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>>2931297Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
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>>2937629Something is always happening, both horrible and good things, most of it just isn't entertaining.
>>2937614Amazing. From what I’ve heard of as long-held stereotypes about Ukrainians, he’s really living up to all of them.
>>2937614>spat at the King's feetbroken clock
Sweden is now in NATO, spitting at one’s is a spit on all
>>2937706
>America lose for once
They lost in Vietnam and in the 2nd Gulf War
>>2937706
P*do
>>2937706
Did Moffin actually create this for themselves?
>decide to check Simplicius
>article comment section is filled schizo antisemitism
I don't recall it being this bad a year or two ago
>>2937706
Who the fuck is Moffin?
>>2937706
Report this guy it makes us look like epsteinbluds
When will russia colapse
>>2937883How many days is that
>>2937888I don't know dude they haven't invented quantum computers to solve this sort of shit yet
>>2937893336/24 = 300 / 24 + 36 / 24 = 150 / 12 + 6 / 4 = 120 / 12 + 30 /12 + 6 /4 = 10 + 24 / 12 + 6 / 12 + 4 / 4 + 2 / 4 = 10 + 2 + 0.5 + 1 + 0.5 = 14
That's 14 days.
>>2937614I mean. They're both functionally basically the same oppressing their people and enriching themselves
>>2937790Nah it doesn’t inspire hope for me, simply because the nature of what Russia does isn’t important. I see the far more favourable and equitable relations between China and African countries being denounced as neocolonial and a debt trap conspiracy, by actual colonising states of Africa and actual debt merchants and realise its all just supporting your team. Nothing more, nothing less.
Is there any hope for the left in the former Warsaw Pact/Soviet Union any time this century? It seems they are all, to varying degrees, rightist, with no substantial left opposition, only liberals vs reactionaries.
>>2938259Yeah, Russia is rising
>>2938293>Russia>leftAre you delusional or what?
>>2938259The US is the linchpin holding all that together. After it goes, the reactionary upper layers will turn on the workers with a vengeance and the genteel patina that yankee money has been smoothing class conflict with will be stripped away. Communism will re-emerge out of pure necessity.
>>2938330I mean, Russia isn't in the American orbit as it is and there's no sign of a communist resurgence there. What makes you think that will change?
>>2938259The main issue is that everyone hates Russians there. Maybe a new block could be formed with the Chinese leadership.
>>2937717This is a good comparison, but one that works in Ukraine's favor. Russia and the UK are two countries chasing historical glory instead of accepting they'll always be bit players from now on so should focus on domestic development and give up international "great power" ambitions.
(Ironically pursuing this path would also maximise their global influence, but it would require playing to their actual strengths rather than to historical LARP.)
>>2938330Wishful thinking. Generally speaking things getting worse just makes things worse, while things getting better (ideally with expectations outpacing conditions on the ground) is actually the best thing communists can hope for. (e.g. Tocqueville paradox)
Moreover absent sufficient economic development, any resurgent "communism" will invariably just be a coat of red paint over, at best, developmentalism and at worst, dismal failure followed by a second collapse.
>>2938349Left wing nationalism is a thing and has been used many times, there's no reason in theory a post-Soviet country couldn't be socialist while still pandering to that nationalism - 'we'll protect you from the fascists in the Kremlin' etc. The problem is that the Russians used to be communist and this hangs like a shadow over these societies. Despite Russia no longer being communist, the association of Russia with communism means no self-respecting post-Soviet nationalist will be a communist, and these countries are highly nationalistic (it's kind of the whole reason the bloc fell apart in the first place).
>>2938366Don't underplay the role of Russian nationalism in breaking up the USSR as well. They fell for the classic declining great-power trick of "imagining all your satellites are actually ripping you off and telling them to get bent", just as the US is now doing with Canada and Europe.
I'm only making this post to plug Collapse: The Fall of The Soviet Union. >>2938331>I mean, Russia isn't in the American orbit as it is and there's no sign of a communist resurgence there. What makes you think that will change?Russia is a different set of circumstances than the other former Warsaw pact countries. Its economy is doing well at the moment and it's positioned to continue growing as it supplies Asia with the raw materials their economies require.
As for why there hasn't been a communist resurgence in Russia, I think it's because of how popular communism (or at least the ussr) was or still is. I think in the decade or so immediately following the fall of the SU, there was a real danger of a communist resurgence, which the US also helped quash. Even while attempting rapprochement with the west, nato never brought it fully into its sphere the way it did with the rest of eastern Europe, and there was never the "decommunization" that we see in Ukraine, the Baltics, etc.
This isn't to say that Russia is "spiritually communist" but that its ruling class accommodates the vestiges of communism within it, acknowledging its legacy begrudgingly or opportunistically as the case may be. Its circumstances allow and require that as a means for its ruling class's survival. They've seen repeatedly how lower class discontentment is weaponized against governments that nato doesn't like, and so there has to be some level of accommodation, and I think we see the evidence for that in things like the sign on bonuses for the military, high private sector pay, and plurinationalism that has been brought up here before. I have to assume that it's a similar situation to Bismark giving the Germans social security: not because he's socialist, but because doing so undercuts them politically.
I think what see what's in store for the rest of eastern Europe (and Europe in general) in Ukraine. Their ruling classes aren't reliant on their captive population the same way that Russia's is, and that manifests itself in every decision they make. They get away with treating their fellow Ukrainians the way that they do because nato is there with the resources to back it. If it weren't for nato backstopping the war for example, how could Ukraine ever have hoped to keep fighting this long? The money costs alone are incredible, and if it were all financed with hrivnias I can only imagine that the inflation alone would be astronomical.
>Wishful thinking. Generally speaking things getting worse just makes things worse, while things getting better (ideally with expectations outpacing conditions on the ground) is actually the best thing communists can hope for. (e.g. Tocqueville paradox)I'm not saying that things getting worse will make things "better" for communists, but that the conditions themselves will incentivize people to adopt communist policies if only out of necessity.
First, there's the fact that the shape the former Warsaw pact countries find themselves in is due largely to nato. The post WW2 period is fraught there, but it's pretty indisputable that the period saw growth, stability, improved access to education, increased standards of living, and the expansion of opportunities to people that were still peasants or essentially serfs within living memory. The rejection of communism is a bourgeois ideological facet and one which has been heavily subsidized by Washington and its allies.
I don't know if that's likely to change any time soon, but it will have to change because of the very things we are seeing now: nato and the US especially lack the resources to carry on as they have been. They can't even beat Ansar Allah.
And we're seeing how they're reacting to it already. Europe is trying to "re-arm" itself, and in doing so it's telling its peoples, no, sorry, we can't afford healthcare or public education or democracy, because instead we have to get ready to fight Russia. The ideology that guides nato's ruling classes precludes making the sorts of accommodations that would satisfy their populations, and we're seeing the evidence of that fact every day, but even if the ideology alone didn't preclude it, the material fact of Europe is that it can't. It doesn't have the resources necessary to make those accommodations, which is part of the foundation of this entire war—Europe needs cheap resources to fuel its industry, and now it's cut itself off from Russia and paid the price for it. Its only other source of cheap resources is Africa, and now Chinese competition (and the economic development it's spurring) is crowding them out there as well. The long term bottom line for Europe is that it either has to reach accommodations with the rest of the world, or else try and keep it under its thumb with the help of America. The former is unthinkable, and so they've chosen the latter.
So, Europe is on borrowed time, and caught in a number of traps it has no ready escape from. Profits and all which that entails must continue, and the only source for such will increasingly come from autocannibalism. Its already producing undesirable results for the bourgeoisie, and the responses from the ruling class has been draconian—curtailing civil liberties, suborning elections, manufacturung misinformation, etc.
Right now, all this is possible because the US is able to materially support its satraps in Europe, but that can't carry on forever, as we're already seeing. Even the US, as powerful and wealthy as it is, is unable to fully grapple with what's on its plate now. To make matters worse, it's also sitting on a number of massive, developing crises which it really has no answer for. Eventually, something is going to come that deals it a crippling blow and Europe is going to be left to its own devices. Imo, the most likely reaction will be the sort of brutality we're seeing in Ukraine as western oligarchs clamp down to try and maintain their positions and avoid being held to account. They won't have the resources to resort to the soft power that they enjoyed with the full force of the US behind them, and that will mean resorting to cold, naked brutality and leaving the working classes fair as they may in the depridations that follow. It isn't a matter of "wishful thinking", but the hard, material facts that as things go on, circumstances can't remain as they are, and that for the bourgeoisie things can't be allowed to change if they want to survive, while for the working class things must change for the same reasons.
>>2938187Just a bunch of fake history, like "Stalin imported Russians into Donestk and Luhansk", when in fact population growth there was mostly due to depopulation of forested northern Ukraine's areas - like Sumy and Cherhigov
>>2938187A whole lot of nonsense. No need to stress out about it.
>>2938670>free drugs?>Seems legit :DDo Ukrainians soldiers really?
>>2938670Hahahahha fuck me what a legend. I'd have acquired and sent her some bottles myself so she could do more. god damn.
>>2938430>I'm not saying that things getting worse will make things "better" for communists, but that the conditions themselves will incentivize people to adopt communist policies if only out of necessity. probably 99 times out of 100 it gives a way to a fascist government. but lets keep trying
>>2938492Well, apparently Melania accomplished to push this…
>Russia and Ukraine have agreed to a temporary cessation of hostilities in the town of Aleshky, in the Kherson region, effective October 29, 2026, to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian aid and the evacuation of civilians.
>The agreement was reached through the mediation of U.S. First Lady Melania Trump, who personally participated in negotiations with the Russian and Ukrainian leadership, according to her statement.
>Civilian representatives from Russia and Ukraine will work together to assess the needs of the residents and organize evacuations to their chosen destinations—either Russia or Ukraine. The process will be accompanied by an independent American media company. >>2938674I promise you comfortably gouging out into the forever sleep is a better way to go than running in fear from a drone or being shelled in a trench.
>>2938670>17There was a similar case earlier this month I saw via RWA
>14-year-old girl from Rivne poisoned a serviceman with methadone and strangled him on FSB orders: she broadcast the murder to her handler via video link, - policeThey’re really chudmaxxxing, I thought it was just the racial purity shit but it seems they’re also on that “teenage girls are at their peak sexual value” vibe as well.
>>2938430>I'm not saying that things getting worse will make things "better" for communists, but that the conditions themselves will incentivize people to adopt communist policies if only out of necessity.
This will only happen if communists engage in the ideological front, otherwise reactionaries will simply spread false consciousness and summon a Hitler-figure.
>The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism by weapons, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses. Karl Marx.
>>2938684Okay 300 ballistic missiles per month or 3000 or 300000 missiles per week
And 50mil shells per year.
And?
>>2938684When will Russia launch ballistic missiles at the USA? Or is it only the USA that gets to bomb Russian refineries and warehouses, never, ever the reverse, not even in retaliation?
>>2938673>it would consume that in about 10 minutes.That can still last a long while if they fire a a few second bursts. Also geran's aren't maneuvering in flight so it's probably an easy shot. It's just, what encourages Ukrainian flight crew to conserve anything. It's free ammo, dummy.
>>2939226they attack USA in Iran
>>2939226Like with a baby screaming and throwing its toys out of its pram, the solution isn’t always to copy them in retaliation.
Yes, it is very dangerous that the US is currently doing everything short of pressing the launch button to bomb a nuclear power and yes, that’s also incredibly stupid even if they’re getting away with it currently.
>>2939284Tell us more about the brilliant 9D thinking behind taking it like a little cuck and doing nothing about it. Tell us how this is in agreement with the national security policy of Russia and how it is based on their theory of deterrence.
>>2939296Interest of a single bourgeoisie can always be overriden by the needs of the whole class. Not that they will do shit. they are not going to set the precedent
>>2939296>le trillionaire is le goodonly on /leftypol/
>>2939296>>2939302this is all kayfabe. starlink is working as normal. drones and missiles are still flying into russia. zelensky is probably overseeing some offensive right now and in another 6 months he'll reveal that he took back another 200sqkm o algo.
>>2939303you are the biggest warhawk on this entire board
>>2939306Don't you dare take that title from me
>>2939292I’m just grateful the world hasn’t ended yet. I don’t really care to make the case for why the US bombing a nuclear power is stupid beyond that.
>>2939302Looks like Texas wasn’t far enough for Musky boy, still surrounded by these MARXISTS who question the viability of having vital services ran according to the whims of an individual.
>>2939305Although this is entirely true and I’m sure that the accusations are an attempt to either influence the US elections in November, or get Trump to get back in his cage after trying to set up a peace deal, or both.
>>2939306I don't remember ever specifically promoting the war. in fact, it saddened me that zelya decided to obey boris johnson push after the latter pushed zelya's dooddies from the outside in. squashing nazis? oh yeah, I'm all for it.
>>2939316>squashing nazis? oh yeah, I'm all for it.Then you should get run over by a steamroller. Defeating nazis one step at a time.
>>2939226Nah, we are not going to see that. Not Russia, not China.
Maybe the cartels inside the US finally run a massive large attack on a city, but that's that.
>>2939327The Mexican cartels are controlled by the CIA, moron. When Reagan had his wife go on television to tell kids to "Say No To Drugs" he was using the proceeds from selling crack in order to fund right wing death squads in Latin America. The gangs and the drug trade have always been bound up with the Western intelligence agencies and the dog will never bite its own master.
Apparently Musk’s latest counter-accusation is that the Ukrainians hacked Starlink to circumvent standard speed limits, the slow down is SpaceX patching the hack. Rather than dispute it, ukro Xitter is claiming that Starlink being hacked by Ukraine proves it’s vulnerable and it therefore sucks lmao
Utterly incorrigible, I kind of admire it in them. They’d absolutely hack Starlink to allow coverage over Russia against the rules placed on a service they receive for free and has been the backbone of their communications for years, then scream bloody murder if that resulted in said free service rescinded to avoid losing the satellites.
>>2939322And I don't remember ever specifically promoting
lebensraum,
untermensch v. ubermensch,
judeo-bolshevism,
aryan superiority ideologies, or promoting the
arbeitsbuchkarte and
arbeitsbuch as a form of economic coercion against workers (and corporate fascism) for any state.
Maybe me living rent-free inside your head distorted some of what I said or posted.
>>2939329Did I say otherwise? Also, both things can be true: The CIA controls the cartels, the cartels can declare war in a city.
I can't wait to see the first mayor or governor openly calling himself socialist. OOF.
>>2939333Yes, and the whole point of this
>>2939296>>2939302It's that the boer man decided to 'enforce the tos'. Apparently, they have the starlink, js, not at the same speed.
>>2939345Yeah although it seems like Trump and Musk are chucking a hot potato between each other
>I don’t know about any slow down that would be Musk’s doing>Ukraine has the civilian Starlink package, higher speeds are possible only with the Starshield Ultra+ Gold package whose access is up to the US governmentI’ve said it before, Zelensky is now clearly the most important man in the world to have the US president and the richest man in the world sniping at each other over whose at fault for not giving maximum givas.
>>2938673You usually fire them in short bursts tbf, even in Ace Combat where planes have ludicrous weapon loads of 100+ missiles you'll run out in a minute if you hold the trigger down instead of tapping it.
well, apparently there was a 'peace deal' that was secret in 2023, and it was rejected by zelya and yermak.
>"Putin agreed with their proposal on the front line, Warnig said. He said that he could not allow Ukraine to join Nato, but was open to EU membership and a different security arrangement like the one discussed at the Istanbul talks. “If we can agree on the border and on Nato, then we can discuss everything else,” Putin told Warnig. But Ukraine’s success on the battlefield had changed the equation. Rodnyansky could barely get Zelenskyy and his powerful head of the president’s office Andriy Yermak to look at the documents on his phone. They told him they would make no concession to Putin on Ukraine’s borders and felt they could secure much of the rest of the group’s plan without giving up territory. Rodnyansky, who felt the US needed to pressure Ukraine to accept a deal, said they were acting as if Russia’s army would suddenly disintegrate like Sauron’s at the end of The Lord of the Rings. The Ukrainians, laughing, agreed. The Ukrainian presidential office and Yermak did not respond to a request for comment.
>Conn and Foresman had hopes of agreeing an end to the war by its first anniversary on February 24. Instead, the prospects for peace crumbled before their eyes. On February 18, the two Americans met Warnig in the Zurich hotel restaurant where they had first gathered. This time the message was very different. Putin had disclosed the channel’s existence to his foreign policy adviser Ushakov and three other top officials, and discussed the group’s peace proposal with them in detail. Putin had told Ushakov to confirm the Americans’ mandate when he next spoke with Sullivan. According to Putin, Sullivan told Ushakov the US had not approved the channel and thought its existing lines of official communication were sufficient."
>The draft of the plan: "The group began to shape their peace proposal. Russia would withdraw from much of the regions Putin had just annexed, setting the border at the territory it controlled in Crimea and parts of the Donbas before the war. Ukraine would recognise Russian control over Crimea and give Russia free passage over a “land bridge” to the peninsula. To ensure the ceasefire held, Ukraine would get protection from Nato states, and Russia would begin discussing a separate agreement on security guarantees with the US."
The alleged leaked plan was presented to Putin by an ex-Stasi officer, named Warnig. key difference between this leaked plan and the 2022 Istanbul talks is that the 2023 plan explicitly demanded that Russia withdraw to pre-invasion lines, a massive concession that Putin had not made in Istanbul and one that contradicts his stated maximalist goals.
But no one is using a critical thinking skill here. This defies military logic. In early 2023, Russia was preparing for a major offensive in the Donbas (the battle for Artyomosk, Bakmut, was raging) and had formally annexed four Ukrainian regions in September 2022 through the referendums. If Warnig in fact backed this agreement under whatever reasons it tells that he either isn't even close to Putin, or basically he is lolcow.
>>2939414Sure but they’ve also received something like 20 F-16s so far, dividing that by 10 minutes means 30 seconds or so each
>>2939292Children shouldn't be allowed to post here.
Based daddy Elon and daddy Trump saving Russia from catastrophe. A destroyed and unstable nuclear Russia is a risk. It has to be taken half Ukraine at a time.
>>2938293This is true but it will take a decade for it to threatened taking power over the country
>>2939682https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/ukraine-starlink-mystery-finallyWhat was really happening with the Starlink scandal in Ukraine? A breakdown of technical modifications, hacker platforms, Elon Musk's restrictions, and why, by the end of 2026, drones started falling and Zelenskyy staged a pre-election Trump scandal.
Let's start with the plans. Within the country, only the civilian Starlink has always worked: the basic plan ($100), the commercial in-motion ($400), and the priority headquarters ($2-4k). Aviation plans cost up to $1K-20K-100K+, but in the country they are unavailable.
Due to the high load, the network was getting overloaded. SpaceX had to keep prices high for the military in order to build excess ground stations around Ukraine for minimal signal latency. By the way, these sites with antenna domes have recently started getting burned down on orders from the darknet.
The main problem on the front line is electronic warfare (EW). Due to GPS suppression, civilian Starlink chips were freezing, and with false location data, the terminal would lock. The solution was a GPS hack board. Engineers soldered it inside to manually set the required coordinates.
Hack platforms allowed bypassing even Musk's geographic zones. For a long time, Starlink didn't work in the gray zone under Russia's control. But if you entered the coordinates of a neighboring Ukrainian region—the connection would come alive. Russians took advantage of this too, until Kyiv received exclusive white lists.
By 2025, Musk began tightening the screws and reducing speed limits for commercial plans. But military engineers found a loophole: technically, the satellite-terminal communication session wasn't rigidly tied to GPS. The protection was only on the terminal module itself.
If the terminal thought through the hack board that it was stationary, it would send a radio request to the satellite itself and receive the necessary data for the session. There are already about 10,000 satellites, and the signal was picked up even with a scatter of 150+ km. The drone was flying, but the Starlink server considered it stationary.
It was an open secret. Before sending new Starlink units to the front lines, they were mass-opened to solder in a GPS hack and install robust waterproof connectors. This way, the standard plan allowed drones to fly at high speeds.
In early 2026, Musk reduced the speed of the commercial plan to 160 km/h across the entire planet. This is lower than the speed of many ordinary UAVs with a tailwind. But due to the widespread use of hack platforms in Ukraine, no one noticed this. Terminals reported that they were supposedly standing still.
AT THE END OF 2026, SpaceX responded harshly. Server-side verification was introduced: if the GPS terminal is stationary but switches from satellite to satellite too quickly at the same time (which reveals a real speed over 160 km/h), the server instantly terminates the session.
Against this backdrop, Zelensky is trying to gain unrestricted access to StarShield (the US military Starlink) in order to fly over the Russian Federation. But Trump, Musk, and the Pentagon are denying him. The Ukrainians are portraying the restrictions as a political blockade, glossing over the fact that the Starlink speed limit has been in place for a year already.
Right now, there's backroom ping-pong going on: Musk says he hasn't changed anything in recent days, Rubio states that StarShield is not available to Ukraine. Bottom line: Starlink is gradually being squeezed into the framework of use in vehicles and stationary setups. Bypassing the system no longer works.
It's unclear whether they've disabled speed checks or granted access to special aviation plans. The glitch affected a narrow segment of drones. In any case, satellite communication on ultra-high-speed drones was already a compromise due to signal delays of 1000 km to orbit and back.
Russian drone specialists are in no hurry to rejoice. The ease of using Starlink was hindering the development of other technologies in Ukraine. Now Kyiv can, in an emergency priority, refine more complex, autonomous mesh-AI systems that will fly deep into the Russian Federation. End of thread.
Written based on last year's newspapers, most likely not true and total nonsense. No one and nothing is right on the internet. The author is a boring schoolboy from Georgia.
>>2937614>spits at monarchs>fails to defeat russiaTRVLY HE IS THE NEW NAPOLEON
>>2937610>300 more threads editionI guess we will hit 2 million casualties for Russia before this war ends.
>>2939988Apart from Trump and Xi, the rest are just big reaches
>>2939979Musk is playing dumb. It's like they didn't know that now?
Like look at this:
>It was an open secret. Before sending new Starlink units to the front lines, they were mass-opened to solder in a GPS hack and install robust waterproof connectors. This way, the standard plan allowed drones to fly at high speeds.These modules have all to go through stralink servers first. And they can check in-real time speeds and connectivity types.
No one is fooled by this.
>An Ukrainian court has reduced the bail amount for Yulia Tymoshenko by a factor of 125, from 33.2 million to 266,000 hryvnias.
>The NABU suspects Tymoshenko of bribing members of parliament.
oh, ok. lol. that's 5,831.16 USD. Nothing for the corrupts in ukraine, lmao.
Defence Secretary Wes Streeting: Britain must be ready for war in “a little over 1,000 days”
Labour’s Defence Secretary Wes Streeting has declared that Britain must be ready to fight a war in 1,000 days. Writing in Sunday’s Telegraph, Streeting warned that by 2030 Britain’s adversaries’ “force strength and war economy could put them in a position to attack.” Therefore, “My defining priority… is to make sure that this country is ready to fight and win a war. That is the only metric that counts.”
Streeting continued, “To prevent the worst, we have to prepare for it. In the first instance, that means expanding our capabilities so our adversaries think twice about attacking us. Should that fail, we must ensure that Britain is ready for war.”
The op-ed concluded, “That gives us a little over 1,000 days to complete our mission: to be ready with our allies to fight and win. This Government will make sure it is mission accomplished.”
The only adversary named by Streeting was Russia. He stated that the main threats to Britain were not simply the danger of “conventional warfare, or Russian tanks rolling across our borders”, but “the growing threat of state sponsored terrorism, sabotage and hostile acts designed to disrupt our lives, undermine our security and spread fear in our communities.”
Hardly a day goes by when Moscow is not accused of engaging in “hybrid warfare” against the UK via the means Streeting described.
Three days before Streeting’s intervention, the Cabinet Office published new “Be Ready” advice—kicking off a three-year campaign which urges every household to stockpile at least three days of food, nine litres of bottled water and other items needed to survive without access to supermarkets or electronic payments. The government said that being “emergency ready” was necessary to plan for “severe weather to cyber attacks, emergencies” that “can disrupt the services you rely on.”
Streeting’s intervention makes clear that the new guidance is really about war, as tensions with Russia are dialled up. The message is: if war starts, fend for yourself. Many households—after 15 years of austerity and a surge in the cost of living—cannot afford to stock up a pantry full of tinned food, water and other supplies.
Similar instructions are already standard across Europe. Governments that have waged NATO’s war against Russia in Ukraine for almost five years are pushing “whole-of-society” preparation for direct conflict with Moscow. In March 2025, the European Commission’s Preparedness Union Strategy proposed that European Union citizens should “adopt practical measures, such as maintaining essential supplies for a minimum of 72 hours in emergencies.”
The demand that the working class pay for rearmament and war is being raised in ruling circles everywhere. It is provoking mass opposition, with hundreds of thousands of young people and workers taking to the streets across Europe against cuts to social spending and escalating militarism. An Ipsos poll this month found that nearly half (48 percent) of adults say there are “no circumstances where they would be willing to take up arms and go to war for Britain.”
Streeting’s comments and the “Be Ready” campaign are calculated efforts to drive this rising opposition to militarism out of the news and encourage instead an “all-in-it-together” patriotism.
Since coming to office, and naming Russia as the UK’s main threat, Prime Minister Andy Burnham has committed £8.4 billion to Dreadnought nuclear-armed submarines, handed Ukraine the Stone Cloak electronic networks jamming technology, and pledged in Kyiv on August 24 to release classified blueprints so Ukraine can build its own long-range Storm Shadow missiles.
This is despite Moscow warning the UK in August that its increased backing for Ukraine could lead to “catastrophic consequences,” with “British military installations and equipment in Ukraine and beyond its borders” potential targets.
On September 2, at a press conference in Bishkek after the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit, Putin was asked whether British defence-industrial facilities on British territory could become Russian targets in response to UK arms supplies to Ukraine. He replied, “That’s a secret. A military secret.”
Central to the war fever are demands that military spending is ramped up in Chancellor John Healey’s first budget, on October 28, under Burnham, at the expense of welfare and wider social spending. Healey resigned as defence secretary on June 11 under Burnham’s predecessor, Keir Starmer, accusing the Treasury of being “unwilling to commit the resources that the nation needs to defend the country.”
As Burnham has not yet committed to spending 3 percent of GDP on core military expenditure by 2030, Streeting complained that war readiness was “getting lost amidst a fixation with percentages and dates.” He declared himself “100 percent confident” that the NATO target of 3.5 percent by 2035 would be met.
In a speech with the hallmarks of Downing Street co-ordination, the head of the British Army—Chief of the General Staff General Sir Roly Walker—addressed 700 soldiers at Catterick Garrison in North Yorkshire on October 15. “Our nation is going to need you,” Walker said, pointing at the troops, and warning of “extreme jeopardy in the world at the moment. And the business of soldiering is coming back into the nation’s psyche”
Walker said, “There was a time that our nation didn’t want to think of a time when it would need its soldiers to fight in a war”, but “very soon the political leaders of this country will start to have a frank conversation with the citizens of this country, about just what is going on and where the risk lies.”
Citizens “have got to consent to sacrifices to prioritise defence and security”. This meant “ultimately, we’re going to need them to back us, to back you, to do the one thing that you do that nobody else gets to do, and that is to take the fight to the enemy.”
Walker singled out the younger generation. “There is no other environment to my mind where the burden of fighting is placed squarely on the shoulders of our most inexperienced and junior soldiers, than in our land forces. And I’m looking at you because it’s on you that the defence of this nation will rest, if ultimately, you are called to fight.”
What these sacrifices will be was laid out in Walker’s speech to the annual Land Warfare Conference organised by the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) think tank on June 23. He declared then that “in an alliance, blood is the hardest and most precious currency that we can contribute,” as he revealed plans for a “second army” of recalled ex-service personnel for homeland defence.
Ramping up pressure on the incoming Burnham premiership, with Starmer having resigned the day before, Walker told RUSI, “perhaps, who knows, this is just speculation, not a policy position, but you may even need to go to a third army should we find ourselves looking at the long war.”
Conservative opposition leader Kemi Badenoch seized on Walker’s latest speech. “A powerful intervention from the head of the Army,” she posted on October 17. “Something is coming, and government needs to wake up… I have been clear where I would start: cut welfare spending and put the money into defence.”
Military figures have stepped up the campaign leading up to budget day on Wednesday. On October 21, former army officer Lieutenant Colonel Stuart Crawford told the Express that the government was “either unwilling or unable to fund defence properly,” demanding 3 percent immediately and 5 percent by the decade’s end. “If defence isn’t funded properly, and push comes to shove, we won’t need a welfare budget,” he said, “because we’ll be under someone else’s rule.”
The Sunday Times trailed that Healey would unveil “billions of pounds of new defence spending”, channelled through the National Wealth Fund and British Business Bank and financed by long-term borrowing. The paper considered this a “downpayment” on reaching the NATO targets.
Last Friday’s Times editorial insisted, “John Healey must seize the chance to tackle profligate spending” and backed Andy Haldane, former Bank of England chief economist and one-time adviser to Burnham: “He [Haldane] is right that Mr Burnham needs to ‘take the knife’ to spending.”
>>2938259Everywhere looks about as hopeless right now. Without an actual organized communist party, which can only form through YOUR, yes YOUR effort, it won't get any better. At best there will be episodes of spontaneous action that result in visible but systemically irrelevant victories. The one country in the world that everyone internationally recognizes as the least hopeless, and in fact to be emulated, including reactionaries, also happens to have the largest communist party in the world. The point of communism is that it represents the point in time when things stop "just happening" and mankind takes responsibility for its own social forces, consciously.
>>2938430>They won't have the resources to resort to the soft power that they enjoyed with the full force of the US behind them, and that will mean resorting to cold, naked brutality and leaving the working classes fair as they may in the depridations that follow.Yeah, like in Ukraine. There hadn't yet been a communist revolution in post-Soviet Ukraine. The closest we got in absence of a properly organized communist party was LDNR, even with eastern Ukraine being very publicly pro-Soviet and pro-Russian before state-sponsored skinheads established their reign of terror there.
>>2940445>Yeah, like in Ukraine. There hadn't yet been a communist revolution in post-Soviet Ukraine. The closest we got in absence of a properly organized communist party was LDNR, even with eastern Ukraine being very publicly pro-Soviet and pro-Russian before state-sponsored skinheads established their reign of terror there.I think it's pretty significant that one of the first things Zelensky did when the war started was ban any party to the left of Attila the Hun and imprison their leaders.
>>2940445>The closest we got in absence of a properly organized communist party was a bunch of glowies wanting to pogrom the jewsactually existing bordigism??
>>2940437Sounds like austerity is about to get a lot more austere.
>Poland’s Foreign Minister Sikorski believes that Russia needs Ukraine in order to be a global power:
>"''I think American negotiators are making a mistake by assuming that this war is solely about territory. This is reflected in their statements—for instance, the idea that if Ukraine were to cede the last two cities in the Donbas, Putin might consider that a way to exit the situation while saving face, and that the war would then come to an end.
There might indeed be a pause—in that sense, I agree. Incidentally, Norman Davies pointed this out 30 years ago: the Soviet Union minus Ukraine equals Russia without the status of a great power. To be a global power, Russia needs Ukraine.''"
LMAO
>"Flamingo" missiles are not a "superweapon," but rather a political statement intended to frighten the Russians, stated Irina Terekh, head of the company Fire Point.
>"They were never intended to be some kind of 'super-duper wonder-weapon. The goal was to show our enemy that we can reach them where they least expect it," Terekh declared.Reminder, zelya:
> “the most successful” missile Ukraine has, said “The tests of this missile were successful,” and promised “By December, we’ll have more of them. And by the end of December or in January–February, mass production should begin.”https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-to-mass-produce-long-range-flamingo-missile-in-winter-zelensky-says/Euronews:
https://www.euronews.com/2025/08/26/flamingo-will-ukraines-new-wonder-weapon-replace-the-taurus<“Flamingo: will Ukraine’s new wonder weapon replace the Taurus?”so, the people who enriched themselves are probably rich enough, and the PRs aren't needed anymore.
>>2940905really trolling those ruzzians doing late stage hitler in the bunker orders ironically, very nice
>>2940905Festungs but Ukrainian?
>>2941009>The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks, praised the fund’s chief, Kirill Dmitriev, as “a helpful envoy” to U.S. negotiators in discussions to end the conflict.Yeah no wonder they like that trump sucking cuck
>ukrainians are nazis
>russians are fascist
How about not choosing sides between two rightoid factions?
>>2941026Trotsky taught us that we should critically support third world right wing dictatorships against imperialism, I'll let you decide which right wing dictatorship to pick though I'm not sure myself who the US prefers these days
>>2941030>US is Ukraine's primary supplier for weapons, intel and is regularly targeting strikes into Russia for them>US considers reducing some of its vast array of sanctions targeting Russia because it's starting to cause too much inflation at home>I can't tell who the US prefershave you considered that you are retarded and can't interpret the world around you?
This thread has provided me with ENDLESS source of "leftcom" and "anarcho" tears – both tendencies of which lack a geopolitical, but also a theoretical understanding of imperialism.
Keep it up, guys!
I'm drinking your tears, circa 2012!
>>2941043>I'm drinking your tearsweird flex while porky is drinking ukrorussian blood but ok
>>2941009based comrade trump
Winning status?
>>2941052Anti-imperialists lost hard. Impending Russian genocide in Serbia and Brazil.
>>2941030there is nothing anti-imperialist in Russian agenda. They are just fighting fascioliberals in order to replace them with pure fascists (Le Pen, AfD, Trump, etc.)
>>2941048It must suck that you can't use the us to kill that many Russians, now. Well, it's all your fault for letting khamala lose, and let trump go unchecked bombing Iran and such.
It doesn't matter, the victory wasn't yours, to begin with.
>>2941080Isn't that nice? You can keep committing war crimes.
>>2941057lula acked the zionist fascist (the same ideology ukraine has)
the serbs said they're no longer going to sell weapons to ukraine
it's ukrover, go back to posting gore on discords with children
>>2941089One must wonder why the russians bothered to support the Aleksandar "IMF" Vučić against the students in Serbia then, maybe it was just Cucktin's love for pinochet
>>2941092Vucic clique is friends with the Russian oligarchs. There is no mystery.
>>2941092What Moscow valued was not loyalty but legibility. Gas pricing, the NIS refinery, Serbia’s refusal to align with EU sanctions and its abstentions on Ukraine resolutions at the UN, which made it the only Western Balkan state indirectly supporting Russia on that front.
In any case, Peskov changed the tone: hopes the new government works 'constructively,' and 'it takes two to tango.'
>>2941095>muh oligarchs>screams into the air>the radlib.neolib shitholes have not rights to talk ITT.
>>2941119Kill yourself nazi
>>2941084How would Serbia sanctioning Russia prevent them from committing war crimes?
>>2941134>Reminder that Clinton and the Democrats were always soft on RussiaI remember that Clinton was warmongering in the lead up to the 2016 elections and that Trump's election derailed their plans to go to war over Crimea.
Now post the list of literal-who communist parties that condemn Russia's invasion.
And the Donetsk fighter with the nazi patch, that was actually a trophy.
>>2941119>guy who defends a neolib shithole on the internet for 4 years complains about posters from neolib shitholes geg
>>2941166Oil refinery status?
>>2941270casualty =/= dead, the deaths probably number in hundreds of thousands. Also yes it was worth it you stupid NAFO cuck, those blown up villages were promised to Russia by King Rurik 3428 years ago and also he wanted the rate of profit to go up slightly
>>2941270given they are still advancing (slowly) and the Ukraine causalities are known to be roughly 1:1 if you arent smoking NAFO crack, they are 'winning' and will likely achieve a frozen frontline whenever the cost:benefit starts to be negative for Russia.
It being worth it is another question, obviously not.
>>2941270Once the tight control over narrative is lifted, history will remember this started with Ukraine tearing up every peace deal to resolve the situation in Eastern Ukraine before it came to open conflict. They chose war presumably because they thought they’d have no make no such concessions to Russians nor compromises to the people of Donbass, asking Russia or Donbassians if it was worth it is simply whataboutism.
Ukraine thought they’d get 1991 borders and free reign to ethnically cleanse everything within them, in reality all they’ve won is
>5 years of draining NATO banks and I claim to have killed millions of your soldiers, problem? *Troll face* Sign peace deal now plox but being told no.
>>2941284How long until NATO collapses? If anything it just consolidates NATO and prepared it for the modern future conflicts. Now if there was a small fighting chance in Sahel or places like Afghanistan, autonomous drone warfare developed during the Ukraine war surely will fuck them over.
>>2941270If you subscribe to the Western narrative that the Russian invasion is just a land grab then likely no. If you however believe the Russian leadership that they view this war as a fight for the continued existence of the Russian state in its current form then you should also believe them that they will spare not a single man.
>>2941292Nobody cares about the continued existence of the Russian fascist state though. It should collapse so that the left could retake it.
>>2941289>How long until NATO collapses?That’s already the same whataboutism, Ukraine was offered a deal that would have avoided open conflict and they turned it down in favour of invasion, it’s a NAFO delusion that telling Russia to go fuck themselves and you pick war isn’t Ukraine making a choice, but just passing the choice back to Russia.
>>2941299What are you even about? I though this conflict was to destroy western-imperialism and NATO block, but now you are backpedaling into petty Russian nationalism. Can you explain how million of dead Ukrainians and million of dead Russians will bring NATO to knees?
>>2941301I’m answering the question of
>So Russia, was it worth it? ;^) >>2941302How many people Russia wanted to protect from the genocide and how many people Russia sent to die in war?
>>2941270>look at my cope numbersno wonder zelenskkky has to constantly cope about a "new mobilization" happening in Russia any day now, ever wonder how come that they can't replace their losses yet somehow their troops keep increasing for some reason? Its a pretty big intelligence failure on both the CIA and yurop glowies unironically that they keep publishing numbers that dont match reality
>>2941294>Nobody cares about the continued existence of the Russian fascist state though. It should collapse so that the left could retake it.if the Ukrop state collapses with it than be my guest
>>2941305>if the Ukrop state collapsesIt has already collapsed. Half of the population lives in the western Europe and are not planning to go back. Essentially it was the only goal of SMO that the Russian army managed to achieve.
>>2941303Again, still whataboutism.
Also, you’re a cunt if your whataboutism takes the particular form of
>Russia you wanted to protect Russian speakers from ethnic cleansing? oh ooopsie NATO have given Ukraine everything they needed to kill them all anyway haha uwu~ Slava Ukraini <3I don’t need to explain therefore why I’m anti-NATO and wish to see them fail in their ambitions for global domination, because they’re fascists and you’re a fascist to frame resistance as futile.
>>2941299>>2941284buddy you can drop the cope, Cucktin is already planning US investments that are mostly controlled by his billionare friends in the white house, something about "sovereignty" hah
How did China fuck up with Russia this hard?
>>2941308>The US tries to isolate Russia with sanctions AND expansion of NATO>Gives up after five years and tries to normalise relations with Russia instead>No fucks given for any of the economic damage European vassals have suffered>Not any more fucks given for literal who post-Soviet state<Geez stop coping Russia lostYeah even if this rapprochement was a thing (it’s not) then I fail to see how this is a breach of Russia’s sovereignty, because it rather looks like it was restored.
>>2941310your entire point is moot once Trump is gone
>>2941307Russia is the most fascist country in that conflict ideologically. The only rationale is that NATO is the top dog and Russia is the underdog, so we support the balance of powers and attrition. But of course you, Russian fans, are doing it out of sympathy to the fascist ideology.
>>2941308"Cucktin" is a Nazi dog whistle.
>>2941312It’s not my point, it’s describing the retardation of
>>2941308But I will say that you’re also deluded if you think a Democrat president will give any more fucks for Europe and Whokraine than this hypothetical Trump when yanks of all people are getting upset with fuel prices.
Calling Russians “fascist” is literally genocidal rhetoric by the way
>>2941313No no you said
>How many people Russia wanted to protect from the genocideso I don’t need any more reason to be opposed to NATO who is supporting two concurrent genocides.
>>2941320the righteous fascist from /chug/
>>2941323I am a socialist
>>2941284History should remember this as the blackest reaction of the corpes of the soviet union eating each other
>>2941324Yes we’ve already established that you are a National Socialist
>Nooo once Trump is gone, Ukraine will get all the givas they ask for! It will be joever for Russia! The democrat president WILL take off the gloves, so enjoy Russia on easy mode while it lasts ChampSoc!
<t. “Resident Socialist”
>Russia should have just let the ethnic cleansing in Eastern Ukraine go ahead, less ethnic Russians would have been cleansed that way! Just look at NATO’s support for Israel, far less bloody!
<t. “Resident Socialist”
>>2941326Only Russian reactionaries here promote AfD, RN, MAGA, etc. and it is a cancer killing /leftypol/
>>2941331start with yourself
Quite cute that anon raised the Rusich symbol like we’re not already far beyond mere fascist symbols with Ukraine and NATO, as evidenced by “Socialist” anons unironically suggesting Russia are behind all elections not going the way shitlibs wanted them to and unironically implying that Russians both in Russia and Donbass should have accepted the Banderite ethnic cleansing if they wanted to save lives.
If only it was still the cringe of Banderism in Ukraine, but policy across Europe has become totalitarian and the justification for of it is that anything bad which happens is because of the sneaky Russian, but actually if you think things are getting bad then you’ve been deceived by the sneaky Russian, in fact you might quite possibly be a sneaky Russian agent if you suggest things could be better.
>>2941343I wonder is someone will fall for this bait
>>2941289>If anything it just consolidates NATO and prepared it for the modern future conflicts.What the fuck are you talking about
>>2941449>no uIncredible.
i don't get what nafoids are trying to do here, their own media makes it abundantly clear that the point of the military dictatorship in ukraine is to kill russians, always has been, officially celebrated in the eu parliament and many other official establishments. i guess the point is to shit up the sphere of discussion to prevent actual profound points being made.
>>2941458It shows. After 4 years not a single profound point was made here. Russian bots are just cross-posting same crap on /pol/ and /leftypol/ simultaneously. So which is your sphere exactly? /pol/ or /leftypol/?
>>2941460>Russian botsThe irony is almost painful sometimes.
>>2941449You know how this
>>2941444 is a real position for a lot of people? Same for Russia - just because Putin says Ukrainian Nazis are bad doesn't mean that Ukrainian Nazis are actually okay and actually didn't try to commit genocide of Donbass people. They fucking did, and they were prevented by Russia. Similarly, USA had good episodes to itself, marred by imperializing of other countries while doing so.
Then there is another consideration: Russia is a liberal country, while Ukraine is as close to open fascism as it gets, basically level of Baltoid Nazis - except Baltoids didn't get the chance to genocide anybody openly
>>2941461Its in the NAFOids blood to dehumanize anyone not currently operating the genocide machine
>>2941249>who defends a neolib shithole>RussiaISHYGDDT
>>2941261reminder that Rusich is a fringe element not adhered to the Russian army and a donor-driven shit.
Meanwhile all vlasovites ARE
part of the ukrainian state >>294125632 out of 38 of the major ones? 85 including smaller ones, operational 75?
You know you can ask that to google instead of being salty.
>>2941460>Russian botsyeah, back to reddit and bluesky with you.
>>2941270I was told by nafo that Putin was planning to enforce mass mobilization right after the elections. "30,000 a month" Russia needed.
Maybe the "traps" are the ones in ISW leaves behind, like the weed a shrubs that affected the counter-offinsyiv.
>>2941284>They chose war presumably because they thought they’d have no make no such concessions to Russians nor compromises to the people of Donbass, asking Russia or Donbassians if it was worth it is simply whataboutism.I'm inclined to believe that someone in europe and the cia knows some stuff about zelya. someone made a call. someone tell him to roll over or else. I'm inclined to believe it was boris johnson personally the one who delivered the message.
Look this zelya talking.
First picture is a zelya kneeling after poronazishenko said that zelya would kneel:
>According to an Ukrinform correspondent, they did so after President Poroshenko asked his opponent when he will apologize to Ukraine.>Zelensky, in turn, denied that he was talking about the alleged readiness to kneel before Russian President Vladimir Putin. He said that he was ready to kneel, but asked "not to bring Ukraine to its knees."https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-elections/2684837-zelensky-poroshenko-get-on-their-knees-during-presidential-debate.htmlThen before the Istanbul accords fall apart:
<Zelensky in March 2022 (before the US & UK sabotaged the Istanbul peace agreement): "There are those in the West who don't mind a long war because it would mean exhausting Russia, even if this means the demise of Ukraine and comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives"No one can't convince otherwise me that the cia and the mi6 said something to zelya that scared him shitless, scared the shit out of him I can't fully grasp the threat issued.
If history serves as a lesson, when bolton threatened UN Director-General of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) Jose Bustani, "You have 24 hours to leave the organization… We know where your kids live. You have two sons in New York." confirmed by independent witnesses, one can correctly assume that zelya was threatened less cordially. With probably even pictures of what the destiny of him and his family would be if he didn't roll over.
>>2941603The tl;dw is that it seems to be a heavily mixed bag for both sides, with Russia apparently having given up a lot of ground, which the Ukrainians seem to have paid a high price for. There's a lot of speculation and not a great deal of hard evidence, but it does seem like Russia is on the back foot in this sector. Factors include the army assigned to that sector being overstretched and possibly undermanned. It's possible that the Russians have intentionally ceded the ground in order to attrit the Ukrainians. It seems that Azov was supplemented by foreign mercenaries and elements taken from elsewhere, such as the Kharkiv direction, which might explain the Russian gains there recently. The (current) success of Vilvaldi might prove the development of new tactics against Russia which it hasn't found an effective response for yet, such as the EW shield the Ukrainians allegedly have been using. It's also not clear if Ukrainian control over the region is as complete as they say it is.
So at this point it kind of seems like it's a rorschach test for either side. It's obviously not great for Russia either way, but it's questionable how valuable this success is for Ukraine. The Ukrainians are claiming 8000 Russians KIA, with HL counting at least 450 Ukrainian casualties (based only on drone footage and reports). HL speculates that part of the Ukrainian success is due to a shift in Russian strategic priorities, namely that Lyman was a target previously to try and outflank and cut off the fortress belt to the south of it, but Russia is now already making gains in and around that belt regardless, and seems to be trying to flank it to the west instead with some success. He supports this by pointing out that even if Russia captured Lyman, the terrain to the south it would have to go over would require amphibious operations and likely incur a high cost.
So all in all, it's not clear exactly how catastrophic this is for either side, especially since both sides have been keeping relatively quiet over it, which seems to indicate that it hasn't reached a definitive resolution either way yet.
>>2941621End of the day its a small town, Ukraine can capture it at a high cost but can they actually hold it once the bear awakens?
Its always going to be possible to catch either side with its dick in its hands, some stalemates have soldiers in trenches unable to leave for over 2 years, constantly supplied by drones. These extreme conditions make breakthroughs against a completely exhausted force possible and it is sad to say but its usually the conscripts who have next to no will to actually fight who are defending these stagnant frontlines. Its why using an elite unit with headcams can produce powerful agitprop in support of your side, I think it is just that though - a flashy offensive to win the youtube war that will be forgotten about in a year when Russia retakes it with more regular army.
>>2941621>The Ukrainians are claiming 8000 Russians KIA, with HL counting at least 450 Ukrainian casualtiesSo, Ukrainians are advancing, therefore they collect corpses. Why are corpse exchange rates still 250 to 30, then?
>>2941761Old news:
>>2941533But you are mixing some stuff.
Russians were using Starlink satellites, too. Admitted by Russians, like Alexey Chadaev, Zagatin, Ugolmny, and other war milibloggers. There was no need to blown them off.
Maybe this needs repeating. This is an inter-imperialist war. Both empires are capitalists. Supporting a weaker empire just because its attacking a stronger one is both retarded. The working class of both sides must engage in revolutionary defeatism. Communists must call for defeatism and for "no war but class war". Communists must always take the side of the working class, because, and you might not be ready for this, we are communists so we don't support the capitalist class of any country.
There are some talks on twitter that Russians are retreating as they want to use tactical nukes on the front line. Many countries started to warn civilians to prepare for possible nuclear escalation.
>>2941761>Putin refuse to press the buttonGood
>>2941761>and initiate Kessler Syndrome.This would destroy all satellites including Russian and Chinese ones.
>>2941529That does make sense, but I can’t believe that everyone else goes along with it if it’s just Zelensky getting blackmailed.
>>2941761You’re getting overexcited, no one told you it wasn’t possible, you were told it would start an escalation spiral by which no one has satellites and that’s all Musk is confirming in that screenshot.
>I was gaslit!Jfc have some dignity spurdo.
>>2941775At the risk of sounding like I’m from 2021, nah I don’t think Russia will nuke Ukraine. Ukrainian gainz are most likely legit and not Russia withdrawing, but it’s presumably been enabled by unleashing something in reserve and it’s not clear what exactly it is or why now. Potentially it’s just soldiers Ukraine has actually trained properly (possibly in NATO countries) rather than random middle aged conscripts being unleashed in response to all this Western pressure to capitulate Zelensky keeps crying about, or a belief a ceasefire is more likely on Ukraine’s terms if they’re making gains, or Kramatorsk really is the end of the road for Ukraine and Russia was getting too close to depend on sacrificing the untermenschen to defend it.
So this happened:
>On 27 October Finnish president Stubb and Norwegian PM Støre have a call with Putin, that lasted 1.5h.>balts, ukies, and brits go apeshit.>British Financial times publishes an article that claimed Putin spent the time lecturing Stub and Støre on "Slavic history">Today first Norway and then Finland's president office asked FT to correct the article and deny that no such lecture happened.>Financial times refuses to correct the article. Refuses to elaborate why.https://www.ft.com/content/a384acd1-c90c-4b71-bf7d-6c6e00bf9822https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/Wgp4Qj/stoere-krever-rettelse-fra-financal-times-avisen-nekterhuh
>>2941788>but I can’t believe that everyone else goes along with it if it’s just Zelensky getting blackmailed.Keep in mind that NABU and SAPO are all western-funded, western-infiltrated, ukrainian army-interwined organizaitons. we are talking that not only zelya is on it, the state is controlled through these institutions.
>>2941775>There are some talks on twitter that Russians areUnlikely.
Why Russia would revert the trend.
>want to use tactical nukes on the front line.unlikely. it would cause radiation that will hurt them, too.
In any case, the troops will:
Take Donetsk oblast first. These are the two mainly important strategic places, along with Luhansk. These are the most populated regions of that area. Which is part of the main objectives, and why ukraine tries hard to slow down the advances there. Despite no one there likes the banderite government.
Once this is finished, they will move resources to
-Kherson oblast
-Zaporozhie oblast.
>>2941761>Cucktin refuses to hit the buttonBasedtin
>>2941843Very normal thing for a proud and not at all insecure culture to do.
>>2941843>>2941847Yeah, this beats the latest Metro game being set in Moscow but apparently without a Russian language option on the autism spectrum.
>>2941761Putin isn't going to end the world just on your say so.
>>2941843I've had more dignified reactions in Dota 2 post-game chats.
>>2941843>Just adopt the Latin alphabet already, lmao.Do they still larp as the real defenders of slavs and orthodox faith?
>>2941849paying russian va during a war borderlines treason, no?
>>2941759no repeating numbers for a decade (3/3/33) so putin obviously need some shaman help for good juju
he missed 2/2/22 by a couple days and look what happened
>>2941946It’s the Russian language, you can hire a Ukrainian voice actor
>>2941953- this war will never end
- putin's death doesn't change anything - the power structure stays the same so he'll just get replaced with another putin
new putin will roleplay a big anti-war guy for maybe a decade (as custom dictates) and then it's back to old business
>>2941843looks genuinly ugly
>>2941766>Russians were using Starlink satellites, too.I know that and I already called that out as retarded and took it as a sign that Russia was going to lose because they had no problem routing their frontline soldiers' emails and videocalls back home to their families via a satellite network run and controlled by the CIA/Pentagon.
>>2941778Are you a Ukrainian nationalist or Zigger with a cuckoldry fetish?
>>2941783Russia + China combined cannot match even a tenth of the US satellite network in terms of sheer numbers.
>>2941788Any general with a functioning brain would happily sacrifice 100 of their soldiers to take out 1000 enemy soldiers. Now when you move the discussion over to satellites then the sacrifice becomes even easier to make because then it's not even human lives being calculated but robots. Do you think Russia + China sacrificing their minuscule amount of satellites to inflict outsized damage on NATO's networks isn't worth it? I know you're paid to shill for Russia no matter what but your consistent contrarian stance just makes you and all other ziggers look retarded for denying common sense.
>>2941845Again are you a Ukrainian nationalist or a Zigger with a cuckoldry fetish? Because currently the only sides winning from Musk maintaining Starlink are Ukraine and America. Only Russian soldiers are being killed by this stance you call "based". I'm certainly not suffering from it and Ukraine and America certainly aren't suffering from being able to guide their drones and munitions into Russian territory.
>>2941908>DESTROYING SATELLITES IS LIKE ENDING THE WORLDZiggers try not to sound retarded challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
>>2942189>You’re a paid contrarian shill, that’s the reason why you disagree with my flawless logicOh I see you have an allergy to dignity.
>China and Russia has fewer satellites so they’ll lose less than the USIs stupid reasoning, it just means that Russia and China will get shut out of space quicker than the US will and for less cost in terms of missiles capable of leaving the atmosphere, if there’s even enough missiles to down Starlink entirely. It’s presumably within Russia and China’s interest to preserve the precious few satellites they have therefore, rather than risk
entirely losing space communications to achieve a
degradation of the US’s satellite network.
>>2942189You are a delusional nationalist. The reason Russia doesn't escalate is because
1) It's still a capitalist country and does not want the world economy to crash via retarded escalation like Kessler syndrome
2) It's biggest ally doesn't want that either because it's gotta keep selling products to develop le productive forces
3) This war isn't serious enough to escalate that much.
>>2942189stupid and boring, get better material
>>2942245>3) This war isn't serious enough to escalate that much.It is literally an existential war for the Russian nation
Ukraine Hits Russian Oil Refinery, Ending Pause and Defying Trump
>Ukraine struck an oil refinery in Russia’s Samara region early on Friday, ending a two-week pause in refinery attacks that came amid heavy pressure from the Trump administration to halt such operations. i like how everyone here assumed ukraine would just automatically listen to trump. obviously ukraine won't stop fighting because america wants it
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-hits-russian-oil-refinery-ending-a-pause-and-defying-trump-be68eeff Wetsern Rightoid bot activity still havent fully recovered from Zelensky hitting those Russian data center the last time. They make way less engagement than they used to, even official GOP/whitehouse accounts.
>>2942256
>It is literally an existential war for the Russian nationIts not, Ukraine doesnt have nukes and has no real way to invade Russia get real idiot lol.
>>2942264Did you forget that America does, and the Kiev regime was literally developing bioweapons to target Russians in the lead up to the SMO? Wait of course you didn’t, like all Banderites you’re just intellectually dishonest
>>2942193>will get shut out of space quickerThe point of Kessler Syndrome'ing space is to make it a no-go zone for EVERYONE. Once enough debris has accumulated all satellites will be rendered nonviable.
>>2942245I am not a nationalist fuck off I am a Communist. Every Communist should support the complete destruction of all NATO spy satellites in space. If you do not support such a thing then you are not a Communist and you should kill yourself for wasting my time with liberal arguments.
<wahhhh the world economy will crashFirst off dipshit the world economy is not dependent on satellite technology. The internet itself is routed through underwater cables and data centers and servers stationed on land, and would not even suffer a catastrophic outage if satellites were destroyed. At most you have satellite TV eliminated along with GPS systems. The majority of African countries don't have satellites in space do you see them screaming about the necessity of launching more pointless shit into space to boost the economy? This entire "economic sector" represents nothing other than bourgeois nations launching surveillance drones into space to spy on each other.
<wahhhhh China will complainThen China should have helped Russia win the war or just continue to sit in the corner and shut the fuck up. I don't give a fuck what China wants or doesn't want but right now Russian troops are dying due to the retarded decisions of the Russian government and I want a quick end to the fighting that will hopefully position the European left in a better state post-war then they were pre-war. Also what the fuck you criticize China for not being socialist enough and then you also want to SUPPORT keeping China's satellites in space? This is just proof you are all liars and retarded because you possess no internal logical consistency. If you hate China and think it is capitalist you should also support the destruction of Chinese satellite tech caused by a hypothetical Kessler Syndrome BUT YOU TRY TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO CITE CHINA AS A REASON NOT TO DO IT. The only possible conclusion I can reach from your nonsense is that you're being paid by the Russians to come up with retarded reasons to try to wave away why Cucktin isn't hitting NATO where it hurts.
<the war isn't serious enoughTell that to the Ziggers screaming about Russian genocide. I don't care whether the war reaches some imaginary threshold where it's "serious" vs "non-serious" I care about degrading NATO's military capabilities to make it easier for Communist revolts in the future. Every satellite the Russians refuse to shoot down today will be used against us in the future. For fuck's sake Iran's nuclear sites were also placed under surveillance by Trump using satellites. If you were a fucking Communist and not a LARPer you would easily understand this.
>>2942265>banderiteIf you think the US is going to nuke Russia over this you're drinking too much Gallowayaid
>>2942268Was Generalplan Ost “no big deal” too? After all the Nazis didn’t have nukes, so surely they were harmless
>>2942269Call me when NATO put boots on the ground
>>2942258betting us midterms
>>2942264kursk wasnt real?
>>2942267>Once enough debris has accumulated all satellites will be rendered nonviable. So why is this a viable tactic? You’re desperate for the mass and permanent destruction of something, aren’t you?
>>2942189>alled that out as retarded and took it as a sign that Russia was going to loseWars are won by using your enemies weapons.
>no problem routing their frontline soldiers' emails and videocalls back home to their familiesAs far as evidence goes, the only use they had for the network was to direct drones.
In any case, they had to spoof their identity as ukrainians in order to bypass elon's initial restrictions, so 🤷
>>2942273Kursk proved that Ukraine cant hold Russian territory, if you notice they dont have it anymore.
https://hromadske.ua/en/kryminal/273477-five-ukrainian-military-recruitment-officials-detained-over-alleged-torture-and-abductionshttps://news.liga.net/en/corruption/news/five-members-of-the-tcc-were-detained-in-bukovina-they-are-suspected-of-torture-and-bribery<Five Ukrainian military recruitment officials detained over alleged torture and abductions>In the Chernivtsi Oblast, five agents from a TCC (Territorial Recruitment Center) abducted and tortured men in order to coerce them into signing their consent for mobilization.
>In one incident that took place last February, these agents shot a man in the leg using a non-lethal weapon (a less-lethal, traumatic-effect firearm). They then forced the victim to extract the projectile from his own wound.
>Furthermore, the TCC agents accepted 5,500 euros in exchange for the release of another man.Regarding criminality. Usually, when we see surfaced actions like this, it isn't that isn't happening and it's this time time at all. Many criminal cases go unreported because the victims died, are too scared, or don't have the time and/or the resources to report it, or, for cases like this, the state agents are either
too protected from public scrutiny, they have wove a network of corrupt officials hiding and covering up each other’s crimes.
If this has happened once, and seeing the videos of ukrainians being dragged like animals to the meat grinder vans, it undoubtedly means these events (five agents from a TCC in Chernivtsi oblast etc etc) happen all the time.
No stupid report will convince me that ukrainians losses are equal or below Russian losses. And the proportion must be around ~ 10:1, 10 Ukrainians for any given Russian, given the body exchanges.
>>2942336>muh body exchange>muh 10KDAnyone who peddles or believes this is SVR, no exceptions.
>>2942279Actually I just remembered this is all concern trolling, that if Russia doesn’t nuke someone or destroy satellite technology potentially for the rest of human history (or at least until space clean up is possible) then that proves the conflict isn’t existential for Russia or about denazification in Ukraine.
I stopped following this gay slavic tribal war and my mental health improved.
It feels good coming back to here and seeing absolutely nothing.
>>2942457Probably ironic coming from me, but you were taking it way too seriously.
>>2942463True. I was crazy for a time.
>>2942189It's actually really cool and based to not initiate kessler syndrome you stupid faggot
>>2942336The abuses and torture was either outrageously visible and obvious and these men are made scapegoats of systemic abuses or that they lost some sort of political or institutional struggle and are now cleaned off the table by charges that everybody in the system are guilty of.
>>2942525Rule of law and democracy
Police secure Poland’s Constitutional Tribunal as protests erupt over court chief’s suspensionWARSAW, Poland (AP) — Police secured Poland’s Constitutional Tribunal on Friday as dozens of protesters gathered to demonstrate against what they perceive as the wrongful suspension of the top court’s president by the current pro-European government.
Police said they detained three people after some protesters breached the tribunal’s fence and others threw objects at officers.
Polish President Karol Nawrocki, who was flying to Senegal, said he turned his flight back because of the situation. “At a moment like this, the President must be in Poland. I am cutting short my flight to Senegal. I am returning,” he wrote on X.
Poland’s top judicial bodies, including the Constitutional Tribunal, have been a major bone of contention between the current pro-European government and the main opposition party, national-conservative Law and Justice (PiS).
Critics in Poland and the European Union accuse PiS, which led the country between 2015 and 2023, of imposing political control over key judicial institutions, including the Constitutional Tribunal. The PiS reforms led the EU to impose fines on Poland.
The pro-European government of Donald Tusk came to power in 2023 with a promise to restore the independence of the judiciary. Since then, the government’s efforts have been blocked by veto by two successive presidents aligned with PiS, including Nawrocki.
The information about the suspension of the president of the Constitutional Tribunal, Bogdan Święczkowski, was published on the website of the court around 6 p.m. local time. The website of the Tribunal went down soon after so The Associated Press could not independently verify the official reasons given for his suspension.
Święczkowski became head of the Constitutional Tribunal under the PiS government, and Tusk has accused him of blocking judges elected by the parliamentary majority from taking up their posts at the tribunal.
“Restoring the rule of law is our obligation,” Prime Minister Tusk wrote on X on Friday evening. “After years of lawlessness under PiS this is a difficult process, sometimes painful and it requires decisive action. There is no other way.”
Speaking about the future of the Constitutional Tribunal at Campus Polska in August, Tusk said his government had a plan to ensure the tribunal would be again staffed with lawfully appointed judges while acknowledging his methods may not be to everyone’s liking.
Politicians from PiS, currently the largest opposition force, have criticized Święczkowski’s suspension.
“This is a blatant, criminal attack on the constitutional order,” former Justice Minister Zbigniew Ziobro wrote on X Friday evening. “That is why I call for resistance that will be loud, firm, solidary and fearless.”
https://apnews.com/article/poland-european-union-justice-protests-police-tribunal-67eda2e3a151e00038d85a5e894a2a72 >>2942527>“At a moment like this, the President must be in Poland. I am cutting short my flight to Senegal. I am returning,”Ironic coming out of Polandw
their government ran away to Britain and had a government in exile for half a century >>2942525More chaos in the heart of the butthurt belt, the better.
>>2942525So where has this come from? What’s their beef with the EU after decades of it being the pride of any former European Communist state?
>>2942382I'm sorry reality hits you like a brick on the face.
>>2942525attempted coup in polack country before in russia, hilarious irony
>>2942540btw the under stalin build culture palace is still the prettiest building in warsaw, especially compared to those ugly glass dildos
>>2942525Oh yeah, it's adjacent. It's related to the governments in the region more and more going going off the guard rails of the European Union, like Finland and Norway calling Putin to make peace agreements, leaving absolute infantile Kallas and slave owner Pustula Con der Merde alone.
This might be the outcome of sanctioning your main cheap oil and gas supplier while you nurture the most rabidly criminal government there is called the banderite ukraine, who is consistently killing figures in Europe through the GUR and SBU operatives.
>>2942544Some said that internal anti-EU position is is behind this. Tusk did not approve
>>2937610Its beyond offensive that russian liberal oligarchy thinks I will be fanboying their next land grab.
>>2942539I will never believe you even if the Russians literally come to my house and threaten to kill me if I dont.
>>2942543pkin is a hideous asiatic pagoda that doesn't even belong on the continent
>>2942570Can you do your 'non-Russian-fanboying' in a way that does degenerate into demanding Russian capitulation and submission to it's betters in Brussels and Washington?
>>2942589you should be beaten with hammers
>>2942582Your consent is not required.
>>2942589>anti-communist rhetoric>hates Stalin's infrastructure>Asiatic racismfearing the Asiatic horde knocking down your door, aren't you?
So is this the Poland thread for now?
>>2942267You do realize they can just put satellites higher up next time, right? Kessler syndrome only fucks up orbits with many satellites on them right now, such as low earth orbit. It doesn't fuck up geostationary or the special Russian orbits used because Russia is at such high latitudes.
>>2942688It is easy to spot and destroy satellites you know.
I mean really, do you people know what time it is? China or Russia can eliminate all of us within less than hour. That is how it is. There is no negotiation, there is no maybe they can't or defenses we have. We can and will be eliminated in less than an hour.
>>2942692So can USA, France, UK. Or are you implying that Russia and China are inherently more evil than the west?
>>2942589>>2942731Poland is Asia. Asia used to stretch only as far as to the river Weichsel in the west, however today the river Oder separates Europe from Asia. Poland B, that is Poland proper, is basically Central Asian steppe. To separate Europe from Asia on a map draw a line on the western border of countries where people like to squat. Interestingly, Hungarians do not squat.
in before butthurt :——DD;;;—DDD
>>2942766crazy news for you - no one squats in poland
unless you're at the gym
>>2942771>>2942772crazy news for you: my post contained Polish police casually squatting in the wild :–DDD
>>2942642Then kill me already. I'm waiting. I absolutely dare you. Do it.
>>2942777they've got their heels off the ground that's not comfortable and result of living in an enviorment with chairs/benches proper comfortable squat has feet flat on ground which people who aren't used to squatting simply can not do
:–dd doesn't hide your retardation
>>2942796it's not your fault, it's the race mixing
you'll surely have better luck next time so roll those dice anytime
>>2942802your german master is speaking, slavische untermenschen. your grandfather would be leashed 20 times for such an infraction as speaking when not being asked. this is the natural order of things that evil asiatic muscovites wanted to end, fools, all of them.
i know what you are. you know what you are why even play this game
>>2942802You're projecting, Shlomo. Collecting mutations via inbreeding is more of zionist racist problem. You should be thankful that you've picked up some Polish/Slavic or other diversity in the genetic bottleneck your ancestors went through in Eastern Europe some 500 years ago, otherwise you'd be even more retarded.
I was just trolling you btw. I don't look down onto Slavs and Asians and of course Poland is a European country.
I'm always squatting heels to the ground when I'm posting here. I hate chairs. I am also part Slavic.
>>2942816I got my shit setup like a Jap, but I don't really do seiza most of the time.
>>2942766My knees don't let me squat.
GG
Not Slav confirmed.
>>2942814>Collecting mutations via inbreeding is more of zionist racist problem.it's actually both. jews are the result of mixing of very distant populations (semites, khazars and etiopids) that went through a couple genetic bottlenecks. the frequency of genetic and psychological disorders in their population as well as their limited but peculiar set of phenotypes is the result of being simultaneously inbred and outbred
>>2942820it's your heels
similar thing with afro-asiatic peoples of horn of africa
>>2942823>it's heelsWhen i try to keep the slav squat position for a while my legs, knees, heels and back start to hurt rather quickly despite i used to be fairly flexible from Taekwondo training. I think if you can feel relaxed in such a position you're used to it from a very young age.
>>2942829It's not about relaxation per se. I guess I just like to be on my feet at all times. A lot of these squatters are nothing too. My ass is all the way to my heels and it's nothing.
>>2942830Of course you get to rest your elbows on your knees too. It's just a very natural position. It's not like I can do splits or anything, I can't imagine really how it is a difficult position for some people.
>>2942820they put their feet square on the ground. Slav squat is a relaxed pose without spring-like tension in your feet when you touch ground only with your toes. Basically, it's a shitting pose without the shitting.
>>2942688The "we can survive nuclear war" of kessler syndrome
>>2942690It's not. A satellite costs less than 1mil. How much do you need to spend to reach it?
>>2942831> I can't imagine really how it is a difficult position for some peoplebasically sitting mostly using chairs when you're young end up shortening some ankle sinew which makes it literally impossible to squat properly if you're not used to it from an early age, despite the fact its a super useful posture to be able to keep comfortably (for example, if you dont have any sitting space available and the ground is filthy)
>>2942781What? No, 'your consent is not required' means nobody cares enough to threaten you into believing something, because your belief, or lack thereof, means absolutely nothing.
>>2942666Speaking of Poland, it seems that the event isn't exactly a coup, rather it looks more like a constitutional crisis. The Nawrocki faction controls the tribunal, including the constitutional tribunal, they decided they can interprete the law according how they want, but Tusk faction isn't publishing the law, de-facto vetoing it.
So we are seeing the pro-eu neolib government led by prime minister tusk doing a soft coup against the president, another neolib, and against the tribunal held by the president faction.
funny stuff, Nawrocki vetoes the laws passed by the senate and sejm, both floors held by the Tusk faction, in the same fashion tusk vetoes the constitutional changes that the tribunal controlled by nawrocki try to roll out.
If tusk were to un-veto the changes, all the appointments made by nawrocki would be effective.
anyway, no lose, no wins, all reaction, all neoshitlibs there.
>>2943028If that were true, you people wouldn't spend so much time and effort trying to convince everyone to let you conquer Ukraine.
>>2943057we're not trying to convince anybody here, but we do get constant tourists who just love the idea of NATO and the United States having a big victory for some reason even though it's completely incompatible with being a communist, as would say almost everyone in ukraine itself and among its foreign supporters.
>>2943025the more NATO wastes money in this war the better
>>2943025All Ukrainian military procurement and financial support is just a thinly veiled ruse to embezzle western taxpayers money. At every level and in Ukraine and EU there is always 10% to the big guy.
>>2943064That's just capitalism every where every time, russoid porkies also are making record amounts of money even though the economy is stagnant, this is how you can tell nationalism is a cuck ideology because of how its prole followers love getting fleeced
>>2943064I care so much about the western taxpayers money…
>>2943061Wonderful, a "left" way for westerners to cheer on NATO spending that will go to bombings of Donbass's children.
>>2943072fascists kill fascists while collapsing their own economies
>>2943074The more I hear about this Collapse guy the more I am cheering for him
>>2943061What is sad it's that the ukranians lives wasted on this endeavor.
>>2943064Yeah.
>>2943082Nazi lives don't matter
>>2943067It's not "just capitalism", it's massive scale corruption. Give them a billion. Money goes in on one level, somebody takes a cut, pays others to look away (or sends snitches to the frontlines), moves the rest of the money to the next guy. At the end of the chain somebody buys 1000 Temu drones from China with 10k and calls it weapons procurement. End of story No wages, profit or commodity production required.
>>2943088It is good that our enemy is so incompetent and corrupt
>>2943089>Delivery due next decade. Is there any other angle in this beside European leaders paying protection money to the US for not disbanding Nato just yet and getting a cut themselves?
>>2943091oh, yeah, lol, more money laundering. I mean, the protection racketeering, if anything, because they know Russia won't invade Europe, it's that they get fine loyalties for this buy.
>>2943060The more Trump and the non-Eastern European far right side with the Russians the more ideologically incoherent a supposedly left wing pro-Russian stance becomes (not that it ever made much sense to support Russia when it's outright anti-Communist now).
>>2943089>2030The Americans are so fucking cooked if they try to defend Taiwan. They cannot MAKE anything anymore.
>>2943097You just want to see Russians die, aren't you?
>>2943099The fact you're not even responding to what I said is yet more evidence you can't refute what I'm saying (thus further implying you are a SVR agent, as you are legally required to never concede any point or any argument).
>>2943104>imperialism is ok when the Russians do itNot beating the allegations. If you don't want Eastern Europe to be so Russophobic, stop trying to subjugate them.
>>2943064>muh taxpayer moneys!!!1It's all a plot to find markets for western military goods. "Taxpayer moneys" are merely a bonus, it's a trickle compared to real profits
>>2943105Why are you not EU-phobic, then? Advancement of EU into the region brought about only poverty and misery
>>2943145In what alternate universe? Or you mean countries like Serbia, Albania, Moldova and Belarus?
>>2943148>EU improved Poland, Hungary, Baltoids, etcLol, lmao. A EU cocksucker critizes somebody for (critically) supporting Russia
>>2943150i think you are simply retarded. Instantly backpedaling to some nonsense.
>>2943151You are screeching about "Russia wants to conquer them!!!", yet refuse to see the open imperialism and exploitation that's happening in those countries done by the hands of EU, or rather, Germany+France+Italy(+Britain). This means you are either stupid or dishonest and are a EU cocksucker
>>2943153Russian imperialism is objectively worse. Not only they keep their client states poor, but also send ethnic Russians to colonize.
>>2943156>they keep their client states poor????
Dude, EU client states are comparatively worse than they were during Russian "imperialism". For example, Poland was an industrial giant, and today they cope with "muh GDP" and USD values, lmao. Baltoids lost half of their populations, not russkies living there, nominal nations ddecreased in size, while orthodox population only increased in size, with industries dying off. Hungarian population reliably votes that Soviet era was better than modern times.
EU is objectively an imperialist organization that colonized East Europe. And as always, imperialist press paints the picture as if civilizing hand of Europe improved quality of life - while in truth it was a degradation of every part of life. Not speaking about 80s, obviously, that's a different story.
>but also send ethnic Russians to colonizeAccording to who? How were the numbers calculated?
>>2943203Every time, right? Any time people criticize Russia for imperialism, turns out, they are supporters of EU and USA. "Inter"imperialist conflict, indeed
>>2942279>So why is this a viable tactic?<How is destroying the satellite network that is actively guiding Ukrainian drones and missiles into Russian infrastructure, alongside constantly performing reconnaissance on Russian troop and armor positions 24/7 a good thing for Russia?To ask the question is to answer it. I hate how you always switch back to pleading ignorance because you already know the answer and for whatever retarded reason think that playing dumb can function in lieu of a real argument. If Ukraine doesn't know in advance that Russia is moving tanks towards a village, Russia automatically gains an advantage because any counter-attack will be slower. If Ukraine can no longer rely on Starlink to provide guidance for their drones and missiles then their drones and missiles will also become more inaccurate, making it more likely for their targets to survive since the weapons can go off-course or take longer to find their target. Every second of time that Russia buys for its front line troops and armor can save lives and only a complete moron would deny this.
>>2943156>Russian imperialism is objectively worseI made a meme just for you.
>>2943097in what way are they siding with the russians? did ukraine actually get their intelligence feeds and starlinks cut? did the givas end? did the united states place trade restrictions on ukraine? did they send troops to fight ukraine? did the west european far right do any of these things? you know, actions that actually constitute support and not regular trade. china and dprk did btw.
The Russia simps in here would unrionically have supported the Japanese Empire purely because they fought the United States; ie, you are not socialists, and no, I don't believe your claims that you are.
>>2943156if you were in any way acquainted with theory and actually tried to larp, you'd at least say social imperialism because socialist states are by definition incapable of actual imperialism (you are obviously referring to migration to the baltics during soviet times here) and even china during the worst of the sino-soviet split acknowledged that, this was the cope term they came up with. there is no point in arguing theory with liberals. you are in no position to argue what is and isn't compatible with communism. be honest with us and maybe with yourself and acknowledge that you're a liberal.
>>2943228They don't claim to be socialists, just locked in on genociding the hohols whatever it costs up to supporting Israel and AfD nazis
>>2943231No country did more to destroy the USSR than Russia, and having a boomer nostalgia party that happens to be named "communist" does not magically make a country sympathetic to communism. Nationalist nostalgia for the USSR on the basis it held most of the territory of the Russian empire is pathetic, not inspiring.
(Russia also, incidentally, banned the CPSU in 1991. This ban was upheld as constitutional in 1992 and remains in force. Wow! So communist! They allow another org to skinwalk the corpse of the real thing - Hohols on suicide watch!)
>>2943240it sure is better for communists when they're burned alive, hunted down by state-backed skinheads, the cultural environment is made totally hostile to any positive mentions of the soviet union, multiculturalism built up during the socialist period is destroyed in favor of the singular Volk, western capital and intelligence assumes total control of the state, a civil war is started several times as the new regime totally refuses any concessions to the Other, mainly because the regime wants to be in the premiere anticommunist military bloc so much. it sure is worse for communists than being allied to china and dprk and having nearly universal support for the soviet union, because I guess it didn't result in a communist revolution yet and capital remains in control. there's no difference between ineffectually blasting reactionary bullshit on tv and sending armed skinheads to kill and terrorize people for any soviet sympathies, thus shutting down all publicly held socialist support.
>>2943248The result is the same lmao. Reign of capital untouched. You have to use moralism to justify one, or even the other. The people's skinheads and volk aren't any better.
>>2943256>the result is the samepure cope. there is a fundamental difference between the state backed mass killings of communists in indonesia and the sozialistengesetze in germany. one is arguable more favourable to us than the other, hence a "sham" communist party where you have to watch your tongue is in any respect better than having no communist party whatsoever and having to work completely underground. There was an rt interview of a guy who escaped the frontline in ukraine while he was apart of various right wing azov formations, in the interview he stated he escaped because was a communist. No doubt he will be under state surveillance but imagine saying this in ukropistan without getting lynched.
>>2943248You are wedded entirely to an aesthetic. You'd fellate the US if they put up some hammers and sickles while keeping everything else the same. Embarrassing and sad.
>>2943228You'd have to demonstrate with tangible, reproducible, and accountable evidence that today's Russia is 1940-45 Japan, and today's US is 1940-45 US to change people's minds around here. But since you are
>*inserts stupid claim*>no I won't elaborateI'll simply say you masturbate thinking about nick fuentes.
and no, i won't elaborate either.
Thinking back to the raid on Hostomel airport it's simultaneously genuinely heroic on the defender's part and really funny on the attacker's part. Operation "don't siege Kiev, take it immediately" ending exactly like you'd imagine such a GSG brained strategy to go.
Except that operation "just fucking kidnap the president of Venezuela bro just grab him at night" tried something similar (in terms of one of the sub goals of getting Zelensky) and it actually worked! So despite being an obviously dumb idea, you can enjoy it on the level of failed execution as well as failed conception.
>>2943290Every point he made is about actions taken by the government, not aesthetics.
>>2942525I'm responding late, but this is basically election kayfabe for poleyim. PO and PiS tries to pack the courts whenever they're in power for as long as I've followed polack politics and the opposition party calls it an ebil unconstitutional threat to our liberal democracy each time it happens.
>>2943275>hence a "sham" communist party where you have to watch your tongue is in any respect better than having no communist party whatsoever and having to work completely underground.No it isn't. the moment communism becomes truly a threat cause of wildcat strikes and non-legal protests become rampant among workers, the state pushes the communists to the underground. It's inevitable by definition. The russian communist party in the Duma is no better than the communist parties in the parliaments of other european countries. And Ukraine has become militarised and has been armed as a NATO proxy so of course they have killed communists.
>>2943145>Advancement of EU into the region brought about only poverty and miseryto whom?
>>2943184>>but also send ethnic Russians to colonize>According to who? How were the numbers calculated?there's russian immigrants in baltic states to this very day and it doesn't seem like they want to go back to where they belong, no?
>>2943145>Advancement of EU into the region brought about only poverty and miseryWhat? Polands economy has gone up 8x from 1990-levels.
>>2943307>And Ukraine has become militarised and has been armed as a NATO proxy so of course they have killed communistsimagine just handwaving this
>>2943320well the economy grew but about 30% of polecattle live in poverty
>>2943323it's 5%, you're mistaking poland for pakistan or el salvador
even in undeveloped countries poverty line seldom reaches 10% you need to be an actual failed state to reach 30%
>>2943328i'm not referring to extreme poverty, rather the social minimum, about 550 dollars a month. and that figure is closer to 40% than 30% so that was wrong ig
>>2943336living paycheck to paycheck is not poverty, not having your needs met is poverty
>>2943319Immigrants? They live there for 50+ years. They started living there after WW2 as part of USSR's strategy to develop industrial power in Baltic states, which in interwar period slided from being industrial hub of Russian Empire into "agrarian superpowers" both because Russians evacuated industries and because colonizing Germans and Swedes forbade industrial production there.
And since Stalin started industrializing Baltics, there needed to be engineers who knew how to operate this shit - hence the Russian population. Same happened in Central Asia, and that wasn't some ploy to russify locals. And by the way, local leaders voted against industrialization and wanted to remain agrarian just to "secure jobs for locals", lmao.
Later on, Baltics were Florida of USSR in that pensioneers relocated there, boosting local economies. Do modern Floridians hate their "foreign" old people? Do keep in mind that Baltics were part of USSR, same country with Russians, and that a lot of Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians studied, worked and simply lived in the wider USSR, and unlike modern times with Europe instead of USSR, they were fucking returning home, because local future prospects weren't so bleak as they are today
>>2943344>Immigrants? They live there for 50+ years.and that's a 100+ too many - time to go back
>>2943337Changes in the definition of poverty will continue until morale improves
>>2943347that's been the definition of poverty since the very beginning
>>2943344So you are saying they did colonize because you know there were no "local engineers" in Africa, Asia and Americas…
everyone needs to read collapse, that way you can realize that everyone is evil and Russia in particular is stupid stupid stupid, destroying the union that contained most of its former empire out of nationalism and then going waah, waah, waah, the mean nationalists and state department took my empire away. (Read: I thought my vassals were ripping me off, but now I'm sad the map is smol.)
Ukraine doesn't come out of things looking great either, Russian collaborators and funniest disprovers of the theory the new union treaty was a goer, but there's a very apt bit in there where someone tells the British that Ukraine leaving would be like Scotland leaving the UK, which reinforces the most important message of all: this is a stupid part of the world that history has passed by which needs to stop glory hunting and start trying to be a nice place to live, just like Britain. Which sadly hasn't broken up yet, but give it time
Instead we find Russia and Britain mutually pretending the other matters. Sad, sad, sad!
Read collapse.
>>2943337yes, and the social minimum is the amount of money needed to meet basic needs (and i'd argue it's too low)
>>2943321I handwave it just like I handwave that Iran is a militarised islamist state so of course they kill communists. Same as Afghanistan and Syria.
>>2943228in 1940's most anons here wouldve had the trotskyist line imo. Z gang wouldve just followed Soviet party line on Japan which was quite cold at best. This is a really stupid comparison to make anon
>>2943156this is what liberals actually believe
>>2943228>I've literally never opened a book about marxist imperialist theory in my life so I make up retarded strawmen to try to cover it upyeah, we know
>>2943365>I have no idea what colonization meansfucking libs
>>2943433cucktin posters would be crying that stalin doesn't use chemical weapons and that he didn't declare war on japan yet
we'd have totally organic people saying that the soviet union is a prison of peoples and that whatever you think about hitler, you've gotta support their self-determination within reichskommissariats
and the opinion of russians among these organic left-wing posters would be the same, if not better
if hitler is so bad, why did all these european countries choose to join the axis?
muscovite asiatics btfo
>>2943681this can't be healthy
Why is it so hard for campoids to accept the world is no longer like the Cold War but more like pre-WW1? It's not a world where there's two major camps and one is good ans the other is bad. Instead, there's a elite clique of countries (ie those with nuclear weapons) that jockey for strategic dominance. Slavishly siding against the US no matter what and with Russia no matter what is retarded, it's completely unprincipled and a symptom of being stuck in a Cold War mentality where you simply refuse to accept that it's possible for all major powers to be, though of different power levels, imperialist to the extent they're capable of exerting themselves as such.
>"But have you considered both sides bad?!?!" post #3465749023
Empty your fucking wrists. Save me the trouble.
>>2943773>siding against the US no matter what is retardedWhy?
>>2944004Anti-campists are simple retarded
Stalin was right, there are in fact two camps and to take no sides is to take the side of the imperialist side in the most cowardly of ways. So anti-campists are merely pro-imperialist propagandists either too cowardly to admit it outright (hence the "both sides are le bad" framing) or genuinely too retarded to realize they're the mythical useful idiots.
oh nice we're on >russian imperialism is anti-imperialist because you have to be *insert whatever* to be imperialist loop again
>>2944027you do not know what the word imperialism means
>>2944014It's simpler than that. One side is for truth, another is for lies. Half-truth is a lie. Therefore, anti-campists are pro-lie camp
>>2944014Did Stalin support the Entente or the Central Powers?
>>2944034yeah good thing we've not gone over this ad nauseam multiple times this year alone
>>2943987I'd rather put you in front of a firing squd.
Russia underestimated this so hard lmao
>Zelensky clicks upload, then, a few moments later…
<WAOW! Awoooga! *takes off shoe and bangs it on head* just LOOK at that smoke plume! Just wait until LE champagne gets a load of this! He’s not gonna believe his eyes when he sees all of this oil smoke with no visible fire, he’s probably going to cry, please Bandera let him cry when I post it! “Small, Smokey fire” my anti-campist BALLS!
I’m still waiting for this to collapse the entire Russian economy in a matter of days btw.
>>2944014Stalin was allied with Nazi Germany against imperialists until he got invaded by Nazi Germany
>people think they're actually "taking sides" in a battle against imperialism by posting slop on leftypol.org
lol
>>2944228No that’s just an accusation. There’s a reason why I call the tacitly pro-Western “anti-campists” NAFOids while I myself get accused of being an actual Russian agent. I’m aware that this is all just discussion and opinions, NAFOids either ITT or on Xitter do not and set up their own online camp while thinking they’re fighting the very real camp of Russia.
I’m anti-NATO. Albeit only in opinion, I’m not getting myself nicked for Russia by torching a factory I suspect is producing drones for Ukraine or something like that. You’d have thought it’d be uncontroversial and not campism to be opposed to the mass expansion of NATO, despite the very obvious flaw that the expanding borders will eventually clash with a nuclear power that’s treated as a hostile obstacle. But no, I’m ackshually a campist and what’s more I’m a paid SVR agent but further real communists have outed me because of course the anti-campist position is to excuse decades of sustained expansionism to one’s self and defend the authoritarian aspirants of this historic expansion drive aggressively online.
Although I do also have a particular dislike for the Ukrainian state. I’m opposed also to the expansion of NATO to include the until-recently-officially-neutral Scandinavian states also, there’s just a lot less to say about a couple of generic SocDem countries posioned with Americanism.
>>2944232we already established a long time ago that you are simply a fascist shitting the leftist board
>>2944234What’s been established is that plenty of Western anons are nominally opposed to their own states, but still can’t get over their conditioning to believe that the West is intrinsically superior to the East and “anti-campism” is the liberalism of claiming neutrality in a situation where you’re overly confident your side will win.
You needed it explaining to you, but anons seem less fucked off about their liberalism being exposed, rather more that I dare compare the West to Russia at all, let alone expressing the opinion I think the West are superior here neither politically nor morally.
>>2944233Scandis wouldn't have joined NATO if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine.
This, fundamentally, is what makes me hostile to Russian apologists: I cannot abide incompetence. Every argument in their favour suddenly damns them when it comes to implementation. Even if we charitably say the invasion was necessary to stop one nearby country joining NATO, now they've pushed 2 more into NATO instead. That's before we ask anything like "did the funny business in 2014 rekindle Ukrainian elites desire to join NATO, which has been waning due to NATOs obvious lack of sympathy, and does the current war make it more or less likely that it will ultimately do so?"
I can grant incompetence on the part of Ukraine or NATO too, but it's rare to find someone defend their errors, while some people will never tire of telling you that we have to back this dud against the dominant power. I've much more time for China simping because China is run competently.
>>2944236>Scandis wouldn't have joined NATO if Russia hadn't invaded UkraineSpurious reasoning considering neither the first nor second world wars seemed to compel Sweden into dropping its neutrality. It’s unlikely that the Ukrainian conflict itself allowed the Swedish state to
authoritatively drop a centuries old tradition of neutrality to join an expanding military power without a referendum. More likely it’s the result of the last couple of generations being raised on the same American pro-Military media shit we’ve all been raised on, kids played Cock of Dooty: Modern Gorefare in Sweden (or it’s Battlefield clones) for years and now everyone’s kinda meh about about neutrality in a way they weren’t when Hitler was marauding about invading everyone.
>I cannot abide incompetence. Dangerously close to the claim that Trump “just likes winners”.
>>2944242I only raise the morality angle because I’ve had anons before raise the social liberalism in the West as a reason for why Russia should lose.
>your side Yeah as I said, campism ITT is an accusation made by those who dub themselves “anti-campists” but spend all their time talking about how the “Zigger camp” is going to lose/has already lost and why they’re pleased despite their supposed neutrality. It’s the liberalism of not needing to pick a camp because one already believes the side they want to win, will win. “Campists” therefore are people who are refusing to accept “neutrality” over this supposed foregone conclusion.
Essentially the asshurt ITT is entirely with Westoids trying to wash their hands of NATO expansion because of chauvinistic takes and failing to keep their hands clean because… well that’s simply not possible with imperialism and military expansionism.
Ukraine keeps hitting new lows in their failing performance as a budding liberal democracy, the West keeps funding it, Western “communist parties” keep Trotting out by suggesting that maybe the Nazi saluters being victorious will result in social upheaval that Russian Trots might be able to exploit. The whole situation is pretty tragic for “lefties” who can’t or won’t confront the fact that there can be bad guys in the world and you’re it.
>>2944245Nothing good is going to come of this whole thing. I really can't get how anyone can be that invested in it or gloat about it. How many people died for this stupid shit by now?
>>2944246Too many, considering this conflict was predicted by Western analysts back in the 90s as soon as NATO expansion started. The reaction was “show me the signed agreement that said NATO wouldn’t expand” likely intentionally missing the point and pushing on with expansion for 20+ years.
>>2944249Well, then don't you think it was a failure of Russia to prevent it if everyone knew it was coming?
>>2944250Yeah I can see you’re keeping up the tradition of intentionally missing the point with
NATO expansionism.
>>2944251No, NATO hasn't lost like a single man damn near. I'm saying since you say this was all prophesied, maybe to preserve Russian lives, steps should've been taken to prevent it.
>>2944252Not deterred at all in intentionally missing the point.
one day it's about NATO expansionism, the other it's about deleting ukraine which is a fake nation, wednesday it's the heckin war of civilizations, sometimes it's about saving the poor russians by spraying minefields or fighting nazism trough funneling money to AfD, every day it's a new justification, my favorite is rebuilding the ussr the chicago school way
>>2944253I get your point, you're talking about some moralistic who is in the right and who is in the wrong, I'm talking about who objectively is taking losses and if they should've taken steps to prevent it.
>>2944255No I’m saying conflict with Russia was a predictable outcome of NATO expansion since it started, yet it was pursued anyway. There’s no way you can make that Russia’s responsibility by misunderstanding that very straightforward fact.
>>2944254A situation is multifaceted rather than a simple dichotomy? How difficult that must be for you to be performatively neutral but “RUSSIA BAD” on every facet instead of just one big clash between civilisations.
>>2944254It is MAGA communism
>>2944258>No I’m saying conflict with Russia was a predictable outcome of NATO expansion since it started, yet it was pursued anyway. There’s no way you can make that Russia’s responsibility by misunderstanding that very straightforward fact.I'm saying that I thought we agreed NATO expansion was predictable.
https://espionagehistoryarchive.com/2016/01/09/the-kremlins-psychic-spies/
<RG: And can you provide examples of reading information from the subconscious of the US leadership?
>BR: I think that today we can do that. Back at the beginning of the 1990’s, we “worked” with Robert Strauss, the new US ambassador in Russia. Having read his thoughts, we came to the conclusion that within the embassy there was a device for psychotronic influence on Muscovites, but it was deactivated. We also received other information from his subconscious. A couple weeks before the start of the bombardment of Yugoslavia by American aviation, we held a seance to connect with the subconscious of Secretary of State Madeline Albright. I won’t begin to recount all her thoughts; I’ll note only the most characteristic moments that were confirmed already after the beginning of NATO’s aggression in Serbia.
>First of all, within Madame Albright’s thoughts we discovered a pathological hatred for Slavs. She was also incensed that Russia possessed the largest reserves of minerals in the world. In her opinion, in the future not just one country should dispose of Russian reserves, but all humanity under the supervision, of course, of the United States. And she saw the war in Kosovo only as the first step in establishing control over Russia.With decades to prepare, this isn't a good outcome for Russia.
>>2944261>I'm saying that I thought we agreed NATO expansion was predictable. Yeah like I kept telling you, you were misunderstanding. Likely intentionally.
>With decades to prepare, this isn't a good outcome for Russia.They were prepared. In an ideal world for the US, Russia would have never progressed beyond the 90s and I do recall NATO optimism in 2022 revolving around the belief that was true. Most vivid example I recall was the suggestion that none of Russia’s tanks will work because corrupt military officers have sold all the valuable components on the black market.
>>2944262At the end of the day, only Slavs are dying. NATO is just losing money and oldstock hardware. Russia fucked up bad. It's not a moral kind of thing. Strategically.
>fighting nazism trough funneling money to AfD
This is also like the 50th time you’ve claimed this without proving
>A. The AfD are Nazis unironically in the same way Banderites are
>B. The Russians are behind their electoral successes
>C. That any proven Russian support is in solidarity with Nazism rather than the policy of ending conflict with Russia
I’m sorry to say but RUSSIA BAD isn’t the kind of analysis that’s going to explain a very right-wing party gaining support in Germany.
>>2944239Yeah Sweden joined NATO because of call of duty, that's why it did so during the peak of the Franchise c. 2007-12 and not immediately after Russia invaded Ukraine. That must be it. Or maybe it was the Pepsi generation and they joined under Reagan.
>>2944249- Russia signed several agreements in the 1990s affirming the right of any country to join whatever security arrangements it wanted.
- While Ukraine did then pivot towards NATO, other Euro countries obviously blocked it and nobody was interested
- Ukraine then pivoted to neutrality, and even after maidan affirmed that aim
- Then Russia took donbass which nobody really cared about except Ukraine, who went back to trying to join NATO (great move, Russia! You had em neutral on that question - or at least drifting to NATO slowly - and made them to quickly instead!)
- In negotiations before the full scale invasion the US openly told Ukraine they weren't getting into NATO and while they refused to say so publicly (because they maintain the line it's open to anyone interested) they did reiterate to Russia that this was obviously what they were doing
- Russia, as we know, ignored this and started a war of choice anyway. Let's be fair and say that this was reasonable because America was lying and definitely wanted Ukraine in NATO
- Oh no, Gromit, we forgot to invade Finland and Sweden! They've been 360 noscoping their way into NATO this whole time!
>>2944258The question is this: what has Russia gained? Instead of NATO threatening its southern border it has… A forever war with NATO on its southern border, and NATO on its northern border..?
I am openly amoral here: I think Russia is useful as a hate sink for US bloodlust so China is left alone. Russia is an irrelevant has been regional power that can only really cause trouble for Europe, an irrelevant has been region. Ukraine's pretentions to being a normal irrelevant European shithole are far less galling than Russia's pretentions to being a great power rather than a bigger United Kingdom. >>2944264>A. The AfD are Nazis can't even attack this argument without jumping at the defense of
literal hitlerites, this is why this whole anti nazi crusade is unbelievable
>>2944263I didn’t make it a moral situation, you did with
>How many people died for this stupid shit by now?and you’ve pussed out because you weren’t allowed to wilfully misunderstand the fact that NATO expanding towards Russia was predicated to result in war from day one, but done anyway.
You’re now pivoting to trying to frame NATO expansion as something Russia somehow did, leading me to believe I’m the only person on the internet who got bored of Call of Duty after the original Black Ops.
Like I can already see it, Call of Duty: Modern Boogaloo coming sometime after the conflict is over
>The Rashans knew expanding their military pact across Europe would result in War, but they pursued it anyway ignoring all diplomatic efforts by the US to prevent expansion and war, but arrogantly they continued.. >>2944267I keep trying to explain to you that almost no NATO citizens have died and they do not care about dead Ukrainians, they got everything they wanted out of this situation and more.
>>2944265>that's why it did so during the peak of the Franchise c. 2007-12 and not immediately after Russia invaded Ukraine.I actually lmao’d
It’s not an environment of persistent militarism in consumer culture, no what I was saying is that Call of Duty 4 in particular was so fucking based that obviously everyone’s demanding NATO membership now to be like Captain Price and the flaw with that IS that Modern Warfare the remake is widely considered to not be bussin’
>>2944269Yeah and it’s NATO’s responsibility therefore.
Like are you trying to convince me to become neutral on NATO because getting what it wants kills thousands of others? I was perfectly aware of this before 2022.
But now we see the mask come off, multiple anons simperingly asking
>erm but was resisting NATO worth it?
>>2944272I'm not, obviously America is the demonic entity hanging upon this world. I'm just saying Russia should've done more to prevent this situation occurring in the first place, and they need a better strategy to end it because they are right where they want them. Ukraine, a country that is not even in NATO, they don't give a shit about is taking all the losses. They'd serve up the Pollacks next if they could just to bleed Russia.
>>2944274Like? Russia went through all the diplomatic expectations and nevertheless prepared themselves to be more resilient against sanctions than the West were expecting.
You’re letting good be the enemy of perfect by essentially saying
>but the aggressive, bloodthirsty expansionist military bloc continued to be aggressive, bloodthirsty and expansionist in the meantimeWell short of mind control or an extinction event, not much Russia can do to change NATO’s nature while resisting it.
>>2944276Well, they could've not let Ukraine slip from their grasp as they did, but what is done is done. What do you see as a favorable outcome for Russia in all this?
>>2944254ouch, that was brutal
>>2944277Ultimately the political movement that made Ukraine the Banderite state it is today was incubated over decades outside of Ukraine, unleashed within Ukraine itself as soon as the dissolution of the USSR allowed it (or a bit earlier via Gorbachev’s liberalism).
I’m sure you’re not surprised to hear I hold the counter-revolution in Eastern Europe as NATO’s victory, this conflict is just resistance.
>What do you see as a favorable outcome for Russia in all this?The retention of their resources and the reindustrialisation of Russia under domestic ownership, both are much better circumstances for the Russian proletariat than the White Yeltsinite dream of just buying everything from the West with oil and gas sold at semi-colonial prices.
>>2944280You both have the habit of not capitalising letters, huh?
>>2944258Your equivocation doesn't really work here. It's predictable that if you elect a communist government the CIA will fuck you up - does this put responsibility for Allende's death on him and not on the US and the putschists? More to the point: merely being predictable means nothing. Does a bee generally gain from using it's one sting against you, simply because that was predictable?
>>2944282Putin is Yeltsin's anointed successor you rube, the call is coming from inside the house.
>>2944276>>2944276>Russia went through all the diplomatic expectations and it could (theoretically) have just not gone ooga booga and none of this would have happened.
>>2944286So you can appreciate why I’m somewhat pleased that NATO’s intended swift post-COVID economic recovery plan of kicking the rotten door to Russia’s resources open via Banderites has backfired and subjected the Russian proletariat to years of Western dickheads leaving no doubt in anyone’s mind how pervasive Russophobia it is and its acuteness in the West.
Although I’m not pleased with the circumstances, I am glad that Russia will now produce passenger jets with out the question of “why not just buy Boeing?”
That is to say, dumping Russia’s Soviet legacy just got a lot harder for the Yeltsinites. So kudos for that NATO.
>>2944289don't you mean ukraine's resources?
>>2944292What resources?
No literally that’s what will be asked after handing Ukraine a billion dollar contract for their resources.
>>2944289I'm inclined to suspect they'll ultimately go Chinese. Not a bad outcome, unless China gets too protective of their vassal. America wouldn't die for Britain, hopefully China is similarly wise.
>>2944282>The retention of their resources and the reindustrialisation of Russia under domestic ownership, both are much better circumstances for the Russian proletariat than the White Yeltsinite dream of just buying everything from the West with oil and gas sold at semi-colonial prices.Sure. The ultimate goal of NATO is to turn Russia into another client state or at least degrade them from the status of a super power to somewhat under the American sphere of influence. How more specifically do you see this Ukraine war resolving favorably?
>>2944295that's what i am asking
which of russia's resources was evil evil nato trying to claim?
and how did it intend to do that using evil evil banderites in a completely different state
>>2944299>China has vassalsThe both-sidism cannot and will not be silenced!
>>2944299I think China really just doesn't want to risk anything going against NATO. Russia is still it's own super power of sorts. They're really on there own in all this I feel. If they become a client state of China then they lost, but I don't think China even cares for that.
>>2944303We get to this point where anons turn into blabbering retards just to keep posting.
>>2944306if you're going to accuse nato of claiming russian resources it would be nice if you could specify which resources, where and how you have in mind
>>2944305They can achieve hegemony by just doing whatever they are doing now. Sooner than later Taiwan will be a backwards island compared to the mainland and will rejoin willingfully.
>>2944309They are taking Russian diesel already
>>2944301>How more specifically do you see this Ukraine war resolving favorably?The fact you’re asking that suggests you think
>The ultimate goal of NATO is to turn Russia into another client state or at least degrade them from the status of a super power to somewhat under the American sphere of influence.isn’t a big deal.
Go on, you don’t consider yourself an anti-campist do you?
>>2944311>They can achieve hegemony by just doing whatever they are doing nowYeah exactly. That's what I'm saying, they really don't need to risk anything or get involved at all.
>>2944314Obviously it's a big deal for Russia. I just asked you how this war ends favorably for Russia.
>>2944309You’ve not yet figured out how the shift key works, you’re not going to understand what a proxy war is or the fact the spoils of war are not likewise enjoyed by proxy.
>>2944314is it a big deal? russia hasn't been a superpower since the fall of su and russians themselves spin tales of nato / eu membership periodically despite the obvious
>>2944316Again this is blabbering like a retard. I have to ask you what the favourable outcome of
that is.
>>2944317better to type lowercase than to repeat empty propaganda slogans
>>2944319Damn, getting really defensive and aggro. I guess it is a sore point for you. I guess anything less than ultimate defeat is the only answer you've offered up so far, and the only answer you have. I guess I'll take that and understand that's all you the bongaloid have to hope for, for Russia.
>>2944325Indeed, keep fighting the good fight.
>>2944254Russia won't invade Ukraine. Max Blumenthal told me. Do you really think Russia is as bloodthirsty as the US?
>>2944323He always deflects when you call him or Russia a fascist/fascist state. He also uses champagne socialist flag as a derogatory meme against the left. Basically a rubot who doesn't even try to pretend.
>>2944335I was being completely diplomatic and asking an honest question I was curious to hear his opinion on, but since he has no answer he just gets aggro and starts insulting.
>>2944341The problem is you’re so out of your depth ITT you apparently don’t realise how mask off
> Sure. The ultimate goal of NATO is to turn Russia into another client state or at least degrade them from the status of a super power to somewhat under the American sphere of influence. <How more specifically do you see this Ukraine war resolving favorably?is.
When you started blustering in
>>2944323 I realise that you consider your “victory condition” not to be actually making a point, it’s to just keep asking the same bizarre question over and over until I lose my temper which isn’t going to happen and therefore we’re deadlocked in a loop of
>Russia retains its resources and independence from the imperial core>but what’s the favourable outcome for Russia in this conflict? The entire NATO expansion argument can be shut down by merely reminding everyone Russia has nuclear weapons, ergo, NATO cannot attack it, it doesnt matter how many countries join. The actual argument against NATO is that it makes you an American puppet - which it does - nnot that its a threat to Russia. Anyone who insists that it is is outing themselves as a propagandist, its just an excuse for why Russia should be allowed to conquer its neighbours. You give up the realpolitik justification for buffer states when you acquire nuclear weapons and thus gain immunity to invasion, insisting otherwise is just a cover for wanton imperialism. The valid criticism of Ukraine is for trying to join the US simp club, but if that justifies a Russian invasion that by extension means Russia is justified in conquering all of Europe - again, obviously just a veiled justification for imperial conquest.
>>2944354>out of your depth ITT you apparently don’t realise how mask offMy bongish friend, it's not that serious. I really can't fathom how you treat this shit like a full time job 24/7. You only have two modes, circlejerking about whatever pro-Russia slop from telegram, or throwing a bitch fit the second you detect someone who's not part of your circlejerk.
If this war ever ends, all the 40-50 year old something andloid addicts of this thread are going to need years of therapy lol.
>>2944357Oh okay so the whole aggro thing was projection also.
In the words of the late, great John Candy: “I like me”.
>>2944313Because of the war, which means this war weakened Russia and opened it to nato imperialism. Okay maybe that was a bad plan but I'm sure supporting the international fascists to divide the west won't eventually blow up in Russia's face
>>2944370They are not taking any diesel. Trump team forgot to prepare legislation for american companies to buy it so ships with disel are simply idling.
>>2944355>The entire NATO expansion argument can be shut down by merely reminding everyone Russia has nuclear weapons, ergo, NATO cannot attack itThey can and do by proxy via Ukraine, suicide drones simply wouldn’t be effective if they weren’t being launched on Russia’s borders and even then they have to utilise the bordering airspace of the Baltics for attacks in the north of Russia.
Nukes are something you use when you’ve already lost, a situation NATO is really pushing for by even dropping the plausible deniability of “Ukrainian” suicide drones (now openly mass produced within NATO) to also provide military jets, cruise missiles and written permission to use them against Russia directly.
It’s actually quite sad how much NAFOism depends on the same few takes that were unproven in 2022 but disproven multiple times since.
>>2944265low autism score asiatic muscovites have been pushing proud european nations into the anti-comintern pact. the jew is fucking up his own plans of creating a multiracial mutt wasteland at the expense of proud Evrqpa. fucking retards, we all know National-Socialist germany and italy et all are peaceful nations not in a resource crisis that can only be resolved under favorable terms to european capital by foreign conquest, be it in europe itself or outside of it. it's not like the premiere power in the premiere anticommunist bloc has been on a spree of foreign conquest and outright pillage of both newly conquered lands and supposed allies for many years by now. only low autism score asiatics see a consistent history of imperialism here. yes i am being intellectually honest and not a total fucking liar.
ussr has chemical weapons btw, do you really think peaceful anti-comintern nations would actually attack the soviet union? we just want to be left alone you frickin asiatic chud.
>>2944355does this man even know about minsk agreements and who has rejected them every single time? russian capital didn't even want fucking crimea, banks and mobile providers avoided it like the plague for many years
>The entire NATO expansion argument can be shut down by merely reminding everyone Russia has nuclear weapons, ergo, NATO cannot attack it, it doesnt matter how many countries join.
but yurop does have nuclear weapons and they are telling their own that they can supposedly win one lol
>You only have two modes, circlejerking about whatever pro-Russia slop from telegram, or throwing a bitch fit the second you detect someone who's not part of your circlejerk.
Still lmao’ing over this framing of myself having an opinion I can and do defend on a political forum. Guy is such a pussy kek
>>2944439just one more war crime and ukrainians will give up surely
>>2944265>NATO on its northern border..? No one will engage in combat north of Leningrad what are you saying? The airspace was already being used for drones and any kind of intervention would've also had Finland intervening and you'd still have the same scenario. Finland and Sweden were defacto already NATO so whatever, two countries with 10 million people and maybe 2 million able-bodied soldiers big deal
>>2944439Imagine getting bombed for five straight years by the self-proclaimed second strongest army in the world and still having enough electricity for your enemies to desperately post blackout statistics as some kind of victory. Absolutely historic levels of cope.
>>2944463>Finland and Sweden were defacto already NATONo, they were not. Also, you're a REALLY stupid, annoying NAFO shill. Fuck off.
>>2944355>Russia has nuclear weapons, ergo, NATO cannot attack itIsrael has nuclear weapons and that hasn't stopped Iran from attacking it, you fucking moron.
>>2944495>self-proclaimed second strongest armySource?
>>2944517No he's right. Nukes are not a forcefield that prevents attacks. Nukes only reliably prevent existential attacks. Anything non existential depends on game theory style calculations.
Ukraine is not an existential threat to Russia. NATO attacking Russia for the purpose of pushing it out of Ukraine is not an existential attack. Russia can simply leave Ukraine and attacks end. Russia is not going to end the world over Ukraine. So NATO attacking Russia is entirely on the cards.
>>2944557>NATO attacking Russia for the purpose of pushing it out of Ukraine is not an existential attack.As usual, there’s absolutely no reason to assume that NATO’s motivations are so noble. Even its mission statement of collective defence wouldn’t actually apply to Ukraine and therefore attacking Russia directly on behalf of Ukraine is not acting as a defensive pact. They’re after something and it’s something everyone could see when the West attacks the Middle East but suddenly become blind to with Russia.
>>2944503This is the "Ukraine attaked Kursk and didnt get nuked" tier argument. I believe at this point youre deliberately refusing to get the point so you can justify maintianing your position. Tldr its not an attack worth going nuclear over, that doesnt mean nuclear privilege doesnt exist and if you dont believe me I dare you to convince someome to test it.
>>2944633Literally yes you guys just murdered an entire village the amerisrael way
7% of GDP per year spent destroying their own demographic pyramid
>>2944635'you'? I didn't know I had the finger over the 'launch k-libr to Khmelnytskye' button. Gosh, I want to have one that says 'this button blasts bandero-nazis arses into smithereens from inside out' with sulfuric acid. In any case, let me repost the number of civilian casualties.
https://ukraine.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/2026-10/Ukraine%20-%20protection%20of%20civilians%20in%20armed%20conflict%20%28September%202026%29_ENG.pdfaccording to the UN.
Mind you, this report includes civilians killed by ukrainian forces, too.
If Russian wanted, these numbers would be in the millions by now.
In any case, let me quote you these super intelligent nafo/nato strategists about the low count of victims:
<Putin’s Bombers Could Devastate Ukraine But He’s Holding Back. Here’s Why (Newsweek)
(TL;DR: he's a weak cuck, wants to show strength but showed powerlessness)
<Russia’s coercive strategy aims for success through cumulative pressure rather than decisive shock.Oh did I forget to mention that you still masturbate thinking about nick fuentes?
>>2944655I think you missed a 0, in that % of GDP, for ukraine. 70% of GEDP per year
spent destroyed to kill your own demographic.
>>2944658Ukraine isn't the enemy, it's the enemy's woodchipper. You want to compare US/European share of GDP helping Ukraine, not Ukraine's irrelevant GDP.
Russia stuck its fingers into an American woodchipper and the best justification so far is that if they jam it up with enough bone and gloop then America… Won't be able to use Ukraine as a woodchipper that mulches up their future.
>>2944661More videos…
Apparently all the people held in that building in Kiev have been released. A national police official said that 'no one was held' illegally.
Rumors say, it's an azov prison.
>>2944661No ammount of nationalism can hide the bodies and prevent workers from asking "why war". Ukraine and Israel show this.
chudanov came out of his cave to say this:
>14 people were detained in Petropavlovsk Borshchagivtsi, - Budanovhttps://t.me/kievreal1/140111first video.
More of the incident.
>>2944667But some people no matter of price, bodies, death and misery of the people make them question the war. To them higher the cost is just an argument to keep going because stopping to anything but total victory would dishonor the already sacrificed for said victory. Also at least in Ukraine I have never believed that there has ever been wide popular support for this war over negotiated settlement and coexistence with Russia. The illusion of consensus has been achieved by ruthless repression of organized resistance to the war mainly bodies like SBU and paramilitary forces like Azov and disappearing people and sending wrong thinkers to fill the trenches.
>>2944663Where shell production?
>>2944679There’s a recent article by Events in Ukraine describing assassinations of Ukrainian wrongthinkers and knowingtoomuchers all over Europe and I’m actually surprised it’s not a more high profile news story.
Funny isn’t the word, but it’s certainly a thing that Ukraine seems to live up to all Western stereotypes for Russia, while Russia itself now has to be chastised as “disappointing” essentially, given how ruthless and savage decades of Russophobia would lead one to believe Russia is.
>>2944687Exactly what I'm saying, Ukrainians and Russians are the same, they should just make up at this point
>>2944687>Ukraine seems to live up to all Western stereotypes for RussiaThe single largest unifying thing with pro-Ukrainian propaganda is constant and systematic projection about Ukrainian and western faults to Russia. All the better if Russia is actually 'guilty' to any said accusation, but I guess the never cared much about that.
W-what do you mean my heckin wholesome neonazis had rape torture dungeons going on? no that can't be true I bet they were wholesome neonazi rape dungeons slava ukrani unlimited genocide on all subhuman russian orcs for the wellbeing of superior european white civilization (wholesomely)
>>2944690Ethnically perhaps, but ethnicity is made up bullshit anyway. Political organization and the division thereof is real - hence, this war has made Ukrainians more of a distinct group from Russians than ever before. Ukrainians are absolutely guaranteed to be generationally anti-Russian for the rest of the century at this point.
>>2944566Bullshit. If they really were that crazy, they'd have gone after North Korea already. But they don't, because they have nukes. They were never going to go after Russia itself, only Russia's neighbours. They wanted Russia isolated from the rest of Europe, primarily so the US could be Europe's sole dominator.
>>2944717Except we know and have known for years that Russia is their target and they mean to destroy it. They've said so repeatedly and you're carrying water for them by denying that.
>>2944737Behold the most nuclear armed country member of the UN security council with its victim complex. "they want to destroy russia!!" you drank the government koolaid bro, russia's rulling class was just too busy applying IMF restructuration reforms for 25 years while selling gas to an expanding NATO and then they killed hundreds of thousands of their proles in a failed war that in the end serves no purpose. Russia never has been that weak or threatened except in 1917 and again it's because of baffling incompetence from its tyrants but that might be a good thing if workers stop the cuck and finally rise up again over there.
>>2944747How much in hydrocarbons does North Korea have versus Russia?
>>2944737No, you're just an SVR agent who legally cannot concede the point. Your entire job to justify why it's always ok for Russia to conquer other countries. NATO was never - I repeat, NEVER - going to attack Russia. No one sane would dare invade a country with 6 thousand nukes and if you actually believe they're that crazy I'm writing you off because that's bullshit and you know its bullshit.
>>2944782>Military bloc expands to encompass most of Russia’s western borders >Now loads of cheap short range drones keep pouring over said boarders to attack Russian economic assets <NATO was never - I repeat, NEVER - going to attack Russia.How serendipitous for NATO that what became militarily possible via its expansion, simultaneously becomes necessary to exploit. Just such a fortunate coincidence that absolutely lifts any suspicion this was at all planned via expansion and creating a situation in Eastern Ukraine that Russia will obviously have an interest in resolving. I’m glad you’re here to protect the thread from state glowie narratives lmao
>>2944782>SVR agentmate, cool it with the nafoid remarks
>>2945018Russia's birthright is wherever russian soldiers set foot
i wonder how many secret torture chambers ukraine has for the disobedient citizens
>>2945141i'm wondering if running out of air defenses, having blackouts all the time and running out of men is making ukraine rely more on their network of torture chambers to maintain order on the plantation.
libs soon:
>but these are democratic torture chambers, not autocratic ones like russia probably has
Still no satisfying answer to what Russia gets out of this
>Their own resources get to be controlled by the national bourgeoisie instead of the international bourgeoisie!!
No natural resources are worth turning a chunk of your working age population into Ukrainian fertilizer for, let alone doing so in concurrence with bogging an even larger chunk down in the military, and pushing another million to leave, with a TFR below 2 and an inverted population pyramid. Just genuinely stupid.
>>2945144>libsRussia is liberal too, even if workers aren't allowed to strike and protest
>>2945156the post you reference makes no statement wether russia is liberal or not. idiot.
>>2945149Don't worry they are SEOing abortion out of yandex surely women will have more babies now
>>2945158Russian chauvinists are libs too just saying
>>2944702Lmao, like clockwork:
>>2945141 >>2945141from Bulgaria? with no evidence? just hearsays? rapporteur? (meaning, they get paid not by the UN, but by outside organizations grants)?
Gee, what a useless projection.
>>2944702Remove EU and US funding, and there won't anything else to unify. Haters can gather together, once they start to face hunger, they will start to killing each other, and cannibalize before doing anything meaningful.
The US knows it, and that's why they spent so much in south korea (above 90% of samsung's republic of korea was initially us economic aid, during the first years) and south vietnam (rest in piss).
I am voting blue today.
>>2945141whataboutism kek
>>2944661>>2944675>Ukrainians mobilized a stoma patientMaaaaan. He was shitting through his stomach, and they beat him up for not being eager to serve in the glorious ukrainska armiya
>>2944702Was always true for USSR as well, except back then they projected shit like Nazi Germany onto them. Say, gulags - never happened in USSR in the capacity it was used in propaganda, but was present in Germany before and after Nazis
>Nobody will ever convince me ukrops are a real nation. Pathetic subhuman country.
Most humanist zigger
>>2945402<everyone i don't like is le zigger< zigger? it's like uyghur, you see, they are basically disgusting blacks. How many years have you been at this? You will have to grow up some time you know.
>>2945304>deniesbudanov himself admitted
>>2944675 in a good Russian, that there was 14 people detained.
LMAO.
>>2945420Ah yes the fascist crocodile tears, classic
>>2945304by thw way, the woman who denounced that the place was a torture center with illegal detained individuals (women kneeling) apparently was arrested. mariana bezuglaya posted this framing the woman, part of the 'maidan for peace' as evidence.
Shifting the narrative as
foreign influence (Russian, of course), instead of opening criminal investigations against the military people involved in the center. Very notorious that kirilov chudanov himself approached to that place.
>>2944664>>2945445https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/molodaia-valentyna-vladymyrovna/jesus fucking christ, Valentyna is already in the myrotvorets kill list.
holly shit, fucking shit.
>>2945460
You need to take your meds.
>>2945029Fucking make me. Ive been yelling at Russians on chans for 12 years, I can spot SVR agents almost instantly.
>The house near Kiev where a secret prison was located was controlled by the 52nd International Assault Regiment of the National Guard of Ukraine (NGU), known as "Forge," which includes foreign nationals in its ranks.
>This was reported by the "Azov" 1st Corps of the National Guard.
Hot potato: No, it wasn't azov, not it wasn't national guard, no it wasn't gur, no it wasn't sbu.
it was no one's.
>>2944747>>2944782You're just nafoid scum really.
>>2945540Sorry but I didn't give NATO legitimacy to expand and time to rearm by failing an invasion and mossadly bombing schoolchildren and aid workers because of a stuck front, that would be putler
>Former Zelensky spokesperson Yuliia Mendel has been charged with treason in absentia
>The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) accuses her of
>“conducting information subversion against Ukraine” and “discrediting the country on the international stage.”
>Mendel has recently become known primarily for her repeated, sharp criticism of Zelensky and his regime. Recently, for example, she told the media that the “drug fuhrer” had “long been experiencing problems with his cognitive and analytical abilities” and called for an immediate de-escalation of the conflict with Russia.https://unn.ua/en/news/yuliia-mendel-has-been-notified-in-absentia-of-suspicion-of-high-treasonlmao, the european country with the highest volume of active in absentia criminal charges and trials strikes again.
>>2945589They do not care are about people dying but this hurts porkies because they are losing money.
>>2945540I haven't defended NATO once in this entire thread. Not once. But you have to believe I support NATO or your argument collapses, so of course that's what you always do. And I'm not interested in trying to convince you otherwise because I know that won't happen, which I'm also quite familiar with. There's no point in talking to Z gang Russians really, violence is the only thing you understand, you refuse to ever be persuaded of anything.
>>2944782NATO literally did invade Russia, they institued a fascist occupation of Kursk until Russia and DPRK kicked them out
>>2945719>There's no point in talking to Z gang RussiansThe funniest part is that none of these guys are Russian even. All from random countries, most of them NATO countries, who are randomly obsessed with this war. Just literally the mirror image of the NAFO clowns they're obsessed with.
>>2945472>12 years>2026 - 12 is 2014yup thats about it, mods ban this sbu financed retard
>>2945719>There's no point in talking to Z gang Russians really, violence is the only thing you understand, you refuse to ever be persuaded of anythingreddit
>>2945731i'm guessing a lot of people in nato countries are probably getting tired of being dragged into the abyss to keep propping up a collapsing totalitarian slave state. such numbers will just keeping growing from here.
>>2945916russian nazis fuck off
>>2945927>nato countries are probably getting tired of being dragged into the abyss to keep propping up a collapsing totalitarian slave stateapparently not since the nato german nazis of the AfD want to buy russian gas
>>2945634>>2945719Thanks for taking time off from kissing each other to prove me right
>>2945916>radicalThe very idea that radical leftism is welcome in Russia or would be better off under Russian guidance is so delusional I might have to reconsider whether you're actually a glowie or just dumb. Look at what has happened to the """"""Communist""""" Party in Russia, it's the fakest of fake opposition I've ever seen in my life. Radicalism is absolutely not tolerated in Russia, all Soviet nostalgiabait focuses purely on how great and powerful Russia was during the height of Soviet influence and never on the ideology because they explicitly do not want socialism to make a comeback. The state pushes fucking Tsarism and being a tradOrthodox sheep, literally the exact opposite of what people on this site claim to want (but often don't because they're really just anti-Western nativists who are actually fine with bourgeois rule so long as they're not foreigners).
With Dems in charge it's over for your ass ziggers
>🇺🇦 Picture the scene on the outskirts of Kiev tonight, where the commander of Ukraine’s National Guard, Oleksandr Pivnenko, stood outside a private house in Petropavlivska Borshchahivka facing a furious crowd of his own citizens and admitted that the men being dragged out of its basement were servicemen "caught after going AWOL and returned to their units", only hours after the police had sworn that reports of people being illegally held and tortured there "do not correspond to reality".
>When a medic was finally allowed through the door, he counted roughly 25 to 30 men crammed underground and came back out saying the people down there "don’t know who they are or what status they’re in", and four of them were carried to the ambulance crew, one in serious condition (but of course asking whether they were tortured is Russian disinfo right?), according to TSN and British Broadcasting Corporation Ukrainian. So in the space of a single evening the official story travelled from "nothing to see here" to "they were deserters anyway", which is how the Empire of Lies has always worked: deny first, then reclassify, and pray the cameras leave before the questions arrive. The amount of double standards and contempt the Western Mockingbird media has for Ukranians is sickening. At least pretend to do your damn jobs!
>Nobody has proven torture YET but the visuals are damning and the Kiev cartel has less than zero credibility. What is no longer in dispute is damning enough on its own: a private house, a hidden basement, men rounded up for walking away from a war they never voted for, and a puppet state perhaps on orders from Western Europe whose first reflex was to pretend none of them existed.
>The timing is almost theatrical, because this very weekend the Council of Europe solemnly marked Russia’s exit from the anti-torture convention on 1 November and, in the same breath, praised Kiev for letting inspectors visit "any place of deprivation of liberty within its territory at any moment", so the inspectors now have an address waiting for them on the edge of the capital, should anyone in Western Europe care to book the appointment.
>If this basement had been found in Belgorod it would already be on every front page from Lisbon to Helsinki, with a von der Liar statement before dinner and a fresh sanctions package by Wednesday, yet just outside Kiev’s ring road it becomes a "controversy", the people asking questions become "local residents", and everyone is gently reminded to "use only official sources". Nor does asking any of this make anyone a Kremlin bot, since these are Ukrainian men, filmed by Ukrainian citizens, in a Ukrainian suburb, demanding of a Ukrainian general "who gave you the right?"
>This is what fighting to the last Ukrainian looks like once the volunteers have run out and the kidnappers masquerading as recruiters have run out of patience, not on a front line drawn on a NATO briefing map but in a basement on the edge of Kiev, while the same Brussels priesthood that lectures the world about "European values" averts its eyes and signs the next cheque.
>So will the inspectors be knocking on that door this week, or do the European "values" stop at the border of whichever regime Brussels happens to be funding?https://x.com/IslanderWORLD/status/2117332064923959664 https://korybko.substack.com/p/germanys-attempted-takeover-of-polandGermany’s Attempted Takeover Of Poland By Proxy Is To Prepare Europe For War With Russia
>Just like Nazi Germany seized Czechoslovakia’s gold and its robust military-industrial complex in the run-up to World War II, so too is today’s Germany plotting to seize Poland’s gold and subordinate European NATO’s largest army to Berlin ahead of a possibly upcoming war with Russia by 2030.
>Polish conservative firebrand Dominik Tarczyński recently explained liberal Prime Minister Donald Tusk’s attempted judicial coup as being driven by him then wanting to seize control of the Central Bank, introduce the euro, and then finally transfer Poland’s gold to the European Central Bank (ECB) in Germany. As it turns out, Poland has the world’s 10th-largest gold reserves, and its 550 tonnes as of January were more than the ECB’s 506.5. The ECB would therefore more than double its reserves in that scenario.
>That’s a significant motivation for what was assessed here to be Germany’s attempted takeover of Poland by proxy through Tusk’s armed seizure of the Constitutional Tribunal with all that could follow. It could also at least temporarily rejuvenate the euro amidst the rapid militarization that most of its members, the vast majority of whom use the euro, are engaging in to prepare for war with Russia by 2030. The bloc’s de facto German leader is far ahead of everyone with a planned €800 billion program.
>Poland commands European NATO’s (E-NATO) largest military, and conservative President Karol Nawrocki is opposed to the EU’s “Security Action For Europe” (SAFE) loans that would also obligate that most of the equipment be purchased from the bloc’s members, not Poland’s American and Korean partners. He accordingly proposed the “Polish SAFE 0%” program for 185 billion zloty (~$46 billion), the equivalent of the loan that the EU is extending, which Tusk’s government agreed to despite Nawrocki’s disapproval.
>If the ongoing attempted German takeover of Poland by proxy succeeds, and Poland joins the euro prior to more than doubling the ECB’s reserves by transferring all of its gold there, then Germany could much more easily advance its plot of federalizing the EU with itself as the most dominant force therein. Coupled with the rapid militarization of the EU as a whole, with the largest army in E-NATO then subordinated to Germany, the 1941-like threat that Dmitry Medvedev warned about would materialize.
>The seizure of the Poland’s gold reserves is central to this scenario, ergo why Tusk is expected to support that through the introduction of the euro if his judicial coup succeeds, and there’s an historical precedent for his suspected German patron to pursue this policy that’s actually against Russia. Hitler seized Czechoslovakia’s gold reserves and its robust military-industrial complex in the immediate run-up to World War II, both of which were considered by historians to be indispensable to his war effort.
>Likewise, in the run-up to the EU’s possible clash with Russia by 2030, today’s Germany is attempting to seize Poland’s gold reserves and subordinate the largest army in E-NATO to Berlin in dual moves that would be indispensable in the aforesaid scenario. Unlike back then when Germany led the invasion of the USSR from the front, it might instead task its Polish subordinate with sending Poles to die in Ukraine for perpetuating the NATO-Russian proxy war there or starting another one after the latest conflict ends.
>Considering what’s at stake, namely the materialization of another 1941-like threat to Russia brought about by the German-dominated European Federation that could follow Berlin’s attempted takeover of Poland by proxy through Tusk’s judicial coup, Poland’s political crisis is of global significance. Its outcome could mean the difference between war and peace, without any exaggeration, since it’ll shape the post-war European order for years to come. >>2946390Please more garbage from Grzegorz Braun and Korwin-Mikke, multipolars
>>2945719Is EU a better imperialist than Russia? "At least countries under EU are rich", or something, yeah?
>>2945719This *is* a zero sum game, either Russia wins or NATO does. I would prefer the RF to have a revolution, and THEN continue the war on actually irreconcilable terms. Yelling "No war but class war" in slogans, did not stop most of Europe trying to kill the Russian revolution. It was PR, good PR.
But eventually, the red army had to finish the job.
>>2946837we need to accelerate russian federation decline
>>2946850we'll get right on that just after ukraine is defeated and all its current leaders are executed
>>2946858I propose a peace summit where russian and ukrainian leadership meet at the pickaxe mountain
>>2945719>But you have to believe I support NATO or your argument collapsesI’m afraid that’s a case of projection most foul.
>>2945731И чё? What nationality would be acceptable for being anti-NATO then?
Someone call the mods, the anti-NATOism is coming from people within NATO, I don’t bloody think Lenin would approve!
>>2946904Many have to use proxies since Roskomnadzor blocks even the smallest websites
>>2946918They don't, they block non-compliant western sites such as cloudflare or google, hence small websites get banned by the way. And there are two modes of blocking, normal and whitelist (when there is drone/missile danger) - under normal, all you need is a program like zapret which distorts html requests, and whether or not you can access a website is entirely up to website's own policies
>>2946918Right so the answer is no nationality would be acceptable. If you’re from NATOpia then you’re a Russia simp, else you’re from Russia and a bot and/or SVR agent.
I petition the mods to word filter “Anti-Campist” since that really is a meme lmao
>>2946936So essentially 99% of forums and imageboards are banned because of cloudflare. You can bypass and browse but you can never posts because of anti-spam and other filters so you have to use proxy.
revolutionary defeatism does not only apply to russia, pseudo-left NAFO cockroaches
thus, american and euro leftists can only be revolutionary defeatists by supporting the defeat of Ukraine.
Russian leftists must support the defeat of Russia (which they overwhelmingly do on the russian pol here, in start contrast with usapol and EUpol, who are full ukronazis)
>>2946953I'm posting here, though? And on reddit, and wherever. VPN sellers are scammers, every last one of them, because there are free alternatives that are working just as fine or better than VPNs
>>2946965>free alternatives name em
>>2946390kek, i wish that was the prelude to federalization rather than standard looting of the polish economy. the choice is between sucking german cock or sucking american cock, what a wonderful country
>>2946390>liberal vs. reactoid power struggle inside Poland >mimimimimi Germany something somethingt. PiSS reactoids
>mimimimimi Russia something somethingt. POop liberals
Everytime.
PiSS ran Butthurtland for like a decade and installed loyalists in all relevant institutions over there, now POop wants to get rid of them and install their own loyalists, so the fashoid amateur boxer PiSS president literally boxes his way into some institution in order to keep his buddies in. Both sides call it a coup.
PiSS could have exited the EU during their reign and created a STRONK Rezcezskzckszczszkdingens Union with other butthurt belters, alas these reactoid fucks didn't even attempt to leave the EU. Because both PiSS and POop prefer to remain the biggest receivers of German tax money via Brussels while yelling hurrdurr POLAND RICH, POLAND STRONK.
>>2946837>I would prefer the RF to have a revolutionlmao revolution by whom? russians are the most servile people imaginable
literal bugmen, no revolutionary potential at all
>>2947130Meh, I would say the fact that the ruling class there is shitting itself so much they have to systematically rig the elections, make strikes and protests illegal, kill journalists, chase down internet posters criticizing the tsar or the war etc. is mirroring the insurrectionary potential of the masses. Authoritarianism betrays weakness, you can see this process happening in the west also where the proles rise up a little too much.
>>2947130>>2947149>Russians are servile!>No, they’re authoritarian!<300 threads of Westoids and Butthurt Belters having a multi-year meltdown over one English-language thread on the internet that doesn’t talk about Russians as subhuman bugmen.So much irony that we needn’t worry about the thread ever becoming anemic.
>>2947149>ruling class there is shitting itself so much they have to systematically rig the electionsNobody's rigging anything. Duma is pointless, it can't even order the state to redistribute taxes differently, so instead it's just doing votes on culture war nonsense.
>make strikes and protests illegalThey don't, though? Propensity of "strikers" and protesters to try and start a Maidan calls onto them heavy respunses. Every fucking time protesters and strikers instead break the law, put their followers into prisons, and then cry about what you are saying - that strikes and protests are banned.
>kill journalistsLolwut. Imagine journos pulling shit like previous paragraph all the time - what do you think, do they get a lot of enemies out of their former friends? Then they get killed by the people they wronged
>chase down internet posters criticizing the tsar or the war etc1) No, they are very fucking liberal, they tolerate shitters through whole war
2) When they actually snap, it's either direct support for the enemy or calls for terrorism
0/4 correct takes on Russia. You are a retard operating off NAFOid propaganda
>>2947225They really are all class lmao
>>2947149it's just not going to happen
>>2947193>the ((((workers)))) broke the heckin bourgeois law when they did the strikeI take back what I said, it seems Russians are indeed servile
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