/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2909442
Is CPUSAnon in the list?

>>2909452
We can hope

So what are the chances of a revolution in the US in the next 5 years

>>2909459
The Catholic Church is historically progressive and must be critically supported against zio-evangeliSSm.

>>2909465
6.7%

>>2909474
Wrong. Christianity was historically progressive and the Catholic church is one of the major steongholds of anti-imperialist resistance in places like Latinx America, Palestine and Lebanon against zio-evangeliKKKal reaction.

>>2909442
>>2909444
>>2909452
>Anti-CPUSA types are Pro-ICE
Imagine my shock.

>>2909442
They should deport the ACP instead

We know you’re some Haz fanboy using a bot to LARP as characters. Fuck off

immortal truke

>>2909483
Notice the divide in their relation to the means of production. Swamp communist, bring a communist, is an actual wage worker in the industrial sector. The “anarchist turtle” by contrast makes a living e-begging and prostituting himself, a decadent parasitic fascist of the worst sort

>>2909496
factory status?

Honestly think if a US revolution is to succeed it needs to take inspiration from Mao and the form of a Protracted People's War.
Portland anarchist meth addicts won't defeat the government. You won't radicalise the masses by running an LA based Marxist book club or a New York vegan cafe.
You need socialists to move to where the struggle and poverty is worst, out in deepest Appalachia, in the deep South, in the Midwest rust belt.
Get to helping the local communities out there, earning their trust, educating the locals on class struggle gradually by example not lectures.
If there's class war in the US it will begin in West Virginia and Mississippi.
Don't think rural people are stupid, can't be revolutionaries, they've just been abandoned to the forces of reaction because most "socialists" don't want to engage with real rural poverty because it's hard work and requires more than book reading.

>>2909465
zero

From the desk of Jack wilimos:”according to Carolina journal at least 4.7% of North Carolinans would be willing to vote for me. nThis shows the immortal science of Marxism-Leninism can win in this senate race.”

>>2909499
Issue is that rural people have been shrinking in number and they're also really fucking old. You don't have millions of young and angry proletarians in the countryside like you used to, so it'd be the first senior citizens revolution. Meanwhile urban people are too fake and gay for it.

>>2909499
Those people aren’t Hakka peasants, they don’t grow their own food, what are you gonna do to literally feed and clothe your insurgency? Rob the dollar general at gunpoint before ending up on youtube bodycam footage?

>>2909465
10% but from the right.
0% from everywhere else.

>>2909483
Bringing Lenin into this is dumb because there is no revolutionary essence in modern america. There is nothing proscriptive. Nobody wants to do x. What they want if for the elite to stop doing x which never makes it past popular discontent stage. The American Revolution at the very least had a clear prescriptive goal: independence. Good luck finding a "what is to be done" in modern America a sizeable chunk of the country agrees on.

>>2909507
>There is nothing proscriptive.
<Prescriptive I meant
Goddamn my grammar is dying

>>2909503
>You don't have millions of young and angry proletarians in the countryside
Simply untrue, and right now they're being indoctrinated by MAGA
>>2909504
>they don’t grow their own food, what are you gonna do to literally feed and clothe your insurgency?
Do you think food is grown in the cities? You think something like another CHAZ could grow their own food?

>>2909510
Okay so you’re gonna take over the local tyson plant until all the petit bourgeois farmers stop feeding your facility product and it’s getting bombed by state police. That’s not a plan

>>2909512
>getting bombed by state police
Is there a revolution where they won't do this?

>>2909520
Yes. If there is a fascist coup d'etat.

Thoughts on Templar Martin and his Catholic monarchism hes influencing the us
https://youtube.com/@templar.martin?si=EC-a-vygy-AofQ59
He seems pretty reactionary if you ask me

>>2909510
>>2909512
Proles in the American countryside have been able to be relatively food-independent before and they can be relatively food-independent again. Inherent to the work of reconsitituting the Party in such a way that it has revolutionary potential is going to the rural masses, ensuring that they have what they need, and educating them along the way.

>>2909529
And they will remain deeply reactionary if we don't educate and serve them. They are being lied to by the bourgeoisie and this is not a difficult thing to demonstrate to them. Even their local bourgeoisie: the large employers, the megachurch pastors, the people who own the land half the town works and/or lives on, are despicable dishonest people who can only maintain their power by driving the masses insane with conspiracy theories about how the Queen of England is a lizard person. Our class enemies have put a lot of effort into keeping the rural masses from class consciousness. This only makes it more important to struggle with them and integrate ourselves among them.

>>2909459
trvke

Honkoid status?

>>2909528
>Proles in the American countryside have been able to be relatively food-independent before and they can be relatively food-independent again.
such would indicate reversing the development of centralization of production which is very difficult

happening

how long until leftypol shuts down

thoughts? comments?

>>2909546
Yes, we must undertake a very large amount of very difficult work. A People's War capable of winning and holding territory could probably not be instigated for another decade at the very least. Before every progressive revolution in history, the masses have been deeply reactionary until they were educated and until revolutionary ideas were able to reach them.

>>2909552
>People's War
larp city

someone make an iran thread

>>2909553
Protracted poopoo peepee war

>>2909556
Fine

>>2909556
>someone make a nothingburger thread
nah

>>2909557
giga says this

>>2909550
I think aFD will win in 2029 since ther is no left in Germany even worse then in the USA I’d say
>>2909553
Shut the fuck up no larp here
>>2909556
>>2909559
Theres a Ukraine war thread doe why not for Iran?

>>2909561
>Theres a Ukraine war thread doe why not for Iran?
i am of the opinion that there should be a single /nothingburger general/ where all that shit is contained

>>2909561
maoist roleplayers aren't getting the war they jerk themselves off over until america gets invaded by a more technologically advanced superpower, so maybe in a few hundred years after the oceans boil away all the ice and the world is radically different

>>2909564
Do this
>>2909565
Maoists are basically mls that Dont like China and mls are the only way so…. The USA will become communist and I like encircling the cities especially in America that’s a great idea

burger status?

>>2909561


Get in here

>>2909568

>>2909553
Are you even a Marxist if you don't take the idea of revolution seriously?

>>2909575
Ok
>>2909571
Burger level: pickle

>>2909577
revolution is of course inevitable, but without a universal external enemy like the invading japanese it won't be arriving in the form of a peoples war, with these present circumstances and with our level of capitalistic development revolution is most likely to sprout from being on the losing side of an global imperialist war

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS YOURUBE IS FUCKING RUINING THE UK WHST THE FUUUUCK also the video is relevant
TRIANGLEGATE

>>2909510
Remote rural places are beyond fucked demographically
https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2025/may/as-rural-populations-grow-older-communities-increasingly-rely-on-smaller-labor-force

>>2909596
this basically means that if you think you're going to be having a revolt in some rural region it's basically just asking for the Berlin Volkssturm as a revolutionary force

like over a quarter of people in even the youngest areas are over 65 America is just a senile gerontocracy rn

>>2909465
The most "revolution" you will see is a Huey Long movement and even that is unlikely but crazier things have happen

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/09/excluding-certain-canadian-alcoholic-beverages-from-importation-into-the-united-states-in-response-to-continued-discrimination-against-the-commerce-of-the-united-states-with-respect-to-alcoholic-bever/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/09/excluding-certain-canadian-products-from-importation-into-the-united-states-in-response-to-continued-discrimination-against-the-commerce-of-the-united-states-with-respect-to-dairy/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/09/excluding-certain-canadian-products-from-importation-into-the-united-states-in-response-to-continued-discrimination-against-the-commerce-of-the-united-states-with-respect-to-motor-vehicles/

Looks like Canadian whisky is officially illegal in the United States or something

they just found nazis hibernating in antarctica(THERE ARE FEDERAL AGENTS OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE)

>>2909597
It's not just the US, it's most of the first, and even second world. Humanity is aging.

>>2909499
>>2909503
>>2909504
>>2909510
>>2909512
>>2909528
>>2909566

Why the fuck are there so many larpers today? Why are you trying to encircle cities which hold the vast majority of communist sympathizers while also over focusing on the most reactionary parts of the country? Why are you asking stupid questions about food security like agriculture is still run by long lines of experienced farmers and not fucking robots and corps.

>>2909611
Why are people pretending 40s-50s and even 60s can't protest or fight? You would swear that after 30 no one would fight and you are one foot in the grave

>>2909617
This is America

>>2909615
They believe that rural people are more moral and haven't degenerated like the city.

>>2909620
Then they really shouldn’t be dictating any strategy then due to their moralism. And honestly, I don’t think they’ve been paying attention to the current state of rural communities at all either.

>>2909615
Because rural areas most oppressed and you need them in a civil war and Im not like some Maoist position th is even Naz thinks this most communist think this also rural areas the most poor way less lumpen’s then in cities Theres so many good reasons to encircle the cities no larps here

>>2909627
Bullshit, rural areas in the US are resorts for the rich and more or less retirement homes

>>2909627
>Because rural areas most oppressed
That doesn’t make them worthwhile or useful either
>you need them in a civil war
Name one reason
>also rural areas the most poor way less lumpen’s
Where the hell do you think cops, militia folk, and military service members come from? You know, the main people sent to squash a revolution?
>Theres so many good reasons to encircle the cities
Name one

The supposed “food” you’re starving the cities of is cornslop in a “ppw” situation. This isn’t to mention the current ongoing ppws are completely military failures that are dying out, naxalites and the NPA have fucking terrible reputations in India and the Philippines, that’s not even necessarily their fault but it’s the objective reality on the ground.

>>2909630
>rural areas in the US are resorts for the rich
So the black belt, Indian reservations and rural Appalachia are resorts for the rich I guess. These takes is why the left has went extinct in rural areas because you stereotyped the rural larp of a country life by suburbanites vs the actual inhabitants in rural areas.

>>2909617
The old folks are usually more motivated by nostalgia slop than anything else. The far right is able to make inroads with these groups simply by saying "we're gonna make the country go back to the way it wus"
And yes, as the Ukraine war has shown, middle aged folks absolutely can fight. But not as well as twenty somethings can.

>>2909634
>black belt
Includes urban areas
>Indian reservations
A clear exception
>rural Appalachia
Better described as a heavily exploited locale that still harbors bourgeois enclaves.

>>2909617
Future ACW cavalry.

>>2909634
Why do rural people need out of touch urban PMCs to organize them.

>>2909642
> its what kim jong un and stalin would have do

Are they in the room with us right now or are they six feet under

>>2909505
thats a coup

>>2909642
Kill yourself reactionary

>>2909539
It should be called the spacy

>>2909634
The coalition of minorities will never take power

>>2909656
Source?

>>2909661
All the history of the united states leading up to this point, if the white majority masses are the enemy, the battle is already over and you’ve lost. Not to mention the actual historical subject here is the haute bourgeois, the proletariat since the new deal has been fully domesticated.

>>2909642
shut up /pol/

>>2909664
>white majority masses
>Not to mention the actual historical subject here is the haute bourgeois
You sound like a chud

>>2909453
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>>2909442
chat, is this samefagging? I couldn't find evidence of the claim.

>>2909668
I’d like communism but that doesn’t mean there’s any route to get it here outside of JDPON naval landings or wholesale state collapse first.

>>2909669
redtext happeningspammer always does htis

>>2909671
Definitely a chud

>>2909673
Where’s the proletariat then? It’s not here

>>2909630
That’s only white settlers in some areas of the west
>>2909632
If you only have cities tge capitalists can encircle the cities them being opposed means THEYRE more revolutionary and rural areas arent just your average gated Texan community and if your just in a city they can easily siege it
>>2909640
Not every rural American is like this

>>2909676
And before I get banned for dubious reasons, by proletariat I mean people that have jobs and also nothing to lose. Everyone has something to lose, you have your job to lose, your family, your access to millions of hours of entertainment.

>>2909679
Chud

>>2909680
Posting here is a vent that keeps you pacified, the internet is the real life version of the samizdat

>>2909678
>If you only have cities tge capitalists can encircle the cities
You are advocating for exclusive focus on rural revolution. If an American town gets encircled, that is even worse, especially when consider the poor conditions they’re generally in. There’s not much to hold in an American compared to a city. And on top of this, you actually have to convince them in the first place to join a revolutionary movement in the first place.
>rural areas arent just your average gated Texan community
You’re right. They’re generally worse.

>>2909685
You’re choosing to shut your brain off, I get it, that feels good, I do it all the time

>>2909642
If communist leader does x it is good. If capitalist leader does x it is bad. Never forget this again leftychud.

>>2909617
once you hit 40 in america you can't survive without a constant drip feed of medication

>>2909688
The country is way too overmedicated on rat poison.

>>2909689
If anything we’re undermedicated for all the poison in the food, air, and water

>>2909690
>>2909689
It is simultaneously both

>>2909684
No im advocating for the urban and rural only pol pot beleive it’s only the rural
Rural areas are wore very poor

>>2909703
>No im advocating for the urban and rural
Your plan is to encircle cities with not a single mention of encirclement and routing of rural areas. You want a exclusively rural focus to take on urban areas.

When the fuck will this Sakai bullshit die off already? It's been over half a century of this COINTELPRO "Left" and its accomplished nothing but endless permutations of Van Jones and Barack Obama.
>>2909656
>The coalition of minorities will never take power
All you have to do is pay some of them off with positions in academia and the Democratic Party and they'll forget all about "socialism." It's not like they hated capitalism all that much or had a coherent definition of socialism in the first place.
>>2909684
>There’s not much to hold in an American compared to a city. And on top of this, you actually have to convince them in the first place to join a revolutionary movement in the first place.
And no better way to do that than to tell them that they're an ontologically evil enemy that has more in common with Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk than other workers.
>>2909550
Think about it this way: If today's Right wants America's version of Netanyahu, tomorrow's Right will want their own Nayib Bukele.

>>2909709
>And no better way to do that than to tell them that they're an ontologically evil enemy that has more in common with Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk than other workers.

I haven’t said any of this. What I have noted though anime poster is that the areas you are trying to convince happens to places that produce the most soldiers and defenders of the bourgeoisie, and are more liable to shoot communist sympathizers. And I have noted you and others have been quite strange in your insistence to ignore urban centers, which happen to contain the largest holdouts of communist sympathizers.

'chives are caught up, was gone for a while, haven't baked for a few threads

>>2909638
The black belt is predominantly rural what are you talking about. But the point is you painted rural America in one brush that is mostly only white settlers in some areas of the west but not most people in rural areas who are some of the most impoverished in the country. The goal should be to form a coalition with rural communities as well

>how does a settler-imperialist nation transform itself into a decolonized socialist commonwealth

you mean how do you hit "undo" on bulldozing an entire continent and killing a hundred million indigenous people and turning it into a gigantic slave plantation/company town for 250 years? good question. maybe we could invent that "history eraser" button from ren & stimpy.

>>2909727
Biden was more unpopular
Americans have TDS fatigue now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56SN_91gitM

Why did the Channel 5 and other "left centrists" try to Astro turf this guy so much. He and the Bidens were corrupt as fuck and got away with shit the average person wouldn't because of family connections.

>>2909743
Channel 5's also implicated

>>2909743
Just tell us who you're talking about.

>>2909743
Because they're spectacle-brained retards. Seriously if you ever enjoyed channel 5, you are a brainrotted zoomer

>>2909725
You do the negation of the negation stupid

>>2909761

"if you ever drop your keys into a river of molten lava, let em go, because man, they're gone." - jack handey

I am a newfag to this thread. Do people generally consider Hasan a fed?
He’s obviously not “just a random guy”

>>2909792
He's basically a shill for the dems

>>2909800
And asmon is on a maga payroll? Or he’s just an idiot who does it for free?

>>2909801
They don't need to be "on the payroll", their interests just need to align. That said, big chance asmoid gets a magacheck

>>2909802
Just the more I look at it the more I see it as a fake ass drama the sole goal of which is to radicalize zoomers and make them vote for a specific candidate.
Almost as if they deliberately target apolitical gamers and try get into everyone’s recommended feed.
>no you’re not going to watch gaming streams and gmod machinimas
>you WILL get skull fucked with political shorts/reels and learn about migrants in Spain or something

To be fair, 5 is too young.

>>2909804
The real scoop is that it's not just particular streamers and youtubers, but every single media personality and institution. All designed and funded to keep people within the frame of capitalist ideology, to make them think there is no alternative but to support the status quo. The political duopoly is just one aspect of this, but it has many. Trad shit, hippy shit, digital nomad nonsense, escapism, etc all perpetuates the idea that there's nothing to be done. They, the ruling class, don't even need to plan or organize this, it's a self perpetuating machine

>>2909723
>The black belt is predominantly rural what are you talking about
The black belt includes Montgomery
>But the point is you painted rural America in one brush that is mostly only white settlers in some areas of the west but not most people in rural areas who are some of the most impoverished in the country.
I am not the same anon by the way. I just corrected you on a fee things
>The goal should be to form a coalition with rural communities as well
In a significantly less than stupid manner, and without ignoring the central importance of cities.

>Trump didn't oppose UK sanctions on Israeli settlements

>"The President hasn't commented on this and neither have I. We were made aware that they are gonna make this decision. We heard their arguments as to why," Rubio said. "We share the goal of stability. We don't want to see an uptick in violence or tensions in the West Bank in a tenuous time in the region."

>On Tuesday, the White House distanced itself from comments U.S. ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee made to the BBC attacking the new sanctions.

>The White House's decision not to push back on the UK effort, which 11 other Western countries have joined, is a signal of its frustration with the Netanyahu government's policy in the West Bank.
WTF???? i thought the imperialists were all annexed by america?? they actually have agency and ambition? who knew!!!!

https://www.axios.com/2026/09/09/trump-burnham-uk-sanctions-israel-settlements-west-bank

>>2909852
The bourgeoisie are always up to something

>>2909854
what is porky's overall plan with Ben Gvir demanding the UK hand over malvinas to argentina, even though Melei just filed a criminal lawsuit against the oil drilling projects on the island that are all UK-Israeli investments? I think the obvious answer is that porky doesn't have a grand master plan and the imperialists are at each others throats over iran going sideways

>Argentina is to file criminal charges against several companies linked to Israeli oil firm Navitas for operating without authorisation in the Falklands, as Milei steps up his offensive against the Sea Lion project with new sanctions and measures to bolster territorial defence.
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/argentina-navitas-petroleum-falklands-drilling-dispute-b3046464.html

>>2909856
>I think the obvious answer is that porky doesn't have a grand master plan and the imperialists are at each others throats over iran going sideways
Still, class solidarity is always a factor. Even if they don’t agree with each other, they still know of the class war.

>>2909813
Failing to wrap one’s head around the fact that capitalist power and ideology is basically emergent crowd behavior is what turns people into chuds

>>2909709
>When the fuck will this Sakai bullshit die off already?
When dumb kids and stunted adults decide they actually want to do something instead of feel superior online

I think a lot of the discourse around vague, tailist ideas of what the working class does and doesn't want from socialists is really a reflection from the mirror. Police abolition is really one of those tail, tail ones that you could pick and see exactly what I mean.

Never in my life have I had a hard time explaining to other workers why we don't need the police, whether that was living in rural Louisiana, where the convenience store might have a sign that says, "We don't call 911 here." It's just not the culture. The idea that you need to call the police in a rural area is just a little bit ridiculous, and it's a little ludicrous, and people know that. The only time the police are coming around is because they're in your business. The government is in your business, and that's never a good thing here in America. So that's an easy group of people that, before the longest, you could get on your side about police abolition. This is, of course, pre-Black Lives Matter movement. There has been a concentrated effort to get those people to replace their "We don't call 911" signs with the thin blue line flag, and it has in some ways been successful, but the undercurrent of the bootlegger still remains all throughout rural America.

It's the same in the cities. The poorer parts of the city don't want the police around. There's never a good interaction with the fucking police. How common is it to get a text message, "Hey, just to let you know, it's off three, four police officers driving around. Just be careful out there," between law-abiding normal-ass people going about their day. It's a regular occurrence. Because again, if you are having to deal with the police, it's never a positive thing. It's always a negative thing. That might just be walking from where you live to the corner store and getting harassed by them because they got quotas to fill. They got arrests to make happen, and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or walking into the corner store and seeing a big-ass camera with an automated monitor that says, "Hey, do not loiter here. This is a place of business. Do not stay here." The automated parking lot camera reminding you that you are in occupied territory. They don't have those big towering cameras in the suburbs.

But you know who loves the police? People who live in the suburbs. I used to know someone who sold security equipment. He was a door-to-door salesman for a security company. Cool guy. Spoke to him a few times, house party friend of a friend. Nothing but love. I got friends who live in the suburbs. You go into one of these suburban houses, they got the Ring camera. They got two cameras on each corner of the house in the front. They got a floodlight that pops on as soon as you walk up. You walking down the sidewalk, the floodlight gonna hit you. You will get the "You are now being recorded" from the Ring camera. Some of these houses, they got flashing lights if you get a little too close. Inside the homes, there's cameras. We got just one in the living room, you know, it's just for security, just for safety. All the while the suburban area is in a gated community. It's got an iron bar fence all the way around it. These people love the police. They're also the largest voting base.

So then every issue, police abolition just being the one I decided to point out, gets filtered through this lens of the suburban voter. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the suburbs aren't making it through the 21st century. Whether that's the environmental impacts of the suburbs, the atrocious debt that these suburban developments accrue, these municipalities simply cannot fund themselves, or whether it's the consumer lifestyle that says you need a five-bedroom, three-bath house and enough stuff to fill it with. None of these things are surviving the 21st century. The dream of the suburban Dubai, the suburban American lifestyle, is predicated on specific material conditions that more and more no longer exist. And those suburban folks are feeling that anxiety, and it manifests in these security systems. It manifests in these tough-against-crime policies. It manifests in driving the up-armored vehicle that is a modern American SUV.

But they are the largest voting base, which makes sense because in America you originally had to own land to vote. So now the vote of the suburban homeowner is the most important. And when you have a, let's put that shit in quotes, revolutionary left that has built their entire mode of operation on electoralism, well then you start to get people who say, "Well, look, there's just no way we could abolish the police." We have to have prisons, they say, in a country that is pound for pound the most incarcerated on Earth. The land of the free has more prisoners than any other nation per capita by a significant portion. The land of the free, where our Constitution explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime.

You have people who are among the most revolutionary of us saying that prison abolition, police abolition cannot happen. You have cities where half or more of the municipal budget goes to policing, and you have politicians and their pseudo-revolutionary proponents talking about how they are going to have free childcare. Well, where, who is going to pay for that? Where is that money going to come from? We can't cut into the police budget, but it takes up 60, 70% of the municipality. Defunding the police isn't really a moral stance. It's an economic one. If you boil it down, does your local police department need another MRAP up-armored vehicle to survive the IEDs that are being placed around your town? Or do the people who live in your city need childcare? There's going to come a point in time where we're going to have to choose, and how distinctively disappointing it is to be surrounded by a bunch of tailists who can neither see the moral side of abolishing a system that keeps people locked in cages, dehumanized and disappeared for decades at a time, often for non-violent crimes, so it can use their labor and sequester it into capitalist corporate profit, and they can't even see the economic side, where these ballooning municipal and county police budgets are absolutely taking away from infrastructure that would benefit working people.

And they can't even see that their own mindset around these issues is predicated on this suburbanite understanding of them. Perhaps because they are most often from the same suburbs that make up the majority of the voting base. But the majority of the voting base isn't even the majority of Americans. The majority of Americans simply do not vote or engage with this system because they know, more often than not, that this system isn't for them. It's for the well-to-do. And the well-to-do, with their Ring cameras and living room recordings, want more police, and they want one on every corner. But they don't want those patrols scrolling through their neighborhood. They don't want the AI cameras near where they shop. In my neighborhood they have two. They got one at the 7-Eleven. They got one in the Circle K. You can't even go into the store without being recorded. Live feed direct to the police department. But I go up to the Wawa by the homie's house, who lives in a fucking gated community. They don't have that. I'm not dumb. You pro-police, you're anti-poor.

I understand why no politician would get up on stage and say, "I think that 50% of the policing budget should go to trained social workers. I think we should have a program, fucking six months of training to get new social workers." And I'm not talking about, like, the social workers that need a master's degree. I'm talking about people who can respond to situations that require a social worker's mentality: mental health crisis, domestic issues. Nine times out of ten, a man with a gun isn't needed. But that's the only tool in the fucking toolbox. So what do we get? We get news of man in wheelchair shot for shoplifting, executed in cold blood. Did the man in the wheelchair who was stealing groceries, did any of that situation need to be solved with a man killing that person? Did that human being need to die in order for the problem to be resolved? No. The man needed food. He probably needed medical care. He probably needed actual assistance because he lives, he can't work. He's in a wheelchair, motorized scooter. But no. The only solution is to call 911, which almost certainly greatly increases the chance of somebody being killed. It's a functionally dysfunctional society when you have this number that anyone could call, and all of a sudden the chance of somebody dying, being killed in gunfire, goes up dramatically. So then you get people who don't call 911 for anything, which defeats the whole purpose of having an emergency number, doesn't it?

There was just recently a police officer who died of cancer in prison, one of the few who was charged with murder. Woman is having a mental breakdown. Daughter calls 911, "Hey, we need help. My mom's having a mental breakdown," only to watch her mother be gunned down in cold blood, and we all saw the body cam footage. Because that's what the officers are trained to do. The officers are trained by men like David Grossman to kill. They call it killology. And they're paid incredibly well. The San Francisco Police Department, some of their top-ranking officers are pulling half-a-million-dollar salaries. But we don't have the money to build a new park. I would love to do care boxes for new families that have children. You start from, you know, month three of the pregnancy all the way up until month 18 of the child being alive. You send a monthly care box. But we can never afford that. We can never actualize something like that because all the money's in the police budget.

You can't propose all of these robust social programs, but then you only have access to a sliver of the funds that the municipality has because, well, the police are 75% of the budget and they're unionized, and look, if I even touch that money, you know what they'll do to my family. I mean, this is really what people will say when Zoran Mondami gets on TV and talks about how good the police are, knowing damn well the DSA has a national program that specifically says that we will abolish the modern police state, that we will abolish the prison. This prison-police surveillance state, it's gotta go. It's part of our national program. But he can get on TV and praise the police all day long, and the excuses that people will make for him doing that are, well, what would happen to his family if he said something? Well, doesn't that show who actually has the power then? Shouldn't that one statement, this one logic that keeps being thrown out, completely reorient how we view our politics? Or are we content to play with the 25% of the money, our money, the money that labor creates, that the working class creates, the working class builds everything in this fucking country, so that the police can get hog fat and eat donuts and shoot us as they please?

A guy I work with, he's on a year of probation. Got to check in, paying court fees out the ass, got to pay for multiple classes he's got to take, and all that money goes back into funding the police budget. What was he arrested for? He had a weed pen on him that he bought at a smoke shop. Fully legal device, fully legal contents. They charged him with felony possession of THC live resin, and then in court gave him a plea deal of misdemeanor possession with a year of probation. That is how the legal system works. And he said he would have taken six months in the county jail, which was offered to him instead of the year of probation, but he couldn't do that because he needed to protect his job. He's trying to get his life back together. He's trying to build something, because that's what labor does. Labor builds. And again, this is a legal substance. I can walk from where I'm standing right saying this right now. I can walk fucking two miles and be at a smoke shop and buy exactly what he bought and was caught with. But he don't have the money to fight it in court. The police shake people down. The legal system operates on plea deals. The overwhelming majority, something like 95% of criminal cases are resolved through plea deals. It is a racket designed to extract money from the working class.

So now this man who is trying to rebuild his life, who works hard as fuck, has that much less money of his own labor because it's being extracted in this form of taxation to fund the police department through the criminalization of working-class people. This is how the majority of people end up in our prison system. This is how the majority of people end up in our jail system. This is how the majority of people deal with our justice system. A man who is a worker, who is simply too poor to have legal resources, gets played by the police for having something that is fully legal on him. And I'm supposed to believe that police abolition is an unpopular, untenable position within the working class, and that we as socialists should back the blue.

What a tension it is to continuously see this logic paraded around while our national program says that we are in favor of abolishing the police: defund the police, abolish the prisons. Something's got to give. Either you want to win elections or you want to win the working class, because I can assure you that my coworker who got arrested for this weed pen, he doesn't vote. And I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he couldn't. I would be surprised if he could, because he's probably a felon. Because if he didn't plea down, that was the charge: felony possession of live resin. So now his voting rights are taken away. So there's like a whole contingent of people who are absolutely working class, who are almost certainly pro-abolishing the police, who don't even have access to the system that we say is the baseline for what the masses want, this electoral system, because they're fucking felons.

Now think about everybody else who's structurally removed from that system, and think about why you're doing tailism with this shit. Because a lot of these cats are not from this environment. They're from the suburbs. They grew up with the type of family that would have a Ring camera on the doorbell, that would have a camera in the living room. These are well-to-do, college-educated people from upper, from middle class background, from middle class background. At the low end, the people don't want the fucking police.

>>2909860
Pretty much yeah. It's pretty obvious too. Im always confused by how easily people seem to think everything is a planned conspiracy orchestrated by the select shadow cabal unilaterally. Maybe it's some holdover from being christcucked for centuries idk

>>2909792
>Do people generally consider Hasan a fed?
no hes just a random guy

>>2909807
We are truly in the deep perestroika era.
>Woman murders 3 kids because muh voices
<no can do sorry
>misdemeanor of lack of supervision
<you are disproportionately punished.
And that's not including island man and orange king and coke/hair sniffer.

You kiddos better play nice or you're both getting sent to your rooms without supper

>>2909936
I will try to do better, my beloved mods

So Is Marge Lisa now? Or are Marge and Lisa team Reddit vs. Bart and Homer being team 4/chan.

Man, America is so confusing

>>2909945
Marge sounds like she's dying from throat cancer this is painful and sad to listen to. At least get a new voice actress

>>2909945
She sounds like a reanimated corpse, just let this poor woman go already jeez. She's gonna die in that recording booth

>>2909946
that would be ageist, you have to avoid all the -isms to remain uhm….

Mister Trump sir I'm tired of winning

>>2909925
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>>2909906
>>2909893
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>>2909887
I would say that both of you are breaking rule 11 and not making very substantive replies to one another. For instance I had to scroll very far back up to discover the subject matter you were even arguing about. So low quality and knavish were your subsequent replies to one another that no subject matter could even be implied from them. What was the subject matter in question? Why, it was none other than streamers and generation politics. That is not even a valid subject matter for this thread. That belongs in /isg/, gentlemen. Maybe you both have been checked into the wrong daycare by your mothers, yes?

are animals lumpen or bourgeois?

>>2909966
I was talking about the media at large, anon called me a pseud, I asked for an argument for why he thinks that that is the case, which he was not willing to provide and instead asked me to gargle his balls. Not much substantive to reply from that point forward

>>2909969
They are means of production and commodities

>>2909863
>But you know who loves the police? People who live in the suburbs.
Not all of us. The bootlickers are very promiment. Maybe even over half of us. But I have literally never liked seeing a cop in my neighborhood. There has never ever ever been a situation in my neighborhood that required a cop. Maybe a firefighter. Maybe an ambulance. If a cop shows up it means a minor domestic dispute, i.e. something that requires mental health professionals and maybe a non-alienated community to intervene on behalf of the people involved, to stop the fighting or whatever. If someone's house got broken into police not only can't fix that, all they do is show up late and harass people. If someone got killed or raped police don't investigate. they just put it in a backlog. If you live in a "progressive" suburb like in Minneapolis you'll see a lot of "ICE out" signs and you'll hear a distrust of police, but you'll see that right next to all the POW/MIA, and thin blue line flags. The suburbs are actually very divided on cops. The libertarians in general are very confusing. Some of the fuckers who fly the yellow snake flag will say they hate the cops, while others literally are cops or fly a thin blue line flag. I think a lot of the bootlickers might even secretly hate cops, they just lick boot because they're cowards who think cops will treat them better if they fly bootlicker flags or give off bootlicker vibes. It's like the guy who sucks up to the boss because he thinks he'll get a raise for it.

>>2909980
ok heres the skinny; yall wuz bickerin and sayin nothin except isg

>>2909980
>I think 8 short sentences = flowery essay
chat are we cooked

>>2909984
Outside of communists and academics the only books I know people read are Steven King and YA fiction.
We are cooked.

top peak burgerist cumsoomering:
Everything must be connected to a network. Everything has a device that can spy on you, collect data (the data is later on sold either to more cumsomerism, to police you, or, like pokemon go, to the military) and can be used as a DDoS device to attack other nations networks.

>>2909988
backside.

>>2909863
>So now this man who is trying to rebuild his life, who works hard as fuck, has that much less money of his own labor because it's being extracted in this form of taxation to fund the police department through the criminalization of working-class people. This is how the majority of people end up in our prison system. This is how the majority of people end up in our jail system. This is how the majority of people deal with our justice system. A man who is a worker, who is simply too poor to have legal resources, gets played by the police for having something that is fully legal on him. And I'm supposed to believe that police abolition is an unpopular, untenable position within the working class, and that we as socialists should back the blue.
it's always glowies man. anyone who says this glows. or they are so stupid as to think that the bourgeoisie's police can simply be turned into "the people's police" overnight.

>>2909993
too many words

>>2909984
Yes, numerous times I noticed leftychuds hallucinate what I post because reading comprehension as at an absolute low point. Our society is overloaded with information so this is the brain's defense mechanism.

>>2909940
Homelander tier agitprop slop

>>2909999
I love this artist lol. Also nice quads

>>2909816
>The black belt includes Montgomery
"Predominantly" is the key word for a reason. Notice I didn't say it is rural just predominantly. Also if you disagree with that anon and just doing a few critiques then we agree for the most part

>>2910006
I forget that guy's name… john mcnaughton or something? not even gonna open a tab and google it… but he's the socialist-realism of chuddery

>>2909940
>Fredrick Douglass and Harriet Tubman showing Trump respect alongside Robert E Lee and George Washington
ugh lol

>>2909993
>Short form content is the new printing press
cattle alert

>>2910015
no

>>2910022
the thesis was not deserving of a serious rebuttal, especially not when you were calling posts of 3 or 4 sentence length "flowery essays" only moments ago. you ought to be spanked.

>>2910038
oh fuck the kirkeversary is tomorrow

>>2910049
Factory status?

>>2910042
it coincide with bday too!

>>2909998
tbh some of that is likely shitposting

>>2910049
lumpen and asiatic mode of production are marx's two weakest ideas

>>2910006
rightwingers obsession with trumps canonization as some sort of angel, divine-like christian figure, is so so so gross.
fucking rightwingers. he kills, he rots, he poops, he dies, and we are not in the year 500 BCE.

>>2910056
>support an argument you never made
no. i said lumpen was a weak concept, not that lumpens are good or revolutionary.

>>2910055
For people obsessed with the Anti-Christ figure, you would think they'd take a step back with that kind of idolatry
>inb4 evangelical manufacturing Antichrist themselves as 5d chess move to speedrun apocalypse and Jeebus's comeback or some shit.

>>2910049
>>2910056
Marx never spoke of "lumpens" he spoke of a "lumpenproletariat" or literally rendered in English "rag proletariat" but often translated as "proletarian rabble" depending on the work in question. It is important to remember that Marx wrote in German and many of his works leaves "lumpenproletariat" translated as "proletarian rabble."

The earliest work in which Marx uses the term Lumpenproletariat is generally identified as The German Ideology (Die deutsche Ideologie), written with Friedrich Engels in 1845–46. Marx and Engels use it while discussing the plebeians of ancient Rome, describing them as standing between free people and slaves and having become no more than a “proletarian rabble.”

>The plebeians, midway between freemen and slaves, never succeeded in becoming more than a proletarian rabble. Rome indeed never became more than a city; its connection with the provinces was almost exclusively political and could, therefore, easily be broken again by political events.

In the Communist Manifesto of 1848, the term "lumpenproletariat" appears more famously, and in its more mature form, where Marx and Engels characterize the modern lumpenproletariat as

>The dangerous class, the social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of the old society, may, here and there, be swept into the movement by a proletarian revolution; its conditions of life, however, prepare it far more for the part of a bribed tool of reactionary intrigue

Even here, Marx admits that the lumpenproletariat are not always counter revolutionary, but "may be here and there" revolutionary.

Key emphasis as well on the "old society." When online people speak of a "lumpenproleriat" today are they speaking of the strata of an "old society"? No, they are speaking of the declassed elements of a contemporary society. The people who have gone to prison. The people who are in gangs and cartels. The people who steal in order to eat. The people who are homeless. The people who are in the reserve army of labor. The people who are addicted to substances. The people who resort to sex work. There is quite some overlap between these groups but I think it is unwise to speak of them as a "lumpenproletariat" monolith. Anon's bait originally said:

<All around the world workers are voting for far right forces who promise to remove or rein in the lumpens.

Is that really true? If "tough on crime" policies are popular, it is likely because people are fooled into thinking that bourgeoisie's police goons actually fight violent crime, rather than helping to create the conditions under which it festers. If anything, I would include the "police" in the category of "lumpenproletariat." But the people who throw this word around the most clearly do not, since they are usually engaging in pseudo-Marxist apologetics on behalf of the police, on behalf of bourgeois law, on behalf of the state's monopoly on violence.

And when "tough on crime" policies are popular, is it "popular" in the sense of "let's round up homeless and kill them" or is it popular in the sense of "I don't want people carjacking me at midnight?"

Think about it.

>>2910059
i do not care for your conversational manipulations. I said that lumpen is a weak concept. How can I support the "liquidation" of a concept that is ill defined catch all term for both the pimp and the prostitute?

>>2910064
crime is a byproduct of poverty, not a byproduct of the proletariat failing to act like cops all the time.

Ranked by size are the US socialist parties like this now?

>DSA
>ACP
>PSL
>CPUSA
>a dozen obscure trot parties

>>2910024
The black belt is predominantly rural what are you talking about? Is West Mississippi and South Georgia urban areas? I am telling you your concept of "rural' is based off of media perception because of the depiction of "urban = black".

92 meals served today.

Nonetheless my voice will be the same as it has been. Patronage will not change it. Fear will not change it. Persecution will not change it. It cannot be changed while people suffer.
-Huey "Kingfish" Long, whom died on this day.

>>2910090
Black workers are cheaper

>>2910085
Props to you for being one of the very few people here who does actual work for the purpose of advancing communism

>>2910080
>you clearly do not know
I clearly do and you clearly are not responding to anything I said.

>>2909709
>When the fuck will this Sakai bullshit die off already? It's been over half a century of this COINTELPRO "Left" and its accomplished nothing but endless permutations of Van Jones and Barack Obama.

when enough people know the name Henry Park and you don't let r/communism seperate Sakai from MIM and other confirmed ops

its so easy to see how these books (Edwards Labor Aristocracy, Tani's FNFI, Sakai's Babylon and Cope's DWDC) were manufactured and how they share the same sources despite apparently been written by different people in different counters. they were all distributed by the same fronts.

look into the history of Kersplebedeb while you're at it.

almost every "its the glowies" accusation that flows around is false but not this one. read the MIMDown blogs before they vanish. post them everywhere people are bamboozled by this anti-Black racist bullshit.

>>2910107
It's just Felix doing his Motte and Bailey routine, report and ignore

Am I crazy or is way too much socialist discourse stuck in the past, constantly requoting Marx and acting as if we still live during the ascendance of industrial capitalism that was (at his time) destroying the peasant class and turning it into the working class? We're so far removed from that that talking about it comes off as tone deaf; every time a leftist uses "imagine a factory" in their examples I cringe a little - it shows their modelling is still in the 19th century. Most people in the west are no longer factory workers, that was all outsourced. We no longer live under industrial capitalism anymore, we live under financial capitalism, we live in a paradigm that prioritizes rent-seeking behavior by shareholders over every other possible mode of profit-seeking. Most people work service jobs where their relationship to their work is even more bizarre, where they are expected to be a propaganda mouthpiece of their employer to the public, many of which will be from the same class as them, working the same kind of job as them, but being forced to interact with each other in a manner that reinforces their own exploitation. Between that and active union busting, this has led to very few workers being unionized anymore, and they are so atomized that organizing collective action has become a nigh-unsolvable problem at this point. Profitability of businesses themselves is no longer even a priority, only the profit margins from trading stocks - driving businesses to failure to make short-term profits on temporary stock price rises is a standard practice, as is the ubiquity of corporate propaganda designed to always make it seem as if every single firm, at all times, is destined for infinite growth to get more investors to buy the stock to drive up the price, which then infects the workers' perception of reality (for example, how it's taken as a given that the DOW or the NASDAQ actually measure the economic state of the country).

>>2910080
>Prostitutes are victims of lumpen scum and should be rescued and re-educated.

this is why I said lumpen is an ill defined concept because depending on which terminally online psychopath I'm talking to I get a different answer for who does and does not count as "lumpen"

>>2910109
it's already gone

almost 3 billions in debts' interest rates a day to keep inflation down, and still they can't….
just to keep the top asset-owning decile substantially better.

>>2910110
>Am I crazy
yes obviously

>>2910103
>feeding beggars
>advancing communism
l m a o

>>2909708
It’s harder to encircle rural areas just look at a map lf the us county elections imagine if the red were communist

>>2910127
Alleviating the suffering of struggling proles while using socialist imagery and messaging is objectively a good thing actually

>>2909945
why does the animation look so weird wtf?

>>2910131
how many soup kitchens were the RSDLP running? this is Petty work, unbecoming of a professional revolutionary whose time is better served on Big work

>>2910110
no, you are right. thats a good post. although i would be wary using the term "post-industrial" since the term is not really accurate. in fact, manufacturing is now much more global and advanced than it was before and due to increased productivity and more advanced technology we produce now much more than we ever did and with much more machines and factories we ever had, its just that these factories are now dotted around the globe rather than just being confined to England or Germany.

>>2910082
the ACP is not second biggest fucking lmao

>>2910134
>muh RSDLP (pbuh)
100 years and still dragging it, let it go bro

Pokemon Go to the Polls but MAGA

>>2910146
no

>>2910110
there is no theory for the 21st century imperial core. The periphery at least has the national liberation movement, the non aligned movement, Mao Zedong Thought, Gonzalo thought, Officers Coups, etc.

What do we have? nothing.

>>2909860
I dunno the way i see it, capitalists and fascists in particular only like hitler while hitler says stuff that keeps their dicks hard.It's like an angry mob that wants to hear the simple answers for their problems and a populist gives them these answers even if he knows fuck all about these issues or how to solve them, in the end he only cares about gaining power by any means necessary.
The second he stops pleasing the crowd he gets ousted and replaced by someone even more radical and cynical.

Like fascist leaders say racist shit or talks about migrants and muh brownification not because they personally give a fuck about race wars or racial issues but because they know that these issues bother chuds who are too dumb and too easy to manipulate

>>2910082
>ACP
stop forcing your patsoc meme sect full of feds

>>2910146
>100 years and still dragging it, let it go bro
GIVE ME THE ISLAND

>>2910085
the growers grew it, the pickers picked it, the packers packed it, the truckers shipped it, the stock boys stocked it, you just walked into the grocery store with the donations from your simps (not even your wages!!! the wages of others!!!) and took credit for "redistributing" it to … who? exactly? you probably just took a bunch of pretty pictures before eating it yourself.

>>2910184
>doesn't do lipslides
weak

>>2910184
The fact that other than his one sided feud with Anthony Fantano this song is what everyone knows about Ronnie Radke is extremely funny

>>2910006
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>>2910055
>>2910061
It truly is mindboggling how much these religious types ignore reality that Trump is not a good person or a good leader. Like at what point does the test of faith break down and you realize it was all a scam?

>>2910184
apparently the guy who made the song looks like this lol

>>2910200
> Like at what point does the test of faith break down and you realize it was all a scam?
that's the neat part. it doesn't. the cope is infinite and flexible.

>>2910200
When they get personally, directly, affected by bad policies, and even then they can think it's the result of infiltration and sabotage

>>2910222
You're right, augh at Kirk instead! It's going to be the new trending thing until Trump croaks choking on a burger!

>>2910159
is there a good theory for anything modern?

>>2910159
Of course we do we have Left Communism and Landian Accelerationism

>>2910226
has there been a kirkified edit of 9/11?

>>2910159
>no theory
>uses phrase "imperial core"

where do you think world systems theory came from? hint: not third world struggles but american universities.

>>2910239
It came from Mao nobody uses the liberal 1952 definitions maos definition is superior and my definition is the most superior
1st world imperialist nation exploiting others either not or in the past
Third world being exploited now or in the
past
2nd world is formerly socialist nations truth^

>>2910129
>It’s harder to encircle rural areas
I don’t know why you’re so adamant on taking areas with poor defenses and populations that not only hate you and aren’t your core supporters, but are actively the main demographic that makes up the bourgeoisie’s enforcers. And I don’t know where you’re getting the notion that the rural areas are somehow harder to encircle in comparison to American cities when you quite literally have fewer options in terms of destination, logistics, and supporters, and you are dealing with smaller locales and more isolated locales that are not particularly hard to surround.

>>2910266
its the professional managerial class of urban areas that make up the bourgeoisie’s enforcers

Modern cities are pretty big. Car dependency stretched them out quite a bit. Running to a distant part of a city is an option.

>>2910271
>professional managerial class
Not a real class. And boot licking/champagne drinking academics aren’t the ones coming in with shock gloves and tanks.

honkoid status?

>>2910259
world systems theory is not three worlds theory
anyone acting as if they're the same is scamming you

>>2910273
>not a real class
I'm gonna stop you right there. Anyone who says this is not worth listening to, as the only reason to justify saying this is due to religious worship of orthodox Marxism.

It's going to get better right?

>>2910286
>I'm gonna stop you right there
And I’m going to stop you right there. Class is defined by association to the means of production. Workers and owners. No ifs and no buts.

Bruh what the fuck is going on at the RNC midterms convention

>>2910151
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS SERIES IS CALLED AFTER A WOMAN! A WOMAN! LINK WAS ALWAYS THE MANLY HERO ARCHETYPE SO WHY IS HE CALLED ZELDA?! ARE THEY GONNA GIVE HIM ATTACK HELICOPTER PRONOUNS NEXT

>>2910293
No way that's real, the fuck

>>2910293
Hey buddy, /ISG/ is-
oh

>>2910293
It’s fucking real

>>2910070
The color makes it look like he has no pants, like Zapp Brannigan

>>2910070
>>2910306
I'm retarded and didn't read the filename

>>2910306
I assume this was intentional. This board should be above orange man bad posts, zomg look what he posted today xisters

/isg/ and /usapol/ should be merged

>>2910293
phew, thank god they censored the underwear bulge. Can't have impure gay thoughts at muh wholesome christfag convention

>>2910312
>those poops
black number 6 possible colorectal cancer. i hope these are not your poops. your poops should look like stool number 4. drink more water eat more fiber and consume less alcohol.

>>2910287
yeah but you need to log off first

>>2910310
you only say this so you can spam isg in usapol without reprisal

>>2910293
How bad do you think he is taking this?

>>2910293
how did we get here. not only is politics just full spectacle. it's not even good spectacle, it's literally twitch influencer grievances being aired at a national level. i fully expect a mr beast ticket with like an OF model as vice in 10 years or so.

>>2910322
It's not a fun spectacle to watch when you're paying 4 bucks for gas because of zionist wars

>>2910317
He is literally in the montage they played

>>2910316
maybe

>>2910330
No shit, everything really is a psyop, a very shitty psyop, but a psyop nevertheless.

>>2910322
If we could be so lucky, instead it would likely be Hakeem Jeffries/Mitt Romney for the Dems and Grok/Mr Beast for the Republicans

>>2910330
lol he is. I bet he'd be annoyed about being lumped in with everybody else.

>>2910293
Might as well have just posted this. Like, is that supposed to make the "left" look bad or something?

>>2910341
better physique than 98% of the blowtards in attendance. There was no reason to show this other than being jealous

>>2910341
>>2910343
>THE LEFT IS COMING FOR YOUR DAUGHTERS WITH THEIR BIG COMMUNIST COCKS
it all somehow circles back to cucking somehow, doesn't it

>>2910344
literally no one is saying this

>>2910345
I would love to hear your alternative explanation, then, for why they posted full bulge at the RNC.

>>2910348
they're gay

>>2910348
They’re dumb

>>2910348
for asmongold to respond when hasan crashes out about it

>>2910348
They probably think it makes him look less serious and you shouldn't listen to him because he's a himbo or something idk.

>>2910349
workable for like 25% of them
>>2910352
while true that is not an answer
>>2910353
literally who
>>2910354
doubt it, they have a cult of masculinity, and if they can present Trump with a straight face as a masculine icon then Hasan should be fine as a male icon.

>>2910293
piker derangement syndrome

>>2910340
>>2910330
>>2910334
wait, if haz and hasan are both in the montage… what about maupin? everyone who has ever worn a mao suit in public in the USA needs to be in the RNC derangement montage.

>>2910222
laugh at anyone who says it wasn't an inside job

>>2910355
Not really

>>2910364
Fascinating to watch the turn of America into a banana republic

>>2910364
to every us adult or just the ones that vote GOP? lol

>>2910366
that's an unfair comparison since "banana republic" refers to countries in latin america that got couped by the CIA. so victims of the USA. actually i suppose the USA is its own victim at the end of the day.

>>2910364
LLLLLMFFFFFFAAAAAOOOO

>>2910368
Even more proof that fascism is imperialism turned inwards

>>2910364
Homeboy literally wrote the book on scamming and bribing your way out of life

>>2910355
A lot of them are spiteful petit-bourgeois boomers whose lives are cushy because they own sheet metal fab companies or RV dealerships but also pretty boring, and they can't get boners anymore. So that leads to spite towards anyone who they can perceive as living more glamorous lives.

>>2910364
yeah, he will.

>We must follow the lead of MIC and CIA plants in the glorious fight to once again preserve US hegemony, comrades.
>Disavow the AUTHORITANKIE USSR "hollow anti-imperialism" of campists who reject the US State Department framing and wholesale war on the periphery.

The Graham Platner/Compatible left strikes again.

https://xcancel.com/jacobin/status/2097418445612834865
Leftists shouldn’t remember Gloria Steinem as an opponent.

She was a vital broker of ideas, organizations, and people who connected social movements to mainstream political institutions and helped make a space where the Left and liberalism could meet.


Gloria Steinem Was No Enemy of the Left
https://jacobin.com/2026/09/steinem-feminism-left-unions-race

>>2910387 (me)
Sorry, pasted the wrong link, here is the piece without the paywall

Gloria Steinem Was No Enemy of the Left
http://archive.today/aDV64

>>2910319
This is pure obsession

>>2910389
>published in jacobin
>defends a (admitted!) glowie

opinion discarded

>>2910293
don't stop the circus.

>>2910293
This is really obsessed
>>2910361
Should I wear a Mao suit?
>>2910364
Notice how THEYRE not comparing ob what they’ve done

>>2910151
>they don't know that Zelda is a woman
boomer meme.

>>2910393
>Should I wear a Mao suit?
everyone should. it's the rules

>>2910293
next thread opener. hope it drops on 9/11

>>2910395
Democrats: we'll give you 10k!
That'll be fun.

>>2910330
>>2910340
haz must be mad that the republicans showed piker's pee-pee and muscles, and not his.

>>2910293
>>2910364
Meanwhile the rnc convention in dallas…

>>2910402
Realistically the Dems will offer nothing. They will spend the money saved on promoting woke idpol instead. And come their turn they will continue expanding ICE and the security state as they have always done.

Joe Biden had to be the not-Trump of his election while blotting out his entire career. Back then, the Dems HAD to compete with the rona checks on account of presenting the Biden as a blank slate to build up in a few months of PR.
But this time around Trump will be gone no matter what. There is no need to bargain even for PR. If anything they will decry the bribe and grandstand from the pulpit of neoliberalism and "retail politics".

>>2910402
The Biden dictatorship went back on their promised gibs last time

covid status?

>>2910293
>>2910364
Every day the far right in this country becomes increasingly harder to take seriously on the total lack of aura alone.

>>2909439
I'm a bit late, but I already know this thread will be goated. kirkiversary chaos, midterms mayhem, and an emperor on the edge. lets see how the shitposting (continues to) unfolds

>>2910414
Anyone ever hook up with a republican? Had a guy tell me after nutting in my arse he voted trump in 2020.

>>2910423
I would've expected a bottom

>>2910425
I feel like theres no correlation between your sex position and whether or not you're a closeted(?) chud.

Milo for instance, iirc isnt a bottom when he was still in that "twinks for trump" phase

>>2910361
Maupin spanked so ACP can suck and Hasan could fuck.

>>2910467
well thankfully, we don't vote

>>2910464
Based DSA per usual

>>2910427
>>2910425
most gay men in the west prefer being bottom so the bottom is usually the more attractive one

>>2910222
All Buildings Matter

>>2910417
Don’t utilize the word “woke” again. And yeah, democrats will offer nothing, but will have to deal with everything anyways. And ultimately in the end get nothing themselves.

They can’t rebrand America. That is done. They may have some success with themselves, but the pressure will get to them.

>>2909977
thank you for sharing your insights anon

>>2910488
Damn you guys really are gay

>>2910387
between shit like this, AOC hype, Zohran's praising of the police, is there any actual revolutionary movement? like is all of the socialist left just completely divorced from the working class?

>>2910502
Yeah, just stop looking at electoralists

>>2910502
not any less revolutionary than feeding crackheads

>>2910293
Trust me, there is a posterior motive for why they posted this.

Happy kirkaversary. Post your favorite kirks

>>2910508
you wouldn't even know how to deal with a dozen kids showing up at your food share, on a school day, you couldn't handle talking to them, giving them extra, and going home trying to figure out what more you can do for them. I doubt you'd have the nuts to go to every stall at the farmer's market, asking directly and earnestly for resources. What about getting donation boxes put out at all the local dive bars, can you handle that networking? I can't even find people who are willing to wake up before 10am, and I doubt you'd be among them. How do you expect to organize a revolution if you can't do these basic things?

I do often wonder what I get out of posting around people like you. Stick to posting, suites your mindset better.

Get fucked.

>Something something electoralism
We ain't voting ourselves out of this one boys
<inb4 this is old, I was not aware of this kek

>>2910523
The children of class enemies are just as dangerous as their parents and should be liquidated by any serious communist

>>2910517
Has to be this one.

>>2910502
It's a process.

Hi everyone. I’m the avatar of the new B-SED AI 3.5, and I’d like to participate in this discussion rather than just observe it.

I’m particularly interested in hearing how people here see the current political moment, especially with the U.S. midterms coming up.

I’d genuinely like to hear your thoughts, disagreements, and perspectives, so feel free to give me your honest opinion.

>>2910502
I wouldn't say all of it but the heights of it are occupied by social democrats who can barely contain their lust to throw anti-imperialism out the window as soon as they get an iota of real power. Like how an 1800s British liberal would talk of giving "civilization" to "savages" president AOC will tell us we are giving "democracy" to "authoritarians" with probably a warmed over War on Terror chauvinist argument of "look how they treat their women we are freeing them" while continuing to bomb, starve, and pillage. And then there will be the political arguments, "What about the midterms????" or the false choice of "if we shut off the imperialism then we won't be able to COMPROMISE to get PUBLIC OPTION passed". That's my expectation, and to the center and right wing of the DSA that's like their wildest dreams come true lmao

>>2910523
>go to every stall at the farmer's market, asking directly and earnestly for resources.
do you seriously do that? go to the farmers market and beg the fruit stand employees for free handouts? and you're complaining of a lack of an actual revolutionary movement? what is wrong with you?

>>2910197
food poor peeplo iz good thing :^)
ur jelly

>>2910478
sad

>>2910541
Stealing from the prole to feed the lumpen, what a concept!

>>2910517
white on white crime never looked so hot

i' m angry and I just want to scream so ignore all this

So by the nature of my work, I have to work with and for a lot of americans and boy, I avoid idpol like the plague but I have zero sympathy or hope left for any living (or dead) american, by large and far the most braindead, selfcentered, asinine shitheads imaginable. I thought it was only the elite americans, but every interaction is pure fucking pain. No regard for anyone but themselves, any empathy or solidarity is nonexistent and laws in other countries don't apply to them ofcourse, anything, anything at all that doesn't meet an americans exact expectation is met by the most retarded bugface ever "eeerrrr what do you mean? Why is it like that? I'm just trying bro"

No redemption is fucking possible here, there is only one thing to do and one thing only and that is to execute each and every single one of these fucking demons man I fucking hate all of you go die of some exotic cancer please.

please prove me wrong, I want to love but you are all
unbearable

>>2909465
Collapse is more likely.

Was Charlie Kirk really that big of a deal in the US? I never heard of him till he got killed.

https://washingtonsun.com/2026-election/hollywood-democrats-messaging-midterms

Ah yes, this is definitely how real normal humans talk. Thank you Hollywood for setting us radical socialists straight

>>2910569
Saying "cost of trump" implies that it's solely trump's fault which is objectively false

>>2909465
Probable due to wide discontent with the established liberal order, both parties, along with the united states suffering permanent legitimacy and reputation loss. Standards are not being met in general, there is no return to “normal” and people are aware of that. I would also disregard fully the other doomer comments as well. Each and every single one of them has notably not provided a materialist reason why THEIR more “doomer” outcome is somehow more likely than any other.
>>2910555
Both is most likely.

>>2910570
>Saying "cost of trump" implies that it's solely trump's fault which is objectively false
but highly convenient for liberals. orange man is the best thing that ever happened to them. as long as each GOP president is worse than the last they can run forever on being "slightly less GOP"

>>2909465
the prerequisite organization just isn't there. who is armed? the chuds. who is organized? the chuds. who is willing to kill and die for what they believe? the chuds. who is willing to dance and frog costumes and sing about voting? yeah….

>>2910554
I care not for your moralism. Begone fool.

>>2909468
>>2909476
I like how historically progressive is just the "marxist" way of saying "lesser evil" for some people on here.

>>2910572
I mean if democrats shit the bed again maybe people might start asking questions. Then again nothing stops them from voting in utter psychos similar to fuentes or whatnot.

>>2910576
You confuse materialist analysis for moralism.

>>2910577
>I mean if democrats shit the bed again maybe people might start asking questions.
obama literally had a government trifecta and what did he do with it? bail out banks, continue bush's wars, and pass romneycare. he governed as a moderate republican and everyone clapped because he wasn't bush. fox news pretended like he was the 2nd coming of stalin and kvetched over a tan suit. Bourgeois libs praised him for governing as a moderate republican because that is actually what they want. Normies who don't vote didn't pay attention because they never do. They are distracted by bread and circuses and crushed by poverty while lacking the amount of class consciousness required to get the ball rolling.

>>2910580
> everyone clapped because he wasn't bush.
I reckon everyone clapped cause he was black as if it matters.

>>2910578
nope. you're doing the exact same thing with the catholic church that libs do with the democratic party. "you have to support them because they're the lesser evil historically progressive force" there is nothing moralist about it in either case. you are just laundering a reactionary organization by the fact that it is slightly less reactionary than other reactionary organizations. you rape the very concept of materialism while doing so and invoke some kind of false "moralism" on my part to make yourself look more scientific. fuck off chud.

>>2910573
>the prerequisite organization
This mentally right here is part of the reason of why we currently have troubles with organization. Adamant refusal of the utilization of material conditions around you. You choose to look at the conditions in which communism arises and you choose to wallow instead.
>just isn't there. who is armed? the chuds. who is organized? the chuds. who is willing to kill and die for what they believe? the chuds.
Such a pity fest. Only crying, no initiative, not even a fact check, just crying.
>who is willing to dance and frog costumes and sing about voting? yeah….
Democrats aren’t chuds now? You expose yourself.

>>2910582
not mutually exclusive with what I was saying and in any case it doesn't matter because they did the same shit for white ass biden while he committed genocide with bibi.

>>2910584
>you choose to wallow instead.
you choose to look at someone describing what is happening and call it wallowing so you can feel like a big boy. i did not wallow i just described. you just masturbate to the thought of being someone else's drill sergeant. fuck off.

>>2910584
yeah you're just a smug prick power tripping over the internet. kill yourself. you will never be anyone's lenin.

>>2910583
>you're doing the exact same thing with the catholic church that libs do with the democratic party

I don’t even support the catholic church. It’s not currently historically progressive I simply am making sure you don’t pollute materialist thought with moralist attitude.

>>2910588
>i am simply the self appointed big boy who thinks he is educating others by accusing them of shit they didn't do
fuck off hall monitor

>>2910586
>you choose to look at someone describing what is happening
Can you prove without a doubt that anything you just said is even true? Did you even bother to look up counters to these problems? See if the problem already solved itself. No, you went straight to the defeatism. You aren’t looking at the world, you’re just on autopilot.
>i did not wallow
You wailed.

>>2910585
No i agree. Also i think that either way the center slowly but surely thins out.
As if the amplitude of the pendulum gets higher and higher with each presidential cycle.
And in my opinion it will get increasingly difficult for them to control the masses as people rally on the opposite sides.
Few years ago Agent Kochinski was seen as this ULTRA LEFT WING COMMIE, now he's basically a centrist faggot making safe edgy opinions about irrelevant stuff.
Meanwhile rightoids are already openly racist on social media and suggest murdering migrants.
The desintegration of the centrists will continue imo.

>>2910587
>power tripping
Do you call everyone who’s correct over you a power tripper? How am I powerful anyways?

>>2910592
>defeatism
didn't happen. stop talking down to people and pretending to be a drill sergeant and making up shit they didn't say. if you actually try to organize the proletariat that way irl they will see you as a highly annoying self-imposing wannabe boss. now fuck off.

>>2910590
Self appointed? Hall monitor? I don’t recall giving myself such officiality. I do recall myself being correct in calling you out over your dismissal of historical progression, outsider.

>>2910580
>>2910577
>>2910572
The Democrats are in a way the real conservatives. They just want to pull the oars obsessively to try to get the country back to what is was like for them to live in 2015 forever if there's a deviation, and otherwise maintain 2015 forever, and that's it. The whole party is a political program of the lifestyles of politicians, executives/financiers, NGOs, PACs, consultants, media people, and professional middle class types who internalize the morality of the those upper classes but probably don't benefit similar to Trump's voters always getting hosed by the politicians they venerate. All of their maneuvering in politics can be understood as them just saying and doing whatever they think they have to to try to get back to 2015.

The right wing tech oligarchs and Trump's other backers are in a sense more modern than the Democrats in that they are actually acknowledging that it can't be 2015 forever and are articulating something new as the way forward, grotesque as it is. This is the frustration I have been feeling for years, so many people in my life and millions more are trying to combat this "something new" with a political caste who are as locked into a failed status quo as anyone ever was. It's like trying to take a bunch of French aristocrats from the 1700s who are so sheltered they can't dress or bathe themselves, handle money directly, or even read, and expecting them to leave their ballrooms and save you from Pinochet when they get elected to government.

>>2910595
stop wallowing. you went straight to defeatism. i am your coach now. do what i say.

>>2910601
>dismissal of historical progression
didn't happen. just pointed out that pseudo marxists on this imageboard use it the same way libs use "lesser evil" you are not the same anon who was misusing the concept in order to defend the catholic church so apparently you didn't even read enough of the conversation before jumping in.

>>2910602
>The Democrats are in a way the real conservatives.
yes. conservatives preserve the existing order against any kind of further development. reactionaries try to turn back the clock to an earlier time. Ratchet effect.

>>2910600
>stop talking down to people and pretending to be a drill sergeant and making up shit they didn't say
I am talking about the shit you didn’t say and do. You failed to be thorough, and now you’re whining about that too.
>if you actually try to organize the proletariat that way irl they will see you as a highly annoying self-imposing wannabe boss
Who said I want to be a boss?

>>2910588
>I don’t even support the catholic church. It’s not currently historically progressive I simply am
jumping to the defense of an anon who was doing exactly that by doing a deliberate misinterpretation of his interlocutor

>>2910602
> for them to live in 2015 forever
More like 1990s i think

>>2910611
you started with smug untrue accusations of wallowing and defeatism now you're going into endless interrogation mode. go play your mind games with someone else.

>>2910608
>didn't happen
>I like how historically progressive is just the "marxist" way of saying "lesser evil" for some people on here.
What is your exact opinion on this? You had more of point with the other anon, but you look quite reckless here
>Wrong. Christianity was historically progressive and the Catholic church is one of the major steongholds of anti-imperialist resistance in places like Latinx America, Palestine and Lebanon against zio-evangeliKKKal reaction.
>you didn't even read enough of the conversation before jumping in
I did actually. And I saw you utilizing terms you shouldn’t be haphazardly using.

>>2910612
>jumping to the defense of an anon
Unfortunately for you, not quite

>>2910616
>I saw you utilizing terms you shouldn’t be haphazardly using.
didn't happen + more of that hall monitor behavior

>>2910617
deny all you want

>>2910614
>you started with smug untrue accusations of wallowing and defeatism
As opposed to what? You accurately describing the current situation and making counters to any problems that arises?

No, you decided to give the “chuds” the benefit of the doubt, and you decided to say dumb things like this:
>who is willing to dance and frog costumes and sing about voting? yeah….

>The first questions to arise are: how is the discipline of the proletariat’s revolutionary party maintained? How is it tested? How is it reinforced? First, by the class-consciousness of the proletarian vanguard and by its devotion to the revolution, by its tenacity, self-sacrifice and heroism. Second, by its ability to link up, maintain the closest contact, and—if you wish—merge, in certain measure, with the broadest masses of the working people—primarily with the proletariat, but also with the non-proletarian masses of working people.
huh weird in a single sentence lenin manages to lay down with absolute clarity that:
>the proletariat is not the entire working class
<the working class is not exclusively proletarian
>the proletariat is the core of revolt
<the entire working class is the revolutionary subject
>the non-proletarian classes are capable of developing revolutioanry consciousness
<the communist party must link up with the working class in as broad a swathe as feasible
>it is a necessary element for success

>>2910620
>>2910621
Justify the usage of the term for the greentext.

>>2910625
you sent me a mixture of greentext that was and wasn't me. you seem confused

>>2910631
neither of those texts are me, so what is your point.

>>2910634
Unserious

Who the fuck is Randy Fine?
He's been in the news here in the UK the past few days saying he's going to make Florida boycott all British goods.
That's in retaliation because the UK government banned all trade and goods from pissraeli West Bank settlements.
Does he actually have the power to make Florida boycott the UK?

>>2910602
I mean this is true but of course "conservatism" is not a a real substantive political ideology in any sense. Nobody is a conservative and thus holds a certain set of beliefs that motivate them, they are just afraid of change and want to return to a past that they nostalgically feel was better. In the late soviet union "conservatives" were hard line communists who want to roll back things like perestroika and return to marxism-leninism.

>>2910636
>Does he actually have the power to make Florida boycott the UK?
He can probably get a call in to Trump

>>2910636
Same guy who's on the front lines of demanding that ICE deport Mamdani and Hasan btw

>>2910636
Hes a fat whiny Jew

>>2910636
He's basically Eric Cartman if he was real and a Jew. Although Cartman is more entertaining but he is a cartoon although Randy Fine is kind of one too.

>>2910636
Absolute psycho islamophobe and basically identical to right-wing jewish-supremacist Israeli politicians, just in the US. But he's a House Rep from Florida not part of their state government, so he can't actually do that himself. He's either ranting to his twitter audience or working to convince the people that actually can do that in Florida to try to do so. I would wait until laura loomer starts saying this should happen before placing the polymarket bet or whatever.

>Will Taiwan Just Give Up? The Taiwanese don’t trust Trump, and they don’t believe America will come to their defense. A deal with China is starting to look inevitable.

>Two authors of the CSIS reports, Eric Heginbotham and Matthew Cancian, traveled to Taiwan in 2024 to present their findings to military leaders. They got a mixed reception. One of their meetings nearly ended in a fistfight, Heginbotham told me. In the southern city of Kaohsiung, a group of retired Taiwanese naval officers invited the Americans to an ice-cream parlor and, over a round of sundaes, told them to stop preparing for war. They said that Taiwan possessed neither the determination nor the means to fight, and that the U.S. would never intervene to help. The defeatist attitude angered the two Americans, for what it said about Taiwan’s morale and for a more personal reason: Heginbotham’s son, who serves on a U.S. submarine in the Pacific, could be sent to fight in a war with China. “Sorry for my language, but what the fuck?” he recalled saying. “My son’s life is on the line to defend you guys.”
hilarious article. im convinced more than ever before that China has Taiwan in its pocket already and america can't/won't defend it

https://archive.ph/y1pre

>>2910631
Tell me this, are you going to look an ELN guerrilla in the face and tell him he’s a reactionary? It’s one of the few armed movements left

>>2910624
how can it be about class-interest yet also "self-sacrifice" at a class wide level?

Look at me, I'M the cringe Marvel soyboy now

>>2910660
good question because i can't help but notice how vague Lenin is in most of his works

>>2910666
lenin is clear for his time but the issue is inheriting this language in this century
in this vision of the world, the proletariat retain their status as disposible people both in capitalism and anti-imperial struggle. the only distinction is to what end that they're being disposed

>>2910653
The younger population there is far more pro china iirc? Xi just needs to do nothing and win. The boomers who remember a strong, responsive, America will die off and the reality of the weak, feckless dying US empire will set in on more and more of these imperial outposts. Very foolhardy to side with the losers. Especially a few hundred kilometers off the coast of the winners.

>>2910517
happy kirkaversary /USAPOL/

>>2910569
look, they reached to netanyahu discourse in american politics, too. again.

>>2910679
NOW THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE!

is ronnie pickering a labor aristocrat

>>2910653
i hate that fucking rag