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>The United States military says it is striking targets in Iran over attempted attacks on shipping as Iranian media reports explosions in Asaluyeh, Jiroft, Bandar Abbas, Qeshm Island, Konarak, Chabahar, Jask, Sirik and Lavan.<Iran’s army and IRGC promise the US will regret and face “severe punishment” for the aggression.>US President Donald Trump says “if the failed Nation of Iran retaliates for this very justified attack, they will be hit again at a much harder and higher level”.<At least two people killed in US attack on Iran’s Sirik, says deputy governor>No casualties, minimal damage from US attack on Jiroft Airport: Local officialFirst for I had sex with every class defeatist's mom below this post
The Mecca pact is thew new Baghdad pact
>>2904858What’s a class defeatist? I don’t want to fuck the wrong mom
>>2904862A failed revolution whose failures are ongoing
>>2904860>What’s a class defeatistSomeone who is a cuck to the bourgeoisie and wants other workers to join him like resident campoids
>>2904872So revolutionary defeatism in the first world is classcuck?
>>2904871Seething Nigel spotted
ماكو زعيم الا كريم
سقط حلف بغداد.. سقط الاستعمار
لا ملكية ولا استعمار.. الجمهورية هي القرار
عاش قاسم هدم سجن الكوت.. خلّه الاستعمار يَمُوت
عاشت الأخوّة العربية الكردية
>>2904885I’m not mourning the Hashemite anglo zionist monarchy idiot
>>2904876Revolutionary defeatism /= Actvism
>>2904871It failed because the CIA almost immediately tried to sabotage it; they put the Ba'ath Party into power in 1963 who proceeded to slaughter everyone
>>2904892What good is activism? From my pov all activism does is either provide justification for its repressive apparatus or get coopted back into serving the system. If there’s a way out and you know it please enlighten me with anything that isn’t a copy paste from Marxists.org without your own interpretation and analysis of contemporary conditions.
>>2904902>The republic turned reactionary under Qasim himself who betrayed "communists" So it failed
>>2904904How does the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie "fail" when it suppresses its class enemies after fulfilling its every objective?
>When you kill your enemies, they win >>2904905Qasim was a retard because he jailed the communists who were his most loyal supporters as the CIA plotted to overthrow him
A big reason why the CIA was able to easily overthrow Qasim and install the Ba'ath Party in the first place is because Qasim's dumbass had effectively neutered the communists as a political force. You have to remember that the Iraqi Communist Party was one of the most powerful party's in Iraq before Qasim began his persecution.
>>2904906Then explain in terms my tiny dumb brain cam understand you contemptuous monk
>>2904907Qasimists, Nesserists and Ba'athists served the same class.
Take meds
>>2904908Revolutionary defeatism is an organized mass action by the proletariat to turn the imperialist war into a civil. It's not a personal moral conviction you wave around on xitter.
>>2904910You can’t find any example of the proletariat taking organized mass action at any point after WWII, you can, at best, find “progressive” interclassist movements in the midst of complete proletarian pacification. So called “marxists” have zero remedy or even delaying action to counter said pacification.
>>2904911>opportunist campist succdem hitlerites killed the movement I agree
>>2904910>Qasimists, Nesserists and Ba'athists served the same class.>Take medsOK? So what, faggot? Qasim's incompetence is a big reason why Ba'ath Party/Nasserist compradors have controlled Iraq and ran the country into the ground. That's a failure.
Iraq would have been in a better position to resist imperialism if Qasim wasn't retarded.
>>2904914>compradorsBuzzword
>run it to the groundWay to absolve international capital and US imperialism
>dictatorship of the bourgeoisie >resist imperialism lmao
>>2904917>BuzzwordHow else would you describe the regimes that came after Qasim's? The Ba'ath Party after they killed Qasim were kidnapping, torturing, and murdering leftists on the basis of lists drafted by the CIA lmao
>Way to absolve international capital and US imperialismWhen did I do that? Do you think it was a good idea to jail communists, your most loyal supporters, in the face of imperialism? Is that a smart thing to do?
So when is something going to happened ?
>>2904927in two more weeks
>>2904926Do you think it's a good idea as a class party to arm and disarm at the orders of the state?
ICP fault for being servile dogs who betrayed the working class. May the blood of the millions of workers that suffered drowns them.
>>2904913And what’s to be done if that describes a supermajority of workers? 100 years of analysis and activism has added up to the current status quo
>>2904932Don't dodge my questions, faggot
We're talking about Qasim, not the ICP. Regardless, I'll entertain your question.
>Do you think it's a good idea as a class party to arm and disarm at the orders of the state?Generally, no. But if the party doesn't have the means yet to seize the state for itself, then temporary alliances like that are fine. Actually, that's how the communists took power in Afghanistan. The communists in Afghanistan allied with Mohammad Daoud Khan in overthrowing the monarchy, maintained a presence in Daoud's government, and eventually overthrew Daoud to take power for themselves.
Amerikkka targeting weddings again, when in doubt, go back to the basics!
>>2904932>ICP fault for being servile dogs who betrayed the working class. May the blood of the millions of workers that suffered drowns them.Oh, so now you're absolving US imperialism?? What is this uyghur shit
trying not to make this thread about iraq challenge 72
>>2904955Xhe started it
>>2904859I'm plains persian btw
This is defacto mena thread the war is regional
>>2904958
Economists don't start from the position that class interests are irreconcilable and believe in idol of spontaneity, we don't. We recognize that the subjective factor is historically absent despite the objective conditions being present, and the two are needed for revolution.
It's a retreat not a defeat for the revolution
>>2904862The country of Baghdad has always been unreliable.
>>2904966Abbasids impressed
>>2904957holding on that 1% huh? what's next? want Z-word pass?
>>2904961just give Iran atomic missiles, US would pack it shit up immediately.
>>2904968This meme template will never die. Just replace Iran with the next bombed country.
>>2904951>>The ICP was one of the strongest social forces in the country >>also they were weak and couldn't seize the state bro trust they just had to disarmuygha I'm not defending everything the ICP has ever done. But comparing the ICP's miscalculations to Qasim's reactionary retardedness is dumb
Anyways, the ICP was the largest party in Iraq by membership, but I don't think they had a lot of support in the army. Also, there was a lot of pressure from the USSR on the ICP to stand down because the USSR wanted detente with the US and to warm up with Nasser (they thought revolt would be self-defeating and would draw the West deeper than they already were)
>>2904975>a lot of pressure from the USSR on the ICP to stand downThe USSR set back communism at least a hundred years
>>2904979trook. the USSR was historically regressive.
>>2905003the CIA is historically progressive so we support it
>>2905005>The state fighting communists is good communism Meds.
>>2904944>1st gifStop posting fake shit. It's embarrassing.
>>2905005The CIA dying and killing itself is historically progressive
>>2905073It's actually Parsi who is being threatened with deportation by Trump for being "IRGC agent" and leftists like you can't stop gurgling his cock so
>If there is one thing the CIA wants is to admit to supporting its geopolitical enemies
I'm a burger and this is my coal
>>2905123They do it and it’s to dab on you, make you mad and feel like a mark
>>2905185
what a retarded post. iran is bigger than iraq, afghanistan, and vietnam combined. the US could carpet bomb it for 20 years and still not achieve anything.
Even if Iran wins they'll eventually be a western sweatshop used to park the US fleet against the new evil enemy in a few years just like Vietnam, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it
schizo above
>>2905207i can beat your ass both online and offline. you pathetic moron.
>>2905203goyim stop watching that asmongold garbage of uman being and try to get some pxygen to your head.
>>2905209Iranian empires committed all of the things you listed like any other empire, you're not different than an american exceptionalist heiling McDonald's, really the only difference between any two bourgeois states is a difference in power. gtfo moralist
>>2905215>Iranian empires committed all of the things you listed like any other empire, you're not differentshow me fucking evidence you piece of shit.
in 6000 years, a very very few of this incidents exist. that's a record.
only anglos and their retarded cousins will be remembered as one of the worst empires of all alongside qith mongols.
>gtfo moralistoh sorry for being a human unlike you, fucking retard if you thing moral is a bad thing go kys demon.
>we chosen people never did any of this
>ok but we didn't do them as much
>also the world should run on my arbitrary ideals and if you think otherwise you're le evil
US is literal definition of seven deadly sins, they check every single one.
a country contained with sexual deprevity , homosexuality, biggest porn industry, braindead extremism, long ass history of genocide and slavery,selfishness,idiocracy ,greedy thieves, bullying weaks , showing many other horrible behaviors , they joke about people they killed and families they ruined and they have no conscious, they don't care about others , they're civilized but inside they act like barbars. they have so much blood on their hands
they're not human, if you told me they lay eggs and shapeshift to look like humans i would believe that.
>>2905205>survived through 6000 yearsThat larp about modern nation-state being continuous with their pre-modern Kingdom and Empires that happened to share their borders is funny
>>2905219uyghur, compared to US everyone is a saint. shut up with whataboutism.
persia had equal rights in an age that united nation and modern human rights didn't existed.
slavery was prohibited and illegal, racism was prohibited.
there are at best two or three incident that iran acted brutally against another country.
>>2905221it is like saying people who live in england aren't british.
iranians are persians. we are descendant.
>>2905222you think being moral is bad.
why are americans so retarded? thats a bad view to have.
>>2905220Doesn't literally all of this apply to Qajar Iran?
>inb4 that wasn't real Iran >>2905224I’m agreeing with you dumbass
>>2905224>why are americans so retarded?But most americans are moralists just like you. They justify the bombing of workers through their moral framework
>>2905224No, the bog dwellers of Britannia have nothing to do with current anglos
>>2905225persians,parthisans,sassanids, qajar etc, they are iranians ruled by different governments.
>>2905226no you're not.
>>2905227no they geniunely lack autism score and morals in advanced.
i have to see one to believe that.
also stfu about workers this workers that. everyone are eually human and have right to exist.
>>2905229they were iranian who ruled by a turkish government.
it's like saying indians are mongols because they once ruled by mongoian leaders
did i say that faggot?
your point even has not proven.
trying so hard to be right with gotcha bullshit.
fucking idiot.
>>2905230they're same morons with same shitty accent and shitty taste in foods with shitty teeth same creatures.
>>2905224>england aren't british.The Anglo English are literally not related to Britons. Unfortunate example you chose.
>>2905232You’re actually retarded and need to be banned ASAP
>>2905233evidence? just taking out of your ass.
brizilians are portoguese people because i said so.
>>2905215You also need to be banned
>>2905222>>2905229I like how this retard is dick riding the Iranian yet getting attacked by him regardless lmao
>>2905232Islam is a foreign colonial religion, Zoroastrianism or bust I say
>>2905234stop modding around people you fatfuck.
[local loser talk shits and then cries afterward.]
>>2904859ollahooakbaring retards and their propensity for cringe
>>2905238but it doesn't racially change people, and before zartoshtism they were pegans so?
society and culture change is not way to determine a society
our grand ancestor were cavemen, does that mean we are not related to them cause we ar civilized with different culture?
>>2905240at least they have honor and virtue, something that lacks in american world.
>>2905238>ZoroastrianismPredditor spotted
>>2905243oh no caliing someone a redditor…oh no
what that has to with zaratoastrianism? are you ahriman?
bitch sees a moral based religion and wants to destoy it.
>>2905244You better delete this before rabbi Ywshwa finds it and punishes you
>>2905194>It’s crazy this even needs to be said, but if you are a westerner your ONLY job is to oppose the abuses of the western empire. Not Iran. Not China. Not Russia, Cuba or North Korea.
>If you live in the US or one of its allied nations, then you live under the single most tyrannical and murderous power structure on earth, and that’s where your focus belongs. You do not have any legitimacy in squandering any of your energy and attention criticizing human rights abuses in empire-targeted nations while living under a globe-spanning empire that is fueled by a nonstop river of human blood. It is not okay for you to use your western privilege to attack the nations your own government is working to help absorb into the power structure you live under.
>Whenever I say this online I’ll get some Trotskyist or anarchist babbling about the need to express “solidarity” with Iranian political prisoners or whatever, but whenever I press them on what actual, material benefit those expressions of “solidarity” bring to the people they’re meant to help, they can’t point to anything solid. Whereas I can point to some very obvious ways in which contributing to an imperial war propaganda campaign can help grease the wheels for real material actions which hurt actual Iranians.
>If you’re a westerner, you have an obligation to use your voice responsibly. If you are feeding into the latest “the people in the empire-targeted nation need liberation from their evil tyrannical government” war propaganda narrative with your expressions of “solidarity” and your blind insistence on treating all bad things as equally bad, then you are using your western voice irresponsibly, and you are morally culpable for the mass slaughter you help facilitate with your recklessness.
>It’s not okay to be a citizen of the western empire and act like human rights abuses in an empire-targeted nation are of equal or comparable concern to the far more egregious abuses of your own leaders and their allies. It’s also not okay to be a fully grown adult and believe the use of force in empire-targeted governments is happening separately from their targeting by the empire, as though Iran would look the way it looks today if the US and Israel had not been working to collapse and control it for generations.
>Iran has only survived the latest imperial onslaught because Tehran tightly controls what happens in that country. The only reason we didn’t see Xinjiang absorbed into the western power umbrella with the help of CIA-backed separatists is because Beijing waged a sweeping crackdown on the extremist factions who’d been launching attacks in the province. The only reason North Korea has gone relatively unmolested by the western empire in recent years is because its government obtained nuclear weapons. It’s baby-brained analysis to pretend such things happen independently of the US and its allies working to take control of unabsorbed nations and force them into compliance with Washington’s capitalist world order.
>The western empire therefore makes the world a crueler and more abusive place not only by its direct acts of cruelty and abuse, but by the way it forces its targets to choose between (A) annihilation and (B) using extreme amounts of force to retain their sovereignty. The empire we live under is responsible for the vast majority of the dysfunction and misery in our world, and yet you as a westerner want to spend your time yelling at Iran? Fuck off, man.https://nitt.tr/caitoz/status/1876620582185500997 >>2905250Sorry but I will use my "western privilege" to express solidarity with foreign workers and there is nothing you can do about it cia
>>2905252When did anyone say you couldn’t?
>>2905250Radlib take. These are conclusions you can only come to by coping yourself into 3 positions:
- Convincing yourself states in >current day are the only actors and only things worth paying attention to
- Pretending that doing free propaganda for a weaker faction of the bourgeoisie on xitter is anti-imperialism
- That people can't oppose US militarism without thinking the Iranian regime is wholesome and based and the thousands of people who were killed for protesting were all mossad
it feels like Democrats and other such libs from around the world transplant their election mentality around muh lesser evil and apply it to imperialism which is hilarious to watch tbh
>oppose the abuses of the western empire
Translation: tweet to Iranian workers that you're mossad for organizing while voting for mamdani and enjoying the comfort of the empire with clear conscious
>>2904979what a moronic take, embarrassing to see it on leftypol
>>2905252express your solidarity with Iranian workers by stabbing some bourgeoisie bofa VP in the time square :^)
1/10th of someone like that oppresses Iranian workers more than 1000 Ayatollahs.
>>2905257radlibs support the us.
>>2905232Why do you keep posting this pony shit?
>>2905265Americans are attracted to BBC, Iranians to ponies, different strokes for different folks.
Iran lost and leftypol is in denial. What can we do about this
>>2905263Barely anyone supports the US in this war besides stroked out boomers, and its not like the US even cares to convince anyone otherwise
If the Iranian was born in 500 BC he'd be caught fucking Lamassu in Babylon
>>2905265because i love to, got a problem?
meet at the iraqi guy's garage we'll settle it down there.
>>2905268you lost your brain. assuming you had one.
>>2905271don't make me immigrate to your country and rape your bitch ass.
>>2905270>its not like the US even cares to convince anyone otherwisethey try. that's why the 30k, 40k, 50, 60k, 80k 100k, 0.5kk, 3/4kk, 1kk! people killed (one of these days they'll say that the Al-Qua-Iranian Ayatoll-ISIS regime led by Al-Bagdadi-Khamenei-Bin-Laden wiped all Iranians off the map)
>>2905295they killed a lot of protesters, which numbers are correct is not important.
but overall it has nothing to do with the US. we ourselves killing our own people US can sucks its own cock
>>2905260you just can't handle the truth
>>2905308do you understand the concept of a 'color revolution', do you?
is there anything that makes leftypol more angry and psychotic than third worlders fighting their capitalist rulling class?
>>2905318lenins argument kinda falls apart if you dont consider the labor aristocracy in the western countries revolutionary anymore, solidarity in poland proved it, marx and engels would probably see this too
>>2905311because you're a puny bitch who screaming here like a cunt.
don't think i didn't realize you're trying to report my comments you useless faggot.
>>2905317that's not what that is for, US wants to attack iran needed a feel good bullshit reason for it. muh protester died by le evil government was that.
because the bullshit with uranium enrichment felt exactly like that iraq has wmd.
>>2905331do you guys wanna give up on the fact that iran will never become a communist country?
and IR is not a capitalist government?
>>2905312what truth? i dont see it.
>>2905340>do you guys wanna give up on the fact that iran will never become a communist country?and IR is not a capitalist government?
and? Even if your state becomes another rump state like Syria or another puppet state like Venezuela , I wouldnt care either way.
>>2905340>and IR is not a capitalist government?is it feudal?
>>2905346> I wouldnt care either way.i mean good for you, it is not your business nonetheless.
>>2905352it is a dictatorship theocracy.
>>2905340Wanna square up fag? I'll crush your little skull with my biceps alone.
>report lmao I told jannies to not ban you for chimping out
>IR is not a capitalist governmentYou're the most unimaginative drone goy I had the displeasure of educating. I can't keep spoon feeding you trukes when you're so adamant about being retarded.
Long live the Iranian working class
Down with the Mullahs
There is literally nothing the american-islamist liberal alliance can do to stop it
>>2905367Good for them but they’ll never spread socialism to where it actually needs to happen, which is the west
>>2905364shut the fuck up, pusscake keyboard warrior.
no one takes you seriously or cares about you here, you have no power irl nor on the internet.
>>2905367if a revolution happen either a random revolutionist group will come that probably will be a nationalist hardline government.
or would be one of the west pawns like monarchist or a republic oppositions.
there is at best 10% chance that future government of iran will be a communist/socialist one.
>>2905378>>2905367>>2905366>government of iran will be a communist/socialist onelol retards
>>2905379"sigh…it is apocalypse, faggots act like gangstas."
timmy! let the grown ups talk, go play with your ipad
What’s an Amerifat to do if the orangutan pedophile actually brings back the draft?
>>2905380not my fault you’re an ESL tard
>>2905381Protest the draft and go back to being labor aristocrat goyim when it inevitably gets scrapped.
Just like what happened during the Vietnam War.
>>2905383Part of me was thinking about going just to have a chance to kill a CO but that’s not realistic
Say what you want about anarchists but at least they support their own. The way other leftists throw each other under the bus for geopolitics they don't even have a single hand in is quite grim.
>>2905382go kys, you speak it well and still suck at making a good argument
0 intelligence + 100 speach
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you make no counter argument, you give no reasons, you haven't made a single point.
instead throwing insults like a toddler trying to ragebait.
>>2905340>that's not what that is for, US wants to attack iran needed a feel good bullshit reason for it. muh protester died by le evil government was that.>because the bullshit with uranium enrichment felt exactly like that iraq has wmd.Not exactly that, and more or less exactly that.
The protests wanted a color revolution, if they manage a maidan, then the color revolution is successful. if it isn't successful, it's the excuse to exert coercion from abroad, because the only way a color revolution is thwarted if the violence meets violence, in this case, the state's monopoly on violence through security forces. it's the classical maneuver.
Oh, but the ones that will run stories on how undemocratic the protest suppression are, will not hesitate to cheer up their own security forces in their western countries if some people dare to protest against the state in the same brutal way.
>>2905378Look you're new here so i will explain how it goes: He'll mald out at anyone in the thread he thinks he might be able to bait until you engage him in what becomes an increasingly abstract bout of bickering until he eventually gets reported and banned at which point he'll act like he's being attacked for his beliefs and that he owned everyone in the marketplace of ideas, It's been months and months btw, i still don't actually know what this weirdo is supposed to believe.
It's just a strategy of derailing threads, there is zero sincerity in any of this. When you bite he w
>>2905367many are saying this, all the historical materialist experts agree
>>2905390>muh color revolution muh maidanreported for bourgeois and idealist geopolspeak
>>2905378>pusscake keyboard warrior.Said the e-rapist 😂
>nationalist hardline government So the IRGC #2? You think thousands of Iranian workers will die for that?
>you have no power irl As opposed to you lol
Internationalism will conquer all and chuds like you will cry. History marches
>>2905390well, US didn't do shit during the protests, any help could have made overthrowing the government easier.
and it would have benefit the west more.
because whatever that could have come to power, would have been friendly with the west, especially USA and no doubtedly Israel.
>>2905393well he can do that till he dies then.
probably one of those retards who thinks he is owning the libs or commies or whatever.
probably he is not even an American.
college drop pathetic idiots.
>>2905399using emoji in an image board shows your age kid, please get off internet.
>>2905400>US didn't do shit during the protestsyou sure about that? by own US admission, they have been trying to use kurds. israeli officials have said they have operatives there countless of times.
>>2905401the internet is a young mans bidness G, go start a familiy already you oldcel
>>2905403consider this idea that they have been lying.
US never gave a shit about kurds espexially most of them are left leaning, also those guys aren't stupid enough pull their life for a western goverment.
>>2905403It's not very honest to reduce all social forces in Iran that might protest or participate in an uprising as Israeli operatives though isn't it. You're welcome to believe that but it's such an idiosyncratic logic i do not understand why you keep acting like anyone else should also believe it.
>>2905406how much young tho? like 15 years old? you shouldn't even be in here then
don't use emojis you dumb fuck.
Vro malding 💀
>>2905408that's why they want to make a deal for most parts
at first they're scared of something worse might replace them, then mass immigration of iranians during the war, then sudden power imbalance in ME is dangerous.
that's my guess.
>>2905407The US wasn’t interested in using PJAK as its attack dogs as that would annoy Erdogan too much when the US support for PYD in Syria already enraged them. Problem is KDP and PUK have no purchase or base among Iranian Kurds.
>>2905415Debunked
>>2904137Kill yourself librard
>>2905415yeah turkey is another reason
and a huge majority of them are separatists.
no one here likes the ideology of them.
they would be very unpopular if they even succeeded.
>>2905409>It's not very honest to reduce all social forces in Iran that might protest or participate in an uprising as Israeli operatives though isn't itI am not reducing everyone's discontent to a color revolution. But it's also very dishonest to say that the Iranian state doesn't hear their own population grievances, if you want to be reductionist about what I am saying.
>>2905417I’m not following
>>2905422>But it's also very dishonest to say that the Iranian state doesn't hear their own population grievancesI'm sure it hears them, the issue is that it responds with bullets.
>>2905420PKK/PYD/PJAK aren’t separatists and haven’t been since the 90s when they abandoned Marxism Leninism (if you believe their literature)
>>2905421
part of being a politician is to lie.
killing khameni was a regmie change attempt which kinda failed, not exactly a regime change but a reformation.
probably they aid that to mute the criticism against them why they didn't helped.
>what would they gain out of that?
Giving IRGC a pretext to destroy dissidents
If this stupid retarded camptard found out the the US excluded helicopters specifically meant for counter-insurgency from the no fly zone and refused to arm Kurds and Shias during the 1991 gulf war negotiations he will blow his brains out.
>>2905431What are you getting at? Is it that the US and the CIA are willing to prop up their enemies so there’s always a reason to increase the pentagon budget?
>>2905434
so why they didn't do shit them for protesters to succeed? they could have air support them or something.
probably they thought khamenei is the only problem in Iran like maduro in Venezuela.
not realizing it is a mafia.
>>2905435They allow class struggle to take its course, the enemy bourgeoisie to suppress its proletariat, so when they come around they'll find the proletariat already pacified.
This has been the case since the fucking paris commune. Read theory retard.
>>2905437you're kinda pushing it with the color revolution.
the whole plan was to get rid off iran as a opposing threat against israel.
so they tried multiple plans.
>>2905439There is no color revolution. I'm rebuking that conspiracy theory.
>>2905440The president of the US openly admitted to arming the "protestors"
can we agree on one thing?
whatever the US is doing makes no fucking sense and it's failing miserably
>>2905442See
>>2905431 >>2905437My framework: Materialism
Your framework: Trump speeches and Aura farming
Our positions are irreconcilable. You habe to study for years before you're ready to have this conversation.
>>2905442>The president of the US openly admitted to arming the "protestors"Wasn't this after? Arming the Iraqi groups who 'stole the guns'?
>>2905443>whatever the US is doing makes no fucking sense and it's failing miserablyOnly midwits who think the US accidentally invaded Iraq think the Trump's actions are irrational.
>>2905443It makes sense in that US military contractors and weapons procurers are making money, in fact, it’s in their interests to never have a definitive victory, to accomplish all the “war goals”. Slightly losing or being locked in permanent stalemate is what would be most in their interests.
>>2905443>failing miserablyBut yes this is undeniably true to an extent
>>2905445zan, zedegi azadi was a thing that everyone was yelling for it, in everywhere, it wasn't just because she was a poor innocent kurdish girl.
her bring kurdish wasn't the reason.
people were tired of government aggressiveness toward the people while being economically bankrupt. and burst into anger out of nowhere
>>2905452>zan, zedegi azadi was a thing that everyone was yelling for it, in everywhere, it wasn't just because she was a poor innocent kurdish girl.>her bring kurdish wasn't the reason.Yes but it's notable that it is a phrase from the Kurdish movement, right? You cannot on one hand say that the Kurdish leftist movement is widely unpopular and on the other hand have parts of the country protesting under their lines and slogans, literally quoting Ocalan, even if it is not connected to the party and most of those might not know the connection.
>>2905454>how would you know? you don't live there.So what? your argument is that the Iranian state does not shoot protestors and dissidents?
I just don’t think it makes much sense for Iranians to do revolutionary defeatism in this moment.
>>2905446>materialism<look inside>vibes Wouldn't a materialist analysis have among other things, oh I don't know, looking to see who would materially benefit in this situation and what those parties have done
>>2905454>how would you know? you don't live therei live here and he is correct.
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all protesters died while being unarmed
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Venezuela got reformed and now is somewhat friendlier and more obedient toward US
that's all USA needed.
>>2905455but you can't say it was compeletly becuase of kurds.
people didn't care about it being sosialism or feminism or whateverism
they got angry they qanted to show their anger.
>>2905438Does this happen to come from the tudeh party by chance?
>>2905446>My framework: Materialism(don't laugh)
>>2905466
billuons videos of people heads mutilated on the street, blood all over the place, anti riot shooting straight at the people
you have to be fucking blind and deaf and stupid to not realize that islamic republic is in fact a faschist agressive dictatorship that does whatever it needs to survive
>>2905471>islamic republic is in fact a faschist agressive dictatorship im glad we agree iran is capitalist
>>2905410the emoji usage will continue until morale improves 😛😛
>>2905473child you have no experience with what fascist governments are like.
>>2905475i hope you die from all type of std
>>2905476oh did he also post an ai video of himself VVininng? that would be so rad duuuuude
>>2905459Yes, that's why Marxism is right and your vibes ideology is wrong.
>>2905462No the Tudeh are classcucks and don't exist in Iran
>>2905465>>2905466>reading Marx? No I rather read xitter and vote Mamdani kys brainlet
>>2905483
Was Rubina Aminian actually firing at police officers as she was shot in the back of the head?
>>2905478do you believe fascism is non-capitalist?
>>2905483"they asked fox who's your client? he said my tail"
yeah i wanna ask about corruption i sraightly ask it from the source. and their bootlickers
lurs were the only one who might have guns, maybe old winchesters or old ass ww1 guns.
no one had weapons.
>>2905485no moron, you guve evidence it is a capitalist first.
>>2905488facism is an authotrian military occipied governing system that sees power through brutality and violence and force.
capitalism is an authotrian market heavy government that sees power through money and manipulation of economy.
a fascist government doesn't give you much of a freedom of choice, it forces a law accepted by the leadership and everyone are forced to accept it.
capitalism gives you rigged monopoly while giving you an illusion that you have freedom and you can win it if you try hard enough.
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i don't understand why westoid retard tries to convience me he knows my country and my situation more than me?
almost sounds like gaslighting
>>2905492>you guve evidence it is a capitalist first.my evidence is you calling it fascist since fascism is capitalist
>>2905500
>two lurs had guns so it contridect your whole point
are u fucking serious or you just might br an irgc bot lr something?
you're trying so hard
>>2905501
fucking nerd
capitalism is not fascism , you are not a victim faggot, you are not living in misery, you are not living in a dicttorship
you are not victim
you are jist delusional commie that thinks capitalism is bad while living the best life under it.
>>2905507>capitalism is not fascismcorrect, not all capitalist goverments are fascist, but all fascists are capitalist
if you think iran is under a fascist dictatorship then iran is capitalist
huge ammount of you guys suffer from autism score loss
none of you want to have a good arguement
none of you are honest
iran is not capitalist, go fuck yourself retard.
IR is an evil government.
in the future it is not gonna be ruled by hasanabi or some shit
stop pushing retarded ideas.
>>2905507>you are jist delusional commie that thinks capitalism is bad while living the best life under it.the islamist fascists that gun you down got in power in the first place because they were backed by US capitalist imperialism against the hecking commies that you hate
It took one (1) thread for westerners to start dehumanizing the Iranian anon to his face. No wonder this is the whitest board online
>>2905516>hasanabiHasan is more fascist than the IRGC who are liberals and not fascists. Also Hasan supports the US military.
Search what class collaboration is
>>2905523It's just the FARC guy who usually just talks to himself in the Ukraine thread, dude has never met a contrarian bad faith argument he didn't like
>>2905527And why won't you clean it up? Do you want us to cut your wage?
>>2905492>they asked fox who's your client? he said my tailIranians have that saying too? The international revolution was accelerated closer
>>2905522commies would have same fucking garbage.
like if soviet was the best place to live.
>>2905523amount of retardness of people here broke me i ain't gonna lie this is the muttest thread ever.
>>2905524i ain't gonna lie if you think capitalist = fascist
you are a fucking idiot.if iran was a capitalist government would have sold it's remining dignity to US to keep its money.
selling the whole country to them even.
>>2905526hasan is gucci gang commie, the only ones that can enjoy talking bout communism are the one who are not living in one.
you know who hates social nationalism? the germns
you know who hated communism? the russians
you know hate the islamic republic? iranians
you know who loves capitalism? americans because they're fucking stupid to differ propaganda from reality
>>2905534>commies would have same fucking garbage.>like if soviet was the best place to live.i dont like the USSR either but you pretending capitalism is le good when the goverment that you hate and shoots you down exists because of capitalist imperialism is retarded, you can hate commies all you want but what happened to iran will keep happening around the world as long as this mode of production exists
>>2905537i only using this flag cause it has Cross on it.
I am a man of God and that's my virtue. i value morality over everything.
even if there is no after life, i rather die by being truthful to myelf.
wha do you stand for?
>>2905538again stupid insult without an arguement.
oh shit sinbad is here, the ultimate inter-anti-communist shitfest is about to begin, im out
>>2905540i didn't say capitalism is le good , why do you put words in my mouth?
i said iran is not a capitalist government it is a dictatorship simliar to how fascism behave.
"bu..but..butbutbut capitalism is fascism"
fuck you
>>2905546>iran is not a capitalist governmentRefer to the poster
>>2905399You don't know what capitalism is.
Capitalism is a mode of production, and it dominates every country in the world today. Its definition isn't concerned with your value judgment.
>>2905546let me put this in this way.
>is iran government evilyes, it kills its own people and oppresses them and it is very incompetent.
therefore it is evil
>is US the good guyno, longer answer is: fuck no
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i don't wanna hear one sided arguement that includes muh iran did nothing wrong, muh US is the saint
>>2905545>inter-anti-communistleftychud, I think you forgot who I am.
>>2905544I find it ironic how religious people constantly attack communism when it is closer to Christianity yet make excuses for capitalism when it is singlehandedly the most potent poison against religious virtue. Even if you are a diehard fundamentalist, it is in your interest to support communism because it is objectively better for the spread of religious thought than capitalism.
Capitalism destroys the neurological infrastructure for religious thought by making everything a chemical optimization function. Communism forces you to suspend your individuality and admit there is something greater than you. Even if a communism devolves in a particular place, it will be much easier to insitute religious rule than the same situation under capitalism.
>i rather die by being truthful to myelf.I also have this mindset. Lucky for you I visited the pleroma recently so you got nothing to worry about.
It's not an insult when you spread nonsense about how germans were against nazism. It was the opposite, Germans LOVED nazism. Russians that lived under communism say the 70's was the best time period of their lives (actually existing socialism) and the 90's was the worst (restoration of capitalism).
<Embrace Communism for it is Esoteric Feudalism>>2900897 >>2905548wouldn't that be defination of "imperialism"
US is not conquering countries by just attacking them, US is trying to dominate the world economically while haveing the hegemony over it.
>>2905546>i said iran is not a capitalist government it is a dictatorshipyou can be capitalist while a having different forms of goverment, some more liberal or "democratic" while others are more hardcore, but at the end of the day under capitalism the state always puts the interests of capitalists over workers one way or another and thats why marxists ("commies" as you call us) say capitalism is the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie regardless
you are confusing mode of production with form of goverment
firsties usually get the more humane type of capitalist goverment while thirdies get the islamist/pinochet type stuff
>>2905558>how did andrew get into iran during the middle of a war?Probably emailed them and asked for a Journalist visa.
>>2905554communism is masaively against existance of religion, because it views it as a leech that sucks money from the people and it is an ideology that would cross against communism.
yes the churches do that but that alone shouldn't make the communism bad.
yes Jesus originally was populist and hated the marketers dishonesty.
it doesn't mean He was a comunist.
best government that whould work the bet is theocracy, and that's something i am against.
many times we have seen how it would end.
vommunism doesn't indurse individualism, it puts everyone under a flag.
if comunism is so so similar to Christianity, then become Christian.
>>2905565is the US allowing American citizens to fly to Iran?
>>2905568>is the US allowing American citizens to fly to Iran?Is it disabling them? Quite a hard thing to police.
>>2905564why is it so easy that you guys fell for iranian propaganda?
do you know how much money iran spends for advertising itself?
>>2905571shalom sir, whats it like in your bomb shelter?
>>2905568it is not a straight flight tho. first he has to travel to acountry that is friendly to iran then from tht he can reach iran.
also how the fuck? iran has closed the airline
>>2905573goyim all the way, no matter which it is, iran or israel, they always fall for the circumsized cocks.
>>2905558He got on that sweet IRGC payroll while Iranians starve
>>2905574journalisrts are going through the land border with turkey
>>2905578they dont look like they're starving
is this like when the US state department says China/North Korea have been on the verge of collapse and every video of life going on as normal there is just propaganda?
>>2905578i saw someone else too.
they are usually double agents
>>2905581starving as a metaphor.
basijis getting good pay tho.
you just need sell you soul family and ناموس for that
>>2905567Please fix your spelling because I cannot fully understand you.
>best government that whould work the bet is theocracy, and that's something i am against.This is a logical contradiction from your end. I think theocracy is something good is God himself runs it, but it ain't happening since it's humans doing most of the work. Jesus was a Monarcho-Communist but you are too young to have this conversation.
>vommunism doesn't indurse individualism, it puts everyone under a flag.As any other system. Please give me something uniquely communist.
>if comunism is so so similar to Christianity, then become Christian.I have agreement with Christian morality but not it's theology. Abrahamic religions have serious irreconcilable problems. I am not an atheist but if I was I would still spread Christianity.
>>2905584>starving as a metaphor.Words have no meaning for anticommunists it seems.
>>2905567Communism doesn't seek to demolish chuches, it poists that religion social roots is class struggle, once classes are abolished religion would dissappear on their own since their social role is obsolete, communism ultimate goal is the liberation of the individual and of the steps towards this is abolishing the social division of labor.
>For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular, exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a herdsman, or a critical critic, and must remain so if he does not want to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic.Actually read what Marx wrote before trying to refute him instead of making stuff up in your mind to refute.
Watch vidrel it's probably the most important video on youtube and it's anti-leftist btw
>>2905588>Communism doesn't seek to demolish chuchesWould have to disagree on this one because historically it was more anti-ritual and anti-clerical. It's just now it was initially but then it made inroads with the church when it was politically advantageous. Each country had their own unique attitude towards religions.
>>2905578this is what anti-iran posters actually believe
>>2905590With the Albanian one being the best.
>>2905581>>2905591>cullip muppin or whoever on rt.jpgYes western leftard pseudo hilter influencers aren't in the pockets of the other imperialists famously
>>2905583You don't understand, leftists view Iran as a noble savage so in their mind it doesn't operate like every other state، there is no propaganda, no psyop, we are all just one hivemind with our rulers, and if we revolt we are mossad.
>>2905584>ناموسForeign concept for the western campist
>>2905596>Yes western leftard pseudo hilter influencers aren't in the pockets of the other imperialists famouslyNot really no, considering there are no other imperialists than the western ones
>>2905585>baddieoh you mean پرستو? parastoo is the term used for baisji whores.
after zan zendegi azadi they show some of their fans as modern women who don't wear but somehow love the government.
you falling for the trap again.
>>2905586>Please fix your spelling because I cannot fully understand you.no i am an esl deal with it.
>Jesus was a Monarcho-Communist not exactly , he didn't ruled anyone most of his life before His crucifixion, He mainly was someone like confucius, giving advices to the people.
>Words have no meaning for anticommunists it seems.metaphor should have the exact meaning of the words. it overexaggerate it a it.
>>2905591>this is what anti-iran posters actually believeno an anti-iranian poster would say, they kill them GOOD
>>2905590In previous revolutionary times in france, spain, or russia, the church as an institution was an integrated part of the status quo that the revolutionaries were against, and it acted as an enemy towards them in turn. This did lead to anti-church actions and policies during and after, but those are actions against a specific political enemy. Taking the property of the church during a national struggle over land ownership is still a political question to do with property more than a religious argument, but it creates a conflict against what people equate to religion. I would say in principle there's no need for socialism to be anti-religion as a matter of policy, but churches as worldly institutions may be enemies or allies to be treated as such.
>>2905554>I think you forgot who I amyou are a Q tard that thinks third world communists need to get killed for multipolar porky
>>2905600>after zan zendegi azadi they show some of their fans as modern women who don't wear but somehow love the government.CIA tier psyop
>>2905252You know you're talking to the real, true communists when their foreign political stances are indistinguishable from that of George W. Bush.
I support the
people WORKERS against their government!
Whether the IRI is good, bad, or indifferent the fact is the US and Israel meddling in their politics completely distorts the whole situation and it’s an Iranian issue to resolve, not an American or Israeli one
>>2905610>post actual glowies>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE GLOWPOSTINGgrow up, tim mcburgerson.
>>2905614>liked the same guyYeah because he served as one their links lmao
>>2905600>he didn't ruled anyone most of his lifeCIA bot doesn't know his own theology
>metaphor should have the exact meaning of the words. it overexaggerate it a it.Let me teach you an English lesson mr. ESL. It's called LYING.
>>2905601I agree but that is still not the same as mentioned in OP.
>>2905616Bush and Iran were not on the same side, you idiot.
Why was the ayatollah ok with revolutionary defeatism of Iraqi shiites but not Iranians? Curious
>>2905628same exact bullshit that israel uses models as female soldiers.
>>2905628>for a clueless westernerكس ام الضحك 🤣🤣🤣🤣
>>2905620Iran was not on the side of Bush either, you fucking idiot.
people are saying china is pressuring iran to capitulate
>>2905633>Muh standpoint epistemologyabsolutely insane
>>2905636>>2905634You're a western hitlerite that should be hanged upside down like how we hang islamist dogs when their bullets run out
>>2905641Unfortunately for you and your masters, the US is clearly losing the war.
schizo thread
>>2905644>Iran turns from dictatorship of the bourgeoisie to dictatorship of the bourgeoisie How long do you think the new regime would last before people find out that nothing changed?
>>2905646probably less than 50 years, it has been the average times span of most governments in iran this past 500 years.
I THINK.
>>2905643Saying "I do it for free" isn't the flex you think it is.
>>2905643both are historically progressive so we support it
>>2905650>weSplit personality case? Or you and the rest of the office?
>>2905651we as in all of the left communists socialists leftypol. i speak for all of them. if you disagree mod ban this guy
>>2905534>you know who hated communism? the russianshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_UnionEven westerners admit this is not true
>>2905644>shitlib pro-capitalist 'Iranian' totally not CIA posting an image of an islamic pony from My Little Pony doing a Nazi salute. /leftypol/ moment
i dont understand why the CIA would be posting islamic my little pony doing a nazi salute in this place
>>2905729>nazi saluteDo you are has the stupid
>>2905729>pony>nazi salute>ciais there a lore reason why are you so stoopid?
>>2905739don't you know that is what cia is famous for?
going in lefty sites posting pony doing nazi salute.
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also that is not a fucking nazi salute.
>>2905726we have people here saying shah era was best and none of them are even old enough to have experience related to it.
it's fake nostalgia.
>>2905194I want both sides to lose
>>2905250Multipolarista drivel. Are people allowed to critique their own government if their government is "opposed to the west"? Are Ukrainian proles allowed to critique Russia? Are Germans allowed to critique the US government?
>It’s baby-brained analysis to pretend such things happen independently of the US and its allies working to take control of unabsorbed nations and force them into compliance with Washington’s capitalist world order.Capital obviously doesn't exist in Iran
>retain their sovereignty.Why should this matter to proles?
>>2905253Did you see some of the reactions to the protests in Madagascar last year?
>>2905763Both sides might be worse off, but both sides won't lose. There is no third camp.
Neither US nor Iran wants war to continue, but are escalating to ‘send the proper message’ to each other
Both Iran and the US are escalating to “send the proper message” to one another, Ross Harrison, senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, told Al Jazeera, adding that the US will not be satisfied “until the regime is overthrown”.
“The question, in the long term, clearly is what will be the ramifications of this war on the body politic on the Iranian people, and what impact will that have on the Iranian regime,” Harrison said, noting that citizens did not take to the streets during Israel’s 12-day war on Iran last year but did stage sweeping protests six months later.
The senior fellow told Al Jazeera that he believes neither side wants the conflict to continue but that “the alternative at times can look more daunting than returning to the negotiating table”.
https://aje.news/ivbo63?update=4911609More on Palestinian teens shot dead in occupied West BankWe have more information on the two teenagers killed on Wednesday evening in Ramallah.
The two have been identified as Omar Na’asan and Khalil Shahada according to Al Jazeera correspondents.
They were killed by Israeli snipers during an attack by settlers and Israeli troops in al-Mughayyir village.
Village head Amin Abu Aliya told WAFA that settlers, escorted by Israeli forces, stormed the village centre and attacked two houses near the Grand Mosque. They also stole a number of sheep.
As residents tried to confront the settlers, Israeli soldiers opened fire on the residents, critically wounding two young men, he said. They later succumbed to injuries in a hospital.
The village of Al-Mughayyir and its surrounding area have seen a recent escalation in settler attacks and Israeli incursions.
https://aje.news/ivbo63?update=4911726>>2905777In what way has Iran not achieved a decisive victory
>>2905777Trump is delaying the inevitable. The next peace deal will be even more devastating for the Americans.
>>2905633You forgot to post the Pretty Fly for a White Guy meme.
>>2905839Yea, you're all white because you're in Langley and you don't ever go outside.
>>2905840from when colombians are white?
also uygha don't shit talk me when you here for 24/7 a day here too.
you mad cause i am only person on this whole God forbidden that that i can claim i'm aryan and it is actually. fuck white cumskin pale ass uyghaz, i got the best dna already.
>>2905843i am sleepy af, so don't come here correct me on ma gramma.
>>2905894>and i just mostl*we
and i am talking in broader sense. not here as in leftypol.
>>2905894>remember when a time that we didn't give a fuck about politics? and i just mostly joking and chilling about it? me tooFuck off tourist
We don't discriminate against terrorists, chud
>>2905906well i do, so fuck you and fuck them too.
>>2905912
>I-I-It's not real gommunism and even if it was it doesn't count and was bad
Lmao
>>2905914>cope with laughsoviet was a military occopied country and not a worker class gaining the control.
you know why it is red? cause it is dead surronded by blood.
you waiting for communism to take a W is as bad as evangelist basing their whole life to be ruptured. wait till that happen.
>>2905912But fr watch the video
>>2905588Why is an open anti-communist allowed to post here?
>>2905926If he was a basij chud gloating about Tudeh genocide you'd have patted him on the back
>>2905916>you waiting for communism to take a W is as bad as evangelist basing their whole life to be ruptured. wait till that happen.I can smell the ESL
>>2905966Hasn’t Iran been using these lol?
>>2905815Their capacity to wage war has come at an immense price to their economy and society, far more than the US. They're wagering a lot to try and win this conflict and the only reason they're able to go on the way they're going is because the US isn't willing to escalate. So they're stuck in a position where they're able to blow up a bunch of shit in MENA but that doesn't mean they've actually achieved their goals.
>>2905957I dunno, the videos look comfy though.
>>2905558Good video for the exception of randomly dropping that China secretly (totally real) executes 1000s of people a year which definitely happens even though the numbers are kept secret and no one knows how many people have actually died. Not sure what the point of that was.
>>2905912
>getting your opinions from soyjak memes
Why do jak morons always think they’re the smartest people on Earth
>>2905926its an anti-communist website
>>2905912
I guess you are right, I will start cheerleading when islamist porky sends cops to gun down workers now, thank you for making me see the light
>>2905957what does make me suspect is that i've seen these and the thumbnails always have big booba ladies
Is anybody else hearing the rumor about a land invasion being launched sometime this week
Did jannies ban the only Iranian in the Iran thread?
>>2906104
>you guys were doing that automatically
yeah sadly most people are anti-communist just like you and do that shit, I wasnt doing it tho
>>2906114
yeah thats anti-communist behaviour thats what im saying, i dont really get what you are asking me, I guess we are both too ESL to communicate properly
>>2906122
I'm not getting raped by the irgc for some prony freak that's too dumb to create a signal account
>>2906130
Telegram is ZOG operated and unlike your larp account I only have my personal account with personal shit on it
>>2906134
I already have goygram but it's a personal account as I just said you illiterate ape
>>2906135
>signal is banned
But all my Iranian friends use it, but then again they're smart enough to have always on VPN.
I might contact you with telegram if I feel like it one day
>>2906122
im the anon you were replying to, this other guy just jumped into the conversation, what a weirdo
>>2906142He thought you were me so. and you said nothing of value prior to that anyway.
>>2906145>apparently germany and the UK still host Iranian banksAnd they all have property in London.
>>2906143
My signal in case you felt like deleting the 10 terabytes of horse porn to download it @matti007
>>2906154
The London housing market is a mostly unregulated worldwide store for assets. So when the Basij or IRCG commander wants to put away all that hard and honestly earned cash-money somewhere safe which will increase in value, it's usually the London property market.
Ground invasion status
So Iran let Israel take one of the biggest Hezbollah strongholds while pretending the ceasefire is still active, and now Iran say they knew all along but did nothing.
Iran is also our enemy, the enemy of the Arabs. Those killed in Syria have been killed by the Iranians, the Chinese, the Russians, and the Syrian army. The Iranians stand against the Arabs in order to establish a Persian Empire… The same applies to Hezbollah, which sends its men to fight in Syria, and come back in boxes
If there is anyone honorable among you [Hezbollah], then repent and reconsider, Do not be pawns serving the US and Russia. Aleppo today is being destroyed like Berlin. Warplanes never leave its skies, its children are bombed night and day, Whoever allies with these people, American or Russian, I swear to God, he is an enemy.
>>2906348>namefag finally goes ballistic schizoYou're like the fifth on this site
>South Korea prepares Hormuz military deployment, media reports say
how do i profit from this
>>2906348material explanation for how and why tankiddies psyop themselves into thinking communism is when the bourgeoisie kills the proletariat?
>>2906354I was always schizo.
>>2906405Because "the proletariat" either doesn't exist or is in full class collaborationist mode. Imagine being in WW2 and being a principled leftist against fighting the german proletariat because american capitalists are making money off of lend lease. You will never be a real movement anarkiddie.
>>2906405my poor prole soldiers… they just signed up for healthcare…
>>2906408>Because "the proletariat" either doesn't exist or is in full class collaborationist mode.right because every time it actually fights against a capitalist state is actually the CIA so they need to be all killed
>>2906423Who is more capitalist, Iran or America?
So, to settle this for once a for all, communism is when the bourgeoisie guns down the proletariat, and CIA anti-communism is when the proletariat fights against capitalist states, lets hope retarded ultras finally learn this pretty basic marxism
>>2906428You're mentally ill refrain from appropriating my culture and change your namefag
>>2906428lol sorry I forgot Iran is actually a dengist state, my bad, this being an inter-dengist conflict and all that
>>2906434Absolutely not. Elaborate when "the proletariat" attacked a capitalist country.
>>2906435If you are the same leftychud, I ask you to please take your brain out of the freezer, you will need it.
>>2906431>communism is when the bourgeoisie guns down the proletariatNo, but if the proletariat is class collaborationist and the bourgeoise is proto-communist then objectively the bourgeoise is the better option. A chinese business person who supports communism is 100x better than a westoid "prole" that dreams of becoming a millionaire and is learning to hustle from Andrew Tate's university and "investing" in memecoins.
>CIA anti-communism is when the proletariat fights against capitalist statesIf those capitalist states are fighting against the west and the CIA/western governments are supporting this "proletariat" "fighting for freedom" or some shit, yes it absolutely is anti-communism. It used to be called SOLIDARNOSC
>>2906431If the USSR was capitalist, and imperialist USA/UK was supporting german proles fighting against it would still be wrong.
Textbook marxism after the 1st international.
>>2906439> if the proletariat is class collaborationist and the bourgeoise is proto-communist> ifStill, the chinese bourgeoise is way more proto-communist than whoever voted for trump. I speak as someone who voted for trump 3 times. I don't regret it because he brought america closer to communism than any other president, but I became a communist after he turned out to be a retard. Still don't regret supporting him retroactively. Sorry Iranians, but Kamala would have been the more competent evil.
>>2906446Add Gorbachev to that list and Rojava.
>>2906439Lil bro acting like doesn't share the same ideology without saying quite part out loud reactionary proles vs progressive bourgeoisie
>>2906448>reactionary proles vs progressive bourgeoisieI find it strange how this is the hill I am dying on even though it represents only 5% of geopolitical realities. No conflict today is prole vs bourgeoise. Maybe Venezuela/Cuba vs USA? That's the only one I will concede, but even then Cuba is already signaling some kind of deal and it pisses me off.
Faggots need to watch Brian Berletic.
>>2906455
Please learn english before talking
>>2906444>proto-communistThis is a made up category. The bourgeoisie are bourgeois. They pursue bourgeois interests, which means capitalism. The fact that so many of them in China are loyal to the government just means that the government is protecting their interests.
>>2906448I honestly don't know what you're talking about. If you mean my views on Iran and the recent protests then it's not an issue of proles vs bourgeoisie but of national vs imperialist bourgeoisie. If the Iranian workers had any sort of coherent organization and program I would obviously be inclined to support that. But they don't, so I'm not inclined towards spontaneous demonstrations that will in practice only make things worse, even if workers are participating and have legitimate grievances.
>>2906459No, fuck imperialist language everyone should only speak communism.
>>2906465>They pursue bourgeois interestsAs if proles don't purse bourgeois interests
We can measure how proto-communist bourgeois are by how willing they are to sacrifice their ownership for the good of others. So far, western proles are nowhere near this. I am willing to bet a sizeable portion of chinese bougies are up to this. But I could be wrong.
>>2906467I broke you kek.
>>2906467not even in your dreams.
if the world is not the way you want it to be, maybe problem is you and you should say goodbye to this world
>>2906469uygha we don't even have unions here.
worka my bolka to my tolka
>>2906473Unions are an instrument of bourgeois subversion and yes you have underground unions.
Everyone is behind the new climate standard
>>2906474hey i find a random twitter user sharing their opinion, that means 90 millions of people also have that opinion right?
>>2906475breathing is also what bourgeois do, stop breathing my comrade.
>>2906478You WVLL fight for the international revolution
You WVLL struggle against your own country
You WVLL abolish the borders
And you WVLL like it
>>2906474The only dancing will be done by israelis when american bombs fall on you.
>>2906480What if my country is objectively progressive and globalism will just bring capitalism to it? Socialism in one country : All countries becoming socialist. Funny how nationalism is the closest communism had to total world domination (early 1960s peak)
>>2906479Watch the sub-hour fucking video getting education won't make you drop dead and they say Iranians are educated lmao
>>2905588 >>2906482
I hope you are right, but so far they have been bombing Iran. Didn't they strike a wedding 2 days ago?
>>2906483Globalism is progressive, retard haven't even read the festo.
>>2906486No it is not. Retard didn't read Marx past the paris commune.
>>2906487
You are new to this site.
No idea why you think I support the US in this.
>>2906488The Paris commune is literally the event that mind broke Marx and made him go on a crusade against the state. Kys theorylet
>>2906490ESL retard. US military is killing your civilians and you think it's not a problem. Cucktin levels of delusion.
>>2906491Parliamentarism =/= state. Kys bordigafag.
>>2906493
Sure thing glowie. How's the weather at Elgin?
>>2906495
>whole 300 million pigs
Umm chudbro proles and pocs live there
Both of you are awful
>>2906495
Ok based. Why are you a christian anarchist? I thought you were shia?
<It's spurdo not pedobear.
>>2906498
You're literally an Armernian gigamutt living in muttstan #2 albeit
>>2906502
>my skin is pink
See? I told you
>>2906502
>armenian christian
Ok makes sense.
>>2906437>No, but if the proletariat is class collaborationist and the bourgeoise is proto-communist then objectively the bourgeoise is the better option. so communism is when workers collaborate with multipolar porky to kill proles that dont want to collaborate with multipolar porky because not wanting to collaborate with multipolar porky is actually class collaborationism
makes sense
>>2906513More like multipolar porky is more favorable to communism than globalist porky. With multipolar porky you have 15% chance of communism. With globalist porky you have 0%.
FDR and Churchill: first multipolars
Nazi Germany: first epstein class
>>2906469Wow! some random Iranian graffitied a communist slogan!(assuming it isn’t ai) Never mind the fact most Iranian workers have either decided to back the islamists or back the monarchists. Does iran even have a proper communist party?
>>2906515>multipolar porky is more favorable to communismSo true!
>>2906437>and the bourgeoise is proto-communistMein gott
>>2905970The US has been trying to strangle Iran economically for a while now. The idea that the United States is just devastating Iran's economy now more than they ever have is cope and war propaganda.
>>2906469Is this dude still going on about the "Arak soviet"? Lmfao let it go bro, it was never real
>>2906550iran is under sanctions for over 30 years now. if that was gonna put it under their knees it would have happened a long time ago.
basically trump went
sanctions didn't worked so let's have a war.
war didn't worked let's go for sanctions again.
US as a country is a clown
>>2906539it is every unreadable.it is farsi but i can't even tell what it is saying.
>>2906539Hue and cry timmy
>>2906602You are the biggest larper itt
>>2906502
Empires are for losers.
>>2906609No YOUR post is fascinating bro. How bout you complain some more?
>>2906612>Ll…l..LARPBooooring, contribute something to the thread already
>>2906615You said nothing tho
>>2906613I’m out of patience towards people who reason and talk like him
>>2906616Come now, you know that’s not true.
>>2906619Lmao you’re so pissed over feeling called out
>>2906620No I just get annoyed by people complaining without contributing anything to the thread themselves
idgaf about you "calling out" anyone
>>2906621What contribution? All I see is trolls and nationalist schizos arguing with a mentally ill Christian.
>>2906626
Countty and communism is oxymoron. Communism is the absence of country/state
Watch the fucking video retard
>>2906626
You’re joking, right? Did I say I was a worldview-marxist?
No?
Then I’m not interested in hearing about cultish behavior from a Christian that’s spent their past week doing nothing but identitarian bitching online.
>>29066022035 Will Smith in Chicago
>>2906632
Honestly you sound like you’re just projecting given that you decided you had nothing better to do with your life than to spend all day picking fights online over identitarian grievances.
>I used to have an empire!
Join the club.
>>2906642
>doing this all day
>calling others losers
>>2906649
>it's summer i am free and bored
anon that is incredibly sad.
>>2906624apparently posting news is bad because twitter is bad or smth
>>2906655anon, listen, i know you got nothing else to do, cause your here. Im not gonna blame you for being here, im also here. What i am gonna do is see that you see that you've decided to make a stand on a hill that is not worth the time or effort to put into it with people you dont agree with. Can you think of literally anything else better to do with your time? Like, read a book maybe? Or talk to a friend. By all means, do what you want, but dont waste a day here getting into pointless little arguments with people if you have literately anything else to do.
Im doing like 3 things at the moment; this is just one of them and thats mostly of those are because im tired from working yesterday. There will be plenty of time to argue about war, you won't miss it, I promise. Please, go do something better with your day, you will be happier for it.
>>2906656marx in term of economical knowledge is undoubtedly brilliant.
but overall lf his ideology is idealistic and won't work IRL. why because humans are greedy piece of shits that always want to monopolize power and money for themselves.
they don't care, they won't share.
and he saying industralism is on shoulder of workers , and they finally will come to realization that they are the main muscle and will overthrow fuedalized leadership never happened irl.
even russia the military got in power not thr peasent or the working class.
–
socialism is the diet version of capitalism
communism was needed to happen for US, it made cappies to realize they can't just rape the peasants infinitely for all their money. they had to cool it down and share it a bit. nowadays capitalism is a diet version compared to those days.
it gave birth to socialism, and no i don't mean the gay woke shit that we're seeing today.
i mean the parts that they give you some advantages (like human rights).
such as insurance, retirement money, 8 hours works, better pay gap etc etc.
also no, asking for better healthcare is not communism.
>>2906670
M8 that just sounds like untreated adhd and depression. I know. I also do that. Its also why I'm saying, please try and do something else with your day.
>>2906664uygha, i play video games i watch youtube, and i am in 5 other image boards.
and i argue in every single of those even at the same fucking time.
i am a fucking psychopath who loves cortisol.
i love pain, i am ben motha fucking shapiro if he was actually good at debating.
i am a christian my whole life i was debating atheist and satanists and my brain turn into metal
>>2906672bro fuck your videos, no one watches them.
stalinism, marxism, leninism, maoism, same shit different bowl.
>>2906673i don't have depression uygha stop with daddy gaslighting talks and i am not a psycho.
piece of shit. if you can't handle me its yor problem.
this thread is about Iran and as an iranian i will be in it.
that's my responsibility.
you won't talk ill of my country behind my back.
>>2906675>i don't have depressionSure bud. Thats why you here, definitely not the act of a depressed person to start internet arguments and plan to do so all day. That's clearly the actions of a person having a good and fine time.
>>2906674You will watch the most important video in your pathetic life
>>2906676i can assure you 80 percent of people here don't even have an actual job.
politics is for discussion and debate and arguement, always was always will be.
tf are u on?
i guess your dumbass imagery is that i am an amgry guy yelling at the cloud huh?
dude i am a hipster deepshit with the most boring motone voice ever who doesn't take shit seriously.
>>2906515>More like multipolar porky is more favorable to communism than globalist porkyhere is what multipolar porky actually does:
>>2857153 >>2906686notice how none of the usual multipolar cope addicts even tried to defend their beloved porky in that thread with 5D chess nonsense, I think its because deep down they know they are just retards that fell dengist bullshit psyops kek
>>2906692>if you point out the delusion of believing in le proto-communist bourgeoisie you are heccing baitingk
>>2906696its the morons that believe class collaboration is the real movement that need to go back to rightist shitholes where they belong
>>2906698still unsubtle 🎣 try again
>>2906674So basically you’re a pseudo-intellectual shut-in with an ego
>>2906698You don't understand, the western worKKKer must fall in line with the ayatollas for communism to manifest because geopolitics, a substack article has foreseen this
leftypolers will look you straight to the eyes and unironically call you a /pol/ baiter if you disagree with the theory that communism is when le multipolar capitalist states gun down organized labor in order to keep trademaxxing with the US and joining trump's board of peace
what is even going on in this website bro
>>2906725The consequences of settling for "good enough" rather than "communism"
>>2906725This is a Iran thread. Keep your low effort /ISG/ anti communist bait to yourself. No one gives a shit I promise you
>>2906656>We are concerned with the world as it really existsI thought you were only concerned with seething at islamists
>>2906725Ukraine melted everybody’s mind and it attracted teenage morons who think that pretending to be an anti-communist strawman is gonna totally trigger their lib parents
>>2906690Not defending them. I am ashamed of them. But this is all China and Russia's fault because they are too pussy to fight US head on and both love zionists because of shekels or something. It's just that the left is so utterly defeated we have to attach ourselves to actually existing bourgeoise to get crumbs of communism. As I said earlier, with multipolaroids you get 15% chance of communism, with the west, you get 0%.
>>2906742>inb4 it's all the arab countries fault for not standing up for Palestine!How can they when it is the duty of the 2nd world former communist countries to wage butlerian jihad against the west.
>>2906745The arab and west asian countries chose the religger route made for them by the US and the west because if they went secular and smart tjey would have created a geopolitical block and given too much expectations to their working class, Iran litteraly took the American way politically just like ISIS but people here act like it's the star wars resistance because they get bombed. Bro everyone get bombed by the US you're not special
>>2906749I hate that I have to agree with you. Cuck warfare undefeated.
>>2906742>both love zionists because of shekels wow is almost like capitalists like money and will throw workers under the bus everytime they have the chance for it even if they market themselves as le multipolar so braindead middle class americans like you cheer for them when they gun down third world communists!
>>2906749The Arabs already tried opposing Israel as a unified bloc, and under secular ideologies like nationalism and socialism. They failed. That's why the
>RETVRN TO ISLVM bullshit became popular in the first place; because the Arabs themselves argued that they couldn't beat Israel without turning back to tradition and Allah since Soviet weapons, ethnonationalism, and nationalization of the economy only led to successive defeats. Therefore they need to kill Ba'athist Iraq, Ba'athist Syria, Qaddafi's Libya, and all other states that are too secular so that Allah will smile upon them once more and finally grant them victory over the hated Zionist regime.
>>2906725This is your brain on bordiga party
>>2906725OF COURSE. TRVKE. the idea is to make the word redder. what are you doing to stop and revert neoliberalism that is rampant in the west, more than it is what you called in "the multipolar capitalist states" besides posting here?
oh, you wanna criticize the "multipolar"? good, good. they'll be doing what they know best, but they will never be more reactionaries for the working class than literally neoliberal states. no matter how many little concessions for their workers these neoliberal governments have deployed after plundering countries that makes them look better in the eye of the brainwashed gusano class.
>>2906760>since Soviet weapons, ethnonationalism, and nationalization of the economy only led to successive defeatsStrange how that was when they were the closest to winning. Now they have no chance. The soviets were pussies who didn't want to fight zios and the muricans.
>when they gun down third world communists!Because third world communists are agents of imperialism. They almost always operate in countries in confrontation with the west that allow them to exist. They always help imperialism. Where are these communists in USA waging protracted people's war against the retarded labor aristocrats and pmcs? I will only support third world communists once they organize mongol raiding parties and start enslaving rich fags of montana and long island.
>when the happening is so much of a nothing that the thread completely veers of the topic and autistic retards with the worst opinions imaginable start spewing diarrhea at each other for days on end
>>2906762What's with this bordiga obsession of treats. Communism is not about treats. It's not about le heckin treats and healthcare for working class. It's about the mobilization of labor for a higher purpose. You ain't getting treats in the anthill bordigafags. Learn to live within your means.
>>2906749>Bro everyone get bombed by the US you're not specialwell i would love to see the day for a change everyone equally bomb US. the most deserving assholes to ever exist.
amen.
>>2906763>Because third world communists are agents of imperialism.here we go
you have to support multipolar porky because proles are all class collaborationist except when they are communists, then they are hecking CIA
Lenin got money from the germans so I guess 1917 was a NATO color revolution too right?
kek there is just no helping you yanks, you are terminally porky owned
>>2906769>Lenin got money from the germans so I guess 1917 was a NATO color revolution too right?The february revolution was NATO. The october revolution was not because Lenin took the money and didn't give it back. Tsar Nicholas should have become a communist and just went full Stalin in 1913. Too bad he was cucked. Rasputin was a good guy, but he was killed by a gay guy and the british.
>>2906765by economic data, workers in the west coomsum more, they have access to better wages and cheap products from the periphery. that's why migration happens. i used the word treats as a recurrent online theme.
>>2906762bruh we're little workers, the maximum we can do in with our class this disorganized is throw a cocktail molotov on the cops in protest but turns out it makes many prisoners unhappy when we geld the jailors. You think the the workers in the chinese owned mine in congo have it better? They don't, they probably can't even protest actually, same for china or russia or iran or whatever other worker paradise, work work work and don't go out of line or we shoot you just like in the west it's capitalism everywhere
>>2906773>They don't (have it better)they could have it worse: have a full-blown neoliberal shithole.
>>2906769Erm akshually they were the REDS, so by definition, yes, they were a color revolution, because red is a color.
>>2906772>workers in the west coomsum more>access to better wages and cheap products from the peripheryLiteral labor aristocracy that is pacified by treats so they don't develop as a species. Consumerism has killed the soul of the proletariat. Everybody is a goddamn treatler. This is why North Korea should nuke the west SO THERE ARE NO MORE TREATS and westoids learn to live within their means.
Only question is how do we ensure the elites also don't become treatlers. Every goddamn country has an elite strata of fat cats that have more than everyone else. Why can't elites have less than everyone else?
We need military feudalism with brain chip implants to control people's desires. I have no other ideas. I am not interested in wealth, I just want absolute victory over the demonic serpent race. Everything else doesn't matter.
I am coming for you serpentigena.
>>2906775at least the tune is a bit different, me a poor worker in the west has it worse with my treats than some congolese kid working in the totally not neoliberal chinese mine
I just realized that zionists are ultimate collectivists and collectivism makes zionist massacres possible.
This is the dark side of collectivism, which is why simply koombayah is not enough. The purpose must be morally good.
Sorry for the rants, I am just pissed off beyond all recognition.
>>2906778are we repeating the lies that the kids in Congo are working under chinese orders?
heh. how easy is to detect /pol/.
next time, learn to disguise yourself better
>>2906771>more schizo cope about why total commie death and porky is le good thanks for the input
>>2906764That’s just the whole site
>>2906777Based trvthnvke. The ideology you're looking for is "Barracks Communism" it was applied by Trotsky but the party hated the idea of not being elite so they sided with Stalin instead because he offered treats.
>>2906784Reading comprehension is dead on this site.
>February 1917 = Bad>October 1917 = GoodCapiche?
>>2906787Yes, I heard about Nechaev and Revcelism. If what you are saying is true, then I am sad that trotsky lost.
>>2906656>You can either be a totally committed leftcom ideologue or you uncritically support everything that semi peripheral countries doI fucking hate this website, every topic devolves into retarded leftcom shitflinging
>>2906783>this imperialism is good okay, if china payed those totally not kids the chinese wage the whole economy would collapse and I wouldn't get my treatsI know I know
>>2906787How does one create Soldiers of Communism?
We need to create a freemasonic rosicrucian esoteric cult to instill relgious dogma into communists so they are like high-functioning zombies dedicated to destroying porky mentality.
>>2906796The freemasons are bourgeois, thobeit. They created America and during the Cold War they helped the Vatican carry out terror attacks in Europe.
>>2906798Ok but you get the point
We need the Assassin's Creed Communist Party
while you guys are blabbering about a subject that ultimately not related to thread subject…
a capitalist is whipping his ass with a mil. fucked some bitches and probably dies from overdose or aids.
>>2906799Weren't the AC: London Communists whitewashed into being libtards with the game devs making Marx say that he was a pacifist who only wanted things to happen legally?
so, to sum it up, in this thread we believe communists are bad and the bourgeoisie are based, is just basic marxism really, so be careful when glowies try to tell you otherwise and make sure to report them
>>2906793just to be clear, and just because i want to clean the mess you've caused. every news coming from the congo or any other place in africa related to kids and china, the kids were arrested for trying to access places where they are not supposed to be. those countries have strict legal codes and laws that forbid their presence, and china doesn't hire them. you need to present evidence that china
hires them. you can't, except use western liberal media.
that kids still want to access those places because poverty is insane, it's not china's fault, /pol/.
and don't use words too big for you, /pol/. the word imperialism doesn't look in the mouth of unintellectual people.
>>2906801Never played that game. I was just talking about a secret society order of assassins.
>>2906805Yes, but larger.
>>2906802Go back to preschool your brain is not working. Plebbit retard.
>>2906800you are an anti-communist. you don't even post things related to the site.
>>2906800Yo, what's your opinion of Erdogan?
Or turks in general?
>>2906808What the fuck are you talking about? this is the /Iran/ thread.
>>2906812it is the only thread that i am interested in. and has nothing to do with communism
also i am not anti-communist. i just don't think it is doable.
>>2906813well as an Armenian i don't like turks for a lot of reasons. also their accent sucks.
i feel like erdogan is a putin wanna be, another forever president.
>>2906810>your brain is not workingim literally just repeating what you said moron, all third world communists are CIA and therefor need to be killed, multipolar bourgeosie is le good because they make things go boom boom very far away from where you live
this is your theory and I will protect it from glowies from now on
>>2906822it's called criticizing you dummy. it's not even commophobic.
and it is valid good critism.
>>2906823Explain to me why all these third world communists always fight against america's enemies.
>>2906817I never understood why turks didn't like armenians.
>>2906826Nah man, sorry that's standard ant-com sentiment. At it's peak communism made the west shit bricks and they didn't even know it. I wish they leaned into it but eh… sometimes heros don't know they are heros.
>>2906826that's no criticism, you strawmanning asshole. you complain that the thread goes to places unrelated to iran, but you drag the thread to places that don't belong to left-wing discourse.
do you know what i would like to have? an iranian telling me what communists switched to the islamic republic politics when it was banned, through party-hopping, and are alive today and speaking as loudspeakers of the working class politics, as much as they can, given that iran has been economically besieged pretty much like the dprk is.
i don't fucking care about the tudeh, and i don't care about anti-communism.
>>2906827That's too much of a blanket statement. There are orgs and groups that have done well. Eritrea is currently led by a Maoist. Angola is still led by Communists. Burkina Faso is moving to AES. India's Communists are also the strongest opposition to the current Indian state and for that reason are the most heavily suppressed. Laos is still led by Communists and is developing rapidly with Chinese help. In Syria the Communists were in coalition with Assad before he got overthrown and then they got banned by the new pro-Western government.
>>2906830>an iranian telling me what communists switched to the islamic republic politics when it was banned, through party-hopping, and are alive today and speaking as loudspeakers of the working class politicsThey all got killed after the Ayatollah was handed the lists of members by the CIA, thobeit.
>>2906827>explain to me why communists fight their capitalist govermentsbecause thats what communists are supposed to do, I understand is hard for you to believe because you are american and all american communists do is vote democrat, so you think third world communists should do the same and collaborate with their bourgeoisie like yanks do, but thats not how this whole class struggle (the thing marx proved produces social change, as opposed to reproducing the present state of things) thing works
>>2906831Ok, I support all those that you listed. But then the bordigafag will say they are porky adjacent because they are not dismantling their national porkies or some shit.
>>2906835>>2906834Literal pottery lol
sinbad is legit shocked that people think communists are supposed to fight capitalists instead of heliping them out lol
>>2906829nobody likes turks nor they like anyone else. ever seen balkan memes?
>sorry that's standard ant-com sentiment.idk man i feel like what i said is equivalent to say hitler mustache is ridiculous. it differs from saying all commie should die and i am redkilla
>>2906830>but you drag the thread to places that don't belong to left-wing discourse.like what? this is the most autistic confused subjectless thread here.
>i don't fucking care about the tudeh, and i don't care about anti-communism.so shut the fuck up then, stop being butt hurt over what i said.
>>2906834>so you think third world communists should do the same and collaborate with their bourgeoisieYes I already made a post about this.
>>2906348Idealism gets you killed. Oh yeah, and soviets cooperated with foreign bourgeoisie in the 1930s and it proved to be their downfall in the 1980s. Would be interesting to see if they could have done everything from scratch, but I guess it would have been too difficult so they got Henry Ford and Albert Kahn to help out.
>>2906842>Idealism gets you killed.idealism is when you think class collaboration is communism, and indeed it always gets communists killed
>>2906833i guarantee you that didn't happen. not even the ussr gor rid of all the czarist politicians. and iran has the "islamic lLeft" (jangal-e chap) so you are talking about your ass. but the anti-communist moron posing as an iranian and behaves like a chud isn't an iranian historian, nor is willing to investigate or post what they have to say, their roots, and connections.
>>2906839>hitler mustache is ridiculousHitler's stache looked good tho, and it was common before ww2. Soviet generals had it too. My point is your statement is wrong about it being pathetic or whatever. In hindsight everything looks different. I know communism back then was like China today where everyone in the decision making positions was fuming about it. Just have to read the newspapers of the time.
>>2906838No, they are supposed to fight the bigger capitalists. Otherwise you will lose to the more competent evil. Historical communist practice was always fight against the biggest danger first. Which is why they switched to fighting Nazi germany because they were the logical conclusion of western capitalism. Also support for the Amir of Afghanistan, Sianhouk etc.
>>2906843Idealism is thinking communism exists in a vacuum. Materialism is communists doing capitalism. Most developed materialism right now is Dengism.
>>2906847See you get it, but retard morons think communism is tabula rasa or some bordigist nonsense.
>>2906851
no social democracy is when you VOOOOTTTT and elect someone who promises to boost healthcare spending and then if he actually takes power then he cuts healthcare spending instead.
>>2906849>No, they are supposed to fight the bigger capitalists.thats called social-democracy, when classcucked proles help the petite-bourgeois make capitalism le gooder by getting rid of big meany porky
but again, I understand you have this confusion because you are american and everyone there calls social-democracy socialism
>>2906857>thats called social-democracyIs China a social-democracy?
>>2906857ridiculously outdated view
socdems don't even bother to put anti-trust policies into their election platforms anymore
and socdems also support imperialism and every action against "le regimes" from sanctions to espionage to sanctions et al.
the mask has fallen completely off. even kautsky was better than the current crop of genocidal imperialists wearing the dead skinsuit called "social democracy".
ironically despite your leftKKKom kkkracker pretentions you are closer to their views than you are to actual marxism because just like them you support all agitation and harsh policies against foreign states that you don't like.
>>2906857Give me an example of a "pure" communist country plox. I beg you so I can understand your retardation more.
>>2906859imo yes, but again, I understand since you are american you believe its a "communist country" because the goverment is doing things that are wholesome
>>2906849>Hitler's stache looked good thoi won't argue it did suit him. but i meant in a pointless criticism.
>My point is your statement is wrong about it being pathetic or whatever.it was, for most countries under communism they were shithole unless china, even tho US sanctioning them had a huge impact. but my point stand, communism in action doesn't showed as being a good thing for the poeple.
>>2906865>I understand since you are american you believe its a "communist country" because the goverment is doing things that are wholesome<Communist Manifesto, Chapter 2:Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
- Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
- A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
- Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
- Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
- Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
- Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
- Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
- Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
- Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
- Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
>>2906864>Give me an example of a "pure" communist country ploxcommunist country is an oxymoron, you might as well believe in anti-imperialist colonialism
>>2906870>communist country is an oxymoronyeah soviet is a planet and china is a galaxy.
you guys fighting over auntie elayne's rose pattern blanket.
>>2906875he wont, he is proud in being ignorant like all reactionaries, just like the yanks here that he feels so superior to because we wuz persians and shieet
>>2906875you know what???!!! okay
sent it again
>>2906866>they were shithole unless china, even tho US sanctioning them had a huge impact. but my point stand, communism in action doesn't showed as being a good thing for the poeple.In the time they were around, they had comparable levels of urban development with the west. The whole criticism was not the infrastructure (which is the main criteria for being a shithole) but primitive consumer goods, i.e. treats. Yugoslavia did not have consumer good issues so there you go. East Germany and Czechoslovakia also had better consumer goods situation than USSR so it was not all monolithic. If you think peak socialism is pathetic, I don't know how you can compare that to the 90s, which was actual peak pathetic existence. For example under communism, bulgaria had an electronics industry. After they switched to capitalism, it was all gone because "we can just buy from the west". Even Armenia had an automotive industry, and now, well…
Communism showed in action being a much better thing for the people than what came after. It needed to evolve but it was correct at its essence.
>>2906868Most of those things were debunked by actually existing communism. Good luck having no border bordigafag. Good luck having no inheritance. If you go through the list, each point is either inapplicable or incomplete. But muh 10 commandments!!!
>>2906882Leave your brainrot at the door and watch at 1x speed. The guy has a soothing voice and good writing, you won't get bored. If you're confused by something ask.
This is closer to what Marxism is than everything you've been indoctrinated into believing + heard from online "marxists"
>>2906888>debunked by actually existing communismyou mean dengoid Vietnam joining Trump's Board of Peace to help Israel colonize Palestine anti-imperialistically? Or do you mean the USSR aka actually non-existing socialism in one country?
>>2906888i will respond to that later.
>>2906894okay then. i'll watch.
uyghas really call it actually existing socialism like 40 years later after it stopped existing and then they call you idealist 💀💀💀 you can make this shit up
>>2906907
>planes flying low doing recons across the port
Now I know this will not happen because you need to just hide low altitude AA and it's a turkey shoot. Unless they are planning multi-domain operations, but then the ships become targets.
>>2906894Having fully watched the video, all I can say this is literal bordiga garbage idealism. Socialism in one country has proven to be the most successful manifestation of marxism. Everything else was destroyed. The fact of bad decisions does not preclude this. What if communism took over china earlier than it did? What if that would have been worse for china? Any ideology that is too difficult and requires 100% control to be implemented is dangerous and flawed. Capitalism doesn't need 100% control to advance, why can't communism do the same? idealist nonsense.
>>2906914i am still in ten minutes….
how?
so far my takes is that neither soviet or china are communist, because they have state and money and market and classes.
so communism never will exist cause bitches need money to fuck em and people still come with bullshit to differ themselves from others. talents and education and other attributions creates different classes.
and all of them have borders so…
no matter what i am right about communism being idealistic richkid utopian sci-fi fantasy.
>>2906915didn't read on the final victory award
>>2906917How about you don't ask the retard who thinks your theocracy is communism?
>so communism never will existWatch the rest
>>2906915> It is what Marx and Lenin wroteIf this is what they wrote, then they are wrong. There I said it. The prophet of communism was wrong.
Why does communism have to be a rejection of everything that makes it possible while being the simultaneous vindication of those things?
Any bordigafag is a no-true-scotsman CIA tool.
>>2906921>theocracy is communism?well in that case he is wrong.
theocracy = monarchy + religion
>>2906923>The prophet of communism was wrong. is this even remotely possible for human to have society where market + class + borders doesn't exist? i beg to say
NO >>2906924No Marxist will reply to you until you finish the video. Enjoy the anti-marxist circlejerk with fellow liberals
>>2906924>>2906925This is the Iran thread, shut the fuck up.
>>2906915>Introducing socialism means abolishing commodity production, abolishing the money system, razing capitalism to its foundations and socialising all the means of production.such a goated quote, its a shame he libbed out later on
>>2906948I always wonder what that would look like, even as a simulation. Workers and Resources Soviet Republic? Who came close to this?
>>2906925it was a garbage fucking video that convinced me marxism is retarded.
please i don't wanna hear about it anymore thank you.
>>2906958>I always wonder what that would look likeit looks like proles fighting porky instead of riding its dick like you want them to do
>>2906969It was a stupid video. Very idealistic and probably made by the CIA.
>>2906970What comes after the fighting?
>>2907020
>my picture: Iraqi shia getting run over
>your picture: Iraqi shia being tortured
Why can't Irannies into banter?
>>2906725>what is even going on in this website broTerminal schizophrenia
Sometimes there are semi-lucid responses
doe >>2906914 >i wish nothing good upon you
>good luck
Iranni excellence
Iraq let go of almost all its Iranian POWs in 1990 seeking Iran's good graces in preparation for US attack, yet Iran took the opportunity of a weakened Iraq to keep held thousands of POWs until 2003. Iranians didn't have to cross the dangerous border in the 90s to visit their families, Iraqis did, and they were Shias btw.
>>2907026
>pic
mfw MLkiddies tell me a state that literally doesnt exist anymore is better than anything else because everything else got destroyed as opposed to this non-existent state
>>2907042
>iran did not harmed any iraqi POWs. nor raped any iraqi women
Bro drank the IRGC cool aid
Habibi I'm not playing victim, it was an imperialist war, proles killed each others. You're the one acting like Iran is a sinless moral force that exists outside of history.
>>2907047
>iran was innocent at this war
If that was the case the war would've ended in 1982 with Iraq paying reparations, instead of Islamists prolonging the war to entrench their power and expand at the cost of millions of lives. During an imperialist war in capitalist society it's silly to point to this or that "war criminal" when the whole international system is responsible, and yes I don't blame bush for the invasion of Iraq like radlibs do.
>khuzestani arabs from iran
And they were ethnically and culturally cleansed afterwards, to the extent that many turned saddamists after the war. Just like 80% of the Iraqi army were shias who fought for le nation and refused to defect to their shia bros only to be massacred afterwards.
>>2907050yeah they did scratch the war more but would you trust iraqis with their promises?
>And they were ethnically and culturally cleansed afterwards, to the extent that many turned saddamists after the war.khuzestani arabs became saddamist?
are you fucking retarded?
no don't explain. i already know
>>2907051khuzestani arabs today are the chuddiest pan arabists retards in the region since they were displaced and repressed by the regime they started retroactively eating up ba'athist propaganda.
Are you going to defend Iran's position in the 1970s war next? When it jumped Iraq with Israel and the US which gave chuddam the justification for the 80s war?
>>2907052no they aren't pan arabists, they're just arabs and they didn't got cleansed.
bro fuck off with this, your y is actually true but x happened.
>When it jumped Iraq with Israel and the US which gave chuddam the justification for the 80s war?yes and fuck you.
The Sumer-Elam war happened 4600 years ago. Can't we ever discuss something MODERN
>>2907059US-Iran is going absolutely nowhere.
either fuck or fuck off.
>>2907060>either fuck or fuck off.i meant that's the option for the US
Leftypol was pretty cocky a few weeks ago but now even the most delusional seem to have accepted that Iran is a cuck state that was a paper tiger all along and is losing
>>2907920Just go back to your ballroom
>>2907925>>2907920If you don't have anything worthwhile to say you don't have to say anything.
>>2907920two more weeks, just two more weeks.
US is litterally getting its ass kick by a leaderless sanduygha ,how pitty and shameful is that?
>>2907920even maga or fox news commenters are shitting on the current government.
"from no more wars" to "they want a deal so bad"
that's how pathetic US is in the eyes of the world rn
you are either an arab or a burger there is no way someone can smoke that ammount of copium or crack without realizing it is pure delusional that US did a good job.
>>2907928You realize every burger on here thinks it’s hilarious that Iran is winning, right
>>2907920They aren’t running out of missiles.
>>2907931>no one expected Iran to "DEFEAT THE WHOLE WEST"havent you been reading the thread? this is what multipolaroids actually believe, its their entire justifcation for their enthusiastic support for the iranian goverment putting socialists in mass graves kek
>>2907935i gave up to believe those mf actually have souls let alone being smart.
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anyway this vid belongs here
>>2907937let's instead of talking about how realistic that is, let's talk about why the hell people hate united state of misery this much.
look it for fuck sake.
>>2907946>let's talk about why the hell people hate united state of misery this much.for me? its their ardent anti-communism, even when they are leftists they cant scape it
and since you share this trait with them, I declare you honorary yank
>>2907947uygha stop acting like you're different.
and shouting buzzwords wouldn't change anything.
>>2907937Nobody cares about your gay little slap fights with the 'multipolaroids'. Fuck off back wherever you came from.
>>2907931sanduyghurs have much better k/d than you howeverbeit
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