how much I’ve indeed fucked them off over the years.
At some point you gotta accept the sunk cost in trying to keep the general on-topic/up to date. Spurdo going full tinhat about mods and rubles in my pocket being the reason why he is constantly fucking raging ITT, rather than simply Ukraine (and by extension NATO) has humiliated itself in the long-term more than Russia or any other country, is probably it.
>>2908144They are eating shit with Iran but not so much with Gaza, Syria, Lebanon, Venezuela and Ukraine
>>2908150>the West isn't eating shit in Ukraineok, retard
>>2908154Bro, Ukraine was part of Russia like forever, everyone laughed at Ukrainian identity, everyone thought Ukraine would collapse Afghanistan style, and yet here we are with Russians bogged down having lost everything west of Dnieper forever…
Congrats on your 12 trillions of coal lol
>>2908144>I feel no obligation to "correct the record" or "control the narrative".That’s not what’s really being done, anons complaining that criticisms of Russia/Putin “aren’t allowed” are making the same complaint rightoids are when decrying the death of free speech.
If they want to signal boost Ukraine’s self-hype ITT then they have every right to, but in a public forum they have to expect it to be challenged and thus far it appears to be rightly so. For how much they may cling on to “Kiev in three days” or some variant of that phrase, Pro-Ukrainian hype has provided dozens of similar lofty predictions about their imminent victory.
Like I wouldn’t presume to think so highly of myself that I’d agree with them that I’m the No. 1 killjoy on the internet. They’re just projecting their frustrations over constantly being taken for a ride on to me, because I’m probably the only voice calling them gullible fucks while “everyone” agrees it’s ogre for Russia with whatever the latest peremoga is.
Perhaps the most ironic factor for pro-Ukrainians is just how in a handful of years that went from opposing le dick-tator Pootin and “supporting democracy” to just asking
>Is Zelensky still leader of Ukraine?
and “winning” revolves around the answer being Yes no matter the cost. Surely it has to make anyone feel a little bit sick to see the contrast between civilians being kidnapped off the street with publicity shots of Zelensky smiling warmly with his NATO financiers suggesting that indeed we can expect Zelensky to be leader indefinitely?
>>2908119I'll be posting more news tomorrow. Apparently doing commentary, like I do, per each news post I do it's
talking to myself, and not a two-step-ahead mechanism to avoid a violation of rule 11, a just-in-case decision.
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