No.539393
WGYYXRNV
YOU SUBHUMAN UYGHUR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND YOU ARE A FUCKIGN AGRESSOR MURDERER YOU PIECE OF FUKGAIPJT FIGLTYJH
YOU A RE A SUBHUMAN SUBHUMAN SUBHUMAN
WOW WOW WOW NATO BAD SO NUKE NATO STATES
LETS LET FUCKING PSYCHO MURDERERS OF CHECHNYA GO INTO URBAN CENTERS
LETS USE PHJSOPHORUS BOMSB
LETS FUCKING DEMAND PEOPLE TO TAKE OUT THERIR OWN GOVERNMENT JUST SO YOU WOULD STOP COKMITING WAR CRIMES ON THEM
BECAUSE NATO IS PURE EVIL AND ANYTHIGN AGAINST IT IS PURE GOOD
EVEN WHILE THE HUMAN FILTH PUTIN SENDS MURDERERS TO STOMP OUT REAL SOCIALISTS REVOLUTIONS IN CSTO STATES
WHILE SUPPORTING MURDERERS LIKE KADYROV WHO ARE NO BETTER THAN COLOMBIAN REGIME
ALL BECAUSE YOU LISTENED TO AN AUTISTIC GINGER RETARD WHO READ OUTDATED SHITTY SOVIET PAMPHLETS AND NEVER READ A BOOK IN HIS LIFE SAID DUGHH AZOV NADZIES XDDDD
BECAUSE NATO IS BIG EMPIRE AND RUSSIA IS A SMOL WANNA BE EMPIRE
BECASUE BIG EMPIRE BAD
FUCK YOU RETARD
KILL YOURSELF
No.539395
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No.539396
i support china and russia over nato
No.539397
>>539394baltic states are next, litvinoid
No.539399
>>539394Die in your sleep
No.539400
Daily reminder that ONLY LIBERALS CAN HAVE NUANCED POSITIONS. Anti-nato? Pfft. Tankie.
No.539404
>>539403You mean tomgirls
No.539406
https://t.me/intelslava/21068Why Zelensky so desperate? On twitter everyone is saying that ukraine is winning.
No.539407
>>539393>ALL BECAUSE YOU LISTENED TO AN AUTISTIC GINGER RETARDkek is this a reference to Maupin?
>DUGHH AZOV NADZIES XDDDDyour post was kinda based until you said this
No.539408
>>539393>REAL SOCIALISTS REVOLUTIONS?
No.539409
>>539403>>539404Which is it???????
No.539410
Let’s beat NATO by giving more money to the MIC for we can go to war and eventually beat NATO.
No.539411
>>539409We will never know.
No.539412
Hear me out.
I was an enthusiastic lurker / enjoyer of leftypol since 5 months ago, but something has deeply changed since. I thought "we" as supposed "leftists" would be on the side of the oppressed as opposed to the oppressee, and now I come back to my BELOVED site, and I see 80% of the posters here defend a dictator like Putin.
What is wrong with you?
I had enough with this pollution. I am, and will be, always against anti-human shit, and you can suck my cock if you support unethical Russia in this conflict.
If this is what "leftism" means to you than I disown "leftism," and will ascribe to "liberalism" from now on, exactly because that ideology at least respects human rights and self-determination, as opposed to you, self-proclaimed "leftists."
No.539413
>>539398all of this post is based no complaints. Its just a shame about his takes on 3D printed guns which are of the opinion haver variety
No.539414
There are people here who think that people can actually criticize what the US government is doing right now like that naive as fuck succdem poster.
You can only posthumously criticize the US government and say "WEll I never really believed!" But we all know what you fucking post. We all know that you went towards NATO in the end. Stop lying and just call yourself a lib. It'll be easier for you that way. Do what stupidpol and redscarepodcast is doing and cast away your marxist label. Or even your social democrat ones.
No.539415
>>539409Search inside your heart and you'll know.
No.539416
>>539412ok faggot no one cares
No.539417
>>539392See the problem is the Putinoids don't get that Ukranians that side with NATO are
worthy victims' and those who side against it are
unworthy victims.
Ugh, you cheer when I say so and you jeer when you are told to!
Gosh, you are SO hard to work with, lefties! No.539418
If you don't support Russia you automatically support NATO , there's no way around it!
No.539419
>>539412>that ideology at least respects human rights and self-determinationlulz
No.539421
>>539414>Stop lying and just call yourself a libchange the fucking record, put on some Phil Collins.
No.539422
>>539401most based thing i've ever seen
No.539423
>>539412you sound like a fag
No.539425
>>539412Peace supporters are NATO supporters, because peace means status quo and status quo means OTAN.
No.539426
>>539412a false flag more obvious than… i dunno, that car that blew up in donetsk or the other one or i don't fucking care
No.539427
>>539394And don't come back. Next time, you should just stay in Reddit.
No.539429
>>539428>Paracetamol.But doctor, I don't feel pain, why give me this?
No.539431
>>539395I want to touch your Canadian cock
No.539433
>>539421You're the one who said that russians are soulless hylics while ONLY WESTERNERS CAN HAVE TRUE MINDS last thread faggot. How about you change the script.
No.539434
>>539433there's more than one rose flag poster, i'm the one who wants to fuck the dead plane
No.539436
>>539434ah nevermind then. Based plane fucker.
No.539438
New rule:
Americans can't give their opinion on any of this if they don't apologize for having enabled their genocidal government by being shit at building a coherent left that doesn't cheer on for NATO "defensive and genocide preventing" carpet bombing.
No.539439
>>539412we are communist, not hippies
the fight for interests is a reality and no matter how many hearts you draw on the walls, they will continue to exist.
No.539442
>>539412This, but unironically
No.539444
im a sussy sabo
No.539445
>>539412Calling Putin a dictator is worse for leftism. This is as someone who’s not a retarded Putinoid. Calling Putin a dictator serves the liberal establishment in justifying the social-economic political system of a nation. Like for example Nazi Germanys social economic system was no different than what one would call a modern neoliberal economy before neoliberalism. This is why liberals are able to get away with fascism without being directly politically identified as such.
No.539450
>>539443Just got an Erection without Organs.
No.539454
>>539450erection without orgasm
No.539455
>>539434There are at least three of us now? DemSoc gang uprising when?
No.539457
>>539449hope the Russia expansion doesnt get cancelled
No.539458
>>539449same shit happened for space engineers
yfw libs will push this shit on you hard so you have to either agree with them or chimp out and be branded a saboteur
No.539462
>>539455nooo someone stop them these crazy radicals are about to go vote bernie!
No.539465
>>539405This sure couls use an actual list.
No.539468
>>539448>another is a gay-type saboteurI heard that's why they always pants them before they tie them up. So they can finger them a little. If the look like they're enjoying it too much, then they give them a firm spanking.
No.539472
>>539448looks like a
treehugger to me
No.539473
>>539465yfw it will be dismissed as propaganda like that image with a list attached did on reddit lmao
No.539474
>>539469How much does a tank cost?
No.539477
>>539474Less than the humiliation of this logistics fuck suck and Chuck SNEED festival.
No.539478
I'm starting to think the hohol casualty numbers now come from saboteurs lmao
No.539479
>>539471i wonder if we'll ever get to the point where libs figure out that this is video evidence of actual atrocities on what are most likely ukrainian civilians that whatever nazi on patrol was just not particularly fond of
No.539480
>>539449>>539457I was expecting an Ukraine expansion announcement tbh.
It sucks that you won't be able to go from Romania to Russia.
No.539482
>>539474Abandoned Ukrop tanks are free. Did Cuckraine achieve gomunism after all, comrades?
No.539483
>>539465yea, but i'm just reposting
No.539485
>>539456Didnt it turn out the driver was a ukrop?
No.539486
>>539412> will ascribe to "liberalism" from now on, exactly because that ideology at least respects human rights and self-determinationYou have no fucking idea how much Ukrainians have suffered in the last 30 years, all in the name of transition to "liberal democracy". Human trafficking and sex slaves is the result of your "liberalism".
No.539488
/leftypol BTFOZ tanks were never destroyed
They were literally edited in videos
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1498412232459403264 No.539489
>>804124
brave and stunning my fellow liberal.
No.539490
>>539439>confusing being a nihilist with being a pragmatistNo, you don't have to "pick a side" when both Nato and Putin would gladly eat you alive if it meant their bank accounts got fatter
No.539491
>>539471SABOTEURS ARE NOW USING PIZZA TO ATTACK UKRAINIAN PATRIOTS WITH REALLY HOT CHEESE.
Oh fuck not really funny that guy at the end wtf
No.539493
>>539474Three Hundred and Fifty
No.539494
I feel like the azov shit has caused pro-Ukraine shit to dwindle a bit tbh but that might just be me.
No.539495
>>539471are those cardboard boxes in the vans? what's even in them?
No.539496
>>539487He’s kind of hot body wise I won’t lie
No.539498
SABOTEUR poster anon here.
Basically I'm the one who has been posting these "saboteur" videos & pics for the last 5-7 threads. As far as I can tell the nazi ukro posters became less inclined lately to post boastingly their supposed "saboteurs" because of social-media counter-flack.
People have been outraged at this shit for good reasons. What can you do? Well,
MAKE SURE TO EMPHASIZE THE ABSOLUTE BARBARIAN QUALITY OF THE UKRANIAN SIDE WHEN IT COMES TO TREATING TOTALLY RANDOM PEOPLE – AND THEN CONTRAST IT TO THE RUSSIAN MILITARY DETAINING UKROPS WITHOUT A SCAR ON THEIR FACES
that is all….
jesus!
No.539499
>>539488wtf no… i will personally hang zelensky for lying to us… this cant be happening… our government wouldnt stab us in the back like that…
No.539500
>>539486Ah because human trafficking never happens except in liberal societies.
No.539501
>>539494i guess the MoD calling muslims orcs and the Sussy saboteurssy shit.
No.539502
>>539498this lol, ukrops put up actual war atrocities on twitter and hope libs will cheer for them. some actually do, but its our job to attack their conscience and limit the disinfo
No.539503
>>539442sabo(cat) fuck off
No.539507
Anons serious question does are position change? We are to organize, agitate, and educate to do the best praxis we can. Quite honestly this narrative on multipolarity, shows a fundamental lack of believe in dialectical materialism. Anons will capitalism collapse from its own contradictions or not? The narrative that
the end of history, hegemonic imperialism, from NATO, needs* inter-imperialist great power conflict. The decay of capitalism, how it eats itself to destroy capital, does lead us to the natural conclusion of the effect of multipolarity.
let's say though that NATO kicks the ass of the Russian Chinese alliance, the contradictions of capitalism will cause it's Demise either way. The effects of the crisis's of capital won't be pushed off by hegemonic imperialist power. If NATO owned the world they would over extend themselves in conflicts in the global south. Capitalist need War it's in the being of capitalism.
TLDR? quite being so invested in the character of the imperialist. Either hegemonic or multi-polar the dialectics will catch up with Capitalism we have to be there to fruit from its results. The fight doesn't change you have no bet at stakes here.
No.539509
>>539494I see something else in my country: people were first mentioning just Azov, how it's all about removing the nazis, etc. Now they've stopped talking about Azov, and instead attack NATO and EU.
No.539513
>>539498>AND THEN CONTRAST IT TO THE RUSSIAN MILITARY DETAINING UKROPS WITHOUT A SCAR ON THEIR FACESFucking how? Russians have been showing almost nothing so far.
No.539514
>>539507pretty good analysis anon. miles better than the typical
>nooo you have to pick a sidewe've so far in these threads
No.539515
>>539507ye but ur dur west bad rt told me so.
No.539516
>>539498Good work
>>539507Dialectics are clearly in motion and the shift to a multipolar global mode of production enables fractal political evolution in border regions as the competition between east and west becomes localized in contentious regions. I.e. this is still good
No.539518
>>539487Next president of Ukraine.
No.539519
>>539511only the cringe soyjack lib dies of radiation poisoning
No.539520
>>539510Pretty funny how a good chunk of these people were probably either 1) anti chaz or 2) pro defunding the police.
No.539521
This saboteur shit has to be the most cringy meme to ever come from this place, can we at least keep going with the ukrainian avengers shit? at least that was funny.
No.539522
>>539511That's good advice. Stray teeth good hurt someone's eye.
No.539523
>>539484How much you wanna bet all these videos are just mostly Ukrainian opportunist marauders and criminals and then state is just spinning it as “resistance vigilantism”.
No.539524
>>539512based anti car aktion
now do it for all lanes
No.539525
>>539487 does anyone have that Russian music video with the Dolphin and the female porn stars
No.539526
>>539521That's pretty sus anon.
No.539527
After fierce fighting, the city of Vasilkov in the Kiev region remained under Ukrainian control.
Mayor Vasilkov Natalya Balasinovich announced this on the air of the Rada TV channel on Saturday morning.
“Now the fighting is ending. We can say that it is already quiet in Vasilkovo and that a very terrible night has come to an end. After long battles, after many wounded and dead, fortunately, it’s all over. Nobody gave Vasilkov to anyone, ”- she declared.
Balasinovich said that since Friday evening, rocket attacks on Ukrainian military units and the shelling of the airfield in Vasilkov began, and throughout the evening and night near Vasilkov, enemy parachute troops landed in the fields and forests. Residents informed the city authorities and the military about this.
"The most terrible thing was on our central Decembrists Street, it was fierce fighting, the whole street was on fire," the mayor says.
According to her, the territorial defense, together with the military of the 40th brigade, held the city. A large amount of equipment was promptly sent from Kyiv to help Vasilkov.
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine also claims that an Il-76 with a large landing force was shot down there (later on Svidomo forums this number quickly grew to 4).
All in all, an epic battle! This news was spread all over the world, in all major media such as CNN. With all the details.
The only problem is that in real life there was not a single Russian soldier AT ALL, either on the ground or in the air. No landing attempts, no reconnaissance groups, no attacking columns - just NOTHING. Our attack plane flew by at most and dropped a bomb on the local airfield.
For the whole night, the Ukrainian Armed Forces of Ukraine, the police and the militias exclusively wet each other, shot trucks and police cars, and so on.
Having received a bunch of corpses and wounded in the morning. And in the end, he did not show a single fragment of the aircraft, or at least even a rag taken from the saboteur. At least a chevronchik of the Airborne Forces!
Not to mention the downed IL-76 (this is a huge plane, if anyone does not know). That does not prevent them from celebrating victory in all publics and even here in LiveJournal until now.
Some will ask - how is this even possible?
And everything was very simple and banal, as the simplest reconstruction of events from their own news feeds says.
1) On the eve of the afternoon, drunken AFU officers began to drive around Kiev in the Urals and Strela (such an anti-aircraft gun), frightening drivers and hardly fitting into turns, while other AFU officers mistook them for an invading Russian column and began to fire at them from machine guns.
Those in a panic began to tick and even shoot back, thinking that these were also invading Russians.
All this is well documented in numerous videos and photos.
As a result, they were successfully killed, but they did not admit that they were their own, but decided to lie as usual and pass them off as Russian saboteurs, who allegedly changed into Ukrainian uniforms and even got Ukrainian documents. So this idiotic fake was launched through all official channels.
And they themselves believed in it! Although I don’t understand what you need to have in your head instead of brains in order to believe that real saboteurs would do this. In any case, a mass psychosis about saboteurs arose in Ukrainian social networks and heads.
2) Earlier in the day, a real Russian landing from helicopters was landed at the Gostomel airfield (right there near Kiev), and everyone saw this and was terribly frightened. So everyone everywhere expected landings and saboteurs.
3) At night, Ukrainian air defenses opened fire from anti-aircraft guns at a flying Russian fighter (probably, or maybe they imagined something).
And here we must understand that the explosions of anti-aircraft shells leave such characteristic white clouds that Ukrainian villagers take for parachutes.
So, at night, the inhabitants of Vasilkov saw "parachutes" in the sky and began to call in all instances, something like "guard, shout!"
The police (with a flashing light!) went to the checkpoint of the military unit there, apparently, to check if everything was in order.
And then someone mistook someone for saboteurs and began to play dirty tricks.
So the news first came out:
The Ukrainian checkpoint near Vasilkov was shot on Saturday night by saboteurs dressed in the uniform of the National Police, the battle for the military airfield continues, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine reports.
"Russian saboteurs, dressed in the uniform of the National Police, shot our fighters at the checkpoint near Vasilkovo," the Verkhovna Rada's Telegram channel said.
It is also emphasized that immediately after that, a Russian military group entered on a truck.
"There is a heavy battle going on," the report said.
That is, someone called for help from the Armed Forces of Ukraine on trucks, they also began to shoot them on Decembrists Street and, in general, a serious battle broke out.
Trucks, cars are on fire, shooting in all directions, cinema and the Germans. Tons of wounded and dead. By morning, of course, they figured out what they had done again.
And then they had to come up with some kind of mythical landing on the Il-76 and it was either shot down in the air, or destroyed on the ground - they lied this way and that. Particularly talented people broadcast that part of the Russian landing force survived the fall in the wreckage of the aircraft, and then they were finished off.
But what other troops, what saboteurs or convoys on trucks (!) 40 kilometers from Gostomel (this is the farthest point of advance)?
Again, after all, it’s an absolutely stupid fake - and, which is typical, the Svidomo who believed in this nonsense still do not get tired of marveling at the stupidity of Putin’s generals, who sent troops to certain death. They are joking - it would be better if they immediately threw off parachutes. But who's really stupid here?
Look at what it all resulted in. They cannot honestly admit that they screwed up, and now tirelessly spread this nonsense about their victories and some disguised saboteurs throughout Ukraine and continuously catch and piss each other in all cities and villages. Trans-Ukrainian militias, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the police and the SBU filled the whole cart with captured and shot saboteurs.
No.539528
>>539501>>539509This is some Eagles vs the Patriots tier choking.
>>539521saboteur is funny
No.539529
i have returned
No.539530
>>539521imagine sabotaging a meme like this
No.539531
>>539521sounds like something a saboteur would say
No.539535
>>539528nah i mean the fucking Falcons. Two shit birds but one actually one against the pats.
No.539536
NEWS FROM MARIUPOLhttps://twitter.com/loogunda/status/149841609012427162323:52 #Mariupol: They're bombing again. Finishing off the city
AZOVSISSIES?
No.539537
>>539512Saboteur warfare is great
No.539539
>>539513There were official Russian videos about how good being a POW in Russia is. Pretty smart move.
No.539543
>>539533Read the whole thing. It's a recreation of events that happened. In short, panicked Ukrops murdered each other in band-on-band warfare as a result of Ukrops' own disinfo
No.539545
>>539512>Russians encircle the city and mantain a highway open for citizens to escape the encirclement.<IF YOU'RE FOUND IN A CAR ESCAPING THE GLORY OF GREATER UKRAINE WE WILL SHOOT YOU FOR BEING A SABOTEUR.I FUCKING CALLED ITYOU PEOPLE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME BUT I FUCKING CALLED IT.HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAThis is so fucking sad.
No.539546
>>539540This isnt the result of nazis, this is the result of a panicked, horribly disorganized state. Im sure that the mafiosos will get the best kick out of this, settling scores with rivals and getting away with it
No.539548
>>539540Denazification is good but let's not pretend that Russia hasn't funded the far right in the EU either.
No.539549
>>539540Ukraine has a serious militia problem, paranoia+guns do some bad things
No.539550
>>539500Yeah, pretty much, retard.
No.539554
>>539540denazification is good. we should also do it to russia, europe and yankeestan
No.539555
>>539514>>539515>>539516Thank you for the replies I just wanted to get across that the nature of the imperialist doesn't matter it's their existence that's the issue. Hegemonic or multi-polar we have to combat imperialism. Are we at mercy with multipolarity being absolutely necessary? I don't believe so and I believe thinking so limits us!
No.539556
>>539516>Good workthank you
>>539502>this lol, ukrops put up actual war atrocities on twitter and hope libs will cheer for them. some actually do, but its our job to attack their conscience and limit the disinfothank you
>>539513>Fucking how? Russians have been showing almost nothing so far.We had like a dozen webms, you retard, that showed that Russians treat their POW as respectfully (in accordance with the Geneva Conventions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions ) as possible. Take the fucking L.
No.539557
>>539548Yeah, impotent 3rd-4th place parties that have little hope of gaining actual power
No.539558
>>539554True answer to the question.
No.539559
>>539557eh. it is what it is man.
No.539561
>>539536If there is one thing that is certain in this war of grey areas, it is that slaughtering the Zion Battalion is a righteous and just action. He should really make an example of them. Butcher them, march them around naked, whatever.
No.539562
>>539560inb4 its actually russian psyop, all that media hysteria, reports of ukros winning, saboposting
No.539563
>>539557Are there any actual Ukrainian fash parties which currently hold significant positions in the cabinet or legislature? It seems like their influence is mostly through mobilization of supporters outside of government, as well as in the military.
No.539564
>>539562>sabopostingOh go fuck yourself already
No.539565
>>539553>adolf Putin adolf Schizo shit
No.539566
>>539555unipolar imperialism is at least likely not to result in global thermonuclear war, so that's nice
No.539568
>>539564Real sabocat here. I actually am an FSB agent. The sophistication of this operation is beyond your understanding.
No.539569
This is becoming more cringe than the first months of covid hysteria
No.539575
>>539512TAKING A BUS RIDE SABOTEUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!==
No.539576
>>539560Also, this and this
>>539527 if true mean that Ukrops lost all army communication and there's ONLY SOCIAL NETWORKS LEFT to them. Hence the band-on-band warfare - there's no coordination whatsoever between armed bands.
No.539577
>>539567Glad to see that this invasion is totally weakening NATO and definitely isn't driving neutral countries towards them.
No.539578
>>539563that is the important part though, first mass movement, then government, not the other way round
No.539579
>>539567so much for deescalation
No.539580
>>539577saboteur detected
No.539582
>>539568Fuck off. Even when I disagree with Sabo’s conclusions, his reasoning his well grounded and principled.
No.539583
>>539540>Can we just stop with the "both sides" shit and acknowledge the fact that Ukraine has A SERIOUS NAZI PROBLEM and that Russia is valid in trying to denazify them?Ukraine has a more serious problem: absolutely no social cohesion and a lot of criminality. You're overblowing the Nazi problem. Yes, it's much worse than elsewhere. And yes, they're supported by NATO and have taken over the military. But the average Ukrainian is not a literal neonazi like Azov, although is brainwashed by nationalism. Also, the people you see in the streets in those videos are mostly just lumpen proletariat who are taking advantage of the situation.
No.539584
>>539573I'm currently in Kiev taking a dump in Zelinsky's toilet. I've been eating nothing but Russian MREs for weeks so it will definitely be clogged.
No.539585
>>539572stop impersonating me
No.539586
>>539560Russian Trolling 100
No.539587
can we all agree to stop posting twitter videos as if they are real, and instead post "this is a video in which a person claims this" almost none of them are real
No.539588
>>539581which ones of them are the real ones?
No.539590
>>539581>>539588 (me)
nm I done figured out they're edited videos from 2014
No.539593
Putin is a NATO saboteur weakening Russia.
No.539595
>>539594Yes. Like better music, comrade
No.539596
>Ok, UK, US and the rest, you don’t want to close the sky over #Ukraine. How about you give your planes to non @Nato states of #Europe and they close the sky over @Ukraine Like this Nato won’t be at war with #Russia and Ukrainian children will be safe.Idea of @DmytroNatalukha
-Ukraine MP
They are getting creative bros
https://twitter.com/lesiavasylenko/status/1498418883836928000?s=20&t=aQeGnddEyVQlqidvg-Kxqg No.539597
>>539560Disinformation is a cornerstone of modern war. I've always been an advocate of it going back to the riots in 2020. Right wingers are especially receptive to it do too their reactionary nature. They do it to themselves sometimes. Cops in Michigan were chasing imaginary soros busses because of post on the Donald. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia is stirring shit with the sabator meme and getting the Ukraines to turn on another.
No.539599
>>539592stop doing this stupid shit
No.539600
>>539566It's assured destruction anyways due to global warming caused by the imperial core.
No.539603
>>539588the top ones, they are old videos form 2014 that they edited to look like russian losses.
this shit makes no sense, are they that desperate that they have to take shit and falsify when russia do toke losses, would not be better to show the russian losses ?
No.539604
>Despite the systematic campaign of lies by the bourgeois disinformation media, it is clear that the conflict in Ukraine is part of a secular war of aggression of Western imperialism against Russia and China, which began in 1918 with the US military invasion against the Russian Revolution, which was defeated by the Red Army in Siberia.
>And that continues today with the attempt to dismember Russia through bellicose war expansionism of NATO and China through the attempt to organize a coup d’état against President Xi Jinping, as publicly requested by the media of Rupert Murdoch and George Soros.
>This secular imperialist war is destined to fail, as long as Russia and China continue to maintain their defensive strategic alliance against the aggressors.
>Defending this alliance is the task of every person who seeks to overcome the era of post-truth and the American Century, which block the emancipative pathways of human mankind.
No.539605
>>539599 i was the first one to use this flag bro
No.539607
>>539594Yes. Play lolicore.
No.539608
>>539600we can adapt to global warming and even reverse it much more easily than the sudden onset of nuclear winter and fallout
No.539611
>>539598I just sat taking a shit watching this. Proper weird.
No.539613
>>539546>This isnt the result of nazisLOL>this is the result of a panicked [CITIZENSHIP]who have been manipulated by a nazi state, you moron
>Im sure that the mafiosos will get the best kick out of this, settling scores with rivals and getting away with itYou are talking about shit you came up with, your own phantasmagories in your own head, you stupid, disgusting liberal.
>>539548>let's not pretend that Russia hasn't funded the far right in the EU either.This is the 12th thread where morons like you claim this. This is the 12th thread where you will be asked the same thing you have been asked over-and-over again: can you link a SINGLE SOURCE that is not National Endowment for Democracy sourced, you FUCKING moron boot-licker?>>539549>Ukraine has a serious militia problem, paranoia+guns do some bad thingsIt's not about "paranoia + guns," you absolute moron, it's about
Nazis WITH guns + Nazis having political power, you fucking cringe liberal little human filth, you disgusting excrement.
No.539615
>>539596There's only a few non-NATO European states, no? Why wouldn't Russia just nuke them in that case?
No.539617
>>539612If Afghan civlians had done that to an American convoy they would get vapourized.
No.539618
>>539428>Putin is bourgeios scum like the rest?Cope more glowy.
CNN told me he was going to create USSR 2.
No.539619
>>539613rational ML discourse on this topic continues, I see
No.539620
Guys, Nicholas Maduro is corrupt. Look, I know the US is bad, but two things can be bad at the same time. We need to support the leaders that want to bring democracy to Venezuela, Juan Guaido. I thought leftypol rooted for the oppressed people? Don't you want to see Venezuela come out of its year-on-year 20000% inflation?
You can't sacrifice the working class of Venezuela for your tankie dreams. What would Marx say?
No.539621
>>539619Yes, it’s rational to get mad at willfully ignorant dipshits.
No.539622
>>539613I actually retract my statement, I said that without evidence anonkun
No.539623
BREAKING NEWS
Order No. 227 has been announced! saboteurs will be shot!
No.539624
>>539620Venezuela is not an imperialist entity. Venezuela is not a bourgeois state. Russia is both of those things.
No.539625
>NATO SHILLSTODAY, I WILL REMIND THEM THAT THIER PUPPET STATE OF UKRAINE IS A LIE
also go here
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash No.539626
there are saboteurs itt right now
No.539627
>>539620Listen in your sarcasm you have compared Putin to Maduro and Maduro is about 12 million times more based than Putin so don't do that
No.539629
I've seen libs saying Putin is mentally unwell due to what's going on, but i feel like his military strategy is pretty basic to follow and pretty strategically sound?
Like if you're in a scenario where your enemy is butting up against your borders and being aggressive, eventually you have to respond to get them to stop, or they will encroach and sorround you. They're already doing this. Pushing back a single time isn't going to get those other countries to join against your enemy faster, it's going to make think about if they really should join.
Especially because Ukraine was propped up by NATO for the last few years (decades?) and now the only support they are offering to the panicking leader is sanctions and gun shipments and offering troop training at the border. No troops on the ground, no tanks or air support. Effectively nothing more than what a moderately weak ally would provide you, when it's clear they don't actually want to get into the war with you.
Russia is making the point that they're stronger than NATO, and that NATO doesn't actually care about the people in those countries or anything more than creating a military blockade against the East. Russia is likely going to succeed at taking the border provinces, has already succeeded at wiping out a lot of military bases in Ukraine, and so far the only consequence to them has been some financial sanctions that mostly just hurt citizens. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is still happy to pay them for their oil and is too afraid to get into a hot war with them. There will effectively be very little consequences for them, and they will have gained territory and weakened NATO in just a few weeks of combat. Seems like pretty good military strategy to me.
I think the people that think Russia has a bad strategy think that NATO is gonna swoop in or something but even then, It's fucking Russia. It's the 5th largest military in the world in walking distance of the country they're invading and they've already taken the parts they want. NATO deploying troops would be illegal, a nightmare for international public relations for everyone, and an uphill battle for them, and would open those other nations up to Russian attack (who have fucking nukes).
I'm really failing to see how it's some crackpot strategy like the libs are claiming. Seems pretty basic to follow to me.
from r/genzedong
No.539630
>>539620This doesn't work. Maduro isn't invading anyone.
No.539631
THERMONUCLEAR HOLOCAUST WHEN
I'm tired of living, I'm tired of working, I'm tired of libs and fascists all around me, I'm tired of this globohomo world—i'm fucking tired
Can I just get instantly vaporized by a nuke already? Cmon Putin…
No.539632
>>539624Sub-imperialist. Like how a podkulak is not the same thing as a kulak
No.539633
>>539620I mean russia trades with Venezuela but I can't say "This is it chief"
No.539634
>>539630he should invade colombia desu
No.539636
>>539629>I've seen libs saying Putin is mentally unwell due to what's going on,call them ableist
No.539638
>>539629I am not an expert on military strategy by any means but libs claiming he's mentally unwell honestly just smacks of their tendency to individualize everything
No.539639
>>539631We'll get it if they do the no-fly zone and kick russia off the security council.
How the morons in the west think that UN would function as an international body without representation from the largest nuclear arsenal in the world is beyond me.
No.539640
Putin is a NATO plant, ex KGB double agent
No.539642
>>539439>still believing that Debord was any better than BookchinWesternoid brain confirmed.
Sad.
Many such cases.
No.539643
>>539631Dude, can't you just off yourself?
No.539644
BREAKING: Ghost of Kiev has moved on, stuck in purgatory
No.539646
>>539620Whoa! So we have legit PSYOPS going around here,
No.539647
Every single "saboteur" they round up looks like a poor person, looks miserable, unemployed, with an alcohol problem. I think it's just the neo-nazi elements within the Ukrainian regular and irregular forces that round up everyone who looks "subhuman".
No.539649
>>804183
>as President Eisenhower had defined the supreme objectives of U.S. foreign policy in 1961, in the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP): a surprise nuclear attack on the urban centers and industrial targets of Russia and China.
Wtf… these people are insane.
No.539650
>>539647What you're doing can and will be considered a saboteur behaviour. Refrain from doing so or else.
No.539651
>>539640Putin is NATO’s spurned lover who realized that he will never be aligned with it
No.539653
>>539643Nah, too much of a pussy and instant nuke vaporization seems like the best way to go
No.539654
>>539624Guys, Iran Supreme Leader Dictator Ali Khamenei is corrupt. Look, I know the US is bad, but two things can be bad at the same time. We need to support the Iranian people and support any embargo that might starve the people. I thought leftypol rooted for the oppressed? Don't you want to see Iran come out of its embargo and authoritarian leader?
You can't sacrifice the working class of Iran for your tankie dreams. What would Marx say?
Also, Iran is imperialist in that region and imperialism is morally wrong, as we marxists now.
No.539655
>>539647I have noticed the same exact shit. makes sense when you remember especially poor Ukrainians are the least likely to be nationalists and most likely to not give a shit whether they're in ukraine russia or USSR 2.
No.539658
>>539653unfortunately people who are not you will have to live in the post-nuclear world
No.539659
>>539638It's deliberate propaganda by so-called "geopolitical experts" so that people don't think about geopolitics at all. Reminds me of the biggest "heroes" of American diplomacy which had the philosophy that diplomacy is pointless.
No.539660
>>539654Iran is not an imperialist power. Russia is.
No.539661
>>539647i though this as well
No.539662
>>539656>2,500 assault rifles, 150,000 rounds of ammunition, 1,500 anti-tank weapons and 70,000 food kitsDude, this is the US version of "sending" poor Africans 5% of your coffee sales in charity, lmao.
No.539663
Do liberals differentiate between mad and disinformed?
No.539666
>>539647>looks like a poor person, looks miserable, unemployed, with an alcohol problemThat's just the average slav.
No.539668
what happened to the little medical van?
No.539669
>>539660The fact that mods don't perma-ban this faggot makes my communist mind go *boom*, for real.
No.539670
>>539664Some kind of infrared beacon?
No.539671
>>539660Iran has def been called imperialist.
No.539673
>>539668saboteurs stole it
No.539674
>>539671That doesn't mean they are.
No.539675
>>539659>strawmanning anybody who doesn't like either Putin or NATO as being crypto-pro-NATOMLs have gone full schizo
No.539676
>>539669It is a leftist forum, not an ML one
No.539679
>>539667>we respectfully askLOL
<get conquered>respectfully ask No.539680
>>539675Kek that is one of the least schizo statement I've seen from anybody here.
No.539682
I want a box to hug with Sabby…
No.539683
>>5396202021 Venezuela inflation was 680%.
2022 forecast is less than 500%, possibly even less than 300%.
Just to dispel "muh Vuvuzela Weimar" myth
No.539685
>>539670Who the hell knows? I've seen dvachers troll Ukrainians (to death?) by offering them jobs of placing beacons.
No.539687
>>539676>it's a leftist forum not an anti-NATO forumwow
>>539678>wishing to maintain the BASIC anti-imperialist standard is a "hugbox"ok, anglo
No.539688
>>539675How does your post relate to what I wrote? Did you mean to reply to someone else?
No.539690
>>539680>implying schizo is an aestheticnah this is pretty schizo
essentially locking yourself in a closet screaming "ANYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS PRO-NATO" out of some Bush Jr.-tier "either with us or against us" logic is pretty fuckin' schizo
No.539693
Sanctions come in effect the 26th of march. Make sure to stock up
No.539695
>>539688Fuck, meant for
>>539654 No.539696
>>539693That is so long away if they really want to press Russia they should make them come into action now
Gives Russia a lot of time to prepare and adjust
No.539697
>>539687>The basic anti-imperialist standard is logic functionally indistinguishable from liberal lesser-evilismlol ok
No.539700
>>539684Gamers truly are the first casualties of war
No.539703
>>539669I am going to give you my opinion. Back when I was mod there was a mod that had the thing noticer, the resident nazi poster, as a pet project to take him to the path through de-radicalization of nazi ideology, and train him into communism. This happened before the lefty/bunkerchan split. I am 100% sure that mod left the chan because the naziposter was constantly banned/deleted its posts.
Perhaps, I am not doing this out of blue, sabo is a pet project of one of the mods :3
>>539676This is an ML board. The mods are 100% MLs.
No.539705
>>539687>EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES IS PRO-NATO BECAUSE REALITY IS BLACK AND WHITEMLs really have become the libs of the left
No.539708
>>539692>vidia brainare you capable of feeling shame, neet?
No.539709
>>539681A C C E L E R A T E
Biden is going to be mad
No.539710
>>539612Rip The flame of kiev
No.539711
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1498423945963442180Z-ANONS… WE ARENT DOING SO WELL IN EASTERN UKRAINE? WHAT HAPPENED?!
No.539712
>>539703>The mods are 100% MLs.It explains why anti-authoritarian voices are being silenced!
No.539713
>>539684This is so unfair to pirates
No.539718
>>539669Sure, his reasoning is weak, but are you really prepared to give up the unique perspective Canadians bring into the fold of leftist thought?
No.539719
Violence in Jerusalem escalating means Westoid will sscreech against Putin even harder today.
No.539720
>>539681MULTIPOLAR WORLD IS A REALITY YEASSS
No.539723
>>539703>sabo is a pet project of one of the modsSounds hot.
No.539725
>>539705Westoid leftists always had lib way of thinking, you can't blame them either, they live in the capitalist centers. There's too much strawmanning everywhere though, including in your post and this one :^)
No.539726
>>539703>sabo is a pet project of one of the mods :3100%
Our current mods include like:
>2 UK socdems>furries>etc.I've said enough No.539727
Ramzan Kadyrov:
“Do you feel the spirit of the patriots who are going to defend the Ukrainian people?! Beware of the Nazis, Azov, Bandera, and especially those devils who, having fled from us, do not hesitate to deceive the Ukrainian people, saying that you will protect them. You are so vile!!! You did not live bravely, did not fight bravely, and you will die unworthily! I ask the Ukrainian people not to believe these devils! they lead you to certain death. Determine your own destiny! Together we are strength."
https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/1282 No.539728
>>539714yes, multipolarism good
No.539729
>>539702This is how i imagine it would play out if me and my gf joined some sort of millitia, we both just die on some friendly fire accident.
No.539730
>>539681Does this mean Europe buys oil in PetroYuan
No.539731
>>539708It's on point tho.
No.539733
>>539698Using a nuke to shove a ton of dirt in the air that will spread around the globe while temporarily blocking some sunlight has been proposed. I think it is our only realistic chance worldwide communism is not coming any time soon.
No.539734
>>539698Y…yes. In the same vein the Americas natives getting obliterated by disease caused the nature to recover so much it caused a Little Ice Age.
No.539735
>>539675Its easy to condemn all sides. You can't be wrong. It's much harder to analyze the situation and have a principled stance.
Non alignment is a defecto alignment with the hegemon.
Wishful thinking (eg. "I'm for the working class. Ukranians and Russian working class should just do USSR 2. No, i dont care that there isnt a working class for itself in real life, only dreams and hope matter.") is useless and against the interests of the working class. A crypto-ultra position fit only for liberals larping as leftists.
There are no Putin shills here. There are NATO shills, and they have a bleeding heart for "the working class". They're one step away from begging NATO bring in the carpet democracy installers, flattening Kiev for freedom and liberty of the proletariat.
No.539737
>>539711how are they even polling?
No.539738
>>539727There is people on this board who will actually see kadyrov world view as opposed to extremist and not solely a fight for territory and ethnic battle
Crazy times
Critical support for guy who literally orders killing of people for being gay and supports it i guess!!!
No.539739
>>539656>150,000 roundsfucking lol, there are burger preppers with more thank 150k in ammo
No.539742
>>539698>smallYeah, we'll have just a lil itty bitty nuclear war, it's in my green party program.
No.539744
>>539728>principled stance<everybody who disagrees with me is a nato shillliterally the "orange man bad" of anti-imperialism
No.539745
I just want NATO to start spreading communism
No.539746
>>539705Yeah, dude, as a Hungarian myself who lives in the periphery of the European Union, meaning that me and my compatriots from ex-AES countries get sucked dry for our surplus values – WE definitely are dirty "MLs" who became the "libs of the left," as opposed to the
ENLIGHTENED Western European nations who actually
BENEFIT from exploiting us!!!
No.539748
>>539612They bombed some sort of support vehicle that was being towed anyways
No.539749
>>539730Not necessarily. I have yet to see what those "energy sector sanctions" entailed.
>tfw you freeze to death to own the Russkies and prove how loyal you are to American masters No.539750
>>539744meant for>>804415
No.539751
>>539738Literally liberal imperialist mindset, faggotry is western burgy culture.
No.539752
>>539735>Non alignment is a defecto alignment with the hegemon. How does advocating anti-NATO agitation without endorsing the invasion help NATO?
No.539753
We need a purge. It’s only natural.
No.539758
>>539730Looks more like it will be in the PetroRuble tbh.
No.539760
>>539624>Russia>ImperialistFucking sabocat
No.539761
>>539698>Here's why that's a good thing!I thought I was having schizo thoughts, but what if the elites just jet down to New Zealand for a while and let Russia and America obliterate each other?
No.539762
>>539669Because you aren’t willing to communicate with someone to try and understand their position, which is much more nuanced and aligned with a marxist perspective than your knee-jerk reaction?
Sabo thinks that we shouldn’t explicitly support Russia in addition to condemning Ukraine
No.539764
>>539759He literally is.
He has never, ever, posted something alongside the lines of a trot, or an anarkiddie.
This is literally Hoxha's line.
No.539766
>>539746>having a harder go of it due to my circumstances automatically makes me rightby that logic the meth tweakers who live five miles from me would be fucking einstein
No.539767
>>539760Feel free to take a look at the thread on the issue.
No.539768
>>539666And the avergae slav is not a neonazi
No.539770
>>539746okay ginjeet nap time now
No.539774
>>539656Who thinks that all this aid and shit will just go back to the EU anyways and that this shit isn't even being sold off? Ukraine looks absolutely FUCKED
No.539776
>>539769>a blog said somethingwow
No.539777
>>539774it will actually get captured by russia lmao
No.539778
>>539752It's too late to condemn the invasion.
Palo dado ni Dios lo quita.
The dick is already way past the rectum.
No.539779
>>539567I wanna screw her as well.
>>539614Leftypol will eventually reach schizophrenic singularity, and afterwards, another split will follow.
Basically a cosmological theory, but applied to this basket weaving, train loving, albanian communistic imageboard.
No.539780
>>539772God you guys are just looking for an excuse for blood
No.539785
>>539775God id be bawling my eyes out
No.539787
>Post thread saying that Russia is not imperialist.
<Get BTFO in that thread.
>Come back into the Ukraine thread to continue the discussion.
You should be banned, not because of your line that Russia is not imperialistic (Even if it isn't it is it's objective), but because you're a fucking faggot.
No.539788
>>539782knew it was you babe, you can go ahead and follow the videos instructions any time
No.539789
Are you guys ready for everything to double in price soon?
No.539790
>>539769Idk how Micheal Roberts defines "imperialism," but he makes it clear that Russia definitely intends to exploit Ukraine's resources.
<If Putin can gain control of Ukraine, that opens up significant riches to be exploited. Ukraine is rich in natural resources, particularly in mineral deposits. It possesses the world’s largest reserves of commercial-grade iron ore—30 billion tonnes of ore or around one-fifth of the global total. Ukraine ranks second in terms of known natural gas reserves in Europe, which today remain largely untapped. Ukraine’s mostly flat geography and high-quality soil composition make the country a big regional agricultural player. The country is the world’s fifth-largest exporter of wheat and the world’s largest exporter of seed oils like sunflower and rapeseed. Coal mining, chemicals, mechanical products (aircraft, turbines, locomotives and tractors) and shipbuilding are also important sectors of the Ukrainian economy.<All of this remains to be fully exploited. The EU and the US have also been drooling over the prospect of getting hold of these resources. As I showed in my last post, the Ukraine government plans to sell off huge tracts of land to foreign and domestic investors to develop. That could deliver huge dividends to whichever power controls the country. If your definition of "imperialism" is so narrow that it doesn't include invading your neighbour and stealing their resources then it's pretty useless.
No.539791
>>539769Sabo’s claim is that Hudson uses quantitative numbers and cutoffs in a way that makes him technically correct according to the metrics used, but doesn’t contextualize it in a greater real-world context, which would show that Russia is much closer to imperialist countries in those metrics than, say, venezuela or iran.
No.539797
>>539793People way smarter than you are permitted to have blogs, cretin.
No.539801
>>539797>an economist I like said so that automatically makes him rightlol ok
No.539802
>>539507> Anons will capitalism collapse from its own contradictions or not? People who believe capitalism will inevitably collapse because of some pretedermined laws of the universe or whatever are like christians who wait for rapture. Nothing is guaranteed so stop acting like it is. Communism could very well never happen.
No.539803
>>539746Your country is not such a periphery anymore either, you're creating your own peripheries now thanks to Orban and his national bourgeoisie who are buying up state companies in my country.
No.539806
>>539790>Idk how Micheal Roberts defines "imperialism,"read:
<idc to find out No.539807
>>539800That isn't using Lenin's categories. At no point does Lenin ever say that monopoly finance capital is a prerequisite of imperialism. On the contrary he called Russia imperialist against Ukraine despite it being a dirt poor shithole which extracted minimal value from the rest of the world.
No.539809
>>539801A Marxist economist, yes, and it does. Are you lost?
No.539812
>>539791Honestly I dont give a fuck if Russia is imperialist because it is the minor imperialist, objectively. Russia hasn't fucked over and continues to fuck over the great majority of the periphery. NATO does. So he can fuck off with his bullshit about "muh imperialism" "both bad" because its fucking bullshit. A slap and a bullet to the face are both bad, fucking genius statement.
These fucking anglo-moralists boil my blood. Do you not know how much of an obstacle NATO is? Do you not understand how powerful it is? How hegemonic it is? There is no room for pussy footing here. There is no room for lukewarm bullshit.
The eternal anglo fetishizes weakness and sees virtue in oppression and failure. Well, fuckers, take your retarded leftoid bullshit and stick it up your ass.
No.539814
>>539806Whatever it is it definitely isn't Lenin's.
No.539815
>>539790I would say that under imperialism, while exploitation is there, there is also a qualitative shift in the relationship between the exploiter and the exploited, where the exploiter is wholly dependent on the exploited or rather a large group of exploited in order to fulfill its economic domestic economic functioning
No.539817
>>539810He is. It's not that high of a bar to clear.
No.539818
>>539809>being part of an intellectual tradition I agree with automatically makes this individual person's take on the situation correct with no need to critically examine itlol
No.539819
>>539813first gay world leader??? pete buttigieg is quivering
No.539820
>>539811Non-EU zone actually offers you some sovereignty. Peripheries in the EU zone are completely cucked.
No.539822
>>539820 (me)
I mean non-euro zone.
No.539823
Michael Hudson is probably smarter than a bunch of leftypolups but simply posting his article and writing DEBOOONKED with no explanation is lazy. If you want to teach people, quote directly and explain.
No.539825
>>539776Weird deflection/strawman. Very smart move.
No.539826
>>539813I don't care.
>>539819No, that's someone else. Meme's funny, though.
No.539827
>>539802Yes capitalism could continue through fascism and force to extend it's survival. Still it's contradictions will bring dire conditions no matter the case. If history is determined by those conditions, of war, desperation, hunger to cause the setting for a revolution we have nothing to fear in that case. I agree with you that nothing is set in stone and we must organize either way.
No.539828
>>804508(me)
*the true winner
No.539829
>>539823There's a thread, you know: >>801258
IN FACT EVERYONE SHOULD CHECK THAT THREAD INSTEAD OF SHITTING THEMSELVES ON IMPERIALISM. No.539830
>>539698>Can it?Can nuclear war reverse global warming ?
No, a nuclear war would destroy so much infrastructure that the survivors, lets say half of humanity 3.5 billion, will restart burning wood and coal for heat and cooking that they might accelerate climate change, by burning off too many forests. Nuclear weapons are also very imprecise, it is very easy to kick so much particles into orbit that it cause an ice age that freezes 2/3rd of the planet.
There are cheaper, better and nondestructive methods to do geo-engineering.
No.539831
>>539818>critically examine itYou haven't done it.
No.539834
>>539824Yes, I've been saying that since the beginning. Even if burgers gain in short-term, China still benefits more by just sitting back.
No.539835
>>539812>Russia hasn't fucked over and continues to fuck over the great majority of the periphery. NATO does. Do you think that Russia will refrain from doing this if it gains the opportunity? They are already doing it, albeit on a far more limited scale. The enemy of the peoples of the world is imperialism, not any single imperialist state or bloc. I see the value in multipolarity, and for that reason I think that a Russian victory is a preferable outcome. But at the same time I understand that the primary duty of communists in a conflict between imperialists is to bring about the defeat of their own ruling class, and to turn the bourgeois war into a class war.
No.539837
>>539814>I haven't read it, but I already know that it is against the Canadian labour aristocracy, therefore it is BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lmao
No.539838
>>539812I also hold the same perspective. Stage 1 and Stage 4 cancer are both cancer, but one is more operable than the other.
Still, it is important to recognize this to avoid treating the current state of affairs as this static mechanical thing. Multipolarity allows for the bourgeoisie to be more divided and weaker, which is beneficial for the proletariat, but this state of affairs is in itself transient and can switch to another imperial replacing the old one. Russia’s subimperialism has significant implications for the future if Russia becomes one of the multiple poles.
No.539839
>>539812>Do you not know how much of an obstacle NATO is? Do you not understand how powerful it is? How hegemonic it is?Yes
>There is no room for pussy footing here. There is no room for lukewarm bullshit.Imagine thinking the left ends up in a favorable spot here either way
>The eternal anglo fetishizes weakness and sees virtue in oppression and failure. Well, fuckers, take your retarded leftoid bullshit and stick it up your ass.I can't speak for everyone, but I'm fucking
tired. We've been trying this shit for generations with nothing to fucking show for it, to the point where some of you comfort yourselves by saying that maybe little junior hegemons will be a lesser evil when that's never fucking happened.
No.539842
>>539841Me and your mom (we fuck every night)
No.539845
>>539836I doubt it's legible, and not encrypted.
No.539847
Bitcoin just had its highest daily gain in history, apparently Russians fleeing the ruble crash
No.539849
>>539837I've read a few of his articles, and he doesn't actually give a definition of imperialism anywhere that I've seen. However he seems to be under the impression that it is a quantitative and relative designation rather than a qualitative one. It's also clearly narrowly focused on the dominant mechanisms in the West. For some reason he thinks that if Russia invades its neighbour and imposes economic relations beneficial to Russia at Ukraine's expense, this is not a form of imperialism. Is this your position as well? That invading your neighbour so that your porkies can steal its resources is not imperialism?
No.539851
>>539826are you telling me that zelensky is not in that video????
No.539853
>>539844Okay, but that’s in the more distant future than the present future. You can’t decide what will be optimal, but what’s good enough or even what’s the most you can get away with
No.539855
>>539844>>Multipolarity allows for the bourgeoisie to be more divided and weaker, which is beneficial for the proletariat, but this state of affairs is in itself transient and can switch to another imperial replacing the old one.That's false tho.
It has happened in the past, but such power dynamics only change after war.
War between NATO and Russia will result in
NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION Thus it is not true because ther can't be no capitalism if we're living in the Mad Max Timeline.
No.539856
>>539835>But at the same time I understand that the primary duty of communists in a conflict between imperialists is to bring about the defeat of their own ruling class, and to turn the bourgeois war into a class war.That option is not on the table, idealistic romantic idiot!
>>539848Probably fake news. Based and multipolarity pilled if true.
>>539844Even if thats true, it will take a long long time. The imperial core has been the imperial core for centuries. What makes you think the switch will be immediate?
No.539858
>>539854president Zelenskyyy (formerly alive)
No.539861
>>539856>Probably fake news. Based and multipolarity pilled if true.It's semi-true, there's also opposition from Chinese libs.
No.539863
>>539851Oh, wait, shit, that
is him.
No.539865
>>539856>That option is not on the table, idealistic romantic idiot!So you don't believe that Western comrades should agitate against NATO involvement in Ukraine?
No.539866
post more schizo anti-sabotuerism
No.539867
>>539855>NUCLEAR ANNIHILATIONNukes are not as devastating as you think, nuckear winter was debunked
No.539869
>>539849NTA, but it becomes imperialism when you are dependent on it for your domestic economy’s viability. Like with Rome, which had to keep conquering and plundering territories just to keep up the supply of slaves. It’s like a red queen effect for the economy or heroin addicts needing to keep taking heroin just to stop themselves from being dopesick
No.539871
WHERE ARE THE AZOV DEATHS
No.539876
>>539862Hands up saboteur
No.539877
>>539848They are lying about this. At this point NYT should be understood as psychotically sinophobic hatemongers.
No.539879
>>539869>NTA, but it becomes imperialism when you are dependent on it for your domestic economy’s viability.Why is that the case? If a country engages in political domination and economic exploitation of others, then it should be considered imperialist. Why is it relevant the extent to which its economy relies on this?
No.539881
>>539868Here folks is the predicted future! effects to be seen as early as this summer! Financial collapse by 2022 elections!
No.539883
>>539872Please don't punish me!
No.539884
>>539870They are absolutely, unreservedly anti-war. There is no pro-war sentiment to be found. Chinese do not feel strongly one way or another about a war between two countries in Europe they largely have friendly to neutral relations with, and neither, for that matter, do it's neighbors in India or SEA, who have also expressed neutrality or stronger support. I fucking hate these lying pricks.
No.539885
>>539872no wonder the Ukraine are defecting so much, they keep making pro russia propaganda for the ukranians in the gov and army.
No.539887
>>539881Burger is not going to go down quietly. No capitalist empire ever has.
This will go like I said, Putin invading is the less escalatory option, but it only
delays WW3 by a year.
No.539888
>>539884>They are absolutely, unreservedly anti-war. So they are condemning Putin for invading Ukraine?
No.539889
>>539868If this happens, Putin will become one of the greatest heroes of the 21st century.
No.539890
The r/russia subreddit just got quarantined
No.539891
>>539888Why would they? It's all Nato's fault.
No.539894
>>539861As one would expect from a huge country. I honestly wouldn't be surpised if most of online China is rooting for Ukraine. On the other hand, they tend to be much more well educated on global affairs than Americans which is what I mostly see online, so who knows.
>>539865You're strawmanning. Where is the left agitating against NATO? They're all doing the #Ukraine bullshit or #both sides bad. Very few are pointing the finger at the actual and real culprit and real enemy of the working class, which is the imperial core and its various mechanisms of imposition.
You have a weak political line, don't you agree?
No.539895
>>539892Goddammit, they got Stephen King, too?
No.539896
>>539891>t's all Nato's fault.So basically pro-war
No.539899
>>539892Why american books are so ugly? They always look cheap as fuck.
No.539902
>>539898>To all anons that claimed the economy is to global for great power conflict best hang your heads lowThose retards don't exist, though, anymore, right? Not since 1914? When people were claiming the
exact same thing?
No.539903
>>539901piss off with your cringe ecelebs
No.539906
>>539897Yeah, I know there are communists with good political lines, but they are the minority. PSL had a good take as well.
No.539907
>>539897I was as in an anti-NATO protest in my eurocuck country and we were called "fascists" and murderers by libs.
No.539909
>>539907I was once at a pro-cuba anti-US concentration and at the other side of the plaza there was a #SOSCuba manifestation there.
Yes, indeed libs are gay.
We're not libs.
No.539911
>>539904first
>political cumpisssecond
>its wrong. No.539913
>>539910Fuck off to /itg/ faggot.
No.539914
>>539907Exactly. And these pussyfooting lukewarm crypto imperialist takes like sabocat's dont help.
More like scabocat since they scab and join the libs when the takes get too hot.
No.539917
>>539894>You're strawmanning. Where is the left agitating against NATO?Statement from the Communist Party of Canada (I'm an aspiring member). It briefly calls for invasion to end and then spends the rest of the time criticizing NATO. Tell me what you object to about the statement.
https://communist-party.ca/no-to-war-in-europe/ No.539918
>>539681Completely predictable. Ruskies have been working on pairing their system (SPFS) with China's since they took over Crimea.
No.539919
>>539915You know I'm right. This is the leftist equivalent of AOC condeming Cuba when things got hot.
No.539920
>
On October 27, 2019, insurrectionary anarchists carried out a bomb attack against a mobile communications tower, in the Proletarskyi District in Donetsk. It was reportedly done to draw attention to the torture being performed by the state security forces of the Donetsk People's Republic.[146]
Anarchists are basically nazis at this point, no wonder they join Azov en masse
No.539921
Russia says it has no plans to occupy Ukraine.
'member when they said they wouldn't invade?
I 'member!
No.539924
>>539890Eventually every subreddit that has a pro-russian or at the very least anti-nato/ukraine view of this will be shut down. Reddit is going public soon and they don't want to scare off rich billionaire investors with stock in raytheon and lockheed martin.
Say goodbye to /r/genzedong, /r/genzhou, /r/sendinthetanks, /r/russia, /r/shitliberalssay, /r/informedtankie, /r/fullcommunism, /r/cpusa, and /r/communismmemes
the other leftist subreddits will stay as their breed of socialism is basically commodified hand painted che guevara mugs, denouncing every communist government and supporting bernie to own the conservatives.
Agent KochinskiV will become the new central subreddit for leftism.
No.539925
>>539922Hope he kills many fascists too
No.539927
>>804629
Stop with this shitposting for fucks sake.
No.539928
>>539925He's been captured and is now a harem slave.
No.539929
>>539924>Agent KochinskiV will become the new central subreddit for leftism.so there will not be leftism in reddit anymore ?.
No.539930
>>539888They've largely staked out a compromise position that makes everyone feel fine: Ukraine deserves territorial integrity (like China), NATO is destabilizing and Russia was justified to feel threatened, the war should not happen and is a tragedy, all parties should seek the quickest end to hostilities and reach a diplomatic solution #prayforukraine.
This is a pretty easy position to hold outside of a media environment like ours, which is so intensely polarizing that one cannot be anti-War without anything less than full-throated and unreserved condemnation of Putler, even though this blind rage is perhaps the most pro-War stance one can actually have, and there is indeed no actual anti-War stance that can exist.
No.539931
>>539917>Tell me what you object to about the statement.That you are an aspiring member, and not a member, for one…
This isn't what you've been saying:
>Instead of working to find a peaceful, negotiated political solution Canada’s government has once again taken its lead from the US and NATO, provoking the Russian Federation and ignoring Russia’s legitimate security concerns arising from NATO’s relentless Eastern expansion.This is basically whats being called "Putin shill" by the "both sides bad" camp.
We, the so called tankie Putin lovers, don't support an invasion, but guess what, the invasion already happened, so adapt or die.
No.539932
>>539924Liberals will then go on to say that capitalism isn't a dictatorship.
No.539933
>>539902Those anons did exist, literally just a few months ago. Only recently has the talk of inter-imperialist conflict, seen as universally agreed occurrence. I made a inter-imperialist conflict thread. Discussing 2 stances I describe as disconnectedist and inter-connectedist. I've been a disconnectedist, swift proved that the bourgeoisie work on a global level but are still regionally based. If the bourgeoisie where to be fully inter-connected, it would take a much more hegemonic bourgeoisie then we have now.
No.539934
>>539916Ok, i don't care that much about zizek to defend him, but i want to play the devil's advocate. What could have he possibly done? I mean if you don't defend ukraine you get ostracized by every possible istitution. He's an acadameic and a famous political commentator so he couldn't even stay silent about it even if he wanted to.
No.539940
>>539924its your fault for being a redditor
No.539941
>>539935Israel haven't actually said anything about it actually. Neither did Saudi Arabia. Yet even more slips from their grasps.
No.539942
>>539930>This is a pretty easy position to hold outside of a media environment like ours, which is so intensely polarizing that one cannot be anti-War without anything less than full-throated and unreserved condemnation of Putler, even though this blind rage is perhaps the most pro-War stance one can actually have, and there is indeed no actual anti-War stance that can exist.Exactly. Merely pointing out "legitimate security concerns" is enough to get you called a war mongering Putin shill.
I make no apologies. Fuck the imperialist bloc and the Nazis it promotes. Every single death, be it Russian or Ukrainian is a death that should be tallied to the US.
No.539943
>>539931>That you are an aspiring member, and not a member, for oneJoining the party is a process I only began recently.
>This isn't what you've been sayingActually it is. I have been saying all along that I consider NATO to be the primary aggressor, that the situation has gotten this bad mainly because of their expansion and refusal to deescelate, etc. However like the CPCa, I do not endorse the invasion.
>This is basically whats being called "Putin shill" by the "both sides bad" camp. Not by me. I only accuse people who support the invasion of being Putin shills. Both sides are bad, but I don't live in Russia and have no influence their government. As a revolutionary defeatist my duty is to hamper the imperialist efforts of my government, and any political actions I engage in will be towards this end. That doesn't mean I need to approve of the invasion.
No.539945
> On the situation in the Ukraine, the fascists will be split, as some will side with Ukraine and some side with Russia, thus potentially diluting any effect they could have on the anti-war movement. The Tankies on the other hand, participate in anti-war movements out of leftover Cold War allegiances to various countries (including Russia) and placing opposition to US imperialism above all else.
No.539948
>>539947“Mama, I’m no longer in Crimea – I’m not in training sessions,” the soldier reportedly wrote, after his mother asked why it had been so long since he responded.
“Mama, I’m in Ukraine. There is a real war raging here. I’m afraid. We are bombing all of the cities together, even targeting civilians. We were told that they would welcome us. They are falling under our armoured vehicles, throwing themselves under the wheels and not allowing us to pass. They call us fascists. Mama, this is so hard.”
No.539951
>>539946>le devil you knowThe devil you know is the one who's been harming you, if you've got to have a devil, might as well punish the one that's been harming you.
"No Vietnamese ever called me a uyghur" moment
No.539952
>>539947Whoa! I guess ukrainians can use phones too and take pictures amirite?
No.539953
>>539948>They are falling under our armoured vehicles, throwing themselves under the wheels and not allowing us to pass. They call us fascists. Mama, this is so hardAnd this is how I knew that these are some Ukrainians trolling the soldiers mother.
No.539957
>>539947screen is cracked? it must be real and not a low effort psyop
No.539958
>>539955Prove it is not
Stop spreading Goebbels-tier Nazi propaganda
No.539959
>>539938you are so gay for me
No.539961
>>539948>>539947>Complete media silence from deployed Russian forces>Except an unverifiable text message saying how sad the war crimes they're committing are making themyeah of course. makes sense.
No.539962
>>539956If Russian communists want to stop being controlled opposition cucks, I'm all for them doing what they can in their country.
No.539963
Some people have noticed that what is happening right now online is very similar to what happened during Covid, BLM, and before that Hong Kong (though that had less influence on the Home field, but if you were affected by it, was massive), where a feedback loop begins to happen, and all differences collapse into hysterical outrage and these extended moments of society-wide frenzy, which result in discarding long-held norms with no clear alternative in place, to solve some poorly defined problem in vaguely imagined ways.
This pattern happened multiple times int he last two years. It keeps happening.
No.539964
>>539945>out of leftover Cold War allegiances…. both Ukraine and Russia were USSR.
>>539946Read how Hernan Cortez conquered Mexico and defeated the Aztec Empire.
>>539947What did you expect?
No.539966
>>539954Poland and Romania will do enough for this not to matter.
No.539970
>>539551utopian vs scientific socialism
>>539884>Chinese do not feel strongly one way or another about a war between two countries in EuropeAnd this is why I find the western media's obsession with China's view on this habbening to be so fascinating. yeah, some of it is just glowie fearmongering about how this is a "test for the west over Taiwan" and just continuing the Goebells-esque propaganda campaign but theres also genuine interest in what the rising superpower has to say about it. Im not saying we've entered multipolarity yet but it's damn close.
No.539971
>>539966Are Poland and Romania allowing transit of arms through?
No.539974
>>539962Communists are doing well, they support denazification efforts
No.539976
>>539971Couldn't Moldova?
No.539978
>>539950And gay.
>>539955Burden of proof is on you retard. I fucked your mom last night, prove I didn't
No.539979
>>539944>don't play literally the only card you have???
What does the Fed know that we don't??
No.539980
>>539620If the bus driver is overthrown by anybody, it should be actual Marxists who'll expropriate the bourgeoisie and bring real revolution to Venezuela instead of his crony socdemism.
No.539981
>>539945>On the situation in the Ukraine, the fascists will be split, as some will side with Ukraine and some side with Russia, thus potentially diluting any effect they could have on the anti-war movement. The Tankies on the other hand, participate in anti-war movements out of leftover Cold War allegiances to various countries (including Russia) and placing opposition to US imperialism above all else.https://itsgoingdown.org/strategic-proposal-ukraine-rojava/>Filed under: Analysis, Anarchist Movement, Featured, WarInto the trash it goes.
No.539982
>>539977did they fucking just ambush a fucking family minivan with their pets
No.539983
I support the islamists
No.539986
>>539978>Burden of proof is on you retard. I fucked your mom last night, prove I didn'tYou'll dismiss all proof regardless, so I'll go play blackjack and fuck thots!
No.539987
>>539973Critically support russia against NATO and global liberalism.
No.539990
>>539977I'm just going to make up my own story about what happened here. Why not?
No.539991
>>539972If its your life on the line, you'd also be trigger happy. We've seen Ukrainians kill each other in droves because anxiety is so high.
Not surrendering is insanely cruel.
Crueler yet is arming civilians.
Even more so not letting people leave.
Even more forcing them to fight.
All because the Ukraine govt refused to take negotiations seriously for 8 years at the beheast of Nazis and NATO ghouls.
The blood is on their hands.
No.539993
>>539899They mask the lack of content.
No.539994
>>539979the importance of russian material in the global market
No.539995
>>539984Shaniqua…press up forward and assault that hardened Russian bunker!
Oh HELL naw! Dis vodak drinkin track suit wearin cheeky breeky ass mofo shoot muh WEAVE?!?!? OH HELL NAW!! ITS ON NOW Eyyye van!
No.539997
Can someone give me a QRD on today's frontline movements?
No.539999
>>539997Mariupol encircled, Kiev will be taken soon
No.540000
>>539984Do soldiers usually get fed better quality grub before war?
No.540001
>>539995reconsider how you use your time on this earth
No.540002
>>539996Retard read what I posted again. Follow the arguments. I'm not in favor of war, nor invasion.
No.540003
>>539997Russia suffered heavy loses, they are running out of fuel and ammunition. They are losing ground everywhere, Putin is slowly losing his sanity like Hitler in 45.
No.540004
>>539985the conductor of Kyiv
No.540005
>>539988We will never know for sure, the thing is, we have seen more ominous things don from the Ukrainian side to their own population, and their own soldiers, I wouldn't be surprised if they were just executed for leaving the city. Or some real marauder from the weapons going in…
No.540006
>>539985I am going to become the sabotaeur
No.540007
>>540002>Do as I say retard!No.
No.540008
>>540000no, the shit food is part of the heroism(TM) experience, if you want the new playstation and sweets you have to upgrade your gov contract to PMC
No.540010
Breaking
>Operators of Ukraine have disabled communication for phones with Russian numbers.
No.540011
>>5398599th gen has the ugliest starters ever, which is particularly bad becausse 8th gen had the coolesst starters ever.
>>539805Narrative seems to be the one thing at which everyone againsst Russia is united, mememagic-style. It's all very performatic. The PR battle is the crucial part of this war now, the Wesst went all in with its propaganda.
No.540013
>>540003>>804725the ukranian cope batalions are in full force today huh.
No.540014
>>539985Why do whites behave like this?
No.540015
>>540014they have a problem
No.540018
>>804725
>image shilling for george soros
go back
No.540020
>>539977There's a video of the shooting from inside the car in a thread or too back. I'll find it later.
No.540021
>>540014200 years of capitalism relegated me and my whole race to proletroglodyte status
No.540024
>>540020ah, bring it, to see if it is the same.
No.540025
>>540017I hope you grow 4 inches taller
No.540026
>>540017Did you make this? Very nice
No.540027
>>540017WHOEVER OF YOU ANONS MADE THIS I LOVE YOU
No.540028
>>540022
>That's why the USSR collapsed and Marxism-Leninism is a failure and always will be.
Oh yes, the USSR collapsed because people running USSR were stupid, not because of material reasons.
No.540031
>>540012I want a tacticool expert to explain to me the flaws with the Redditor's combat tips, it sounds good to me.
No.540032
>>540024100% is. Same car, same German shepherd (the one that lived), same blood spot where the driver died(?). Give me a sec, I'll show you
No.540033
>>540017excellent work anon
No.540034
>>540017Awesome, send it to the Russian MoD.
No.540035
I am reflecting now on the dismantlement of Cold War era US/Russian INF treaty, which was taken down by the US in order to (widely speculated and sometimes admitted) allow it to build prohibited armament to place them in Asia. Assuming, I suppose, there would never be a war in Europe again.
No.540038
While I'm in this thread where the attention is, allow me for a moment to derail it. What were the "Polish operations" and order 00485? Whats up with this alleged polish ethnic cleansing?
No.540039
>>539997From what I gather on reddit and twitter, Russian forces have been pushed back to Stalingrad, their lines are collapsing and Zelenksy is in the Iron Man suit and taking the fight to Putin himself.
No.540040
>>540038Nazi apologist, create a fucking thread
No.540042
NEW THREAD
>>804772
>>804772
>>804772
No.540045
>>540040I seriously have no idea about this, just want a quick answer I didn't want to waste a thread please anon!
No.540046
>>539941Israel started, but then Russia brought up the Golan Heights so they bitched out. SA realize they will make much more money off the oil hike by not submitting to NATO
No.540047
>>540045Read Grover Furr, there were actual Polish spies and saboteurs, Poland was by no means a nice country, they were expansionists aiming for the conquests in Europe. They have created a wide network inside the USSR to instigate anti-soviet uprisings and conquer Belorussia and the Ukraine.
No.540048
>>540022
>You tankies can't really take any contradiction
mald radlib, this is not voosh twitter cargo cult
> you act like spoiled children
we are the spoiled for not repeating Western media talking points and swallowing ukranian war propaganda that openly stated shit that did not happen as real like the fucking ghost of kiev.
>You just can't face the truth.
and you can't face the fact that the entire ukraine is being steamrolled, just three days in an war entire armies are being circled in maripol and their capital is under siege when russia is using just a 1/3 of they army power, so you just cope with these shit that is not based in anything other than denial.
>That's why the USSR collapsed
the ussr got couped and illegaly dissolved, not because what your projection of what ML is.
>Marxism-Leninism is a failure and always will be.
at least we did something in the world to fail and not what other opportunist ideologies that try to use the fall of the USSR to grow, which is nothing in their history, what ever is your snowflake ideology you never had a country to call your own so they call the only ideology that trully challanged capital in the world.
remember this, a failure did more for the world than an nothing like you.
No.540049
>>540017what the fuck, where did that voice over come from?
No.540050
Different videos from the same shootingDuring/immediate aftermath:
>>539113YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNCcxQaKxwWarning: a dying dog is heard crying in the background, a man is seen dying (?) on the pavement
After
>>539977Warning: dead dog, blood on the pavement
Running the title through a translator, we get: "In the Kiev region, Russian invaders killed a father in front of his son. Ivankov region."
Caption says: "Киевский Движ / Kiev Movement"
Ivankov/Ivankiv appears to be a small town of Kiev an 80 minute drive north of Kiev.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IvankivAny thoughts on what happened here?
No.540051
>>540050>Any thoughts on what happened here?This is fucked. What thoughts can I have?
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