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>>2795922 502 posts and 92 image replies omitted.The entire point of the existence of a Communist party is to organize an army which is capable of waging war on the state and defeating it. If you are not trying to organize an army, an actual, tangible, physical military structure which can engage and destroy the agents of the state, you are not a Communist and never will be. Legalism is antithetical to Communism. It is a contradiction in terms on par with a vegetarian tiger.
>>2801306The Black Panthers had a tenuous connection, at best, to the urban lumpenproletariat but had no deeply rooted connection to any organs of working class power, that is to say the trade unions or other organized proletarian instruments. The reason for this, of course, is because the DNCUPSA never intensively organized blacks like they should have and had not built the structures that could grow to support an organization like the Black Panthers. The black proletariat has never been adequately organized by anyone in America, and that is absolutely by design.
>>2801313 Find me a source for that claim which isn't literally Goebbels, I dare you.
>>2801315> Find me a source for that claim which isn't literally Goebbels, I dare you.he's a ragebaiter who just makes shit up. notice he never responds to corrections and just adds another false claim on top of the previous. he's a little sociopath who has fun riling others up by lying in a place where he won't get punched for it
>>2801313
schizo babble, consider suicide
>>2801309It wasn't Stalin, it was Dimitrov.
Dimitrov was absolutely, catastrophically wrong on numerous occasions. He was wrong about the "Popular Front of the Base" and he was wrong about the CPUSA's policy of co-existence. He doomed both the German and the American working class with his policies, and his disastrous policy of appeasement towards Social Fascists led to the Social Fascists fulfilling their destiny as the midwives of Fascism.
>>2801326
there is but it would require starting out as a militant violent org that cannot be possibly tamed from the outset.
the porkies were legit terrified when zoomers were cheering Luigi for like a month. the idea they couldn't just take control of the narrative branding him as a lunatic killer and people still cheered him scared the fuck out of the CNN/Fox glowies.
it's my opinion Americans are just too cowardly right now, conditions aren't bad enough for them to risk their life for it. only when Americans are desperate enough to die for revolution will it actually happen. i tried to argue with a girl about how republican abortion bans are literally killing people and women should take a more active role in dealing with their political enemies whom are basically engaging in femicide instead of tweeting about it and she looked at me like i was crazy, despite abortion being her #1 political issue she had no stomach for doing anything. the goycattle have been domesticated way too successfully man.
>>2801333The conditions in many ways resemble the great depression and getting worse at a rapid rate in terms of relative immiseration. The issue is moreso that the state is still functioning and can afford an extensive police state which can and does immediately break any organization which acts on revolutionary aims. A lot of workers in the US are debt slaves, homeless, living in slums and shared housing, and they cheer whenever a porky gets shot or a warehouse burns down. I think they do understand that capitalism is in fact fucking them.
>>2801335
The Maoist groups failed mostly because revisionist China has denounced internationalism (and therefore Communism) since the time of Deng Xiaoping. FARC tried to implement Maoist tactics in a country that did not have a peasant supermajority and it predictably failed.
>>2801339
This is precisely why figures like MLK are deified by the government (and the DNCUPSA, who explicitly wants to build a MLK-inspired movement) because the tactic of non-violence cannot ever overthrow a government, which is precisely why the government allows it. Communists must mix legal and illegal work (with an emphasis on the later) with the explicit goal of destroying the US government, not maintaining and reforming it like DNCPUSA wants to do.
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>>2800968i saw a /pol/ post that said household income for indians is so high because they live like 14 people in a single home, but i dont know if that was just racism or if there is any truth in that.
>income=class status
rarted post, report, and ignore.
>>2801378
they are workers. ask yourself: if they lose their jobs, for how long can they sustain their quality of life?
only capitalists, meaning owners of the means of production, don't lose their jobs, they can be forever rich, their sons will inherit those means, and they don't worry about what happens to the prices of a commodity or commodities in the capitalist market.
>cops
anarkido, the USSR didn't kill all cops, military officers, etc. that they inherited from the tzarist state.
don't antagonize for the sakes of antagonize with everyone that sells labor. that's anti-Marxist, and anti-communist in nature.
>>2801412Not reading your westoid nonsense
>>2801415marx was a brother
>>2801343
Industrial workers have as much leverage since industry is rather easy to move around now (hence the need for class consciousness and internationalism) and the industry is increasingly automated anyway.
>>2801345>The Maoist groups failed mostly because revisionist China has denounced internationalism (and therefore Communism) since the time of Deng Xiaoping. Wrong. China is most internationalist country. China has achieved modern socialism. China helps everyone. The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. The exploiting class, as a class, is eliminated. You talk lies. Your talk here is cia script. Stop.
>This is precisely why figures like MLK are deified by the government (and the DNCUPSA, who explicitly wants to build a MLK-inspired movement) because the tactic of non-violence cannot ever overthrow a government, which is precisely why the government allows it. Communists must mix legal and illegal work (with an emphasis on the later) with the explicit goal of destroying the US government, not maintaining and reforming it like DNCPUSA wants to do.You too abstract. You idealist. You conflate fascist zioabetters with misguided Communist Party that uses wrong tactics. CPUSA not reform government. You say CPUSA are not fascists, just fool Communists. You wrong. ziocom snakes know what they are doing. Fact is Mlk was zionist and cpusa is as well. They same camp. Your talk of mlk cpusa overthrowing government "nonviolently" is hogwash. By doing so you CEDE to common DNCPUSA ZIOMLK mortal enemy that they are leftist, they resemble leftists, that they seek to overthrow imperialism and not support it, like saying nasdap is socialist with wrong tactics. Contradiction is zioimperialism and socialism, not abstract confucian notion of violence and nonviolence.
>>2801474Go to China faggot. Fill the visa application, and go there. You'll never do it because you are coward, but do it, and tell me how they abolished "the system of exploitation of man by man" in the McDonalds on every other street corner.
>>2801359Their may be some truth to that but I think that's for every group and not so much 14 people living in a household but more like some of your adult children living at home while working and getting an income. The 100k households seem to be the highest percentage for most of the groups on that list.
>>2801460
Idk, there's several reasons why they would and wouldn't do that. The Marxist theory is that if workers are able to act in their interests, their class interest will bind them together insofar as it concerns fighting the bourgeoisie and capitalism more broadly, just as it binds the bourgeoisie in the exploitation of workers and ensuring the accumulation of capital proceeds smoothly. Of course there are countervailing tendencies to this, capitalists with rebellious workers, assuming profit rates are high enough, can pay workers enough for their living standards to improve over time to ensure that they don't take over as the ruling class of society by taking over their workplaces and installing their own form of government, while the state apparatus acts to maintain the capitalist system via various means of repression, as has happened in the 20th century. Since capitalism is organized on a national basis these factors vary slightly from country to country. Internationalism and class consciousness are not teleological predictions, but rather a loose set of requirements for social revolution based on the historical experience of liberal revolutions and observations about capitalism.
>>2801345you type like a libtard
>>2801488
>1488
the numbers know what u are
>>2801310
>both are settlers
Post dismissed
>>2801488
Too obvious
>>2801487>just read marxx bro>you're a bersteinite because you think the methods that haven't worked or achieved much of anything for several decades are badyou're apart of the problem, we live in a period so different from the early 20th century, even from the mid-late 20th century, to pretend we can just do everything lenin or whoever did is idiotic, we are gonna go nowhere if we don't re-evaluate and at least attempt something different than reformist nonsense like picrel, or the same vanguard method as if it is anything more than a compromise suited to underdeveloped capitalist nations
>>2801564>we live in a period so different from the early 20th century, even from the mid-late 20th centurynot really. instead of bitching and moaning about how nothing makes sense and how its too complicated for your little peanut brain try catching up on the material first
>>2801573
Wouldn't the Jews want that to be real though? Don't the Jews supposedly want us to go to war?
>>2801570and i am doing this where? i understand it perfectly, it's simply out of date
>unironic modernizers on leftypol
Why isnt he permabanned already? What the fuck?
>>2801585this isn't a bordigist website last time i checked
>>2801586Wtf is a bordigist?
>>2801377
Yeah? So?
>>2801493>peepiss>anpisspisspiss>synpisspissfichte, not hegel
>>2801455
the number 1 marx hater is back again
my hgraf stock is stuck in the 5 range. Well at least this proves it wasnt a pump and dump at least.
>>2801411>>2801415>>2801455grow up dude
>>2801585can someone explain what the fuck "modernizer" is supposed to mean? Is it just a stupider way of saying "revisionist"?
1 second i read "marxism is not a dogma, but a method to be applied contextually to time and place in the real movement"
the next minute i hear "everyone who uttered a word after 1895 is a revisionist modernizer falsifier vulgarizer"
Le interimperialist conflict
>>2801601its quite simple really
everyone i like is a true marxist
everyone i hate is a revisionist
>>2801601No, revisionists are falsifiers, not modernizers
>>2801605Its not about hating or liking.
>>2801396>>2801387money becomes money-capital when used as capital in capital circuit (this, incidentally, includes investment, including indirect investment through financial assets like stocks, bonds, certificates of deposit, privatized retirement plans, mutual funds, ETF, etc.). hope that helps, fellas.
>>2801612i've seen this exact ragebait copypasta a million times on twitter. same with the "my enemy is not the american ruling class, but the american people"
the LLMs just pump out ragebait until one sticks really good and then all the shillbot accounts repeat it to psychologically torture whatever human beings are left on the internet
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>>2801656>>2801585if burger hitlerites itt can sperg out about jews do you think the mods care about misunderstanding of marxist theory
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