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>>2909439 The checks don't even matter since the election will be rigged anyway. The
>you can't vote your way out of this one
meme is true this time, genuinely.
How to become a better cyber-revolutionary?
whoa did something just happen?
>>2911504The Deborahs and thr Sharons arr the real revolutionary subject.
>>2911503
There is no advancement, no pushing forward contradictions, because there are no contradictions INSIDE the US, they only come from interactions outside. Much like how Athens was a perfect democracy for the slaveholder citizenry, only itโs disastrous wars with Sparta and the attempt at colonizing Sicily ruined it.
>>2911508i like how this guy is criticizing him from an investment perpsective lol
the 5000 checks are gonna be funded by money printer go brrr and hyper inflation and forever war so the money will be worthless monopoly money anyway and then they can gloat and say "see socialism is when the government gives you money, we tried that, it didn't work. go back to normal pls"
>>2911518Thatโs a serious topic to discuss in sure
>>2911515There are no 5,000 checks, it isnโt coming
>>2911520it's gonna be 5000 in a mixture of trumpcoin, melaniacoin, and iraqi dinars
>>2911532she does NOT look like this brochacho
>>2911535Just imagine a threesome with her and Darializa. Sry Zohran, might have to off you homey.
>>2911535Once blew my chance with a bit of a Egyptian girl that was a bit of a chubbier version of her.
>>2911538>If they really sent 1400,why the fuck did they not just go with the full 2000 ? For the love of the game ?Imo it was the first step of them trying to put the genie back in the bottle. Covid brought all kinds of pro-prole changes that Dems had been saying for years were impractical or impossible and shit, and then all of a sudden, virtually overnight, they just snapped their fingers and made it happen. Eviction moratorium, direct cash assistance, guaranteed sick leave and medical care, even if just covid related, not to mention the EI and Child Tax Credit lifting tens of millions of people out of poverty. It was the biggest social welfare program since Johnson's Great Society, and everything that the uniparty's paymasters had spent decades fighting against.
Uncle Joe was put in to "beat the socialist" and by extension they had to start rolling back the emergency "socialism" enacted to keep the country from imploding from covid. Once the vaccines were in sight and they had a reasonable excuse to start pushing for a return to normal, they did it, even though it meant fumbling one of the easiest layups in history and losing to Trump again in 2024.
>>2911535wtf they made alunya real
>>2911541>because their corpo paymasters threw a fit probably, "if you give the proles $2000 nobody will ever want to work again!!!"Tbh that was probably a factor too. You had a lot of people quitting their jobs around that time for a variety of reasons, but in particular no one wanted to put their life on the line for the bullshit pay that they were getting. There was all kinds of bullshit in the air about "people don't want to work any more" and made up shit about the checks causing inflation.
>>2911547>he painted the memelmao
>>2911554bro has that megamind phenotype
>>2911556i looked at this municipality and it's a bunch of hotels and interstate turnpikes. it's not even a small rural municipality, but it isn't residential or industrial either. its very existence seems to imply some kind of real estate related government corruption. fred trump type shit.
>>2911558(also there is a Target and the "Allstate Arena" in an area that is separate from the main area because it is also gerrymandered and shaped like a jagged figure 8)
>>2911558look at how many ties to organized crime stephens sr. had
>>2911512negation comes from the outside t. Marcuse and the Appelists
>>2911558The only reason anyone goes to Rosemont is to pass through or go to the Stephens convention center for a concert. Shits like 2 blocks of houses and all businesses.
>>2911504ngl, it would be really fucking funny if this resulted in a flood of grassroots support that puts her into office.
>>2911569Why are you acting like you live here
>>2911554Yeah these people need to be killed
Everything feels impossible
>>2911569I don't live in Rosemont I live in chicago
>>2911535Reminder: She worked for the US government making anti Assad propaganda. Her wealthy family directly benefitted from imperialism, as did her husband. I would call the DSA a Trojan horse but frankly it's so obvious that anyone who isn't a literal retard can see it.
Unfortunately that disqualifies all of you.
so USbros, is trump going to win the midterms? most yanks already forgot abt epstein, are blaming oil prices on obama, and want to sacrifice their children for israel
Trump says he would 'love' to see a united Ireland
>DUBLIN, Sept 12 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said โon Saturday he would "love" to see British-run Northern Ireland unify with Ireland, remarks made during a visit to Dublin that drew a sharp response from pro-British unionists in Northern Ireland.
>Well, I don't want to cause any problems, but I will tell you, I'd love to see it unified," Trump told reporters sitting next to Irish Prime Minister Micheal Martin after the pair met in Dublin. "It's going to happen โ eventually … I think it would be a fantastic thing."JDPON DON
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-visit-irelands-leaders-before-attending-golf-tournament-2026-09-12/ >>2911722Women are smarter than men so seems obvious that they'd be hired more in an economy with mental labor and no industry
>>2911732Women: 700,000+ jobs
Men: 0 jobs
Is this really attributable to standard I.Q. deviations?
>>2911740You may not care about gender, but gender cares about you.
>>2911740>abolish gender<ogey<continue discriminating like a boss but now you can't call it discrimination sice gender isn't real anymoreProblem, semanticoids ?
>>2911743Womens labor is also cheaper, which is preferable to porky in a world with shrinking profits
Men expect a larger salary because they have the expectation of raising a family, so they are at a disadvantage
The patriarchy exists and will always exist, it'll be the top 50 richest men employing the majority of the nations women, gender roles are only switching for the bottom 99% of society
>>2911753So women are smarter and also cheaper, making men disposable?
Women also have no expectation of family life?
>>2911722Men are lounging around while women do all the work. Sounds like a patriarchy.
>>2911765So when Feminists wanted jobs, this was secretly patriarchal?
Is house-husbandry the ultimate patriarchal act, and house-wivery the ultimate matriarchal act, in return?
>>2911722Its just a lot of service sectors work.
>The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere. โIf we want to see job growth thatโs as robust for men as it is for women, weโre going to have to see men embracing those kinds of jobs,โ says Stevenson.https://www.opb.org/article/2026/04/10/men-fall-behind-as-women-get-most-new-jobs/Capital's propagandists have done their job well seeing some women celebrate this stat while ignoring the low pay of these jobs. Remember, capital is pansexual, it wants to fuck us all.
>>2911764>So women are smarter and also cheaper, making men disposable?Lmao no, unless you tie your self worth to how Porky evaluates you for exploitation for some reason. These are the simple ebbs and flows of the expectations of gender roles in bourgeois society, stay at home dads are the hot new item. Trophy husbands.
>Women also have no expectation of family life?Women are forced to choose between a career and raising a family, unlike men. They want a family just later in life
>>2911722So we know who are the proletarians now
>>2911774But women are smarter and more valuable to society than men, no?
These are the standards you have set.
>Women are forced to choose between a career and raising a family, unlike menSo would you say that more women working means less families?
>>2911783You cannot bring a newborn into most workplaces and most people canโt afford a maid and wet nurse
>>2911783yes and thats progressive
>>2911796If your measure of progress is pushing the species toward extinction then sure, I just disagree
>>2911797socialism is inevitable, sorry porky
>>2911794>>2911796So "progress" is defined by the disposability of men over women, by the reduction of families, which itself corresponds to life-long female careerism? What is progress relative to, exactly?
>>2911803>socialism is when humanity is extinctRight…
>>2911805the lack of labor reproduction is the driving force behind falling profits, not having children is one of the easiest revolutionary acts a person can do
>>2911807So would you say that if all humans stopped having children this is the most progress and is therefore the most socialist policy? So, socialism positively corresponds to the extinction of humanity?
>>2911808humanity has always gone through periods of low birthrates like these, happened all the time in dying empires like Rome when the labor couldn't sustain itself and the cities started emptying out, you're being melodramatic correlating low birthrates with the "extinction of humanity". grow a pair
>>2911810So when Romans had low birth rates that was also "progressive", because… lower profits? Your line of reasoning is inconsistent. You claim that lower birth rates is "progress" unto socialism. Explain how.
>>2911811>So when Romans had low birth rates that was also "progressive" yes because the feudal system that sprouted from the Dying roman Slave empire was a superior mode of production. Rome running out of enslaved labor was progressive in the same way the American capitalist empire running out of enslaved labor through childbirth is progressive. This is all very elementary stuff
>>2911813But Rome or America don't define the mode of production.
Rome fell around 400 CE and slavery never ended in Europe til around 1900 CE. It was 1500 years after Rome that the institution fell. As we know, slavery has easily co-existed in capitalist societies, so I don't see what is so "elementary" in your population theory of history. You also denote birth rates in America - are you sure that you don't just hate America and project this as your politics, like so many others?
>>2911815>are you sure that you don't just hate America and project this as your politicsyes I'm positive. birth rates are a GLOBAL phenomenon that effects even communist China, no need to get defensive champ
>>2911815>Are you sure you dont just want your supply of slaves to continue uninterrupted? the burger """"leftist""""" seigneur marie josรจphe
>>2911820You still haven't explained anything.
You say that when Empires decline, a new mode of production arises, which is false, since even if we go by standard history, feudalism only emerges over 600 years after the fall of Rome. The rise of feudalism and the decline of slavery has nothing directly to do with Rome. In the same way, the rise of socialism could have nothing to do with the decline of America, unless you imagined socialism as anti-American politics in general, which many people do. So, you have bad history.
Explain how lower birth rates in the US are contributing to socialism.
>>2911814
assad fled to moscow to stream Hunie Pop 2 to his harem of discord e-girlfriends, Gadaffi would have no doubt preferred dying a martyr
>>2911824>The rise of feudalism and the decline of slavery has nothing directly to do with Romeuh oh someone hasn't read marx
>>2911824>>2911824>lower birth rates in the US are contributing to socialism.He quite explictly told you that lower birth rates do not directly prop up socialism, but it is hindering capitalism, which is always fertiliser for socialist movements.
That fertiliser, of course, is important for those willing to plough, unlike you, who refuses to leave the clouds and touch matter.
>>2911825And Assad is right.
>>2911822Lower birth rates are managed by importing immigrants
There is no lack of supply of "slaves"
>>2911826Cite Marx to prove me wrong. It should be very easy.
>>2911827How are lower birth rates hindering capitalism?
Immigration is always available.
>>2911830where the actual fuck do you import immigrants from when the lowering of birthrates is a global phenomenon? space?
>>2911824>>2911827>>2911830Just have sex lads, it's that simple
>>2911830Cell phones have already decimated Indian birth rates and as it spreads in Africa youโre gonna see immigrant labor supply completely dry up like domestic labor
>>2911832But I like gay sex, that doesnโt make babies
>>2911834Then just get someone boipregnant
>>2911830>Immigration is always available.Botswanas birthrates just fell below replacement, the first in Africa. Whos gonna want to immigrate their to prop up their system? Nobody. Capitalism is failing because nobodies being born to exploit lmao
So let me get this straight. The billionaires fund AIPAC because they have interests in the middle east or because of their religion (what the actual fuck).
The politicians in return are funded by AIPAC as in their election campaigns are paid for by this organization, those who are not getting paid have no chance of winning simple because they won't have enough reach.
Billionaires don't give a fuck about the common folk and they care more about their own wallets or some schizo shit they read in Talmud or the Bible or heard from some random priest or read online or whatever.
And people say that Iran/Israel war and whatever happens in university campus is not a class war? By all accounts it is.
>>2911554the biggest counter to this strategy is to not give a fuck about being unemployed, live with your parents and don't spend money
crash the economy? bet
>>2911839A critical thing to add here too is the threshold of development needed for birthrates to drop is also dropping, so the pace at which birthrates fall accelerates
>If the argument that I have just laid out is correct, our eschaton is altogether gloomier: demographic and economic transformation seems to be driving us not to a heaven on earth but toward something closer to hell. The economists Charles Goodhart and Manoj Pradhan have done us a great service by writing an entire treatise on what such a society would look likeโand the picture they paint is a grim one. Such a society, they predict, would be rocky and inflationary. The reason for this is intuitive: workers make things, while retirees consume things; thus, as the ratio of the former to the latter rises, the number of mouths to feed outstrips the number of cooks in the kitchen. And the resulting pressure on the prices of goods and services leads to spiraling inflation.
>In such a society, intergenerational conflict seems all but inevitable. Younger people will see their real wages stagnate in the face of inflation, while asset markets will be dominated by the elderly, who will have accumulated more savings. The cause of the problem will be obvious to all, but there will be no equitable solution that benefits both sides of the generation gap. In societies faced with such zero-sum games, social bonds fray and strife becomes inevitableโin this case, we should expect intergenerational conflict as children turn on their parents. Such a vision is almost biblical in its perversity.
<Left to its own devices, capitalismโs categorical imperative of work and consumption is, in the end, at odds with its structural needs, as it discourages family formation and thus stymies the capitalist economyโs ability to grow. This is the core contradiction of capitalismโmuch more profound than anything Marx imagined.https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2022/11/capitalisms-overlooked-contradiction-wealth-and-demographic-decline/ >>2911845The capitalists are already raising the retirement age.
>>2911848yes and social security and pensions will disappear entirely by the time its our turn to collect
>>2911860Stockholm syndrome?
He sounds like a battered wife.
>>2911860let dem have a nook cuz they were just gonna hit new yoik anyway and we don't need new yoik
>>2911860Cults are so retarded
>>2911862Yeah, that's the sad part. The closing statement: "Why are we still traded in the WTI" and that was 100% a rethuglican move. when in 2015 the obomba administration promoted and proposed the investment into renewable energies, in the congress the rethuglicans only accepted the law only if the us oil production could enter into international trade markets as part of the same law. it was the
Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2016 (Omnibus Bill). that lifted oil export bans. a ban that was in place since the saudia arabia oil boycott.
https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-001-1020>>2911864lol.
>>2911860>>2911864There are few things in the world quite as strong as an American rightoid's hatred for any population center with more than like 60,000 people. When too many people live in close proximity they stop being human to Republicans and need to be either stripped of Constitutional rights and protections or forced out of the cities altogether Pol Pot style. It's a phenomenon that you dont really see in the far right in Europe for instance
What are your guys strategy to make a party?
>>2911871Utilize contradictions and go from there
>>2911873Alright what should the party be called/branding
(The party will be a revolutionary Marxist Leninist vanguard party btw)
I donโt have a car so I might be able to go outside of my neighborhood so some other guy will have to lead it (also im only like 18)
>>2911860it's funny but it also drives me crazy. There is so much potential here, where is the politician who is like "you know what lets just take public ownership over our energy industry, american resources for americans" he literally is begging for state socialism.
>>2911877Revolutionary Front of America
>>2911870>It's a phenomenon that you dont really see in the far right in Europe for instanceTo be fair far right in europe is hella lot more braindead when it comes to racism.
In fact you can see similar tendencies among inceloids online on lookism forums.
>>2911877>Alright what should the party be called/branding Whatever is appropriate at the time
(Leninist vanguard parties do not work in America)
>>2911879>>2911879Thst could work
>>2911881American vanguards are possible look at the cpusa during the 20th century we could emulate some of that success now
>>2911882your only allowed to take that name though if you actually commit terror against the bourgesis state doe
>>2911884Adventurism a.ways fails theyโll just replace whoever you kill
>>291188320th century = 1900s not now retard and they were really powerful thatโs why McCarthyism happemed
>>2911885>1900s not nowI noticed
>they were really powerfulwere
>>2911860>sell your shitty diesel truck>go to Mexico to circumvent retarded US tariffs on China>buy Chinese electric truck>resume beeswaxthere, i solved your problem
>>2911887Just donโt do the same mistakes they did(like revisionism and tailism)
>>2911885Im naming it the proletarian vanguard Communist Party(PVCP)
>>2911890>Im naming it the proletarian vanguard Communist Party(PVCP)I'm naming it Treatlers United Party
>>2911890>Just donโt do the same mistakesWhich is relying on centralized leadership (which the government loves to target by the way), having a dearth in local funding and support due to being both surrounded and not open enough, being too civil with succdems, and being shit at publicity
>>2911890That name sucks ass sounded like ai choice it
American Communist Networks (ACN)
>>2911906Communists United 'Murrica (CUM)
with the CumTown trio being the politburo
>>2911871Make a super secret anti-revisionist militant armed cadre and tell nobody about it because something something CIA
>>2911490Hello, and yes the campaign is still on. No need to worry about our cause.
>>2911899THEYRE mistake was doing revisionism not vanguardism
>>2911900How did you know (I actually just combined a bunch of random shit Google ai gave me)
>>2911910Giga though maybe
>>2911906I want party in the name
>>2911914Be sure to also give it a long and convoluted name like Reconstituted Revolutionary Communist Party of the Territories of Turtle Island - Marxist Leninist (Provisional Committee)
>>2911912
yet you still criticize it within its framework of earthly vs. heavenly life, curious
>>2911917>>2911914Where should the base of operations be? Tris state area?
>>2911914>not vanguardismVanguardism is exactly why stuff like the smith act trials hit as hard as they did on their membership. It also wasnโt any help when the organization started greying out. And as demonstrated recently with Iran and Venezuela, the United States is a big fan of taking out center leadership first.
>>2911860>i've supported you since the escalatorblud really was there 3000 years ago gandalf when orange man called mexicans rapists and that was the moment he fell in love
>iran can't have a nukeblud really does have FOX news injected directly into his veins daily
this is TRVE unpasteurized non-homogenize MIGA
>>2911831even if birthrates lower globally the imperial core can still get immigrants (if they want it) due to higher wages, and third world countries will be both poor and old now.
>>2911908CUMM actually stands for Cooperatives, Unions, Militias, Mutual-Aid, and it's how you do decentralized revolution without a vanguard that turns into a bureaucracy later
>>2911928And they'll be losing population also.
>>2911928that process has a limit. migrants send home imperial core wages, integrate into imperial core society, US imperialism becomes weaker, US currency hegemony becomes weaker, US ruling class becomes high on their own ideology and starts to make avoidable mistakes, imperial core outsources its productive forces in the name of short term profits, decreasing its own capacity to compete militarily with the periphery, the periphery grows stronger and eventually overtakes the core, becoming a new core, and then finally US capitalists will flee the US for stronger countries, in a process of capital flight, because at the end of the day they are more loyal to capital than to the nation no matter how much they use nationalism as a cudgel against the left and as a form of red meat for their reactionary base. As for the birth rate thing, the imperial core does not take in migrants at so high a rate as to make up for the decline in its own birth rate, and the countries with the highest birth rates (like 6 per woman) have yet to fulfill their equivalent of the west's mid 20th century feminist struggles for things like abortion, birth control, contraception, sex education. Many countries assert that will make them decadent and weak (but that is culture war, in terms of class, most importantly, it lowers supply of labor power) so they remain conservative in those matters, ensuring that their population of laborers continues to grow faster than people leave for the core.
"When all is said and done build a new route to China, if they'll have you" - Gil Scott Heron (Who Will Survive In America)
If I could find a beautiful Japanese woman to spend my life with relatively comfortably I would unironically stop being a socialist.
Who with me?
>>2911940you never were one in the first place
>>2911949They make good stuff sometimes but I could never work there, management only cares about how busy everyone looks and not the actual productivity. Actually getting the work required done early is bad if you canโt keep looking busy in front of the foreman.
>>2911952they're introducing legislation to criminalize any criticism of the royal family. even korea is less backwards
>>2911955Makes sense when the only actual opposition to the LDP are eurocommunists who only ever get four seats and are still constantly harassed and undermined by the deep state
>>2911960even when they go revisionist and yeltsinize themselves
>>2911958brother we aren't even having one of them struggle sessions right now. don't summon it
face it,Charlies. the kids of North Carolina are turned on by enver Hoxha thought. cooper and Whatley are too scared to admit it.
>>2911914>THEYRE mistake was doing revisionism not vanguardismno true scottsman
every vantard party has become revisionist but no it was because they didn't do vantardism hard enough. just 1 more purge of old bolsheviks and 1 more around of promoting khrushchevites and we'll be doing real communism this time
>>2911993
He could, but it wouldn't matter as far as reversing the course of the war goes. The Iranian war effort is decentralized and there is no one fixed point the US can strike to hinder their tactics. It would turn the ME permanently against the US and cause an unprecedented oil crisis, even greater than the current one.
>>2911985
this is the problem with vantardism, it becomes about loyalty to the administration and not loyalty to communism itself. if you're loyal to communism and criticize the administration on its failure to be so, you get purged. if you're loyal to the administration, even to the point where it betrays communism, you get promoted. this was the problem from khruschev onwards but the framework was laid much earlier in the name of protecting communism from revisionism. then people like you take away the wrong lesson and think the problem was not enough purges, when really the entire incentive structure was fucked. And I don't even blame 1930s stalin for this the groundwork for these failures were laid while lenin was still alive and trotsky also had a hand in them. these men were political and strategic geniuses when it came to carrying out a successful revolution and winning a civil war, and they even created an AES regime that lasted nearly 80 years… but it didn't matter because the party fell to revisionism and nothing could be done about it because by that point loyalty to the politburo was more important than communism itself. once you conclude that the vantard can do no wrong, that the vantard is the highest expression of proletarian will no matter how bourgeoisified it gets, and any criticism of the vantard is a betrayal of communism, you have destroyed all outlets for criticizing a vantard that goes revisionist later on, even if the purges start against the correct people.
>>2912005
only 2nd world countries have ever done vantardism actually. and they created unaccountable bureaucracies that went revisionist later on. this isn't a 1st vs. 3rd thing even if you want to make it that.
>>2912007
I didn't say stalin was disloyal to communism. Read more carefully. stop trying to make this about individaul legacy btw, I'm talking about systems and incentives.
>>2912007
>And how was Stalin โdisloyal to communismโ in your view
he didn't need to be. all he needed to do was allow people who were to get promoted all around him
>>2911985
stalin went revisionist first, thats why he purged everyone that wasnt a liberal like him
There would be no Khrushchev without Stalin. Khrushchev was the culmination of Stalin, like how Deng was for Mao.
>>2912014
>i want so badly to make this a 1st vs. 3rd thing to distract from the broader point anon is making, i also want to pretend anon supports DSA
keep throwing your tantrum. people with more braincells than you can still scroll up and read.
>>2912016he cites sources while you just cry
>>2912017
you can shoot all the crypto trotskyists you want. once the vantard is treated as the unaccountable expression of proletarian will, it's just a matter of time before it becomes self serving
>>2912023glowies cite glowie sources of course
>>2912026care to argue with something specific he said and why it is wrong, and why his hundreds of sources all glow instead of just vagueposting. it's very easy to smear shit all over the walls when you have no real args
>>2912019
proletarian cooperatives, proletarian unions, proletarian militias, and proletarian mutual aid groups are a higher expression of proletarian will than an unaccountable party that fills up with petty bourgeois ladder climbing machiavellis and becomes a shitfest of backstabbing and purges and revisionism. and the purges only make it worse because it's revisionionists purging each other in a race to the bottom to express higher and higher forms of loyalty to the revisionist vantard. you need to create multiple avenues of expressing proeltarian will so that if one goes rotten the others can keep it in check. vantardism is the idea that you MVST put all your eggs in one basket which is stupid advice
>>2912032
fuck DSA and fuck AOC. stop trying to make the conversation about that because someone criticized the historical failures of vantardism. the USSR is the greatest socialist experiment so far, and maybe China depending on how it goes in the coming years, but we still need to learn from failures.
>>2912035
hitler was literally against strikes. you don't know what you're talking about. you're just doing a confused word salad of "hurr durr not doing vantardism is the same as voting blue no matter who is the same as mamdani is the same as literally hitler hurr durr"
if you think there is nothing proletarian about proletarian owned workplaces, nothing proletarian about proletarians unionizing, nothing proletarian about proletarians helping each other during hard times, and nothing proletarian about proletarians forming militias, and that everything I suggested is literally hitler!11!! you are the stupidest person imagnable and everyone can feel safe ignoring you. dont' worry bro. just one more round of khruschevism will do it
everyone who thinks the problem with the USSR was not enough purges seems incapable of imagining that they would be the ones getting purged by the revisionists and tortured to death and slandered as fake communists by the actual fake communists who hold power and then yeltsinize the country decades later. but everything is a race to the bottom in a vantard because it becomes the only legitimate outlet for proletarian grievance and at the same time a shitshow circus for machiavellian wannabe managers, social ladder climbers, opportunists, backstabbers, and sociopaths.
>>2912033This is syndicalist nonsense. Sub-parity and under development treated as the peak. Unions arenโt proper bodies of the party, militias should not be formed, cooperatives already exist so youโll need to expand on that, and the same applies to mutual aid groups.
AES is a acronym of desperation
>>2912036>seems incapable of imagining that they would be the ones getting purgedThe revisionists will purge regardless. It doesn't matter how nice you are to them, if they seize power, they will crush you.
>>2912039> Unions arenโt proper bodies of the partycircular reasoning. once you have decided that the party is the only legitimate outlet for the expression of proletarian will, and is beyond criticism, everything else, including workers going on strikes, workers rebelling against a revisionist party, workers taking control of work places, workers forming militias, becomes "disloyalty to communism." Meanwhile the party you say can do no wrong, except apparently not purge enough revisionists AKA anyone who criticizes the party's revisionism.
>>2912041the revisionist Khrushchev who shat on Stalin's grave was not merely a passive participant in Stalinโs purges. During the Great Purge of 1936โ38, he was a senior Communist Party official who actively helped implement the repression… isn't it funny how revisionists like Khruschev not only didn't get purged, but actually helped carry out the purges? maybe your diagnosis of "not enough purges" is wrong and the real problem is that too many of the wrong people were allowed to be the ones doing the purging? Maybe even… in some cases, not all cases, the wrong people got purged? Has it ever occured to you that not every single person who got purged was some crypto-Trotskyite? Maybe when a vanguard goes revisionist it actually starts purging non revisionists?
>>2912042>circular reasoningThatโs just straight fact. You donโt use unions as for the party. They are to be absorbed into the party.
>once you have decided that the party is the only legitimate outlet for the expression of proletarian willYou have revealed your ignorance of the what the party is. The party is not opposed to workerโs parties. The party is the workers. The party is not inherently formal by any means. The party is proletarian will, communist will.
The union will always be worse than a true workerโs party. Either too formal or too unorganized, and always subject to capitalist sway.
>workers forming militiasThe formation of militias is not the empowerment of workers, it is their fragmentation.
is coca-cola the greatest american treat?
>>2912052All the greatest treats are hidden by capitalist dogma and meddling.
>>2912050>The party is not opposed to workerโs parties. The party is the workers. The party is not inherently formal by any means. The party is proletarian will, communist will.you're literally just repeating the circular reasoning where you declare the party to be the only true expression of proletarian will, therefore everything the party does is right… except for the historical examples I just gave where revisionists rose the ranks and even got to be in charge of major purges. you need multiple outlets for proletarian power and mechanisms besides purges to deal with struggles within proletarian class dictatorship… believe it or not there are divergent interests within the class of proletarians, and there should be ways for proletarians to deal with that besides the race to the bottom of trying to purge each other… a game sociopaths and revisionists tend to win at. you obviously think I'm just reinventing syndicalism, DSA, liberalism, and national socialism so just ignore me. it's not like we're even going to get the chance to repeat the USSR's mistakes anyway because we aren't even close to as organized as they were. It would actually be an honor for us to get to make the same mistakes they did at this point.
>>2912052I dunno but shit is addictive.
>>2912054>you're literally just repeating the circular reasoning where you declare the party to be the only true expression of proletarian willAnd it is. Not because it is decreed so, but because that is how the world works. The class party must arise into triumph. Anything less is insufficient.
>except for the historical examples I just gaveWhich are invalid here.
>believe it or not there are divergent interests within the class of proletariansWhich will be resolved utilizing a variety of different methods
>you obviously think I'm just reinventing syndicalismYou think unions arenโt proper bodies a valid body for the revolution, so of I course.
>it's not like we're even going to get the chance to repeat the USSR's mistakes anyway because we aren't even close to as organized as they were.Fatalism is for the rich
>>2912065
why not vote for. well, I think you know what I am gonna say.
>>2911993
yes. he is getting increasingly desperate. I am sure he has brought it up already. As the other anon said the issue is it likely would not help him (if it would it would already be done) so he would have to override basically everyone. I don't believe he has suicidal advisors at this point, but it's spooky ngl.
>>2912054Ok whats your alternative? How do you solve the security dilema? How do you prevent counterrevolution or external aggression? How do you coordinate and cohesively outcompete the institutions that are run for capital?
>>2912067
>Literally no one cares
Sure thing no one.
>Either give us a strategy to overthrow the US government
Why are you trying to aggressively hijack my conversation to have me detail to you a subject that is only marginally relevant to what I was previously discussing?
>The fact that you're all reading theory instead of infantry combat manuals
If youโre so confident in these infantry combat manuals to demand we put our attention into them, why arenโt you giving the strategy then?
>You want a book club, not an army
We arenโt a military force. We will never be a military force. We are supposed to be revolutionary guardsmen, and you need to hit the books again.
>>2912072>How do you solve the security dilema? By organizing a disciplined and effective army that strikes against the counter-revolutionaries without hesitation or mercy. This should be your primary task, the fact that "leftists" are doing food not bombs when they should be doing the exact opposite is the reason why the American left is not only dead but has never really existed.
Divisions of labor are bad
>>2912065
you're the biggest rube in the world if you think you will actually get $5k
>>2912079
You first Felix
Armed revolutions in the third world have completely failed outside of Nepal in 2006, which immediately capitulated to liberalism. What makes you think one in the first world will fair better? How are you wiser or in a better position than the BPP or Weathermen?
>>2911968>Young MarxDon't care, want DotP with efficient bureaucracy.
>>2912100Too bad, not a thing
>>2912034>historical failures of vantardismAnd also the success of vanguardism that also lead to China's current success. I am curious what lessons you learned and what you are proposing instead
>>2911501Defending China, Russia, and Iran online and then cherry picking from ML texts to back up your points
>>2912136Russia bad China and Iran good(unironically) is what I am
>>2912117Chinaโs success is precisely playing scab to destroy western unions, joining US imperialism against the Warsaw pact, and filling up the US market with treats while dismantling the iron rice bowls and breaking most of the agricultural communes. If contemporary China is communism in action Iโm a full anti communist, not because I enjoy capitalism but because itโs not different enough. What that really comes down to is if it is indeed a master centuries long plan that results in free association of labor and the dissolving of the state.
>>2912117>>2912072proletarian organizations need to be pluralistic, interdependent, check and balance each other and not all beholden to a single level of true power that can go revisionist at any moment. you can't have a single level of power in a class dictatorship when the class itself is millions and millions of people with jobs and lives to go about.
Also instead of a politburo or central committe, just have government of proletarians by lottery. let the proletariat govern directly the same way they would serve on a jury.
Thoughts on the recent socialism conference?
>>2912117I am the anon. China is successful because it avoided the same mistakes as the USSR. revisionists who dissolved the party never took over, and while there was purges and internal power struggles, it was actually the hardliners who lost. So even though the gang of four lost, and deng won, deng wasn't as bad as khruschev or gorbachev imo because he did not dissolve the party. his great 4d chess move was to make the imperial core more dependent upon china than vice versa. that is how china avoided the fate of the death by CIA coup or death by sanction which is a completely different issue from my criticism of vanguardism. vanguardism is an issue internal to a proletarian regime while the issue of avoiding imperialist sabotage is an issue external to the proletarian regime. China did some things i don't like but ultimately they have walked to tightrope way better than the USSR did and we can learn from both their successes and failures.
>>2912146China was literally on the side of US imperialism, thatโs what โavoiding Soviet mistakesโ means
>>2912160No it isnt avoiding the ussrs mistakes is Brezhnev/khruchev
>>2912160nope. it's like you don't read.
>>2912164>>2912168If arming the contras, mujahideen in afghanistan, and threatening nepal with invasion to keep maoists out of power is communism than death to communism
>>2912178the US was gonna do that shit anyway with or without chinese help. why aid a doomed cause for a moral highground when you can continue tricking the hegemon into trusting you as you slowly erode its power?
>>2912186not an arg
>>2912178Those were foreign policy blunders I disagree with
>>2912178Chinas foreign policy under late Mao was abysmal, supporting Pinochet and all that. Deng slowly normalized foreign policy and relations with the USSR, too little too late you may argue but China going off course has nothing to do with "revisionism" nor did China did everything "to keep Maoists from power" (MLMs were against the USSR as well, duh).
>>2911838This is Biden's fault
>>2912194The Nepal situation was under Hu Jintao (who was supposedly the (semi) anti revisionist check not to Deng but to Jiang Zemin and the broader Shanghai faction) who threatened to invade Nepal with the PLA alongside the Indian state and army to hunt Prachanda down. Prachanda backed down and capitulated to the liberal democracy that led directly to the CIA color revolution last year.
why are Michael whatley and Roy Cooper so afraid to debate? hopefully it happens soon.
>>2912199This feels like a fed PSYOP also why do they support muslim(heard other Nazis criticizing them for this)?
>>2912199>>2912213not everything has to be a psy op. nazis just see a clear opportunity to become relevant again because israel is so disgusting and repugnant and the holocaust was a long time ago and the palestine genocide is happening right now. it's good PR to say free palestine and it's good PR to dunk on israel so the easiest way for nazis to make themselves seem cool again is to tie themselves to a popular issue.
>>2912215nah he's 100% state backed operative, all these types of cats are, they have deep connections to the state
>>2912227Who are the far left terrorists? Where are they? You canโt attribute a single death to Larouche PAC or Black Hammer or CPI or DSA
>>2912226yeah the leader might be but people are very stupid about history. young men in this country can really be tricked into thinking hitler was an anti-racist anti-zionist freedom fighter, in that video the nazis are literally just saying they want to do "discuss racial differences positively" which just sounds like a woke SJW rebranding if nazism. no more screeching about the master race. instead of saying "gas the jews" they now say "no more wars for jews" they're obviously trying to rebrand. maybe some of them really believe it. people are stupid and don't know history.
>>2912199Oh joy, I wish someone would call them the bootlickers of the rich. They are just cynically taking advantage of the Free Palestine movement. Someone needs to punch them in the face again.
>>2912199>we're anti capitalistthey're trying to rewrite themselves as actual socialists despite the OG nazis working with corporations like IBM, IG Farben, Ford, Coca-Cola, Thyssen-Krupp, etc.
>no more wars for jews>free palestinepretending to be anti zionist despite Hitler signing the haavara agreement
>we just want to talk about racial differences positivelypretending to be woke intersectionalists lol
shit is so sinister
>>2912142>Also instead of a politburo or central committe, just have government of proletarians by lottery. let the proletariat govern directly the same way they would serve on a juryThere is a ton of flaws with this system. Serving in the jury simply pools citizens to hear evidence and make a decision based off of that evidence. Now people complain about doing jury duty imagine having to go to the lottery to become a part of the party. Also it wont magically erase entrenchment because the military and intelligence will have decades long officers in it with decades of experience over other institutions so you will lay the groundwork for the military to have way more say.
>>2911845one of the things i'd love to see in one of those economic analyses is production output of basic wage goods and housing supply compared to when social security and state retirement funds in general became common. my prediction is that this would be a nothingburger with redistribution but i guess everyone just wants to kill the elderly now
>>2912199Why they always gotta play dress up
>>2912270they are still in the Barbie-doll phase of development
>>2912270When your worldview is entirely centered around vibes and aesthetics, dressing the part becomes both theory and praxis.
>>2912272the anarcho-fascist link proven once again
>>2912273>he would have got away with stealing $40m in gold bars if he hadn't lied about being in the navybleak
>>2912273>>2912275they should have moved some of it overseas
>>2912279I also got this recommended to me by YouTube
>>2911878>potential<petty bourg who would sell out the entire movement in a heartbeat for a single hamburgeridiot
>>2912296Did you watch it?
I subbed to him after his capital vol.1 vid.
>>2912350Because this is a historically progressive country m, and the people demand contradictions
>>2912367I'm surprised he wasn't just called an incel.
>>2912367Aaron Rupar may be a shitlib but by virtue of watching all these Trump rallies and sycophantic news reports and accurately quoting them with included context he's probably more helpful to the cause of the left than 99% of self identified communists
Fun fact: Jack wilimos has 0$ in his campaign fund. He unlike other politicians will not beg for money.
>>2912390Chairman of party of labor of America, Jack wilimos(N.C). Candidate for u.s senate.Thatโs who, you son of a gun!
>>2912372How has watching media made him helpful?
>>2912250well the alternative to the proletariat being made to directly govern whether they want to or not is to rely on a class of bureaucrats who, however proletarian their origins may be, will develop their own professional managerial and bureaucratic interests after accumulating decades of experience governing as their exclusive job. This will incentivize behaviors on their part which diverge from proletarian class interests. In the interests of the stability of proletarian dictatorship, either the proles must be made to occasionally govern by lottery, just like in jury duty, or the bureaucrats must be made to occasionally do prole jobs by lottery. the Lenins of the world, however great their merits may be, must not be allowed to be simply "professional revolutionaries" which becomes "professional mnanagers" after the revolution is complete, but they must feel what it means to be a proletarian and perhaps even a red army soldier. They must put on the Budenovka and get in the trench. They must get inside the factory and feel the unpleasant heat of the machinery, become stained with oil and grease. August Willich to me is admirable despite his stupid feud with Marx because he renounced his titles of nobility, and became a common laborer, and common soldier, in the name of Communism. He lived in workers' dormitories. When he became a brigadier general in the Union Army during the civil war, as an open abolitionist, and German speaking communist immigrant, it was because he rose through the ranks after enlisting as a mere private in old age. If the talented cannot help but be promoted based on their merit, then so be it, but let each prole taste governance, and let each governor taste labor.
>>2912391fuck it redraw the earth with 1985 borders, including the USSR. that'll trigger everyone
>>2912404How many hours a week at work as a steel producer am I spending proposing planning for steel instead of actually making the steel?
>>2912391Thoughts on this I think the Mercator is more accurate for boating
>>2912402The act of meticulously recording it and uploading it unaltered is what's helpful. It's easy to forget just how bafflingly stupid and over their heads this administration is because most of the media doesn't accurately report on the stupid shit they say, pillowing it down or sanewashing it to make it seem more reasonable than it actually is. Trump literally having his supporters swear an oath to him that they'll cheat if necessary is something that even liberal outlets heavily downplayed if not outright ignored.
>>2912409in the USA the average adult is summoned to jury duty once every 7 years I believe many get out of it if they have circumstances like a newborn child or are laid up in the hospital with an injury. the term they serve on jury duty depends on the length of the court case, which can vary greatly. I am not sure what the similar statistic would be for a proletarian dictatorship but one can imagine being summoned by the party to provide proletarian consultation on a key piece of legislation once every 5-10 years, in a term that lasts up to a week. So you would spend almost no time "per week" doing this and even measuring it "per week" is misleading because you would only be summoned on occasion. If every working class adult in the country takes a turn governing, then the working class as a whole would have input governing. Understandably, nobody balks at the red army drafting workers to go die fighting Hitler and แดuแดlossnW, yet the moment I suggest workers should be drafted to take part in the government, in a direct legislative, judicial, and executive manner, by providing their proletarian perspective directly to the organs of government, I am told this is too hard, that proles won't want to do it, that it will interrupt their time at the steel foundry, that they are content to let the professional party managers govern for them, etc..
>>2912417> It's easy to forget just how bafflingly stupid and over their heads this administration is is it though
>most of the media doesn't accurately report on the stupid shit they say, pillowing it down or sanewashing it to make it seem more reasonable than it actually is.yeah that is why I find art of media criticism, in the abstract, more helpful than media curation. people like adam johnson and nima shirazi will write about the very techniques these people use to fool us, rather than particular instances of them saying stupid shit. It's more important to build class consciousness, and attack the frameworks that are used to obfuscate class, imperialism, etc. the frameworks they use to make all of this seem inevitable. and most importantly we can't forget that this isn't just limited to "this administration" since the democrats just got done spending 4 years parading around a senile reactionary who rubber stamped zionist genocide.
>>2912418Because thatโs genuinely too much responsibility, being a soldier or a worker is just taking orders, if Iโm a low information steel worker being drafted into government Iโm completely at the mercy of those giving me information on whatever. This is probably better than bourgeois politicians who get bribed with campaign funds or bureaucrats who make red princes but until I see it in action working better than the other two Iโm highly skeptical.
>>2912418participation shouldn't be compulsory but it should definitely be made easy to
>>2912427I just donโt see how you both govern and work at the same time and have any kind of stable, functional government with constantly rotating workers who will be legislators for things far outside of what theyโre an expert in
Record-High 89% in U.S. Say Government Corruption Widespread>Substantial majorities of Republicans, Democrats and independents agreehttps://news.gallup.com/poll/713933/record-high-say-government-corruption-widespread.aspx
<WASHINGTON, D.C. โ Americansโ perceptions of government corruption in the U.S. are at their highest level in 20 years, with 89% of U.S. adults saying it is widespread. That figure is up 10 percentage points from last year and well above readings in the 72% to 79% range between 2010 and 2025.
<Democratsโ perceptions of government corruption have risen the most sharply since 2024 compared with other party groups. In former President Joe Bidenโs final year in office, 57% of Democrats said corruption was widespread in government; that rose to 76% in 2025, the first year of President Donald Trumpโs second term, and reached 91% this year. The figure among political independents (90%) aligns more closely with Democratsโ than with Republicansโ (83%) and is up 12 points since 2024.
<Republicansโ views of corruption have changed far less in the same period. For the past two years, about eight in 10 have said corruption is widespread, broadly in line with 2024, when 87% said the same.
<Although strong majorities of Republicans and Democrats perceive government corruption as widespread, it is likely for different reasons. Democratsโ perceptions appear closely linked to which party controls the administration. Republicansโ greater consistency on this measure โ despite the 2024 election delivering them the White House and Congress โ suggests a more underlying view of government corruption that depends less on the party in power.Before Recent Increase, U.S. Already Outranked Other Advanced Economies
<The U.S. has increasingly diverged from other advanced economies in perceptions of government corruption, based on Gallup polling across the 38 member countries of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. The median level of perceived corruption among OECD countries has fallen from 69% in 2009 to below 60% since 2022.
<Full data collection for 2026 is not yet complete in all countries, so the closest comparison across the OECD is from 2025, when a median of 59% said corruption is widespread in their government.
<In the early years of this trend, countries such as Greece, Hungary and the Czech Republic all saw scores above 90%. But over time, the highest levels of perceived corruption across the bloc have gradually fallen, reaching 79% in 2025 โ placing the U.S. atop the OECD rankings for the first time, even before the additional 10-point increase within the past year.
<By 2024, there was already a 15-point gap between the U.S. and OECD countries on this metric, but that rose to 20 points in 2025 as U.S. perceptions of corruption increased six points to 79%, compared with 59% across the OECD. The gap between the U.S. and the OECD median could potentially be even wider this year.
<Since 2023, only four countries out of the 132 in which Gallup has posed this question annually have scored nominally above the 89% recorded in the U.S. this year: Lebanon in 2024 (92%), Peru in 2025 (92%), and Ghana and Nigeria in 2024 (both 90%).Perceptions of Corruption in Government Outstrip Those in Businesses
<Each year, Gallup asks the world about corruption in two contexts: government and business. The two are typically strongly related. If people think corruption is widespread in their national government, it is likely that they think the same about businesses in their country. But the U.S. increasingly bucks this trend.
<Americansโ perceptions of business corruption have also increased this year, by eight points to 71%. That is 18 points lower than perceptions of corruption in government, the largest gap between the two types of corruption seen in the U.S. trend. By contrast, between 2006 and 2025, perceptions of government corruption averaged 11 points higher than business corruption. Across Gallupโs trend since 2006, few countries have recorded larger gaps than the current U.S. gap in relative perceptions of government versus business corruption.Bottom Line<Perceptions of government corruption are now higher in the U.S. than at any point in the past two decades and outpace most other countries, including advanced economies. While perceptions of corruption in business are also elevated, government corruption is seen as significantly more widespread.
<In a country where many are polarized across a wide range of issues, this is one case where bipartisanship reflects shared alarm as much as shared consensus. In fact, it is the near convergence of U.S. partisans on the issue โ with Democratsโ concern about government corruption now only marginally higher than Republicansโ โ that has lifted the U.S. figure to its record high. >>2912436So if I feel like quitting on the fly I can just cancel the planned economy?
>>2912438You need to hit the books again.
>>2912439Marx and Engels donโt have shit to say about the practical realities of a DotP, as laying out anything particular would be an idealism
>>2912433Are we voting in the midterms or no and for which keft wing party
>>2912441I vote green every chance I get and nothing happens
>>2912427Without some way of institutionalizing a DotP and moulding said proletarian cadres into leadership roles, simply selecting for them isnt much of a help. Khruschev was a proletarian and I think we can agree his administration wasn't all flowers and sunshine.
I think there should be a lot more theoretical and empirical effort into institutional forms of the DotP. How do you make resilient credible and long-lasting institutions that can secure the DotP? How do you continously regenerate credibility and material results? How do you ensure said institutions remain tied to the class interest theyre meant to represent?
>>2912450How do you manage a complex economy without those? Are you a feudalist or an anarchist or something?
>>2912450Do you have an actual argument to make though or are you just gonna vaguepost?
>>2912453https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/>>2912454>are you just gonna vaguepostItโs only vague to you theorylet. Formality of the state is not the communist way. Rendering it obsolete is.
>>2912455enjoy getting crushed by the rest of the bourgeois governments then
>>2912455This is why the proletariat rejects marx and theyโre completely right to
>>2912456>enjoy getting crushed by the rest of the bourgeois governments thenOnly up from here then, cause thatโs already happening.
>>2912457The works of Marx are more restricted to the proletariat. They donโt read because they donโt even know to begin with.
>>2912461No itโs because marxists are all smug, self righteous pricks
>>2912462And capitalists arenโt. Libshit with the globe icon arenโt? Your argument doesnโt hold well to water.
>>2912463Proles reject both of those things and succumb to quiet nihilism
>>2912446I am the anon you are replying to. the problem with khruschev wasn't that he was or wasn't a proletarian, by the time khruschev governed he had been part of an increasingly self-serving bureaucracy separate from proletarian life for decades. This is what I mean by the proletariat must govern. I mean people who are still proletarians. Not people once were proletarians. This is why the model of jury duty can be helpful. You can cycle millions of people with the lived experience of being proletarian in and out of government without any of them ever staying there long enough to ossify into a bureaucratic managerial self-serving corrupt class.
You need institutions that are strong, but also not ossified and full of opportunists. Rather than the institutions having a static roster of former proles who slowly morph into revisionist gerentrocrats, they need to constantly have new proles flowing in and out of them. As I already said, even within the class of proletarians there will be divergent interests. Even in "one country" you will have a diversity of regions with different resources, different needs, different soil fertility, different infrastructure, different climate, different levels of development, different housing situations. If the proletarian dictatorship ossifies it might not just be in the form of a bureaucratic strata failing to represent the proletariat, sometimes the bureaucratic strata may simply represent proles from certain regions over other regions, a sort of imperialism internal to one country. How do you ensure the proles of a New York City and the proles of Little Rock Arkansas get proportional representation in the proletarian dictatorship? By drafting the government directly from the proletariat and cycling them out on a regular basis.
>>2912465And let me guess: you donโt have a source for this.
>>2912467Iโm literally a worker and have seen it consistently every day I have worked among all my coworkers that arenโt actively trying to become petit bourgeois
>>2912436yes the proletariat must govern and legistlate in a proletarian dictatorship. no amount of smug greentexting will get you out of this problem. read the tax in kind and new economic policy by lenin.
>>2912462>No itโs because marxists are all smug, self righteous pricks>>2912465>Proles reject both of those things and succumb to quiet nihilismso you have no solution and just want to shit on everything like an O9A shartycel
>>2912469>Iโm literally a workerI donโt care
>have seen it consistently every day I have worked among all my coworkers that arenโt actively trying to become petit bourgeoisAnecdotal fallacy
>>2912430it's more like jury duty than a long term job anon. if the proletarian dictatorship is drafting some policy about railways you draft a bunch of railway workers from all regions in the country to serve as consultants on railway matters. Is it really that confusing
>>2912472Iโm asking how you plan on combatting these facts on the ground
>>2912475
So youโre an anarchist, just say that
>>2912478I am communist. You are beholden to the state and advocate against proletarian independence from governance.
>>2912479If they governed, they wouldnโt be the proletariat any more
>>2912481You are mistaken. Even if that were, thatโs a point against being governed, not for.
The dotp is about class rule, not just any kind of rule. In the same way the bourgeoisie can be above the rules, the proletariat will be of similar nature during the dotp. The positions will have shifted. It is not the proletariat who have to answer to tedious rules and oppression, it will instead be the bourgeoisie as they are hunted down.
>>2912483The last time people werenโt governed is when they were at the complete mercy of nature as hunter gatherers and no sane person wants to return to that
>>2912483there are dozens of government in capitalist nations but they are all dictatorships of the bourgeous, i don't see how the same won't be applied to dictatorships of the proletariat.
If the proletariat under the DOTP have no rules, no regulations itโll be complete chaos and no one will work outside of workaholics using it to get away from their families and no one will punish them for it
>>2912475
>The proletariat must be ungovernable
you're talking about the period of the revolution, I'm talking about what happens after the revolution when you have a class dictatorship of the proletariat.
>>2912484>>2912486>The last time people werenโt governedLike I said, beholden to the state. The proletariat are not mindless children. That is bourgeoisie. They are the working class, they make the world work. They do not need hand holding from the bourgeoisie and the wannabe traitors, they simply need to lose their chains, not have those who donโt believe in them reapply them.
>>2912485>i don't see how the same won't be applied to dictatorships of the proletariatI donโt see how you donโt. The proletariat do not rule themselves, they rule the bourgeoisie. Any formality only applies to the bourgeoisie, not to them.
>>2912487I am talking about past the revolution, including the revolution.
>>2912489>I am talking about past the revolution, including the revolution.well after the revolution if the goal is to simply be "ungovernable" forever that means any and all sabotage against your own society's development and thriving is justifiable on the grounds that bedtime and sharing are tyrannical requests
>>2911670>She worked for the US government making anti Assad propaganda.criticizing assad doesn't make you imperialist. what makes you imperialist is supporting the even worse guy they replaced him with
>>2912489>I donโt see how you donโt. The proletariat do not rule themselves, they rule the bourgeoisie.all formality and government structure is for that goal, military juntas, parlamentary systems or presitentialism, in the end is for the bourgeois to form an system for themselves, the proletariat would do the same, to maintain it's power over the opressed classes, just like the bourgeois do, it does not matter if they elect a president or not.
>>2912495
How is anyone going to know the basics of a society that doesnโt exist yet?
>>2912495
> You donโt even know the basics of communist society.
i was looking at the actual history of attempts to build this and trying to learn from the lessons of the failures while you were simply making vague statements like "the proletariat must be ungovernable." but in any online conversation the shorter and more hostile your posts are the better. the stronger you claim everyone else is dumb and doesn't know the basics, while failing to elaborate on anything, the smarter you look, I suppose.
>How did you even up here?
The quality of the discourse was significantly lowered after I wrote several paragraphs and someone (was it you? i do not claim to know.) decided to reply to none of it and simply greentext two words smugly.
>>2912497
>By reading the theory for it.
do you think I haven't done this? of course you do. well that doesn't matter. I have.
>>2912499
>words in quotes nobody said
>ignoring that we now live in a world where CPSU Moscow is long gone and Washington is senile and suicidal
>>2912503
>Yeah, no.
you say less and less with each post. impressive.
>Thatโs not a vague statement. You arenโt supposed to govern the proletariat.
I was talking about the proletariat governing its own society. it becomes more and more evident that you didn't even read anything i said and just got hung up on teh word "governing" and assumed I meant some class of people ruling the proletariat when I was literally talking about how to avoid that happening. you are just being dense on purpose at this point.
>>2912504
>doesn't answer a question
>smugly posts another link
you can't even speak for yourself
>>2912509
>You wanted proletarians to govern other proletarians
just making shit up now. i was talking about how to avoid a revisionist khruschevite bureaucracy by drafting proles to govern themselves directly in a process akin to jury duty rather than having a bunch of proletarians ossify over the course of decades into a professional managerial bureaucracy. i was literally talking about how to AVOID having ex-proletarians govern. luckily nobody actually cares what either of us say
damn he went and deleted it all lol
>>2912515I feel like your model works only if the public education is so good that everyone has enough basic knowledge over so many subjects that theyโd be knowledgeable enough to draft laws and regulations about anything that could possibly come up. Maybe if we extend schooling up to 30 years old before entering the general workforce and jury duty pool.
>>2912482Shocker. Almost like the whole country should stop lecturing other countries about democrazy and other libshit nonsense. Was George Carlin right the whole country is held together by bullshit? Would america fall apart if it lived in truth?
>>2912529> Would america fall apart if it lived in truth?its more like america can't live in truth until it falls apart.
>>2912532What does falling apart mean? If the Great Depression didnโt do it, COVID didnโt do it, 50 years of looting by the FIRE sector didnโt do it what will?
>>2912527Actually banned me because of your bad faith reporting
>>2912534Total delegitimization of the state
>>2912537- I didn't report you. maybe someone else did. you were really being stupid after all.
- It's actually a shame all your posts were deleted because now there is no evidence of how retarded your replies were and how unrelated they were to what you were replying to.
- It's not my fault mods will mass delete someone's posts when banning them instead of just leaving them up
>>2912534>What does falling apart mean? I am the anon. I don't know. It will probably take a long time.
>>2912539>Total delegitimization of the stateI think anon is asking what that looks like as a process, and not for a turn of phrase.
>>2912543>It's actually a shame all your postsYou certainly werenโt acting like it earlier with your gloating. But whatever, the argument goes in my favor by default anyways.
>It's not my faultDonโt care. You had the audacity to gloat.
>I think anon is asking what that looks like as a processThey were specifically asking what falling apart means. I responded with total delegitimization of the state. If you want elaboration, I can simply point at whatever the hell the Trump administration is, and call it a day.
>>2912537>>2912527I was banned recently for "pol" just for making some light-hearted jokes about the USSR ITT. This is the same board that tolerates all manner of racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. Especially the racism. Probable can find 100s of posts of race-science and etc posts with the nazi flag even still up.
>>2912548>imageboards suck>moderation is inconsistent yeah i agree but your args were still dumb and your replies took the other anon out of context. I wish the whole conversation was still up so others could read the exchange and decide for themselves. i did not report you and am not even the guy who made most of the replies to you. i thought some of what he said was naive but I think you ultimately had less to say and were kind of just making up shit he didn't say so you could win against the argument he wasn't making.
>>2912549>yeah i agree but your args were still dumb and your replies took the other anon out of contextI wouldn't say their was a specific argument in my post. Are you making a counter-argument? Other than my "arguments" were dumb?
> I wish the whole conversation was still up so others could read the exchange and decide for themselves. i did not report you and am not even the guy who made most of the replies to you.I am not that guy, I have no involvement with or knowledge of what this current argument was about, I said I am an anon who did as I said in my post and had all my posts deleted. Seems to be a very zealous mod about right now. Maybe they should focus on the more egregious posts all over this site than waste their time sperging over the most tamest of humor.
imageboards are retarded because everyone has the same username which makes everything confusing. or you're a flagfag or namefag which makes you an attention whore
>>2912553That's the whole idea. I started my internet journey back on traditional BBSs back in the day. I wasn't into 4chan and that. My brother was into it and I said to him, why waste your time with this bullshit? I made friends with people off those messageboards I am still friends with to this day. Real friends that would give me real material benefit. I've socialized with people that are getting payed 7 figures for a project. But I have gravitated to this format since then. I think a difference is I stopped caring so much about my personal accomplishment and well-being towards trying to solve this whole "we live in a society" thing. I don't want to be a character and I don't want my statements judged on what the reader's previous assessments of my character. I really do appreciate this anonymous format. I wish that the whole apparatus could be more dedicated to upholding the central premise.
>>2912372idk man i looked at his feed and his last 20 posts are just dickriding ossoff who seems to be prematurely coronated as the next demcuck prezzy candidate
>>2912563Ossoff(who?) will never be president. Hillary Clinton was predicted since the 90s and yet she will never be president. Why now of all times would it be time for the first Jewish president?
>>2912558your thoughts are so similar to mind i have nothing to add.
>>2912482But I was told that America's foreign policy is consciously, indeed,
gleefully supported by the public!
That said that Michael LaRosa guy seems like a fucking ghoul. "Sorry sweetie, but the Palestinians have to die, that's what the policy wonks want! Its cute you think they shouldn't though!"
>>2912570>your thoughts are so similar to mind i have nothing to add.Yes.
Yes Lyrics
"America"
Let us be lovers, we'll marry our fortunes together
I've got some real estate in my bag
So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. Wagner's pies
And we walked off, walked off, walked off to look for America
Kathy, I said, as we boarded the greyhound in Pittsburgh
Michigan seems like a dream to me now
Took me four days to hitchhike from Saginaw
They've all gone to look for America
All gone to look for America
Laughing on the bus, playing games with faces
She said the man in the gabardine suit was a spy
I said be careful, his bow tie is really a camera
"Kathy, I'm lost", I said, although I knew she was sleeping
I'm empty and aching and I don't know why I'm
Counting the cars on the New Jersey turnpike
And they've all gone to look for America
All gone to look for America
All gone to look for America
>All gone to look for America
>All gone to look for America
>>2912586>Of course fuck the uyghurs rightwat
>>2912592Yes, fuck the uyghurs right. This is the chan lineage. We are all against the uyghurs and those acting uyghur-like. We don't use uyghur as a racial epithet, we just use it to mean someone who doesn't subscribe the the superior morals of White skin.
>>2912597Maybe pretty good, being an impossible question myself. I am a mystery race, a man of one thousand races(faces).
>>2912600i am also a muttchad, though of pale complexion I possess some west african grandparentage
>>2912602I am half East African and also Anglo/Russian Eastern European lineage. It's all make believe. I don't care about any of it.
I mean to die and crash out in your world would only mean an end to suffering, you are all are what you are and I do not wish to cast aspersions on you.
Official endorsements of the PLA( itโs not just Jack wilimos):
- Against Cory booker. Seeing Justin Murphy win would be delicious. Increasing fear and disunity within the bourgeois Democratic Party.
- Maureen Galindo for governor of Texas.
>>2912606Ok, yeah, nobody cares about your make believe nonsense. I love you, why not serve god?
>>2912613
Yeah, who cares, we may kill you or not, you should die whether you are in Europe or Canada or Mexico or America, time to die.
>>2912617>fuck rockos baslickliterally just abrahamism for techchuds
>>2912617lmao. He will cede, though.
>>2912617Why would he say yes anyway, not like it implies any policy anyway
healthcare status?
>>2912632always one vote away…
>>2912617he took the dengist choice
holy shit are you seeing this?
In the coming days, if I am not killed, I will post strong evidence that the general public in United States is being poisoned to become more stupid, and that the extent to which this poison is being deployed is highly asymmetrical, with more amounts of poison being deployed in areas that are predominately working class, people of color, and "leftist" or "liberal" leaning in their politics. Conservatives, petty bourgeoisie, and white people are being poisoned at lower rates but are also being poisoned. The bourgeoisie and the zionist Jewish communities especially are insulated from this poison. The goal is to weaken the mental capabilities of any possible resistance, so that any revolutionary movement that could crop up in 20 years is crippled by mental disability and easy to outmaneuver.
>>2912688>>2912689bro just discovered environmental racism
>>2912688This sounds like shit the hasidics near me also get btfo by environmental shit too
>guys, they might kill me, thats why im going to wait a couple of days while im still alive to publish my findings
ebin, simply ebin
>>2912688>>2912689covid is accomplishing this at a much faster rate
>>2911944>Dudes be like:>Where is my feminist gf who hates all men but not me>And will fall in love with me if I drop misandry in her vieweing distance like cat brings a dead bird and subscribe to her Patreon?But they are just another
he/him feminist paypig.
>>2911944>>2912719both these types of dude exist but the former is much more common than the latter and if you think otherwise you gotta touch grass.
>>2912719You saw a person making fun of a small subtype of men that exist and thought it meant "all men" and it was "misandrist". Lmao
>>2912740there's an american inside of you, trying to get out
>>2912747Stalin liked John Wayne movies.
Nothing special here.
>>2912757Everyone loved cowboy movies back then, even Hitler, because they were the best and most numerous action films in cinema at the time.
>>2912740It just fits into the general American cultural milieu. Y'know I think people have pointed out before how Godzilla in Japan was treated as a horror movie, and in America audiences just went "Hurr hurr, giant monster", but I think we're just kind of culturally fascinated with the destruction of society, often our own as much as others.
Like there've been tons of movies showing New York getting destroyed. We've got a whole genre of disaster films that each try to one-up each other on the scale of destruction. And finally you've also got the Zombie genre, which I think is uniquely American in its cultural mores. It almost always features the devolution of society to scattered survivors and militias. More often than naught "society" in Zombie media tends to even be portrayed negatively, the plucky survivors will run up against warlords, cults, and states attempting to re-establish some kind of government (but "evilly") and tear them down in the name of some vague notions of liberty, or even just sheer survival.
I don't think this is just because of a sheer love for the spectacle of destruction, but rather the entire national mythos of America is based around the frontier. Our conception of individual freedom really only works when there's no higher power beyond the individual: its purely man vs nature or man vs man.
So plucky rebels vs evil empires? That fits the culture. The actual act of establishing a post-imperial government is left unaddressed, a thing for an epilogue. What captivates us is destroying that government in the first place. No wonder the Star Wars sequels started off with the Republic that the Rebels fought so hard for in the OT being destroyed in a single day: it lets them engage in morally justified destruction, rather than anything constructive.
>>2912783Again itโs interesting because you are the richest, most powerful and most advanced nation on the planet, yet you often seem to wish you werenโt. I do wonder how much of this has to do with New Hollywood and post-1970s media, where many of the biggest directors and writers in Hollywood came from backgrounds such as American Jewish communities and may have influenced that direction.
I also see that many popular WW2 movies present the Nazis as having the upper hand, while the Americans are portrayed against all odds, outnumbered and outgunned. In reality the GIs were often eating turkey while the Germans were living off potatoes.
>>2912786>Again itโs interesting because you are the richest, most powerful and most advanced nation on the planet, yet you often seem to wish you werenโt.I'm pretty sure a lot of Americans wish we weren't.
This might be a bit cringe making a pop-media comparison, but you ever play the Red Dead Redemption 2? There's this underlying tension in the game, where Dutch keeps promising his gang that if they just trust him for his next plan, join him on his next heist, embrace his next scheme, they'll have enough money to sail away to Tahiti and live happily ever after. By the end of the game it becomes obvious that this is all bullshit. Dutch, fundamentally, doesn't want to leave the outlaw life behind. In the camp you can find him reading books that amount to this kind of Utopian Socialist idyll and glorifying the "frontier way of living". If you play the first game, he even admits it: he can't actually stop himself, its in his nature to want to act out some megalomaniacal Robin Hood fantasy.
Lemme go back to zombie movies for a second. I think Zombies are pretty much the biggest form of supernatural monster media, you've got countless video games and movies and shows and books and comics based around them. If women watch some vampire flick and fantasize about Lestat creeping into their room at night, men fantasize about zombies devouring people in the major cities.
Like I dunno about your culture or how it is over there, but growing up in the U.S. I heard a ton of times as a teen: "What's your zombie survival plan?" "The zombie apocalypse starts in L.A., what do you do?" "What weapon would you use to kill zombies?" As embarrassing as it is to admit, as a middle-schooler I even bought a book called "The Zombie Survival Guide" and thought it was the coolest thing ever.
Its wish-fulfillment. It resets everything back to square one. You don't have to worry about work or politics or whatever, just raw human survival. And y'know ironically enough, there's this trashy anime called "Highschool of The Dead" that was written by a pretty explicit Japanese Fascist. While Americans use Zombies as a means of destroying society and returning to some primitivist survival fantasy, Highschool of The Dead explicitly uses it as a means for setting up a fascist police state. The cops and military in American zombie films get overrun and its every man for themselves. The cops and military in HoTD keep order and beat back the hordes. There's even a scene where "punks" are using the apocalypse to break the law, and "liberal" protesters are ranting about martial law, only for a cop to execute one of them at point blank range.
So it's kind of fascinating how zombies become a fetish object for whatever reactionary ideals people want: rampant fascism for some, primitivist survivalism for another.
Congratulations to all our proud American Jews who made the list.
https://www.jpost.com/influencers-26/50jews-26
>I looked at the Jerusalem Post's 50 Influential Jews list and could not believe what I am seeing. It was a who's who of the people destroying the world in creating AI, genocide, subverting democracy and creating global inequality. It raised two questions, why are so many of us involved in this and why are we celebrating it?
>The full list is the stuff of nightmares. And they also have a "special mention" for war criminal Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin: Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, bringing the hostages home
Benjamin Netanyahu, shaping Israel for a generation
Gadi Eisenkot, Israel's next prime minister?
Naftali Bennett, the former PM vying for a comeback
Ronald Lauder, leading the fight against antisemitism
Miriam Adelson, the Rothschild of our time
Assaf Rappaport, the man behind Wiz
Howard Lutnick, Trump's tariff dealmaker-in-chief
Sam Altman and Mark Zuckerberg, Jewish tech leaders
Bari Weiss, challenging and running legacy media
Larry Fink, the Jewish power broker
Jessica Tisch and Julie Menin, Jewish power in New York
Stephen Miller, the architect of Trump's agenda
Isaac Herzog, a steady presidential voice
Bezalel Smotrich, Itamar Ben-Gvir, Arye Deri, Gideon Sa'ar, Avigdor Liberman, Yair Lapid, and Yuli Edelstein, Netanyahu's key partners and challengers
Bill Ackman, the billionaire investor
Larry Ellison, the philanthropist of the Jewish world
Sergey Brin, the digital-era architect
Jerry Seinfeld, Steven Spielberg, and Gwyneth Paltrow, Hollywood heavyweights
Alex Karp and Josh Kushner, from AI battlefields to billion-dollar deals
Volodymyr Zelensky, the Jewish face of Ukraine's resistance
David Zini and Eyal Zamir, commanding Israel's security
Josh Shapiro, a rising Democratic heavyweight
Gali Baharav-Miara, Yitzhak Amit, and Noam Sohlberg, the faces of Israel's justice system
Claudia Sheinbaum, Mexico's Jewish president
Dario and Daniela Amodei, Jewish siblings shaping AI
Israel Ganz and Erez Winner, advocates shaping Israel's case
Rabbis Sholom Duchman, Dov Landau, Ephraim Mirvis, Rick Jacobs, and Mendy Kotlarsky, five rabbis shaping Jewish life
Ofer Yannay, a leader in renewable energy
Roman Gofman, a new Mossad chief
Rabbi Yehoshua Fass and Tony Gelbart, turning aliyah into a force
Amir Yaron and Michal Abadi-Boiangiu, Israel's economic policymakers
Boaz Levy, engineering Israel's defense future
Tomer Bar, Omer Tishler, and Shlomi Binder, reshaping Israel's military after October 7
Yoav Turgeman, Bezalel Machlis, and Inbal Kreiss, powering Israel's defense revolution
Eric Fingerhut, Gary Torgow, and Jeremy Leibler, bending Israel-Diaspora ties
Ron Dermer, Yechiel Leiter, and Danny Danon, diplomats making Israel's case
Doron Almog, Yaakov Hagoel, and Mark Wilf, uniting Israel and world Jewry
Eli Bin, Dubi Weissenstern, Eran Zimrin, Chantal and Marc Belzberg, guardians of Israel
David Barnea, spearheading Israel's covert fight
Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Randy Fine, and Dan Goldman, Jewish voices in a divided Congress
Will Scharf and Lee Zeldin, shaping American law and policy
William Daroff, bringing American Jews to the table
Anat Vidor, Nitsana Darshan-Leitner, and Joseph Gitler, building Israel through diplomacy, lawfare, and food rescue
Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Dan Senor, and Jake Tapper, Jewish voices in the American conversation
Michael Dell, Amnon Shashua, Jan Koum, Safra Catz, Brandon Korff, Dmitry and Igor Bukhman, titans of tech, finance, and entertainment
Yair Golan and Gilad Kariv, reviving Israel's fractured Left
Russell Robinson, Bruce Leboff, Elliot Brandt, and Bernard Kaminetsky, holding the line for Israel
Prof. Jennifer Mnookin, Columbia's first Jewish president
Deni Avdija, Matt Turner, Zach Hyman, Oscar Gloukh, and Daniel Peretz, Israel's leading sportsmen
>>2912789>Well from the consensus I've read, the American military considered the Germans to be superior in battle.Thatโs actually related to the point Iโm making. The Germans were superior in tactics, organization, and experience. They were the disadvantaged side, fighting against a much stronger nation that was militarily and technologically more advanced.
>>2912798Thatโs another angle and it's partially related, but itโs not the main thing Iโm talking about. The origins of the Hollywood weโre familiar is from New Hollywood, which is where the zombies youโre referring to come from. Thatโs also where the immoral hero(or groups of heroes) who are opposed to the system or the state and morality really emerges.
>>2912818>Jewish power in New YorkMAMDANI NO!!
That's fucking crazy dog. "Jewish power in New York." Dog, she's supposed to be the police commissioner for all New Yorkers, not Jewish power. Imagine if they had articles about commissioner Gordon and it said "White power in New York."
>>2912838she's me btw. slava khameini, slava ukraini
>>2912869Cant wait for the next kirkversary.
>>2912786I mean, you basically hit the nail on the head. America doesnโt make sense until you realize that Americans deep down hate America. Self-described patriots on the right and left fantasize about this place being a temporarily embarrassed embodiment of an idealized version of the country that conforms to their values, but in practice, Americans never stop sneering at each other for being too consumeristic, too passive, too this or that. Everyone knows that itโs a deeply alienating society, but capitalist realism makes everyone bitter and nihilistic, so they go โfuck it, burn the place downโ
>>2912869I love how much they posted shit like this then didn't do anything
>>2912889Whatโs really broken MAGA is that theyโre running into the same wall as Woke 1, which is that their politics amounted to loudly wishcasting shit and then looking around to see if anyone did it.
People who believe in vibes politics always mentally break when reality tells them โno dumbfuck, you have to know what youโre doingโ
>>2912740>As a non-American Itโs fascinating how American psychology and perception on both the right and the left are built around the same basic narrative, plucky rebels overcoming stuffy, bloated Empires.>>2912786>Again itโs interesting because you are the richest, most powerful and most advanced nation on the planet, yet you often seem to wish you werenโt. I do wonder how much of this has to do with New Hollywood and post-1970s media, where many of the biggest directors and writers in Hollywood came from backgrounds such as American Jewish communities and may have influenced that direction.The cultural psychology is an interesting thing. I think that's more the pre-existing folk attitude of Americans going back to the 1800s. For an example from the 1920s there is the pulp writer Robert E. Howard whose most famous character was Conan, who in the stories is a more rogue-ish type (like a pirate) in contrast to the Nietzschean ubermensch that Schwarzeuyghur played in the movies. And suspicion of organized civilization is a running theme in his writings. The writers who influenced the sword & sorcery genre the most were J.R.R. Tolkien in England and Robert E. Howard in the United States. Howard was much more violent.
Westerns also really started to fall off in the 1960s as an American cultural lodestone (replaced by modern action and sci-fi), but they used to be everywhere. That was like the superhero slop of the pre-60s culture and mythologized the frontier. Also a running theme in that is outlaws and organized crime. A lot of tropes in American pop culture go back to these earlier forms.
>I also see that many popular WW2 movies present the Nazis as having the upper hand, while the Americans are portrayed against all odds, outnumbered and outgunned. In reality the GIs were often eating turkey while the Germans were living off potatoes.Patton (from the 60s) is an interesting contrast to this because the movie opens with Patton giving a speech (that is pretty close to an actual speech from the actual general) about how he almost pities the Germans because they're going to get their teeth kicked in by Americans who have better food and more guns. But since you mentioned it, one of the most post-war American Jewish movies depicting the Nazis vs. the plucky underdog is Indiana Jones, because that was directed by Spielberg and Harrison Ford is actually Jewish by way of his mother.
But as far as most powerful country, the U.S. at the onset of World War II was paradoxical because it was the largest economy in the world, and had already reached that in the 1800s, but the military was relatively small. It scaled up during World War I and was then demobilized. France and Poland had larger standing armies several times over.
>>2912919>But as far as most powerful country, the U.S. at the onset of World War II was paradoxical because it was the largest economy in the world, and had already reached that in the 1800s, but the military was relatively small. Like I mentioned above in WW2 compared to the Americans the Germans were by far the disadvantaged side. They were an army that had spent decades fighting actual wars, with better-developed tactics, discipline, and combat experience. They were also often forced to rely on unconventional tactics and engineering to overcome their material disadvantages. On the Western Front they were fighting an enemy that was larger and vastly better supplied, whose armies were composed of inexperienced conscripts who had grown up without knowing war. Even during the worst years of the Great Depression, the US never experienced the kind of mass starvation and social devastation that Germany and Russia had endured.
By the standards of modern pop-history, the Germans should have obviously won. And yet the Americans won, because they just had to be good enough and had such an enormous advantage in industrial capacity, resources, manpower, logistics and virtually every other material factor, that the gap in capability was nearly impossible for Germany to overcome.
>>2912740>>2912783>>2912798>>2912888>>2912919Another big reason why American vanguardism does not and could not work. Americans are simply too paranoid and too wanderlust to ever trust something like a vanguard party. Anything perceived as a higher power is a threat to their โideal frontierโ.
>>2912970>supports irish reunification>supports AI>supports argentinas claim to malvinasthank you JDPON don for ushering in the Chinese Century
>>2912972Itโs the climate change century until further notice
>>2912838I like how shocked the comedian is that "trans" does not mean "anti imperialist"
yeah defense contractors are stocked with socially liberal trans and furries. not to bait a ban… I don't say it's a 1:1 correlation because there's plenty of chuds too, but the empire absorbs these marginalized minorities with grievances into the war machine. Always has.
>>2912975>climate change centuryevaporated the moment oil refineries starting blowing up in the gulf
>>2912942>They were an army that had spent decades fighting actual wars, with better-developed tactics, discipline, and combat experience. The main influence the U.S. military took from Germany was "mission command" type stuff. The idea is to give more autonomy to non-commissioned officers to improvise in the field.
>>2912969>Americans are simply too paranoid and too wanderlust to ever trust something like a vanguard party. A thing I read Eric Hobsbawm allude to somewhere was that people's sense of connection to history was just getting severed. He wasn't referring to American pop culture, but it feels to me that people just think everything started in the 1960s. Like you hear Maupin or somebody like that say the reason we're not doing the vanguard party is because the CIA invented comic books in the 1960s. There was a cultural revolution of sorts that went on then, but a lot of the tropes in films, comics, later games were established already in the early 20th century. There was a conservative turn in the film industry in the 1930s-1940s, and comics and pulp stories were considered much more low brow, but still… it was still America back then. George Orwell wrote (negatively) about the influence of American pulp stories in Britain in the 1940s because it was this trashy gangster stuff.
People are much more likely to remember Scarface with Al Pacino than Scarface with Paul Muni (who was a Yiddish-speaking Ukrainian Jew playing an Italian, as opposed to an Italian playing a Cuban). But it was all there. Sometimes Hollywood also tries to reboot these older franchises or create some retro-noir picture, but they often flop. They tried it again with Conan (more true to the stories than the 1980s movie) and it wasn't successful. It's something that probably appeals more to screenwriters who actually do go back and read the older pop culture stuff than the general public.
>>2912969>Americans are simply too paranoid and too wanderlust to ever trust something like a vanguard partythat's why trump won, to begin with.
>>2912982>evaporated the moment oil refineries starting blowing up in the gulfYouโre already past several thresholds with runaway effects still active. Cataclysm is an inevitability now.
The food chain is collapsing
Coal and other oil deposits exist.
Cities and towns are still butt naked to the effects of climate change.
>>2912989Tsmt trump is the true vanguard of the interests of the american working class is trump
>secures venezulias oil>destroys the woke>retating tradional values>ending the radical left iran country>building ai data centres to make the pretty bourgesise seethe >>2912991nah if humanity managed to survive the 70's we can survive anything, i think you're just being a hysterical pussy
>>2912989Partially yeah. The other parts are heaping scoops of bigotry, economic destitution, and a general lack of fucks to give.
>>2912976>I don't say it's a 1:1 correlation because there's plenty of chuds tooliberal trans furries defense contractors are chuds too doe, they are engaging in chud praxis
>>2912994what is coming is going to make the oil crisis of the 70s, the great depression of the 30s, and the 2008 crash looks like child's play.
>>2912994I didnโt say humanity was necessarily doomed to die, Iโm just noting the lack of plans for wet bulb temperatures.
>>2912998libs are not chuds and chuds are not libs but both are reactionary.
>>2912996>iran wonFalse they have been prevented to produce a nuclear weapon and are in terrible conditions
>>2912970these truths are all written by natalie btw
>>2913004Itโs liberalism all the way down
>>2912786>Again itโs interesting because you are the richest, most powerful and most advanced nation on the planet, yet you often seem to wish you werenโt.the periphery is 1984 so that the core can be brave new world, but both are dystopias. it's not actually benefiting us in the imperial core that our ruling class turned us into a bunch of morbidly obese, stupid, drooling, soft, diabetic brainwashed reactionaries with zero education. that benefits the ruling class. it might look like it benefits us if you're skinny and starving and getting worked to death, but trust me, you don't want to be a 300 lb reactionary coke guzzling diabetic parasite glued to a TV all day, that is not an improvement from being a 3rd world cobalt miner. everyone should be like the 2nd world countries. i mean it. the truth really is somewhere in the middle when it comes to "muh consoomption". nobody should be a slave getting worked to death in a mine and nobody should be a 300lb screen addicted "treatlerite" (a shibboleth that focuses only on consumption habits and not relation to the means of production, as noted above). everyone should work, exercise, stay healthy, get what they need to survive, receive an education, healthcare etc. oh but radlibs and fascists hate hearing this. no we can't just give everyone what they need, including a job and a health regiment. No โฆ that would be treatlerism or something.
two questions are constantly confused with one another:
>what should the global average standard of living be if we wish to make our resource consumption sustainable, globally
<how do we stop the tremendous waste which occurs under capitalism because of the production of non-necessities, the destruction of the productive forces, imperialism, war, personal bad habits, etc. ?the answer to the latter question is proletarian revolution, the answer to the former question can only be established once we create a global society that no longer is predicated on profit rates and imperialism.
>>2913008nope. liberals in the imperial core want to expand the imperialist franchise to include trans, minorities, etc, as long as they are american
chuds in the imperial core want to keep the imperialist franchise to its traditional identities.
they are different in terms of idpol but they are both reactionary.
>>2913002why expect porky to have a plan for that, they don't even have a plan to save capitalism
>>2913012>they are different in terms of idpolmeh, dont care, both are chuds
>>2913017They do have a plan to save capitalism, itโs just not a good one
>>2913023>They do have a plan to save capitalismI'm sure one or two porkies are brainstorming ideas but are they moving and acting as a unified class? No, as the effects of climate change impact each nation differently, if even at all. Canadian porky in fact benefits from climate change, why would they want to sacrifice anything?
>>2913010in fahrenheit 451 it's the commitment to apathy that does us in.
>>2913027>but are they moving and acting as a unified class?On at least a national level.
>the effects of climate change impact each nation differently, if even at all. Canadian porky in fact benefits from climate changeThey donโt have a plan for climate change, they have a plan for capitalism. And climate change is a global phenomenon with no exceptions and no benefits.
>>2913022>i dont care about the difference even if it is real and measurable and makes a strategic differencethat's called being stupid
>>2913028we're not apathetic. we care about so many things at the same time that we're too spread thin to commit to any given one of them.
>>2913047There is a difference, though. The one on the left would have carried out a disastrous Bush-style invasion, while the one on the right would have armed and created rebels and carried out drone strikes.
>>2913047both of them collectively are diddling white children.
also brown is not a race you dumb piece of fucks.
i don't see any advantage to look like a cumskinned fat 1931 dracula.
>>2913002>>2913017>>2913023Mark my words, some Gulf billionaire or millionaire is going to do a geoengineering project soon enough.
>>2913066Keep crying libtard trvmp won
>>2912993>destroys the wokethere are more faggots everyday.
>retating tradional valuesfucking pornstars and grabbing women by the pussy and shitcoins. classic american culture.
>ending the radical left iran countryah yes the irgc, islamic radical gaurdian communists
>building ai data centres to make the pretty bourgesise seetheyou mean prole getting replaced by clankers?
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also did you passed fucking 3rd grade? you make more spelling mistake than me and i am not a native english speaker.
>>2912996That's a poltard.
>>2913071>don't disrespect my millionaire who is fucking me in the assreally chudder? really uygha? is raiding has affected your brain?
>>2913073>there are more faggots everyday.Ever notice how all the woke are always the true bigots?
>fucking pornstars and grabbing women by the pussy and shitcoins. classic american culture.Libtard lies trvmp banned epstein from marolargo
>ah yes the irgc, islamic radical gaurdian communistsyes
>you mean prole getting replaced by clankers?False all the anti ai people r actuallt small bussniess liberald mad abt trvmp pursuing freedom
>also did you passed fucking 3rd grade? you make more spelling mistake than me and i am not a native english speaker.Did you pass 3rd grade? Because apparently punctuation didnโt make it past 2nd. ๐ญ
Imagine trying to flex your English skills with a sentence that looks like it was written during a fire drill. Iโd proofread that before grading me.
>>2913086>Ever notice how all the woke are always the true bigots?i am a Christian nationalist you dumb fuck.
>Libtard lies trvmp banned epstein from marolargotrump is the legenderay pedo next to Mohammed. wait mamad only diddled one.
>communistsanother retarded mutt?
yes
>False all the anti ai people r actuallt small bussniess liberald mad abt trvmp pursuing freedomfreedom of his pocket.
>Did you pass 3rd grade? Because apparently punctuation didnโt make it past 2nd. ๐ญusing emoji in an image board as cope shows your age. get back to school little cuck.
>>2913054I guess it's not really "apathy" it's more that the average people in 451 just give in to the easy, cheap, shallow world far mroe than they're coerced into anything.
Felix status?
>>2913102yep american culture is so pervasive (thanks to its capitalistic development) that its even assimilating nations outside of its own borders
>>2913106He lost his edge after throwing in his lot with Leftychan, assuming it's even him and not just an impersonator. Kinda sad really
>>2913128>grouping in neo-Nazi orgs, lumpen gangbangers and liberal academiaslop with LeninYup, another Houdini banger
>>2913128> how to win friends and influence peoplemaybe add "rich dad, poor dad" too while you're at it, why not. maybe throw in sun tzu the art of war.
>>2913123woah i think my oil futures investment finally turned green today, thank you donald plump
>>2913068qatar was just forced to import american natgas so gulfies have bigger problems
>>2913147
Being a sore loser isn't based. No matter how deranged you are about it.
>>2913140Israeli """"Defense""" Forces:
THE DSA IS LITERALLY HECKING NAZIS
Iron Dome Felix:
THE DSA IS LITERALLY HECKING NAZIS
>>2913168Theyโre the most powerful explicitly National Socialist organization in America by a good margin, which is why Mossad gives them so much covert support via labor Zionist orgs like JStreet and AIPAC Tracker
>>2913168To be honest I think Felix proved how vacuous his personal ideology is when he praised the IDF desecrating Christian shrines in Lebanon (and earlier was cheering on the prospect of ICE arresting CPUSA members)
>>2913174>explicitly National Socialist Iron Dome Felix: zohran mamdani is literally hitler!11!!11!!!!!!
the biggest israel dickriders on fox news: zohran mamdani is literally hitler!11!!11!!!!!!
>>2913183chat is gangs of new york proto-burgerpunk
if American banks were forced to call in their foreign loans, do you think they'd prioritize their relationship with Japan or the UK? which country is less valuable economically?
>>2913210definitely japan. Most of their exports are entertainment media.
>>2913210Japan's has nothing but pedophilic cultural exports, so it's probably what the Epstein Regime will favor.
>>2913222oh no my 2003 honda is diddyblud export, fam im crine ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
>>2913210If they were smart, they'd go to UK first because America would need Japan to stand enough to act as a buffer if the US declares total war on China
>>2913213what does the UK export currently ?
>>2913123Common Ansarallah W
>>2913249the UK exports more financial services than america
>>2913249>what does the UK export currently ?sloptube channels run by british teenagers giving hot takes on random shit from geopolitics to which brand of fags is the best to smoke after a pint and video games
>>2913010>>make our resource consumption sustainable, globallyWell for starters, make consumer goods that are meant to last. No more purposful obsolescence, right to repair is the law EVERYWHERE, no more new tech toys released ever years that are no different than last year's (IE: smart phones), less plastics, etc
>>2913291*released every year
>>2913289It was the best of shires, it was the Worcestershires
honkoid status?
>>2913309>Stop whining and listen to Chapo Trap House you lil bitcheswhoa…
>>2913334>Is saying "chimping out" a racist dog whistle?Yeah, it's an anti-black slur.
>>2913334No shit it is, also that usage predates the term "chud"
>>2913337https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/chimp_outI'm just referring to what they're saying on Wiktionary. Sure you see "chimpout" used by racists to describe some incident but comparisons to monkeys "going apeshit"… Has been a thing forever
>>2913313Trump and Ed Zitron on the same page.
More at 11.
>>2913352I know the jokes about closet cases among republican males, but what are the chances some Erika Kirk looking MAGA momma hit him up on dm's after that pic?
>We have radically different politics, but G*d, I wish my husband looked like you…>Do you do yoga? >>2913213If this happens what happens to Japan after that? It would seem ripe for Chinese influence after that
>>2913072don't let Jackson Hinkle or haz see that they'll post it unironically
If Mr. Wilimos do you think they will commit voter fraud against the party? Or are we being conspiratorial?
>>2913370Sheโs also the only dem that could lose to JD Vance or Kegsbreath, but then again Kegsbreath and Vance are the only people that could lose to Kamala
>>2913340The term was already in use back in the George Floyd riots. It was probably more limited to imageboards back then though
>>2913343I saw a video. He turns his head but doesn't respond. He's basically completely braindead.
>>2913388now THATS presidential material!
>>2913370Gavin had always put party first and will back off just like he did with Jerry Brown back in 2010. Two of his kids also don't want him to run because of what that will mean for their lives and Kamala is itching to get back in 2028 which means stepping on multiple toes in Cali.
Kamala might end up like Adlai Stevenson and have her rematch again. But 2028 might see the best performance from an independent since Ross Perot in 1992 with who is about to be placed on the ballot
turn on the news
>>2913388he so happy :D:D:D
>>2913388when the blowcaine isnโt cut with fentanyl
>>2913334it was popular before that but yeah
>>2913179Your cult is responsible for two millennia of genocidal reaction and you know this and still support it.
>>2913413Materialist explanation for the spread of Christianity?? how exactly, if the superstructure puts materialism at the root of all that exist in a society, did a "cult" actually manage to spread across regions of Europe in such different material conditions and rise with so many fervent devotees? it essentially established the first unified identity in Europe?
someone ehelp me out here
>>2913310>Stop whining and listen to Chapo Trap House you lil bitchesSorry I'm not a irony poisoned bisexual virgin
Gas goes up
>>2913343>>2913388i've seen animatronics in movies that were way less uncanny
>>2913343>>2913388>Returned to the SenateSo this guy has an actual job working in the government? Does someone just wheel his corpse from his desk to his home everyday?
>>2913470Five Nights at Mitch's
>>2913477only on weekends
>>2913376Dr. Zaius was an orangutan though.
>>2913482>replying to the anons replying to the video with the videomitch… is that you?
>>2913488>mitchโฆ is that you?:)
>>2912367Natalie Harp is 35 and Aaron Rupar is like 43 or something. And all he does is notice out loud that it's pretty weird that a 35 year old woman is following around the 80 year old pedophile king wherever he goes and they're treating him like he's the one creeping on women too young for him LOL
all circus no bread
>>2913530It's gotten to the point where this feud is being reported by international news agencies for whatever reason, because I guess Trump and pals have never heard of the Streisand Effect
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-is-ellie-acra-white-house-defends-staffer-tears-into-sick-freak-journalist-over-viral-ireland-incident-101789385647207.htmlhttps://www.irishstar.com/news/politics/white-house-launches-scathing-attack-37662331https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-calls-journalist-sick-deluded-freak-over-natalie-harp-post-12436217What the fuck are we even doing here. And of course Fox News was talking about it today while I was at the gym, painting Aaron as a "far left troll" which is lol lmao to anyone even remotely familiar with the guy
>>2912420NTA but we're fucking materialists, hard evidence is very important.
>>2913584Even then, the real slop is the idealism of how the US government actually works.
they're stepping down
>>2913416>Materialist explanation for the spread of Christianity?? synthesis of roman paganism and judaism resulting from roman occupied judea
>if the superstructure puts materialism at the root of all that exist in a societywat???
>>2913647makes more sense than rebellious Jews in roman occupied Judea just spontaneously inventing a new version of their own religion that was way more friendly towards Rome, became based in Rome, didn't require circumcision or eschewing pork, encouraged paying taxes to Rome, and encouraged pacifism and turning the other cheek in the face of extreme oppression from Romans; Especially considering the military campaigns of Titus against the rebels in Judea parallels the life of Jesus in many strange ways and Titus's niece Flavia Domitilla was one of the earliest prominent Christians and married to an early pope.
The alternative to recognizing that the gospels were written by Greek-speaking elites with ties to the Flavians after Titus destroyed Jerusalem is to believe that Jesus correctly prophesized the destruction of Jerusalem within 1 generation of his death and led a life that has several completely coincidental literary parallels to the guy who destroyed Jerusalem lol. Do you believe in supernatural prophecy or do you understand that the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class, and that the ruling class makes propaganda and that the victorious get to rewrite history?
>>2913647yeah calling it a conspiracy just makes you look retarded
>>2913662conspiracy merely means to conspire
>>2913651what if josephus, the ex-rebel from judea who was adopted by titus, and wrote the antiquities of the jews, where we get all our information about titus's military campaigns, including its strange parallels to the life of jesus, invented christianity and spread it through the court of titus by way of flavia domitilla to turn the romans into a bunch of pacifist sissies as revenge for titus destroying jerusalem. the flavian hypothesis with a twist
>>2913651>supernatural prophecyIf that was the case then that would be supernatural evidence of supernatural claims and hence a false dichotomy.
>>2913664What if Christianity mutated from a messianic movement that experienced setbacks and became a tool to Judaize the goyim masses? Marcion of Sinope didn't realize that Christianity originally was a sect of Judaism and if you disconnect it from that it makes absolutely no sense. In this case Christian Zionism actually makes sense since Christianity began as a Jewish movement.
Why is that there are still MLs after all this time and so many failures?
Why is it that Marxists tend to speak with so much arrogance and confidence? No such thing as "theory" exists in social "sciences"
>>2913692>Why is that there are still MLs after all this time and so many failures?modes of production tend to last hundreds of years. and all modes of production prior to capitalism were overthrown slowly and over long periods of time. Marxism as movement to consciously and deliberately overthrow capitalism has only been around for 200 years and actually showed up relatively early in capitalism's history.
>>2913697actually not even 200 years. 2048 will be the 200th anniversary of the manifesto, but communism wasn't even theoretically mature until marx wrote capital and wasn't politically mature until the USSR was established.
>>2913697What MLs propose is to seize power and guide the stupid masses to communism. Nothing to do with the simple observation that modes of production change over time. See this is my problem with "marxism", the entrenched ideas of a "historical progress" that conveniently ends in communism because we want it that way.
>>2913651If Christianity was a Roman psyop then why did they try so hard to stamp it out in the third century?
>>2913724>>2913651Also
>just spontaneously inventing a new version of their own religionThey didn't. Early Christianity bears significant similarities to the Essenes, a Jewish sect that preached pacifism, communal living, emphasized charity, and practiced baptism. This sect had existed for centuries prior to the emergence of Christianity.
>became based in Rome, didn't require circumcision or eschewing porkEarly Christianity wasn't based in Rome. Rather Rome was one of four major Christian centres that emerged in the first few centuries of its existence. The other three were Constantinople, Antioch, and Alexandria. Rome only increased in importance after the latter two were occupied by the Muslims, and Constantiople became the centre of a completely separate state following the collapse of the Western Empire. Even today, its really only of particular importance to Catholics.
Regarding the issue of pork, circumcision, and general adherence to Jewish law, this was actually a major point of contention among very early Christians. Paul and James argued about it frequently, with James arguing that followers of Jesus needed to strictly adhere to Jewish custom, and Paul (himself a Hellenized Jew) arguing that it was unnecessary. Given that Paul's version obviously appealed to more people, it's not surprising that it was more successful. The point though is that Christianity shedding its Jewish trappings wasn't predetermined, and was arguably the subject of the religion's first schism.
>Especially considering the military campaigns of Titus against the rebels in Judea parallels the life of Jesus in many strange waysThat probably has more to do with the literary traditions at the time, where the narratives of various "great men" followed a particular pattern according to established tropes. For example, Mesopotamian tradition holds that Sargon of Akkad was born in secret and placed in a basket in a river by his mother, not unlike the story of Moses.
>The alternative to recognizing that the gospels were written by Greek-speaking elites Based on the time period, Jewish elites being Greek speaking doesn't really indicate a connection to the Roman state. Greek had been established in the region as the language of literature, education, administration, etc. for centuries by that point. In fact it probably would have been unusual to find any educated, literate person who didn't speak and write it.
>>2913724cuz it backfired
>>2913743>became based in rome<it didn't start out based in rome"became"
If Christianity wasn't a Roman psyop then why is the Vatican there? Checkmate.
religions in general are psy ops and cults and propaganda is made by the beneficiaries and leaders of the cult for the consumption of the contributors and followers but point this out when it comes to a "world religion" like christianity and people will get very upset.
>>2913743the essenes would never come up with the trinity on their own. you know who would? a group of people who literally deified their emperors. vespasian "the father" conquered judea and left "the son" titus to destroy jerusalem. then the "holy spirit" of the church became the new pacifist form of judaism that was more acceptable to the conquerors.
>>2913768It didn't become based in Rome until like 400 years later by which point Rome wasn't even the capital of the Western Empire. Even Constantinople didn't become especially important until Constantine moved the capital of the empire there over 300 years after Jesus died.
>>2913767Yeah because it was structurally at odds with the entire religious ideology of the Roman Empire, which was based around co-opting foreign gods and getting locals to worship defied emperors. Christianity was totally alien to the Roman religious worldview in that it was strictly monotheistic and regarded the worship of deifief humans (other than Jesus) as blasphemy. It was inherently antagonistic to the way the Romans merged religion and the state. This is why Jews and later Christians gave them so much trouble in the first place. This theory only makes sense if you are completely unfamiliar with the actual cultural, religious, and literary context of the time and place in question. It's also completely at odds with how the Romans typically handled dissent, which was usually through a combination of naked brutality and bribing the local rulers. If Christianity was a psyop then it was the first and only operation of its kind in several hundred years of Roman history. Christianity can far more easily and readily be explained as an organic progression of pre-existing Jewish traditions merging with the broader Hellenized society that was well established in the Eastern Mediterranean.
>>2913775>the essenes would never come up with the trinity on their ownThey didn't and neither did Christians. The trinity was just one of several competing concepts that didn't become official doctrine until the fourth century.
>>2913776>It didn't become based in Rome until like 400 years lateryet the flavians had direct connection to the church way before. then. it's the flavian hypothesis not the "rome in general" hypothesis. why does titus's niece already have a pope husband around the same time the gospel of mark was written?
>>2913704>What MLs propose is to seize powerYes
>guide the stupid masses to communismNo, this is you projecting
>See this is my problem with "marxism", the entrenched ideas of a "historical progress" that conveniently ends in communism because we want it that wayNo, it's because that's the only thing historical progress can progress towards. The alternative is ruin. Unless you've discovered some kind of other alternative to the abolition of class society?
>>2913780>why does titus's niece already have a pope husband around the same time the gospel of mark was written?Are you talking about Flavia Domitilla? Her husband isn't even known definitively to have been a Christian.
the softer version of the flavian hypothesis is that early christianity was an organic religion with a real basis in the people of judea, but that the roman administration in judea merely favored it over more rebellious sects because it less militant than the zealots.
>>2913782>No, this is you projectingThey should have said leading instead for a criticism that sticks. Other anon is a very stupid anarchist.
>>2913704Your theory is liberalism, your brain is mush. I am not surprised you hate education
>>2913792>>2913793>u r libyeah everyone on here is a lib who calls everyone else a lib, what else is new.
>>2913790I just don't see why the intervention of the Flavians is necessary to explain any of this. Pacifist sects already existed among the Jews and even among some pagans at the time, and its early popularity among oppressed people throughout the empire is explained by Marx's assessment of religion as the heart of a heartless world, sigh of the oppressed, etc.
>>2913796because the flavians utterly destroyed the more militant and rebellious alternatives while having familial connections to the early church.
>>2913794I donโt give the talking stick to fatalist projectors who have still failed to suffer total ego death
>literally a rebel leader named "judas of galilee" around 30 years before the jesus story
>he is a leader of Sicarii rebels
>gets killed by the romans
>the new testament literally has a character named "Judas Iscariot" as the foil to and traitor of Jesus, whose life mirrors titus
<its just a coincidence you chud
>>2913798>claims to have undergone ego death>still begins sentences with "I"curious
>>2913803>The chud has also failed to take their medication todayGreat
>>2913704>What MLs propose is to seize power and guide the stupid masses to communism.really? MLs here often tell me communism is impossible and we need le multipolarism first for 999 quadrillion years until the productive forces are ready
those MLs you described sound kinda based, I wish they posted here
>>2913797>because the flavians utterly destroyed the more militant and rebellious alternativesThat doesn't prove or even indicate a connection, nor is a connection necessary to explain the emergence of a pacifist sect or its popularity. It also begs the question of why the Romans never did this in any of their other restive provinces.
>while having familial connections to the early churchI'm still not even sure who you're referring to with this. Again, Flavia Domitilla's husband is not confirmed to have been a Christian, let alone anybody of importance within the (extremely loose and decentralized) church hierarchy of the time.
>>2913806China will hit the gommunism button in 20,050,000, trust me
>>2913808They already have(socialism/lower stage communism)
>>2913800Yeah and Egyptians and Mayans both built pyramids, proving that they're the same people! Seriously, this is extremely weak conjecture based on superficial similarities that aren't surprising to anybody familiar with the historical context.
>>2913809stop baiting comrade, I'm not in the mood, if you don't stop I will tell Beria to deal with your neo-bukharinoid ass
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>>2913816>>2913822convincing? I just wanted to call you a Retard
your actions gave birth to unexpected consequences
>>2912423>participation shouldn't be compulsorywell that's the paradox of governance. if mass participation isn't compulsory, the working class won't participate, because they are busy working. then you will have a class of bureaucrats who govern "in their name" and however representative their intentions may be at first, they will, over the course of time, develop their own interests separate from the working class. to prevent the decay of a representative system into an oligarchy, you need compulsory mass participation. the bourgeois revolutions all dealt with these contradictions in the 17th-19th centuries, but our so called proletarian revolutionaries on here refuse to acknowledge these problems even exist, ignore them, or dismiss them, and write contradictory poetic verses about how the proletariat will directly govern as a class, but totally not in a compulsory way, because that would be unfair, but at the same time they will not avoid their duties as the ruling class and give their responsibilities over to a class of representatives who decay into mere bureaucrats. You have to deal with this problem.
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