/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2673090
what epstein did is atrocious but the link with moot and /pol/tards is just funny, like dude listen to yourself lmfao
>broadly speaking "the left" and especially leftists familiar with imageboard culture & history should be investigating and agitating more specifically on this matter
yeah sorry i work a 9-5

>the masses needs to know that there is no civil debate to be had with the right
nor with the left, considering leftism includes people from multiple classes and communism explicitly rejects class collaboration :)

>the far-right is simply ontologically evil and we should be agitating on them all being controlled by human traffickers as hard as possible.
the concept of "ontological evil" is peak midwit and you think the middle class will stop defending their self-interest because of this shit?

also, the US isn't the world

suprised there hasn't been a dedicated thread to this drop yet

The alt-right did not emerge because of /pol/. It might be hard to believe nowadays but it used to be that open Neo-Nazism was flagrant across reddit and YouTube, only after Charlottesville was a lid put on it. /pol/ was just one home of many before that point, and I would say paled in comparison to YouTube in contributing to its growth.

>>2673097
yeah lmao also the idea that they would simply pop out of existence bc of this is fucking hilarious, like at best theyd go back to just being regular neocons

>>2673099
yeah no shit it wasn't solely the product of psyops, Stormfront was founded in 1996, the far-right has had a presence on the internet for a long time. I remember seeing a post from way back in the day that I'm pretty sure I have a screenshot of somewhere if I can find it talking about how a significant amount of early /pol/ was astroturfing by Stormfront.

this is still pedantry either way and doesn't refute the central point.

>>2673090
/pol/ is literally a fed honeypot meant to draw in political extremists to a place where they can be monitored and tracked 24/7. Think about it, why the website specifically block users from posting with a VPN unless they already paid for the premium subscription (therefore surrendering their personally identifiable information)? The entire point is having your true IP so feds can know your location and raid you if you get out of line.

Ah yes, the only two classes, "the masses" and "the right".

>>2673111
IP Addresses…. the secret silver bullet that LEA yearns for like a holy grail.

>>2673111
let's think back to what has been the meta for a long time in the far-right

going as far back as Tom Metzinger's W.A.R. and James Mason's book Siege, the strategy that the far-right has advocated for has been "lone wolf" style terrorism where one guy does a mass shooting (or a bombing in the case of McVeigh and OKC) for the purposes of inciting a race war. now, I've personally never understood the logic behind this and thought it seemed nonsensical that Nazis doing domestic terrorism would somehow result in white people deciding to rise up in a race war, but that's the tactic they have been advocating for decades and making extensive use of for a little over a decade.

but it makes sense if you consider that the far-right essentially fills a "long leash" role that the feds have made use of (there's lots of examples of this to list but two that come to mind are Gladio and Charles Manson (see CHAOS by Tom O'Neil) and that in general fits in with how the US has functioned since the mid 20th century. this is only one instance of a general strategy of outsourcing work to private contractors, and by manipulating and encouraging the formation of the far-right while not directly controlling it and then curtailing it when it goes too far, the feds effectively are able to do a controlled form of stochastic domestic terrorism that has the same sort of "imperialism turned inwards" function that is commonly described as characteristic of fascism.

oh did you also know that James Mason is a pedophile?

>>2673090
There's absolutely something insanely sketchy about this. I mean, it sounds like moot met with Epstein and then created the board literally on the same day. I think you're missing the point and oversimplifying things when you imply that /pol/ "created" the far-right. It seems to me like it is more complex and sophisticated. I think what they wanted was to draw in a userbase that had a certain psychological profile and political tendencies and control the flow of information inside that sphere; and they also wanted to monitor these people and track their IP addresses and real world locations and identities.

>>2673117
I agree with your thesis and it’s pretty much been proven. It was awhile ago but it came out multiple intelligence agencies were involved with the far right wing group the base. But I think recently the situation has evolved and the dogs off the leash now.

>>2673120
>I think you're missing the point and oversimplifying things when you imply that /pol/ "created" the far-right. It seems to me like it is more complex and sophisticated.
technically yes you're probably right about this, and as I said here >>2673108 the far-right had a presence on the internet long before 4chan even existed. there are all sorts of angles we can analyze to explain why the far-right came into existence in the 2010s.

… but all of this is also kind of besides the point and is more a matter of internal debate. for the purposes of agitprop there needs to be a simple narrative: the elites and feds are implicated in the creation of the far-right today. to some extent, they intentionally astroturfed it because they want to rape children. it doesn't take a smart person who has read theory to understand this and very straightforwardly drives the point that the right must go by any means necessary. we should be trying to get the masses as worked up and enraged as possible about this and demonstrate that all right-wing politics is sophistry to enable pedophile billionaires. it's really that simple.

also I made this thread a bit hastily because I'm losing my mind a little over all this

>>2673121
indeed, there's already a lot of investigative work that's been done on this phenomenon, which saves us a lot of time since all we really need to do is consolidate all of this and distill it into the right kind of messaging.

It's very likely he helped to promote and finance 4chan and also likely that when meeting with moot he would strongly suggest diversifying the site with the addition of a politics forum. But by every indication Epstein was a liberal champagne environmentalist, There's not much to suggest he was interested in seeding the alt-right.

>>2673117
I definitely think a lot of "terrorist attacks" that happen out there are actually managed events (September 11th, October 7th, 2014 Euromaidan shootings, etc…). But at the same time the state cannot allow random, uncontrolled violence that is not "part of the script", hence they have all of these "counter-terror" units monitoring the internet for emerging threats. And the interesting thing about genuine lone wolf attacks is that they're extremely difficult to prevent because a lone wolf by definition is someone that isn't communicating and organizing with other people their plans; therefore there's no online comms to monitor and no place for agents to infiltrate the organization and monitor it from within. In this context, the interesting thing about /pol/ is that it actually draws in violent extremists willing to not only do extreme acts, but also broadcast to their internet friends the fact they're going to do it. So it helps the feds with monitoring the "lone wolf" element. There's also the fact it acts like such a big hub for internet political extremists, and since moot and feds above him can control the content policy, moderation policy, and just basically bot and manipulate the platform to their heart's content; they can basically selectively control the discourse and expose their userbase to their programmed messaging to their heart's content. They can both suppress violent extremism, or amplify it. It's basically like a switch that they control.

Reminder that all rightoid shit across the globe is worshipping Trump and the American right wing aesthetic. You've got Australian, British, SK, Japanese, German rightoids waving US flags and screaming "We are Charlie Kirk".

Everything is pointing to a gigantic internet psyop operation that was started after Occupy Wallstreet.

>>2673090
the only thing is epstein seems like a complete idiot so it probably was not his idea

>>2673150
anytime someone on leftypol tells you the internet can't be used for politics it's probably a IDF glowie that doesn't want leftists copying what they did to 4chan.

>>2673137
>… but all of this is also kind of besides the point and is more a matter of internal debate. for the purposes of agitprop there needs to be a simple narrative: the elites and feds are implicated in the creation of the far-right today. to some extent, they intentionally astroturfed it because they want to rape children. it doesn't take a smart person who has read theory to understand this and very straightforwardly drives the point that the right must go by any means necessary. we should be trying to get the masses as worked up and enraged as possible about this and demonstrate that all right-wing politics is sophistry to enable pedophile billionaires. it's really that simple.

If you want a simple narrative that explains what's going on with /pol/, then I think this one is pretty straightforward and accurate: /pol/ is a fed honeypot that exists under the watch of the deep state.

>>2673150
And the specific thing they wanted to manipulate was politics, hence moot immediately created /pol/…

>>2673143
once you start connecting these dots together you can see why there's probably glowie hands all over this in addition to the billionaires involved in all this. it's a development on tactics that the feds used in the Cold War and that continues to this day in Ukraine of both encouraging stochastic terrorism while also being able to control it. I think the origins of this in guys like Mason and Metzger probably is "grassroots" to some extent insofar as a lot of the early neo-Nazi movement was formed by veterans of the Vietnam war (much like the Sturmabteilung was Freikorps) (see the book Bring the War Home). but at some point, perhaps because of Epstein being prodded by some nameless glowies who are off the record (really extrapolating a lot here but I doubt he came up with this idea on his own), the feds recognized that the growing problem of domestic far-right terrorism could be used for their own ends.

there's two other books I've been meaning to read, Serial Killing for Fun and Profit and Aberration in the Heartland of the Real (on McVeigh) that would imply however that all of this has been going on far longer than any of us think.

>>2673148
important thing to note for people saying that this is USApol leaking out into another thread. I wouldn't have made this thread if it didn't have global significance.

>>2673151
we shouldn't make the mistake of thinking Epstein was the mastermind behind this, for sure. this is undoubtedly a highly coordinated effort by a literal global cabal of billionaires, as the /lgbt/ thread I linked in the OP goes into.

I mean… yeah?

Like what did you think far right ideology was? Sure it's not reasonable to expect people to assume any of the specific details like /pol/ being an op from the start but… isn't this pretty elementary to left wing theory that far right ideology and movements aren't some organic expression of inherent chud tendencies in people, but are a reflection of the values of the ruling class, directly propagandized to a captive audience? Like, that is what churches were always for. That is what schools have pretty much always been (primarily) for. That is what mass media is for, whether that's a pyramid or the show Law and Order. All of it is astroturfed to get people to believe a false narrative about the system that's screwing them. People don't just come up with far right ideology for no reason.

"the anime fascist website is aligned with Zionist fascists" yeah no shit lol

>the entire formation of the far-right was an astroturfing psyop
the PMC reddit hacker class of Linux using degenerates are all just petite Epsteins, get real dude

>>2673153
bingo

>>2673153
Trvke, the rightward shift after 2012 is a phenomenon caused by internet bots and shills brainwashing idiots to do their bidding (die in WW3), and the pedo cultists meeting in secret parties where they eat toddlers are the ones pushing that shit.

>>2673153
these glowies did to the superstructure what marx and lenin did to the base

>>2673155
Its not only under the watch of the "deep state" (what you call deep state is the bourgeoisie), the ideas of /pol/ are directly fed to them from that very "deep state" in the same way Hitler was financed by Wall Street when the NSDAP had to beg for funds in 1931.

>>2673117
>James Mason's book Siege
Also a pedo btw. But yes, "action for the sake of action" is a huge part of fascist hero-idealism.

>>2673159
>>2673160
once again the thing you are all missing is that all of this theorybrained bullshit is irrelevant to actually mobilizing people. you need a clear narrative to frame everything that explains the reality that people have been living through, and all of this provides a very concise, concrete explanation for how the reactionary false consciousness was created and who are behind it.

like this anon said >>2673153 it's time we all stop acting like you can't use the internet to do shit. I don't expect leftypol in particular to evolve beyond its irrelevant degenerated state but I'm trying to plant these ideas in your heads that we have a lot of material here that can be consolidated and distilled into messaging that can shape the current widespread but mostly disorganized rage of the masses into something with clear objectives towards the destruction of the bourgeois and their far-right useful idiot footsoldiers.

we have enough here to convince any average normie who isn't clinically delusional and has drank the Qanon kool-aid in the span of a short pamphlet, a microblogging post, a discussion in the real world, on why these people are not just exploiting us but are actual lying psychopaths who want to rape their kids.

>>2673158
> but at some point, perhaps because of Epstein being prodded by some nameless glowies who are off the record (really extrapolating a lot here but I doubt he came up with this idea on his own), the feds recognized that the growing problem of domestic far-right terrorism could be used for their own ends.

Epstein was groomed by Ehud Barak himself and worked directly under him. There wasn't really any glowie that was above him. I know that he sounds like an idiot sometimes, but the reality is that most people don't really understand how powerful, important, and well-connected he was. It's not even accurate to say that he was a Mossad agent (that was just his girlfriend Maxwell), he was actually ABOVE the level that any intelligence operative plays at. I mean, just look at how many rich and important people he was connected with, that motherfucker was one of the most sucessful networkers who ever lived, and he even had a seat on the Atlantic Council. He was a top-level player within the deep state himself.

>>2673096
The link is that Moot was probably involved in sex parties on Epstein's island and raped there on top of that.

>moot / Epstein link
Was already publicly known at least 3 months ago, assuming longer based on context.

mentioned in vidrel @ 24:20

>>2673090
Considering Epsteins ties to Mossad, it honestly makes perfect sense. Think about it.
-Create /pol/ as a honey pot, thus allowing far right wing propaganda to spread therefore encouraging terrorist attacks. Terror attacks lead to an ever increasing justification for a surveillance state. Some of the more advanced surveillance technology happens to come from private companies not only in America but also Israel.

https://bdsmovement.net/israeli-spyware-facilitates-human-rights-violations

In a sense, what you have is Epstein manufacturing and radicalising fuckers with right wing terroristic ideals, hoping someone does it, and then using that as a pretext for American companies to buy surveillance tech from Israel, surveillance tech which they have used on Palestinians.

-introduce far right wing and conspiratorial thought. This prevents the masses from gaining class consciousness and focusing their attention on the other- immigrants, minorities, trans people etc. therefore allowing the rich to put forward a far right wing populist who will have the masses target them as opposed to other factions. Most far right wing groups again, have ties to Israeli/ US military ops, who mostly gain funding from them too
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00396338.2021.1930409

Now I understand Epstein said he thinks Trump is horrible, but let’s do some thinking here:

Even if this was the case, Epstein knew full well that a lot of far right wing orgs could be used as either proxies of Israel or aid Israel. Creating a whole right wing psy op was one of the means to do so.

This whole culture war shit has been nothing but folks starting inane bullshit over identity politics from the right all the means to groom a politician who would be willing to keep Israel in power.

It seems that Epstein knew that regardless of what the outcome would be for America, Israel would win. Now before anyone accuses me of making “ZOG” arguments, don’t be stupid. America is still very much in charge of Israel and Epstein was the guy to ensure this unholy marriage would continue. And now we have the icing on the cake.

/pol/ was an Epstein proxy and a fed honey pot. They played their user base for fools and ensured they’d be kept in such a state of depravity that they’d play right into the hands of American imperialism and its surveillance state apparatus, all the while Epsteins clients would continue to get rich from the spoils.

Keep digging into the files

>>2673108
>a post from way back in the day that I'm pretty sure I have a screenshot of somewhere
relevant, an archive of a thread from 2012 on this exact topic: https://web.archive.org/web/20131024161801/http://4chandata.org/q/Stormfront-using-4chan-as-a-base-a213744

much like how there were rumors for a long time of MKULTRA's existence before it was officially proven, it's clearly been known for a long time that the billionaire pedo cabal was astroturfing 4chan.