>I love my country but it does not yet exist editionThe American question is: how does a settler-imperialist nation transform itself into a decolonized socialist commonwealth without either reproducing the imperial form or fragmenting into balkanized enclaves that allow capital to reconstitute, while resolving the contradictions of internal colonization and liberating its external colonies, therefore using the empire's collapse to accelerate material conditions to enable the global revolution?
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>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ Marxists support
>state rights
>decentralization
>local self governance
>councils
>disintegration of the US
Sorry americhuds but state rights chads will inherent the earth
>>2899194>the far right have power and are committing genocide and destroying the planetAlways been the case.
>>2899298>sub-estimateEstimated
>>2899520
Shut up democrackkker
‘I hate Americans, all of them’: Malaysian politician’s anti-US rant draws backlash<Former PM Mahathir Mohamad’s son Mukhriz defended his anti-US rant, claiming ordinary citizens share blame for Washington’s foreign policy<3:47pm, 24 Aug 2026/Iman Muttaqin Yusofhttps://archive.is/20260824081825/https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/people/article/3365045/i-hate-americans-all-them-malaysian-politicians-anti-us-rant-draws-backlashhttps://www.scmp.com/week-asia/people/article/3365045/i-hate-americans-all-them-malaysian-politicians-anti-us-rant-draws-backlash?utm_source=Reddit&utm_medium=Social
>Malaysian politician Mukhriz Mahathir has triggered a social media storm after declaring in a video that he “hates Americans, all of them”, over Washington’s support for Israel – echoing the fierce anti-US rhetoric long associated with his father, former prime minister Mahathir Mohamad.>“I hate Americans. I despise Israelis, but I hate Americans, all of them,” Mukhriz said in the video, posted on Saturday.>“It matters not if they’re Republican or Democrat, pro-Israel or pro-Palestine. None of it matters to me,” he said, arguing that ordinary Americans should also share responsibility for the actions of leaders elected in their name.>Malaysia, a Muslim-majority nation, has long been one of Southeast Asia’s staunchest backers of the Palestinian cause and does not recognise Israel as a state.>Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim delivers a speech during a pro-Palestinian solidarity rally in last year. Photo: Reuters>Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim’s government has repeatedly condemned Israel’s conduct in Gaza, a stance that has increasingly put >Kuala Lumpur at odds with Washington over Malaysia’s refusal to admit Israeli citizens.>Last month, the US State Department summoned Malaysia’s ambassador to explain the policy.>Mukhriz drew a distinction between his own rhetoric and what he characterised as US-backed violence.
>My hatred is backed by nothing but words<Mukhriz Mahathir, Malaysian politician>“American hatred is backed by bombs, drones and vetoes. My hatred is backed by nothing but words,” he said. “Theirs kills. Mine does not.”
>He accused Washington of arming what he called a genocide in Gaza and shielding Israel from accountability, defending his remarks as an exercise of free speech.>“My loathing breaks no law. It is my right, my speech,” he said. “But American loathing of Palestinians? That breaks bones, burns tents, ends bloodlines.”>The video had been watched more than 350,000 times as of Monday afternoon, drawing some 9,000 reactions and dividing commenters.>“I respect your stance, sir. And I share almost the same,” one user wrote.>Others objected to Mukhriz assigning collective culpability to an entire nationality.>“Criticising a government or its policies is one thing, but saying you hate all Americans is spreading hatred towards an entire people based on nationality,” another user wrote, urging Mukhriz to use his position to promote understanding rather than hatred.>“Hate is a very heavy word and it is misplaced here,” a third user said. >“Condemning an entire nation of millions of diverse people because of the actions of their government is wrong.”>Mukhriz, 61, is a former two-term chief minister of the northern state of Kedah and president of the Malay nationalist Pejuang party.>He is also the son of Mahathir, Malaysia’s longest-serving prime minister, whose decades in national politics were marked by fierce criticism of US and Western foreign policy, particularly over Israel, Palestine and the invasion of Iraq. >>2899553least racist malay
>>2899554That’s a politician
>>2899560of a fascist country yes. not even israel has formal ethnic quotas with superiority of one group enshrined in the constitution like malaysia
>>2899386I really want 10 autonomous zones to pop up in America during the next bout of protests. Not because I want America to collapse, because I don't, but because I want to watch a comfy well documented collaboration between newly formed nation states much like David Attenborough attenuates the wildlife.
It would be a lovely moment in history.
Never mind I don't know what I am saying, attenuates is a word I've never used before. Please let there be a well documented established autonomous zone. Hopefully there is a lot of trans girls who pound me and a lot of feminists who peg me.
>>2899565Bro really sold out
>>2899553Basado. Fuck Amerigolems
>>2899569>>2899565How do you explain to the average burguer that Hasan is not a radical and him supporting democrats is worse then reddit dog drama slop ?
>>2899563>of a fascist country yesWhat country isn’t
>>2899588fascism was first invented when a tribesman was hit in the head with a rock and enslaved to plant wheat. that's right, society itself is fascist
Trealters like this thread because they can accuse anyone of pointing out the hypocrisy of their existence as schizo
>>2899598See? Proved the point.
Anyone calls out schizo behavior, they start screaming TREATTTLLLLLEEEEEERRRRR
>>2899600 (me)
>inb4 TREEEEEAAATTTLLLEEERRR againOkay. Then name names in the thread. You can’t, because it’s an anonymous imageboard, so you’re obviously projecting stereotypes so you don’t have to be criticized for how you shit up the thread
>>2899600Your "socialist" camouflage has failed you, treatlerite
Perhaps 4chan might be more your speed
Hello everybody, what's the deal with these schizos huh?
Has anyone seen the latest Graham Platner post, it was amazing!
>>2899605Lmao you’re so mad over getting called out
>>2899606Not as mad as you, treatler
>>2899607Oh wow you’re mad lmao
>>2899609I know you are but what am I
Emotional reasoning and trolling are the only purpose of the thread and the country
>>2899610>schizo gets so triggered by being called out on being immature that he regresses to kindergarten taunts in a desperate attempt to try and regain control of the conversation Can’t make this shit up folks
>>2899613The userbase have gotten the mods to give up
>>2899623I mean what’s the point of moderating a dying site anyway?
>Trump Threatens 50% Tariff on Automobiles and Parts From Canada
>“On January First, 2027, Tariffs on all Cars, Trucks, both large and small, Automotive Parts, and Steel, will be increased to 50%,” Trump said on Truth Social. U.S. tariffs on Canadian automobiles now stand at 25%, with discounts for the U.S. content in cars, while steel tariffs are at 50%. rip to all the states whose economies rely on Canadian goods lmao
https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/trump-threatens-50-tariff-on-automobiles-and-parts-from-canada-83c10448?st=4rFfS7 >>2899665Canadians don’t have shia islam martyrdom toughness integrated into their culture so surely we won’t embarrassed
>>2899667We do have an interesting mix of American psychopathy and a British stiff upper lip tho.
>>2899526>Estimatedunerestimated.
>>2899665same guy that rants that no one is helping the us to encircle China (2025) and open the straight hormussy (2026).
>>2899679Can’t forget militant first nations and french speaking rednecks
>>2899690burgerville was promised to leafland 2000 years ago.
Trump orders Quebec to drop all official language requirements
LOL>>2897890https://nitter.net/AliAbunimah/status/2091558691170349180Apparently Elamin also dropped the letter signature. Apparently Elamin said she never read the letter.
I'll say that Mumia didn't even see the letter, not even the fake letter that never arrived to the guardian.
someone set up this letter to destroy some people.
>>2899704Can confirm. I know some Franco-Ontarian rednecks that got into shootouts with game wardens over poaching and illegal hunting camps.
>>2899386late 'chives cuz i didn't bake this one
also
previous thread:
>>2897380 >>2899665was curious about his claims:
2024 (latest data I can find for free)
>USA imported $400Billion from Canada>USA only exported $273Billion to Canada>USA imports a lot of Crude Petroleum from Canada>USA's major exports to Canada seems to be Refined Petroleum, Cars, Trucks to Canada >>2899755ICE would definitely board the Magic Schoolbus to detain Carlos too.
>>2899605>>2899607>>2899610I reject the category of "treatlerite" altogether as one utterly devoid of class-conscious content, since it focuses on consumption instead of production. Is a worker having a beer or a cigarette treatlerism? What if he goes home and plays video games instead of drinking alcohol? is it treatlerism to own a gun?
It's an absurd category.
read marx:
The thoughts of every piece of private property as such are at least turned against richer private property in the form of envy and the desire to level everything down; hence these feelings in fact constitute the essence of competition. The crude communist is merely the culmination of this envy and desire to level down on the basis of a preconceived minimum. It has a definite, limited measure. How little this abolition of private property is a true appropriation is shown by the abstract negation of the entire world of culture and civilization, and the return to the unnatural simplicity of the poor, unrefined man who has no needs and who has not yet even reached the stage of private property, let alone gone beyond it. (For crude communism) the community is simply a community of labor and equality of wages, which are paid out by the communal capital, the community as universal capitalist. Both sides of the relation are raised to an unimaginary universality – labor as the condition in which everyone is placed and capital as the acknowledged universality and power of the community. […] The first positive abolition of private property – crude communism – is therefore only a manifestation of the vileness of private property trying to establish itself as the positive community. […] By reducing the worker's needs to the paltriest minimum necessary to maintain his physical existence and by reducing his activity to the most abstract mechanical movement. In so doing, the political economist declares that man has no other needs, either in the sphere of activity or in that of consumption. For even this life he calls human life and human existence. By taking as his standard – his universal standard, in the sense that it applies to the mass of men – the worst possible state of privation which life (existence) can know. He turns the worker into a being with neither needs nor senses and turn the worker's activity into a pure abstraction from all activity. Hence any luxury that the worker might enjoy is reprehensible, and anything that goes beyond the most abstract need – either in the form of passive enjoyment or active expression – appears to him as a luxury.
Karl Marx, Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, Third Manuscript, Private Property and Labor (1844)
A house may be large or small; as long as the neighboring houses are likewise small, it satisfies all social requirement for a residence. But let there arise next to the little house a palace, and the little house shrinks to a hut. The little house now makes it clear that its inmate has no social position at all to maintain, or but a very insignificant one; and however high it may shoot up in the course of civilization, if the neighboring palace rises in equal or even in greater measure, the occupant of the relatively little house will always find himself more uncomfortable, more dissatisfied, more cramped within his four walls. An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.
Karl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital (1847), Chapter 6
>>2899690holly stupid shit, lmao.
>>2899762#FREETHEALASKASTRIP
#FROMTHE BAYTOTHESEA
>>2899603>>2899598the periphery is 1984 so that the core can be brave new world, but both are dystopias. it's not actually benefiting us in the imperial core that our ruling class turned us into a bunch of morbidly obese, stupid, drooling, soft, diabetic brainwashed reactionaries with zero education. that benefits the ruling class. it might look like it benefits us if you're skinny and starving and getting worked to death, but trust me, you don't want to be a 300 lb reactionary coke guzzling diabetic parasite glued to a TV all day, that is not an improvement from being a 3rd world cobalt miner. everyone should be like the 2nd world countries. i mean it. the truth really is somewhere in the middle when it comes to "muh consoomption". nobody should be a slave getting worked to death in a mine and nobody should be a 300lb screen addicted "treatlerite" (a shibboleth that focuses only on consumption habits and not relation to the means of production, as noted above). everyone should work, exercise, stay healthy, get what they need to survive, receive an education, healthcare etc. oh but radlibs and fascists hate hearing this. no we can't just give everyone what they need, including a job and a health regiment. No … that would be treatlerism or something.
two questions are constantly confused with one another:
>what should the global average standard of living be if we wish to make our resource consumption sustainable, globally
<how do we stop the tremendous waste which occurs under capitalism because of the production of non-necessities, the destruction of the productive forces, imperialism, war, personal bad habits, etc. ?the answer to the latter question is proletarian revolution, the answer to the former question can only be established once we create a global society that no longer is predicated on profit rates and imperialism.
>>2898289that's what us media usage does to your brain.
total degradation.
>>2899767>strategies for development should not pursue capitalist growth and increased aggregate production as such, but should rather increase the specific forms of production that are necessary to improve capabilities and meet human needs at a high standard, while ensuring universal access to key goods and services through public provisioning and decommodification. At the same time, in high-income countries, less-necessary production should be scaled down to enable faster decarbonization and to help bring resource use back within planetary boundaries. With this approach, good lives can be achieved for all without requiring large increases in total global throughput and output. Provisioning decent living standards (DLS) for 8.5 billion people would require only 30% of current global resource and energy use, leaving a substantial surplus for additional consumption, public luxury, scientific advancement, and other social investments. Such a future requires planning to provision public services, to deploy efficient technology, and to build sovereign industrial capacity in the global South.Liberating the productive forces means liberating 70% of production from the shackles of capitalist anarchy. The paper answers the first question.
>the answer to the former question can only be established once we create a global society that no longer is predicated on profit rates and imperialismNo, we can tell in advance, actually. The answer above implies the need for revolution, not the other way around. I don't think you should argue against "profit rates" and "imperialism", but actually, we want a society not based on private appropriation and socialized production, but on socialized appropriation and production. Profit rates and imperialism are both consequences of private property.
In general, you have a good instinct but good instinct is just what you can hope when you stay on a cultural (surface) level analysis of what is going on.
>>2899780
>people treat me like a stupid asshole when I act like a stupid asshole
>>2899783>Profit rates and imperialism are both consequences of private property. yes, that is true, though I did not say or imply anything to the contrary.
>In general, you have a good instinct but good instinct is just what you can hope when you stay on a cultural (surface) level analysis of what is going on.OK, thanks for sharing the research paper. I will give it a read.
>>2899780
The userbase is tired of attention whores acting like childish morons and starting fights. It makes the site worse.
If that makes you feel like people are being “triggered” then you’re part of the problem.
Non-indigenous states that will exist after North Amerikkka is balkanised will include:
New Afrika
Quebec
New Californian Republic
New England
New York SSR
Puerto Rico
Newfoundland People's Republic
Every remaining indigenous people (who continue to practice their culture) will have their own state. The greatest of these will be Hawaii (there will be Pearl Harbour 2.0 (but nothing to do with the fascist Japanese attack) in which all the U$ navy will be sunk and the occupiers thrown out).
>>2899810cultural national autonomy is anti-communist. we demand the amalgamation of all nations. Read Lenin
>>2899803if you give these fools sensible counter arguments, it means you're triggered
if you ignore them, it means you hate the truth
if you tell them to fuck off, it means you're triggered
if you tell 'em they're correct, it means you're lying
if you say "yes" to all their accusations, it means you're the one honest american
>>2899820The fact that they never actually have any meaningful input on current events shows that they’re not serious communists. They’re just garden variety incels, no different from 4chan morons.
Like that guy up above who set up a strawman going “wow I love Platner.” Platner? The rapist who became irrelevant overnight? Thats the guy you’re using? Ask me how I know you’re an out of touch social media zombie…
>>2899806Nothingburger threats per usual
>>2899844
racebait
>>2899844
Yeah ok /pol/, fuck off
>>2899844
I didn't post the meme for you to say that stupid shit, you twerp.
>>2899852Who gives a fuck about Platner? He’s a discredited rapist, move on.
Syria (under al-jolani) is now de-listed from being a state sponsored of terrorism:
narco rubio:
>Today, I formally rescinded Syria’s designation as a State Sponsor of Terrorism. This action unlocks new potential for Syria’s economic revitalization and progress. The Trump Administration continues to advance U.S. national security to achieve peace, prosperity, and security in the Middle East.
>>2899565did he actually said that?
this is what electoral politics does to you
he's fumbling so fucking hard, and all for some grifters that are going to disavow him (and his ideas) the second they get a chance
confirmed happening
>>2899870>go on X>check "What's Happening">#CumTribute trendingFuck I'm about to happen, it's happeninggg hngg~!
>>2899865I'm sure it is for real this time
>>2899879they take them out of some list every 3 months, and then it turns out that it wasn't the real, actual terrorist list
>>2899856Seems like you're the one who can't move on.
>>2899852>bernie sanders the jew is turning against the jews by shaking hands with the hecking nazi oyster pettybooj who spent years voluntarily serving US-Israeli imperialism before becoming a blackwater merc and marrying into an AIPAC familyi hate everything lol. every single candidate, no matter how mediocre, is treated as the second coming of stalin or hitler when really they're just the usual US bullshit
>>2899911>lefty>anti soviet warriorso he was part of the anticommunist left
>>2899896you won't have any trouble in showing me the earlier annoucements from trump, rubio, and others.
>>2899874Why are you surprised by this?
canada just agreed to deport every francophone to louisiana
>>2899891do you realize that many many many alqaeda leaders and factions were killed and disbanded thanks to the us, too, don't you?
>>2899923>>28999242016 was a decade ago and meme magic isn’t real.
>>2899928Meme magic moves in subtle and mysterious ways
>“Nearly six months after the U.S. Navy evacuated 1,300 family members from Bahrain at the start of the Iran war, officials are saying the evacuees cannot return for the foreseeable future and should find new homes elsewhere. The evacuation has left families in limbo and forced military officials to improvise solutions for support programs that were never designed to sustain a displacement lasting this long. Some evacuees say they have spent tens of thousands of dollars out of pocket for basic living expenses. Others are sleeping on the floors of temporary housing, while their cars and furniture are stranded in Bahrain or aboard ships unable to leave the region.Thank you Iran for decolonizing the middle East
https://www.stripes.com/branches/navy/2026-08-21/bahrain-evacuation-military-families-navy-22618186.html well, trump officially admitted that the beef he is importing is from Argentina.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/argentina-fighting-life-trump-defends-121700734.html>Some commenters pointed out Argentina's controversial agricultural history. One reader highlighted a past incident where China allegedly rejected a massive 22-ton shipment of Argentine beef after discovering traces of chloramphenicol, a dangerous and banned antibiotic. burgers will eat ze-chemicals that even the Chinese won't.
>>2899944>argentina called it
>>2899945Those tariffs make your gas cheaper yet?
>>2899949Yes
No
Maybe
I don't know
Can you repeat that question?
>>2899846>>2899845Not racebait just truth.
How many Hispanic diaspora do you know that orgnanize?
How many do you know are foaming mouth reactionaries?
>>2899943Jesus Christ, how have these sailors not gone awol? They're making them pay to be in direct missile fire for no strategic purpose or plan.
>>2899955>How many Hispanic diaspora do you know that orgnanize?The bulk of the anti-ICE protesters and activists are Latinx folx
so that's it? he just resigns and we're all supposed to pretend nothing happened?
>>2899386>The American question is: how does a settler-imperialist nation transform itself into a decolonized socialist commonwealth without either reproducing the imperial form or fragmenting into balkanized enclaves that allow capital to reconstitute, while resolving the contradictions of internal colonization and liberating its external colonies, therefore using the empire's collapse to accelerate material conditions to enable the global revolution?Settler-colonialism ended in earnest well over a century ago, and all homesteading was officially banned half a century ago.
The United States is not a specifically or especially "imperial" nation. It IS the global imperial hegemon and the current center of all imperialism, but this isn't something fundamentally baked into it as a country, nor will imperialism necessarily end just because it isn't centered in the United States anymore. Imperialism an an economic structure that could appear in any country or even possibly no single country at all.
"Internal colonization" is a stupid concept invented by people who only had a critique of colonialism and when all they had was that hammer, everything looked like a nail.
The United States only has a few small, economically unimportant formal colonies. Of course, the United States oversees a form of neo-colonialism based on financial domination, but with the collapse of that financial regime, so too will the American system of financial imperialism.
>>2899943Actually Existing LAND BACK in action
>>2899963No, and the United States is still a burning ship on a crash course
>>2899973based. wildcat strikes shut down ben gurion airport a few days ago, he should lean into that
>>2899973one thing i'll never understand about hasan is that his entire online platform basically relies on zionist mega corporations not banning him. he streams on Twitch, which is owned by Amazon. he goes on MSNBC and CNN constantly. he spends most of his day on Twitter and has a fan Discord for his community. he has like, no real activism outside of zionist-approved platforms. it makes him seem disingenuous that he isn't willing to risk his giant platform by moving to a decentralized platform or at the very least multistreaming to a platform the zionists can't take down. but I think he does it on purpose to signal he isn't an actual threat to capital.
sorry this is unrelated to your post it just kinda has been bothering me.
>>2899978The FBI and Fox News wouldn't have an entire team of people monitoring his streams if he wasn't a threat to Zionism.
>>2899943As long as it ain't clenbuterol you should be fine
>>2899981that's not true, Fox News platforms him because he's a boogeyman for their viewers, not because of any tangible threat he represents.
the FBI thing is kind of silly since they monitor every reasonably online leftist. I'm sure Houdini is being monitored by the FBI too and his political impact is just feeding the homeless once a week.
Don't get me wrong I respect that he kind of "normalized" leftism in streamer spaces, but his dependence on Zionist media infrastructure is retarded.
>>2899983Name one (1) non Zionist media infrastructure
>Inb4 leftypol.org zog isn't real, the cope here is beyond belief
>>2899976i can't fucking believe it…
>>2899978>one thing i'll never understand about hasan is that his entire online platform basically relies on zionist mega corporations not banning him. he streams on Twitch, which is owned by Amazon. he goes on MSNBC and CNN constantly. he spends most of his day on Twitter and has a fan Discord for his community. he has like, no real activism outside of zionist-approved platforms. it makes him seem disingenuous that he isn't willing to risk his giant platform by moving to a decentralized platform or at the very least multistreaming to a platform the zionists can't take downHe's using the tools presented by the system accordingly.
What's to be done Should help you to understand why he can't be banned outrightly, while abiding to their rules.
But eventually someone will take him down because the us reeks of reaction. Not physically, because that would really martyr him, but through a very elaborate smearing campaign.
Unless he's clean as a whistle.
>>2899973>>2899995>>2899996Hasan selling out to stablishment democrats and zionist is either because he wants money or he legit belives "muh free healthcare" at all cost even if that means throwing away the palestinians cause. As for a boomer schizo murking him, i don't think nothing will ever happen.
healthcare status?
>>2899978>it makes him seem disingenuous that he isn't willing to risk his giant platform by moving to a decentralized platform or at the very least multistreaming to a platform the zionists can't take downbruh do you have any understanding of how the internet works at all
>>2900014Russia is the main place where iSSraelis come from.
>>2900023I don't think any aspect of social media would prevent Hasan from multistreaming using a self-hosted peertube instance or some shit just in case he gets banned. Instead whenever he gets banned he just jumps to Youtube or Kick, remaining in the Zionist media ecosystem and just censoring himself a bit further to stay on their good side. It's a bit pathetic tbh.
>>2900029>grabbing an iced cafecito, chopping it up with everyone behind the counterThey're chopping up their… drinks?
>>2900019Ford said he'll cut electricity before and he didn't do shit
>>2900035And god I cannot overstate how much I hate this "boy do I love being a normal human interacting in human ways!" kind of tone. Even if it's from AOC, who is of the least reptilian breed of politicians (still some reptile DNA in there), it smells like she's hiding some kind of anxiety that she feels she's losing touch, or that she's worried people don't see her as normal anymore.
It's the most mundane thing to say ever, even though I've felt exactly what she's describing before.
Like bitch you aren't a poet, your job isn't to attempt to capture the feeling of ennui you get looking out over the city or some shit. You're in fucking congress. There's a solemn weight to everything you do, and little tweets like this betray that seriousness when you're posting on your official account.
>>2900029Are Oye Como Va and Macarena the only songs in Spanish that AmeriKKKans know?
>>2900036my opinion on people who blast music in public entirely depends on the quality of the music and the quality of their sound system.
retards who listen to drake on the subway on full volume smartphone speakers while molesting every passenger's nose with their weed vape? straight to the gulags.
based chads who blast anison jpop in their car's $20,000 sound system so the entire neighborhood can enjoy good music? big respect.
>>2900039It's always bad and you should feel bad. It's only funny or cool when it's a homeless guy or crustpunk doing it to be weird or because they're insane
>>2900040eh, I don't really mind it if it doesn't sound like ass. it just adds culture and makes it more fun when you're in a downtown area when a cool car drives by with good music playing. obviously doing it in a quiet suburb is a dick move but if I'm already being assaulted by loud sounds of cars and traffic in a big city I don't usually mind music.
>>2900039>retards who listen to drake on the subway on full volume smartphone speakers while molesting every passenger's nose with their weed vapethat's based tho
>>2900042people who blow weed smoke at strangers are 100% going to the gulags when i become america's stalin.
>>2900041music from someone else's car always sounds like shit. you just hear thudding bass and nothing else.
>>2900027this is JD Vance, anon… what kind of point are you trying to make about the American Left by quoting JD Vance?
>>2900029>2018most relevant twitter screenshot award
(inb4 i must like AOC because I pointed this out)
>>2900039>blast music in public entirely depends on the quality of the musicThe willingness to force strangers to hear your music is inversely proportional to the quality of that music.
>so the entire neighborhoodDude I've worked the nightshift and am sensitive to sound, this shit is fucking awful. Why do you think people's ear drums should be raped? People feel the same way about sound that you feel about weed involuntarily in your nose.
>>2900043vape isn't smoke. it won't kill you. it didn't get combusted. way better than standing next to someone smoking a c*garette. You should vape some weed at least once before you die. Not saying you have to become a pothead.
>>2900039>>2900040>>2900041blasting music if it's not a concert is obnoxious. I have always listened to music over headphones to respect other people and only share if I am asked. there's time and place and 2am through a neighborhood of sleeping working class people who already don't get enough sleep is not one of them, yet that is the most likely time and place someone is going to do that obnoxious shit. just absolute bastards waking everyone and spiking their cortisol. you really hate fuckers who do this if you've ever lived with a baby who's hard to get to sleep and starts crying when they wake up
>>2900050MLs wholeheartedly embracing regarding other left tendencies the same way israelis view goyim was an inevitability
>>2900053yes, we know how it goes, it's "just a meme" until people stop looking at you weird when you show it, and then you want to fuck the furry lady unironically
>>2899976when half the nation voted for george W… it can't be true… I wanna choke him, cause he a snitch…. I'm talking bout george W
Smith, he ran for city council, back in 93 out in Oakland, you probly didn't hear about him >>2900056>the US gives billions to a settler colonial regime right now lol<The United States is a settler-colonial country because it's allied with a settler-colonial countryThat's not how that works.
>even if it were true that we no longer do it domestically against native americans (it's not)We don't do settler-colonialism against Native Americans.
>b-but the federal government doesn't respect their land rights!Yes, but settler-colonialism is something specific.
>if you sponsor settler colonial projects abroad, you're a settler-colonial nation.Not unless the settler-colonial project is for your nationals specifically. If Israel was a project specifically for Americans, then sure, the US would be settler-colonial. But it isn't, and it's not.
>like i'm not even the biggest "grrrrrrr all americans should kill themselves NOW" type of poster but this is relatively uncontroversial.Among a small fringe of Maoist retards.
>>2899949>Those tariffs make your gas cheaper yet?obviously not, why would they
>>2900058not merely "allied" but actively sponsoring the project with military aid and sending settlers who have dual citizenship in both the USA and Israel LMFAO
>>2900058>We don't do settler-colonialism against Native Americans.yeah we do. this isn't even some crazy "third worldist" position. this is completely uncontroversial
- In 2016, the US army corp of engineers approved a Energy Transfer Partners' proposal to build an oil pipeline near the Standing Rock Indian Reservation, sparking the Dakota Access Pipeline Protests, evoking a brutal response from North Dakota police aided by the National Guard, private security firms, and other law enforcement agencies from surrounding states. The Standing Rock Sioux tribe believes that the pipeline would put the Missouri River, the water source for the reservation, at risk, pointing out two recent spills, a 2010 pipeline spill into the Kalamazoo River in Michigan, which cost over billion to clean up with significant contamination remaining, and a 2015 Bakken crude oil spill into the Yellowstone River in Montana. Police repression has included dogs attacking protesters, spraying water cannons on protesters in sub-freezing temperatures, >700 arrests of Native Americans and ~200 injuries, a highly militarized police force using armored personnel carriers, concussion grenades, mace, Tasers, batons, rubber bullets, and tear gas. In November 2017, the keystone XL pipeline burst, spilling 210,000 gallons of oil in Amherst, South Dakota. 1, 2
- In 1975, FBI agents attacked AIM activists on the Pine Ridge Reservation, in the 'Pine Ridge Shootout'.[37] Two FBI agents, and an AIM activist were killed. In two separate trials, the U.S. prosecuted participants in the firefight for the deaths of the agents. AIM members Robert Robideau and Dino Butler were acquitted after asserting that they had acted in self–defense. Leonard Peltier was extradited from Canada and tried separately because of the delay. He was convicted on two counts of first–degree murder for the deaths of the FBI agents[38] and sentenced to two consecutive terms of life in prison, after a trial which is still contentious. He remains in prison.
- In 1973, 200 Oglala Lakota and AIM activists occupied the town of Wounded Knee, South Dakota, on the Pine Ridge Reservation, called the Wounded knee incident. They were protesting the reservation's corrupt US-backed tribal chairman, Dick Wilson, who controlled a private militia, called Guardians of the Oglala Nation (GOONs), funded by the government. FBI, US marshals, and other law enforcement cordoned off the area and attacked the activists with armored vehicles, automatic rifles, machine guns, grenade launchers, and gas shells, resulting in two killed and 13 wounded. Ray Robinson, a civil rights activist who joined the protesters, disappeared during the events and is believed to have been murdered. As food supplies became short, three planes dropped 1,200 pounds of food, but as people scrambled to gather it up, a government helicopter appeared overhead and fired down on them while groundfire came from all sides. After the siege ended in a truce, 120 occupiers were arrested. Wilson stayed in office and in 1974 was re-elected amid charges of intimidation, voter fraud, and other abuses. The rate of violence climbed on the reservation as conflict opened between political factions in the following three years; residents accused Wilson's private militia of much of it. 1
- In Nov. 1969, a group of 89 Native Americans occupied Alcatraz Island for 15 months, to gauge the US's commitment to the Treaty of Fort Laramie (1868), which stated that all abandoned federal land must be returned to native people. Eventually the government cut off all electrical power and all telephone service to the island. In June, a fire of disputed origin destroyed numerous buildings on the island.[7] Left without power, fresh water, and in the face of diminishing public support and sympathy, the number of occupiers began to dwindle. On June 11, 1971, a large force of government officers removed the remaining 15 people from the island.1
- From its creation in 1968, The American Indian Movement (AIM) has been a target of repression from law enforcement agencies, and surveillance as one of the FBI's COINTELPRO targets. This includes the wounded knee incident and the pine ridge shootout. 1
- In 1942 the federal government took privately held Pine Ridge Indian Reservation land owned by tribal members in order to establish the Badlands Bombing Range of 341,725 acres, evicting 125 families. Among the families evicted was that of Pat Cuny, an Oglala Sioux. He fought in World War II in the Battle of the Bulge after surviving torpedoing of his transport in the English Channel.[24] Dewey Beard, a Miniconjou Sioux survivor of the Wounded Knee Massacre, who supported himself by raising horses on his 908-acre allotment received in 1907 was also evicted. The small federal payments were insufficient to enable such persons to buy new properties. In 1955 the 97-year-old Beard testified of earlier mistreatment at Congressional hearings about this project.[25] He said, for "fifty years I have been kicked around. Today there is a hard winter coming. …I might starve to death." 1
- In 1890, US soldiers killed 150-300 people (including 65 women and 24 children) at Wounded Knee (19-26 people, including two women and eleven children.) on the Lakota Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in the U.S. state of South Dakota. Twenty-five soldiers also died, and 39 were wounded (6 of the wounded later died).[7] At least twenty soldiers were awarded the Medal of Honor. The event was driven by local racism towards the practice of Ghost Dancing, which whites found distasteful, and the Native Americans arming up in response to repeated broken treaties, stolen land, and their bison-herds being hunted to near extinction by the whites.1
- In 1887, the Dawes Act, and Curtis Act, resulted in the loss of 90 million acres of native-alloted land, and the abolition of many native governments. During the ensuing decades, the Five Civilized Tribes lost 90 million acres of former communal lands, which were sold to non-Natives. In addition, many individuals, unfamiliar with land ownership, became the target of speculators and criminals, were stuck with allotments that were too small for profitable farming, and lost their household lands. Tribe members also suffered from the breakdown of the social structure of the tribes. 1
- Starting in the 1870s, The US army, aided by settlers and private hunters, began a widespread policy of slaughtering bufallo and bison, in order to destroy many tribe's primary food source, and to starve Native Americans into submission. By 1900, they succeeded; the bufallo population dropped from more than 30 million, to a few hundred. The country’s highest generals, politicians, and presidents including Ulysses S. Grant, saw the destruction of buffalo as solution to the country’s “Indian Problem.” By destroying the food supply of the plains natives, they could more easily move them onto reservations.1
- Starting in 1830-50, The Trail of Tears was a series of forced removals of Native American nations, including Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, Seminole, Cherokee people and the African freedmen and slaves who lived among them, from their ancestral homelands in the Southeastern United States to an area west of the Mississippi River that had been designated as Native Territory. The forced relocations were carried out by various government authorities following the passage of the Indian Removal Act in 1830. "Marshaled by guards, hustled by agents, harried by contractors,they were being herded on the way to an unknown and unwelcome destination like a flock of sick sheep." They went on ox wagons, on horses, on foot, then to be ferried across the MississippiRiver. The army was supposed to organize their trek, but it turned over its job to private contractors who charged the government as much as possible, gave the Indians as little as possible. The Cherokee removal in 1838 (the last forced removal east of the Mississippi) was brought on by the discovery of gold near Dahlonega, Georgia in 1828, resulting in the Georgia Gold Rush.[6] Approximately 2,000-6,000 of the 16,543 relocated Cherokee perished along the way.[7][8][9][10][11]1
- In 1848, the California Genocide is a term used to describe the drastic decrease in Native American population in California. The population decreased from ~300,000 in 1769, to 16,000 in 1900. 1
- The Second Seminole War, also known as the Florida War, was a conflict from 1835 to 1842 in Florida between various groups of Native Americans collectively known as Seminoles and the United States, part of a series of conflicts called the Seminole Wars. The Second Seminole War, often referred to as the Seminole War, is regarded as "the longest and most costly of the Indian conflicts of the United States." ~3000 seminoles were killed, and 4000 were deported to Indian territory elsewhere. 1
- In 1832, the Black Hawk War, was a brief 1832 conflict between the United States and Native Americans led by Black Hawk, a Sauk leader, in Illinois. The war gave impetus to the US policy of Indian removal, in which Native American tribes were pressured to sell their lands and move west of the Mississippi River and stay there. Over 500 Native Americans were killed in the conflict.1
- In 1832, the Chickasaw Indians were forced by the US to sell their country in 1832 and move to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) during the era of Indian Removal in the 1830s.
- In 1813, the Creek War, was a war between the US, lead by the then notorious indian-hunter Andrew Jackson, and the Creek nation, residing primarily in Alabama. Over 1,500 creeks were killed. The war effectively ended with the Treaty of Fort Jackson, where General Andrew Jackson insisted that the Creek confederacy cede more than 21 million acres of land from southern Georgia and central Alabama. These lands were taken from allied Creek as well as Red Sticks. In 1814, Andrew Jackson became famous for his role in the Battle of Horseshoe Bend, where his side killed more than 800 Creeks. Under Jackson, and the man he chose to succeed him, Martin Van Buren, 70,000 Indians east of the Mississippi were forced westward.
- The Red Sticks, a faction of Muscogee Creek people in the American Southeast, led a resistance movement against European-American encroachment and assimilation; tensions culminated in the outbreak of the Creek War in 1813.
- From 1785-96, the Northwest Indian War was a war between the US and a confederation of numerous Native American tribes, with support from the British, for control of the Northwest Territory. President George Washington directed the United States Army to enforce U.S. sovereignty over the territory. Over 1,000 Native Americans were killed in the bloody conflict.
- In the 1800s, Indian removal was a policy of the United States government whereby Native Americans were forcibly removed from their ancestral homelands in the eastern United States to lands west of the Mississippi River, thereafter known as Indian Territory. That policy has been characterized by some scholars as part of a long-term genocide of Native Americans. 1
- The Texan-Indian Wars were a series of 19th-century conflicts between settlers in Texas and the Southern Plains Indians. Its hard to approximate the number of deaths from the conflicts, but the Indian population in Texas decreased from 20,000 to 8,000 by 1875. 1
- The Indian Wars is a name given to the collection of over 40 conflicts and wars between Native Americans and US settlers. The US census bureau reports that they have cost the lives of about 19,000 white men, women and children, including those killed in individual combats, and the lives of about 30,000 Indians. The actual number of killed and wounded Indians must be very much higher than the number given… Fifty percent additional would be a safe estimate..1
- From 1500-1900s, European and later US colonists and authorities displaced and committed genocide on the Native American Population. Ward Churchill characterizes the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 as a "vast genocide.. the most sustained on record. Some of the atrocities will be listed above. 1, 2
>>2900058>Among a small fringe of Maoist retards.so if i'm not a maoist or thirdworldist or a "radlib" but i agree it's relatively uncontroversial that the USA does settler colonialism … what then?
>>2899955motte and bailey, you have retreated from your original racist post that was deleted to something much more reasonable like "does anyone else notice gusanos exist?"
>>2899938bro I know what operation cyclone was you don't have to bring up this old british random guy to distract from what the US does. everyone remembers you stan al jolani too.
>>2900060>not merely "allied" but actively sponsoring the project with military aid and sending settlers who have dual citizenship in both the USA and Israel LMFAOSo does a significant chunk of the planet, and not just any American, but people of a very specific ethnic group (and its THAT ethnic group that are affiliated with Israel, whether or not they are American is irrelevant and, indeed, most Israelis are not American)
>>2900061This is just a list of crimes against the Native Americans, most not even related to any kind of settler-colonialism. Do you even know what settler-colonialism is, or do you think it's just when indigenous people are mistreated?
>>2900067Then you're wrong.
>>2900076no "a significant chunk of the planet" does not sponsor the israeli settler colonial project with military aid on the scale that the US does, lol. Basically the vast majority of weapons sales to israel come from the USA, italy, and germany, with 66% coming from the USA…. and then only the USA also gives israel FREE weapons, FREE money, FREE intelligence, FREE defense. you gonna sit there and not call that settler colonial? you're coping, dawg. like this is pretty basic shit. you can't even deny the truth of this you just have to cope that it's "not settler colonialsm". who cares what label even gets applied, shit happens and needs to stop.
> and not just any American, but people of a very specific ethnic group (and its THAT ethnic group that are affiliated with Israel, whether or not they are American is irrelevantwhen they maintain dual US-Israeli citizenship it absolutely functions as the US doing Israeli settler colonialism. why are you so defensive of the US regime anyway? it's not an attack on you personally as an american just because your government is settler colonial unless… for some reason you identify with the US settler colonial regime and feel that an attack on it is an attack on you.
>>2900076>This is just a list of crimes against the Native Americans, most not even related to any kind of settler-colonialism. those crimes would not be possible if the US were not a fundamentally settler colonial regime
>Do you even know what settler-colonialism is, or do you think it's just when indigenous people are mistreated?Settler colonialism is a process where settlers establish control over a land and its indigenous peoples, often displacing or assimilating the original population. This form of colonialism is characterized by the permanent settlement of colonizers and the transformation of the land to reflect their society and culture… so basically the USA in a nutshell. Again. shouldn't even be controversial on a leftist imageboard but for some reason it's ruffling your feathers.
>>2900081>those crimes would not be possible if the US were not a fundamentally settler colonial regimeCrimes against indigenous people are very possible for non-settler colonial regimes.
>Settler colonialism is a process where settlers establish control over a land and its indigenous peoples, often displacing or assimilating the original population. This form of colonialism is characterized by the permanent settlement of colonizers and the transformation of the land to reflect their society and culture… so basically the USA in a nutshell. Again. shouldn't even be controversial on a leftist imageboard but for some reason it's ruffling your feathers.Sure, but it's a specific program of doing this, which the United States no longer has. If what you mean is that the United States did it in the past, which has tainted it as some kind of original sin, probably a majority of the nations of this earth have engaged in some kind of history with settler-colonialism, including literally every country in the Western Hemisphere.
>enter thread
>it’s just one Amerifat defending genocide and settler-colonialism and a few anons responding
Never change, /uSSapol/
>>2899554>The American RaceLeast naztrot burger
>>2900194At least you have the bare minimum of self-awareness to recognize your morning habits
>>2900087Yes - Marx was a critic, and never gave a program of construction, unlike such experimental figures as Owen and Warren, derisively termed "Utopian Socialists" by Marxist cynics. Owen in his "Revolution in the Mind" (1848) wrote out a constitution and global platform for his desired revolution. The most we get from Marx is ten reforms (1848):
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htmSo Guttfeld is right that Marx could only measure destruction (1873):
<[dialectic] regards every historically developed social form as in fluid movement, and therefore takes into account its transient nature not less than its momentary existence; because it lets nothing impose upon it, and is in its essence critical and revolutionary.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p3.htmThe irony of course is that Communism is suggested by many to be eternal, or intransient, with any and all difficulties coming from without, and never within. Why shouldn't Communism destroy itself? This is why Albert Camus' "The Rebel" (1951) explains how all rebellion is founded in a positive view of self-defense, and thus acts as its own cause. Man is realised as his own end where he resists aggression. This is also the standard liberal view of freedom; that slaves are born from the cowards who submitted to masters, rather than dying for their own liberty. It is better to die standing, as it is said. So, all rebellion has a condition, while the Marxist view of unconditional negativity leads to nonsense and incoherence. This is part of Marx's own political inefficiency. The root problem I would say is the illiberal inception, given in Engels (1843):
<The axioms which qualify as robbery the landowner’s method of deriving an income – namely, that each has a right to the product of his labour, or that no one shall reap where he has not sown – are not advanced by us.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/df-jahrbucher/outlines.htmIf surplus value cannot be conceived of as "theft" as in the Proudhonist, Lockean and Lassallean view, then there is rebellion without a cause.
>>2900199Indeed, you are unserious for crying over someone stating that you are defending genocide and settler-colonialism, you intellectual skunk
>>2900201You’re talking to two different people, moron, and you arguing against a strawman.
>>2900029As I have said numerous times there zero I mean zero revolutionary potential in the Latin American diaspora in the USA
>>2900200The first statement is false. Marx wrote programs for the international and parti ouvrier. Marxists like Bukharin wrote other positive programs. What do you get from lying?
>>2900205>Positive programsWhere? Link them.
>>2900205He's a reactionary poster who has been shitting up the political economy threads for more than a year by now. His claim is the usual spiel
value is price / value is subjective. His twist is that he claims to deduce this from a close reading of Marx and that he is very verbose.
>>29000372018 was before she was even in office…
In 2018 people were probably figuring out what twitter was even for (I've never had a twitter account but surely there was a time when people were like "uh I guess I'll just make a cute post about how I'm feeling today, what's the harm???")
>>2900219LMAO can't help but laugh atp. poor canucks
>>2900215>ReactionaryDefine "reactionary" and provide examples.
>value is subjectiveAs opposed to what? If "value" is "objective", then it is a property found within objects, rather than socially mediating them. Marx denied any such physicalism in his formulations, as we read (1867):
<no chemist has ever discovered exchange value either in a pearl or a diamondhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htmFurther, "labour" as a factor of cost is subordinate to utility:
<nothing can have value, without being an object of utility. If the thing is useless, so is the labour contained in it; the labour does not count as labour, and therefore creates no value.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htmSo, only useful labour is valuable, and usefulness is subjective. If you make mudpies, they're not valuable - why? Because they're not useful. That's what Marx writes himself, but when I say it, you seem to rebel.
>a close reading of MarxIt's literally the first chapter of Capital Vol. 1.
99% of Marxists have never read it.
>>2900200>>2900223Smithanon you are a liberal, not a communist. Please take these ideas to the neoliberal Subreddit, they will appreciate your theories more
>>2900061That's not what settler colonialism means. The American and Native American bourgeois rub shoulders and sit at the same tables, they are in perfect unity
>>2900219Surprised he didn't want to change it to lake Trump.
>>2900045
are they "endorsing" jefferies, or they cannot meaningfully stop him from being leader? I have no doubt that jefferies is very unpopular in their districts, but I don't think spending their political capital on a messy public fight will be viewed well. The progressives even if Ilhan Omar was house majority leader aren't going to be able to pass anything they want to do anyway. The most reasonable thing to do is two years of televised investigations and hearings while blocking as much as possible.
>>2900225Neoliberals are pro-capital rather than pro-property. Marx highlights the contradiction between the two in the Manifesto (1848):
<in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenthshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htmA Classical Liberalism thus can only proceed on the basis of land reforms which expropriate the expropriators of private property. Murray Rothbard justifies this by the Homestead Principle (1969):
<One of the tragic aspects of the emancipation of the serfs in Russia in 1861 was that while the serfs gained their personal freedom, the land—their means of production and of life, their land was retained under the ownership of their feudal masters. The land should have gone to the serfs themselves, for under the homestead principle they had tilled the land and deserved its title. Furthermore, the serfs were entitled to a host of reparations from their masters for the centuries of oppression and exploitation […] The same is true of the abolition of slavery in the United States. The slaves gained their freedom, it is true, but the land, the plantations that they had tilled and therefore deserved to own under the homestead principle, remained in the hands of their former masters. Furthermore, no reparations were granted the slaves for their oppression out of the hides of their masters. Hence the abolition of slavery remained unfinished, and the seeds of a new revolt have remained to intensify to the present day. https://panarchy.org/rothbard/confiscation.htmlMarx promotes the same principle, but in a subverted form (1867):
<The expropriators are expropriated.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch32.htmAndrew Kliman in his discussion with Per Bylund was also shifty on this question of a returning of property to those who have right to it. As read with Engels (1843), property rights are not asserted, and so I see a theoretical and moral inconsistency in Marxism to the same ends of radical politics. Murray Rothbard expresses it here (1969):
<Socialism is a reactionary reversion, a self-contradictory attempt to achieve classical radical ends: liberty, progress, the withering away or abolition of the State, by using old-fashioned statist and Tory means: collectivism and State control. Socialism is a New Toryism doomed to rapid failure whenever it is tried, a failure demonstrated by the collapse of central planning in the Communist countries of Eastern Europe. Only libertarianism is truly radical. Only we can complete the unfinished revolution of our great forebears, the bringing of the world from the realm of despotism into the realm of freedom. Only we can replace the governance of men by the administration of things.https://mises.org/mises-wire/meaning-revolutionWe also read this in Schumpeter (1908):
<economic forces are not only of the same nature, at all times and everywhere, but also that they lead, under a régime of free competition, to the same results as in a communistic societyhttps://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/schumpeter/value.htmAn idea of means and ends of this sort are originally given in Aristotle, but in modernity, are best expressed by the Invisible Hand (Gen 50:20):
<ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto goodhttps://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2050%3A20&version=KJV >>2900244like i said, a liberal
>>2900246No one is a communist, it’s impossible to be a communist because the material conditions for communism do not exist
>>2900248You and every other worker are completely replaceable and the capital doesn’t need you or even the capitalist or a planet
>>2900249this is preferable to being forced to be part of a grand pyramid scheme i have no interest in
>>2900250It’s going to wall off and crush whatever humans are there, if you want a vision of the future read BLAME!
>>2900246Of course; I am a proud liberal.
I was just demonstrating why neoliberals are illiberal.
>>2900247Isn't a communist just a member of a Communist Party?
By the same standards, most people here aren't Communists, still.
>>2900252>weebshitno i dont want my soul tarnished
>>2900257You never had a soul to tarnish in the first place, no one does
>>2900261not true they were having a three for one sale at K-mart just the other day
>>2900252> if you want a vision of the future read BLAME!i'm not gonna do that so instead I shall read a plot summary on Wikipedia….
update… yeah, this shit is fantastical and would never happen.
>>2900225you don't have any counter arguments to what he said, you're making him look correct.
>>2900223the objective component of value is exchange value. just because a chemist can't find it doesn't mean it isn't objective. Exchange value is not simply price nor is it is simply utility. Between the utility that gives humans a reason to produce something, and the final price of the article in the market, there is an objective process of production which has an average cost that is different from the final price, this is the cause of the struggle between profits and wages.
>>2900247WRONGI am the last communist.
I am a communism.
>>2900098you ignored my other post completely where I pointed out the settler colonial project of Israel that the US objectively sponsors on a scale and with a ferocity that no other country does:
>>2900080so you can't just simply appeal to the fact that we are no longer doing wounded knee style massacres every other day… and btw that is because the settler colonialism in this country was so successful that the genocide of the natives reached a point where they are permanently neutralized as a serious threat to our settler-colonialism, which continues in earnest on top of their corpses and around their tiny negelected reservations.
so not only do we sponsor (with free giveaway of weapons, free money, free intelligence, free defense, as well as for-profit weapons sales on a scale no other country does) the settler-colonial project of israel, and its ongoing genocide of the palestinian people, but we sponsor the migration of US-born citizens who attain Israeli citizenship. the objection that only jewish americans get to do this does not neutralize the participation of the rest of US society, from the government to the MIC to the christian evangelical zionists, to the every day dock workers who refuse to go on strike to block weapons shipments, and in fact the ILWA has even made exceptions to keep shipping weapons to israel even during a strike it had a few years back… astounding, right?!
I see no real reason to object to this characterization as settler-colonialism.
Vance has no chance in 2028, the GOP will get btfo in the midterms so hard they will lose the house and senate. Trump will be blamed, so his endorsement will mean nothing and vance will have the stink of trump on him. This will open up a lane for a republican anti trumper, they will say they were always against trump and vance was trumps right hand man.
The person most likely to win the gop nomination in 2028 is going to be the complete opposite of trump as a person. never trumpers won, neocons won, its over for trumpcels.
I think there is a lane for two types of anti trumpers in 2028.
- the neocon never trumper, so called compassionate conservative, who wants to restore the party back to "normal"
- the "trump wasnt america first hard enough" never trumper, this will be massie, mtg, tucker, etc
i think after the midterms destroys trump and the gop, these will be the two lanes that open up and lead to vances down fall
>>2900266>you don't have any counter arguments to what he said, you're making him look correct.if liberalism looks correct in your eyes then you were never going to make it.
>>2900266>its objective but not physicalSo what is it? Where is it? We can read further (1867):
<The value of commodities is the very opposite of the coarse materiality of their substance, not an atom of matter enters into its composition […] the value of commodities has a purely social reality […] value can only manifest itself in the social relation of commodity to commodityhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm>there is an objective process of productionBut what "counts" as a product?
<If the thing is useless, so is the labour contained in it; the labour does not count as labour, and therefore creates no value.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm >>2900264Nihilists are right In that thinking that a global revolution of the proletariat resulting in classless, moneyless society was a meaningless pipedream of a deeply fucked up time. It's never happening, fight for yourself and those willing to fight with you, so you can build something meaningful and abandon the rest of the world, they have chosen their path. Embrace barbarism
>>2900213Fuck you mean where? Is googling "parti ouvrier programme" too difficult for your academic ass? Or "bukharin world revolution programme"?
>>2900275>fight for yourself and those willing to fight with youFuck you, kill yourself.
>>2900225most of the posters here are libs, smith anon is in the correct place
>>2900272you didn't read the second half of my post where i gave him a counter argument since you didn't. you just took an opportunity to snark it up. seriously even a chatbot would do better than this. why do you think you never have to put in any effort to combat liberalism? why do you think marxism is just declaring you're right, never educating anyone, and acting snarky?
>>2900274>So what is it? Where is it? We can read furtherI answered this question:
< Exchange value is not simply price nor is it is simply utility. Between the utility that gives humans a reason to produce something, and the final price of the article in the market, there is an objective process of production which has an average cost that is different from the final price, this is the cause of the struggle between profits and wages.Just because something has a subjective starting point (use value) doesn't mean it cannot have an objective production process (exchange value) resulting in an approximate price. The reason exchange value isn't simply price is because Marx is deliberately ignoring those factors that influence the final price in order to highlight the class struggle in the production process. If he simply intended for exchange value to t be price, he would have said so. Exchange value is use value plus production process minus whatever factors causes the price to deviate from the exchange value, the same way the endpoint of a donkey's tale can deviate from its ass but is always approximate to it within certain bounds. By centering price you decenter class struggle, and his goal was to talk about the economics of class struggle, not simply economics in and of itself, which is why the book is a critique of political economy and not merely a reproduction of it.
>>2900278>i'm back with another 1 sentence contribution intending to ragebaitout of all the trolls at least you are the one who never cries when he is banned, though you do deserve every single one
>>2900274btw even utility is probably objective, we just haven't unraveled the mysteries of the brain enough to understand what causes a particular brain to decide a particular object is useful. Presumably a lot of weight will be given to survival, and also pleasure. A person obviously will always need food, water, shelter, and other articles which contribute to subsistence, but they will also seek out commodities that are absolutely detrimental to survival like alcohol and tobacco, leading us to call use value "subjective" but really that is just because we want to get to the point of class struggle which takes place in the production process, between the people who own no means of production and those who do. By declaring this unscientific, you only show that you do not care about the science of class struggle, and you only care about the science of economics. Why are we not allowed to have different priorities when it comes to the phenomena we are aiming to explain?
>>29002702028 presidential election will be AOC vs Tucker Carlson.
Tucker is the obvious anti israel, anti imperialist choice.
>>2900288Tucker will blow China up.
Motels as a Spearpoint in Revolutionary Organizing [Adapted from Internal Documents]
Note: Adapted from Internal Organizing Documents
I think setting up a period pantry at the [redacted] in the lobby is a very doable and achievable goal. The owner, despite being a landlord, is a Democrat, and there is room in the lobby. He has already let us put up a flyer in the lobby for the food share. I cannot promise he would agree to it, but I think he would, and this could be replicated in other motels if we have one success story. Basic hygiene products as well as period supplies should not be too difficult to keep stocked, and [redacted].
More about the concepts behind this strategy: motels are where the transient population lives. Yes, there are the people who use it like a traditional motel, but a lot of these folks are borderline homeless or unable to afford a deposit on a real place. These are some of the most disenfranchised segments of the working class. The guy who spins the sign outside of the smoke shop lives here, to give you an idea of the type of worker I am thinking about. With this first motel, we have a structural advantage. I know the owner and have built up a good relationship with him. The next motels we target will not have this advantage, but they will have the previous success story. One domino falls, and these ultra-budget motels are hyper-competing for the same group of very poor workers. If one has it, others may be more compelled to allow us to operate in this capacity.
The period pantry makes for a good foundation because every motel does provide the absolute most basic toiletries, toilet paper and a bar of soap, but beyond that, the customer is on their own. They are not providing period products despite them being essentials. The capitalist brain of the owner will see this outside group providing additional toiletries as a cost saving, market friendly addition to the lobby. Assuming that we handle the restocking and managing the presentation, this means no additional labor plus an additional offering. The business owner has strong logical reasons to agree to our proposal. We do not really care about the business or the business owner. We are after a means of distributing propaganda to incredibly disenfranchised workers.
These motels are highly policed, so literature about knowing your rights fits in well with this framework and is ultimately the true purpose of the period pantry: to give us a direct, physical means of reaching the most disenfranchised workers. They are presented as period pantries but are really distribution points, propaganda that marks territory and flexes our power. We would be addressing a real material need, making inroads into working class lives, while also having a real, visible material presence among the most disenfranchised, who often already have networks and systems of mutual aid they are tapped into that we do not know about. When we put up the food share flyer, soon after a flyer for free HIV testing appeared. Is this not a group to network with? If we open the space, others will use it as well.
Why not community pantries? I have personally seen success with starting a community pantry in a cafe-like space, at [redacted], but they do not sell any food. Every motel lobby sells some sort of snacks: basic chips, noodles, pastries. This angle of profit makes the community pantry angle less effective, since we are now competing to a degree with the small business owner we seek to parasite off of. The community pantry angle could be a direct upgrade to the period pantry as well. If we imagine the period pantry as, say, a three shelf cart, then all it really takes is someone leaving a few cups of noodles on that second shelf to build out that pantry organically.
The period pantry framework provides the barest minimal investment and upkeep. We would need to stock five to seven products total, and these are all products that can be bought in bulk. As we apply this, we can work with residents who are less transient to help build an ecosystem approach. For example, in the motel [redacted], the bottom floor has several sex workers who already have systems for spreading out the cost of rooms and providing basic groceries and such for each other. Finding these groups helps take the burden off our chapter in terms of stocking and managing things. We start the pantry, but the goal is to build one that is self sustaining.
There must be thousands of rundown, cheap, transient motels and inns in the state of Florida. It is a defining material condition in modern capitalist America. We would not bat an eye about a plan to push for period pantries on campus. It should be self evident how this type of plan would benefit our reach and allow us to propagandize among the most disenfranchised members of the working class without a massive investment. We have the grounds to test. If the test works, we have the means to spread. If the spread takes, then we could very well have a model to organize that can be replicated in other deep-south, poverty heavy areas, areas that the DSA has historically struggled to even attempt to organize in.
Overall, I think that getting just one period pantry built will open the door to creating others, and the nature of these motels makes them very important nodes to capture. The people who stand to gain the most from socialism are the workers who are using the motels as what are essentially transient barracks. Motels are the modern worker's quarters: cheap but costly, affordable but expensive. As material conditions continue to decline in the US, more and more proletariat will find themselves living in these types of places. Florida is the epicenter of this, and we will be the ones to lead in organizing in these areas. The period pantry will be just one obelisk that leads these proles towards our organization, our material structures, towards class consciousness. Finally the relationships build between the small business owner class whom typically operates these motels, and our organization will be key in securing electoral victories. This is the least important aspect of the network building to me, but one cannot deny that maintaining a favorable relationship with the class-enemy has powerful perks in terms of power building.
>>2900276At the beginning of the document:
<Marx wrote: “this very brief document in its economic section consists solely of demands that actually have spontaneously arisen out of the labour movement itself. There is in addition an introductory passage where the communist goal is defined in a few lines.”https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/05/parti-ouvrier.htmThe footnotes add that Marx himself only wrote the preamble, and this was the source of conflict against the French Communists, of who he remarked against, famously saying "I am not a Marxist".
>>2900279>Production processYou still haven't confronted that to Marx, a product is only realised in its act of use. Consumption determines production (1857-67):
<Consumption produces production […] the product, unlike a mere natural object, proves itself to be, becomes, a product only through consumptionhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/grundrisse/ch01.htm<Use values become a reality only by use or consumption […] nothing can have value, without being an object of utility. If the thing is useless, so is the labour contained in it; the labour does not count as labour, and therefore creates no value.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm>PricePlease define what exactly prices are, and things will be elucidated.
>>2900284>>2900287You're rambling. I have a bad habit of it as well.
>>2900286Time you enjoyed wasting wasn't really wasted <3
>>2900245>He thinks Quebecois just want to be allowed to speak FrenchBuddy has no idea what a mess he'd be wading into if he annexed Quebec. They're used to a level of catering and accommodation that no American minority could ever comprehend.
>>2900298Every white ethnic especially jews are just as catered and pandered to as Franco canucks tho
>>2900299but do they have healthcare?
>>2900299Honestly as privileged as American Jews are it doesn't even come close. To reach the same level they would need the following:
>Yiddish/Hebrew made an official language at the national level>All government services are offered in Yiddish/Hebrew >All high ranking politicians and leaders are expected to speak Yiddish/Hebrew >Jews get a constitutionally entrenched exemption to secularism requirements in schools, meaning that they can have taxpayer funded religious schools>All students regardless of region or religion have to study Yiddish/Hebrew in high school>All commercial labels need to he in Yiddish/Hebrew as well as English>None of these rules cut both ways, meaning that in Jewish majority areas they aren't obligated to provide accommodations of any kind to non-Jews >>2900298quebecois will get assimiliated in all of about 5 seconds after they lose their stupid French language enforcement mafia. canada is seriously a backwards ass country for not having language equality. puerto rico has language equality between spanish and english and they're not even a state lol
>Quebec language police try to ban 'pasta' from Italian restaurant menu
>They are known as the language police, a unit within the regional Quebec government that seeks to protect French from the rising tide of English. It deploys inspectors to rein in recidivist anglophones, take on big corporate transgressors such as Guess, the Gap and Costco and conduct spot checks to follow up thousands of public complaints.
<After a five-month investigation into an anonymous complaint, Massimo Lecas received a letter from the board telling him that his establishment, Buonanotte, had broken the law by including the words "pasta" on the menu and "bottiglia", the Italian word for bottle, instead of the French word bouteille.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/01/quebec-language-police-ban-pasta >>2900304>puerto rico has language equality between spanish and english and they're not even a state lolYeah and I'm willing to bet it hasn't caused them to stop speaking Spanish or lose their unique identity.
>>2900304>goes after anglos AND italianssounds based
we might have to make an exception for acab
Liberate Quebec JDPON Don!
>>2899959because these aren't "sailors" they are colonial mercenaries that intuitively understand that their fate is tied to colonialism. are you stupid or what? nvm, these words are probably too hard for you. let me illustrate it; being an american soldier is still infinitely better than being a migrant worker in a gulf state
>>2900309>they are colonial mercenaries that intuitively understand that their fate is tied to colonialismSo far colonialism has left them starving on a ship with no working toilets to fight a war they dont even want or believe in. Seems like they have an interest in decoupling their fates from it.
>>2900304rare example of progressive bourgeois law enforcement
>>2900312>repressing the language of immigrants to enforce the majority settler colonial identity is progressive Beuh
>>2900311they wanted it enough to sign up, and they believe in the pay alright. they're pissed they had to pay 10k to rent a house for 6 months, a migrant worker in the gulf doesn't make that in a year. they are never going to defect their position to become part of the underclass in saudi arabia or wherever the fuck
>>29003131/32 xeneize 10th generation migrant that didn't speak a word of italian before opening his thematic slop joint
an american soldier revolting because their barracks got bombed is as unrealistic as a doctor going
>fuck, these diseases are really dangerous, I'm done with medicine, I would rather be an uber driver
>>2900268>you ignored my other post completely where I pointed out the settler colonial project of Israel that the US objectively sponsors on a scale and with a ferocity that no other country doesAre Germany and Italy settler-colonial countries too, or is there some arbitrary amount of support you have to give to Israel to somehow become settler-colonial yourself by association and below that it doesn't count?
>>2900311Yeah but have you considered that they're American therefor they're all bloodthirsty savages who would happily kill and die for the chance to murder innocent brown people? I am very into materialism
>>2900318The obvious difference is that a doctor does what they do because they believe in saving lives. If soldiers don't believe in the cause then they have no reason to put themselves at risk. The job of communists is to make them stop believing, and calling this impossible is tantamount to calling revolution impossible.
>>2900324
>deserves it
Moralism, idealism, etc
>>2900292houdini, is this you? please confirm/deny. I see your 3 eyed betty boop and writing that sounds like yours, but I do not see your name or trip. Is this fakedini?
>>2900329So anyway, USAnos.
What are your plans for this 9/11? Any new psyops in the chamber?
>>2900329Why not Lake New York? I know why, but still…
>>2900292>. The people who stand to gain the most from socialism are the workers who are using the motels as what are essentially transient barracks. Motels are the modern worker's quarters: cheap but costly, affordable but expensive. As material conditions continue to decline in the US, more and more proletariat will find themselves living in these types of places. Florida is the epicenter of this, and we will be the ones to lead in organizing in these areas. years ago when my wife was pregnant with our first kid, i went to home depot to pick up some bags of soil for our garden. while i was in the parking lot loading the bags of soil into my busted ass old truck, I was approached by two homeless women, one much older than the other, who said they needed a ride. They turned out to be mother/daughter. The daughter was a young adult, probably early to mid 20s, and would not speak. The mother said she had issues communicating. I took them to Target and by their request got them a 50 dollar gift card. I asked the mother why they wanted a gift card instead of just cash. She would not really elaborate, but I suspected that one or both of them might have been struggling with drug addiction, and with a gift card instead of cash, they would be forced to spend the money on necessities at Target instead of carrying around cash which could easily be misused on addictive substances. I could be wrong but that was my guess. At the time Biden was still president and I began complaining about the administration. This prompted the mother to express loudly and proudly her loyalty to Trump. I explained that I did not like either party and that I thought both parties betrayed the working class and poor people. She said Trump wasn't a politician and that's why she liked him. We became heated so I gave up on that point and just drove them to where they were staying, which was a motel. I warned them that they would get into a debt spiral since motels can be more expensive than rented accomodations. She said she knew but didn't have enough legal income to get into any apartment complex. This was in Florida, btw. Thought you might find that interesting.
>>2899575It can be hard to convince normies of this because Hasan really seems to think he's a radical
>>2900340
he actually said it like this btw
in quebec you're supposed to put the last name first
this is a signal that carney will give up quebec in exchange for keeping alberta
>>2900230>what would you spend your millions on if you were lucky enough to be born a Native, leftypol?I'd live a life of moderate wealth and invest enough in financial stuff that my descendants could live off the rents without working a day of their lives.
Then I'd use much of the rest, to save up and buy up struggling small businesses one at a time while covertly funding their unions with help from the loads of subsidies the government gives to small bourgeoisie. I'd take enormous pleasure in denigrating the perplexed managers, baiting them into life ruining business partnerships with my associates and SLAPP litigation and generally making their lives as miserable as possible until they persuaded to leave the post to an union officer, or kills themselves.
The primary aim is to torture the small bourgeois, one at a time, over years, not class warfare. But the workers can have it as a treat. I don't care for profit, I just want to dismantle the bosses life piece by piece until they feel their only escape is death. Then "rescue" another establishment and begin a new project for my hobby.
trump just threatened to blockade the gulf of saint lawrence
>>2900348
Judaism, Abrahamism, and Religion in general, is mental illness.
>>2900356
Ziohran is an abrahamist, so that does not contradict me, silly boy
>>2900361
you type like drunk and think it add clarity. me real brevity. you fake brevity.
>>2900353
assimilation progressive
Just name the whole planet America at this point? Why not? Who fucking cares?
>>2900370There's a non zero chance they attempt the Venezuela strategy again and do some kind of decapitation strike in the expectation that Canada will just immediately fold
>>2900375Even a full land invasion of Canada would go very well for them for the first week or even year like Iraq, it’s actually medium to long term occupying it and “Americanizing” Canada that will fall flat on its face like with Iraq.
>>2900379Bullshit my school showed the Ken Burns Huey Long documentary in our social studies class
>>2900384this is true, Houdini and Felix are the same person
>>2900379nah there was a succdem/radlib podcast about engineering disasters i used to listen to and they would joke frequently that a huey long presidency would have been socialism with mob characteristics
>>2900384>Wrongschizo, JucheschizoSure, I believe it
>Chagos posterDoubtful
What makes you say this?
>>2900375Canada is a founding member of NATO so that is not going to happen lol. also Canada is "white" and Venezuela is "brown". Also Canada is "capitalist" (despite castro's son being president lol) and Venezuela is "socialist"
>>2900384that is crazy but i believe it. the acp connection is new to my knowledge.
>>2900401If the definition of whiteness arbitrarily expands so white supremacy can be upheld there’s no reason it can’t arbitrarily contract for the same reason
>>2900404>Here’s how the growing trade war could hurt Americans part of the headline because it's the only thing burgers care about o algo
>>2900405It can’t ever expand to black people though or else it collapses entirely
>>2900401NATO doesn't matter when it's america. They bombed the Nordstream pipeline which was an act of war against Germany. It's simply a fact that canada would get steamrolled
>Also Canada is "capitalist" Exactly, imperialist nations have more to loot and steal from. All the more reason to invade
>>2900408>It can’t ever expand to black peopleEver heard of Dominicans?
>>2900410You can say “I no black I dominican poppy” all you want, Republican suburbanites will never let them in the club
>>2900413never ask a white supremacist what color his girlfriend is
>>2900422i almost didn't watch your video because I thought you posted it as an example of influencers being cringe, but this guy is spitting straight truth
>>2900037>Even if it's from AOC, who is of the least reptilian breed of politiciansAnd you believe this?
>>2900401Honestly at this point its pretty hard to say what's bluster and what he's serious about. So far the deep state has let Trump get away with some pretty retarded shit, but destroying NATO by attacking another member might be too far for the security establishment. Trump was always unpopular with the military brass, and he and Hegseth are definitely on much thinner ice since the Iran disaster. So it's not just a question of whether he would be stupid enough to attack Canada, but whether the military would even go along with it.
>>2900422>>2900425America is currently under a Reddit Occupied Government
>>2900422>vid>[the trump presidency] is a kleptocracy>the ironic thing is that lowkirkuinly that is how Venezuala operates under Chavez and Maduro>It is a regime of corruption that depends on oppressing people Why did you post this retard?
>>2900434The Maduro government was corrupt and weak. Critikkkal support and yadda yadda but let's all be honest with ourselves here.
>>2900430The "Deep State" at this point, as much as it even exists, is entirely captured by the dumbest MAGAtards who's main expertise prior to working in this administration was making spicy tweets under usernames like @loligroyper1488 or @thetruejewnoticer. There are no more guardrails, Trump has surrounded himself with people like Natalie Harp who literally worship him as a god to the point of altering Bible verses to be about Trump. If he sincerely get it into his head that he can just fire missiles at Ottawa and take out Mark Carney there's nobody that can realistically stop him.
Now as far as surviving the aftermath of such an egregious attack on a fellow NATO nation…well at minimum we'd basically be treated like we treat the DPRK by the entire rest of the world save for Israel and a couple of our Latin American puppets, and there would almost certainly be a military coup of some kind followed by major concessions to Canada by the new junta to restore some semblance of normalcy. Of course by that point the damage will be done and nobody in their right mind would trust America ever again
>>2900433
Off your meds I see.
>>2900440Notably he's never in all these threads been able to actually cite an example of you supporting Platner, just aggressively asserting that is the case and throwing around insults and death threats rather than arguments. Maybe it's part of his "Zerzetsung" against you, what with you being a "dangerous fascist" and all. Or maybe he genuinely believes it because he's unhinged. He's got this whole narrative about you that's full of half truths and blatant lies
How do I say "I surrender, long live canada!"? Want to be ready when I see Canadian tanks rolling down the street.
>>2900443>Canadian tanksWe have a grand total of like 80 lmao. Even if we all scalp dozens of Yankee devils you guys are gonna have to do a Carnation Revolution type deal down there.
>>2900443Canadian forces won't make it past detroit
>>2900446
Aren't you still banned until you bring back physical proof you have either destroyed that factory or killed CPUSAnon?
>>2900446
>and then do nothing with your training
Not true! I ate a lot of pie in the army, thus depriving the imperial core of resources. Sabotage you understand.
If the left DSA splits and creates a mass party will I have to dye my hair blue and fill out an apology form
>>2900452Well, if 21st century socialism goes through the same stages of development that 19th and 20th century socialism did, we can expect whatever the "real movement" looks like in America (however you want to picture that) it will most certainly include a lot of former DSA people. If people are going to go from being liberals to being communists its hard to imagine that they could do this without being social democrats at some point in between.
>>2900279i've never bothered arguing about it here because the people here are morons but this dude is correct
price is set by supply and demand and supply is objectively determined by exchange value and (end-user) demand is subjective
>>2900436>The Maduro government was corrupt and weak. Critikkkal support and yadda yadda but let's all be honest with ourselves here.IKR It's shameful how even anons here were hand wringing about PSUV allegedly playing unfair in an already completely rigged "liberal democracy" by US interference anyway. Or "political prisoners", similar to Cuba's, who are useless because the USA does not care to do hostage diplomacy when they can just TAKE YOUR SHIT. PSUV should have done the police state they were accused of, and paid the price for, and liquidated the opposition.
PSUV did exactly what they intended to do, however, they outlasted the US takeover and became legitimized by the new imperialist owner as the controlled opposition.
And it only took what? 40% of the population? Widespread misery for the workers? Fair price that Socdems are willing to pay, with everyone else's lives. Because hey, now they can play with the good ruleset. Now they can pretend every minor staged concession is a hard won battle they struggled for. Rather than paid for, with a decade of class collaboration and the world's largest oil reserves.
When the pedophile Epstein jannies is banning within the minute, we may feint and retreat. If the janny is away, we may harass. When the janny goes to sleep, we may attack.
>>2900436>The Maduro government was corrupt and weakAs compared to what? Even if I were to concede this, which I don't, what matters is that Venezuale is nothing like the US in terms of being "a regime of corruption that depends on oppressing people". Whatever faults venezuala might have, the US is worse in every aspect, by an unimaginable degree
>Critikkkal support and yadda yaddaLikening victim of imperialism to the imperialists is the opposite of critical support
>but let's all be honest with ourselves hereYou can be honest with yourself about Venezuela without being a chauvinist
>>2900400The Chagos connection admittedly we're not 100% sure on, but there's a helluvah lot of overlap in typing and argument styles with all three personas, and we know Chagos has connections with Leftychan staff, who are the ones behind the wrongschizo and jucheschizo personas. Same with the Iraqi leftcom poster who constantly shits up threads, another persona. It's quite possible Felix is connected with this too, if not another persona himself.
Basically nearly all the disruptive schizo activity here is basically just Watermelon having a protracted crashout
>>2900460 (me)
The socdems are finally where they want to be, thanks to US domination of Venezuelan affairs: Now they answer only to the bourgeoisie, most prestigious of places and safest too!
why the rightward lurch from US socdems? were they always like this or do they think it'll spare them from the nspm-7 crackdowns?
>>2900464Chagos always felt like just a regular guy, mostly trolling to me. Juche and wrong seem much more robotic
Aint no way Iraqi leftcom is also in the mix here lmfao, are these all different people larping then or what? Why not just post on the site if they're such active users? It seems a bit conspiratorial, but the mods probably got more insight than I do so idk
>>2900478>I don't like AmeriKKKan imperialism either but Cmon bro, you know that's never a good but
>>2900480You know it kinda undercuts your image as some badass revolutionary who's going to liquidate 99% of the population of America for being fascist when you openly admit to being so terrified of dogs you have to hype yourself up for months and months before getting the courage to shoot its owner. Also it's kinda funny that your evidence for CPUSAnon being one of the most dangerous fascists in our time is…that he posts on a niche leftist website while you keep getting banned for making death threats. Fascism just isn't what it used to be I guess
>>2900484>>2900464Yeah I'd like to issue a correction real quick here, the Iraqi in question who's one of the personas of this network is not the Leftcom poster but some other faggot.
>>2900487
And this is like your hobby or what?
I feel like I made a big mistake for trying to make any kind of life here, because now it's just more difficult to walk away from everything. Now I'm just repeating the mistakes of my parents, trying to be happy here instead of doing the right thing and emigrating, because all it did for them was shift the burden onto me. It's hard to see that as anything but wrong.
>>2900494
So CPUSAnon is the only catholic in existence? That's quite odd, I could have sworn Portland had plenty. Surely your local bishop has a little more influence than a grocery store clerk. I mean if your criteria for someone being a "dangerous fascist" is just being Catholic (I know for you anybody with any religion whatsoever is a reactionary that should be gunned down, but for the sake of argument let's just stick to Catholicism) then logically you'd be going after the clergy.
Of course, this would all require you to be an actual communist and not just a guy purposefully wasting everyone's time so…
>>2900500Dude, stop engaging with this asshole. Y'all giving him the validation he craves so much.
>>2900501Okay MOM I'll put my toys away
Tor node off, y'all cant behave
>>2900286>Lmao shut up bruh arguing online has always been a waste of time and energy. Lenin also realized this when receiving trotskys nonsense in the mailLenin literally wrote an entire book about why Kautsky was wrong. As for the "silly letter" from Trotsky that was from a time when Lenin still needed Trotsky because Trotsky was literally ad the head of the red army.
How's it hanging everyone?
>>2900520Your jilted lover was just here, apparently he's been delayed on killing you because he's terrified of your dog. Kind of a sad state of affairs.
In other news, apparently Trump is so mad over not being able to slap his name on the Kennedy Center that the committee he assembled for that purpose is threatening to demolish it entirely unless his name gets put back on it.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-threatens-kennedy-center/The exact wording of it is that unless they're given the ability to slap Trump's name on there, they will have "no choice" but to withhold any funding for repairs and possibly be "forced" to demolish it because it's "unsafe". We have a toddler for a president and frankly it's great
>>2900523>demolish the Kennedy centerIf Trump were a fictional character for "evil President" people would claim he's too unrealistic.
Also I've said it several times now, but Felix wont do shit.
honkoid status?
>>2900535Jolene is a banger but I honestly don't know any other Dolly Parton songs lol
>>2900541oh wait she did 9 to 5 as well, duh. I thought that was someone else
>>2900523CPUSAnon x Felix doujin when?
>>2900552>>2900541Coat of Many Colors is a certified proletarian anthem.
>>2900535i'm genuinely surprised considering how progressive she was. i figured republicans would want to bury her to avoid discourse around her political views.
>>2899386Fuck markey!
Fuck moulton!
Where’s there Mamdani?
>>2900535Rip going to rub one out in her memory
>>2900600Only narcissists and sociopaths get into politics and yes, this includes left wing politicians too
>>2899856no ur mum is
rude owo.
>>2900600her cockroach story is even stranger
>>2900656girls are so cute i wish they would talk to me
>>2900672the US left is a wasteland of dogshit glowie parties so that proletarian revolution becomes hopeless and everyone gets funneled back into the demon-kkkraps
>>2900672liberals desperate to equate anti-imperialism with being sexist
>>2900672watched the first 5 minutes of this and now I kinda wanna join the PSL just to spite this chick
>>2900678this
>>2900708It's nothing less than treason that this treat is delivered to Red China and not to the American Patriots who risked their lives for it
>>2900455>deal or no dealIran is a bitch every second the east-west pipeline stands functional and UAE/Bahrain/Qatar continue to have an economy.
It would take Iran a fraction of a fraction of the effort they put into the 12-say-charade lobbing missises across the whole of ME, with NATO infrastructure intact, across thousands of km of missile defense, towards Israel. A thing they did for absolutely no gain, with this war as proof.
Iran is acting rationally though, towards preserving global capitalism past US hegemony and securing their place in it, besides China. So despite picrel bravado, most likely fake news anyway, Iran will either settle for some dogshit deal. Or languish for years without establishing deterrence as China's own Ukraine in the ME.
>>2900656if it gets uploaded, it's staged
>>2900708The Chinese lack the complicated pallete to even appreciate it!
>>2899664I think attacking the North is part of the plan. Seems like Civil War 2 is already happening.
>>2900061>>2900227https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_ActsPeople get weird about this. IMO the deciding factor should be the nature of the land question and whether the invading working class has a reasonable chance at acquiring real estate and class mobility. IMO we can see a few major pivots in the nature of land during the evolution of the USA, starting with the American revolution, the American civil war, the great depression and debt seizing of farms, the post-war suburban housing boom and finally nearing today the gradual closing off of housing from the younger generations.
So we see that there isn't a decisive single moment when the nature of the land question in the USA changed but that it was always in flux. There isn't a single moment when the USA changed from a real estate Ponzi scheme to a slightly more sophisticated real estate Ponzi scheme.
>>2900464>Watermelonhe has been afk for years. atp the only active og leftychan mod is zero
>>2900772
This is probably the smart moment for China to really invest in a western proxy
>>2900293smith anon cant read award
>The footnotes add that Marx himself only wrote the preamble, and this was the source of conflict against the French Communists, of who he remarked against, famously saying "I am not a Marxist".from the text
<while the other two parts of minimum political and economic demands were formulated by Marx and Guesde, with assistance from Engels and Paul LafargueMarx literally wanted to include the minimum demands, and the demands on page show his influence, how tf do you then conclude he had never a programm? We can also guess that he was fine with the maximum programm as well. Do you think Marx needs to add a little comment to every sentence to show he approves of it or does he need to write it himself?
they just agreed to partition alberta
this is huge
>>2900776>how tf do you then conclude he had never a programm? Marx never wrote how Capitalism becomes Communism.
Marx never wrote what workers should be doing.
Marx never wrote what a revolution would entail.
It's all of this which is the crux of the matter, and it leads to internal strife in the Communist movement. We hear from Marxists that reformism is counter-revolutionary and a violent overthrow of the system is needed, yet Marx appears to be a reformist. Engels writes that Marx wanted a "peaceful" and "legal" revolution, or transfer of powers. We read from Marx that universal suffrage will be the platform of revolutionary struggle, implying Marx's justification of parliamentarianism. Engels even gives up on workers in the end, stating that it will be the unemployed who effect revolution. This muddling departs from the stated plans of Utopian Socialists like Robert Owen, who had clearly thought of practical ends, while Marx is a theoretical thinker, not a practical one. This is what is understood. We can say that capitalism is bad, but now what? That is Guttfeld's point. This is also why most Marxists become Leninists or Maoists afterwards, since the Party platform offers a way out.
>how does a settler-imperialist nation transform itself into a decolonized socialist commonwealth
better question: why the hell should it? why would it want to do that? why would an emperor want to become a middle manager?
>>2900726dolly parton is the american sun yat sen
>>2900782>Marx never wrote how Capitalism becomes Communism. Marx never wrote what workers should be doing. Marx never wrote what a revolution would entail.smith anon can quote but cant read award
>It's all of this which is the crux of the matter, and it leads to internal strife in the Communist movement. We hear from Marxists that reformism is counter-revolutionary and a violent overthrow of the system is needed, yet Marx appears to be a reformist.smartest quuoooter, where tf say "marxists" reformism is literally "counter-revolutionary", not even the marxists marx criticized argued this you fucking buffoon, their whole argument was that the minimum demand gave in to bourgeois demands, tainting the maximum program, not that its "counter-revolutionary"
>Engels writes that Marx wanted a "peaceful" and "legal" revolution, or transfer of powers. We read from Marx that universal suffrage will be the platform of revolutionary struggle, implying Marx's justification of parliamentarianism.<implyingas a means, similarly how he saw the minimum program as a means, not as an end. The problem with quoting Marx and Engels constantly out of context is that by doing so you lose that crucial context. Sure, you can find a quote of Marx saying he supports "free trade" but then you lose the *why*, especially at a time protectionism was still a favored policy by many.
>Engels even gives up on workers in the end, stating that it will be the unemployed who effect revolution. This muddling departs from the stated plans of Utopian Socialists like Robert Owen, who had clearly thought of practical ends, while Marx is a theoretical thinker, not a practical one. This is what is understood. We can say that capitalism is bad, but now what? That is Guttfeld's point. This is also why most Marxists become Leninists or Maoiststhis is such bad faith I cant… do you think Marx point was to establish a religious dogma that should be followed by workers around the world regardless of their circumstances?
>>2900785>where tf say "marxists" reformism is literally "counter-revolutionary"Most Marxists on this board will see reformism this way. That's why "revolution" is opposed to "reform" in a dichotomy between peaceful transfers of power and violent transfers of power. Marx in one place writes that revolutions are not made by laws, and in another, promotes legal reforms. The very term "revolution" is polluted, since it equally refers to a change in the means of production as its mode, and so is imprecise. What is revolution? It is only Proudhon who satisfies this question, as far as I have compreheded it, since it is also etymological.
>as a means, similarly how he saw the minimum program as a means, not as an end.Right, so it is viewed incrimentally, and not absolutely, which confounds the contemporary Marxist who sees "Social Fascism" around every corner. Marx was more Proudhonist than people imagine.
>I can'tEvidently.
>do you think Marx point was to establish a religious dogmaHe already has, whether it was his intention or not. And this is still evading the object of discussion, which is that Marx never offered a positive platform for what Communism would be like and how it would be achieved. The lack of a Marxist ethics therefore makes it unintelligible. The descriptive basis of analysis cannot be prescriptive.
>>2900789>>2900788In a rush, with sweaty fingers and having ten tabs for marxists.org open, Smith accidentally posts twice—a move that, according to some experts, amounts to a capitulation.
>>2900790Capitulation to what?
The discussion begins with this post:
>>2900087<Karl Marx spent his life writing about why markets are evil but almost zilch about what to do once you've destroyed it.I affirm this sentiment:
>>2900196<Yes - Marx was a critic, and never gave a program of construction, unlike such experimental figures as Owen and WarrenYou respond:
>>2900201<Marx wrote programsWhich is not disputed, but qualified by its lack of relevance, which is why I then clarify that Marx nowhere gives a practical platform as to why and how Capitalism becomes Communism, or even what a Communist society would look like. You don't even really disagree, but just continue that Marx was a strategist - but for what? I leave it open-ended. We are not really disagreeing on the primary point, which is that Marx was a critic and a theorist, not a political architect. He had no real answer to the call, "what is to be done?" Lenin did.
>>2900794You are talking in loops and not even tagging the right posts, have you lost it?
>>2900796Whoops. I'm not sure what happened there.
Regardless, its clear from your current tone that the discussion is over, and that we have recognised each other's agreement. So mote it be.
>>2900797
>random person dying on the other side of the world gets no coverage compared to local celebrities
No way, crying and shitting my pants as we speak
>>2900799>>2900794>Which is not disputed, but qualified by its lack of relevance, which is why I then clarify that Marx nowhere gives a practical platform as to why and how Capitalism becomes Communism, or even what a Communist society would look like. You don't even really disagree, but just continue that Marx was a strategist - but for what? I leave it open-ended. We are not really disagreeing on the primary point, which is that Marx was a critic and a theorist, not a political architect. He had no real answer to the call, "what is to be done?" Lenin did.I accept your capitulation. You essentially want Marx to have a book that goes into crucial detail, step by step, of how and why communism is gonna happen, filled with *eternal principles*, disregarding national boundaries and material conditions, ergo you are finding a "flaw" in Marx that was never a flaw in the first place. His entire point was that the workers movements, even if they make mistakes, has to find its own way to the dotp, his example at time was the paris commune. Mentioning Lenin is hilarious because he did exactly what Marx advocated for. He took the general advice that Marx had developed, for example, in "Critique of the Gotha Programme" and "The Civil War in France," and adapted it to the circumstances and national conditions specific to that time. Its literally this reason why Marx, despite your claim, is still relevant while Lassalle is not.
>>2900812>CapitulatonTo what? There is no disagreement.
>You essentially want Marx to have a book that goes into crucial detail, step by step, of how and why communism is gonna happenThat's what everybody wants. It's what Engels attempted.
But anyway, I see that we are still not disagreeing, so I suppose there is nothing more to say - unless you wish to keep farming my attention?
>>2900037>boy do I love being a normal human interacting in human ways!meh.
it's ok, as long they are true, not only with their words, but also in their decisions.
you can be all the folksy you want, but does the folk want to kill hundreds of children and women in Gaza?
that's the problem.
>>2900329>>2900334>>2900219>>2900228ready to ride the us fall all the way down to the bottom?
>>2900245he speaks French and I am time traveler. I'm from year 5034.
>>2900516>As for the "silly letter" from Trotsky that was from a time when Lenin still needed Trotsky because Trotsky was literally ad the head of the red army.why are you lying? it was written on January 22, 1917 when trotsky was in New York City and long before he was a bolshevik. pseuds dont need to be argued with all the time, simple dismissals are sometimes enough
>P.S. Trotsky has sent in a silly letter. We shall neither print it nor reply to him.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/jan/22ia.htm >>2900855whoops. My mistake. Anyway.
>Lenin literally wrote an entire book about why Kautsky was wrong.this part is still true
>>2900618I've been saying Trump's true calling is being a judge on RuPaul's Dragrace
>>2900892>gulf of America>strait of America >lake AmericaJust rename the earth America at this point
>>2900901permanent revolution achieved, nationalism officially over. we are all american now
>>2900902Gonna pour myself a glass of America over ice
>>2900672>abusive practices of the PSL.
>he develops a sense of community with his party and a greater sense of purpose in his life that he didn't even know he needed. [snorts] The work is hard, sometimes tedious, and far beyond his comfort zone. But with the support of his comrades, he sees his labor for its revolutionary worth and blossoms. Finally, as a fully inducted member, he wakes up and sees a PSL member in the mirror and he smiles.>Abby finds the PSL on a hot summer's day in 2024. During her recruitment, she finds herself confused with the literature that the PSL has her read and their almost army-like discipline, but they seem like kind and principled folks, and she nods along to the rhythm. By the middle of her candidacy, however, faking it till she makes it stops being a viable option. She hates door knocking, but could only avoid it for so long. She's sick of feeling like she's back at work when she's planning fundraisers, and she's tired of managing her case load of recruits. It takes a while to muster the courage, but she's leaving the PSL before she could be inducted as a member. Still valuing the PSL's work, but concluding, "It's not for me.">I was ignored, manipulated, and betrayed, and then slandered, and treated cruelly after I spoke out. It was honestly harrowing. I'm still healing from it. >The way me and my friends were treated during that district internal was just insulting and ultimately the main reason I decided to leave the party. I don't know how you expect me to stay if you're going to victim blame my grieving friends and then get upset at me for daring to defend them. >I was afraid because I knew they would say no because the structure would encourage too much democracy and they would lose their stronghood of power. I realized they knew about certain secrets of mine from years past and would weaponize these secrets against me in smearing me to former comrades to discredit my intellect and commitment to socialismThese are complete nothingburgers?? Why are they trying to farm drama out of this? I can't stand this shit man
>>2900902every single human on planet earth is an undocumented american already
>>2900027Cocksucker needs to keep HPLs name out of his mouth
>>2900384What is the difference between leftychan and leftypol?
>>2900892Lake Americans Can Gargle My Salty Canuck Balls.
>>2900912Leftypol gets a bit more activity from what I've seen. Also leftychan seems to dislike leftypol more than the other way around. All from my perspective anyways. Also leftychan is more incel friendly not that I'm against that but they do have r9k.
>>2900917Between Tim Curry and Dolly Parton the wrong 80 year olds keep fucking dying
>>2900919They're also both drag icons
It's only fitting that the guy who played The Grand Wizard in that Halloween special would be given the honor of calling the fourth ghost buster the n-word.
https://youtu.be/nLAgXJCeOcQ>>2900935Has anyone ever read that book? Does he give solid advice?
>>2900935this country actually needs to be purged of like 30-60 million people
>>2900943Oh yeah, and that Dimitri guy? Friend to a child sex tourist and more-or-less confirmed groomer himself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY3zQnf42sY >>2900927>>2900941 (me)
giving it a second thought, swool is merely angry at rethuglicans at the congress.
>>2900948isn't the gulf of saint lawrence blockaded? sounds pretty bad
>>2900961Americans learn to use a bidet challenge (impossible)
>>2900963they never really learned how to use toilet paper either
>>2900907the truth nuke wallbuilders cannot handle
>>2900972I don’t get what you’re supposed to do here, pour the liquid over your ass and taint into the toilet like a cup of tea?
>>2900975it's more effective than you'd think. i stopped using toilet paper and just hop in the shower for 5 seconds and it feels so much cleaner.
>>2900972I don't have a bidet but I use one of these things to clean my ass after I take a shit (I only wipe to dry off, so I use way less toilet paper)
>>2900975yes
>>2900976>>2900978If you have running water it makes as much sense to just hop in the shower after every shit, it works just as well
>>2900976>>2900980yeah I got running water. I just fill the bottle up in the tub instead of stripping but ass naked and needing a towel to dry off afterwards. I live with other people so this makes sense.
how often do you shit? you're supposed to shit about twice a day. Do you really have time to get your whole ass legs and feet wet with poop water each time you take a shit? just get a bidet already or at least squirt your ass with a water bottle with a hole poked in the cap with a kitchen knife or something
>>2900972if you don't want to get poop water on your balls you gotta kinda perch your nuts on the toilet seat when you use these (speaking from XP)
Why do we have to poop? It's so disgusting and demeaning. Also very time consuming. Also labor intensive in a way.
>>2900975>you’re supposed to do here, pour the liquid over your ass and taint into the toilet like a cup of tea?yes, with soap, usually, for poop. women after pissing? just water. they rinsed the soap, of course.
>>2900987If you think about it poop is just like surplus value
>>2900987Excretion is the removal of toxic waste which has been digested from food and drink. Without it, we would absorb toxins and die of disease. This is why all organisms have a function of excretion. It serves an ecological purpose also, particularly for fertilisation and insects, so the waste is entered back into the system. Waste is then necessary.
we must abolish poop
>>2900987instagram models in dubai gotta eat what do you want them to starve??
>>2900987>>2900990my sides. LMAO
this has to be one of the best /USAPOL/ threads in 2026.
>>2900997the mart sharter general is finally rebelling against the sharting but not the marting
>>2900998
we are his shit
ive had constant hemorrhoids since i was a teenager pooping is the bane of my existence
>>2901002I would say drink more water and eat more fiber but the problem with that is you should have done that from the beginning. Since you didn't, starting now will just result in you having to pass soft stools over hemmorhoids, which you will have trouble getting used to. You may also have small pockets in your intestines and colon where poop gets trapped, and potentially infected
>>2901005i say this and look like this
>>2901015Yeah let’s keep every 90 year old in jobs so no young person can possibly get in or get a promotion good fucking idea
>>2901017my current career path is being my parents' large adult son until they die and i can finally enter the workforce in my 40's.
>>2900896That's unfair to JJ, he was actually pretty woke and progressive on just about every issue that didn't involve Spiderman
Interesting article:
https://unherd.com/2026/08/how-miami-third-wordism-swallowed-maga/<How Miami Third Worldism swallowed MAGASome excerpts:
>It remains a mystery why an administration that styles itself “America First” has prevented third countries from selling food and oil to Havana, exacerbating an ongoing humanitarian crisis. Most Cubans now survive on fewer than two hours a day of electricity, with hospitals struggling to supply patients on life support. The reason, in short, is that Team Trump’s policy toward Cuba now is almost exclusively driven by ideology, rather than rational statecraft.
>Yet that term is, ironically, the vague omni-menace conjured by Trump administration hawks to justify their approach to Cuba, among other places. Last month, the State Department unveiled a 100-page report titled Cuba: The Capital of 21st-Century Communism. A seminal piece of MAGA propaganda, the document argues — laughably — that Cuba represents an existential risk to Americans through its sponsorship of “Third Worldism”: an anti-Western animus, replacing traditional Marxism, that supposedly unites resentful foreign hordes the world over.
>Of course, in Miami, English is a second language. Stumble upon the odd heartland tourist in Miami Beach — like my Appalachian in-laws — and you’ll witness MAGA horror at the sight of hedonistic spring breakers mingling with “too many Latins,” many of whom don’t appear to speak English. Indeed, they don’t. Roughly 75% of residents of Miami-Dade County speak Spanish, with 25% lacking English proficiency. Yet the irony is that many of Miami’s Latin invaders are among the most fervent “anti-communist” supporters of President Trump.
>Enter the household of your typical MAGA Miamian for “cafecito,” and you’re likely to view an angry YouTube stream from city native Alexander Otaola. A testament to GOP inclusion, the flamboyantly gay Otaola is an archetypal Miami neocon. Much like Fidel Castro, the bearded pundit diatribes extemporaneously for three hours every weekday, railing against the perceived enemies of US-sponsored “freedom and democracy.” With an audience of around 1 million, his show, ¡Hola Otaola!, is interladen with infomercials for Miami-based plastic surgeons, gold chains, and “anti-communist realtors.”
>By definition, <Miami neoconservatism is an evangelical, imperial ideology incompatible with the concept of national sovereignty. >At every turn, Miami neocons, Rubio most notably, have found ways of integrating otherwise distinct foreign-policy objectives. Whether it’s fusing regime change in Cuba and Venezuela with the Iran war and the war on drugs, the view from South Florida hawks is that any and all evils trace back to a sinister, interconnected axis stretching from Beijing to Tehran to Moscow to Havana. “Third Worldism” is just the latest spin on this omnicause — one which conveniently centers Cuba and Iran.
>Unsurprisingly, the Miami trio of lawmakers Carlos Gimenez, Maria Elvira Salazar, and Mario Diaz-Balart are the most consistently hawkish on everything from fomenting proxy wars against Russia in Ukraine, Syria, and West Africa to putting boots on the ground in Iran, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and, of course, Cuba. Within the trio, the most emblematic is Diaz-Balart, whose roots trace back to the highest echelons of the pre-Castro dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista.
>The irony is that Diaz-Balart’s father was a youth supporter of Batista going back to the dictator’s populist — and Communist-supported — first term in the 1940s. Batista featured members of the Marxist Popular Socialist Party in his cabinet until 1944 and maintained tacit support from the party until 1958. Indeed, the fact that opposition to Batista was both overwhelming and ideologically diverse contributed to the CIA’s pre-1960 determination that Fidel Castro wasn’t a communist; a further irony is that Diaz-Balart’s paternal aunt, Mirta, married Castro.
>Naturally, all of this is glossed over by Diaz-Balart and other Miami neocons, who romanticize a pre-Marxist utopia on the island and ignore the legitimate grievances that led to the 1959 revolution in the first place. (In the same way, deluded progressives like DSA co-chair Ashik Saddique gloss over those who aided the revolution but nonetheless were jailed or executed for opposing Castro.)
>Last month, tens of thousands of Moroccan migrants swarmed Ceuta, a city on the North African Coast which Spain has controlled since the 15th century. One could be forgiven for assuming that the Spanish-descended Diaz-Balart would be an avid defender of Spanish Christendom over the invading Muslim hordes. Quite the contrary: the Miami neocon has called for Moroccan annexation of Ceuta and its sister enclave, Melilla, arguing that the pair “are not in the geographic territory of Spain.”
>Wait — what happened to anti-Third Worldist zeal here? Shouldn’t an opponent of Third Worldism defend Christian Spain’s honor?
>Nope. Contrived as they may seem, the congressman’s words ultimately follow a neoconservative logic centered on Cuba. The Spanish government under Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has been harshly critical of Israel and of America’s conduct in Iran; the Islamic Republic is, of course, a staunch ally of Havana. In contrast, Morocco has taken pains to ally itself with Trump and Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu — a fact which presumably validates the country’s decolonial grievances against Spain. This, even as Diaz-Balart condemns other forms of decoloniality as Third Worldism.Closing paragraph:
>Until Miami neocons assimilate into the American polity by renouncing their faith in regime-change wars — and learning English — they will inevitably entangle the rest of us in the petty grievances of America’s Magic City.>>2901040
>>2901043
can you bucko leave the VPNs alone? I have tried like 3 different VPNs and all of them have so many IPs registered as VPN spam because of you, I can't find one that I can use for my personal things AND posting in lpol?
fucking scat/gore /pol/spammer
>>2901067It's actual GOG rule (Gusano Occupied Government)
>>2901070it's a liberal critique of the florida gusanism.
I chose deliberately to upload this part:
>Naturally, all of this is glossed over by Diaz-Balart and other Miami neocons, who romanticize a pre-Marxist utopia on the island and ignore the legitimate grievances that led to the 1959 revolution in the first place. (In the same way, deluded progressives like DSA co-chair Ashik Saddique gloss over those who aided the revolution but nonetheless were jailed or executed for opposing Castro.)Because the critique is anti-communist in nature.
Many of the people that were arrested/executed were either planning to let Cuba be a whore house for the rich of the US regimes like it was before the fall of batista or later on it was later discovered that they were sabotaging the revolution with its military campaign.
A good critique from the liberalbensraum in the US, but needs some finessing to address the anti-communist rhetoric.
>>2900906I think PMCs who like to think they are as progressive as anyone get very threatened by the PSL and they struggle to process why. Everyone knows on some level that the if the DSA gets national power anytime soon they will almost certainly compromise on imperialism to some degree. To take on imperialism means to take the US economy and start over from scratch, and significant factions in the org will quail at that. So therefore, the PMC consumption lifestyle is not threatened by the DSA right now. If anything, the DSA will improve it and make things better for the poor so there's less guilt for PMCs.
As long as the DSA is the only practical option PMCs don't have to confront this for what it is. If a group like the PSL that centers anti-imperialism gets prominence it's now a choice being made on what "supporting socialism" means and the unconscious gets forced into the conscious and it enrages PMCs. They feel the contrast between how they see themselves and how their politics is limited by a reactionary hierarchical class position based on exploitation. They can't just feel like they did all they could and rationalize how it turned out unless the DSA exists in a vacuum of any other major socialist tendencies. So the PSL will get attacked by more conservative socialists because they want the definition of socialism to be an essentially middle class project, and they will find any way they can to stigmatize it and they are doing that in a typical PMC "progressive" way with bodies and spaces language.
>>2900672>30 second of watching the video>'mass exodus of PSL members'>no sources to back the claim upskip.
DSA win democratic primary runoff for senate in reddest state in the union
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/nkiyla-jasmine-thomas-wins-oklahoma-senate-primary-democrat-rcna593618She's as far right as you can be in the DSA, but it's still something
>>2900849Based
>Philan-Tam-Duy Le, 35, of Julian, California, was arrested for carrying a dangerous weapon, police said in a news release. Give me a break.
>Trump to declare Palestine Action a global terror group.
>>2900464>the Iraqi leftcomNo such thing can exist, btw.
>>2901109>She's as far right as you can be in the DSA, but it's still somethingand that something is social fascism
>>2900906Because PSL is the only competent burger commie party, so they need to wreck it.
>>2901125many people are saying this
>>2901109>DSA win democratic primary runoff for senate in reddest state in the unionShe's Chickasaw too. She's going to get destroyed by 30+ points but it's kind of interesting in that the old guard Dems in Oklahoma basically don't exist anymore, while Oklahoma City and Tulsa have grown in population and there are more urban progressives there now, which is where all the votes in any Dem primary are.
>>2901126>Because PSL is the only competent burger commie party, so they need to wreck it.Not watching the video but I had a better impression of the FRSO when actually seeing them and talking to them compared to the local PSL types. The PSL would pop up wearing matching t-shirts and it always felt like there was some "distance" while the FRSO people could mesh better with whatever they were mixed up in and just seemed more like real people. It's hard to explain.
>>2900916Real funny reading through all the threads on that
>>2901175red state mutt extermination camps when
>>2901183when even joe sims has dickrider fatigue is how you know things have gone too far
>>2901175America is a cuck nation so long as he continues breathing.
>>2901175I mean that's fucking nuts but considering nothing happened to him after he posted that AI shit depicting himself as Jesus I doubt anybody will remember this after a day
Military is hilariously turbo fucked
For the first time in decades the EAI lied about diesel inventories. It took two hours for them to retract the notes, but the media outlets uncritically bounced the first release.
And they had to retract the note because the table data that was posted AFTER the press release note, where the data is summarized, contradicted the press release note.
The data they published was contradictory to their own table, so for two hours, all headlines in the world were:
>"Middle distillate fuel inventories increased by 2.2 million barrels last week…"
Middle Distillate inventories include
>jet fuel
>diesel
>Home heating oil.
but why? Mystery.
>>2901175What happened to that retard that kept saying Amerikkka will be entering the year of lead? Amerikkkans are the most pathetic cucks in the imperial core. Every single one of them is a fascist mongrel
>>2901342>Is it bad that I just don't feel sympathy for the cop?Yea no shit. Fucker should be strung up without a word. Not just him, but the lot of them. The woman who lied and said the baby had been stabbed, the man who gave him the speech of self-justification, and so on.
A bullet would be too slow.
>>2901356>The empire is collapsing >therefore nothing has happened or will happen Thirddie worlddies are sad
>>2901468why does Fox News think David duke is bad?
>>2901475Clinton's side of the KKK
>>2901471They’re really just closeted cowards mad that other people didn’t do an insurrection for them.
>>2901482What kind of interactions do have with working class people in conservative strongholds? What do you find their attitudes are like?
>>2901482To what end?
To me it looks like recreating FNB, so i'll offer the same critique; What does this do to build political power? What makes you think you can ever compete with the churches and charities and so on who have funds earmarked just for feeding the homeless and for food banks?
At least you cooked some real cooked food, that's good.
>>2901475David Duke is anti-Israel. Plus he supported Jill Stein in the last election and also seems to have had friendly relations with the Islamic Republic. Those things negate his white nationalism.
>>2900384Wrongschizo was based, thobeit. He's like King Lear you smile every time you see his posts. Jucheschizo was just annoying as fuck. Chagos poster was pretty neutral he just shilled his magazine or something.
>>2901400>It’s not like the The New Yorker is anti-DSADropped.
The New Yorker is a liberal rag.
The fact they’ll find it in them to have pointed questions for anyone left of center but cheerlead stupid lib ideas like “abundance” tells you all you need to know.
>>2901542When you're cleaning up posts full of gore and feces I assure you that your opinion on Wrongschizo will sour
>>2901518>Those things negate his white nationalism.What the fuck are you talking about? Those things don’t negate his white nationalism, merely just make his brand of white nationalism less desirable to them.
>>2901570
>>2901575
>I insult white supremacists by insulting mixed race people, here is why that is based and communist
imageboard brain award
>>2901577that's basically what anon meant, he just used less words to say it
>>2901580>that's basically what anon meant, he just used less words to say itThat is not what fucking negate means.
>>2899553>“It matters not if they’re Republican or Democrat, pro-Israel or pro-Palestine.that matters tho
>None of it matters to me,” he said, arguing that ordinary Americans should also share responsibility for the actions of leaders elected in their name.that would require we actually be something other than a capitalist oligarchy. however this is what I keep saying. How can a minority of plutocrats taxing me to plunder the world, enrich themselves, while destroying the country and planning to flee to bunkers in new zealand… how can that "represent" or "benefit" me? I keep asking this and nobody has an answer. Neither american defenders of the bipartisan regime nor anti-amerikkkan posters. These people do not represent no matter how much they say they do. They are destroying the planet that we all live on and people for all "three worlds" must destroy them NOW!!! NOW! NOW! NOW! stop wasting time!
>>2899996holy shit where did you get this pic of me anon?
>>2901582it's obvious from tone and context
>>2901581
>be normie
>walk up to white supemacist and "communist" arguing
>it's just an exchange of slurs
>wow both these people are retarded
>walk away
>"as you can see I am of superior intellect for knowing what triggers the wignat"
>>2901482prediction: you will be insulted for touching grass by people who draw "amerimutts" all day
It's just the FARC guy from the Ukraine thread attempting to derail, remember to report trolls and move on
woman is gamer of the world
>>2901241I refuse to lend lolberts any credibility and continue to question where the fuck they were when people were exercising their personal “liberty” to install ring door bell cameras on their front doors.
>>2901482Since when are you in the dSSa Erik? Why not join an actual party instead of a democrat support group?
Kinda hampers your edgy radical vibe ngl
>>2901075Thank you for the response anon, I broadly agree. Though i would say it's not a question of will the DSA compromise, it's already compromised from the getgo.
>>2901126It's certainly more promising than pretty much any other party
>>2901621>most promising party>not a single election winretard
>>2901623Election? wtf are you talking about?
>>2901617DSA membership isn't exclusive so a lot of leftists in smaller parties join the DSA just to network or recruit for their own group. It's kinda what makes DSA appealing in the first place.
>>2901626they've been fielding candidates for local and federal elections since 2008
>>2901482Houdini unironically contributing more of a positive net gain to the world than pretty much every maoschizo in this thread
>>2901631>Who cares?those looking to join a serious party that actually wins. like DSA
>>2901400Who is this insufferable liberal
>>2901633DSA doesn't run candidates and is neither serious nor a party lol
Besides that, measuring success of a socialist party by how many seats it can win in bourgeois elections is completely retarded
>>2901639>measuring success of a socialist party by how many seats it can win in bourgeois elections is completely retardedThe so-called serious PSL is free to stop running in them at any time
>>2901643But anon they're winning MORAL victories, and without that how could they do real socialist work like installing spyware onto members computers to make sure they dont accidentally read a non PSL socialist news source?
>>2901632is feeding fascists really a positive net gain?
like do they make any attempt to vet the people being fed to ensure they even support leftism? why do leftists love taking on the burden of the state at their own expense?
>>2901646Yeah Houdini's time would be much better spent just by gunning down as many poor Floridians as possible, they're all fascist treatlerites anyways
>>2901633Given the trappings of their present strategy I'd be reluctant to say they're winning. But I do appreciate the DSA for federating US socialists into a large single political organization. People hate on them all the time for the retarded shit it (mostly the NYC and LA chapters) gets up to but the other option is for socialists to sit in 100 member sectarian cults and protest groups. It's much better to have a group that pulls Marxists together and gives them a place to deliberate and talk to each other. My only hope is that they recognize the false realism of the social democratic elements of the party and the limitations their status as an NGO puts on them.
>>2901643You can run in them, winning in them is not a requirement in any way. This is basic stuff for socialists lol. Again DSA is not even a party and doesn't run candidates lmfao, so enough with the cope
>>2901646>everyone offline is a fascist because I am le epic internet trollEverything you say about how everyone except you should die is just a rationalization for your own pathological misanthropy and internet addiction, Felix.
You don't touch grass, you don't do jack shit except leech off other people's organizing at best, you just assume everyone sucks because they aren't as puritanical as you.
And - once again - for all your bluster for harassing and stalking a lone grocery clerk for years, you still can't even gather the spine to actually do anything after spending two years screaming about how you're going to kill a grocery clerk for allegedly being some kind of fascist - your reasoning being that it's because the person committed the unforgivable sin of disagreeing with you.
Fuck off. You are a child in an adult's body.
>>2901653>>everyone offline is a fascist because I am le epic internet trollthats not my point at all.
my point is you should build local power by organizing LEFTISTS and providing resources for LEFTISTS and organizing mutual aid for LEFTISTS.
just handing out free sandwiches means a bunch of chuds are gonna show up, get a free meal, and then go home to call you a commie faggot on /pol/ or vote MAGA anyway because less minorities = more frito boats for them. charity on its own is just a bandaid to keep capitalism going by having poor people pay to feed even poorer people so elon musk can avoid taxes for funding social programs.
>>2901646>>2901653all floridians are genetically fascist. you would understand this if you read even a little bit of theory
>>2901657>noooo don't organize the workers >noooo don't give people an actual tangible reason to take what you say in good faith>just stay in your bubble preaching to the choir foreverI repeat: touch grass or shut the fuck up
>>2901657And what exactly is your plan here? Force people to barely speak English to take some test to determine whether they're sufficiently [insert leftist ideological tendency here] to be allowed to eat?
>>2901652>winning isn't the pointthe ultimate cope. this acceptance of being losers is why they'll always be irrelevant
>>2901660since it's florida the answer is just put up a poster of fidel castro and it'll repel the gusano chuds on its own.
>>2901659you're retarded if you think people are gonna become communists just by giving them free stuff. leftists have been doing that for nearly a century and it doesn't fucking work. people become more invested in a movement when they have some tangible role in the movement and are rewarded for their contributions. ie, instead of just handing out food to the homeless how about you mobilize the homeless to burn down a datacenter(lol) and give them food for a job well done. ok but jokes aside you should require at least some kind of positive feedback from the recipients otherwise you're just draining your own extremely limited resources for musk's benefit. build a community garden and let people take food in exchange for 30 minutes of labor. mobilize them to hand out a few socialist zines after their meal. hell just have someone read marx to them while they eat to at least get the message across. churches exploit charity to have a captive audience of potential converts while houdini feeds gusanos.
>>2900384Damn they must be bored as fuck. Do they genuinely have nothing better to do???? 😭
>>2901657mutual aid is hardly revolutionary but thats not a reason to not do it
>>2901668I kinda just think it's akin to having a bucket on the titanic. It makes you feel good and like, you'll temporarily help maybe 20 people, but you're not fighting capitalism at all. Instead of not doing it at all I would suggest looking for methods to incorporate revolutionary tactics into your mutual aid so you're at least advancing some cause. Otherwise, what exactly separates what you're doing from what churches and NGO's do? Don't we hate those guys?
>>2901614Lolberts are just liberals who want to legalize CSAM[1]. They'd be huge fans of flock as long as it is done privately.
- Murray Rothbard et al.
>>2901663DSA doesnt win anything, all they do is celebrate when democrats win elections lol
>>2901400>>2901637The more I watch this the more angry I get. Bad faith JAQing off along with unsubstantiated empirical claims about the "economic failures" of proletarian control of the means of production. Total refusal to actually engage with the intellectual substance and instead fearmongering and appealing to a sense of patriotism for the bourgeoise state.
Margot Honecker was too kind on people like him.
>>2901646>like do they make any attempt to vet the people being fed to ensure they even support leftism? Bro thinks smoke causes fires.
>>2901683propaganda of the deed isn't effective either.
what part of ORGANIZING do you people not understand?
>>2901684you got mad at organizing just now
>>2901684to organize the hungry, you begin by feeding them. people with unfulfilled needs cannot focus on higher callings.
>>2901678
>hitler won a landslide victory with the support of most germans rather than getting appointed chancellor by hindenburg and staging a false flag attack to justify the enabling acts
and other bourgeois mythologies
>>2901685>>2901686what has houdini organized the hungry to do?
>>2901687Yeah but have you considered that every German didn't immediately take to the streets or commit suicide by cop, thus proving that they were willing and gleeful collaborators from day 1?
>>2899752damn… nobody cared. oh well
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>>2901696>>2900384Mkultra aint sending their best
>>2900464The lying yank cannot fathom that a man does not lie about his identity
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