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>>2566101Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet Coast Guard will no longer classify swastikas, nooses as hate symbolsThe military service, which falls under the Department of Homeland Security, has drafted a new policy that classifies such items “potentially divisive.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/11/20/coast-guard-swastika-noose/ >>2567741based lying down fat neckbeard. he's right
>>2567753You VVILL praise Hitler and Netanyahu
You VVILL enjoy the treats of hyperinflation
You VVILL take the blame for everything the ruling class did as they move to their bunkers in new zealand when it's all over
>>2567762>You VVILL praise Hitler and NetanyahuLol the irony, if those two were unarmed and in the same room, one would end up strangled to death.
>>2567771>Lol the irony, if those two were unarmed and in the same room, one would end up strangled to death.Are you sure? Netanyahu insists Hitler was hypnotized into doing the holocaust by the grand mufti, and were it not for the grand mufti, Hitler would have merely continued supporting zionism by deporting jews to palestine.
Anyways, Zionism and Nazism have merged into a single ideology called NATOism.
>>2567801I hate Clown World
>>2567801Didn't Fuentes eat his own boogers on stream once?
>>2567801Wow everyone, they're going to vote to reject his abhorrent views. Fascism's days are freaking numbered, folx
The DSA is best described as a minor caucus of the Democratic party that is made up of people who compromise everything they claim to believe only to lose every time anyway. It does nothing worthy of mention outside of endorsements for Democratic party candidates and free labour for Democratic party campaigns, yet its members still cannot point to a single policy implementation that they have ever had a measurable effect on.
Its practices are justified by its members as necessary in the name of winning, yet by no measure have the millions of hours of time and millions of dollars of funding invested by its members ever resulted in a win, even a small one. Whoever they endorse inevitably becomes a tool of the Democratic Party, often so fast that it's almost comical. Then they do the exact same thing again.
The Democratic Party could not hope for a more efficient, risk-free mechanism of funneling potential anti establishment energy right back into it. And best of all for them, the existence of such an organisation acts as a barrier to any attempts at building any sort of alternative, either within or without the electoral system, as everyone misled into joining the DSA is one less person who could potentially contribute to such projects.
50 years ago they needed COINTELPRO. Nowadays they just leave the DSA alone and it does the same thing.
>>2567801Cuck Boomer is trying to save face after caving on the shutdown. Critical support to Nick Fuentes not getting condemned officially by the US government (someone should go to his publicly known address and [REDACTED] instead)
>>2567801Oh my god this fucking zoomer retard gets WAY too much attention.
>>2567808Haha so true fellow leftist.
Do not organize. Do not talk to people who organize. Definitely don't interact with the largest left wing networking organization in the country that can connect you to people of all tendencies and get you into other orgs that have an explicitly revolutionary focus, or that are going to the workers and unionizing them! Sit in your armchair and post about how we're all doomed in between scrolling through tiktok.
>>2567808There ain't much organizing around me so I am DSA.
I'm hoping this changes. I'm hoping once Mamdani inevitably sucks (more than he does) national might try to opt out of the entryism and do other shit.
>>2567815Yes anon, it's fedposters criticizing people for being too attached to the DNC, which is the trve communist vanguard.
>>2567808So what are these Real Communist Parties then? What do we join that's sufficiently revolutionary?
>>2567813they didn't learn their lesson that we live in an attention economy and even negative attention is capital
>>2567741Glad Chinese workers have 996 slavery so burgers could have their funko pops. Glory to the people's commodity production
God I fucking hate you amerinimals
>>2567838But the Dengism Elder Scroll shills told me that capitalism is good when China does it! Have we been misled???
>>2567783a year ago, I wouldn't even suspect that History Hustle would be posted so much in here, lol
>>2567843What's to lie about? Communism is impossible, welfare capitalism when China does it is good. There's no further discussion to be had
>>2567839Whoah I wish I could be as cool as Mohammed Ali and die to gang violence. So cool.
>>2567847What does this have to do with American politics?
>>2567850I mean sure but cops are terrible everywhere, there's nothing unique about America in that regard. Some domestic dispute where the guy starts waving scissors around is hardly newsworthy
>>2567801Endless spectacle
>>2567859>randomunsubstantiated claim
>decontextualizedunsubstantiated claim
>>2567801People here complain when someone posts /isg/ shit here but it's actually the US government who's forcing /isg/ shit on all of us.
>>2567865dengism elder scroll only works on people who don't have the attention span to read one (1) full paragraph at a time and therefore can't understand the actual texts quoted
>>2567867> it's actually the US government who's forcing /isg/ shit on all of us.underrated truth nuke
>>2567868the marx quotes in that are not even about capitalism being superior to feudalism, you would know that if you had even read it instead of just vibe checking it
>>2567851I don't think the cops were awful. He almost ran over a cop at start, he repeatedly said he was going to kill the cops over and over, that he will absolutely die tonight, he kept asking the cops to kill him too and then he ran at the cops trying to stab them. The guy was clearly beyond mentally unstable due to what happened, he apparently called a suicide hotline too and they hung up on him.
They waited way too long to taze him when he's clearly cooked mentally at that point and was running at him. The tazer did nothing to help as he kept going at them tthen they shot him. they ended up shooting him after he finally ran at them after standing around trying to talk him down for minutes.
>>2567870Post it then and explain how the quotes support doing capitalism within socialism as Deng beetles claim.
>>2567874> explain how the quotes support [my strawman]nope
>>2567867At this rate, the internet needs to fucking die.
>>2567792Reality is truly stranger then fiction.
>>2567880i wonder if the anon complaining about "deng beetles" in usapol is going to notice that what americans 18-29 call socialism is Teddy and FDR shit
>>2567887they think it means breaking up the monopolies like teddy and doing a new deal like FDR, and maybe being a little better about climate
>>2567801Is this a reverse psychology to get people to like Nick?
So Trump apparently is calling for Democrats to be put to death over… telling troops to disobey unlawful orders.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/20/punishable-by-death-trump-threatens-democrats-with-sedition-charges>>2567889>i wonder if the anon complaining about "deng beetles" in usapol is going to notice that what americans 18-29 call socialism is Teddy and FDR shitYou people are constantly dick riding China for being socdem despite having a "communist" party in power.
>>2567902
It's only 95%
>>2567783>>2567792Esoteric Herschelism
>>2567899I don't think China is perfect I just think it's corny that Americans want to pull the splinters out of China while America has a wooden stake through its heart.
>>2567902
Literally IMPALE anyone with more than 20 réal in their pockets.
>>2567907It's time to CROSS THE POTOMAC and establish the DEMOCRATIC DICTATORSHIP of the NATIONAL SALVATION COUNCIL under the ESTEEMED LEADERSHIP of CHAIRMAN MILLEY
>>2567844he's right tho, and the video had a bibliography with sources for his claim.
>>2567895I know people keep asking this all the time but isn't this illegal
>>2567907What did Miley say to guarantee this reaction?
>>2567913When the president does it, it's not illegal, it's a fundraising opportunity for the Dems
>>2567898>What the CPC calls socialism IS teddy and FDR shit.A communist party using realpolitik to manage an economy
after a proletarian revolution in order to skillfully navigate the contradictions of being one socialist country in a world that is still mostly capitalist, with the top priority of not getting overthrown by the CIA like so many others, is waaaaaaay different than FDR and Teddy, bourgeois men from a bourgeois family, scaling back capitalism's brutality inside America
for the purposes of preventing proletarian revolution. >>2567922no you don't understand, capitalism is discrete. it's either on or off.
>>2567922Oh so they're just PRETENDING to be capitalist to fool the CIA
>>2567932What does that quote have to do with China needing to be capitalist because otherwise the CIA will overthrow it?
>>2567905You are complaining about liberals (not socialists) being liberals in the US while there is an ostensibly communist superpower which is in actuality just doing liberal capitalism.
Please let house prices (and tax evaluations) crash w/ the stonks, and raise the interest rate I just want to buy a home cash.
>>2567934>China needing to be capitalist because otherwise the CIA will overthrow it?made up more shit nobody said award
anyway tell me what marx and engels meant by this. tell me the TRUE CONTEXT that I am taking them out of.
Lenin would have been for Israel because China loves Israel
>>2567937You explicitly called Chinese capitalism "realpolitik" "with the top priority of not getting overthrown by the CIA", yes you are quite literally trying to tell us that pretending capitalism is communism is actually 5D chess because only capitalism can keep the CIA from overthrowing you. You are an insanely stupid and dishonest person and it's a waste of everyone's time arguing with you
>>2567941>You explicitly called Chinese capitalism "realpolitik"No I call Chinese lower stage socialism realpolitik, and you call it capitalism because it makes you mad. Tell you what. Fly a plane to China, and go find Chinese proles. Agitate them to overthrow the Chinese bourgeoisie. Go start a real proletarian revolution in China. At least take your complains to /prc/ where it's on topic.
>>2567922China never successfully completed its proletarian revolution, what Mao led was a (progressive) bourgeois revolution that eliminated the last remnants of feudalism and Japanese occupation but it was not fully proletarian in character because the main forces at play were the peasantry and national bourgeoisie of China in a class collaborationist "New Democracy" pact that by Mao's own admission was supposed to be followed by an actual fully proletarian revolution later in the future.
The Chinese proletariat got really close at accomplishing this during the cultural revolution but they were ultimately defeated by the right wing and nationalist elements of the CPC and PLA.
Similarly, the CPC today is still objectively holding back the full proletarian revolution of China with social democracy and a welfare state, though I really hope the most revolutionary elements of the party eventually take over and purge the nationalists.
>>2567947>yeah america actually gives israel weapons, intelligence, naval support against Iran, all for free, in addition to selling them more explosive ammunition than all other countries combined, but have you considered china is selling israel labubus?doesn't this line get tiresome? you specifically come to usapol, of all places, and say "hello americans, I'm arab and I'm so mad at china."
>>2567948>At least take your complains to /prc/ where it's on topic.It's you retards bringing your irrelevant China glazing here as if that's some kind of dunk on the US. yes, wow China has now arrived at the stage of capitalism the US was at after WW2. I'm happy for Chinese people who benefit from this, but please don't lose sight of winning victory for the working class like we did.
How about we talk about the US and the conditions therein instead since that's what the fucking thread is about?
>>2567951So it's okay to profit off stolen palestinian goods and land providing the modern nazi with infrastructure to kill more of those evil arabs like me as long as it's red, alright
>>2567953>i'm totally arab, that's why i go to the thread for the most imperialist country on earth who does the most to help israel genocide arabs to complain about china for doing non-military tradeso true bestie. america should save palestine from big bad china.
>>2567956>No you totally aren't arab. All arabs love being killed and profited off actually!Spoken like a true zionist
>>2567946
if he gets popular enough, the rulling class will embrace him if they havent already, and you will fall for it just as you did with Trump
>>2567954>foo went issbro is really trying to emphasize his latinx status because he supports mass deportation
>>2567946
>i love catboy nazism
ok just say it then
>>2567958yeah yeah, see you tomorrow bestie. i love coming to usapol to complain about chinese and larp as arab. maybe you're a saudi prince or something.
>>2567953make sure to thank the Americans for giving the f35 to the saudis, you are safer because of it
>>2567947>>2567953>>2567958Shouldn't you be voting for Trump again, Michigan Arab?
>>2567952>It's you retards bringing your irrelevant China glazing here the conversation started here
>>2567838that dude literally responded to OP to seethe about china. there was no provocation before that.
>>2567966>You aren't arab! YOU. AREN'T! ARAB! WE'RE ON USAPOL YOU CAN'T HATE ZIONISM IF IT'S FROM CHYNA!!!!Tell me about how Palestinian land was promised to the chinese 3000 years ago to prove I'm not arab
>>2567968>>2567969>You aren't arab and you love trumpYou really are zionists in everything but name
>>2567846>mohammed alithat's malcolm x. or is this some kind of reddit humor thing where you pretend to be charlie kirk
>>2567972>>2567975Hitler lost and Jews are here to stay.
>>2567979In Palestinian land for sure. It also has little free helpers in leftypol
>>2567975They’re not zionists they’re just democrats running defence for joe Biden with a fresh coat of red paint
>>2567975the china glazing will continue until you burgers form a million man march, burn down the aipac headquarters, execute your bourgeoisie, and become more socialist than eveyrone else. but you will probably do nothing but seethe about china the way netanyahu does
>>2567979not me, but nice false flag attempt
>>2567980Who was living in Cuba before Spaniards settled there?
>>2567969>Shouldn't you be voting for Trump again, Michigan Arab?that's not very fair. michigan arabs simply neglected to vote for genocide joe. they did not turn out for trump that strong.
>>2567982Not a falseflag, I'm another anon, no worries.
>>2567971>that dude literally responded to OP to seethe about china. there was no provocation before that.It's in the OP (the video)
>>2567985They are currently getting raped by ICE and Neonazis up there while their community leaders fall in depression.
>>2567983I'll answer, the Taíno, Ciboney, and Guanahatabey whom the Carib used to eat.
>>2567987>It's in the OP (the video)the video makes fun of all -worldists, be it 1 2 or 3
>>2567988yeah, but it's not like voting for genocide joe is defensible
>>2567989So Cuba was a settler state, right?
>>2567991Theres footage of a Michigan Arab community leader seething at Trump and saying something along the lines that he curted his community to vote for Trump but he feels betrayed now, its in the last /usapol/ thread.
>>2567982>You are not arab, they are not human and the chinese DESERVE palestinian property and goods if it them makes a quick buck and you have to mention the west's genocidal attempt every time to not trigger my zionist feefees You are a zionist liberal and a larper of the greatest kind
>>2567993It was settled in waves. Settlers and conquerors can be two different things.
>>2567998Israel was also settled in waves, is it now not a settler state?
>>2567999>>2567997Well, Hitler lost, so you wanna go for round two?
>>2568005none of those responses were for me I just found them funny so i saved them
>>2568001It was conquered in waves. It was never really settled.
>>2567950>though I really hope the most revolutionary elements of the party eventually take over and purge the nationalists.I think this depends a lot on what the west does in the future, if they want war with china, I think chinese nationalism will skyrocket
>>25680051945 called, they want their judeobolshevism back.
>>2568011Are you talking about Cuba or Israel here?
>>2567983What? Do you want to defend settlerism here? I'm not historically in the knowhow about everything Cuba. If your argument is that Zionists aren't settlers then kill yourself.
>>2568000>Everyone is one person, you are not arab because of my schizophrenia >>2568004Am I Hitler because I hate zionism?
>>2568017zionism is neither good nor bad, it could be incredibly useful to china and that would be good
>>2568018>zionism is neither good nor badThen you are a zionist and you should kill yourself. That's my answer to you.
>>2568017If any kind of investment into Israel is zionism, then every jew in Israel is a zionist, no?
>>2568018being against zionism is fine but being slavishly against zionism to the point where you start slandering the entire socialist bloc and parroting hitlerite talking points about judeo-bolshevism is what's so bad about this shit
>>2568016No, the argument here is that shaking hands with a jewish person turns you instantly into a zionist and genocidical settler, yet theres alot of countries around the globe that also were settler colonies but still trekked their way towards communism.
>>2568020>If any kind of investment Why so vague? Do you mean financial investment? Do you think every jew has bought and invested into stolen land off of Palestine or what. If you want to be anti semitic, just say that. I'm speaking about zionism here which Saudi Arabia, Germany and Amerikkka love and fund who aren't a jewish majority
>>2568021
Antidengist to judeobolshevism JQ pipeline is real
>>2568026Well, I'm not the one seething at China sending labubus to Israel, you tell me.
>>2568015Israel. It's strategic location as a trade route joining three continents made it a place to be conquered repeatedly. The people Israel were exiled from Palestine many times over the centuries. According to their own eschatology they weren't supposed to returto the land until God returned them, so the Balfour outpost is actually an affront to the God of Israel.
>>2567887Republicans literally say empathy is communism. They’re the most evil, degenerate fork tongue liars on the planet and have over dipped on their grift and said anything good is socialism so the people are going to socialism. You know you don’t have to be educated to see
>oh all the evil pedophiles that run the economy and turned my life into a bunch of micro transactions are saying liking puppies and wanting healthcare is communism. Maybe I’ll check this outThe masses are eager and getting ready, are you?
>>2568031God isn't real, thougever.
>>2568016i wish iran had destroyed tel aviv earlier this year but sadly
america china intervened by destroying their nuclear capability
>>2568029wow it do be like that when you think about it
>>2568018not me, false flagger. don't fall for it (wait, 4 people already did). instead observe:
>>2567982 >>2568029The Steven Universe gempass
>>2568023You're still free to disprove that "socialist" China isn't investing large sums of manpower and money into land and goods stolen by zionists, which you haven't done. You only rebutted with "BUT WHAT ABOUT AMERIKKKA" as if no one knew that this shithole was zionist.
>>2568030You literally said it was the jews while telling me I'm not an arab but an amerikkkan nazi for opposing all zionism
>>2568029Most yonic political compass I've seen yet
>>2568042Well, Hamas is using Chinese weapons, meanwhile EU and US weapon manufacturing plants are working overtime to supply the genocide.
You could, of course, attack those weapon manufacturing plants, as you are an Arab living in the West. Talking about China does nothing to stop the genocide, btw.
>>2568042BE is a liberal and so are you
Christ guys take the China shit to the China general:
>>2548078>>2568044You really love your judeobolshevism, don't you?
>>2568050for me its islamomarxism personally
>>2568045
You're a liying bitch. Sanctioned Israel won't do shit to the 2nd economy of the planet; and secondly, you're fucktard for calling being against a genocide a "moral crusade". You're throwing in the trash even the most basic internationalism, you're to the right of most libtards.
>>2568035>"Changes in water depth and topography altered the perception of the international boundary's location," the statement said. "Government of Mexico personnel removed 6 signs based on their perception of the international boundary's location."lol they blame mexico for what they did
>>2568052I prefer my islamic-communism with a judeo-bolshevik button.
>>2568053The location of the Berreta plant in Northern Italy is public information, Berreta supplies pistols to the Israeli occupation forces, you could do something, or do nothing and only seethe about judeobolshevism 🤷♀️
>>2568045>Who cares if they are? The Palestinians and I care about literal modern nazis who dance about wanting me dead and work with supposed socialists. You care too judging by the damage control you are doing.
>>2568048WHO
China is a net exporter of capital to Germany starting last month btw. to pseuds that's a sign europe is literally being imperialized
>>2568054Hitler was famously scared of saying "judeobolshevism"
Partisans of old:
>theres a railway, theres a gun manufacturing plant, theres an oil refinery, the enemy is strong but we can still weaken them
Partisans now:
>uhm, did you consider the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Btw, I will not blow up a railway, thats dangerous and I could go to prison
>>2568061If they're so isolated, why do they constantly get free weapons and goods from the West while strengthening their economic relationship with China? Or is it Anti socialist to question whether Netanyahu is lying? Can't forget. Leftypol thinks Israel is anti imperialist and socialist!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzmtdwsef8s >>2568066Damn, the judeobolshevism spammer is a newfag that cant embed
>>2568063It's literally the opposite but okay
>>2568063The China derangement syndrome is real
>>2568029The Liberal Rhombus
>>2568067Don't you want to call me a sand monkey as well? Seems like you're throwing out all the "insults" you can come up with to be as zionist as possible.
>>2568063The drums are the worst part of the nightmare.
There's no heartbeat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUzw1YPa9X8 >>2568066>Leftypol thinks Israel is anti imperialist and socialist!nafoids are starting to lose it
>>2568076Oh now I'm also nafoid. Just any buzzword to defend zionism at all costs.
ok. ok. i admit it. china is bad. china is zionist. now please tell me what i should do about it if i don't live in china? should i fly to china and agitate against their government or something? what is to be done??? remember, this is the most important question and you must be able to answer it.
>>2568079wow even our reichstag fire is boring
>>2568080You can apologize to me as well for denying I'm an arab by the way
>>2568080The solution is to ignore what China is or isn't doing and instead focus on revolution here on our own terms with our own material conditions
>>2568081He's been pretty upsetti spaghetti all day
>>2568085I didn't ask the question, but good answer.
>>2568088So you're not gonna do anything about the weapon suppliers now? You are in the West, so just attack an F35 factory, even radlibs managed to do it, it should be easy for you.
>>2568089I have no idea what that means. I'm not posting anything private if that is what you want.
>>2568089anon it's very easy for him to just find a picture of the right kind of wall socket and claim it's his
>>2568092>Why don't you be an adventurist like any good communust would be HUUUUUUH?And you call others nafoids lmao
>>2568036Or Iran cucked out and opted to wave the flag of “oh boy you’re gonna get this time”!
>>2568043Actually there is, Americans will wage permanent revolution in till the whole world is socialist. Learn dialects.
>>2568085great answer. now overthrow your government which sells more weapons (not labubus, not food, not infrastructure) to israel than everyone else like you promise.
>>2568095So you're cucking out? Got it, lol
>>2568092I don't know anything about any factories. Do you realize how big the continent is? Who's trying to incite violence? Who are you trying to get arrested for pre crimes?
>>2567891
>"favorability of changing the status quo?"
monkey's paw curls
>>2568098>Still screeching about me not being arabWell at least you always show you're a zionist
>>2568093he's saying prove you aren't american since countries outside of america don't use the same kind of electrical sockets
>>2567896>Trump calls for death explicitly<“Erm ACKTUALLY it’s Opposite Day, I didn’t say that!”Yknow there’s a weird habit of conservatives where they think because they have a major political party they’re entitled to dictate the terms of reality cause enough of them believe something nonsense is true.
Also the coast guard just declared swastikas aren’t a hate symbol.
>>2568099Yeah, sure. I'm not going to get myself imprisoned because you asked to lmao
>>2568104Okay and when I made the photo will he then move the goalpost how I stole it off the internet or took it while on vacation?
>>2568108What does that mean? Am I still not an arab?
>>2568111Theres new tandem RPG warheads and mortars for sale in Texas?
>>2568112>muh identity politicsSaar
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) There isn't any group actively working to resolve the contradictions of the current American national project. I find there to be many "vulgar internationalists" who are nationalist for a country that isn't there's while predicating their revolutionary politics solely around a disdain for "America", wherein the nation state must be destroyed and no revolution is truly possible here. This is why you go to a communist meeting and there's 3 hours of discussion on Cuba and Cuban policies or USSR history, or whatever, but rarely if ever is there a discussion of a path forward for the nation state wherein the party is located. This creates a fundamental disconnect between your 'revolutionary' and the masses. Its why every one I've ever talked to about politics has some story about a communist spending their entire discussion glazing and worshipping places that neither party has been to. It's easier to admire a revolution elsewhere than to build the painful foundations of one here.
Predicating one's entire politics on a disdain for America is not a strategy; its an identity. The masses you seek to lead do not share this purely negative orientation. They have a complex, often contradictory, relationship with the national project that must be considered by the vanguard.
The anarchists believe that the nation state should be wholly destroyed with the absence of the nation state bringjng liberation but this seems Utopian based on historical materialism. There are no other places in earth were the nation state as a framework has been left behind. Even in places like Africa where many of those countries were created by Europeans drawing borders, post-revolution the nation state remains. (See: Burkina Faso, Congo pre-lumumba assassination). This tells me that a vanguard within the US would need to work towards resolving the contradictions and providing a national narrative that is explicitly anti-imperialist and de-colonial, while maintaining the nation state's already existing borders and existence within the global, internationalist sphere. This is much, much more difficult that 1) dogmatically believing the material conditions of today are the same as 1917 Russia or similar 2) believing that America can simply be destroyed and we can return to the days before it existed. Both are fundamentally reactionary takes. The goal of the vanguard isn't to march on the streets demanding better represenatjon, but to build counter hegonomy, counter power which can challenge the existing social contract/narrative towards something which releases the working masses from their chains, while understanding the limitations created by the historical material conditions the nation-state currently exists in.
>>2568115>muh identity politicsYou zionists are literally trying to kill me. YOU are making it MY problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HRUV86bVa0>SaarWhat does that mean? A slur?
>>2568097I mean yeah sure, that's what I'm trying to do. That's what we've been trying to organize this thread for.
>>2568111>It doesn't mean "China" is arming "Texas." god i wish
>>2568129Any day now what
>>2568131i choose to believe this was caused by charlie kirk's assassination in Utah
>>2568117This was actually a pretty good read.
>>2568121You're paranoid. Nobody is trying to kill you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPPMa2NUzCI >>2568138>You're paranoidI'm not listening to your song but you're saying I'm also not arab, right?
>>2568142Vladraham Lencoln
Abramir Lincin
>>2568143I don't care. You do you.
>>2568145Care about what? You responded to me with your song
>>2568151That song
>>2568138 Did chinese zionism trigger you so hard, it gave you amnesia?
>>2567753Funny how all the libs who called Trump term 1 fascist fell in line now that the USA is actually fascist.
>>2568154*openly not actually
rereading my post I could see it read as AmeriKKKa wasn't already fascist
>>2568153I didn't say anything about China or the greater israel project. I said I don't care if you're Arab or not. That's what 'you do you' means. The song isn't for you to understand. That's the point.
>>2568154It pretty much was always fascist by this criteria. They never really did anything to combat nazism. On the contrary.
>>2568156I literally can't listen to the song you brainlet, I don't have headphones on me right now. You just posted some random bullshit after calling me paranoid when Zionists are chanting death for people like me.
>>2568158what country do you live in
>>2568159I thought you didn't care. Either way you're retarded if you think I'm giving you any more information about myself
>>2568158Who itt is chanting for your death? I'm a live and let live type of person. I'm sorry you don't have headphones but how could I possibly know you don't have a proper Linux box with HDMI running audio to an audio receiver?
>>2568160Why aren't they attacking putting an end to the senseless slaughter of Iranians. Israel right now is playing with the idea if attacking again iirc
>>2568109Nah they also bundled it with tattoos of nooses and the confederate flag. So it’s pretty clear they’re making room for explicit racism.
>>2568166Yes, they're trying to maintain a fragile balance between neonazis and zionazis. It seems like an alliance doomed to fail so I'm just going to enjoy the proverbial popcorn.
>>2568164wouldn't be because the US interceded on the zionists' behalf?
>to attack israel is cucked
>war is peace >ignorance is strength >freedom is slavery >>2568163>itt So it's only this thread now. It wasn't zionists like that guy
>>2568115 who called me a nazi and many other slurs which zionists by the way also love doing? Your brain couldn't comprehend I was talking about zionist ideology when I posted videos and articles of zionists chanting for arab death while people like the guy I posted were defending it? I'm more of a anti zionist who really hates zionism and doesn't want to die because of it person.
>>2568160Iran is an anti-communist theocracy that failed in being an anti-imperialist bulwark. If the “AES” actually flattened tel aviv and economically sanction the U.S I’ll reconsider my opinions. But in till “AES” can actually put pressure on my ruling class and weaken then they are less than helpful. They are collaborators
>>2567774based snark. always cutting through the crap.
>>2568170I am pretty sure most of their cheap rockets went through, and they could have kept going for much longer while Israel was running out of anti-missile defenses until Zion Don said "Enough is enough".
>>2568172I know your position and theirs. The difference is I'm not afraid nor at war. I also recognize trolling. Now the international ring who is at war against all of us is collapsing in on itself and zionazis are losing all support. Is there not hope in this?
>>2568177>I also recognize trolling. What does it matter if it is trolling? If you go into a thread where everyone is pretending to be a zionist to troll and you do not say anything, you are a zionist as well. Your problem was more with me than any of these retards, so go fuck yourself.
>>2568164Because Iran has zero nukes and America has 5000, and would treat an attack on Israel like an attack on US soil.
>>2568182Nah, different trolling styles often become white noise to me. Your pattern stands out because it is amusing and I've been trolling since Usenet. Have a good day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh20q3Dx8RI >>2568183So why didn't Amerikkka use nukes right at the point. Iran was already attacking US soil for a few days despite the US threatening them
>>2568176>pretty sureyou love to talk out of your ass, that everyone's sure.
you moved the goalpost from
>Iran is cucked (because didn't finish Israel)to
>most of their cheap rockets went through I am glad you acknowledge they didn't cuck outand
>they could have kept going for much longer while Israel was running out of anti-missile defenses until Zion Don said "Enough is enough". this is false, they attacked until the US interceded, they "kept it going" through all the 10 days. >>2568113Nick Fuentes deserves to die and, if any leftist affinity group of guerillas actually exists, he should be a primary target for assassination.
Stop debating conservatives and start killing them, they are enemies and should be given no quarter.
No mercy for these enemies of the people, the enemies of socialism, the enemies of the working people! War to the death against the rich and their hangers-on, the bourgeois intellectuals; war on the rogues, the idlers and the rowdies!
Vladimir Lenin
>>2568180If only words and intentions actually shaped the world.
>>2568184>You see it was actually you that was trolling and I am not a zionist if I let zionists talkBrilliant logic right there
>>2568187That was my first response
>>2568176. Not everyone is the same person you retard.
>>2568191Speech nazis are still nazis habibi.
>>2568194See? This time you were brave enough to call me a nazi despite not caring apparently. You zionists always show your true colors again and again.
>>2568189>If only words and intentions actually shaped the world.better that they do all the intentions, and still blame them because talking
isn't enough (let's not forget about the rain of missiles that fell on zionistland).
>>2568196I didn't call you a nazi, a speech Nazi is one who shuts down speech. In that case, you decide whether the shoe fits.
>>2568199You do not have to be so scared about me being called a nazi. Did you forget to call me habibi again? For some reason you really felt the need to emphasize with Arabic language there. Who knows why. If we are talking about a shoe, then yes, the zionist shoe fits you perfectly. You definitely talk like one and I do care about that
>>2568197What is needed is a blockade of the strait and full scale military invasion. Not the preformitive missle strikes. I will cede Iran has done more than most but it obviously wasn’t enough.
>>2568196IMO you prolly are some Nazi troll hiding behind the ethno-nationalism of other nations.
>>2568035Lol this showed up on my news feed but I thought it was just asshole tourists trying to gentrify yet another piece of Mexico from Mexicans (as it usually happens) had no idea it almost turned into an international incident…
I know I've been schizo posting about this for a couple days but between this shit, the failed gen z protest last week and the increasingly hostile threats of the Burgerreich against cartels, an US invasion or regime change op here really is inevitable at this point.
The only thing worth discussing here is organizing the american lower class.
Everyone, actually, literally, seriously everyone, who shits up about literally every other perennial topic on this is a fucking wrecker.
>>2568202is that US troops trying to dig up border signs?
>>2568205Its Mexican troops removing the American signs.
>>2568201>IMO you prolly are some Nazi troll hiding behind the ethno-nationalism of other nations.Hey, if you think being anti Israel is being a nazi troll then think what you think. I never attacked jews or communism and I want a one-state solution for Palestine with nothing given to any zionist be they arab from Saudi Arabia or Jordan, a jew from Amerikkka/Europe or a chinese from China. But IMO you are a zionist shill, so we're even.
>>2568203You make a good point. Off topic can broaden the mind but not when it derails a thread completely.
>>2568186Same reason why they didn't nuke Afghanistan. Same reason as why Israel didn't nuke Iran. Same reason why Russia didn't nuke Ukraine. It's a weapon you use as a last ditch effort. It acts as a deterrent to stop the other side pushing for your total destruction, it doesn't mean no one will strike back at all. Just that they will always act with some restraint.
>>2568203>organizingYou don't even know what that means, it's just rhetoric.
>>2568169I think the Chapos kind of correctly pointed out that Zionism is the odd duck out because for libs it means, basically, “You have to do land acknowledgements and adopt all these pseudo-radical social positions EXCEPT on the issue of Israel” and for the Right it means “You’ve got to oppose DEI and woke stuff except when it comes to Jewish people.”
I’d say that on the mainstream “left” it’s more of a straightforward break within the base of the Democrats while on the Right it could be an extreme civil war between the evangelicals (some of whom are still young) that think they’re religiously committed to the Zionist project and the more “secular” or “Catholic” types that have no theological commitment to Israel.
Unironically I think Anti-Catholicism might become a more common position on The Right in the future. For one we’ve had two vaguely liberal Popes back to back. For another most of Latin America is Catholic. Finally I think the break between the pro and anti Israel factions of the right will involve “Trad Caths” and Secular rightists on one side and Evangelicals on the other.
Hegseth bitching about neopagans is kind of setting the stage for evangelicalism being a requirement on the right.
>>2568201>What is needed is a blockade of the strait and full scale military invasionagainst a nuclear power? fat chance.
>>2568210>It's a weapon you use as a last ditch effortThey did not use the atomic bombs in Japan as a last ditch effort since Japan was already on the verge of surrender. It was always meant to scare other nations away from the might of the US but now they have Gaza and the Westbank to show off and it works for most states. Iran, THE STATE, was very much scared by the US but still defended itself during those days and weeks. You also forget that they want the resources from Iran. Bombing them with stronger deadlier atomic bombs would be retarded if you are interested in these resources and in their zionist state acquiring that land for the greater Israel Project. The reason Iran stopped is that the capitalist class there is scared for their lives. The people are not that keen on being randomly bombed to death every year by their enemy state without properly retaliating. Like. The majority there wants military support against Israel.
>>2568215idk Catholics in America are already kind of a minority (not counting latinx immigrants) and Anti-zionist "tradcaths" like Fuentes are an even smaller portion of that minority. Don't really see the US turning into Northern Ireland anytime soon.
>>2568213Hmm, I wonder if he was summoned by moosadd. The epstein coverup is largely to protect their methods and agents
>>2568215As a cradle Catholic I don't consider the last two popes either left or right. Evangelical support for Israel is based on flawed eschatology that believes in a third temple being built. Catholics believe the body is the temple and the Church is the new Jerusalem. They even print bibles with this title. The civil war on the political right will pit the two against each other but there's no such political movement on the "left" in the Church except for the caricature that exists in their feedback loop. The primary target atm is immigrants who are Catholic so I'm pretty sure the position of the right is already solidly anti Catholic except for the secret sect, Opus Dei, who sides with evangelicals for power.
>>2567815Organizing doesnt mean dick riding. You are imperialist dickrider who defends anti-Communist bourgeois imperialist party. You are the fed.
>>2567820Its best not to ride the dick, but the dickriders tell us that doing nothing is worse than riding dick. To ride the dick and love it is worst of all.
>>2567821Its Bad Empanada's post
>>2567833Liquidate the dickriders within and outside parties. Stop riding dick
>>2568227>BEso a fed, got it
>>2568223There’s been historic anti-Catholicism in the U.S. that still exists in some corners today. Like as a kid I’d still see evangelical pamphlets claiming all Catholics need to be “saved” cause we’re definitely going to Hell otherwise. Just this year I had a customer tell me, I shit you not, that Hitler and MLK wanted to “get rid of” Catholics because we run all the banks and start all the wars. Yeah, just anti-Semitic tropes applied to us.
So I don’t think it’d be too hard for the right to go anti-Catholic in part as a means of expunging the elements of the movement they disagree with. Like there’s been some tension because Catholics have made up the more “intellectual” elements of the Right, including Protestants getting pissed at rumors that Charlie Kirk was gonna convert to Catholicism before he died. Catholics are making themselves a bit of a nuisance to Republicans, we’re getting “uppity”, so I can see them making a shift.
I mean shit, you still have people saying “Catholics aren’t Christian” out here.
>>2568212I love Lina khan
>>2568236Is that the video where he uses Lenin to justify voooooting for a blue nazi
>>2568234good point from hasan tbh
>>2568238Explain in detail what good point this amerikkkan trying to convince you of voting blue is making
>>2568236WRONG. It's when I use (You)r toothbrush.
>>2568242Strasserite troll properly embarrassed
>Nine years later, Engels could be more transparent about the meaning of his point in a letter to Marx’s son-in-law and a leader of the French party about the recent gains it had made in an election:
“Do you realize now what a splendid weapon you in France have had in your hands for forty years in universal suffrage; if only people had known how to use it! It’s slower and more boring than the call to revolution, but it’s ten times more sure, and what is even better, it indicates with the most perfect accuracy the day when a call to armed revolution has to be made; it’s even ten to one that universal suffrage, intelligently used by the workers, will drive the rulers to overthrow legality, that is, to put us in the most favorable position to make the revolution.” (MECW, 50: 29)
>>2568235cutest rooseveltist
>When a critic, also in 1892, accused the two communists of being dismissive of bourgeois democracy, Engels objected.
“Marx and I, for forty years, repeated ad nauseam, that for us the democratic republic is the only political form in which the struggle between the working class and the capitalist class can first be universalized and then culminate in the decisive victory of the proletariat.” (MECW, 27: 271)
>Just as the electoral and parliamentary arenas were only for both of them a means to the end of proletarian ascent, so too, therefore, the same for bourgeois democracy itself.
>>2568225I think the anti-Catholicism of the Right can always get more intense and more explicit. They can start attacking Churches, attacking priests, decrying Catholics as part of some plot to “drive immigrants into the country to force us into over by the pope” like they historically did. It’d be a great pressure release valve for their conspiratorial base—like there have long been jokes on the extreme right that Alex Jones will “blame everyone except the Jews”. Well, how better to take the pressure off the Right’s fealty to Israel than to turn Catholics into Jews. In many ways we’re perfect for it—the Vatican has less leverage than Israel. Catholics occupy positions of prominence in America as well, but we can also fulfill the role of being “hordes of subhuman foreigners that are going to conquer us by force of arms”.
Anyone can become an outgroup with enough effort.
>>2568236I keep forgetting utube has ads. Easy enough to block and forget about it I guess.
>>2568249Pc: Ublock+Sponsorblock+Firefox
Android phone: Revanced Youtube
If you don't have these yet
>>2568247>get more intense and more explicitWhat I'm seeing when I look at the influencer ecosystem is sedevacantism masquerading as Catholicism. They refuse to accept that Mary isn't equal to God and coredemptrix even after the Vatican clearly stated this isn't the case. Since many are converts, they will generally remain Protestants and leave once they realize the Church isn't a democracy and they don't get their way.
>>2568252Also brave browser works in a pinch.
>>2568256>they will generally remain Protestants and leave once they realize the Church isn't a democracy or thery will just go deeper into LARP and join a eastern orthodox church or maybe even go neo pagan
>>2568256Oh for sure the Trad Caths are chasing trends and will leave, but if history proves anything it’s that people often have contempt for the people they were yesterday—and I still think that not being Zionists would be enough to condemn some Catholics in the eyes of the evangelicals.
>>2568259Yes, that happens quite a bit.
>>2568260Yes, the not being Zionist part is enough.
>>2568259>>2568260They'll just convert to Mormonism. IMO it boils down to which religion owns what capital. The Catholic Church's investments are heavily bound up in real-estate (rent) and speculative assets, it doesn't have enough invested in actual businesses. The Mormon church is much more directly invested in public enterprises despite in absolute terms having much less wealth.
>>2568259Converting to Eastern Orthodoxy is what Rod Dreher did so there’s room for that, but my argument primarily is that there’ll be conflict as evangelicals try to shape the GOP into a solely Evangelical party (with conservative Jews) which means that the other conservative religious groups will be forced out regardless of how based they think they are. Hegseth was bitching earlier that Norse Neopaganism (Asatru) was a fake religion that dudes are adopting just to keep their beards in the Pentagon.
I think the evangelicals see the other religions in the right with contempt. Either for not being Christian (the Hindus for example, Mormons) for being “above their station” (the Catholics), or some other reason. Like I said, despite a ton of Asatru dudes being basically NeoNazis, Hegseth still views them with contempt because if you don’t go to shitty guitar mass mega churches you’re basically not a person to him.
At a point it won’t matter how “based” you are. You’ll be told by a glassy eyed Protestant that you either stomp on a picture of Odin’s face or get your head chopped off.
>>2568269>Norse Neopaganism (Asatru) was a fake religion that dudes are adopting just to keep their beards in the Pentagon.this is pretty true
>>2568269>At a point it won’t matter how “based” you are. You’ll be told by a glassy eyed Protestant that you either stomp on a picture of Odin’s face or get your head chopped off.doubtful, evangelical influence is declining MAGA is a pan Christian movement and the prots get owned by Catholics and Orthodox constantly
>>2567950I've always seen the PRC as just a fairly normal republic but with an overton window skewed much farther to the left than most republics. As far as I can tell there arguably more ideological diversity in the CPC than congress. you've got outright neolibs and old guard maoists in the same party while in congress there's like 5 non neoliberals max.
>>2567950china is not socdem, you are a retard
>>2568283it's national socialist
>>2568289does anybody have an account on truthsocial? is anyone there calling him out for using AI shit? is there any dissent on there?
>>2568271Eh, I’ve seen some neopagans that treat it as an actual religion and are attracted to it for reasons that I think people naturally are attracted to “exotic” faiths. I don’t begrudge those types.
>>2568273The prots get owned because they’ve kind of chased the intellectuals out of their movement. Numbers wise I’d say they’ve got the advantage. Basically I don’t see this as one side “winning an argument” or whatever, but existing contradictions becoming heightened and more explicit. Like, Vivek had to deal with being told to his face he’s not a real American and worships demons for being Hindu. These types genuinely think the angels are whispering in their ear. They won’t be able to resist once the ball gets rolling.
>>2566576>>2566582The technofascist endgame is for the bourgeoisie to become immortal, replace proles with AI and robots while leaving capitalism behind on their own terms.
We shouldn't assume this technology is impossible. Clearly the bourgeoisie are trying everything they can to reach this goal before capitalism ends.
>>2567894
I don't think people who support national socialism would say they support socialism. Well, except for the fact that they'd say anything.
>>2568293>We shouldn't assume this technology is impossibleIt is for the bourgeoisie. Their time is done. Their role completed, and their comeuppance is long overdue. The world that would have provided this technology to them was killed in womb by their greed and vile beliefs. Now they only have a ruined world that loathes them, and will soon expel them like the parasites they are.
>>2568271Asatru is no more fake than any other faith. The supreme irony is that atheism is a time honored Norse tradition in and of itself
>>2568290>is there any dissent on there?No lol
>>2568334
>They always do this shit trying to co-opt the current political culture into being racist since that's the only issue they care about.
yep lol
>>2568287>The most important political movement in the US in my lifetime and before is the anti-war/isolationist/anti-interventionist whatever you want to call it. American citizens against the entire political spectrum are against it but the elites of both parties are lock-step in agreement about it.ever notice that if you say you're anti war online you get brow beat by how much your "lifestyle depends" on the burger reich war machine by both neocon hawks and people who claim to be communist but are fedposters? both these open neocons and these communists being like "noooooooo don't be anti war, your entire life depends on plunder, you're fighting your own material interests"
like who does that narrative benefit? even if that were true why interrupt your enemy when they're (allegedly) making a mistake?
>>2567815> Sit in your armchair and post about how we're all doomed in between scrolling through tiktoklol Zionists immediately did bourgeois recuperation of TikTok because its the only place where regular working class people have any voice at all!
Marxism is not for TREND of the middle class "speaking on behalf of workers".
Marxism is not for CORPORATE ATTITUDE of "we see and hear the working class".
Marxism is not for STONER Ursula LeGuin new age neoliberals who say "we're all human, bro".
Marxism is for true DOOM-MURDER HEAD proletariat who speaks for themselves, on their own terms, with no parasitic PMC who speak on their behalf by erasing their class war into liberalism
>>2568343>both these open neocons and these communists being like "noooooooo don't be anti war, your entire life depends on plunder, you're fighting your own material interests"I have noticed exactly that.
>>2568234<its privileged to not support a man who dedicated his entire life to protecting international Zionist finance imperialist enslavement of humanityGraham Platner is ZOG's 2nd greatest warrior after Jeffrey Epstein
>>2568330>Their role completed, and their comeuppance is long overdue. Yet they are still here. I'm afraid they still have some tricks up their sleeve to hold on. They plan on using global warming decimating the world as a way to cause as much chaos and division as possible. They still have the police, military and extensive propaganda networks to divert attention to other scapegoats such as gender, sexual, national, religious and ethnic minorities. Anything to divide the mass of proles and keep them off the back of scientists and engineers keeping technological progress going.
I'm not saying this to discourage but point out it's not inevitable proles win. It should be motivation to work even harder to get rid of them before they get rid of us.
Imagine a future where the monsters who killed billions of people get to live forever. They are actively planning and working towards it.
>>2568242you can't answer their question. wow!
>>2568366that's so relatable. they post just like me!
>>2568343>>2568348That’s because they’re literally trying to put you in the same camp as the bourgeoisie. They’ll lie and say they aren’t doing that but never explain how constantly reiterating again and again and again that you’re gonna have a worse life under communism and that you’re already guilty for the crimes of imperialism isn’t doing exactly that. It’s like, you tell Sakai types “Okay if you’re right then the conclusion we should draw is that white people should just become fascists and advocate for it” they’ll hastily say “Uhh no you can’t think that, that’s not what we’re saying at all.”
Of course the hanging implication is that you should suffer and struggle for a cause they themselves say is impossible, will leave you worse off, and that you’re already opposed to due to some original sin you inherited when you were born. You’re supposed to be the ever-sacrificing “ally” shorn of dignity but given some satisfaction that you’ve got some internally clean conscience.
It’s moral blackmail for the non-fed types that push it. “You’re a disgusting wretch guilty of sin so you should be obedient to me if you want redemption.”
>>2568203at least Mr. Langley is getting that bag :^)
I want to punch that 1st world medic guy. Jfc
>>2568408My greatest take is that Europe is even more reactionary than America. I would say it should be depopulated but I don't believe any people live there
>>2568408the question of workers of any country having any comfort whatsoever being a drain on other workers from other countries has an element of truth to it, as even Marx, Lenin, and Engels discuss labor aristocracy and super profits, but it is also used rhetorically as a distraction from the opulence of the wealthy and the orchestration of world imperialism for the wealthy of all countries, and not simply workers in the core.
Marx also talks about the "Crude Communism" of people who want to "level everyone down"
<A house may be large or small; as long as the neighboring houses are likewise small, it satisfies all social requirement for a residence. But let there arise next to the little house a palace, and the little house shrinks to a hut. The little house now makes it clear that its inmate has no social position at all to maintain, or but a very insignificant one; and however high it may shoot up in the course of civilization, if the neighboring palace rises in equal or even in greater measure, the occupant of the relatively little house will always find himself more uncomfortable, more dissatisfied, more cramped within his four walls. An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.- Karl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital (1847), Chapter 6
<The thoughts of every piece of private property as such are at least turned against richer private property in the form of envy and the desire to level everything down; hence these feelings in fact constitute the essence of competition. The crude communist is merely the culmination of this envy and desire to level down on the basis of a preconceived minimum. It has a definite, limited measure. How little this abolition of private property is a true appropriation is shown by the abstract negation of the entire world of culture and civilization, and the return to the unnatural simplicity of the poor, unrefined man who has no needs and who has not yet even reached the stage of private property, let along gone beyond it. (For crude communism) the community is simply a community of labor and equality of wages, which are paid out by the communal capital, the community as universal capitalist. Both sides of the relation are raised to an unimaginary universality – labor as the condition in which everyone is placed and capital as the acknowledged universality and power of the community. […] The first positive abolition of private property – crude communism – is therefore only a manifestation of the vileness of private property trying to establish itself as the positive community. […] By reducing the worker's needs to the paltriest minimum necessary to maintain his physical existence and by reducing his activity to the most abstract mechanical movement. In so doing, the political economist declares that man has no other needs, either in the sphere of activity or in that of consumption. For even this life he calls human life and human existence. By taking as his standard – his universal standard, in the sense that it applies to the mass of men – the worst possible state of privation which life (existence) can know. He turns the worker into a being with neither needs nor senses and turn the worker's activity into a pure abstraction from all activity. Hence any luxury that the worker might enjoy is reprehensible, and anything that goes beyond the most abstract need – either in the form of passive enjoyment or active expression – appears to him as a luxury.- Karl Marx, Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, Third Manuscript, Private Property and Labor (1844)
>>2568422people live everywhere dehumanization is silly rhetoric because people are just animals anyway, they aren't elevated to godhood, and revoking their "humanity pass" doesn't mean anything unless you actually have power over them.
mamdani status?
How is any of this faggot purity spiraling productive for anything?
>>2568441it's just posting
>>2568422so fuckin edgy bro, i'm quaking in my boots from this
>>2568422>My greatest take is that Europe is even more reactionary than America. I would say it should be depopulated but I don't believe any people live thereI think Europeans are pretty cool. I just bought some Christmas presents for my Euro nieces. They're very lovely people.
>>2568471
<heheh, they're not LE PEOPLE heheheh
why are people special to you
>>2568111>The weaponry used by armed resistance factions against their genocidal occupiers, that has to be smuggled into their open air prison is totally comparable to the weaponry in my local Walmart that is used to do school shootings, it's like the same thing!! Retard
>>2568529>omg Hamas has a grenade launcher that's incomparable to what you can buyFggt I own one of those too
>>2567896Strategy of tension.
He’s going to keep saying they should die until somebody takes it upon themselves to do it for him.
>>2568533Blow yourself up with it retard
>>2568422>My greatest take is that Europe is even more reactionary than Americathis is factual
>>2568422>>2568601European states are vassals of America so their reaction is just downstream from America
>>2568602trump is going to make an example out of him
>>2568429anti-zionist zohran took a stand against a NYC group that organizes resettlements to illegal israeli west bank settlements
>After protest at synagogue, Mamdani says Israel immigration event misused ‘sacred space’
>NYC mayor-elect appears to suggest Nefesh B’Nefesh’s promotion of immigration to Jewish state is a ‘violation of international law’ in statement that doesn’t address antisemitism
>Zohran Mamdani, New York City’s mayor-elect, has responded to a protest targeting an event promoting migration to Israel at an Upper East Side synagogue, suggesting that the event was an inappropriate use of a “sacred space.” The protest on Wednesday night, organized by a group called Palestinian Assembly for Liberation, has drawn allegations of antisemitism from Jewish leaders in the city. During it, participants shouted phrases including “globalize the intifada” and “death to the IDF” as well as insults toward pro-Israel counter-protesters like “fucking Jewish pricks,” according to reports from the scene. Police separated the protesters and counter-protesters but did not halt the demonstration.Per the JTA "The group [Nefesh B’Nefesh] is considered a quasi-governmental agency in Israel, receiving funding from the Israeli government and works closely with its ministries. It does not assign immigrants to particular communities, but has showcased West Bank settlements — which most of the world, though not Israel or the United States, considers illegal under international law — in events and on its website as possible destinations for new immigrants."https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-protest-at-synagogue-mamdani-says-israel-immigration-event-misused-sacred-space/ >>2568604the only european nation vassalized by the U.S is the UK, and they aren't in the EU anymore
>>2568608>EU is not a US vassal blocklol
>>2568605trump is going to cry about how zohran's election means that the west has fallen and billions must die while zohran just sits there with his shit eating grin
>>2568609america has an enormous amount of leverage over the EU, but it isn't vassalized in the same way the UK is, whose defensive nuclear program is entirely under the american technology umbrella. at least France can fire their nukes without permission
>>2568602It’s going to be like with the South African president. Trump is going ambush him with some “socialist atrocity” or something else really stupid that will take more time to explain than the cameras and reporters are willing to give. Meeting on his home turf was a bad idea unless he has something similar up his sleeve but I doubt it.
>>2568529>The weaponry used by armed resistance factions against their genocidal occupiers, that has to be smuggled into their open air prison is totally comparable to the weaponry in my local Walmart that is used to do school shootings, it's like the same thing!! how little you know about Hamas and other Gaza/Palestine groups weaponry.
>>2568611please give us your personal definition of 'vassalisation' and the degrees thereof.
please so so without talkimg about economically and politically inconsequential shit like nooooks.
>>2568620>nukes are inconsequentialnot sure if you have a solid enough grasp of what's happening for any reasoning to get through to you so no thanks
>>2568618Too late. Won’t do them any good at this point.
wapo came out against the release of the epstein files
yup, bezos is in them
>>2568608oh my sweet and innocent anon
>>2568538wow rude
>>2568621even from an anti-moralist perspective, dehumanization is nonsense, because it serves zero function beyond rhetoric. It relies on the presupposition (normally rejected by anti-moralists, but which receives exceptions in certain conditions for…reasons) that humans are somehow "special" and "above animals" due to some kind of inherent metaphysical nature. The person doing the dehumanizing seeks to negate the "humanity" of their target, but without significant physical power over their target which would make that dehumanization actually mean something in terms of realizable consequences, it's just rhetoric. You can sit in your chair all you want and say "Euroids aren't human LEL" but this does not attack European imperialism or chauvinism at its root in any way. Instead it just re-enacts the rhetoric of European chauvinism in reverse, with none of the actual power that it had over its victims. If you actually want to bring Europe low, force must be used, not simply edgelord rhetoric. Even by your own metrics and perspective, dehumanization serves little purpose. It helps you neither understand nor fight.
>>2568627come on anon, you know as well as I do that Trump will get away with kiddie-diddling
>>2568611They might be less cucked, but that doesn't make them not vassals friend. France probably being the most independent. But they'll still kneel if they're told to
Mamdani is going to declare jihad against maga
>>2568611>at least France can fire their nukes without permissionanyone can theoretically fire nukes without permission, it's just 2 questions: 1, the question of pulling it off before the people who want to stop you from doing it stop you, and 2, the question of what happens to you afterwards.
>>2568640>anyone can theoretically fire nukes without permissionNot the brits, their warheads are seated on the Trident Missile System which is owned, developed and ultimately stored in the united states. They literally need permission to fire their nukes in defense, as opposed to the natively built, sovereign nuke system the French have
>>2568618the circus is moving towards another spectacle:
Documents with hundreds of pages completely censored.
>>2568403yeah it just reeks for several reasons, not even getting into the aesthetics which don't matter:
>ummmmmmmm you're le bad person for not being nice to me >wuddabout the taliban THO (don't google operation cyclone, pls bro, don't do it)>uh… i like patched up the brutalizers regularly and on a much more rare occasion I patched up the brutalized, so actually i was helping everyone equally and deserve a gold star sticker for being such a nice guy :^)>international conflict is le messy and le complicated so actually it was fine that I was there and feel proud of it>40 nations fucked up afghanistan… are you saying they're all wrong??!?!?! that doesnt' sound very le democratic>you can't make me feel bad which is why I'm seething about you and telling you what a great weekend I'm having>you can't disagree with what I did because you didn't participate in it, and only le LIVED EXPERIENCE of helping imperialism allows you to criticize imperialism cuz muh liberal standpoint theory >>2568642i guess i was talking long term in the sense that anyone can eventually develop sovereign nukes even if their current nukes aren't sovereign. lack of sovereignty in a relationship leads to long term decoupling.
>>2568630Unless his health completely fails, he literally can’t. He’s entrapped himself in the presidency.
>>2568096>Or Iran cucked out and opted to wave the flag of “oh boy you’re gonna get this time”!They literally attacked Israel exactly as much as they could get away with, until the globe-spanning empire showed up to with its navy to defend israel by shooting down Iranian missiles and then fucked up Iran's material enrichment facilities….
are we living in the same timeline >>2568648>lack of sovereignty in a relationship leads to long term decoupling.100% agreed
>>2568645we already had that spectacle the first time the "files" were "released" and it was just a more redacted version of what has been publicly avaialble online for years (the black book website linked in OP).
>>2568691
That map is not communism its a thought experiment.
>>2568688i hope he does it. it would be totally worth it for president porky to go mask off and to treat the succdem mayor of new york as some kind of threat to burger reich hegemony and values even though he really isn't. it would be a win win. let the succdem get martyred, and let that radicalize the workers further against everything as it currently exists
>>2568690another crybullying screed from american empire's rabid pitbull in the middle east
>>2568695truth nuke
>>2568691proud self-identifying nazi retard misses the point award
>>2568691
Deepest analysis I've ever seen from a rightoid
>>2568697C'mooooon Trump, harden your heart. Do the funny thing and arrest him. It totally wont backfire on you I promise bro
>>2568702
>you mean a graph made by the decolonial atlas using data from credit suisse global wealth databook isn't literally communism… waaaaaaaah? i am le shocked
>>2568702
Do you only speak in memes or do you have any thoughts that are actually your own? That map does illustrate how much just the average person is getting ripped off and how much wealth is consentrated at the top. Communists do not just want to redistribute wealth, that's social democracy (who are still capitalists), they want to abolish capitalism and all capitalist relations to production. Communism is a stateless, moneyless society. Things can be acquired through requisition, wealth cannot be accumulated and people are free from others exploiting them for personal gain (i.e. when you go to work). The wealth of society belongs to the entirety of society and production is done for the common good not profit.
>>2568703>C'mooooon Trump, harden your heart. Do the funny thing and arrest him. It totally wont backfire on you I promise broTbh if they want to restore neo-feudalism/monarchies, then it was obvious trump allied with arabs royals and bringing old good days of Roman empire. If they're really serious about absolute monarchies restoration.
>>2568707
By all means don't relinquish it and be shot when the time comes. When you build a world where its ok to genocide people and steal their shit don't be surprised when people do it to you honkoid.
>>2568713not they're not, this is just a star wars fantasy to make liberalism seem progressive again. but even if it were true, it would only guarantee the destruction of the USA, because feudalism is an inferior and less productive mode of production that was swept into the dustbin of history by capitalism. America wouldn't be able to compete with Mexico, let alone China, if it sincerely became "neofeudal"
>>2568716He really believes in his own dehumanization rhetoric, so he imagines the victims of imperialism are too stupid and weak to ever fight back, let alone accumulate strength and prosperity above what sclerotic and moribund world imperialism has "achieved" through plunder
>>2568707Not to dignify you with an answer, but scroll up and read
>>2568424Thirdworldism is just 2016 wokescold energy with new paint.
>maintaining american comfort while achieving global peace is impossible
this shit right here is the dumbest fucking thesis EVER. This is THE crux of the problem I have with 3rd worldists, who believe that the american lifestyle comes from subjugation and not that the subjugation VASTLY overserves the ONLY the highest echelons of elite society with unfathomable decadence.
We lower classes and even the middle class in america barely benefits from imperialism in their day to day lives if at all, and any part of the american economic networks that currently depend on subjugation can be easily swapped out with better ones.
3rd worldists completely deny the wonders that china has achieved WITHOUT IMPERIALISM, AND THE CHINESE (for the most part) HAVE A MORE CONVENIENT LIFESTYLE THAN THE USA.
So I'll say it again: wokescold liberal retards became maoists because they simply want to always be the ones shaming. Every TWister in this thread is a fucking wokescold wearing a hammer and sickle hat
>>2568726>woke woke woke wokePut the flag back on bud your not fooling anyone.
>>2568721>>2568726>>2568707Also this shit is old fucking news, and any rhetoric about how the colonized people are going to have their day of revenge is fucking LARP bullshit.
We're doing BUSINESS retards. We're doing TRADE. We're fucking MAKING SHIT and SELLING IT TO EACH OTHER. You know, the way MARX told us to.
Fuck your wars, fuck your egos, we're out here doing economy stuff, because that's the REAL revolution.
And if you can't get along with the union, if you're a scab nazi faggot who can't keep their opinions to themselves, good luck finding a job, bitch. But the TWister, while more tolerable, is effectively opinion-less when it's HIS american fridge empty in HIS shitty american apartment that's 2x his income.
Fucking grandiose fantasy faggots, the lot of you
>>2568728hilarious you equated me with the nazi, as a TWister yourself you'd be surprised to know you have a lot more violent tendencies in common with the latter lmao>>2568735
>>2568726>>2568707 donald trump could be suckin dick RIGHT NOW
>>2568728also this board is called "leftist politically incorrect" and back when peak liberal woke bullshit was happening, we socialists here were always annoyed by that. That's why we turned to cumtown and other left-wing comedy spheres for comedy that could make jokes but still have good politics.
"woke" means different things when a nazi complains about it vs when a socialist does. If you're old enough to remember the Khive, Warren stans, Hillary girls, and all their stupid fucking liberal woke cancel culture bullshit as a communist you know what I'm talking about.
But the nazi's complain about "woke" in a totally different way lmao
>>2568742>>2568741>>2568737>>2568735>>2568728>>2568726>>2568707And this is just for the proof that I'm not the nazi poster in disguise or whatever. A reasonable thing to be suspicious of.
>>2568742>we socialists>turned to cumtownpolitics as consumption of podcasts is also liberal bullshit
>>2568726Having any sort of like,
ideologyabout anything of greater importance than "what should I be doing in the present moment to further the cause of socialism in my country" is absolutely pathetic fake internet brained nonsense.
If your conclusion of whatever you believe is that trying to build a workers state in your country just categorically isn't going to happen, either shoot yourself or stop calling yourself a communist.
>>2568735why did you include my post
>>2568721 which was talking about a nazi debate bro in your screed about third worldism?
>>2568747Are you fucking stupid? Do you just… not have friends? It's called counterculture and we humans do that naturally in order to vibe around likeminded peers, you know… SOCIAL-ize, with SOCIAL-ists.
And I think you don't know what "liberal" means, either
>>2568746>proletariat is when bad thing happens to youFunny, I thought your class is defined by your relationship to the means of production!
why was the 2 hour video about graham platner removed? Is it really a violaiton of "no /isg/ in /usapol/" or whatever to talk about an ongoing campaign and the whitewashing being done around it, evidence to the contrary of that whitewashing, and the defensive counter arguments made around that guy? Especially when other anons are posting low quality AI slop?
>>2568749clicked the wrong thing shit and I'm being a messy bitch right now
>>2568751>Are you fucking stupid? Do you just… not have friends? Is this really your question when I was just making fun of you for framing your consumption of cumtown episodes as socialist praxis and an epic rejection of liberalism when all 3 of those dudes are basic ass New York City liberals (now stylized "social democrats" in the US, as if they are somehow the same as Kautsky or Bernstein or something, when even that is too charitable)?
>>2568753I am not watching a fucking 2 hour video about a Democrat primary in Maine
>>2568748>>2568726Well my main point is that TWisters believe that we SHOULDN'T because that would somehow… strengthen imperialism??? Somehow??? That's my main point. They want to demotivate the left in America to do nothing. Or have a "revolution" or whatever the fuck that means. It's all incoherent and just straight up not logical.
>>2568750it do be like that fr maybe possibly not sure
no
>>2568755again I really think you're missing the point on this lmao. You're not an epic based "communist" who's more communist than all of these people just because you have a different opinion on praxis from… literal comedians. Like buddy at some point, you're going to have to accept that most the people who you think aren't communist enough are actually just people with social skills who don't scare the hoes as much as you do
>>2568757>Well my main point is that TWisters believe that we SHOULDN'T because that would somehow… strengthen imperialism???I've never seen a "TWist" make that argument
>>2568756ok nobody cares if you personally watch it, I'm saying there's no reason to remove it as /isg/ when it's on topic in /usapol/. I'm not even the one who posted it.
>>2568760you seem to be missing my point. my point is very simple. you sound like a clown when you say something like "we socialists turned to cumtown." Like that is such a ridiculous thing to say. Leave it out of your argument and you'll do yourself a favor.
>>2568762I get where you're coming from, but dude a 2 hour deep dive video about an election that I'm willing to bet the vast majority of people here can't even vote in, is almost certainly basically internet brained nonsense even if it's ostensibly about an actual political topic.
>>2568764it's not actually about the election, it's just a flashpoint for a broader and more relevant analysis of the US left.
>>2568764also there's literally no reason to remove it other than censorship. I'm asking why it was removed, not telling you to watch it. it was on topic and I didn't even post it. I'm just NOTICING.
>>2568761I see it explicitly stated once a week, and implied greatly constantly by everyone saying that every social democratic reform we get is actually bad because it brings greater pain on the third world. Which is retarded. Making the government here spend more of our taxes on healthcare and social programs in general, MOVES money away from the budgets of imperial institutions like the military and CIA etc.
Even though they're seen as "liberal" coded or whatever, a "demsoc" platform is not only within reach, it's ONLY GOOD. And any communist worth their salt would recognize this, especially in the face of no better options.
Every day here, we get people splitting hairs over who's truly a communist versus who's a socdem versus who's a demsoc when it doesn't fucking matter.
>>2568760if you listen to podcasts you're already in hoe scaring territory. Cum town at least gave me enough of a sense of humor to get laid.
>nta btw >>2568763No dude like it was actually a huge fucking thing and a cultural phenomenon that is massive. Yeah, it's ridiculous, and that's kind of the whole point of the name. But it's also completely true and just because you think you're so "cool" or whatever doesn't change that.
>>2568769dude Nick was the president of the DSA never forget that
>>2568771You're being an idiot. I have listened to and enjoyed some of their stuff but you're pretending consumption is politics which is just erroneous. "I rejected wokescolding and listened to cumtown!!!" is just consoomer-brain talking. The task of the American working class is so much more of an uphill battle than rejecting one style of consumption and embracing another.
>>2568777I think you're just autistic and assume a very myopic subtextual thing from my statement and derail this entire topic because you don't understand how social groups work and form around touchstones and operate in the background and organically move and breath to grow consciousness in general. You just have a limited imagination, basically.
>>2568768> saying that every social democratic reform we getAhh I see, I thought we were talking about social revolution not reformism, my bad. Yeah I would advise against blindly supporting demsocs/socdems in the hopes that their reforms (that won't come) at home, will somehow weaken american imperialism. It's a very misguided and naïve standpoint that can only come forth from american exceptionalism and chauvinism. Im not saying that they're "bad" or that you should be against them, but they're not gonna get you what you want friend and they're certainly not gonna do what is needed
>who's truly a communist versus who's a socdem versus who's a demsoc when it doesn't fucking matter.Bro if you don't want to end imperialism/capitalism and you just want treats for yourself, then don't get upset at "TWists" for calling you out
>>2568717You forget our ruling class is both extremely overconfident and extremely stupid. They have no problem shooting themselves in the foot over and over again if they think it will "own da libs"
>>2568746I'd go further and beyond. The US doesn't qualify for the absolute poverty index. it's non-existent (except for prison-labor people, but these are special case scenarios).
>>2568780>>2568779nta but logically every dollar being spent on healthcare and keeping food and housing affordable is a dollar not being sent to Israel or spent on bombs and drones which will be used to kill people in the third world, no? Making the empire redirect its efforts from imperialism to actually making life affordable for the average person domestically is a net benefit for the world.
Now, the FEASABILITY of enacting these socdem reforms in the belly of the beast with a ruling class that's pathologically allergic to anything that smells of empathy let alone socialism is another story. Any sincere attempts at redirecting funds from imperialism towards the domestic sphere will be met with full force by the bourgeoisie, which in the long run also benefits us because it radicalizes the base
>>2568780See this is what I'm saying man like… you're just wrong lmao. Like do I need to 99 theses this shit? Is it really that hard to see through?
There is no difference between a series of sufficient reforms over time and a revolution wholesale. All of these reforms REQUIRE social revolution in the first place! I've heard all this fucking shit before dude, I've been a communist for over a decade, but your fucking copypasta npc oldschool takes are just… they're not dialectical bud! They aren't imaginative! You have to start SOMEWHERE and this is where you start!
>>2568778>dude i have no counter argument, you're just autistic for arguing goodthe last refuge of a retard
>>2568778Please explain for the class why your rejection of wokescolding and consumption of cumtown is at all relevant to the tasks for the working class in the USA.
>>2568793it was a fucking derail of a derail retard don't act like I was implying the proletariat needs to listen to the Meatwad Kat Williams bit first before installing a DOTP lmao
the tw wokescolding makes me think this is a fed op. it's like living in 2015 again
>>2568797>>2568797Wait, you think the TWisters are the fed op, or the people criticizing the TWisters are the fed op?
>>2568796ok meatwad kat williams was a good bit, thanks for reminding me of that one
>>2568794WOW!
We only need to vooot out 86 democrats and it will finally be a socialist party!
>>2568799inot him but think there are sincere people who hold both positions, I think there are wreckers who hold both positions, and I think sometimes the line between the two becomes blurred when arguments become heated and people get childish
>>2568798his angle is to imply epstein wasn't mossad but some other country's intelligence meddling in israel, rather than the other way around.
>>2568805Is bibi in the files? I mean I know epstein was a mossad asset and all that shit etc but I just wanna know if bibi was getting services
>>2568789>nta but logically every dollar being spent on healthcare and keeping food and housing affordable is a dollar not being sent to Israel or spent on bombs and drones which will be used to kill people in the third world, no?No, that's not how the american military industrial complex works. Even if America becomes more of a social democracy, it would still have more than enough money and means to enact its imperialist goals across the world
>Now, the FEASABILITY of enacting these socdem reforms in the belly of the beast with a ruling class that's pathologically allergic to anything that smells of empathy let alone socialism is another story.The feasibility is not there as a given, so why are you still so hopeful?
>Any sincere attempts at redirecting funds from imperialism towards the domestic sphere will be met with full force by the bourgeoisieThey don't need to redirect it dude, America's got more than enough money and means to both give all americans healthcare and rain death and destruction upon the rest of the world.
>which in the long run also benefits us because it radicalizes the baseYeah no worris broski, you guys take your time and wait for the entire base to radicalize. You know, radicalize, unlike right now when entire city blocks are lit up in riots every other day, massive protests are held regularly and political assassinations have become a common occurrence, no no no you still gotta wait bro socdem reformism is where the base is at. And it's not like we're in a rush or anything
>>2568791>Y…you're just wrong!!>There's actually zero difference between reformism and revolution, if you disagree you're not dialectical!>You gotta start somewhere and we're starting with reformism (the same thing we've been doing for hundreds of years at this point)You are just a reformist bud, that's fine. Just be honest and forthright with it so we can dismiss you and not waste our time arguing with you
>>2568805epstein was actually working for Qatar!
>>2568807i think that question is irrelevant because we already know that bibi proudly, openly, and gleefully slaughters children whether or not he also sticks his dick in them
>>2568794The GOP would get an all time socratic dunk on the dems if they would ask the follow up question of whether dems condemn the historical involvement of their own party with the confederacy, since they clearly care so much about the "historical atrocities" (don't laugh!) of socialism.
>>2568750It is and I don’t understand it.
>>2568828"I can fix him!"
never actually fixes him, just materially supports him >>2568823and lose the confederacy vooters? nah, lawl.
>>2568735> any rhetoric about how the colonized people are going to have their day of revenge is fucking LARP bullshit. They already are though. Look at China, look at Vietnam look at Burkina Faso.
>>2568809Except the military industrial complex only has the support it does because joining the military is one of the few ways for people to get basic social benefits, and they know this. Give people a better safety net and they no longer feel compelled to join the imperial death squads so that they can afford a studio apartment
>>2568828>It is and I don’t understand it.Are you telling me you always date women for their "personality?"
>>2568799The western ones are. Hence why they don’t do anything useful. They don’t go to the poor colonized regions of the world and help them.
>>2568831After the Revolution, these dudes should just get castrated. Fuck it.
>>2568750I honestly think these relationships are non-consensual. It’s manufactured consent.
>>2568836>Muh poor american imperialist soldiers had to sign up to rape and plunder the world because they needed a studio apartment, if they had a studio apartment and healthcare nobody would sign up for the militaryMy dude, you are delusional. Most american soldiers are just bored/brainwashed middle classers who could easily just do a normal job and even if it wasn't the case and your "destitute poors sign up for the military out of desperation"-myth was true, there's still plenty of other ways to incentivize, encourage or force people to join the military
>>2568858imagine if burgers brought their military home and actually forced them to be civil engineering laborers, rebuilding the crumbling bridges and dams, erecting new power plants, etc.
>>2568860aren't they notoriously bad engineers?
CNN: MAMDANI ARRESTED
>>2568864>>2568865I saw Mamdani arrested through my rear window!
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK I JUST ARRESTED A MAMDANI
>>2568836"The poverty draft" argument has been debunked multiple times on here, and I say that as someone who used to subscribe to it. I've never been in the military but I felt the need to rationalize it for other people. But I came from a working class family, and I convinced my wife who was going to join the navy to not join the navy, and we both made it through our 20s without the veterans benefits or anything and built up a decent life just by working normal jobs. Yes we are always one disaster away from poverty but that is still not an excuse to join the military and assist US imperialism, nor is it a justification for belt-tightening austerity. It's just a fact. Really desperately poor people joining the military are a minority. The US army is volunteer not draft, and statistics show those who sign up tend to come from petty bourgeois home owning families with a history of past military service. The "army brat" stereotype has an element of truth to it. It can take on the aspect of a hereditary profession especially in a society where it's all volunteer.
Historically, over all modes of production, ruling classes have oscillated between popular draft and hereditary service because, on the one hand, only allowing hereditary classes to serve decreases recruitment and increases the resentment the lower classes have for the military. On the other hand, drafting everyone fills the army with anti-war saboteurs and working class revolutionaries. So the US army has gone for the middle path of all volunteer forces. The veterans' benefits are not much to write home about, but the "poverty draft" is overstated when the military tends to be most successful in recruiting people from petty bourgeois family backgrounds. Small business owners. Home owners. Hereditary military families. Cops. These are all more likely to join the military than your impoverished wage worker.
>>2568863better make them practice more, and not on other people's countries, where they have less incentive to do a good and lasting job since they won't be driving over it in 10-15 years.
>>2568876>BREAKING NEWS: bourgeois parasitic uniparty condemns socialismshouldn't be surprising to anyone, not even succdems
>>2568876>Republicans Against Trumpwhen your acronym is RAT lol
>>2568872Thank you for giving me a non condescending answer. I will concede that you're correct that even if there are lots of benefits provided by joining the military, that's not the reason most people join. The one question I have is this: what "normal jobs" can people realistically acquire in America? Even most minimum wage shit wont hire you unless you have a college degree, which costs tens of thousands of dollars and puts you in debt. Learning a trade maybe, but you still have to go through the trouble of going through trade school most of the time and they'll still want you to have a degree from a four year university. Like fuck even the local Starbucks doesn't hire people without at least a bachelor's degree and most serious jobs that pay enough for you to live on your own either "hire internally" (not really but that's the excuse they give if you apply from outside and want to fill a lower position) or you have to have serious connections with someone who knows someone else. Hell I'm literally working on a masters degree right now just so I can get a job that actually pays rent because nothing else is hiring, every single job application that's not a dead end minimum wage position is either fake shit made by AI or some kind of elaborate MLM scam made by a Zimbabwean swim champion with a weird laugh. So realistically, what other options are there for someone from a non wealthy background who cant afford to put themselves in debt for four years for a piece of paper? Also do you have any additional readings on this?
>>2568882i hate this stupid ass country so much
>>2568885>So realistically, what other options are there for someone from a non wealthy background who cant afford to put themselves in debt for four years for a piece of paper? Also do you have any additional readings on this?Trades like you said, there are no degrees that are really valued in construction and there is no certifcation(not talking about plumbing or electrician) you just need to build up experience. Half of them are all methheads who've been in and out of jail.
Various levels of nurses and CNA and whatever.
>THow to become a CNA>Complete a state-approved training program: These programs typically last between four to 12 weeks and include classroom instruction and hands-on clinical training.You can also go to community college. If you get good grades you can go to a state university on scholarship probably.
>>2568882interviewee looks and sounds like a 'groyper'. Two guys in white have cop body-language.
Also one in black his holding his arm incredibly strangely and it looks fake. IDK what's going on there but maybe i'm just having a schizo moment from looking too hard.
Graham Platner, Zohran Mamdani, and John Fetterman, all had campaigns managed by Fight Agency, a consultancy firm for the Democratic Party.
https://archive.is/3Y62C>>2568897this firm specializes, btw, in rebranding candidates as "working class outsiders"
>>2568896>interviewee looks and sounds like a 'groyper'. The interviewee sounds and acts like Fuentes because he is gay:
>"I am so confused by that," McComas said. "I am not a heavy conservative. I'm gay, engaged to my fiancé Roger. So, it's just kind of concerning for me because I am like, 'What did I do?'" >>2568904shit. trump is actually going to do it to get rid of the epstein files. there's going to be a emergency situation so he cant release them
>>2568882impossible to know if this is a psyop or just very stupid people
>>2568909has an imperialist war ever been partly motivated by protecting the invading country's leaders from child rape allegations before? is it precedented?
>>2568606But have they considered he used the wrong death toll numbers and kind of walked back the "Globalize the Intifada" statement? Words matter so so much and he's obviously a super zionist.
>>2568904Perfect timing considering epstein case.
>>2568917I redact randy fine
>>2568912>President Bill Clinton (1998) In December 1998, Clinton launched a major four-day bombing campaign against Iraq (Operation Desert Fox) citing Saddam Hussein's refusal to cooperate with UN weapons inspectors.>The Scandal: At that very moment, the House of Representatives was debating his impeachment for perjury and obstruction of justice related to the Monica Lewinsky scandal. The airstrikes began three days before the full House impeachment vote.>The Accusation: Critics, including many Republicans, immediately accused Clinton of "wagging the dog" to change the news cycle and rally the country around the flag.>The Difference: The operation had a clear, pre-existing foreign policy rationale (Iraqi non-compliance) and was supported by allies like the UK. While the timing is deeply suspicious and the political benefit was undeniable, it is not proven that the sole motive was to distract from impeachment. It exists in a grey area.
>President Richard Nixon (Early 1970s): While Nixon didn't start a new war, he was accused of prolonging the Vietnam War for political reasons.
>President James K. Polk (1846): The Mexican-American War is often cited as a potential diversion. Polk aggressively provoked a conflict to seize territory (fulfilling his campaign promise of "Manifest Destiny"). While not about a personal scandal like Epstein, it was accused of being a war of aggression for political and expansionist gain.according to deepseek no, we are moving into new territory
>>2568917…Is that the seal of the state of florida on his yarmukle?
Also there's no better propaganda for Socialism than a historically disliked Congress voting to denounce it.
>>2568928>Also there's no better propaganda for Socialism than a historically disliked Congress voting to denounce it.I'm very pleased with how dumb the administration is
>>2568875pvre socialist soul, that's a genvine proletarian smile
>>2568934I'm sure she's at da club.
>>2568911One cannot know for certain but one can make a healthy guess. This type of shit is exactly along the lines of what glowscum do all the time as part of their broader strategy of tension. Men in boots randomly leaving vague, politically incoherent threatening messages that just happen to line up more or less with what the government intelligence bulletin says imaginary left-wing terrorists believe in, I just don't think it's a case of simply retarded people.
Reading the article:
>"They were in Christmas cards, but all of the stuff that they were putting in it were stuff you have been hearing for Antifa," said resident Scott Ungar … [Another resident] said he wondered whether the American flag outside his home might have drawn attention, but noted that not every targeted house had one, deepening the mystery.Sounds like the federal government's propaganda line. Some faggot at the Hoover building will point at this article and these quotes when they're asked to justify their budget appropriations or whatever.
>>2568876>Be burger youth >Think socialism is free healthcare and affordable housing >Government officially condemns socialism I love how these ghouls continously tell people "You will not be able afford healthcare or housing, and you WILL like it!" without thinking it'll come back to bite them in the ass
>>2568823>(don't laugh!)i love when lenin pops up
>>2568931Nah, looks like the seal of Florida
>>2568932I mean I know when I was a young Obama-loving liberal my first encounter with "Socialism" in any meaningful sense was seeing the GOP decry pretty much any good policy as Socialism. Universal healthcare? Socialism. Taxing the rich? Socialism. It's kind of like how right wingers claim "Well you just kept calling us Nazis for hating trans people so now I'm really becoming a Nazi!" Like the worst people you know are the ones telling you that "we can't have anything good 'cause that's socialism" and you expect me not to be sympathetic to Socialism after that?
>>2568911oh please, we've seen astroturfed "edgy left" since the nerds wearing guy fawkes masks in the 00s
>>2568947>Nah, looks like the seal of FloridaYeah I was just joking.
Rate my Jew hat collection.
>>2568882I'm saying psyop
>>2568931The shiners are kind of funny to me, they just seem like freemasons but vaguely "near eastern" flavored
THEY JUST EXECUTED ZOHRAN J. MAMDANI LIVE ON TELEVISION RIGHT THE FUCK NOW
>>2568932Long live the butcher
>>2568963careful zohran. he's gonna try to suck your dick
>>2568957double cuck out, that's amazing to see
>peace in the middle east after 3000 years
lmao
>some of my views have changed
so, they're going to attack venezuela during the press conference, right?
>>2568928>Also there's no better propaganda for Socialism than a historically disliked Congress voting to denounce it.pepople only dislike the rest of their representatives. they adore the representative they vote. and since the majority voted on this, I guarantee you this is not a positive propaganda for socialism.
also, let's not forget that most incumbents repeat seats, to present evidence of what I am saying.
>>2568963>mamdani's posture >masculine presence, holds a straight frame and commands the room>trump's posture >slouched, weak soy posture and can't stand we won so hard
zohran sounds shook
zohran just pulled out a scimitar and beheaded trump and recited an islamic prayer wtf????
>>2568974actual brain user
>>2568984You must vote harder next time.
>>2568976it "wins hard" to stand loyally by the desk of the big beautiful billionaire bedophile bresident on the day the entire congress voted to denounce socialism while america puts a no fly zone over venezuela in preparation of yet another imperialist war?
>>2568987seethe more israel shill
you will never be liked, you are disgusting and evil parasites that ruin everything you touch
>>2568957>groceries, an old fashioned wordtrump's brain is so interesting lol
TAMACO (Trump and Mamdani always cuck out)
>>2568991How am I shilling Israel? You're delusional, kid.
Zohran didn't repudiate socialism in front of the president and media after being asked a loaded question and even reaffirmed in personal belief of democratic socialism. Mad respect
>>2568991Not sure if /pol/ tourist.
>>2568995Mamdani's "Communism" is Rooseveltist reformism, and the "some of the policies" Donald Trump agrees on likely include Mamdani's appointment of a rich zionist heiress as police commissioner. But enjoy your reformist W on the even of yet another American invasion of a country that didn't attack them, while your congress does a bipartisan condemnation of "socialism" and puts a no fly zone over Venezuela.
>>2568998when the bar is so low it makes the core of the earth look like heaven.
new thread btw
>>2568993 this is the closest to actual MAGAcommunism were gonna get
>>2568992Hes a spoiled brat who never bought groceries for himself.
>>2569003actual communism requires that you see people outside of the US as huma, while "MAGA" communism implies using "communism" (reformism) to "Make The Global Empire Great Again"
>Trump sticking out for Mamdani on traveling by plane
>"It's just quicker"
lol
>>2569010mamdani constantly winning
Trump is just loving the attention, he really is a histrionic little thespian.
>>2568928>>2568974 (me)
>>2568983same applies to the media. when you see a headline that says that media is trusted only by 10% of the surveyed people, in reality what it's that +90% loves one media and distrusts everything else.
Donald J. Trump just recited the Shahadah
>>2569049it's the american century of humilliation
how boring. what a coward.
>>2568980Stop posting on leftypol tony you got a legitimate garbage business to run
Nothing ever happens
Make the new thread. I have new post concocted
>>2567741Anyone have a link to the full performance in the 2nd worldism part? That shit slaps.
>>2569108Do you think Trump would suck Mamdani's dick if he asked?
>>2568934look at the floor. almost certainly a tacky bar which doesn't exist anymore.
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