what do you think about RWBY as an anime
It was made by a japanese fella so it's an anime, simple as.
>>8784This
And Aeon Flux is manhwa
Not an anglo so I'm not autistic about categories.
I dislike Rooster Teeth as a company, was always indifferent about RWBY but RIP Monty.
It's basically an anime because it's made bya a jap with weebs as his assistants, it's more than an imitation of japanimation style/jokes like ATLA has.
As a show/anime it's alright, not my favorite, but the memes and fanfiction are fun.
>>8783How did machinima become anime?
>>8807rwby was made in poser originally so its not machieama
>>8847>final panel is autistic screeching Classic RWBY memes.
I find RWBY to be largely boring despite its interesting ideas. Ironically like Fairy Tail however, its rather ripe for fanfiction crossovers.
>>8785Imma be honest… who gives a damn? It follows anime aesthetics, it's in this board, ergo anime, no need to be technical.
The way they do the white fang is such a lib take. A completely discarded subplot. And after
The fall of Beacon Ruby basically gets fucked over as a character. White Fang is done poorly but not inaccurately. It's supposed to be a rebellion but it just acts like shit a lot of the time. What they really don't explore is WHY there is anti-faunus sentiment. They're not that fucking different and if the cultures evolved at similar times and close proximity there ought to be no racist concepts in it. There's a reason why Orcs and elves are portrayed as very different in physical and cultural aspects to humans.
>inb4 "but black racism"Racism towards black people did not just arise because "dem negros are too dark skinned" But because of a multitude of reasons - cultural differences, stage of socio-economic development differences, etc. After modern chattel slavery and modern politics took the stage and people were already used to racism as a concept, THEN we get discrimination solely because of skin-color (and the associations that come with them). The same applies to Faunus, except more so, they didn't randomly arise on another continent away and get discovered by humans, they arose WITH humanity, so where did the racism come from? IMO they should have made a much stronger emphasis on animal traits (a la Monster Girls).
Miles and Kerry said themselves that they couldn't accurately write discrimination because they were white males and didn't know how to properly represent the oppression of minorities, but really it’s just laziness on their part. Being a "White Male" has nothing to do with it. Irish were an oppressed minority in the British Empire, and I've sure as hell read some good depictions of minority oppression written well by whites (To Kill a Mockingbird anyone?).
Adam was definitely nazbol. The White Fang's violence over-all isn't the issue, but Adam's portrayal seemed to make him a borderline sadist because "muh villain!!!". I'd be ok with him being a sadist, what I can't stand is that he went from extremist leader of a terrorist group to stalking, abusive ex-boyfriend. I'd say his character is too irrational to be the leader of a revolution ever, but he's the villain of a badly written cartoon show. They made him a sadist because it's the only way for the writers to show he's the villain since everyone who watched the show came to realize White Fangs are in the right (did they seriously expect people to sympathize with a corporation that uses slave labor just because the heir of said corporation is one of the main characters?).
But then Edgy Sadist Adam only made him cooler, so the writers to decide to make him even more obsessed with Blake. I'd have preferred a more level-headed villain, but heh, it's still a lib show that makes a horrible job in portraying minorities. I'm more surprised there aren't any money obsessed not-jews in Remnant. Then again making Adam a sadist is a bit of a libtard thing if you know a lot about the liberal mindset. Liberals dont think that people who hold beliefs outside "Muh window" are acting rationally or in good faith and are just acting out their personal problems on society as a whole. Obviously this actually does apply to some people (/pol/yp's) but not pro-civil rights revolutionaries. Also making Adams ideology that he wants to murder all humans indiscriminately makes him more like Idi Amin then say Mandela, Malcolm or MLK jr.
This is a fairly common sentiment too:
https://old.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/b4a21i/adam_was_always_a_flawed_character/>>8783For the first 3 seasons, RWBY was dumb fun with a bit of intriguing, mysterious, promising worldbuilding. Then it got loathsomely slow and self-serious with at least 2 major plotholes and out of character moments an episode. The worldbuilding was largely squandered or retconned. I finally dropped it because it just got just too retarded. Later seasons RWBY is fractally, holistically flawed. It's the anime equivalent of The Last Jedi. You cannot fix any one flaw because every flaw depends on every previous flaw, which intersect to create a resulting even greater flaw. Attempting to "fix" it would create something so drastically different as to bear no resemblance.
>Adam was definitely nazbol. The White Fang's violence over-all isn't the issue, but Adam's portrayal seemed to make him a borderline sadist because "muh villain!!!". I'd be ok with him being a sadist, what I can't stand is that he went from extremist leader of a terrorist group to stalking, abusive ex-boyfriend. I'd say his character is too irrational to be the leader of a revolution ever, but he's the villain of a badly written cartoon show.
IMO, Adam has barely any characterization before he becomes "el nightmare ex". He's just a generic edgy cool dude. You can infer that he might be an activist/driven revolutionary from his social position, but you can't really see it because he has like 5 lines of dialogue in the first 3 seasons. I was actually surprised when I first came across the "Adam is Lenin/Fred Hampton!" take, because I didn't recognize that as what the writers were trying to do with him. I really feel like people are reading what they wish they saw into him, which, I completely understand as I wish they had gone much further in that direction.
>I'd say his character is too irrational to be the leader of a revolution ever, but he's the villain of a badly written cartoon show. They made him a sadist because it's the only way for the writers to show he's the villain since everyone who watched the show came to realize White Fangs are in the right (did they seriously expect people to sympathize with a corporation that uses slave labor just because the heir of said corporation is one of the main characters?).
Correct. The need to spell out everyone and everything as explicitly good or explicitly evil is a pervasive problem with the Miles+Kerry's writing and screams immaturity.
>>9858>screams immaturity.Yep, I honestly think that RWBY started off with some really good concepts and new takes on "le magical girl fighting team" idea (such as the concept of Aura, which acted as a plausible excuse for characters to survive otherwise impossibly fatal attacks) and then just ruined it because they had no long-term plan after
Beacon's Fall. This really shows in fanfictions, where people can sometimes really expand and remove the initial flaws and so prevent that "Last Jedi"-tier muckup you described.
>>9857I keep watching it because it's like watching a trainwreck, but I honestly can't recommend it to anyone. There are so many dumb things, it's like the writers have no idea how to do their job.
Speaking of Adam and White Fangs: I always thought it was weird that Weiss, a porky racist, never apologized to Blake for her racism. Part of Weiss growth as a character is that at some point she realized that racism against faunus is wrong and that maybe if she wasn't part of the fantasy equivalent of a Virginian landowner, no faunus would have attacked her family business. I guess it's a bit awkward to say "Hey Blake, sorry for being racist and for using your kind as cheap labour", but still.
Another weird thing is the secondary villains are the White Fangs, a group that fights for the rights of faunus. They want to make a point how racism is wrong, yet when the main characters aren't busy killing monsters they beat up faunus who dared to attack a corporation that uses them as slaves. What RWBY is showing isn't exactly subtle for Americans and for people who know a bit of American history, but the writers are handling it with the usual "the path to hell is paved with good intentions" bullshit: sure faunus are oppressed and stuff, but maybe they should fight it with online petitions instead of taking up arms to fight those who work them to death. Oh and the fact that Huntsman are basically supercops doesn't help. No character is really bothered by racism against faunus, with the exception of faunus and maybe their human friends.
Adam was supposed to be an edgelord who wants to take revenge on humans, but it was later rewritten as a stalker obsessed with his ex. The more fans thought that white fangs were right, the more the writers tried to paint them as stupidly evil. And let's not talk about the lesbian faunus who was in love with Blake…
>>9871>Weiss, a porky racist, never apologized to Blake for her racismI'd reckon because that would be even more hollow and cartoonish, than them instead simply becoming friends.
>the lesbian faunus who was in love with Blake Oh no, not that…
>>9875To me it seems they simply swept under the rag the fact that one of the titular protagonists was racist.
>>9890Well not really, Weiss herself wasn't racist so much as her Father and his company. Regardless of her attitude, she was raised a snobby rich girl which is where most of her prissiness comes from. It's less her character being racist and more the writers not having her address and confront anything about the company, they didn't even pull an Asami Sato situation.
>>9891In the first season, before Blake reveals she's a faunus, Weiss said a lot of racist things about faunus like how they're terrorists, how she doesn't trust them and so on. Is it because she was born into a porky family that exploits faunus? Of course, and she eventually realizes she was wrong, etc. The point is she never apologized to Blake, you might say it's not necessary to do it because they're now bros 4 life, but I think even a small "Hey Blake, sorry for being a cunt" would have made a difference. Is it cheesy? Is it clichè? Maybe, but it'd fit the show.
> It's less her character being racist and more the writers not having her address and confront anything about the companyAnd in the latest season she used her company's unlimited power FOR GOOD. Checkmate commies!
>>9892>company's unlimited power FOR GOOD. Checkmate commies!based and wholesome
>>9899 >Hurr muh charity!!!Begone filthy capitalist
For real though I haven't actually watched this show so I won't judge too much but I think the racism against people with animal ears thing is one of the most hilariously stupid ideas I've ever seen in this kind of work
>>9900>Hurr muh charity!!!I didn't say charity
I said based and wholesome owo
>>9901it like da fire emblyums
>>9901It's even worse if you watch it.
I absolutely LOVE Salem's character design but I'd rather not watch the thing.
>>9903Didn't RWBY come out before Fire Emblem?
>>9912Never mind, I'm a dumbass, Nobody talked about Fire Emblem until recently when a lot of rule34 started popping up on Twitter in the past year, so I assumed it was new.
>>9908>The plot was obviously an afterthought.lol yes, they never properly explained dust.,
>>9919Semblance either. I also hate how when magic was introduced it was treated as this completely different thing in a world where everyone and and their dog can have any superpower under the sun.
>>9925Actually I liked that Magic was differentiated from Aura and Semblances. The latter seems to be pretty obvious to me; everyone has an aura, it's the same thing, a Semblance is a soul's individual ability, that distinguishes it's soul from others. Those who are similar (or maybe related) will have similar semblances.
>>9925That too, and some of them are simply absurd. For example, Qrow and Clover have a semblance that grants bad luck/good luck. This means they have a
reality altering semblance that's able to influence things to go in their disfavor/favor, which is, in theory, very powerful. Of course since nobody wants to see Qrow slipping on banana peels all the time, the semblance activates only when the writers think it's convenient which is extremely lazy.
>>9929I thought they said that Qrow's bad luck only affects people around him (thus him being a loner)
>>9700Yeah, he still occasionally makes Manwhore videos but his other stuff is pretty good too.
>>9948Kek, a blast to the past this is
>>9805>Miles and Kerry said themselves that they couldn't accurately write discrimination because they were white males and didn't know how to properly represent the oppression of minoritiesWhat, they couldn't pick up a fucking book?
>>9901> I think the racism against people with animal ears thing is one of the most hilariously stupid ideas I've ever seen in this kind of workI could see it being a thing in a world where you have these fucked up monsters running around. Even without that, if you've got capitalism, you're going to need a section of the workforce to hyper-exploit, ala the Irish, Africans, Jews, etc. I could see some rich, powerful people choosing the faunuses as that, making the argument that their animal features made them sub-human, and thus okay to exploit. Or if they had some kind of connection to the monsters (Hollows?), or were scapegoated as such.
But yeah, people not liking them just because they have cute anime ears or tails or whatever? No, not really. I mean, just look at Blake, a stereotypical kawaii-nekojin waifu. I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone's going to discriminate against that. Enslave and make into harem fodder? Sure. Make sit at the back of the bus? Not so much.
I've only seen the first season though because that's all that's dubbed in Japanese and I can't stand the English voices.
>>9951like I said later in the sentence, yes - it's literal laziness on part of them, as well as a convenient cop-out if someone dislikes some detail about it.
>>9952>I can't stand the English voices.Really? I get Sub is usually better than Dub, but I found the show to have reasonably good voicing, especially later as the team grew in experience.
>>9952Faunus are badly done in general: what's the point of having two sets of ears like Blake? Horns and tails are alright, but two additional ears? What's the point? I guess it was hard to hide Blake's real nature in S1 if she only had her cat ears, so now almost every faunus has both human and animal ears.
>>9956See
>>9913 >>9957 >2 pairs of earsYeah that is anime tier dumb stuff
>>9955The voice acting wasn't universally terrible but Ruby's was especially grating to me.
>>10027TBH Ruby didn't annoy me, but the side characters and mooks often had annoying voices, like the bad German accent mook from episode 1 of Season 1.
>>9957 Anyone remember back in 2014-15 people dicussed
>Why do faunus have only one trait from an animal, and why do they still have human ears if they already have cat or bunny ears? And the main ideas seemed to be something related to Grimm, to provide a legitimate motivation for why humans tend to mistreat them.
Humans tried to create better humans through genetic engineering. That created 3 distinct groups: humans, faunus and Grimm. Humans and faunus had souls/consciousness, and thus were deemed "acceptable". Grimm didn't, and were deemed "disposable". Unfortunately, the ruthlessness and numbers of the Grimm caused massive casualties among the humans and faunus, forcing them into a small number of cities and villages contained by natural barriers. Cut off from the rest of the world they once controlled, the humans and faunus became the remnant of the civilization they once were.
Of course the grimm origins are no longer a question in the fandom (although the Silver-Eye Grimm sorta dangled more idea bait for fans
Someone should draw Blake as Alunya and then we never talk about this show again
>>10463>draw Blake as AlunyaSounds cool, pic related
>then we never talk about this show again*angry cat noises*
>>9871>I keep watching it because it's like watching a trainwreck, but I honestly can't recommend it to anyone. There are so many dumb thingThe motto of the fandom is
"Love it, hate it, just don't tell us it's good" for a reason
When I watched new live Gyakuten Saiban episodes with /a/ on Japanese TV streams, they'd air RWBY before it.
Apparently, RWBY is massive in Japan.
>>10807>Ripoff amateur discount-anime from "Ze Vest" using mediocre CG is popular in Japan Surprising but not unexpected, lel.
>>10807>>10809That's funny, I've often been told that the reason shows like Teen Titans and Avatar weren't as big in Japan as they were over here is that the Japanese audience just saw them as inferior Western knockoffs.
I guess this proves RWBY IS the real deal.
>>10805I want Yang to spoon me every day. The rest can live
>>10821>Teen Titans and Avatar weren't as big in JapanATLA is by far superior to most single season Jap productions and so is Teen Titans. The latter is probably disliked because DC superheroes are not very popular in Japan, but ATLA IDK the reason for the lack of Jap popularity.
>>10835You're probably right but I do think Salem's design is cooler.
>>10858I prefer Kaguya and Hagoromo, Salem is pretty cool looking though.
I know that the fandom loves to rag on the show, but to be honest it's still a pretty good attempt for something made initially by amateurs. It at least tried to create a new world and have some clever ideas and concepts or play on old tropes. It tried to have stakes and didn't shy from having characters die or be maimed or turn traitor. This is among many reasons it's superior to ripoffs like High Guardian Spice.
That spectacle of failure is like someone took the most annoying parts of Ruby and the gang, hung that out on the same basic story frame as RWBY but in a DnD e5 setting and topped it off by smacking on some liberal idpol:
- Team of Girls (including a black-haired catgirl)
- Heavy Magic Focus (most of it being combat related)
- MCs travel to an academy to become the warriors of their dreams
- All main characters are specialized
- Protagonist's mother went "missing" on a mission
Seem familiar?
TV Tropes on HGS:
https://archive.ph/2PtUf The stupidest thing is that a much more original and much better animated Crunchyroll product called Onyx Equinox came out and despite being obscure has high ratings and an original plot that actually IS diverse, based on traditional Latin American mythology and culture, produced in joint with Mexican members.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_Equinox As an aside Oddity Illustrations did a video on improving the design of HGS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzF987ytWFs>>11233>High Guardian Spicenah, High Guardian Spice based :^)
>>11233I tried watching onyx equinox and it's mostly bad. The mc and supporting cast really suck. It's also hard to give a shit about the world ending because the world is pretty shitty anyway, so who cares about the little weiner mc or the asshole panther that's always bullying him or the two soccer playing chinlets that are also pieces of shit.
Some of the ideas are pretty metal but overall it's a wet fart.
>>11249Blake probably because cats tend to have litters of multiple kittens
>>11249none because they will all end up lesbos.
>>11275Have you watched High Guardian Spice?
>>11267 >copy-pasta corporate shilling >>11276Isn't her being an only child a disproval of that?
>>11275 I didn't think it's that bad, certainly better than some "muh demonology" shite I've seen animated in the West in recent years.
>>11277lel no.
>>11288>copy-pasta corporate shilling Nah, the show is just based :^)
(PLEASE STOP POSTING AND RESPONDING TO BAIT) >>9951>couldn't pick up a fucking book? >>>/edu/4212 Why People Don't Read Anymore:
https://archive.is/w1f30 >>11277Do futanari count as lesbians
>>11313That'd be a good question, but as far as I know, none of them are hermaphrodites. Hypothetically, given that they're technically mainly female, simply featuring additional male genitalia, it is probably closer to lesbian than straight, though a real penis over a fake kind of makes is uncertain.
What brought this question on anon?
>>11315Can you not derail? This is an RWBY thread, not a thread about "muh sex spectrum" based on some false equivalence to the political compass.
>>11313Yang does NOT have a penis ok
>>11318I think that this might be becuz of
>>10826>>11317 Sorry if I sound hostile, it's just this kind of stuff turns into idpol shitposting REALLY fast and I try to avoid that.
>>11314>What brought this question on anon?The equipment factors into the outcome of the mission. If they're all just equipped with vaginas, then presumably they'll only be able to get pregnant, but if there are penises involved then in theory they can get each other pregnant.
But if they're futa that identify as penis-averse lesbians then that's going to add further variables into who gets pregnant and has the most kids, whether they're giving birth to them, or injecting their progeny into other hosts.
It's all very technical.
>>11341>The equipment factors into the outcome of the mission. What mission anon?! The heck kind of hunting are you doing?
>if they're futa that identify as penis-averse lesbiansLMAO
>>11340>prove it NTA but kek
>>10826Comedy aside Bumblby ship is kinda cringe, and Season 7+ having hints of that relationship is kinda pathetic. I could see Yang being bisexual, she's a Rough and Tough Gal; in Volume 1 she literally made a comment during the sleepover (the night she met Blake) that she liked sleeping in the same room with the boys, and clearly her character loves to tease others, and sexual relationships are often a common source of teasing between friends and siblings, that's not a sign of sexual attraction. But Assuming Yang is a pendulum, Blake is an arrow, having obviously straight fantasies and attractions in early Seasons; she likes a trashy romance novel about Ninjas (Icha Icha?) and had a thing for Adam and later Sun.
But that doesn't stop shippers. Still they're not important, most people thought that Yang and Blake interactions as “Yang misses Blake so much.” in Volume 5. They held hands and Yang comforted her after the fight with Adam. Straight girls do this sometimes, it’s not a big deal. Of course they missed each other. They are best friends because they have been through a lot together. But then in Volume 7 you have subtle-unsubtle yuribaiting because Roosterteeth's management clearly thinks that they're not diverse enough and so incline to the shippers.
So the questions to have are "What’s wrong with two girls being best friends?" and "Why do some fans of the show focus more on the ships than the actual show itself?"
Anyhow this' been my TED talk, come again soon and have a good night.
>>11347>What mission anon?! B R E E D I N G
>>11377>Hungtress mission: Breeding kek, sounds hot.
Has anyone seen Gen:LOCK? The trailer is pretty dynamic but I've seen nothing about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen:LockLooking at Monstra and its design of a cachalot, I speculate that it may have been inspired by the HMS Leviathan from Scott Westerfeld's rather brilliant steampunk trilogy.
https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Monstra (pic 2)
https://leviathanscottwesterfeld.fandom.com/wiki/Leviathan (pic 1 from the book)
>>8807>>8846The hell actually happened to Machinima tho?
>>11500The "medium" or the company?
The medium probably just lost its novelty. I'm sure there's some of it out there that just isn't as popular. I think even RvB still has a decent following.
The company went through that usual stupidity where they got bought out by some huge conglomerate, merged and then terminated.
>>11559Kek
>>11503>The "medium" or the company? The Youtube Channel, I'm confued by th meaning of "medium".
>>11584Your life must be pretty empty and meaningless if you have to waste it rushing to defend a Chinese girl cartoon on the internet
>>11600 >[disingenuous snark]I'm not defending anything or anyone if you notice, I merely pointed out just how ridiculous it is to make a mountain out of a molehill over a single nonverbal post on social media, and be cancerous enough for this to pop up on my rather isolated self. I commented on it in this thread since it is on topic and I felt like it.
>>11584There's a whole ecosystem ranging from small accounts simply fishing for likes to content creators with actual money to make who are just desperate for any little slip-up like this that they can mercilessly dunk on until it's not even fun anymore. RWBY is such an established punching bag at this point that it just encourages stuff like this.
I do think the show is mostly terrible but you're right, this is pure autism. I mean, fuck's sake, it's a social media brand account. You're not even really dunking on anyone at that point.
>>11582>I'm confued by th meaning of "medium".Y'know, just the general act of using game engines to make videos.
The Youtube Channel was completely purged of content as part of the aforementioned merger and termination.
>>11644>general act of using game engines to make videosOooh ok, yeah. Thanks.
VOLUME 9 *should* come out this year.
https://twitter.com/JoeyBC/status/1430953189063471108 HERE IT IS! THE LONG-AWAITED RWBY CHIBI SUPERCUT!
https://mega.nz/file/M7wAkDhL#Qofz0mXsSTMEOzaJZxSXb0XxBqnOnK9u42dcaQIB9So Third RWBY Book is about Roman and Neo
https://booksamillion.com/p/Rwby/E-C-Myers/9781338760866 V8 Soundtrack:
https://mega.nz/folder/bgtWFJBZ#cZG_gW0RB7_XYr3Fql5tdw Also RWBY Japan is preparing an announcement for Feb 1 - (Apparently the translation they provided was fucky and the actual translation implies that whatever it is they’re specifically waiting till Feb 1st to announce) - I. E. The anniversary of Monty’s death.
>>13566
spoiler the nudes and lewds, thanks.
>>13566
how is she a tankie beside being russian themed?
>>13569The character is a typical LARP of the "COMRADE WE KILL THE CAPITALIST EXPLOITER" klyukva.
>>13566>loli shit
>>13568>barely visible nippleyes, the visible nipples in your cp that you masturbate too
>>14118>loli badOk and?
>the visible nipples in your cp that you masturbate too Nice projection closet-pedo-kun.
>>14118The fact that the first thing you thought of when you saw a non-serialized presentation of a perceived little girl is sex says alot about you. (Also what children are that developed? You would have to be thinking about children constantly to come to this conclusion, pedo).
>>14118moralfaggotry is just white noise at this point
>>14162Loli is shit IMO, but unless it's blatant porn it's a moot point on an imageboard.
>>13566>>14118LMFAO how is this loli you blatant newfag
>>14203They're drawings on a screen lmao
>>14224>>14236pedoshit is banned
>>14239its actually embarrassing that a mod deleted 2d porn of a girl with big tits and wide hips lmfaoooo
>>14239Yes, it is. But
A) It's fictional
B) the depiction is not a child
C) it's not blatant porn - that'd actually deserve to be deleto'd.
Polite Sage for off topic.
>>14239lol get a load of this authority worshipper
>>14255Nothing makes me think of "sexualization of minors" more than a drawing of a voluptuous curvy naked fictional character, man.
>>14265sry m80, no visual bush on her, so it's still pedophilic.
pedoscarefags are being racist against short women again
>>17528Ice Queendom was really fun. I liked the Nonbinary Inception Ghostbuster character and all the dream stuff.
Volume 9 when?
wow i posted this 2 years ago. I forgot i posted it already
>>17539the animation gets better later on, and i think the fighting choreography and animation even early on by monty is very impressive. Like look at the nevermore fight, or Yang vs Mercury, or perhaps take a gander at the red trailer.
>>18465Where will I be able to pirate it? It won't be on nyaa, right?
>>18475i thought the show was free, but they took it off of youtube, fuck rt
i will not be telling where to get it for free, sorry to say it. but i didn't know volume 9 would be coming so soon, so this will be interesting to watch it.
So I watched the first episode of vol. 9 and
it's going to be Alice in Wonderland??>>18487Thanks!
>>18508the animation was weird
>>18530 It's a new fairy tail, & hearing about fairy tales being real isn't the same as experiencing them. Magic alone isn't a fairy tale material, aura, semblances & dust make magic only slightly unbelievable compared to a crazy new world.
>>18508 Yes, it's at least a change of pace from the grimm-dark story Vol.8 concluded on.
>>17527 Me. At least some of the projects continue on to this day… dare I say… Remnants?
>>9958>>9957 >>10149 Now that I think of it, why don't the faunus have tails, all of them ought to, & it'd make them more separated from human visage without going full-furrytard.
On a tangent, have we ever gotten a more solid confirmation of the origin of Dust? Is it the souls/bodies/magic of the original humanity crystallized into being? Is it fragments of magic infused moon-rock from the shattered satellite?
>>18475>>18487 4chan pirates it
The pastebin:
https://rwbyg.com/ Volume 9 Episode 1 for example
https://mega.nz/file/7VQxQa5J#cxKK-crriY-T22nIThM0zXS148olvwEoHy86KH54bmsIn other news
New RWBY ANIME SERIES “RWBY: Ice Queendom” by studio SHAFT out now in both Sub and Dub.
RWBY x Justice League Crossover movie Part 1 coming April 25th:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fKpdtyoLJE >>9805The problem I have with Adam/White Fang/ Faunus potential isn't even necessarily with Adam and his death like some people say. Its the fact that he was supposed to be this super popular leader of this fraction of the Faunus and by the time he's dead, we don't really see that influence at all. Like especially in Atlas/Mantle, which is supposed to be the place where the Faunus are treated the worst, forced to take these dangerous mining jobs. You would think that Adam's ideology would be the most prevalent. But instead, we have Robyn Hill, which is basically a baby version of Adam." We will do bad things to get our way, but fundamentally, we strive to be non violent". And yes, Adam did get more sadist as the show went on but, that could play into the ideology no. Fundamentally, the difference between Adam and Robyn is that Robyn uses violence as a last resort while Adam, its a tool. So it would have been interesting if Blake and the rest had to deal with the fact that "hey, Adam may be gone but his ideas aren't and are in fact super fucking popular". And maybe theres a radical faction within Mantel called the Adamist or Blood Fang, and they go around basically doing terrorism while wearing grimm masks like Adam. The problem I think ultimately, is they were just all out of juice in the Faunus department. You already had to deal with Faunus shit basically from Vol 4-5 and then Adam shit in Vol 6, which was barebones lets be honest, he "showed up" to scare Blake and Yang a few times and then the final confrontations and then death. They had to deal with all that, and maybe redoing Faunus shit would have been seen them retreading ground. Which is why they don't really acknowledge it, just refering it all as "Mantle", without specifying that Faunus probably make up a good chunk and the most shit on
>>18762Sorry Yang is too busy making sure that everyone can understand that the authors have no spine and made the most boring ship canon due to fan pressure. No time for her little sister.
>>18762Ice Queendom was pretty good. B+
>>18765 >Yang is too busy making sure that everyone can understand that the authors have no spine and made the most boring ship canon due to fan pressure.Ah Yuribaiting, fucking up yet another series by making characters toxically OOC to their original selves, by making friendships horny to the point of ignoring everything/one else, all for the sake of the schlick.
The comics get even worse.
>>18770>Ice Queendom Every time I read/hear that, all I can think of is femdom fetish featuring Weiss.
As a side note Vol.9 is such a breath of fresh air compared to the last 3 seasons. It feel like the series originally did.
>>18765 It's kinda disappointing that most fanfiction treats Yang better than the actual show at this point. FFS Yang & Weiss have better chemistry, because they, at least, compliment one another.
Forgot to add that the Novels just massacre the characters as characters.
>>18771The Penny x Ruby stuff in Chibi was adorable though.
Blake and Yang get the cuddles while Ruby, Weiss and Jaune get the struggles.
>>18773 Chibi is playful fun, so yeah.
>>18774 >Blake and Yang get the cuddles while Ruby, Weiss and Jaune get the struggles. Kek
Rooster-teeth has announced a new logo for its 20th… it's shit. looks like a bad ripoff of the Kellogg's cereal logo. The trend of aggressive oversimplification of logos using basic shapes, no shading and 2-3 colors pisses me off as a graphic designer, the blue text on red background. Yet another reason for Monty to turn over in the grave.
>Last year, Rooster Teeth approached Austin-based creative agency Guerilla Suit to create a new visual brand identity that was “as dynamic, playful and unconventional” as the organization itself https://archive.is/E4lFg Complexity watered down past simplicity, real representative of the current company, as if the Warner Bros meddling isn't enough.
The original logo goes back to RvB & the cockbite gag, thus the Rooster (Cock) & chattering teeth (bite + a comedic prank item).
https://rvb.fandom.com/wiki/Cockbite The logo isn't too complex or too simple, it's just right. But with the original cadre leaving this former indie studio it's become the same as any other corp, shitty modern logo criteria included.
>>18775I guess the idea is that the Ever After responds to how people feel, but it still feels a bit too cruel that it offers free couple's therapy to some while it keeps reminding others of their failures and losses…
The paper pleasers were cute.
>>18809 It's another (the 5th) 'chapter' about character trauma. (SLIGHT SPOILERS): Basically the issue at hand is the same as in the pics posted in
>>18762 &
>>18796 Thing is, is this PTSD should have come to head way earlier than Volume 9, at least for Ruby. The entire group keeps forgetting that in spite of being an accomplished fighter… she's 2 years younger than any of them & honestly just a kid that has gone through the wringer emotionally, yet has had to man-up to support her friends every time they suffer, & they all seem to forget that she's suffering too. Honestly ever since Volume 3 the series has felt like it's become the "Break Ruby's Soul" show, with her positive attitude an initial naïve innocence being brutally stamped on over & over again with little hope to look forward to. It's honestly depressing.
>>18817After all they have been through, I don't think that two years matter that much. The responsibility of being the leader is way worse. The others are not holding up much better either, Jaune had his own meltdown and to me it seems like Weiss is close to her limit too. Blake and Yang… I guess they cope by distracting themselves with each other.
>>18817i feel like the writers of this volume are the same types of people who think evil super man is the greatest thing since sliced bread
>>18822>I don't think that two years matter that much It does in the context of maturity, schooling, enjoyment of childhood etc. Ruby is not only engaged in battles that she shouldn't need to be engaging in until she's 4 years older (than current), but is also responsible in leading a battle team of older girls that are supposed to be more mature during a bunch of worst-case scenarios. Remembering my own teens, the mental change from 15-16 to 17-18 can be significant.
>The others are not holding up much better eitherTrue
- Jaune: He's clearly gone off the deep end because of his guilt over Penny & Pyrrha. But for him it's been a lot longer since his failures.
- Weiss: She honestly seems to be the closest to fine, the lack of close family bonds seems to have made the SDC's fall not so impactful as it ought to be. Its the reason that she's been more of a sister to Ruby than Yang in recent episodes.
- Blake n' Yang: These 2 are honestly the least mature of the group, it's irritating to see them behave like a poor parody of a couple, with Blake trying to run from every hard situation, & Yang throwing herself into them, dragging the team into this crappy teen drama. RT should have kept the idea of team RWBY being about sisterhood and friendship & not attempted this terrible ship. But nah, Yang & Blake kill a bovine together so apparently they're married in all but paper.
However the issue is that the other characters recognize & support the other… except for Ruby; she's just getting ignored, then after breaking down, treated like SHE'S the inconsiderate one. Except even in her own rant, Ruby admits everyone else's issues, she just wants some support of her own this time. After all for Ruby (unlike Jaune) it's been barely 1 week since the bomb plot, the fall of Atlas, Penny's second (likely permanent) death & the failure of another Hail Mary plan against Cinder/Salem, all under her presumed leadership. Adult military commanders have shot themselves in shame over the guilt of such failures, it's little wonder a girl like Ruby is falling apart.
>>18823 Speaking of Superman, There's a crossover with DC that people are going apeshit over, mostly because Blake tells batman not to wok alone & to stop being negative. She's not incorrect… except for this coming from Blake. & then right after Yang inserts some horny comment… that makes no sense & isn't even a pun FFS.
Funniest thing is that the TMNT x Batman movie had the same situation, one loner (Raphael) telling another loner (Batman) to not abandon everyone to do the impossible by yourself. See, Raph used himself as an example and admitted that fighting alone isn’t always the right option; sometimes you need a team (a major theme of RWBY).
The panel makes it seem like Blake is just dunking on him without referring to herself as an example. If she mentioned how she ran away cause she figured fighting the White Fang gang alone was the only way only to realize its too much and she needed trusted help, this interaction would’ve worked a lot better.
Also the audacity of this coming from Blake who fled Beacon after her teammate had her arm cut off by her ex. If she mentioned that and realized how fucked up it was to abandon them, it would’ve made Blake a solid character who learned from her mistakes and is trying to tell Batman he can’t just solo his problems.
>>18836>my charitable interpretation is that the sudden discovery of their mutual attraction is how they cope and try to distract themselvesExtremely charitable for poor ship writing. It seems to be a recent trend in lesbian ships - 2 girl characters that have no sexual chemistry are mashed into a relationship that also alienates their friends & family in its toxicity. KorrAsami is an earlier example.
They've been "mutually attracted" for some time before Volume 9 almost forcibly so to the point that they no longer resemble themselves, they're like a crappy imitation of Raven & Tai, except Raven & Tai's behaviors had real reasons (fear of Salem & Ozpin's manipulations for Raven, the loss of Summer soon after Raven left for Tai).
>WeissYeah that's what I mean, she's mature enough (both in age & mentally) to not be out of control, but as she isn't the official leader making the decisions, she's not under that pressure.
>>18835>that makes no sense & isn't even a pun FFSSometimes it's arousing to get into a confrontation with someone you find attractive. She's jealous because she wants to be on the receiving end of that belligerent sexual tension.
>>18839>Sometimes it's arousing to get into a confrontation with someone you find attractive Not in the context of the scene, nor Yang's character (originally), it's just extremely out of place. At this point Yang is just "Blake's Simp" instead of the "cool party girl"
>she wants to be on the receiving end of that belligerent sexual tension. Ah yes, the sexual tension of a hypocrite hissing angrily at someone for being a loner… then stalking off.
>>18835Maybe I misremember but I don't think Blake was trying to solve her problems alone, she was just running from them.
>>18839Or maybe she likes the conflict because she's the Yang that wants to fight?
>>18842>I don't think Blake was trying to solve her problems alone, she was just running from them. After she got outed as a former White Fang member & faunus, she goes out to take on the White Fang under Torchwick of theirs basically alone, Sun tries to tag along and the rest of her team go after her, but only because she leaves them behind to begin with. Then after Adam literally disarms Yang, she runs off to do… something.
>she likes the conflict because she's the Yang that wants to fight If that were the case then she ought to have hooked up with Weisscream.
>>18840>Not in the context of the scene,Arousal by proxy.
I'm so hyped for the next episode I can barely contain myself
>>9907> it doesn't make sense that she has human minions Why not? The Grimm aren't really sentient, even in a true animal sense, & although she controls them & can see through them, she can't finely manipulate them on a mas scale, not to mention it takes time. Besides human agents are useful for infiltration & their Aura/Semblances let them fight better than most Grimm of similar size.
Besides, ancient & intelligent she may be, but she still needs people like Watts to handle technology. Tyrian, Hazel & later Mercury are her mad dogs to cause chaos.
>>18777Imagine being a corporate branding consultant and getting paid $50k to just steal some logo off the internet and call it a day. Reminds me of the Street Fighter logo and the shitttastic London Olympics logo that the government paid like £200m for.
>>9908>the nonexistent filler in the first 2 I disagree. Vol 1 & 2 introduced us to the initial setting & got the team to open up to each other & the audience, bonding as they did, while preparing future plot points. Monty had an entire Bible of ideas for many volumes that is supposedly being followed, although I'm of the belief that the Bible was just his base ideas, since I'm sure he hadn't expected to die before he could write them out.
Volume 3 began the payoff of the buildup in the first 2 Volumes, establishing the stakes & essentially being the come-of-age moment for the team in
The Fall of Beacon. But after they just undermined it, failed to pick up properly, not paying off hints or concepts, etc. It only got worse after. The base story is functional, but the problems that arise can be boiled down to
A) PIS - Plot induced Stupidity
B) CIS - Character-Induced Stupidity
C) WIS - Writer Induced Stupidity
D) various combinations of the above
Thus Atlas' Military is both a laughably liberal portrayal of dictatorship, while also being incompetent for some reason & the White Fang stop existing after Adam is sacrificed on the altar of Bumbleby.
>>18875it could be cool in some ways but i'm concerned the fight choreography that monty shane and some others did would be lost in the process
so i'd much prefer leaving them as they are now.
even if the fights are better now you can tell that its a different style and feel than the first two volumes
>>18875I think the amateurish animation is disarming. People already love to hate RWBY, if it actually looked good their expectations would be naturally higher and it would be a disaster.
Neo was cute in Torchwick's arms.
>>18876 What I mean is to replicate the scenes exactly a they are, but minus the clipping & odd shading + better facial details/movement & background detail. No choreographical changes.
>>18879 >I think the amateurish animation is disarming.That's fair, it has its rough charm
>>18777Why didn't they just get a cartoonist to draw a unique rooster character with a big toothy grin? That's the obvious way to go.
>>18884 >Why didn't they just get a cartoonist to draw a unique rooster character with a big toothy grinI really don't know.
Maybe they thought they'd be a more serious looking company if they abandoned the humoristic name play?
>>18887>>18857 Embed is a spoiler.
That last episode is pure trauma, Jesus Christ. Poor Ruby is going to have her spirit broken by the end of this if it continues. Neo's a fucking psychopath
she got what she deserves. Little is the only joy in this episode
Little's end was heartbreaking.
This kinda reminds me of an anti-Naruto - the protagonist that makes promises to protect the people they care for… but keeps failing to keep those promises.
A really good analysis of the ep by Phoenix/Night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ak7e-ZfxP4 >>18889>She just committed suicide?It's not clear about what ascension implies - is Jaune correct about the ascended being truly reincarnated (memories gone) or are there specific circumstances? I very much doubt that the MAIN, TITULAR character is going to die like that.
>>18890Of course we as viewers doubt it but she still drank it with the assumption that this is what will happen, so it is at least
attempted suicide, and the others will also understand it as such.
>>18891>the others will also understand it as such Kinda ironic, given the platitudes they kept saying abut it being 'just' rebirth & that meant Jaune could be wrong about the tree being death. But yeah it is in a sense Ruby's
attempt to become 'an hero' Maybe she'll meet Little there.
>>18838>a recent trend in lesbian ships - 2 girl characters that have no sexual chemistry are mashed into a relationship that also alienates their friends & family in its toxicity. Honestly thinking about it, the 2 "popular" yuri ships are Yang/Blake & Ruby/Weiss. But neither of those are good ships in terms of writing of characters. Yang/Blake is like every dysfunctional lesbian relationship, & the other 2 are clearly true friends. Yang had chemistry with the Schnee princess, one a brash, unfiltered rough n' tumble girl, the other a hard-ass perfectionist. Yang smoothed Weiss' sharp edges with he bluntness & penchant for humor, easily ignoring the pale girls prickly nature. If you HAD to have a dynamic that isn't pure friendship, those 2 are the ones that functioned in a Yin Yang sort of way. Instead Blake had her character become this strangely submissive person that go against her supposed character progress.
Instead we get generic bad teen drama #435
Funniest part is the Jaune reaction the writers inserted; Jaune:
"Feels like I've been waiting forever for that!"Since when has Jaune talked to Blake or Yang for more than a minute? When has Jaune been close to either of these two, let alone together? Jaune's closest connection to someone in RWBY is Ruby, hell, he knows her so well that her reaction to him giving her Crescent Rose, stops his angry rant because he can see (better than anyone else apparently) that Ruby is deeply hurt. This is like if I went back to my highschool in 20 years, saw two of my sister’s friends kissing and I was like "I've been waiting forever for that!"
>>18903they squandered Sienna so bad.
>>18904 Yeah utterly wasted
like a lot of characters in the show An actually morally gray figure whom even Ghira can't bring himself to condemn, only respectfully disagree with, and a "villain" who honestly raises a valid point whether you like her methods or not. She was great, unfortunately, she wasn't what the plot needed by the time she showed up, so she got the faunus version of Et Tu Brute.
>>18904>>18907I don't get it, what's wrong with having minor characters that only appear for moments?
>>18910>hat's wrong with having minor characters that only appear for moments? Nothing. But Sienna isn't (in the actual world) a minor character. She's an extreme counterpart to Ghira, & one of the leaders of the Faunus, & THE leader of the White Fang. Her plotline is just nixed because, outside of Monty's concept of her character the rest of CRWBY just made her a throwaway to toss aside, because they didn't feel like finishing the potential.
She should have been a key into letting us see a new and morally grey side to the WF arc (thus the posts ITT talking about Adam & the Faunus being poorly implemented). Otherwise what is Blake even trying to save? If all we see are extremists; what have we been shown that indicates there is even anything there other then a terrorist organization filled with unrepentant bad guys. Introducing a character for the first time that has serious prior impact and ties to the proper story (In this case Sienna does, being the leader of the White Fang) only to have them talk for a few minutes then have an already bad character kill them to speed along the story without any build-up is the definition of lazy writing. Sienna wasn't Tuskon, a simple named informant that is offed to set the tone for Emerald and Mercury, who were also being introduced at the same time. She was the declared leader of the Fang that - with no real explanation (aside from being told Adam is popular) - has everyone, including her own personal guards turn on her, and then die like fodder, despite being an experienced fighter.
>>18912It's a story, not a documentary. Just because she's important in the world does not mean that she has to be important in the story too.
>>18915Except its important to the story - it's like having Ozpin or Ironwood barely get any screentime then killed off by their underlings casually instead - y'know - an actual fight. Like I said, it's lazy, poor writing that ended up going nowhere, even though the Fang are literally one of the important players in the plot, but instead just got shunted out.
>>18918Her only relevance was that there had to be someone to coup, it could have been a dark silhouette from volume one, it wouldn't have mattered. Ozpin and Ironwood are actually relevant to the plot, she was not. It's a pretty silly thing to be upset about. If you want to see more of her I'm sure you know where to find the porn.
>>18919>Her only relevance was that there had to be someone to coup Yeah no, this right here is exactly the mindset the writers had & is a perfect example of crap planning & ignoring your worldbuilding & basic good story telling.
> it could have been a dark silhouette from volume oneIf that had happened, it'd still be better than introducing a character in flesh to then kill them off. It's inane.
>you know where to find the porn Relying on porn & fanfics to tell a better story proves my point.
> Ozpin and Ironwood are actually relevant to the plot, she was not Yes, she is, because SHE is the Fang's leader who replaced Ghira as a radical, but one that balanced it for the self-interest of the movement, unlike Adam's bloodthirsty extremism. Her role in the story gets cut off & in turn makes the White Fang irrelevant - one of the main antagonists of the story beheaded & made into fodder. FFS this literally provides an entire avenue of factional conflict in the Fang that just gets left behind, even though the faunus aren't just going to vanish from the storyline.
This is crap writing, & has little to no defense.
A BIT off topic, but since HGS sort of appeared ITT (& in /co/'s RWBY threads) I thought I'd mention that the character Parsley (I had to look the name up) - the blonde, no-nonsense hammer-carrying dwarf feels like a combination of Nora Valkyrie & Jaune Arc.
- Blonde, & lots of siblings like Jaune.
- Hammer user, perky & no-nonsense (& short) like Nora.
Leads me to think that at least one of the people on HGS is a RWBY fan.
Also an actual review of HGS from a person that tried to give it a chance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefTINTQDFk&ab_channel=EquesTron>>18953I miss Nora I liked her character before she turned all emo.
what would it take to really fix rwby? just replacing the hack fraud pedophiles that call themselves its writers?
>>18961At this point? Nothing. The story would have to get overhauled completely to address all the characters and plotlines they fucked up/dropped.
>>18961 In the past? Monty Oum not dying. Not saying it would be perfect, but the guy knew what he was doing & the general direction to take things (most concepts, plotlines & ideas in the series are his, but the further from Vol 2/3 you go, the less development had been given to them & the more freedom to write for CRWBY). RWBY as a series is influenced by Shonen anime & Final Fantasy, the latter in part because of Oum's enjoyment of it, & hi use of characters like Tifa in Dead Fantasy. In the shonen aspect (for example) Jaune particularly was a Cloud inspiration.
https://old.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/8gk9my/jaune_is_partly_inspired_by_cloud_strife_from_ff7/ https://megashadowdragon.tumblr.com/post/140120795062/jaune-is-partly-based-off-cloud-strifeAnd although Ruby's character & the teams make up is more like various Naruto characters (originally), the story itself has no concrete goals at the start; Ruby is not looking to become Pirate King, Hokage or reconstruct the Shikon jewel. Like Bleach* the story lacks a stated end goal the main character seeks to achieve from the start, other than a vague sense of being a hero that saves people
something that's getting dismantled in Vol 9 thus the story & characters meander, & if the original author isn't there to point the direction… it's likely not going to be very good
At this point like
>>18975 says, nothing can really save the series short of maybe just going full memelord.
(*)Hell if you think about it the Grimm are like the Kingdom Hearts' Heartless or Bleach's Hollows. After The Hound I always expected some Grimm-human hybrids like you see in fanfiction like an Arrancar or Nobodies group.
>>18961let Ruby say "fuck"
>>18975Maybe that's what they should do then, just give this one as good a finale as they can, then start working on a sequel/spinoff series, 2wby. Cut their losses, keep what worked, dump what didn't, and hire some actual writers that know what they're doing.
>>18993That's just RWBY Chibi.
Why is it so short I can't wait another week
>>18892Well, it looks like Ruby's tea party did not bother them a bit.
Since we saw the herbalist turn beautiful, does that mean that Ruby will come back looking like Weiss?
Actually, my prediction is that Ruby will come back stronger and better but is still easily defeated by Neko (a portmanteau of Neo and Neko (nihongo for cat), get it?), but when the cat leaves Neo's body to enter Ruby's, leaving Neo to regain consciousness and notice that Ruby is still alive, so she tries to finish the job, but the cat would not like that and tries to stop her before she can enter Ruby and they fight to death while the gang sneak home behind their backs.
>>19029>Ruby will come back looking like WeissI'm not sure I follow the logic. Is the implication here that Ruby is ugly?
>Neko (a portmanteau of Neo and Neko (nihongo for cat), get it?)I prefer NeoPet. Honestly I hope that the cat makes it to Remnant just to team up with Salem in his quest to pursue the Brother Gods.
>the cat leaves Neo's body to enter Ruby'sThere's no reason for that, he just needs a
Remnant body to possess Ruby had been a target for her broken psyche. After
Ascension she's not even going to be herself (some people are claiming she'll become Summer, though that's nonsense) she's not going to be broken anymore, so CopyCat isn't going to be able to do anything.
>they fight to deathThat's so pointless
Neo('s ego) is all but functionally dead as it is, the hell is the point of BFRing the character AGAIN?
I'm thinking Little is going to ascend to
fuck that kill was brutal >>19030Did you miss the last episode?
The cat can't return in Neo's body because Neo has nothing to return for. It wants Ruby again. Whether ascended Ruby will work or if it has some way to stop ascension is another thing… By last I mean the latest, episode 9.
>>19032>The cat can't return in Neo's body because Neo has nothing to return for.Huh, but the cat also can't
possess someone unwilling/unable to spiritually resist though, thus the fixation on Ruby & later taking of Neo. Making the cat just a Vol9 character is going to be pretty lame if they have that. Also if Neo
has nothing to return for, & has essentially a shattered ego, then why would she fight the cat after it possibly releases her? It'd be strange but more likely Jaune might save Neo.
>>19033 Yeah I figured.
>>18762 RWBY Arrowfell Trailer (Out Now):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBtc7gWpOHE >>19038>If she saw that Ruby returned, her revenge failed and maybe her will to kill could return too. That's like Sasuke seeing Itachi arise again & trying to have revenge AGAIN. The entire point is that she's got nothing left & her 'revenge' was just an excuse to keep going, having achieved it there's nothing left.
>the possessed person regains control over their body just for a short second but at the decisive moment, saving the heroes by giving them time to get away or something. It would be a way to make Neo help them without actually helping them, a way to "redeem" her without having to actually change her ways. I guess, but I'm not holding my breath
Spoiler prediction:
The Summer Rose bait at the end of ep9 is going to be a bait n switch; Ruby has the thing Naruto does with Kushina in the seal - talking to her mother's spirit before overcoming herself - then finding her strength to be reborn as a better self. Jaune, because of him being the buttmonkey of CRWBY, is going to probably be a hero one last time, taking a killing blow or something to let the rest of RWBY leave the EverAfter. Hopefully Ruby's catharsis is going to be a la Gurren Lagan "Be the best version of yourself that you can be".
>>18846>Still no official RvB x RWBY crossoverFuck it
[RWBY/RvB] - Infiltration (GMod Machinima)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jlc7Y6LwPY RT Recap - The Animated Recap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ica7WmGc_sc >>18925>>18912>>18907>>18903 Nobody seems to mention how shes a Bengal Tiger Faunus with a hindu pottu and a Muslim last name. It's real organic representation, as she is a radical civil rights activist who takes action, and comes from a mixed religious/cultural reference (a combination of Bengali, Hindu, and Islam) and encompasses the "war borne from love and necessity" motif that Indians are known for and are proud of. Khan specifically means "ruler", and the concept is a reference to Shere Khan from The Junglebook, and the fact she's based off the jungle book only strengthens her being representative of India, because as far as I'm aware she's the only Indian character in the show.
She's the Boba Fett of RWBY; Awesome character idea SUPPOSED to be a background character. Yet the fans love her a lot more than what was expected. If she WERE to be alive, then we would've gotten a lot more of her
>>19049I want to breed the cat
>>19064 Everyone does anon.
>>1888712 hours to go to Episode 10 of Vol-9, possibly the last Volume.
>>18846 >Justice League x RWBY: Super Heroes and Huntsmen Part One>Part 1Ohohoho
Enjoy on soap2day(dot)to
Best Jaune x Jess moments
https://litter.catbox.moe/d3175v.mp4 >>19049I thought her tits were a lot bigger than they are.
>>19072>I thought her tits were a lot bigger than they are.Porn does that to characters.
>>19071 I REALLY enjoyed this, even if its not perfect.
Since they age down the super-heroes when they 'go to remnant' are they gonna age up RWBY+JNR when they go to the DC comics verse for Part 2?
>>19071Your link expired.
It's over
>>19074Just watch the movie on soap, it was a temporary 870+Mb file.
Also all Volumes
https://9anime.to/watch/rwby.r93o/ep-2>>19076 Shut up, Volume 10 IS going to happen
it has to, 10 fucking years can't end like this >>19074>>19088https://litter.catbox.moe/r4iud2.mp4 The Yang/Blake parts of the movie were objectively Ok, if you ignore the context of the actual series… so like most fanfic depictions of ships.
Ren, Nora & Cyborg got memed to hell though, even if its overblown
>>19096Didn't the Green Lantern used to be a black man?
>>19100There are several green lanterns, one of them a black man
>>19100 The original from the comics is Hal Jordan, but later came other human Green Lanterns, including the black man Jon Stewart, that you refer to. Jessica Cruz is more recent, latina if I recall correctly. Kinda disliked because of her character being poorly written, but this movie certainly makes up for it, making her a qt tomboy. The short-hair with green highlights i also a better look than her usual long-hair, like Season 1 Detective Beckett from Castle.
>>19073>Since they age down the super-heroes when they 'go to remnant' are they gonna age up RWBY+JNR when they go to the DC comics verse for Part 2? Leaks confirm, pic rel
OK someone explain to me about the last episode, why did seeing her mom lie fix Ruby? Did she want to become her mom that much? I mean I know she was an influence but I wouldn't have been able to tell that this was her issue.
>>19103 I'm still as confused as you, but its generally supposed to be that Ruby is no longer using her mother as the benchmark of unassailable honesty & heroism as she has before, & so accepted herself for being who she is.
Do people here only like RWBY because of the porn?
>>19153 It's not that simple. I mean yeah porn is an appeal, but to be honest RWBY is something that originates from old-school machinima & internet in general. A passion project of a small group of people that became something fairly popular. It's a mess of a story but still sucks you in if you get on the ride. The memes, the potential of the worldbuilding, the varied characters are all attractive for people, even if its not always executed well in Canon.
TL;DR: It's fun to watch, imperfections and all.
>>19071>soap2day(dot)toMega
https://mega.nz/folder/nPY30KYC#7vN9Cn0Xv2qD1ijKxdKOYQ Spoilers for Vol 9 Ep10!
So this most recent volume confirms that the Brothers were in fact second generation gods and the Tree was the Primordial (albeit, indifferent) deity of the RWBY-verse. The Dragons are basically Demiurges who keeps creating worlds and fill it with 'people' only for their works to slowly degrade and fail to function.
Remnant (Definition: a part or quantity that is left after the greater part has been used, removed, or destroyed.) is itself a case study in this. Humanity was once capable to cast magic, but after rebelling against their creators each individual was left with a single spell, called a Semblance (Definition: the outward appearance or apparent form of something, especially when the reality is different.).
The Blacksmith makes it clear the door between worlds was left open for the Brothers to return, but they clearly haven't. So they aren't in the Everafter and they aren't in Remnant. They are out in the cosmos, once again trying to build world that won't break.
Maybe it's a never ending daisy chain of universes that are empty or abandoned, that get occupied by the Brothers, structured after their whims or experimental desires and either destroyed or abandoned as they move on to the next.
Honestly I preferred that the Ever After be another of their creations rather than the Brothers' origin.
>>19166>Some ESLWhy are native speakers like this?
>>19169>Offended over an acronym>on a Korean Nuclear Energy Forum Go back.
>>19252what is it. I've only seen the hbomberguy video.
>>19255Yes, and it's lame. She's been building up her repository for who knows how long and then she uses it up in a minute without even winning the battle. They act like it's some ultimate trump card that can only be used in dire situations but when it is actually used it's a huge disappointment.
>>19256>it's lameNo, you're just a killjoy
>She's been building up her repository for who knows how long and then she uses it up You realize that she utilizes like maybe half a dozen photos for hardlights right? A Camera holds a lot more than that & she's been collecting all year, from all sorts of students.
>act like it's some ultimate trump card No merely that its not something to use pointlessly
>without even winning the battle She singlehandedly cut apart 2 paladins that took all of Team RWBY + Sun & Neptune to take out. You know, the insane warmachines built to fight armies? I'm sorry it wasn't DBZ power levels enough for you.
>>19267Okay I take it back but only because she's really cute in that picture.
>>18914>literal plot contrivance.pngPSA: You are now being made aware that Blake and Yang being romantic was a literal product of the "Suspension Bridge Effect". In what is quite possibly the most on the nose and blunt manner, I've seen. It's as though MKEK read about it and thought it had to unironically and absolutely be a suspended bridge in order to work. The suspension bridge effect is a scientific and psychological term used to describe a biological reaction in our psychology when we are under pressure. When we experience external stimulus that ignites our adrenal response, it plays a strange role in our minds and interpreting our environment.
The Suspension Bridge Effect is also known as the “misattribution of arousal.” It’s a phenomenon stating that something looks better when under a pressure environment, like standing on a suspension bridge.
"You spent 5 minutes with an animal on a rickety bridge and now you've convinced yourself it's true love" - Ruby "The Gaybasher" Rose >>>/AKM/3230Fuck, it's like a black hole.
Anyway, Ruby Rose would be bananas for Mimi-Sentry. She'd be nerding out over her like nobodies business.
>>19719It's not really cel-shaded CG, that wold be more the Spiderverse movie, this is just how it looks in Poser.
Also post links to videos, Embed dies all the time here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7D7OTfa-a4 >>19723>It's not really cel-shaded CGAre you referring to RWBY or Pootis Engage? If the latter then of course not, it's just a demonstration of proper 2D-imitating animation techniques. When it comes to RWBY, the later seasons are cel-shaded while the first seasons don't even have proper lighting. Which is worse actually. Like, the quality of lighting, textures and models leaves much to be desired.
>>19723>Also post links to videos, Embed dies all the time hereI wouldn't advice posting direct YouTube links instead of Invidious ones.
>>19724 RWBY is almost literally taking Video Game graphics and turning it into an anime. It's sort of the reverse of what a lot of the 3D Playstation games were doing for anime, to make them into video games.
>the first seasons don't even have proper lightingYes, because of the constraints of Poser.
>Which is worse actually To each their own, it's janky, yes, but considering that it's a bunch of people in the early 2010s using free software to make an indie project for fun, it's decent work, far above the likes of many SFM videos being made at the time. It has a flawed charm to it. Later they switched to Maya from V4 onward and have been improving animation and art quality ever since. The main thing about RWBY that attracted people wasn't how high res the animation was, it was the concept of Cute Girls Fighting and the amazing choreography of Monty Oum in a brand new, non-manga based animated series.
Also
>Guilty Gear XrdLMAO
>>19725 Just use adblock for youtube, they don't get monetization and as for tracking, that's kind of inane, I doubt the NSA is going to charge you for watching TF2 shitposts.
>>19726>To each their ownYes. I'm very picky when it comes to animation quality.
>using free softwareMore like "giveaway software" (I hate the term "free software" with a burning passion, thanks, RMS).
>LMAOHave an issue with GGXrd? It set the standard of animation in cel-shaded games and animation, no matter if it's actually a good game or not. I personally never played it (I suck at fighting games).
>Just use adblock for youtubeAnyone who doesn't have some surveillance blocking solution set up is either a noob, a self-righteous useful idiot or a retard. That said, it is nice to help the noobs and decrease the amount of identifiable traffic going to YouTube, as well as to prevent others from running YouTube's proprietary JS code or logging into their Google accounts by accident.
>>19727 (cont.)
Also, the adblocker should be enabled all the time, not just for YouTube. It's way more essential than having a freaking antivirus, if you don't have it enabled 24/7 then WTF are you even doing on the Internet? It's a basic privacy and security measure. Privacy and Security 101.
P.S.: Why doesn't the embed field get automatically cleaned up after sending a reply? This site, SMH.
>>19727>I'm very picky when it comes to animation quality. You must not have grown up with the 90s early CG animation. I think RWBY improved a lot after V5 in the animation aspect, and prior to that there is at least a valid reason for the animation problems. I was having fun watching the series to nitpick on animation issues.
>Have an issue with GGXrd Not really, it's a private joke.
>Anyone who doesn't have some surveillance blocking solution set up is either a noob, a self-righteous useful idiot or a retard No shit.
>Why doesn't the embed field get automatically cleaned up after sending a reply? Dunno, that's a question for
>>>/tech/ As would be a question about the fuck ups with Embed errors.
>>19737>Dunno, that's a question for >>>/tech/It would be a question for
>>>/meta/, not /tech/.
>>19737>You must not have grown up with the 90s early CG animationYes but I hate nostalgia in general, it wouldn't matter either way.
>>19745>Hate nostalgiaOh you youngsters, give it a decade.
>>19743 Ruby and Penny are friends you sick fuck.
I watched this show when it was on youtube for a while. It was like I wanted to hurt myself. It was so bad. The animation was poor. The voice acting was the worst of Americanizing weeb shit. The writing was god awful. The fight scenes were cool at first (duh, it was animated by the dead guy known for fight scenes) but no one ever died. All the episodes were like one scene long.
I can't think of anything else I'd watch if I wanted to cause myself more pain.
Why is anyone here a fan of this? Why does this thread have so many posts? Is there anyone that watches this show for any reason other than they hate themselves?
>>19766a friend showed me one scene of rwby to demonstrate good action scenes and I was like… really? it's just typical anime where they spend the whole time talking at each other. this is my definition of a good action scene
but people like what they like so no hate, just wish more grounded action was more common
>>19766 >nobody dies >RWBY https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Deaths Ok LOL
>I can't think of anything else I'd watch if I wanted to cause myself more pain. Melodramatic rubbish
>The voice acting was the worst of Americanizing weeb shit. <An amateur group of people making youtube animations aren't up to the standard of full blown studios, who'd have thunk!Yeah this post is just bait. Stay mad
>>19767>just typical anime where they spend the whole time talking at each other. <I saw one scene so I know the showUh, no. The vast majority of fights in RWBY have limited talking. What scene did your friend show you?
>my definition of a good action scene >Children of men1) It's an animated fantasy show it being super realistic is counter to the point, your complaint makes more sense in regards to something like Weiss Kreuz Eternal, where they use CQC, even when it makes more sense to use firearms, and half the conflicts/deaths wouldn't happen if the main characters fought realistically.
2) That's not typically what is meant by "action", yes it is technically an action scene, but it's not a fight scene, or even a proper firefight by the main characters, but more like a "person in a chaotic scenario" type situation. There's some Chinese military films that actually are realistic action, but that's a different matter entirely. It's not really fair to compare what is essentially a martial arts + swords + guns + "magic" fighting series to a grounded realistic fight, it's like comparing a fight from ANY cartoon ever and complaining about superhuman fighting, like that's the point - it's cool looking, there's not much more to it than that.
I enjoy grounded action, but I'm not looking for that in a show that clearly is not meant to be about that, you can like 2 wildly different things, I can enjoy a cheesy action flick by Jackie Chan yet also appreciate his more serious films, because they're different genres of interest.
RWBY is by no means a great show, it's got tons of flaws, but it's fun because taking it seriously is just as retarded as taking Dragon Ball seriously or treating capeshit seriously; you're meant to enjoy the entertainment, and if it's not for you, there's no point bitching about it, there's a million other properties that you may enjoy instead.
>>19765>Oh you youngsters, give it a decade.Define "youngster." Like, I need to be 40 to stop being a youngster or something?
>[fictional characters] are friends you sick fuckYou're taking all this too seriously.
>>19770>they use CQC, even when it makes more sense to use firearmsWhen you pick the Warrior class in an RPG.
>>19772>I need to be 40 to stop being a youngster When you get to a full adult (not just a young adult) you start to look back on things with fondness.
>taking all this too seriously Yes but also no.
>>19773>when you pick Melee in a realistic FPSFTFY
>>19794I really don't like shipping characters, it's completely pointless. Really distracts from the enjoyment of the show as a story.
Why is it necessary for every story to have a romantic subplot? Every character has to have some romantic or sexual attraction for who knows what reason other than wish fullfillment perhaps. It's all due to the fetishization of love prevailent within our culture, love becomes not just a regular part of one's life but something that should be activily sought for, without which the life is thought of as unfullfilling and meaningless (unconscious egoists, SMH).
On second note, is Ruby x Penny canon?
>>19796It's not canon, that scene is from RWBY Chibi which is explicitly stated as non-canon, and even then it is not really a real confession. Although people saw confirmation in less for Blake and Yang…
>>19798Is it by Rooster Teeth too?
>>19799Yes. It's free on YouTube, but it probably does not make much sense without knowing the characters.
>>19801Then it counts I think. That's already more canon than most fanfiction, that's for sure.
>>19794LOL no. But seriously, yurishippers and yaoishippers are cancerous as hell. The Chibi scene is just a bit, there's some stuff in Chibi that's really wack, like Cinder essentially being the "candy van" meme and other things, it's non-canon for a reason, though its still fun (because it's for humor and not unironic shipping).
>>19799 >>19802But as stated it's a joke bit, it doesn't count, because it's like various other chibi omakes such as Chibi Avatar or Chibi Isekai Quartet, just for gags.
>more canon than most fanfiction >RWBYOh my sweet summer child, you have no idea how much fanfiction makes more sense and can be more canonical than the actual show, as strange as that sounds.
>>19840>you have no idea how much fanfiction makes more sense and can be more canonical than the actual showIMPOSSIBLE!
>>19840>But seriously, yurishippers and yaoishippers are cancerous as hellHow are they different from any other shippers?
>>19852>How are they different from any other shippers? My dude, are you new? There's a reason Fujoshi, Fudanshi and to an extent Himedanshi, are considered the worst sort of shippers in RWBY and anime in general, because
A) They tend to be fetishizers that literally represent the cringe of the "UwU/OwO" meme (far more than most straight shippers)
B) It's almost always unfounded on any sort of character interaction or story themes, and 90% of the time feels forced
C) It just comes off as vulgar modern shit; "2 people have a healthy, real friendship? THEY MUST BE FUCKING!" And you see this more with yuri ships and yaoi ships than straight ones.
Within RWBY you only have to look at the pure cancer of WhiteRose and Bumbleby shippers; it's all either lust-based fapbait or libshit. Shippers in general can be cancerous, but I will take Lancaster and RoseGarden and even WhiteKnight Shippers over any of the Yuriships.
>>19871>My dude, are you new?No, I just don't interact much with shippers and tend not to hang out on forums (this one is an exception because it's my shelter against SJW radlibs, McCarthyists and neo-Nazi /pol/tards).
>but I will take Lancaster and RoseGarden and even WhiteKnight Shippers over any of the YurishipsDunno, I will take yuriships with Tracer over whatever shit Blizzard has put out. It's literally worse than any yuriship in Overwatch, holy fuck.
>>19873>don't interact much with shippers Good for you
>this one is an exception because it's my shelter against SJW radlibs, McCarthyists and neo-Nazi /pol/tards Same, sorta.
>I will take yuriships with Tracer over any yuriship in Overwatch What? Isn't Tracer FROM Overwatch?
Tracer x Scout is the best Tracer ship, fite me >>19881>I will take yuriships with Tracer over any yuriship in OverwatchThat's not what I meant. You don't know the official pairing Blizzard has made? They've introduced some bland gril
IN A COMIC SHORT just so Tracer can be a lesbian. There are much more interesting characters in Overwatch yet they've decided to make someone write a fanfic-level story. That's some Disney-level cringe, putting out low-quality stories just to look "progressive." Typical libshit garbage.
>Tracer x Scout is the best Tracer ship, fite meSurely you're joking, Tracer x D.VA is the best ship.
>>19888> You don't know the official pairing Blizzard has made?Not an Overwatch player so I don't really know much about it.
>they've decided to make someone write a fanfic-level story. That's some Disney-level cringe, putting out low-quality stories just to look "progressive." Typical libshit garbage. Sounds about right to them.
>Surely you're joking NEVER!
>>18763 Adam was wasted potential personified. Especially since he's set up to the villain that haunts Yang and Blake, since Cinder is the villain the hangs over Jaune, Ruby and Weiss. Adam going from a calm killer to an flailing murderer is inane. He should have been a terminator or slasher like figure, nearly unstoppable, his faunus senses far outstripping most of their own, his experience in weapons overshadowing theirs, his ability to disappear and mercilessly hunt them. Hell, he's a perfect candidate for someone jaded enough to get recruited directly into Salem's circle. But nah, lets just do lame drama and an absolutely pathetic fight.
A really good post on the contrasting the chilling persona of V3 and the hysteric we get after being so dissapointing.
https://archive.ph/6LyXo i can take it or leave it
>>19907interesting photo edit
>>20053 It's a pretty (in)famous meme in the fandom.
>>20009 Ok
It is a simulacra of anime. A copy of a copy that has lost all true connection with the original object.
>>19906Sayonara, Knight-Sensei.
>>20055Anime isn't even an object, just an umbrella term.
>>19907I realized that in the lead up to that volume, they had a whole teaser short dedicated to him. Like, usually when you have these shorts, like the red/yellow/black/white trailers, it supposed to tease for the next volume and their possible points of interest and conflict. Hell, right below this trailer in recommended was the trailer for Weiss in the lead up to the next volume (5) . Whether you think its good or bad, at least she plays some role in the story and the short is appropriate to give more context to where she comes from. But with Adam, he shows up at the end, and its all about Blake and his obsession with her. Nothing of the short, which is basically about the conflicting factions of the White Fang, play a role in him confronting Blake. At best, you get the shot of him reminding Blake of what humans are capable of (aka, his branded eye). But that's less a warning to Blake and more trying to guilt trip her. Maybe it would have been better if he realized he lost his way about the mission and decided to end his obsession with killing Blake, for his own peace of mind and for betraying the White Fang. At least then, it makes sense why he decided to continue following them without making him the generic psycho stalker ex boyfriend.
>>20055>simulacra >Muh anime purityOh it's this guy again
>>20082 and
>>20088 are correct.
>>20086 >[snip]THIS. I'd also like to clarify by the "pathetic fight" I'm more referring to certain portions of his end and his V5 face off against Blake.
Also I'd like to note that the Test Footage of Monty's Adam vs Yang fight was interesting and the fight standard Monty quality, but to be quite frank I prefer the canon fight in terms of it being a shocking, unexpected one-shot, since it set up Adam's dangerous character and his power being above the likes of Team RWBY. It's because of this dangerous and serious display of Adam's character that his character got fans and why Adamfags were so furious with his castration post V3. Going from a edgy, frightening villain with a dark presence and becoming a seething incel that was far too pathetic to be leading a revolutionary/terrorist group.
The drawn out fight is well choreographed as usual, and very cool, but it fails to have the sheer impact of the canon disarming of Yang. They took Monty's animation later and used it for the fight where Yang and Blake
kill him https://cream-and-five-sugars.tumblr.com/post/182066125761/adam-vs-yang-old-unused-footage-the-lady-in >>20091WTF, why is she thicc?
>>20211>why is she thicc? >Asking this about YangFor shame anon.
>>20140 Don't show this to Ruby-schizo, he already tried to kill himself once to Isekai into Remnant once.
>>20236She's famously "top heavy".
>>20236>For shame anonI don't watch RWBY, I have nothing to be ashamed of.
>>20091More on the test footage (archive.is available)
https://www.tumblr.com/rwbyconversations/177019902666/adam-vs-yang-test-footage-summary >>20238 And for having a booty too - the shorts aren't or rather are for show.
>>20262 Even MORE shame.
>>20296Nora has thunder thighs!
>>19727>EMBED Embed is unreliable m8, post link and title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNmqd_DwJJ4 Two Hands Revy - Ship Chase
>>19040>Spoiler predictionWell I was partly correct although the Naruto-esque moment isn't quite her meeting her mother's soul, though she did accept herself (still wish she'd been aged up into grown Ruby, would have made for a good visual metaphor). Jaune got blasted by Weiss, but no sacrifice moment really happened.
>Hopefully Ruby's catharsis is going to be a la Gurren Lagan "Be the best version of yourself that you can be".Unfortunately did not happen.
>>18835 >Making another crossover between DC and RWBY only worseThe current run RWBY x DC comics began in Febuary and are still going as of July 2023 and it just keeps getting worse. It's plot is inane, the art style is just garbage and don't even get me started on the dialogue. Also ironically in Issue 4 they accidentally confirmed the joke about RWBY being the horsemen of the apocalypse.
In terms of character designs the DC folk look okay but RWBY just looks terrible; Ruby looks okayish even with the dorky goggles, and Weiss is mostly unchanged (other than that strange scar stylization) but why did they think Yang and Blakes costumes were any good at all here? Yang looks like a poorly done Silver Age (of comics) Scarlet Witch and Blake like a particularly lazy Catwoman cosplayer, which clashes terribly with the Modern Age designs of the DC-verse characters.
https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/DC_RWBY >>18953Nora is definitely underrated - cheery, passionate, girly and pretty but strong too. Ren is a lucky guy.
>>20297 THE Thunder Thighs!
>TFW she will never squeeze your head between her thighs as her active semblance zaps you>>18958 >turned all emo.I really don't know why they did that, especially since Ren didn't even do anything that bad to Nora even if he was an arse, and they literally kissed and made up. Feels contrived. The JL crossover movies Ren/Cyborg jealousy that Nora eggs on also feels OOC, even if it leads to some funny memes.
>>20505I'm sure this is exactly what Monty envisioned way back when.
Also does anyone else remember when he died insane gamergates online accusing his wife of murdering him
>>20521>I'm sure this is exactly what Monty envisioned way back whenI assume this is sarcasm
>when he died insane gamergates online accusing his wife of murdering him Yes, honestly it was a joke in the /rwbyg/ community, amounting to "pussy killed him" but then the schizos took it seriously and created this huge incel-ish conspiracy, it was inane.
>>19071 >>19102 >>19073 >>19088 Part 2 got announced a few days ago with a teaser image (pic rel). It's gonna be released on Ruby's birthday (October 31st). I'm just hoping they don't exclude/side-show Jaune and the rest of JNR in this, because that would suck after the KnightLight build-up in the first one. JNR is listed to be in the film, so there's that. The RWBY-verse antagonist is probably Watts, though possibly Merlot may make an appearance instead, which would be fun.
The original comic-run is no help in guessing since Starro was the main antagonist there, it was actually a physical Justice League transplanted/merged into the RWBY-verse instead of a VR in Volume 7-8 and it actually takes place somewhere between Volume 2 and 3 sort of like Ice Queendom, evident by Pyrrha being alive, although JNPR are mostly cameo appearances instead. That being said it's still fun. I'm guessing/hoping that Part 2 is going to have the RWBY-verse physically transfer over to the DC-verse.
https://readallcomics.com/category/rwby-justice-league/ >>20621>>19073>>19071 Speaking of KnightLight - here's a fic that got removed from FFN because of wannabe jannies on the site review-bombing over the stories not fitting the M-rating limit.
There's some others also written on fanfiction.net in the crossover section and /RWBYg/ has a dedicated TrafficLight writer that made a few KnightLight greens as well, I gotta go dig up some of the Zips.
One thing I'm honestly surprised and disappointed in the lack of is Grimmified characters, it is so unbelievably hard to find a fic with a Grimm Ruby or Grimm Summer or grimm anyone (which is strange considering that it's been a fan theory/idea for a long time). Especially after the reveal of the Grimm Hound being based on a Silver-eyed Faunus and Cinder's Grimm arm which I would have thought as perfect food for fanfic material. The only contender for these would be some Grimm-turned-human fics, but even those are scarce and rarely well written. In terms of fan-art there's only slightly more than fics and not all of it is good either.
The number of fics I've found is barely 2 dozen or so and they're wildly disappointing, considering the sheer number of RWBY fanfics there are. I can only recommend 3 of them, all Jaune focused which are pretty good. If anyone knows of any others please link them.
3 fics I recc:
1)
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13191717/1/My-Abominable-Monster-Classmates-Can-t-Be-This-Cute The initial story prompt is basically Rosario Vampire, but it becomes something wildly different and pretty interesting
2)
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13965520/1/Where-a-Heart-Once-Was This one really goes all out in branching off the canon timeline and doesn't hold back at all in terms of both imaginative Grimm and the horrific nature of battle. It also doesn't play around with Grimmification like most fics, so it's not just a 'humanoid grimm' but a monsterous grimm, built on the twisted remains of a human killed by Salem (I won't spoil who).
3)
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12778468/1/Jaune-s-Grimm-hand kinda has some aspects from the plot of Parasyte but with a well-meshed twist by making it Grimm related and impact the plot of the story, giving Jaune unexpected and unique abilities and problems.
>>10804Other RWBY /draw/ requests
>>>/draw/3505 >>>/draw/3323 >>>/draw/3316 Also some edit requests in the edit thread
>>>/draw/3506 >>>/draw/3693 >>20881 >You could try the Japanese dub.Jap dub isn't very fun tbh, although that might be because I've grown tired of Japanese speaking in anime in general overall. I used to be sub > dub, but now its the reverse.
>>20881do all the seasons have a jap dub?
>>20903Yes
You can find it easily on 9anime (now aniwave)
https://aniwave.to/watch/rwby.r93o/ep-1>>20752 >CRASH Episode 1: From The Top Shoulda posted the link outright in case the embed dies, forgot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyMWEQB0AUg&ab_channel=B00mrang >>20907Your link only has 13 episodes in Japanese.
>>20908Strange, they must have been removed. Link rel has them up to Volume 4 and Volumes 5-7 did get dubbed, but I can't find them at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/@RubyRoseSilverEyes/playlists On a different note, Raven should have been more Asian looking (especially considering her touhou Reimu + samurai based attire) and subsequently Yang should have been half-asian looking. Or have it be a switcharoo - make Tai the asian one with Western LARP and Raven a samurai 2hu LARPer. I still like Yang's original design, but it's just a thought that occurred to me. It would fit the "yakuza delinquent" vibe she had originally.
>>10825Avatar the Last Airbender has dislike among the Japanese because the Fire Nation is very clearly a depiction of Meiji era Japan, with all the fascist industrial-capitalist aspects it had. The Japanese post-1990s, have become very allergic to negative depictions of Ancient Japan and Japan in general, thus films and series that revealed the ugly side of Japan's feudal and imperial past (Seven Samurai, Zatoichi, Inuyasha, Princess Mononoke) are no longer common, and in general such works have become niche, because it's an informal taboo. For similar, nationalist reasons the Nanking Massacre (which the wiping out of the Air Nomads is similar to) is ignored. Ironically RWBY is partially influenced by ATLA according to Miles Luna.
TL;DR: ATLA reminds the Japanese of their country's past misdeeds.
ATLA thread
>>>/hobby/2562 >>20950>Ironically RWBY is partially influenced by ATLA according to Miles Luna. """"influenced""""
>>20951 If your typically burger exaggeration of quotation marks for the sake of pretentiously overbearing sarcasm is implying the RWBY aped off of ATLA, then you've clearly seen neither.
Very little of RWBY's main features is like ATLA, you can vaguely say that the concept of 4 kingdoms of different regions that the main cast travel and visit for various plot arcs references ATLA, but even that is very vague, there are some elements glimmering through, but nothing more than that.
>>20921>>20912Found a full jap version of Ice Queendom if you were looking for that
https://9animetv.to/watch/rwby-ice-queendom-18086?ep=92447 New "volume" when?
>>21060RTX 2023 did not confirm Volume 10, but
Shawcross was quoted as saying “Eddy [Rivas] and I and the writer’s team have been working on stuff for Volume 10 despite not having a greenlight,” also
>Kerry: "We don't have a Volume 10 greenlight yet, but we are going to show something at the panel that is post-Volume 9."And they showed a lot of unfinished stuff from the end of Vol 9 which would actually make for a good Volume 10 beginning, I've posted it in the thread. I think that RT is going to work on V10 a bit on the side but concentrate on the JL crossover which comes out on Halloween and is their next big project. I'm predicting an announcement for V10 around then and a release date probably in mid-late 2024, going by previous history. Likely it's a hangup in negotiations with the unnamed "partners" they mentioned (I suspect it's CR).
There are rumors it will be called Volume X.
>>21092I thought it
was Penny
>>21187oh boy, I can't wait to get corpo slop in my vaguely indie anime
>>21191>Who the hell cares about these spinoffs Not enjoying other content with RWBY that extends the life-span of the series
Besides it's clearly a way to pull for time in regards to Volume 10.
>>21188 If you mean to mock my post, it's falling flat since my expectations for JLxRWBY P2 are quite low actually, I'm just lamenting that in the face of how unexpectedly decent Part 1 was.
It would have been cool to see Jaune as the Rusted Knight again too.
>>21633Fucking hate Winter tbh. Biggest bootlicking bitch in the series, and only turned on Ironwood at the last moment with a shoddy excuse, even though she is as much, if not more culpable for the actions he and the Ace Ops did for most of the series.
>Literally runs away from home, abandoning her sister and brother to the tyranny of their abusive father and alcoholic mother >Thinks the sun shines from Ironwood's Iron Wood through the entire series before her heel-face turn >Grew up in a rich prissy environment and sees anyone not like her as lesser than her>Absolute Jobber Honestly the list goes on.
Seriously, fanfiction depictions of her make her a more likeable character. I know the early season depictions were just Monty following anime tropes for Weiss as the rich girl with a hard-ass older sister who's better than her, but the more we see of Winter, the less I like her. I wanted Cinder to kill her at the end of Vol 8, and giving her the Maiden powers, while expected was just such a wasting of Penny.
>>21639Yes, but she's pretty. I don't even remember what made her change her mind about Ironwood in the end.
>>21641Basically she got guilty about her sister and her possible death and suddenly decided she gave that much of a shit about her.
>>22315Last updates were in
>>21062 and the screencap I thought was from V10
>>20623 is actually from the JL crossover Part II. However JL 2 does take place after Volume 9 so the mistake is understandeable. It makes the lack of Jaune in the actual crossover all the more annoying though, considering the aspect of him essentially being a middle-aged man in the body of a 19 year old and having suffered quite a bit more since his initial meeting with the Justice League and Jess.
>>22910Demand them to put RWBY under copyleft or into public domain under a threat of mail delivery to the members of their board of directors.
>>22920Anon, they get death threats every day, that's not going to stop them from sinking their ship and taking all their properties with them. Both in the copyright way and in writing their stories into the ground out of sheer contrarianism.
>>19094 Does she at least get a scooby snack?
I like Ruby
>>22970But the homophobic Ruby meme made a lot of people aware of the show, that must be a good thing, right?
>>22970dang one ship can really do all that?
>>22977 Catpiss has been baited ham-fistedly since Volume 6. The Ruby meme only came about in Volume 9. It was only this funny because of how tone deaf and bad the writing had become by that point.
>>22978 Many such cases (KorrAsami, MaKorra, CatrAdora, StarCo, all the ships of the Voltron: Legendary Defender series, etc.)
They drove most of the plots and just killed the story, leading to retarded things happening.
>>23272I second this, they're very similar cuz I wanna have sex w/ both of them
>>8784Actually, RWBY was written by an American, Monty only did the choreography.
>>23445No. Monty was the one that created the story, it was his project that he got greenlit after doing choreography for RT in RvB and making the latter successful. CRWBY were writers on board, but Monty had the final say and was the one coming up with the setting, plot, characters etc, having almost all the control in the Red, White, Black and Yellow trailers.
>>23444>444>trips wasted on horninessTypical RWBY fandom
>>23449If he created the setting it doesn't mean he created the script or any animation other than fight scenes.
>>23450Anon, are you being retarded on purpose?
>Monyreak "Monty" Oum,[2] was the creator, director, co-writer, animator, and a voice actor of RWBY. He voiced Lie Ren in Volumes 1 and 2 https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Monty_Oum He had direct control of the story direction through Volume 2, with Volume 3 being what he wrote out in detail prior to his death. He animated any scenes he wanted (not only fights) and the dialogues to go with them were written by him, as were the characters, their backstories and designs. It was his story, his writing and his animation and direction. The fact that he collaborated on it doesn't mean it isn't his, especially since, as his project, he had final say on anything, and was a known workaholic. You can claim Volume 3 onwards wasn't animated by him, but that's because he was dead, and the story writing declined the further we go because the story bible was vaguer for later Volumes, due to his unexpected death. Also it's pretty well known that Oum was constantly adjusting the script and story on the fly forcing the animation team (including himself) to change and fix things that were already written and animated.
So TL;DR: Yes he was a writer, he dictated the direction and he personally took a hand in many scenes, while that primarily involves scenes, it also includes the Beacon Dance and important scenes involving more than close ups.
>>23452Very well. Then the problems with the script can be placed on him. If he did janky animation during non-combat scenes then you can add that as well.
>>23455Pretty sure RWBY just copied stuff from anime like Cowboy Bebop and such.
>>23466 (me)
Also, the non-combat animations are jank in the first seasons, yes.
>>23467 (me)
And the lighting. And the background. And the monsters.
>>23468>>23466>>23467>I-it copied!Not this shit again. Being inspired by and referencing other anime is not "copying" and Monty and the original RT team working on RWBY never hid the fact that they referenced stuff like HxH. Hell the entire concept came from Monty's love for Final Fantasy VII and his animations using Tifa and other such characters prior to joining RoosterTeeth.
>>23471 Has it correct.
Oh and post a single reply, not 3 posts for a couple meagre sentences each.
>>23474nah, the rwby writers took shit from other animes without understanding the context of why those things worked in those animes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fdKWOHrdE >>23475 >Retarded contrarian reposts the tired, nitpicky, hbomber video every RWBY shitter posts because they think it means somethingOh wow RWBY used a similar introduction in episode one to Cowboy Bebop (nevermind that the animation is different in both medium and fights, never mind that the characters are different or the plot this leads to is different). And yes it worked quite well, because it was inspired by, but did not directly take from Bebop among other anime. (You) and Hbomber's faggoty gotcha's fail on a fundamental level. You see this with his utterly inane comparisons to ATLA (which I covered before ITT) or the retarded shit about "muh underage girls" which ignores that only Ruby is underage at the shows beginning, and the rest are approaching adult-hood and are still far less under-dressed than most anime such as BnHA, so his complaint about "underage sexualization" is retarded. I honestly could go point by point and dismantle his shoddy, garbage video, but I won't bother, it would take me longer than the video to rip it apart and I don't care to waste that much time on haters. RWBY is by far not a perfect show and I've criticized it many times, but I do so as a person that watched it since it first came out and is a fan disappointed by its decline. Hbomber is just another ECeleb faggot that gets his kicks and money off of hating shit and creating drama with fallacious arguments and pseudo-intellectual attitude.
Edit: HBomber also lies his ass off, claiming that he was inspired by Monty and that he was his hero or something, when his SomethingAwful forum posts about him reveal the opposite:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3663526 >>23476No, /co/ edgelords and /a/nime purists like to talk shit because they're miserable people that can't enjoy something without pissing on other things.
>>23474>I-it copied!Why do you feel the need to mock me when I didn't even want to personally offend you?
>Oh and post a single reply, not 3 posts for a couple meagre sentences each.Not my fault that this site doesn't allow me to edit posts.
>>23479>I honestly could go point by point and dismantle his shoddy, garbage videoSomehow i doubt it since you managed to write a couple of paragraphs in response and not address even a single point.
>>23488 >>23490>Why do you feel the need to mock me when I didn't even want to personally offend you?<1-800-C'mon-Now Because you're blatantly being condescending, don't pretend to be obtuse
>Not my fault that this site doesn't allow me to edit posts. Then how about you stop being a twitter spaz and think through your posts
before posting, instead of making unnecessary replies parasitizing post limit… again. And no, phone-posting is not an excuse.
>you managed to write a couple of paragraphs <not address even a single point Funny, given that I addressed several specific points;
A) Him hiding behind "Monty's vision" and how he respected the guy and that's why MKEK's writing was bad, even though he himself talked shit about Monty before-hand
B) Pointed out his mentions of "muh underage sexualization" as being untrue, especially by anime standards.
C) Addressed his unfunny bit about RWBY 'copying' Cowboy Bebop's Movie introduction, which is what you began this debate with
>>23466 >"RWBY just copied stuff from anime like Cowboy Bebop"So yes I addressed your points and pointed out a few examples of what makes Hbomber's video a hack-job.
Hbomber does what most anime youtube analysts do; trawl reddit for memes and shit-posts ranting about a show, watch some contextless clips and portions of the show, looking for stuff to shit on, then release a compilation of these newfag, ironic memes and shit-takes presented as an "analysis" or "critique". It's boring and obvious to anyone that isn't an idiot… unfortunately most of his target audience are exactly that, idiotic libs. His criticisms are faux-intellectual dribble for people even more unintelligent than his smug self.
As another example he mocks the usage of Poser and Monty for using it (the latter of which he glosses over in the video and only talks about on SomethingAwful, because mocking a dead man on his youtube channel would be bad for public image). He ignores the context, time-period and actual details of animation in his claims, something that actual animators have discussed and covered in far better detail and without all the snide ignorance of faggots like Hbomber who haven't created anything original in their life, let alone animated something.
See
>>18875 for a REAL analysis of RWBY's animation.
>>23492I wish that one day retards like you will realize that there is more than two people on the imageboard.
<"RWBY just copied stuff from anime like Cowboy Bebop">So yes I addressed your pointsWrong. That wasn't his points. He doesn't criticize for using other anime as inspiration, he criticizes for ont understanding why the source of isnpiration was good. Namely how the characterization works. Did you just watch 30 seconds of the video and jumped to conclusions or are you just that stupid?
Personally i think hbomber was a bit too nice in his critique. RWBY is a mix of meh fight scenes and utter dumpsterfire of everything else.
>>23476nah, it has a cool tone and action (or at least it did in the first 3 seasons, the only watchable ones). if i knew of a better written show that feels like rwby, i'd watch that instead.
>>23493>I wish that one day retards like you will realize that there is more than two people on the imageboard. Wow you can use VPN/Phone-Mobile-Data/Tor to samefag! Sure showed me!
Regardless, it's irrelevant.
>That wasn't his points.There is quite literally a bit in his video where he talks about Episode 1's introduction of the Roman robbing the store and how it's Soooo like Cowboy Bebop's Movie introduction. And again I was addressing a specific example given.
> he criticizes for ont understanding why the source of isnpiration was goodFFS stop and check your damn sentences. And no, his criticisms are trash because he CLAIMS they don't work, but he doesn't know what the writers are going for, especially regarding the early Volumes. Episode 1's reference to Bebop works just fine, in part because
A) They already had the TRAILER's as introductions
B) It's a completely different story and sets up the plot, doing its job as a scene.
>Namely how the characterization works And his statements are fucking trash that demonstrate that he didn't watch the show. Example: He criticizes Jaune for rejecting Pyrrha's help and trying to tough it out on his own… which is the result of his own insecurities about not being a strong or skilled fighter, about cheating to get into Beacon and so on. Later this gets further explored with the fact that he has 7 sisters, and he learns and gets over it, being able to trust his friends to accept him as he is, and not the heroic image he wants to project. The same goes for most of his character criticisms. Again RWBY certainly isn't without fault, especially as things went on, but not for the reasons Hbomber states.
>RWBY is a mix of meh fight scenes and utter dumpsterfire of everything else.If that's your opinion, then why are you here in this thread? To relive your 2010 edgelord days?
>>23496>Wow you can use VPN/Phone-Mobile-Data/Tor to samefag! Sure showed me!And every time you morons pretend that i would give enough fucks to do that instead of admitting that you are a stupid fuck.
>There is quite literally a bit in his video where he talks about Episode 1's introduction of the Roman robbing the store and how it's Soooo like Cowboy Bebop's Movie introduction.Yes, he talks about it. But it is to set up the critique and not the actual point of the critique. Because he then uses them to compare to each other and show what one did right and other one didn't. How fucking stupid you have to be, really?
>And no, his criticisms are trash because he CLAIMS they don't workYou already showthat you have zero bloody idea about what his points even are about.
>They already had the TRAILER's as introductionsWhat exactly red trailer said about he as character? Except that she has like a cool scythe, can figth and likes color red? What the store scene adds to that? Nothing. They are just okay (ish) fight scenes, that's it.
>He criticizes Jaune for rejecting Pyrrha's help and trying to tough it out on his own… which is the result of his own insecurities about not being a strong or skilled fighter, about cheating to get into Beacon and so on. Later this gets further explored with the fact that he has 7 sisters, and he learns and gets over it, being able to trust his friends to accept him as he is, and not the heroic image he wants to project. The same goes for most of his character criticisms.So much copium. If you can't tell how this is a shitty writing, i dunno even what to say. A joke of a character has a plot device that would kinda sorta explain why he did something in his character arc (using the term loosely) several fucking seasons after it's happened, lol. And what exactly happened to make him trust his friends?
>and not the heroic image he wants to project.Lol, if only he actually tried to do that in the series instead of your imagination. That would imply he doesn't understand that he is weak and has delusions, but…he doesn't. He just rejects her with "yeah i am weak but i don't need help because…reasons". And then does full 180 without any apparent reasons either.
>>23498>"every time you morons pretend that i would give enough fucks to do that instead of admitting that you are a stupid fuck." >Samefags exist and use VPNs, Tor and phone-posting to avoid detection>This is well established imageboard behavior <N-no you're stupid and wrong!uygha I don't care, if you're bothering to bitch on a thread about a show you clearly hate, then IP-switching samefaggotry isn't off the table either.
>Yes, he talks about it You're as much of a speed-reader as HBG is. The post I was responding to SPECIFICALLY brought up Cowboy Bebop, then AFTER Hbomber's video was brought up. That's where the Bebop comparison always comes from.
>it is to set up the critique and not the actual point of the critiqueWhich is why I called it an unfunny (and inaccurate) bit. And it's not a critique, it just says "look this scene from a show made by anime fans is referencing another anime. Dat's bad because in the anime it had all these other meanings and contexts!" relative to its own verse
Ignoring
A) It's primarily a reference for the sake of fun
B) It has it's own meanings and context within the story, unique to itself, working well more often than not, such as when Mercury fought Yang in the Tournament and how it references HxH yet has a different set up and meaning from the fight its referencing..
C) If MKEK had written these references to have much greater similarity and context to the anime they were referring to, he'd instead be crying "plagiarism" because shitting on the show is the point of the video, not "critique".
>show what one did right and other one didn't.No, he cherrypicks and narrates things to support his already established conclusions
>How fucking stupid you have to be, really? Clearly not as stupid as you, since I never fell for his grifting pseudo-intellectual shit, I can criticize MKEK myself without relying on some reddit-faggot's meme-based opinionshit.
>You already showthat you have zero bloody idea about what his points even are about. Ok Pot.
>What exactly red trailer said about he as character A lot actually: She's standing by a gravestone. We don't know whose yet (because it's a trailer) but it establishes her as someone with empathy at the very least and it can be extrapolated as someone she lost. Her fighting abilities with a very unique weapon indicate that she's capable, which sets up her later entering Beacon and skipping years, as a talented prodigy. Her being a prodigy leads into her not being a good leader because she's younger, less-experienced and relatively unassertive by nature which leads to both initial conflicts and resolutions in early seasons, and over-arching themes about her idealisms of heroism clashing with her inability to save everyone. The trailers for Weiss set up her need to prove herself, her struggles to do so and her determination contrasting her image of a prim princess that performs on stage. Black trailer sets up Blake's character as a rebel who didn't want to abandon her humanity. Later Post-V3 writing is what ruined her, along with the rest of the White Fang plot-line. But that's the most obvious, low-hanging fruit, and HBomber would have to be a drooling moron to miss that, so I'm not giving him any credit for his lib criticisms of White Fang. But I digress.
Yellow Trailer set up Yang; party girl with cheery exterior and casual dress hiding her inner insecurities and dark secrets. We also see Roman in the background, setting him up for his later run-in with Ruby in Episode 1.
Each trailer demonstrates a glimpse into different fighting styles, different characters through behaviors and appearances, generating intrigue, which is exactly what a trailer is for.
>What the store scene adds to that? NothingWRONG, Episode 1 set up characters, conflicts and more throughout the first 3 seasons. The Dust being stolen both in Black Trailer and by Torchwick in Episode 1 is the same dust used in the Train explosion later on and is part of the Dust-Thieving plot that Blake looks into during her conflict with Weiss. It's resolution brings the team closer together. Hell even the first 5 minutes sets up the following: Ruby likes weapons and knows how to fight, easily dealing with adult mooks in spite of her size. She clearly has a sense of justice, a slightly childish one at that, which, as I stated, sets up her characteristics. As the season progresses we soon learn she's a sheltered kid growing up on stories of heroism and her deceased mother who she idolizes. Hell each detail, from her clothing (her mothers medallion, the bright color scheme fitting her name and upbeat nature) already provides some depth. Her interactions with Roman also set her and him up. He's an arrogant, sarcastic slimeball, even in his debut.
So from the trailer and episode 1 what we have is an introduction to our main protagonist with basic characterization through action, visual appearance and dialogue, while establishing the future plot… like any normal story.
>So much copiumSo much non-argument. You're just saying "HBomber is right b-becuz he said this is bad and that's my opinion too" and trying to hide it badly under vague "criticisms".
>A joke of a character has a plot device that would kinda sorta explain why he did something in his character arc (using the term loosely) several fucking seasons after it's happened Wow, this isn't even a strawman, this is a fucking straw-clump of an argument. Not only did his main insecurities about cheating his way in and about being weak get introduced the first season, but we see it clearly hinted at in his behaviour, from attempted false confidence while poorly flirting with girls, to clearly not knowing anything about fighting or weapons. The part with his sisters REaffirms this later.
>what exactly happened to make him trust his friends And this is how I KNOW you didn't even watch the show. The blackmail scheme against Jaune comes to head and he gets forced to make a decision; either swallow his pride and do the right thing, not falling for peer pressure, or bitch out, and this led to him having to open up to his friends and accept their help. You wouldn't know good writing if it bit you in the ass.
>if only he actually tried to do that in the series instead of your imagination Except he does, just because you have the attention-span of a gnat, doesn't mean everyone else does.
>He just rejects her with "yeah i am weak but i don't need help because…reasons" Uhhh No. He doesn't have a GOOD reason to reject her because it just boils down to pride and shame, and in GOOD writing you don't have to explicitly say that, to carry this across. The concept of masculine insecurity and the rejection of help in a false sense of independence is old and well understood, if you don't get it, then you need to read more books, fiction and non-fiction.
>then does full 180 without any apparent reasons eitherI already addressed this, if you can't watch 5 minutes without spazzing out, that's not my problem, just stop posting your butt-hurt here and go back to r/RWBYCritics
>>23499>Which is why I called it an unfunny (and inaccurate) bit.No, you pretended that it was the point of his critique. Because earlier you said that you responded to his criticism, and that wasn't it. You are one stupid cunt.
>She's standing by a gravestone. We don't know whose yet (because it's a trailer) but it establishes her as someone with empathy at the very least and it can be extrapolated as someone she lost.Pfffffft. You don't know a single thing about analyzing art.
>WRONG, Episode 1 set up characters, conflicts and more throughout the first 3 seasons.It doesn't. Not to mention everything seems to be retconned like 2-3 times per season.
>And this is how I KNOW you didn't even watch the show. The blackmail scheme against Jaune comes to head and he gets forced to make a decision; either swallow his pride and do the right thing, not falling for peer pressure, or bitch out, and this led to him having to open up to his friends and accept their help. You wouldn't know good writing if it bit you in the ass.Yeah, good writing is when something unrelated to the problem happens and character does 180. Guess stupid fucks like you are the target audience of the show.
Did chatgpt wrote this shit for you? Kek. Your post is full of pretentions bullshit that has nothing to do with the actual show. All to pretend this trash of a series actually is worth anything.
But then again, watching a butthurt fanboy defend this trash, by inventing asinine explanations is pretty funny. Please, continue.
>>23492Dude, we're two different people…
>condescendingWhere was I condescending? I said nothing to you or to Oum and when I said that the animation and lighing are jank I'm just stating the obvious, the show just doesn't look good outside of fight scenes. The fight scenes are good, I admit.
>Then how about you stop being a twitter spaz and think through your posts before postingI AM TRYING. Plz stop being so overzealous, you're not really giving me much help.
>>23502Are they, tho? For me they are like SW prequels fights - a lot of choreographed crap with litte substance and basic direction (sometimes even without that).
Fight aren't really that different from the rest of the writing. They are tools for telling a story and not just here to "look cool". And i feel that there was a significant lack of that in rwby, aside from extremely basic stuff (that hbomber guy drooled all over as if it's a god given gift). Granted, they are much better than the rest of the show, but imo it's still not that good on it's own.
So what happens now?
>>23509>>23508So apparently they sold all their properties to Warner Bros entirely, and there is at least hopes for a movie to end it (pics rel). The shutdown seems to be a WB decision too.
What also sucks is Casey Lee literally only found out from Variety posting a tweet about it (pic 3 rel)… like what the fuck…
>>23500>No, you pretended that it was the point of his critiqueNope, that's you projecting
>earlier you said that you responded to his criticism Earlier I said I responded to a few of his 'points'.
>You are one stupid cunt Same to you.
>You don't know a single thing about analyzing art. And the pseudo-intellectual reveals their false sense of superiority.
>It doesn'tNot an argument, just denial.
>everything seems to be retconned like 2-3 times per season Source: Your ass
> good writing is when something unrelated to the problem happens and character does 180 Seething faggot posts another Straw Pile argument, more news at 11
>stupid fucks like you are the target audience of the show. I don't pretend the show is something it isn't, which means I don't make up bullshit to hate on it, since I'm not an edgelord like you. I have criticized RWBY many times ITT, with detailed explanations about shit like Ironwood in Volume 7-8, or the awful way White Fang was written, not the nonsense you're on about.
>Did chatgpt wrote this shit >Your post is full of pretentions bullshit<wrote<pretentionsLMAO, if anything that's you, ya illiterate.
>watching a butthurt fanboy defend this trash, by inventing asinine explanations<I'm so smart by wasting my time hating on something I don't like instead of doing anything else. <Y-you're butthurt not me. N-no u!Ok faggot, please continue your projection.
>>23502>Plz stop being so overzealous, you're not really giving me much help. Fine, your posts genuinely are different from the other retards.
Some of the animation isn't great, but that's already been discussed ITT ages ago. For the time, the program and budge at release, it was pretty decent for an Indie animation made by a couple guys on their PCs. Now-days people have access to better animation programs and so on, making it easier for people to animate. That's why RWBY switched to Maya later and why later animation becomes much smoother since Maya has less limitations than Poser did, including shading, and walking on surfaces.
>>23509Now?
Let's go practice medicine.
>>23508What an absolute shame. I'll miss Red vs Blue, but can't say I was actively engaged with the studio beyond that. Frankly, the whole thing should've been shut down back when those terrible harassment allegations first came out.
Word is they're still planning to release RvB: Restoration, which I have high hopes for. But even failing that, I guess Season 17 is still a good ending point for the series.
We don't talk about Zero.I never really kept up with RWBY as the action wasn't my cup of tea and I personally didn't think the plot or characters were good. My understanding is that there isn't any place in the series right now where you could stop it and say "this is where we can say the series ended" like with Red vs Blue (which, to be fair, has had multiple points where you could say that since the series has been running for over 20 years - Episode 100, Revelation, Season 13, Season 17), so the only way for fans to get closure would be for the IP to get bought out.
>>23512Yeah, typical example of WB being really shitty about business. Odds are the only reason they shut down Rooster Teeth is because it wasn't bringing in as much profit anymore, rather than actually addressing harassment.
Fucking amazing that you can find out you no longer have a job through no fault of your own by logging on to Twitter, of all things.
RIP to RWBY I guess.
>>23518>Yeah, typical example of WB being really shitty about business. Odds are the only reason they shut down Rooster Teeth is because it wasn't bringing in as much profit anymore, rather than actually addressing harassment.They have been gutting everything for tax writeoffs ever since the merger.
>>23518RWBY was a silly, stupid show, but I loved it anyway. It might not be to everyone's taste but that's a personal preference.
And yeah WB really did fuck RT up even more than RT already was doing.
>>23521 I'm doing a rewatch of RWBY, the good old days of fun before Ruby went to the
Tree.
I live in Austin. I remember when I was in highschool, there was a guy in my grade who refused to study because his life plan was to drop out and get hired by Roosterteeth. I wonder how that dude's life went.
>>23525GED isn't worth shit so can't be much worse.
>>23521Download and archive if you give a shit about saving it. WB-Discovery has been going on a rampage pulling down and deleting content they own.
>>23521Which season did you stop watching on? If you're finishing the series, it's probably best to stop at Season 13. Season 14 is just an anthology / mashup of mini-series episodes that are a mixed bag, while Seasons 15 and 16 are pretty bad (with one or two good moments). If you really want to watch it through to the last stuff with the Blood Gulch Crew, then you can power through to Season 17 which I personally think is phenomenal and does a lot to salvage the earlier two seasons (Wash and Donut make for a surprisingly good duo lead).
Don't watch RvB: Zero
especially if you think the Brain Damage subplot was one of the good parts of Seasons 15-17Regardless, when or if Restoration gets released I'll probably watch it, and you should too if you at least make it through Chorus since that's when it's supposed to pick up from (the pitch is apparently an alternate ending to Season 13).
>>23513>Y-you're butthurt not me. N-no u!You both look like you're very angry at each other honestly.
>>23528 >>23518 >>23508 >>23511 >>23518 >>23512 >>23519RvB is apparently getting a final season. RWBY: Beyond is going to be completed and RT is scrambling to put together an RWBY Volume 10 in the 60 days they have allotted to them. I'd rather something to polish it all off, rather than just ending on a whimper.
Also in other news Dillon Gu is interested in buying RWBY which is honestly a good, realistic option. The guy is a Monty-fan, Animated Volume 3, created Project Monty, and does Genshin animations at the moment on his youtube channel that are genuinely well animated and fun (and I say this as someone that loathes Genshin).
https://archive.ph/G4aX3 >>23543Red vs Blue's final season has been in the works for a while now - announced last year, with a single episode released as a teaser. The question isn't whether it was being made, but whether it would get released since it's been delayed so much (now made more prominent with Rooster Teeth getting shut down).
Still not the biggest fan of RWBY but if people are really passionate about it then let's hope that guy can buy the IP so that people who are still passionate about it can continue to work on it.
>>23556>Still not the biggest fan of RWBYFair
>if people are really passionate about it then let's hope that guy can buy the IP so that people who are still passionate about it can continue to work on it. THIS. But I fear Kerry and Miles might torpedo this just out of spite.
>>23556It'd be nuts not to release the final season of RvB after Burnie and Matt came back to write and direct it.
The best thing would be to buy rwby, reboot it, and make sure those two crackers aren't allowed anywhere near the writing room.
>>23573I think people are a bit too harsh on Miles - he was the lead writer and director of Red vs Blue's Chorus trilogy, which is almost universally loved and considered the "last hoorah" of the series (though here's hoping Restoration changes that!).
I can't speak for the other guy, though. Maybe he was a bad influence on Miles, or maybe there were uncredited co-writers for Chorus that helped steer Miles in a good direction for RvB, but not RWBY.
Even if you dislike Miles as a writer, if nothing else
that just makes Felix's death all the more satisfying, since Miles was his VA.
>>23574RvB had well established characters and style by that point tbf.
>>23575Yes, but it also added tons of new fan-favorites like Felix, Locus, Dr. Grey, General Doyle, Kimball, etc. and let a lot of the existing characters grow with their own arcs (Tucker, Wash, Carolina, etc.)
The Chorus trilogy is really good in its own right, it didn't just ride the coattails of earlier seasons.
>>23573>CrackersEddy was fine, Miles was better as a VA, his writing sucked and he sucked up to Kerry's opinions and basically let her control his portion of the writing.
>>23565 It would probably return RWBY back to the basics - a youtube show funded by fans and his own income as he primarily operates on Youtube, collaborating with another RWBY exodee, Shaw.
>>23574 Miles had no business writing RWBY honestly, none of them did. I remember Monty having to constantly reject some of his and Kerry's proposals during their meets, some of which got filmed and were released before being lost to the internet years ago. I might find it if I dug around in desuarchive, but I won't bother slogging through ~2600 threads to do so.
>>23576That's true, and it also gave the Reds and Blues a surprising amount of character development. What I meant was more that instead of building on something already established they felt more free to do whatever they wanted with RWBY, and maybe they needed the constraints.
>>23577Again, I can't speak to how well he did with RWBY, but Miles writes best when he or whoever he's working with has a clear vision. He obviously lead the Chorus trilogy, and he was brought on for a few episodes of Season 17. This leads me to believe that Kerry's writing was the issue and that Miles should've intervened or disagreed instead of sucking up, as you said.
Speaking of Season 17, that's a great example of how deferring to another writer can affect the quality of your show. In this case, Joe Nicolosi (lead writer for Seasons 15 & 16) had to work on another project, so Jason Weight (co-writer for Season 16) took over with Joe's outline for the remaining plot beats. And it turned out really well! Despite writing arguably the worst episode of the worst season (up to that point), Jason turned things around and wrapped everything up nicely. It helps that, funnily enough, he also wrote the best episode of that season (i.e. Wash learning about his
cerebral hypoxia), the quality of which carried over when he helmed Season 17.
In retrospect, I think everyone was a little too harsh on Seasons 15 & 16 - they're a mess, sure, but there's a genuine and heartfelt story at the center of it that needed a proper script doctoring for it to stand out (which thankfully happened with Season 17). Honest to god, I would take them over Zero any day of the year - at least Joe and Jason bothered to follow heavy story beats and understood where they wanted to take the plot and characters.
>>23580I don't think constraints is the issue - RWBY just felt aimless and confused, it had all sorts of creative freedom but didn't make the most of it (or wasn't very competent about making something with it). I can't speak for the seasons I haven't watched, but that's definitely how it felt early on. As for why this is the case, well, Miles proved with Chorus that he can come up with original characters and plot threads without having to rely on existing material (even if he likes bringing it in to tie things together), and it sounds like he deferred to Kerry a lot, so that would leave Kerry as the root of the problem.
>>23580Yes, they absolutely needed constraints IMO, or at least someone to edit their writing so it didn't go off reservation… which is what Monty did until his death.
>>23581>RWBY just felt aimless and confusedWhich as I've always said, was because Monty died and RT pushed away some of its better creators. That's why the further we go, the more depressingly pointless things feel.
>how it felt early on Well early on it was just having fun establishing itself; the characters, the world and so on, which came to head in Volume 3 and was supposed to go into a hero's journey type plot.
>Miles proved with Chorus that he can come up with original characters and plot threads without having to rely on existing material That's the problem, RWBY wasn't really his. Chorus had direction because he was a major originator of the entire thing and so knew where he was going to take it, rather than taking someone elses world and characters and not knowing what to do with them, the White Fang and Adam for example.
>it sounds like he deferred to Kerry a lot, so that would leave Kerry as the root of the problem. Kerry and Barb to be exact.
Also as a side note the owner of the rwbyg site
>>18762Is currently ripping every episode of RWBY, Ice Queen and RvB they can have on Blu-Ray and are going to upload it all so that the files won't be lost. I gotta talk to site-anon later to determine the exact details.
>>18762I implore you, please add the soundtracks in FLAC to this
So you've just been hired as the lead writer for the sequel to the hit online anime rwby. What are your plans for 2wby?
>>23596Resurrect and kill Penny in every episode.
>>23614>all the plotholes in chorus were done intentionally, as a bitoh i get it now. hilarious.
>>23654Not seeing the problem tbh
>>11559Ah, the old Cat-Girl Ears Question. Going by the story of the Faunus and the God of Animals in The Shallow Sea fairytale, Faunus were given animal traits on top of their human visages, rather than simply replacing them, thus Catgirl faunuses having 2 sets of ears. From a practical aspect it makes Blakes hearing even better than just having immense Cat Ears would, as human ears are located horizontally to our sides, with very slight angling towards the front (like with birds) while Cat ears, like fox ears or wolf ears, face forward more and are located higher up, like 2 close RADAR dishes. Thus, Blake's hearing would have excellent side hearing, able to hear in a greater radius around her, and also better directional hearing. It's like having 2 front-facing, really good eyes and two smaller, less precise eyes to the side that act as early warning… of course the writers forget that and Blake gets blindsided constantly, because like the rest of the Faunus, she's treated like trash.
The real answer is, it worked however Monty wanted it to work, just like how 2 different faunus types create a child with a random faunus trait, while 2 of the same create a similar child.
>>23657I'm with the Tor anon, it's kinda weird.
>>23616 That's more of something to do for RWBY Chibi.
>>23586 Not the Site Owner, you'll have to go to /rwbyg/ on 4/trash/ and ask them there. It depends on if they can RIP the files or not.
>>23695since when was it considered unnatural for cat girls to still have their human ears?
>>23699Would you think it was weird if they had two sets of eyes too
>>9805>Irish were an oppressed minority in the British Empire I want to expand on this some more. The Irish are a perfect example of potential source material, to the point that it literally lends itself to some of the plotlines about Extremist vs less-Extreme factions of the White Fang. The bombings and raids by the White Fang on dust facilities and civilian infrastructure is a good mirror to The Troubles. It's so easy to find allegory material to portray differing dynamics within the WF, too.
Imagine Adam Taurus with a proper NornIron steak accent. Intimidation across every single scene would have gone through the roof. He's all but a lad from Belfast, who grew up hating the Strand 'cause he can't stand the fact that he's from Auld Smoke. Dresses like a cunt from Dublin, at that.
>for more great matches for the world situation, take a look at the true allegory of the faunus being the Irish, and v7 being a massive reference to Gulliver's travels.https://www.tumblr.com/luimnigh/183781717509MKEK likely didn't accomplish this intentionally, but it's still there. They barely had to try at all to reach all this, but they just didn't. Funny thing is that RoosterTeeth's staff are libs, so all they'd have to do was look at Death Eaters, who Rowling based - in part - on the IRA because she wrote Harry Potter during The Troubles bombings (
>>>/hobby/10633 ). Hell the Irish got treated like trash in America too, so it would work even better.
Also we've only seen Local human militias rightfully clashing with the White Fang in Adams short, and there's the vague implication (almost never backed up) that some of the government institutions are racist to Faunus. Since any moderately sized group of people are basically just allowed to go out and try their own shot at making a town in the wilds, there ought to be a fair few towns explicitly made by Humans, for Humans, who just don't let any faunus settle in or move through them. Following the White Fang escalation and known role in the fall of Beacon, it would make sense for these towns to begin actively attacking faunus and the White Fang with their own paramilitary units and movements. What do these Militias look like, do they have a special outfit they wear like the White Fang? Has anything like this ever been explored in a story well? Obviously if this was explored in the show, they would be the bad guys and it would be botched, but it'd be an interesting parallel as well.
Also if they really were incapable of writing a story about racial oppression or something, why not hire a black person to do that?
>>23876>i like how weiss ended up being unapologetically racist from beginning to end now that its over Fucking what? I'm not the biggest fan of Weiss, but that's blatantly incorrect. Girl is a full on class traitor by the end of Volume 8.
Anyway Baal is based as usual.
>>23654yeah it's probably one person with a fixation commissioning it
>>23878That's most commissions tbh.
>>23876Why is this artist drawing bullshit like this with those skills?
>>23882Because he started out as an /a/ drawfag
>>22970 A lot of BB fans mention that Monty supposedly planned the ship. The ship being planned isn't the gotcha people think it is. If it was really the case it just makes the ship worse. 10 years of buildup and it still sucked.
The closest we get to proof of it being planned was a video of him discussing a script where they joke about Yang being lesbian and then one of them (I think Monty actually) says NO and they laugh. The other supposed proof video of Monty they like to use is an interview* where he replies to a question about if there will be queer characters and he says 'Yes probably' stating that they're currently children and that as writers they were discovering their characters over time and that it was a possibility, he didn't specify which characters, let alone team RWBY and he emphasized that it needed to be well written and natural… clearly that last part was not achieved. Honestly Freezerburn would have been a better ship, especially after Yang rescued Weiss from her Mother's bandits.
*(x.com/IncorrectBees/status/1080848643530190848?s=20)
>>23933I wonder if Blake has a barbed strap.
>>23933Cute fan-art does not absolve yittykitty
>>23936 She'd be offended you asked such a faunus-profiling question
but yes she does >>23937>She'd be offended you asked such a faunus-profiling questionGood, I hope she'd get even more pissed when I make her wear the leash and collar.
>>23938>she'd get even more pissed when I make her wear the leash and collar Yet still be into it
<White Fang on the streets<Domesticated in the sheets Truly Collared
>>23995>no blake*punches wall*
>>24063Speaking of the Curious Cat, Only one mention of NeoPet, by me.
>>19030 I'm ashamed.
>>23882>>23884Baalbuddy is fucking based! Fuck you!
Anyway any FRWBY enjoyers here? (2nd picrel)
>>24830Critical support. The ideal is really having them both together and making one watch while you plow the other, then clean you both up after you finish.
RWBY's owned by Viz now, but no V10 confirmation.
>>25410Maybe we'll get a reboot with competent writers.
>>25410Oh boy, they did such a great job with Homestuck.
>>25413> RWBY is joining the VIZ roster of global anime and manga hits!At least now we know definitely that it's anime.
Rwbyoot rwby and make it a slutty harem manga
>>25421That wouldn't work. Jaune isn't quite bland enough for a harem protagonist. Ren and Qrow would threaten the dynamic unless both of them are written as explicitly gay.
>>25424The harem protagonist would be Blake.
>>25424Jaune's only purpose would be to get endlessly cucked. I'm talking zero bitches. Negative bitches. Blake even fucks his mom so bad that she forgets about her loser failson. His theme song will be "ballad of the bitchless bitch."
>>25425LMAO no, Blake has negative rizz, its what makes all her relationships in the show appear so awful, besides the fact that she's every other bad girlfriend stereotype rolled into one.
>>25424 Ren is absolutely no threat because Mr.Rooftop Korean is absolutely exclusive with Nora/gay. Qrow is so much older than them that it wouldn't work either - he's obviously either a pair for Winter or Willow (or both). So yeah Jaune works for the main characters as the harem deuteragonist. And he's not bland at all, the best harem protags aren't bland, despite the memes.
>>25431 >Muh Jaune is le cuck! <Cuck Cuck CuckFound the redditor
>>25432>Found the redditor<posts reddit memeWhat did she mean by this?
>>25433>What did she mean by this?Jaunecuck stan with no argument
>>25432>Ren is absolutely no threat because Mr.Rooftop Korean is absolutely exclusive with Nora.As a main cast member, Nora would inevitably get swept up into the harem vortex.
>Qrow is so much older than them that it wouldn't work eitherHe would just throw off the dynamic as a man in his sexual prime. And at some point they would need to think about filling out the older woman archetype.
>And he's not bland at all, the best harem protags aren't bland, despite the memes.That only works for 'subversive' harems, that can market the character towards a specific demographic. RWBY needs one of the most average protagonists of all time for its audience to self-insert as.
>>25425I can totally see that. Just roll back her personality to the start of the series and she should be perfect reverse-harem protagonist, with the harem members constantly monologueing at her and saying how special she is.
Hatem protag Blake should have a spiked cat dick to hatefuck the racism out of Weiss with
>>25433>>25434 >reddit meme Do I need to teach you about how reddit steals memes? They literally took this from /rwbyg/
>C-cuckProjection is a hell of a drug.
>No-argumentThere's nothing to argue against - it's just screeching about a character you don't like because you have no taste.
>>25435>As a main cast member, Nora would inevitably get swept up into the harem vortex. That's why I gave the option of making Ren gay, it would fit.
>He would just throw off the dynamic as a man in his sexual prime. And at some point they would need to think about filling out the older woman archetype. Willow, Winter, Raven, take your pick.
>That only works for 'subversive' harems, that can market the character towards a specific demographic. RWBY needs one of the most average protagonists of all time for its audience to self-insert as. I disagree, at least in regards to the fandom I'm a part of. It's why I called out the other two for their r/RWBY / Critics tier opinion. Only the worst fans want a bland harem protag like you describe.
>roll back her personality to the start of the series and she should be perfect reverse-harem protagonist, with the harem members constantly monologueing at her and saying how special she is. NTA but you don't even have to roll her back, it works regardless.
>>25438futa is based and rwby is based so it's only natural
>>25436>spiked cat dickwhitegirl pls go
>>25443The Schnees must suffer.
>>18762>The pastebin: https://rwbyg.com/ Now that Roosterteeth is dead all RWBY & RT content including previously unreleased and Behind The Scene's stuff can now be found at
https://rtarchive.org/ at least for the time being. Dunno if VIZ's acquisition will change this or if they just leave it be, so if people want, they ought to save the content that you can, maybe make some catbox files. I might drop by the rwbyg servers and send the site owner the files if need be.
i want to kick off my semesters with a Yang
>>25539>RWBY might be put into Multiversus.…Should we tell them? 😐
>>26941So did anything happen to RWBY, or is it still in limbo with only minor, easily-monetizable spin-offs and licensing being greenlit.
>>26942Apparently remnants of RT have recently been acquired by another company and they're making vague promises
https://roosterteeth.com/press-release>Along with the acquisition, Box Canyon announced a new development slate of productions for 2025, including renewed production of some of the platform’s classic shows, a new original audio adventure Again, and an untitled reimagining of Burns’ first film The Schedule. Cool, let them reboot Rwby and hire competent writers this time
>>26943Wasn't RWBY already bought by VIZ Media?
>>27758Also it's a damn shame 8kun kucked itself with that retarded "join or die" image blocker. The rwby board there was pretty big and active.
>>11477Started off okay, turned to shit later because liberals. The RWBY references were fun though.
>>21076>Robot Gurl being hacked by Ernest KhalimovWas this a wordfilter? What the fuck does this mean?
>>28036I don't think it was filtered, it's about Penny and Ironwood.
>>28037Oh. Well technically it was hacked by Watts, who isn't a chad, despite his self-aggrandizement. That's why I was confused lol.
>>28128/rwby/ is always looking for new friends, and the /leftypol/ board is open for adoption I think. Anyone wanting to be leftypol BO… can be so.
>>281288kun is not really 8chan it just pretends to be. It is run by Q boomers.
>>28156Not quite. 8kun is directly built from the ORIGINAL 8chan, just as leftypol was originally based on bunkerchan's structure. It's what it became after the downfall. But yeah, 8kun is pretty shit, so shit that it basically ended up functionally killing most of its boards.
8chan.moe is a newer lynxchan based imageboard, it's similar to the original 8chan, but it's a different site. Even the CSS code is not entirely interchangeable.
Anyway more on topic -
https://8chan.moe/rwby/ is pretty ok. A little slow, but faster than this place, nor as toxic as 4/trash/'s rwbyg remnants, or as retarded as the main RWBY subreddits.
>>23449moot point. his website explicitly states that he is american.
being japanese in race and being japanese in culture are different things.
this show was made by someone born and raised in america. it has the exact same amount of japanese influence as halo 2.
>>28178>being japanese in race and being japanese in culture are different things <japanese is a race Ethnicity. Read a book. Oum was a massive otaku of Japanese descent. He's American by citizenship and where he lived, sure but by that metric cartoons like He-Man are anime since it was animated in Japan, even though the design, authors and conception is entirely Western.
>it has the exact same amount of japanese influence as halo 2 <retard is mixing up RvB and RWBY in his head RWBY is very heavily influenced by Monty's love of anime and its Japanese culture, from the story aspects playing fast and loose with Western history and mythology to the designs of characters being clearly anime, to the direct influence of Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Naruto, Hunter x Hunter, One Piece and more. The more Westernized aspects are something that came up later when he was long dead and gone and some of which explicitly went against his wishes (Bumblebee ship for example).
>>28187>>28178Forgot to add, RWBY also has a Japanese dub, an anime, several manga adaptations/spin-offs and a japanese LN.
>>28152Correction, currently /leftypol/ on 8chan is locked, so I think you'd need to go request Board Ownership from the Admins and see if they're mellow about it. www.8chan.moe/rwby/ is pretty active though, more active than here that's for sure. Also their /cyoa/ board is decent, better than 4chin.
>>28332The Japanese dub makes it watchable. Ruby's English VA must have given somebody the mother of all hurricane blowjobs to get the job.
>>28333>Ruby's English VA must have given somebody the mother of all hurricane blowjobs to get the job.she didn't apply for a job she was already part of rooster teeth. rwby was an amateur show made by a very informal "company" of youtubers whose previous experience was making machinimas and let's plays. half of the disproportionate hate this show gets is people losing track of this fact. it's like getting mad at community theater or someone's band they started with their friends
>>28363No excuse frankly. Rwby wasn't made on a toaster in someone's garage. It was just a bad decision because anyone could tell her VA sucks and any number of aspiring VAs on twitter could have done better.
>>28366>Rwby wasn't made on a toaster in someone's garageIt kinda was, at least for the original Volumes.
>her VA sucks She got worse later, her voice was fine in earlier Volumes, then the VA got older and trying to imitate the old voice came off as it does. That being said, V9 had a decent voice. Now continue here
>>27758 >>10805I just realized this was reposted from 8ch.net/rwby/ lol
Here's a headcanon of Team RWBY's politics, because why the fuck not at this point in the thread:
While none of them are really explicitly political:
Ruby: probably a Humanist philosophy-wise.
Weiss:Racism for that first bit, but eventually something like an Anti-authoritarian or at least an anti-plutocrat
Blake: Progressivism? Liberalism? Reformism? something not very revolutionary
Yang: Not sure
>>29237>Yang: Not surePolitical lesbian/transhumanism
>>29242Nah, Yang's a libertarian through and through.
>>29304Update: Link for stream is set, Sunday here we go!
>>29309Stream has begun!!!
>>29326The first stream was at 9AM-12PM it was replayed from 12-3PM again, that's what's being talked about.
>>29338>>29309>>29304Next Stream set for the same times with restreams at 9PM!
Hope to see you folks!
>>29340 A quick update on the Streams
RWBY Stream will occur on Sunday as usual but with how large Volume 4 is, we're considering splitting it into two streams.
https://8chan.moe/rwby/res/8643.html#9513 This may occur for following Volumes as well.
Those interested, please vote on Yes or No.
>>29402i wish there was a video exactly like this except she's surrounded by cocks
>>29402>>29403sorry i've been going through something lately. please disregard
>>29428That is where I dropped the series, how does it evolve from there? Does it improve, get worse, secret third thing?
>>29430It kinda varies, there's parts that worsen, but there's still plenty of good. The worst Volumes are 5 and 8 and even then there's fun to be had. Come join in and see for yourself
>>29428Volume 5 may be split in two Streams given it's length. Additionally…
STREAM DAY CHANGEHello Folks, due to some Real Life scheduling, I will be changing the Stream day to Saturday for the foreseeable future! This starts with the next stream. Spread the news please.
Ergo Volume 5 stream will be Saturday at 9AM with regular restreams.
>>29445SATURDAY STREAM Stream for VOLUME 6 will be tomorrow 9AM East Coast USA Time!
See ya lads there!
>>29503SATURDAY STREAMStream for VOLUME 7 will be tomorrow 9AM East Coast USA Time!
See ya lads there!
>>29535SATURDAY STREAM! RWBY Stream for VOLUME 8 will be tomorrow 9AM East Coast USA Time! Same cytube link as always!
See ya lads there!
Ultra hyper slop
Never understood the hype
>>29585>slop slop! everything I don't like is slop! Do you /pol/uyghurs read books or what?
>hype It was hype because Monty was hype due to him having excellent fight choreography and this being his personal project (originally). Additionally RoosterTeeth wasn't always a gay-liberal big company, it used to be machinima, a group of indie youtubers making all sorts of stuff, fanprojects like Red Vs Blue, various group game plays and RWBY was their first major original animation project. Obviously the show is far from perfect, especially in later Volumes, but still fun for many people.
RWBY chibi is absolute puke
>>29796I don't care about your gay hetship with self-insert.
My ship is still based and hellbird-pilled, and i will still repeat this fact for the national geographic.
>An abusive child-abandoner who runs a tribe of bandits that asks for consent hooking up with a traumatized girl turned villain whom she looks down on I love a good redemption arc in my repairship
>>29798>gay <hetshipYou need to touch grass liberal.
>self-insert What are you actually on about?
>My ship is still based and hellbird-pilled Your ship is the epitome of abusive lesbian stereotypes, that's the opposite of based, retard.
>a good redemption arc None of this is a redemption arc. Lustful hate-sex and being a toxic couple is not a 'repairship'.
>>29798Yeah nah, Raven is literally the worst fucking person in the series, she's actually worse than Salem in some regards. The only thing she's good for is being gangbanged by her own scumbag bandits.
>>29800>00Dubs confirm; based and true.
>>29798>I don't care about your gay hetship with self-insert.This. I've read some cute lancaster fics, but Jaune is literally the worst main character by premise alone.
>>29801>muh banditsWait until you hear about the bolsheviks.
>>29800ur mums a liberal>>29801>Yeah nah, Raven is literally the worst fucking person in the series, she's actually worse than Salem in some regards. 10/10 character, i love a good redemption arc :^)
>The only thing i'm good for is gangbanged by her own scumbag bandits. nou, after asking for consent
>>29802>but Jaune is literally the worst main character by premise alone.>Wait until you hear about the bolsheviks.this
>>29802The Bolsheviks weren't a bunch of murderous thugs who raped, murdered and pillaged ordinary people, before abandoning them to be ravaged by the Grimm, while being led by the propagandist of nietschizian ubermensch philosophy. If anything Raven is basically an ancap.
>>29802>Jaune is literally the worst main character by premise alone.Again, HOW? How is he worse than the toxic liberal catgirl. What premise are you even on about?
>>29803Your pic is literal faggotry. Please kill yourself.
>10/10 character No
>a good redemption arc <hellbirdsNo
>nou Uno Reverse.
>>29803>ur mums a liberal >gay-ass fujo pic <no argument Cope and deflection: I repeat go outside and touch grass and read a book. Optionally consider taking your meds. Alternatively go back to cuckch/a/n.
>>29802 As the other anon said, the Bolsheviks were not bandits, robbing a bank to fund their activities is not the same as marching into a village and basically burning it to the ground like parasites. The Bolsheviks specifically executed people for this, because to behave like this isn't upholding the principles of a communist and revolutionaries. In fact Lenin specifically ordered the Red Army to respond to "banditry" with lethal force. (Citation: Lenin, Red Annals No. 1, 1924. Collected Works, Volume 26)
So yeah, fuck Raven and her Branwen tribe, the reactionary cunts deserve the wall, literal slavers, rapists and murderers at the very least.
>Jaune is literally the worst main character by premise alone. I repeat; in what way (inb4 repeating the "self-insert" claim started by a hater on SomethingAwful)
>>29811>>29805esreveR onU
>Cope and deflectionur dad a cope
>>29805>>29811>>Jaune is literally the worst main character by premise alone.Ignoring the fact he's obviously the self-insert of his whedonite VA, he gets far more development than NR, and even PRWBY in the beginning, with barely any payoff and no discernable reason except autophilic highschool faggotry.
>murderous thugs who raped, murdered and pillaged ordinary people, before abandoning them to be ravaged by the GrimmWe can't trust what Qrow says, because he's a literal cop and agent, so that leaves us with little knowledge on their modus operandi. Raven vocally espouses social darwinism, yet she also values discipline, or else why would their captive bourgeois brat have been left entirely unharmed. The bolsheviks also never layed hands on the Romanovs leading up to their execution, despite at the time being demonized as thugs and rapists by the whites. On a larger scale, it simply wouldn't make sense for a community of bandits to do more than collect tribute from most villages, when unrestricted looting and pillaging would quickly lead to Grimm overrunning the rural population and cannibalizing their largest source of income.
Ultimately more important are the material conditions such tribes exists in. Mistral is a primarily agricultural kingdom with a weak central authority, still reeling from the collpase of its former slave economy. Bandit tribes arise as the natural outcome of its inability to provide for the peasant population, a rural exodus wiithout an urban labor market, and they are relatively communal in contrast to the rest of Mistral, which is no doubt crawling with landlords. Their lifestyle also makes them less primed for reaction than the rest of Mistral, hell Raven is technically a faunus, something that would hardly escape the notice of genuine bigots. If an analog to the bolsheviks existed in RWBY, they would no doubt recognize bandit communes as the lesser evil.
As Stalin said, the two most important preconditions for industrialization are heavy industry and mechanization of agriculture. Industry in Remnant is already pretty well-developed, likely owing to the fact dust offers such an efficient power source and requires a far lesser degree of centralization, in a world where large populations are a liability. Mistral being shepherded by a dictatorship of the bandit classes could perhaps simultaneously obsolete the state-mandated monopoly of hunstmen on Grimm protection and reduce the amount of resources being funneled away from the rural population, thus spurring a new wave of rural expansion. The style of government would be similar to historical examples of feudal authority, where a large number of governors would be personally appointed by the Empress, while her wandering procession would enforce order among the population and personally hunt larger contingents of Grimm.
There is apparently also fanfiction about Raven as head of a Bonarpartist Mistral government, but at the moment i'm too busy
gooning to Vulpes Inculta to read it.
https://fanfiction.net/s/14139853/1/The-Branwen-Republic >>29875>he's obviously the self-insert of his whedonite VAExcept he isn't. HBomber literally made a bunch of shit up and over a decade later faggots still regurgitate his nonsense.
Aspects of a Self-Insert: Being a Mary Sue/Gary Stu, wish fulfilment (e.g. romantic), similarities to the author, the plot revolving around them.
1) The character was not created by Miles, it was created specifically by Monty with the intent of being a narrative foil to Ruby; the underdog that has to work his way up compared to the child-prodigy, a classic anime trope (Sasuke and Naruto, Vegeta and Goku etc.) just without the antagonist-rivalry. Monty and Kerry were the ones who asked Jaune to be written into many of the Early Volume episodes (pic rel). Jaune and Miles are pretty different, none of Miles' real life is seen in Jaune's story.
2) Jaune's "romantic wish fulfillment" is non-existant, the person he was into (Weiss) rejected him and he stopped going after her. Pyrrha was largely a one-sided crush by her and was never going to pan out; Monty planned for her to die from the beginning.
3) Jaune is so far from a Gary Stu it's not even funny, he's literally the least competent of them all at the beginning of the story, and his learning curve doesn't suddenly have him become the bestest evar! He fails often, makes mistakes and isn't at all perfect. He has character flaws that he overcomes through natural progression. He isn't handed it.
>he gets far more development than NR Because he is a main character and a contrast to Ruby.
>even PRWBY HAHAHAHA no. Pyrrha literally has entire subplots dedicated to her. RWBY had their trailers and most of Volume 1 and 2 to solidify their initial relationships. Jaune got 3-4 episodes out of the first 3 Volumes and he is in the same roster as Ruby. Pyrrha was a secondary character of the main cast like Nora and Ren.
>barely any payoff >autophilic highschool faggotryYou haven't actually watched the show. This isn't an argument, you're just making a claim that there is no pay off and some pseudointellectual gobbledygook about autophilicism.
So far his character has changed as a hero, from a foolish kid with dreams of heroism to someone that learns to stand up for himself, to have humility and that heroism isn't only about slaying monsters. Team RWBY also has similar progress, the issue with them is that later Volumes fuck shit up for many characters.
If ANY character is a Self-Insert it's fucking Blake Belladonna being Arryn's. Her whole dynamic with Adam was changed from an ex-lover/comrade revolutionary into a straight up fucking incel, all because the voice actor for Adam was Arryn's ex and she self-inserted her break-up with Garrett Hunter. It got so bad that it ruined the White Fang subplot entirely and is one of the most hated parts of the series. Arryn had been shilling for Blake to be a lesbian since day fucking one and before going for the Bees, had constantly pushed for a Blake-Pyrrha ship, to the point that her fellow writers told her to stop. She deliberately went behind the other's back to get scenes added to V4 where Blake slaps Sun hard as well as writing the entire 'lesbian lusting for the straight girl' character subplot in Illia and repeating it with Blake later in V7-9. She outright admitted to adding in lines for Blake regarding her (numerous) bad relationships. She cosplays as Blake (unusual in the VA sphere) and constantly talks about her. She pushed Yang/Blake and reads fanfiction for it including reading a smutfic on stream and generally treats her as her personal project. Blake as a character does so many shitty things in the story and yet is constantly reaffirmed as good and a positive character, in spite of being a toxic dishrag. Not even going into her being a total lib.
>We can't trust what Qrow says 0) "he's a cop" is a fucking retarded dismissal and not even accurate. He's not a cop, that's not what a 'cop' is. As an 'agent' he opposes a literal immoral devil-woman. This isn't the same socio-economic system as the real world.
1) Raven literally confirms Qrow's claims in both action and words
2) Shay D. Mann was literally so mad that Yang beat him up when he tried to fuck her, he led her into an ambush, to presumable rob, rape and kill her, in no particular order. The show just isn't R-Rated for that to be directly said
3) Qrow IS a Branwen and lived that life. Raven implicitly confirms his statement that they were sent to learn how to kill Huntsmen, similar to how the Cartel sends its people to fight in Ukraine.
4) Raven knows who Salem is, what she is and yet continues to essentially do her job for her, dividing people, spreading fear and hate.
5) Finally Qrow isn't the basis of my argument, it's based on what we see. Shion village was raided by Raven and her tribe, they killed the villagers and their defenders, robbed them and left them to be ravaged by the Grimm, attracted by all the fear and negativity. Given that they just have cages sitting around and were going to ransom Weiss, it's obvious they engage in slavery and ransoming and with Shay we see rapist vibes.
Raven knew Beacon was going to fall, and knew the consequences of that (including how much of a victory it is for Salem) and did nothing. Raven has the power to literally form her own city-state and do something useful, but is a petty wastrel ruling over others with magic powers she stole from a girl she murdered arbitrarily. She is the worst person on Remnant for this, worse than Salem in all but scale, because Salem is a creature twisted by her curses and age, Raven is 'human'. She's no different to a cartel warlord or the mafia dons kicked off of Cuba, cancerous scum of humanity.
>the material conditions such tribes exists in Material conditions do not excuse their actions. They could do what any of the smaller villages that formed specifically to be independent of centralized control do; organize a peaceful commune. We see several. The Branwen's are just being scumbags too lazy to work for their goods.
>it simply wouldn't make sense for a community of bandits to do more than collect tribute from most villages <implying bandits are sensible and not self-destructive parasitesThey're mobile, they can literally raid caravans and then move areas to new 'pastures' like most bandits do.And extortion is little better, literal slumlord behavior.
>If an analog to the bolsheviks existed in RWBY, they would no doubt recognize bandit communes as the lesser evil. Bandit "communes" LMAO.
>he bolsheviks also never layed hands on the Romanovs leading up to their execution, despite at the time being demonized as thugs and rapists by the whites. This is in no way comparable and is shifting goal posts; the claim was that "muh Bolsheviks were bandits too!" which is untrue, as they opposed banditism on an ideological and practical level. After the Revolution the Red Army spent years wiping out the Basmachi; Tatar bandits and warlords that did the same shit Raven did, only there aren't Grimm IRL.
>Raven is technically a faunus HAHAHAHAHA no. This is why you need to pay attention to the show. Nobody fucking knows she can become a literal raven and that's not what a faunus is. The fact that you focus on idpol about 'le bigots' means you completely miss that material conditions made for faunus oppression, not racial bigotry, the latter always arrives as a result of justifications of this.
>fanfiction about Raven as head of a Bonarpartist Mistral governmen And that's the issue. Raven needs fanfiction to be a likeable character, otherwise all she has is sex appeal for the cumbrains.
The fic is interesting, but the premise is heavily AU.
>>29877>HBomber literally made a bunch of shit up and over a decade later faggots still regurgitate his nonsense. THIS
Also as a small addendum to it. Jaune is closer to being an Audience Surrogate, which is not the same as a Self Insert.
The fact that people can't tell the difference speaks to a level of poor media literacy and language education, which you can blame the American School System for. After all this is the same system whose definition of plagiarism is essentially "if its similar its the same" with zero nuance. But I digress.
Anyway if you're so arsed about revolutionary characters and things, there are better characters like Sienna Khan and Adam Taurus. Yes Adam got turned into an incel, but that's just poor writing and meddling from Arryn (along with a myriad of other reasons caused by internal RT bullshit).
A decent Adam fic for example:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13443524/1/Adam-s-Redemption >>29877>Pyrrha literally has entire subplots dedicated to her.Only after two Jaune arcs. Most of what we see before the maiden and penny plots is her helping Jaune, in a way that literally does nothing but confirm the previous model-student empath characterization. This structure plot also makes her interest in Jaune seem more like a plot convenience, which has no justification other than Jaune being the first guy to walk up to her and only later sets up a conflict.
>You haven't actually watched the show.You mean the standard high-school plot about speaking true and turning the other cheek? It's not that deep. Jaundince arc could have been about Ruby and it would only shuffle around minor characterization.
>created specifically by Monty with the intent of being a narrative foil to Ruby…hobbled by the fact he barely interacts with Ruby after the first few episodes.
>planned for her to die from the beginning.It should have been Jaune smh
>heroism isn't only about slaying monstersHe does anyway.
>Her whole dynamic with Adam was changed from an ex-lover/comrade revolutionary into a straight up fucking incel.Adam was always written as a generic terrorist badguy. The only notable development was, that the writers pulled some strings at the end of V6 to make him even more incel-ish and obsessed.
>Arryn had been shilling for Blake to be a lesbian since day fucking oneGood. They wouldn't have written a non-cishet main character otherwise and would have totally gone through with having none of the four heroines be in a genuine relationship ever, even if catpiss was literally the worst option.
>She deliberately went behind the other's back to get scenes added to V4 where Blake slaps Sun hard as well as writing the entire 'lesbian lusting for the straight girl' character subplot in Illia and repeating it with Blake later in V7-9.>She outright admitted to adding in lines for Blake regarding her (numerous) bad relationships.Self-inselting is good and immersive, when it adds to the overall characterization without being outright contradictory. Self-inserting is bad and jarring, when it leads to contrived romantic interest and a narratively disposable high-school arc.
>Not even going into her being a total lib.Don't pretend like the others aren't contemptible libs, especially the writers.
>He's not a copIt is heavily implied the headmasters exercise direct control over huntsmen. Huntsmen in general are shown to take in citizens for questioning and possess resources only a real-world police-force or military would have, like armoured airships and wait for it… guns! In practice we barely know how huntsmen operate, so they could be anywhere in between mercenaries and the Gestapo.
>Raven implicitly confirms his statement that they were sent to learn how to kill HuntsmenWhy is killing cops bad again?
>Shion village was raided by Raven and her tribeThis doesn't mean they raided every village, just like a cop doesn't shoot every person on the street. If the Branwen tribe was to lay claim on a territory, they would first need establish a monopoly on violence, for example by
threatening to loot and pillage every village opposing them. Constant plundering only exists in a war of all against all and can never be maintained over the long term.
>organize a peaceful communeThey are effectively exercising violence over a far greater territory than they would be able to hold, should they settle and practice agriculture instead. Being nomadic also doesn't mean they're vagabonds. They have a vested interest in keeping out major Grimm populations and other bandits from their territories. Considering the events of V6, bandits and unregistered mercenaries are effectively serving the role of huntsmen from that point onward.
>She's no different to a cartel warlord or the mafia dons kicked off of Cuba, cancerous scum of humanity.Yet she is progressive in relation to the landed gentry of Mistral and the comprador government set up by Vale. The bolsheviks not only eliminated banditry because it was desireable, but also because they could. As i already explained, bandits are a necessary evil within the material conditions of Mistral. They would no doubt support bandits over a reactionary state, which is precisely what they did with the Makhovites.
>The fact that you focus on idpol about 'le bigots' means you completely miss that material conditions made for faunus oppressionThe majority of Mistral is already greatly impoverished, therefore bigotry is the most visible facet of Faunus oppression there, in contrast to Vale and Atlas.
And before you think i'm some kind of tourist, who takes the opinions of an unironic psychopath like hbomb at face value, i agree with most RWBY criticism by Critter and pals. Personally i don't the flaws of rwby can be fixed, the most you can do is rewrite major parts of the plot and character development to satisfyingly develop some aspects of the setting, which is why i have multiple drafts of my own lying around. This is some of my favorite fanfiction:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14291843/1/The-Second-Torchhttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/11777196/1/Last-Huntresshttps://archiveofourown.org/works/7205603 >>29879>Only after two Jaune arcs What are you talking about? He had 1 arc, the Jaundice episode and a small subplot of him being rejected by Weiss in V2, which was also a Pyrrha subplot, none of those are comparable to the drama we get with Blake being revealed as
a faunus and ex-WF member or in Volume 1 when Weiss was given a reality check on her wanting to be Team Leader, or Yang getting Blake to stop burning the candle at both ends while sharing her and Ruby's backstory.
>in a way that literally does nothing but confirm the previous model-student empath characterizationIncorrect. Pyrrha is shown to have a limit to this as well, and is also revealed to be indecisive on a personal level, being unable to openly speak of her crush on Jaune.
>seem more like a plot convenience It doesn't, it's just a subversion of the typical "girl students crush on the top-student of the school" sort of thing we got with Sasuke.
>no justification other than Jaune being the first guy to walk up to her Yeah this is why I say you didn't watch or didn't pay attention. Pyrrha outright states that she liked Jaune because he didn't know who she was and so didn't treat her with the reverence others did. This is also implicitly shown with scenes as early as Initiation, when she gets excited when he has no idea who she is. Is it a tad shallow a reason? Sure, but that's a school crush, not unrealistic or a plot convenience. Hell it's not even that necessary to the plot, its characterization material.
>the standard high-school plot about speaking true and turning the other cheek? That's so vague as to be meaningless. You can say that about almost any story, highschool or not. And also no. Part of the story is NOT turning the other cheek and standing up for yourself (at least with Jaune) and other parts include nuance, reconciliation, understanding opposite sides of a conflict etc.
This isn't a deep novel, and it's not trying to be so your vaguery isn't a criticism so much as a "i don't liek dis"
>Jaundince arc could have been about Ruby and it would only shuffle around minor characterization. No it couldn't. Ruby is a prodigy, she's shown from the start to be good at fighting, and while shy, she's shown no qualms about expressing her opinion in the face of bossy people or bullies.
>he barely interacts with Ruby after the first few episodes. You don't need to constantly interact to be narrative foils. Cinder is also a foil to Jaune and Ruby, they don't constantly interact or need to, that's not how Foils work. Also you're straight up fucking incorrect. Jaune interacts with Ruby pretty much every episode of Volume 1 except the Ruby and Weiss centric episode (Badge and Burden) and the last episode where Team RWBY go search for Blake and the White Fang plot begins to kick off.
In Volume 2 the focus is more on Yang, Blake and the White Fang subplot, and so Jaune interacts with Ruby less, but then the first person she calls in the finale is Jaune and the Dance has a multitude of subplots and character interactions. Volume 3 has the least amount but then Volume 4 is literally Jaune and Ruby paired up for the entire RNJR story arc.
>It should have been Jaune smh Oh you're one of
those. No it shouldn't have. Not only does it make no sense for his character to do what Pyrrha did (deciding on a pointless suicide mission because "muh destiny") but if Jaune died Pyrrha would have likely died anyway trying to avenge him.
>He does anyway.Let me repeat for the illiterate: Heroism isn't
ONLY about slaying monsters.
Jaune uses his semblance a lot in a supportive role, his main heroism comes from doing the small but important things like helping children. He isn't suddenly chad mcthundercock one-shotting all the villains.
>Adam was always written as a generic terrorist badguy. No, he wasn't. Prior to the incel shite he was fairly obvious an extremist, dedicated to his cause. He was literally going to LEAVE Vale entirely prior to Cinder bringing him under heel. Yes his characterization wasn't complete, (because Monty fucking died) but that's what was written up to that point. And then suddenly he becomes this raging man-child suddenly.
>he writers pulled some strings at the end of V6 Again, you haven't paid attention then. Adam's characterization began going off the rails with V4/5. V6 was just the writers putting him down like a fucking animal and permanently cutting off a number of plotthreads that they never fucking addressed; Schnee mistreatment of the Faunus for example. Weiss or Winter never even face Adam, and never face the White Fang again after Beacon. The writing for V4-6 was in part hurt by Monty's death but also because RT was a fucking ghoul and people like Gray Haddock and Arryn fucked over the writing team by doing shit like rerouting funding, or telling the animators to add scenes that weren't in the script.
>GoodAh, so when it's 'le gay girl' self inserting that's good? Nice double standard
>They wouldn't have written a non-cishet main character otherwise >would have totally gone through with having none of the four heroines be in a genuine relationship ever1) cishet is made up liberal terminology, just use gay/lesbian/bi like a normal person, clanker.
2) Good, it would be better that relationships NOT be a focus unless it has narrative or plot significance.
>even if catpiss was literally the worst option. <I'd rather eat shit than have actual meaningful relationships or just not have arbitrary love dramas out of a soapbox. >Self-inselting is good and immersive, when it adds to the overall characterization without being outright contradictory. Maybe, but that isn't fucking Blake. It's not immersive, it's jarring and completely changes Blake's character from a rebel seeking to change the world without resorting to bloodshed, into this pathetic whiny bitch, who later just becomes Yang's suck-up and shoulder-devil, and yet the story keeps telling you "she's good!"
Also LMAO at the "contrived romantic interest" when Blake has fucking FOUR confirmed romantic interests through the story; Adam, Sun, Ilia and Yang and they're all fucking obsessed with her.
>it leads to contrived romantic interest and a narratively disposable high-school arc Quit whining about made up shit. It's not even a high-school. People join at 18, it's a college more than anything. And it isn't narratively disposable, it's set up. We are introduced to the next generation, they start off small, controlled settings, small problems. Then things become bigger. Hell the most typical school drama is barely a part of the story throughout V1-3 Most schools do not have "team leaders". But I digress.
>Don't pretend like the others aren't contemptible libs I'm not, but at least Ruby, Jaune, Cinder or Weiss aren't shilling literal liberal ideology nearly verbatim or fucking embodying virtue-signalling.
>heavily implied the headmasters exercise direct control over huntsmen. Qrow explicitly states that this is not the case in Volume 5, when he goes looking for Huntsmen. Huntsmen are not police nor do they act as police, they are primarily anti-Grimm defence. They do stop crime, but that's not endemic to police; a militia will do the same thing.
>Huntsmen in general are shown to take in citizens for questioning In regards to a fucking terrorist attack or blatant robbery. See the above.
>possess resources only a real-world police-force or military would have, like armoured airships Where did you get armored? LMAO. Bullheads are common transport for civilians within the story. Again you're just making shit up. The only resource they have available to them that isn't available to the average person (Aura is present in all people and even animals. Dust is literally sold and used in near EVERYTHING on Remnant) is their Huntsman ID and access to missions, which makes sense; the average person can't safely do those.
>so they could be anywhere in between mercenaries and the Gestapo. Or we can go by what we actually see, wherein most Huntsmen and Huntresses are free-agents taking missions that they want to take and rejecting those they do not and having no obligation to any one kingdom or person, this is specifically how their role is structured, to be essentially international and only beholden to uphold basic laws (so they can't just be mercenaries killing regular people for money).
>Why is killing cops bad again? Ok internet toughguy
>This doesn't mean they raided every village At this point I am genuinely concerned with your reading comprehension. I literally addressed this.
>If the Branwen tribe was to lay claim on a territory, they would first need establish a monopoly on violence, for example by threatening to loot and pillage every village opposing them That doesn't change the fact that this creates fear and hatred, attracting the Grimm, or it exploiting ordinary working people that can't live in a city or afford to hire a Huntsman. My point stands; Raven is a fucking
>They are effectively exercising violence over a far greater territory than they would be able to holdBullshit and irrelevant. She's the fucking Spring Maiden, she can literally call down a thunderstorm and strike people precisely with lightning. For all intents and purposes to the ordinary layman she is a god within a large radius of her encampment. And yet she does what Salem did when she attempted to act as a goddess and strives to force people under her will
>Being nomadic also doesn't mean they're vagabonds. I never claimed that. That also doesn't change the fact that they ARE vagabonds; this is a Nonsequitur.
>They have a vested interest in keeping out major Grimm populations Except they provably don't. Raven was in the area when The Nuckelavee first began terrorizing Mistral and until RNJR put it down was happy to let it roam around and kill hundreds of men. To go back to Huntsmen BTW; that is a perfect example of why they exist; we see the Nuck's cave, littered with dozens of weapons of people that failed to kill it, because like Ren's dad, they weren't Huntsmen.
>bandits and unregistered mercenaries are effectively serving the role of huntsmen from that point onward. LOL no, we never see this in V6.
>she is progressive in relation to the landed gentry of Mistral No she isn't. Read a fucking book and stop being a radlib. This is the same shit as those retards that claim Mexican Cartels are "progressive" because they're anti-authoritarian; such a first-world take that it's ridiculous.
>compradorYou have brainworms and clearly read too much shitty fanfiction. Mistral was literally a slaver country a century before this and lost a war to Vale, which abolished monarchist institutions including its own, as the King of Vale abdicated after defeating Mantle and Mistral.
>also because they could What a meaningless statement. Bolsheviks never endorsed terrorizing or looting ordinary people. The heists that Stalin took part in or other acts of terror were directed at the government and government institutions of Czarist Russia.
>They would no doubt support bandits over a reactionary state <Mistral is now a reactionary stateThis is why liberals should be beaten over the head with the Das Kapital and Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism; you don't even know what REACTIONARY means. Reactionary means to use government policy to force things to go back to a previous socio-economic state. The terms are relative to what the past and present of any given country is. A reactionary government in Mistral would be one trying to return to slavery and racist policies, except we don't see that.
The Makhnovites were leftist anarchists, and not JUST bandits. They were still crushed afterwards because they started to lash out and attack the Bolsheviks after their main target fled West, and essentially allowed their forces to loot and kill the local populace with impunity. The only reason the Bolsheviks didn't stop them sooner was because the Russian Civil War involved so many different groups and foreign invaders that the Bolsheviks didn't have time or resources to waste on dealing with them and used their opposition to Denikin. The Bolsheviks did not make alliances with Basmachi or other straight up reactionary bandits however, or support them in any way.
>i agree with most RWBY criticism by Critter and pals Judgemental Critter is only half-right SOMETIMES and other "critics" are usually completely wrong. Stop taking your cues from youtube ECelebs.
>favorites <CoeurHAHAHA I knew it! To be fair most of his fics start off really well, they just always derail and either have mid endings or end in ways that drive people nuts. Second Torch is one of his better works, partly because it's an older one.
the Ao3 link isn't just AU but very OOC. I know this fic and it's the equivalent of every edgelord!Naruto gay fanfic.
>>29882>Pyrrha outright states that she liked Jaune because he didn't know who she was and so didn't treat her with the reverence I meant that literally. Given the odds it should have been Ruby, but if they wanted a guy, it could have been Fox or Yatsuhashi for all intents and purposes. Just a decent guy, that's the territory we're in and the reason it feels like a moid is self-inserting.
>It doesn't, it's just a subversion of the typical "girl students crush on the top-student of the school" sort of thing we got with Sasuke. This is exactly why it feels contrived, to have that crush on a wet blanket who develops into a slightly moist blanket with empathy. This is made even more dire by the fact he is terminally unfunny.
>Part of the story is NOT turning the other cheekHe indulges in the cliche about saving his bully, which is so much of a cliche at this point, it should either be subverted or not brought up at all. No one wants to watch Saved By The Bell again.
>she's shown no qualms about expressing her opinion in the face of bossy people or bullies. Neither does Jaune before being threatened. Blackmail plots are designed to manufacture this exact situation, where a character is forced to grovel in front of someone unpleasant, and only reverse this dynamic in a final act of
sex bravery. Honestly it would have lent Ruby more credence as a 15-year old dork.
>You don't need to constantly interact to be narrative foils.His in-person dynamic with Ruby is about the only halfway well-thought out thing about Jaune and they squander it by most of the time relegating Ruby to the character the plot takes a dump on.
>Prior to the incel shite he was fairly obvious an extremistAnd to the writers this meant he was a power-hungry maniac + abusive boyfriend. The people who deny this mentally wrote their own fanfiction for him after the black trailer and are grasping at straws to deny the showrunners being uberlibs.
>Again, you haven't paid attention then.I'm aware they set this up all throughout the second quarter. What they did was show a feared and respected leader lose that in service of a personal vendetta, which we know is retarded for a supposed revolutionary, yet totally in line with their Adam characterization.
>it would be better that relationships NOT be a focus unless it has narrative or plot significance. ReNora is relatively isolated from the larger plot, yet it still works to flesh out the characters and serves as the catalyst for a subplot. If every plot threat is chekhovs hairpin trigger (which is NOT RWBY i'm sure you're aware), you're writing a play not a story. Romance is simply a very large aspect of the human experience, that should be addressed beyond a formulaic prom plot.
>I'd rather eat shitFood metaphors are retarded, but try this: If i didn't like pickles, i'd rather have a burger with pickles than without any salad at all.
>Blake's character from a rebel seeking to change the world without resorting to bloodshed, into this pathetic whiny bitch, who later just becomes Yang's suck-up and shoulder-devilIs it consistent with Blake's and Yang's character development and the writers being libs? Yes. Do i like it? No.
>Ruby, Jaune, Cinder or Weiss aren't shilling literal liberal ideology nearly verbatim or fucking embodying virtue-signalling. You can blame the VAs all you want. It's the writers who wanted to insert this ideology into the show and ostensibly found their "moral compass" in BY.
>Bullheads are common transport for civiliansWould you take a moment to think about the ramifications of this? Civilian transports are always at risk of Grimm attack, therefore, in the case of trains, they hire huntsmen as protection, or, in the case of airships, they are piloted by literal soldiers. The fact huntsmen academies are permitted to own airships, no doubt secured against airborne Grimm, says something about their society. If for the Cinder/WhiteFang/Torchwick alliance, having a couple of mechs is a big deal, they would scarcely have a lot more than than one airship we see in V1E1, putting the fact the academy ferries huntsmen by airship into perspective.
>They do stop crime, but that's not endemic to police; a militia will do the same thing. Which is it then? Do they need permission from the police or a court for things like questioning or did they take in Ruby on a whim in V1E1? Either they're Grimm exterminators or they're the Grimm police (secret police in case of Oz).
>Raven was in the area when The Nuckelavee first began terrorizing MistralChat is this true? While RNJR had the misfortune of crossing it, the wiki states it wiped out everyone in Kuroyuri and the two neighbouring towns, after which it had been chilling in the vicinity ever since. Attacking it would have been the definition of poking a hornet nest.
>She's the fucking Spring Maiden, she can literally call down a thunderstorm and strike people precisely with lightning.Terrible idea. Did you forget the part, where the fall maiden is literally assassinated?
>This is the same shit as those retards that claim Mexican Cartels are "progressive" because they're anti-authoritarianNever mentioned le authoritarianism. Call me when they have marxist guerillias in Remnnant.
>Mistral was literally a slaver country a century before thisWhich is precisely why, in addition to their Grimm-induced shortage of arable land, they need a feudalist revolution, a reconquista by their existing noble class; literally anything that gets armed people to spread out throughout their territory. A strong government could have reformed the huntsmen system into a citizen's militia beholden to local administration, yet Mistral is canonically corrupt and weak outside the capital. Lionhearts betrayal is as much a condemnation of him as of the entire state of the political system sythesized from their previous autocracy and the post-war academy system
Compare Raven to the historical role of the Gothic or Anglo-Saxon tribes, who were for all intents of purposes kleptocractic. What distinguished them from petty bandits, was their national character, the women and children living within their community and their precarious integration into Rome as a militarily capable underclass. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people in the bandit tribes were former huntsmen and became members due to poverty or other systemic defects we don't know about. This is one reason i liked Coeur's fic, because in regards to Torchwick's character, it hints at some of the socio-political worldbuilding the show proper lacks. The overarching Salem conspiracy was their single worst lore decision and it flattens every ideological antagonist to the heroines, from Raven to Ironwood, into a chauvinist badguy, while they remain compassionate goodguys (which no doubt adds up with your gripes about BY).
>>29883>Given the odds it should have been Ruby, but if they wanted a guy I repeat, pay attention to the show and how it was made. Monty deliberately wrote Team JNPR parallel to historical and mythological references to characters that crossdressed; Joan de Arc, Achilles, Thor, Mulan. Jaune was also a foil character to Ruby; he's made fellow Team Leader and since HIS Team ISN'T RWBY he forms relationships with the others, primarily first Pyrrha because Ren and Nora were a background dynamic. There's details on details on why Jaune was written as he was. He starts from the bottom. He's not meant to be this totally likeable Gary-Stu, it's part of his character progression, he fails a lot, is the butt of jokes and generally has to improve as a person in every way and earns it. You can call anything that does this a plot contrivance but that misuses the meaning.
>could have been Fox or Yatsuhashi No, it couldn't have, for a number of reasons in and outside the story. Fox and Yatsu weren't designed yet, are older and don't match up.
>muh moidsTouch grass and don't be a femcel
>why it feels contrived It doesn't. Jaune is ignorant, especially as to who Pyrrha is. Pyrrha is a socially isolated prodigy desperate for normalcy and Jaune fills that niche. It's not just a contrivance because it's part of Pyrrha's character and in some ways a flaw of hers, as her world view about being on a pedestal is what leads to her own death.
>a wet blanket Do you even know what "wet blanket" means?
<a person who spoils other people's fun, enthusiasm, or enjoyment, acting as a damper on social situations or positive energy. Pessimistic or negative, they may doubt new ideas, complain frequently, or refuse to participate in enjoyable activities.Jaune does none of those things, outside of the one arc where he learns to get over the macho attitude of "doing things on my own" and have the humility to accept help from others, he has never been a downer and always had empathy from the beginning.
>he is terminally unfunny To you, because you clearly have some sort of bug up your ass over him
>clicheNot a cliche, but a trope. It's a moment of do or die, where he proves that he's not some whiny loser when push comes to shove. Again this is early Volume 1 when the story is forming, the characters are being introduced, the setting elaborated on and so on.
>it should either be subverted <everything has to be a subversion!Then it's not a subversion, it's just another trope. This is a burger mindset that things can't just exist because 'other things did before'.
>No one wants to watch Saved By The Bell again. You keep saying things like you speak for a majority. Stop using words, terms and references you scarcely understand to make claims that are nonsense.
>Neither does Jaune before being threatened Jaune literally spends an entire scene denying being bullied and doing and saying nothing through a montage of Cardin being an ass. The only time he says anything is during the spar where he's saying a "cool catchphrase" because he's naive and trying to act like a movie character.
>muh blackmail plots And? What of it? Nothing wrong with that.
>in a final act of sex bravery This is lib mentality. Nobody thinks about shit like this unless they're either a complete brain-rotted coomer or a sexuality-obsessed lib that has to make everything crass.
>the only halfway well-thought out thing about Jaune Again, you just make this claim yet your arguments hinges on "I don't like this".
>to the writers this meant he was a power-hungry maniac + abusive boyfriend. Except that's not what his prior portrayal displayed him as. He goes from a radical revolutionary to being a bargain-bin terrorist-incel.
>deny this mentally wrote their own fanfiction for him No, It's well known that Volume 3 was changed from what Monty had originally wrote and later Volumes only doubled down on that.
>show a feared and respected leader lose that in service of a personal vendetta, which we know is retarded for a supposed revolutionary, yet totally in line with their Adam characterization.Except it's retarded for the story, as it turns an important plot about social issues that the White Fang represent and essentially waves a wand and is never thought about again. Adam spoke calmly and decisively. Hell even in Volume 3 he was threatening Blake with a quiet intensity of an executioner. Then up until his death he suddenly starts ranting and raving in a teenage tantrum. It's jarring to anyone paying attention. It's not just Adam who suddenly changes as a character for no good reason. Yang becomes progressively more of an air-headed cunt rather than a rowdy but also thoughtful older sister, Blake goes from the aloof, troubled rebel into a bratty LITERAL princess who virtue signals on others while being a hypocrite. etc.
>it still works to flesh out the characters and serves as the catalyst for a subplot. And? You're proving my point.
>If every plot threat is chekhovs hairpin trigger A ship or potential ship should have NARRATIVE or Plot impact. It's why WhiteRose is stupid; like Catpiss it's just a boring yuritease for smutwriters to wank over.
>consistent with Blake's and Yang's character developmentThat's the point, their character development consists of them changing completely as characters. Yang still holds on a bit in places up to V6, but Blake is known as "shitty kitty" in the fandom because of it.
>If i didn't like pickles, i'd rather have a burger with pickles than without any salad at all. …wat
>You can blame the VAs all you want I can because after Monty died they had a lot of influence because of how interwoven RT and CRWBY staff were. Kerry got in on things because he was "Barb's boobwrangler", Arryn dated Miles and Barbara dated Garrett (my mistake before) and all this makes for a bunch of people meddling in the writing where they shouldn't.
>writers who wanted to insert this ideology into the show The writers are liberals, nobody is denying that. My point is that A) That's not the story Monty was telling B) It's not what RWBY was like prior. It's obvious that Arryn hijacked writing Blake because the liberalism in her plotline is significantly worse than in the RNJR plot.
>Would you take a moment to think about the ramifications of this? Civilian transports are always at risk of Grimm attack, therefore, in the case of trains, they hire huntsmen as protection, or, in the case of airships, they are piloted by literal soldiers. We see that piloting a bullhead is done by pilots, hence their equipment.
>huntsmen academies are permitted to own airships, no doubt secured against airborne Grimm, says something about their society. It doesn't really say anything, and as far as I'm aware those bullheads are not owned by the school, they run out of Vale and serve all of Vale, treated as aerial buses.
>having a couple of mechs is a big deal They had a dozen and The Paladin was literally a cutting-edge new weapon. That makes it a big deal for the rebels with no real military-industrial production.
>they would scarcely have a lot more than than one airship The White Fang literally operated 4 in Volume 1 when raiding the docks for Dust. Penny destroyed like 3 of them. Later Roman escapes his destroyed mech on another Bullhead. Clearly those things are easy to acquire.
>did they take in Ruby on a whim in V1E1? Glynda brought her to the police department because she was involved with a robbery attempt.
>Either they're Grimm exterminators or they're the Grimm police Things are not just black and white, but this is especially stupid. Grimm are soulless monsters. They are exterminated, but they're also an endless horde. Additionally Hunters are people. If some guy is getting mugged and you can stop it easily, why wouldn't you?
>Chat is this true? When RNJR arrive at Shion village, Ren finds the hoofprint of the Nuck at the ruins of the town, implying that after Raven and her band left, it and other Grimm came in. Furthermore at the Nuck's cave we see dozens upon dozens of weapons and banners (including from Shion village) lying around, clearly towns had attempted to kill or defend themselves from it.
>poking a hornet nest. Team RNJR defeated it. Raven is the Spring Maiden and powerful fighter she could literally bisect it casually or freeze it or set it aflame without even coming into its sight.
>the fall maiden is literally assassinated? Amber did not have nearly Raven's control or power and was alone fighting against 3 of some of the best fighters in the series. Raven has her tribe and is clearly powerful enough to fight off anyone 1v1 save another maiden. She also clearly demonstrated the control needed to misdirect people and make them think Vernal was the Spring Maiden instead of her. By having the powers as it was she was a target and she clearly used them at Shion as Qrow states.
>Never mentioned le authoritarianism. It's implicit in the fact that you make out Raven to be progressive for essentially being a renegade.
>they need a feudalist revolution What are you on about. They LITERALLY eliminated the feudal system across Remnant, that was part of the conclusion of the Great War. Huntsmen didn't exist prior to the Great War because the concept was cemented afterwards, as part of the conclusion of the war was due to the Grimm ravaging towns while people were busy fighting each other and the need to refocus a united front against them.
>citizen's militaThere already exist militias and defenses. You're basically discarding a core concept of RWBY. Huntsmen and Huntresses aren't beholden to any administration, they are only beholden to their telling duties.
>Mistral is canonically corrupt and weak outside the capital >Lionhearts betrayal is as much a condemnation of him as of the entire state of the political system sythesized from their previous autocracy and the post-war academy system This is true, but that's the point.
>kleptocractic You're taking the meaning of kleptocratic too literally. The Germanic tribes you speak of were primitive because of their level of socio-economic development and being tribalist. Raven isn't comparable at all; they didn't know anything else, the historical dialectics hadn't progressed enough for them to unify and form feudal systems that inevitably occur. Raven chose to go this route.
>Their national character, the women and children living within their community and their precarious integration into Rome as a militarily capable underclass. Sure. I don't see Raven's relevance to this.
>if a lot of people in the bandit tribes were former huntsmen and became members due to poverty or other systemic defects we don't know about. They're not Huntsmen. They have aura and some training but Qrow explicitly states that he and Raven were sent to Beacon to learn the same skills and abilities as Huntsmen so as to kill them, implying that the tribe didn't have anyone comparable.
>it hints at some of the socio-political worldbuilding the show proper lacks The show does have a bit, especially in Volume 6 as we see with The Spiders. A lot of material was cut out because of V4-6's production was fucked over by Gray Haddock's mismanagement as Animation Department Head. Couer also takes plenty of material from Roman Holiday. Additionally there's material in Grimm Campaign and Arrowfell on corruption and such but that's not IN the show outright sadly.
>The overarching Salem conspiracy was their single worst lore decision Salem has ALWAYS been part of the lore since the first episode.
>flattens every ideological antagonist to the heroines Actually it doesn't. Ironwood as an antagonist wasn't bad because of Salem, it was because of execution.
>>29884>muh monty>muh plvnned from the beginningI don't care for this.
>Jaune literally spends an entire scene denying being bullied and doing and saying nothing through a montage of Cardin being an ass.Him playing it off seems like more of a "won't admit to weaknesss" thing. He doesn't want to respond to the hazing, neither would he not tell CRDL off, if they asked him to do the things he did under the threat of blackmail.
>WhiteRose is stupidWdym? Their V1 dynamic is fire.
>the liberalism in her plotline is significantly worse than in the RNJR plotI can't imagine how they would tie that in on a literal camping trip.
>When RNJR arrive at Shion village, Ren finds the hoofprint of the Nuck at the ruins of the town, implying that after Raven and her band leftSo your assertion Raven made a conscious choice to let the region be destroyed, is based on the assumption that the Grimm, other raiders or even the inhabitants wouldn't be capable of leaving ruins? The gang's initial obliviousness to the Apathy implies a village overtaken by a wave of Grimm would definitely be left a ruin, without the need for any sort of outside intervention.
>Raven has her tribe and is clearly powerful enough to fight off anyone 1v1She knows she would unironically have to deal with a force of nature though. Revealing her identity would paint a target on her back and this is what ostensibly happens after V6, when goes into hiding.
>If some guy is getting mugged and you can stop it easily, why wouldn't you?No you're the burger.
>Huntsmen and Huntresses aren't beholden to any administration, they are only beholden to their telling duties. Which i presume are laid out by the academies, who by convention already command a sizeable portion of huntsmen and huntsman candidates. Of alll of them Ironwood is the one with the most political power, still i think it is implied the headmaster position comes with a substantial amount of power, both in men and resources. How else would they further a century-spanning international (counter?) conspiracy?
>They LITERALLY eliminated the feudal system across Remnant, that was part of the conclusion of the Great War.And i'm saying the material conditions of Mistral warrant a more decentralized kind of "warrior class" than the academy system. The Grimm have literally regressed the state many of regions into that of Terra Nullius and some kind of organized settler class is required to make it productive again. Proto-feudalist banditry seems to me as the solution naturally arising from the Mistrali polity and in my eyes this elevates it above the prospect of their foreign interference or their existing, transplanted political system, at a juncture where large-scale working class or even peasant organization isn't on the table.
>The Germanic tribes you speak of were primitive because of their level of socio-economic development and being tribalist.Regardless they essentially used military might to instate themselves as the despots of land and industry initially cultivated by the declining Roman empire, something you might describe as proto-feudal. Accounts of the Visigothic reign in Hispania are especially brutal, yet it no doubt played a key part in the establishment of manorialism and the supersession of the fragile Roman economy.
>there's material in Grimm Campaign and ArrowfellGood to know. I might play it after i get around to fixing my pc graphics.
>Ironwood as an antagonist wasn't bad because of Salem, it was because of execution.Except it mirrors the Great War lore, in that the threat of Grimm pushes Ironwood to adopt anti-liberal policies, while the gang chides him for dividing humanity. Salem's existence mean he IS playing straight into her plans and it was clear-cut, shortsighted act of villainy of him to abandon Mantle.
>>29885>I don't care for this.And you're not the creator or writer or animator for RWBY, you are an anon on the internet. Either way, strawman non-argument.
>Him playing it off seems like more of a "won't admit to weaknesss" thing You're splitting hairs.
>muh blackmailHappened way after constant hazing and bullying, therefore irrelevant.
>Their V1 dynamic Consists of bickering and reconciliation as Weiss has a character arc. That's not a ship, that's building friendship.
>I can't imagine how they would tie that in on a literal camping trip. It's not that hard; throw in some feminist or racial idpol with various character interactions and you get typical liberal tripe writing. Which they didn't do.
>based on the assumption that the Grimm, other raiders or even the inhabitants wouldn't be capable of leaving ruins? 1) Don't be obtuse, Raven and her band are the ONLY bandits in the story and narratively that's who we are supposed to think of, it doesn't make sense for there to be another random bandit group that is never even shown to have done this.
2) Raven confirms it when Qrow talks about the remains of Shion village and how she has the Spring Maiden in her camp based on the destruction seen. Qrow is familiar with the maiden powers and knows their capabilities.
3) The huntsman that dies in front of RNJR also confirms it was bandits, followed by Grimm.
4) The Apathy is literally the worst example you could pick because they didn't destroy the village at all.
Either way you're coping; Raven knew there were Grimm in the area and did nothing.
>i presume are laid out by the academies You're nitpicking out of spite.
>who by convention already command a sizeable portion of huntsmen and huntsman candidates Again, the Huntsmen are not commanded by the academies, this is explicitly stated.
>the headmaster position comes with a substantial amount of power, both in men and resources. >further a century-spanning international (counter?) conspiracy?
Yeah, leadership positions tend to come with influence, no shit. What's your point? Also The Academies were founded just over 80s years before the present of RWBY. There were no Academy Headmasters before this.
>the material conditions of Mistral warrant a more decentralized kind of "warrior class" than the academy system. THEY'RE ALREADY DECENTRALIZED; THE ACADEMY CANNOT DICTATE WHAT THEY DO AFTER GRADUATION AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO ATTEND AN ACADEMY TO BECOME A HUNTSMAN.
>Grimm have literally regressed the state many of regions into that of Terra Nullius and some kind of organized settler class is required to make it productive again 1) This was caused by The Great War leading to dozens of settlements being wiped out due to division of people.
2) THEY HAVE been trying this. Argus was built precisely by Atlas and Mistral reclaiming that territory from the Grimm, Mountain Glenn was an attempt at that and was sabotaged. We literally see new and fallen settlements in Mistral and Vale in the main show, the comics and in the LNs.
>Proto-feudalist banditry seems to me as the solution naturallyStop right there you discount AnPrim. The solution is never "lets become tribal bandits" THAT is reactionary and anti-proletarian.
>in my eyes this elevates it above the prospect of their foreign interference or their existing, transplanted political system Then you haven't studied history or theory for shit. Banditry becomes war-lord feudalism, the idea that this will become anything but a constantly collapsing shithole of loose rural villages and barricaded towns is laughable. Read the /edu/ thread on feudal Japan for a good understanding of what life was like for peasants then.
>where large-scale working class or even peasant organization isn't on the table. Why the fuck isn't it?
>Accounts of the Visigothic reign in Hispania are especially brutal, yet it no doubt played a key part in the establishment of manorialism and the supersession of the fragile Roman economy. And what changed from the Roman Empire? Functionally nothing except The Romans had literacy and a large technological / industrial base. The various North-European tribes replicated Rome's social-structure in the Medieval Era, but without those it essentially relied only on peasant economy and artisan craftsmen with no proper organization. It was literally a step down from Rome's socio-economic system in terms of progress. There's good reason why it gets called the Dark Ages, despite modern liberal crying.
>it mirrors the Great War lore, in that the threat of Grimm pushes Ironwood to adopt anti-liberal policies >Salem's existence mean he IS playing straight into her plans History is a spiral, so it mirroring that is fine. Salem or not, the grimm are a mass threat. However the reason people say it's because of shit execution is BECAUSE of shit execution. The plot goes out of its way to have a parallel to the 2016 US Election because RT had gone off the rails. Then we have Ironwood doing retarded things that are out of character for him or his way of thinking. He's a military tactician trying to think strategically, yet somehow doesn't seem to understand that due to proximity, protecting Mantle protects Atlas, and so deploying ships there would be perfectly fine. This is entirely contradictive to how he thinks, in part because RT doesn't understand how military commanders are supposed to think.
>it was clear-cut, shortsighted act of villainy of him to abandon Mantle. And it made no fucking sense. His whole flaw and moral was being the "tinman that lost his heart" and whose paranoia got the better of him and who was ready to sacrifice anything to achieve his goals. Yet instead his goals shift, his behavior and actions shift and stop making any rational sense, especially the abandonment of Mantle and more importantly insisting on nuking Mantle regardless, despite Salem and Monstro getting nuked by Oz. It's shit writing that doesn't match his character.
>>29886>That's not a ship, that's building friendship.Ok mr. "dating isn't about friendship".
>throw in some feminist or racial idpol with various character interactions and you get typical liberal tripe writing.You're livid. The menagerie plot never brings up le feminism, except maybe Blake lowkey antagonizing Sun, which is never framed in any serious way. It's a simple case of Play stupid fantasy racism games / Win stupid libshit prizes.
>The Academies were foundedThat's the point. They're supposed to be Oz's vehicle to further his plot. We know at the start of the story he has 3 maidens, 4 academies + staff, the military might of all of Atlas and at least 1 federal agent. What else?
>THEY'RE ALREADY DECENTRALIZEDFrom the wiki:
>Some gifted Huntsmen, such as Maria Calavera, can acquire their licenses by taking a licensing exam, forgoing the need to attend the academies.>In some rare cases, the Headmasters of the academies can grant individuals their licenses without the need for a proper graduation or taking the licensing exam, as was the case with James Ironwood who granted Teams RWBY and JNR their licenses after arriving in Atlas.Academies are explicitely stated to be the site of a Mandarin-esque examination system. I don't see how that could go wrong…
>We literally see new and fallen settlementsAnd this is the problem. As of 80 years Vale and Atlas form a cushy imperial core, while Mistral and Vacuo continue to be laid to waste. This is why i expressly advocated for feudalism, the historical movement that made large swathes of land productive without a profit motive, because capitalists will already have done the math and found it a losing proposition.
>Why the fuck isn't it? If it was, they would come and seize their opportunity. Mistral already is a literal failed state outside the capital.
>There's good reason why it gets called the Dark AgesStop being a Romaboo. Their economy was literally dependent on a constant influx of slaves for most of its live. Only the political and technical innovations brought by feudalism made a large-scale pastoral lifestyle viable within all of Europe. Actual medievalists, like liberal darling Grover Furr for instance, are very vocal about this
https://academic.oup.com/book/8856/chapter-abstract/155073303>literacyYou act like monasticism, the Islamic scientific revolution and East Rome didn't come as an exact result of the spread of Latin literature and were responsible for measureless theoretical innovation in their own right.
>large technological / industrial baseNever happened. The Roman industrial base was even more scattered and artisinal than the medieval one. When people fish for technological progress, they mostly look at marvels produced for entertainment in places like Alexandria, which don't accurately represent the piecemeal advancement of the productive forces, that actually took place.
>History is a spiralThing is writers are liberals, so anti-liberalism is le bad on the face of it. What decision could they even set up with his
semblance posturing?
- Telling the world about Salem? The gang already did that.
- Militarizing his society? Always has been.
- Sending the Atlas military into other kingdoms? That could be a productive gamble, but would mean directly reneging on his earlier promise.
I don't see how they could have written themselves out of that, apart from a stupid bout of national chauvinism.
>>29887>mr. "dating isn't about friendship".You're shifting goalposts.
>You're livid No, I'm annoyed because you're being a liberal while calling the writers liberal.
>The menagerie plot never brings up le feminism I never said it did. You said you "couldn't imagine" how the writers could make the plot liberal for RNJR, I provided a broad example of how, we see that in later Volumes. Again, stop putting words in my figurative mouth.
>which is never framed in any serious way. She literally slaps him around 3 times, and not playfully but angrily. That's only 'not serious' because the writers bend over backwards to have characters simp for Blake.
>They're supposed to be Oz's vehicle to further his plot. We know at the start of the story he has 3 maidens, 4 academies + staff, the military might of all of Atlas and at least 1 federal agent. You're just ignoring everything I'm saying on the details, up to and including the fact that he does not, in fact "have 3 maidens 4 academies and staff and Atlas' military" Ironwood straight up defies him in bringing the Atlesian Fleet to Vale and then uses The Breach to have the Valean council remove him from security operations for Vytal Festival. The only 'control' he has is in the sense that the other Headmasters protect the Vaults. And he didn't have 3 maidens; he had 1 and then 1/2 a maiden in Amber and 1 in reserve status with the literal nursing home resident Fria. Ozpin had no idea what Penny was until the last moment when it was too late.
>Academies are explicitely stated to be the site of a Mandarin-esque examination system. Explicitly stated where? This is mentioned nowhere. An exam for a license is fairly normal to be state regulated, since you have to pass regulations for ability to get the license.
>As of 80 years Vale and Atlas form a cushy imperial core <Isolated city-states acting as fortresses against the Grimm <ImperialDo you know what imperialism even is? This makes literally no fucking sense because there are no periphery nations (except MAYBE Menagerie) that they could be exerting imperial influence over and a primary complaint about Menagerie from Blake is that its left on its own. The only state that technically follows the definition of being Imperial is Atlas and even then its missing the export of capital. We see no oligarchy in Vale or Mistral and particularly Vacuo.
>why i expressly advocated for feudalism And you're an idiot. Read Marx. You're literally advocating for a REACTIONARY action. Hell we literally see it in Vacuo with The Crown.
>made large swathes of land productive without a profit motive <Feudalism<without a profit motive Every successful feudal lord constantly expands and accumulates more and more resources and power, including for increasing trade and so providing more. The primary difference is that rather than financial profit, it's resources and manpower.
Cockshott also isn't talking about societies or groups that 'return' to feudalism because he is discussing societies that progressed to the point of feudalism in their socio-economic development. A society that advanced past feudalism into capitalism, then reverts back is regressive and worse; the people of the past did not know any better as socio-economic development hadn't progressed enough yet, but going back is just warlordism. Congratulations, a return to slavery in Mistral!
>Stop being a Romaboo. I am not. From a socio-economic perspective Rome was more advanced than Northern Europe. This is a historical fact. Stop being a liberal. Liberal historians whine about it being called the Dark Ages, but what do you call it when most of the population stopped being literate, industrial and technological progress ceased and regressed and even art regressed in a technical aspect.
>Their economy was literally dependent on a constant influx of slaves for most of its live I am well aware, given that I wrote a thesis on that. Slavery in Rome is not the same as chattel slavery in the USA. Peasantry in Feudalism were in no better condition; slaves in Rome were defined as being property without citizenship rights, the details past that were irrelevant. Peasantry were only not "slaves" because there lacked a legal infrastructure to define them as such but serfs and most other Peasants were functionally slaves, including their being property of the lords that could be sold to other lords and punished with impunity by their 'betters'. This is seen in Imperial Feudal Russia up to the Revolution.
>Only the political and technical innovations brought by feudalism made a large-scale pastoral lifestyle viable within all of Europe You really didn't closely read what you posted
>"These developments pushed up physical output, but mostly had a negative effect on living standards." None of this contradicts what I said about Feudalism and socio-economic development.
>You act like monasticism, the Islamic scientific revolution and East Rome didn't come as an exact result of the spread of Latin literature and were responsible for measureless theoretical innovation in their own right. No I did not. East Rome IS directly Roman culture, are you daft? Furthermore we were speaking of Medieval, feudal Europe after the Roman Empire, specifically in the context of Germanic tribes and the rise of North-European Monarchies.
Monasticism primarily preserved old knowledge and for a long time was exclusive privilege for religious institutions and even kings and nobility were illiterate for a long time. The first modern Universities didn't open until centuries after Rome had fell. University of Paris opened in the 12th century, around the same time as feudalism was beginning what would lead to the transition into capitalism as market economies and finance became more and more prominent.
Finally the Islamic states were not feudal and in fact had many aspects that would become central in capitalism, such as a great focus on markets and trade and accumulation of capital (including financial capital).
>The Roman industrial base was even more scattered and artisinal than the medieval one. Yeah you're just outright talking out of your ass at this point. Do you know how the Aqueducts were constructed? They required large machines, standardized design, precise measurement and all in large quantities. This could not be and was not handled by artisan craftsmen, this was done through an organized system where different roles were handled by different sets of people, stone-masons, crane operators, architects and laborers who did the dirty work. Within the stonework, metal piping was laid, filtration and settling facilities were built and maintained, etc. Then there was the production of Roman cement. These aqueducts are demonstration of industrial ability on its own, but on top of that the water was used to power industry; mills, fulling, irrigation of fields and even using it to assist in mining and rock processing. It's primitive by modern standards but far ahead of what would exist when the Medieval Ages began. It took centuries for much of this to be reinnovated in Europe and some aspects like metal piping only returned centuries AFTER the Medieval Age.
So in short the only one 'fishing' is you.
>What decision could they even set up with his posturing? To be honest almost the entire plot of V7/8 should have been rewritten for nearly every character. But that's a whole essay. Even just adjusting Ironwood's actions would still fix some of it. You struck out semblance, but that's precisely the crux of it. Rather than make him a schizo, have him be coldly rational the more he goes on; as I said a reversal of the Tinman is a part of this. To repost an older take from 8moe /rwby/: Ironwood was essentially rewritten to ignore any rational consistency, yet his semblance is supposed to lock him INTO rational decisions. Ironwood would and should be a character that makes hard decisions but also fights to the end, not "run from Salem into the sky."
1) Rather than abandoning Mantle, lock it down and place the population into camps "for their protection" and have officers filter people on who can go up to Atlas (as a primary concern of Ironwood's about the evacuation of Mantle was allowing in agents of Salem). From here its easy to have citizens of Mantle rejected because they have connections to a criminal past or political dissent or being immigrants from another part of Remnant or being a faunus etc.
2) Do not have him allow Watts to hack Penny unsupervised, Watt's is a personal and direct enemy, and asset or not, Ironwood would have to be a literal retard to not have some sort of cybersecurity monitoring all computer access of Watts.
3) The nuke; rather than slowly and stupidly transporting it over the ground, I think it would be much more logical for Ironwood to have a suicide run on a bullhead flying straight into Monstro. They could still have the need for the bomb be cancelled but at the very least it would demonstrate the idea of Ironwood growing heartless and truly sacrificing things for the purpose of defeating Salem as well as the motif of 'No victory in strength' that has been central to the story.
4) Ironwood abandoning the Amity plan makes no sense either. He's precisely the type to double down on something, especially something as resource heavy and important as that. Rather than abandon the plan, it's more likely that a floating asset like Amity would be something he would want to use for something else, make it a centralized battle-station or something, or use it to hold people evacuated from Mantle for filtration or something.
5) If they nuke Mantle then it should have been because Grimm had surrounded and overrun almost all of it and the unevacuated people were trapped in the middle. The threat of the Grimm reaching Atlas through Mantle would make abandoning it pragmatic and nuking it a good way to put a dent in the enemy forces from a rational point of view.
TL;DR: Rampant pragmatism has people become treated as chess pieces. Having Ironwood become a cold pragmatist in the face of Salem's threat and therefore be at odds with Team RWBYJNRO would make sense because they (or rather Ruby and Jaune) are idealists who try to save everyone. Team RWBY isn't supposed to win this either in part because the idealism of "save everyone" is impossible (a lesson we get in Volume 9, how THAT was written is a separate discussion). Anyway there; 5 ways to significantly improve Ironwood as an antagonist in V7/8 without significantly changing other aspects of the plot. His actions have to be rational to his own purpose, that's it.
>>29891>Do you know what imperialism even is?It is heavily implied Atlas and Vale both produce 21st century level tech (even though with the existence of dust you, could make the case they're technically at a lower stage of industrial development, like if steampunk was real). Despite most likely being a backwards peasant economy, Mistral still imports most of these products. I would honestly be surprised if there weren't imperial relations of productions. Also they have a literal Atlesian settler colony.
>Every successful feudal lord constantly expands and accumulates more and more resources and powerYet ultimately the requirements for a landlord to "profit" from his manor were a lot looser than those of a modern family farm. Given Remnant, this is especially true for the amount of labor a capitalist farm or plantation would have to hire (recall the capitalist bias to minimize capital expenditure). I'm asserting they wouldn't strictly need to profit, only "break even", before the land has been sufficiently developed.
>Cockshott also isn't talking about societies or groups that 'return'Except he is explaining why it made for sense for former Roman territories to abolish their slave economy and limited commodity production in favour of manorialism. Historical necessity doesn't care for urban life or individual living standards. It conforms to the material conditions and how the currrent means of production may be most effectively employed.
>just warlordismYou're also ignoring the examples of semi-feudalism under despotic states. Both the Byzantine Empire and the later Ottoman Empire followed a despotic style of government, where the a significant part of the diet and wars were financed from the personal wealth of its rulers. At various points this necessitated the distribution of land as payment for their armies, and while Rome had had similar systems in place, they remained tied to the slave economy at the time. This is what i mean with material conditions: These states were advanced enough for manorialism to be productive, yet underdeveloped enough for family farms or commercial plantations to not be viable. This IS the case in Mistral; family farms get trounced by Grimm.
>industrial and technological progress ceased and regressed and Not on a greater scale. What you see as the advancements of Rome having been "lost" never existed outside the scarce few Roman cities and was entirely dependent on the surplus from slave economy. The feudal economy established a comparatively lower level of wealth throughout ALL of Europe, being largely responsible for the fact it's an area with such a dense population today.
>even art regressed in a technical aspectRomanistic churches were raised in places, that would have been bumfuck nowhere during the entire life of the Western Roman empire. Masonry and decorative painting continued to be practiced, mosaics continued to be created in wealthy Mediterranean towns. Did you expect them to build fucking Trajan's column in every town?
>This could not be and was not handled by artisan craftsmen, this was done through an organized system where different roles were handled by different sets of people, stone-masons, crane operators, architects and laborers who did the dirty work.All throughout history large public works, like the Pyramids, required a similar distribution of labor. I don't call them artisinal because they weren't engaged in a proto-manufactural type of work, i call them that because the skilled masons working on those projects were not wage laborers. They would be more accurately be described as contractors, in fact mason's marks have been found in Egypt and ancient Rome (see
https://www.academia.edu/44109153/Stonemasons_and_their_Marks_in_Roman_Syria_Palaestina_and_Arabia).
>Having Ironwood become a cold pragmatist in the face of Salem's threat and therefore be at odds with Team RWBYJNROYeah, good fanfiction, but no one in CRWBY has ever had a clue about realpolitik.
>>29893>Despite most likely being a backwards peasant economy, Mistral still imports most of these products.>It is heavily implied Atlas and Vale both produce 21st century level tech I think it's implied that ALL the kingdoms produce their own tech, which is why Valean, Mistrali and Atlesian bullheads differ significantly in design. Atlas is the highest in technological advancement and production, but is also the most limited in easily available resources.
I don't think we see anything about Mistral or any of the other countries being peasant economies, it's fairly obviously implied that they're all varying levels of capitalist market economies.
>they have a literal Atlesian settler colony. Sakai is glowie-shit, get his brainworms out of your head. This is called a military outpost not a colony.
>ultimately the requirements for a landlord to "profit" from his manor were a lot looser than those of a modern family farm In the past yes, because loose requirements were a benefit and because social progress hadn't reached that level yet.
>they wouldn't strictly need to profit, only "break even", before the land has been sufficiently developed. No, they wouldn't. Any farmer or rancher can tell you that you don't go for 'break even' in farming for a multitude of reasons; reserves in case of hard times, surplus to sell or use out of necessity to acquire something, basic human wants that turn life from 'surviving' into 'living'. Your essay that you posted literally talks about this.
>Historical necessity doesn't care for urban life or individual living standards. Key word here, HISTORICAL NECESSITY. Societies regressed because of Rome's social collapse and were forced to reorganize into the feudal system we get in the Medieval Age. This wasn't a conscious choice and is not the same as a modern capitalist society reverting to feudalism; see post-apocalyptic dystopias.
>ignoring the examples of semi-feudalism under despotic states. <Byzantium It was closer to capitalist or a bureacracy than feudalism, modernizing the Roman structure.
>OttomansThe Ottoman Empire formed at the end of the Middle Ages and is in no way comparable; they didn't innovate jack shit, they took it from older islamic states and non-islamic ones. The Ottomans essentially inherited infrastructure from preceding societies. Ottomans and early Byzantines also had slave-dependent economies, they were simply reduced in scale compared to Rome because it stopped being convenient as material conditions progressed.
>family farms get trounced by Grimm. We see just several villages functioning (such as Oscar's farm); the problem is that IRL history never had to deal with millions of soulless monsters seeking humanities destruction and nothing else. This significantly changes societal development and needs because the material conditions are different. This also doesn't account for Dust, Aura and Semblances, which allow individuals to essentially be super-soldiers. This shifts the balance of power.
Finally the bandit-feudalism you spoke of with Raven is not the same as Byzantium or any other state arising from/after the decay of Rome. Those weren't a random conglomeration of random criminals, in the case of the Germanic peoples they were actual tribes with histories and their own cultures that led into their feudal development, the Byzantines and Ottomans inherited infrastructure and culture from their predecessors.
Mistrali bandits would literally just be a crime syndicate and run like a crime syndicate.
>Not on a greater scale. You're nitpicking and ignoring my point. I already stated that Roman mass industry wasn't huge, but it existed and was significantly advanced for its time. The processing of making concrete for example would be lost for centuries and the Roman specific method was only recently rediscovered. Iron ore mining and processing at its peak was unsurpassed until the Industrial Revolution, reaching thousands of tons.
>never existed outside the scarce few Roman cities You are incorrect. We know of 200+ acqueducts constructed by Romans across the Mediterranean in Italy, Spain, France, The Middle East, North Africa and so on this isn't including possible ones that were destroyed and lost to time as has happened many times. These advancements were unknown and forgotten.
>entirely dependent on the surplus from slave economy. Most of this required skilled labour, a slave economy on its own could never replicate that. This only started being restored in the late Medieval Age when metal-working reached a higher level and simultaneous technological advancement occurred.
>being largely responsible for the fact it's an area with such a dense population today. <Small area with long-time populations living in an area will become densely populated over milleniaNo shit. Again, there are no Grimm IRL to fuck with that.
>Masonry and decorative painting continued to be practiced, mosaics continued to be created in wealthy Mediterranean towns. You misunderstand outside of Byzantium or areas with socio-economical and cultural development independent of Rome (Middle East), mosaics and other art was NEVER on the same technical level as it was during Rome's time UNTIL the Renaissance. That church you posted? I didn't know which one it was until I searched the image but just from looking at it I could tell you it was a renaissance era construction, because of the technical level of the art. This was not the case before that because the majority of churches were constructed at length by ordinary laymen and the art inside was usually done by them too using temperamental and difficult mediums of Tempura applied to wood, metal and vellum
This doesn't make it not art, because true art is eternally beautiful regardless of technical skill, but from a technique aspect is a regression.
Human anatomy and poses were awkward; too many ribs, a few too many fingers, crossed eyes, too long bodies, perspective relative to the background made them giants, an animal that could be a donkey looks little different from a depiction of a dog in another scene. The list goes on. It's not just a stylization, it's a lack of skill because the degradation of the Roman Empire lead to a lack of support for art.
Compare the Early 15th century German statue of The Virgin and Child
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/466144 to Augustus Prima Porta (1 AD)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_of_Prima_Porta?useskin=vector The latter is from a technical aspect a superior work, and would only be replicated in the mid 15th century by the likes of Michelangelo. The technically imperfect The Tribute Money (1425) by Masaccio was a massive leap forward in terms of technique and finally reached parity with paintings of Ancient Rome like The Punishment of Ixion.
>Did you expect them to build fucking Trajan's column in every town?No, but there's a distinct LACK of statues, murals, mosaics, frescos and other art of the same technical skill level as the Romans had, in Early/Middle Medieval art. I still have my books and walked through dozens of museums over and over studying this for my own interest. The contrast is distinct and visible.
Again, this isn't to say that the Medieval works of art are inferior AS ART. Art remains Art. I only speak of it from a technique aspect.
>large public works, like the Pyramids, required a similar distribution of labor. >They would be more accurately be described as contractors, in fact mason's marks have been found in Egypt and ancient Rome I am aware of those marks, I mentioned stone masons specifically with those marks in mind. Egypt is underestimated in this regard in the same way as you understate Rome. These masons were not just independent artisans, they were part of an organized class of skilled labor not only paid for commissioned works but also for mass production of more minor needs like simple stone-work for houses as well as for such grand projects. As I stated, it's obviously much more limited compared to modern day definitions of industrial society, but for the time it was incredible advancement and organization, without which Rome could never have even attempted to build such complex structures. The grand stone castles of the Medieval age didn't rise up overnight, their progress took centuries and construction took decades to replicate the scale and quality of work that Romans built in less time (comparably). The idea that skills cannot be lost and progress regress is historical fact, the same can be said of many North African kingdoms that went from powerhouses in their locale to essentially shadows of themselves over the centuries.
>good fanfiction That's the issue, it's what the intent WAS.
>no one in CRWBY has ever had a clue about realpolitik. Maybe, maybe not, either way in V7/8 they dropped the ball in execution, but functionally it could be written where Ironwood as antagonist is not damaged by Salem's story presence.
>>29894>Any farmer or rancher can tell you that you don't go for 'break even' in farming for a multitude of reasonsI was speaking in terms of monetary profit, as a reason for why feudalism offers stronger incentives than capitalism for developing the land. If you would consult the third book of Capital (i think), profit is something that explicitly needs to be realized. Land in itself and by extension manors under feudalism don't yield profit, they yield rent in the form of natural produce. This output is subject to the fluctuations and "crises" of the natural world, but by a far FAR lesser extent than the price of commodities in a capitalist economy. While market dynamics remain within feudalism, they need not apply to its productive base.
>Societies regressed because of Rome's social collapse.Rome's social collapse followed from the slow-motion collapse of its political economy. The reason i kept coming back to the slave economy wasn't a moral objection, it was to stress the inevitable trajectory towards collapse, that had been set up by it. The Roman slave economy produced a societal surplus, affording free Romans to pursue labor previously unfeasible within their predominantly agrarian productive base. When the supply of cheap slaves dried up, so did this surplus, and it became progressively harder and ultimately impossible to sustain Roman infrastructure, industry and armies. Feudalist economy not only picked up the pieces after this century-long adventure, it also became the productive motor (mill?), developing previously inarable land and making literal leaps in the development of new farming techniques, that made something like the Renaissance possible in the first place.
>Finally the bandit-feudalism you spoke of with Raven is not the same as Byzantium or any other state arising from/after the decay of Rome.You think they could not lay hold of the ready-made political machinery of the capital and divide up their fiefdoms from there?
>You are incorrect. We know of 200+ acqueducts constructed by Romans across the Mediterranean in Italy, Spain, France, The Middle East, North AfricaMy point is the Roman population was a lot more clustered around urban centers. The Carolingian Empire is estimated to have had a slightly lower population density, presumably with a much smaller urban population. Again i stress the importance of the stability this brought: Having a rural population capable of feeding itself is preferable to an urban population, when the same cannot be said in the long-term; that was the impetus behind the decline of many Roman cities.
>You misunderstand outside of Byzantium or areas with socio-economical and cultural development independent of Rome (Middle East), mosaics and other art was NEVER on the same technical level as it was during Rome's time UNTIL the Renaissance.Patently untrue, as the former Roman core stayed in contact with Byzantium all up until its fall. They sent a princess to Theodoric, briefly made the region a vassal state and were diplomatically engaged with everyone from the Lombards to the Franks and most important of all: the papacy. All throughout this time Italy was under a large amount of Byzantian cultural influence, even receiving their architects as guests at multiple points.
>I could tell you it was a renaissance era constructionLmao. Did you just stop reading, after you found a mention of the Ottonian "Renaissance"? Its construction took place around 961 and 1130. The existence of the term Carolingian Renaissance, which oversaw the first building phase of the Aachen cathedral in 798, should correct your warped view of early medieval architecture. Not to mention Romanesque, hall churches, Gothic architecture, icon painting, Mudejar, Pietas and a lot of other lifelike, often wooden statues all emerged before any Renaissance movements. Most Roman villas, arcades, temples and basilicas are moot in comparison.
>there's a distinct LACK of statues, murals, mosaics, frescosYou ever wonder why most baltic churches are constructed either from wood or red brick? Other building materials are relatively scarce to come by in that region. The same can be said in regards to marble for LITERALLY ANYWHERE EXCEPT ITALY (and some parts of spain). Northern European medieval churches didn't incorporate Roman-era marble pillars because "muh stagnation", but because transporting the material would have be the bottleneck either way. The same for mosaics except from a cultural standpoint: Ravenna never stopped producing tesserae.
>>29895>I was speaking in terms of monetary profit Same thing at the end of the day money or grain 'breaking even' is never the goal, because that can only be viable in a ideal closed system without external factors from stuff like wheat rust other harvest damage, to the need to live through winter and the ability to buy things that you cannot make or grow.
>Land in itself and by extension manors under feudalism don't yield profit, they yield rent in the form of natural produce. Obviously, but you make profit by gaining enough money or natural produce to not only break even but exceed the investiture placed into a property. That's why even medieval kingdoms had taxes.
>While market dynamics remain within feudalism, they need not apply to its productive base. Again this requires people to be working together on an equal level in a community, not peasants serving lords.
>Rome's social collapse followed from the slow-motion collapse of its political economy. That is why I referred to it as socio-economics.
>stress the inevitable trajectory towards collapse, that had been set up by it Of course it was inevitable, but that doesn't mean societies didn't regress from a dialectical-materialism standpoint.
>affording free Romans to pursue labor previously unfeasible within their predominantly agrarian productive base. And Feudalism made it that even fewer could afford to pursue non-base labour that allowed for advancement or maintenance or advancement of culture.
>developing previously inarable land and making literal leaps in the development of new farming techniques It didn't so much as leap with farming techniques so much as broaden in scale utilizing the untapped resources of the North. True agricultural revolution that helped fund the renaissance only came about in the Late Middle Ages as societies regained cultural advancement.
>think they could not lay hold of the ready-made political machinery of the capital and divide up their fiefdoms from there? That's not what I meant, what I mean is that Byzantium was a natural progression from an existing imperial infrastructure, the same applying to the Ottomans. They did not go from Capitalism and return to Feudalism, which is what you're (in essence) proposing.
>Roman population was a lot more clustered around urban centers. That's true of almost all societies. Medieval ones in Northern Europe only had less urban centralization because of much lower social development by comparison. The majority of populations surrounded larger towns and fortifications.
>Having a rural population capable of feeding itself is preferable to an urban population Obviously, but a rural population was and is more vulnerable to banditism and for Remnant; The Grimm.
>the former Roman core stayed in contact with Byzantium all up until its fall Perhaps, but being "in contact" is not the same as
>Its construction took place around 961 and 1130. I was speaking of the layout and the mural itself. Obviously the actual cathedral was laid down earlier, you're not that stupid, but the style of the murals from the coloration to the formatting is clearly something based in the Renaissance era and was the final touch of the 12-13th century construction that added the Western Apse to begin with.
>your warped view of early medieval architecture My 'warped view' is based on actually having walked these. Many of the examples of Carolingian Renaissance construction are restored and modified over the centuries. Gothic architecture is specifically from the beginning of the renaissance era (starting from the 12th century) so your point is moot. Mudejar is a fucking idiotic reference because A) it originated from Islamic culture and architecture combining with the remnants of Roman and Grecian styles. B) It developed in the LATE Medieval Age-beginning of the Renaissance. Again Proving my point. Icon Painting again proves my point because for centuries icons were very much full of technical flaws for a myriad of reasons. I have handled and seen over a hundred icons including Grecian/Byzantine and Slavic ones from all sorts of time periods, and for many centuries they did not have the best technical appearance; distortions of perspective, crooked faces and eyes etc. Part of this came from Medieval Christian ideology with God as the most important thing, the human body was profane and sinful, nature unimportant, only god and his symbols were important, and therefore things like artistic study of anatomy and perspective were less important. Islam took it to an extreme, where almost any depiction of people was all but banned (false idols and so on), leaving only intricate geometric patterns, hence why there is comparably little portraiture or human depiction from Islamic states of the era.
>lifelike, often wooden statues all emerged before any Renaissance movements Haha no. If you actually view these statues many are not life-like. They're beautiful but there are anatomical flaws that are caused by the fact that their sculptors were self-taught. I literally provided an example of each.
>ever wonder why most baltic churches are constructed either from wood or red brick? I'm well aware of the reasons, given my country of origin.
>Northern European medieval churches didn't incorporate Roman-era marble pillars I wasn't talking about fucking marble pillars, I never even mentioned them. Frescos, Murals, Mosaics and Statues are not endemic to Roman and Byzantine art. Your own fucking example image is a demonstration of that.
>Ravenna never stopped producing tesserae. No, however again, in most medieval areas not Byzantine or influenced by the Middle East, the scale and TECHNICAL SKILL of these works paled in comparison to the past for several centuries until feudal states materially developed to support more skilled artistry.
>>29896>That's why even medieval kingdoms had taxes.We're talking about early-medieval feudalism, where any monetary systems had collapsed, and the economic and social stability afforded by feudalism actually mattered.
>Of course it was inevitable, but that doesn't mean societies didn't regress from a dialectical-materialism standpoint. Despite initially lower surpluses (due to aforementioned external factors), feudalism objectively advanced the relations of production. It emerged precisely because it most effectively utilized societal resources at the time of its inception. In fact any lasting societal progress lags behind the development of the agricultural base; advancing without such a firm foundation would be blatant adventurism.
>It didn't so much as leap with farming techniquesMedieval ploughs and crop rotation especially were objectively leaps. The consensus is, despite the primacy of agriculture, some hunter-gatherer activity continued being necesssary until their advent.
>Medieval ones in Northern Europe only had less urban centralization because of much lower social development by comparison.The centres were far larger in number, therefore they had more capacity in growth when the pace of the productive forces picked up again. They were smallpoxing in civ terms.
>the formatting is clearly something based in the Renaissance era and was the final touch of the 12-13th century constructionI don't get why you're so insistent of dating back the Renaissance far before any time i've seen it outlined before. Far from social fetters, the fidelity of high-medieval art in comparison of that from the early medieval period, can be directly traced back to the emergence of large-scale, high-volume trade and the wealth concentrated in the many urban centres as a result. Frescos were also largely a fad north of the Alps and i don't know of any mosaics outside of Orthodox churches either.
>Byzantium was a natural progression from an existing imperial infrastructureWe know canonically most parts of Remnant are already controlled or heavily greased by crime syndicates. Presumably they would extract profit from protection rackets, hijaking trade and appropriating reserves, which should result in something of a death spiral. Giving undeveloped land as property as a fief to these people, would on the one hand formalize already existing relations, actually engage them in the labor of protection and also provide an incentive not to lay the whole kingdom to waste. As-is Mistral is at an impasse.
>Obviously, but a rural population was and is more vulnerable to banditism and for Remnant; The Grimm. You said it yourself: The people of Remnant have Dust, Aura and Semblances, all things that are no use to an untrained peasant.
>>29897>We're talking about early-medieval feudalism, where any monetary systems had collapsed, and the economic and social stability afforded by feudalism actually mattered. Taxes are not necessarily paid in money, in fact most peasants could never afford to pay it with money in the Medieval age outright. It was paid to the Church and State with agricultural and livestock produce. In essence it was a racket like with the Mafia… or modern capitalist states today; you live on our land so you pay for your 'protection' and for residing here or you get hurt. Why do you think Robin Hood was created and became a popular folk character? Honestly with how hard you argue for feudalism in this context, you sound like an ancap.
>any lasting societal progress lags behind the development of the agricultural base; advancing without such a firm foundation would be blatant adventurism. Rome didn't advance without firm foundation, if it did then it wouldn't have lasted for the greater part of a millenia.
>crop rotationFFS that's not an early medieval thing, that happened in Rome too since at least ~200BC The Medieval system simply solidified the 3 field system that late-Rome did. The 4 field system was part of the Agricultural Revolution, during the Enlightenment and after The Renaissance.
>plough Ploughs have been around since mankind first began to work the earth in earnest. Medieval plows were developments of existing Roman plows. These are not significant by any
leap of the imagination.
>some hunter-gatherer activity continued being necessary until their advent. HAHAHA Hunter-gatherer activity continued throughout the early and middle Medieval Age, but slowly stopped being relevant later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJnIZiH5fyM >why you're so insistent of dating back the Renaissance far before any time i've seen it outlined before. I'm not dating it back further. The Renaissance is widely acknowledged to have begun officially in 1350 as defined by Italian historians during the 15th century, however the ProtoRenaissance began earlier than that, as early as 1200 in places like Tuscany. This was called (in Italy) the Duecento as merchant economies grew and scholarship began to grow past just monastic practices and scribes; with nobility beginning to be educated as well, picking up late what rulers like Charlemagne pushed for. People like Dante Alighieri, Giotto and Giovanni Villani began their work then.
>Far from social fetters Do you know why the Renaissance is considered different socially aside from the economics? The focus on humanism and anthropocentrism that was a marked difference from before, while depictions of christian symbols and stories continued to feature prominently, the way they were depicted changed and many other things of non-religious character were painted. Trade and other things just facilitated the allowance for such social (re)development.
>Frescos were also largely a fad north of the Alps It's an example, I could spend all day listing the different types of old artistry used to decorate Medieval churches. That's not the point.
>We know canonically most parts of Remnant are already controlled or heavily greased by crime syndicates. Crime syndicates operating underground with rackets is not the same as outright feudalism. That's literal cartel shit and it's outright demonstrated that these criminal elements are crushed if they get too big for their britches; The Crown, the plot of Arrowfell, hell Lionheart became famous because he destroyed Mistrali criminal syndicates so badly that they're a shadow of their former selves. In Vale the criminal syndicate is (was) very limited too.
>actually engage them in the labor of protection and also provide an incentive not to lay the whole kingdom to waste. That's basically holding society hostage and being a parasitic middle-man. Fuck that. Also "protection" is never really protection from crime syndicates. It consists of driving off rival criminal syndicates and punished unaffiliated criminals for robbing their 'property'. Against Grimm that's worthless.
>The people of Remnant have Dust, Aura and Semblances, all things that are no use to an untrained peasant. What do you mean no use? Dust is an energy resource, aura protects the body, enhances strength and endurance, semblances allow access to unique abilities, that's certainly useful to even a farmer. It's also not enough without training to use against a serious Grimm attack. Oscar states that he's killed small Grimm on his aunt's farm, but clearly has no idea how to handle something like a Beowolf. This isn't an animal, it's essentially a demon that are tough to kill for a non-huntsman.
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