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This thread is for discussion of the 2021 Peruvian Election. Looks like it's keeps beign a close one, and either one could win this. The Peruvian Left has gone far, however, and has united under a pretty based candidate. Let's watch
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>>17188Do you think Gonzalo would reject Castillo?
Are the shining path against him? I see no practical reasons for SP to be against someone who would possibly create better conditions and be able to create strategy, do social investigation etc… for a peoples war without getting fucked by the fujimori's
>>17212this is a betting site lol
you pay x cents a pice and if you win they pay 1 buck a pice
>>17227It's a sacrifice for poor communities to pay for education, each pencil is a skipped meal for the mothers and fathers to ensure education for their children.
>>17222lmao
>>17177>>17177HE STABBED 3 GUSANOS
WITH A FUCKING LAPIZ
>>17269The boats better not sink by "Accident"
Or the planes crash by "Accident"
>>17278Nah i can't read for some reason
56k
>>17290votes of peruan nationals that live in foreign countries
you go to the embassy and vote
>>17296Ayacucho, Loreto and Madre de Dios are sill below 90%
>>17299Hum, depends on how you play your cards. That is why it has been repeated time and time that the mobilization of the people will be needed to change the constitution and back a left who doesn't control congress.
There are some mechanism, referendums that take time but could give great outcomes.
>>17192At this point what's being grasped for is anti-imperialism, and these countries are going left-socdem at best. But that's not a huge issue. Cuba was originally a socdem movement, but imperialist conditions forced them to where they are.
Mexico, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Peru, Chile, Argentina, Cuba and Bolivia may well form a coalition. May be some I missed. Brazil looks good for Lula
now but in my view it's too early to say.
transhumanismTranshumanism >>17319Dude, Neoliberals are exactly like that.
Have you never heard of the "global poverty reduction" myth they like to peddle?
>>17342Because he would rather avoid garnering any attention or support to third world movements that are explicitly socialist to appease said optics that are propagated by the neoliberal elites to divide Communists.
He is explicitly third worldist and pandering to first world idpol is exactly the opposite of what his stated ideology is.
>>17410his face, the way he is holding the phone and everything going on in the background going on.
funny af photo.
>>17410>>17360 He did it twice in the same thread.
Impressive.
sandinistaSandinista >>17419Getting better, also Italy is out of the picture.
Spain must be next.
sandinistaSandinista >>17432Can someone explain to me why a national election is taking place all around the world and not in the nation itself. Now do give me a bullshit explanation, in the US people vote overseas by mail in voting, that simple.
But for some reason Peru allows other nations citizens to vote in a national election?
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>>17474Johnny Silverhand before nuking up Arasaka HQ
kek
>>17497One of the most famous Soviet Socialist fiction literature called:
How The Steel Was Tempered
Socialist fiction from Peru:
How The Pencil Was Sharpened ✏️
>>17241Lo más precioso que posee el hombre es la vida, Se le da una sola vez.
Y debe usarlo para que cuando muera pueda decir: He dedicado toda mi vida, toda mi fuerza, a la causa más gloriosa del mundo, la liberación de la humanidad.
>>17533>screencapping yourselfyeesh
Is it still up? >>300000
>>17562150k at the very least.
200k for a cushy win
sandinistaSandinista >>17572FUCKEN BASTE
>>17570CHECKED
>>17554FUUUUCK
>>17592If I had the image of the wojack criying while the pepe servants smiled while seeing a TV I would post it.
Yeah, I have seen this reaction from rightwing fellas who were surprised by Castillo in the first round. In the second they have been more quiet in my experience.
>>17594That hasn't always been so and it isn't always so today either. West Virginia and Appalachia at large used to be a hotbed of labor organization, I found my grandma's writings about her family who were coal workers, there's religious messaging in there but references to company stores and things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfp2O9ADwGk>basically like thisRural areas in the US used to be more aligned to progressive movements and parties, you had these parties form out of farmers trying to stop rail monopolies for example.
This isn't even to speak of the poorest mostly black areas of the country.
transhumanismTranshumanism >>17620now, Peru
next year, Brazil
then, the continent
after that, the World
>>17620>Lava Jato crime cliqueDude, you are merging the peruvian experience with the brazilian or the venezuelan one.
Here in Peru the Lava Jato trials will continue, now with more intensity, since the one who the bucket full of shit fell on was Keiko. Kek
That why there was this motivation/half-joke about voting for Castillo to defend the lives of the prosecutor Domingo Perez
who seeing the fate of Moro in Brazil, or maybe common sense doesn't get in the media or politics too much Can we find polling about Peruvian-Americans to extrapolate how this might split?
https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/fact-sheet/u-s-hispanics-facts-on-peruvian-origin-latinos/I found this.
"Looking at full-time, year-round workers, U.S. Hispanics earned less than Peruvians ($34,000 vs. $40,000)."
"The rate of homeownership among U.S. Hispanics is 47% compared with 51% for Peruvians."
"The median age of U.S. Hispanics (29) is lower than that of Peruvians (38) and the U.S. population (38)."
"Similarly, 64% of Hispanic adults are English proficient, as are 58% of Peruvian adults."
So we can extrapolate that Peruvians are older, (slightly) higher income, and (slightly) less likely to be proficient in English.
transhumanismTranshumanism>>17628Probably some liberal who thinks they are voting for her begrudgingly.
>>17630Keep in mind that these are averages. We know Ms. Fufufufufu will have an advantage, it's just a question of: how much?
transhumanismTranshumanism Hey, I've been looking at some comments on r/peru and I found something pretty interesting, in this thread they're talking about what to do if Castillo wins and some of them are saying how while Castillo is bad for the country, they still believe he won't be dangerous (or too dangerous), however they talk about this guy Vladimir Cerron. I know nothing about this guy (he's also from Peru Libre, that's all I know) and mention how if Castillo wins, they believe in a potential scenario where Cerron could coup Castillo through the party itself and take control. According to them if that happens then it's all over, Peru goes full communist and the guy never leaves power.
So any peruanons, who is this Cerron guy? Why is he so scary to the keikofags, and do you believe he would do something like this if Castillo wins? Here's the reddit thread btw
https://www.reddit.com/r/PERU/comments/nuhyzd/castillo_gana/>>17637Lmaooooo, actually true
It's her turn
>>17646>>17640Don't take the hopium.
It's soon, it's too fucking soon.
sandinistaSandinista >>17652If you've ever seen Michael Tracey's gradual brainrot I think that may be the road he ends up taking as well.
>>17627https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2010/12/alberto-fujimori-peru-daughter-president.htmlI found this from 2010 when Fujimori apparently ran another time.
"Keiko Fujimori holds a business master's degree from Columbia University in New York and has already campaigned among Peruvian Americans in New Jersey."
I wonder, how did Peruvian-Americans split in previous elections she ran in?
transhumanismTranshumanism >>17654Pretty much this, he is a founder of Peru Libre and it's leader,neurosurgeon trained in Cuba, governor of the central province of Junin and an ML from head to toes.
If you speak spánish you could watch this video
>>17672i read on the spanish wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt but they're pretty much market socialist.
I mean it would be pretty delusional to think being elected will lead to a command economy. Castillo isnt going to be the next Lenin but he could be a good stepping stone for further left politics and the anti-imperialist politics will be essential if one is to think imperialism is the primary contradiction.
>>17187Three reasons for the silence.
1. due to complex personal issues. Some of Jason's closest friends are Jewish and because of that he has a disproportionately strong response to Anti-Semitism. He's worried about some of the anti-zionist/anti jewish signalling as well as far right support for Castillo (/pol/ for instance seems roughly divided 50/50). This is largely an emotional reaction related to his sense of personal loyalty to friends.
2. Jason is shit poor and unfortunately dependent on the channel for the meager, shitty income it gives him. If MSM start going hard pushing anti-semite narrative against Castillo it could result in Jason's channel or social media accounts going down. Youtube have been looking for excuses to fuck with him for a while, and accusations of antisemitism will get a channel brought down very quickly.
3. Jason is weary from past harassment campaigns against him and he knows damn well social media attention whores and narcissists will use ANY statement of support for Castillo to harass Jason, label him an anti-semite red-brown nazbol vortex literally hitler and just generally cause trouble for him.
>>17358What exactly could Jason and his very small viewer base actually do to help Castillo? I think you massively overestimate Jason's influence - he's put out videos before for fundraisers, etc, and been unable to raise a single dollar. Even if any significant number of people backed him, what could he really do? If you've got any ideas, tell me and I'll put them to him myself.
jucheJuche >>17685Where are you pulling the antisemitism thing? I haven't even seen this smear against Castillo whatsoever. Is it a thing?
I noticed they tried this smear against uh, that one communist guy from Chile who's running. I forget his name. And a bunch of Jewish academics wrote a letter supporting him, saying criticism of Israel isn't antisemitism. So that was funny.
transhumanismTranshumanism >>17664Yeah I made a meme remix of Peruvian right-wing TV fearmongering about the pencils being a Cuban revolutionary thing (but with the Hell March from Command and Conquer), but it's interesting because they show images of teachers I'm assuming from Junin a couple years ago doing the ML-style cadre march with the pencils, and Cuba is probably where Cerron got the idea from.
My Spanish isn't good but the sense I got is that the rightists are claiming that Cerron is "pulling the strings" behind the "stupid cowboy redneck guy" to trick the masses into making Peru gommunist.
>>17672I dunno. There has been mixed reporting in the American business press about him. The WSJ editorials have just fearmongered about gommies, but Bloomberg did some pieces where they're trying to figure out what he might actually do:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-15/peru-candidate-seeks-bigger-cut-from-mining-not-state-controlhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-17/a-push-to-tax-the-copper-boom-is-spreading-from-chile-to-peru>>17691Yep. Short of full nationalization (although I wonder if they would go for it, if they feel like they could do it), but like Bolivia where the state raises taxes and royalties and leans on these companies involved in resource extraction to renegotiate the contracts, so the state gets a better deal, and the proceeds are then plowed into infrastructure, social services, schools, parks – i.e. stuff people like.
The other part of this is to capture windfalls profits from rising commodity prices. See the price of copper on this chart? They're at an all-time high. Peru is one the top copper exporters in the world, and capital profits from the extraction and sale of the copper on the world market while the common Peruvian people don't.
>>17672More or less something between the bolivian model and if the neolib constitution permits (or until a new one is called and drafted) "Popular economy with markets" aka. Socialism with Namibian characteristics kek.
>>17683Now the test is how much of this can pass through congress. That's why people on the left I have seen focused so much on the bolivian model.
>>17695can you upload the pencil march to youtube
>>17697Yep, I forgot he has Palestinian Christian ancestry but I bet that's a part of it.
transhumanismTranshumanism >>17692I don't believe he is antisemitic, although he's made references to international zionism and used caricatures of Jewish bankers in propaganda, etc. /pol/ as I said is 50/50 on board with him and they seem convinced that he hates Jews.
Jason is paranoid about how this could pan out, whether it could create friction between close friends & whether it could be used to attack him/his channel, because even if the accusations are baseless the zionist lobby & right-wing broadly are making a game of accusing leftists of being antisemites, ie see Jeremy Corbyn. This will be a major theme of anti-Castillo propaganda assuming he doesn't cuck out, and you can guaranteei radlibs will go hard on labelling us as jew haters.
jucheJuche >>17693He was better than Mendoza or Goyo in the elections of 2016. And he resigned to follow since he wasn't rising in polls (and to get Mendoza some traction of course)
>>17699That is why antiimperialism can be still a great tool to differiantiate even socdems. What is the difference between Costa Rica (socdems close to Washington) and Nicaragua (socdems away from it) show? Which one should be supported? Specially taking away Lima from the Lima Group kek.
>>17701His main party is Marxist, Peru Libre is self-declared Marxist, and the whole communist factions in Peru support him.
COPE.
>>17634Looks like he used up his entire reserve of basedness with the Car Wash shit.
>>17620Speaking of which, Moro is pretty much in political asylum in Murka already. He moved there months ago for his current job (consultant for one of the companies he helped ruin wew) and odds are he will never risk coming back. Some dipshits still clung to him as a possible third way between Bozo and Lula, but he already said he won't run in 2022. At least he has the decency of stayng out of this shitshow he helped create, unlike the Keikos of the world. The Car Wash crew had always been different from the usual reactoid scum tbh, the scale of their crime is immense but on an individual level they're decent people.
>>17713>the actual communistsI hope you don't say gonzalites.
I FUCKING HOPE YOU DON'T
>>17713Ahhhh, so the Gonzaloite anon has returned without the flag.
Careful with this sectarian anons.
>>17723kek, I knew it.
COPE harder, you fucking ultra.
>>17735I am not even maoist, but that's delusional lmao
We have two trolls in the thread: The one liberal and the gonzalite.
>>17748how much time do we have to endure reformism until socialism actually happens. Whatever happened to revolution?
I support Castillo but I think it is healthy to have skepticism towards how successful his presidency is. This is the time to build dual power and force them to take anti-imperialist positions. Castillo will have to a be a tool for the masses and not cuck out like in Ecuador
>>17720You might think you're being paranoid, but it wouldn't surprise me. Whatever value existed there (if there was any) is dead now, so eh why bother, but just browsing it off and on recently, I would notice threads pop up claiming glowies have taken it over and they're deleting any mention of it, and then those threads would disappear. Or threads veering toward discussions about U.S. roles in various plots up and vanishing. I mean, who knows, but it sets off my alarm.
>>17741You have been dooming from day one. Have some faith.
>>17742I realize abortion is illegal in Peru and it's a socially conservative country. But you don't have to extend that to a universal principle which everyone in the world has to follow. It's a very weird thing for self-proclaimed Marxists to demand, but that's why they call it a cargo cult.
>>17748>>17749I think the position I took earlier really is the correct one. Castillo isn't a communist, but that's okay, neither was the Cuban Revolution.
What truly matters is outcome. And in Latin America, social democracy is too left-wing for the imperialist powers. So there will be pressure. Likely sanctions. The whole drill.
transhumanismTranshumanism >>17749…
That is the point I have been doing in all of these threads.
The party (which is leftist, and marxist, and leninist) knows that they don't have it easy, and it is of the upmost importance that they develop and give strength of the unions, the 3 coops that still exist from Velasco, workers,etc.
It has been pointed out in interviews (sadly I can't remember one exactly, I don't think is in the one I posted).
What Peru Libre has promised firstly is that the pandemia will be controlled, vaccination and hospital beds in the worst hit country in the world.
Secondly, not forgetting the economy, this will need a vaccinated population and a state with more power to tax the rich and renegotiate treaties and contracts for the national resources.
Economy and health are in the pinacle of importance and they deserve the attention of the state, party and people.
>>17749During the Cold War, when a socialist ever got to power, whether it be through election, coup, revolution etc. the USSR would immediately dispatch experts, material, weapons, funds, etc. to help them to construct socialism and to defend them via nuclear deterrence. This is not a situation we have anymore, fragmented socialist-leaning countries must make concessions to survive, politically, economically and militarily. Sure, China will trade with you but they have a policy of non-interventionism. Unless we have a huge country like Brazil, India or Russia undergroing a quasi-Bolshevik revolution, we have to make conecessions.
>>17751Don't bring the idpol question.
It has been responded (even by hecking rancidenchilada).
If the LGBT friendly socdem option was more popular, the second round would have been Mendoza vs Keiko.
But it was Castillo vs Keiko. Sad for the collectives and their rightfull search of rights but they have compromises of not getting a worse hand that the one they have right now.
>>17759Peru greatest trade partner is China. State companies control various mines, energy companies,etc.
I hope everything goes in good terms it results in cooperation and development.
>>303669>>17763>>17773….
Don't be so obssesed
>>17768It's incredibly chauvinistic. Highest (confirmed) mortality rate from COVID in the world. You can just send this
>>17776 to them to quiet them down though. But ultimately it doesn't matter because it's not up to Vaush's fanbase. The decision is up to Peruvians.
>>17771It's all very performative. Like he has to start out saying "fuck the FBI!" with a lot of bombast (as if that means anything) and then immediately shifts to critical support for our cops.
>>17777based hertzfeldt poster
also just read last thread, CTRL+F "symbolism"
>>17794She still can do it technically
>>17796We shall wait and see
sandinistaSandinista >>17785No you retard.
We seriously need a thread to explain Castillo.
>>17830You're underestimating Burger vote impact.
No one is safe from that unless Pedro gets to a 150k lead at least.
sandinistaSandinista Lead is getting bigger.Pencil: 8,552,117
Kek'd: 8,459, 997
Found a live election results update stream of the election:
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/NewsHeadlines >>17801Gonzalo has been in jail since 1992 boy
Shining Path has been irrelevant for over 2 decades at this point
Stop being so white, you fat American cunt
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