Poll: What is the meaning of life?
- It's to feel different things and grow.
- It's to win at creating good feels.
Do not answer if you're not ready.
white women
>>823658>white womenJust women. Happen to be white.
There's no point. It's pointless. Maybe try not to suffer much. I guess I'll go with the creating good feels option. Also fat booty white women are pretty hot.
>>823656The meaning of life is whatever narrative you craft for that purpose. Or whatever narrative someone else crafted and sucessfully sold to you.
Whatever keeps you from killing yourself
>>823662>I guess I'll go with the creating good feels option. Also fat booty white women are pretty hot.Same bro. And women are good.
The objective purpose of life is to replicate genes by sexual reproduction. Activity which approximates this signals pleasure, as a means of rewarding our biological programming (e.g. orgasm). For secondary pleasures, like eating and drinking, this comes from the nutrition we import into our bodies, aiding in health. This is also why there are limits to pleasures, which are limits to health - for example, pain as a response to damaged nerve endings signals that something js to be avoided for the vessel of our genes (e.g. the body). To be hurt physically is to experience the limits of our health, so it is avoided. Tertiary pleasures such as socialisation entail the competition for and against genetic replication. Our friends are protected from ourselves in pursuing competition for mates and resources. Tribes conserve the gene pool of a selecrted group, for example, and this creates social bonds. We do not harm friends, but do compete against strangers.
So then, pleasure is a response of health in the body and its purpose; to sustain the vessel of our genes, and to sexually reproduce. The opposite of meaningfulness is then the inducement of pain, which conflict with this goal. So then, "what is to be done?" Eat and rest well, take walks, make friends, and create families. This is life's purpose. Everything else is compensation for this original loss of meaning.
>>823681>The objective purpose of life is to replicate genes by sexual reproduction. Activity which approximates this signals pleasure, as a means of rewarding our biological programming (e.g. orgasm). For secondary pleasures, like eating and drinking, this comes from the nutrition we import into our bodies, aiding in health. This is also why there are limits to pleasures, which are limits to health - for example, pain as a response to damaged nerve endings signals that something js to be avoided for the vessel of our genes (e.g. the body). To be hurt physically is to experience the limits of our health, so it is avoided. Tertiary pleasures such as socialisation entail the competition for and against genetic replication. Our friends are protected from ourselves in pursuing competition for mates and resources. Tribes conserve the gene pool of a selecrted group, for example, and this creates social bonds. We do not harm friends, but do compete against strangers.
>So then, pleasure is a response of health in the body and its purpose; to sustain the vessel of our genes, and to sexually reproduce. The opposite of meaningfulness is then the inducement of pain, which conflict with this goal. So then, "what is to be done?" Eat and rest well, take walks, make friends, and create families. This is life's purpose. Everything else is compensation for this original loss of meaning.Dry.
I'd take Sweeney anytime.
>>823681I always hated this line of reasoning. Maybe I just don't understand what "purpose" is, but to me this feels completely backwards. Life exists because it reproduces itself. But does that mean that it is its purpose to reproduce itself? When a species goes extinct, does it mean that it failed to live up to its purpose? Rocks are inanimate and yet continue to exist; is "their" purpose to just be until erosion washes them away?
>>823684>I always hated this line of reasoning. Maybe I just don't understand what "purpose" is, but to me this feels completely backwards. Life exists because it reproduces itself. But does that mean that it is its purpose to reproduce itself? When a species goes extinct, does it mean that it failed to live up to its purpose? Rocks are inanimate and yet continue to exist; is "their" purpose to just be until erosion washes them away?Life exists and will continue to exist and species come and go but sentient beings will keep having "the conversation". Useful things have "purpose" so having purpose is tied to identity and roles, and those are tied to their contexts I guess. I don't like that line of reasoning either.
>What is the meaning of life?
There is no meaning.
>>823705>There is no meaning.Are you sure about that?
>>823681this is just crude materialism.
>>823681>The objective purpose of life is to replicate genes by sexual reproduction.You can't derive purpose from observing life.
>>823681That's how life keeps going, not why it is.
Are we just fleshy blips in some meaningless stew of cosmic oblivion? Or is it vice-reversa?
spread positivity and freedom, end the tyranny of the archons
>>823681>The opposite of meaningfulness is then the inducement of pain, which conflict with this goal. So then, "what is to be done?" Eat and rest well, take walks, make friends, and create families.But people often find great meaning in pain and struggle, and despair or boredom in empty, easy lives. The person who climbs a mountain or fights in a war might suffer greatly but also find great satisfaction and contentment in it.
>>823684It seems to me purpose is tied to what something was designed to do. We say a hammer's purpose is to hit nails, a knife's purpose is to cut. We say a good knife is one that cuts effectively, is comfortable to hold while cutting, that doesn't wear down, etc. So can life have a purpose without a creator god? The designer is abstract nature, evolution, but is that just a metaphor? Then you get into weird arguments over teleology where people say the purpose of a heart isn't to pump blood but to me it seems it obviously is because if it didn't the organism would die and hearts wouldn't exist. That's how you get vestigial organs, or eyeless cave animals, when the purpose is no longer needed and isn't repurposed for something else.
So if you think purpose can be given by evolution, does that mean rocks have no purpose? What about stellar evolution? At that point the purpose would be something like dissipating entropy or whatever the fancy physics phrase would be, which probably isn't too satisfying, but oh well. We tend to think life is more meaningful than non-life, but we're biased.
>>823656Nothing, it's all pain and sorrow all the way through. The only thing we can do is try to make it less awful for future generations or better yet, stop making more generations.
>>823681The meaning of life is actually perpetuation of one's species, not simply passing down your genes (it's part of it but not the whole).
>>823729what doth life (life, life)
>>823717Pretty sure. You can always invent some fake meaning of course if it makes your days easier.
>>823684>When a species goes extinct, does it mean that it failed to live up to its purpose?Yes.
>Rocks are inanimate and yet continue to exist"Rocks" are not lifeforms, so have no inherent purpose.
>>823718It's just biology. Why do we feel pleasure and pain?
Why are all animals inclined to sexual reproduction? It's obvious.
>>823720The purpose of a thing is its final cause; its end.
The ends of animals is to sexually reproduce.
>>823723>whyAs I explained, the "why" is in the pleasure and pain signal.
Why do we do things? Rationally, to avoid pain and increase pleasure.
>>823734Do we not simply say that they are inducing a long-term satisfaction?
Like orgasmic climax, one builds up tension so as to release it. If a mountain climber didn't have his climax by completing the task, the process would be meaningless. So, purpose has this sexual shape.
>>823754Those who are most genetically alike care more about their specific replication.
>>823754>>823809>The meaning of life is actually perpetuation of one's species, not simply passing down your genes (it's part of it but not the whole).Sounds fashy. Culture and recreation exists you know? Sid's hot in and of, end of.
>The purpose of a thing is its final cause; its end.Fash as fuck.
>>823815>Culture and recreationWhen male birds dance for females, this is for the end of sex.
Our culture concerns sexual strategy of mating in the same way.
All centres of artistic creation are also infused with sexual selection.
Watch how human females sexually select males in this video.
>purposeRead the dictionary definition of purpose:
<the reason something is done or used […] the feeling of being determined to do or achieve something […] the aim or goal of a personhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/purposeAll of this concerns the ends of a thing.
>>823817>When male birds dance for females, this is for the end of sex.>All centres of artistic creation are also infused with sexual selection.They themselves do it out of desire and instinct. You know that it's part of reproduction because you're looking at them and you're comparing them to what you know about life and other lifeforms. Purpose only applies if God really exists. Does he? Could he be in the white strip in the middle of the flag?
>>823228>>823824>"the purpose of life is to live" is tautology, not a real answer, but the question itself is flawed.>purpose isn't real, it's a manmade concept that we try to force onto nature. nothing has a purpose, the world exists for itself defying all of our wishes.I didn't expect you here. Does purpose have to be manmade and not real?
>>823830>They themselves do it out of desire and instinct.Yes… which is genetically encoded for sexual reproduction.
We are also animals with sexual selection strategies.
>Purpose only applies if God really existsWhat is this ridiculous non-sequitir?
>>823831>AINo, it's a well-documented ritual.
>>823832>What is this ridiculous non-sequitir?Purpose applies to willed things because it implies any or some of the following
<reason<feeling<determination<achievement<aim<goalfrom your dictionary definition. Person was also mentioned there.
You need some cosmic will to be able to say that life has a purpose. Otherwise, life just exists and reproduces without purpose. That cosmic will is God to most people.
>>823835>You need some cosmic will to be able to say that life has a purpose. No you don't.
You are just appealing to theism for no apparent reason.
>>823830purpose, justice, beginning, none of those concepts exist in the natural world, which always causes frustration to us humans who believe our way of understanding the world to be universal.
>>823842>No you don't.>You are just appealing to theism for no apparent reason.No, it's in the meaning of purpose. The purpose of life to the anon
>>823832 is reproduction because they're comparing lifeforms and that's a subjective observation. To have an objective purpose for life, you need it's creator to tell you why they made it or some other being that somehow knows it to tell you. I'm not trying to prove any religion out there. I'm just saying that you need will to have a purpose and if there is no creator or some wise outside observer then there is no purpose.
The women in the OP are objectively beautiful, and while there is nuance, there is no argument about that at all.
>>823734>does that mean rocks have no purpose?Who knows? Maybe they were put there on purpose.
>>823862>purpose, justice, beginning, none of those concepts exist in the natural world, which always causes frustration to us humans who believe our way of understanding the world to be universal.What do you think about aesthetics?
>Poll: What is the meaning of life?
There's no such thing
>>823863>meaningRight, which I have explained. The reason *why* we do things is to avoid pain and to increase pleasure - based on genetic programming.
>you need willAll life has willfulness. That's what makes it life.
fun fact: asking "what is the meaning of life?" is a uniquely westoid phenomenon. most people in the world think of existence as a process to be experienced and would find such a question completely baffling and absurd. it is only the imperialist god-complex psychopath westoids who think of existence as a code to be unraveled so that they may understand it and therefore control it and rewrite it and rule it.
>>823978>fun fact: asking "what is the meaning of life?" is a uniquely westoid phenomenon.Get out of the basement
>>823978you are retarded, man always wants knowledge when he has a full belly and has had sex one or 2 times, the process every human takes is
>damn I'm hungry let me get some food>ok I just ate now my dick is hard??? let me get some pussy>damn that was nice, now my head is clear, let me create art or think about weird shit and philosophypeople don't think or create art because they are tired from work or stressed about bills, or maybe spend too much time having sex and drinking
if the meaning of life is to have a good time then 99% of the population should kill themselves, therefore I can't be that
>>823663>nuanceIntellectually stimulating thought
>>823993Doesn't sound like a good time to me
>>823993>if the meaning of life is to have a good time then 99% of the population should kill themselves, therefore I can't be thatYou've conflated the meaning of existence with the meaning of life. The second might not have a meaning but having a good time does make sense as the meaning of existence. Both of these threads are then necessary questions
>>823228 and
>>821926>>824060>Doesn't sound like a good time to meThings that don't exist can't have a bad time. Anon is 100% right on this one.
>>824097>plasticNo, because I'm a bit of a connoisseur of boobs and I'm preferential
>>825231westerners are reactionary, most just believe the newslop that the liberal-fascist alliance feeds them to the point where they chimp out on any leftist they see
>>825231>>823667>>825270Philosophy is serious comedy. The only meaning in life is in hanging out (existing) and making some good observations.
>>823656>It's to win at creating good feels.It's this essentially and there are as many jobs
>>821926 as there are bored women. Focus on training the existing men instead of throwing dice and producing more, because that would imply that men are cheap.
>>825315>westerners are reactionaryThere's some nuance to this because Marx was a westener himself.
PHILOSOPHERS HITHERTO
The true meaning of life is to serve the only true God.
Mammon. He is the meaning of life.
>>823978Not true; all sophisticated religions ask this question.
India and China in the East have pondered it, before "The West" existed.
pawg
>>825711There's some nuance to it
>>823663 the purpose of a system is what it does
therefore the purpose of life is to reproduce itself
>>826082unless you are one of the unlucky species, then your purpose is to go extinct lol
>>826082>>823681>the purpose of a system is what it doesYou need to prove how this follows without a creator, otherwise it's a meaningless and a circular statement. It's like saying that the purpose of civilization is to serve the aristocrats. The only thing human civilization produced is better hygiene, more freedom and less suffering.
Sex and reproduction already existed before animals and humans did and before there was a sense of purpose. Germs and simpler lifeforms will be living and will be solving the sex puzzle long after humans are gone. Those are already solved problems that do not need human interference. Sex is the incel's and the woman's solution to male existentialism and it's beneath the species' intellect. If it really was, then you would need fewer men in the future because there is less scarcity and fewer problems to solve.
>>826289Civilization was filthy, all based on slaves and corvee labor, ridden with plagues, famine, and destructive wars.
>>826082the purpose of a system is what it does
therefore the purpose of life is to excrete a.k.a shitting and pissing
>>826448that's right. really declutters all the competing subjective intentions, doesn't it?
I slept and dreamt that life was joy. I awoke and saw that life was service. I acted and behold, service was joy.
>>826447>He was trying to cut through the subjective nonsense of people insisting that the purpose of systems lie in the intentions of the actors within the systems, because the actors within the systems often have contrary intentions and aims.Does this apply to ideology and political movements too?
>>826585>Does this apply to ideology and political movements too?Yes.
It's very simple. If a party says "my purpose is to liberate the working class" but consistently fails to do that, then its purpose is obviously to do the opposite of what it says. If a party however says "my purpose is to uphold capitalism" but it in fact destroys capitalism, then its purpose was to destroy capitalism. The point is the subjective intentions of the constituents do not matter, the results do.
>>826604>>826593Sure, let's apply POSIWID to life.
The purpose of life is to create a platform and an ecosystem for moral agents (souls) to act out drama and manifest greater Truths. The triangle is a shape but things happen in triangles and then they interact with each other and some of it is determined and some of it is chance. That's all life does. It creates the crocodile and the zebra and they tear each other up with prejudice. Reproduction and sex have already been solved by the lesser lifeforms and their violence. It's all a joke!
Humans, being the philosophical agents on the life server, have a conversation. What if things could be more comfortable and more consensual instead of the unwashed matted savagery of Animalia? All ideology is, is a promise towards more comfort and more consent. Less of the meaningless Dukkha and more of the more meaningful kind!
If what happens is the purpose of the happening, then philosophy is the purpose of Man.
The Universe simply exists and existence has no attributes of it's own.
>>826621>EntropyDo you worship any of the Chaos Gods? They are ever non-consensual, especially Nurgle. Honestly, fuck that guy!
Unique IPs: 52