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>>2921048Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
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>>2931332Honestly based from Zelensky, this is the only kind of diplomacy Trump can understand
>>2931332Russia could respond by demanding the US come with their own ships to pick up the fuel meaning Ukrops would have to strike american ships. Cucktin doesnt have the balls for this though
>>2931332holy BVSED multipolarist Zelensky fighting the good fight against two imperialist powers simultaneously
>>2931346Top image target is a school, bottoms is the fighting positions of nazis
>>2931297That's a cool photo
>>2931332>>2931343he is the second coming of Kerensky
At first it was funny but now it’s really quite sad how many people online now reckon they’re getting “less hate” since a Yandex building got drooooned and now declare they were victims of Russian bots. Placebo effect? Main character syndrome? Self-promotion?
>>2931413I think my prediction that the EU will end up buying Russia-sourced “American” oil at a massive markup is back on the cards. Just have to resolve the Zelensky situation lmao
>>2931399Cloudcucks keep losing
Selfhosting chads keep spreading anti-western poison of [thing you dislike]
>>2931399It's litteraly true tho
>>2931456It's false, my massive bot farm keeps working because I bought several warehouses in the Kirov Oblast and stuffed them full of server gear and GPUs. I'm responsible for 12% of all transphobia on the internet in the last 24 hours and 20% of anti-family judeobolshevism
I support the United States of America against Ukraine, bomb that shithole
Ukraine collapse status?
Status status?
>>2931465Your anti-family judeobolshevism would be more effective if you cut down on the transphobia. The two effects are cancelling each other out. Rookie mistake. Ask me how I know.
>>2931469About to invade the US to depose Trump and install Biden back to power.
Rumours are that the Pentagon is already at DEFCON 0 since Ukraine’s invasion of America is guaranteed to succeed without resistance, as nothing can be allowed jeopardise holding on to a sliver of Donbass at all costs.
>When we started responding to Russia’s operation against our data centers, and when our strikes reached Yandex’s data centers, it suddenly became a little easier to breathe on many social media platforms. A lot of people noticed it. There was less hate, less division, and fewer provocations.
>Because there were fewer bots. And it’s pretty clear where those bots were coming from – if they disappeared when Yandex went offline. This proves, again and again, that Europe is not the source of the problems. Europe is not the one making everything more difficult.
>Most importantly, we need people in America, every morning, when the day in Europe is already moving toward evening, to really see what is happening. To see the truth.
>From a speech at the Warsaw Security Forum. (3/3)
War of the data centers. To keep it real with you guys, nobody in America gives one flying fuck about this Ukraine thing anymore besides some schizo dem politicians(now that Madame Lindsey has passed)
>>2931476Reports of Anarcho-Bidenist sleeper cells activating all over the west coast and attacking critical infrastructure to facillitate the invasion. Crowds gathered in WahingtonDC to wait their liberators with fowers.
>>2931478He knows his audience though, tbh I’ve just checked searching on Yandex.ru and it works so even if anyone did care (other than those convinced all negative comments they receive are fake) it’s not true that Yandex has been taken offline anyway.
Apparently they’re small, sparkly fires.
>>2931478It is YOUR duty to take up the mantle of bullying shitlibs on reddit now.
Ukraine received no advance warning from its partners before five Russian ballistic missiles struck civilian infrastructure in Kyiv, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said, stressing that intelligence on ballistic launches is one of the most critical tools for getting civilians to safety in time.
>“There was also a particularly vile ballistic missile strike on Kyiv—five missiles that hit civilian infrastructure. Unfortunately, we received no early warning from our partners about this strike,” Zelenskyy said.Lmao they got cut off
https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/russia-hit-kyiv-with-5-ballistic-missiles-ukraine-says-allied-warning-never-came-23387 >>2931478ukrop posts themselves are heavily botted lel, like look at that like to retweet ratio
>>2931472Statutory statused.
>>2931513lmao. I don't believe this.
>>2931305>>2931589>>2931513If this is true, not even europe, then I think someone is sounding the alarms about oil and derivatives inventories and pushing some politicians' doo-doos from the outside in.
US needs to start bombing the third world nazi country known as Ukraine
>>2931615>Russia is targeting schoolsLook whos talking
Apparently Russia is preparing to attack ukrainian banks. big if true.
https://www.npr.org/2026/10/13/nx-s1-6000051/ukraine-zelenskyy-npr-interview-russia-warThe Trump administration warns Ukraine it could cut off intel, Zelenskyy tells NPR
<The Trump administration warned it could cut off intelligence-sharing with Ukraine unless Ukrainian forces stop long-range drone strikes on oil refineries inside Russia, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told NPR.
<In an interview with NPR on Tuesday, Zelenskyy said the Trump administration's decision to lift sanctions on Russian diesel will not bring down fuel prices. He also refuted President Trump's assertion this weekend that Ukraine was to blame for the rise in diesel fuel prices. Zelenskyy pointed out it is because of the Iran war.
<On Friday, Trump moved to ease sanctions on Russian diesel exports. Zelenskyy said in a statement it was a "a weak decision by strong partners."
<Trump lashed back hard at Zelenskyy, saying, "I think it's time for Ukraine to get a new president," a leader who can reach a peace deal with Putin.
<Then on Sunday, Trump announced on social media Russia and Ukraine had allegedly agreed to a partial ceasefire to halt attacks on each other's energy infrastructure — catching Kyiv by surprise — even as Russian strikes on Ukrainian energy infrastructure continued.
<Zelenskyy told NPR he found out about Trump's assertion of an energy ceasefire agreement "through social like you" — meaning, from Trump's post on his Truth Social account.Damn, they couldn't even paraphrase him lol. Are they purposefully trying to play up his comically broken English?
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/trumps-envoys-reportedly-postpone-trip-to-putin-over-ukraine-relations-crisis-nyt/ar-AA2eahaDTrump's envoys reportedly postpone trip to Putin over Ukraine relations crisis - NYT
>US President's special envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are unlikely to travel to Moscow in the near future. The planned visit has been postponed, according to The New York Times.
>As the NYT reports, the disagreements between Ukraine and the US against the backdrop of the diesel deal between President Donald Trump and Russian leader Vladimir Putin have escalated into the biggest crisis since the Oval Office scandal last year.
>An unnamed US official told the publication that Trump is so angry with Ukraine that it is difficult to say what actions he might take.
>Sources at the NYT also report that Witkoff and Kushner have postponed their planned trip to Russia until Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy mends relations with Trump. >>2931756They are genus they get all the aid and dont have to pay the debt
>>2931346Neither of those are imperialism or anti-imperialism.
>>2931760And here people wondering how to get some bucks.
Literally:
>My goodness, what an idea, why didn't I think of that.Simply,
Step 1: don't pay 4 years of intense financing through credits and loans that made up around 60% of the aid that made above 50% of your GDP.
Step2: ????
PROFIT
Also:
>inb4 nato invades ukraine lmao. >>2931343>holy BVSED multipolarist Zelensky fighting the good fight against two imperialist powers simultaneouslyhe is the kwisatz haderach. the jew who leads the nazis in the mvltipolar crvsade against the golden billionoids and the eastern hoards…
>>2931804>>2931756unironically has this been done since lenin?
>>2931756This is most likely just Russian-side uncle-posting, until a real source comes along, of which I have found none. Save for poster quoting each other and reposting the claim.
It’s the midterms in the US soon isn’t it? Imagine if Ukraine hasn’t been cut off but Zelensky is intentionally not sounding the air raid sirens and accusing Trump of denying them intel in an attempt to swing the elections against Trump? Quite ironic given how much he pats himself on the back over saving the US from Russian bots lmao
At this point I’m actually glad he’s lived this long, I want to see just how close to the sun he/Kiev can get. I’d assume there is a point where he finally manages to exhaust even the most Russophobic, but honestly the Russophobia may be inexhaustible and we end up with Zelensky as the global dictator lmao
>>2931851Sounds more like a hardware limitation than a restriction because only restricting drones moving faster than 160km/hr is a retarded restriction that accomplishes nothing. If Ukraine is making faster drones then maybe Elon's network simply can't keep up lmao.
>>2931870Yeah it does seem odd that if they were getting cut off, then why in such an oddly specific half-measure?
I’m getting the feeling that indeed Ukraine hasn’t actually been cut off at all and they’re just making up problems that don’t actually exist to influence upcoming US elections. The US needs the sacrifice of Ukraine to continue grinding the Russian military like an addict needs crack, I can’t imagine Trump would be allowed to actually cut Ukraine off just because Zelensky is a gobshite.
Like the claims that they’re now blind without US intel on Russian launches and that’s why the air raid sirens haven’t gone off, but here’s my hot take on that: it’s happening every night anyway, it’s a safe assumption the last couple of nights would involve launches. Likewise the problem until two days ago wasn’t that Ukraine can’t tell there’s a swarm of Russian drones and missiles coming at them from all directions, it’s that they didn’t have enough interceptors for them but now all of a sudden knowing that yes tonight continues the unbroken chain of nightly attacks makes or breaks the defence of Kiev?
Nah it’s all bollocks, they’ll develop the narrative that thousands died in their sleep and it’s Trump’s intentional doing so get out there and vote Democrat, an outrageous act of electoral sabotage given recent celebrations of denying Russia exactly that ability and almost certainly an irrelevant act because, come on, what would Kamala given them that the Trumpster hasn’t?
>>2931896Starlink is just communications isn’t it? I don’t think it can track a Geran from space and control an interceptor all the way to it, much less do that for hundreds of drones at a time.
The cost cutting with interceptor drones is simply down to drones not being as fast, manuverable or well equipped with countermeasures as military jets are. They don’t need rockets, or expensive electrics, or fast and accurate actuators, etc. I mean fuck for the lawnmower powered ones you could probably track them on sound alone.
So Ukraine is now going to open a Western Front?
>>2931914Ukaine torpedoed the Polish navy 15 minutes ago.
>>2931917>Poland has a navylol but y tho?
something something polish submarine with screen door joke
Appearently some russian pow went rambo mode in kharkov and killed 5 guards.
>>2931928His name? Haz Al Deen
>>2931928The Ghost of Kiev will bring revenge
Trump acting like this makes me want to think deepstate behind him wants the war continue as long as possible. Still the simplest explanation is that hes just genuinely retarded.
>>2931937Kinda brings to mind, if they don't need Starlink, why do they need Starlink?
>>2931939Zelenskyy is the one being more retarded. How does withdrawing support make the war last longer?
>>2931941> How does withdrawing support make the war last longer?Russia has no reason to enter negotiations if Ukraine is forced to stop long range drone attacks on Russian energy infrastructure.
>>2931935Why didn't he join the Russian Oligarchy to quietly enrich himself and opress the russian working class additionally? Is he stupid
>>2931897>Starlink is just communications isn’t it? I don’t think it can track a Geran from space and control an interceptor all the way to it, much less do that for hundreds of drones at a time.The Starlink allows data to be transferred from sensors on the ground or whatever data.
>>2931897>The cost cutting with interceptor drones is simply down to drones not being as fast, manuverable or well equipped with countermeasures as military jets are. They don’t need rockets, or expensive electrics, or fast and accurate actuators, etc. I mean fuck for the lawnmower powered ones you could probably track them on sound alone.Your own image said jet powered Shaheds.
>>2931893 >>2931937>Hey big man listen up! I’m still going to pay for your service, but I might start to maybe potentially consider not doing so (btw I will still need the service even if I stop paying)I mean does it get any more pathetic than this?
>>2931945Geran-4s aren’t as fast as military jets, they have essentially RC plane jet engines lmao
>The Starlink allows data to be transferred from sensors on the ground or whatever data.Okay but then the sensor is on the ground and static, meaning it can’t chase the drone on the interceptors behalf. But even so, why would the data need to go all the way up to space, passing both the target and the interceptor, just to come back down to the interceptor? Why wouldn’t it just communicate directly to the interceptor? And frankly, given the rather basic parameters for intercepting a suicide drone, a disposable satellite receiver is probably more expensive than whatever on-board sensors you’d use.
<WILL NABU AND SAP STRIKE AT MALYUK?
>On October 13, 2026, Ukraine’s High Anti-Corruption Court (HACC) exempted Artem Shylo—a former advisor to the Office of the President—from punishment after approving a plea agreement with him. He admitted guilt in a case involving the embezzlement of Ukrzaliznytsia funds and the laundering of proceeds from crime. Instead of an actual eight-year prison term, he received a three-year probationary period but assumed significant obligations: to compensate for UAH 60 million in damages, transfer UAH 80 million to the "Come Back Alive" foundation, and, most importantly, provide incriminating testimony against other individuals.
>This decision could prove highly sensitive for both many SBU officials and Zelensky himself. Shylo worked at the SBU for many years; from 2022 to 2024, he headed the Main Directorate for Counter-Intelligence Protection of Critical Infrastructure and Countering the Financing of Terrorism—known as the "I" Directorate. Prior to that, he served as an external advisor to the Office of the President.
>Ukrainian channels immediately speculated that Shylo might have provided testimony implicating former SBU chief Vasily Malyuk. (3rd, 4th pics)
>Surprisingly, Zelensky immediately summoned Malyuk and held talks with him. (recently, 5th picture)
>he official line is that the discussions focused on boosting Kiev's energy resilience. However, it is highly likely that more sensitive topics—specifically corruption—were also on the agenda. In particular, the discussion likely covered what to expect from the NABU and the SAP, as well as how to respond should a genuine threat arise.
>Prozorov argued that the NABU and the SAP—along with proponents of holding elections in Ukraine—would strike at Zelensky and the SBU. Zelensky’s political opponents now sense his vulnerability, given the willingness of Western nations to remove him from the presidency. A "war of compromising material" could erupt at any moment, and Zelensky is at a disadvantage in this scenario.
I looked into it, this interceptor drone apparently can use Starlink for long range manual control, but then it also mentions having every sensor, communications and navigational system under the sun and built supposedly by one of the thousands of drone start ups created during this war, so whether that’s actually the spec sheet or the brochure who knows? Also made me lmao how dedicated they are to refusing to call a Geran a Geran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JEDI_Shahed_HunterSo now that ziggers and burgers are working together is slava ukraini anti imperialism
>>2931957>Russia and America working togetherLet’s not get hysterical
>>2931957Critical support for USA anti-imperialism against Ukrainian nazis.
>>2931957murica is fucking with ukraine because of Trump's ego. If you wanna know the real stance of the U.S as a project then pay attention to what the dems are saying.
Republicans are hyper-individualists with a nigh feudal way of thinking, dems are the actual competent imperialists from starship troopers that do things with a purpose and a plan. How do they feel on the subject?
>>2931957Yes. We only supported Russia to weaken America and Europe. But now that both America and Russia are joining hands against Ukraine it's time to shift our critical support to Ukraine as clearly America is far more annoyed by Ukraine at this point.
>>2931974
Welcome back to /leftypol/, Alexander Dugin. We're pleased to see you again.
>>2931974
>i live in an internet bubble
>>2931974
> Biden who enabled the Gaza Genocide and had plans to nuke Iran?
war with iran was already pushed on first trump's term (bolton even held a conference in warsaw selling us allies on the war) but he said no for which he got so much shit he caved in second time around
during binden's term it was not even a topic of disucussion because binden actively hated netanyahu, he was the sole reason why gaza didn't happen sooner
>>2931989
i'm not correcting my previous statements i'm proving every last thing you said was a lie
>>2931981actually the plan to attack Iran dates back to the early 2000s in the Bush administration when Gen. Wesley Clark blew the whistle on what was coming. the plan only moved to its final staes under the obama administration, tho, since the US wasn't sure about how many nuclear sites Iran had and pushed for a deal so that they could send in UN inspectors in to verify all their locations before striking, setting everything up perfectly for Trump to scrap the deal and give the final go ahead. we're looking at the final culmination of over 20 years of planning and scheming. very bleak.
>>2932002and to prove my point: watch the dems continue the war after the midterms if they take both the house and senate. this is totally bipartisan the american elites have been planning this for years. it's all theatre they are about to successfully complete it. they will break Iran like Syria. 10 years of sanctions causing hyperinflation and continual military strikes until finally the opposition is strong enough and the people desperate enough to change things and then Iran will fall like Assad did.
>>2932002america was fine with the JCPOA. israel wasn't. it would've passed had netanyahu not broken every political norm to torpedo it
>>2932006No. JCPOA was only ever a means to infiltrate Iran to verify target locations.
>>2932008JCPOA was obviously too leninent and didn't actually solve the problem of iran enriching to near weapon grade which gave them like 20 years of wiggle room. israel does not want wiggle room, they want iran nuked yesterday
>>2931957to be more accurate it's ziggers and burgers and zionists working together
>>2932015Meaningless diplomacy-babble to lull Iranians into a false sense of security please don't tell me you're stupid enough to believe him to be sincere.
>>2932016The entire "Netanyahu hates Obama" was purely a psyop in order to ensure the nuclear deal would seem legitimate to the Iranians themselves.
ffs why is /leftypol/ so naive? Holy fucking shit you have the trusting nature of preschool toddlers.
>>2932021i just don't remember anyone doing diplomacy babble before or after that one
>>2932021>The entire "Netanyahu hates Obama" was purely a psyop in order to ensure the nuclear deal would seem legitimate to the Iranians themselves. Lmao retard
>>2931957Anti-campism and anti-imperialism go together. Without that, you're either a zigger who loves homes being stolen on zigger terms, or a Ukkkranian who loves stealing homes on Ukkkranian terms.
>>2932002>actually the plan to attack IranUSA has plans to invade Canada and Mexico too. This doesnt mean they will as its the job of military to plan for different scenarios.
>>2932117Considering that every country mentioned by the general was indeed attacked by America ir's clear he was telling the truth.
>>2932093>Anti-campism and anti-imperialism go together.Well, this is a first.
Can russia do another mass mobilziation and take out kiev already, this war is so long its now 10 months longer then ww1.
Ukraine is so weak i think if they tried the entire front would collapse
>>2931928>Around 4:00 p.m., a man in civilian clothing approached a building housing members of the 72nd Separate Mechanized Brigade, opened fire, and first killed one Ukrainian service member, before entering the house and killing four others, according to Glavkom.
>In total, the shooting lasted for about two hours, Glavkom said, while British Broadcasting Corporation Ukraine added that residents called the local police station at 04:20 p.m. about the incident. Another service member was injured in a neighboring village, according to Glavkom.
<Glavkom said that two servicemen of the Russian armed forces fled captivity in Kharkiv Oblast.apparently he escaped with another Russian POW
>america has a decades old keikaku and turns out trump really is playing 4d chess and iran is done for
Doomers must all be americans that would rather imagine murica as an hypercompetent evil empire than to face the reality: the imperialist elites are bumbling retards and are losing due to their own idiocy.
>>2932162what are they losing?
>>2932165Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, all their bases in the Middle East, their air defense capabilities, their ability to threaten or pressure major adversaries like Russia or China either militarily or economically, their ability to do likewise with even lesser adversaries like Iran. In short, they're losing the global dominance they used to enjoy.
>>2932185>if i only look at isolated successes and ignore everything else things look great!The empire has shown itself able to still impose itself in the backyard. Sure they (eventually) succeeded in imposing an Al-Qaeda regime in Syria, but they're losing the whole region and can't do anything about it other than consider nukes because they've depleted conventional capabilities. Syria will be lost to them again sooner or later.
And they haven't successfully stalemated Russia in Ukraine. They're losing Ukraine and have depleted NATO weapons stocks and their proxy army. Ukraine is trying to cling to the last two strongholds of Donbas while running out of men, having no air-defense left (because NATO has none left to give them), watching all their infrastructure being obliterated and hoping that "long range strikes" will somehow save them even though Russia has vastly greater capability in that sphere. A simple tip for the future: the side constantly begging for a ceasefire is losing, not successfully stalemating their adversary.
>>2932202USA is realigning with Russia though. American oligarchy is much closer to Russian oligarchy and they have mutuals in Israel.
>>2931957
>ziggers and burgers are working>slava ukraini anti imperialism>mfw confusing fartbrainwaves ripple the airnothing the us does is anti-imperialist, never is, never have, since the end of wwii, and never will until they have a revolution.
buying Russian diesel out of desperation isn't anti-imperialism.
>>2931974
Haz Al-Din hands typed this.
>>2932204>realigning with RussiaI don't think so. USA doesn't know what to do so it's trying to pressure Ukraine into taking some deal at the moment, it seems, but this will change from week to week. The US establishment is anti-Russian. This won't change because Trump is flailing week to week. Talk of realignment is Kremlin boomer wishcasting. Will never happen.
>>2932021>The entire "Netanyahu hates Obama" was purely a psyop in order to ensure the nuclear deal would seem legitimate to the Iranians themselves. This is b8.
Economically, Iran inflation was reduced to one digit under the JCPOA. After and before inflation was two digits. If economic relief happens, trust me, the mechanism works as it's desired by the part attacked by the US; this case being, Iran.
>>2931870>>2931888True, but spreading the narrative that America stabbed Ukraine in the back is good because it demoralizes nafo and other imperalist ideologues.
>>2932093>>2932145what if i support Iran and China against the US and Russia? also i hope the DPRK gets some goodies from Russia and fleeces the shit out of ziggas.
>>2932334>Merka tied to a sinking shipabout time they start to cut the rope
>>2932428we don't care who you support in your fantasy world. we know you're a ukraine simp in this one so u can f off back to reddit
what did he mean by this?
I haven't seen so much seethe from NAFO in years
https://x.com/Kash_Patel/status/2110486280375054471>>2932459We are 1000 sanction licenses waivers closer to 2nd picrel.
Thanks Iran, thanks Houthis. Keep choking the straits.
Starlink has been fully restored, I assume Zelensky only needed to make one phone call to put the US back in its place.
>>2932145I'm sure anti imperialism is new to you zioziggers.
>>2931935>the azov battalion creation and it's thanks to him that it exists and functions as a nazi institutional organization within the ua army.Actually Azov is some kind of frankestein half-columbian drug cartel now. They only count s nazi vanguard militia in name.
>>2931939He's just retarded, look at fucking Iran. A dem admin would have have already won or the very least crippled Iran massively.
>>2932535>Starlink has been fully restored,Sauce? It was down during Russian bombings last night.
>>2932492I dunno, probably him not being pro Ukraine
>>2932570That drug cartel is institutionalized inside the ukranian army. The get pensions, they get state care, they get employment benefits, they get access to modern military equipment. Cartels would love to have that.
Also, mercs don't have access to all of that. They are part of the meat sent to be grinded.
>>2932684>Cartels would love to have that.Well anon…
>>2932202i would say this is a little to optimistic but its true that america isnt the power it once was, especially compared to 40 years ago where it could steamroll countries with virtual no opposition and basically losses which could be ignored. Trump is a symptom of decline and I have also noticed a shift from pure apathy to a more hostile anti-US culture, especially online. Go to the comment section of major news organization and to various news articles concerning the US, preferebly those with less views as they are less filled up with bots and people inside the bubble and the comments will be much more hostile to the US than they were even 5 years ago.
>>2932672Good. I hope they get wrecked.
>>2932492kek the comments are everything
>>2932763>>2932492he wrote that from the US. shitlibs and nafos can't hold their shits for a minute when the 'valhallan' hindutva writes nonsense.
What a moronic waste of energy and time.
>>2932672Yeah anytime now lol
Ukraine collapse status?
Ukrainian soviets fighting russian, ukranian and polish soldiers by 2028. All in.
Since ukraine=collapse
we can ask
ukraine ukraine status?
One must enquire about Ukraine’s current stature with regards to their military affairs and social cohesion
>Ukraine literally no longer allied with the US
>defend Trump and keep shitting on Ukraine anyway
You're doing a really bad job convincing me you're not SVR agents. Granted, you were never going to convince me you weren't anyway.
>>2932145All you want to do is replace the US as an imperial power. You don't actually want to end imperialism, you want to be the imperialist.
>>2932986western europe is no less imperialist than america is
>>2933034They aren't imperialist, they have no capacity to engage in imperialism anymore. Instead, they have up to now engaged in vicarious imperialism by doggedly following the American Empire wherever it goes, larping as still being relevant world powers. Now that the US has become an extractive racketeer towards them, they have been exposed as imperial satellites, politically incapable of exerting themselves beyond vague platitudes; in action, they are cucks and supplicants to the US because they are utterly terrified of making America an outright enemy. The only exceptions are Spain and Ukraine.
>>2933084Slava spain and ukraini
>>2932991Damn, that's some vintage capitalist projection.
>communists aren't real revolutionaries!>they just want to replace capitalists with themselves and their friends! >>2933089In the vast majority of cases yes, that is exactly what happens. Death to Leninists.
>>2933093Council communism will win
>>2933094>Proponent of an ideology that has never won in all of human history claims that they will winEven MLs can point to states they've built but you leftkkkoms can't point to anything at all.
>>2933112>I built something terrible, checkmate leftcoms!Its better to just demolish everything than construct something terrible. If winning requires constructing an ML state, Id rather just torch fucking everything.
>>2933084>They aren't imperialist, they have no capacity to engage in imperialism anymore. The French military has still been
occupying "advising" its former African colonies, and imposing the African Franc, for decades.
>>2933113Yeah, all that education, infrastructure, housing, healthcare, an defeat of fascism—what a waste!
>>2933084Wrong. the UK exports more financial services than america
>>2933113What is considered "terrible" and what is considered "good" can only be judged on the basis of what is possible. Pointing to some retarded imaginary utopia that has never been constructed in reality and then claiming that every society that falls short of that should not be supported is pure idealism. You are more of a Christian than a Marxist because you choose ideology and feels over materialism. Even Marx himself picked sides depending on the war and situation and none of the countries and societies he tactically sided with or leant support to were communist.
>>2933113what have leftcoms demolished
>>2933129The ability to have reasonable discourse on leftist sites.
>>2933125This is a misreading based off the fact that the UK's economy is so much weaker than America's. Finance capital in Britain is a big fish in a small pond. Finance capital in America is a big fish in an ocean full of other big fish.
To the surprise of absolutely no one “anti-campists” are just anarkiddies.
>>2933084arguing with russofascist shills is pointless
>>2933164Have you tried not being a zionist you little zigger
>>2933194Have you tried not pretending volunteering at a soup kitchen gives you some special insight to why US imperialism is no different to the acts of those defending themselves?
>>2933207Volunteering to help people absolutely means I will give your opinion more weight than an armchair theorist
>>2933212>Armchair theoristAs opposed to working down the theory mines? Stick to soup, thinking isn’t your strong suit.
>>2933112>Even MLs can point to states they've builtThis is a liberal accomplishment. Wow! You achieved liberal industrialization and created societies that over time got rid of their communes.
>>2933129What have MLs demolished besides feudalism and clear pathways to communist education? Also, I don’t want that “what have you done” bullshit. The “glowies are suppressing me” argument applies infinitely more to council communists and the orthodox communists than it will ever apply to those under Lenin. Why is it that so many people are more than enthusiastic to quote Lenin, but falter when it comes to Marx or Engels? Why is it that western communist ideology in general appears to suppressed from multiple fronts, but both anarchism and “communist” ideology from outside the west appears to have thrived in their place?
>>2933130lmao yeah pretty much
>>2933135Global shipping is 99% insured by British Banks retard
Russia just cant win, its over for multipolarity
>>2933243It was always over for multipolarity because none of them prepared for the inevitable effects of climate change in the slightest.
humanity was doomed the moment steam engines were invented, the only way to achieve communism now is mass suicide
>>2933255civilization itself is idealist
>>2933248"The climate
Armaggedon end of the world is coming! The oceans are going to drown us all in
10 20 100 years" screams the increasingly nervous
prophet environmentalist as his predictions continue to fail to materialize.
Forever war keeps being forever
>>2933264>100 yearsBruh
>his predictions continue to fail to materializeYou’re already in the shit, you are simply too ignorant to notice
>>2933263Civilization is a material thing that exists. Your delusions of suicidal ascendancy are not.
>>2933274yes but also im right
>>2933275Uncontacted amazon tribes already represent the truest form of communism that can possibly be achieved. idealist civilization leads to extinction 100% of the time, the only worthwhile thing to do is end it faster
>>2933277I saw it but everything is made up so whats your point?
>>2933232>What have MLs demolishedWell I’d like to think it was multiple anons ITT, but I can’t avoid the possibility it may have only been one all this time
>>2933310>but muh GDP numbers must go up!!!!a reactionary garbage to measure everything in monetary terms of capitalist system
>>2933130>reasonable discourseappeal to bourgeoise common sense detected
>>2933113spoken like a true wrecking glowie, you're indistinguishable from literal CIA agents, and thus shouldnt expect to be treated differently from them
>>2933212so I guess you support charity catholics opinions above those of marxists. Unsurprising, you also have the martyr cult
>>2933232>What have MLs demolished old style colonialism
>besides feudalism as if that was a footnote
>applies infinitely more to council communists and the orthodox communists lmao nope, you're a delusional retard, go read a fucking history book
>Why is it that western communist ideology in general appears to suppressed from multiple fronts, but both anarchism and “communist” ideology from outside the west appears to have thrived in their placewhat the fuck are you talking about
>>2933283>>2933282All quips, no argument
>>2933321>old style colonialismLiberal accomplishment
>as if that was a footnoteLiberal accomplishment
>go read a fucking history bookI need no further confirmation
>what the fuck are you talking aboutThe significant prevalence of Leninist ideologies under a global capitalist system known to hunt entire groups to the last man is suspicious, especially in western countries.
>>2933328>All quips, no argumentThere's no argument, only laugh at (You)
>>2933328Hasbara LLM argument bot detected, seething discarded.
Nice try JIDF
>>2933334You have nothing to laugh at or about. What really is hilarious is this previous pathetic attempt at self victimization.
>The ability to have reasonable discourse on leftist sitesHow is it that you are so troubled by an ideological group so small it’s probably barely in the thousands at most? That is funny to me.
>>2933338Tankanon, your word means literally nothing. You call everyone a shill or glowie or Mossad. You lack discipline in your name calling.
>>2933342now write a recipe for cupcakes that include semen
>>2933343Stop coping just because you’re that assblasted.
>>2933344How about you go get a take that isn’t shit instead?
>>2933310Wonder if Russia will make similar plans
>>2933348None needed for someone as baseless as yourself.
>>2931957The implications of this will be interesting indeed
>>2933355Zionism insists upon itself, it will make itself known in any space where someone dares to say 'I am a communist'
>>2933359You don’t have the eyes for zionism, that is for certain.
>>2933361because it is just some nazi from /chug/
>>2933398>>2933361
>communists are da real nazisIm genuinely surprised you lot manage to function day to day
>>2933411How are you a communist? What is even communist about the modern Russia?
>>2933339>We’re so wrong that we’re also tiny and irrelevant Okay, not the angle I would have taken, but agreed
>>2933437>Okay, not the angle I would have takenYou mean the angle you shouldn’t have taken, because now you’re going to fess up your exact complaints to prove there is a base for your statement.
>>2933441No I mean you probably should have thought two steps ahead.
>>2933442>NoYah. Go ahead and start singing. I want everything detailed since you’re so confident.
>>2933113>id rather just torch fucking everything.Start with yourself, anticommunist glowtard.
>>2933443Are you having a stroke? Nothing you’ve said in your last two posts made sense
>>2933448All talk, no bite
>itt: NAFOids crashing out because Trump put a stop to the givas train
Must suck to know that your genocide of Russians has been thwarted huh? Poor little Nazis…
>>2933449What? Any “bite” I could provide on an internet forum would be talk. I thought it was going to take a while to top the retardation of “Armchair Theorist”, did not expect it to happen the same day.
>>2933339>How is it that you are so troubled by an ideological group so small it’s probably barely in the thousands at most? That is funny to me.a speck of dust, which is what leftcoms are, can kill a person, depending on what the poison is.
but we laugh at you, because you claim to be some sort of miracle, or cure, or the panacea of capitalism. yet, here we are waiting to see the miracle of botulinum healing humanity.
You keep ranting. It's hilarious.
Forgot flag :D with the Flood detected; Post discarded.
You cant be a leftist and unironically simp for Trump and Putin. Its ideologically incohoerent. No, I will not be accepting counterarguments, youre wrong, Ive already determined this. Youre doing the classic fascist shit of co-opting left wing slogans while pushing far right horseshit.
>>2933659>ideologically incohoerentOnly to a reformist, who still adheres to liberal metanarrative where things just gradually get better, because ""progress"" o algo.
>>2933660sure, buddy, nazis are the real communists. I mean there is a socialism after all in national socialism… hopefully russia will reclaim its rightful lebensrau… i mean ruski mir and will secure the existence of russian people and a future for russian children…
>>2933513>but we laugh at you, because you claim to be some sort of miracle, or cure, or the panacea of capitalism. yet, here we are waiting to see the miracle of botulinum healing humanityNo one said anything about miracles. And honestly it’s astounding that you had the audacity to say this nonsense. Waiting? You know who was waiting for the ML’s to succeed in their interpretations of the communist revolution, of communist society?The world. You know who is still waiting for communist society to arise? The world.
The leftcoms as a whole at least has excuses galore for their delays. ML’s on the other hand already had the opportunities to have their grand experiments. And now they have nothing to show for it.
>>2933673Ukraine is free to stop trying to genocide Russians any time.
>>2933702haven't 20 million ukrainians already fled? is the rest of the country also going to leave?
>>2933738That guy has already chosen the side of american imperialism, nothing you can say can reach him
>>2933740I'm not trying to reach him. I'm trying to get him to say something that will get him banned. Like denying Ukrainian Nazism and West's role in it.
>>2933342>You call everyone a shill or glowie or Mossad. Is it really his fault that half this website is in fact a shill, a glowie, mossad or all 3 at once?
>>2933715>You know who was waiting for the ML’s to succeed in their interpretations of the communist revolution, of communist society?The world. You know who is still waiting for communist society to arise? The world. World? you mean the 'international community'?
The rest of the world didn't wait for the international community, because actual anti-imperial revolutions, and in multiple cases with Lenin, and Marx as foundational ideologues, have occurred in multiple times.
>The leftcoms as a whole at least has excuses galore for their delayslmao, what?
You know, I was too generous. you are not botulinum. Not even lethal, you and leftcoms in general, are just the cause of pestilent swamp ass with uncontrollable smelly flatulence.
I rest my case, because of this:
>>2933113Progress can't be gradual with you, you morons. But you'll never show us how it's done, besides bickering and dividing the people.
>>2933741It's easy. He has the urge to post gore when he gets cornered with polelols getting attacked by ukrainians in poland.
>>2933451>itt: NAFOids crashing out because Trump put a stop to the givas trainZiggers are going to fall for this AGAIN like they have before. Ziggers don't learn shit. You can't teach them ziggers nothing. It's just because the Republicans are crashing out and Trump has alienated the Tucker/MTG/Massie part of his constituency over Iran which also now means their Super Duties cost $300 to fill up. So Trump is trying to do this thing like:
>Zelensky stop blowing up oil refineries<*growly Zelensky voice* ERmmhmm noSo he can say Zelensky did it and not him, plz voot. Although in fairness Ukraine blowing up those refineries probably does have some upward pressure on world oil prices. I've been told however that the attacks are ineffective and Russia repairs them quickly and the drones are filled with stuff that just make them look like they explode but don't do any damage.
>>2933767I don’t think it’s debatable that someone trusts Trump. There’s no point of contention, no argument can be made to assert that anyone actually trusts him.
You can invent stuff inside your head, media won't back you. It's the philosophy already reflected in
>I have already spoken to three US Presidents. They come and go, but politics stay the same at all times. Do you know why? Because of the powerful bureaucracy. When a person is elected, they may have some ideas. Then people with briefcases arrive, well dressed, wearing dark suits, just like mine, except for the red tie, since they wear black or dark blue ones. These people start explaining how things are done. And instantly, everything changes. This is what happens with every administration.Of course, obsessed chuds like Blinken play a tighter role. It’s not the same when the state behind the politicians has some ideological differences as when it involves completely aligned politicians and state frameworks.
But no one is convinced that trump changes something or anything, until a revolution.
>Polish Foreign Minister Sikorsk complained:
>"The U.S. has not allocated a single cent for Ukraine’s defense since January of last year—ever since the previous funding package ran out. At the moment, it is Europe that is paying for this war. We are buying American weapons out of our own pockets to hand them over to Ukraine. We are sustaining the Ukrainian state, its defense industry, and its social sector."
Yeah, but they keep selling you the weapons you then send to ukraine.
Also, he's lying:
>Congress passed the Fiscal Year-2026 NDAA in December 2025 with $400 million for ukraine under USAI, and did it against the administration, which had requested no ukraine funding at all. The senate wanted $500m, the house $300m, the compromise was $400m. FY2027 is also $400m.
>That money is moving: per a Pentagon letter to lawmakers in May 2026, it breaks down as $200m for weapons and ammunition, $99.9m for vehicles and spare parts, $100m for logistics and transport. By late September 2026, $307m of the $400m had been committed, with first shipments beginning in September 2026.
As per some readings from aggregators.
Also, the US in the G7 agreed to move huge loans for ukraine. In 2024 for the ERA loans, allocating 20billion for various years. The US hasn't stopped these reimbursements. Plus, As of the Bank's 31 May 2026 update: over $90 billion mobilized, $72.8 billion disbursed, with PEACE alone committed at $53.5 billion. For scale, the next largest PEACE MDTF (Multi-Donor Trust Funds) donors are Japan at $470m, Germany $52m, Spain $50m. The US figure is fifty times Japan’s. Most of it is pre-2025 money, but it is disbursing through the war. With a 25.5Bn alone this year coming out of the US.
Sikorsky wants to use not a cent (appropriation dates) as a general no money from the US.
And the IMF?
ukraine is in a 48-month Extended Fund Facility, the Board completed the First Review on 20 July 2026, releasing SDR 503m (~$690m), with ~SDR 1.6bn (~$2.2bn) cumulative. And it's the US the financial muscle behind all of this.
The IMF also created its “exceptionally high uncertainty” (EHU) framework specifically to permit lending to a country at war, which would otherwise fail its debt-sustainability tests. That required G7 and US backing. The Group of Creditors has extended ukraine's debt standstill pending resolution of EHU. This categorization hasn't ended with trump.
The only thing that is true: is Europe is now bearing the marginal cost. But 'not allocated a single cent', the $20bn FORTIS transfer and the $25.5bn PEACE position this 2026, say otherwise.
>All three of Kiev’s combined heat and power (CHP) plants have ceased electricity generation following strikes against them.
>It is reported that the city has been forced to switch to power supplies from neighboring regions via an energy ring network.
>Furthermore, due to damage to critical infrastructure, there remains a risk that the Ukrainian capital could face power outages lasting up to 20 hours a day throughout the winter.
European adjacent news, features zelya:
>While waiting for Volodymyr Zelenskyy, reporters are trying to solve a mystery:
>Who keeps farting in the European Council press briefing room? 💨Friend of the ghost of kiev? cousin? sibling?
https://nitter.xitter.cc/POLITICOEurope/status/2111057946729652474>mfw this is a real news article.>>2933821Lindsey Graham’s various detached body parts are rolling in his grave!
Azov 9/11 approaching at fast pace.
>>2933918Give it some time and Cucktin will fund them like he does the AfD
>>2933922Azov explode a commercial plane into the White House with russian money. How do you react?
>>2933869Will Ziggers now stop pretending that Ruzzia is anti-imperialist
>>2933937no? i hope the russkies consume imperialist western europe
>>2933938Of course a zigger would cope
>>2933938American MIC and foreign interventions are like 10 times of Western Europe. It is still the core of global imperialism. At this point Western European imperialism is lesser than Russian imperialism. More so Russia is a fascist state with openly Nazi party (LDPR) in the ruling coalition.
Are there any leftist/socialist/communist parties out there that call for revoluionary defeatism in Ukraine?
>>2933958explain how the UK is the worlds #1 financial services exporter and how British Financial Institutions insure 90% of global shipping tonnage
>>2933965"British" only in the name
>>2933980More so it is a bizarre fixation on maritime insurance. Are you even aware that most of the cargo flows from China, and ahem there is a UK Bank called "The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited". For the Chinese government it is pointless to insure their own subsidized cargo obviously (just to pay themselves money for losing stuff).
>>2933980dumb. those taxes go only one place, his majesties treasury. america has less leverage over global shipping because its all owned and operated by british finance
>>2933989Under Schedule 7A of the Finance Act 1994 and HMRC Guidance, general insurance for commercial ships (covering hull, machinery, accidents, and ship liabilities) is exempt from UK Insurance Premium Tax.
>>2934012the insurance premiums themselves are whats tax exempt. British insurance companies providing these services are still subject to standard UK corporate income taxes on their overall business profits, including also VAT taxes and employment taxes. stop trying to wiggle your way out the fact that the UK is an competitive player in global financial imperialism, worm
>>2934018how much they make from it?
>>2934019>how much they make from it?more than what Russia makes
>>2934023A weak argument. If it is not in the range of trillions of dollars then it is not important. Russia spends like 300-600 billion dollars yearly for their own imperialism.
>>2934027>If it is not in the range of trillions of dollars then it is not importantmmm delicious euroid cope
>>2934031>imperialism is when exporting raw resourceshere, this community might be more your speed
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/ >>2934032I am just saying that the financial gains you are fixated on are meager and irrelevant. Probably not even a billion of euros are generated by the secondary taxing of maritime insurance industry for UK. This is why you have failed to answer how much money they get from it. However it is a center point of global dominance for you and it is retarded.
now we will wait another pivot and derail.
>>2933738The fact you even claim that was happening is enough to write you off completely. Just that statement alone.
>>2934053Your write offs are irrelevant. Russia is the second biggest imperialist power after USA. Western Europe is 3rd and China is 4th.
>>2933960Not as far as I know. The left is effectively dead in post-Soviet Europe. Such calls would only come from within, not without; neither the pro-Ukraine or pro-Russia sides outside Ukraine would want Ukraine to become socialist, but that is astronomically unlikely anyway.
>>2934056Im not going to class China as imperial until it takes Taiwan. Europe cant be lumped together, the EU is not a country. The French are, the Brits only insofar as they parrot whatever the Americans want. No one else there has the capacity to engage in imperialism even if thwley wanted to.
>>2934041The primary benefits of imperialism isn't Profit. It's leverage over global financial frameworks. The UK, along with all the other imperialist nations have had the power to exclude Russia from the global economy. What gives them this power is the most sophisticated form of imperialism: financial imperialism, which Russia does not employ
>>2934059Start of the discussion/derail was that after Trump switcheroo Western Europe become the torchbearer of imperialism.
here
>>2933034and here
>>2933125 russia sucks lol
>>2934076I know and don't care, I just like seeing liberals take Ls.
>>2933839>>2933836>>2933826you know things are going bad in the Hormussy, trump couldn't grab Iranians by the Hormussy, when he had to do this.
>>2933937>russia and iran won their anti imperialist struggle against the israeli-ukrainian-NATO axis, now the burger reich must lay off the sanctions… this means ziggers were wrong all along and ruzzia is imperialistcome on man i'm not even that big of a fan of ruzzia but this is just cope
>>2933924Russia will never be this based
>>2933924DONUT RAMP
IT IS YOUR LASS CHANS
GIVE ME 5 BILLION DOLLARS
TO BOMB DONETSK CHEELDRIN
OR I WILL DO NINE ELEVEN TWO
Это межимпериалистическая война.
>>2934264Anti-semites complaining about nazis.
>>2934387Will this war just involves sparse drone attack and property damages for the last 50 years?
>>2934393There is not much else they can do as breakthroughs at the front are impossible.
>>2934387Putin bet all on a soviet irredentist war LMAO
>>2934410>SovietPutin hates the Soviets, thobeit
>>2934393Nope, warfare is changing all the time. It looks like mechanized assaults plus drones are becoming a thing again. Right now RU is creeping forward very, very slowly and has problems defending, in fact they've lost a fair amount of gains recently.
>>2934264Now that's a good meme.
>>2934452War will become more “unfun” and unappetizing overtime
>>2934477someone needs to develop a cheap anti drone weapon already. war has become so fucking cringe with all these gaymer moids flying fpv drones. better yet let the nukes fly so we can go back to swords and shields and moids can aurafarm and be cool again instead of sitting in their drone goon sheds for 12 hours every day.
>>2934477Not what I’m suggesting. The process is a good thing.
>>2934532Cheap anti drone weapon is called "artillery strikes on enemy rear position"
>>2934387Once again air raid sirens going off all across the Baltics during this attack.
I do wonder why plausible deniability is constantly pursued in a very obvious proxy war, the drones fly thought Balt airspace repeatedly but air raid sirens are to suggest this isn’t consensual on their part, the US provides all the navigation data required to avoid Russian AA coverage to reach oil refineries and then stages Trump demanding Zelensky to halt energy attacks, etc. It can’t be that they genuinely believe Russian military intelligence is fooled by this, as Cucktin posters point out it’s unlikely that Russia is going to directly and proportionately retaliate anyway and ultimately various politicians and military figures just let the cat out of the bag and call it a proxy war anyway.
The only people they could possibly be intending to deceive are precisely the people who are indeed deceived that Ukraine literally receives no assistance, but honestly, who from any side gives a shit what NAFOids think?
>>2934581If you drop the act, you have no basis for continuing the war whatsoever. You can't just go out to the press and say that you want to kill people in another country and steal their resources, that's Nazi shit
>>2934421Doesn't hate their territorial extent
>>2934543Doesn't seem to be working
>>2934621Kessler syndrome soon
Is the old way of modern warfare, (with fighter jets, aircraft carriers, missile cruisers, infantry, stealth bombers, rifles, machine guns, artillery, tanks, helicopters, etc.), all irrelevant now? Is it all just drones flying into things and blowing them up now?
>>2934630*while targeting things that will cause economic/societal damage, rather than military targets
>>2934621>>2934629It's fucking over we are on our way to Martrix scenario.
>>2934630>Is the old way of modern warfare all irrelevant now? The fundamentals of war mostly stay the same but the form changes based on revolutionary leaps in technology. A fundamental thing is like how the defense is stronger than the offense (unless it's at sea then it's the other way around). That doesn't change if it's robotic.
>machine guns, artillery, tanks, helicoptersYou'll still have tanks but they'll be increasingly robotic. Tanks themselves replaced the function of horseback cavalry but the fundamental logic of the mission was similar. You still have infantry but the lethality of modern weapons is causing greater dispersion. This has actually been going on for several hundred years. A machine gun is a form of automation (of the firing mechanism) that was produced by industrialization.
Think we're in a transition phase where new technologies are now starting to come together to enable another revolutionary transformation of warfare. If you think about the introduction of the machine gun, that stopped large-scale maneuver. Tanks and airplanes were introduced in World War I, but they were primitive. In World War II, tanks and airplanes improved and could work together to break the stalemate created by the introduction of machine guns (also anti-personnel land mines, and faster-firing long-range artillery). What was also important to make that happen was the introduction of radio so tanks could communicate with each other in large formations. So we have drones now but it'll be the technology that allows them to operate en masse. Some kind of A.I. system, so instead of a couple of robotic vehicles with weapons on them attacking, you have hundreds of robotic vehicles breaking through the front.
>>2934587>want to kill people in another country and steal their resources, that's Nazi shityou mean the baltics, but those were nazi enablers faggot
>>2934652
mods, ban this mossad handler
>>2934682We all know nothing will happen.
>>2934684>>2934682AFAIK, Russia doesn't any drone, missile or whatever operations from Belarius, their closest ally, usually counted as pro-Russian belligerent in Wikipedia infoboxes. This is basically low key as if Russia was opening a Belarusian front.
If Russian critical infrastructure is now being targeted not through Ukraine, but through the entire NATO territory, this is an insanely belligerent move by NATO. The next step is just bombing Russia from NATO territory, by NATO planes, missiles and artillery. And considering how "boiling the frog" always goes, this will be the new norm in 2027.
The Cuckler must react, he is militarily forced to.
My guess is that Russia now has full legitimacy to conduct anti-drone operations on NATO territory in full capacity, not just electronic warfare.
>>2934682all bets on russia does nothing
Euroid here.
Which country to flee to due to the incoming economical armageddon? I have a stem degree and also speak passable Spanish and some Portuguese. Thanks.
>>2934731You might as well try to flee to Coruscant
>>2934731europe will still be the best place to be in the world. stay in your country
>>2934731>>2934733>>2934747>economicalSorry I meant nuclear.
>>2934751I wouldn’t be worried about that right now, but Switzerland I guess
>>2934752>>2934759Switzerlandchads… are they crypto-Hoxhaist
>>2934630You still need infantry to actually occupy anything, round up people, set up checkpoints. Provided your goal isn't just to destroy and kill.
>>2934567I keep showing our resident Anti Campist Bordigists Ultras Leftcoms WhateverTheFuckYouWantToCallThem clips of Satanyahu complaining about Russia/ China but they insist it's all just geopolitikkkal kayfabe and ackshually china and russia are even bigger friends of israel than america is
>>2934821Kinda amusing that theyre pro american imperialist propagandists.
They prop up the U.S as an infallible nation orchestrating a perfect keikaku and all AES and anti imperialist states as just evil puppets of mighty america (and that are therefore valid and even correct to relentlessly propagandize against)
>>2934759Most places even in Europe are not in any real risk of getting nuked. There simply isn't enough weapons to drop a warhead on every dunghill. Also intentional mass decimation of enemy populations with airburst H-bombs as the last and first option on enemy cities was only ever a mutt cold war doctrine. Soviets always had in mind decapitation of states and strike at grounburst military sites and bunkers and military industry. Lower AoE but much more destructive on hardened targets and dirtier at impact site than the American way. I believe Russia still has something similar. So unless you live in the capital, or near some military sites you won't die on the immediate effects of nuclear war or fallout.
If the european protests turned into a workers uprising, the EU would ask Russia to invade in exchange of Ukraine to distract. Just like Iran did with the US.
>>2934821Nations need not to be "friends" to make you realise they want to protect capitalism at all costs
>>2934940>China wants to protect capitalismYeah, nah
It’s honestly beyond satire that Trump’s election was denounced as influenced by Russian interference and the case made for impeachment based on that unproven claim, while Zelensky is currently trying to influence the mid-terms against Trump by falsely (according to Ukrainian sources) claiming that Trump is turning off Starlink and not sharing information from US surveillance satellites and that’s basically fine because the US intelligence agencies want the conflict to continue more than they want to ensure elections in the US are fair lmao
I know nothing ever happens, but it is at least entertaining to see a former low-rent actor, likely cocaine addict and dictator of an exorbitantly corrupt country become, quite possibly, the most important man in the world.
Like people aren’t losing their minds over it in the West because Zelensky is #ourguy, but genuinely it’s like giving Idi Amin the keys to the UN and it’s playing out as such. It’s a political joke.
>start the war lol lmaoing at Ukraine probably going to disappear because it means something is finally happening
>now effectively negatively polarized into being more pro-Ukraine than any NATO official
lol
The war is ultimately basically a tragedy without desirable outcomes, but once you see Russia as the United Kingdom, a has been country that refuses to accept history has passed it by and its options are to accept that and become a nice place to live or decline further and further by fighting it, there are no other conclusions. You can make whatever uncharitable assumptions you want about Ukraine and that conclusion will still hold. "Campism" or whatever you want to call it only holds if you really believe the other side is an alternative camp and not a joke. You can make it more viable by emphasising the China/Russia relationship, but in truth I think that relationship is at worst a mistake and at best is very similar to the UK/US relationship where the senior partner will throw the junior under the bus. (Indeed perhaps that's the only reason to cynically support Russia, to prolong the war and keep the US looking at Russia instead of China… Which is an end I support but not a means I support. A US-China war would be a civilizational catastrophe.)
Of course, none of us supports anything. These are all this irrelevant thoughts on an irrelevant website, as indignant as I'm sure they'll make someone who really thinks if he posts hard enough then Russia will finally capture Burgertown from Uncle Sam.
It certainly seems history is already passing America by as well. Just keep the peace and wait for the Chinese century…
>>2934961>Iran is 15 minutes away from building nukesDo you believe any fairy tale Netanyahu and Pissraelis give to you
>>2934967>Ukraine probably going to disappearChances are this still happens regardless of the outcome tbh. I’ve seen random people on Xitter voice their belief that a rebuild fund is coming that will Marshall Plan Ukraine into being vastly more developed and modern than Russia, but no actual declarations by the West to that end.
The only post-war scenario presented was essentially handing its governance over to US techbros to experiment on, but that was like three years ago now and no real idea if that’s the plan. But certainly there’s absolutely no chance that Ukraine receives billions to sacrifice itself for NATO’s opportunistic stab at collapsing Russia, then receives trillions to reverse that sacrifice regardless of what happens to Russia. Maybe they’ll get some development assistance to keep up appearances if Russia ends this conflict with enough economy to rebuild, but if Ruble is indeed reduced to Rubble then there’s absolutely no reason why Ukraine needs any consolation prizes as they did their job and got what their beloved nationalists wanted.
>>2934959Its kinda funny that Russia uses western nazis to cause chaos in their countries while justifying war against Ukraine by claiming there are nazis there. Now even close allies are targets for these psyops.
>>2934977>It’s kinda funny <insert Westoid yelping about their societies collapsing into fascism being Russia’s doing>No it’s not funny at all, because it suggests economic damage and resentment in the West has reached post-WW1 Germany levels somehow and history is repeating itself in blaming it all on a boogeyman who apparently won’t stop until eliminated.
Like haven’t you caught on to the actual coincidence here that western liberal governments keep pandering to Nazis at home and abroad, while claiming both exist because of Russia?
>We had to start imposing racist policies or National Front/AfD/Reform UK would win elections and that would be worse! Blame Russian electoral interference!
>We had to fund Neo-Nazis in Ukraine because those were the people who actually stood up to Russia!
>>2934982>Such a three-way meeting without Ukraine and thd EU would be unprecedented.The irony of saying this after years of “peace summits” that Russia wasn’t invited to and resulted in the peace deal of Russian surrender, restitutions and having Putin sing at Zelensky’s victory party while wearing a tutu and handcuffs.
does russia genuinely have no air defense? this is fucking embarassing, i guess thats europes saudi arabia
>>2934985Yes, that’s why
Ukraine NATO has to blow millions of dollars launching many hundred drones in a single night to land perhaps five on target.
>>2934985Their air defense system is very good actually, probably the best in the world right now. Reportedly they have over 90% success rate in Moscow including against big drone swarms. Apparently it doesn't cover the entire country though, so UA is now hitting other targets.
Similar to the small, smokey fires which failed to destroy all oil refining capacity in Russia forever, I suspect the peremoga in dropping 50kgs on data centres is that powering down the facility is likely and therefore causes an outage that gets reported and likewise we just forget it happened anyway if the facility is powered back up the next day/week/month
>>2934657I would argue that the main game changer in modern warfare are networks, surveillance and intel though. I mean you still have infantry doing reconnaissance missions, they're called "DRG"s, but their and the pioneer's missions as well are today different and more difficult compared to the doctrines of the past, it's almost bordering kamikaze. Meanwhile drone operators have taken over classic battlefield reconnaissance.
I think the peculiarity of this conflict is not so much the technology, but rather its usual in the sense it’s ultimately attritional warfare but unusual in the sense that Russia and Ukraine don’t have the equal ability to attrit each other.
Like I’ve no doubt Ukrainian military casualties are far higher, but Ukraine is expending people who would be considered unfit for military service elsewhere while explicitly blocking mobilising the young, healthy men any other military would have called up on day one. Russia’s military is made up of militarily fit men, thus even if Ukraine is losing 10:1… so? Who cares?
Likewise with the suicide drones, Russia has oil refineries, factories, E-commerce centres, a fleet of transportation vehicles, etc, Ukraine has some abandoned shells of former factories that now strap grenades to off-the-shelf drones, so what if they’re attacked? Who cares? Just build them in someone’s kitchen instead.
>>2934972I don’t believe Russian bots are responsible for all wrongthink on the internet in general, but Netanyahu taking the opportunity to align himself with the West in claiming all his detractors are Russian bots demonstrates definitively which bloc he belongs to.
>>2934821kinda sad they that anti-campists decided to fully ignore this. kinda shows that it wasn't never about having an open debate and a battle of ideas where the truth imposes over idealisms.
this is bloodgasm answering to the question ''why trump paused the sanctions on Russia before even they came into effect"
oh, yeah, bourgeoise alignment….
>>2934972he could have said that the data center in ukraine burning were the ones attacking ideologically israel on the internet.
he didn't.
>>2935078oh look it's paywalled. i guess the atlantic is now a business partner with russia too.
>>2935078>>2935093>oh look it's paywalled.Get the "archive page" exstension.
https://archive.ph/aISml >>2934974ukraine will absorbed by poland, that's why the west won't be saving it with a marshall plan.
or whatever leftover remains. the sooner they accept this, the better.
>>2935087ooof again? damn
>>2935064>picUSA got what it wanted out of Ukraine war. Now they are fine with both Russia and Iran as long as they keep being embargoed by Europe and keep causing rise in oil prices for US' Big Oil to profit from
>>2935138>USA got what it wanted out of Ukraine war. america wanted to throw away its hegemony by discrediting NATO?
>>2935143Hegemony is empty words without moneys. You should have expected this after whole late USSR trying to become capitalist by getting rid of it's sphere of influence
>>2935143As I said before these people are ultimately just pro U.S imperialism propagandists. No matter what you say, they'll always respond to something that boils down to "TOTAL AMERICAN SUPREMACY AMERICA ALWAYS WINNING ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU IF IT LOOKS LIKE AMERICA IS LOSING THEN ITS ALL KEYFABE!!"
>>2935155>Hegemony is empty words without moneysamerica is making way more money today than they were making the 90s. its europe thats getting left behind because they have no viable oil or natgas reserves and no tech sector, and as a result have become too much of a burden on the american empire to support. Russias sphere of influence expands over europe as americas retreats
>>2935163Europe and Japan have industries still, while USA deindustrialized in search of quick money - financial bullshit or tesla-like scummy monopolistic shit. It is very reminiscent of late USSR
>>2935168>Europe and Japan have industries stillEurope and Japan have industries that rely on massive amounts of imported energy. America has its own domestic natural resources. If Europe and Japan want to remain competitive with America and China, they need to import oil and natgas from Russia, kinda hard to do when america can get away with blowing up energy pipelines like Nordstream 2. A child could understand how America is automatically better off
>>2935078of course the libs are seething but this is a big nothingburger, same with anchorage and trump zelensky shouting match in the white house. Feels over reals. cucktin is stupid enough to fall for it, he is a fucking retard. cucktin appearently doesnt understand that the democrats are gonna sweep and then you gonna hear cucktin be mad again for being "deceived"
>>2935189I can’t really see how Putin showing up on Trump’s invite is harmful to anyone’s leadership but Trump’s. He keeps on trying to be provocative by meeting the various leaders that lib consider to be Bond villains, but to what end? How was meeting with Putin or Kim Jong Un actually beneficial for him other than simply generating headlines? Perhaps you can read a cuck message into “but what about the spirit of Anchorage!?”, but rather than looking like a tough negotiator Trump welcomes enemies like guests, gets shown up by his own state as lacking any support at all in front of them, then gets whined at by America’s actual allies for the visit who then nag him for money as penance which he inevitably gives.
>>2935168This is almost exactly the reverse of the truth in the case of Europe.
I don't think you have any evidence of this whatsoever, but if you had thought it through to the minimum level you would at-best be confusing a relative for an absolute decline.
e.g. if America's manufacturing remained static since 1990 - and it hasn't, it's grown - but other sectors grew faster, manufacturing as a share of the total economy shrinks despite manufacturing itself growing, because other things grew faster. Europe's manufacturing has generally grown less than the US, but because everything else has grown more slowly, manufacturing as a share of the total economy appears stronger in Europe even though that's just an artefact of a weaker European economy in general.
>>2935143Yes lmao. Mutipolarism by their own terms
Cut off from Russian energy and African resources and gutted by austerity, will Europe descend into failed states soon? Or do we have to wait until the AMOC collapse?
>>2934621https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/10/russian-spacecraft-maneuvers-in-extreme-proximity-to-satellite-used-by-ukraine/
>The situation remained stable until last week, when Kosmos 2612 began rapidly moving toward ICEYE-X36. By Friday, Kosmos 2612 was holding station 2 to 3 kilometers away before shifting positions ahead of and behind the ICEYE satellite, LeoLabs said. The satellites were within 500 meters (1,640 feet) of one another over the weekend, and “likely quite a bit closer than that,” said Adam Marsh, LeoLabs’ vice president of technical solutions.
>LeoLabs operates a global network of radars to track objects as small as 2 centimeters, about the size of a marble, in low-Earth orbit. The proximity of Kosmos 2612 and ICEYE-X36 “occasionally made it difficult to distinguish the two spacecraft independently,” LeoLabs said.
>As of Monday, Kosmos 2612 is moving away from the ICEYE satellite at a relative velocity of about 10 mph (17 kilometers per hour), according to Marsh.
>There were no reports of physical damage to the ICEYE-X36 satellite by the time Kosmos 2612 started its retreat Sunday. But getting so close to a US-owned satellite with military utility was a provocation, said retired Lt. Gen. John Shaw, a former deputy commander of US Space Command.
>“So far, the best interpretation of the Russian activity is clear messaging that they will intentionally conduct aggressive activity near platforms they perceive as actual or potential threats to their interests,” Shaw said. “A broader point is the acknowledgment this activity in the space domain is not at all different from what we often see Russia conduct in the other domains—close-in aggressive and provocative behavior.”Cucked out again. What a tease.
>>2935546later, europe's got too long of a way to fall before it stoops anywhere near afirca's or russia's level
>>2935735Very based, will never happen. Even despite St Petersburg being in Leningrad Oblast currently.
Lot of the car factories that were previously Western owned now build Chinese cars, but they’re given Soviet-era branding like Volga and Moskvitch, that is to say restoring Soviet-era naming is currently a marketing gimmick rather than something pursued from a position of true respect, let alone a desire to Retvrn.
Explosive-laden Ukrainian drone crashes in NATO state>An unmanned aerial vehicle entered Lithuanian airspace from Poland, according to the Baltic nation’s Defense Ministry<“Some of the drones were diverted off course by Russia’s electronic warfare systems and ended up in our territory. This particular drone is a consequence of the attack on St. Petersburg,” the [defence] minister told the LRT broadcaster. He also identified the drone as a Ukrainian FVP-1 model.https://swentr.site/russia/647410-ukrainian-drone-crash-nato-state/Waow what incredible luck for Ukrainian drones that Russian EW would inadvertently guide Ukrainian drones through Poland and the Baltics, well outside of Russian airspace, to nevertheless reach its target in St Petersburg. Somebody up there likes Ukraine.
>>2935736>Very based, will never happen. Why not? Will Yeltsin oppose this?
>>2934993Yeah. That's true. I think what everyone wants to do is speed up the time between identifying a target and tasking something to attack the target, since a lot of this is going on beyond visual range. So a reconaissance drone spots something that is 30 or 50 kilometers away, how do you then task something else to attack that target. That can involve technology (like command-and-control systems) and also organizational systems so lower-echelon units can proceed without waiting for higher-echelon authority.
It's actually a sort of dialectical way of fighting. Knowledge develops through praxis and your enemy is an active opponent who is changing in response to your own actions. So how do you adjust with constant feedback to then adapt faster than your enemy.
>>2935001That Ukraine has lost more people in combat is a meme. Russia has lost more. Several times more. But Russia has a lot more people. We're not going to agree and it's pointless to debate this though.
I'd just point out that the side doing most of the advancing / attacking usually takes higher casualties than the defender unless the defender is totally outmatched and outgunned.
It's why SWAT teams will try to grab one guy by surprise (when they think you're asleep and can't reach for that Draco) with overwhelming force and outnumber you 10 to 1. But an armed suspect who is prepared can inflict multiple casualties on a SWAT team. The bare recommended minimum for a successful assault is 3:1 in manpower. A more even ratio makes the likelihood of the assault failing significantly higher. (And 3:1 can still fail.) You can compensate for lack of manpower in an assault with more firepower. Like if you going in with 3:1 instead of 6:1 you will want to use more artillery.
This isn't an exact science. Like there's a difference between a defender who is asleep in his bed and a methed-out tweaker with a gun aimed through some bunker he's constructed inside his house.
So extrapolate that out to a battlefield and Ukraine are the methed-out tweakers, you're talking about advancing against a numerically inferior enemy but they're dug in behind fortifications and there are land mines everywhere and also they can see what you're doing a lot because they have drones. What it tells me is that Ukraine's changes of retaking the Donbass or Crimea is highly unlikely given the present circumstances, but Russia's advances have also been slow going and come at a high cost.
War goals are also political. Russia wants to change the government in Ukraine. That's the long-term goal. The short-term goal is to take the rest of the territory Russia has already formally annexed. Ukraine's long-term goal is to retake the territory it has lost to Russia, and prevent Russia from taking more territory, and to keep Russia from taking over the country.
>>2935735Watch United Cuckssia vote this down.
>>2935736The Champagne already anticipating it and making excuses early I see.
>>2935750Suggestions of Russia losing 10:1 is just assuming that despite Russia’s apparent superiority in numbers and zerg rush tactics, they’re struggling to capture the remaining 10-20% of each Oblast they’re annexing because Ukraine is using le drones to individually kill each and every soldier from cover.
That seems unlikely to me and likely projection. Bearing in mind it’s Ukraine who (perhaps arrogantly) gave themselves the victory goal of restoring full 1991 borders and that’s a goal that requires capturing far more territory than Russia does as of present. The only real change for Ukraine is that in 2023 they announce counteroffensives that will result in beach parties and then drive en masse into minefields and artillery cover to wide media coverage, in 2026 they ask people to not report on movements at the front as “OPSEC” so that any successes can be retroactively reported as the only intended objective. Changes in confidence aside, it’s apparent that it’s Ukraine that has been trying to aggressively push the line for 5 years to little success and the claims of stalemate is simply whataboutism.
For Russia, obviously capturing the last ~15% is important as the conflict can’t go on forever, but they’re relatively close to the Russian border still and enjoy far more air support than Ukrainians do. It’s often presented as a failure for Russia, but cities in Donetsk oblast being reduced to rubble suggests two things
>Ukraine is desperate to not retreat from cities for while they still exist, since you can’t capture 1991 borders by retreating out of the few remaining strongholds in Eastern Ukraine>Russia has the practically unopposed capacity to destroy cities via air dropped bombs, it takes time to destroy a city one glide bomb at a time, but attacks result in Ukrainian casualties that must be replaced to avoid retreat anywayI don’t see how that doesn’t result in catastrophic losses for Ukraine.
>>2935143>US hegemony has endedI wish I lived in the imaginary world that Ziggers seem to.
>>2935754Absolutely mind broken, I did in fact criticise the Russian government.
>>2935748Because the Russian Government are essentially Neo-Whites, there’s no political reason why they’d reverse Yeltsin’s renaming of Leningrad back to St Petersburg. Anything Soviet that remains within Russia is simply because the Russian proletariat has or would oppose its removal, at least in the 90s, not because Neo-Whites like being reminded of how based the USSR was and that history smiles on Whites losing the civil war.
Like it’s already pretty cheeky of them to include the White Russian flag during the victory parade alongside the Soviet victory flag but okay they’re going to rename Volgograd back to Stalingrad to preserve the history of the war.
>>2935247There are a couple of misleading economic statements in this post.
The G7 as a bloc went from 56% of global manufacturing value added in 2000 to 33% in 2022, while China went from 6.4% to 31%. This cannot be hidden by 'these sectors grew faster than the industrial one sumtin sumetin' or else China wouldn't have gotten so big.
>>2935735>>2935736If someone writes to Putin that it would troll the west, he would gladly promote the bill. TOP KEK.
>>2935739I can't wait to see violence against ukrainians in poland explode again.
>With Trump's removal of Starlink, Russians are now hunting cars full of people in Kyiv, using jet drones for which Ukraine's interceptors no longer function to stop.
<Jay in Kyiv
Yep knew it, all the failures Ukraine already were suffering now suddenly become new problems created by Starlink or the lack thereof.
I suspect it’s a combination of Zelensky getting precious about Trump being the only Western leader to not praise him as the saviour of the world, the acceptance that Patriots aren’t coming simply because enough of them can’t be produced and quite possibly the conflict is drawing to a close now and of course that needs the Peremoga of new Ukrainian advances cut down in their prime by the Zrada of having Starlink switched off.
>- Russia has a massive logistics problem in Donbas, as Ukrainian drones are destroying its vehicles.
>- The Kremlin informs the White House about this problem.
>- Musk, Trump, and Hegseth throttle Starlink in Ukraine, hampering Ukrainian drone strikes.
>- Trump and his pals are promised lucrative business deals with Russia.
>- Thousands of Ukrainians die, while Russia threatens to seize even more territory.
>I've never witnessed such a betrayal in my life.
<Vatnik Soup
It maybe happening thread, the narrative is developing. Ukraine on the cusp of total victory, Zrada’d to fuck by Putin’s BFF, so did Ukraine really lose therefore?
>>2935756>not what he saidI wish I had the reading comprehension of leftcoms. Blissful ignorance must be a blessing: no chronic depression, no neurotic behavior, and no need to read at all.
>>2935790I wonder if ukranians have a more accurate reading of the us politics and know that trump is donzo gonzo. Blaming trump, musk, they are trying to appeal the next-to-come liberal establishment.
>>2935736wtf, champagne fag actually has point for once?
>>2935811So there are midterms coming up in November which I’m sure they want to go in favour of the Democrats, (btw someone better put Loomer on suicide watch) but I’m not sure if they’re having a crack at blatant election interference for givas because honestly it’s unclear if there’s anything the Democrats can give that Trump hasn’t already.
The expectation is that NAFOids are supposed to forget the problem was no Patriots, now it’s no Starlink and I don’t know how a Democrat senate is supposed to conjure up the non-existent Patriots or order an offended Musk to give back Starlink (assuming of course it actually went away).
>>2935750>It's why SWAT teams will try to grab one guy by surprise (when they think you're asleep and can't reach for that Draco) with overwhelming force and outnumber you 10 to 1. But an armed suspect who is prepared can inflict multiple casualties on a SWAT team. The bare recommended minimum for a successful assault is 3:1 in manpower. A more even ratio makes the likelihood of the assault failing significantly higher. (And 3:1 can still fail.) You can compensate for lack of manpower in an assault with more firepower. Like if you going in with 3:1 instead of 6:1 you will want to use more artillery.Love how this logic is used as to argue that Russia loses gazillion more but whenever Ukrops claim to advance they still lose less. Its pure cope
>>2935736>marketing gimmick you're saying porky's marketing division looked at the numbers and saw Soviet nostalgiabait is most profitable and successful form of advertisement among consumers? i would've expected the opposite in putlers liberal russia
>>2935837Simple brand recognition for Russian made cars I’d imagine, it probably helps that both Moskvitch and Volga aren’t necessarily Soviet-isms
>>2935857Kallas on suicide watch NOW
>>2935857Multipolarism achieved. What now?
>>2935835>but whenever Ukrops claim to advance they still lose less. We are reaching levels of Farce that shouldn't be possible.
We are in for "clean Wehrmacht" about the Ukrainian army well, the Nazoids specifically. Propped up by performative kowtowing by western MIC people to their visionary tactics and drone wunderwaffe. To smuggle the illusion of victory in a torrent of MIC soy circlejerk. And to legitimize keeping up their use as proxies worldwide.
I'm looking forward to the retread of the Gehlen org and so on international NATO fascism… But made up of even less principled opportunists running on three generations old hand-me-down butthurt, Nazi aesthetics and Zionism to balance it out for the viewers at home. While the entire state apparatus is literally delegated to techbros so they can prototype the Moldbug/Thiel version of West Germany in Ukraine.
I can't wait for Cucktin to give up, so these retards can unleash ruin on themselves without impediment.
>>2935750>the side doing most of the advancing / attacking usually takes higher casualties than the defender unless the defender is totally outmatched thats just not true in many situation, typically even in ww1 trench warfare the attacking side often had less casualties than the defending one, because mass arty is just that good. Drone warfare is unprecedented, so I'd definitely not take bold stances affirming anything like that.
I dont think comparing large scale modern warfare to police grabbing a schizo holed up in his house is in any fucking way sensible
>>2935833I’ve got more points than Sonic the Hedgehog and I’m just as quick to make them
>>2935868Now we wait until Communism
>>2935868Endless inter imperialist war and mass slaughter between capitalist countries until socialists finally get to take over a random country that has been weakened enough.
>>2935883This MF wrecker wants us to destroy this fragile, newly established multipolarity by weakening national unity 🤣
>>2935868Dividing earth between the two imperialist camps.
>>2935781your post only makes sense if you, too, fail to understand how
share works. G7 manufacturing has grown since 2000, Chinese manufacturing has grown faster, thus China's
share of global manufacturing has grown. Conveniently, US manufacturing growth since 2000 has been the strongest in the G7. "or else china wouldn't have gotten so big" only makes sense in a world where demand for manufactures is fixed, which it obviously isn't. (On top of everything else: as China has grown, Chinese people have been able to have more stuff! 66% of Chinese manufacturing is for domestic consumption!)
moreover,
within China manufacturing as a share of GDP has fallen because of the forces I describe. (Manufacturing grows, services grow faster > manufacturing's
share of GDP shrinks.)
>>2935893>blah blah blah west good east badCcp will collapse any day now
>>2935900the east sux. only the socialist countries are good. i don't give a fuck about BRICs or "the global south" the global south can go fuck itself if they're not communist. if India fights America i hope they both die. if Russia fights Europe I hope they both die. fuck your "global south" and fuck your anti-communist geopolitical groupings.
>>2935911uh oh is the lil zigga going to have a melty because communists aren't lining up to glaze putin? tough luck libtard. go volunteer for the war to get droned if you love nationalism so much.
>>2935913>CommunistNo you’re a cunt
>>2935900nothing I have said is anti-China. if anything, the primary task of the world today is to manage the move from a US-dominated world to a China-dominated world without the US doing anything retarded and fucking up civilisation as a whole. Europe and Russia are utterly irrelevant in this regard. They're the past and the future lies east.
Panic over US probe into Kiev’s links to Mexican cartels>Vladimir Zelensky’s officials took drug money to train at least 80 cartel members in drone warfare, according to Russian intelligence<Ukrainian officials are reportedly panicking after US investigators uncovered links between Mexican drug cartels and Kiev, including paid drone training for cartel members.>The Washington Post similarly reported last month that Mexican cartels were hiring drone operators who had fought in Ukraine and were sending members there for training. The State Department said it was working with Kiev to prevent those skills from reaching the cartels.https://swentr.site/russia/647433-us-probe-ukraine-mexican-cartels/Lmao he just never bottoms out
>>2935950>Vladimir Zelensky’s officials took drug money to train at least 80 cartel members in drone warfarewhat the hell lmao are they trying to get america angry on purpose or what
>>2935953>he still believes in war on drugs rhetoric LOL. Look up "Juan Orlando Hernández"
>After working with various leaked Russian documents at all levels for years, it has always been clear to me that the US is viewed as Russia’s number 1 adversary. That hasn’t changed since the 1945. No matter how friendly the US is toward Russia, it won’t change its strategic view
<Tatarigami_UA
Sounds like a desperate plea to me
>>2935987Booo who needs ROK when the DPRK has your back?
>>2935992why have one slice of cake when you can have two?
>>2935893And your post omits that it is because of the growth of the manufacturing base of China that it allowed the services in the west to outgroth the manufacturing base, including Chinese's base, too. a universal force cannot explain a differential outcome. Services grew faster in both, China and the G7, and one tripled its share of world manufacturing while the other roughly halved it. if the same force operated on both and produced opposite results, the force isn’t doing the explanatory work. something else is. you described an accounting identity and called it a cause.
Now, 2 corrections:
<1st>Conveniently, US manufacturing growth since 2000 has been the strongest in the G7This study, from 2013:
https://www.upjohn.org/MEG/papers/Measuring%20Mfg_Houseman_Bartik_Sturgeon.pdf
>When the computer and electronic products industry is excluded, real GDP growth in manufacturing falls by two thirds between 1997 and 2007, the decade leading up to the Great Recession. In 2011, without computer-related industries, real GDP in the manufacturing sector was actually lower than in 2000. The computer and electronic products industry similarly drives real manufacturing output growth in most U.S. states. Real manufacturing GDP growth between 1997 and 2007 falls by more than half in a majority of states and by at least 25 percent in all but 10 states.p.3.
tl;dr:
>Houseman, Bartik and Sturgeon found that excluding computers and electronic products, US real manufacturing value added in 2011 was about 5% lower than in 2000. Ex-computers growth over 1997–2007 was 1.2% a year, roughly a third of the published aggregate rate.The authors of that study flagged offshoring bias overstating real manufacturing value added by up to 20% for 1997–2007, and recommend that statistical agencies publish manufacturing figures excluding computer-related industries.
So the point is
he single sector carrying essentially all of America’s measured manufacturing 'growth' is the one whose physical production moved to Asia., and the same authors note the US share of computer and semiconductor production has itself fallen sharply. 'US manufacturing grew' is, to a first approximation, a statement about how statisticians deflate semiconductor prices.
<2nd.you are treating manufacturing as consumption: more stuff for everyone, non-zero-sum. but
deindustrialization arguments are about capacity, leverage and security, where relative position is the whole point:
a) Shipbuilding: China went from under 5% of global output in 2000 to over 53% in 2025, with over 60% of the global orderbook. The US was 0.11% in 2024 and effectively zero in 2025.
b) CSSC alone builds more commercial tonnage per year than the entire US industry has produced since 1945. Three US yards closed since 2010; sector employment down 15%.
UNIDO projects the US share of global manufacturing value added falling to 11% by 2030, with China at 45%.
Baldwin (
https://rbaldwin.substack.com/p/is-china-still-the-worlds-sole-manufacturing): China now produces more manufactured goods than the next nine largest manufacturers combined.
None of a, b and c are a "share" illusion.
And one final thing you should be measuring:
https://economics.mit.edu/sites/default/files/2026-03/On%20the%20Persistence%20of%20the%20China%20Shock.pdfp.381, p.384
>We evaluate the duration of the China trade shock and its impact on a wide range of outcomes over the period from 2000 to 2019. The shock plateaued in 2010, enabling analysis of its effects for nearly a decade past its culmination. Adverse impacts of import competition on manufacturing employment, overall employment-population ratios, and income per capita in more trade-exposed US commuting zones are present out to 2019. Over the full study period, greater import competition implies a reduction in the manufacturing employment-population ratio of 1.54 percentage points, which is 55 percent of the observed change in the value, and the absorption of 86 percent of this net job loss via a corresponding decrease in the overall employment rate.>(for the US) About 86% of that loss was never reabsorbed: workers left employment rather than moving to other sectors. Third-worldist leftcommunism is unironically going to become a thing at this rate. Poor iraqi leftcom, man.
>>2935950>svr and rt trying to make look Trump though on Zelensky by making up a conflict of interest that doesnt existappearently they still hope for trump, fucking cucks, and of course champagne faggot falls for it, keep sucking trumps cock retard
>>2935950>>2936098I think this is just grinding the edges of the knifes at zelya.
>>2936098You know you can react to news without saying
>Cuck>Champagne>Cock >>29360560.86% of 1.54% of the manufacturing workforce (14% of the total workforce in 2000, charitably
not excluding computers and electronics) left employment and never returned over a 20 year period, in a country with an ageing population and in a sector where the entire point is that capital can substitute labor? and with a shock that plateaued half way through the measurement period? pass the smelling salts, that's a national catastrophe.
>>2936060Because they are not dialectical materialists. If you understand things as a process in constant change and movement then a statement such as "if India fights America i hope they both die" are not possible, because you understand that both countries are capable of change and therefore wishing upon their destruction is senseless bloodthirst and nihilism.
But because they are not dialectical materialists they do not perceive things as in a state of motion and change, but as things that are fixed rigidly. It manifests in many ways, but once you see it you can't unsee it.
Musk Ordered Starlink Slowdown That Blindsided Ukraine>The SpaceX founder authorized the move and has been discussing Ukraine with Trump, but the president has denied ordering the restrictions<Elon Musk ordered the slowdown of a military-grade version of Starlink relied on by Ukraine, a decision that sparked panic in Kyiv and confusion inside the Trump administration, U.S. officials and people familiar with the matter said.>[Elon Musk previously denied being responsible for these restrictions, claiming he had no control over the Starshield system's speed limits.]https://www.wsj.com/world/ukraine-starlink-elon-musk-trump-dbc49193?mod=mhpHaha no fucking way, Trump is throwing Musk under the bus to keep Ukraine on-side for midterms! I don’t know whether to admire Zelensky for how well he can play Western governments, or whether to pity said governments letting their insatiable Russophobia put such a corrupt country and leader in the driving seat of the Unipolar world.
Like what’s next? South Korea being denounced as a Putinist dictatorship and libs all agreeing “that’s just what Koreans are like, genetically”?
>>2935755>Suggestions of Russia losing 10:1 is just assuming that despite Russia’s apparent superiority in numbers and zerg rush tactics, they’re struggling to capture the remaining 10-20% of each Oblast they’re annexing because Ukraine is using le drones to individually kill each and every soldier from cover.Maybe 3x or 4x but not 10x. Also it's not an assumption Russia is struggling to capture the rest of these oblasts. They are struggling to do it because it's really hard. Also it's not just drones but mines. Remember that big Ukrainian offensive that went nowhere? A big reason for that was mines but there are shitloads of mines everywhere on both sides. Also Ukrainians. And Russians. And they're heavily-armed with grenade launchers and will blow each other up if they see each other. I mean it's a lot of reasons.
>That seems unlikely to me and likely projection. Bearing in mind it’s Ukraine who (perhaps arrogantly) gave themselves the victory goal of restoring full 1991 borders and that’s a goal that requires capturing far more territory than Russia does as of present. Compared to Russia taking the rest of its declared oblasts, yes.
>Changes in confidence aside, it’s apparent that it’s Ukraine that has been trying to aggressively push the line for 5 years to little success and the claims of stalemate is simply whataboutism.Well it's politically threatening to say it's a statemate because that implies they can't retake much territory outside of these limited operations. Russia gains a few hundred square kilometers and then Ukraine recaptures a similar amount somewhere else but the overall picture doesn't change.
>>2935871>thats just not true in many situation, typically even in ww1 trench warfare the attacking side often had less casualties than the defending one, because mass arty is just that good. Well I mean as a general heuristic. So that doesn't happen when the attacker brings a lot of artillery to bear to overcome the defender's advantages, but the reason they did that is because it would be a bloodbath for the attacker because defending is less complicated than attacking, all things being equal. Russia is historically an artillery-heavy army to try and compensate for the kludginess of their army's organizational structure.
>>2936421>They are struggling to do it because it's really hard.That’s true. But that’s because although Russia has only ~15% left to capture, the reality of it is that Ukraine is pushing most of its men and resources into the ~1% of that territory that is urbanised or has tree cover. So it’s difficult to advance on a city like Kramatorsk with drones, mines and anti-tank missiles pouring out of it towards anything that moves, but at the same time, refusing to retreat from a city that has essentially no air defence means for Russia it’s like shooting monkeys in a barrel and thus the battle of “symbolicshitholivka” is always just Ukraine busing recruits into the town to occupy whatever buildings are currently still standing at that point in time and ends when there aren’t any left.
Russia does nevertheless make advances towards these urban centres, but seemingly only to bring artillery within range to complement the already months-long drone and glide bomb campaign.
Russia only ends up entering towns when half the buildings are already destroyed and Ukraine can’t physically fit enough men into what remains to hold it, not that this stops them from trying anyway.
From Russia’s perspective, they’re spread out over a much wider area and facing a foe that lacks much in the way of air and artillery support. Ukraine can and does complicate logistics with medium-ranged drones, but they just aren’t able to likewise level Russian settlements with the luxury of time, thus they’re much more needing of big arrow advances to take those broadly intact settlements. Which is possible, but they’re facing the same problem of FPV drones pouring out of said settlements as they trundle across minefields.
Again, I just don’t see how this situation doesn’t result in catastrophic casualties for Ukraine.
And yeah when people claim the front is a stalemate, it’s based on the common assumption that despite having free reign to attack Ukrainian troops wherever they’re being holed up in Donbass, Russia must be trying to Zerg Rush anyway because Enemies at the Gate and the History Channel says that’s the only way Russia knows how to fight.
>>2936428Well what happens is the war moves underground. These cities were built during the Cold War and have a lot of bomb shelters underground, or the Ukrainians just build more of them. I think your conception of your enemy is a little too frozen or fixed.
>>2936438It's arguably a stalemate because neither side can gain an operational breakthrough. Maybe that changes but the lines haven't moved all that much in a year. A lot of people can still be dying in the war but that also happened in World War I while the front lines didn't move much
>>2936255i know you are trying to being sarcastic. shame. I would have hoped you to learn to take it two notches back. Problem is, by trying to overlook what I said and mock it, you changed numbers, and mixed up everything, while also doing new claims that doesn't add up.
Re-Read, and find where you are all wrong. When you do, tell me again where "in a country with an ageing population and in a sector where the entire point is that capital can substitute labor" helps your punchline.
>>2936421>Russia gains a few hundred square kilometers and then Ukraine recaptures a similar amount somewhere else but the overall picture doesn't changethats just not what is happening. Russia is still advancing, slowly but surely. And the attrition rates are very high, and the economic damage ukraine suffer is ridiculously high compared to russia. The picture for me is increasingly bleak for ukraine, as it has been since the start
>Russia is historically an artillery-heavy army to try and compensate for the kludginess of their army's organizational structurethats a very retarded statement, being artillery heavy demand MORE organization, coordination and supply, and the red army was by far the most well organized and coordinated force of this magnitude by the end of ww2.
>So that doesn't happen when the attacker brings a lot of artillery to bear to overcome the defender's advantagesyes, so an offensive, despite taking more firepower/men, dont take more casualties, so your heuristic is simply wrong for casualties assessment
>>2936421>Russia is historically an artillery-heavy army to try and compensate for the kludginess of their army's organizational structure.Wtf are you talking about? Deep battle emphasized combined arms and saying thjs after we know how WW2 ended is straight up delusional.
>>2936459>Russia is still advancing, slowly but surely.The overall net territorial gain for Russia this year is close to zero. In the last month they probably lost territory.
>And the attrition rates are very high, and the economic damage ukraine suffer is ridiculously high compared to russia. Undoubtedly, and the war is being fought on their territory.
>thats a very retarded statement, being artillery heavy demand MORE organization, coordination and supply, and the red army was by far the most well organized and coordinated force of this magnitude by the end of ww2.In terms of aggregated numbers and concentrated force in gigantic field armies, but their system creates a different set of problems. They don't have strong NCOs in their system. Flag officers are even more important in relative terms, which means lower-echelon units are relatively kludgy in operational maneuver. For the WWII example, it was typical for a whole Soviet rifle platoon to provide a base of fire for maneuvering platoons, which was scaled up and that added a lot of weight of firepower, but these units are less maneuverable because they're larger. And then to compensate for that you have more artillery. But a problem now is that the top leadership of the Russian army circa 2026 is arrogant and bad. Also a lot of their top guys are idiots and Gerasimov is a drunk.
>>2936492>Wtf are you talking about? Deep battle emphasized combined arms and saying thjs after we know how WW2 ended is straight up delusional.Sure. That's an operational-level theory to make the Soviet army that actually existed in WWII work within a way that maximized their strengths and minimized their weaknesses. So the question today is why haven't these Russian assaults achieved the kinds of breakthroughs that the Soviet army was capable of doing during WWII.
>>2936506>The overall net territorial gain for Russia this year is close to zero. In the last month they probably lost territory.Even assuming all the worst things they've been saying about Lyman have been true, Russia has taken the same amount of territory in the Karkhiv direction alone.
So, is it over? What are you guys going to do with your lives now?
>>2936537Theyll find a new right wing imperialist to worship for the cause of anti imperialism
>>2936538Not many of those left.
>>2936506>So the question today is why haven't these Russian assaults achieved the kinds of breakthroughs that the Soviet army was capable of doing during WWII.Not the same army you faggot
>>2936421>>2936506>Russia is historically an artillery-heavy army to try and compensate for the kludginess of their army's organizational structure.<Confuses the Soviet and Russian army and then wonders why they dont show the same performanceukrop tier
>>2936506>But a problem now is that the top leadership of the Russian army circa 2026 is arrogant and bad. Also a lot of their top guys are idiots and Gerasimov is a drunk.ok and? what has that to do with the soviet army?
>>2936553>>2936549thats me for the record
>>2936562Just look at the mayhem communism caused in China, a society famous for its lawlessness and its state of constant upheaval and impending collapse. Pure Satanism at work.
>>2936562I wish I lived in the same world as conservatives/reactionaries
>>2936506>but their system creates a different set of problems. They don't have strong NCOs in their systemsound like the typical nato werhaboo wank, and completely useless for analyzing the war today
>>2936792Because Russia's entire military strategy hinges on sending groups of 2-3 soldiers to slowly crawl through no man's land and 99% of the time they get raped by Ukrainian mines/drones
>>2936443>I think your conception of your enemy is a little too frozen or fixed. Quite ironic since
>Well what happens is the war moves underground.Implies every battle is a repeat of Azovstal.
>>2936792>cities are dark, have no water and smell like shit and have generally collapsing infrastructure.This is how Russia was without war outside of Moscow and still is
>>2936792that's true of Britain too and they're not even at war
>>2936562What left wing policies does Russia have European Union doesn't? Russia is a hyper capitalist feudal state.
>>2936826it has a boomer party with communist aesthetics while some EU states ban the hammer and sickle, surely that's gotta count for something!!
>>2936844>EU states ban the hammer and sickle, surely that's gotta count for something!!Cuck.
>>2936861>KPRF is the only Communist party in Europe relevant enough to suffer political repression Based.
>>2936867>Champ when Communists get repressed by a European country:<FASCISM. EVIL. SUPPORT RUSSIA AGAINST THESE AWFUL REACTIONARIES. ONLY RUSSIA CAN SAVE THE LEFT.>Champ when Communists get repressed by the Russian government:<BASED. GOOD. WHO CARES ABOUT COMMUNISM ANYWAYS? PUTIN IS MORE IMPORTANT.the goyim have gone insane
>>2936868communism is ultra-left sweaty. if you want communism before the great evrasian steppe is unified that's like bordiga o algo
>>2936868You have captured my essence. I am the mirror opposite of
>EU states ban the hammer and sickle, surely that's gotta count for something!!>BREAKING NEWS CUCKTIN ARRESTED ANOTHER COMMUNISTthough I may point out the obvious simping and double standards for the West ITT, I am in fact the one simping for Russia
>>2936562I love how the main point of the book flies completely over his head, namely that capitalist development reduced the role of the traditional family. Cucktin is setting these guys free btw.
>>2936874>>EU states ban the hammer and sickleThat is just few butthurt belt countries (Poland and Baltics) who banned specifically Soviet Union symbols. Many EU countries have communist parties.
>>2936861Based Putler prevented another colour revolution by "communists".
Russia simping is the most unbecoming behavior imaginable. At least NAFO retards weren't being contrarian in addition to retarded. At least their basic narrative ("a country being invaded should defend itself") is plausible unlike the absolute nazi-biolab-kievan rus firehose slopfest coming out of Moscow.
All the cringe of Ukraine, and my god was there a lot, we did it reddit, we uploaded the ghost of Kyiv - it's all forgotten and forgiven. I rarely suffer redditors because I do not use reddit, but I have suffered years of Russia simps on leftypol because I use leftypol.org and I'll be damned if I don't get to watch them squirm to justify this flopfest of a war at the end of it.
It'll be a draw and they'll brazenly keep firehosing shit. This show is old and everyone is correctly, following the actually interesting Iran war instead. Nothing ever happens. Slava Ukraini
>>2936876The neolibs have made tired of hearing this phrase.
>>2936894Russian federation uses soviet legacy solely for their imperialism. They want the lost territories back, but don't want anything remotely communist, socialist or soviet back.
Still creasing over
>EU states ban the hammer and sickle, surely that's gotta count for something!!
being said like it’s not a big deal because
>That is just few butthurt belt countries (Poland and Baltics) who banned specifically Soviet Union symbols.
and we’re just letting that NAFO apologia slide because anon flipped his lid made up me saying
>BASED. GOOD. WHO CARES ABOUT COMMUNISM ANYWAYS? PUTIN IS MORE IMPORTANT.
over an arrest I described as political repression.
Please take some time to reflect how these scarce few posts were all that needed to prove “The Champ” posting is just projecting strawman arguments to justify whole-heartedly wanting NATO to prevail with its expansion and destruction of its resource-rich targets
>>2936885
>a draw is when one side loses multiple territories and surrenders after losing tens of millions of peoplenice analysis
>>2936904And yet still no evidence of Russia being even remotely left wing
>>2936905A world in which Russia takes all territory it currently holds would be a phyric victory at best, and more accurately a failure of most stated Russian war aims. Was Kharkiv really worth all this trouble?
>>2936912Climate change says no
>>2936912Not a draw then is it?
They've gained access to hundreds of billions of materials, probably was worth it to the Russian state - also feeds into the internal security narratives they have with defending native Russian speakers from the Anti-Terrorist zone Ukraine was using in the late 10's to slaughter children.
>>2936919>They've gained access to hundreds of billions of materialsThat they will lose due to climate change
>>2936911Very cowardly answer.
I’m simply anti-NATO, in terms of left-wing countries I am pro-DPRK.
Outrageous irony btw with anti-campists taking an “you’re either against Russia or you’re for Russia” when NATO/US/West is the common denominator in most global conflicts today. Like, no I’m in the Anti-NATO camp, I wish for them to fail in all their endeavours without needing to have an opinion of their targets.
>>2936921/pol/ seems to be more like your place if you are not a leftist. They also like DPRK for being based and redpilled.
>>2936920all those rare earth minerals are going to evaporate are they?
>>2936924No leftypol is my place because it’s “leftist politically incorrect”, that my uncritical support for the DPRK would cause generic left-lib westoids to faint over the number of JUCHE BAD takes that immediately come to mind for them, means I’m where I belong and you need to return to Reddit.
>>2936924The DPRK are leftists, they support Russia.
>>2936926I am pretty sure you support DPRK, not for the marxism or for planned economy or anything remotely left, but because they have "denounced talmud".
>>2936928You’re pretty sure, are you? Oh well I guess that’s me done for then, anon is pretty sure of something.
>>2936934Garbage accelerationism cultist argument. This has never happened before and more so you just shit on workers you hypocritically pretend to protect. If only Russia had same worker rights as many European Union countries have instead of the Darwinistic neofeudalism… But surely things will improve after they go very bad. the Russian porkies with private paramilitaries will save us all.
>>2936919Russia has spent hundreds of billions on the war (~740 to be exact), so if getting valuable resources cheaper than market value was the idea it's a total dud. As for domestic security narratives: there are cheaper ways to make shit up and then give yourself credit for fixing it. (The post 2014 situation was fine! Just LARP with Donetsk ad absurdum!)
>>2936937>Garbage accelerationism cultist argument<If only Russia had same worker rights as many European Union countries have instead of the Darwinistic neofeudalism…Jfc even Alanis Morissette couldn’t conceive of such irony
>>2936940>it is left wing when you hate workers and peoplesure… this is why the Russian shills are the worst here.
My least popular view is that I have become sanguine about NATO and US power on the whole. There is always an empire that preserves world trade and the alarming tendency is that the US clearly does not want to maintain that role. US actions have generally fucked things up as an agent of global trade and development. (e.g. the Iran situation was fine until recent events. Iran is hostile to the US, but a marginal and distant theatre level threat. By starting a war the US has turned this into a global trade catastrophe and will possibly embolden other states to threaten trade.)
It is not necessary to think the US is good to see the value of a stable global environment for economic development.
China stands to win the most if the US retains this role for the medium term while China builds up the kind of navy that could replace the US in this global trade protection sort of role. US power declining too quickly will just lead to petty chaos rather than socialist prosperity.
Unfortunately, accelerating US decline is official US policy.
>>2936941>*Shit nobody but you said*But I do hate liberals, but I don't consider them people.
>>2936943China is at least somewhat leftist
>>2936943>China stands to win the most if the US retains this role for the medium term while China builds up the kind of navy that could replace the US in this global trade protection sort of role.There is no China replacing US in any scenario. If being the US in US led system was beneficial we really would be living in a eternal resent with US on the top forever. Since nobody can be like the USA better and better fit to lead the current system than the USA itself. When US falls there won't be a US shaped hole to fill. The new system is and will grow around China
Also I'm somewhat doubtful of even the need of a global policeman in the future for "trade protection". That is mostly just a US excuse to have troops and bases everywhere to project military power everywhere.
>>2936949>It is left wing when you are against social security, worker rights, rent control, public ownership and autonomyYeah, russian federation fans are simply mentally ill…
>>2936949Russia is the one that very publicly started bombing Ukraine without even that ostensible goal.
>>2936955>very publiclyAfter Ukraine’s very unpublicised shelling of civilians for wrongspeak
>>2936957Goalposts moving at hypersonic speeds as you start justifying a war of choice. If Russia can invade Ukraine for her crimes why then can western Europe not invade Russia for hers?
Think your arguments through instead of spouting whatever desperate gotcha comes to mind.
>>2936966>If Russia can invade Ukraine for her crimes why then can western Europe not invade Russia for hers?Nukes
Jannies are zelenskyists
I don't support either side of this retarded interimperialist war; however I would like to point out something that everyone for whatever reason has chosen to forget:
NATO could have ended this war in a week back in February of 2022.
The Russians could not secure Kiev and were nowhere close (and are STILL nowhere close) to being able to put pressure on or stop the supply and logistics chain from neighboring Poland. All NATO had to do to immediately stop the invasion was to smuggle one or two small scale nuclear bombs into Ukraine, and then to launch them within Ukraine's borders against Donetsk or the highest concentration of Russian forces, in order to inflict massive casualties on the Russians and to virtually decapitate their military machine in its tracks.
NATO did not do this. Instead, NATO opted for a long-grinding war of attrition in which both Russia AND Ukraine will end up losing massive amounts of men and material for an inconclusive result. It's looking like a freeze at the current lines in order to buy time to re-arm and to try again in another 5/10 years is the likeliest scenario for """peace""" at this moment. Even if you are the most pro-NATO Ukrainian nationalist, you have to admit to yourself that NATO never intended for Ukraine to win, because they have always possessed the ability to end this war from Day 1 and simply refused to implement it.
Now, was Russia still retarded for taking the bait and going to war when the Americans were expecting it and wanting it to happen? Yes. Were the Ukrainians retarded for thinking they could fight Russia on their own and win easily? Yes. None of this excuses the retarded behavior on both sides that enabled the West to exploit the situation. But there has also been no good outcome achieved from this conflict either.
>>2936966>If you make me look like a clueless retard, I’ll claim you’re desperate I can live with that. The goalposts that have been moved here is going from
>Russia is the one that very publicly started bombingto
>If Russia can invade Ukraine for her crimesthe instant you were reminded history didn’t start in 2022
>>2936976Since there are no more military aged men in Donetsk, ironically, Russia ended what Ukraine has started.
>>2936966>Goalposts moving at hypersonic speedsThat's just how Le Champagne argues; pity him for being paid to defend Cucktin against all rhyme and reason.
>>2936977Are you intentionally trying to be ironic with the constantly moving narrative?
>Russia attacked first!>Well why should Ukraine be invaded for “her” crimes?>Ukraine succeeded in its mass murder anyway so nurrr.. >>2936978>Le champignon is paid shill who won’t just accept my arguments at face value, it’s unfair goalposts moving, this is liberal order I should be able to frame the narrative and everyone has to argue within it!Are you always this fucking precious about losing?
>>2936981i am a different poster. every war is war on population yada yada
>>2936971more of a pragmatic answer than a principled one. the underlying logic here would trend towards some "ukraine should've remained a nuclear armed state to deter aggression" craziness.
>>2936975you underprice the incentives against using nuclear weapons + even the more deranged side of ukranian nationalism probably doesn't want ukraine to go full Belka and nuke itself to keep the invaders out.
not that I think NATO has Ukraine's best interests at heart. hell, even pro-NATO pro-Ukraine types generally think the US president is a Russian asset trying to fuck Ukraine over.
>>2936976starting history in 2022 is charitable to the Russian side. if we start it in 2014 they look dumber for basically getting what they wanted and getting away with it and then escalating to full scale war in 2022 and paying hundreds of billions of dollars and countless lives for at-best a little more, if we start in 1991 they look worse still for collaborating with nationalists of all stripes to break up the USSR and then getting buyer's remorse for a process they were the most relevant part of. (one can imagine a continuing "USSR" consisting only of the Russian federation, Serbia-Yugoslavia tier, but one cannot imagine a USSR absent Russia.)
>>2936984>LosingThe only people who are losing are the Ukrainians and Russians dying for this retarded interimperialist war. I know that caring about the workers is a very difficult concept to grasp for anti-communist Russian nationalists with teeny tiny brains, but it's something you'll need to learn if you intend to continue focusing on this conflict.
>>2936952Didn't you know? German Empire was more left-wing than USSR, because everyone knows that German Empire had had universal healthcare since 1860s
>>2936987>but one cannot imagine a USSR absent RussiaTrust the Dengist plan. China+Vietnam+North Korea+Mongolia+Laos USSR 2.0 voluntary federation by 2100.
>>2936986Uh huh, if you’re going to stand in for someone else you should be consistent with their point
>>2936987A chunk of text there to avoid accepting the goalposts were moved from “Russia attacked first” to “well two wrongs don’t make a right in invading Ukraine”
>>2936988>Liberal moralism that somehow both-sides NATO’s decades of near-unilateral expansion towards a nuclear powerVery weak showing today, it feels like it’s anons who are just defensive rather than having an actual point to make.
>>2936993the fact they could just be sinoboos like normal people is one of the reasons i hold russia simps in contempt tbh
>>2936996please tell the class the date of the first ukranian attack on russia
>>2936992Soviet Union had universal healthcare too.
>>2937000Nuh-uh, not real universal healthcare, it was residency limited! Plus, you know that Russian healthcare was shit compared to German quality!
/s >>2936988>The only people who are losing are the Ukrainians and Russians dying for this retarded interimperialist war. I know that caring about the workers is a very difficult concept to grasp for anti-communist Russian nationalists with teeny tiny brains, but it's something you'll need to learn if you intend to continue focusing on this conflict.Recognizing, as you do, that this war originated in the competition of two capitalist powers, one global hegemon and one aspiring regional one…
Do you believe the "unnecessary" war would have been avoided if say, a falling star had granted a wish and the RF had been elevated to communist state somewhere along the way?
Or would that have rather evoked even greater antagonism from NATO and just the same if not greater prospects of war?
>>2936826Russia isn't a neoliberal state, for one.
>>2937019It is a neoliberal state from the future. The state Bezos and Musk dreams about.
>>2937012>Do you believe the "unnecessary" war would have been avoided if say…The war would have been totally avoided if Russia just chilled the fuck out and avoided going into Ukraine. When the Americans took over Afghanistan and set up their military bases right on the border with China, China didn't use that as an excuse to invade Afghanistan to kick them out for "national security". China is literally surrounded by pro-West enemies (Pakistan, Japan, S. Korea, India, etc.) and still refrain from chimping out at everyone. It was well within Russia's capability to do the same but they just couldn't help themselves. Russia was never under any threat from NATO. NATO can only bully countries without nuclear weapons. Both China and North Korea demonstrate that with nukes you can stop giving a shit about the West and just focus on internal economic development.
In fact, North Korea VERY RECENTLY was literally attacked by the South under their former crazy right wing lunatic president who tried to launch a coup (Yoon).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_Korean_martial_law_crisishttps://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/ex-south-korea-president-yoon-tried-provoke-pyongyang-into-armed-aggression-2025-12-15/Yoon launched an unprovoked drone attack on North Korea in order to try to bait them into a war. North Korea simply ignored it and did not attack the South in response. Literally even the North Koreans are smarter than the retards currently running Russia.
>>2936881those are called euroid communists and nobody takes them seriously
>>2937028I understand the DPRK has other things to consider and cannot bless the global majority so.
But I'll gladly visit the Gulf of Seoul and the Atoll Formerly Known as Japan if it comes to that.
>>2937047Nobody who? You? Aliens? Breadtube?
>>2937054you dont live in yurop and it shows
>>2937055Bologna is ruled by communists. They are not fringe.
>>2937022>It is a neoliberal state from the future. The state Bezos and Musk dreams aboutNot to defent yeltsin russia but currently ukropistan fits that description more. In terms of privatizations they are far ahead.
>>2937058You might missed this but anon compared Russia to EU, not Ukraine.
>>2937057>some bum nobody cares about makes euroid communists not fringeI love how you try to present yurop more friendly to communism than Russia and it is simply not working mate. I could present you with polls showing russians looking at the Soviet Union much more favourably the last years, dont think we are gonna find polls showing that in yurop. Or do you think a communist governing some oblast (which do exist) disproves your claim? The far right is also gonna sweep the next election in my country, and thats not the only country they are gonna take. The fact that you try to argue against someone who actually lives in such a place is very telling.
>>2937060>You might missed this but anon compared Russia to EU, not Ukraineirrelevant since all three fit that description you dunce
>>2937058>privatizationsI'll admit I'm economically illiterate. But it still strikes me as bizarre that the first thing Ukraine does when facing war is a firesale of state assets. And promising to delegate all the government bureaucracy to foreign techbros. IIRC Russia also has quite a liberal approach to war economy but I suppose they enjoy far greater autonomy than Ukraine does from their allies.
>"The state is in peril! Quick! Sell everything before it depreciates more!"Is quite the statement for a government to make
>>2936881>That is just few butthurt belt countries germany literally has a constitutional ban on any anti-democratic political party specifically targeting communists stfu
>>2937068its both tragic and farcical that ukraine and israel are in the same geopolitical and cultural situation as germany last century
>>2937028>This whole war could have been avoided if Nato simply dissolved itself after the Warsaw Pact didA clash between Russia and Nato (and China) would have been unavoidable and maybe you havent followed the news but the countries you cite both clearly state that their patience regarding Nato (an in case of China Taiwan) is not endless.
>>2937061Difference between Bologna and Russian oblasts controlled by "communists" is that in Bologna government actually enact socialist laws and policies.
Russian Federation communism is just some porkie who owns a sausage factory operated by slaves from central asia and sells "soviet" branded doctor sausages.
Can you just wrap this up? The pacing on this show is awful, pure padding, the editor is breathing down my neck
>>2937075>"is that in Bologna government actually enact socialist laws and policiesholy shit AES within a city, you learn something new everyday, Italy can now be considered on the forefront of communism
>Russian Federation communism is just some porkie who owns a sausage factory operated by slaves from central asia and sells "soviet" branded doctor sausages.>russian federation communism>"yurop communism" good because white, "russian communism" bad and evil because asiaThe issue with nafoids and them trying to act "like on of us" is that their racism makes them stick out like a sore thumb
>>2937085Some reading comprehension issues? Ethnic russian porkies are exploiting central asians.
>>2936977They are mostly living in Russia now. Not an ethno-political cleansing carried out by the same the same ethnic group, just because they don't like nazis.
>>2937079So you are from Brazil?
>>2937068All the nationalism as an aesthetics zero patriotism in action.
>>2937096
Reparations for Circassians NOW
>>2937092One day I am Brazilian, one day I am Colombian, one day I am Mexican, one day I am Ecuadorian, one day I am Venezuelan, one day I am Argentinian. I am all, and I'm one.
>>2937099I think i have seen you somewhere else posting the same headlines
>>2937096
what are you even about? So if you are not allowed to exploit the central asian laborers then you are being genocided?
>>2937105
I was being sarcastic
>Europeans fear that Trump might strike a deal with Russia behind their backs. Consequently, they are discussing who could conduct direct negotiations with Moscow on behalf of Europe, reports Politico.
>"Putin does not view the European Union as an authority. He has no desire to speak with Ursula von der Leyen, and he does not speak with Kaja Kallas. He has also ceased communication with other European leaders, including Emmanuel Macron," stated Czech President Petr Pavel.
>Potential candidates being discussed include Finnish President Alexander Stubb and the President of the European Council, António Costa.>>2937102Ah, newfren. Welcome. ITT I post many UKR_Leaks selected articles and news, from Vasilij Prozorov, ex-SBU, who was nearly killed by ukropigs in Moscow 2 years ago.
People try to figure out what or where am I, specially nafo who hates me.
>>2937064>Russia also has quite a liberal approach to war economy but I suppose they enjoy far greater autonomy than Ukraine does from their allies.The issue with how Ukrops handle the economy is that by treating their economy like a csgo skin market or the steam market is that it heavily incentivizes cheating. Ergo, its a big reason why their kill claims are so high, drone operators are rewarded based on points, which means you can trick the system by using various methods. One method, which if its currently used wont be disclosed to the public well after the war is over, is taking Russian pows or even their own deserters, put them in "russian army" looking clothes and then film drone drops. Big moral gain, big gain of points, very low cost. Would also explain the rather low pow numbers.
>>2937109
it is you who post unrelated random statements to derail
>>2937089>Some reading comprehension issues? Ethnic russian porkies are exploiting central asianswhat has to do with the strength of the communist movement in russia or yurop for that matter? You think yurop doesnt have porkies exploiting brown people?
>>2937115Can’t even justify yourself?
>>2937119can you explain how this
>Why do you believe Russia and her people deserve genocide? What terrible crimes have they committed to warrant extermination?is related to this
>Some reading comprehension issues? Ethnic russian porkies are exploiting central asians.Maybe you are in need some re-calibration and are hallucinating shit
>>2936952>>2936955>>2936966>>2936978>>2936987samefagging lib who came from reddit, im pretty sure thats the same guy from the last few months
>>2937120More on this:
>The conflict in Ukraine will be one of the topics at a trilateral meeting between the presidents of Russia, the United States, and China in November, Trump stated. >>2936955The SMO have very clear goals. That you don't know them or read them, it's your skill issue.
>>2936987>interests at heart. hell, even pro-NATO pro-Ukraine types generally think the US president is a Russian asset trying to fuck Ukraine over. everything is ruzzia somehow… is that supposed to make Ukrops look more sympathetic since it looks like their nationalism makes them even more unreliable as a narrator
>>2936987>more of a pragmatic answer than a principled onefucking libs with their obsession with morality, why do they come here expecting people to be liberals rather than marxists?
>getting what they wanted and getting away with it a country built on its anti russian identity, controlled and armed by nato, causing problems at its border and soon crushing the rest of the pro russian allowing full nato integration was what they wanted?
I'm baffled so long into the war we still have redditors morons here coming here and going "why you like putin". They apparently have no idea whats critical support. They cant comprehend the opposition and destruction of nato being the number 1 priority of any anti imperialist, they dont even know what imperialism is for a marxist. How do they even end up here, and why come here to repeat their shitty msm talking points.
>The SAP and NABU have concluded their investigation into the embezzlement of millions of hryvnias during the procurement of drones.
>According to the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office (SAP), in 2023—following amendments to the State Budget of Ukraine—the State Service of Special Communications and Information Protection (SSSCIP) was allocated 30 billion UAH for the purchase of drones.
>"The pre-trial investigation revealed that the head of one of the SSSCIP departments devised a plan to misappropriate a portion of these funds. Under this criminal scheme, drones were to be supplied by pre-selected companies at inflated prices," the statement reads.
>The SAPO notes that to ensure these specific companies won the tenders, the accomplices involved other firms under their control to create the appearance of genuine competition.
>"It was established that between May and September 2023, the SSSCIP purchased 400 DJI Mavic 3 drones and 1,300 Autel Evo Max 4T drones at prices 70–90% higher than market rates," the SAPO reports.
>Further investigation revealed that in September 2023, SSSCIP officials entered into additional contracts with these same companies for the supply of 500 DJI Mavic 3T, 2,000 DJI Mavic 3 Pro, and 900 DJI Matrice M30T drones. In these instances, the prices were 60–90% above market value.
>The total loss in this case amounts to 254 million UAH.
Nobody has been convicted, by the way. No custodies either.
And given the trend,
Released on probation (2023) 45%
Released on probation (2025) 63%
Real prison terms (2023) 39%
Real prison terms (2025) 25%
I can assume nothing will happen to them.
>>2937028>China is literally surrounded by pro-West enemies (Pakistan, Japan, S. Korea, India, etc.) pakistan and india arent really "pro west", and pakistan is also a geopolitical ally of china.
>>2936868The big question is: Why aren't you arrested in Europe or the United States? 🧐🧐🧐
>>2937056A question cannot be goalpost moving, now unlike your love life: make with a date fat boy.
>>2937162They’re all Trot parties and therefore spend most of their time telling agreeing USSR BAD!
>>2937175Yeah it can, because the question is founded on
>After Ukraine’s very unpublicised shelling of civilians for wrongspeak >>2937177I mean, every time they bring in these things, repeatedly, the situation cuts both ways. If
ruzzia bad, why aren't you arrested for doing what these communist do? it is implied:
1) They are saying that their imperialist shitholes are good.
2) They are not doing the praxis that gets people arrested, instead they use that time and energy to sperg their narrative.
and
3) the Communist Party of Russia is cleared of the accusations of being a 'fake opposition party'.
but hey, the free lecture is amusing.
Like the point was Ukraine was shelling Russian speaking civilians, it’s moving the goalposts to then essentially ask
>Erm can we please stick to when Ukraine attacked Russia directly!?
>>2937186Absolutely, they’re for some reason very confident that their respective governments would
never arrest people simply for being a member of a Communist Party, despite evidence in the UK at least that current circumstances depends entirely on parties being tiny and fractured.
Palestine Action was big enough to get banned as a terrorist organisation, their protests involved arrests, writers who have supported Palestine have had their books banned, etc. If any Communist Party grew to have the voter share the KPRF has in Russia, it’s pretty obvious the political repression would be 1920s-tier
>>2937198KPRF probably has ties with western imperialists
>>2937180did history begin with said shelling of civilians?
>>2937188- that point was in reply to a point itself (that Russia started the war by bombing Ukraine)
- even if it was true that Ukraine was shelling civilians, that would not justify Russia invading Ukraine unless they were Russian civilians inside Russia. thus: give us the fucking date, fat boy.
>>2937210I know you’re angry because you weren’t allowed to move the goalposts, but there’s no need for unverifiable personal insults.
>>2937147>here's my fanfic of what i think one of the anons on here is like. meds. NOW.
>>2937229nobody ITT is impressed. you couldn't even come up with the idea of accusing your opponent of moving the goalposts independently. you're just copying the guy who accused you!
>>2937246When you’re as pleased with yourself as I am, you need not impress anyone.
>>2937149Thats it! This mean Ukraine is collapsing for sure this time!
>>2937141Will Daddy Trump save Russia?
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