No.24352
>>24344>the villain is sympathetic, maybe even right in what they're doing, then lmao kill le civilians 4no raisin>>24351>fucking cringe ass superhereo movie writersIt's not just cringe. It's overtly political. You take someone who sees a problem with the world and tries to change it, but the political situation can't abide the idea that something should change, so the person with these ideas has to be bad, but they don't have a reason why the ideas are bad, so they just make them do some overtly villainous thing and you're supposed to associate the ideas with villainy now. You can't seriously portray any kind of critique of society in these movies because the entire point of the superhero genre is that the heroes are keeping everything normal.
You really only see this addressed in X Men where the whole premise is that "normal" entails marginalizing people and the mutants who uphold normalcy are selling out the rest of their kind for acceptance. But even then it's massively downplayed (especially in the movies) and the villains are portrayed as bad. The closest you will get in capeshit movies today is Joker, which was only able to say what it did because the protagonist is (A) the "villain" and (B) crazy. So you can give him your social critique to say and the studio suits or whoever who might stop you from putting that in the movie are just like "well he's evil and scary so it makes these ideas seem that way too."
No.24354
I remember a fan made a fake Batman movie trailer like over a decade ago where the Riddler was a Zodiac figure. It was Nolanverse footage interspersed with scenes from Fincher's Zodiac.
Hollywood literally just stole that dude's idea, I'm sure without any compensation.
No.24355
>>24354post edit
>>24352yeah
never forget that they co-opted black panther title and literally made it as a movie with a CIA agent being as one of the good guys
the only hope i have is some of the people who watch these movies and actually think the villain did nothing wrong
that's one thing hollywood fails/succeeds at unknowingly
they hire attractive and charming actors to play the villains which ends up turning some people
not much to be done with these hollywood machines churning out propaganda against any action, the neolib world order of just do non violent protest and sit back
No.24356
Big movie = good movie
No.24358
Recently i watched deadpool, because people kept telling me how good it was and not like other superhero movies
It was steaming garbage and exactly like all other superhero movies. People have shit taste.
No.24359
>>24357and in the end, they open a starbucks or some shit in the name of the guy they kill
basically liberal monument shit, that effectively doesn't do much
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>>24359Didn't they like
literally give basketball shoes to poor black kids in the inner city?
No.24361
Harvey Dent. Can he be trusted?
No.24362
>>24352I think the bigger problem is that capeshit movies are used as philosophy material for adult consumers. There's alot of video essays talking about any superhero movies and how "they reflect the state of society".
Then, there's grown men arguing about comic book consistency and other shit.
They're too lazy to read ACTUAL philosophy/politics books.
It's just entertainment consumed by millennial manchildren to "relieve the stress of adulting".
No.24363
>>24362Gonna be real and say capeshit has been so thoroughly mocked that that's not really true anymore
No.24364
>>24363I beg to differ. Capeshit is mocked but also taken religiously.
Children's entertainment in general is being hijacked and botched by adults.
So much so, that kids whom enjoy any specific shows are labelled red flags.
Post-boomer politics is a very dark road of arrested development.
No.24366
>>24363No dude, mockery just makes people dig their heels in harder. Centuries of dunking on christianity and religion in general didn't make people realize it's cringe. They think that the fact that you don't like it is evidence that it is to be taken seriously.
>>24364>Children's entertainment in general is being hijacked and botched by adults.Uh, are the children supposed to be making kids' entertainment?
No.24367
>>24365oh shit i was an absolute retard and didn't realize you were asking me for the video, my bad anon lol
No.24368
>>24365also 1000% agree about youtube's fucking retarded algorithm. I can search the EXACT title of the video I want and it will still list 10 unrelated videos first just because they're trending/made by Youtube Partners
No.30972
>>19388>>19334 Decent continuation but some of the episodes got TOO capeshitty
No.31071
RIP Kevin Conroy
No.31076
>>31071Rip. He was my favorite batman
No.31077
I think him being rich was just an afterthought to explain why he's able to afford all this tech gear he has and his batcave and is a reflection of the mindset of people in time he originated. This is why he doesnt use his money to help people directly through lobbying to change power. Sometimes it gets highlighted and other times downplayed or subverted. So i dont think it's inherent since there is different depictions of Batman.
No.32342
Wrong interpretation.
Batman is, for lack of a better word, incredibly “mentally ill” and is under the delusion he’s making the world a better place by punching other mentally ill people who often times have much less money. It’s not surprising that DC made a number of his nemeses psychologists; Hugo Strange and Harley Quinn are notable examples. Other characters have often noted he has an odd pathological obsession with stopping criminals stemming from trauma, and that any moral posturing he makes is typically superficial. It’s evident he could do much more good as Bruce Wayne and simply let Superman clean up Gotham.
No.32352
>>32342This is more or less true depending on the version. Usually it doesn't get that much exposition and despite being angsty or whatever Batman is treated as unambiguously in the right.
No.36130
>>36129Bane basically. Now the reason why it's portrayed as so chaotically is because Nolan is a liberal and so he portrayed the revolution as total chaos. There were interesting concepts like the people's tribune with scarecrow acting as judge who by the way judged cops.. I mean think about that. Also that scene where an army of cops fights a whole bunch of people that may or may not be Bane's soldiers. In any case Batman brought back the status quo by leading cops to crush a revolution. Let me remind you that even people like that police chief weren't attacked and stayed home with their family until Bats showed up and basically galvanized them to attack Bane's revolution which btw ended up with a bunch of dead cops so even Batman got a bunch of cops killed by getting them to go out there and crush a revolution lol.
No.36132
No because writing any source of nuance, character complexity or compelling motivation is well beyond Nolans abilities. I think the reason Joker become so iconic, other than Ledgers performance, is the fact he is just an insane person who does evil for shit and giggles, and thus couldnt be ruined by bad writing.
No.36133
>>36129>Ras al ghoulBased. Struck at the heart of the capitalist system. Literally used fear bombs to make the pigs afraid.
>BaneBased. Established dictatorship of the proletariat. He was to nuke the pigs, so he would have been the most based.
>JokerBased. He wasn't crazy or evil. He wanted freedom. Society shaped him into what he was and that is why he wanted to destroy it. He understood that destroying is easy and fixing society is utopian.
>Two FaceBased. The bourgeois lawyer wasted his life upholding the status quo and it blew up in his face. He understood that, then embraced chaos and freedom from the Joker's teachings. He is a vulgar materialist: the coin decides, not subjective morality/law.
>the restCringe.
No.36134
>>36133What about Catwoman stealing from the rich?
No.36135
>>36133in the nolan movies joker explicitly doesn't want anything, he's a crazy person with no past and no relation to gotham. he's more like a force of nature and that's why batman must use the superpower of violating everyone's rights with his immense wealth in order to stop him
No.36136
>>36135He does want one thing though, to prove to the world that his perspective is correct that deep down everyone is like him.
No.36137
>>36133Ras al Ghul was literally just Thanos snapping Gotham for consooming too many resources.
No.36138
>>36137I think your confusing his comic version of with the movie version.
No.36139
>>36130Bane made the most emse to me. Especially with his saying that hope and despair go hanf in hand.
His logic behind taking over Gotham was genius.
Joker is good but his edgelord antics are overfocused on as a virtue.
I do admire his orchestration of his crimes, though.
No.36140
>>36130Don't forget Batman is literally a billionaire. Bane was so right that the only way Nolan could make him evil was by having him want to blow up the city out of spite
No.36141
>>36140You know what ypure right.
Wayne Industries is a billion dollar i dustry. Youd thibk with all that money he'd at least buy out Gotham forces and make the city safer.
No.36142
>>36138In the movie he says they were there every time civilization got too big to reset it.
3 minutes into this video
No.36143
Two-face
Because he's the only person who sees the impersonality of fate, as opposed to justifying savagery as "part of the system" like a liberal, or as "human nature" like the joker.
The joker manufactures chaos, whereas two-face embroils himself within the design of his own game with the coin flip
No.36144
>>36143Is two face the ubermensch, a man who has created his own moral system?
No.36145
>>36144No, he is still spooked by the spectre of "chaos", and only picks on easy targets.
For example, if he lined up people of all classes (like thanos) and rolled a dice to see who died that would be more "fair", but again, who gets to hold the gun? At least harvey holds it against his own head.
The ubermensch in transvaluating all values wouldnt be so fixated on "justice" but his own means of creating a new type of world
No.36165
>>36129>were any of them right?They all had a point, but being "right" is iffy. I wrote about this in
>>5158All the main and remembered villains are intentionally flawed in their logic and actions because they're either chaotic like Joker, corruptive like the Mafia or populists like Bane, and any other sort in between, with Two-Face being a schizo that - once his attempt as Dent to work within the system fails and he loses Dawes - he just goes to complete anarchy and decides things based on luck and chance; through coinflip. Anne Hathaway's Cat Woman was unremarkable and forgettable in these films and people trying to label the dislike of her character as "muh misogynist fans" clearly don't remember Tim Burton's Batman Return's where Michelle Pfieffer killed her murdering Boss and was a femme fatale to remember and love. Ras Al Ghul was an anarchist, but his plan was shit. Fine, the porky's literally kill each other in fear, but so will the ordinary proletariat, men and women will kill one another, kill their children, and themselves out of fear. That's horrific and an utter non-solution.
Scarecrow was just an insane asshole happy to create chaos for The League of Shadows.
Talia was annoying because it took away from Bane's character and his motivations and made him a pawn, playing a role.
No.37260
>>32342he is a furfag that larps as a bat, of course he is mentally ill.
No.37261
>>37260>He's a furfagHow lol? Animal motifs =/= furry you internet poisoned silly anon
No.37282
>>932>Porky punching lumpens to get his kicks or class traitor who directly and indirectly helpi people?Depends on the version you're talking about
>Miller, Burton, NolanPorky punching people
>pattinson movie, animated seriesclass traitor
>Adam Westsilly fanciful lad
No.37283
>>24362Eh, like any commodified pop fiction genre, it varies. Most of it is slop but there's some occasional gems in there
No.37284
>>24342Honestly? It's one of the better cape movies to have come out. The script isn't without its flaws (The third act is kind of rushed and comes out of nowhere) but for what it is, it's pretty well-made. I enjoyed it a lot more than most capeshit
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