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 No.10489[Last 50 Posts]

/ANIMETA/
General Thread discussing, analyzing and criticizing anime from the meta perspective of Capitalism, Media Culture (Industry) and Socio-Economics & Politics.
No shitflinging, drama, bad faith or baiting posts (e.g. "Trap is transphobic" or "Muh shounen trash" or "(all) Anime is misogynistic"). Keep it cool comrades.

Animation: Treatment of Animators Thread >>617
Leftist Anime Content: Communist Anime Thread >>1417 Communist Anime Girls Thread >>964 Miyazaki Thread >>469
Anime Hot Takes >>1993 so-bad-it's-good animu >>2551
Sources and Questions: Questions and Answers >>4229
E-celebs/Social Media: Ani-tube >>3128 V-tubers >>3388
Story Ideas: /WYOA/: write your own anime thread >>4263
Shounen complaint thread >>3200
Weeb-Otaku-/jp/ thread: /weaboo/ >>4715

Basic topics and questions:
>Is anime bad/stupid/boring or good/smart/interesting?
>Is anime inherently a reactionary/capitalist product or can it be a communist or pro-communist one?
>What Tropes and archetypes are good or bad?
>Will anime be produced under socialism? Could Japan have produced anime if it had become a Soviet State in the Cold War? How would anime look like or differ under socialism?
>Why are nearly all weebs and otaku right-wing or radlibs? Why are they so cringe and self-entitled?

 No.10491

>>10488
>>Why are nearly all weebs and otaku right-wing or radlibs? Why are they so cringe and self-entitled?
Every time I encounter someone with animu girl profile pic on any non-anonymous site, there's a good 90% chance that it's gonna spout right wing talking points or "so cute uwu" and be into liberal virtue signaling. What is it about weebshit that attracts them? Or is it weebshit that turns them into this? Also they almost always are linked to cumbrain coomer content. They are also quit ignorant of the industry and Japan itself and seem to consider it some fantasy wonderland. They also behave as if they are special and unique for consooming stuff, as if they think they're part of a counter-culture and aren't mainstream as fuck at this point and cringe. Back in the day there were times when you could only watch fan subs and you were almost forced to learn Japanese if you wanted to consume Japanese media then.

 No.10493

Thought the CIA had a special folder of anime reaction pics, apparently it's just shit like (◕‿◕✿), extremely disappointing. As always, it appears proxy forces are the only ones with "taste": https://technology.inquirer.net/68738/osama-gamer-list-bin-ladens-video-games-hard-drive
>If only the CIA agents were being forced to gulp down estrogen pills to infiltrate anime imageboards LARPing as "cuteboy trap" fags.

Anyone have more concrete info on glowuyghur animefags?

 No.10495

>>10491
Anime is the most aggressive escapism there is, being a weeb is purposefully not looking at the real world. That's why all anime avatars you see online are so retarded.

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>>10491
First, "weeb" used to mean "obnoxious anime fan who thinks Japan is the greatest and claims to know all about Japan only from watching anime but actually has an offensively poor understanding of Japanese culture" especially if said anime fanboy/fangirl uses random, non-sensical Japanese words and phrases while speaking another language just to sound Japanese.

Liking anime isn't bad in itself, and it also doesn't make you a weeb. It's just that anime is popular so it's not weird to talk about it in public anymore. Unfortunately the word "weeaboo" AKA "weeb" has lost its original meaning and now replaced "otaku" as a descriptor for any person who likes anime or manga-style art to any extent. It's retarded to try to insult someone for being a "weeb" in this sense, when most people like at least one piece of media with a manga art style.

Second, a lot of millennials and zoomers grew up watching anime (that does not necessarily make them actual weebs either). A lot of said millennials and zoomers are also rightoids and liberals, not only leftists.
Pic is sarcastic

 No.10497

>>10495
Forgot to add: You've noticed those same weebs will get mad when they see a normal looking woman in any other media, if you think about it said character looks like a real woman you'd find on the street and that what offends those weebs, they relinquish of the very image of anything outside their fantasy.

 No.10499

>>10495
>>10497
>Anime is the most aggressive escapism there is
I'd say vidya and cartoons are similar judging by the Youtube chanels built on just those topics.
>if you think about it said character looks like a real woman you'd find on the street and that what offends those weebs, they relinquish of the very image of anything outside their fantasy.
So they're incels (that does explain the 2D > 3Dpd shit).

 No.10513

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does anime turn people into degenerates or are degenerates instinctually attracted to anime? half-serious question

 No.10521

>>10496
Thanks for the repost

 No.10523

>>10521
no prob

 No.10524

>Is anime inherently capitalist
In the sense that all non-independent media produced in capitalist countries is capitalist, yes, but it's up in the air whether that's a useful sense of the term. It is a commodity produced under capitalism. All that tells us is that there is a market for it under capitalist relations. Anime has no essence that could be described as more capitalist or socialist. It's literally culture and therefore part of the superstructure that is being determined by the base. Even if anime exists today in a hyper-commercialized context that doesn't mean that this is the only way it can be expressed.
>is it being a bad comrade to watch anime?
No and anyone who tells you otherwise is a wanker. But we ought to be smart consumers and try our best to identify the potential problems and propagandistic aspects even in media we enjoy.

TL;DR: On the list of things that are unethical to consume because of capitalism, anime or any motion picture, is probably low on that list. Just be smart and don't fall for any propaganda.

 No.10544

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Liberals: "MUH ANIMU IS BAD AND MYSOGINIST"
https://archive.ph/q4FJ4
>implying that modern anime isn't directly influenced and targeting American markets.
>implying that modern anime isn't a product of US control of Japan
>implying that enjoying media without going into its ideological ramifications is impossible.
<This assumption that all animation produced in Japan is basically the same reveals critics of anime as ridiculously ethnocentric.
I think that those /co/fags and liblefts that tar anime as being nationalist when most American movies and almost all capeshit are just as nationalist are fucking hilarious hypocrites. Typically "the Left" when going after an anime due to its ideological ramifications also tends to hate on the anime itself because it doesn't fit their ideological morals. Most Americans also don't realize just how nationalistic their own film industry is. They don't notice because it like any propaganda that works has been drilled into them since long ago.

The military is involved in Hollywood; it's literally their propaganda arm. The military and CIA both have offices devoted specifically to "consultation" where they review scripts, nixing the ones that they don't like and funding the ones that they do. Trumbo is a great film that covers this. See >>>/hobby/13010 and >>>/hobby/10316

Hollywood is also known for their ability to rent military equipment to Hollywood on the cheap. The film "Captain Marvel" had airforce adverts running before the screening. Superheroes are the ultimate Randian wetdream. Ubermenschen dealing out justice where the government fails to show results. Not that the medium is reactionary as a whole. The "British Invasion" created a space for nominally more liberal, even leftwing publication. That's excluding the machismo of US military in the Bayformers series.

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>>10544
This is not to say that Japan is clean of this shit either.
https://archive.ph/zmB41
There was a fascinating article by Eiji Ōtsuka (pdf) that was translated and published by Thomas Lamarre in Mechademia a couple years ago called "An Unholy Alliance of Eisenstein and Disney: The Fascist Origins of Otaku Culture". It basically showed how Japan's animation industry has roots in Showa fascist recuperation of Constructivist film theory (imported from the Soviet Union) to create Disney-like propaganda films. These circumstances are very unique as far as state propaganda goes and the advent of the "Cool Japan" reignited discussion of this. An unfortunately common "leftist" (I would say, liberal) interpretation tends to frame all anime as fascist (or at the very least, reactionary) but this is usually just cope meant to explain away all of the anime avis in their mentions who're unironically spewing fascist talking points. Neither are particularly interested in the industry, its history, nor its workers' struggles. Rather, they're just looking for something to complain about.

I vividly remember seeing photos of anime girls painted on the sides of attack helicopters a couple years ago. But it goes deeper than that. The JSDF under Abe leaned heavily into anime for recruitment. Of course Militarism in anime predates the Abe administration by decades; academics have been talking about its influence in mecha anime in particular for a long time.
The "soft power" of Japan's cultural output is all they're really allowed to have on the world stage, so anime is their go-to influence (such as GATE >>1658 ). With Shinzo Abe's resignation and plan to complete his grandfather's dream of expanding the JSDF foiled due to Ulcerative colitis, I assume this will remain unchanged for many more years to come.

Hayao Miazaki is everyone's go-to example of criticism of Japanese militarism and it's results; by the late 90s we clearly see fewer instances of graphic violence and sexual themes in his films, coinciding with discussions caused by the Heisei era's Otaku Killer Case and . It's dismissive to call it all "facist natalist propaganda" as Japan's government didn't really start to seriously help fund productions until the turn of the millennium. You're ignoring the years of left wing influence on anime/manga, as well as its many nuances (which would likely be deemed politically incorrect by western audiences anyway). A lot of this has to do with the language barrier, too; I don't wanna say it can't be helped, but most people who so quick to dismiss a whole industry's output like this aren't normally interested.

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>>10544
>The military is involved in Hollywood
Also the reason the military isn't slapping Marvel characters onto their choppers (outside of them being real people and not cartoons) is because the old tradition of Military art is kinda less common and more for meme value today (pic related) and the Marvel films are blatant enough for the purpose. They (U.S. Armed Forces) focus more on video games than movies; they even have their own video game called America's Army and their USArmy ESports team. Though they have been going after anime recently too as seen in the numerous Netflix "animes" coming out and more https://archive.ph/vB6oo

 No.10549

>>10496
But why do so many youth these days prefer the East though, it must be asked? It's not a bad thing obviously, but it's something to wonder about, is it because the cultural products there are "better", or is it just because of this sort of exoticization of "over there"? Or is this exaggerated all out of proportion because otaku are yet to exit niche subculture even now?

It's not the samurai that really get them, at least not truly because otherwise the films of Akira Kurosawa would be much more in the forefront of discussion by japanophiles and other /jp/ lurkers. It's not vidya either, despite the popularity most Japanese videogames are functionally and popularity wise no more or less popular than Western content. This leaves us with anime and travel vlogs going over tourist attractions.

 No.10552

>>10549
It just has a lot to offer in niche interests. Like really outdated tech? Japanese businessmen depend on it literally still using fax machines and pagers and retro computers in 2021. Like ultra futuristic tech? The country innovates. Like videogames? They make lots. Like horror films? They specialize in them at least when it comes to supernatural horror. Like trains? They have tons of different trains old and new. Like food? They have lots of unusual cuisine. Like traditionalist clothing? They got that. Like street wear? They got that. Like cute things? Japan is obsessed with cuteness. You get the idea. Basically anyone that feels alienated where they live thinks Japan would be fun to visit maybe even live in or wish their country was a little more like it. Japan has a sort of mind your own business kind of culture while the west is more about intervening in people's private lives and public behaviours. Not that I think it's perfect they have a fucked up work culture and work conditions and I find them too collectivist in the confirmist sense culturally.

 No.10554

>>10552
>Japanese businessmen depend on it literally still using fax machines
<fax machines
<outdated
I use that shit plenty, fax machines are great.

but yeah you make a good point, it's an excessive case of "The grass is greener over there"

 No.10594

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I'm not that big into anime but i was wondering
Why haven't animefans done anything to keep rightwing cucks from shitting up their community?
If they truly didn't care about politics then why do they let the rightoidz force their politics into every facet of their groups?
You'd think they'd be very adamant about keeping that from giving them a bad name

 No.10598

>>10594
The problem is the internet is dying turning into a corporate plaything and stopped being a community matter that can be controlled like it would have in the earlier 2000s.

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>>10594
>Why haven't animefans done anything to keep rightwing cucks from shitting up their community?
The same reason most real leftists (in the West) are outside or lurk on obscure sites like this - having a nuanced understanding coms with complicated conceptualizations (the above posts or /edu/ are good examples) and this means that people generally don't care enough to listen, loud and simple ideas are easier to digest and so more attractive, this is how the right-wing remains popular despite being functionally horrible, it's also the reason the Bolsheviks started their movement on simple terms of "Land, Peace and Bread" rather than lengthy spouting of Marxist dialectics; they left that for post-revolution.
Additionally the liberals are the face of what most people consider leftist, despite them not being leftist at all, and liberal takes on anime are cringe as fuck; it's either LARPing as cute animu girls or screeching about big boobs being sexist (and not capitalism being it's usual self again).

 No.10731

>>10489
>Anime is reactionary for re inforcing and capitalizing on the concept of Moe and Manime. Slice of Life and the Shonen genres are guilty of this the most
The fact that moe/manime/shonen series often are garbage and might be full of sexist cliches doesn't mean that they're inherently reactionary for having a certain storytelling or visual style. Every genre in every media has tropes and trends. It doesn't make everything reactionary. Reactionary isn't a synonym for "things I don't like". It's not progressive to find sexism in harmless gags and humor or purposeful extreme machoism. It isn't realistic, nor meant to be because it's specifically a massive exaggeration for the sake of humor and enjoyment. Nobody thinks Dragon Ball Z is a complex intelligent show, or that the tits on a hot anime grill have deeper meaning.
>reactionary gender roles in conservative imperialist Japan
Traditional isn't a synonym for Reactionary either. Reactionary means to use government policy to force things to go back which makes it other side of progressive which is government policy to go forward. The terms are relative to what the past and present of any given country is. What government policy is working to backtrack Japanese culture when it comes to gender roles? They are moving forward not backward although slowly compared to some countries which is conservative not reactionary. As for it enforcing, no that all depends, because it's not all like that and just portraying something isn't same as enforcing it. Enforcing would more be actually making it portrayed favourable for everyone overall in it's narrative rather than it merely existing.

It's unfair to write off "anime culture" as a totally reactionary one, because the presence of regressive things in works that are of this medium does not preclude the possibility of productions that accelerate in a progressive direction. For example, a good number of older anime even today bring excellent themes which are antiwar and anti-imperialist, and they often put the progressively disguised but nonetheless imperialist movie productions of the Anglo nations to shame. And, to provide another instance, even while supposedly circumscribed by conceptions of gender roles, plenty of shoujo manga find ways to give resistance against the aforementioned expected roles that don't involve generic liberal takes. Tit's n' ass are fanservice, for low-brow enjoyment, if you don't like that, don't watch it. And don't claim that it's defended, when weebs call out pointless fanservice for being shit constantly - Mari Makinami is a great example of "tits and ass" that people disliked because it was a shitty insert for fanservice and bad plot shoe-ins.

"Otaku culture" today does have one serious drawback that could limit its usefulness in its current form to the Left, and that is its hyperconsumeristic nature. In light of the radical leftist histories of figures in the industry and the statements from previous paragraph that means that any mainstream manifestation of progressive themes risk recuperation under the current capitalist system. But that's again not particular exactly to only anime and otaku shit, although there admittedly aren't many other subcultures as consumption obsessed as this one.

TL;DR: Reactionary, traditional, and conservative all mean different things. They can overlap, but not always. A culture can't be reactionary unless it is a reaction to change in culture. Also progressive doesn't mean a specific narrow thing being good. In the past progressives were all for eugenics for example because they thought that was totally progressive to breed people into being healthier and fitter and stronger and smarter. Anime is not inherently reactionary and the problems lie in individual shows and people. It's not progressive to find sexism in harmless gags and humor or purposeful extreme machoism. It isn't realistic, nor meant to be because it's specifically a massive exaggeration for the sake of humor and enjoyment. You can criticize it for being low effort but that's not the same thing, heck there are plenty of awful shit and dumb tropes in anime but they aren't reactionary or need to be reactionary to be criticized.

 No.10988

>>10545
>>10544
A recent article on this 'shocking' fact of US movie censorship and funding by the military that I found very informative:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/pentagon-leaned-hollywood-sell-war-afghanistan/278568/
(It's all archived on archive.is or wayback for the pdfs).
The article goes really into depth on several films and their producers, directors, actors etc. and the sheer involvement of the US Army in trying to hype up their forces. They also go into gaming, streaming and sports funding of the US military and the effort it goes into making itself look good. I also very much suggest clicking on the links and other articles as they contain a myriad of information that keeps spreading and spreading like an hegemonic octopus of capitalist militarism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion >>>/edu/8394

A couple months ago the US military released an animated recruitment ad that featured a lesbian soldier from lesbian (petite bourg) parents that lived the American Dream but she sought more and signed up into the army doing cool athletics (all animated of course) and it's just so cool and empowering gurlz, RLY! And obviously people had been fast to point out A) The impotence compared to Russian and Chinese military recruitment videos
B) The obvious animu inspiration (or more accurately ripping off the aesthetic of the lame yuri-baiting She-Ra reboot… >>>/hobby/7671 that ripped off Magical Girl anime).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfe6d6MzeLM&ab_channel=CensoredNewsNow (comparison of the 3 ads one after the other).

 No.10991

>>10988
>>>/hobby/7671
>2nd pic
>blaming based 80 - 90's anime
Gay.

 No.10992

>>10991
>gay
Are you back again spammer? Regardless it's not blaming anything - 80s-90s anime are the inspiration…. but they project their idpol and idiocy onto it, coming off as the liberal versions of weeb lolcows

 No.10996

>>10988
the she-ra reboot wasn't bad

 No.10999

>>10992
>>10988
>when something I don't like draws inspiration from something I like, it's a rip-off
No way, are you the autist in that Steven Universe thread from back in Bunkerchan? The one who kept screeching about muh CalArts?

 No.11001

>>10999
>Everyone that points out problems is the same person
Are you the autist that tried to defend beanface Cal Arts? Also funny but you're posting is distinct by the fact that you say "U-ur dat autist" to anyone that calls you out, lel. I have to ask are you the Spinel-fag?
>something I don't like draws inspiration from something I like, it's a rip-off
No, it's a ripoff if it just blatantly imitates something and has little to do with the original source material as a reboot.
Since you brought up Steven Booneyverse I suggest you read the effort post on Revolutionary Girl Utena in that thread because it's statements are very applicable to She-Ra. >>>/hobby/3758

>>10996
>not [that] bad
Compared to some cartoons of the past 5 years, no. But it isn't that good either and it's got too much liberalism in its monarchist fantasy.
Regardless you're digressing from the main point - that the US CIA controlled industry is using every blatant manipulation it can to ideologically and culturally impact people. This isn't a discussion about "muh She-ra" I'm just pointing out an example. On that note a good anime-inspired but clearly independent work is Avatar the Last Airbender - that is something I'd call one of the best cartoons made. It's sequel is one of the most disappointing and for the same reasons as She-ra >>>/hobby/2562 it inserted needless liberalism and got indolent in its story-telling and later it's animation.

 No.11017

>>11001
Nah, the She Ra reboot wasn't bad. Not as good as the He-man reboot though.

 No.11018

>>11001
No you fucking idiot, I'm not the only person on the whole site who finds you extremely annoying, and I certainly wasn't the only person in the Steven Universe thread watching you sperg out about le beanface. And no, I'm not Spinelfag either. You might have Asperger's.
I don't see how the fuck She-Ra is a rip-off. It seems that it's just inpired a lot by magical girl anime and uses a lot of the common tropes. That's not a rip-off.

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>>11018
>that finds you
<everyone I dislike is the same person
Get over yourself and take meds. I've posted ~10-15 posts in the entire SU thread over the past 2 years.
>I certainly wasn't the only person in the Steven Universe thread watching you sperg out about le beanface
<PEOPLE discussing animation style and arguing over its merits is "sperging out"
Are you actually retarded or you think that everyone pointing out that stupid style is the same person? Are you mentally ill or just stupid? These are boards dedicated to media topics, it's the POINT to argue and discuss, no?
>inb4 muh IP count
The site only counts IPs from before the split, so even if a thread had 100 posters, if nobody posted after the split you'd see 1 recorded IP, the OP's.
>I'm not Spinelfag either
See that's the difference, I asked if you are, you just make up accusations
>I don't see how the fuck She-Ra is a rip-off.
<inpired a lot by magical girl anime and uses a lot of the common tropes
Because it's unoriginal. This is like saying Darling in the Franxx is just "inspired" by Evangelion… the similarities to it are so damn close that the differences are nigh irrelevant. Hell ORIGINAL She-Ra predates the Mahou Shoujo of Sailor Moon and it shared tropes but as link related points out, they're not directly related.
https://archive.ph/SFntG
They literally pull iconic scenes from Sailor Moon and Utena in She-Ra. If the show hadn't been such a mess over-all I don't think I'd care, Utena is a brilliant show and Sailor Moon is a classic 90s anime, but instead I feel like I'm bootlegging a better show. What do people get out of reboot She-ra? Magical Girl Adventures? There are better ones that it's based on. A Western /co/ instead of anime? Again there are better ones (Ex: ATLA) or the original. For lesbian bait? There are much better and more poignant things than the edgy libshit here. The fact that the best scenes in She-Ra ripoff iconic moments of other Magical Girl Shows indicates that there is no point to it. I might just as well read fanfiction.

The pandering to "le animu style" is obvious and acknowledged in modern non-beanface cartoons. That's literally all media outlets on anime and cartoons talk about in relation to that shit.

If you wanna get to the point - I dislike the She-Ra reboot, it's annoying and poorly done…. But I can't just say that, because peopl online jump down your throat if you dare to state an opinion unelaborated. Thus lengthy replies that you call "sperging out" The fact that others also reply at length or post at length like this is indicative of that.

>>11017
>Not as good as the He-man reboot though
Lel, that's a good one. the animation is top-notch but I'm kinda meh about it's plot

 No.11325

If the Soviets or other communists had made Japan also communist, how would anime be like nowadays? Would socialist realism be the aesthetic of slice of life? Would it be possible even for otaku culture to exist, in that case, without the constant urge to promote hyperconsumption? The reason Otakuism is so unhealthy is people's deep obsessions about various subcultures nowadays come from the state of postmodernity and a sort of "alienated from society" mentality, as consumerist identities replace identities based around more intrinsic personal and action-based aspects.

In my opinion Otaku as hyperconsumers wouldn't exist, but they would exist as fans, that's for sure. Anime wouldn't have pantyshots and all that jazz, but eroticism and the subversive female power are deeply ingrained in Japanese culture, so I guess we'd still have some titties. Who said that eroticism (not pornography) and socialism aren't compatible? Look at the collaborations of the USSR and Japanimation they made a few anime together and several more were approved for sale in the USSR. Basically stuff from the 80s was pretty approved by leftists. >>3735 In the USSR and former states there are a large community of LOTR fans who wrote essentially fanfictions and apocryphal sequels. In the USSR we still had 'fandoms' they just didn't have internet on which to organize, Высоцкий and many other musicians, actors and cultural figures (including fictional ones such as those of the Three Musketeers) were what people liked.

TL;DR: IMO Under socialism fandoms will still exist but be more healthy in their attitudes.

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>>Is anime inherently a reactionary/capitalist product or can it be a communist or pro-communist one?
Anime is not inherently capitalist as it is not as profitable as other industries. Animators work in poor conditions because they want to be animators, not beause it will make them money. They could seriously work elsewhere with better working conditions and the same level of qualifications. There have also been anime projects which stray from capitalist models.
>>Will anime be produced under socialism? Could Japan have produced anime if it had become a Soviet State in the Cold War? How would anime look like or differ under socialism?
Anime under socialism would be higher quality as producers would not use it for profit so animators would be free to pursue their own anime projects. This would mean less anime though. Under a soviet regime there would surely have been animation from Japan, but depending on when the revolution happened it might be very different.
>>Why are nearly all weebs and otaku right-wing or radlibs? Why are they so cringe and self-entitled?
I feel like there is a very strong left-wing culture among weebs just as much as there is a right-wing culture. That might be just from my experiences though.

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 No.11355

>>11353
Short and to the point, nice.
>>11354
>both
kek

 No.11360

>>11024
the pic you posted is an obvious homage/reference, though. Again, not plagiarism.

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>>11360
Even Steven Universe, as much as I loathe it, actually did references to Mahou Shoujo and other anime that didn't just rip-off scenes, there's a difference. It's also the reason I respect RWBY, despite it's massive flaws; it does references but stays original.
>Homage
This excuse is abused; it's not an Homage if the entire scene, it's context and preluding interactions are basically the same - that's plagiarism - You could only get more similar by literally tracing the figures. The biggest difference of Nu-Ra to prior Magical Girl content is the Zoomer-humor and lumpy-sandbag body designs.
This is a primary reason people dislike High Guardian Spice >>11233 it's formulaic and too similar.

A proper Homage (for example) is Quint's Obsession in Jaws, paralleling Captain Ahab in Moby Dick. It's not directly 1:1 and so not a ripoff unlike something like Orca that did scenes from Jaws but using Ice Floes and lacking the originality of the Shark original.
In media if a scene is directly similar to almost all details, it's either a parody or a ripoff.

Regardless I addressed this and more, the pic is just an example of the unoriginality of Rhee-ra.

 No.11363

>>11361
>it's not an Homage if the entire scene, it's context and preluding interactions are basically the same - that's plagiarism - You could only get more similar by literally tracing the figures.
Okay, if that's true, then it's definitely plagiarism, though I still think She-Ra is pretty open about its magical girl inspirations for that to be "intentional" plagiarism.

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>>11363
In this case it's definitely true, people gushed about it. The only differences is that they had Adora and Catra go back and forth at RPing Anthy and Utena:
In "Save the Cat" Adora/Utena goes to the "The Castle where Eternity Dwells/ Castle in the Sky" which is Horde Prime's ship to get Catra/Anthy out of this brainwashed toxic loop she is in. skip to her becoming She-Ra again and that is pretty much a direct shot from later in the Utena series where the sword is in her right hand and Anthy/Catra is held just like that in the left.
The pic I posted is one of the reverses; Adora being trapped/enslaved to Destiny much like Anthy had no volition of her own. Her wants and needs are swept aside for everyone else. Catra/Utena says she's not going to let her keep doing this alone, like Utena.
On paper this is a fine homage, but the execution is important, and copying it just feels cheap, since the rest of the writing is more like Sailor Moon's filler episodes than Utena.

>She-Ra is pretty open about its magical girl inspirations for that to be "intentional" plagiarism

This is also true, but frankly that really isn't my main point of contention, it's the unoriginality combined with the modern "humor", shapeless, tumblr-type artstyle and liberal idpol inserted that just aggravate me. Utena never hid it's Yuri but simultaneously made it gracious and beautiful - art instead of cheap drama - and so even as a straight person it didn't bother me in the slightest.
I also dislike it because it' not JUST a Magical Girl Series but a Reboot of an existing series (by a person that hadn't even been around during She-Ra) and it just felt lame. it's not even the gay stuff, that's normal, it's the hyperfocus on that and only that, ALL the girls are Lesbian Caricatures and the only male protagonist is a pathetic stereotypical soyboy. The original Bow had been a beefy yet flamboyant man and gay or not seemed like a good fellow and supporting character, the new Boiw has the character of a moist noodle.
Link related kinda explains it at length and from a female perspective: https://theladyfromplanetx.wordpress.com/2018/07/22/im-a-woman-and-i-dont-like-the-new-she-ra/

 No.11376

>>11361
>This excuse is abused; it's not an Homage if the entire scene, it's context and preluding interactions are basically the same - that's plagiarism

You are literally retarded my dude

 No.11379

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>>11376
>reddit spacing
>ad hominum
>clearly not reading
Opinion discarded

 No.11384

>>11379

You are literally a retard my guy

 No.11539

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Why do otaku worship capitalism?
There's no other consumer like otaku consumer. He's totally invested in willingly getting exploited. His life entirely revolves around buying garbage escapist crap. He completely internalised the logic of capitalist market and otaku media espouses similar morals too.
The false consciousness is too strong with otaku

 No.11550

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>>11539
>Why do otaku worship capitalism?
Because they are a result of Capitalism, its alienating effect on people and hyperconsumerism promotion.
Article on hyperconsumerism: https://archive.ph/yjckq
Speaking of Hyper consumerism and the article, lolberts began coping and seething about "muh Vuvzuela" and "muh Yeltsin at Supermarket" garbage: https://archive.md/c4XFr

>like otaku consumer.

Capeshit? /co/fags? There are numerous examples of comparable consumption and exploitation.

 No.12018

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Can otaku culture exist as we know it under communism?
Will anime be produced by the state to promote the state propaganda?
What about comiket? Will it be made illegal because it's just market exchange? Will artists be allowed to work on commissions?
What about degenerate shit in otaku media? Will it be banned because it affects communist ethics and productivity? Will lolicon content be legal?

 No.12019

What about vtubers?
Considering how most shit in otaku industry is based on exploiting alienated individuals by offering them escapism, will it exist in communism?

 No.12020

Otaku culture is ultimately defining your lifestyle by consumption so one would hope not

 No.12021

>>12019
>Considering how most shit in otaku industry is based on exploiting alienated individuals by offering them escapism
This is why I don't think otaku culture can survive into communism. There will be art forms like anime, manga, eroge but they won't pander to otaku sensibilities.

 No.12022

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>Can otaku culture exist as we know it under communism?
No
>Will anime be produced by the state to promote the state propaganda?
USSR made a lot of cartoons, not just propaganda.
>What about comiket? Will it be made illegal because it's just market exchange?
I don't see why it should be banned as long as what artists make is legal.
>What about degenerate shit in otaku media? Will it be banned because it affects communist ethics and productivity? Will lolicon content be legal?
Definitely banned

Daily reminder that Comrade Sumipe will lead us through the shining path of communism, purging anime and manga of their reactonary elements.

 No.12023

>>12022
>I don't see why it should be banned as long as what artists make is legal.
It's a kind of capitalist market.
It was illegal to sell your art in such markets even in USSR

 No.12024

>>12023
Making fanworks for profit is illegal in Japan too, doujin are extremely cheap because they price covers the cost of printing with no profit to the artist. Original works are of course more expensive because the artist wants to make a profit.
We might want to get rid of the market part of comiket but I can't see why it should be banned outright.

 No.12025

>Can otaku culture exist as we know it under communism?
Nothing we know will stay as we know it in communism.
>Will anime be produced by the state
Are you a libertarian or something? Retarded question, anime will be produced by anime studios.
>What about comiket?
>Will artists be allowed to work on commissions?
If we're talking communism why would artists need to sell their shit?
If we're talking lower stage artists would be paid to release their work for free.

>What about degenerate shit in otaku media?

I imagine the majority of people wouldn't agree to give up their labor time over for production of pornography so that's something artists will have to do in their free time.

>Will lolicon content be legal?

I don't care about legality but the real question is how workers having a say in production will affect it.
Will typography workers agree to print child rape manga if not for money? Will data center workers have scruples on pulling the plug on a server they know is hosting child rape manga if not for money? Who knows, who knows.

>>12019
Unlike anime that requires team effort, there's not much you need to do vtuber stuff, all can be done by single person with internet connection. Not something that should be heavily policed unless the person is talking nazi shit or straight up misinformation.

 No.12026

>>12018
The conditions of emergence of Otaku culture are deeply linked to capitalism, a radically different society would produce something different. However, some elements of otaku culture would survuive and be implemented into the new cultural landscape, like cultural concepts and artistic work produced under slavery and feudalism made it to our contemporary culture

 No.12027

>>12025
>Retarded question, anime will be produced by anime studios.
But there'll be no private anime studios. It'll be owned by the state.

 No.12029

>>12027
Yeah, you are a libertarian.

 No.12030

>>12029
Or maybe he's just confusing socialism with communism

 No.12031

>>12030
No one knows what communism will look like. But everyone on this site ask for the state to take control of everything.

 No.12032

>>12027
>everything that's not privately owned is owned by the state
>>12031
>communism is when government does things
Can you not?

 No.12033

>>12032
In every socialist state it's the government that does everything.
>but it's not communism
Show me a country with communism then.

 No.12034

>>12027
See George Lucas' interview with Charlie Rose; he discusses his inspirations from Soviet Sci-Fi and the freedom of art they had in comparison to himself and the rest of Hollywood.

 No.12035

>>12019
V-tubers are a direct result of escapism and so have no reason to exist in socialism outside of very niche and specific content. See >>11250

 No.12042

>>12033
"Government" is a very specific thing that has specific functions and the bus I'm riding isn't a "government bus" just because transport in my city is publicly funded.

 No.12067

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Have you ever noticed in like the anime sphere or whatever the fuck you tend to have people dunking on mangaka for writing their shit such as with the dudes who wrote HxH getting clowned on for not being a slave to shonen magazines and shit or hell even when Berzerk was around it was getting shit on for the delays. I find that to be kind of fucked up in a way and I Mostly see this on 4chan but I can't help but think "Why the fuck should the author be a slave to their own franchise." Even if it's disappointing that a series just stops or didn't really continue on, I think it's more fucked up to demand that an author work, despite the fact that most of these assholes don't even pay for their shit, like I'm pro-piracy and shit but if you want free shit, then you don't get a right to bitch about how the author isn't doing shit for you y'know? But that is kind of a tangant. I just think that nerddom in general is kind of anti-worker.

 No.12068

>>12067
Please go to the animator thread and repost that discusses this topic in detail. OR post this rather meta topic in ANIMETA.
thanks

 No.12072

Yeah, I've noticed. I guess when munching down on media is all your life revolves around (definitely the case for nearly everyone on /a/) you start feeling extremely entitled. Let the world go to hell but I shall always have my tea. Of course the culture industries actively encourage this kind of rabid engagement that nerds practice. This is the whole point of consumerism, turn products into a fundamental emotional need

 No.12845

>I'm pro-piracy and shit but if you want free shit, then you don't get a right to bitch
you arent pro-piracy then

 No.12849

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This wouldn't be a problem if any popular series is artificially made longer because the editor wants more sales (until it no longer is popular and gets axed and can't even get a natural, non-abrupt end).

 No.12855

>>12067
Fuck, I've been guilty of this quite a few times. At least I find solace knowing the author will never ever read anything I have posted about him on the net

 No.12856

>>12067
> if you want free shit, then you don't get a right to bitch about how the author isn't doing shit for you
True, although that doesn't mean legitimate criticism can't be made of an author. The author of Nagatoro started as a free WN and that's cool, but I can still point out the blatant toxicity of many interactions in it.

 No.12857

>>12856
Nah I think OP is specifically talking about complaining that an author isn't working on making more chapters

 No.12858

>>12857
Ah, yeah that is cunty.

 No.12881

>when Berzerk was around it was getting shit on for the delays
And it deserved it, the author strung people around for years until he finally died before finishing the damn story. Biggest tease in storytelling history.

 No.12883

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>>12881
>author strung people around for years until he finally died before finishing the damn story
<Biggest tease in storytelling history.
You better be japing.

 No.12886

>>12883
He was too good for this rotten world.

 No.12891

>>12883
Honestly it would have been better if he let the assistants do all the art if he didn't push himself so hard, but you know what I can't really fault him. It's the industry being the way it is. He died doing what he loved.

 No.12904

>>12891
>if he let the assistants do all the art if he didn't push himself so hard
He did near the end and it shows in the art style changing a bit.

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 No.13842

>>13841
>The Nazis fled to South America because they knew it'd be impossible to find a trace of them among the mass searches for "SS" by Brazilian Dragon Ball Z fans
LMAO
>links
?

 No.13870

>>13869
Beelzebub

 No.14000

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a half serious proposal:

On the topic of otaku stuff and communism, Cuba's online encyclopedia has a section for anime, but although there are a fair number of articles present, it seems to be sparse in the content of said articles. Maybe we can help fill it out a little? China has some online encyclopedias and dedicated anime ones also, but they already have a lot of anime fans and otaku, so likely not as much help is necessary, although it'd be good to gather information from everyone's encyclopedias to mutually improve.

This sort of work'd count technically as actual practice, and our otaku autism might be useful for once.

 No.14174

>>14000
What sort of information would we add to it?

 No.14177

>>14000
This is pretty cool and a good idea, kinda like leftypedia. >>14174 brings up a good point, what should be added? Plot summaries? Leftist analyses etc?

 No.14189

>>14177
That honestly was sort of a half-joke, but yeah it could be done.

>>14174
Basic data that hasn't been filled in like author information and episode intros, multimedia such as topic-relevant pictures to enrich the pages, little corrections here and there, and if more ambitious whatever pages the Portal has on the to-do list could be a few simple tasks? There are probably guidelines over there available to follow and random menial duties to complete if these aren't suitable.

>leftist analysis

Addition of "leftist anime analysis", even though obviously the meme of "neutral nonpartisan objectivity" is a delusion, is not that good of an idea in this situation because the "environment of an encyclopedia" bestows an aura of objectivity, even if illusory, and to grant that upon some capitalist countries' imageboard shitposters' opinions or even a more prestigious source is undesirable. Leftists probably cannot even agree on what our takes on the Gone with the Wind franchise should be. And to try too hard to frame popular media, from the currently majority bourgeois culture industry, into "leftist analysis" comes off somewhat liberal and immature in a way. Again, this should just be predominantly very ordinary work, like summaries of episodes or spinoffs and such.
Plus the administrators might suspect vandalism and haul out the bans.

 No.15348

>excessive amounts of pornography
>rainbow haired characters with the goofiest hairstyles in existence
>dogwater attention to facial anatomy
>character designs thatre either overglorified BDSM gear or look so out of place you’d assume it’s your ingame avatar in a cutscene during an important moment in an RPG

Tell me again why someone new to anime should join the community and assume this industry is fucking dead

 No.15350

you shouldn't get into anime you should just fuck off instead

 No.15352

>>15350
Do you have an argument
Because what I’m hearing is “I know your right but because I have nothing to say I’ll insult you than confront my dying community and the industries god awful practices”

 No.15353

try cartoons

 No.15354

literally none of this is exclusive to "current" anime lol

 No.15355

op is a faggot

 No.15356

>>15353
What the fuck is the difference honestly?

 No.15357

You kind of have to dig for it these days but there are occasionally gems.
What are you into?

 No.15358

Most contemporary media in general is pretty awful.

 No.15359

>>15357
Anime that don’t contain the above problems or grown ass women that sound like toddlers

 No.15360

>Planetes
>Ping Pong
>Flowers of Evil
>Mushishi
>Tatami Galaxy
>Lain

OP, it is with a heavy heart I must say that u r mr gay

 No.15361

>Tell me again why someone new to anime should join the community
if they are like you i'd rather not

 No.15362

>>15348
>>excessive amounts of pornography
good

 No.15364

>>15360
>Planets
I watched that in junior HS, it wasnt very captivating, guess I wasn't ready for it yet.

 No.15366

>>15364
Planetes*

 No.15367

>>15364
>>15366
it's about office politics, geopolitics, starting a career and young adulthood, and the fallout of unrealistic dreams colliding with reality

it's seinen, targeted at college student and older males, not really something most teenagers would be into

OP's problem is that he watches shonen for middle schoolers and gets mad that they aren't seinen when he should just google seinen anime

 No.15368

>first point
Not true. Anime is way too toned down in order to make it on TV. Anime is almost always censored compared to its source material.
>goofy hairstyles
and that's a good thing, unfortunately looking at YGO for example they've toned this down as well
>dogwater
What does that mean?
>character designs that are overdesigned
Not enough if you ask me.

>why should you join the community

You shouldn't. You should have friends. You shouldn't take a single element in life and 'join' it. Read books, watch movies, shows, go outside, do a plethora of things. This catch-all 'anime' is cringe.

>15364

It's just boring. Don't worry man. Just watch what piques your interest. There will always someone with less life experience telling you how amazing a certain anime is. That doesn't mean it isn't a valid opinion to hold that it's boring.

 No.15369

>>15368
>>dogwater
>What does that mean?
I assume OP means those eyes animated on top of the hair or the general trend of less defined facial features.

 No.15370

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So OP is complaining that anime goes for stylistic choices that are often cheaper than more costly? Animation should be over the top fantastical, for realism you might as-well hire real actors.

 No.15371

>>15370
meant to reply to >>15369

Anime is all about having perspective. Know what it is and what it isn't. OP blaming an anime for using color is stupid.

 No.15372

another fucking recommendation thread (dont pretend that isnt what you wanted faggot)

 No.15388

>15372
Yeah. I think anyone that started recing things should be banned. I don't think he wanted them honestly.

 No.15394

>>15348
>>excessive amounts of pornography
>>rainbow haired characters with the goofiest hairstyles in existence
>>dogwater attention to facial anatomy
>>character designs thatre either overglorified BDSM gear or look so out of place you’d assume it’s your ingame avatar in a cutscene during an important moment in an RPG
All these sound like good things.

 No.15395

>>15394
No no no no no! You have to be a social conservatism or else you're a le redditora man!!!!

 No.15404

my favorite genre of High Internet Intellectualism is when someone complains in broad strokes about media and accidentally reveals they’ve only been consuming content made for teenagers

 No.15431

>15404
Apply yourself. OP is wrong but not because of your sudden broad generalizations.

 No.15442

>sudden broad generalizations
lol

 No.15501

>>12022
>Comrade Sumipe
Who is she? She's a real looker.

 No.15515

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Deleuze spoke that the great fictional classical narratives in cinema were finished and that now we have a world of incredible possibilities for experimentation with formal elements and affective tones without narrative closures, while anime became a mix and match machine of moe characters and tropes.

There has been a turn towards the predominance of small narratives and the moe-based consumption of characters in the production of anime as well as reception since the 90s (notably from Evangelion) onwards. This is the reason why Azuma Hiroki called it the new "database consumption" of otaku, being the industry a factory of simulacra and moe tropes. It is seen in the prevalence in contemporary anime of animation techniques that prioritize the exaggerated effects of relatively immobilized images over the realistic movement based on action (Disney's animation style). This approach in affection is properly exemplified in Chobits, and many other popular romcom and harem anime.

This idea of ​​"database consumption" also occurs in the practice of choosing not to translate certain words (senpai, etc.), not only because of the ubiquity, but also because the (fan)translators understood them at some level as addresses in the "database" instead of natural words. Taking again the example of "senpai", this term almost has a completely different connotation than just say "teacher" due to the tropes that are ubiquitous in moe culture.

 No.15555

Do Japanese teens want to get away from their society that badly, or are the LN writers simply too lazy to do stories that aren't isekai? Have consumers not gotten bored? Is anime gonna get less popular paradoxically as it becomes more mainstream?

 No.15584

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>>15555
>Do Japanese teens want to get away from their society that badly
<or are the LN writers simply too lazy to do stories that aren't isekai
Both. Isekai can be good but it lends itself to shitty cheap and no-effort 'writing' and its popular because people seek to escape their reality, especially in the socially repressive capitalist society that Japan has.
>Have consumers not gotten bored
They liked [X] product and so after they finish it, they want more of the same, trying to recapture the excitement of the first time they read such a story, that's the reason many popular Isekai play on some kind of twist like Konosuba or Shield Hero.
>Is anime gonna get less popular paradoxically as it becomes more mainstream
Being mainstream makes it have more general of an audience, but the Isekai trend is going to die down as the consumer market gets oversaturated and people become tired of no-effort schlock.

 No.15672

>>15555
>>15584
I hate isekai as much as the next person but in the west you never see the few good niche isekai getting translated.

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 No.16648

>>16224
There's certainly something to be said about Hollywood and superhero shit and their infantile impact on people, but some of this shit is kinda going to the extreme other end out of pure contrarianism.

 No.16651

>>16224
Mf quoted Phil Greaves

 No.16728

>>15368
This is in relation to >>15348

 No.16755

>>16224
the last tweet was the only good tweet

 No.16756

>>15362
>>15394
no gay
most of the porn is guro or jailbait and not milf porn

 No.16758

Why do anime fans have such low standards when it comes to anime?
lot of them are poorly written garbage with writing that is even worse than your average children's cartoon or anime
Yet they think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread
Is it literally only because it looks pretty?

 No.16760

>>16758
>Why do anime fans have such low standards when it comes to anime
Because it's become mainstream and computer graphics are much easier to do than the old 2D hand animation as a result Japanese anime series can be practically spammed and the effort into making them is almost zero, especially since very few good western cartoons are being made in the past 5-7 years.
Basically
- Have become easy to mass produce, and a glut of cheap Light Novels means that nobody needs to bother hiring full-time writers
- High demand means that people are going to eat up even shitty products en masse
- lack of competition by Western studios in terms of animated series (and movies TBH) means they dominate the market.
>Is it literally only because it looks pretty
IMO it doesn't even look all that pretty anymore, not like in the earlier decades, but yes, the cutesy big-eye moe-shit is attractive to terminally infantile and/or terminally online NEETs that are steadily becoming the majority of the First World (i.e. areas of significant US influence).
>they think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread
Because they have shit taste and anything to escape from their pointless reality is better than trying to self-actuate or do anything of meaning in their lives.

 No.16761

>>16756
>most of the porn is guro
I wish that were true, there's very little animated guro

 No.16763

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 No.16764

>>16763
You judge me for wanting to watch fictional characters die yet you want to watch me die. Curious!

 No.16765

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>>16764
Reap what you sow /d/eviant.

 No.16767

>>16765
I'm actually going to live until I'm 90 and I'll be watching little girls get split in half by chainsaws all the while

 No.16768

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>>16767
Sick fuck


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