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>>2892298 I'm not a yank but I've been starting to get into yankee sports lately - baseball, basketball, ice hockey. Hand egg doesn't appeal to my European brain though sorry.
Anyway, is that bourgeois behaviour? Are there any proletarian approved yank sports, or proletarian approved yank teams you'd endorse?
Anything hapooning?
>>2895051the packers are a communist sports team
>>2895041If thatโs the case death to all politics
Nothing good can ever happen
You marxoids are just another hot topic tee shirt the ruling class puts on
>>2895060This is true. I was the ruling class.
>>2895061What did you do? Snort it all away?
>>2895062Donated it to a vtuber
>>2895075I hope this serves as a lesson to you on being parasocial
>>2895078Okay and? They still deserve to be ridiculed.
The US just pulled a Moscow gold on Venezuela and stole their entire reserve
>>2895080>They still deserve to be ridiculed.why? this is like the modern equivalent of making fun of the disabled. it just makes you seem like a shitty person.
>>2895078No judgement, I did the same with pornstars on fansly, got myself some credit card debt thankfully not too much, but Iโm lucky, you just have to remember itโs not real. Maybe to really succeed and survive you have to cut out that part of you that longs for socialization, how you would do this idk.
>>2895078Incredible research is being done on this subject over in /siberia/ btw
>>2895083>Maybe to really succeed and survive you have to cut out that part of you that longs for socialization, how you would do this idk.Humans weren't meant to be solitary animals I'm not convinced it's actually possible to lead a fulfilling life without any connection to other people. I've encountered "former incels"/MGTOW types who say this but they all just seem just as bitter as they were before but instead of channeling their loneliness towards achieving their goals they channel it towards resentment towards women. I don't want that life man.
>>2895085Then you need to leave the first world to somewhere less developed and thus more social, donโt know what else to tell you
>>2895078Only the truly introspective hold the answers to this dilemma, and even then never completely. One can become content with themselves and themselves only, but humans are not built for an absence of social support for long durations.
>>2895086The poor are often doomed to die alone
>>2895083>Maybe to really succeed and survive you have to cut out that part of you that longs for socialization, how you would do this idk.Get on SSRIs and spend as much time as possible on the internet, preferably from as young an age as possible. Trust me, this combo will completely eradicate any desire to socialize.
>>2895089Being terminally online is not an ideal fate
Shut the fuck up and harken ye to this latest ballad of American political drama of disproportionate representation previously unheard of
So during a rally on Sunday, Jon Ossoff, Democratic senator from Georgia, made several points about how Trump seems utterly uninterested in doing his job, citing his constant falling asleep and obsessing over the ballroom. One of his examples of Trump shirking the preceived responsibility of the presidency was a single comment about how Trump wastes a lot of time "traveling with Natalie". Referring to Natalie Harp, some blonde woman in her 30's that's one of Trump's closest aids and was previously an OANN pundit who would sign off with Bible quotes or Trump quotes. She's apparently held in very high regard by Trump, and was one of the few people who was with him on that catering truck that time he left Air Force One to die from a fake Iranian terror attack
The right wing media ecosystem, up to and including the White House, somehow interpreted this as a vicious attack on Trump's fidelity and tantamount to calling Natalie Harp a whore, and for the past 36 hours there's been endless pearl clutching and performative outrage from the government and your usual talking heads. Normally I wouldn't give drama like this that much mind but considering the sheer amount of coordinated outrage against Ossoff, I'm inclined to believe he may have accidentally struck a nerve. Either that or Trump is just desperate for something to distract from Iran.
>>2895096> Trump's fidelity Lmao
>>2895100Yeah no seriously, that's actually a major talking point. "How DARE you imply a devout Christian would be unfaithful!" The most insincere pearl clutching imaginable
>>2895058a grand declaration but how do you intend to put it into action
>>2895045is this pro data center ragebait. is the ragebait supposed to be that only 1st world suburbanites drink water.
What's new in the free world?
>>2895105>devout ChristianBold of you to assume the first american jewish president would be a devout christian.
>>2895059define nothing
define good
define can
define ever
define happen
>>2895115Joe Biden and Donald Trump are Christian Zionists.
>>2895110I donโt have to do shit, a combination of nuclear war and climate change, both inevitable, will render the species extinct, it might not end politics but it will end human politics. Perhaps water bears will be better.
>>2895117Thereโs no knowing these things, they have to be felt
>>2895060>>2895061wrecker to wrecker communication
>>2895063>>2895075simp to simp communication
>>2895075>>2895083what is wrong with you people
>>2895128yeah simp behavior is really bizarre. why give these already rich e-celebs even more money. it's just secular idol worship. like have some self respect, am a i right?
>>2895119I was paraphrasing a rabbi
>>2895113>What's new in the free world?apparently several regulars ITT are coming out of the closet as petty bourgeoisie with disposable income who throw money at V-Tubers and Pornstars. really pathetic stuff. they deserve to be roasted for their class position but also their e-celeb worship
>>2895117No-thing is the negation of some-thing.
Good is the negation of evil.
Can is the potential of something.
Ever is a distance of time; futurity.
Happen-ing is the actuality of something.
theres an arrest warrant out for jill stein
the strait of hormuz is American now apparently
>>2895131it explains a lot actually about some of the users here addicted to their goon porn
>>2895137Is there any other kind of porn?
>>2895132so what anon was really saying was:
>the negation of something the negation of evil the potential of something a distance of time actualitydoesn't really make much sense, does it?
the strait is open. just go through u guys. lol
>>2895137honestly if they just jerked off and called it a day it would be understandable. it's that they throw money at something that is basically disposable and free that baffles the mind. everyone needs to empty out their prostate of fluid every now and then but you gotta do it in moderation.
>>2895122Thereโs nothing to wreck idiot, the workers are their own enemy
>>2895141(they have not removed the sea mines)
>>2895143>Thereโs nothing to wreck idiot, the workers are their own enemyBordiga grant me the serentity to accept the things i cannot change
Lenin grant me the courage to change the things I can
Marx grant me the wisdom to know the difference.
Outside of the petty confines of your personal life there is nothing you can change or do, even less when you try to โorganizeโ or โsocializeโ, you will only ever get the illusion of change. The world is static and grey, you a cumstain on it.
>>2895096if ossoff actually did just call her a whore, id care more about what he had to say tbh
>>2895149>i am a nihilistic slam poet, please give me attentionok. what next?
>>2895123religionforbreakfast gem
>>2895149when you next have to piss i predict you will piss your pants, because it is impossible for you to stand up and walk to the restroom, since that would be taking action, and taking action is impossible
>>2895032Fuck mao!
Fuck Deng!
(Tito and Roy cooper also suck.)
The grand regent of pop Jack wilimos according to internal polling has at least 60% favorability with likely voters in the u.s senate election in North Carolina. Workers, bashkohuni!
god shut the fuck up you faggots
>>2895152You wait until you die, thatโs all any human activity is in the end
>>2895140Well, let's provide analytical structure:
If we take the term formally, we negate goodness to provide evil.
So, we can see this meaning [evil].
We see that this applies to the potential of a future event, and if we apply the previous clause, we render [evil must happen], by a negation of "good" ever happening. So then, the anon's message is:
This is an unconditional statement, but is it true? Only if we deny thep potential of goodness. So then, we cannot define the good merely as negativity, but positively, as a quality of a thing. If we do simply permit the possibility of good things, we thus terminate anon's statement.
So, if we are able to positively define goodness and see that it has the potential to become real, then evil must not happen, in place of good. The term thus applies both the (i) absolute and (ii) relative case.
>>2895157delete system32 and we will be silent
>>2895160thank you professor meow. i am in awe of your wisdom
>>2895154The secret is to remain on the toilet like Elvis
>>2895122Is just meme bro
Itโs gonna have to be God or Aliens or both, humans simply arenโt up to the task
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>>2895158The Bordiga was sitting under a tree talking to his disciples when a man came and spit on his face. He wiped it off, and he asked the man, โWhat next? What do you want to say next?โ The man was a little puzzled because he himself never expected that when you spit on somebodyโs face, he will ask, โWhat next?โ He had no such experience in his past. He had insulted proletarians and they had become angry and they had reacted. Or if they were cowards and weaklings, they had smiled, trying to bribe the man. But Bordiga was like neither, he was not angry nor in any way offended, nor in any way cowardly. But just matter-of-factly he said, โWhat next?โ There was no reaction on his part.
Bordigaโs disciples became angry, they reacted. His closest disciple, Gramsci, said, โThis is too much, and we cannot tolerate it. He has to be punished for it. Otherwise everybody will start doing things like this.โ
Bordiga said, โYou keep silent. He has not offended me, but you are offending me. He is new, a stranger. He must have heard from proletarians something about me, that this man is an armchair, a dangerous man who is throwing proletarians off their track, a counter-revolutionary, a revisionist. And he may have formed some idea, a notion of me. He has not spit on me, he has spit on his notion. He has spit on his idea of me because he does not know me at all, so how can he spit on me?
โIf you think on it deeply,โ Bordiga said, โhe has spit on his own mind. I am not part of it, and I can see that this poor man must have something else to say because this is a way of saying something. Spitting is a way of saying something. There are moments when you feel that language is impotent: such as in the rapid consumption of lasagna after dark. There are intense moments when language is impotent. Then you have to do something. When you are angry, intensely angry, you hit the person, you spit on him, you are saying something. I can understand him. He must have something more to say, thatโs why Iโm asking, โWhat next?โ
The man was even more puzzled! And Bordiga said to his disciples, โI am more offended by you because you know me, and you have lived for years with me, and still you react.โ
Puzzled, confused, the man returned home. He could not sleep the whole night. When you see a Bordiga, it is difficult, impossible to sleep again the way you used to sleep before. Again and again he was haunted by the experience. He could not explain it to himself, what had happened. He was trembling all over and perspiring. He had never come across such a man; he shattered his whole mind and his whole pattern, his whole past.
The next morning he was back there. He threw himself at Bordigaโs feet. Bordiga asked him again, โWhat next? This, too, is a way of saying something that cannot be said in language. When you come and touch my feet, you are saying something that cannot be said ordinarily, for which all words are a little narrow; it cannot be contained in them.โ Bordiga said, โLook, Gramsci, this man is again here, he is saying something. This man is a man of deep emotions.โ The man looked at Bordiga and said, โForgive me for what I did yesterday.โ
Bordiga said, โForgive? But I am not the same man to whom you did it. The circuit of capital goes on flowing, it is never the same capital again. Every man is a circuit of capital. The man you spit upon is no longer here. I look just like him, but I am not the same, much has happened in these twenty-four hours! The capital has flowed so much. So I cannot forgive you because I have no grudge against you.โ
โAnd you also are new. I can see you are not the same man who came yesterday because that man was angry and he spit, whereas you are bowing at my feet, touching my feet. How can you be the same man? You are not the same man, so let us forget about it. Those two proletarians, the man who spit and the man on whom he spit, both are no more. Come closer. Let us talk of something else.
>>2895175Yeah, that's where we're at.
>>2895183Humans are utterly powerless and petty so they yearn and conjure the divine which doesnโt exist. May the next dominant species not live with such a curse.
>>2895192the key to not being made dumber by the AI is to argue with it the same way smart kids argue with their teachers
>>2895195libs will seethe. no they're supposed to be our neocolony that produces k pop for our kids to consoom. now without the US military raping their teenage girls there will be no human trafficking and no music industry and they might even GASP reunite with the evil north korea, who are evil and bad because we say so
>>2895214The DPRK are not interested in reunification
Q: who do you think will be the first democrat to start an official run for president?
A: Dean Phillips. Mostly as a way to stop the DSA wing.
>>2895218Itโs gonna be Hillary again
>>2895214Libs will indeed seethe but dont assume SK will change culturally in any way because of this. They might even get more nationalist and militaristic now that american protection is no longer necessary
>>2895217that is currently their diplomatic line, which is not always the same thing as what they really say behind closed doors. In any case they are interested in the US getting the fuck off the peninsula and ending the sanctions
>>2895223They donโt want to administer the south or deal with its wretched Japanified โpeopleโ assuming they would be capable of doing so instead of turning the entire south into Gaza
>>2895223South Korea has twice the population of North Korea with the South being propagandized for 80 years. On top of that both the South and North are skeptical of reunification because of their systems. German reunification happened with only 40 years of division and it still has a ton of problems. Now imagine Korea where they were both technically at war which made the division even more isolating reuniting after 80 years where only people in their 90s-100s vividly remember a time when Korea was united.
>>2895229Having twice the population doesnโt matter when theyโre all soft westoids
>>2895200Depending on your school district you can actually get in serious trouble if you argue with your teacher on what's taught in the classroom, even if it's factually incorrect
>>2895236the key to not being made dumber is to stop caring about getting in trouble when you argue with dumb people
>>2895217if an opportunity presented itself dprk absolutely would. dropping reunification from their official line was simply tacit admission they're prepared and willing to go alone
>>2895238Maybe over the land and the coasts, but the libtarded populace? Not a chance, theyโd be forced to turn Seoul and Busan into east asian Gaza
>>2895239>the north koreans want to turn south korea into gaza, that's how based they are LOL!!!!!this is literally just a bizarro version of what the state department says. no they don't want to "Gazafy" their fellow Koreans. They have always want to reunify but under fair and equal terms. Since that is not going to happen, they have given up on it as a goal. But they are not these bloodthirsty monsters who want to commit genocide. That is literally what the US military did to them, and now people like you project that crime onto them.
>>2895239>south koreans are evil because yankee devils brainwashed them to be evil and north koreans want nothing to do with them and would actually glass them sooner than reunifythis is just an implicit defense of the american foreign policy status quo larping as a bolshevik flavored hot take
>>2895239>libtarded populace?Such material analysis
>theyโd be forced to turn Seoul and Busan into east asian GazaBut if I say islamist deserve it I'm the bad guy?!
>>2895032Did bro change the thumbnail of this vid? Didn't even realize it was blackface till very recently.
>>2895239This anon is right, there is no way reunification would end up well for the DPRK and even if it was in the DPRKS own terms they'd still end up with a large fascist insurgency in the metropoles at least, leaving the DPRK to either abandon the south or take a 'security based' approach, which in time will look probably not too dissimilar to Gaza.
Such an act of reunification would be a death blow to the DPRK, honestly.
>>2895078Pic knows what he wants. Get this man a church librarian STAT.
>>2895248>But if I say islamist deserve it I'm the bad guy?!Labelling hamas 'islamist' is pretty insincere.
>>2895257Depends on the relative prosperity of the two Koreas and how effectively the DPRK could exploit class conflict in the South. If the West continues to decline while the DPRK experiences steady improvement, we may return to the situation that prevailed until the 1970s where the North was actually the richer country. In that case I don't think it would be so difficult to bring the bulk of the Southern population into the fold. People need to remember that a lot of popular anti-communist sentiment is based on the fact that the West has historically been more prosperous than anywhere else. This leads to the erroneous belief that any country can be as rich as the West if they just emulate them hard enough and cooperate with their every demand. It's how you get people like Poles who are convinced that they were behind held back by communism and that adopting Western institutions has led them to prosperity (even though it was actually EU gibs and being allowed to participate in the world imperialist economy). If the West loses this advantage in prosperity then they lose their single strongest ideological weapon.
cnn be like muh approval rating
bitch that don't mean nothin
>>2895255Melania really doesnt it like it when democraps talk about her husbands side pieces
>>2895276She gets to sit in the gilded cuck chair as compensation
Also the theory going around is the reason Karoline Leavitt left recently is because she found out Natalie was in the catering truck while she was with the other schmucks as bait in Air Force One. It's all conjecture at this point but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a contributing factor
>>2895265Even if the DPRK gets a large percent of the population, still, the mix of military service, an incredibly hierarchical society, historic fascist undercurrents and western moneey/funding/guns etc would IMHO basically all but guarantee a very bloody and sustained insurgency with plenty of bodies ready to be thrown into the meat grinder.
The choice DPRK has taken to go it's own way is really the most prudent.
>>2895279You can nip most potential insurgencies in the bud simply by actually giving people a decent quality of life, which the DPRK will be in a position to do without America constantly breathing down their neck. I have no doubt reconstruction and reconciliation is probably going to take a long time, but most people when push comes to shove are going to side with the guys giving them the means to live comfortably, and the Burgerreich sure as hell isn't doing that
>>2895275I said once that a democratic president should just act like Trump does in office: punish red states and ignore the courts. I got a "well fine, throw MAGA people in prison and you know what will happen? They'll say you're just like them!"
I responded with they'd be saying that behind bars and they just huffed.
>>2895284Dems are still 90s pilled and still think they can win over red suburbs by making the right speech
>>2895296Fuck, if only we'd voted for the woman that wanted to bomb palestine
>>2895295>lib twitter>>2895296>KHive Blueskywhy would you subject yourself to such brain damage, much less subject us to it?
>>2895300lol all that groveling for nothing
>>2895299If I see something cursed, my rule is that everyone around me has to see it too
>>2895302 this seems to imply that zohran groveled to netanyahu expecting something in return. I don't think that happened. If you are not saying that please issue a correction. zohran groveled to jewish new yorkers because those are his constituents and he is mayor. however I never recalled him groveling to netanyahu. correct me if i am mistaken
list of viewpoints NOT being endorsed in this post:
- zohran is based
- succdems are revolutionary
- we should vote blue no matter who
- zohran has put up real resistance to zionism
- zohran never groveled to anybody
- democrats are good
- DSA is good
>>2895309Jews are but one privileged minority in New York and western society as a whole, no one should be groveling before them especially when theyโre complicit in multiple ongoing genocides
>>2895309jesus. lmao. fucking cultists
>>2895309A lot of Jewish New Yorkers voted for him so of course he's going to try to cater to them to some degree, especially in a city with so many Jews as is
>>2895310>Jews are collectively complicit in everything Israel doesZionism is against the rules here
>>289531390% of jews support the apartheid regime
>>2895311i am a cultist for who now
>>2895299It's fun to wallow in their misery. They're acutely aware liberalism is a dying ideology
>>289531490% of proles like capitalism. I don't care what people without power think
>>2895296Graph is right cause the three are nationalist larpers
>>2895321>It's fun to wallow in their misery. They're acutely aware liberalism is a dying ideologyI was doing that 10 years ago. It got old really fast. and it never died unfortunately. it just took on newer and more twisted forms.
>>2895322>>2895323bait
>>2895314general philosophical question, if 90% of Americans support bad things the US government does, does that mean it doesn't matter what happens to the 10% of Americans who don't? Are they a statistical writeoff? collateral damage? I always find it strange when people wield statistics this way.
>>2895280Anon there is a whole military structure. It's not like it'll be building from scratch. RoK Nationalists, the USA as well as the bourgeoisie asian states will never let it be so easy.
>>2895312the post you are replying to already considered that
True or Falseif the majority of [group A] supports [atrocity A] it does not matter what happens to any member of [group A] including the minority of [group A] that does not support [atrocity] because [group A] is collectively guilty of [atrocity] especially the minority that failed to stop the majority. this reasoning is valid for all groups, regardless of who they are.
https://strawpoll.com/wAg3Q1BzWy8 >>2895333>doesnt care>feels the need to tell everyoneyou have to be 18 to post here
>>2895337im thinking norwood 5, maybe 6
>>2895344I'm old but I got lucky with the hairline
>>2895032From the desk of Jack wilimos: free bogdan styrioluk! He might be a revisionist but zelenskyโs facho regime must answer for their crimes against basic freedom!
>>2895327>general philosophical question, if 90% of Americans support bad things the US government does, does that mean it doesn't matter what happens to the 10% of Americans who don't? Are they a statistical writeoff? collateral damage? I always find it strange when people wield statistics this way.Maybe we should ask the USSR what they thought of the 10% of germans who didn't support Hitler as the Red Army was marching into Berlin. I'm sure they felt really, really bad for them. Oh wait.
>>2895354It was a communist German pressed into wehrmacht service that risked life and limb to cross the frontier and warned the red army hours before barbarossa began.
>>2895362So what you're saying is, we should celebrate the Jews who work tirelessly to destroy Zionism through direct action, and everyone else who simply "doesn't support" Zionism can be freely firebombed? I wholeheartedly agree.
Breakthrough News says NYC Mayor's Office has revoked its press credentials
>>2895364Only thing more pathetic than turning Charlie Kirk into a role model is turning Erika Kirk into a role model
>>2895345In reality its first world bourgeois and third world workers who are allies against the first world workers
>>2895377>>2895380you're outnumbered 35 to 1 and seen rightfully as a troll. good job
>>2895375I want her to spit on my face
>>2895393put your trip back on king lear
>>2895377democrats and republicans:
- more forever wars in your name
- more coups in your name
- more sanctions in your name
- more embargoes in your name
- more kids growing up chanting "Death to America" because of what your government did in your name
- more refugee crises caused by your government
- more genocide with your taxes
- more privatization of public services
- more deregulation of safety and privacy
- more union busting, outsourcing
- more militarized police state
- more surveillance
- more inflation
- more climate change
- more mass shootings
- more expensive food
- more expensive fuel
- more expensive electrcity
- more planned obsolescence
- more enshittification
- more waste
- more artificial scarcity
- more patent trolling
- more gambling
- more people turning to crime to pay the bills
- more scams, especially against the elderly and mentally impaired
- higher rent
- higher interest rates
- more mental illness
- more illiteracy
- fewer schools
- fewer hospitals
- less welfare
All of this while defending European "allies" who hate your guts and see you as "mutts" and while defending Israeli "allies" who hate your guts and see you as "cattle" . and then trolls come on and say "actually you have nothing in common with the oppressed people of the world, you benefit from all this, please stay asleep and support the status quo bro.
>>2895409You should know better than to believe posts without sources Anon.
NYPD, DSA militias ransack PSL headquarters; injuries reported
>>2895402Hide it? Fucking how? it's a fuck off crater in the ground…
Fucking drunkards. Christ. The shit they come up with.
>>2895396>muh humanoid robots >muh gas to electric car dependency transition >muh superior ai slop>muh consolidation of the productive forcesWhere the fuck are your climate bunkers?
>>2895411this is an imageboard. you post fake news and then react to yourself by samefagging with an anime girl reaction pic. then you giggle to yourself and feel smug as you alt tab back over to whatever AI slop written visual novel you were playing
>>2895423>filtered by picI engaged the pic. Where are your climate bunkers?
>ignored textThe text is perfectly fine. Thereโs nothing more to add.
>>2895429No sorries, only climate bunkers
>>2895426>>2895431I live in America, there is no climate bunkers here. idk about China. maybe it's a state secret like the locations of their fuel reserves
Perhaps we need Climate Hoxha
>>2895434>there is no climate bunkers hereAmerica despises updates to itโs infrastructure
>maybe it's a state secret like the locationsThat would be concerning if thatโs the case.
>Perhaps we need Climate HoxhaWhat would that entail?
>>2895438>What would that entail?it's a joke about how Hoxha built bunkers everywhere
>>2895439Well in that case, I would say probably. That sounds pretty good to me.
Q: should you do a traditional town hall like a proper political candidate?
A: I prefer Internet forums and informal public meetings with yahoo drinks.
>>2895447The democrats are going to lose hard in November because all their effort is going to go towards defeating the dsa instead of trump.
>>2895451That's fine for them because they'd clearly prefer Trump to the DSA.
>>2895447I find it kind of funny that I can go on /r/politics for any DSA election thread and seemingly the entire subreddit has gone full anti-Zionist then I can come here and get banned for saying "maybe Israel really is an enemy of the American people" because it's "/pol/speak". It's like we've entered bizarro world.
anyway good for her.
that has never happened
>>2895451you would be incredibly surprised how despised trump is. even if the democraps focus their efforts in defeating the dsa, people is not buying rethuglican bs.
like have we not seen rethuglican bastions falling on the hands of democrats? like miami mayoral elections? (not miamia beach, but still, for the first 30 years, the miami dade mayor is a democrap)
I could cite many other examples, but, oh well… you get the point.
>>2895111retards watering their lawns is a major reason for water shortages in California
>>2895462how is that relevant to data center criticism though?
it's not like water is the only issue with datacenters. they're an ecological nightmare akin to a coal mine. the sound pollution alone will probably give you brain damage if you live within 5 miles of a data center.
>>2895457I've never been banned for shitting on Israel on here. I have been accused once by /ukr/ tank anon of "pol" because he perceived that I was some kind of pro-USA nazi but I assured him that I was not fund of the US government. Maybe it is patriotism for a genocidal US government that shits on workers all over the world, including American workers, that gets you accused of "pol" and not shitting on Israel. Just don't get seen as patriotic for the US government that funds Israel. And definitely don't appeal to some interclass "The People" that includes the national bourgeoisie and petty bourgeoisie as allies of the proletariat against Israeli influence when really the bourgeoisie of the USA have allied with the international bourgeoisie, including the Israeli bourgeoisie, against the workers of the whole world. This government commits genocide in your name and is not your friend. Millions of people grow up chanting death to America because of what the US government does in your name. Why stand behind that? why view that government as ONLY being bad because of israeli influence when in fact israeli influence is the shit cherry on top of the shit sundae that is 250 years of capitalism, slavery and genocide.
>>2895454For sure
>>2895459Yeah, but just hating the Republicans isn't enough. The democrats will sabotage their own candidates if that's what it takes because they're fighting an insurgency from their progressive wing, which unlike the Republicans poses an actual threat to party leadership and their interests. And we already know what their plan is regarding Trump: do nothing and let Trump make people vote for them.
As much as people might not like Trump or the Republicans, their success as a party is that they serve their various bases and give them reasons to vote for them. The democrats have nothing to offer, which is a big part of why this progressive insurgency is such a threat to them. There's nothing they can offer to beat them, so in the midterms all their energy is going to be spent against their own side. The Republicans don't need to be liked. They just have to service their same awful voting blocs with their same old policies, because their opponents are going to be busy fighting, and the losers of those contests aren't going to vote for the winners.
>>2895462All the water on all the lawns in California is a minuscule fraction compared to all the fucking nut farmers.
>>2895464>all those data centers destroy the value of my property!!1Cry more, landlord scum. I hope your house's value plummets because of all the noise
>>2895465>Why stand behind that? why view that government as ONLY being bad because of israeli influence when in fact israeli influence is the shit cherry on top of the shit sundae that is 250 years of capitalism, slavery and genocide.for the same reason Leftists generally support anti-imperialism even when it means the national bourgeoisie is just as corrupt as the international bourgeoisie. removing layers of influencer is a good thing for enabling class consciousness. when your enemy is your billionaire neighbor it's easier to wage class war compared to when your enemy is some billionaire in tel aviv. this shit DOES matter both in terms of practical revolutionary potential and general political optics(people are less likely to be politically involved if they believe they are under occupation by a foreign entity and have no real means of self-determination).
I understand the argument that "it doesn't matter" who your ruling class claims allegiance to, but I think it's a strategic mistake for Leftists to (yet again) give chuds all the rhetorical advantage when it comes to an issue we've been vocal about for decades just because they're willing to shamelessly parrot "America First" without an ounce of self-awareness while we sit here criticizing eachother for not "choosing our words correctly" when it comes to criticizing Israeli influence over US politics. Obviously, "America First" is tone deaf national chauvinist nonsense, but it takes advantage of a sentiment that exists among the American working class: that we have no political representation and our needs are being ignored in favor of Israel's needs. Instead of shouting about how this is "wrongthink" we should probably be looking into how to push the working class in the right direction and away from right-wing slop.
>>2895471>landlord scum<i am jealous you have a houseDon't worry leftychud, when communism comes to america, you too will have a house.
>>2895469both are retarded and must be ended
>>2895491people aren't going to stop watering their lawns though i wouldn't mind americans moving more towards a chinese real estate model and abandoning suburban sprawl for high rises.
>>2895419they literally make 95% of all solar panels and wind turbines on the planet
>>2895495Climate change is still happening
>>2895493not voluntarily. no.
>>2895494they are not native to the land. and the water to cultivate them is diverted from it's natural course. this kills the ecosystems that the natural course of the water used to sustain and sets up the artificially irrigated lands for future ecological disasters such as wildfires, floods, pests, droughts, desertification etc.
and before you say it we should care about sustaining natural ecosystems not out of some naive hippy dippy tree hugger bullshit but because we vitally depend on them in a roundabout way. the crude shortsighted ecological engineering of diverting rivers hurts food production in the long term.
>>2895394If AOC let me Manage Her Campaign she would definitely win the Presidency, as I would have AOC cut her Hair extremely short (at least a chin-length Bob cut or preferably a Pixie cut), wear Masculine clothing (I obviously want her to wear a Mao suit but I would have to settle for a Pantsuit because she is a Social Democrat running for U$ President), speak with a Deeper voice, lose weight on a strict Pescetarian Diet, and stop freezing her eggs (Real Leftist Women do not get pregnant and have Kids), in order to reject the aesthetics of Bourgeois Femininity (ie. Long Hair, Dresses/Skirts, Makeup/Lipstick, etc.) and the Reactionary Patriarchal Gender Binary and embrace the Aesthetics of Proletarian Masculinity (Short Hair and Masculine Clothing, preferably Mao suits but in this case a Pantsuit) in order for AOC to be taken more seriously by the General Electorate and become a Liberated Socialist Woman (I know she is a Social Democrat, but Social Democracy is the only viable Praxis in the Imperial Core as long as Liberal Bourgeois Democracy exists and/or World War III does not break out, thus meaning Maoist PPW is not viable outside of the Periphery/Semi-Periphery, so every Real Communist (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist) should vote for AOC especially if she embraces the aesthetics of the Liberated Socialist Woman by cutting Her Hair really short, wearing Masculine Clothing, talking with a Deeper voice, loosing weight, not having kids, etc.), โ๐๐จ๐ณ๐ฐ๐ต๐จ๐บ๐ต๐ธ๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐ณ๏ธโโง๏ธ๐โข๏ธ ๐โโ๏ธ๐ฉโ๐ฆฒ๐!
Q: do you support Michael Dublin dropping out of the race?
A: no. The party of labor of America is confident that their candidate Jack wilimos has really good chances already. They just need convince others of this fact.
>>2895499i didn't say nut farming was le good I just pointed out that lawns are thirsty and produce no food
Look at history of fascism:
-no liberal thinkers were involved in the early creation of fascism
-fascism was created primarly by ex socialists, national syndicalists, and anarchists
-liberal and other group support only came after fascism started rising, not when it first was created.
-the prime support for early fascism was from national syndie, anarchist, and ex-socialist
-the founder of fascism was a nationalist schizo who was a former socialist
is there any american political group and person that parallels this trend
>>2895515all socialism in america is liberal anyway
are workers bourgeois?
>>2895045>implying you cant hate data centers because lawnWhat if I hate both?
>>289552490% of imageboard posts is logical fallacies, ragebait, false dilemmas, and making ups shit nobody said
>all socialism in america is liberal anyway
<"Laissez faire (in its full true meaning) opens the way to the realization of the noble dreams of socialism."-Henry George
>>2895447Lauf lost. I was totally betting on the beach babe but she just didn't have what it took.
>>2895473Just a thought. But I think there might be obstacles to transferring an anti-imperialist form of politics in a colonized / third-world country to the United States, but the United States is not actually (as a matter of objective reality) colonized by Israel. I mean it's not like French colonialism in Algeria or S.E. Asia, or British colonialism in India. I think you need more than for people to just "feel" like they're under occupation by a foreign entity, in those situations they literally were under occupation by foreign troops from Europe who spoke a different language.
Israel does try to push its agenda in the U.S. very hard, but the vector for that is a well-organized, highly civically engaged Jewish community in the United States. It's those people who assembled like Voltron and voted for Jared Moskowitz on Tuesday night. AIPAC money comes from within the United States. We have a pretty good sense of who the largest donors are, and the top guys are Jewish CEOs like Bernard Marcus of Home Depot, Jan Koum of WhatsApp, and various real-estate executives and directors of deluxe hedge funds from the East Coast financial sector:
https://www.trackaipac.com/donorsBut their investments are also global, and they have investments in Israel as well. But these ARE your neighbors. They live in New York and Palm Beach. Well maybe not your
neighbor neighbors, but they live here in this country and they're Americans.
I don't know what political implications we can draw from that. The far right wants to make it an ethnic conflict: the problem is the Jews. And look! (They'll say.) Here's a list of money-grubbing Jews with a lot of power! What they want to do is construct a cross-class alliance against the Jews. And then socialists on the left want to construct a politics that is "us vs. the billionaires" (more populist) without regard for the ethnicity of the billionaires. Or the working class vs. the capitalists.
One critique that Marxists have made of antisemitism is that it can paradoxically reaffirm the system of global capitalism by identifying the many problems as being caused by this minority group (as wealthy as it is). Even "capitalists" too if you want to get more leftcom with it; rather it's more of a system in which capitalists are also functionaries. In any event, the problem doesn't go away either because of the manifest badness of the situation and the relative weakness of the left at offering an alternative since socialism widely came to be viewed as discredited.
The scapegoat might shift to other people as well. This is running pretty hot at the moment, but it could recede in the future (it comes and goes), and people will find some other group to project all the ills of the society on. Also anti-imperialism is a hard sell because a lot of Americans don't believe that they're the moral equivalent of the Empire from Star Wars. A lot of Americans are more likely to view aggressive wars by the U.S. as idiotic mistakes than how the anti-imperialist left often likes to present them. So again, that allows the far right to advance the argument that "Americans" are basically good but "the Jews" are responsible. And on the left you might hear "Israel" as opposed to America.
And there is a danger of the left doing the "America deserved 9/11" stuff. But there might also be a danger of over-doing the anti-Zionism (which holds regardless of whether it's correct or incorrect) becase that risks getting ahead of the left's emphasis on advancing the interests of the working class and the poor. If those people feel like the left has abandoned them, they will vote for right-wing nationalists who will then produce a foreign policy that the left is likely to view as even more imperialist than what the U.S. is doing right now. So that can be a bad spiral. Idk, I've said enough, what does everyone else think?
>>2895195>The US leaves South Korea as its domestic situation gets more chaotic and its foreign policy goes up in flame particularly in MENA.So South Korea becomes more militarily independent as the US retreats step by step. But it seems like Japan would end up taking the vacuum just in time for their remilitarization.
>>2895195park chung hees wet dream
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