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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740
https://azovlobby.substack.com/
https://banderalobby.substack.com/

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📺 • America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
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📺 • The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime
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>>2911267
>This will not happen in Ukraine since Ukraine has resisted far harder and meat-grinded themselves into making Russian advances practically unnecessary
ftfy

>>2911159
>It was Ukro porkies and nationalists who gleefully participated in privatizing state firms.
There's no such a thing as "nationalist porkie" in ukrainian politics. It's well known that their fortunes are all in Cyprus and other Europeans, where ukraine contributed roughly $166.8 billion to the global offshore industry. Take into account that it hovers near $180 to 200bn means exported wealth roughly equal to the entire annual output of the country. That's the ordoliberals shared dream of the reformed free-market laisse-fairez: a strong state using violence, fascism, to protect what the market decided: to convert ukraine into a neoliberal shithole place where the if the market decides that ukraine's wealth is in Cyprus, it'll be in Cyprus.
When Yanukovich decided not to go for the EU ascension, it was to prevent the entrenchment of the neoliberal state, because the IMF wanted to implement an austerity program:
>household gas tariff liberalisation above all (no gas subsidies on domestic gas)
>pension reform
>devaluation
>The DCFTA would have opened those firms to European competition.
>👆With no EU standards, those Donbas steel, coal and machinery would not have had chance to compete in ukraine's own market, and would have face bankruptcy.
and worse:
With a signature of the EU acquis, the fate of ukraine would have been sealed forever. The EU project is in principle neoliberal project. The DCFTA, ukraine was required to sign, approximated Ukrainian law to the EU acquis across hundreds of regulatory areas.
If you want to argue that the EU isn't neoliberal, you'd be wrong at all fucking levels, you moron.

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>>2911265
>Step 1
You sure?

>>2911231
What is "grim"?

If your 6 steps program starts stepping on a lie, you'll end up drawing the wrong conclusions.

>>2911287
It's fun how my renewed strategy has revealed the reactionaries elements of those self-proclaimed ultras.
the one using Marxist
>"'basic Marxism' that states are not class neutral, and therefore it cannot be determined whether "private" or "state" ownership makes a state "more reactionary".
Now is self-expossed as someone who can't say if fascists and nazis are reactionaries, if he follows to the tee his own reasoning.
One who can't r>ead the whole thread and needs to put the
>eu has veryb strict demands about rule of law etc which limits porky's power
Another who puts the
>Napoleon is the founder of socialism
Despite I preemptively talked about that already….
and the funniest, the 6-step program in which is all Russian's fault. LMAO
I really thank this video and >>2905274 the person who sent it to me. This is not the only place I am using the technique and is yielding results, in my party meetings, in other social media I participate in.
And the mod who banned me on the basis of "never met a contrarian bad faith argument" must be malding. I went from the usual bickering, to actually exposing who are the reactionaries.

>>2911294
the country used to be young democracy. sure, it had problems but every young democracy does. you can watch their first (and only) free election on ap archive.
after the terror campaign of the first and second chechen wars russians set up a clan of turncoats as the region's satraps which turned the country into the worst despotism in the region no laws no nothing ̣
russia is a cancer and everything it touches it turns into an even worse cancer because that's the easiest way of enforcing control.

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>>2911265
>Step 4: Ukrainians are now taught to value their freedom and independence and culture just like any other capitalist state
<Step 4: for some reason this doesnt makes Russia really really really really really really really really mad for 13 years
<Step 4: the pro-Western faction in Ukraine takes full control in 2005
<Step 4: for some reason this doesnt makes Russia really really really really really really really really mad for 9 years
<Step 4: le Maidan Revolution happens
vidrel
<Step 4: civil war happens
>Step 5: This makes Russia really really really really really really really really mad for some reason (even though Putin and everyone else currently in the Russian government supported blowing up the USSR) and they begin covertly supplying arms to their sympathizers in the east after the pro-Western faction in Ukraine takes full control in 2014

so if russia captures ukraine it's not going to turn it into a better state, it's going to degrade it to worst possible state

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>>2911312
>young democracy
>free election
Fake and Gay
>clan of turncoats as the region's satraps which turned the country into the worst despotism in the region no laws no nothing
>easiest way of enforcing control
Based

You call this grim? What are you a liberal?
I love that shit. That's how you run an empire.

Read this. Locke sucks. Filmer is right.

>>2911312
I hate laws. Screw your laws. Now I hope Russia wins even harder.

>>2911312
>>2911315
We’re just ignoring that NATO turned the entire country into its cannon fodder against Russia, then agitated for war?

>>2911315
No, it will be a properly organized satrapy which is good. I support feudalism because communism is advanced feudalism.

>>2911327
i appreciate your frankness
if only ziggers were as honest as you this thread would've been over in two posts

>>2911329
You barely provided any cohesive argument ITT, in fact i've yet to see anything substantial from you besides
>RUSSIA BAD
If someone asks why all you do is say
>JUST CAUSE IT IS ALRIGHT I READ IT IN THE NEWS

Try again or something.

>>2911333
i recounted the story of chechnya and assumed that russian ukraine would share the same fate since since it's the very same circumstance
how is this not a cohesive argument?

>>2911336
>i recounted the story of chechnya
Why does it matter? It's fucking irrelevant what happened to chechnya and nobody gives a shit what happens to ukraine or it's population.
If Russia captures Ukraine it will hit the EU/NATO hard and that's the only important outcome. I'd even say that Russia should bomb the baltics or poland just to speed up the collapse of both.
I don't think that EU can be reformed, so anything that destabilizes the EU from the outside is fine.
What's your take on this?

>>2911312
wow, straight up state dpt invented history now. do you write for the nyt?

i can also >>2911338
>It's fucking irrelevant what happened to chechnya
very relevant to the topic of ukraine
>and nobody gives a shit what happens to ukraine or it's population.
aparently some people care (even if not you)
>What's your take on this?
i already posted why becoming isis is a terrible survival tactics for the russoidal race a couple days ago
long story short - you may not have as much to lose but it's far easier for you to lose it all

>>2911342
>very relevant to the topic of ukraine
What happens to ukrainians doesn't matter if you look at the bigger picture. The war fucks up the EU which is a good thing.
>becoming isis is a terrible survival tactics for the russoidal race
we got ourselves a race realist here.

Again my point is that it's irrelevant what happens to eastern european countries as long as it fucks up the EU.
If poles balts and ukrainians are so retarded and hopelessly brainwashed with MUH LOVELY NATION MUH CUNTRY they willing to die for their corrupt shitholes who gives a crap, it's their fault and their governemnt's fault who are willing to throw away lives needlessly.
From my perspective Russia is a useful tool to bring down the EU.

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>>2911312
>the country used to be young democracy

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>>2911329
You're welcome leftychud. Happy to help. I am not a zigger but I support big empires. I would have supported Persia against Greece back in the Ionian Revolt. I just like big empires because they are the highest form of social organization on this planet.

>>2911198
>the only person who met them was BORIS FUCKING YELTSIN in May of 1897
Who did Boris Yeltsin meet in 1897?

>>2911350
>1897
The ghost of kiev, obviously. LMAO

>>2911346
>What happens to ukrainians doesn't matter
to you.

>>2911353
I don't see ukrainians actively protesting agains zelensky or doing anything to stop him. Instead they post nazi and fascist shit on twitter/instagram and call videos of other ukrainians getting forcefully drafted "fakes" or "cherry picking".
I mean alright, they're suicidal and there's no suicide prevention hotline that could save an entire country or a "nation" i dunno.
Giving them weapons or any form of aid is not an answer either, in fact i think it's a lot more cruel than whatever Russia's doing because it only extends their pain and suffering. Let ukraine die already.

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>>2911354
first result off google
crazy goalpost btw, when's the last time you've seen russians protesting anything?

>>2911359
>last time you've seen russians protesting anything
Russians never protest because they know what's good for them. xaxaxa))))
Kill me plox.

>>2911359
They are not protesting zelya's war, btw. They are protesting because federov promised them to replace soldiers for drones, and that would kill all the orcs without giving more ukrainian blood and zelya can't deliver that.
Surely federov will.

I think draft dodging up to even fleeing the country is pretty indicative of public sentiment towards Zelensky and/or the conflict.

>>2911372
wrong protest

>>2911375
The 2025 ones? That was NABU-SAPO, literally pro and backed western-infiltrated institutions protests.
If anything, zelya was about to do the right thing for the wrong reasons.

>>2911359
>first result off google
Ok so where are the results of their protesting then? All i see on the pic is a fancy photo op. Zelensky is still in charge forced draft is still ongoing.

>>2911372
>They are protesting because federov promised them to replace soldiers for drones, and that would kill all the orcs without giving more ukrainian blood and zelya can't deliver that.
This, in that recent shootout between the SBU and the GUR it seems that public support was biased towards the latter, presumably (if I’m getting my acronyms correct) because the GUR as military intelligence predominantly plan suicide drone attacks, while the SBU as internal security probably gets associated with the ТЦК.

>>2911373
> draft dodging up to even fleeing the country
i'm sorry that i'm being an armchair revolutionary here but what they think doesn't matter if they don't act accordingly.
For every person that escapes there are hundreds who dont.
Let me do a strawman here:
>BUT THEY'RE VICTIMS, YOU'RE VICTIM BLAMING
this take would nicely fit into the official ukrainian/european propaganda about evil bad russia attacking innocent ukrainian farmers who dindo nuffin.
According to Hitler, germans were also victims, in fact this whole mindset is what feeds chuddy narratives.

My point is that these ukrainians only escape ukraine not because they necessarily disagree with where their country is heading, but because they don't wish to bear responsibility. They still post on xitter under ukrainian flags about le ziggers except they do it from Poland or Germany. Tells you all you want to know about these refugees.

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>>2911085
>Such as? Russia has never been this weak.

Also gotta add that while people on the left argue whether they should support Russia or Ukraine fucking AfD is winning elections in Germany and they openly say they are pro-Russia, want to drop sanctions and stuff.

I mean come on, these assholes don't give a shit about morals and all that crap they say whatever the fuck gives them points among the general public.

I say everyone should give up trying to convince Eastern European chuds let alone UKRAINIANS that Russia isn't their enemy - that region is pretty much lost, they're mentally cucked with right-wing propaganda and if nobody does anything the Germany will be lost then France and so on and so forth.

>>2911398
the decline of the unipolar moment and the end of the end of history is the only thing that will convince or change them. East Euros are permanently trapped in a 1990s mindset where the goal of life and the road to salvation is being admitted into the West and getting a seat at the kids table of US empire. Hating Russia is required for entry and so is a necessary prerequisite for salvation.
US economic and military dominance is fading and to a large extent with Russia, Iran and elsewhere shown to be hollow and defeatable. Part of the unipolar mindset was the idea that the US were an overwhelming military force that would crush anyone defying them like they did Iraq or Afghanistan. Now they have been shown to not be able to defeat Russia, Iran or even Yemen, and are running out of weapons and can't produce more. Their economic power couldn't defeat Russia or Iran. This is why some places like Georgia refused to buckle. Europe is broke and out of weapons. They're heading toward collapse. The US can't impose its will as much as it used to. The spell of the end of history and Western dominance and exceptionalism is breaking and that's what will ultimately change the East Euros.

>>2911387
Problem is, the GUR officials are the ones advocating for mass mobilizations.
See for instance chudanov:
>We must dare to say honestly: you cannot mobilise fewer than 30 thousand people a month. That is the minimum necessary to sustain what we have. (TWO WEEKS AGO)
One could argue he's not GUR, but ex-GUR (LOL, LMAO, EVEN)
You also have, Valentyn Manko, commander of Assault Forces, said in late 2025 that fully manning all brigades would require up to 70,000 recruits a month. Though not GUR, it's a military officer.
You have also Oleksandr Pivnenko, National Guard commander, stating that "continuous mobilization is a necessary condition for holding the front and achieving victory" and noted that 70% of National Guard personnel arrived since 2022 through moblization, against a 20 to 30% through voluntary recruitment.
Meanwhile, from the SBU you have Nalyvaichenko (Valentyn Nalyvaichenko), a guy, btw handed over the cia secret documents without "proper handling" (UA prosecution accusation, 2013 - yes under Yanukovich), in 2024 saying that washington needed to allow ukraine to use eestern weapons against targets inside Russian territory.
So I'd say there's no spat between the two about mobilizations.
The question would be, could federov plant dissidents inside the military forces?

>>2911404
> East Euros are permanently trapped in a 1990s mindset where the goal of life and the road to salvation is being admitted into the West and getting a seat at the kids table of US empire. Hating Russia is required for entry and so is a necessary prerequisite for salvation.
you're mistaking a cause for a symptom

>>2911415
enlighten us without using a victim card

>>2911450
all dislike for russia is a direct result of russian actions
and it certainly did not start in 1990s

>>2911415
>>2911450
>>2911462
libs worshipping the west and hating russia was a thing in east euro before the 90s but it was a minority thing.

>>2911462
You know it’s still a victim card just a rephrased one?

>>2911513
ironically >we dindu, east euros hate us because west is a victim card

>>2911516
Whataboutism

>>2911517
it;s not
whataboutism passes blame by bringing up unrelated issue
<you're playing victim by bringing up our actions
<you're full of aids
is an example of whataboutism
<you're playing victim by bringing up our actions
<you're playing the victim by blaming the west for you actions
isn't

>>2911049
Fair to whom? Ukranian porky wouldn't be screwed over, just the working class

>>2911534
Yeah whatever Russian tv hosts are saying is an unrelated issue.
All you’re doing is switching the topic because the problem of the Eastern European victim complex and the fact that it is actively abused by the far right is a very inconvenient topic for you.

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