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600 is the bump limit
Society has no respect for male innocence.
Youth adult males who are innocent and non-chalant are seen as more defective than thugs/delinquents
Be worldly but not violent
>>787671What do you mean by innocence
What do you mean by nonchalant
What do you mean by wordly
>>787664Bro's been boofing that colloidal silver.
>>787671Oh really? What about hetmoids?
>>788100Please call us haemorrhoid.
>>788152
I think people have issues with the raping, anon.
>>788076I am a bisexual leftist but balding. I need to muscle up, bald guys look terrible when skinny
>>788152
Listen, I don't know what your deal is, but rape and all other psychopath behavior is far more prominently associated with every single western army than with the Red Army. Western soldiers "coming back with wives" at the very best are facts of life right now. Israelis are raping Palestinian prisoners just for the hell of it right now before executing them. If you want a "based bronze age mindset" army, you can't do better than a bronze age larper army. That's not what we are and that's not what the Red Army ever was. Western experts are paid to produce anti-Russian "research" on an industrial scale, and they are extremely brazen with historical revisionism, as you know with the "kyiv" thing. Even when rape did happen, which was much rarer than western armies, it was never something to be proud of the way westerners are. That's just not the socialist way. Go back to twitter.
>>788201Idk man, like this anon on /leftypol/ has dropped arguments so sublime that it’ll cause your jaws to drop here
>>2826075Like, how do you debunk Naimark, Beevor, Gelfand, Grossman, etc…?
Guys I know it's hard but can we try and have some kind of positive conversation where we maybe give each other help/tips to improve or advice and that kind of thing?
I'M TIRED OF GETTING NO PUSSY
>>788251sure, what you do you need ?
>>788254Idk, my big problem right now is that my BF hasn't had a job for like 2 years and isn't trying very hard to get one, I've tried encouraging him and reminding him, I've even tried applying for stuff on his behalf but not had any luck with it. But it makes me angry to apply for him because I work full time.
>>788255Put your foot down, say something about your finances being hard and that you're not sure about the market for your job currently, so it would be good if he could work to secure the finances. People tend to be a bit more reactive when something is needed rather then simply desired.
>>788253Pussy ain't worth it to be honest. All virgins think it will improve their lives and fill that void in their life but it really doesn't and soon the constant nagging and demands caused by your gf will make you realize that sex is just the bait women dangle in front of men to get them to be their servants and it's much better to be single than to be like a trained dog.
>>788303Absolutely mindbroken slaves to capital. And the worst part is that they exported this shit culture to the rest of the planet.
>>788309I mean TBH, they are just describing how marriage has worked for most of human history
>>788303That chick might be happier if she just sluts around instead.
>>788260It’s more that people use sex and relationships as the ultimate maturity license
But yea the rest of your post is correct.
But what’s sad is that singlehood is seen as failure.
People show more respect towards dysfunctional married folk who physically and psychologically scar their own kids and spouses than towards self composed bachelors
>>788253me too, anon, me too.
I think my beautiful trans wife might be pregnant
>>788076alt women like alt guys, how surprising. my last girlfriend specifically had a thing for chubby nerds like me and she had one of the most amazing bodies i had ever seen in my life. the meaning of alt goes further than we tend to think.
i look like this and say this
>>788255Is your boyfriend the one that starts crying when you raise your voice? He sounds like that type of person.
>>788412More the type to just shut down, leave the room, etc.
>>788258I mean, I can't really pretend to be struggling, he knows I have 100 grand saved up, plus he is still paying his half of all the bills out of savings but I want him to be building a future with me not draining it.
>>788255>>788414Here's what I think. I believe I'm fairly similar to your boyfriend in the sense that I also dragged my feet at getting work in the long term and I also tend to walk away or shut down from time to time. Being out of work for a long period is boring and a bit isolating but also freeing. He probably likes that freedom especially with money but he's probably a bit bored although with a boyfriend he's probably less bored than someone with a partner. He's basically got everything why would he need to change? That's how I would feel. If you do put your foot down he may just look for a way to shut you up so he may just get a temporary or part time job. Which is better I suppose but in the long term it may wear you down since I assume you want him in a full time with benefits. He'll just have to decided when he needs to change but even he changes he's already felt that freedom that you sometimes get with neeting that's how I often feel now that I have a full time job. The only difference is he has the potential of losing you as a partner so that may encourage him a bit to stay on track. Maybe therapy might work I don't know.
>>788435I've suggested mental health stuff but he doesn't want to do anything like that. I think he is just comfortable being a NEET yeah but it can't last forever and that's not what I want. We rarely go out of the house and do stuff either.
I guess I just have to try and push him more even if it upsets him. I don't know what else to do.
>Sexless "relationship"
>Still get called sexy
>Get everything else EXCEPT actual sex
>Get told I should see others instead
>Still have old flings contact me wanting to hook up
>Doesn't understand I'm not interested in random hookups anymore and it just makes me feel gross and empty
>Have tried discussing the issue numerous times
>Have suggested seeing a doctor
>Considered it might have been drugs (weed) but quitting it made no difference
Considering calling it quits tbqfh fml
>>788460If you've really tried everything then yeah it's probably best to leave.
>>788311Untrue, because class mobility did not exist under feudalism or slave societies. If you were born a slave you stayed a slave. If you were born an aristocrat you stayed an aristocrat. If you were born a peasant you stayed as a peasant.
Yes, marriages for greater social status still happened, but since 99% of people were trapped in unchangeable roles, it meant that most people found partners without thinking about the material advantages it would give them, since those "advantages" were close to nil.
>>788495I think you're really underestimating how much economic considerations were a thing, from what I understand marriages were getting made over who had an extra cow, who has a bit of extra farmland, who sells a bit of extra stuff on the side and can afford a better dowry, et cetera.
>>788460Sounds like a nice problem to have
>>788570Not when we had more than a few long conversations about expectations from the very beginning. It's also hardly the only issue at this point.
It sucks because I tried to keep up the effort on my part, but I've stopped caring because it doesn't make any difference no matter what I do. (Paying the bills, doing the chores, being understanding? nope no difference)
I hate dating and feel like going from one relationship to the next makes every subsequent relationship less special and more 'transactional". And I don't feel like I can deal with another disappointment. Doubly sad because I feel I'm willing to put in a lot more effort and give a lot more space than what's usually expected.
I figured this time around having some difficult talks about expectations and where I was coming from would prevent this from happening yet again. But it didn't. And now I feel used (yet again) because I was very upfront about what I wanted and expected.
>>788303Kanye might be a loon now but he was right when he said WE WANT PRENUP
>>788076arthoes are into nerdy wealthy guys tbh
>>788255You’re boyfriend is a NEET reserve army of labour chad btw
I dream of having a pixie manic dream girl-like girlfriend but do everything possible to scare away women
Feminism does not apply to and you cannot be misogynistic toward
>Bourgeois women
>Right wing women
>racist/transphobic/homophobic women
>Pedophilic women
>>789731>The powers that be are anti-malelike donald trump and jeffrey epstein
>organized groups of men overthrow tyrantssometimes, they are also sometimes the tyrants
> while organized groups of women simp for themsometimes
>Men will as a whole work towards equality while women will work for inequality and stratification so they can be on top, like crabs in a bucket.just because you think so doesn't make it true
>>789772bruh the average man isn't allat
how's this any diffrent from saying the male gaze only wants big titted sydney sweenies and those who enjoy it never saw a real woman?
>>789772Damn I wish I was 8ft tall.
>>789830nah you don't, unless its with knee joints that will never give in or a heart that's strong for years, and a body type that actually looks lean
then yeah, wish i was a two massai tall
>>789772cute picture.
>>789830Sounds like living hell honestly, you'll never be able to fit in anyway.
>>789830he's normal size, the woman is just a autopedo like most women and fantasize about being a child while getting fucked
>>789876Lose weignt and maybe dude would want to date you, fattie.
>>787661Imagine a blow job from Mileena?
>>789062Dating is optional, it’s not essential for your livelihood. You can check out at any time.
>>789691Same goes for Internet and porn and other things that society wanna restrict young people from
>>789063I ain’t saying she’s a gold digger
But she ain’t messing with no broke ass uygha
>>789908Those are her fetishes though.
>>789912short men really losing their shit on the most random of images.
Are we talking about our own fetishes now? My ones are samodivi, kukeri (if it's a woman dressed up) and having cucumbers shoved up my *you know what*.
>>789772i imagine that a man looking a this picture feels the way that a woman might feel looking at an anime picture of a woman with comically oversized breasts
>>789830>wish i was 8 feet tallI'm 5 foot 8 btw
>>789918no one is even talking about fetishes, just short dude and fat women whining about some chick making a cute drawing of her with a big boyfriend. It's very pathetic.
>>789772id fuck them both
>>789924They're probably better off doing something productive like a full-scale proletarian revolt
>>789921This
>>789913Nah. Stop with this strawmen. Especially since society mocks short men far too much
>>789929their idea of a full scale proletarian revolt is a school shooting.
>>789931It is more profound than a school shooting. It is the overthrow of bourgeois oligarchs by the proletariat by whatever means necessary. Most mass shooters are rightists.
>>789930Oh god, every fucking infrastructure in the world is adapted to you, how many tall men die every day because the world isn't big enough for them ? Tall men have a much lower life expetency then short men, but you never fucking hear about that now do you.
But I guess that some women like to imagine their imaginary boyfriends as being tall, so that makes up for it.
Get a fucking grip, grow a pair.
>>789932These kinds of people view the bourgeois as being tall men and short women, while they view the proles as being short guys and fat women. They're just as petty as their right wing equivalent.
>>789939>>789941So the drawing she did isn't fetish art and you're losing your mind over some random chick having a tall bf ?
>>789949Not everything you disagree with is "bait" I assure you that most people, even short ones, aren't into some self loathing ideology.
>>789939>>789941Does this chick have nudes?
>>789952its more than disagree, this thing you spoke is just turning a blind eye to reality
you're extremely delusional if you think the world is ever catered to short guys, and not just romance, but perception of your worth aswell
the taller you are the more you're perceived in a good manner. or taken seriously, literally name when was the last time you saw somone bullied for being tall with genuine loath
the only thing i can see as a setback on being tall is joint pain or not finding things that suit your size, not fitting in a seat which, taller people complaining all the time about airplane seat's funny to me, it implies you have enough money to travel at all that its a geniune problem to you..so of course many would think being taller is like a status raiser
>These kinds of people view the bourgeois as being tall men and short womenhard for that perception to go away when your average US president is 6 foot and over, or keeps lying and adding inches, and those in leadership positions short? napoleon? putin? stalin? being short's like the one thing people keep bringing up casually in a negative light about as if its related or a reason for badness
you don't have to be in a rabbit hole or hate yourself to see this is an actual prejudice that unlike race, is casually adressed in men as a card of your worth
>>789959The world litterally caters to short people in concrete material terms, how many tall people die in freak accidents every day ? Fuck in cars, Most aren't adapted to tall people, you talk about joints, but its not just that, it's straight up dangerous, short people don't have to worry about this.
and wtf do I care about american president being taller, americans in general are tall, Macron is under average and so is Starmer , that one Irish president was ridiculously short, Zelensky, Modi and Putin are short.
I think only Merz is very tall, at nearly 2 meters. Lot more short leaders then redhead ones, mind you.
For Napoleon and Putin, people put in contrast their physical traits in charicatures in order to mock them, the same thing happen to litterally every physical traits, you think it doesn't happen to tall leaders ? Have you ever seen a charicature. I've never seen anyone mock Stalin for his height btw
It's probably slightly easier for tall men to exert charisma, but that doesn't make them bourgeois and neither does it prevent them from being mocked and insulted, you never heard of the term "lanky" before ?
In any case, it certanly doesn't justify obsessing over a random chick because her boyfriend is taller then her, thats just weird shit to do.
>>789959If short women are bourgeois and fat women are proles in their narrow viewpoint, what about tall women?
>>789962this is gonna be a long fat text, because im wordy like that and high and why not, i wanna say it
>how many tall people die in freak accidents every day ? Fuck in cars, Most aren't adapted to tall people, you talk about joints, but its not just that, it's straight up dangerous, short people don't have to worry about this.aye, yes, i understand that and it can make sense, especially pehaps blue collar, and damn industrial factories, but you best understand its not exactly sunshines when you're shorter, there's finding a job in the first place, where i live they absolved a man from retail, and im not kidding, because he's 168 and they need more "presentable" cashiers.
not to mention work where you have to be physically capable..and tall to be accepted at all.
remember the concept of height is on prespective, you might think the world is made for the short, but you gotta admit there's even short, for short! anything under 5'5..or straight up 5'3. 5'1. can't see those doing things or finding clothes as well, if not operating machinery
>americans in general are tallwell…5'9 isn't that tall appearantly today, there's an inflation of what a tall person is, and so many people lying about height than ever, always trying to reach 6'0 as the zone of "im worthy of praise, of masculinity" and even then i seen girls straight up think that's an average height and 6'5 is a "real man's height" and six feet as the basic requirement.
>obsessing over a random chick because her boyfriend is taller then her, thats just weird shit to do.alas, its never just a random chick anon, its almost seen as all chicks, the default expectation and attraction for women, and a genuine thing to mock a man for, look for yourself, from female oriented books where the love attraction's always pretty tall in the 182 and above, to "this is the height diffrence i deseve" to "taller than me in heels or bust", saw a girl excuse a BF beating her because he's a head taller once.
this stuff exists so much, that of course people, men in general will notice and feel this ick, if you're not born this bone density, you are worthy of mock, better yet i'll excuse for people with that privilige online, again if height's genes, how's it diffrent from race…dating is terrible all together, so to know as a man (who already don't really appeal to most women) this is what they like, and your own flesh isn't enough…of course self hate will spread.
>you never heard of the term "lanky" before ?i did.
absolutely, but i almost hear it too rarely, or almost like a try-hard to hit somone, not a collective joke you should own up for.. so much so it was like a year ago at this point
you know what i heard about shorter dudes though?
among us sized
labubu sized
goblins
not a real man
should transition
will not be loved (yep, just like that, but it was an outdoor "interview", you know the kind, small mic outside bars at night)
and these are all almost frequent
i try hard to get your point, but believe me when i say im seeing people treat shortness in men, almost like cholera. not a trait to be okay with, and on top of it, you should just "own it" with the jokes….as if i told you to own being called lanky or palm tree. its just stupid right?
>>789975i don't even believe short women are bougie anon, even among the women in workplaces or society itself, its tall girls that actually appear dominant or charismatic as much as short ones…they just don't have that expectation as much, and (probably not) don't call each other with insults like manlet, or "little girl". if they do its not as agressive or open.
overweight women? yeah i can see them as the ass of a joke, almost as much as short men if not more, landwhale, all that stuff
but at the very least they got a net protecting them (well, atleast in normie spaces) from just getting called fat by men, not sure about by women…instead its plus sized, or a BBW. love bbws…but there's no such language policing on men that happened to be born short, you just gotta shut up about it, even if you're 5'6.
>>789992>He's 6'5It's over.
>>789982> where i live they absolved a man from retail, and im not kidding, because he's 168 and they need more "presentable" cashiers.I'm not arguing that there are no difficulties for being smaller and I guess some jobs reject smaller people, but a lot less danger in society in general from being tall. I've never been comfortable in a car as an adult, and I am more likely to die in a car accident. Consider that things are generally adapted to the average of the population (women+men) and therefore even a shorter man is in the average of the population as a whole.
>remember the concept of height is on prespective, you might think the world is made for the short, but you gotta admit there's even short, for short! anything under 5'5..or straight up 5'3. 5'1. can't see those doing things or finding clothes as well, if not operating machinerySure, people with dwarfism have a hard life, but it's not what I mean by short, for me short is like 160-175 height,
>even then i seen girls straight up think that's an average height and 6'5 is a "real man's height" and six feet as the basic requirement.Thats entirely because men on dating apps lie about their height, there are less then 1% of people above 6'5, most will never meet someone this tall. In term of actual height, people still consider 6' tall when they see it. My brothers are quite short (173), but I have never seen anyone tell them they were less then men because of it, and they never had problems find dates. I'm sure it's different on dating apps, but it's not a tall vs short thing, it's more that dating apps promote the most petty and random of criterias because you can't tell much of someone from a picture and vague descriptions. with a lot of dating online, I understand that it's harder for short people to date now. But turning the blame to women as a whole and tall guys is just odd.
>alas, its never just a random chick anon, its almost seen as all chicks, the default expectation and attraction for women, and a genuine thing to mock a man for, look for yourself, from female oriented books where the love attraction's always pretty tall in the 182 and above, to "this is the height diffrence i deseve" to "taller than me in heels or bust", saw a girl excuse a BF beating her because he's a head taller once.Except that in this case it litterally was just a random woman with a tall boyfriend, she seemingly did have a tall boyfriend and just drew that.
Sure, the ideal imaginary boyfriend is tall for a lot of women, but what exacly do you think the ideal girlfriend is for a lot of dudes ? Big breasted, large ass, whatever else, at some point thats how it is. As for the girlfriend excusing his BF, thats probably just some desperation to justify a shitty situation she's in.
>absolutely, but i almost hear it too rarely, or almost like a try-hard to hit somone, not a collective joke you should own up for.. so much so it was like a year ago at this pointYou'be surprised, if you're taller then your peers in school and you're not very atheletic you're likely to be mocked about it
>i try hard to get your point, but believe me when i say im seeing people treat shortness in men, almost like cholera. not a trait to be okay with, and on top of it, you should just "own it" with the jokes….as if i told you to own being called lanky or palm tree. its just stupid right?People are going to be shitty and laugh at you if they don't like you, I mean look at all the shit redheads gets, if anything I've heard more jokes about redheads then short people, yet I don't see redheads be sad and bitter about it.
It's more then jokes for tall people, tall people who are tall are seen as threatning, both by short men with a complex, some genuinly starting shit with me because I'm tall to prove their ego or whatever. But also by a lot of women, you'd be shocked at the ammount of a time woman avoid me when walking in the streets, in general if you're tall you're seen as being more aggressive and violent, some people said some very cruel things about me in the guise of self defense, that I don't they"d have said if I were a short guy.
>>789934
>how many tall men die every day because the world isn't big enough for themNot enough
>>789962>The world litterally caters to short people in concrete material termsIn truth it caters to average height people and people who are abnormal in height wether that be being short or tall are at risk of infrastructure that isn’t are made for them. I.E. Tall people having to buy for expensive clothing, not being able to enter certain places, cars not being made for people with dwarfism etc.
You also have to take dating into account where taller men are considered more attractive and shorter women women are generally considered more attractive, but preferences for women’s height are less extreme.
>you never heard of the term "lanky" beforeLanky specifically imply tall AND skinny and it doesn’t always have a negative connotation.
>>789761that birthed the bourgeois class
>like donald trump and jeffrey epstein????
>just because you think so doesn't make it trueseeing's believing, dipshit
>>790047Yes, but since the average height of the men is higher then women, this means that the average height of the population as a whole corresponds to the height of a smaller man.
I guess you could argue that its less likely to fit for smaller women tho.
Obviously people with dwarfism aren't in a good position either.
Bar dating apps choosing the most random of issues, there isn't that big of an importance for height in real life dating, plenty of short guys gets girlfriends and wives, and honestly, i'd rather be short then a redhead in dating (I'm neither)
Idk, Lanky is the anglophone term, but in france we use " grosse perche" (big rod) to insult tall people, it's never been a positive. you're right that it's mostly for skinny and tall people.
>>789992Incels would probably like how chudded the country is, but they'd get fucking shanked.
t. work with pinoys
>>790126By the men or the women?
>>789691>I know that seggs wouldn't really do much to improve my material conditionssexo is actually a little bit downstream from material conditions, i'd say
>>789883monkeypaw moment where you enter a loving relationship with a nice girl and you grow fat together (which is usually the case for long term relationships), you lose the spark and you fantasize about fucking an arthoe you met years ago after a mutual friend introduced you, and she was obviously into you because you were a well-paid developer working on fintech but knew enough foucalt to have the obama gimmick work in your favor, but you were never brave enough to actually ask her out, that's your life now.
>>789939Looks more like she's very short tbh
>>789934Are you on the rag today anon?
>>790153girls love when your hand covers their entire face
>>790156I think I set him off with my attempt at a joke about that chicks fetishes.
>>789962Again, short men are viewed more negatively and often have to use stepladders or whatever to get to high places.
And that anon is right. Short men are patronized a lot.
The fact that you’re acting like this tells me that you’re not really looking at the problem.
But of course when women are mocked/patronized for aesthetic/physiognomic flaws there’s a lot of sympathy that’s given
>>789962>The world litterally caters to short people in concrete material terms, how many tall people die in freak accidents every day ?either you are freakishly tall or you are unable to comprehend than when anyone says "short" they mean "shorter than average". of course the world will "in concrete material terms" cater to the average. because it's the fucking average, this is so self-evident it's stupid to point this out.
>>790160I'm not talking about people with dwarfism
No ones gives sympathy to women who are ugly, idk in what world you live.
>>790163The average includes women, anon. ta short man is often average in terms of height of the whole population. I'm not even freakishly tall, just normal regular tall, (186cm) and I've always been uncomfortable everywhere, the worst being cars.
>>790057>Bar dating appsWhy would you exclude dating apps? They are very important in modern dating, studies show that 10% of all partnered adults met their partner online, and 20% for those under 30, 39% of straight couples who met in 2017 met online. 27% of couples who married in 2024 met on dating apps.
so it’s only getting more important.
https://www.connectedcouples.app/blog/how-couples-meet-statistics >>790419More then I thought. Nonetheless, there is a difference between dating apps and meeting online.
But for dating apps, the issue with them is that they select for the most petty of traits, I wonder what are the stats for male redheads on them for exemple.
I just think they should be banned, it's a disgusting reflexion of the liberalisation of everything in society, including romance, since may 68. I think they're pretty much solely responsible for both the rise of "slut feminism" and incel ideology. They've only worked to make tensions between the sexes larger.
I don't think they reflect how people date in real life, people tend to be a lot less stingy with people in real compared to behind a screen.
>>790409> No ones gives sympathy to women who are ugly, idk in what world you live. They do.
Society is more defensive of womens self image than mens
>>790487>listing masculine as a negative traitNgmi
Being hairy and broke I can sympathize with though
>>790487It is what it is. Hair can be cut, age is just a number, and not being poor should be your main goal in life anyways. Focus on sorting your cash out first.
>>790420> I don't think they reflect how people date in real life, people tend to be a lot less stingy with people in real compared to behind a screen.My sweet summer child
People are just as stingy in meatspace as they are in cyberspace but they’re not gonna be outright about it because they don’t wanna be accused of discrimination.
Also I remember as a kid watching talk shows or listening to radio shows about women talking about immediate turn-offs for them in dating, a lot of which seems more petty.
Or even overhearing female convos about dating preferences.
> I just think they should be banned, it's a disgusting reflexion of the liberalisation of everything in society, including romance, since may 68. I think they're pretty much solely responsible for both the rise of "slut feminism" and incel ideology. They've only worked to make tensions between the sexes larger. Romantic love was alot more discriminatory before May 1968
Men were rejected for not being in a prestigious families/universities
Women were divorced so that men could find a sugar baby.
If anything, love nowadays being de-liberalized with the “puriteen” epidemic and whatnot
Besides, the “liberalization “ of love you’re referring to was a boomer fad. It went out of fashion by the Reagan era
>>789772I wish fujoshis would draw their pretty men having their feet and/or pecs worshipped
>>790497>Romantic love was alot more discriminatory before May 1968 Men were rejected for not being in a prestigious families/universities Women were divorced so that men could find a sugar baby.This wasn't true in working class families. Families and traditional communities tended to operate as a system of support outside capitalism, may 68 put an end to this, marking the advance of capitalism in the last remnant of the previous order.
>Besides, the “liberalization “ of love you’re referring to was a boomer fad. It went out of fashion by the Reagan eraNot really, just look at how widely avaible and popular porn, casual sex, dating apps are. The "puriteen" stuff is overstated, never has the youth watch so much pornography, the decline in sexual relationships is because of the decline in relations in general. If anything, this is another step in the liberalisations of relationships as now tech compagnies even controls the way people meet each other.
I'm not arguing that people weren't vain before, but dating apps has institutionalised it, they've promoted it, and they've made it the sole criteria in those apps.
I've met plenty of people who were ugly, short, and still managed to get a similarly wealthy girlfriend or boyfriend. But this can't happen online.
I don't think traditional values were perfect, but we live in a era where individualism, selfishness and capitalism is promoted as moral, by both the cultural right and left. they just appeal to women and men differently.
>>790522Why do you use May 1968 as demarcation?
Also, “puriteen” is overstated but it’s a real thing. Although most of these puriteens are beyond pubertal age
There’s been hostility towards porn, especially cartoon porn.
Young people have less sexual relationships due to stranger danger and me too.
Also:
>I've met plenty of people who were ugly, short, and still managed to get a similarly wealthy girlfriend or boyfriend. But this can't happen online.Those people you listed are outliers.
The “free love” movement was a farce. It needed in the Reagan era
Half the shit that happened back then would be considered grooming in the post-2012 cultural climate
>I don't think traditional values were perfect, but we live in a era where individualism, selfishness and capitalism is promoted as moral, by both the cultural right and left. they just appeal to women and men differently.Traditional values were just the village elders being the executive branch of aesthetics
Nowadays it’s the commoner who is the executive branch of aesthetics
>>790527I'm French and French people are generally taller then average
In any case
7-9% isn't that small of a minority, when people see me they see that i'm tall, but they aren't shocked about it either. You've seen plenty of people that tall in your life, I assure you.
>>790532>Why do you use May 1968 as demarcation?It's a symbolic event of the triumph of liberalism over traditions, of americanism over french nationalism, and of the free market over state controlled economies.
It's essentially the date that marked the final triumph of Liberalism in France, those mouvement then extended to the rest of the West. It's just a great representation of the changes in the world culturally in the afterwar era.
>Young people have less sexual relationships due to stranger danger and me too.Both of those things (well less me too, but more so paranoia of women towards men) are a result of the weakening in social links with the end of traditional communities.
>Those people you listed are outliers.doubt so, historically most people ended up being married and having children. You didn't have incels/femcels back then.
>Traditional values were just the village elders being the executive branch of aesthetics Nowadays it’s the commoner who is the executive branch of aestheticsNot just that tho, the old system allowed for the creation of communities to work together with each other, where you met others and then eventually made a life with them. You didn't live isolated in a bubble, like many do nowadays. Communities are dead and the individual rule supreme, that was the promise of mau 68, thats the world we live in now.
>>790536>>790527Also older men tend to be shorter, so the percentage of tall men in young womens are dating pool is higher than that.
>>790547Nitwit pop-science explanation aside, alternative between hot and cold does highlight the emotional experience. Hardly a novel observation.
>>790547This sounds like post facto advice to justify shit a crazy bitch would already want to do
>>790545>doubt so, historically most people ended up being married and having children. You didn't have incels/femcels back then.Marriage back then was utilitarian
>Not just that tho, the old system allowed for the creation of communities to work together with each other, where you met others and then eventually made a life with them. You didn't live isolated in a bubble, like many do nowadays. Most communities were small and tightknit.
>>790487none of those things are stopping you from finding someone that likes you
>>790569His (her?) mom probably likes them.
>>790487At you age masculine starts being a plus, and hairy can be easily fixed. Poor on the other hand becomes a black mark on your soul, try to fix it asap.
>>789772This but we're both guys and I'm on the right.
beautiful lady😍🥰
>>790573The truth is
>The social contract is broken >men are being actively excluded from employment AND dating>Men are actively being excluded societyIt's no secret that men are "dropping out" of the workforce and dating at record rates. Them "giving up" implies it's their choice. Nobody chooses to be loveless, jobless, and broke. Men want to work. They're just not letting us except at Taco Bell or Amazon for $17/hr, while being told "the future is female" and seeing "women encouraged to apply" on every job posting.
When women are homeless, society says they're "less fortunate". But when normal men struggle, suddenly it's a "skill issue" or "natural selection." Men are constantly gaslighted. Yet misogynistic men have no trouble dating.
The education system is gynocentric from pre-K to PhD. Women earn 40% more doctorates and nearly twice as many master's degrees. Med school, law school, vet school, all majority female. And despite male applicants having higher test scores, women are accepted at much higher rates. That's not "men opting out."
Most women won't date a man less successful than her. So as women's status rises and men's falls, fewer men meet their standards. Women don't have to lower them either they get validation from Tinder, emotional support from therapists, intimacy from any bar on any night. They don't need a real partner.
What problems in your life do you think women are to blame for?
>>790755A woman gave birth to me.
>>790760rest assured, I'll never forgive her for that.
>>790497>“puriteen” epidemicI wonder if I posted my opinions I'd be called a puriteen, even though I'm so old I remember when online dating was a thing everyone laughed at. What kind of pathetic nerd loser would get dates off the computer? LOL
>>790765still true today…
>>790765Most puriteens are usually above pubertal age anyway.
But your opinions about online dating wouldn't be labelled as such
>>790791chudification is inevitable, retard
>>790808>>790817"Chud" is just a slur to put down male cynicism nowadays.
It use to mean actual frivolous chauvinism
Now it's just used to put down men for not conforming to popular opinionz
incels will literally reject a 10/10 confessing their love to them for being a "roastie past her expiration date" then proceed to cry online about le hecking loneliness epidemic
>>791766holy strawman
anyway has anyone here had success sex touring in asia? I'm seriously considering it as my last remaining option for finding a life partner.
>>791770>anyway has anyone here had success sex touring in asia? I've chimed in here before about fucking hookers. As for some background, I have fucked hookers in about 10 different countries over the span of about 3 years. I've spent maybe 15k USD during that period, and at some points was fucking at least one a week. I basically have a doctorate in fucking hookers.
I can attest that it is extremely emotionally unfulfilling and addicting, and you definitely shouldn't seek out a sex workers to be your partner. I'm saying this as someone who's fallen for maybe 5 sex workers to varying degrees before. It's a stupid path that men have been going on literally forever, like there's century old books about this shit.
Even outside of dating them, just mongering isn't that great. Yes, you get to occasionally fuck hot women, but that's actually not even all that common as most sex workers are pretty mid, if not outright undesirable. And attractive sex workers tend to be expensive and give poor service. Last time I was in SEA, I saw maybe 3 or 4 sex workers over the span of like 5 months. One of them I didn't even finish with because the service was so bad, and another I kicked out for using fake pictures. She still felt entitled to being paid btw, as most act like their literal presence is enough to justify being paid. Most sex workers are sex workers for a reason. Typically because they lack the character to work a real job, yet feel entitled to nice things. This trait makes them terrible partners.
Everything below is just a rant:
Anyway, outside of call girls, I visited a ton of lady bars and massage parlors, most of the workers are old (35+), fat, and/or ugly. They really look worse than the average woman you see in the street, which tracks when you consider the lives they live. Late nights binge drinking, eating like shit, never exercising, etc. And personality wise, a lot are just unpleasant. A large part of this is because they're working on a script and are just going through the motions. I used to enjoy paying for their drinks to talk to them as essentially shameless therapy, and you can eventually learn their tradecraft pretty easily.
But, ignoring STDs (always use a condom btw, I've only caught shit when not using condoms), it's extremely unsanitary. A lot of sex workers, especially attractive ones, take an assembly line of dick every working day. I recall trying to see one a few months back and cancelling when she tried to get me to adjust my appointment because she just scheduled another to fuck her. I've also had sex workers tacitly mention fucking a guy before me, and I've run into guys coming in after me. It's honestly disgusting and is rarely mentioned in mongering spaces. Going further with this, since they essentially fuck anything, you're sharing them with unsanitary thirdies and ugly old fat white guys. Shit's not cash money.
As for poor service, I've probably lost out on 1k over the years because a lot of hookers deliberately give out trash sex, outright refuse service after taking money, use fake pictures and pressure you into sex (rape), short time you, upcharge you, etc. It's really not that great, it's just dealing with women through a different means. And don't even get me started on their egos sometimes.
Ngl though, fucking hookers is fun as hell at first, especially if alcohol is involved. I've got a few go to memories I still jerk off to, but every time I think about doing it now I just remind myself that most encounters aren't worth it and then I fuck my sex toy while watching JAV.
>>791801But a lot of JAV actresses I see also work at hostess bars and do sex work on the side. How would I go about getting the quality sex workers, particularly in Japan or China or Korea?
>t. my life's goal is fucking Yura Kana in the ass >>791805>But a lot of JAV actresses I see also work at hostess bars and do sex work on the sideIs that true or a video trope? I've never mongered there, but from my understanding Japan and Korea tend to have a lot of SEA sex workers. And they often lie about being East Asian (they even do this outside of East Asia). Similarly, African girls lie about being Caribbean, or even American lmao.
But I don't believe there's a hard correlation because price paid and quality of sex. Echoing how it's just dealing with women through a different means, if a hooker finds you attractive, she'll give you good service. If she doesn't, she won't. The best sex I've had with sex workers were with sex workers that would've fucked me for free in different circumstances. Not even joking.
It's such a blackpill, but having a good time with hookers requires either a minimum level of attractiveness or delusion.
I wouldn't deliberately seek out high end sex workers. I think Thailand is fine enough, but you shouldn't have unrealistic expectations. Even if you do fuck a really hot hooker, it's fleeting. Realistically, the best outcome is to find a bar girl to be your travel companion for like a week and tour the country together.
>>791801Are you the guy who took a year long sabbatical to go to Thailand who fucks hookers and really likes Asian women? You're the one that got his phone number published on an escort site right? Are you the same guy or are you two different guys?
>>791812>>791812>a lot of professional actresses are fucking random men under an alias and then these random men upload/sell the filmsI always assumed those videos were just a genre in themselves. I have no idea how that works, but it seems like an uphill battle.
>>791813you're probably right, but I will continue to dream anyway. at the very least you can get a massage from some of them at real soaplands. getting sex might be a matter of your personal rizz/how much money you offer them.
The male loneliness epidemic buckbroke most people online so hard that im hearing everything from it's all made up psychop to it's because of bottled feelings in men just go to a therapist/ it's blown out of proportion not that bad/men are not lonely ENOUGH till they curb their chudness/it's real but actually "both sides be lonely"/ it's all a lack of money and no parks to it's good because all those whinning are chuds who want 10/10 sex slaves/ actually not all men get to breed stay rotting ugly, skill issue. / It's real but they are all nazi misogynist chuds has to be the sole reason.
And everything in-between.
Sad stuff
>>791842That's because deep down we all hold the believe that women issues are society issues while men issues are non-issues, it's just different ways to express that same sentiment.
>>791843Its revolting. My pal literally celebrated his birthday with a sandwich and a candle in his porche alone, didn't even invite me i stumbled by accident. Hell didn't even look like he's embracing solitude
Are you gonna tell me he's a chud loser too?
>>791766This didn't happen. Chuds would love it if it did but that's not reality.
>>791842>it's real but actually "both sides be lonely">it's all a lack of money and no parksHow is that wrong? I would add a
>it's the phones, phone badand it would describe the situation pretty well.
>>791848Probably because if there was an equally loneliness plague affecting women, it would have been openly talked about and adressed directly everywhere, the problems named and the solutions trending. That's how it always been
And both sides implies both are struck with the same expectations and the same rates of loneliness far wide, if there was we wouldn't even be calling it a male loneliness epidemic in the first place online, or discrediting that name as just chuds angry they can no longer opress women which i almost hear at this point… next to chopped male epidemic
>Lack of money and parksI guess but I don't see it so.. you're telling me developed countries don't have enough money to raise children? Because if we talk children. Not the epidemic itself, then get it… but money contributing to lack of intimacy can only happen if you're expected to only date with money in hand, only socialize and meet new people so long you got the 401k first, that it's all transactional afterall
>it's the phones, phone badMaybe if you mean doomscrolling and having dumb absolute expectations for the other sex and the ideal partner yacht haver or hourglass-born.
>>791853>if there was an equally loneliness plague affecting women, it would have been openly talked about and adressed directly everywhereThe male loneliness pandemic is only ever discussed with one very specific kind of man in mind. Most men don't put any attention on this problem of theirs and neither do women. It's a personal issue for most people and an embarrassing one at that. It's kinda respectable that chuds have the balls and disrespect for "polite society" to make others talk about their issues, though the methods they choose are objectionable (shooting tens of innocents is bad).
>but money contributing to lack of intimacy can only happen if you're expected to only date with money in hand, only socialize and meet new people so long you got the 401k first, that it's all transactional afterallOr if you lack the social network that allowed the youth to have fun without money in the first place. It's one thing to have a trashy house party with the lads you already know, maybe invite some new people, and another to open a relationship with a person you have nothing in common with yet that way.
>Maybe if you mean doomscrolling and having dumb absolute expectations for the other sex and the ideal partner yacht haver or hourglass-born.No, I mean the collapse of the way people used to just hang out. It's severely damaged by the fact that most people just stick their head into the phone at the first opportunity now.
>>791862>>791853>>791848>>791842>>791843I think a major factor that’s left out of this discussion is the dismissal of friendship
I really believe that the real reason why it’s difficult to find relationships isn’t because of phones or unrealistic expectations of the opposite sex as much as that people look down on friendship as some juvenile phase to grow out of.
Have you ever noticed that friends are always portrayed in a negative light?
They’re always portrayed as bad influences or just pitiful losers to be tolerated
A lot of disciplinary media often talks about friends as covert saboteurs.
>>792090Yet irony is, friendship is the gateway to having a social life especially when helping to get lucky
>>792090I think we are currently witnessing the absorption of friendship by neoliberalism in the same way we witnessed the absorption of love. There's this discourse that's been going around about "emotional labor" which basically means being there to support a friend emotionally, the solution to this evil problem of wanting to have deep conversations with someone is to seek a commercial service (therapy) instead of burdening people around you with your emotional self. So in the same way that approaching someone with romantic intentions is now frowned upon outside of the commercial services (dating apps) available, it is starting to happen with approaching someone with the intention of talking about our problems.
But if all that is left is shallow conversations, what is the difference between a friend and just someone sharing a space with you?
>>792116Maybe anti natalism isn’t such a bad idea after all. If this is how social relations are gonna be, what’s the point of making new life in society?
Just let it burn and ash to the ground
>>792121>for real the moment i saw a vid of a 6'5 bouncer admitting to wearing shoe insoles to be 6'7 to '8, on camera, and that its for girls and his job, i knew americans were fucked. either be my fantasy or be moggable trashThis just sounds like a complex about himself, I assure you that at that height no one notices it, what even is the percentage of the population at 6'5 ?
>>792121Shit I should get some elevator shoes too and I'm 6'2" I see too many guys around my height.
>>792125Brah why would you care about height inflation at that rate? Isn't above the six number supposed to be average? Normal?
>>792132And by normal i mean tall enough obviously
>>792132He has a complex about his height, it's like those extremly skinny girl thinking they're fat.
>>792132If anything he should be concerned about being freakishly tall.
>>792135>extremely skinny girl thinking she's fatPeople are just willing to pay thousands for cosmetic surgery (and become broke) or cheaper just to look fuck-ugly later on. The improved appearance is short-term with cosmetic surgery
>>792157Cosmetic surgery doctors are disgusting, they'd prey on people's bad image of themselves to make a bit more money, doctor isn't even badly paid as a job. Cosmetic surgery should be banned.
>>792132I'm 39 and have been out on 1 date (in 2017). Clearly I am not enough. But I'm not willing to surhically break my bones or blast Tren. Just increasing a small advantage in a easily reversable manner doesn't seem like a bad idea.
>>792163isn't that just privileging people that are naturally attractive
>>792163exactly, it is a waste of money and you can improve your life by going on a diet, showering and sleeping well
>>792157>The improved appearance is short-term with cosmetic surgerynah sometimes it actually works
i want to fuck this vapid youtube zoomette so fucking bad dude
>>792170Most people doing plastic surgery aren't even ugly, they've just got self image issues, people shouldn't destroy their faces and bodies over this.
Also there is a shortage of doctors, rather have them do something usefull.
>>792174Nobody cares about who you want to fuck, that woman is going to suffer in a few years, her face is probably already hurting.
>>792174i dont get how this is attractive
>>792177>Nobody cares about who you want to fuck, that woman is going to suffer in a few years, her face is probably already hurting.lol wheres the proof. and yes everyone cares about who they want to fuck and being fuckable come on
anyways, yes obviously some plastic surgery is fucking awful like buccal fat removal and other retarded trends but overall it's a good way to look better/younger, if i had tons of money i would maybe get some proceedures
>>792183It's not about being good looking , it's about destroying yourself physicial to mold yourself into someone you're not because you have complexes, seriously, that woman look about normal before, now she looks like a plastic doll. She's not happier after this.
>>792177>Nobody cares about who you want to fuck, that woman is going to suffer in a few years, her face is probably already hurting.she only got eyelid surgery I don't think she's gonna suffer that much. she might kill herself though she seems way too selfish to live a long life.
>>792191I used to think like this but then I stopped being naturally youthful and now I get it. It's totally normal to want to be attractive
>>790547>>790552Too real, I don't know the chemistry behind it, but it's more like a gambling addiction with sex. The hardest I ever fell for a girl was this schizo chuddette who played hot and cold. Sometimes we'd fuck other times we were "just friends" who would sleep in the same bed and cuddle.
>>790419>27% of couples who married in 2024 met on dating appsThis is disgusting. I've never met a decent woman on dating apps, and that includes the girl I'm currently with. They treat you like a disposable option and have no interest in the real you, just the curated image.
>>792202>This is disgusting. I've never met a decent woman on dating apps, and that includes the girl I'm currently with. They treat you like a disposable option and have no interest in the real you, just the curated image.this is my experience as well. but women are a lot more successful on dating apps. they pretty much just use them to filter out non-chads. so I can see dating apps being very popular for women looking to find a provider.
>>790127Both, ngl I had a crush on one of my pinay coworkers, but she's lesbian and I have a gf.
>>792203I reached out to an old hookup I ghosted to apologize, but also hoping for some ass of course. She told me she was married and pregnat, but was imo way too friendly. I probably could have got some, but my off-and-on got back together with me shortly after so I didn't push it. That's the short version of why I'd never marry someone off the apps.
>>792196This. Society often wrongfully diagnoses this as poor self image in young people
I hate people in the aggregate. I am a misanthrope, because regardless of ideology, I think most people are horrible. All I want is total solitude, to be away from others, and to be able to selectively allow people into my life (and discard them) as I see fit. You somehow make contact with someone you're interested in spending time with, either sexually or platonically, but then they turn out to have a jib whose cut you just can't jive with? How convenient to be able to just cut and run at a moment's notice, don't you think? Of course, relationships are messy and not everyone is going to see eye to eye with you in this fashion, but I generally think it's within the best interests of both parties to be able to just exit a relationship at either party's discretion.
What woeful fate has been bequeathed upon me, for I have the misfortune of being surrounded by people. This is why I am a leftist, because I advocate for a world in which every person has the financial stability to make his own choices as a free agent, and wrested free from the coercion of capitalism. Misanthropes cannot otherwise comfortably exist in an environment that is beneficial to their temperance, and must always be subject to the whims and privy of capital owners, who would commodify the misanthrope's disdain for humanity if he could, but who finds it satisfactory enough to merely impose upon him financial burdens that keep him yoked to the plow of human interaction.
I know, it stinks of petit bourgeoisie decadence to be able to have the privilege of designating for oneself a private encampment, away from the prying eyes of others. I would argue that everyone should be afforded the right to their own personal abode, within which one may isolate himself if he so chooses.
>>792436sartre was right, hell is other people.
if i could, i'd just live in a castle in the mountains, away from everyone else, just a peaceful life without needing to look at anyones face ever again
>>792436I agree. I don't like people much and coming to this place just solidifies that opinion for me yet I identify much better with people here than in meat space although people seem to like me there for some reason even though I usually try to ignore them. Sex and relationships are messy and I just don't get how you could be with somebody for an extended period of time without trying someone new out as curiosity. Of course I'd first need to get a relationship before experiencing any of that and reading the many interesting adventures people have had in that realm on this site and elsewhere puts me out of the mood of trying. life and people are just tiring.
>>792436What’s sad is that society guilt trips young people to socialize as means for “normalization”
Forced group activities, collective punishment, forced sibling bonding, or sucks
Being young and voluntarily solitary is considered antisocial
I think the real reason why people complain about loneliness is because of the constant moral harassment to socialize for its sake when most people don’t have much interest in strangers
>>792498Do you think the whole animosity towards electronic media consumption in youth is really just a pushback to revive forced socialization?
I was a solitary kid long before iPads came on the scene and I was always bored and bit depressed whenever I was stuck in groups for too long
>>792568>Do you think the whole animosity towards electronic media consumption in youth is really just a pushback to revive forced socialization?I don't know. I don't think parents will be completely on board with forced socialization especially if it means they have to do more work.
>>792587I’m talking about how adults in general always bemoan kids being solitary for even a split second
A lot of parents, especially mothers, love to force kids to hang out with their siblings.
As if though having to share space with them for four fifths of the day isn’t enough
>>792601>>792568people have to socialise in adult life get over it
>>792601Parents will only bemoan it if you don't seem normal or makes them have to work more than they feel they have to. At least that's what I think.
>>792568I was a solitary kid pre-iPads because my family lived in a pedestrian-hostile suburbia that precluded walking or biking anywhere and my lazy ass parents refused to ever drive me to my friends' houses. Now that I'm an adult they love to kvetch about why I'm so weird and undersocialized.
>>792604If that’s true, why do so many people whine about feeling lonely after their early-mid thirties?
Either that or they choose to live solitarily.
Even if adults socialize, they’re given more freedom of choice
>>792612The neighborhood I lived in was blocked off from the rest of the world via a non-sidewalk road.
As a kid, I remained stuck in my neighborhood never allowed to venture outside of it unless I was being dropped off and picked up
>>792605This. A lot of parenting articles seem to be written by neurotic white liberal women who don’t understand individuality or nuances
>>792612I think iPads are overblamed for juvenile social deficiency.
I remember back in the 2000s and early 2010s when adults were crying about alleged “antisociality” in youth. Or even before, in the 1990s.
Kids who preferred to be by themselves were always portrayed as rebellious or hybrystophilic
>>792638in hindsight kids who socialized and played outdoors did have better life outcomes tho.
maybe it's not so wrong to force your kid to make friends.
>>792642You’re confusing going outside for socializing
Also those kids you mentioned had good outcomes because they chose to socialize.
They weren’t forced
A lot of kids socialized and went outside and they didn’t end up so good either.
In fact, there’s few juvenile delinquents who were truly asocial
>>792642That’s because childhood is set up as a collectivist experience whereas adulthood is an individualized experience
>>792642Yeah but once you're doing that it's usually a sign that your kid probably has issues socializing and is going to have a hard time maintaining friendships and other relationships. You might need professional help at that point.
>>792652I will be honest: I think society overvalues socialization for youth development.
I mean seriously. Most of our degenerates and criminals were socialized.
They weren’t all weird looking shut ins that spoke in loony dialects
Our schooling system is centered around socialization rather than actual academic competence
>>792652>>792647you guys are assuming that a kid is mentally developed enough to know what's best for them or know how to make choices based on their "personality" when they've barely been alive long enough to have a personality. a lot of times kids DO get forced to engage in things they didn't want to do and end up loving it. we need to stop treating kids like fully formed adults with agency, and actually engage in parenting and guiding them towards a future where they can be happy.
I say this as a failson hikkiNEET incel whose parents never tried and just assumed I would grow up on my own and "become normal" even though that never happened. Kids aren't going to just "get it" and suddenly start making friends in adulthood. Just like you aren't gonna suddenly get a girlfriend in your 30's if you spent your entire youth as a loner.
It's good to let your kid learn and grow from their own mistakes but letting them retreat into a bubble is the worst possible thing you can do for their development. They need stimulation, they need new experiences, they need to take the time while they're a kid to learn about the world and learn about people through firsthand experience instead of developing generalizations based on their headcanon. That's how you get chuds.
>>792659> It's good to let your kid learn and grow from their own mistakes but letting them retreat into a bubble is the worst possible thing you can do for their development. They need stimulation, they need new experiences, they need to take the time while they're a kid to learn about the world and learn about people through firsthand experience instead of developing generalizations based on their headcanon. That's how you get chuds.You’re making generalizations about how childhood should be based on your own failings
Just admit that you’re just a weak willed adult incapable of proper autonomy
That’s why you’re against individuality and social autonomy for children
>>792667So you think I'm wrong? Children don't need to experience new things in their youth?
>>792659Stop projecting your failures in life as the default
Irony is, kids back then were more socially healthy because they had more social autonomy
Kids used more or less raise themselves before the 1980s
They were expected to make their own lunch, walk to school by themselves, do their homework without prompting, do chores before parents came home and even started working at age ten
That all changed by the 1980s when parents became more managing of kids social lives with play dates and after school clubs.
A lot of parenting articles in the 2000s complained about kids not having enough me time due to having to do afterschool activities alongside homework.
>>792669Adults often mean the opposite of what they say whenever it comes to childhood development
Most “novelty” experience in childhood are often cliche shallow experiences
Actual novel experiences are shunned
Adults often reduce novelty experiences to ball sports or another variant of board games or playing make believe
Worley things like fashion, politics, money, cars, etc are shunned
>>792669Children cannot gain novelty experience if they’re denied autonomy and individuality
Your sentiment is paradoxical
Thinking that kids lack personality and individuality means they cannot handle novelty experiences
>>792672so you think kids should dedicate more of their time to making money…?
>>792674>Thinking that kids lack personality and individuality means they cannot handle novelty experiencesNo my position is that while a child is not a blank slate, they don't have enough worldly experience to know what they like or dislike yet. They develop more based on the reactions of those around them. What will get me praise from my parents? What will get me scolded? What will get me praise from my peers? What am I good at that I can show off? etc. It's a parent's role to nurture their child and help them achieve their goals. If your kid shows talent in music but they're too afraid or avoidant to engage with it seriously then it's your role as a parent to balance your child's current feelings with nurturing their future. Setting them up to be able to make choices when they're older and have more experience and knowledge.
If you just pop them out of the womb and leave them in front of an ipad to "make all their own choices" they're literally never going to move past that ipad. They already have comfort and safety and stimulation from watching youtube videos, why would they do anything else? You need to put them in positions where they can fail or succeed and grow from it. If they don't enjoy those experiences that's fine, you can try something else. But the example of the pre-1980's is actually correct: parents used to kick their kids out of the house and lock the door. "go play and make friends and come back before sundown" was considered normal, and they were free to make their own choices on who to befriend or choose to spend their time alone if that's what they want. but the point was getting away from hiding behind their parents and experiencing the world for themselves, making their own successes and failures.
parents are supposed to be there to help their children grow, not let them say "no" all the time. sometimes you have to force them to eat their veggies, that's just parenting. you can't have a relationship with your child that is entirely based on what they want all the time.
>>792676“Let kids be kids” often ends up in delinquency or social awkwardness or some other form of arrested development
Modern society has introduced this weird cognitive blindness where they think kids never grow up into adults.
Childhood is treated as some permanent reality rather than a transitional reality, hence why neurosis is so common.
Adults nowadays think kids need to be barred from the real world as much as possible.
No reference to world events or life events are ever mentioned or allowed.
I remember as a kid that many historical fiction books were banned from schools due to cynical language and portrayals of how hard life was
Even now, I remember reading parenting articles that say letting kids watch the news or telling them about family crises is “traumatizing” to kids
>>792683>I remember as a kid that many historical fiction books were banned from schools due to cynical language and portrayals of how hard life was>Even now, I remember reading parenting articles that say letting kids watch the news or telling them about family crises is “traumatizing” to kidsyou must be pretty young or not american? as a millennial none of this nonsense existed when we were kids. we had to read of mice and men and to kill a mockingbird in school, everyone was exposed to the trauma of the past. hell they made us watch 9/11 happening live in 3rd grade lol. not sure what the logic was behind that but they wheeled out the big tv and forced every kid to watch the planes hit the towers.
>>792684>not sure what the logic was behind that but they wheeled out the big tv and forced every kid to watch the planes hit the towers.It was for the lulz
>>792682Again, you’re confusing essential things like wrong vegetables for non essential things
> They develop more based on the reactions of those around them. What will get me praise from my parents? What will get me scolded? What will get me praise from my peers? What am I good at that I can show off? etc. It's a parent's role to nurture their child and help them achieve their goals. If your kid shows talent in music but they're too afraid or avoidant to engage with it seriously then it's your role as a parent to balance your child's current feelings with nurturing their future. Setting them up to be able to make choices when they're older and have more experience and knowledge.That’s only part of the picture
Again you view children as merely “reactive” entities
Kids often have likes and dislikes that go against the main group
I met kids who didn’t like chocolate.
There also kids who don’t like sports but are often forced to play.
>>792684I am thirty and an American
Also To Kill A Mockingbird was not that explicit for a history novel
Also 9/11 was allowed to be show to kids for political reasons
What I mean is that worldly affairs at their core, not just the mere cultural impact of said worldly events
People are now concerntrolling over kids watching videos of political events such as protests or shootings or whatnot, thinking it’s making them anti social
>>792682> parents are supposed to be there to help their children grow, not let them say "no" all the time. sometimes you have to force them to eat their veggies, that's just parenting. you can't have a relationship with your child that is entirely based on what they want all the time.Parenthood is often a relationship where it’s the parents whims that are enforced.
Kids are rarely allowed any nuance to disagree especially when it comes to personal beliefs
Again your concern is the opposite.
> If you just pop them out of the womb and leave them in front of an ipad to "make all their own choices" they're literally never going to move past that ipad. They already have comfort and safety and stimulation from watching youtube videos, why would they do anything else?They can do chores and finish their homework. And enroll for technical school.
>You need to put them in positions where they can fail or succeed and grow from it. If they don't enjoy those experiences that's fine, you can try something else. But the example of the pre-1980's is actually correct: parents used to kick their kids out of the house and lock the door. "go play and make friends and come back before sundown" was considered normal, and they were free to make their own choices on who to befriend or choose to spend their time alone if that's what they want.And that kind of socialization isn’t really novel at all.
> but the point was getting away from hiding behind their parents and experiencing the world for themselves, making their own successes and failuresIn order to get kids from “hiding behind their parents” you have to abolish the current paradigm of childhood where it’s just cartoons and ball sports and more into more diverse forms of recreation.
Your idea of childhood development is just cliche peer-to-peer antics rather than life skill training
>>792682> If your kid shows talent in music but they're too afraid or avoidant to engage with it seriously then it's your role as a parent to balance your child's current feelings with nurturing their future.Ask the Jackson Five, Mozart, Beethoven, The Beach Boys etc how that worked out for the
Often times when kids show talent in professional entertainment, they will push their kids into that world, even making them into glorified jesters to make profit
>>792690you sound like the most soulless corporate drone advocating for children to focus all their efforts into becoming employable. like damn dude.
>Your idea of childhood development is just cliche peer-to-peer antics rather than life skill trainingI think engaging with your peers is more worthwhile than engaging with adults who just want to tell you how to think and what to do. Your peers are your equals, you're allowed to disagree with them, you're allowed to fight with them, you're allowed to develop your own sense of self around them without needing to be subordinate. So yes I think kids should be encouraged to spend more time with their peers and less time in school or at home.
>>792691you're listing some pretty extreme examples but the ones you don't hear about are the kids who had a talent for art or music and their parents enrolled them in schools targeted towards those things. then they grew up and built a successful career out of it and don't have animosity towards their parents. most professional athletes knew they wanted to do sports at a very young age. most professional pilots had an interest in aviation since they were kids. most artists have been drawing since they were children. nurturing your child's passion/talent is not always abuse. in fact most of the time it isn't abuse, it's love. it's usually when the parent just uses their child as an extension of themselves that it becomes abuse.
>>792692> you sound like the most soulless corporate drone advocating for children to focus all their efforts into becoming employable. like damn dudeIrony is, your sentiment is the more common sentiment exploited by corporations to sell more security devices and other smothering institutional codes.
> I think engaging with your peers is more worthwhile than engaging with adults who just want to tell you how to think and what to do.Yet, your post at
>>792659 is exactly that:
>kids should be forced to socialize>kids cannot are their own choices
>Your peers are your equals, you're allowed to disagree with them, you're allowed to fight with them, you're allowed to develop your own sense of self around them without needing to be subordinate. So yes I think kids should be encouraged to spend more time with their peers and less time in school or at homeIn theory. But the truth is, amongst peers there’s always a hierarchy. Kids are bullied and mocked for differing aesthetics.
Kids used to die from being beaten to death by bullies or from asphyxiation from being locked in lockers or from having their head held down in water.
“Kids will be kids” often ends up in death or scars after a certain stage.
Your sentiment is the typical nostalgic adult’s impression.
Also your peers are at the mercy of their elders whims just like you, so what difference does it make?
It’s just chattel slavery.
Also, there’s a reason why I suggest life skill training for kids. Hanging out with peers as the only way to enjoy childhood often ends up in delinquency or other cringey unnecessary teenage shenanigans
Hanging out with peers often ends up as idle chatter and roaming the landscape waiting for something interesting to happen.
And when interesting things do happen, it’s often petty crimes.
And you’re always broke because you have no money of your own and everything costs money
There’s reason why a lot of kids were expected to get afterschool job after age twelve.
This whole anti-labor stance for youth in modern times is a major reason for the immaturity of youth.
Not “brain development” nor “hormones”.
>>792693Fair point. But often times, pursuing professional entertainment as a career is risky.
It’s easy to go broke and end up in scandal.
Even then, the more successful kids in professional entertainment often suffer from coercion from parents although not always to the toxic degree like Mozart or the Jackson Five
>>792695TL:DR
The only proper social development for youth should be in basic technical skills.
Non-industrial social development is overvalued for childrens development and hence why so many young adults have to suffer an extra decade of dependency before being able to be autonomous
>>792696they tried this before child labor laws and it was horrible for children, constant death and disfigurement and lifelong medical trauma because porkies have no compassion even for kids and will work them to death. what makes you think it would go better the second time around?
>>792697Not every child worked in factories
Plus right now, kids are more in danger from bullies and deranged mass shooters and predatory faculty
Schools used to have workshops where they taught basic blue collar skills before being removed around the 1980s and 90s
We also have a lot more safety measures in place nowadays and have mandatory time breaks for minors.
All in all, whether you admit it or not there’s a deficiency of industrial skills amongst post-Gen X adults.
>>792631you literally have to socialise to survive, thats what a job is
>>792697Also you’re forgetting that fathers or grandparents owned workshops or businesses and would bring their kids on board
That’s how it is outside of white countries
>>792699It depends though
Socialization by itself is meaningless.
>>792692> you sound like the most soulless corporate drone advocating for children to focus all their efforts into becoming employable. like damn dude.Tbh that’s kinda what kids should be doing right now with this job market.
Alot of people of under fifty bemoan not learning employability skills in high school
>>792702I get it but at the same time I don't think Marxists should be encouraging people to raise their kids with a wageslave mindset.
>>792704What mindset should they be raised on then?
Because that’s how everyone ends as. A wage slave.
Idk
Why people are so hell bent on preventing realism in childrens psychology.
And then they wonder why kids are so ignorant and allegedly unappreciative of the good things in their lives.
>>792704If you don’t want your kids to grow up with a wage slave mindset, they either become lumpen or bourgeois mentality
Unless you’re experienced in a non-wage slave lifestyle and are able to properly guide kids into such a world, I don’t think it’s a good idea to deny economic reality.
>>792705>>792706robbing children of the ability to dream is just depressing.
it's not bad to give them basic work experience like helping out in the family's (((small business))) but we should at least give them 10-15 years of life without having to worry about capitalism. if we expect them to be born into capitalism and raised into a capitalist mindset from birth till adulthood they'll just internalize slavery as "normal" and never dare to dream of anything greater.
>>792708This is pure copium.
Children are only allowed to dream.
If idealism is such a good thing for kids, why do adults take offense to it?
Adults often accuse kids of entitlement and or narcissism when kids become dyed in the wool idealists
Denying kids the right to see reality makes them naive and lazy.
Also the truth is, kids are not automatic idealists.
Idealism is often forced upon them by adults.
And if anything, this constant feeding of idealism is why young people are notorious for not being able to handle the real world.
>>792708Idealism is more forced onto kids rather than the other way around
Kids are constantly lectured to death about “changing the world” with little to no technical skills.
Modern child rearing is in a serious cognitive crisis. The fact that adults think idealism is more important for kids than learning how to survive is exactly why the proletariat remains enslaved
Youthful idealism is mainly a bourgeois psyop sold to pacify the masses
Not unlike religion
It leads to dumb neopuritan shit like “rape culture “ and what not
>>792708Also robbing kids of realism leads to “kids ruining the Internet with their dumb takes”
If you sincerely believe in “let kids be kids” don’t complain when kids ruin “adult” spaces with their “cringey antics”
>>792716>Also robbing kids of realism leads to “kids ruining the Internet with their dumb takes”personally I think kids shouldn't be on the internet at all. you should not be allowed online until you're 18+. but digital ID is still retarded obviously. it should've been based on parental consent and websites banning minors on sight like the good old days.
>>792717Why?
The Internet is not an exclusive lot an adult-only zone.
Historically there have been online spaces for kids.
Miniclip, Andkon, Newgeounds, Kongregate, etc
Waning to ban kids online just because of outlier juvenile transgressions is just selfish and hypocritical
May as well ban boomers and schizos online then as well.
>>792721
kids go to those places with parental supervision or at least adult supervision and the adults will be held accountable if the kids get into trouble or are victimized. none of that exists online.
it's not so much that i worry about predators but i worry about kids having their minds poisoned by retarded conspiracy theories and chud shitposting because they haven't properly developed critical thinking yet. I also worry about kids thinking internet access makes them an adult and trying to force their dumb takes onto very stupid adults, which gives these kids a false sense of maturity that will lead them astray. Though I admit we had plenty of reactionary edgelord chuds in the 00's and most of them outgrew it. So maybe it's just a phase and the internet isn't that important. I don't know.
>>792724
I did grow up with the internet but I also did other things and the internet wasn't my entire life. I didn't have social media accounts. I didn't have discord. I didn't have the amount of socialization forced onto kids by the current internet. It was just looking up guides on GameFAQs and watching subbed anime on random streaming sites. kids are unironically overstimulated on social media these days and it takes up too much of their lives. they need to genuinely be able to turn off the screen and touch grass.
>>792728I understand your concerns but wanting to ban kids from being online is still hypocritical
> It was just looking up guides on GameFAQs and watching subbed anime on random streaming sites. kids are unironically overstimulated on social media these days and it takes up too much of their lives. they need to genuinely be able to turn off the screen and touch grass.This is a common sentiment I here but from what I see, most kids just use the Internet as an extension of offline life not a replacement
Most kids don’t waste their online time on social media exclusively. They also go to gaming websites and read and make fanfiction . The social media hysteria is overstated in a way, just an excuse to want to ban kids from
The Internet to impose some selfish vicarious impression of childhood.
> it's not so much that i worry about predators but i worry about kids having their minds poisoned by retarded conspiracy theories and chud shitposting because they haven't properly developed critical thinking yet. Kids are more introduced to conspiracy theories and other superstition from their parents than online. So if anything, you should focus more on religious/political parents
>I also worry about kids thinking internet access makes them an adult and trying to force their dumb takes onto very stupid adults, which gives these kids a false sense of maturity that will lead them astray. That was more true in the old days when it was a novelty.
>Though I admit we had plenty of reactionary edgelord chuds in the 00's and most of them outgrew it. So maybe it's just a phase and the internet isn't that important. I don't knowOr maybe the reactionary chuds of yesteryear never outgrew their phases or they relapsed.
Your takes seem to be more the typical “reavtive, not proactive” paternalistic approach.
“New media is evil because I’m spooked by it”
And yet you don’t want kids to see the world outside of carefree ignorance
>>792734I get what you're saying, and my lack of confidence on the issue leads me to not want to legislate it or force it onto people. Like there's obviously value in the internet even for kids with how much knowledge it contains, and there are situations where kids use the internet to escape an abusive home life or reach out to strangers to develop their sense of self.
I'm just very wary of where the internet is currently going, particularly with these "age verification" and "anti porn" laws that basically just serve to use thinking of the children as an excuse to enshittify the internet. that's not really kids' fault, they didn't vote for these politicians, but it seems like as the internet tries to become more "kid friendly"(advertiser friendly) it is also becoming worse. so the obvious solution is to just accept that kids shouldn't be online and if they are online they are doing so at their own risk and it shouldn't be anyone else's problem/responsibility. at least imo.
>>792728> I did grow up with the internet but I also did other things and the internet wasn't my entire life. I didn't have social media accounts. I didn't have discord. I didn't have the amount of socialization forced onto kids by the current internetSocialization online is optional.
You can still choose to enjoy the Internet solitarily.
Also, social media accounts were a thing before FaceBook and Discord.
> kids go to those places with parental supervision or at least adult supervision and the adults will be held accountable if the kids get into trouble or are victimizedYou’d be surprised at how much accountability is delayed in meatspace concerning child rearing.
Especially in the “good old days”
There’s more immediate consequences for child endangerment online.
> because they haven't properly developed critical thinking yet“Critical thinking” is just an overused moralistic meme. Most of our victims of the conspiracy theory pipeline are adults.
Adults are more inclined to believe in conspiracy theories than children believe it or not
If I were to go to around as a motivational speaker for schools spouting conspiracy theories I would be mocked and memed by students
But if I were a conspiracy theory motivational speaker for churches and country clubs, I would be celebrated.
>>792738> I'm just very wary of where the internet is currently going, particularly with these "age verification" and "anti porn" laws that basically just serve to use thinking of the children as an excuse to enshittify the internet. that's not really kids' fault, they didn't vote for these politicians, but it seems like as the internet tries to become more "kid friendly"(advertiser friendly) it is also becoming worse. so the obvious solution is to just accept that kids shouldn't be online and if they are online they are doing so at their own risk and it shouldn't be anyone else's problem/responsibility. at least imo.“Think of the children “ has always been an excuse for individuals and institutions to push their agendas
Also irony is, making the Internet more “kid friendly “ makes the Internet less friendly for kids.
A lot of these censorship laws tend to target kids media more than adult media funnily enough.
Also, kids have been online since the 1990s. They used to give safety lessons at schools for kids.
But these liability laws are part of what I’m talking about with the whole anti-realism stance in child hood development that’s been rampant for a century
Your sentiment in
>>792708 is exactly the same sentiment driving this neopuritanism that’s ruining the Internet
People forget that childhood and adulthood aren’t as parallel as they think
If you raise children to be avoidant of new media and/or harsh realities for the sake of innocence, don’t be surprised when they become reactionary as adults
Most chuds weren’t chuddy in their youth
They were bright wide eyed idealists who weren’t allowed an inkling of worldly exposure or any cynicism at all.
So when life cracked the curtain, they couldn’t handle it.
That’s why I think it’s better if we as a society move away from this artificial utopianization of childhood.
>>792728> kids are unironically overstimulated on social media these days and it takes up too much of their lives. they need to genuinely be able to turn off the screen and touch grass.This was more true before iPads and iPhones when computers were bulky objects
These days, kids use social media to livestream their meatspace activities or video chat friends.
Kids do spend a lot of time on social media but it’s not stuck in a tiny corner of their bedroom for half the day like before 2015.
Internet consumption in post-2015 world is more akin to portable music players in function than watching a TV screen
Speaking of which, I cannot believe there’s people who say TV os better/wholesome for kids
I remember when TV was seen as the idiot box poisoning young minds.
Really annoyed I didn't get into the (irl) kink scene a few years earlier.
>>792759Care to clarify?
I always thought you had to be good looking and witty
>>792764>I always thought you had to be good looking and wittyYou'd probably fit in better being queer and autistic.
Unfortunately I'm not quite either.But it's also not right to go into it just expecting sex, which might be what you're getting at. It's a community, some events will literally say 'no single men allowed' to reduce sex-pestery.
>>792769> You'd probably fit in better being queer and autisticQueer yes, autistic, no.
I especially tire of autism being associated with queerdom
Most queers suffer social ailments from being stigmatized, not neurocognitve ailment
> But it's also not right to go into it just expecting sex, which might be what you're getting at. It's a community, some events will literally say 'no single men allowed' to reduce sex-pestery.So it’s a gatekept club where only the chosen ones get all the sex while everyone else is left high and dry.
And whose to say single women cannot be sex pests in kink communities?
>>792771Women are more valued and sought-after than men.
>>792769>It's a community, some events will literally say 'no single men allowed' to reduce sex-pestery.so it's literally just for hypersexual men looking to build a harem. but single men are the sexpests. lol.
>>792771>>792803>So […] only the chosen ones get all the sex while everyone else is left high and dry.no
>And whose to say single women cannot be sex pests in kink communities?never implied
>>792802When you say women, do you mean grannies or nubile maidens?
>>792877Move people around the world to equalize the sexes
>>792877There’s no “Marxist solution” because it’s a non issue.
Only the most brainrotted think it’s a big issue
>>792909It absolutely is especially in India and China. But you are also never changing women's sexuality. They will always be attracted to a tiny percentage of males.
>>792945Just build anddell sex dolls.
Why does Leftypol always wanna make sexual gratification be superdependent on sentient beings?
Why not use dolls?
>>792884That would just lead to equal surplus everywhere.
>>792824Both. They're all more sough-after than men, just create an account on fetlife pretending to be a 60 year old woman, then one pretending to be a 20 year old man, and see how much attention you get with each.
>>793054Thats because they assume the sixty year old woman is some hot milf.
Again, in porn, most portrayals of older women usually are early middle aged busty types
>>792953I do not disagree with you. I believe the problem is real and real life solutions would have to be something other than mass cullings of males.
>>792945Have you tried talking to women before ranting about "women's nature"?
>>793083Leftypol cries bout eugenics but then suggests culling cismales to solve the sexual deprivation crisis.
Yet if I were to suggest aborting fetuses with autism to prevent misery that's considered wrong.
>>793085There's been alot of rants about cishet male nature without much pushback
>>793093I ignore them because these kinds of posters are pretty unique on the internet. They're like decorative fish in a water tank, don't touch the glass and let them swim undisturbed.
>>793111Theyre not unique on the Internet. They're just uniquely sympathised
>>793120How many of these people do you see on twitter or youtube? I see none
>>792877is it really a surplus when the gender ratio is near equal? it's just that the females don't wish to breed with them. the marxist solution is state-sponsored matchmaking services and economic incentives for marriage.
>sex and relationships thread
>dozens of posts about children and their socialization
Really makes you think
>>793287We need more posts about fucking hookers
>>793289Nobody cares if you fucked some hooker you just paid for that shit it has nothing interesting or applicable to someone else's life. You just purchased a commodity to satisfy a need, you might as well have posted about buying a burger and eating it.
>>793287There’s a lot of posts joking about rape on here and nobody bats an eye
>>793122I mean the contempt for cishet males. It’s plentiful in media
>>793287There’s a lot of posts about people lacking romantic prospects due to lack of socialization so it’s not that weird
the incel left is probably the most consequential part of the left these days. when reproductive success is intrinsically linked to economic opportunities it becomes a matter of economic justice that so many of us cannot breed.
its interesting that the femchud response is always just "genocide incels" or "send them to die in war" when this would be largely targeting poor black and brown men, not whites. most incel communities are non-white poor or working class men who will never have the opportunity for love because they simply weren't born into privilege. most CEO's are 6'+ "chads" who have had everything handed to them in life including a loving wife and kids. this is quite literally a class issue, the bourgeois have completely monopolized the dating market.
Stop talking about kids, you will never get to have your own Epstein Island and you're not Diddy. Talk about relationships and sex, not how you wanna show kids your gooning folders.
>>793310I think you mean to go to the other threads that are “pro pederasty”
>>793309>the incel left is probably the most consequential part of the left these days. when reproductive success is intrinsically linked to economic opportunities it becomes a matter of economic justice that so many of us cannot breedNot being able to breed is not the same priority as not being able to afford a comfy place to live.
The real problem is that people are too obsessed with sexual prospects and spiting any alleged “sore losers”
>>793315What’s even worse is that society will show respect towards hardened criminals if they choose to procreate.
Meanwhile, law abiding bachelors are not praised for their good deeds
Most family men aren’t even appreciative of their wives and children
A lot of people complain about their kids and spouse.
And it’s like, nobody put a gun to your head. You chose to get knocked up and put on the wedding ring.
You’ve been forewarned about the difficulties of family rearing.
But no, people still choose to blindly make families.
And the thing is, children often learn more from teachers, coaches, and older coworkers than from their own parents.
>>793367
What? What are you saying?
>>793367
reposted it again award
After a certain age, probably the back side of 20s, men leave the church. Single men are aliens in church. If you walked into a random church, you'd think everyone raised in the church environment found someone to marry and have children. Confirmation bias.
My mother's family is in large part in a church bubble. The one's who left the church were unmarried while the singles left the church after 25.
>>793418Tbh church is a social club.
And there’s a lot of single moms that attend church.
It’s more that church doesn’t like young single men in particular
>>793514Very few places like single men.
>>793538Unfortunately.
Single men are only appreciated as grunt workers for the most godforsaken jobs
People complain about discrimination against the elderly but even the elderly get more sympathy and catering
>>793329>is there an equivalent of this in the west?Sugar babies
>>793642sounds like you should probably just commit suicide.
>>793642Maybe people need to be taught to be as sexually active as possible from young enough age that's not too young but also not too old so people like you don't exist. I'm probably the same way too. Actually no one should exist. That would be the best.
>>793642>take care for the rest of my lifeThis is the problem btw
>>793659The real solution would be arranged dating.
Ancient societies used to have social functions where the youths would be allowed to socialize and hook up
>>793719so instead of dating being based on attractiveness it can be based on who has rich parents? and you also have no choice? wow sounds amazing
>>793642How about you just don't? Nothing is forcing you. Sex isn't a fundamental need, you should know that from Christian monks.
>>793721You’re thinking of arranged marriage
Dating based on attractiveness ends up in slim pickings and people are inclined to date up anyway
Also my proposal is purely voluntary. It’s just that coordinators set you up with someone who matches your preference
>>793734People aren’t gonna accept that answer on here
>>793642>How do I become a spineless, sissy, cuckold of a faggot and accept a ran through woman as a wife?The best sex is with sexually confident women you stupid fucking retard. You nerds want to have mind-blowing porno-tier sex AND do it with pure virgins, and you can't have both. You want a bitch able to blow bubbles on your dick, or do you want a fair maiden who can't even look at your dick without crying
Also, sorry but the best sex is with promiscuous artsy fartsy feminists, this is proven by science. Sorry moids you will have to at least read Kollontai to get the best sex in your life, there's no way around it, those are the cards you have been dealt in this bitch of an earth.
>>793740>>793741This seems like a stereotype
Most sexually promiscuous women aren’t always confident nor are sexually confident women always promiscuous
Same for men
>>793741>Also, sorry but the best sex is with promiscuous artsy fartsy feminists, this is proven by scienceProvide evidence of this
It seems they have contempt for male sexuality and would gatekeep
>>793742>Most sexually promiscuous women aren’t always confidentthis is some "not all corvids are ravens shit" like sure that's right, but sexually confident women have had sex plenty, or else they wouldn't build confidence to begin with. i guess it depends on what you consider to be "promiscuous" vs just having a healthy sexual appetite, so for the sake of the argument lets get rid of the word with the negative implication.
>>793746>with. i guess it depends on what you consider to be "promiscuous" vs just having a healthy sexual appetite, so for the sake of the argument lets get rid of the word with the negative implication.It’s more used against young people tbh
Irony is, older people who have plenty of sex are never given that stigma
>>793743>Provide evidence of thisthe evidence is my own fucking experience. that's right my n=3 at best, but also it's true and you know it in your heart, lad.
>>793329you can probably arrange a no-sex date in a sugar dating website, i think it's a good idea if you can afford it
>>793749>Irony is, older people who have plenty of sex are never given that stigmait's mostly men who don't receive the promiscuous label, i kinda regret using it because it's the most annoying kind of moralizing
>>793759Older men aren’t. Young men are pathologized as rapey for having libido by both feminists and patriarchy.
Older men are encouraged to revive their mojo while young men are told to marry/settle down or told they’re scum.
>>793750Solipsism at its finest
>>793761> Young men are pathologized as rapey for having libidono they aren't
>>793761>Solipsism at its finestyou would know if you had ever had sex
>>793587>>793758i don't want a sugar baby i think thats asking a bit too much but are there idk, more casual platforms for it? like is there a modern version of craigslist for finding people in america? i don't want a prostitute i'm not sure if i'm making any sense but i see it more like immersion therapy or hiring someone as a socialization tutor.
>>793849>>793851Hey hey ive seen this one. Dis called microchemerism and shit
>>793849There were alot more untreated cognitive disorder cases back then. They were thrown into asylums
Even healthy minded people were thrown in there
>>793870I thought it was telegony
>>793910>victim shamingcool it with the anti-masculinistic remarks
>>793910>promoting stereotypes of single men as chuds and reddtiorsSee what I mean?
>>100 years ago
>>Woman married and had sex with one man
the obvious fact that this is some incel rhetoric directly copied from 4chan notwithstanding you have to be a complete fucking moron to believe that this was ever true. if anything modern day day people are fucking puritans compared to the amount of crazy fucking that was going on in the past. i mean, the sheer amount of unbelievable ignorance to believe that the past was anything like this is beyond retarded. i understand that we're talking incel chud 4chan copypastas, but dear god this is some straight up NPC rhetoric.
>>793950>true. if anything modern day day people are fucking puritans compared to the amount of crazy fucking that was going on in the past. i mean, the sheer amount of unbelievable ignorance to believe that the past was anything like this is beyond retardedThis. Unfortunately this puritanical idealization of the past is not limited to 4chan. It’s a sentiment shared with most people over age twelve. Even the most radical libs think things were more wholesome back then.
Conservatives love to whine about single moms and gay male couples adopting kids but turn a blind eye to historical records of family men starting a bastard family with mistresses from out of town.
There used to be children who were raised with an older sister and mom only to find out later in life that their older sister was their birth mom which makes their “mom” really grandma
People would sometimes fall in love with strangers only to find out that said stranger was a first cousin.
>>793934>>793946Both of you are yet to explain why childless people (specifically men) should be put above people with kids or prove that the type of man you claim is oppressed for being childfree and virginal isn't some treatler chud or Reddit neckbeard (because those are the only types of men to complain they don't get asspats for being brave and stunning intellectual chads for not having kids or losing their virginity).
>>793973They should be giving us hand jobs instead.
>>793973You’re already assuming that single men are chuds and degenerates and whatnot
Also again, you put them down as deserving of being below childrens ring adults
But ok.
Single men are taxed more than any other demographic
They’re often not given immediate rescue in civil disasters
They’re often looked down upon for having personal issues, assumed to be covert pedos/serial killers
Society condemns them for having any well-earned ample leisure
>>793973Also forgot to mention that single men often have to pick up shifts for child rearing coworkers and get paid less
In fast food or retail, a lot of the child rearing adults often like to harass their coworkers for money, claiming it’s to help feed their kids.
>>793849Clearly the solution is to force every women to be creampied by the local PHDs before allowing them to choose their partners.
>>793418Single women leave the church too
The only single women that stick around are usually “reformed” whores or some adopted junior patroness that’s highly favored by the church female elders
using the thread where everyone keep dunking on incels to get their rocks off to actually talk about sex
i seen a lot of people from identities that get sexualized a lot get offended or grossed when somone uses terms that they don't like from porn
trans people hate shemale and dickgirl and really hate futa
trans men hate cuntboy
and femboys hate femboys somtimes because its originally a porn term and so do they trap
mommy and daddy are too sexual too while at it, and step bro and step sis.
but that one that i can't understand is when black girls get offended by ebony. like why's ebony a bad word to call a black person? Isn't it like, black but fancy wood? don't understand americans, seems like every other word is a problematic slur said by gooners, even gooner's probably a slur if porn consumers push hard enough
>>794084why do you even care what people get offended by? getting offended is their problem, not yours. they can choose to stop being offended whenever they want. don't bend over to please their narcissism.
>>794084You're retarded
>>794073This always gets me because I know I'd treat these women better but they chose to chase Chad, and therefore get what they deserve stupid bitches I swear to fuck
>>794086This logic should apply to imageboards patrons wanting to ban others for not appealing to their impression of “leftism”
>>794084>Isn't it like, black but fancy wood? don't understand americans, seems like every other word is a problematic slur said by gooners, even gooner's probably a slur if porn consumers push hard enoughI like how people always complain about Americans being easily offended while being offended by American slang terms in general
>>794087easy for you to say, i just see it all the time and only get the problem if its something overly pornified that icks you in public, but ebony's like the tamest of the bunch
I was raped.
How do i get a woman to let me lick her asshole
>>794115Go on Fetlife. Or just don't date boring normies in general
>>79412790% of the people on fetlife are
>prostitutes>obese boomers>gay men in fursuits>trans women who don't pass at allif you're just a heterosexual guy into kink it's kinda hopeless. finding an attractive girl that wants to meet you and isnt a prostitute is like winning the lottery.
>>794129Heterosexual dating is fucked for men.
It’s better to go LGBT or something.
I mean seriously we have trans girls that got brothas acting strange with how good looking they are
>>794131People can't help their sexuality you can't just choose to be LGBT.
>>794132How else are we gonna stop all the whining about TFW no gf?
Maybe people should stop pathologizing porn and AI sex dolls
>>794136This sounds like when people tell gay people to "just be normal" and blame all their persecution on them for "being too gay".
Heterosexual men are not something to be exterminated. Society needs to address their loneliness in a way that is productive and can solve their loneliness, not forcing them to be gay or killing them.
>>794138I never suggested extermination
I just merely suggested that we should alternatives to women, like sex dolls.
I don’t think it’s good to be psychosexually dependent on women especially since they can take advantage of it to enriched themselves at the cost of every one else
>>794142On the one hand sex dolls would be nice but at the same time I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding from women about why men "want" them. It's not about sex, it's about emotional connection. Sex dolls can't solve this, fucking sex dolls is a solitary activity. Male friends can't solve this, friends behave fundamentally differently from romantic partners. Women insist you have to just kind of "get over it" but there is no substitute for a person you are sexually attracted to wanting to spend time with you and it is the greatest feeling in the world so to be deprived of it is incredibly demoralizing particularly as you age and it just gets further away from you. I think women kind of just take it for granted that men always want to spend time with them and don't fully appreciate how soulcrushing it is to be alone.
>>794144This is because men don’t appreciate each other affectionately. They always wanna give it away to female strangers
And friendship is looked down upon as some juvenile phase to be grown out of.
Friends re often portrayed a comic relief or bad influences or backstab era
Yet more people get screwed over by their family and lovers.
People suffer more rejection for flaws/nuances/differing opinions from their lovers than from friends
>>794146>This is because men don’t appreciate each other affectionately.No you retard it's because friendships are fundamentally different from romance and you're being deliberately disingenuous.
>>794147When I say affection, I don’t mean romantic affection. I mean platonic.
And yes while romantic relationships are not the same as fraternal, I think it’s not a bad idea to start appreciating friendship more
In fact our longest lasting romantic relationships stared out as fraternal relationships
>>794148I have friends and I like my friends but I'm still an incel chud. What's your next theory?
>>794149Appreciate your friends more
Romantic partners are fickle
>>794150I talk to my friends everyday.
I want romance.
All my friends have partners. They are in loving relationships AND have close friendships. It's not something we should need to "settle" for.
>>794151Ah. The good old FOMO
I don’t deny that romantic love should not be disposed of as an option.
But I feel that too many people wanna rush into romance because of FOMO
Also, I don’t know if you watch a lot of true crime or even sit and talk to a lot of married folk but a lot of seemingly happy couples are often fighting or ignoring each other.
Some are even on the down low.
And with this dating climate,I dunno if I wanna even put a ring on anyones finger.
I don’t mean to patronize you. I really don’t, but, I would be very leery.
And especially since you’re a chud, I worry that if you get a partner she will intentionally twist your words out of context if she gets miffed with you
Women are masters of petulance. Not so much because they can do it better but rather because they use their image to garner sympathy
And even if the woman is found out to be wrong, you will be blamed still.
>>794149You're probably fucked. Probably damned if you do and damned if you don't.
>>794152>But I feel that too many people wanna rush into romance because of FOMOuygha I'm 33 I'm not rushing anything it's arguably too late for me because I waited too long.
there's this constant insistence that you can just "find your own way" and "be happy being alone" but that shit is just cope usually from people who already have happiness and just want you to accept not getting to enjoy the things they take for granted.
yes, romance is often romanticized and people don't talk about the conflict. but all social relationships inevitably involve conflict. your ability to navigate through these conflicts and develop the relationship further just makes it more fulfilling in the end. going into a relationship thinking it's nothing but sunshine and rainbows is a recipe for disaster. ironically, this is how most women go into relationships and then sabotage the relationship when it doesn't meet their expectations. meanwhile I just want someone I can grow and live with so I'm not spending my entire life doing solitary activities or being the 3rd wheel in a friend group composed of mostly couples. that's apparently entitled thinking though and femchuds will tell me I should just be gay or kill myself or something.
>>794163> uygha I'm 33 I'm not rushing anything it's arguably too late for me because I waited too long.People still rush into love after thirty
Thirty isn’t even old for Christs sake
> yes, romance is often romanticized and people don't talk about the conflict. but all social relationships inevitably involve conflict. your ability to navigate through these conflicts and develop the relationship further just makes it more fulfilling in the end.Not all conflicts are the same level of safely dismissing.
>going into a relationship thinking it's nothing but sunshine and rainbows is a recipe for disaster. ironically, this is how most women go into relationships and then sabotage the relationship when it doesn't meet their expectations. That’s the fault of society always over-sympathizing girls. Girls and women are never told what they did wrong in relationships, at least not at first. They’re always comforted and told that the guy was a douche and didn’t appreciate her enough.
Boys and men are told to get over it and self reflect on their flaws.
>meanwhile I just want someone I can grow and live with so I'm not spending my entire life doing solitary activities or being the 3rd wheel in a friend group composed of mostly couples. At this age, you’re either gonna get single moms or have to get a college girl if you don’t want the baggage. Or get yourself a lonely older woman with money.
>that's apparently entitled thinking though and femchuds will tell me I should just be gay or kill myself or something.Society in general will tell you this. At least online they will.
I find that whenever it comes to discussion about romance , people respond online with moralistic affirmative platitudes towards romantic losers
But in meatspace, they will scoot at you behind your back for not getting lucky.
>>794163>there's this constant insistence that you can just "find your own way" and "be happy being alone" but that shit is just cope usually from people who already have happiness and just want you to accept not getting to enjoy the things they take for granted.reminds me of this acquaintance responding to some article about depression and remote work about how happy he is working from home like he isnt some antisocial sperg earning like 10 times minimum wage coding (aka prompting these days)
i will NOT engage in intellectual pursuits
i will NOT be social and engaged in my friend's lives
i will NOT stop being lazy
i will NOT try to be funny or likable
self improvement is a scam invented to sell bed frames
>>794165>Thirty isn’t even old for Christs sakestatistically the median male is already married by the start of his 30's. meanwhile most incels have never even held a girl's hand.
>At this age, you’re either gonna get single moms or have to get a college girl if you don’t want the baggage. Or get yourself a lonely older woman with money.college girl is the only option realistically. older women only want wealthy men and single moms are Not An Option for obvious reasons.
I had a funny situation where a girl I was talking to on /soc/ shamed me for only talking to girls 10 years younger than me after she asked about my "experiences" on the board, but it wasn't out of malice it's because they're the only women that are even romantically available. older women actually get MORE ridiculous about their standards and expectations.
>I find that whenever it comes to discussion about romance , people respond online with moralistic affirmative platitudes towards romantic losers>But in meatspace, they will scoot at you behind your back for not getting lucky.yep, exactly. they're all full of shit and just treat you as subhuman for being alone thereby making it impossible to stop being alone. when you talk about your feelings and struggles they just shame you and insist you must be doing something wrong(you must be a misogynist, must be a sperg, must be a gooner, must be selfish, etc therefore you deserve to suffer) when they know nothing about you other than you're lonely.
>>794170> statistically the median male is already married by the start of his 30's. meanwhile most incels have never even held a girl's hand.It used to be twenties, now it’s thirties?
But now, there’s been an increase of single men past thirty, not counting divorcees or widowers
> college girl is the only option realistically. older women only want wealthy men and single moms are Not An Option for obvious reasons.>I had a funny situation where a girl I was talking to on /soc/ shamed me for only talking to girls 10 years younger than me after she asked about my "experiences" on the board, but it wasn't out of malice it's because they're the only women that are even romantically available. older women actually get MORE ridiculous about their standards and expectationsI haven’t thought about this but in a way you’re right. Older women can and are more ridiculous about romantic standards than younger women are. It’s just that society likes to sympathize older women for not being erotic used and romanticized like their younger counterparts.
People often like to accuse young women of being shallow (myself included) and they can be but they’re more willing to to be flexible with “subpar” dudes.
Even my mom says I should get an older woman for romance but she did warn me to NOT GO FOR SINGLE MOMS. But it’s hard to find any older women who are single that would be still relatively sane. (Not that I’m completely sane anyway)
Anyways, older women can be judgemental of their male age peers who aren’t married or rearing kids.
> yep, exactly. they're all full of shit and just treat you as subhuman for being alone thereby making it impossible to stop being alone. when you talk about your feelings and struggles they just shame you and insist you must be doing something wrong(you must be a misogynist, must be a sperg, must be a gooner, must be selfish, etc therefore you deserve to suffer) when they know nothing about you other than you're lonely.People often like to say that people are meaner online than in real life but I also notice the inverse to be true as well.
Go on Reddit or Quora with all these questions about how to deal with being alone or broke or stuck in shitty jobs. People will respond with advice and cliche affirmational platitudes
But if you read their personal post history, they often use social stereotypes of said losers as comedic slurs.
Or even in real life, people use single men, broke college kids, and aging dead-end job workers as punchlines and jokes
Even as a kid, I never really trusted those positive affirmations that they gave kids whenever a kid hits a losing streak.
I’ve always felt that adults secretly mocked/judged kids for flaws and sure enough I was right.
The same is true for men like yourself in romance
>>794167Self improvement is a scam in the sense that it’s a guilt trip
IMO I think most people don’t have any passions for anything.
It’s just that our modern society is promoting “changing the world” so much and the constant spectacle that pressures people to wanna participate
>>794167the true self improvement only comes after you accept that trying is the root of all failure
>>794122>Going down on a prostituteOne of the worst decisions you can possibly take
I would ask regular women to let me do it in exchange for money, but thats illegal for some reason
>>794200I'm all out of ideas then.
>>794211I think i might start asking random women on the street
Wish me luck anons
If you see the post quality drop, it means im in jail
>>794216This is the second time in twelve hours I have heard people joke about going to jail.
>>794171This guy looks like the most depressed, friendless, virgin incel I've ever seen for this past week.
I'm buying nudes from some random hot chick I found on social media.
What are the ethics of this? Am I ciSSHHet psycho moid for doing this?
>>794218How about this year? We are about half way through the year.
>>794224Unfortunately I have seen people who are far worse off, hence why I could only award him with distinction for a single week.
>>790817Crazy to think this could have been Eliot after just a few years of looksmaxing. Chuddie was born to early for his time man, instead of this he spazzed out and shot all those poor people. Sad :(
>>794286>>794270oh wait it's about men… why did you even post it then???
>>794286>>794287>Feminist bitch immediately attacks lonely male anon when she thinks he made a mistake and is posting data that disproves the idea of most women being whores<When she realizes that the data actually proves his point she immediately wants it to be censored and hiddenI grew up trusting women but repeated betrayal has made me realize that they need to be held to account.
>>794270>ten men in a single study had together sex with up to 2870 women damn
>>794306yeah and 32% of men have 0-1 sex partners throughout their life.
sex inequality is getting just as bad as wealth inequality. it's fucking hopeless.
>>794296how does it prove anything. if you want to prove how many women have had multiple sexual partners why not post a study asking them???
>>794327because women famously underreport their number of sexual partners?
if you really care here's an article about both men and womens average sexual partners. the womens' self-reported number seems hilariously underreported. 40% of women claim they've only had 1 sexual partner their entire life. 40% of men claimed to have more than 10 sexual partners while only 10% of women claimed the same. there's literally no way this is possible. lmao.
https://www.womens-health.com/average-number-of-sexual-partners-statistics >>794329do you realise that one woman can have sex with 500 men in her life? it doesn't have to be a 1:1 correlation between body counts. if one guy has had sex with 100 women, it could be with 1 'normal' woman and 99 very promiscuous women, it doesn't mean actually the average woman has slept with 100 guys
also, maybe women are underreporting, isn't it also possible men are overreporting?
>>794330if 1% of men are having sex with 300+ different women in their lifetime, it's statistically impossible for all of them to be having sex with the same 10% of women. there will be overlap but it's not like these people are all pornstars.
>also, maybe women are underreporting, isn't it also possible men are overreporting?men are overreporting, but that's not really relevant on the top end of the data. men aren't gonna lie about having 300+ sex partners. they're gonna lie about having 5-10 when the real number is maybe 1-2. that's why the first study jumps from 32% of men having 0-1 partners to the next 40% of men claiming an average of 5-7 partners and then a huge jump to 20+. men who are "average" have a greater tendency to exaggerate their achievements than those on the bottom or top ends.
>>794337>if 1% of men are having sex with 300+ different women in their lifetime, it's statistically impossible for all of them to be having sex with the same 10% of womenhow is that impossible? theres some women that sleep around a lot, others that don't. i dont even know why you care about this in the first place though. like you're mad that women dont fuck you but also mad that women sleep around too much, make it make sense.
>>794258
Nah. The women who posted nudes wasn’t coerced. She chose to do that.
You’re just itching for an excuse to flex your misandry.
Also that post is probably a troll post or attention whore
>>794219Shut up you attention whore
>>794330>>794339>>794325>>794270I think we should start restricting or banning sex/romance discussions. I mean seriously.
>>794359you know you could just stop reading the thread if it triggers you instead of demanding everyone else lose their outlet for expressing their grievances.
>>794375Except it’s not contained to this thread. Too many threads on here reek of “TFW no gf” even when the topic doesn’t relate to it. And it’s even ironic that this place cries about misogyny all the time yet they still cry about women not giving them the time of day
>>794376so you think only misogynists can be incels?
>>794377Misandrists can be incels too
Also incel has become a license to whine excessively about the opposite sex
Incel used to mean a quiet frustrated man who is unable to find any prospects due to work or family issues. They’re not bitter not whiny just a bit pent up.
Now it’s just cushy entitled losers with little to no work ethic who think that sex is an automatic given
>>794380>Incel used to mean a quiet frustrated man who is unable to find any prospects due to work or family issues. They’re not bitter not whiny just a bit pent up.incel never meant that and it sounds like what you're upset about is more that "they complain too much and should just hide in the shadows and accept their lot in life".
it very much sounds like how chuds talk about persecuted minorities ngl.
>Now it’s just cushy entitled losers with little to no work ethic who think that sex is an automatic givenyeah this is exactly how chuds talk about anyone who isn't born into privilege lmao.
>>794385>incel never meant that and it sounds like what you're upset about is more that "they complain too much and should just hide in the shadows and accept their lot in life".it very much sounds like how chuds talk about persecuted minorities ngl.
See what I mean? You’re making excuses to be obnoxious about some irrelevant personal problems
Your elite those screeching harpy bourgeois feminists who whine about “misogyny” over some erotic female character when they simp over nude bishonen.
The fact you’re comparing yourself to ethnics being persecuted by Karens is especially proving my point
>>794385>yeah this is exactly how chuds talk about anyone who isn't born into privilege lmao.What did I say that was so wrong?
Why are you brazenly comparing yourself to targeted ethnics?
I am actual friends with illegal immigrants who are in danger of deportation. Your little dry spell is nothing.
>>794385>incel never meant thatINCEL LITERALLY MEANS “INVOLUNTARY CELIBATE”
>>794394the funny thing is I am a persecuted ethnic and yet being at a romantic dead end bothers me infinitely more than dealing with general racism. you learn to deal with racism by just closing yourself off when interacting with racists and minimizing your contact with them. you never learn to deal with being isolated from the entire female sex, 50% of the population, through no fault of your own just because of some intangible attractiveness that you lack. dealing with racists in my day to day life is something I can minimize and I can even fight it directly by making their lives harder and challenging them when possible. seeing happy couples everywhere that just remind me of my own loneliness is not something I can minimize without becoming a hikki.
incidentally my psychiatrist forgot to refill my ssri's because she went on maternity leave and now the clinic is refusing to refill them until i see a new psychiatrist a month from now and i've been going through withdrawals. even when i try to do the right thing and seek treatment to numb the pain, normie sexhavers make my life worse lol>>794396yes, the point is incel never meant quirky shy men that hid their loneliness. even before the term existed these men were ridiculed and called creeps just for existing while single. the argument that incels somehow "went bad" and are now suddenly insufferable is disingenuous. these men have always been lonely, always been vocal about it, and always been hated by society for it. characterizing it that way only seems to have the intent of making incels stop talking about their issues and keep to themselves, further enforcing the incel assumption that society doesn't care about them.
literally the only thing that changed is that incels stopped being isolated in their homes and in their heads and started developing online communities where they could communicate their loneliness directly into the world. this upsets normies immensely for some reason and they wish we would just go back to silently suffering instead of making it their problem. even in out of the way dead imageboards where you would think social undesirables would be free to air out their suffering among fellow losers, you still get normies trying to push us out. like the response from the world seems to be that they just wish we'd die, for nothing more than the crime of being unloved.
>>794408I would also like a demon or monster girlfriend. I don't want her to rape me though.
>>794409and i want a samodiva, a rusalka or a halla (a halla is a woman-like magical being that is very powerful, but not as much as a zmei)
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>>794401The solution would be to stop pathologizing young adult sexuality
Honestly though I find it amazing that it’s ok for adults to make sexlessness into crisis when we condemn teenagers for doing that
>>794401There are a lot of single sexless adults that are lonely
Elderly women and single moms and older widowers. They’re not out there shitting up the Internet with their sexual frustration
The problem is with you is that you focus far too much on romantic prospects as a marker of humanity
And for you to minimize racism compared to singlehood is sad.
Maybe we should have racial holocausts everywhere so that men and women are forced to bond with each other
>>794426>Elderly women and single moms and older widowers. They’re not out there shitting up the Internet with their sexual frustration They mostly had sex though. Plus many of them aren't really good at using the internet. I guess when you get older or become responsible for a child it's not as important.
>>794432A lot of childrearing adults sneak off to fuck.
Especially the men.
A lot of family men over forty are often getting their fudge packed or fucking their daughters or their daughters’ friends, etc
I think the real problem is that society wants to gatekeep sexual autonomy from young people.
>>794437Sexual/romantic love isn’t the only form of love
Fraternal and familial love are more essential to life yet they’re never discussed as much as sex and romance.
People like you who choose to prioritize romance/sex as your source of happiness will pass by lonely abandoned elderly folk who just want someone to talk to so they can feel human again.
You will walk on by fellow young single men not bothering to converse with them or fraternize with them because they’re not curvy and cute
>>794441none of the forms of love can replace eachother and I think you know this but you're just being disingenuous.
>>794437If a teenager complaining about feeling lonely at school and home were to vent their problems online like this, would you sympathize with them or would you dismiss them as hormonal attention whores?
Because when teens do the same thing you do, they’re seen as a nuisance.
>>794441Jokes on you. I don't do that for anybody. Or try not to anyways. If a curvy attractive woman is nice I'll like it more though.
>>794442I don’t say they’re replaceable but you’re putting too much focus on sex and romance.
Sex and romance can only be properly accessed after experiencing and giving fraternal and familial love
>>794445it's not about "putting focus" on anything if I was missing family or friends I would feel the same way. all 3 forms of love are important for a person to feel emotionally fulfilled. you can't be a complete person without family, friends, and romance. and I know you're going to bring up aromantic/asexual people who have fulfillment without romance, but those individuals are extremely rare. you can't psyop yourself into becoming one.
>>794451Then you have to admit that men that society needs to stop gatekeeping young people from sex and relationships
>>794452I don't know what you're talking about? No one gatekeeps young people from sex and relationships.
>>794455Maybe then you should stop complaining about not getting any sex and romance.
You’re making it into a bigger issue than even racism makes me not want to take you’d seriously
>>794459>>794460No one should have sex or relationships at any age, it only reproduces captialism
>>794459
>Schooos discourage students from having relationships.
>Even when you come of age, society discourages young people from pursuing sex and relationships.
do you live in the middle east or something? I went to school in America and almost every single girl I knew was in a relationship in middle/high school and the teachers did no such "discouraging". Many of them got married right out of high school and are still married to this day. Their parents were fully supportive. There is no stigma about young people being in relationships and idk what the fuck you're talking about.
>>794462Where in America do you live? The Midwest?
Most adults do everything in their power to stop teens from dating and sex.
Especially nowadays.
But ok then, why are people having their first times at a much later age in life nowadays?
>>794461This.
Plus we have too many humans on earth
>>794463>But ok then, why are people having their first times at a much later age in life nowadays?because education at an early age defines your life way more than it did in the past. it's no longer enough to have a college degree, you need a college degree AND 10 years of experience just to be able to afford a house. young people have more pressure on them than ever in human history to maximize the value of their youth so they can enter the workforce and have "10 years experience" as soon as possible. even as recently as the 1990's you could be a high school drop out in your 30's and get your GED and go to night school and find a good job. nowadays you'd be lucky to get a janitor position with a masters degree in your 30's if you have no relevant work history, and fucking no one wants to hire you when they can hire a fresh college grad in their early 20's.
but the shorter answer is that young people are still partying and having sex, the average age of virginity loss is still like 14-15 in the west; being a virgin man in your 30's is still considered extremely weird and for most women that in itself is a red flag that will doom you to permanent virginity. it's definitely not the norm to wait to have sex.
Capable people should not be allowed to do the "I'm so stupid and useless" act. I hate it very much.
>>794469What if you just want to get out of doing something? Most likely you would've done it badly. But I guess that means you're not capable.
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what the fuck
what do people normally do about anxiety. just smoke weed or something. it's crazy gay balls that i'm 25 and i still worry about people thinking i'm annoying or getting owned
>>794500 are you showing us that bloody bussy or what????
>>794520what sort of anxiety, i'm about to start therapy to deal with anxiety and i'm 35 lol
>>794513that's good isn't it? part of my drama about growing old, and finding out about myself is discovering how far apart i am/am becoming from my idealich
>>794337>if 1% of men are having sex with 300+ different women in their lifetime, it's statistically impossible for all of them to be having sex with the same 10% of women. there will be overlap but it's not like these people are all pornstars.it's called soliciting, and it seems to me that it's actually fairly possible. in fact i would expect there to be overlap in this little circuit of johns and sex workers. in fact, having met a girl who did lots of sugar dating with her sister, it was common to end up dating the same guy eventually.
>>794468Your second paragraph contradicts your first one. How can the median age for virginity loss be fourteen and fifteen when societal pressure for career aspirations are at an all time high?
If anything, parents and teachers are more imposing on social lives of students nowadays than previous due to increased liability laws and child rearing costs have went up along with fear of groomers and unplanned pregnancies.
And studies have shown that people born after the 1980s/early 90s have less opportunities for sex and dating in their teens and early twenties.
>>794468>being a virgin man in your 30's is still considered extremely weird and for most women that in itself is a red flag that will doom you to permanent virginity. it's definitely not the norm to wait to have sex.You sweet summer child.
The virginal bachelor past thirty is becoming more common nowadays.
Sex is scarce and now often involves pre planning especially since most prime age adults don’t own their own place
>>794523>>794520People often say that you care less about others opinions of you as you get older.
But I think that’s a typical boomer platitude that’s given to cope with aging
A lot of older people struggle with self image but they’re given a lot more social power.
>>794513I cope with imagining an AU where I’m not a loser. I have been doing so since childhood
Trying to make yourself into the ideal persona in meatspace never works.
It’s better to make it into an OC
>>794144>I think women kind of just take it for granted that men always want to spend time with them and don't fully appreciate how soulcrushing it is to be alone.Have you considered that maybe women get tired of men hounding then for attention all the time?
>>794467We had contraceptives and antibiotics back then but they weren’t made as convenient.
Also, the Roaring Twenties was the era of opium and cocaine.
>>794462>I went to school in America and almost every single girl I knew was in a relationship in middle/high school and the teachers did no such "discouraging". Many of them got married right out of high school and are still married to this day. Their parents were fully supportiveThat’s because those couples were probably emotionally established with each other before dating.
>>794545>Have you considered that maybe women get tired of men hounding then for attention all the time?oh no, the horror of people wanting to be around you and being nice to you. how absolutely awful for them. truly i need to check my privilege of being socially isolated and treated like a criminal just for existing because at least I'm not as unfortunate as the average woman who uh…just wants to be left alone or something.
>>794557Most of the time, men being overly friendly with women means they're trying to flirt. And women know this, but will only accept from a tolerable minority.
It's one thing to be nice and friendly but to want to be around you all the time?
I'm a man and I would get annoyed with people trying to be all up in my personal space wanting excessive "platonic" affection from me.
>>794524People like to talk about how they get better with age but they still are inclined to bias and vice and are too blinded by nostalgia
>>794547From my experience, it was mostly the popular Stacies at my gymnasium
>>794561Have you considered using romantic fanfiction to cope?
Being semi-serious here.
Why is it easier finish a jerk off session when I'm semi-soft? When I'm hard it takes more effort to finish.
>>794565Same problems here
>>794575now this is board culture
>>794575Hormones are a terrible factor for political beliefs.
In fact I say that hormones are over blamed for all faux pas rather than social conditioning of how psychosomatic pathologies are treated
When I was like 19 I got played by some Iranian eGirl on discord. She was a complete bitch and I hope she’s suffering now
Zara, it’s been nearly a decade but I haven’t forgotten. You laid the foundation for my hatred of women
is it possible to have positive relationships with women? feels like they're just being transactional all of the time. being a heterosexual male is the worst struggle. even my lesbian friends agree that het women are insufferable.
>>794645Only on a professional or work related level and also on the familial level. On the basis of romance it doesn't seem like it.
>>794104I would totally bring up Microsoft Intune on a date. Wtf.
>>794645I've even heard from lesbians "being the guy" in the relationship fucking sucks ass too. They complain about the same shit. Even not as a male you are being demanded of everything while getting no real affection, no appreciation, just a clam to eat.
>>794647ngl even the women in my family are kind of cunts. my mom is really blunt all the time and just says super cruel shit without caring. one time my sister brought home a dog that didn't get along with my cat and my mom just was like "we should just put the cat to sleep" like my cat wasn't even old or sick or anything it was just because the dog was a shiny new toy and she was bored of the cat. i almost started a physical fight over it tbqh. my sister might be a psychopath idk she works at an investment bank and brags about her income while bullying everyone around her.
>>794645everything's a transaction, women or not. if you mean materialistic types, you'll have better luck with non-american women, though asians (especially northeast ones) tend to be pretty materialistic.
on another note two coworkers tattooed a single mom's name on themselves. first guy (already broken up) on his chest. second on his neck. same font and colors too lmao. chest guy now has to live with that. guess women are right, guys are fucking retarded
>>794650My mother has often joked about poisoning cats because they annoy her. She doesn't really like dogs either. We did have a dog when I was younger but that was because of me And an aunt giving us one of her dogs although we didn't really take good care of him. We basically abandoned him in the end.
>>794718When incels talk about their looksmatch this is what they mean. Like top 5% hottest women. Absolutely delusional.
>>794651>guess women are right, guys are fucking retardedWomen do the same thing funnily enough but it’s considered wrong to call women retarded for their flaws
>>794749How is that bitch top 5% are you mentally retarded? Just the mere fact of her being on twitter is enough to knock her down to the bottom 30% even before factoring in anything from her physical appearance. Girls with tons of activity on social media are the female equivalent of guys addicted to videogames. No one likes that shit.
>>794749Where are you from you would call that top 5%?
>>794718TBF in America, just being a normal weight does put you in the top 5%.
Everyone calm down, she is with her looksmatch.
>>791801Aren’t you also Catholic, justifying your whoredom with “God forgives all” or something?
>>794783This post is just wrong
Youth doesn’t mean automatic prenium for women. Most young women aren’t as hot as you think. And the looksmatch for Average young men isn’t some out of shape out of prime women.
Your logic is completely cartoonish and jocular
>>794783go back to crystal cafe you have had your head filled with ridiculous feminist nonsense.
men do not have "looksmatch"
men have "moneymatch"
the more money they have the more variety of women they can pursue.
an obese balding millionaire in his 50s can hit on and be accepted as a sexual partner by an 18 year old (or lower, as Epstein revealed).
everyone seems to be making fun of indians on social media right now but the truth is the rich indian men have zero problems getting girls and all the videos being shared mocking indian men are displaying the ones making minimum wage or below. all videos making fun of men, not just indian men, are explicitly classist because they all pick on the poor and lumpenprole. only feminist retards are stupid enough to mistake it as a generalization of men as a sex.
>>794783I think you have been brainfried from lookism forums. Do you ever go outside at all?
Most young women are dating their male peers of the same age.
Most young women aren’t that beautiful nor desirable.
“Youth comes with a premium for women” is “moid” logic.
>>794789It’s no use talking to imagebaord users about how heterosexual dating works for prime age adults
They’re solipsistic to a fault and will complain about “reality being a clown world” when real life doesn’t conform to their theories
>>794645Cis homo males have also complained about cishet females
>>794649Butch lesbians are treated like shit by the more girly-girl types
>>794783>She is above average looking even for her age group,She is kinda cute like in the same way her boyfriend is kinda cute:
>>794767Top 5% would mean that in a class of 20 random women her age, she would be the hottest one, that doesn't really jive with my experience.
>rest of the dumb rantYou need to get out more.
>>794797Yes of course, I'm reading some HMOFA slop on my other tab at the moment
>>794801What is HMOFA
>>794800Hebegynophilia is a helluva drug. Thats why whenever I hear people like that anon talking about “looksmatch for average young man is a single mom or fat girl”, I tune them out.
>>794804Is that Unfabulous?
>>794806Human male on female anthro
>>794718>Blaming electronic media for time-old problemsBefore the Internet, before TV, before magazines, men would be even more simpish for average looking women
>>794808What are your thoughts on kemonomimi?
>>794812I’m talking about the pic in
>>794804Anyways, I think girls with freckles are hella cute
Unpopular opinion: most supermodel looking girls are too plain looking to be arousing.
It’s not that they’re ugly but rather that their looks are exaggerated. They’re good looking but it’s in a cliche/display window kind of way
>>794810kemonomimi are fucking damn cute though
>>794804why tf does this give me Fran Bow flashbacks? I mean, it is my favorite vidya though
>>794825Does this mean that gay men are the biggest misogynist?
>>794426Incels are right to make society pay attention to their problems. What these other groups have in common is that they are temporal, you can't be a single mom or a widower your entire life but you sure can be an incel.
>>794841So it’s ok for adult males to shit up the Internet over their dry spells?
Never mind the fact that there are worse problems like not being able to afford rent or being stuck in dead end jobs with overbearing parents?
But ok I will bite.
If you believe what you say, you shouldn’t have any complaints when teenagers venting their angst online about being bullied or cold shouldered by peers
>>794825it's only hetero men that don't like it, women do like it.
>>794783Go outside and talk to middle-aged women for a change. They don't see the world this way.
>>794844>you shouldn’t have any complaints when teenagers venting their angst online about being bullied or cold shouldered by peerswho the fuck complains when teens get pissed off wit getting bullied or feeling invisible? psychopaths?? that's like a reasonable thing to get angry about..people actually shit on teens for complaining about getting bullied
>>794825I was with you until you started blaming it on gays.
I don’t think those fashion designers are gay.
Male Flamboyance is more heterosexual in origin than you think
>>794831I swear this board loves to make the dumbest assumptions. Although some of our biggest critics against women were cishomo males funnily enough
>>794825I'm actually in love with Jenna Ortega so I can find her weird spooky alien face attractive.
>>794851I knew you'd bite. Anyone else have any thoughts about my wild claims about gay men?
>>794767Slightly brown Charlie Kirky.
>>794783>average normal young man's looksmatch is a used up single mom 20 years his senior that already had her "fun" phase in her 20's and needs a provider for her babythats insane thinking honestly. can we stop putting women on a pedestal for one fucking second?
>>794850> people actually shit on teens for complaining about getting bulliedAnd that’s sad. Bullying is a serious problem that’s downplayed a lot due to pop culture always comicalizing childhood so much. Awkwardness and suffering are reduced to “endearingly cringe memories “ to be laughed off.
When adults face discrimination for their looks, they’re not dismissed or downplayed.
>>794848Middle aged women are average but I do feel that men do tend to look down on them too much for not being as docile or pretty as they were before age thirty five
looksmatch for a non-white proletarian man is literally nothing
>>794844It would be great to have teenagers using the internet like anything close to normal human beings again instead of getting brain damage from staring at tiktok 10 hours a day. Because that's what they do nowadays. It's extremely bleak.
>>794859Leftypol is more brainwarped than even 4chan about women.
4chan will just find another female avatar to jack off to and just stick to complaining about “le Jewish elite”
>>794863It would be nice for adult males like yourself to use the Internet like a normal human being instead of getting brain damage from imageboards and radlib commentary vids for ten hours straight.
Because that’s what your kind does nowadays. Pretty bleak
>>794863Do you even interact with younger people or do you just interact with them via stereotypes?
>>794860>Middle aged women are average but I do feel that men do tend to look down on them too much for not being as docile or pretty as they were before age thirty fivemiddle aged women all had their phase of being desirable and attractive, many of them had so much sex that they're now a single mom, and yet you faggots keep trying to twist the discussion to give sympathy to them. meanwhile most men go their entire lives without being attractive to anyone, never receiving any positive attention, and your only response is "eat shit moid." you guys are fucking insane.
also the funniest part of this is I have actually tried dating middle aged women as a man in my 30's and it's so much fucking harder. they literally only care about one thing: money. doesn't matter if they have their own job or if they come from a rich or poor family, it's all about fucking money. 19 year old college girls aren't just more attractive but also more attainable. if middle aged women actually felt lonely they would change their standards instead of endlessly chasing rich doctors and ceo's.
>>794846So it’s like how hyper muscles are something that only cishet males like, not cishet females
>>794859The insane thing is that the idiot at
>>794783 doesn't even talk to middle-aged women or he would know that these women couldn't care less about young men in the first place because they're not providers at all. It's such a dumb fucking thing to say and it could only be said by someone who's trying to be an edgelord.
>>794870I don’t deny this but I’m saying that you look down on them for not being as cute and chipper.
Now I do agree that older women are wrong to complain about not getting any sexual/romantic attention anymore when they had their fill.
Also, most middle aged women settle for men with less than glamourous jobs.
The one thing middle aged women want is constant affirmation about their own aesthetic value.
And younger women aren’t all automatically more attractive. You’re forgetting that some women are plain if not ugly or awkward in their teens and twenties.
Also, younger women aren’t easily more attainable. At least the attractive ones aren’t
Older women are better partners if they’re rich and not clingy/insecure/jealous and aren’t tied down with kids
But unfortunately most don’t fit this profile.
>>794872Are you
>>794870?
Young men can be providers but our economy and increased age span for adolescence has dealt them a bad hand. What’s even worse is that women will never want to be providers, only pampered pets
>>794872> It's such a dumb fucking thing to say and it could only be said by someone who's trying to be an edgelordNot an edgelord but rather a pseudo intellectual. Although pseudo intellectuals do tend to overlap with edgelords
>>794863Hating on TikTok is just now some moralfagging bandwagon. Because hating on FaceBook got old.
The same people hating on TokTok are the same ones who reminisce about Vine which was TikTok of the 2010s
>>794871correct, yes. though i think even most men don't like bodybuilder type muscles
>>794876True. I think body building muscles kinda look ugly and they say weightlifting can damage your hamstrings and affect cardiac health
>>794873>I don’t deny this but I’m saying that you look down on them for not being as cute and chipper.no I don't, they're the ones who look down on me lol.
older women aren't victims of society. they create their own loneliness. have you ever talked to one before?
>>794883I have. Not all older women were former whores turned spinsters.
Some were actually modest women who got stuck in abusive or apathetic relationships
>>794870> meanwhile most men go their entire lives without being attractive to anyone, never receiving any positive attention, and your only response is "eat shit moid." you guys are fucking insaneYou sound like the bitter man hating feminists who are still hung up about not being a sex goddess in high school and college
>>794884even those women would not date a broke man in his 30's.
>>794885I am a feminist incel though I'm not a man hater.
>>794889Would you date a broke women in her thirties or a single mom?
If the answer is no, then you shouldn’t complain
>I’m a feminist incelSimp-to-incel pipeline confirmed
>>794887“Woman” means “adult female”
People who make it into a secret signal for noncery are brain fried and are projecting their own fear of aging
>>794890>Would you date a broke women in her thirties or a single mom?broke yes, but fuck no i'm not raising chad's baby.
>>794893Broke women can be like oversized toddlers however
At least single moms can be held in contempt for trying to fuck you over
Broke bachelorettes on the other hand are free from this social burden
>>794895being broke is really not a big deal if you can take care of yourself. there's a ton of cheap activities you can do together.
single moms are just looking to have their cake and eat it too after chad left them. i don't care for them and i will never date one no matter how beautiful she is because it just doesn't match my personal values. all the best to them or whatever, but i'm not raising another man's child, and there's nothing wrong with that. they should just date their "looksmatch" which in this case is a single father.
>>794897>being broke is really not a big deal if you can take care of yourself. there's a ton of cheap activities you can do together. Yea which will be wasting money on booze or drugs or whatnot.
And they can sell their Pusey to get quick cash an end up getting pregnant from some other guy which leaned to single moms.
The single moms you look down are the female brokies of yesterday
>>794898>Yea which will be wasting money on booze or drugs or whatnot.not really. museums/aquariums are not that expensive. the most expensive aquarium i know of is like $80/ticket, which sure that's a lot of money but even as a broke man I can afford to take a girl on a date there. stuff like anime cons or other hobby spaces are also not that expensive. the park is also always free.
ive probably spent the last like 15 years of my life hopelessly thinking about how i'd wanna go on a date with a girl that i know doesn't exist tbqh. it really isn't that hard to have fun if she isn't a gold digger and is ok with actual activities instead of just buying her shit. but that type of woman isn't going to be single in her 30's anyway. only gold diggers end up like that because they spent their entire youth bringing nothing to their relationships except sex appeal and once that disappeared they had nothing. even a random 30 year old woman goes on constant dates if she has a 4/10 or above personality. i'm "friends" with quite a few of them.
>>794851>I was with you until you started blaming it on gays.Fine, fair enough.
>I don’t think those fashion designers are gay.True, Rick Owens or whatever is straight isn't he. I think most fashion designers are gay or women, at least for female oriented fashion.
>Male Flamboyance is more heterosexual in origin than you thinkFashion isn't even about flamboyance. Nowadays it's about some weird Satan worshipping aesthetic to be edgy or whatever. Spirit cooking and all that.
>>794767>>794718she's kinda hot ngl. unfortunately, she's a tiktok "comedian" and that lands her squarely at 0.
>>794901> not really. museums/aquariums are not that expensive. the most expensive aquarium i know of is like $80/ticket, which sure that's a lot of money but even as a broke man I can afford to take a girl on a date there. stuff like anime cons or other hobby spaces are also not that expensive. the park is also always freeThat’s not gonna be appealing as the first choice for a lot of women. They’re gonna prefer going to the bar or a dine in restaurant or a movie theater date.
> ive probably spent the last like 15 years of my life hopelessly thinking about how i'd wanna go on a date with a girl that i know doesn't exist tbqh.The kind of girl that will appreciate your dates will be a plain looking nerdy/shy college girl.
> it really isn't that hard to have fun if she isn't a gold digger and is ok with actual activities instead of just buying her shit. but that type of woman isn't going to be single in her 30's anyway. only gold diggers end up like that because they spent their entire youth bringing nothing to their relationships except sex appeal and once that disappeared they had nothing. even a random 30 year old woman goes on constant dates if she has a 4/10 or above personality. i'm "friends" with quite a few of them.Thirty isn’t old for female attractiveness. Forty-five is.
So of course there will be more plentiful tricenarian bachelorettes than you think.
Have you ever considered that not all prime age women are taken or otherwise ugly?
That maybe they’re in hiding just like you?
>>794904> True, Rick Owens or whatever is straight isn't he. I think most fashion designers are gay or women, at least for female oriented fashion. I don’t think fashion design is cishomo male. I think they’re straight but they don’t conform to the stereotypical machismo that’s the main definition of masculinity.
> Fashion isn't even about flamboyance. Nowadays it's about some weird Satan worshipping aesthetic to be edgy or whatever. Spirit cooking and all that.Provide evidence or else it’s just another baseless claim. The “satanic” /edgy aesthetics are outliers. Most fashion is more about looking stunning and divine.
>>794915> kinda, i think part of the reason for removing your cheek fat as a A-list actress is to land "more serious roles", because people don't take you as seriously if you have a baby face, the alternative is waiting well into your 30s for your buccal fat to naturally disappear. it's almost funny how contradictory high fashion and celebrity culture is.People complain about fashion and aesthetics being youth-oriented but actual youthful aesthetics are shunned. Especially in males.
>>794919>Have you ever considered that not all prime age women are taken or otherwise ugly?>That maybe they’re in hiding just like you?why would I consider a lie?
i've spent enough time on the internet to know any time women claim to be lonely they're lying.
>>794922Do you want to suck me off?
>>794922I understand that our current dating climate does breed entitlement but that doesn’t mean women complaining bout loneliness is false
You complain about feeling lonely but you refuse to date female commoners because they aren’t virginal or as pretty as you like
It goes both ways.
I’m lonely because I choose to be.
People are troublesome whenever it gets beyond the friendship level
And especially now that helicopter parenting is the norm, alot of adults are now riddled with hangups about dating and sex. They’re quick to assume that everyone is abandoning/betraying them for not wanting to be smothered by them all the time.
>>794926i'm not into transgenders sorry
>>794928>You complain about feeling lonely but you refuse to date female commoners because they aren’t virginal or as pretty as you like what does this even mean? the only thing i've said this entire thread regarding my "standards" is that i refuse to date a single mother.
>>794936Why not? No risk of pregnancy and more mutual respect for keeping things private
>>794921>People complain about fashion and aesthetics being youth-oriented but actual youthful aesthetics are shunned.no i really think it's a market differentiator, youthful faces are more for fast fashion garbage for the proles, sharp faces are haute couture. reminds me of triangle of sadness: models smiling is for h&m, serious faces for balenciaga. i think it's elite cope, they're obviously pedos and hire young talent, but they don't want to LOOK like pedos.
>>794951A lot of fashion discourse/analysis just sounds like "inside baseball" type speculating. The reason fashion designers fetishize coke face is because they're all on coke and they like models that participate in the culture of doing coke and orgies. That's it. They pressure models to engage in this culture and force young women to get surgeries to look more busted up so they can "fit in" but the core reason the industry loves sickly faces is just that it's a reflection of the people controlling the industry's sexual proclivities. there isn't any artistic meaning behind it but people will try to find one anyway.
this is most evident with the "child actress" phenomenon that has kind of died out but was big in the 00's and 10's. women like ariana grande, the olson twins, amanda bynes, and miley cyrus, and most recently jenna ortega got completely destroyed by the industry from attending coke parties all day long and sucking Weinstein's dick.
i feel out of touch when i find pedostaches or fleece outerwear completely uncool yet they seem to be "in" (at least on insta/tiktok circles)
>>794963I never thought pedostaches would be "in" but I guess everything is in style at some point. There was a time fedoras and anime graphic tees were considered cool.
>>794951Hiring young talent doesn’t necessarily mean pedo. Predatory though? Yes
If it were older people, they would still have the same predatory practices.
But for real, youthful aesthetics aren’t really accepted outside of superhero media and self deprecation be comedy and even then there seems to be contempt.
>>794959This. People like to make any mundane scandal sound more profound than it really is
>>794963“Pedostaches” were a thing back in the 1970s. Irony is most actual pedos don’t even don that kind of look.
>>794966Remember baggy clothes being the big thing in the late 1990s and pan-2000s?
>>794825I wish we had more androgynous women
Androgynous men are oversold
>>794825The real glamorous beauties are e-thots
>>794996>androgynous>really just drug addicts with meth faceew dude don't encourage that shit
>>794998You’re saying that this disgusts you?
Also you imageboard users are into serious fucked up shit so I don’t think you have the right to judge what is or isn’t proper
>>794999that woman most definitely has a severe eating disorder.
>>795011you want proof that someone whose collarbone is protruding so far that her necklace hangs off of it has an eating disorder?
Can’t stop gooning to jav, I’m javsexual
>>795083Got any JAV recommendations? Some classics for a newbie?
>the Bull came inside again
>>795332Fuck it went in so deep
I think I've got 99% of it out but there's so much cum
Been a while since I got my dick sucked, need my dick sucked
>>795363“Nice guys finish last” as they say.
I used to dismiss that proverb as just some pissy ass sore loser shit but after seeing several acquaintances being put through the ringer, I realise that saying is one of the few platitudes that is true
>>795380ive been kind of going through it lately and the thought of becoming an abusechad has never seemed more appealing to me. i'm kinda learning that having a conscience or sense of mutual respect is actually a huge weakness in dating. if i just literally walked up to women and was like "hey girl you have nice tits can i get a squeeze?" i'd probably have waaaay more success than i currently do trying to be polite and develop a bond before asking for a date lol. by that point it's almost always too late.
>>795380i always thought that meant that a kind man will never reach orgasm until he has satisfied his partner fully
i think i'm too white to get yakuza/cartel/gang tattoos but what are some common white guy abusechad tattoos? I know the nautical star is one and also anything involving the joker. prison stuff like teardrops are a bit too gang-adjacent for a non-neo-nazi white guy. do abusechads get girls' names tattooed on them or is that pussy shit?
gonna shave my head and just get a bunch of these shitty tats and hope for the best.
>>795386We're already on to the new thread, and what I was thinking about posting about the whole "nice guy" thing in the new thread in relation to something we were discussing.
>>795353>>795326<“Washed” is what I would’ve called him to my friends if I’d been feeling honest and not just looking to get laid. Not get laid in the way men do, to quickly satisfy a physical urge — Lord knows I didn’t think there was any chance he was exceptional in bed or likely to make me come (besides, even if that were a possibility, I could do that at home in three minutes and experience the same mind-numbing seconds I would with him). What I wanted was his attention: I wanted to feel a man’s desire and to be reminded that I was a sexual being, not just a mother of a toddler. The lame bar would have to do>She looks down on male sexuality but wants sexual validation from men. I think from my experience, that's what's it's about. It's not about "uyghing" women, it's about not giving them validation. It's like the old male-oriented expression: "Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?" In reference to sex. Meaning why would someone go steady with or marry a woman when they withold sex. For women, the validation is the milk, so when you give the validation for free, why would they buy the cow?
But truth be told, these people are just mentally fucked and it's better to not become involved with them IMHO. There are decent women out there even if somewhat hard to find. I can't be bothered to engage in the mind games. Imagine living in a world where you have to perform all the time for your survival, then in your freetime you're still performing just for some crazy person's approval.
>>795387That’s what it should mean. Unfortunately, as another anon said in another thread, life exists to spite us.
>>795386Not exactly true. Being a vulgar rapey asshole male only works for good looking witty built guys. If you’re plain in your looks, wit, abilities, and aura, you’re just gonna get FAFO’ed.
>>795390Shapeshift into a yaoi character. Getting all that lumpen aesthetic shit rarely looks good outside of movies and music videos
>>795391>But truth be told, these people are just mentally fucked and it's better to not become involved with them IMHO. There are decent women out there even if somewhat hard to find. I can't be bothered to engage in the mind games. Imagine living in a world where you have to perform all the time for your survival, then in your freetime you're still performing just for some crazy person's approval.This. At the end of the day, homo sapien is just another species of animal
>>795392>Getting all that lumpen aesthetic shit rarely looks good outside of movies and music videosive never seen a guy that looks like that who didn't have like 5 baby mamas. you're misinformed.
>>795386>>795390This is the same shit we condemn right wingers for contemplating
Whether we want to admit it or not, Leftypol shares more with the alt right than with progressives
>>795394Maybe because those baby mommas are ghetto bitches?
Not all females that are scored are hotties
>>795386>i'm kinda learning that having a conscience or sense of mutual respect is actually a huge weakness in dating. Male innocence/benevolence is mocked by feminists and machismo alike
>>795391>But truth be told, these people are just mentally fucked and it's better to not become involved with them IMHO.I find it impossible to believe this considering how much a person's sexual success defines their value in the modern age. Dating garbage is still better than being alone honestly.
>There are decent women out there even if somewhat hard to find.Nah I tried for years there aren't any.
>I can't be bothered to engage in the mind games. Imagine living in a world where you have to perform all the time for your survival, then in your freetime you're still performing just for some crazy person's approval.that's only if you take it seriously and don't just accept them as a fundamentally broken person that is only good for sex and having fun.
>>795395>This is the same shit we condemn right wingers for contemplatingright-wingers and left-wingers also agree that the sky is blue. should we reject that fact too?
women aren't really shy about their shallowness. go to the other thread or just read that anon's quoted post if you want a perfect example of what american women think about the opposite sex. they fucking hate us lol.
look man, I spent my teens and 20's thinking you can just be sincere and honest with women and they'll see the good in you and love you. I was the "nice guy" for basically my entire adult life. all it gets me is being the guy they traumadump to when the abusechad rapes them only to go back to the abusechad. but this is akin to a fairy tale. it's equivalent to thinking you can be successful in life just working hard and giving a firm handshake. both right wingers and left wingers agree that the system is broken, both economically and sexually. right-wingers just have different ideas on the "solution"(mass genocide and sexual slavery) while left-wingers believe in "redistribution of wealth" and "economic justice" but still haven't come up with a solution for the sex crisis because "redistribution of sex" and "sexual justice" scares the womenfolk.
so for me as a lonely 30-something white leftist incel loser that can't lean on my ideological allies but also doesn't want to be a nazi, the only option is to just lean into the status quo and become an abusechad that women lust after. "being yourself" and expecting the world to reward you can only let you cope for so long. eventually you have to give up to the peer pressure and just accept that women like those guys more than you and you have to learn from them.
>>795402>right-wingers and left-wingers also agree that the sky is blue. should we reject that fact too?The sky isn’t actually blue. It merely diffuses blue light more when the sun is higher in the sky. When the sun is at low angles, more red light is scattered.
Also the sky is filled with infrared, long-wave ultraviolet, microwaves, and radio waves but our human eyes cannot visually detect that
>>795402>women aren't really shy about their shallowness. go to the other thread or just read that anon's quoted post if you want a perfect example of what american women think about the opposite sex. they fucking hate us lol.They don’t hate men. They don’t really respect or appreciate men or each other.
>look man, I spent my teens and 20's thinking you can just be sincere and honest with women and they'll see the good in you and love you. I was the "nice guy" for basically my entire adult life. all it gets me is being the guy they traumadump to when the abusechad rapes them only to go back to the abusechad. but this is akin to a fairy tale. it's equivalent to thinking you can be successful in life just working hard and giving a firm handshake. That’s because you coddled them and never gave them accountability. Not your fault, it’s just how men are willfully retarded with prime age women
>both right wingers and left wingers agree that the system is broken, both economically and sexually. right-wingers just have different ideas on the "solution"(mass genocide and sexual slavery) while left-wingers believe in "redistribution of wealth" and "economic justice" but still haven't come up with a solution for the sex crisis because "redistribution of sex" and "sexual justice" scares the womenfolk.Sexual redistribution is objectification tbh. If we have to resort to such a system, it’s just gonna result in a lot more inequality. It’s like teachers forcing students to split into teams. The losers will just be left standing with no partner.
>so for me as a lonely 30-something white leftist incel loser that can't lean on my ideological allies but also doesn't want to be a nazi, the only option is to just lean into the status quo and become an abusechad that women lust after. "being yourself" and expecting the world to reward you can only let you cope for so long. eventually you have to give up to the peer pressure and just accept that women like those guys more than you and you have to learn from them.You can simply choose not to play. Why do you obsess yourself with things that don’t work out for you? And being an abuse chad rarely works out. A lot of those women that end up with abuse chads aren’t all naive impressionable maidens. Some are amoral semi-opportunists.
>>795402>I find it impossible to believe this considering how much a person's sexual success defines their value in the modern age. Dating garbage is still better than being alone honestlyOnly the most delusional people believe this. Not even teens fall for this.
Sexual success is defined by personal prospects.
Do you have any hobbies, any good looks, or lots of money or own any property? If not, then shut up and get good
Man I was about to respond to the post, and then a number of other posts suddenly appeared. Seems like the topics we are talking about in a general sense: Being attractive to women, not getting-cancelled after having sex with women, not having sex with women through verifiable records and being publicly denounced for that. And much more. It's a crazy world out here.
>>795411>>795391>>795391>>795326I mean shit, you could think you're having your dream come true, you scored a date with a famous Hollywood actress, then you wake up to find an article about how you're "washed" in your local magazine.
>I knew he was new to New York when he picked the bar. It was on a street that had felt cool and exciting to me in 2014, when I’d first moved to the city, and probably was, before the Australian café that does matcha art opened around the corner and women who could afford a uniform of Miu Miu bags and Alo sets moved into the fire-escape apartments. My date was older than me, and though I’d seen him on Instagram, he was more like a walking, talking Myspace page: bright hoodies, obnoxious gold jewelry, with a preference for passé hipster bars like the one he’d chosen.
>“Washed” is what I would’ve called him to my friends if I’d been feeling honest and not just looking to get laid. Not get laid in the way men do, to quickly satisfy a physical urge — Lord knows I didn’t think there was any chance he was exceptional in bed or likely to make me come (besides, even if that were a possibility, I could do that at home in three minutes and experience the same mind-numbing seconds I would with him). What I wanted was his attention: I wanted to feel a man’s desire and to be reminded that I was a sexual being, not just a mother of a toddler. The lame bar would have to do. >>795408>You can simply choose not to play.I wish I could properly express to you how insane it is to tell someone to just accept spending their entire life without a shred of human affection, but I think you already know and don't actually believe this statement.
>>795408>Sexual redistribution is objectification tbh. If we have to resort to such a system, it’s just gonna result in a lot more inequality. It’s like teachers forcing students to split into teams. The losers will just be left standing with no partner.at this point assigning people a partner using nothing but a random lottery with the sole purpose of maintaining the birthrate at replacement levels would be better than the current system. dating is fucked.
>>795411>getting-cancelledimagine being so online that you hyphenate this. Sounds like you need to be "getting-outside"!!!!!!!
>>795402>doesn't want to be a nazi"I'm forced to be a reactionary, its not my fault!" yellow bellied soy coward ✅
>>795414There’s something called platonic affection. But besides that, why do you have no empathy for lonely grannies who would like some affection?
>>795415>at this point assigning people a partner using nothing but a random lottery with the sole purpose of maintaining the birthrate at replacement levels would be better than the current system. dating is fuckedSuch a great idea! No way in the world that this won’t be abused and turned into some puppy mill effect.
To even entertain such an idea as good is to admit that you’re fascist-adjacent.
>>795423>There’s something called platonic affection. But besides that, why do you have no empathy for lonely grannies who would like some affection?do you really think a granny is the "looksmatch" of an average 30 year old man? or are you just trying to frame it as an own of some sort?
>To even entertain such an idea as good is to admit that you’re fascist-adjacent.you don't think the current dating system is already social fascist?
>>795427>you don't think the current dating system is already social fascist?If your definition of fascism is “not getting the coolest toys for my birthday” then you’re no different from the alt right chuds. I cannot and will not ever take you seriously.
“Fascism” has become an indignatory slur to cope with FOMO
>do you really think a granny is the "looksmatch" of an average 30 year old man? or are you just trying to frame it as an own of some sort?No. I am saying that you’re too busy shitting up the place with your own romantic woes while ignoring older women who suffer from loneliness.
And I said that there’s such thing called platonic affection.
Romance isn’t the only form of human connection, neither is it the foundation
>>795427>you don't think the current dating system is already social fascist?Pornographic fetishes are already being regulated because of neopuritanism. That’s more fascist than “TFW no gf”
>>795423I do have a lot of empathy for grannies, so I visited mine regularly. That's why I know that their situation is nothing like what incels are going through. What you say is a diversion deployed dishonestly to achieve your rhetorical goal of getting people to shut up about a problem they're having.
I disagree with their "analysis" of the world but the fact is, they are people who have a problem and who decide to do something about it and that warrants far more respect than choosing to shut up and take it like a little bitch. Older people sure don't shut up about their problems either if you actually talk to them. "The left" might as well be a fed operation with how they leave such an important and growing group entirely to fascist freaks.
>>795431>neopuritanismhello where are the proofs? where does this "neopuritanism" exist other than your delusional imagination?
<inb4 you start arguing against the age of consent and claim it's proof that you're being oppressed >>795438There is no actual solution to the incel problem, that's the actual thing, the left abandon them because they have nothing to offer them, and fascists just lie to them.
Their problems come from systemic desocialisation, even in the event of a cultural revolution that would reverse that trend, the ones already pavlov'd into being asocial would still be completely fucked, and the problem would just disappear within one generation following their inevitable death, not because they can be rehabilitated.
>>795402TRVTHNVKE
Become an abusechad king!
Being nice never gets anyone anywhere.
Ignore all the whining in this thread from the feminist morons. No one who is married will ever tell you that they obtained their wife by being nice to her.
>>795446Well I got married and I almost always was nice to my wife. But maybe incels are right it was detrimental, happily I'm smart and beautiful so it could make up for being nice.
>>795446moids will say shit like this and wonder why women don't want to fuck them
>>795447>almost alwaysThose words are doing a lot of heavy lifting but really you're just lying to yourself because you have no pressure to find a wife anymore and you want to farm feminist good boy points by talking like this on an internet forum instead.
>>795448Unfortunately women love to fuck serial killers, prisoners, the bourgeoisie, other lumpenproles, and all other manner of criminals and abusers and you claiming otherwise doesn't make any of that less true.
>>795449You sure sound like a piece of shit, by your theory you must be some kind of womanizer with a huge number of meaningful romantic and sexual relationships
>>795451> meaningful romantic and sexual relationshipsi wouldn't even say womanizers have those, atleast not until they actually settle down
as for sounding like a piece of shit, ask yourself; would you really want some guy who acts like a golden retreiver all the time or a black cat all the time? do you really want to be with a yes man?
>>795445That couldn't be further from the truth. Many incels are just teenagers who grow up, get perfectly good facial features, get a nice girl and then say that it was just a phase they grew out of.
Your idea also perfectly applies to all sexual and even ethnic minorities. Many people, some of them in the American government, say that the woke mind virus unfortunately got all those poor kids and women so they'd just have to discard them and start from scratch. By contrast, communists were always huge fans of reeducation even for bourgeoisie.
>>795457this but in reverse
>>795414 Sex and romantic love arent the only sort of human affection, the situation with those things in our modern order is Fucked, better get those social needs elsewhere, friends and community, and when those needs are met you might be collected enough to find romantic love if youre lucky. trying to start with romantic love seems like a silly plan to me.
>>795379>>795402>lean into the status quo and become an abusechadRail hookers
>>795427>do you really think a granny is the "looksmatch" of an average 30 year old man? or are you just trying to frame it as an own of some sort?giving a shit about the concept of a """lookkksmatch""" is playing into the fucked dating world.
>>795446i have no interest in a wife i have to abuse to keep in line or one that would take abuse for that matter, i have respect for myself and will find a woman i can respect or die without a partner, which is fine as long as my social needs are met by great friends and casual sex.
>>795457She also has to stay small past 30 and past two kids. She won't.
I hate women
Women are at the finish line and go to the winner. They do not care if you arrive on a supersonic jet in a foot race and murdered all the competitors. They'll just be more aroused.
>>795444Lots of spaces where furry, loli, and CNC are someone’s subject to raids by neopuritans.
Lots of activitist groups wanting to pathologize young people for having non vanilla fetishes that don’t conform to societal expectations
>>795463>That couldn't be further from the truth. Many incels are just teenagers who grow up, get perfectly good facial features, get a nice girl and then say that it was just a phase they grew out ofThis is such a delusional patronizing cope. There’s a lot more incels that are past pubertal age than you think. “Incel” isn’t another teen fad. It’s more a post pubescent fade. Most incels I talk to are way past high school.
You’d be hard pressed to find any incels that are teens
Plus, the amount of prime age people in relationships has declined drastically since the 2000s. Millennials were already having a quarter of their patronage being perpetually single and virginal in their prime. Zoomers have half.
By Gen Alpha or Beta, it may be that less than half of prime age adults will secure sex and romance.
>>795438True. Older people, especially male elders, can be terribly solipsistic. A lot of complaints from older people is more whining about not being able to do youthful things anymore.
They often downplay and dismiss young peoples woes.
>>795448It’s wrong to say but unfortunately there’s a lot of women that do gravitate to assholes.
>>795468This. But anons here don’t wanna listen.
>>795446Being an abuse chad works if you’re good looking and witty
Also most chads aren abusive nor do they need to be. Only loser sheeple like yourself like to think women like being abused as cope with not getting enough female attention
>>795413This is why I advocate for sex dolls. Anons here would rather have their integrity damaged by spiteful femcels
>>795468I'm 100% sure you don't have any friends or you're like 19 years old at most if you think friendships are a solution to male loneliness.
Try being a 30 year old incel. All my friends from college got married and don't even log into discord anymore let alone want to hang out irl. Romantic love is cucking me out of even male friendship. You guys are fucking dishonest assholes that refuse to even acknowledge there's a problem while people are struggling.
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