I'm not a transgender, but I wish I was born a woman. My life would be substantially better.
Young women make more than men, are more likely to be employed, and are more likely to graduate university. People in general are nicer to the average woman than the average man.
All the while societal expectations are on men to step up and make sacrifices. It’s like the sexes have become equal, but the social expectations on men to provide hasn't changed; if anything, it's gotten worse because now looks matter more than before.
The future is unironically female.
I wonder if that chick banged her manager at some point? She looks to good looking to be working at Dominos. She probably bounced out if there in a year or so.
I'm not a porky, but I wish I was born into wealth. My life would be substantially better.
Young bourgeois make more than proles, are more likely to be wealthy, and are more likely to graduate university. People in general are nicer to the average capitalist than the average worker.
All the while societal expectations are on workers to step up and make sacrifices. It’s like the relations of production have become equal, but the social expectations on proles to provide hasn't changed; if anything, it's gotten worse because now moneys matter more than before.
The future is unironically bourgeois.
I'm fluent in English, but I wish I was born a native speaker. My life would be substantially better.
Native speakers make more than ESL, are more likely to be employed, and are more likely to graduate university. People in general are nicer to the average native speaker than the ESL.
All the while societal expectations are on ESL to step up and make sacrifices. They like talk about diversity and inclusion, but the social expectations on ESL to master the English accent hasn't changed; if anything, it's gotten worse because now clear communication matter more than before.
The future is unironically English.
>>827187This is like wanting to be a child because life is easier that way. No thank you.
>>827205Most people are born a child.
>>827217What about the rest?
>>827189She's average-looking, but yeah she probably found a simp.
>>827191>>827201Reddit reasoning
>>827205Being a child does not make your life easier the same way being a woman does. You can't do anything as a child and pretty much at the mercy of your parents.
>>827231>You can't do anything as a child and pretty much at the mercy of your parents.Youth liberation when?
>>827233Kill yourself and your family
women dont have an easier life chuddy.
>>827241Unfortunate a strong independent woman did not abort your faggot ass
>>827243>(you)Correct,
you should kill
yourself and
your family.
>>827241literally nothing about this post implies OP is a chud other than the ick you'd get from his complaining
>>827250When a man says "I've learn to deal with it", what he actually means is "I don't want to admit I need help or appearing weak in front of the person who is asking the question".
>>827264>he actually means is "I don't want to admit I need help or appearing weak in front of the person who is asking the question".I wonder why he would feel this way.
>Im 14 and this is my post
>>827187>I'm not a transgender, but thems quitter talk.
>>827270because "man up" as they say. Toxic masculinity is a bit like capitalism in this regard. It's easy to see Porky as the bully and the proles as the victims, but in truth, both play their part into the system.
Both women and men contribute to the perpetuation of the system, even if they protests the part that affect them personnaly, just like a petit bougie can bitch and moan about big corpo unfairly crushing family businesses…
Being of the opposite gender has its ups and downs. It's undeniable there are advantages to being a woman, especially a middle class woman in a urban setting, but that also comes with a lot of disadvantages. Personally I wouldn't mind being a woman but if I had to pick I'd go with man 100% of the time.
>>827277sure thing chuddy
>>827275Both the manosphere's "toxic masculinity" and the liberal-feminist's "positive masculinity" reinforce the same harmful dynamics towards men. The former tells you to suppress your emotions and suffer, while the latter hopelessly tells you to be "emotionally available" and that you'll become better through hard work and hard work alone.
Women also reinforce this dynamic, as they're beneficiaries. Young women are increasingly outperforming young men; women can pretty much do anything men can do. And yet, women still expect men to be providers and make sacrifices. The conditions have changed in favor of women, but the expectations on men have not. Men have lost their provider status, so the expectation that men as providers needs to change! This isn't even mentioning the effect of looks hypergamy in the short-term dating market.
>>827187They're not the same person.
>>827187>I'm not a transgender, but I wish I was born a woman.You're a technical uygha because you're an autogyne but you're not fully trans. What do you think about this thread?
>>821926 . I think it's the only demographic answer. Don't be a free agent in life.
>>827264>>827275>Men don't want to admit I need help or appearing weakYou're being as ironic as a 5g dose of heroin in your trolling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_poisoning >>827280>Young women are increasingly outperforming young men; women can pretty much do anything men can do. And yet, women still expect men to be providers and make sacrifices. The conditions have changed in favor of women, but the expectations on men have not. Men have lost their provider status, so the expectation that men as providers needs to change! This isn't even mentioning the effect of looks hypergamy in the short-term dating market.You can't take one of rehab's messages and ignore the rest. You need to change the demographics >>>>821926 because you need fewer men in the future. It's the only solution that doesn't require debate and argument to try to assign social worth to men. Just produce fewer and have them attend to the herd.
History tends towards fewer conflicts and fewer hostile moid take-overs. The male population will just taper to looksmaxxed entertainers who watch sports and play video games. This is what the historical end of rape looks like.
>>827285this is the 4th time i've seen this ideal world you're suggesting, eleminating men will somehow remove society's woes were everyone will be beautiful (women) and the few the men the less you'll have to see their ugliness, but the phrase about rape ending is funny, you can't end rape, unless you only think of rape as gross men on women, what makes you think women are incapable of rape, or that it won't happen to the few looksmaxxed entertainer men with less power compared to women in your idealized society? unless they just can't be raped in your mind, or they just aren't the concern.
>>827283>Men don't want to admit I need help or appearing weakBro I speak from experience, that's how of I was raised and of men tend to act around me. It's a real thing and it's difficult to shake it off. If you grew up somewhere when you could afford to express vulnerability without being met with disaproval, then good for you but that's not an universal experience.
>>827285same energy as radfems talking about growing men in prison then releasing them as they grow. or incel speak about reindoctrinating women
>gay dudes; god i loove men, many are hot
>gay women; god i loove women, many are hot
>men; i loove women, many are hot.
>women; god i really don't love most men, god i wish i was a lesbian, most men are like dangerous mushrooms, most men are chopped and hairy and aren't bishounens, they just don't do it for me but its my nature, they should change if they want me to be attracted and also not trigger my ick by buying a certain product or not voting.
i think this is also a source of it, most women aren't sexually attracted that way to the other gender, they are only the potential opressor, and not always a subject of desire until extremely attractive or act a perfect way. i don't see women speak of men in a general vague "they're hot" statement as all others. so you OP might not feel attractive, or of use the same way simp behavior does to many women, just the provider that isn't really providing enough to feel noticed
>>827288>Bro I speak from experience, that's how of I was raised and of men tend to act around me. It's a real thing and it's difficult to shake it off. If you grew up somewhere when you could afford to express vulnerability without being met with disaproval, then good for you but that's not an universal experience.Bro, I was stabbed by my mother and
THEN I was taken into care. There's always a worse crocodile pit. My father left and remarried and then 10 years later told me that he couldn't solve shit without getting arrested himself. They don't care until it's too late and then you're a fucking therapy case.
>>827287>this is the 4th time i've seen this ideal world you're suggesting, eleminating men will somehow remove society's woes were everyone will be beautiful (women) and the few the men the less you'll have to see their ugliness, but the phrase about rape ending is funny, you can't end rape, unless you only think of rape as gross men on women, what makes you think women are incapable of rape, or that it won't happen to the few looksmaxxed entertainer men with less power compared to women in your idealized society? unless they just can't be raped in your mind, or they just aren't the concern.You don't get it. They never get it unless it happens to them but then it's too late and it's suicide. What's being discussed isn't eliminating the men, it's producing fewer. Eliminating the men is already very much common place. You can search and find some gruesome examples if you wish.
- You can't argue with women and it doesn't progress shit. You're better off killing yourself if your politics gets to that.
- Women are controlled by their material conditions and the number of eligible men is a material condition. It's not personal.
>you can't end rapeRape is a criminal court dialectic. Both sexes do it to each other and across and both sexes false accuse each other.
>>827293What are you talking about, staight men bitch about women all the time, mock relentlessly the one they deem ugly and even deny they are women in many cases.
>>827289>same energy as radfems talking about growing men in prison then releasing them as they grow. or incel speak about reindoctrinating womenHoroscope tier strawman
>>826605 >>827296>What are you talking about, staight men bitch about women all the timethe topic im trying to bring up here is scale and general feeling, obviously when i women is unattractive, and i don't mean plain looking she can absolutely be mocked for it, but for the majority of women? most men will find them attractive. i do not ever see the same general sentiment from women toward men. we literally have men who keep saying god i love flat chested women or short women or tall women, seen a guy actively tell me he had a thing for bald women, but i do not generally see women actively say something similar about all body shapes on men. hell isn't this why people keep saying men and women cant form platonic relationships? most men do feel attracted to the instagram type models people talk about, but the everyday man also does have expressed attraction in general to women, same way as gay dudes and lesbians express
literally go outside right now and ask a man to complete the phrase women are __, and its likely something positive, do the reverse and most women won't say the same.
genuinly anon, tell me when's the last time you heard a woman speak positively of all men in a general sense? or say they love all body types?. i've only ever heard something similar a year ago.
the fact men do bitch about women they find ugly does not negate this.
>>827298Re-read your reply. It's all completely a demographic gender ratio issue. It cannot get solved through conversation.
>>827299>goddess of ethereal beautylife is reducible to geometry
>>827283>>827285>>827300Eastern Europe proves you wrong btw.
>>827293I partly agree. Women are only truly attracted to a very small minority of men.
However, women will drag their pussies through mud and broken glass to please men they're attracted to, even if those guys treat women like shit. It's a meme that women are less sexual, they're just not sexual with the average man.
Even most marriage dynamics are women who tolerate (but do not necessarily respect) their OOFY-DOOFY husbands because of the stability he provides.
>>827300because that solution is the more ideal to most people, to just throw men as a gender under the bus, other men will think it means less competition, women will think it means less uglies, and anon here thinks it means rape is eliminated as a concept done by men, which is the only concern
speaks a lot when instead of promoting men as more attractive or caring about their woes to even the attraction between genders, we think its much more preferable to alter and decimate the male population in the womb, abort men and whatnot because the (wo)man that comes out, is beautiful enough in our eyes to not tell to man up or think off as plain, or chopped, and a rapist with everybreath.
>>827303>because that solution is the more ideal to most people, to just throw men as a gender under the bus, other men will think it means less competition, women will think it means less uglies, and anon here thinks it means rape is eliminated as a concept done by men, which is the only concernYou're still strawmanning my proposition as throwing the men under the bus. In 5 - 10 years, the job market will change completely and that will create even more asymmetry between the sexes. Producing fewer men is the only way forward and the best solution for everyone.
>>827302>Eastern Europe proves you wrong btw.Elab
What's the gore policy here? It's for documenting history etc.
>>827308Well then… can't post some of the freudian shit that gets wished on and done to men then, can I? It doesn't stay confined to social media comments, it actually happens in real life.
>>827306>ElabDid you look at the picture I attached?
Eastern Europe already has more women than men. By your logic, Eastern Europe should be better for men. It isn't. If anything female hypergamy over there is worse than it is in the West because of the wealth disparity that attracts Slavic women to date richer Western men. Ukraine is the perfect example of this phenomenon in action.
Reality is, all the data says that women would rather stay single than be in a relationship with men they do not want. Most women are single by choice, so killing off men isn't going to force women to change their expectations and date men they find undesirable lol.
>>827298So according to your generalization of men, when they talk about women, they express tastes or signal they aren't picky, like a meat afficicionado talk about the cooking of his steak.
According to the way you describe men, men see women as pieces of meat.
It appears that women thinking poorly of men simply makes the same generalization you do.
hijacking this thread to say why i really care at all about men in general or keep debating this stuff, like most anons i speak to just want to tell themselves its a heckin incel manosphere tate chud buzzword and call it a day, nothing else.
i really just care about this stuff or men issues because my friend from childhood was a girl that transitioned, like they'd tell me all about i wish i was a man as you i want to be taken seriously. she would always speak about the man she dreams of becoming and the stubble and earring she'd wear.
like wayy after that she did do the surgery, but they never had much romantic succsess, worst part they were like 160 but i never measured. that short. and did tell me that's the one thing she felt dysmorphic about, so one day i thought great, she found somone, but then i hear they broke up fast after few weeks because her friends kept telling her they look terrible. and i still regret not checking out on them enough. right until i had a call from their room mate telling me they cut themselves.
this is shit nobody in here cares about, zero, but i posted it anyway to say if most men are men enough and should just pull themselves until they are attractive, but women, especially the struggling ones need us to stop putting high standarts on them then clearly only one gender is great in our eyes, the other has to earn his keep, nobody owes him anything. its not just the evil bitter chuds you want to imagine and own, its much more generally a male issue. i know you might tell me.
>>827310>Ukraine is the perfect example of this phenomenon in action.Money represents how high you are the ladder and not the other way round. I don't wish to comment on the current events any further.
Let's analyze your points.
>Reality is, all the data says that women would rather stay single than be in a relationship with men they do not want.Absolutely true and this is their God given privilege too. Nobody should have to be in a relationship they don't want to be in.
>so killing off men isn't going toNobody in this thread suggested that. This is the third time I'm calling the strawman. I said produce fewer.
>because of the wealth disparity that attracts Slavic women to date richer Western menThe West has a freer economy. The entrepreneurs and the specialists get to keep what they make.
>>827311>>827314Moralizing the male sexuality as evil has entered the chat.
Just have fewer men and invest in female longevity. What's wrong with that?
>>827317
>what's wrong with thatjust keep in mind when i heard about how elon musk deliberately altered his transdaughter to be born a son when they were in the womb, i've seen countless users on so many sites mostly women say that's some medieval shit, he's making a mini me, its mysoginy, he thinks women are worth less in his eyes, its god's punishment (lol seriously) that his son transitioned into a woman.
i dare you to look at all the people who openly said paying millions to alter and give birth to a son is femicide, and ask them if the solution you propose to just use science to cull the male population is equally unethical.
people in this thread prove OP right, gynophilia is rampant, you assume women out existing men is good because you assume women in general are good, beautiful, harmless, caring, and just good to look at, emotionally intelligent. all while men, even the few overly engineered to be unrealistically attractive exist, just want to hate women and join the herd like a bunch of dull moids.
>>827314You're the one who reduce male attraction to bodies.
>>827321because i was speaking in particular…about bodies!
i was refering to sexual attraction, as you've already brought up how men will mock and shit on ugly women. and when it comes to bodies in particular so many girls think the same way, only few fit their rigid type, not always a model, sometimes a perfect archetype with still attractive features. and the truth is men are less picky than you want to imagine, that's why "simp" is a phrase at all. many men get attached, many women do not so easily.
>>827310>Eastern Europe already has more women than men. By your logic, Eastern Europe should be better for men. It isn't.>If anything female hypergamy over there is worse than it is in the West because of the wealth disparity that attracts Slavic women to date richer Western men.If anything, I think rehab should invent a new metric for men. Male purchasing power.
<But like, if you're a like a 30 year old dude, what are you going to do? You will have to wait for years, years before your country can recover from that, economically and socially before international companies can invest in your country. You are going to have to wait probably a decade, a decade for the country to stabilize and be rebuilt. In the meantime, you are going to have to share the fate of Ukrainian men. With Iranian women dating out of ease, while you have to clear the rubble, why would you celebrate your country getting leveled, turned into a pile of rubble? Like, what's in it for you as a sub8 male? A lot of Iranian men who celebrate this, who cheer on the strikes, strikes on their own country, are making a miscalculation. They make this miscalculation because they haven't lived through what we did. They haven't experienced the brutal hypergamy that we did. They've been shielded from the truth.Watch the video for the rest.
>>827315>Nobody in this thread suggested that. This is the third time I'm calling the strawman. I said produce fewer.It achieves the same thing either way—reducing the male population. Also, how are you going to produce less men without killing male fetuses in the womb and discarding male embryos if we're talking about IVF?
Anyways, that's not the main point. The main point is that women's expectations aren't going to change just because there are less men. Having less men isn't going to stop more and more women from choosing to stay single. Eastern Europe, which already has more women than men, disproves your theory.
>>827324>It achieves the same thing either way—reducing the male population. Also, how are you going to produce less men without killing male fetuses in the womb and discarding male embryos if we're talking about IVF?>Anyways, that's not the main point. The main point is that women's expectations aren't going to change just because there are less men. Having less men isn't going to stop more and more women from choosing to stay single. Eastern Europe, which already has more women than men, disproves your theory.False equivalence fallacy. It's better to commit suicide than to bother even starting this conversation.
>>827324>The main point is that women's expectations aren't going to change just because there are less men. Having less men isn't going to stop more and more women from choosing to stay single. Eastern Europe, which already has more women than men, disproves your theory.The point is to have fewer men and to raise them with both the economy and dating in mind. Eastern Europe is corrupt and has zero economic opportunities for men other than gambling and drugs. The comparison is like telling men to be content with fatties, it's shit for women.
>>827326>The point is to have fewer men and to raise them with both the economy and dating in mind.and if those few men want to be leaders? or work in a job that isn't entertaining women or being forced into warrior-butler-wolfboy role? what if they want in your supposed society to be seen as scientists or handle machinery? what if they want to play a sport? do we just casually let them do that but also keep a stigma that they're better off as entertainers? what if few are born not genetically pleasing enough or too damn short? what if they want to start families?
is it suddenly all good to act with benelovent sexism in your supposed solution?
>>827327>and if those few men want to be leaders? or work in a job that isn't entertaining women or being forced into warrior-butler-wolfboy role? what if they want in your supposed society to be seen as scientists or handle machinery? what if they want to play a sport? do we just casually let them do that but also keep a stigma that they're better off as entertainers? what if few are born not genetically pleasing enough or too damn short? what if they want to start families?>is it suddenly all good to act with benelovent sexism in your supposed solution?It's called jestermaxxing. They're already doing that. How divorced are you from the male experience? Who am I even talking to?
>>827325>It's better to commit suicide than to bother even starting this conversation.Then kill yourself, faggot. Practice what you preach by ending your presumably male life.
>>827326>The point is to have fewer men and to raise them with both the economy and dating in mind.Irrelevant if women's expectations do not change.
>Eastern Europe is corrupt and has zero economic opportunities for men other than gambling and drugs.Secondary aggravating factors. France also has a female surplus (although not as high as Eastern Europe).
>The comparison is like telling men to be content with fatties, it's shit for women.How is it shit for women to have more reasonable expectations to match current conditions? Besides, men already have much lower expectations for women. Men will date simply to escape inceldom and loneliness. This is why so many men are pussywhipped or betray their friends over some below-average hoe.
>>827329im saying this because in another thread this solution anon keeps suggesting says men should be barred from working in those fields all together, it should be automized, they should be taught from birth to be all about jestering, being boy idols, that this will solve all these few men's romantic woes by being the product while women work those fields
>>827330WTF are you even talking about? You're contradicting yourself all over the place.
>>827330>Irrelevant if women's expectations do not change.What are these expectations even?
>>827337 (me)
>As women decide to have less and less kids (and they are), even women over 30 will start to earn more than men.To add on to this point. As the fertility crisis worsens and Western population grows older, the healthcare industry—especially eldercare—will become HIGHLY lucrative. And guess who is overwhelmingly employed in that sector?
>>827337>For example, women want the men in their relationships to make more money than they do. This is despite the fact that young women are increasingly outearning and outworking young men, while male labor force participation declines. As women decide to have less and less kids (and they are), even women over 30 will start to earn more than men.Literal proof that the market needs fewer men.
>>827338>To add on to this point. As the fertility crisis worsens and Western population grows older, the healthcare industry—especially eldercare—will become HIGHLY lucrative. And guess who is overwhelmingly employed in that sector?Even more demand for women.
>>827340lmao
sees the general gynophilia, favoritism, the very same concepts OP vents about and decides it means we shouldn't fix the material conditions, or neoliberalism, just cull more of these men in the womb because their identity and biology aren't it.
just a question anon if we were to switch from gender to race, and maybe focus on all the ethnic people, say maybe them having less children will benefit society, wouldn't that feel more off? unethical?
>>827345>sees the general gynophilia, favoritism, the very same concepts OP vents about and decides it means we shouldn't fix the material conditions, or neoliberalism, just cull more of these men in the womb because their identity and biology aren't it.The men are the material conditions in totality.
>>827345>just a question anon if we were to switch from gender to race, and maybe focus on all the ethnic people, say maybe them having less children will benefit society, wouldn't that feel more off? unethical?You're just shopping for false equivalencies at this point.
>>827348and you're trying to sell off selection of the newborn on the basis of their sex as something absolutely normal. nothing wrong with it clearly at all.
>>827345Pretty sure he's a troll. If he truly believed in reducing the male population, he would start by killing himself and his male family members. Practice what you breach uygha!
>>827345>sees the general gynophilia, favoritism, the very same concepts OP vents about and decides it means we shouldn't fix the material conditions, or neoliberalism, just cull more of these men in the womb because their identity and biology aren't it.There are no material conditions or "neoliberalisms" to fix here at all. You're never going to accept that the sexes are different and that historically the 50:50 ratio worked because of material scarcity. Without that scarcity, far fewer women will choose monogamy than men. More women is better for both sexes. I think it's best for it all to be left to history and dialectic to conclude instead of arguing on some IB.
>>827351>and you're trying to sell off selection of the newborn on the basis of their sex as something absolutely normal. nothing wrong with it clearly at all.I didn't say anything like that at all. I said produce fewer but I didn't specify any methods. This is your second attempt to strawman me.
>>827358>historically the 50:50 ratio worked because of material scarcityIt worked because the conditions historically matched the expectations.
>More women is better for both sexes.Already disproven.
>I think it's best for it all to be left to history and dialectic to conclude instead of arguing on some IB.So you have no evidence to support your claims. Good to know.
>I didn't specify any methodsQuit dodging and specify your methods then.
>>827359>So you have no evidence to support your claims.There is a lot of evidence for this but it's for another time. Maybe another place.
>Already disproven.You have not disproven anything at all. If anything, you posted some evidence in my favor.
>It worked because the conditions historically matched the expectations.Is there no such thing as objective fact? Why did you choose 'expectations'?
>>827358>This is your second attempt to strawman me.come off it mate, we both know in our heads what will the methods be to enact your utopia, you can't pretend they'll produce fewer without meddlement, without without editing embryos, hell you don't even have to pretend abortion can't just be used, go to any tiktok or social media hellhole to see women speak all about birthing less men, to stop the future opressors, teach girls to be misandrist or how much we can just use bone marrow to make moids useless.
you don't have to be a genius to see the sheer hostility in that tone, how's that ethical and not just misandry
>>827362>go to any tiktok or social media hellhole to see women speak all about birthing less men, to stop the future opressors, teach girls to be misandrist or how much we can just use bone marrow to make moids useless.
>you don't have to be a genius to see the sheer hostility in that tone, how's that ethical and not just misandryHow is this not caused by historical conditions? The women doing this descend from women who had healthy relationships with their men so the attitudes can be reproduced in any other population if you give them the same conditions.
I'm not saying any of their attitudes is moral.
>>827360>There is a lot of evidence for this but it's for another time. Maybe another place.LMFAO
>You have not disproven anything at all. If anything, you posted some evidence in my favor.No one has posted anything that supports the claim that there should be less men in the world. How does women not wanting to date poor guys evidence that we need less men? That's not going to change what women want, you fucking retard.
>Is there no such thing as objective fact?Expectations aren't objective, you pseudo-intellect faggot.
>Why did you choose 'expectations'?Because people's expectations, needs, and wants determine the use-value they have for things.
<still hasn't specified how he intends to reduce the male population >>827365>Because people's expectations, needs, and wants determine the use-value they have for things.Men don't have any essential use-value.
>>827367Then neither do women.
>>827369>Then neither do women.Are you contrarian trolling?
>>827362>what will the methods beLeaving it to science for now. I won't have another strawman today.
>>827367Think that's just you mate. Practice what you're preaching and kill yourself.
>>827366leftists who preach reading theories btw
>>827376reading is different from posting cherrypicked statistics
>>827375>Think that's just you mate.No it's you, you're being useless.
>>827378up until the slop confirm something you already believed in or don't sound rub you off the wrong way, that's what all people do.
>>827380to whom? when people spoke of the wage gap twenty years ago, didn't they speak of how its because of unfairness? lack of favoritism and totally isn't because those women aren't "unskilled"? now its the reverse and we just say yes, its because moids aren't needed, useless. they all don't work hard enough. its pure skill and they don't measure up
Did anyone here watch the brazilian video that can't be posted?
>>827385No, what is it and why can't you post it?
>>827377What's cherrypicked?
>>827380You said all men though. If you really think that, then kill yourself. Dead serious. Practice what you preach. We need more women and less psuedo-intellect men like you! Chop, chop!
>>827384>to whom? when people spoke of the wage gap twenty years ago, didn't they speak of how its because of unfairness? lack of favoritism and totally isn't because those women aren't "unskilled"? now its the reverse and we just say yes, its because moids aren't needed, useless. they all don't work hard enough. its pure skill and they don't measure upChickens in farms have ratios of 12:1. In mammals this goes up to 50:1.
>>827386>No, what is it and why can't you post it?It's some brutal stuff.
>>827388i don't think using farms as an argument, human ran farms where they actively use female animals to create more food. next you're gonna use more animal analogy and tell me about lions and their one man takes all mentality
guess what, we aren't animals, you're using the same natural biology concept right wingers use to define transgender people are their own sex and nothing else, they can't breed, or that races exist and its just natural that some should out exist others. but because its men, the one concept we do not care for, its all normal with people like you to bring up biology and identity as a reason why its all normal to selectively cull them based on their own sex, their own biology. what is this progressive eugenics?
>>827285That Socrates quote is fake btw.
Retard can't even verify the most basic things.
>>827392>i don't think using farms as an argument, human ran farms where they actively use female animals to create more food. next you're gonna use more animal analogy and tell me about lions and their one man takes all mentalityIt proves that without work or status, men are essentially useless. There's nothing cool about the lion because it's nature for it to be eviscerated and removed in the end. Chimpanzee alphas have it far worse because they get killed worse than dictators.
>guess what, we aren't animals, you're using the same natural biology concept right wingers use to define transgender people are their own sex and nothing else, they can't breed, or that races exist and its just natural that some should out exist others. but because its men, the one concept we do not care for, its all normal with people like you to bring up biology and identity as a reason why its all normal to selectively cull them based on their own sex, their own biology. what is this progressive eugenics?<anti-essentialism<culling strawman againAre you a woman or queer or something?
My point is that work ends and humans simply exist. There will be fewer men.
>>827394so basically the same as "if you want to know who rules over you find the people you can't criticize" by voltaire being actually said by a neo-nazi.
>It proves that without work or status, men are essentially useless.funny you would say that, and this entire thread is part of it, if you were to say without beauty, a woman is useless, that would be considered patriarchal, dehumanizing even, forcing rigid gender norms on somone that didn't ask to be ugly, make it about a man's ability to provide shelter, and if he's average he's simply not a woman's option, and is useless
>My point is that work ends and humans simply exist. There will be fewer men.you keep dodging it, but we say culling because there's no other word, do you think women can have less men without any intervention during pregnancy? do you think society will have fewer men on a massive scale, just like that?..to have fewer men you need to actively preach and promote and have entire departments dedicated to your social experiment on an entire population, but you can't admit it so you resort to just saying science and the future will see this happening.
>people are nicer to women than men
Women are raped more, they're sexually assaulted more, abused more, they get paid less than moids and they are getting shat on by the increasingly rightoid society. Being a foid or moid is a double-edged sword, buddy.
>>827398>funny you would say that, and this entire thread is part of it, if you were to say without beauty, a woman is useless, that would be considered patriarchal, dehumanizing even, forcing rigid gender norms on somone that didn't ask to be ugly, make it about a man's ability to provide shelter, and if he's average he's simply not a woman's option, and is uselessYes? False body positivity is probably one of the most asinine forms of abuse people could to to each other. It's the same for any other handicap like status, social skills or wealth. If someone is ugly, they're worth less than dog shit and they've done it to themselves. Same for anything else. Worthless.
>>827400>they get paid less than moidsdisproven in this thread, and the worse part it seems from the discussion it had towards this year is that its a good thing actually men are just lazy bums
>and they are getting shat on by the increasingly rightoid societyif we're talking america, i firmly think in two years they'll have another one of their elections and if trump leaves, all his stuff might regress back.
but this aside, this thread might come from OP's lived experience, he might feel invisible because men aren't that approached, and the expectations on them are arbitrary and rigid at the same time, beauty wise and actions wise, but especially looks. maybe he thinks if he was born an average girl, took care of himself then suddenly society cater to him, he can either live life all day inside, or make friends, be a furry, be bisexual, choose one man or one woman or many, or have people from all sexes treat them nicely simply because they are the fair empathetic gender.
isn't this the fantasy OP? to live a life where people treat you as less disposable? because some women probably still find it not enough and wish they were men to be "taken seriously" or not deal with blood period, or to not be approached too much by men.
but i get it, its this feeling your sex is both opressors and not providers enough, not allowed to be pretty or dress in more than just jeans, be invisible unless they manage to turn stunning or be born with the right features. get to complain about being approached feels better than never being approached at all right?
>>827400>Women are raped more, they're sexually assaulted more, abused moreOnly applies to a very small portion of women. Most men aren't going out and raping women, lol.
Men get raped more if you count prison rape, btw.
>they get paid less than moidsNot really true for childless, single women and especially not true for women under 30. As women have less and less kids, they will probably overtake men entirely. Makes sense considering women are more likely to attend and graduate post-secondary.
>getting shat on by the increasingly rightoid societyLol no. Manosphere is not real life, and tradwife whores are one the biggest grifts on the right. Women are the more hateful gender.
>>827387its not even worth arguing with people on this website bc half of leftists are just ex stormfags who repeat the same rightoid debate tactics bc they genuinely do not believe in the concept of truth. youre trying to distort statistics to say that women are privileged in the job market, youre a fucking clown
genuinely fuck all leftists this is why fascism is winning. yall uyghas are retarded and epstein was right
>>827424>epstein was rightwhy does every thread here turn into this?
>>827415>>827418Yeah, we really need to produce fewer men and then raise them to be more sociable. This won't do.
>>827424What statistics did I distort?
>genuinely fuck all leftists this is why fascism is winning. yall uyghas are retarded and epstein was rightWow, that's a little dramatic. Are you a woman by any chance? Wanna have sex and make babies?
>>827437>you wish to be handsome anon, handsome to the other sexNo, anon is right. It's just too brutal out there as a man. All the societal expectations are on men. It’s like the sexes have become equal, but the social expectations on men to provide has doubled. In the future everyone is a woman.
>if men display hatred towards women for XYZ they are in the wrong, bitter, or just hateful, if women display hatred towards men for XYZ. its all valid no matter what, in fact we need to reduce the existence of men for their sake.
brutal stuff.
>>827451You actually hate women?
>>827187>The future is unironically female.This.
If we're making up fantasy solutions like "cull the male population". There is actually a far more plausible solution.
Attractiveness is genetic. We can modify female genes to make them more attracted to average or even ugly men. That permanently solves the gender war.
>>827426because he was right. you people are cattle
>>827601oh yeah very dysgenic, we should stay the course where a dadbod is an off season strongman with some gut. we have to tell to ourselves that most men are trash by genes and not extreme standarts. just play it all off as letting the unattractive goblins breed
Who cares about the discussion can you post more fetish porn like the OP
>>827626change the flag diogenes we know its you
>>827635I like this meme format
>>827718>I get my worldview from trashy reality TVTruly the peak of male excellence.
>>827719Why don't women lead in manual labour jobs, anon?
Keep deluding yourself.
>>827720>why dont women low pay backbreaking labourWe already have the disposable sex for that.
>>827718It gets me thinking that if women are that useless in the wild or whatever and the man is so much better at living off the land, then why bother with women? I know the video says we need each other and love and that other shit, but why? They seem useless in that video. I'm not saying I want to live in a homosexual paradise with other men but if I could live alone like that then why would I need other people? Although that video does make a point that it might be better to just live in a commune with a bunch of dudes at least to me. Just some thoughts I had.
>>827724Those shows don't take place in "the wild"
Actually "wilderness" has not existed for thoussnds of years now and is a modern romantic (fascist) concept
as a man I'm happy that women are having a good time in life, good for them.
imagine going from second class citizen with no right to vote to empowered lively people who actually can speak their mind in more or less a century? they deserve it, go off queens, get your money, get your pussy licked, the world is yours!
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