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oth sides claim victory
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US empire violates treaties
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Trump Timeline:
Mar 3: "We won the war."
Mar 7: "We defeated Iran."
Mar 9: "We must attack Iran."
Mar 9: "The war is ending almost completely, and very beautifully."
Mar 11: "You never like to say too early you won. We won. In the first hour it was over."
Mar 12: "We did win, but we haven't won completely yet."
Mar 13: "We won the war."
Mar 14: "Please help us."
Mar 15: "If you don't help us, I will certainly remember it."
Mar 16: "Actually, we don't need any help at all."
Mar 16: "I was just testing to see who's listening to me."
Mar 16: "If NATO doesn't help, they will suffer something very bad."
Mar 17: "We neither need nor want NATO's help."
Mar 17: "I don't need Congressional approval to withdraw from NATO."
Mar 18: "Our allies must cooperate in reopening the Strait of Hormuz."
Mar 19: "US allies need to get a grip - step up and help open the Strait of Hormuz."
Mar 20: "NATO are cowards."
Mar 21: "The Strait of Hormuz must be protected by the countries that use it. We don't use it, we don't need to open it."
Mar 22: "This is the last time. I will give Iran 48 hours. Open the strait"
Mar 22: "Iran is Dead"
Mar 23: "We had very good and productive talks with Iran."
Mar 24: "We're making progress."
Mar 25: "They gave us a present and the present arrived today. And it was a big present worth a tremendous amount of money. I'm not
going to tell you what that present is, but it was a very significant prize."
Mar 26: "Make a deal, or we'll just keep blowing them away"
Mar 27: "We don't have to be there for NATO."
Mar 29: Talks are progressing.
Mar 30: "Open the Strait of Hormuz immediately, or face devastating consequences."
Mar 31: A deal is "very close" and Iran will "do the right thing"
Apr 1: "We'll see what happens very soon."
Apr 3: "Something big is going to happen."
Apr 4: Iran must comply "immediately" or face further consequences.
Apr 5: "Open the fuckin' Strait, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah."
April 7: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will."
April 8: "We won by giving them what they want."
April 12: "Iran promised to open the strait and they didn't do it."
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who's going to win the war comrades?
>US Central Command says it will begin blockade of Iranian ports MondayISLAMABAD (AP) — U.S. Central Command has announced that it will begin a blockade of Iranian ports on Monday at 10 a.m. ET.
CENTCOM said the blockade would be “enforced impartially against vessels of all nations” entering or departing Iranian ports and coastal areas.
It said it would still allow ships traveling between non-Iranian ports to transit the Strait of Hormuz.
Traffic in the Strait has been limited even in the days since the ceasefire. Marine trackers say over 40 commercial ships have crossed since the start of the ceasefire.
https://apnews.com/article/iran-us-israel-trump-lebanon-april-12-2026-a8a0d22918fc3fb30bc3abf1cd5c5a13 >>2779521Iran of course
>but muh k/d ratioyes i suppose the US could kill everyone it exploits and extorts, but then it would have no one left to exploit and extort but its own people. this is why history keeps moving despite the daydreaming NEHcels insisting to the contrary
>>2779529Irans probably gonna rape Israel now that the USA is still in the war though got fucked by Iran
China's and Spain's response to America shutting down the Strait?
if the US navy abandons Japan and South Korea to fight iran, North Korea should immediately invade South Korea
WW3 started in 2014 btw
>>2779502Trump would have to nationalize the oil industry, put forth a export ban and do massive investments in renewables and refineries. To keep gas at $4, and he should have done that two years ago. This is like with the tariffs, he destroyed the chips act which was industrial policy to spur domestic chip .manufacturing and trump ripped that shit up and slap tariffs on everyone. All while the entire economy was shifting towards A.I bullshit and data centers.
>>2779513>Alexander Lukashenko Society For Potato CultivationBased.
Thank you for the bake.
>>2779561>>2779561What the fuck is trump doing
what if iran sank some USA ships thatd be wild that be crazy thatd be nuts
NPR did an interview with a Hezbollah commander now
I saw r world news people seething over this
https://www.npr.org/2026/04/12/g-s1-117045/hezbollah-commander-lebanon-israel>>2779608Damn didn't even bother to dress them up with military fatigues lol.
>>2779608Translator please
>>2779571Literally wouldn't blockading the strait just make them sitting ducks for Iranian drone strikes? I thought that was the whole reason US Navy ships were hanging out all the way down the coast of Oman
Unless they're talking about attacking ships as they exit the gulf or something
it fizzled so hard even a thread about bourgeois elections has more activity than this one
>>2779631nah. they can just patrol international waters outside irans range and steal iranian/russian/chinese tankers headed to china or russia or wherever else
>>2779636Which one is that usapol?
>>2779608Someone should edit an Isis flag in the background
anyways. Iran should immediately resume as before. halt israel's war crimes in Lebanon and on Palestinians
Leaked audio of panic-stricken Trump arguing with the CEO of Exxon
>BREAKING: Anonymous White House staff leaked a phone call The President had with the CEO of Exxon a mere hour after his announcement that the U.S. will be blocking the Strait of Hormuz
>The leaked recording reveals a President desperate to contain a situation spiraling out of control, and assuage the fears of top oil executives.
<“Listen to me. Listen to me!” A voice alleged to be Exxon CEO Darren Woods says.
>”Yes?” An uncharacteristically meek Trump responds
<“Do you realize—DO. YOU. REALIZE. That if the investors see that tweet you put out on the god**** internet, it’ll send oil markets into chaos?” Woods continues.
>”I’m sorry, I’m trying to—“ Trump starts, only for woods to talk over him.
<“Delete the tweet!”
>”I’m working on it!”
<“Now!”
>”I’m working on it!” Trump repeats
<“You better! And get that god**** strait open!”
>”I will! I’m doing everything in my power!”
<“You better… [unintelligible]… you just stuck a knife in us and killed us!”
>At this point Trump appears to start speaking to Sec of War Pete Hegseth
>”I want that strait open! Now! Now! Now! NOW!”
>>2779689link to the audio NOW!
>>2779689I can't tell if this is real or not
>>2779689This is almost certainly bullshit but I choose to believe it
>>2779689audio and source, please.
>>2779689All those who don't recognize Chris Chan on an imageboard smdh
>>2779529Are you that based india-anon on /chug/? There's a remarkably articulate and based india poster that keeps popping up with based analysis and collects NAFOid headlines and their writing style reminds me of you
>>2779686i swear if Iran gets attacked first in ANOTHER blindside decapitation attack the day before the ceasefire is up… I will be very disappointed
>>2779708kids these days amirite
>>2779724The content creator also made a hilariously bad debunk socialism video where he conflates money with power and concludes that socialism is about "reducing inequality" using le state to end "corruption".
He's an idealist of the highest order, and from his other videos, im inferring he's probably an evolian or guenonian with christian integralist characteristics
>>2779801He’s a probably a “America first” er
>>2779803Its worse than that, you should watch his videos yourself, they're full of absolutely illiterate highschooler takes. He also seems to have an austroid view of money which tracks with how he thinks influence is derived from exchanging money for power, as opposed to the the relationship of the means of production.
Personally I blame the ease of animating software, which has democratized making shitty videos for every rightoid regard.
>>2779808
Why are you this obsessed with the phrase “it’s da joooz” your acting like I think it’s the Jews?
>>2779810Oh yeah he’s a “capitalist”
>>2779827
how about you come up with a hypothesis so we can laugh
>>2779827
NTA but it would seem to simply be pushback against idealist analysis (or most charitably, historical trivia promised 2000 ago) used to explain present conditions
>🇦🇺🇺🇸🇮🇷Australia announces it won’t participate in Trump’s blockade on Iran, after the UK announced the same earlier today
>>2779821
Yeah I know who cares though
>>2779827
Because some people genuinely think it’s da joooz which is wrong
I think he's going to go back on the blockade bullshit by Tuesday
>>2779869
most people don't get molested so you're just spraying and praying your edgelord shit hurts someone's feefees
>>2779571The Real Iran Felix
>>2779914American dad is shit now
strait satus?
>>2779941The us are actual morons blockading a blockade?
>>2779941Electric car time baybee
>>2779950I like this lil dude
>>2779948Just sore infantile losers who think they (and the world economy) can outlast Iran.
>>2779941is this a reference to something that is really happening i am very confused
>>2779972Oh man, 100 days till WW3? I thought Trump prided himself on being "ahead of schedule, and under budget"?
>>2779984we're talking about a senile child molester who somehow managed to bankrupt casinos, a type of business that produces no commodities and takes advantage of gambling addicts
if quads burger reich must die
>>2779977The terribleness of liberalism
>>2779977I can confirm
Google still has the names
>>2780006
What crime did this "pro-DEI woke communist" commit according to that mutant?
>>2779999It was inevitable
>>2780009Because a petulant child with dementia was given the ability to war against the rest of the world until he fights alone, as was written of him.
>>2779528lmao, wait and see if Dotard's double blockade actually happens. Levels of retardation like noone has ever seen.
>>2780009
Will Amerikkkan crackers side with Zion Pedo Don or the other Pedo leader
>>2780032Yes, they will side with netanyahu.
>>2780009
>I don't want a Pope
Duh, he's an atheist pretending to be a Protestant.
wow people are really flipping out about about the iran war despite it being a relatively favorable matchup, guess they dont like war when it isn't claimed to be about self defense
>>2780037Most people are antiwar, especially after being lied to for so long, when defense of the homeland is all that's necessary to maintain any sovereign nation. They didn't even try to sell this unjust war, they just did it illegally. Since Israel is the party most responsible then they must make concessions before peace is possible but so must their ally. Their nuclear weapons must be inspected and sanctioned if not dismantled outright since they are most likely to use them.
>>2780006
iran exacting a decapitation strike in extreme slow motion
>>2779977Apple is zionist?
>>2779953
Wasn't Me
>>2780036He’s the antichrist Pretending to be a Christian
>held the Bible upside down>refused to touch the Bible during inauguration >has been asked to name his favorite verse from the Bible and has deflected with “well it’s very personal I don’t want to say it out loud” >>2780053>Pretending to be a ChristianInspired by the first imperialist Neo-Assyrian empire, the Jewish bible is the original textbook for how to be an imperialist nazi.
😏 lol, actually Netyanyahu is so true to say that Israel is the most moral army in the world! They are 100% consistent with Judeo-Christian Zionist morality of enslaving and raping goy cattle for the Jeffrey Epstein class and their camp follower PMC priest class of JD Vanceling liberals.
>>2780053>He’s the antichrist Pretending to be a ChristianThis is true, but whether or not he's the last one isn't for us to know. There have been many since the Apostles John and Paul explained who and what he is.
>>2780057>Christian ZionistOxymoron. You can be one or the other but not both.
>>2780058No, answering previous thread somewhere in the middle
>>2780064you know you can >> a post from the previous thread in this thread and it will still link correctly, right? makes it less confusing. just a suggestion for next time. take it or leave it.
>>2780046the vast majority of corporations in NATO countries are
>>2780053>my abrahamic lore is TRUE IRLwhy are levant weebs like this? your anime will never be real
Has anyone made a fleet tracker for the United States yet?
>>2780055True but it's better that Cuckpan is slowly drifting away from Amerikkka
>>2780115
>most tolerant society
>5th highest incarceration rate per capita in the world
Lol, lmao even
>>2779977>Apple removes village names from Southern Lebanon on its maps before Israel detonates themIt would be antisemitic to leave them there.
>>2780128
>>2780130
underage & edgy award
>>2780145>We rarely see the humanity of Iranian people, even on this supposedly anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist boardbecause it should go without saying
….unfortunately we have edgelord chinlets like this anon
>>2780147 >>2780158
nobody said it was heroic except you weirdo
>>2780136
>not even underage
>some mentally ill 50 year old who has lawyers and south park tier humor
>>2780136
>Maslon LLP
why would you narrow down your location like this. most unwise.
>>2780158
You called an Iranian victim who is a brown man a "trained monkey". Kys zionist
There's an anime that's real and that's umamusume.
>>2779608he's gotta be saying some vile shit if he's chosen hebrew, or as I've taken to calling it: racist double dutch.
>>2780002apple maps uses open street map. probably a lot of idf sockpuppet accounts to delete that much at once.
>>2780145muslims are the best at hospitality, change my mind
>>2780210Hopefully the EU will hold another sanctions vote on Pissrael now that Orban has lost, and his government was the only country that voted against it.
>>2780212Meh… Now that Orban is gone they'll just get some other good goys like the Germs or the Engl*sh to block it for them.
>>2780213Judging by how the Straight of KHÄMAS is leaving a lot of people burned out on Amerikkka and Pissrael, I doubt it. I give it a 70% chance that it would work.
>>2780212Already told you it's not in the interest of Magyar Péter.
>>2780216He wants EU money
>>2780218He wants to hold onto the voter base he conquered from Fidesz. Local zionists have no loyalty to Fidesz in particular. As long as they can get to zionism hard, they are okay with Tisza.
It's that simple.
Soros-backed delulu neoliberal media be like:
>This regime change is different from the previous one in many ways. Fortunately, it did not take 40 years, and the regime that has now been purged did not commit nearly as many atrocities as the communists. However, in the most important aspect, which is the essence of regime changes, we are in the same place as in 1989: Hungarians have once again been given the chance by history to decide for themselves their fate and the kind of country they would like to live in.
>What makes this regime change more sublime and uplifting than the previous one is that the Hungarians did not carry it out with the tailwind of history supporting them. The countries of Eastern Europe were able to change regimes in 1989 thanks to the death throes of the Soviet Union, encouraged and helped by the West. In 2026, however, there is a headwind. Hungarians chose freedom in a historical situation when its appeal and appeal in the Western world is paler than at any time since 1945.
>Perhaps the Hungarian regime change marks the turning point of this trend, and in that case, Hungarians can also be proud that they were the first to get tired of the post-democratic illiberal slog, in which they were stuck for nearly two decades, to the point where not only Vienna but also Warsaw are now unreachable from Budapest. But even if no one else takes their example, Hungarians can still be proud of what they have now achieved.
>April 12, 2026, has its place among the unfortunately few glorious days of Hungarian history. It is no exaggeration to say that this country has not thrown a punch like this since the autumn of 1956, seventy years ago.https://444.hu/2026/04/13/jo-szerencset-uj-magyarorszagLet's cheer on for the "regime change" (it will still be capitalism,
but the good type!) that totally did not receive foreign support. These guys are just as anti-communist, but they are the
enlightened anti-communist types!
>>2780221Sounds like a cope from a zister. Hungarians are also feeling the gas and oil prices and it's pretty open that Israel is responsible for that
Trumps plan is so fucking low autism score that it has me second guessing if its actually a secret 360D chess move and im missing something. Does he realise Iran shares land borders with Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan? Am I missing something and im the idiot?
>>2780231Why on Earth would Magyar throw away like 2-3% of his base to "own" Israel in a conflict 2500 kms away?
>muh gas, muh oilMagyar branded himself as more pro-NATO than Orbán. Why in the fuck he suddenly show sympathy towards Palestine that wasn't even part of the political debates the last 2 years between Tisza and Fidesz?
You guys have left reality with your copium and hopium. You backed a Brussels paid Juan Guaido and now project onto him completely unrealistic shit.
You are wishcasting, because you can't face picrel.
>>2780233He does a retarded thing every weekend in order to bring down the markets and profit through insider trading. He'll probably TACO on that after cashing in on his short position.
>>2780233we are witnessing a flailing empire in decay where the people in power have decided that their last worthwile move is to burn the world down to be kings of the ashes.
as retarded and delusional as they are, even they know that going nuclear will have them spend their remaining days in luxury bunkers - at best. thus the next best move is to wreck the world economy in a bet that somehow, magically, burgerland will be the least devasteted country and can lord over the rubble.
as for the senile molester in chief, his only plan is aggrandizing himself and enriching his family and his cronies. he is a literal and complete failson who for all his life was bailed out for his family name and his family name only. he is incapable of planning anything because he never had to.
>>2780009
pope leo for the love of god i am begging of you EXCOMMUNICATE EVERYONE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION AND DECLARE TRUMP TO BE THE ANTICHRIST
>>2780213UK government has ruled out helping block the strait. I can't see any nation besides Israel offering to help tbqh.
>>2780236NTA but doesn't matter lol. Hungary is irrelevant and Magyar is literally ex-Fidesz. Why cheer for either side in an election with no political differences between the candidates? Is there any reason to prefer Orban or Magyar?
>>2780233There is no 4d or 36d chess move secret plan. Trump is incompetent and will destroy the US global empire by retardation.
>>2780254>Is there any reason to prefer Orban or Magyar?Not like not selling out the entire infrastructure and factories to the Western bourgeoisie? Like not blindly accepting imperialist dictums coming from Brussels?
>>2780260Anon… those are all landlocked nations…
They're counties without navies. It's a joke post.
How can people who post here fall for such shit?
>>2780265It's the same shit
>>2780269I'm autistic af and even I got it. He's just doing the double reverse ironic stealth bait switcheroo
>>2780266>They're counties without navies.Mongolian navy does exist, but mostly patrols the lake
>>2780273>He's just doing the double reverse ironic stealth bait switcherooI wasn't. Maybe I should book in to see a doctor.
>>2780265Every important decision in the EU is made by the states which are part of the EU. These states make unpopular decisions, then kayfabe to domestic voters about how oppressed they are by muh Brussels. As for the bourgeoisie, it's a completely empty point, you sound like you came from a time machine where the Warsaw Pact still exists. You're 40 years late for that conversation.
>>2780293>kayfabeGlad I'm not the only one who was thinking this. i was just thinking about how Orban's role in the EU is so similar to the Democrats 'rotating villian' (Manchin/Sinema/Lieberman)
Since this is a recurring argument here, I'm gonna make a long post on why an oil shortage and an increase in the price will definitely harm the US (despite it being an oil net exporter), and also try to compare that to China whenever possible since everybody talks about them ITT and whether they get relatively harmed more than the US.
1- Something basic first: Oil is fungible and therefore any change in the global average price will flow everywhere else eventually. There are some differences in regional prices but in general you shouldn't act as if economies are self-contained systems or some shit. Too many of you seriously think that American oil production changes something wrt this.
2- The US is not an oil rentier state that relies on primary sector exports to shore up its budget. The federal government doesn't have an oil company that's state-owned (completely or majorly) nor does it have a sovereign wealth fund based on commodities on the federal level.
The government does get more money from oil companies if they perform better via corporate taxes, but you can say the same thing about any industry/enterprise (lots of which would have their operations negatively impacted by an increase in oil prices, btw). Oil also makes up less than 2% of America's GDP.
3- Speaking of oil corporations, while it's true that it's a net positive for them if the price increases, it's not completely good nor do they like it. They prefer stable oil prices without any volatile swings, regardless of whether it's going up or down. This is why they keep shutting down oil rigs despite the increased prices.
4- The US is a consumer economy that's mostly powered by consumer spending. In recent decades the budget of your average citizen has been eaten up by gasoline & food prices, two items that have had their prices sharply increased by the current crisis. Lower consumer spending & an increased debt burden on your average person there can noticeably negatively impact the economy, as we've seen with the two fiscal quarters of negative GDP growth during Biden's presidency.
While consumer spending has taken up a greater share of the Chinese economy, it's still pretty low by American & G7 standards, as exemplified by Westoid economists saying the CCP should increase consumer spending whenever there's an economic hiccup. Chinese consumers are also less impacted by gasoline prices because of a combination of less car-dependency and a greater share of the cars there being EVs.
5- American internal economic logistics is based mostly around trucks and some freight trains, both of which are mostly diesel-powered, and diesel has increased in price even faster than gasoline during the current crisis. These increased costs for transportation will stream down on both consumers & businesses.
Chinese internal logistics is almost completely based on trains, all of which are electrified and don't need to use diesel. In America only passenger train lines are electrified and even then not completely (you really learn how shit and primitive American rail is every day lol).
6- Over the past three decades the US federal government has accumulated an extremely large fiscal debt. This mostly didn't matter back then, especially during the ZIRP era, because debt payments were low and were actually getting lower even as the debt increased.
That all changed with the inflation brought on by COVID, which necessitated elevated interest rates in order to fight it. Suddenly all the federal debt accumulated irresponsibly over the years activated like a trap and increased debt payments started to take a noticeable chunk of the federal budget. While inflation has cooled and interest rates has gotten lower, it's still extremely high for the current level of debt that the government has. The current crisis is of course inflationary, and has already delayed a rate cut by the Federal Reserve and might even cause them to raise if it gets bad enough.
China obviously doesn't have an extremely large national debt like the US. They don't need to worry about this.
>>2780309Yep. Pretty much. Oil markets are global. Refineries in Texas aren't going to get a cheaper deal on the oil they buy just because they are buying from american producers, and the price increases will get passed on to companies and individual consumers, which will drive up inflation and eventually reduce economic activity. High oil prices will eventually shaft the american economy just as much as the rest of the world.
TLDR: This war is for Israel, not for the oil.
>>2780309will america be harmed? absolutely, everyone involved will be damaged in some way, but its also fact that american oil exporters are gobbling up the market share of their competitors in the gulf and its a huge boon for american industry and their competitiveness in the global market.
>>2780318Oil production is less than 3% of US GDP anon. It barely makes any difference.
>>2780322>Oil production is less than 3% of US GDP anonthe money involved isn't what makes oil exports lucrative my guy. imperialism is all about the balance of spheres of power and the fight for limited export markets. closing the Gulf isn't just effecting the oil market, america is also capturing the fertilizer and helium export markets.
Qatar produced 1/3 of the worlds helium, an essential ingredient for semiconductor production. The second biggest exporter? America.
America is slowly closing the fertilizer (urea) market. In 2021 China (#1 producer) banned exports of it. In 2022 Russia (#2 producer) was forced out of the global market because of Ukraine. Now the gulf (#3 producer) is being blockaded. Who's the next biggest exporter? What a coincidence, its America!
And all of this is downstream from oil/natgas production, which america has just captured the majority of the market of
>>2780270I wish your country's economy be privatized for foreign porkies.
>>2780318>>2780324Gulfies getting fucked is still a net positive. And fossil fuel dominance doesn't matter that much in the long-term because it will eventually be phased-out and become outdated.
>>2780327It already was. So was Hungary.
How is it possible that the actual Lebanese government and forces are such traitorous scum that they are not even trying to fight pissrael
>>2780334The bourgeois state is never a friend
>>2780334They want to sit at the table the way cucktin wants to be part of the garden.
They are all snobs and cargocultists.
The US double blockade will start in half an hour.
>>2780338And that is stupid. I’m curious as to why he chose to do this instead of a ground invasion. Maybe another way to manipulate the market?
>>2780340Worried about the US soldiers getting droned in Iran
>still no ground invasion
in the future people will refer to this era as "the cuck wars"
>>2780351i can't even begin to imagine how textbooks will describe this era in burger history
>>2780352the era of 'mad' president trump
>>2780356a new wave of airstrikes that catches the leadership unaware. But don't worry they got 8 more layers.
we are now in blockade
>>2780324>Money isn't what makes [insert anything here] lucrativeNon-sequitur
>Urea, fertilizer, helium, LNGYou can sum all of that up and it doesn't even make up 2% of the GDP
Commodities are cheap and inherently negligible within a highly financialized and tech-heavy country like the US. The bulk of the american economy is affected very negatively by this crisis.
>giving a shit about gdp ever
lol
NO MORE DUBAI CHOCOLATE
>>2780344Why though? His rep is already in the shitter. At this point he’s already getting into the thick of it. And he’s already demonstrated he doesn’t really care too much for the lives of the military, and is currently reshuffling members at them moment.
>>2780376Military coup is my guess plus Americans have a very low threshold for burgers getting cooked.
I honestly barely know anymore though.
>>2780378>Military coup is my guessHe’s already couping the military himself though
>Americans have a very low threshold for burgers getting cooked.Do they?
>>2780381I think if tiktok and instagram started getting flooded with burger boys getting blown tf up it might change the disposition a little bit but probably not that much.
Would be hilarious watching Amerikkkian imperialist shockkktroopers turning into pink mist from a drone strike while someone edits a green alien doing the naenae into the video
>>2780326Haha jokes on you, my cunt has already been fully privatized so I was forced to leave
>>2780394>my cunt has already been fully privatized so I was forced to leaveThat's just called being born anon
>>2780394That’s personal property anon
>>2780396They should just materialize in Jerusalem with Shi'ite magic.
>>2780396You have to have diarrhea for brains if you think this is anyway feasible.
>>2780396I'm sure Jewlani, Jordan and Bog iraq will let them pass
>>2780416dude is just typing shit
>>2780388i mean 1/3 of the population unironically views him as a living god.
>>2780419>The Red force, led by retired Marine Corps Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper, used numerous asymmetrical tactics unanticipated by the Blue force; a pre-emptive cruise missile attack sank sixteen Blue warships and led to the exercise's suspension. The simulation was restarted with Blue forces fully restored, and Red forces heavily constrained from free-play "to the point where the end state was scripted",[4] resulting in a Blue victory.American won simulator. kek
>>2780416>98% of drugs coming into america have stoppedquick someone get a camera and go down to the closest high street in a city you can find
>>2780430Here’s the thing with drugs, especially hard drugs, you don’t have to import them, any idiot with a trailer or a garage can make meth or fentanyl, they’re entirely synthetic anyway
>>2780425And if he’s dead or in jail they’ll move on to a new golden calf
>>2780432you can't make cocaine domestically
>>2780431
>buckbroken
/pol/ not thinking about sex with black men challenge.
>>2780431
Why does he look like he's in the verge of tears?
>>2780435Not even with indoors farming?
>>2780431
>germany after handing out a blank cheque to their best ally: noooooooo the austrians are controlling us!!!! we have no agency!!!!! 😡😡
>>2780436Racism and it’s consequences has been a disaster for the “white race”.
>>2780407Why doesn't Iran increase favors and relations with their neighbors? Are they stupid? Then they can ask for mil access
>>2780438i'm trying to look it up and as far as i can see there's only ever been one coca bust in the US, in Hawaii
>>2780435Cocaine is popular but they will switch to meth when coke isn’t available
>>2780443low pp gain due to protest national spirit
cocaine sucks anyway
>>2780443>heh why doesn't Iran just *vaguely do something* and win? It's literally that easy.You have to be an unironic maga fag to say something as legitimately stupid as this.
>>2780457Because you're all too low autism score and you instantly betray yourselves.
>>2780457ZOG is usually just a covert way of saying da joos.
While its true that something around 80% of jews are zioshit jewish supremacists youre ignoring that this is because most normal jews were killed in the holocaust or bullied by the zionists themselves into abandoning their own beliefs and culture (see: the yiddish)
There's also that a massive chunk of zionists arent even jewish, but evangelical christians and secular liberals that buy into "the poor jews need a state because the 'caust" narrative.
it's pretty funny that the phrase "thought terminating cliche" has become a thought terminating cliche.
>>2780445>Why would zionists need toImplying it's a hypothetical
>the average american porky and ergo all potential presidents and politicians are already zionistsWow burghers would just suck israel's schlong for free. Someone tell AIPAC, the ADL, and all the jewish billionaires to stop wasting all those billions of dollars in lobbying since its unnecessary.
>>2780462>ZOG is usually just a covert way of saying da joos.Then you don't have a problem with "antisemitism", you have a problem with people criticizing zionism and its influence on ZOGs like the US.
>>2780430>>2780420>>2780419>>2780417You won't believe this shit leftychuds.
The orange retard AGAIN turned off truthsocial.
And it appears every time he does that, they tell google to deindex the link.
https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/KWAB.
>>2780460>>2780461>>2780462>>2780463>>2780469>Post IDF fags getting their comeuppance>Triggered zionist fags come crawling out of the woodwork"Lefty"-pol is kinda sus
>>2780462True…but the post you responded to is a particularly strange choice
>>2780472I think the nagscreen works the same way as xitter, you can link to a specific tweet but you can't browse without an account
>>2780489
>the entire internet is /pol/
Persecution complex
>>2780489
>The moderation in this website is so shit,
Post a news article without a link, they'll turn up instantly.
Don't ask for the bare minimum of quality control re OPs though, wrecker behaviour.
>>2780498links should always be posted thats just common decency
>>2780248>israel helping with the blockadeisrael's "navy" is useless against anything stronger than unarmed flotillas going to Gaza
>>2780497
What europe did them exactly wtf?
>>2780517
3-4*
crossposters should be hanged
>>2780531We'll see if either a Chinese ship gets blown up or they appear on marine trackers transiting normally, both of which would be bad PR for the Americans.
>>2780531Is Trump and Hegseth mushbrained enough to force China to do something?
>>2780531just watch as marines just board and steal a full chinese tanker like they do with the russian ones while xi the retard does nothing just like his monke counterpart in moscow
fuck mods tor banned vpns banned leftypol is dead
>>2780527They're not even bothering to hide it anymore.
>>2780531>>2780541>>2780542If they actually block/seize the Chinese ships, China will give Iran top tier anti-ship missiles so they can wipe out the American fleet and break the blockade.
>>2780470the same post you are quoting mentions "zioshit jewish supremacists" further down. do you think we can't read the conversation. do you think it's just a matter of repeating accusations until enough dumb people latch onto your tone without scrolling up? do you think your allies are dogs and fools?
>>2780531Oh hell yeah World War 3 baybeeeeeeee
>>2780457death to zionism and also you are pol
>>2780457polfags are zionazis btw
>>2780531In WW3…
America = Nazi Germany
Israel = Fascist Italy
China = 1940s USA
Iran = The USSR
any questions?
>>2780551so who's going to win?
>>2780551fascist italy was a complete joke compared to israel
>>2780243Sorry to single you out anon.
But i see alarming #of comments that seem to think this is all Trump's doing, as if be is more a figurehead than any other playable. The Iran war is thanks to the transnational capitalist class, and their deep state (CIA) puppets. All these decisions were already made . Trumps execution of the plans might be retarded, but he's not the one pulling the strings.
When you give Trump so much credit you sound like Democraps.
>>2780547>the same post you are quoting mentions "zioshit jewish supremacists" further down.It's bold of you to assume I bother fully reading what anime posters have to say.
>>2780457No one here is a jewish supremacist. You are the ones who always resort to the thought-terminating cliche "it's the jews" whenever you stub a toe or see a woman having opinions online. And you know we're right and you're wrong because you keep coming here now that it's clear that /pol/ is less capable of criticizing israel despite apparently hating the jews so much.
It's fine. As it turns out. this whole culture war thing turned to be a big dumb distraction that didn't end up in actual differences. Both sides are now with Iran and China and against the American ruling class. The people who have money and much to lose stopped caring somewhere around the start of university education. Material reality, as it turns out, is the primary influence in who you are. Just grow up some more.
>>2780556>the transnational capitalist classLiterally 99%+ of them are getting shafted by the blockage of the strait and would have preferred for this war to end immediately or (preferably) for it to not even have started. Only oil and gas execs outside of the gulf monarchies are benefiting and they're a tiny minority of the capitalist class. You can watch the stock markets negatively react in real time to escalation and positively to the possibility of peace.
>and their deep state (CIA) puppetsTrump's own intelligence apparatus and his own cabinet (except for Hegseth) was fully aware that the war would be a disaster and that it was better not to do it. That's why Joe Kent quit and spoke out.
This war has nothing to do with any national or rational interest on the part of the US and its capitalist class. The truth is that Trump is a blackmailed pedo and Israel is running the show.
>>2780578
Why? By just being an ancap while Pissrael is socdem.
>>2780514Thanks.
I used whatever came up first on google.
So what's going on? Who controls the strait?
>>2780590
the burger-in-chief likes burgers
what could the PRC even do if Trump started commandeering PRC tankers? nothing
>>2780596Open fire obviously? That's an act of war
>>2780597yeah but they wouldn't do that obviously
>>2780600Why not? What's the motivation to completely cuck out to American troops pirating Chinese vessels?
>>2780579>No one here is a jewish supremacist.The mods are, for one. They regularly delete and ban users who criticize Israel and zionist influence over western countries. The original post that they deleted in this very chain, for example, simply showed a video of Netanyahu with his own words claiming that Trump's admin reports to him every single day. With a comment dunking on ZOG-deniers. The threshhold for "antisemitism" the mods use is clearly the same that's used by the ADL and IHRA to censor anti-zionist voices throughout social media. There are several posters on this board who post pro-zionist and anti-palestinean content and they clearly don't get as much attention from the moderation.
>Muh anti-/pol/ rant against some strawman you built inside your tiny brainPol is not the only place in the entire universe that's anti-zionist your drooling mongoloid
>>2780594Iran. Trump is too much of a dumbass to comprehend the full situation and refuses to do a land invasion. Iran is still profiting and dealing with China/other countries through the strait. Trump genius idea of blockading the strait themselves only gave pretty much every other country in the world a caucus belli, including china. In his shitty attempt to avoid direct combat, he may have started ww3 instead.
>>2780599The bell is too perfect
>>2780603the PRC is all about trademaxxxxxxxxxxing havent you heard?? the cost analysis doesn't pan out. it'd cost more to war with the USA than it would to simply wait for Iran to collapse and trade to normalize again
Is there literally any creditable source for the Chinese tanker that supposedly turned around due to the blockade?
>>2780606>refuses to do a land invasion.They only got 7k marines/paratroopers they can actually deploy. They literally can't do anything meaningful in terms of boots on the ground right now and it would take many months to amass a real force even if they decided to.
>>2780603Potential nuclear armageddon
>>2780612Which makes his decision to start a conflict with iran even more mind boggling. And it still doesn’t justify the act of blockading either.
>>2780606other countries won't do shit if the USA steals their tankers. they'll have strong words at the UN. that's it
>>2780615other countries will start retrofitting warship weapons onto container ships
It's too stupid to be true and it's too early for the USanian empire to suicide in this fashion, I think there must be some 20d chess somewhere.
For fuck sake they were planning this war for 40 years the fuck is this mong shit
>>2780626holy genetic bottleneck batman
>>2780622>>2780624Texas Occupied Government
>>2780626It's real, we are monke and some more monke than others.
>>2780622I do think most people jump the shark by a lot. Brian Belretic does a good job keeping things grounded. The situation is still very dangerous.
>>2780637
>Everything should be sacrificed for the only real country, Israel
>>2780605>muh zog>were not an evil empire with an incompetent retard at the helm, its all israel fault!you're just mad you get banned when you slip poltard
>>2780590
Of course he's getting mcdonalds
>>2780610business idea: AI trained as a super recogniser for zionists.
>>2780651
>mmmh I wonder why they call israel the little satan and usa the great satan
nobody deny israel has influence, just that "zog" is pure polyp cope
>>2780637
>Lets get ass-blasted by even more angry mountain people with hypersonic missiles and drones
Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas are all crypto-zionists because they don't agree with the stormfront 'ZOG' theory
Ok, so this was all planned and predictable… They expect China will just stay in the corner and look? Because now is up to that, will China escalate?
>>2780668the PRC will abandon Iran because that's dengist doctrine
>>2780668defending their shipping is not escalation
>>2780676i didn't say it's the PRCs responsibility to do that
>>2780667♫♪ Your government is run by pedophiles, they ordered you to die for Israel ♪♫
>>2780675
Nobody has called Israel innocent. Why do you need to make shit up to defend your stormfront theories?
>>2780680>Noooo aCktually UR the 1 doing da strawmaning!!!1!Every accusation a confession indeed.
>>2780676If they don't get oil from Iran their economy won't be as good
>>2780671It is, or I mean the US alreay escalated. Now what will china do? Just take it?
>>2780685Lol pussy ass bitches
>>2780682Their strategic oil reserves can outlast this war even if it drags on for a year. The global economy will collapse before they run out.
>>2780684If there's a war between the US and China, sea traffic around the South China Sea will cease and China's economy would be in a bad position. They want to help Iran enough that it can keep the US busy and make it bleed, but not enough to get dragged into the hostility themselves.
>>2780590
gorbachev moment
>>2780685sail further than columbus to get blown up by iranians
>>2780685cape route, more like
COPE route 🤣🤣
If blockading China is the objective here, why not just blow up their whole infrastructure and fields?
>>2780697Are they even actually blocking China at all? Are they even blocking anything?
>>2780698They sending carriers there for blockading the straight, therefore nothing goes out with oil.
you guys ready for $10/gal gas? last ships from gulf arrive this week to burgerland shores starting on the 15th. strategic reserve supposedly keeps releasing 1m barrel a day equivalent until july according to grok this only offsets 1/8th of the blockade.
do we expect rationing? odd/even driving days like the 70s? shipping premiums? amazon same day prime over forever? or are they just gonna fuck everyone in the ass and fire people for not showing up to work at a loss on commute lol?
>>2780700I'm asking if they're actually doing it and not playing pretend.
>>2780685literally Russo-Japanese War 2
From what I know these things are super slow, I really don't know what the point of the blockade is, it'll take like a a month and a half before iran actually feels it, the ceasefire would be done by then and the US economy would already be hurting a fucking lot, even if the blockade is effective, this is something that plays on Iran's strategy of compounding economic pain
>>2780507weren't sending missiles at Iran in behalf of the US,basically being on Iran side by proxy (lol)
>>2780309they know they just think it will hurt china more, and they are wrong. same gamble as with ukraine, they played themselves. capitalism doesnt have a choice they need to reset the falling rate of profit from the decline in fracking development saturation or the post 2008 financial tricks will finally catch up with them
>The US is not an oil rentier state yes but there is no other source of profit than labor and they dont have room for expansion because of technological saturation. the only avenue for profit under monopoly conditions w tech saturation is austerity or rent. therefore: the contradiction of necessary extraterritorial expansion under imperialism despite compounding risk
>Oil also makes up less than 2% of America's GDP.it also touches every single commodity in the world because its necessary to bring them to market, not to mention manufacture
>consumer economy that's mostly powered by consumer spendingno shit?
>>2780324>the money involved isn't what makes oil exports lucrative my guy. imperialism is all aboutyeah. division of the world and all that.
jus reat lenoon ppl
>>2780703Blockade started couple of hours ago, let's see.
>>2780702no rationing in the first world, they have enough money to capture most oil, but you should expect high inflation and perhaps scarcity in groceries
>>2780721shits gonna suck. looking into bus routes in my fuckass carcity
>>2780610>monitoring the DSAWhat a waste of man power
>>2780580>This war has nothing to do with any national or rational interest on the part of the US and its capitalist class. idk how you idiots are capable of breathing. rational interest doesnt mean conscious decision isnt a proxy for "good" and doesnt apply to individuals. the state is an organ for class rule and the capitalist state exists to mediate disputes between capitalists. capitalism is an impersonal force that drives policy, not rational agents
>>2780675
>innocent israel
way to out yourself polyp, you're so obvious because you're just the champions of bad faith, anything else than "its all israel US is innocent its zog" is responded with "you're a jew!". You just cant admit you're the greater satan
>>2780670lmao no they wont, you're just a coping anti china glowie
>>2780732how is that anti PRC?
>>2780610Damn I wonder how much money they wasted spying on me?
>>2780737PRC leadership is amoral marxist machiavellian dengist. they will pursue what is in their best interest without regard to your regressive moralistic objections.
>amoral marxist machiavellian dengist
based
>>2780684the blockade also hurts the US because the market is global, exact reason why iranian sanctions were lifted to begin with. they're probably thinking that the trump will pussy out of their blockade, or that they're using it for some retarded narrative about making iran cave
>>2780737You need to pay more attention to your country’s government rather than china. Governments still respond to internal pressures public opinion, economic performance, and external constraints (trade relationships, alliances, reputational costs). And what counts as “best interest” is itself
China has no obligation to do anything . I dislike this stupid reasoning that somehow, just because you are allied, they need to help you forcefully. They don't; alliances are temporary .
>>2780743Shit, replied to the wrong person. Disregard.
>>2780741its codeword for liberalism btw
>>2780684China won't care. They are practically immune to the sanctions now. They know Trump will cuck out
>>2780743true. the only thing that is real is the iron-clad supreme law of common interest. should the basis of that common interest die, the alliance dies.
>>2780748those are 4 words actually
>>2780637
The US getting into a fight against NATO over turkish-israeli relations would be fucking hilarious
>>2780749Trump literally can’t afford to cuck put, and his attempts to do so are only making the situation worse for him.
>>2780729>idk how you idiots are capable of breathingHe can't understand a perfectly straightforward argument, therefore he assumes he's smarter than the person he's arguing with. Dunning-kruger in action.
>rational interest doesnt mean conscious decision isnt a proxy for "good" and doesnt apply to individualsThe argument is simple and holds from a class-based perspective: The overwhelming majority of stakeholders are directly having their wealth reduced as a result of this war. Try to make a single argument as to why this actually benefits "the capitalist class" in abstract without sounding like a retard (spoiler: you can't).
>the state is an organ for class rule and the capitalist state exists to mediate disputes between capitalistsWhich almost universally do not want/support this war because it goes directly against their material interests.
>capitalism is an impersonal force that drives policyFor the benefit of the ruling class, which (if we assume it to be that of an abstract "capitalist class", as you put it) is not served by this war.
>>2780704No, it means they just stopped transmitting. Transmitting is voluntary.
people need to understand the difference between the cause of war (american imperialism) and reason for war (epstein files)
>>2780571
c'mon Donny boy nvke the Watican already
>>2780776Oh, we gladly admit to that, though. Except (you) are using "zionist" as a dogwhistle for "jew", while we use it to mean "white supremacist ethno-nationalist".
how high do petrol prices in the US have to hit before libs start doing their tiktok dances and dressing up in costumes in the streets of california/nyc and hoping that somehow fixes everything?
>>2780767They transmitted a bit after I posted that, seems like they are still traveling out of the strait
>>2780786I’m more worried about when the gas riots start. This isn’t a situation that’s just going to die down.
>>2780786The libs are already planning to "fight back" at the polls.
The plan since the election has been to lie down and let Trump go nuts to motivate people to vote Democrat in the midterms. That's what the No Kings shit is all about. So essentially they've been at it since last year.
>>2780789You don't have to worry about the gas riots if you do not have a car. Get a bike fr fr
>>2780786i think trump legally has to resign if they do just one more no kigns rally pretty sure thats how it works i think idk
>>2780790i sincerely hope he just cancels midterms
>>2780789Things are slowly heating up, but they have been heating up for literal years now. But Sam Altman getting two attacks at his home in a week, and the disgruntled employee burning the kimberly clark factory bodes ominous
>>2780791Bikes are expensive, America is a big and ill equipped country. Plus, travel isn’t the only thing to worry about.
>>2780776>the zionist lobby is driving US foreign policy.Yes "the zionist lobby is driving US foreign policy". Because "the zionist lobby" is a tool of hegemonic capital to keep NATO politics disciplined around MENA and the petrodollar. Which are existential matters for US/western hegemony.
LaRouche-ism is next in the checklist of contrarian chaff, after ZOG, I bet. Since the USA needs to continue cannibalizing the EU and I'm sure plenty of leftoids are receptive to blaming the British as well. I can't wait to be told by the next generation of midwits, how It's the Danish and the Britich crown, who actually run the US from the shadows.
>>2780795>Bikes are expensivehuh? do amerilards really? Maybe it's a european thing but a cheap secondhand bike is less than 50 euros
>>2780790yeah. they even got big "independent" radicals like hasan and other california/nyc podcasters endorsing that strategy
>>2780799Really. It’s closer to $100 dollars in America.
>>2780776israel and the united states are two ends of the same turd. the seppos have been committing genocide longer than israel has existed and will likely continue long after israel dissolves (probably by 2030). the israel lobby didn't even exist when they began the campaign of ethnic cleansing that created amerikkka.
the palestinians made the mistake of believing usrael was two seperate nations during the camp david peace accords. it's face saving nonsense only seppo libnats are dumb/vain enough to believe.
>>2780783>Oh, we gladly admit to thatDozens of posts denying any and all zionist influence in this thread alone
>Muh dogwhistle, muh joos, muh antisemitismHello Jonathan Greenblatt
>Acktually it's not the fault of zionism, but white supremacismSee what I mean?
>>2780806>discount Friedrich EngelsToo generous
bikes? cars? aren't you amerikkkans? i thought you all had horses and wagons and cowboy hats?
>>2780804It’s a phenomenon you frequently see in libbed up “radical” spaces like this one and Bluesky, what’s come to be called kosher anti-Zionism because it allows the leftoid to cosplay as opposed to Israel but balks when it comes to actually condemning the faith.
>>2780804it is white supremacy tho:
> israel has a caste system with ashkenazim at the top> israel's conscientious objector haredrim are subject to stabbed in the back anti semitic smears straight out of mein kampf> the only thing that stops israel from ripping itself appart is hatred for a socially constructed other of blacks and arabs (much like seppoland) >>2780804>zionism>white supremacism>mutually exclusive>Israelis can't be white supremacist! >look, Ashkenazi are only 32.7% of their society!Good job exposing you know jackshit about Israel, /pol/ fucktard. Your precious little Western governments aren't subverted innocents, but eager and active
orchestrators. Democrats, Republicans, all their supporters, and every single reactionary you try to push here belongs in the same mass grave, but I am willing to do two, but no more than six feet apart.
>>2780812>condemning the faith???
What makes Judaism so special?
>>2780808I was living in a town with horses but it only had then because it had rich people who like to ride
>>2780817Horses are fucking expensive to manage.
>>2780799>>2780800Find the local crackheads, they'll give you nice bikes for nothing.
>>2780776Did you actually read the fucking book or you just liked the cover? Because it's never claimed that Israel runs the US goverment
>>2780819Although i did pass through a small town and mexico and their was some duse on horses but they loomed like ranch hands
>>2780803>israel and the united states are two ends of the same turd. the seppos have been committing genocide longer than israel has existed and will likely continue long after israel dissolves (probably by 2030). the israel lobby didn't even exist when they began the campaign of ethnic cleansing that created amerikkka.The US is a continental power akin to Russia or China, not a 19th century-style maximalist colonial power. Take away the prerogative of sucking Israel's cock at every opportunity and it wouldn't give two shits about things that are happening far beyond its immediate sphere of influence, just like every other country in the world.
>Yes "the zionist lobby is driving US foreign policy". Because "the zionist lobby" is a tool of hegemonic capital to keep NATO politics disciplined around MENA and the petrodollar.Lmao. The petrodollar is literally being destroyed by this war. The US was in the process of bringing Iran into its system when Obama signed the JCPOA, but the zionists couldn't tolerate that because that wouldn't lead to the result they actually wanted for Iran (regime change, balkanization, and permanent weakening of the main adversary to Israel). That's why they got Trump elected in 2016 and made him tear up the agreement, and that's why we are having this war right now.
>>2780824> it wouldn't give two shits about things that are happening far beyond its immediate sphere of influence, just like every other country in the world.lmao the US openly declares the entire world its sphere of influence you imperialist cocksucker
>>2780804i think religious affiliation is probably more significant than ethnic composition in israel tbh
your average ultra-orthodox family who never works a day in their life (because they claim reading torah/talmud is their yhwh-ordained profession) is having 6 - 7 kids.
meanwhile your average secular jew is having 2 kids.
at current rates, ultra-orthodox will be 25% of the population by 2050 and 50% of the population bt the 2070s/80s. israeli society can't survive if half the population are religious fanatics choosing to be NEETs for theological reasons.
>…those [Jews] from Morocco had no education. Their customs are those of Arabs. They love their wives, but they beat them. Maybe in the third generation something will appear from the Oriental Jew that is a little different. But I don’t see it yet. The Moroccan Jew took a lot from the Moroccan Arabs and I don’t see much we can learn from the Moroccan Arabs.. The culture of Morocco I would not like to have here. And I don't see what contribution present [Jewish] Persians have to make … We do not want Israelis to become Arabs. We are in duty bound to fight against the spirit of the Levant, which corrupts individuals and societies, and preserve the authentic Jewish values as they crystallized in the [European| Diaspora.
>-David Ben-Gurion, found father of Israel
Literal white colonizers. /pol/ can only fucking seethe with envy.
>>2780829>Literal white colonizers. /pol/ can only fucking seethe with envy.Those fuckers have no real beliefs, and cant get there shit straight. Say what you will about this place, but it can be somewhat, at least. Sometimes, not all the time.. gotta give credit when credit is due.
>>2780821The core argument of the book is exactly that the influence zionist lobby is such that the interests of Israel take precedence over the interests of the USA when it comes to determining american foreign policy. Quit poisoning the well with bad faith arguments and straight out lying.
>>2780828>ultra-orthodox family who never works a day in their life (because they claim reading torah/talmud is their yhwh-ordained profession) What? Holy shit based judaism
>>2780837a few ultra-orthodox hold jobs these days, mostly women and mostly part-time work… but the vast majority (especially men) just get paid money by the government because they claim reading the bible is their god-given job. it's wild.
>>2780824> if it wasn't for israel amerikkka would be committing these crimes in south americathey're doing both dickhead. they can walk and chew gum at the same time.
> israel is the only beneficiary of war with iranthis conflict has made overpriced us oil competitive again, and the arms and aerospace companies are doing numbers with impossible to fulfil orders for their overpriced missiles. give the military industrial complex some credit: they dwarf fake israel's economy and their graft accounts for most of the pentagon black budget.
>>2780813> israel has a caste system with ashkenazim at the topThe hardcore settler fanatics you see terrorizing people on the West Bank are majority mizrahi. And the Israeli far-right in general is more popular among the mizrahi than among the ashkenazi. The tiny minority of liberals who do anti-war protests are all concentrated in ashkenazi-heavy areas like Tel Aviv.
> israel's conscientious objector haredrim are subject to stabbed in the back anti semitic smears straight out of mein kampfThere's both ashkenazi and mizrahi haredi. Haredi just means they're ultra-orthodox, it has nothing to do with race.
> the only thing that stops israel from ripping itself appart is hatred for a socially constructed other of blacks and arabs (much like seppoland)Yup. And that's what zionism is.
>>2780829the israeli government performed chemical sterilisation on female ethiopian jews who immigrated to israel throughout the 90s and 00s. as a result the birth rate of ethiopian jews dropped by 50. israel is a very fucked up place.
Can someone explain the motivation behind the US now blocking the straight of hormuz? It seems it just wants to make the rest of the world suffer for the consequences of its own actions
>>2780848Fun fact: Ethiopian jews are the only jews who reject the Talmud (they're from a line that diverged from other jews before the Babylonian exile).
>>2780853the karaite jewish sect also reject the talmud.
>>2780846
can we get these things more related to the /US/ to the /usa/pol thread?
I'd accept the Lebanese events, because they are intrinsically intertwined.
>>2780853>they're from a line that diverged from other jews before the Babylonian exilemore accurate to say that they claim they're from such a line. of course no jews can trace their ancestry thousands of years to the past much less of course to characters from their foundational fiction
>>2780837The haredi have one job.
Spitting
>>2780858The Germans also at least bothered pretending that the Polish were about to attack them. Israel and its proxy just attacked Iran suddenly without even bothering to explain their casus belli.
>>2780852no one can tell lol
>>2780842Man-child failed the negotiations /problem he created and wants to block any tankers going through the Hormuz "because of reasons. " In reality, it doesn't make sense.
It's a spectacle.
>>2780837>>2780837Imagine if reddit libs in future break off ino their own religoion and end uo reading harry potter on welfare
So any news on whether the U.S. actually managed to interdict a ship from the strait yet?
>>2780868imagine how angry god and jesus must be today
>>2780866I like how the slop makes the lebanon girl look kind of interested and approving of the hezbollah bbw goddess
>>2780867It's not a spectacle. Cheeto retard issued an ultimatum to anyone going along (or hoped to stay neutral) with Iran's plan to control the Hormuz to pick a side.
>>2780876Have you ever imagined that the Emperor would ever argue back, after being told he has no clothes?
Poltards see zog around every corner. Most censorship is because people are either afraid or because they are anticipating what the regime wants them to censor and are doing it on the regime's behalf. It's very inefficient to have a spy monitoring every member of the herd, much more efficient to have goycattle police themselves.
And people are afraid. If you have any public profile and say anything you will be branded as an anti-Semite and have your career destroyed. Peaceful protesters are getting locked up in the imperial core i.e. Australia, the UK and the USA. People see that and they voluntarily comply.
>>2780876His tweets are starting to look like they’re written by Johnny Truant. Jesus, all those commas.
>>2780876>shame>decencyHaha
>>2780876He doesn't write this shit.
>>2780884A normal President, of course. I think Trump and the leader of Uganda however are the only two leaders of any country that do it themselves.
nytimes is reporting that iran had proposed a 5 year suspension of nuclear activities in the pakistan peace talks.
>>2780886>nytimes is reporting Take what they say with a grain of salt.
>>2780888I'm on a low sodium diet.
>>2780876something winners typically do: seethe online about how everyone is not seeing that they're winning
>>2780869nothing as of yet
>>2780898the blockade, if real, is going to eventually break the ceasefire
>>2780898Israel broke it day one.
United Nations: Speech by High Representative Kaja Kallas at the annual UN Security Council session on EU-UN cooperationhttps://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/united-nations-speech-high-representative-kaja-kallas-annual-un-security-council-session-eu-un-0_enMister President, Excellencies,
It is an honour to address the UN Security Council again. I would like to thank Bahrain for convening this meeting. I wish you the best for your Presidency.
Every year, the Security Council reviews the European Union’s partnership with the United Nations on peace and security.
This is fitting, even if we only look at the financial metrics:
The EU and our Member States provide 42% of Official Development Assistance but make up only 5% of the global population;
Our Member States finance a quarter of the UN’s regular budget;
We pay in full and on time.
But the EU has never considered our support for the United Nations purely on how much we spend.
We have been active on peace building. Think about the European Union’s missions, some of them like operation IRINI under a direct UN mandate, others in cooperation with the UN, which are providing concrete EU support to peace building.
Through Operation ASPIDES we are protecting freedom of navigation in the Red Sea. And we have for years been the singular biggest supporter of peace and security in Somalia through our contributions to UN and African Union peacekeeping efforts.
And as the main donor to the Palestinian Authority and its reform process, also the leading humanitarian donor in Gaza, and our operational commitments through EUBAM Rafah and EUPOL COPPS missions, we are actively promoting the two-state solution and the implementation of the Gaza Peace Plan.
We do all this in support of the United Nations because it is the only international system that stands for peace, represents the global collective interest, and protects international law.
Today we are witnessing the gravest violation and breakdown of international law since the Second World War. As a result, peace and security are in demise. This is why the EU’s support for the UN now is more vital than ever.
Excellencies,
The breakdown of international law is evident in today’s two pre-eminent global crises — Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine and the war in the Middle East.
Russia is executing one of the most outrageous breaches of international law in United Nations history, by invading a sovereign country and turning its back on its obligations as a Permanent Member of the UN Security Council.
The war in the Middle East has caused immense instability and cost far too many lives. It is no longer regional or simply about the security in the region. Its effects ripple worldwide.
Citizens from Europe to Asia are suffering from higher energy prices. Farmers from Africa to South America are facing fertiliser shortages. And the crisis is accelerating structural vulnerabilities in the global system: concentrated energy dependencies, fragile trade corridors, and the asymmetric exposure of emerging economies.
Excellencies,
Russia is also supporting Iran with intelligence and drones. Prolonging the war benefits Russia through higher energy prices, depleted air defence arsenals and diverted attention.
I just returned from my visit to the Gulf region. Their roads, airports, hotels, energy infrastructure, and other civilian infrastructure have been hit by the same tools that wreak havoc in Ukraine.
Together, the crises in Europe and the Middle East represent the clearest sign yet of an abandonment of the old rules, including the UN Charter. A new world is now in the making, characterised by competition and coercive power politics; a world order dominated by a handful of military powers who aim to establish spheres of influence.
How the world responds to this moment says less about the new emerging order than it does about us. Because we have been here before.
We are hearing a lot about multipolarity today. But let’s be clear: multipolarity, unrestrained by the UN Charter or international law, multipolarity, guided only by spheres of influence, has never been peaceful, stable, nor conducive to global security and evenly distributed economic development. Ultimately it always ends in devastation.
In the aftermath of the First World War, the world decided to try something different: multilateralism instead of multipolarity. A League of Nations was born.
After the Second World War, important lessons were learnt. We recommitted to multilateralism with an understanding that the international system had to evolve as the world did. It had to have buy-in and legitimacy to work.
Today it seems we are forgetting these lessons and what it takes to make the system work.
Some even question the very utility of multilateralism as an organising principle of international relations.
You will never see Europe taking that path. In fact, the history of the European Union has followed a similar trajectory to the development of the international order. Europe will always choose cooperation over coercion.
Just like the current international order, the European Union is plagued by imperfection. But that does not mean we stop trying to do better.
That is why, when it comes to the international order, Europe can be part of the solution. And this is why, when countries seek reliable, principled partners to bolster alliances, defend international law and move multilateralism forward, increasingly they turn to the European Union. I hear this every single time I meet with foreign leaders.
Excellencies,
International cooperation based on the UN Charter benefits citizens everywhere in the world. That is also why despite its many challenges, the decline in multilateralism has actually put it back on the table: this is today’s paradox. Even if the biggest military powers are losing interest, everyone else isn’t.
The question now is how to transform the ailing multilateral system into one that works for all?
The European Union shares the belief that the United Nations must address the need to prevent wars. For that, we need to be clear about the role of the UN.
Firstly, international law sets legal parameters for the use of force by states, and they could not be clearer: only for self-defence or with a mandate from the Security Council. Rules are being broken today with impunity.
And secondly, conflict prevention is as much about upholding international rights, rules and norms, as it is about addressing root causes of conflict: poverty, inequality, climate change, the lack of transitional justice, to name just a few. The UN works to make a concrete, tangible difference in peoples’ lives where countries cannot do it alone. Both strands must remain central to the UN’s work.
As the EU has learned through its own history, practical, incremental steps eventually lead to transformative change.
We can and should move forward:
on specific topics
in making the rules stick
and on improving processes.
On specific topics, I bring you two examples.
First, peace mediation, peace building and peace keeping.
There have been many criticisms against the United Nations including the Security Council for failing to resolve conflicts. The record use of the veto in 2024, for example, suggests, that this body struggles to address conflicts as they arise.
On one hand, if the Security Council was functioning as it should, we would not be where we are today. On the other hand, it is a chance for the UN to step up and show that it can deliver. More conflict also requires more mediation. There is already so much we know about what works and what doesn’t. The United Nations should oversee a revival of best practices.
For example:
We know that dialogue led by local communities, minorities and young people makes peace stick.
We know that including women in negotiations vastly increases the chance of lasting peace
We also know that involving multilateral structures—the UN—helps overcome national interests.
These principles are not being consistently applied in mediation efforts today, but they must be if the goal is durable peace.
Peacekeeping remains crucial where mediation fails and always requires the broadest international support possible. Since 1948, UN peacekeepers from over 120 countries have protected civilians and saved lives. I am proud to say our Member States are currently the largest collective financial contributor to the UN peacekeeping budget.
The EU is looking at how we can engage further ourselves. Take Lebanon for example, where we are exploring how we could better support the Lebanese Armed Forces, also to complement the UN’s presence and the important bilateral efforts by several countries. But the war has to end as soon as possible.
My second example is maritime security.
Our collective security, safety and prosperity are totally intertwined with what happens at sea. Maritime security underpins global communications, energy supply and economic development.
Yet, this domain has become increasingly contested. Whether we are talking about the Baltic, North or Red seas, the numerous straits or the Indo-Pacific, the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea/UNCLOS is being undermined deliberately.
International cooperation at sea has not evolved at the same rate as the threats in this domain. We must catch up.
What is happening today in the Strait of Hormuz is the clearest call yet for a strong international coalition on maritime security.
There are many initiatives on the table, but the objectives are simple: safe passage for all shipments via this route. Let me be clear, the EU will continue to reject any arrangement that rules to limit free and safe passage though the straits, in accordance with international law.
I have just returned from a visit to the Middle East. It is clear that a fragile truce hangs in the balance, but it offers a much-needed opportunity to negotiate. The European Union will continue to contribute to all diplomatic efforts to prevent the region from sliding into further chaos. We commend Pakistan for the facilitation of the talks and encourage parties to continue.
Excellencies,
Protecting freedom of navigation is not the only challenge today. Submarine cables and pipelines area already targets for sabotage.
For this reason, we should step up work towards a new multilateral agreement to establish legal certainty and develop the tools to address these threats. When we know what works, we should replicate the successes elsewhere.
Excellencies,
If we pledge to the founding principles of the United Nations, including the UN Charter, and envisage growing the body of international law, then we must agree on how to make the rules stick.
To make the rules stick we must strengthen accountability. International law is only as effective as we are willing to make it.
The need for accountability is why we are helping set up a Tribunal for the crime of aggression against Ukraine. Without the crime of aggression, which is the leadership crime, there would not be any war crimes either. Without leadership accountability, war crimes will persist.
The Security Council bears a special responsibility for making the rules stick, because there can be no security in a world of impunity. This is why I salute the initiatives to curb veto abuse, such as:
The initiative introduced by Liechtenstein to trigger a General Assembly debate when the veto is used;
And also the French and Mexican initiative to curtail the use of the veto in the case of atrocity crimes.
When this body fails to deliver on its responsibility for peace and security, we should consider reverting the question to the General Assembly.
Finally on process: our collaboration does not need to be confined to what we have gotten used to over 80 years. Let’s think outside the box on how we approach:
bilateral partnerships,
alliances,
regional organisations,
coalitions of the willing,
minilateral,
or plurilateral arrangements.
For instance, we could convene regional organisations around a specific theme of interest. We could think of multilateral partnerships based on particular issues. We could include other stakeholders more systematically, such as business, in tackling common challenges.
All of these are complementary to the multilateral, rules-based order that most states want. None must undermine it. Every iteration should be in line with UN principles or else we risk a United Nations in name only.
If we do more of this, cross regionally and with a critical mass, we could strengthen the system as a whole.
President, Excellencies,
If the first success of the United Nations was its capacity to evolve as the world community did, this is no longer the case.
From the modest representation for rising economies in the Security Council to the role of the General Assembly in holding the most powerful to account, the to-do list is long. Without fairness, there is no hope to make it work again.
But we do remain hopeful. The EU continues to be a firm believer in the United Nations and its capacity for change.
The EU has its own long experience reforming, adjusting and transforming itself. We know that doing so is not a one-shot project. It involves listening, negotiation, political compromises and a healthy dose of humility. We also know what its worth.
Excellencies,
One hundred years from now, historians will look back at this moment and they will ask: What did the United Nations do when the rules-based order was under threat?
Did we cling to the past, defending a system that no longer worked for the many? Or did we have the courage to reform it—to make it stronger, fairer, and more resilient?
Did we stand by as the ruthless rewrote the rules? Or did we stand together and say: No. The law applies to all.
Did we resign ourselves to a world of spheres of influence, where might makes right? Or did we choose cooperation over coercion, justice over impunity, and peace over war?
The answer is in our hands.
As members of this Council, you are entrusted with a responsibility to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war. That was the promise of 1945. It must be our mission today.
Let us be the generation that built a stronger, fairer order, one fit for the challenges ahead.
The time of action is now.
Thank you very much.
Concluding remarksThank you, Mr. President, for this.
I would not take the floor if, quoting the Russian ambassador, some of the statements would not have been so absurd as they were.
So, a few issues: building European security architecture cannot be done by force. That is also what Russia has agreed to in the OSCE and the Helsinki Final Act.
It is clear that when we talk about how this war should end, I remain by my words saying that aggression cannot pay off. If aggression pays off in Ukraine, it is an invitation to use it elsewhere. And that is the fundamental principle of this UN Charter: borders cannot be changed by force.
Then I also remain by my words, saying that the collapse of Soviet Union actually ended the Russian occupation for many countries, including two around this table and that brought those countries the freedoms that they could not have had in the Russian Federation: the freedom of speech, also the social freedoms; you are free to criticise your government. We do not have to shut down internet so that people would not know the effects of the war in your country.
And if you think, or the accusation is that some of the statements are Russophobic, then the question is: what does phobia mean? Phobia means fear, fear of Russia. And why? Because I remain by my words that Russia has attacked many countries before.
So we call on Russia to stop this brutal war in Ukraine, respect the UN Charter, which says: no changes of borders by force, respect territorial integrity, sovereignty, independence of other countries, and this is especially required from the members of the Security Council of the United Nations.
Thank you.
>>2780925>TLDR: The Iran War is Russia's fault.Utterly fucking embarrassing, Europeans.
>>2780925I’m warming to ww3 now
>>2780929Wtf is that bizarro shit, lmaooo
>>2780918it's funny because the maga qanon linux crank bryan lunduke is himself a jew: he turned racist when black lives matter started in portland. never contributed to free software besides being a hype man. linus is christian.
red hat has been slowly imploding over their founder being an outspoken zionist and the company not protecting or supporting workers that want to flee the burgerreich. between keycloak and podman redhat probably accounts for israel's entire cloud strategy in the event they get cut off from american tech. besides creating royalty free self hosted cloud, red hat is also contributing developers to an open compute stack to abstract GPU and NPU hardware behind a common API. it democratizes AI but also removes oversight.
stallman is the most jewish, but (besides smears and autism) the least politically fraught: the FSF and GNU project have done some truly wonderful work, my favourite being GNU health, used in Cuba and around the world it's a leading CMS for healthcare
https://www.gnuhealth.org/ he's also anti-zionist.
>>2780942richard stallman survived wokeism and also survived the same type of cancer that killed paul allen
>>2780629Gum physiognomy goes insane.
>>2780942IDK how big of a deal it is for the techie crowd, but RedHat did get bought by IBM.
Outspoken Zionism or no, that's pretty deep in bed with the great satan still.
>>2780991the kernel and graphics stack was primarily supported by intel and they're not shy about israeli capital. intel nearly killed itself trying to build a $25bn foundry on the northern stretch of the apartheid wall around gaza.
most of the culture wars around linux come from the anarchist/libertarian dialectic contradiction at the core of the movement. the culture war broke on a stonewall of "no politic here" because even a cursory background search on any of the major players in linux reveals deep entrenched interests in the neocolonial world order.
shit, the worst, most intrusive forms of surveilance are powered by FOSS: big tech platforms and smart devices.
>VANCE: What they (Iran) have done is engage in this act of economic terrorism against the entire world. As the President showed, two can play at that game.we are in uncharted territories: a us vp
admitting crimes.
>>2780877is not only that the emperor has no clothes on, but also he bleached his ass.
>>2781030i thought the mask slipping was when they abandoned "international law" for a "rules based global order" when they were the ones setting the rules. everything else is downstream from them making arbitrary decisions to fuck sovereign countries up and giving weak post-hoc justifications that find acceptance through convenience.
>>2781038>"rules based global order"that was a liberal mantra. for that time they were still pretending about war crimes, and not making confessions out of the open about doing terrorism.
I guess jd vance burned his political career with trump, though.
>>2781057
What's the run down on the guy Tucker is interviewing here. The zogs in the comments are saying he's a far left journalist. So what's his story?
This is an interimperialist war
>Our ships are moving in and out of the waters of the Strait of Hormuz. We have trade and energy agreements with Iran. We will respect and honour them and expect others not to meddle in our affairs. Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz and it is open for us.
t. Chinese Minister of Defense, Admiral Dong Jun.
Ayatollah status?
>>2781077
The US is not a superpower
>>2781104it's a spiritually true meme
>>2781105
good post.
Someone here said that Tucker was a state department talking head but someone on xitter pointed out that "pinning it on Israel and fucking off" was a possible off-ramp for Trump and tbh it seems like Tucker is priming the Republican base for such a scenario, which hey I'll take it, I'm a pragmatic guy too.
>>2781156That would be genuinely horrible actually. Because it means they are going to enter a "cool down" period where they hope after enough time goes by Israel will be able to rally support again. It's not a axing of Israel lobbies from the US. But then again that's also assuming the coming economic crisis doesn't change how the world works entirely.
>>2781157
to keep a website open you have to remove fedposting, CP, gore. shocking, i know
>>2781157
also iran is going to do that whether or not you ask, dummy
>>2781164You've phrased this odd statement as if it's relevant, like you thought it was making a point.
>>2780972The chad Israel Epstein vs the Vile Shlomo settler
>>2781057
you losers are pathetic, fuck tucker and fuck you
>>2781057
I do not believe him until he openly calls himself a communist
>>2781083If the USrael forces China into war the USrael won't survive.
>>2781193Oh well…
>>2781057
Why are conservative cable news anchors less zogged than this board? 🤔
>>2781057
Just vote for the chud right and President Tucker next election if you love him so much bro.
>>2781232This is novel to him in that he's a fairly recent 'convert' in need of further deconstruction. If he sticks with the conservative label he's just a placeholder for the dissatisfied in the gop who will revert later. That would mean he was only playing the role he was assigned as a gatekeeper.
>>2781235>That would mean he was only playing the role he was assigned as a gatekeeper.I have no doubts that he is just that. What I find strange though is that even someone like him outflanks from the left this supposedly "lefty" board on the matter of zionism.
>>2781131
>Grand Ayatollah
Is there a Petite Ayatollah?
>>2781237I think that since the "left" isn't a monolithic cult the way the right appears to be, this may be a concerted effort to 'outflank' by taking control of the narratives and siphoning support from those with a tenuous relationship with 'the left' as they define it.
>>2781241Haha, this may be true for Libs, but the greater 'left' is atomized and can't agree on anything except that liberals are the conservatives best friend.
>>2781241>The position of a participant within the obtained attitude network correlates significantly with self-reported partisan identification (i.e., as Democrat or Republican).>Democrat or Republicanoh so the whole damn thing is meaningless
>>2781242The “greater left” is more misconstrued than atomized.
A rightist believing in Guenon's nonsense versus Schopenhauer's nonsense doesn't really mean anything in terms of difference in policy tbh
>>2781057
this just makes leftypol hate tuck even more
>>2781057
>you have to suck the cock of an ex trumptard conservative
ok polyp, we're glad for the infighting and sudden anti israel wakeup of the rightoids grifters, but dont expect us to respect and like these fucks
>>2781251You shouldn’t. They’ll go back to bourgeoisie first chance they get. They are nothing more than insane unscientific liberals being disrupted.
>>2781247Fair point, but there isn't a sense of unity or the type of militant tribalism exhibited by the right.
>misconstrued They initiate this when they demonize "the left" collectively by using lib examples for their demagoguery and the caricature becomes the perception.
>>2781254>the type of militant tribalism exhibited by the rightUnfortunately, there is. Not nearly as common, but it’s there.
>They initiate this when they demonize "the left" collectively by using lib examples for their demagoguery and the caricature becomes the perception.Bit more than just simply demonization, though that does make up a huge part of the issues the “left” faces. What I speak of specifically is the general devolution of communist movement from Marx and Engels, and the loss of scientific consensus and ideological cohesion in it.
>>2781242>>2781243>We aren't liberals we actually have diversity of thought<Someone dissents from the zionist consensus and points out the giant ZOG elephant in the room>Noooo u can't say that on this zionist board. Ur /pol/ everyone is /pol/ why mods didn't ban u yet? REEEEEMeanwhile even some normie conservative outflanks the shit out of you retards on the matter of Palestine and your response is to seethe at him. Lmao
>>2781259Who's seething? I've always laughed at him. If he's no longer a warmonger neocon, good for him. Being antizionist may be new for you both so that could explain the zeal, but converts always think know better until they realize how new they are.
>>2781259>outflanks polyps are really unredeemable morons
>>2781057
>why did netanyahu send U.S funds to hamas before oct 7th?
this'll always be impressive so long as dems stay silent on the subject, AOC/bernie would NEVER say anything close to any of this. never ever.
>>2781259The zionist consensus is unironically zog on what side and Trump blackmailed by the joos on the other.
Fuck off, why do iranians and hezbollah call USA great satan and Israel small satan? Bet they are zog cucked too or they just dumb sand uyghurs in your opinion
>>2781137should be a banner
>>2781057
he sucks, but there's nothing wrong with this post. would be a better prez than another maga style dotard.
>>2781275What is he pumping the markets for at this point. Where is he going to use that money?
>>2781157>>2781279>Getting rid of Tor users>SusNo
>>2781057
Whole thing is a media-op to shift the narrative to the Joe Kent perspective that it’s all Israel’s fault and the U.S. is an otherwise innocent actor.
>>2781276I used to work for a dude who was literally a hundred-millionaire and he would kneel down to pick up a random penny on the floor if he saw one. It's pretty much a baseline psychological requirement for a person to be a billionaire that they need to be pathologically obsessed with getting more and more money.
>>2781157
>mods thinking that iran reads this page
>>2781284It’s getting to the point where material assets matter less than paper. The real economy buckles while they obsess over fucking government sanctioned I.O.U notes.
>>2781241>>2781242>>2781254The right is unified by blaming everything bad on the current societal scapegoats and belief in capitalism / privatisation. Doesn't matter, from lib to conservative to fascist, they can all unify around that.
Meanwhile try getting a Democratic Socialist, an ML, Trotskyite, LeftCom and and Anarchist in a room together and see what happens.
We can (I'd hope) all agree on the evil of Israel and Amerikkka, but beyond that the narcissism of small differences prevents the left from achieving anything.
>>2781286>he thinks using tor makes you LESS visible to glowieslol
lmao
>>2781283>I think the zionists are deep cover BRICS agents because all they are doing is destroying america.You gotta wonder who they'll infiltrate and hijack next once burgherstan and the eurocucks become too weak
>>2781286If I wanted to have zero opsec, I’d go off the grid. The people who use Tor nodes are more concerned about the average user than anyone else.
Live in a cave and message each other via letters attached to pigeons. Anything less any you're at risk.
>>2781300the CIA has already experimented with using pigeons to collect intelligence, any pigeon could be an asset.
>>2781291>Meanwhile try getting a Democratic Socialist, an ML, Trotskyite, LeftCom and and Anarchist3/4 of what you listed are manifestations of fascism from the left wing of capital who’s only disagreement with the previous groups is the precise definition of the herrenvolk, who would pretty quickly agree with each other that their treats are more valuable than the lives of the untermensch and cooperate with the state to kill the communist. But you already knew that
>>2781286Only ban evading /pol/tards and CSAM spammers use that shit
>>2781296They will definitely do it to Russia.
Russia is very close to Israel and always has been.
Remember that movie Munich
>picrelThere are many other cases like that where I suspect more nefarious relations with israel.
>>2781306>volkFactory status?
>>2781098Based. I agree with that statement but I will not elaborate.
>>2781296the whole point of the greater israeli project is to break free from reliance on foreign powers. the end goal of zionism was always a self sufficient regional empire
>>2781317It’s a doomed to fail project
>>2781266I guess it's alright when Israel does those things tho am I rite bezy?
I don't care about your ancestral homeland bullshit. What I care is you being evil to others who share that homeland.
>>2781323Things are heating up
>>2781057
State dept stooge interviews mossad?
The utube commenters figured out the last part, at least.
Is TOR really more secure than just normal VPN?
>>2781334tor is a honeypot made by the USA
>>2780507how about what did europe, china, or iran do to them. Nothing.
>>2781157
>mods banning tor
Numods are next level retarded. This is the entire point of having an onion, jfc.
Every week they manage to hit whole new levels of pathetic, worthless, low-EyeQue faggotry.
>>2781306psychosis. you are disturbed
>>2781336Probably the safest option is using a library computer or similar public computer
>>2781357Write it correctly - low-autism score
>>2781357the old mods run .neet, which has about 1/5th the activity of this site
>>2781308this
>>2781178>You've phrased this odd statement as if it's relevant, like you thought it was making a point.read it and the post that followed it 3 or 4 more times
>>2781287on the contrary the retard who got banned thinks iran reads this page. mods think us law enforcement reads this page which is why they remove stuff that could potentially get the site taken down.
>>2781357start a better one then
>>2781306did you ever yell at DSA on april 3 like you said you were gonna
>>2781241>muh left and right<look inside>bipartisan bourgeois spectrumyawn
>rethhuglicans are more schizo it is known
>democraps are more narrowit is known
>>2781375It’s a liberal science spectrum
>>2781269>USA greater satan, israel lesser satan, listen to iran and hezbollahthis
>>2781259>everyone is zionist but me because muh ZOG questionstale ragebait that still gets (You)s for some reason
>>2781379bipartisan bourgeois = liberal
>>2781263it's also isg addiction. that anon unironically think that tucker getting more attention means that there's more conservatives who think like him. it's like no. dude has a massive platform from two straight decades of saying iraqis deserve to get bombed
>>2781361yea but zoomers will record you
>>2781266>apologize to me for genocide while I commit genocidewhen you believe in nothing but your own psychopathic ego and apologies are just a tool to make people submit to your will
>>2781384The privileged extrovert ones maybe
what i've learned from browsing this place for years is that most (not all) online people who are into politics, regardless of what part of the spectrum they are from, it doesn't matter whether they call themselves communists or not, what they do in real life, they are usually (not always) some of the most emotionally manipulable people on Earth. At the start of the Ukraine war any deviation from the maximalist line of the edgiest posters meant you were a Hitler-Heiling NATO Nazi (and no I don't think the Kyiv regime is based and acknowledge it's a CIA-backed shitshow). 4 years later many in this place actually say Hitler had a point and will call you a ZOG worshiping Jew if you deviate from the maximalist line. Few of you have any consistency or principles, you just bandwagon the maximalists and dogpile and scapegoat anyone less… I don't even want to say "extreme" because that's not it. Anyone more sane. Also you don't care about class struggle no matter how much you bring it up when you reject cringe liberal idpol. You just care about bourgeois geopolitics and /isg/ shit like tweets from state leaders and influencers. This has been my trvth acorn.
>>2781380>stale ragebait that still gets (You)s for some reasonThe funniest part about it, is the mods let the nazoids go around posting /pol/slop every day. But if you fail to be enthusiastic enough about Iran's chances or good judgement, you are a demoralizer.
>>2781336I have never and will never post here without Tor. Eventually you will have one profile on the clearnet, regardless of logins. The data will get passed around, correlated and your identity will emerge. Do you want your normie profile stuff with your political autism and porn? Me neither, I'd rather not randomly get promoted leftist merch every time I get on amazon because I clicked on too many X, Youtube,Twitch or Telegram links and they eventually shared their data that flags me a leftoid.
>>2781334It is as much as it is honeypotted by five eyes
Main use is to prevent jann*ids from having your data and selling it to right wing death squads in your cunt's because anyone who's been on this site for a few weeks know for a fact the staff has bad faith actors in their ranks which also explains their militant hatred of TOR
If the CIA/Mossad/MI5 wants it they'll have it so don't go thinking about doing epic illegal shit on this unless you're epstein or an associate then you can flood anything and anywhere with CSAM to your heart's content I guess
VPNs are widely banned on leftypol for the record, this site is almost as locked down as cuckchan nowadays
>>2781334a vpn just reroute your traffic through a third party, the problem is then the trust you have in that third party (which if you're a terrorist hunted by US intelligence agencies, I wouldnt put too much faith in them)
tor use a bunch of random hops across "nodes" for your traffic, the problem being that if someone (say, an US intelligence agency) control enough of the nodes and monitor enough of the traffic, they can still manage to find you (but the cost of doing so is supposedly a lot bigger and harder than just forcing a VPN provider to give its log related to a specific user)
in all cases, theres no magic solution making you invulnerable, but for random internet shitposting, its typically not worth it to try and find you and so a basic ass vpn is plenty (and I'd even argue, nothing at all is really necessary if you're not living in the US, and even then, I dont know of any leftypol user that got into trouble for posting here, we're likely too small and inconsequential to bother to go after as long as the servers arent in the US)
>>2781397>anyone who's been on this site for a few weeks know for a fact the staff has bad faith actors in their ranks which also explains their militant hatred of TORthey only ever ban tor for a few hours when polyps and sharty are raiding with their bad takes, CSAM, and spam. and every time you guys act like it's the end of the world.
>>2781398the truth is unless you're actually planning to do shit IRL you're just another annoying windbag that they spend millions on glowie wages and fixed capital (like computers) monitoring.
>>2781388holy shit thats a pro gamer move
>>2781397theres plenty of good reason to ban tor and vpn you schizo retard, we're getting spammed and raided a lot
>>2781334true security is a myth. you're choosing the best kind of door lock when a determined robber can climb through the window
>>2781391So true fellow anti-campist! Neither Washington nor Tehran! (but actually Washington because I need my treats)
Ill bake
>>2781402I don't think it hit the driver, but rather the engine.
>>2781410way to prove my point by sarcastically pretending to agree with a post you didn't read and making up shit i would never say.
>>2781412thanks. i was gonna do it but you're better at it
>>2781408also if all the natsec psychos are to believed the best security is to attack everyone first. but in the long run that just makes the whole world hate you. it seems to me the entire concept of "security" just becomes an excuse to be a psychopath. whether you're talking personal cyber security or national security it's all the same psycho bullshit.
>>2781400>theyUs. When you're part of one of the parties being discussed, you say "us". Particularly if one of the accusations is you being a bad faith actor.
And we both know you guys have kept the node banned for half a month by now, no idea who this gaslight attempt is meant for.
>>2781404then clean it up jannie :^)
>>2781388I wish they wouldn't always do the rewind at the point of impact. because i was gonna do that anyway with left arrow
>>2781423look you are never ever ever gonna get the jannocracy you want so just make your own website and stop shitting this thread up with metacommentary
>>2781430you can have your fiefdom here but I'll keep annoying you from time to time
seethe about it
>>2781401So true, my FBI handler(Felix) has been trying to nudge me to do terrorism for years
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