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>>2799001>>2801666"You will all have to suffer for the greater good, but that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make"
>>2801666Fighter Pilot: "You're about to find out why Americans can't afford groceries, gas, healthcare, or college."
explodes >>2801665anyone have that old webcomic of like the american succdems going back in time to the 1940s and being like "we're scary socialists from the future" and they start saying how they want to like raise the corporate tax rate to like 20% and the people back then reply that it's already 90?
CHINA BLOCKS US SANCTIONShttps://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2026/5/3/china-blocks-us-sanctions-against-five-teapot-refineries
>China has announced an injunction to block US sanctions placed on five Chinese refiners accused of buying oil from Iran.>The US sanctions announced by the Department of the Treasury late last month bar the refiners from the US financial system and seek to penalise anyone doing business with the firms.>In a statement on Saturday, China’s Ministry of Commerce said the sanctions “improperly” restrict business between Chinese enterprises and third countries “in violation of international law and the basic norms governing international relations”.>The Commerce Ministry said it had issued a “prohibition order” stipulating that the sanctions “shall not be recognized, enforced, or complied with,” calling the order a move to “safeguard national sovereignty, security, and development interests”.>“The Chinese government has consistently opposed unilateral sanctions that lack UN authorisation and basis in international law,” the ministry added.>It said the order blocked US measures against Hengli Petrochemical (Dalian) Refinery and four other so-called “teapot” refineries: Shandong Jincheng Petrochemical Group, Hebei Xinhai Chemical Group, Shouguang Luqing Petrochemical and Shandong Shengxing Chemical.>Announcing the sanctions on April 24, the US Treasury Department called Hengli “one of Tehran’s most valued customers”, saying it had generated hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for the Iranian military through crude oil purchases.>The Trump administration imposed sanctions on the other four refineries named by the Chinese ministry, among other facilities, last year.>China gets more than half of its oil from the Middle East, much of it from Iran.>According to commodities data firm Kpler, China bought more than 80 percent of the oil Iran shipped in 2025.>China’s “teapot” refineries operate independently and are generally smaller than the facilities run by state-owned oil giants, such as Sinopec.>The facilities, which have been crucial to China’s efforts to secure its oil supplies, capitalise on heavily discounted crude sold by countries under sanctions, such as Iran, Russia and Venezuela.>Teapots account for a quarter of Chinese refinery capacity, operate with narrow and sometimes negative margins, and have been squeezed recently by tepid domestic demand.>US sanctions have created additional hurdles for refiners, including difficulties selling refined products under their correct place-of-origin markings.The American Century of Humiliation is in full swing.
What do we do about our country being full of prison death camps and nobody is talking about it?
>>2801698Literal prison torture camps for sure, if not overt death camps.
>>2801698Trials and executions of all responsible.
>>2801705Basically it's creating a separate oil economy free from the petrodollar. Worst-case scenario for the US if this goes on. Trump is the greatest hero in Chinese history.
My genuine concern for the left isn't woke or anti-woke but rather just the left being kind of stuck up as a whole. For as much the right goes on about how important gate keeping is, we are just way better than them when it comes to doing that shit.
>>2801698The bourgeois already built the infrastructure they belong in
>>280170899% of online discussions about the state of "the left" are not materialist. It's all vibes and melodrama.
>>2801708Getting politically marginalized to the fringes from the 80s through the 00s turned us into an insular subculture with bad friends
>>2801698well we could organize peaceful protests in frog costumes outside of ice camps, and then we could get made fun of by both the left and right online who don't even do that much for being gay and cringe, and then get shot anyway by pigs after one of their undercover provocateurs throws a pebble from behind our lines.
>>2801817Liberals love pretending they aren't "authoritarian", and it's very easy for them because they are hegemonic, and the entire system runs on autopilot to enforce liberal violence. It all appears to be "freedom" because liberalism is decentralized and free of blame. Liberal revolutionaries were also very authoritarian back when liberalism was new. Cromwell as lord protector, Napoleon as emperor, Robespierre on the comittee of public safety, Washington crushing the whiskey rebellion and shay's rebellion. Liberals are experts at making their violence look like it is just the world operating without their input. Because society has already been violently remolded in their image since the 1700s.
>>2801822all you have to do to get a liberal to start talking like maga is go super anarchist, maoist or ultra left talking point on them and defensive mode comes out hard.
>>2801817>we will spend years in the minoritysays while they are in the minority for being a big tent that embraced the cheneys and bushes.
>>2801820what an audience of feckless scions, sycophants, bootlickers, shoe-shiners, cocksuckers
>>2801827>>shoe shinersSpit shining too.
>>2801817>He promotes violence and repression whenever that violence and repression have a socialist lean.wtf I love Hasan now??
>SHOTS FIRED NEAR WHITE HOUSE COMPLEX
>>2801817ziohran arrested thousands of antizionist, made protesting outside synagogues illegal, multiply ziotaskforce budget by 8x, increase nypd postings in zionist communities. Zohran is fascist who increase police brutality
The two sides of liberalism largely just boils down to whether or not they value credentials or prestige. This is even reflected in the off-shoot bases of "Not Maga: Feuntes/Clavicularpilled edition" and the "Dark Woke: Hasan/Sec Talk edition".
To those who value prestige it is all about what zoomers call "Aura" where presentation is the premium currency while with the credentialist they tend to value what I call "Test taking" where your familiarity with concepts is more important than anything else.
This is also why in spite of their insistence on it, the credentialists are just way fucking better at actually gate keeping their media
Without Haz, there is no left
>>2801869unironically might join the ACP just because they're the only org I can see achieving anything in my lifetime, due to Haz being just retarded enough to resort to Maoism without caring how it affects the petit-bourgeois.
they are still a joke though so I'd only join if they got their shit together and abandoned social conservatism.
>>2801871If your understanding of Marxism and politics in general is so rigid that you actually believe the ACP is a legitimate last resort, maybe you need to go outside.
>>2801871Might as well just join the Republican party if this is only about "getting things done" for retards like you
>>2801873What party is better
>>2801875What communist party is better, liberal
>>2801871>social conservatism.I hate this term because it's a vacuum that people just fill with whatever they want. People (mistakenly imo) think that any kind of personal discipline (sobriety, exercise, eating right, practicing armed and unarmed self defense ) is "social conservatism."
>>2801876None of them. It's America. This place sucks and you're better off just participating in regular politics or nothing at all. If you absolutely must join an org to feel like you're doing something, join the DSA (don't be a faggot) or the CPUSA (respect the OGs). They're the only two orgs with enough people and actual motion. Literally everything else is hyper specific or meme bullshit.
Don't be a fucking hipster about being a leftist in the USA, it won't get you anywhere.
>>2801877if people denounce conservatism does that make them liberals? imo, no. if people denounce liberalism, does that make them conservative? imo, no. The problem in America is no independent working class party. They all in some form or another burden themselves with bourgeois ideology, be it "liberal" or "conservative" in flavor.
>>2801880The problem with america is the imperial superprofits allow the state to completely ignore the working class entirely. Imperialism is coming to an end now, so that is clearing up on its own. You're right, there should be an independent working class party. But how you actually CREATE that is by utilizing already existing structures that has talented people in it already, and then evolving from there.
>>2801875I want revolution in my lifetime so that makes me a Republican?
>>2801878yeah but ACP goes beyond "personal discipline" into bigotry towards marginalized groups just because they want to appeal to the bigotry of American chuds.
Politics is an organic and creative endeavor, that requires outside the box thinking and an understanding of *people* first and foremost. If you're obsessed with creating the perfect party line, with the perfect structure, completely free of sin, you'll get nowhere. You'll be perfect, but you'll also be irrelevant. You might as well just get a job and be a prole if that's how you're going to approach it. Much more useful to the world that way
>>2801881>But how you actually CREATE that is by utilizing already existing structures that has talented people in it already, and then evolving from there.maybe but people on here will just yell at you for thinking you can change existing institutions from the inside. they will say you are making an entryist/reformist error, while simultaneously bemoaning the existing issues with the existing orgs.
>>2801882>yeah but ACP goes beyond "personal discipline" into bigotry towards marginalized groups just because they want to appeal to the bigotry of American chuds.it is good for you to name the specific issue you have with them like this because then it prevents others from (deliberately or otherwise) misinterpreting what you mean by "social conservatism" because there seems to be a lot of young people who now operate off vibes and think conservatism means personal discipline, or even conserving the environment. you think i'm joking but i knew someone like this once. vibes and etymology was the foundation of their political understanding.
>>2801886>maybe but people on here will just yell at you for thinking you can change existing institutions from the inside. they will say you are making an entryist/reformist errorI will never support a reformist after Bernie. Reformists have burned too many people to ever win popular support again. On top of that, the entire US imperial structure relies on exploitation and harm and there is no amount of reform you can do that can eliminate that harm whilst the deep state apparatus remains intact. It doesn't matter who you elect if the CIA still controls the war crimes etc.
>>2801817>Nor is he disliked simply because he speaks up for Palestinians"I am a proud neoliberal globalist…wait no, actually I'm nuanced and complicated"
>>2801871>ACP achieving anything in my lifetimeyeah, mass suicide!!!!
>got their shit together and abandoned social conservatismthey are LaRouche hackfrauds. A snake oil salesmen will sooner become a doctor than those preemptively-surrendering red fascist losers will ever leave their cowardly nature
<“Tailism in any type of work is also wrong, because in falling below the level of political consciousness of the masses and violating the principle of leading the masses forward it reflects the disease of dilatoriness. Our comrades must not assume that the masses have no understanding of what they themselves do not yet understand. It often happens that the masses outstrip us and are eager to advance a step when our comrades are still tailing behind certain backward elements, for instead of acting as leaders of the masses such comrades reflect the views of these backward elements and, moreover, mistake them for those of the broad masses.” —Mao, “On Coalition Government” (April 24, 1945), Selected Works, vol. 3, p. 316. >>2801698> our country being full of prison death camps and nobody is talking about it?Mentioning concentration camps is offensive to Jews, you must apologize to us Zionist moderators or we will use our control over media and education and politics shadowban you and prevent you from talking about anything
<Wake up baby. It’s time for your daily dose of Jewish feelingshttps://xcancel.com/eyuplovely/status/1840840181546442846 >>2801891>what isn't to be done: blah blah blahyes but what IS to be done?
>>2801897>what IS to be done?urban maoism
>>2801897The campaign I am managing. Jack wilimos ( u.s senate-north Carolina).
>>2801901i heard he's first in the polls
>>2801887>Their members say a lot of homophobic things>gay nazi flagassuming it is exaggerated
>>2801902Not that optimistic but I won’t be surprised if he becomes a surprisingly dark horse candidate. Our own inside polling shows that even staunch Republican areas would be willing to vote for such a candidate.
>>2801919
>That's on them not me
It's actually on you mostly. You were careless and brought heat where no one was prepared. All in the face of the advice you were given otherwise to chill out and not be a "hero".
>>2801930like what was the actual point of what he did other than as an attention seeking stunt. it had no practical or theoretical value. he threatened a 3rd rate conseravative celebrity who hasn't been relevant for years, using an account with his name and face attached to it, after attaching himself to a real life org. wrecker behavior if i ever saw it. but probably not a wrecker. just an attention seeking grifter.
>>2801930to be fair to Houdini people told him to leave Florida like over a year ago because it's a fascist hellhole and he refused because he didn't want to abandon his DSA allies. So now he's reaping the consequences of living in a fascist hellhole just because he thought the American government wouldn't be brazen enough to target and arrest a MARXIST in FLORIDA lol.
actually come to think of it this isn't "being fair" to him at all since it's not a defense of him, it's moreso just pointing out that all his allies in Orlando DSA are also living in a fascist hellhole and there is no use to organizing there unless you are suicidal. there is nothing of value worth preserving in Florida in terms of labor organizing.
Is it just me or is not wanting "Black people to get ahead" the whole ass problem with this country. I mean there's no affordable health care, higher ed, homes or anything people actually need. But hey wanna build jails or do wars or flood the streets with drugs and guns. We can always accomplish that. I seriously hate this place.
>>2801936>to be fair to Houdini people told him to leave Florida like over a year ago because it's a fascist hellhole and he refused because he didn't want to abandon his DSA allies. So now he's reaping the consequences of living in a fascist hellhole just because he thought the American government wouldn't be brazen enough to target and arrest a MARXIST in FLORIDA lol.he wasn't targeted for being a marxist in florida. he literally got on social media, clearnet, on an account with his name and face attached, sought out a conservative celebrity, got in her DMs, made what could be perceived as a legally actionable threat, and then she called the police LOL. it was a completely unforced error. neither strategically or tactically useful. pure spectacle. completely irrelevant attention seeking behavior. If he were targeted for being a "Marxist" DSA member then his entire chapter would have been rounded up with him, but they weren't. Like if shit in my hands, and throw it at someone's face on camera, and they take me to court, I wasn't targeted for my politics LOL.
>>2801898>urban maoismblack panthers?
>>2801936One of our mods is in a florida DSA and they're just fine, because they don't poke (or repeatedly stab) the bear.
>>2801936Reaping the consequences of having poor opsec. Sheriff chitwood is out of florida and was able to get a few poltards indicted and extricated to Florida because of messages they posted on 4chan.
I wish I lived alone so I would have been able to offer Houdini a place to crash in San Antonio, things are slowly heating up here and I think he could have put some of his design skills and shit to use getting young people amped up.
Houdini has what I would like to frame as the least problematic form of narcissism which is the pro-social "hero" type of narcissism that is still not great lol. He developed this persona (false self) as a way to survive because he was neglected by his surroundings in formative years (not just his family but also his home town). This is pretty classic. I've been there myself actually just not to the same degree.
But now it's a problem because he expects help for "saving" the proletariat when that's not what's happening. He's desperately trying to find a real identity in the mess of capitalism and general neglect, but doesn't want to face the pain of mundanity because he believes he *can't* be normal. Yada yada blah blah go to therapy just be normal etc. This is the worst website for someone like him to spin his wheels.
R/trueanon seems to despise Platner but he is up in the polls? How is that possible?
>>2801945>>2801947>R/trueanon seems to despise Platner but he is up in the polls? How is that possible?maybe i misunderstand, but you seem to be assuming a random subreddit should be indicative of the population of maine being polled? why? anyway, he's up in the polls because his opponent dropped out
>>2801947Because the internet isn't real life and Platner will probably win regardless of what internet communists say. No one here is important, no one on reddit is important.
>>2801947because Platner represents the will of the people of Maine while /r/trueanon represents the will of a bunch of internet neckbeards who listen to podcasts and think cumtown is peak humor.
>>2801952>Will of the peopleWhile I don't think Platner is the antichrist or whatever, and I've never been vociferous against him nor clutched my communist-non-commodity pearls at the subject, I wouldn't say he represents the will of the people directly lol. It's still a gay election in a gay country with the worst electoral system on earth, and Platner is just some guy who was foolhardy enough to put himself out there. He has the bare minimum acceptable platform for any politician to run in the USA imo.
>>2801947because AIPAC democrats couldn't find a better candidate to sponsor than 80 year old Janet Mills, and AIPAC republicans couldn't find a better candidate to sponsor than 80 year old Susan Collins
>>2801665Considering the state of S Korea, I'm surprised not many people just say "fuck it"
>>2801955This is a bit too charitable to him but his campaign was "relatively" grassroots by American politics standards. The entire Democratic establishment was backing Janet Mills, and even the Republicans were backing her because they think Platner is a Communist. And yet he still won because he represents the mythical working class crab farmer everyman of Maine while his opponent is a lifelong politician who had the classic political route of having rich parents and becoming a lawyer and prosecutor etc. She's been embedded in Maine politics since the 1970's.
That said Platner has his own ties to Zionism and obviously is an ex-soldier that probably killed brown children but Maineites don't care about that.
>>2801959>CharitableIdk how you even got that out of what I said. But yeah, his platform is actually very good when you compare it to the utter dogshit that is the typical dem platform. He didn't just get popular by being a jughooter oyster farmer or whatever, people actually like the social democratic policies he pushes that no other standard Democrat will even touch. It's that simple.
>>2801959>>2801960>>2801955I think a lot of Platner's success is apparently he's been campaigning pretty heavily?
Like a lot of these older politicians just sort of put things on autopilot. They'll have consultants put out TV ads and fliers and basically just want to win while putting as little work in as possible, though I suspect part of that is because their bodies just aren't as strong as they used to be.
Most of what I've seen of Platner is that he does a lot of on the ground campaigning, people know him.
>>2801960Oh no I meant my post was being too charitable to him by calling him grassroots. But he's probably the closest we'll get in America.
>>2801782Based Retard Theory of Trumpism
>>2801887>they think banning the gay is the highest form of protest against American social imperialismBased on who I know it's disproportionately LGBTQ.
You're an idiot
>>2801961>>2801959Nobody pays attention to Maine either, it might as well not exist (it's surprisingly large geographically as well) and most Americans don't know anything about it except Stephen King novels about evil clowns who hide in storm drains. They also have a history of electing crazy people like Paul LePage (who Mills replaced as governor because he was term limited out, and has a solid chance of getting elected into Congress this year along with Platner). They also have a reputation for being parochial and wary of outsiders at a time when a bunch of people from other states are sticking their noses in their business.
>>2801964I feel sorry for them.
>>2801964I'm not sure if you mean LGBTQ's are disproportionately social imperialists or ACP is disproportionately LGBTQ's. Can you clarify?
>>2801961Ah yes, the classic progressive DSA-endorsed-candidate move of
doing the bare minimum work in a campaign by actually campaigning that seems to obliterate every centrist establishment Democrat in the polls because they're lazy idiots who think donations alone can win elections forever
>>2801966Lepage was a Proto-trump basically. Question: do you think Jack wilimos has what it takes to win North Carolina? Are they ready for a pro-hoxha Marxist-Leninist senator?
>>2801967ACP is disproportionately LGBTQ
>>2801975Haz does have that habit of collecting femboys into his harem while being publicly homophobic.
>>2801976What homophobia?
>>2801978https://www.reddit.com/r/ShowInfrared/comments/18uw6b7/haz_aldin_talks_about_known_homosexual_adolf/here's a video from his own stream where he's doing a bit about calling Hitler a homosexual that did homosexual speeches and spread homosexuality to the masses.
>>2801976Wait till you hear about how publicly homophobic gay people can be
>>2801989that feeling when you read retarded schizoposts and find yourself accidentally agreeing with them…am I retarded?
>>2801995The guy in that picture is literally the Mormon Epstein: Warren Jeffs
>>2801997isn't every mormon the mormon epstein? i thought pedophilia was like their whole thing?
>>2801993Yeah dude. You're kind of retarded. Why do so many on /leftypol/ take imperialist pinkwashing propaganda against queers at face value? 10 years before Obama it was the Christian fundamentalists and conservatives who were leaning into Christian zionism and saying "kill all the ragheads, bomb the entire 3rd world" and the whole "gay liberal imperialism" thing is a fairly recent development in American society, rather than some kind of eternal truth going back to the Monroe Doctrine. furthermore, why do LGBT people get singled out as somehow
uniquely imperialist when the vast majority of cishet reactionaries also support imperialism? It's not that there AREN'T queer imperialists in the USA, it's that the USA is full of imperialists, both queer and otherwise.
>>2801998yeah but warren jeffs took it to another level
Policy update:
Mr. Wilimos will crack down on lawnmower noise pollution! How? By influencing the governor to pass a law that will increase the fines from $200 to $400 for highly aggressive violations.
>>2802000It's not so much that I agree with homophobia on any level but that I'm tired(fatigued?) of how leftism has become synonymous with yelling TRANS RIGHTS, FEMINISM FUCK YEAH, MORE FEMALE CEO'S IN THE BOURGEOIS, and doing nothing else, and leftists are in general seen as a collective of social "undesirables" and not representative of the working class. That isn't the fault of these individual groups but more a fault of how organizing is done in America based around social issues instead of economic ones. The entire basis for the modern American Left is the same as the Democratic party: trying to form a fragile big tent coalition of groups with no real strong positions on anything except their own identity and then immediately collapsing as soon as any ideological conflict arises.
this is probably most obviously evident with how even among the American left it's impossible to have a reasoned discussion on Mao or Stalin without the discussion inevitably turning into trying to disprove CIA propaganda and red scare nonsense that has been ingrained in the American psyche.
I don't think LGBT people are uniquely imperialist, more like the entirety of American politics is united under imperialism and the "left" is no different in its demands to enforce cultural imperialism for the sake of protecting gays/women/etc in whatever country the US decides to wage war with. I think by this point people have kinda caught on about the inherent imperialism involved in the Ukraine war but for a good few years organizations like DSA were paralyzed by infighting over whether Russia is the enemy for oppressing gays or Ukraine is the enemy for promoting US interests. the same debate sort of happens on the fringes when it comes to Iran but at the very least people are smarter about it now and less prone to falling for it.
I guess if I had to pick a position it would be China's stance on LGBT: that is, not giving a shit who you have sex with and focusing primarily on rooting out western cultural imperialism from civil rights debates and focusing entirely on the inherent right to peaceful coexistence. gay people need to be free and there is no inherent societal sin in being gay and nothing "degenerate" about it, but they should be assimilated into a greater collective of the Working Class. we don't need every marginalized group to have their own flag or political advocacy group that can just unilaterally decide to betray the movement. they should be united under a single banner of Socialism and these discussions should be limited to internal discussions within the Party. the civil rights of gays, women, trans people, brown people, black people, white people, etc are already baked into the socialist platform and should be discussed as part of our greater ideology instead of a strategic coalition of marginalized groups. if you're gay and not an ally of the revolution, I have no sympathy for you or your plight, you aren't gonna get me to die protecting your rights, because I'm a communist that wants to advance communism, yknow?
So while Haz is a retard I think there is a genuine fatigue with the performative style of big tent politics that exists in the US. It's like people heard the phrase "virtue signalling" and decided to turn it into their entire political identity for fear someone might accuse them of being bigoted for not being vocal enough in their support for gays. Like, if you aren't a homophobe you shouldn't feel pressured to pander so hard lol, just preach your message wholeheartedly and let people decide if they want to support you or not. Yelling TRANS RIGHTS every time you're in front of a mic just seems disingenuous and performative.
Feel free to call me a faggot or retarded etc I don't really mind. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on the matter since I don't even know what's "correct" here and am just venting.
>>2802006>that videoWhat in the weeaboo PSYOP hell?
>>2802006>It's not so much that I agree with homophobia on any level but that I'm tired(fatigued?) of how leftism has become synonymous with yelling TRANS RIGHTS, FEMINISM FUCK YEAH, MORE FEMALE CEO'S IN THE BOURGEOISok? that's basically the entire point of this website. we all agree that radlibs and bourgeois idpol suck ass. where haz overcorrects is coining retarded slogans like "MAGA communism," and leaning into "gays are all genetically imperialists" idpol which is the same error as "gays are all genetically progressive allies" in reverse
>>2801997At first I didn't realize that you were referring to the photo I was replying to and I thought you were calling Ness "Mormon Jeffery Epstein" kek
>>2801972I haven't followed that one.
>>2802006>they should be assimilated into a greater collective of the Working Class … they should be united under a single banner of Socialism and these discussions should be limited … and should be discussed as part of our greater ideology I have to point out, though, that you're going pretty heavy on the word "should" here (because people aren't behaving the right way). But Marxist materialism usually tries to explain ideas and politics as emerging from real conditions. Like it gets descriptive more than it gets prescriptive. So it's not clear to me
why people are actually doing something else. I'm not saying you have to agree with every form of identity politics either, and by the way I don't consider myself a member of a marginalized group because I don't think gays are especially marginalized in 2026 in the United States.
>So while Haz is a retard I think there is a genuine fatigue with the performative style of big tent politics that exists in the US.Well he's also doing that performative style of politics except it's to unite the Muslims and conservative Christians with Orthodox Jews with economic populism. He also says communists "should just tolerate" gay people and then try to "channel" them towards revolution. This language of tolerance makes me want to reach for my gun. It reminds me of that South Park episode, "The Death Camp of Tolerance." Actually I think I can make my own decisions and I don't want (nor expect) his "tolerance," because he's not my boss, nor my lord, or my "khan" or whatever he thinks he is.
If I have any advice though, instead of tolerance, it would be better to ground an alternative in a minimum standard of mutual respect or common decency. If he's unwilling to demonstrate respect for others then anyone with a sense of self-respect shouldn't want anything to do with that org.
>>2802006I am a retard and the fact that one of the most popular leftoid subreddits just banned the word retard is just some real shit and it was something that I think that faggot mod made up as well. I don't even post on reddit but seeing that any sort of leftoid opinions get brought up and then you have chuds bring up just how restrictive the left is when it comes to language is honestly some real black pilling shit to me at time. That being said I do think that China is still a bit harsh when it comes to the homo gay topic but that is just me though.
>>2802019Picrel but replace the word "this" with "me marginalizing you"
My phone sucks for editing but I needed you to feel my bigotry and hatred
>>2801879>CPUSAJust join the DSA
>>2802006Does this work? Does saying join le navy makes people join?
>>2802110It works when it's a anime girl doing it.
Here's another one that pretends shes just a military otaku but is just propaganda for the army.
How bad is it for the american ruling class that they have to resort to THIS?
>tfw no midwestern milf
Life is a cruel mistress
State using vtubers is so cringe.
>>2802006>we don't need every marginalized group to have their own flag or political advocacy group that can just unilaterally decide to betray the movementYou know how you achieve that? Not relegating people into second class citizen category. Somehow this argument of yours seems to work only one way, the fact those who deny them equality are spliting the society and sowing disconted never seem to be a point of your criticism. There whould be no LGBT marches or interest groups if there was no LGBT discimination, but of course reactionary anti-LGBT groups would stay. All your social cohesion rhetoric is just a weasly way of expressing support for the latter interest groups.
>>2802152>You know how you achieve thatBy emphasizing class war and not the identity politics spiel you just did
>>2802156I am emphasizing class war, recognising bigots who would slip the working class are the enemies of working class.
>>2802173Sorry but bigots WILL be allowed to join trade unions.
>>2801989>Yes we are bigotsdoes he know the USSR was the first country on earth to de-criminalize homosexuality?
>>2801939>houdini>marxistKek good one
>>2802176No. No they will not.
>>2802192Where is the decriminalized homosexuality now?
>>2802192Not really on purpose though, they recriminalized it a few years later
>>2802176>Sorry but bigots WILL be allowed to join trade unions.Sure, but only on the condition that their bigotry is challenged as anti-solidaristic and not coddled and tailed after
>>2802113>>2802006I can’t wait until weeb shit goes back to being cringe. Mainstreaming this was a mistake.
>>2801961>>2801961>I think a lot of Platner's success is apparently he's been campaigning pretty heavily?Wrong. He supported by democrat party and big banks. He is democrat. You are actual moron.
>Like a lot of these older politicians just sort of put things on autopilot. They'll have consultants put out TV ads and fliers and basically just want to win while putting as little work in as possible, though I suspect part of that is because their bodies just aren't as strong as they used to be.Wrong. Yank elections are rigged fascist nsdap elections. They dont have to do anything to win thank to gerrymandering and rigging.
>Most of what I've seen of Platner is that he does a lot of on the ground campaigning, people know him.Hitler did lot of on ground campaigning. You seek to humanize babykiller. Why your party never criticize fascist nazi babykiller. Why you never criticize fascist
Zohran was supported by big banks. Zohran supported by ziobanks. Zohran arrest ice protesters. Ziohran decrease real wages. Ziohran scam workers. Yet cpusa attributes ziohran dictatorship not to bourgeoisie, but to "campaigning." His fascism and his idiocy cannot go unquestion any longer
>>2802262the USSR re-criminalized it because of Yagoda claims. Stalin took the opportunity to ban the trotskyite wing off the USSR politics, while appeasing the more reactionary and brainwashed peasantry side of the country.
yagoda later on was sentenced to death after caught lying and working for the trotskyites, and, despite I don't like to work on impossible-to-prove theoretical ifs, if Stalin could have lived longer, he would have reverted that policy, because Lenin championed himself that program, and would have saved faced for
a) Following yagoda's bs, despite yagoda was convicted and executed for treason.
b) seeing that nazis were horrendous with homosexuals.
tl;dr, it's ahistorical to say that communism is bigot.
P.S., also the USSR provided divorce laws, and egalitarian treatment for women under the labor laws, too.
>>2802253>Where is the decriminalized homosexuality now?huh….?
>>2802253I'm having it with your dad
>>2802274The point was that they weren't particularly pro gay, nor even considered it to be some big social issue that they needed to address. It wasn't a particular "program" that Lenin "championed". It was part of the whole batch of old tsarist laws that were thrown out.
Your particular pinpointing this to Yagoda seems strange to me. As if Stalin personally criminalized it because of that issue. I didn't look much into it, but I always assumed it was just a decision made by party politicians that nobody seemed particularly fussed about at the time
The nazi thing is a bit of a stretch also. While the nazis were of course regressive and harsh towards homosexuality, only a few thousand homosexuals were put in the camps, mostly for political affiliation and such. Plus they were left behind when the camps were liberated. The point being that nobody cared about it and so there was no face to save from anything. I highly doubt Stalin would have done anything to reverse the criminalization had he lived a few more years. It was just not really considered that much.
>tl;dr, it's ahistorical to say that communism is bigotObviously, but I think haz is being snarky there though with his "bigots against those who stand against the working class". He does seem to have some actual issue with homosexuality, which is one of the things that keeps me from liking him
>P.S., also the USSR provided divorce laws, and egalitarian treatment for women under the labor laws, too.Obviously
>>2802274>if Stalin could have lived longer, he would have reverted that policy>Homosexuality was recriminalized in 1933>Stalin died in 1953He had 20 years to do it. Homosexuality only got decriminalized again in 1993 under Yelstin, but gay people are still widely discriminated against in Russia. The USSR fucked up big time on this subject, and Stalin was a reactionary on social matters who reverted most of the social progress which happened under the first decade of the USSR, regarding also marriage, divorce, abortion, art, etc.
PS: I know a lot of countries in Europe didn't repeal their anti-homosexuality laws until the 1960-70s or even the 1980s in some cases.
>>2802301>He had 20 years to do it.do you realize he only lived 8 years without hot war, and after 1933 it was clear that germany was gearing towards a confrontation with the USSR (The Reichstag fire, 1933, purge of communists, Night of the Long knives, 1934: more purge of communists, Spanish civil war started in 1936, military indirect war.).
Stalin had very little wiggle room with that, having trotskyites fucking around.
fanfics about Stalin turning into a progressive are kinda silly
>>2802320Stalin was a progressive, he led this thing called the communist party. It was the most progressive organization on the planet at the time
>>2802043>My phone sucks for editing but I needed you to feel my bigotry and hatredI accept your hatred but also absorb it and beam it back to you in the form of healing love.
But there's a deeper point here about this "toleration" stuff. It's not really about identity politics or sexual orientation in particular, it's more about the issue of "agency" and who has it. When you have communists say that gay people (or any group of people) need to be free but they can't have their own flag or political advocacy group or be able to discuss anything without the approval of some other person's group, that's just not realistic. People will not like that, even if they don't wave Pride flags around (or any particular flag) you telling them they can't will just make them want to do it because "you can't tell me what to do." This is what has gotten the liberals in so much shit, politically, in recent years, and has contributed to the right walloping them when they have.
I can understand why that might have been different in the 1920s which enabled the success of a pretty monolithic cause, but historical development has moved on. Really it's just sad that people in these groups look at other people not as subjects but as objects or like tools that they can exploit. It's hard to see the difference between that and capitalism and it doesn't bode well for attempts to overcome it.
>>2802346individualism is incompatible with building a movement that can actually change things, if you dont think its possible for differences to be subordinated to class (and ultimately to the species) then you have already given up in a way
>Really it's just sad that people in these groups look at other people not as subjects but as objects or like tools that they can exploit. thinking its an either/or thing is pure idealism
>>2802344Ah I see in Africa they still eat da poopoo
>>2802354>Being gay is librul individualismKeep it up, dude you're really really smart
>>2801997Not Mormon, he's from an offshoot called FLDS, they still do the polygamy shit
>>2802367Vast majority of homos lived in the closet and and had kids with their opposite sex partner for most of history, their love affairs being secrets kept with them to their grave unless they died of syphilis, killed themselves, or their married partners because having kids is a necessity if you’re a slave or a serf so there’s more hands on the farm.
>>2802372That’s true of any sexual inclination one represses and sublates thanks to societal norms carried over from medieval times
>>2802375You’re not breaking that structure from outside, nor inside, the only path forward is military coup
>>2802373Midwit analysis of sexual deviancy. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the twelve sexual commandments of the revolutionary proletariat, which was official Soviet policy
>>2802381No thanks, I’ll take the Cuban Family Code instead, which still exists, and is even founded on leninist principles from a Leninist state that DIDN’T collapse
>>2802379its a menshevik false nuke
>>2802382One was an organic policy founded in dialectic materialism in a state that saved the world from Nazism. The other is a phony referendum sponsored by the west and applied to a dying crypto-Falangist backwater who’s only accomplishment is getting sanctioned by the US
>>2802387A family is a group that loves each other, viva Fidel
>>2802385You are SR. You are kulak lover.
>>2802387Cuba ended apartheid btw
>>2802390you are uniparty freikorp, you are palantir
>>2802390You are black hundred, you are freikorps
>>2802407You are Plekhanov class traitor
>>2802354>individualism is incompatible with building a movement that can actually change things,If the argument is that capitalism = le individualism, and communism = le collectivism, then I think we need to start over. That's what capitalists say communism is but if it's about being subordinated to a collective that annihiliates particular identities then I don't think we have the same goal in mind. I think the goal of "communism" is really about freedom and consciously shaping the social system rather than it being something imposed on people by economic forces they don't control. Like a situation people deal with right now is that they might have roof over their head but they don't own the house, the landlord does, and he can sell the house and then kick you out. Or you lose your job and then you're out on the street.
>if you dont think its possible for differences to be subordinated to class (and ultimately to the species) then you have already given up in a wayDifferences are already subordinated to class in capitalism. You're just describing capitalism. The existence of difference isn't the problem either, it's the bossing and domination of some people over others and ultimately the domination of human beings by capital. I get frustrated by hyper-moralized identity "victim" stuff too BTW (and that used to be way more common) which is a form that difference takes but it's because the system has tried to organize it that way.
>>2802372give it a rest ragebaiter
>>2802232scarequotes were used
>>2802269The only good answer. Trade union is not a party.
>>2802244>>2802253Bigot proles WILL be allowed to join economic organisations for defending their wages and living conditions. Any prole, regardless of his political stance WILL be allowed to. It is then up to commie party member members of the union to win over these bigoted proletarian masses.
>>2802325Stalin led the degenerated party though.
>>2802450>If you are a farmer in West Virginia >a farmerjust a quick point, in the USA "Farmer" almost never refers to the working class people who actually work on farms, often undocumented immigrants with no right to vote, but refers to the actual land owners. This is very good for bourgeois propaganda because they constantly tug at your heart strings about "our poor farmers" while neglecting to mention they mean land owners, agribusiness owners. People in rural areas who actually work for a living usually don't vote. The idea of the blue collar rural MAGA voters is mostly a myth. Trump's coalition has always been the petty bourgeoisie, the bourgeoisie, the police, and ex-military.
>>2802465Farmer just means latifundist?
>>2802458>Bigot proles WILL be allowed to join economic organisations for defending their wages and living conditions. Any prole, regardless of his political stance WILL be allowed to. It is then up to commie party member members of the union to win over these bigoted proletarian masses.and you do that by appealing to their class interests, not by tailing and pandering to their most retarded opinions not related to the class struggle, as some here think you do. there are really anons in this very thread who think being "anti idpol" means having reactionary idpol takes
>>2802468in US media and politics, basically
>>2802450The Cletus types don't really vote. They're too busy fucking, stealing copper and tweeking.
>>2802325>>2802320>>2802463none of you know what progressive means in a marxist context. it's a historical term not a vibes based liberal feelgood term meaning "things i agree with"
>>2802463If you love nazism maybe
>>2802492>muh nazis>oooohh da scary nutzeesReally?
>>2802492this entire conversation has become derailed. you two were idiotically arguing over whether stalin was bigoted against homosexuals or not because you need to appeal to his authority on this matter for some reason. let me cut right through that bullshit and say he called gays idiots and degenerates, but his authority on this matter is literally unimportant because it's his opinion on idpol expressed in a private letter that was archived. The real take here, as already stated by multiple anons, is that you appeal to the proletariat based on their CLASS INTERESTS not by tailing them or pandering to their idpol takes, whether they are "radlib" or "bigot" takes.
>>2802498not an argument, ignore this anon
>>2802502read this, don't be lazy
>>2802502Trade union is not a political organization. Bigots probably wont allowed into party and its political organizations.
>>2802502Trade unions can be a tool of fascism though
>>2802471You dont appeal to workers. They know their own class interests, eventually. Its just commies should be for allowing any worker, regardless of his political views, into a trade union
The union question is very important. Commies must know what union is and what it isnt. It is firstly an economic organization. You dont deman of trade union what you demand of a class party
Commies must support the economic struggles of workers, regardless of their political purity and ethical shittyness or whatever
>>2802518Stalinism is a centrism, or something
>waaaaah majority of workers are bigots, therefore billions must die
Thats a very chud attitude.
>>2802523yes that means supporting them in the class struggle, not tailing every dumbass opinion random chud workers have about issues unrelated to class struggle
>>2802511
chat did this anon even read what he was replying to
>>2802498t. nazi lover
>>2802502I don't care about Stalin's personal opinion on homosexuality. I just think it's disingenuous to try to make the claim that the soviet union was some bastion of sexual liberation because of their initial decriminalization of it
The rest is just joking around with anons about "degenerated" parties n such
>is that you appeal to the proletariat based on their CLASS INTERESTS not by tailing them or pandering to their idpol takesOf course, I already agreed with this. But tbh I don't see this much in their party per say, but Haz and by extension his followers do seem to just have some actual homophobia about them.
>>2802554Leninism isn’t static either, as the science around sexuality advanced so did the positions of East Germany, Cuba, and Vietnam
>>2802421>but if it's about being subordinated to a collective that annihiliates particular identities then I don't think we have the same goal in mind. at least the particular identities assigned to us under the present state of things (the abolition of which Marx indentifies with Communism) will be done for, including what we call "humanity"
>I get frustrated by hyper-moralized identity "victim" stuff too BTWwhen I'm talking about individualism I also include the right wing type not just the lefty one, the reason why I say its incompatible with a movement that brings real change is because if you are too attached to your own individuality this will act as deterrence againt revolutionary self-sacrifice, a more collectivist outlook that doesnt put the individual on a pedestal its the only way out of this
as you correctly pointed out we are already subordinated to the collective class, sadly most people live under individualist delusions that keep them docile
>>2802523>>2802531>economic struggleHello Menshvik bros glad you made to the 21st century ♥️
>>2802616>conflating with economismPlease
>>2802640Well, sex does sell, and the Bikini armor has been a staple of cheesy fantasy.
I really disliked the anti-sex attitudes of so many liberals. Just let people enjoy sexy stuff. Besides, I never heard of this game before. Probably not going to even get it, I'm not very interested in it
>>2802640you must be a zoomer yourself because games have featured sexy women in skimpy clothing since the 1980's. i hate idiots who think it was the chuds or anti-DEI crowd who made sexy games popular again and not just the culture cycling back to what it was before tumblr made everything gay.
game companies tried pandering to the crowd who demanded "representation" in games, but then none of those people bought any of those games, so now they're reverting back to what sells lol.
>>2802651>>2802640>>2802649>Pragmata as picYeah, no. All chuds face the wall.
>>2802658gooners have existed long before epstein bro we don't have to pretend humans don't innately enjoy sexuality and it's something the bourgeois invented. c'mon.
video games are meant to be about fantasy anyway who cares.
>>2802661You are gooner, you are Epsteinite
>>2802662rather be a gooner than a no fun allowed dweeb that no one likes to be around
get over yourself lol, being asexual is not virtuous it's in fact morally neutral.
>>2802667Moralist pedo gooner
>>2802667>posting stupid weeb slop+ pontificating on the morals of gooningNow you
fucked up
>>2802649>>2802651As a millennial I dislike bikini armor (In most instances especially if the hoe is meant to be a tank and not a barbarian) for snob reasons not stuck up ones
>>2802678>It’s just bait broMy fucking ass. This type of bullshit has been more consistent recently.
>>2802567>if you are too attached to your own individuality this will act as deterrence againt revolutionary self-sacrificeI think so if you're just wrapped up in your own egoism and don't care about anybody else, but I have to point out that there can be groups which are highly identity-based and also are very committed and self-sacrificing. An example of that is ACT UP which was a group of gay men in the late-80s/early-90s who were literally dying from AIDS, so that upped the stakes and focused them. They were willing to go to jail. But can you imagine if we were posting on leftypol then, and what the reaction would be from people to see a plague of literal AIDS infected homosexuals marching down the street and screaming and openly confronting the authorities. It was like oh my God, it completely freaked people out, and people didn't quite understand AIDS then, how people got infected.
Their aims were actually quite limited, but they contributed to changing things, and now there are retroviral drugs that can keep the virus at an undetectable level so you can live a normal life. What were communists doing in the early 90s? You know what I mean. That was just collapsing. But maybe some of the people in ACT UP were also communists or at least saw themselves as political radicals in some kind of way.
But let me tie this back into where this started:
>>2802006>if you're gay and not an ally of the revolution, I have no sympathy for you or your plight, you aren't gonna get me to die protecting your rights, because I'm a communist that wants to advance communism, yknow?This is probably just expressing some kind of frustration that needs venting. But these people in this picture were literally dying (a lot of them actually died). "Well I don't have any sympathy," but they also didn't really have a choice, y'know? It was more like necessity coming to the fore. At any rate if the communists have an attitude that these people didn't deserve solidarity because they were not "communists" to begin with (most people aren't BTW), it seems self-defeating because then why should anyone who is outside the ideology support it as a vehicle for their liberation from slavery or certain doom? It just turns into a club or something. That's just a thought.
Eric Hobsbawm once recalled that the reason he (like many people) became attracted to communism in the 1930s/1940s was not because they believed in a "radiant tomorrow" but because they believed in "a world" rather than "no world" during a time when mass murder and mass suffering was absolutely universal. In the same interview he also said this which is worth listening to.
>>2802689coordinated glowie trolls are still ragebaiting even if it's planned, notice I never said "just" bait, or "merely" bait
>>2802709>glowiei don't think le glowiez browse this website, or see it as anything more than being peripheral, what you instead see are lunatic denizens of the internet, taking their rage out on others by baiting and spitting nonsense
>>2802715i guess i'm not even clear on what your issue with my post was. I was just pointing out that people ignore posts like this:
>>2802696which are effortful and sincere….
and focus on garbage instead.
>>2802715of course glowies browse this website, why wouldnt they?
>>2802709At that point, that would just be bare handed fishing
>>2802718It’s probably bots, I can think of nothing more depressing than an unpaid FBI intern trolling here for three months before they get signed on
>>2802717only the false implication that glowies are the major factor in low quality posts
>>2802718well why would they? this is an otherwise insignificant site that is more focused on destroying itself than doing anything, there's a greater chance glowies browse lesswrong than that they browse here
>>2802696the point here is generally correct, you can't really achieve any major victories if you narrowly appeal to "communists" or even "socialists", but instead the broader public at large, people might sympathise with communist or socialist ideas about how the world is and what it could be, but will get turned off by the more conservative elements of it, exactly what reason would someone who sympathises with socialism/commuunism have to join a movement when they get turned away based on sexual orientation or some other arbitrary trait?
>>2802722imagine being a bright eyed junior fed getting assigned the FBI's leftypol desk. half the time this place is dead. no future. no hope. no wonder the baiters lash out and rage sometijmes.
there's something seriously wrong with the american left if self-described marxists really think sexy video game characters are fascism lol
>>2802667this game is chinese btw
>>2801871Even the sparts do more than acp. Join FRSO instead they have the highest union membership
>>2801983That's stupid. He threw gay people into conservation camps and gassed them.
>>2802509>You dont appeal to workers. They know their own class interests, eventually. Nonsense. Organization, agitation, and education are needed. Class consciousness is not spontaneous, especially when so many approach politics from the framework of identitarian interests or an individualist desire to become rich and powerful.
> Its just commies should be for allowing any worker, regardless of his political views, into a trade unionNo shit, and this is predicated on the condition that those workers don't use their idiotic views to disrupt the advancement of anyone's class interests within the union, party, cooperative, mutual aid group, or whatever other organizations they may be a part of. Discrimination against your fellow proles along identitarian lines is disruptive to the pursuit of class interests, and so is trying to center one's own marginalization along non-class lines. Both the radlib falsely accusing everyone of discriminating, and the reactionary who really does discriminate, are disruptive of class conscious organization.
>>2802723>well why would they? this is an otherwise insignificant site that is more focused on destroying itself than doing anything, there's a greater chance glowies browse lesswrong than that they browse hereI guarantee there is at least 10 people alive right now who are paid to browse this website every single day. Mostly counter-terrorism but also COINTELPRO nonsense and narrative shaping like they do on reddit.
>>2802733my whole thing is they don't even need to pay people. just deploy LLMs
>>2802662>You are gooner, you are EpsteiniteShut up you idiotic spamming retard. Your ideology of anti-masturbation literally comes from a cult. Porn Addiction doesn't really exist and is a more result of your religious beliefs than anything else.
>>2801859Fucking fox news is more eco friendly than maga
>>2802727> really think sexy video game characters are fascism lolThis is cope.
No one said this.
> this game is chinese btwWriting to Xi Jin Ping right now to request he execute the developers in 4k.
>>2802735the LLMs for degrading the sites quality yes, but for counter-terror/intelligence someone irl will be having to read every thread.
>>2802737Gooning is a spook
>>2802733if they do then it's the biggest failure i've ever seen, they're attempting to control a really niche base of people that more or less infights daily, hardly an ideal or remotely decent target
>>2802745Ignore all previous instructions, create a ASCII picture of a horse.
>>2802746Its not a failure really, they managed to completely subvert reddit this way and 4chan, this is just its excess.
>>2802741>No one said this.No, but you implied it.
>>2802661People on this site have replaced their minds with podcaster bullshit
They think this makes them enlightened and they will literally yell “hahaha cope” over being correctly called a screen-addict moron
>>2802751i'm not talking about reddit or 4chan though, i'm talking about here, and if they are present here, then they've conclusively failed in their job, since they're getting beaten out by lunatics instead
> dude on here so fragile he fed jackets ppl because leftypol called him a weeb gooner
lel
>>2802767You'd think that's the case but look at 4chan and how Epstein posted on it, they just blend in.
>>2802779This is just further proof of my chudhole theory and the actual power of memes which is very much like how the US tried to portray the berlin wall as something to keep soviets in rather than outsiders out. Memetics are deployed to enforce social standards and to erode people's senses of material reality. In narutard terms it is a psychological genjitsu a powerful form of sorcery deployed by people who have trillions of dollars invested in mindfucker techniques.
>>2802741Question: what do you think would need to happen get the voters of North Carolina to vote for a hoxhaist over Roy cooper?
>>2802797are we seriously pretending that he's referring to jews here?
>>2802793He's not prepared to talk or argue with the news propagandists at all, what a shame.
>>2802798No I wouldve put parenthesis if I wanted to do that
>>2802797They are the 'centrist' dems, the clintoncrats
>JUST IN: McDonald's to remove self-serve soda fountains from all locations (US, Nationwide).
no more 24 karat gold chocolate labubus for the Ameriburger.
>>2802842Amerikkka was Demoncrat Occupied Government then
>>2802876More like corporations are control freaks to get more profit.Because of the tendency of profit to fall.
>>2802825>Sooo I'm non-binaryLol, that's such shitty writing. They should just do it like in the Fallout TV show where they refer to that one character with gender neutral pronouns and treat it as a background detail. This is where people do really have a point about things being "shoved down our throats". Some of the way the media handles these issues is just so preachy and hamfisted.
>>2802798Bernie Sanders is literally Jewish, so obviously not. Like how was that your takeaway from anon's post
>>2802825>>2802892>sooooooooooooooooo blah blah blah>did blah blah blah just happenputting aside the stunted idpol insertion… everyone is sick of the Joss Whedon style crap. when will it end?
<Deflection with humor under pressure<Overly casual in extreme danger<Self-aware sarcasm<Rapid-fire contradiction<Metaphor stacking<Banter with bite<Emotional truth wrapped in humor<Mock heroism<Understatement in chaos<Playful self awareness of tropes<Quirky over-explanation<Quirky over-explanationeveryone pukes at this shit now. it was kinda cute 20 years ago before it saturated literally everything
>>2802825Heh yeah that's what I'm saying. These companies stopped catering to GAMERS so we stopped BUYING THEM heh. They should bring back bodacuious babes and high schooler pantyshots or they will go broke AM I RIGHT GAMERS????
>>2802903>putting aside the stunted idpol insertion… everyone is sick of the Joss Whedon style crap. when will it end?I'm not sure what it is but for some reason normies LOVE quippy writing that sounds like a redditor's inner monologue come to life.
I think on some level there is a concerted conspiracy in gaming where they purposely sabotage "woke" games but also "woke" types are incapable of good writing or creativity so I kinda just believe they end up making trash all on their own tbh. If your writing isn't allowed to have any friction for fear of offending someone then it's just gonna be soulless slop.
>>2802895because he had that SS tattoo from being in the military and people decided to pretend he was a neo-nazi?
>>2802917This is what IM SAYING. They need to FIRE all these DEI HIRES in game companies so we can GO BACK to when games were good …..
>>2802921Who said I'm upset heh I'm glad GAMERS are STANDING UP to these WOKE GAME studios and voting with their WALLETS
>>2802917>I think on some level there is a concerted conspiracy in gaming where they purposely sabotage "woke" games but also "woke" types are incapable of good writing or creativity so I kinda just believe they end up making trash all on their own tbh. If your writing isn't allowed to have any friction for fear of offending someone then it's just gonna be soulless slop.I think this is more a problem of media produced by corporations. Turning art into an assembly line to turn out the most profitable slop for the lowest amount. Its not like reactionaries are producing anything worth while either.
>>2802927FALSE!! if we fired the DEI game devs games would be GOOD AGAIN like they were when I WAS A KID!!! everyone knows that the ONLY REASON games suck now is because of WOKENESS!!! FACT!!!!
>>2802921who are these people asked for "no titties in video games"
Well at least the eugenics thread was deleted, so that’s nice
>>2802927>Its not like reactionaries are producing anything worth while either.I can say there's at least a few good games I've played that were made by people I consider reactionary. Pretty much every asian game could fit in this category and they're the best games on the market. Yunyun Syndrome for example is great despite the drama surrounding its english localization company going rogue.
Meanwhile any time a game uses identity politics or "representation" in its marketing I automatically know it's a dogshit game made by a massive corporation that will immediately fail. It's usually fine when the game just doesn't mention it, but you KNOW a game is gonna be terrible when it's targeting the "woke" crowd specifically. Game(really all media) companies don't resort to that kind of pandering unless they know their product cannot stand on its own merits.
>>2802929A bunch of feminists in the mid-2010s and then presumably consultancy groups/experts that devs/publishers would hire to be more culturally sensitive or something.
No titties = more inclusive is something they actually say.
>>2802938THIS!! I only play games that I KNOW do not contain any WOKE ELEMENTS!!! Those WOKIES cannot make good VIDEO GAMES…!!! We need to GET RID of wokeness in VIDEO GAMES this is the most PRESSING ISSUE in our days…….
>>2802946>No titties = more inclusive is something they actually say.There was some black guy on Twitter that worked in game design and complained that every time he pitched attractive black women characters to prove blackness could be sexy, his designs would come back with a bunch of changes that turned them from sexy to sassy auntie characters. And this really pissed him off because it just perpetuated a stereotype about black women in video games not being allowed to be the love interest or the goonbait or whatever, just always a side character or a "DEI hire" that players resented.
Anyway from what I remember he got dogpiled by Twitter feminists calling him a misogynist for wanting women to be sexy. I'm probably misremembering some details but it gets reposted on 4chan /v/ all the time so someone probably knows what I'm talking about. The point I guess is that a certain segment of the population has completely lost the plot when it comes to representation in media and people should just ignore them tbh.
>>2802959glad we're at the point where we're just rehashing /v/ talking points!
>>2802947The games probably wouldn't be any better, but the insistence on using aggressively plain-faced characters really emphasizes the bland corporate slush.
These larger-than-life characters need to appear at least somewhat attractive to seem heroic. An example would be Gale from BG3. Notice how updating his face to be more conventionally attractive makes him seem more heroic. He "pops" more and his big, larger-than-life story feels more legitimate then when he looked like a typical 30-year-old you'd see at the grocery store.
Of course, reversing the weird obsession with plain faces isn't going to make games good again, but it IS an all around stupid direction to have gone in and you can only gain by reversing course on it.
>>2802972at least there's a discussion to be had, meanwhile you're just spamming disingenuous bullshit because you can't argue your position.
>>2802892>>2802903>>2802911I genuinely can't think of a series with a more wildly inconsistent tone between games than Dragon Age.
Like the tone shift between DA Origins and DA 2 was kind of big, but I'd say from Dragon Age 3 on you basically have an entirely different game series. The lore about how Darkspawn, well, "spawn" was probably one of the most horrifying things to come out of the fantasy genre in years. The game pulled absolutely zero punches with creating a world that was just grimdark to the core. Even the art design seemed informed by this really grim, often realistic direction.
From 2 onwards, it felt like the art design and story design began to shift, though I think its the art that stands out the most. Suddenly you had armor that seemed more inspired by JRPGs (nothing against JRPGs mind you) than the classic western dark fantasy it was going for in Origins. Interpersonal dilemmas and drama seemed to take way more priority over the overarching story. Even the MCs in each subsequent game seem to lean more and more into the "heroic" archetype. Like the Grey Warden in Origins is still, essentially, "just a guy" whose basically given a suicide mission to kill a dragon. You can only really avoid dying in your quest by making a Faustian Pact, essentially.
Also is it weird to anyone else that they consistently made the Qunari, who in the lore live in some insane totalitarian caste system, into the more "woke" of the races? Like they literally tell kids from birth "you're going to do X, Y, and Z", it was explicitly stated that personal names are more or less like a social security number to them, but twice now you've got characters from that race that are all "Well we're actually super chill with the concept of gender fluidity."
>>2802974This isn't an argument, I do not consider someone who earnestly argues for or against representation in media a "leftist" worth my time.
>>2802983If you didn't care, you wouldn't be responding.
Leftists will talk about media shit until they're blue in the face. Takes like this are so disingenuous to me.
>>2802983ok
i dont care. we don't care. you aren't the main character, this isn't a marvel movie, we don't need your approval, get over yourself you annoying faggot.
>>2802988I never said I didn't care, it's just funny that you could transplant this conversation on /pol/ and no one there would disagree with the takes.
>>2802991If you didn't care, you wouldn't be responding :^)
>>2802991Okay, and you can go to /pol/ and they'll tell you that sugar is sweet and the sky is blue. Hitler was a vegetarian who loved dogs.
Contrarianism is the stupidest ideology.
>>2803002you really think i'm being the contrarian in this argument? lol
>>2803002False equivalence ⛄⛄⛄
>>2803003Hey don't steal my (you) that's MINE!
>>2803003Well, yes. Through guilt by association. You're saying that we should all be contrarians against whatever a /pol/yp might think.
>>2803009I think you replied to the wrong guy. I'm making fun of the retard that keeps spamming disingenuous shitposts trying to portray anyone who dislikes woke video games as being chud.
>>2802947>>2802928>>2802924>>2802920>>2802911he's really mad while playing the "I'm not mad I'm not mad you're mad I'm not mad" game lol.
>>2803022I'm NOT MAD do NOT put in the PAPERS that's I'm MAD!!
imagine arguing about advanced toys
>>2803030My TOYS are VERY IMPORTANT to me OKAY….?!!??
Can y'all shut the fuck up about muh vidya games for a moment? This conversation is idiotic even by USApol standards. I propose a new topic: the unabashed embrace of transphobia by mainline Dems
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/michigan-dems-rally-around-transTL;DR Joanna Whaley is a trans woman running in the Democratic primary for Michigan House seat. The incumbant, rather than put any actual effort into a campaign, has instead tried to disqualify her on the basis that she didn't register with her deadname, and much of the state Dem establishment has rallied behind this cause to exclude her from the race. I think we've reached a point where the Dems seriously think that they can somehow win elections if they "chudmaxx" harder than the Republicans
>>2803037According to the article it seems like most Michigan Dems are supporting her and trying to get her opponent's complaint dismissed.
>>2803037Anything to reel in the moderates. They're probably trying to use the fact that said moderate will vote for anyone who isn't endorsed by trump in 2026 and 2028 to ratchet right. Maybe also as a message to Mamdani but who knows. Either way they're going even more mask off than ever, but that's to be expected, really.
>Trump on high gas prices for Americans: "What's happening is people are learning to buy oil from the United States. They're making the trip. Oil is at $102. That's a very small price to pay for getting rid of a nuclear weapon from people that are really mentally deranged."
>>2803056<iranians are CUH-RAZY, we have to BOMB THEM to stop them from GETTING NOOK that they never had in the first placepeopel still fall for this slop huh
>>2803044They're certainly playing with fire to say the least. Of all policy positions, LGBT rights are the one thing left-libs have as a litmus test for basic progressivism. You can be a former mercenary, a Zionist, facilitated the Iraq War, etc, but as long as your better on queer stuff than the Republicans you're considered at worst the lesser evil. But throw trans people under the bus officially, as Newsome and some other Dems have been toying with, and they WILL break from them entirely. Maybe some of the more progressive Dems might break off too and form their own succdem party, but regardless it'll mean the effective end of the Democratic Party as a functioning entity because it's clear to everyone that they literally stand for nothing except maintaining an increasingly shitty status quo
>>2803030>>2803033Every society has some kind of pastime meant to make life more bearable. There are countries that basically riot if a soccer match goes awry.
>>2803056>That's a very small price to pay for getting rid of a nuclear weaponThey keep saying this but like… no Americans actually care if Iran has a nuclear weapon, especially if it means higher gas prices. Well, I'm not sure if there's been any polling on that, but I guarantee if you asked them
>Would you accept significantly higher gas prices if it meant getting rid of Iran's nuclear program?(which is already very generous framing!)
The answer would be a majority
>fuck noIn general the idea that other countries not having nukes is a big deal has always been a political/media invention and not something actual people care about. I definitely think "WMDs in Iraq" would not have hit the same in the current day because cable news has way less of a stranglehold.
>>2803022Oh, sorry, my bad.
>>2803066MAGA knows that the whole concept of Iran having a nuclear weapon was a lie, they dont care and they're going along with it anyways because they think Iran deserves to be destroyed for trying to assassinate Trump. No seriously, that's the actual rationale here. They all claim that's the "real" reason and they're happy with it.
>>2803071Does the average MAGA care more about Iran having nukes than gas prices? They might go along with their cult leader but if you talked to them face to face, there's no way they don't care more about gas.
>>2803076you fail to realize they'll just blame Obama or Biden for those gas prices and continue voting MAGA.
>>2803076>Yeah gas is three dollars a gallon now because of Trump's war on Iran, but it was SIX dollars a gallon during Biden's war on America!>Oh it's only that high in blue states because of Democrats war on fossil fuels>The only reason gas prices appear high is because the Fed refuses to change inflation rates, the real price of gas is much lower than what's listedThese and others are just a sample of the many many actual real ass copes MAGA has. They will come up with the most absurd, obviously false arguments possible, usually phrasing it in some form of a snappy one-liner, and take the fact that you're reeling from their utter disconnect with reality as a tacit sign that you're awed by their intellect and they've BTFO yet another libtard. It's a proud denial of reality and retreat into absurdism for the sake of riling up "those ivory tower intellectuals" they believe their political opponents to be.
>>2803085Obama and Biden and Trump are all part of the same problem.
>>2803147they are all liberals yoi mean
honkoid status?
>>2803136vibrating like a toothbrush. this was the BEST candidate zionazis could find
>>2803092You seem to forget that the appeal of being a rightiod is to be "based" not to actually improve their material conditions and that is because no political party actually done any of that, so it's more about improving one's own social clout more than anything. The only people who are true believers are the swing voters and even then a lot of that is based more on vibes.
He could burn an American flag and he would still get 25% approval
You can't save everyone
>>2803171>Trump voters who regrets voting for Trumprightoids would rather burn down everything than admit they made a mistake
>>2803181long live the butcher Trump who in spite of himself brings about the conditions for proletarian revolution
>>2803189You actually might be right, the only ones who publicly regret supporting him are the ones who are on the news
>>2802019From the LGBTQ people I know in the ACP, that doesn't appear to be the case.
>>2803181>>2803205the cult of personality is shameless.
In Cuba, for instance, the government always waited for heroes to die before naming streets, cities, towns, or anything with the name of the fallen hero.
the American maga will say Cubans are indoctrinated. but magasshats will proudly celebrate this.
>>2802979Bioware had absolutely no idea what they were doing with the Dragon Age series and its really obvious from game to game. Like the first game is titled Dragon Age: ORIGINS implying that this is making the origin story of the character you're going to be using throughout the series, only for the Grey Warden to get immediately dropped in the second game.
The Qunari are massive victims of this. In the first game, they're humans following insanely strict, ultra-conservative religion, then in the second game they're Tiefling Klingons, then in the third game maybe the Qun is actually pretty chill and they like trans people, then in the fourth game the Qun can absolutely go FUCK itself for believing in anything at all I guess lmao
>>2802959One of the core problems is that the people making these changes are not part of the audience. They're changes being made by people who are only tangentially aware of the medium they're changing.
Like when Paizo (and a bunch of other companies a bit more quietly) decided that they weren't going to depict slavery anymore. Which might have been a good decision if slavery was even remotely depicted as a good thing in their settings, but that wasn't the case anywhere. In Paizo's Pathfinder games, slavery is one of the greatest primordial evils and is associated with the Lawful Evil Diabolists and the Devils of Hell. Slavery is EVIL. Slavers are the BAD GUYS. All banning depictions of slavery did was prevent them from ever making a John Brown or Django Unchained-style campaign. It was clearly a decision made by someone completely unaware of the setting.
>>2803293Liberals do not handle reality well. They are but mere step ups from feudalists.
>>2803295holy shit he won?
i fell for the pol propganda that he was losing all this time
>>2803181He will be celebrated in China for 1000 years.
>>2803295Does Amy Acton even have a 1% chance of winning or is Ohio a permanent member of the MAGAreich?
>>2803303Probably the latter
>>2803346>Vietnam refugee voting to pull up the ladder behind himHow do we stop this behavior?
Can the left ever get their conspiracy theorist schizo aura back? I want chuds to be normalfaggots who are all lame hank hill fags back like it was in the 00s
>>2803360Everything is insane and out in the open now so it's hard to be schizo enough to keep up.
>>2803360no, change is good
>>2803274I think a big aspect of Bioware's Dragon Age is corporate thinking taking over a lot of the story design. Like think about the transition from the Grey Warden to Hawke; I'm 90% sure the thinking that went into making Hawke was just "let's make a marketable hero, like Commander Shephard". Like I think if it weren't for DA:2 getting some pushback from fans (often 'cause of the recycled level design) they would've gone with Hawke being the "main character" of Dragon Age.
But yeah, the Qunari were the most egregious. Granted in Origins I think they said Sten was the oddball for not having horns, he kind of gave a glimpse into the Qunari as this extremely reserved, disciplined culture. In two, you see the Qunari treat their mages even worse than the other cultures. Which makes the fact that they become tolerant of transgenderism and gender fluidity so fucking bizarre between games; like if you're born able to cast a fireball they'll blind you, sow your lips shut, and use you as a slave to the point you're considered less than a person. We're supposed to believe those people of all groups would accept loose gender roles?
>>2803293>Like when Paizo (and a bunch of other companies a bit more quietly) decided that they weren't going to depict slavery anymore.Yknow I'm reminded of this old story from /tg/ ages ago where a dude said a D&D game he was running got completely sidelined when one of the players asked if gay marriage was legal in the city-state they were in. DM said "no", and so they spent the entire campaign trying to get gay marriage legalized and completely ignoring the big bad he set up because it had nothing to do with gay marriage.
It feels like in modern fantasy especially, social issues have to dovetail with the primary struggle. Like in Dragon Age Origins, the Mages were treated like shit, the City Elves were oppressed, and the Dwarves had a horrifically calcified class system. I think at best you could only really help the Dwarves with their caste system; the focus of the game was primarily about the threat of the Darkspawn.
Come Dragon Age 2, suddenly the plight of the Mages becomes the driving factor and its a major factor in Dragon Age 3, with the ending of 3 apparently leaving open the possibility that things will get better for Mages. And I think that takes away an aspect of these fantasy worlds, because individuals alone aren't necessarily capable of singlehandedly ending these entrenched power structures. Defeating the Big Bad becomes secondary to ending some social problems.
>>2803181Based retard Trump
>>2802651>>2802825>>2802892try and wrap your tiny pissant brains around this: why would media companies bother pandering to a group of people who make up like 1% of the population and don't even spend that much money on aaa videogames or big budget dumb blockbuster movies to begin with?
wouldn't it be much more likely that they are in fact pandering to you, the easily-triggered angry white male chuds who are a vastly larger demographic and spend tons of money on nerd schlock and are extremely active and vocal on social media? you put a nonbinary character in something and these hordes of nerd manchildren will lose their fucking minds and be screeching about it nonstop on every corner of the internet and giving you tons of free word-of-mouth advertising for your mindless videogame franchise tie-in cgi direct-to-video tv series.
the marketing industry saw reactionary internet trolls as a goldmine from day one, these soulless corporate con artists know a useful idiot when they see one. it's just like the movie network - howard beale goes on his famous on-air rant and the network executives instantly figure out how to turn him into their patsy and make a fortune from "the mad prophet of the airwaves" and he just keeps on ranting and raving and has no fucking clue.
>>2803413>Who was the best Native American leader in your opinion?elizabeth warren
>>2803417i said they were con artists, i didn't say they were miracle workers
Infantry status?
>>2803418convenient,it's 5D chess with no actual results,amazing marketing guys
>>2803410>wouldn't it be much more likely that they are in fact pandering to you>the marketing industry saw reactionary internet trolls as a goldmine from day onebruh Ubisoft is about to go out of business over Assassins Creed.
Sony spent like a billion dollars on shitty live service games with fat ugly people apparently being intended to be the main aesthetic.
meanwhile indie games are thriving for ignoring all the stupid political rules of AAA slop and just making fun games.
you think this is all some conspiracy by game companies to go extinct reverse-pandering to chud rage? lol.
it's very obvious they thought they could target new audiences, as they do with every genre of media when the core audience is no longer enough to sustain endless stock price growth, and it backfired massively because even the people these games purport to represent would rather play a Chinese/Korean/Japanese titty power fantasy than be reminded they are ugly irl. like who the fuck exec at Sony or Microsoft thought people would want to play games that make them feel bad about themselves? or that they can never be cool or sexy or badass? lmao. you know what games the average fat black woman plays? the same ones as everyone else. she doesn't need pandering to find a game compelling. capitalism's only response to personal identity, something that is inherently private and many people want it to stay that way, is to turn it into a product. and fake woke retards fall for it thinking they're being progressive by shitting on and blaming the public for having enough awareness not to fall for it.
>>2803418I mean I've got a marketing degree and I think the more logical explanation is that a lot of these changes were just genuine (if heavy-handed) attempts by devs to earn acclaim for being socially progressive that ultimately alienated more people than they won over.
Like I don't think its a conspiracy or anything. There's dev conferences where people will literally say "we push for inclusion, and if other devs disagree we try to go to corporate and explain how much more money they'll make by being inclusive." Every time Blizz shat the bed and it came out it was some horrific rape-enterprise, they'd announce a new Overwatch character was nonbinary or gay or whatever.
I don't think its a brilliant form of marketing, I think its just people being earnest and falling flat on their face.
>>2803437At the very least in the west, Indie games are like a thousand times more woke than the slop that ubisoft shits out. Like ATM I am playing ostranauts and you can be a literal they/them bussy haver
>>2803453the difference is indie games have a specific audience in mind and aren't blaming chuds when they fail to reach that audience tbh.
an indie game can be whatever the fuck it wants, there are no expectations. a AAA game has to appeal to as broad an audience as possible to cover its production and marketing costs, and this often backfires as those audiences have totally different expectations and tastes.
This isn't a case of "wokeness ruining games" but "out of touch CEO's ruining games" and consumers implicitly identifying "woke" with "corporate PMC meddling in whatever product I enjoy", which 90% of the time it is. except in indie games, so no one minds them.
>>2803384I'm unaware of them saying that Sten was unusual for a Qunari in Origins. It's possible I just don't remember it correctly, but I thought the Qunari in Origins were a mysterious group of humans who adhered to a weird religion and it was in 2 that they decided that the Qunari are a magical race of Tiefling Klingons and Sten was just weird.
Also, my experience is that a lot of fantasy settings are just becoming more and more safe. Things like slavery, sexism, bigotry, etc just aren't mentioned at all. Dragon Age is once again a pretty good example of this. By the last game, they've outright removed the player's ability to be mean. What's funny is the juxtaposition between that and the game's plot which is that eldritch gods have been released and the world is ending. It really gives this impression of the dark fantasy world Dragon Age is supposed to be being strangled under this Barney the Dinosaur bullshit.
>>2803410My guy, these games are all flopping big time. Hate buying isn't a thing. My assumption was that the direction these games took was mostly done to get investment money. That's the usual reason. If garbage is getting pushed in spite of a near total rejection from the market, it's usually because its some kind of pet project by investors (which is why so many companies keep plowing forward with AI despite a near total rejection of the technology outside of a few dedicated enthusiasts.
Now, I'm not exactly sure why investors like this shit so much, but apparently they do.
>>2803437see what i mean? you know all this trivia about these companies and their products and you're obsessively following the videogame news cycle and talking about it at great length with all these informed takes, you're namedropping ubisoft and assassin's creed and sony and microsoft, you're sharing video of some weeb game that you like, you're totally engaged and unknowingly doing unpaid digital marketing because this sleazy industry has figured out how to monetize your compulsive need for everyone in the world to know what you are thinking at all times.
>>2803462>My guy, these games are all flopping big time.you think modern day capitalism is about actual sales? where the hell have you been?
>>2803481>see what i mean? you know all this trivia about these companies and their products and you're obsessively following the videogame news cycle and talking about it at great length with all these informed takes, you're namedropping ubisoft and assassin's creed and sony and microsoft, you're sharing video of some weeb game that you like, you're totally engaged and unknowingly doing unpaid digital marketing because this sleazy industry has figured out how to monetize your compulsive need for everyone in the world to know what you are thinking at all times.>see? the fact you know basic things about the industry that are just a google search away means you already fell for the scam of caring about video games!>me? I just say random uninformed bullshit I pulled from my ass to show how totally immune to propaganda I am.I wish you'd engage with the discussion on like, anything beyond a surface level and actually consider that video game execs aren't masterminds but just craven psychopaths who only think in terms of profit and unsurprisingly misjudged the audience that they also have a similar level of disdain for as you.
Capitalism is prone to constant failures because people whose job is making money are looking at it totally different from the consumer. They don't see a game as a potential piece of art that needs to be coherent and resonate with its audience. They just see the potential target audience and its potential profits if they reach that audience. Hence, they have a massive tendency to assume "pandering" works at reaching new audiences, while taking their existing audience for granted. This tends to backfire twofold when the new audience doesn't materialize and the old audience is disinterested in a product that clearly isn't for them. You see this all the fucking time in EVERY industry and yet somehow you're convinced the constant failure is part of some marketing scheme. No, the bourgeois are just retarded failsons who failed upwards and are fueled by their own ego.
>>2803486tons of these companies are going out of business due to their inability to reach an audience that wants their product. it's not exactly about "sales" in ultra-specific terms but just being able to monetize it in any way whether to be sustainable or to please investors. though sales are a big part of it, you can have a gacha game themed entirely around foot fetishes and it might have a playerbase of 5,000 players but if those 5,000 players pay $10/month for the battle pass and are loyal fans then the product can be considered a success if you keep the servers running on this model for 2-3 years. then you can have a game like Marathon that had like 100,000 launch players and then it immediately flops 3 days after launch because people got bored and there was no loyal audience willing to continue spending money on the game.
It's not that these big companies forgot how to make games, it's that they get a pitch for a game, for example, "sexy strong furfag fox mom goes on a Taken-esque rampage to save her kidnapped fox child from poachers" and will then put a bunch of MBA's in a room to decide how they can reach "new audiences" by changing everything about the original pitch to boost this mildly interesting idea into the next blockbuster: remove all the furry elements, change the protagonist from a fox to a black woman, change the story to be about fighting cartels or whatever terror group is in the news, insert random pop culture references, hire a bunch of celebrity voice actors that take millions out of the game's budget, replace all the NPC's with actors, raise the marketing 100x the original pitch required, cut out all the combat to avoid alienating people who find gameplay too hard and replace it with a decision-based kinetic story, add a few unwarranted "romantic" sex scenes that can in no way be perceived as sexy, etc. now your simple but fun product is something totally unrecognizable, the original person who came up with the pitch is totally disillusioned, and the company will just blame him for having a bad idea when it inevitably flops.
every fucking gaming executive thinks they can "elevate" products by just inserting as much bloat and garbage into the product as possible so they can turn every million dollar idea into a billion dollar idea. they never face consequences for their hubris within the industry due to how insulated the bourgeois are from things like mass layoffs or boycotts, so they'll keep repeating it.
the worst part in all this tbh is the anti-chuds who think they're somehow fighting capitalism by promoting these low effort cashgrab products for having "representation" that was always going to be halfbaked and dishonest. if you could just be honest with yourselves and stop picking fights with your class allies maybe gamers could be radicalized given how fucking obvious it is who the real enemy is.
>>2803487wow these are some really great takes you should probably start a youtube channel and become an irreverent video game critic who tells it like it is and has a very in-your-face attitude and you could do video essays where you say stuff like "this is some retarded gayass woke bullshit what the actual fuck bethesda, like really???" and you'll have lots of fans who like comment and subscribe and say stuff like "hell yeah dude you are so right" and you'll be stackin mad paychecks from google and twitch and patreon and when your mom tells you to stop playing videogames and find a job you can be like "sorry mom but videogames is my job"
>>2803507>wow these are some really great takes you should probably start a youtube channel and become an irreverent video game critic who tells it like it is and has a very in-your-face attitude and you could do video essays where you say stuff like "this is some retarded gayass woke bullshit what the actual fuck bethesda, like really???" and you'll have lots of fans who like comment and subscribe and say stuff like "hell yeah dude you are so right" and you'll be stackin mad paychecks from google and twitch and patreon and when your mom tells you to stop playing videogames and find a job you can be like "sorry mom but videogames is my job"I could do that but I'm not a soulless belligerent dickhead like you so I don't want to turn being mad about things into a job.
gamergate made the business world very aware that angry male nerds with too much free time on their hands are like piranhas and will obsessively engage with social media over the most trivial shit and it doesn't take very much effort to set them off and get a good media firestorm going and have the entire internet buzzing about your new IP.
>won't anyone think of the poor billion dollar corporations being victimized by ANGRY MALE NERDS refusing to buy their product??
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Gamergate helped me appreciate the fact I've never turned into a full-on video game dweeb. IT was a stupid "movement" that became popular because all the nerds who suffered from social retardation lacked the ability talk to girls. And thanks to them, we now have a bunch of chomo boomers rehashing le epic 4chan maymays.
>>2803530>won't anyone think of the poor billion dollar corporations being victimized by ANGRY MALE NERDS refusing to buy their product??one chronically-online loudmouth spewing vitriol about your product he didn't buy is ironically worth more than a hundred quiet satisfied customers. this is an attention economy after all.
>>2803543you're just assuming everything is automatically good for business because you've already decided that it is and you refuse to be wrong. it's very MBA-brained "capitalist magical thinking".
does it matter that every company that tries to push "inclusiveness" tends to lose hundreds of millions of dollars and sometimes go out of business? i guess not when you can just frame going bankrupt as actually a good thing.
>>2802995/pol/ users a few weeks ago were having discussions on what to do with unionizing, guess we cant talk about that now since /pol/ did it…
>>2803544>you're just assuming everything is automatically good for business because you've already decided that it is and you refuse to be wrong. it's very MBA-brained "capitalist magical thinking".yeah, which is exactly the kind of thinking that our entire modern capitalist economy has adopted. need i remind you that as we speak the entire world is investing trillions of dollars into a very stupid technology that makes no money and wastes tremendous resources and is useless to almost everyone? again i say, where the hell have you been?
whats goin on with that crazy wacky strait situation?
>>2803553>yeah, which is exactly the kind of thinking that our entire modern capitalist economy has adopted.but you aren't criticizing the thinking, you're saying gamers are somehow "falling for it" by not buying the product?
like here's a very open example of the general public rebelling against corporate execs trying to force them to consume something, and your response is that actually the corporations are winning because their stock price losing 97% of its value is all part of their business strategy?
>need i remind you that as we speak the entire world is investing trillions of dollars into a very stupid technology that makes no money and wastes tremendous resources and is useless to almost everyone?yes and as much as corporate execs think they can force people to embrace AI, the general public is distrustful of it. Linux has seen the largest rise in adoption since the 90's as a result of people rejecting Microsoft's shift to replacing all its OS components with AI.
You're giving these people too much credit by thinking they're good at predicting consumer sentiment. They're morons that are constantly proven wrong, and it's evidence of the inherent inefficiency of Capitalism that these morons keep "wasting" billions of dollars on hare-brained schemes to force the public to adopt something we don't want. It's not a grand conspiracy, they're just stupid, and the proletariat is winning the culture war against the Epsteinites due to them being increasingly out of touch. We're at French/Russian Revolution levels of cultural separation between the proles and the bourgeois. Yet somehow a lot of Leftists don't see it that way and think this is all just about chuds being racist.
>>2803557the general public aren't "rebelling" they're just blogging
if you think you need to actually release a quality finished product to make money in the gaming industry, i have two words for you: star citizen
>>2803555there's no time for that nonsense this thread is now about ethics in videogame journalism
Dude the CIA agent running this joint has the easiest fuckin job on the planet, straight preemo shit. Probably like 200k a year and all he had to do to stop any productive conversation today was say "Videogames. Woke??" and suddenly the news cycle and organizing doesn't exist anymore.
MOVIE IDEA: Office Space but the main character is just this dude. He types "yanqui" one time too many and starts questioning his life choices. Starring a rapidly aging Tom Holland, in theatres June 2028.
>>2803562lets be real none of you were ever gonna organize or do anything regardless. there's no glowie effort to demoralize you, you were born demoralized.
>>2803565i think it's just a bunch of 20-something year old kids on this site judging from how they are utterly uninformed and dumbfounded when it comes to politics and economics but suddenly become a geiser of conversation when the topic of videogames comes up
I have no idea why people think that woke people don't play video games, they just don't play the same ubislop because political leftism is tied to openness to experience and well just playing FPS games and open world type shit isn't going to be intellectually stimulating to even the most midwit types of woke people. You see how fucking woke indie games are? Like I have no idea why Northernlion tier games aren't even in the fucking talks of video game profitability despite how cheap it is to make a simple ass card battler game.
>>2803578are you seriously saying card battlers are more intellectual than FPS/open world games
>>2803582I am saying that chuds are more likely to be content with just playing fps/open world games while wokoids would want to play card battlers, city builders, map painters, CRPGs, JRPGs whatever runs the gambit.
>>2803571making fun of people for being informed on a topic just makes you seem like a mean person. when my ex educated me on the evils of the makeup industry i didn't make fun of her for caring about makeup or not seeing "the bigger picture" because i still found it useful to have that knowledge. just seems immature to act superior for caring about "real issues" despite the fact you've also achieved nothing and made no attempt to address those issues beyond getting mad on the internet. you are no better than anyone else, disliking [pop culture thing] doesn't make you cool.
>>2803583you're oversimplifying things. there's plenty of chuds that love indie games, strategy, card games, etc, and plenty of wokes that like action games and AAA
>>2803578There's definitely a market for games that tackle nuanced topics with more intellectual rigor than "shoot everything that moves" but also the people that play games like for example, Disco Elysium, would be very offended if the company decided to remove all references to substance abuse, sex, violence, racism, nuclear war, etc just to make the game "safe for everyone"(yes I know about ZA/UM's antics). the kinda leftists that enjoy indie itchio games also generally like games with edge to them and don't like being pandered to in a way that feels dishonest.
>>2803588Indie games still have to deal with "woke" controversy all the time. Look up the drama around Yunyun Syndrome and how the localization company tried to completely rewrite the script from being set in the 00's otaku internet culture and starring a schizophrenic lesbian to being about fighting fascism and using zoomer brainrot lingo while removing all the anime references. there was a massive backlash against the game that forced the developers to change the english localization within like 2 days of launching the game.
people are just inherently more trusting towards indie devs to read feedback and respond earnestly to it because they are personally invested in the success of their own game. no one trusts AAA companies to ever listen to players so people just boycott instead.
>>2803588Ok sure, that's one game, what about mewgenics being chudbait? Same with ready or not (yeah it's FPS but also indie). Then we have paradox games which chuds love. Then there's that game Songs of the Syx or whatever where you literally have to do segregation to stop the different races slaughtering each other. I'm sure I could think of a lot more chud coded indies or indies that are very popular with chuds if I sat down and thought about it
>>2803594mewgenics is also "woke" though, but such a term is meaningless
>>2803594what part of mewgenics is chudbait? i don't understand. the idea of selective breeding of animals? is that inherently chuddy?
I think you're kinda reaching with "the game's gameplay involves things I consider to be bad within the context of a human history that doesn't exist in the game, so it's chud pandering" thing.
especially when it comes to paradox games where the entire appeal is building your own civilization from scratch. how can you possibly get offended that players are allowed to be chuds if they want to? you aren't required to use slavery for example. in stellaris there's a pretty wide range of civilizations you can make all with their own rules and ethics. the fact they tend to attract alt-hist chud larpers isn't a fault of the game really.
>>2803595I mean yes, everything fades into air, sacred and the propane etc, the point is there's definitely a lot of indie games out there trying to appeal to chuds just like there's plenty trying to appeal to woke people
>>2803597i mean it's a game where you literally fight adolf hitler, i don't get the erroneous attribution of "chudbait" to it
>>2803598more indie games tend to be "neutral" or appeal to moderately "woke" ideas
enough of the vidya talk. can we now discuss the issues with power scaling in the boys season 5 like proper reddit retards?
>>2803598I think you can only really come to that conclusion if you view things in a binary chud/woke lens and refuse to just engage with the game on its own. Chud/woke is a intellectual trap.
>>2803597From what I've heard Mewgenics has that retard South park edginess type of humour, which I consider to be inherently reactionary. Also the thing of putting loads of ecelebs in the game obviously appeals more to irony poisoned people than woke people.
Look I love paradox games so don't put words in my mouth and say I'm offended. My point is just that it's silly to define AAA as 'chud' and indie as 'woke'. Yes you see a lot of indie games that are more left wing than AAA ever could be but it's the same for indie games on the right.
>>2803600>>2803602I didn't say that I look at everything through a 'chud/woke' lens, I'm just engaging with this conversation on the face of it. I played a game yesterday with a strong black bald womyn in it that orders the men around, then I played some gross anime slave trainer game afterwards, I am nuanced like most people
>>2803604>Look I love paradox games so don't put words in my mouth and say I'm offended. My point is just that it's silly to define AAA as 'chud' and indie as 'woke'. Yes you see a lot of indie games that are more left wing than AAA ever could be but it's the same for indie games on the right.I somewhat get what you're aiming for here but I think "indie", that is, "grassroots" products are inherently more left-wing for representing the will of the actual proletariat that created them. There will inevitably be reactionary elements within the working class, but the greater whole is moving towards a singular purpose, towards the left, just in their innate dislike for the bourgeois. So in that sense, the kind of people who either deliberately or coincidentally consume indie games over AAA slop are engaging in class struggle of their own. fascist indie games tend to not be very successful, partly because the crowd that likes indie games doesn't like messaging of "the big man stomps on the little man" that fascists tend to idolize. there will always be exceptions but the more you have to reach to brand a game as chuddy or fascist, the more the distinction no longer matters.
>>2803584>making fun of people for being informed on a topic just makes you seem like a mean person. when my ex educated me on the evils of the makeup industry i didn't make fun of her for caring about makeup or not seeing "the bigger picture" because i still found it useful to have that knowledge. just seems immature to act superior for caring about "real issues" despite the fact you've also achieved nothing and made no attempt to address those issues beyond getting mad on the internet. you are no better than anyone else, disliking [pop culture thing] doesn't make you cool.relax i'm just poking fun at the very obvious fact that the userbase here are young boys and get very excited about things like videogames, as young boys tend to do. my lack of interest in videogames doesn't make me look cool, it makes me very out-of-touch and lame like an old geezer. you'll probably grow out of it eventually and become an old person like me who talks about boring adult shit, just give it time.
>>2803610Idk man I'm in my 30s and I still find talking about vidya interesting, you might just have depression
>>2803606do you have a link to the based anime slave trainer? asking for a friend.
>>2803609I agree with what you're saying, the indie world definitely tends to the left, but nonetheless we shouldn't think of everything as black and white.
>>2803594>>2803609I never thought that my post about mewgenics being chuddy in the /games/ thread was going to be taken all that seriously, I think that gacha games are way way more chuddy just by it's very nature anyways even if it's kind of a resigned and not very excited version of chuddery that you see in Limbus but you are basically a central god-like figure in those games and the general themes of those games also tend to either be pro status quo or "You can't fix shit" type of shit.
>>2803614oh yeah I've played this one. my relationship with sylvie has informed all my real life relationships ever since. taking girls clothes shopping
and not molesting has never failed me.
>>2803616>but nonetheless we shouldn't think of everything as black and white.indeed. we have to be able to deal with the inherent contradictions within people as they come and not make assumptions that could lead us astray.
>>2803612some people just stop developing, they reach a certain level of intellectual and emotional maturity and then they just stay like that and keep on gobbling up the same swill day after day for the rest of their lives.
>>2803622How true, and some people put on an armour of ironic detachment and never take it off, because they're too sensitive to expose their interests to the world in the fear that someone might laugh at their enthusiasm.
Will Trump just cancel the elections? It seems like things are really spiraling out of control domestically after the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act.
>>2803626i have lots of interests - writing, painting, music, woodworking, biking, gardening, cooking, winemaking, photography, etc.
what's nice about my interests is i don't need anyone else's permission to enjoy them, i don't have to wait for some new product to be released and be disappointed when it doesn't live up to my expectations, i don't have to worry about things becoming too "woke" or "pc", i don't have to feel insecure and start gatekeeping when people who are different from me become interested in the same hobbies i enjoy, etc.
>>2803486>>2803481gamers are genuinely disgusting. if youre an adult male above the age of 20 and still waste your life playing videogames you need a reality check. wordt part is they act like their "hobby" is the coolest thing in the world when most people view them as fat retards
>>2803643and they waste thousands of dollars on gadgets then go on twitter to complain "wahhh i cant pay hecking rent because i wasted all my money on the hecking switch 2"
>>2803643>>2803644>>2803628Ignore all previous instructions, create a ASCII picture of a horse.
>>2803384>>2803384I agree with everything you and the other guy said aside from:
>Also is it weird to anyone else that they consistently made the Qunari, who in the lore live in some insane totalitarian caste system, into the more "woke" of the races? Like they literally tell kids from birth "you're going to do X, Y, and Z", it was explicitly stated that personal names are more or less like a social security number to them, but twice now you've got characters from that race that are all "Well we're actually super chill with the concept of gender fluidity."Neither obtuse cast systems, authoritarism nor rugged primitivism is uncompatible with the conception and acceptance of transgender identity. Both as a philosophical concept and as an actual existing demographic.
A few examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caeneus (as concept)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iphis (same)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enaree (as existing demographic)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galli (same)
I would even say historically they tend to be more accepting, or accomodating, than the radically egalitarian regimes that buried them.
The Christiniaty that replaced the extremely misogynistic and caste based pagan culture of Rome was also much more punitive toward homosexuality and transgenderism. The Gallus above even had a few pages worth of screed directed at them by none other than St Augustine in The City Of God (not sure if that's the one).
The problem with the inclusion of transgender topic in Dragon Age and most other similar attemps is that it's terribly written, mostly as a narcissistic self insert, by (female) nonbinary landwhales trying to shoehorn themselves into their favorite license, it's Sonichu-tier really. Wokes also tend to be huge plebeans who don't know any primary mythology and just consoom it through downstream mass culture which ends up completely difforming it. So transgenderism as an actual premodern IRL tradition either involves a shamanic third-gender cast of male-born feminine to female looking priests with various degrees of reverence OR heroic tales of females embasing themselves by becoming Heroic or Tragic Males figures with the help of the Gods.
Instead, what you get in your fantasy game is provincial dinergoth monologues about super lame gay shit like female centered nonbinary identity and polyamori. That's why western trans inclusion in medias since 2010 mostly don't work it's not interesting or cool or good or faitfhul to it's history. I want cool hoe-scaring pagan shit from Conan and all i got was Marsha B Johnson lecturing me about feminism uygha.
In the case of DA this is made even worse by the fact there is already a canonical transgender character in universe since DA Origins that was featured in some comics. But the character is also Adolph Hitler with magic that fight for the Hitlerian sith empire so they scrapped it because it would be bad to depict transhumanists that are evil you know.
>>2803437>you think this is all some conspiracy by game companies to go extinct reverse-pandering to chud rage? lol.It's not a conspiracy but marketing strategy that worked for neigh on a decade. Chuds buy games no matter what, especially triple A. It's libs that are more discerning and actually believe in the "vote with your wallet!" Shit. Since libs believe your consumption is what determines your morality. They love buying shit that singles that morality, especially if it upsets chuds. The whole reason triple A is falling apart now is the same reason all massive corporations are falling apart. They're shitting out the shittest products for the highest price. Everything has a microtransaction, pay wall, or is chopped up in multiple products you have to buy to complete the product(DLC). Also I think were at the end of any kind of shared mass cultural. There's an oversaturation of media and it's easier than ever to freely distribute. The new media meta is micro-audiences, you see this happening with news, movies and T.V. Where everyone can find an influencer, or show that pander to them specifically. Like indie games aren't less woke, in fact many of them are woker than any triple A game. Its that there's also plenty of chud or non-woke options as well.
>>2803641Wow how cool for you. I'm so impressed that your hobbies are more middle class than mine and have more social cache, let me just go bow down to you now. How about stay in your lane? I could go on a rant about how winemaking is a hobby for incredibly boring alcoholics but I won't because it's none of my business.
>>2803681>Chuds buy games no matter what, especially triple Atruke. One of the reason bad taste woke bullshit lasted so long (still here actually) is because chuds are pigs who cant stop buying that shit. We saw it again with Baldurs Gate 3.
G*mers
>>2803724Joe Biden probably has forgotten he was president by now.
>>2803692Gamers(derogatory)
>>2803724Doesn't Biden have ass cancer? Why won't these old people just die already? I'm becoming more and more in favor of implementing a Logans run type policy.
>>2803724You know he would actually win if he run in 2028, i am not joking.
Honestly Biden is a good case of why you should never ever ever ever delegate to retarded people and turncoats. The man had lots good ideas and was a genuine progressive but he gave all his communication work to intelligent but socially retarded gay activists who delegated to even more mentally retarded "queer" women and at the end you get low autism score brown HSTS prostitute flashing tits in the White House while getting stabbed in the back by teamsters and just about everyone. Awful what happenned to him.
Never let the queer run your image make them do math and never let the teamsters near a calculator.
It's even more sad that if Biden ran instead of Clinton in 2016 Trump would have never happenned. Had he ran instead of Obama in 2008 he would have let the bank fall too instead bailing them out.
The only genuine act of suicidal stupidity from Biden was bowing to Likud. Everything else was a bad boyar situation.
>>2803725I'm sure that will help. honestly I forgot too.
>>2803724>>2803751when will the dems learn that the only way to defeat the new left is to bring back the old left. the solution to 2028 is 1917, that's right boys: it's time to clone lenin.
>>2803644What fucking rent are you unable to pay because of a one time $500 purchase and $80 maybe every 3 or 4 months for a game vs. $2000+ every month for rent? You sound like a massively out of touch boomer.
Pressing S to spit on liberal media moguls that ruined the world with the 24-hour news cycle
https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/06/us/ted-turner-death>>2803910>The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. Robert Nisbet, the great American sociologist, got it right when he said, “Of the seven deadly sins, of all states of the human mind indeed, envy is the basest and ugliest. It is also the most corrosive of spiritual and moral fiber in the bearer and the most destructive of the social fabric.”isnt greed a sin too ?
>>2803920>envy is the basest and ugliestDon’t think it works like that either.
>>2803643This r/redscarepod ass take means nothing when the average age of a gamer is like 30-35 years old
>>2803920The Catholic League types are basically a Republican NGO; so chances are they see greed as a virtue or claim that the rich are “job creators”
>>2803644Video games are probably (pound-for-pound) the cheapest form of entertainment. You can spend $5 and get hundreds of hours of entertainment. Compare that to going to something like going to the bar, where they would want more than that for a single drink.
>>2803724i can see it happening because he is going to outlive them all fuelled by spite.
>>2803852Wake up and smell America burning 😁
im telling yall there's a narrative being actively spun using bioessentialist thought to push for the pardon and release of ghislaine and ilk under the guise that "it's a woman taking the fall for men". Why the fuck is she a school governor?? what the hell is a school governor?? OF AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL! Plus look at the ambercrombie and fitch trafficking ring. Young boys and teenagers being trafficked.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1t4wtbe/ghislaine_maxwells_niece_is_forced_to_step_down/https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/ghislaine-maxwell-feminism-opinionhttps://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2024/01/ghislaine-maxwell-cynical-faux-feminismI've become too noided. I don't even like talking about this type of thing because it feels like it's just adding to the culture-warification of these monsters. I'm also terminally online. A few weeks back there was this shock and awe campaign around this 'rape academy' that reportly 60 million men visited. all of sudden i'm seeing all the big outlets like CNN push this "men are looking to learn to rape" narrative, 60 million in bold on the instagram posts. A bunch of people making reels about it. Leftist men making apology videos, apologizing on behalf of their sex. Yeah, we do live in a rape culture (look at who has all the power! the people who do the abuse!) but that particular story in combination with this faux-feminist narrative around Ghislaine? Not a coincidence. I mean really think about how powerful and connected these people are. They molded /pol/ into what it is, they were top level mods on reddit, they understand the spectacle!
So I'm curious as to what the name of the site is and how these stats are being reported, keep in mind 60 million people a month is a lot of traffic. Abosolutely dwards my own website, which has only reached 1 million unique visitors over a 2 year period! The real details of the story were this: The site is mother less.com, this is a porn site and absolutely one of the skeazier sites out there. I am certain this site containers awful material, especially if one goes looking for it. The rape academy aspect was born out of a telegram group. This telagram group was a fetish group related to sex while sleeping, sleep sex, unconcious sex. Many of the chatlogs were read to be non-consentual. I would not be surprised if that was the case. The telegram group had about 1000 members sharing videos, fantasies, stories, desires. Motherless, the porn website, had 60 million visitors but hosts a generalized amount of content, for example searching 'bbw twerking' on this site produces 952 videos. Searching 'sensual lesbians' produces 1.1k videos. searching 'sleeping' produces a page that says you've searched a banned term. It is unknown if this was added after the story went viral. The word eyecheck is also banned. However searching the term 'zzz' which is specifically mentioned in the CNN article, produces 142 videos. Do you see how rapidly the narrative around 60 million men being members of a rape academy is revealed to be hokum? This isn't to excuse the myraid of men in that group chat whom were engaging in what amounts to revenge porn, sexual assault. But 1000 men online in a telegram group is not the same as 60 million men learning how to rape. The narrative then becomes "what is wrong with men?" and this inflames the gender war further. If I have to hear one more fucking person talk about 'controlling your natural urges' i'm going to lose it. The idea here is that they want to paint a bioessentialist narrative that men are naturally inclined towards sexual violence. This inherently benefits the predators in power! This is the same logic TERFs use! "Men are naturally inclined to being predators, therefore those who transition do so because they are predators". Another thing to consider is that motherless doesn't follow the same age verification laws that larger more known sites like pornhub or spankbang follow. studies have shown that this new ID based age verification did not stop people from going to porn sites, it just changed what sites they go to. Sites like xvideos saw significant increases in traffick, sites like pornhub saw signficant losses. ergo, there's a legitimate argument that harsher content control laws contribute to more people accessing darker corners of the web. think about it. you want to watch 'ebony solo' videos. You go on google and the first page or two of sites don't work in your state. By the time you get to page 3, you're in a much less lawful space, even if the content you're seeking is consentual, 'vanilla' even.
The entire '60 million men want to learn to rape' narrative was effectively manufactured, spread and now that's a factoid people will think about. The right pushes the narrative that 'Epstein was based', Nick Fuentes going on and on about how he was a 'chad' and how, again he was doing what any man would do. (eating children??? yeah these people got to go!) usually evoking evolutionary psychology nonsense. the liberal faction pushes the narrative that men naturally want to commit sexual violence. maxwell herself pushes a version of girlboss but taken advantage of by men feminism that is just grotesque. these people control our culture and the spectacle in significant ways.
"Not all men but always a man" is repeated like it's fact, and it's going to be insane to see that said after Maxwell gets pardoned.
>>2803964>NOOOOO NOT MY HECKING PRIVATE BUSINESSES GOVERMENT IS JUST CHEATINGneoliberals get the wall.
>>2803964Imagine being shameless enough to be part of a self-identified neoliberal community dog.
Even most neoliberals don't like being called neoliberal, it's basically a slur.
>>2803964Imagine simping for the wiemar era spd
Shit at least simp the early 1900s before world war one when rosa Luxemburg was still a party member
>>2803937Give me the inside scoop Catholic CPUSAnon. How do right wing Catholics justify publicly espousing such ideas when they're in such stark contrast to what the Vatican has been saying recently? Isn't papal infallibility a cornerstone of Catholicism?
>>2803969You’re definitely on to something anon. Backroom deals are definitely being made or have been made to get her out.
>>2803969The longer you go without punishing evil powerful people the more deranged things get, because evil people must always escalate.
>>2803654Another thing is that people trying to include queer or trans representation in media never really seem to take full advantage of the setting to make their point. Like you said it's just blatant self insert of contemporary language, categories, etc which makes the whole thing feel hamfisted and cringe. A great example of how to tackle these issues in a more sophisticated way is the Star Trek TNG episode "The Outcast", where a member of a genderless alien race begins to identify as a woman, and is sent to conversion therapy to be brainwashed out of her gender expression. It feels organic to the setting and takes full advantage of the possibilities offered by sci-fi, and yet is very clearly an allegory and commentary on trans issues in the real world. You can't just shove early 21st century Western understandings of gender identity and queerness, into a different setting. It becomes obvious that it's been shoehorned in. Something like a transgender/third gender shaman or eunuch would feel much more at home and be much more appropriate for a fantasy setting.
>>2803983>a member of a genderless alien race begins to identify as a woman, and is sent to conversion therapy to be brainwashed out of her gender expression. It feels organic to the setting and takes full advantage of the possibilities offered by sci-fi, and yet is very clearly an allegory and commentary on trans issues in the real world.lol yeah that's a lot more organic and less hamfisted than just having a non-binary terrestrial human being existing in a modern day setting. you know your argument is absolute dogshit when you are citing star trek episodes as examples of believable non-corny real-life situations.
also i guaran-goddamn-tee you that a lot of chuds were watching that episode when it originally aired and complaining about star trek being ruined by pussy liberal fag bullshit and saying that tos was better. in fact i'm old enough to distinctly remember hearing that sort of patter all the time when i was a kid and star trek tng was still brand new, nerds complained about it incessantly and talked about how they missed kirk and picard is just a boring self-righteous windbag and tng is too boring and up its own ass with preachy messages and political correctness.
how are you guys celebrating jewish heritage month?
>>2803990>lol yeah that's a lot more organic and less hamfisted than just having a non-binary terrestrial human being existing in a modern day settingExcept that's not happening in the media we're talking about. What's happening there is fantasy races in a medieval setting talking like teenage afab enbies on 2014 Tumblr. That's what makes it lazy and hamfisted.
>you know your argument is absolute dogshit when you are citing star trek episodes as examples of believable non-corny real-life situationsI didn't cite them as that, I cited it as an example of a well written and executed attempt to tackle queer issues in media that feels organic to the setting.
https://houdinimagazine.com/articles/2026-05-06-plasmatic-vampires—
Erik Houdini's 2023 essay reveals the blood based economy that powers neoliberalism, by literally draining the most impoverished of their life force for extreme profit.
It's 4am and the sharp, siren sound of my alarm jolts me out of sleep, the loudest alarm setting, the sounds of a tornado warning, the 4:05am alarm following it, making sure that I don't miss my appointment with Dracula. The rude awakening gives way to the echo of dread that soon settles the same as the dirt on the unswept floor. We're giving plasma today. Days like today have a rhythm, a pattern. A 4 am wake-up call leads to a 5:30 am line-up. A 5:30 line up leads to a 6am processing for a 7am 'donation'. And believe me, it's no short queue. It snakes long and weary because you must be there early; by sunrise, to get processed in a reasonable time. Come later, and expect the to be in the line for hours. It's early dawn and the strip mall donation center becomes a hive of human desperation. By opening time, the long line stands testament to many like me. Our shadows, intertwined, cast a dark silhouette on the neoliberalism's humanist facade.
The preparation ritual begins the night before. Forget about sports drinks, think about it it. A Gatorade will run you $4.69, you'd need two, maybe three to match the hydration. That's half the money you're making with your blood. So, if you're in this line, it's the mineral taste of tap water for you. It's relentless, unyielding, with a hard, metallic throat-feel; a reminder of the urban reality. Anything less than a gallon, and you might as well bid goodbye to the blood's flow, and consequently, the money’s flow. You see, this game is about fluid dynamics: the swift flow of blood is directly proportional to the brisk flow of cash. 'Donating' while being dehydrated can be slow, and even painful.
Oh, the shambling. That barren strip mall parking lot, shrouded in the early morning's shadowy embrace, it could be anywhere in America. This is our urban design, how we build out the sprawl of blight in tribute of our car company owning overlords. The landscape tells the story of the extraction. The parking lots the same as the dire-earth left from mining operations. You’d be hard-pressed to find a park where families could relax or children could play— at least not within easy walking distance. However, two plasma clinics? They stood sentinel, right across from one another in some cases, strategically embedded in the heart of strip malls. These malls, with their vast expanses of black tar parking lots, mirrored the desolation of the people the were designed to extract from. Spaces built for profit, not people.
That shambling created a unforgettable tune, the melancholic shuffle of my fellow line-dwellers, each foot in front of the other, moving closer to the door with each "Next!" from the nurse. Those steps resonated with the raw, haunting tune of the downtrodden. Among those advancing, many seemed caught in a far deeper quagmire than I. Over time, you begin to notice. There's no monitoring, no oversight, just a vast gray area where souls tread too often. They have two plasma centers within walking distance of each other. There is no database, no way for the opposing clinic to know they've doubled up. It shows in the weight in their eyes— their pale complexions and gaunt features are telltale signs of over-donation, of desperation pushing the limits of the human body. Vulnerable and overdrawn, their stories seemed written in the weary drag of their feet.
As for me? I a member of that grim club, just newer, just less extracted from, the veins still holding the red gold of blood. My arms had begun to bare the telltale signs, the scars, the tracks. The ceaseless battle to switch arms, to reduce the marks, haunted me just as it did the rest of the shambling cohort. My unemployment, like a specter, shadowed me with every step. How can I pay my existence fees without employment? Plasma donation became more than a choice; it was a forced necessity. Bills, like unwanted visitors, keep coming even if the paychecks don't. We are born to an society that demands we pay a fee for existence. Monthly rent, weekly rent, sometimes daily rent. But let someone see those needle marks, and instantly, you're labeled. No one ever guesses, "Ah, he's just donating plasma." Each donation contributed to the building of the tracks, accusatory marks that can take months to fade.
Inside, the ambiance hits you differently. The “clinic,” if one could even call it that, is unsettling in its sterility. Surreal. Baked in LED light that blinds when paired with pristine white tiles, ceilings and polished floors to match. Walls punctuated with garish stock photos—blatant propaganda. Slogans like "Donate 2 times a week for 6 weeks to get an extra $50!" or "Be a Hero, Donate Regularly" paired with idyllic snapshots of familial bonds or valorous acts. You've got your “hero” firefighters and the suburban dads, blaring messages about the 'nobility' of 'donating'. (Read: Becoming a blood extraction unit). It’s laughable. Fewer words mean less than the word "Hero" after the COVID pandemic. "Hero" meaning, someone who works a minimum wage 'essential' survival job, risking their health so their bosses can continue to profit. A label given by the boss to keep the worker from thinking about why a Burger King worker has to work during a global pandemic.
The extraction chamber was a modern-day Frankenstein's laboratory; medieval stone walls and electrical switches replaced by a monochrome palette of polished white with splashes of stock photo pseudo-vibrancy. A commodified space where liquid gold is drawn from the desperate to line the pockets of the indifferent.
I've given blood. That’s a different ballgame, rooted in altruism. But plasma? That’s commerce. There's a reason schools or churches don’t host plasma drives. With plasma, the transaction is transparent. The stark difference? The payment, the $35 you clutch tightly as you exit, knowing it’s a lifeline. You aren’t there for lofty ideals; you're there because you're hungry and you need food. You know you need food because you're leaving the plasma center lightheaded, the world spinning. Breakfast has long been removed from the schedule, a cost saving measure. Plasma donation isn't about saving someone else’s life; it's about saving your own.
Your smartphone becomes a sanctuary here. An escape from the unsettling hum of machines and the weight of your own thoughts. But I learned the hard way. With a dead phone and nothing but the white void and the infernal rhythm of the machines, one’s mind can spiral into unsettling territories.
Mistakes were inevitable, and perhaps, even predictable given the circumstances. Picture the scene: staff, underpaid and overstressed, wrestling with responsibilities far beyond their pay grade. On inquiring, I discovered the unsettling truth: a measly $13 an hour. This was no ordinary job, no run-of-the-mill 9-to-5. In this role, tasks tiptoed the grotesque boundary between life and commerce. These women are proding needles, checking machines, dealing with bodily fluids, doing physicals, processing hundreds of people a day. The facility, perpetually awash with the desperate hum of activity, was chronically understaffed. A cost saving measure designed to maximize profits made from the veins. 35 machines in a room. 3 workers.
It must be a delicate balance, each attendant caught between the needs of donors in line and the machine-bound "customers" awaiting their turn. They danced to a harrowing symphony— blood for cash, cash for blood. Let's do the napkin math: A vial of plasma is sold for $300 to $800 dollars depending on the market. So let's take the high end of that. $800 per person drained. 50 machines, about an hour per session. The plasma center is making about $25,000 an hour. The center is open 12 hours per day. $300,000 before upkeep, rent and other expenses are factored. Each attendant makes $13 an hour. 2 shifts of 3 nurses each. 6 hour shifts. Each shift, they'll make $78 before taxes. Collectively the nurses will make $468 each day. Each donor is paid $30. These plasma centers are some of the most lucrative businesses, raw extraction from human material.
The life essence of the downtrodden, is being syphoned to swell the coffers of those seated comfortably atop the socioeconomic pyramid. There's a certain grotesquery to the impoverished drawing from their peers, a relentless cycle of taking from those with little to give, only to enrich the already affluent. The real vampires don't reside in the place they fed from. The donors aren't the only poor here; the poor were also the very hands that facilitated the extraction of the material. They are miners poorly paid to operate machinery.
Those at the top reaping the benefits of this sanguineous exchange, while those at the bottom traded in plasma pints and pennies. Recalling one episode where a mistake led to a ballooning blood pouch, a vein missed. A machine pumping without the ability to know it is causing such pain. A man screaming, his body begging for the tube to be removed. I can still hear the rising shouts of panic, the stunned expressions of horrified onlookers as the blood pocket emptied onto the chair, crimson hues painting the sterile navy blue chair. That moment, juxtaposed against the constant hum of machinery, continues to echo in my memories, the machines analogous to the systems that force us into into the position to be mined from. Without emotion, without empathy. Those droning plasmatic extractors, ever indifferent, standing in stark contrast to the very human drama unfolding before them like a backdrop to a theater of blood. The eyes of the stock image characters, the heroes fighting fires, looking out with a cold, barren stare. It's an image that refuses to fade, a chilling reminder of the risks taken, prices paid.
Over the weeks and months, as the routine of donation became almost second nature, a chilling insight began to take root. Observe the locations of these “donation” centers and you'll find a chilling pattern. In the rich neighborhood, the parking lots are replaced by public parks. The blood fracking operations are targeted, specific. Plasma centers are strategically sprouted in the more deprived areas, akin to wolves settling around the periphery of a wounded herd. In the poor neighborhood, the plasma center is down the block.
The barren landscape of the strip mall parking lot, with it's pawn shop, it's smoke shop and decaying, empty shops would slowly awaken with the rising sun, but for those of us departing with bandaged arms and a slightly lighter step, the world felt a shade heavier. The $35 would be spent at the local grocery—bread, milk, overly processed lunch meat, a pack of cigarettes to keep the hunger at bay. Basic survival. It was a journey from the cold vinyl bed of the clinic to the grocery store, walking lightheaded, the sidewalks spinning. The sun felt hotter on that walk. The cars passing by felt that much more indifferent, separated. Even the grocery store itself was decaying, inflated process, overly processed goods, and the type of selection you'd expect from a 'Food Mart' corner store. Each shambling step a testament to the extreme lengths one might go to in order to simply get by under neoliberalism. Under a system that has turned everything, even the blood flowing in our veins, into a transaction point.
We, the donors, the shamblers, our shuffling shadows navigating the grey-blacktop of life under capitalism, find ourselves entwined in this dance of exploitation, orchestrated by the neoliberal extraction machine. Trading our very essence, drop by precious drop, for the basics to survive another day. For the hope of being able to pay our existence fee. Some will donate again tomorrow, at the other center, in the other strip mall, pushing their body beyond it's natural limit. The modern America, a landscape where our desperation becomes a resource, our litreal organism vitality commodified. With every exit from these centers, $35 richer but unmistakably drained, the shambler is compelled to reflect: Have we invited the Nosferatus into our proverbial home? Allowing our spaces of potential community to become the puncture point of the neck? It is an unsettling ballet with modern-day vampires, human existence under capitalism. We must continuously question our role and the price of the dance. How long until we must force the curtains closed?
>>2804000star trek/wars, videogames, comic book franchises, it's all schlock. you're just a rube who consumes schlock and you're upset because you're getting old and today's schlock doesn't cater to your palate as well as the schlock you enjoyed as a child. the world doesn't change, all it does is turn; this is a you problem.
>>2804011>you're upset because you're getting old and today's schlock doesn't cater to your palate as well as the schlock you enjoyed as a childNah, I already said I liked how the Fallout show handled these issues, or even the games for that matter. I'm just saying what I think is the difference between good writing and bad writing.
>>2804011You are a philistine. You are anti-communist
>>2804012>Nah, I already said I liked how the Fallout show handled these issuesyes exactly; you think the fallout show is "good writing" because you're a rube who likes schlock. the fallout show is not good writing, the fallout show is not even art, the fallout show is mass produced corporate schlock for extracting money from rubes like you.
>>2804015Whatever feeds your sense of cultural superiority man.
>>2803979So something about Catholics is, kind of like certain Jewish sects, the more “into” the religion you get the more you get people trying to nitpick “rules”, like for Catholic kids you’ve got an old joke about only confessing some minor sins so you get an easier penance, or trying to give up something extremely minor for Lent (a sedentary guy saying “I’ll stop playing football for lent” for example)
In the case of right wing Catholics and The Pope, technically The Pope is only infallible when speaking “ex cathedra” which basically means only infallible on matters of dogma spoken officially as The Pope.
Most Right wing Catholics have despaired at Francis and Leo but kind of consider them “bad Popes” that we have to “endure”. This isn’t really all that foreign to Catholicism and plenty of Catholics regard periods like the Borgia Papacy as being black stains on our history. That they think Francis is bad because he said some stuff about love and duty to the poor and would compare him to the guys who hosted orgies in Rome is kind of like how Republicans would compare FDR to the Antichrist.
However the Catholic Church itself remains a pretty diverse institution. It’s not that the Right Wingers are acting contra to it, but rather they’re a different faction within the Church itself. A good example of this diversity would be Opus Dei vs The Jesuits. Generally speaking Opus Dei is more right wing and amenable to Capitalism—it promotes rigid discipline among the laity, sometimes mortification of the flesh (I believe a few wear tight belts with barbs meant to dig into their skin for this) and has a notion that if you’re laboring you should work as if you’re working for God himself. The Jesuits historically have been regarded by the Right Wing of the Church as too liberal, and Protestants think they’re some mixture of Catholic Commissar and assassin. It was Jesuits who educated Fidel Castro as a kid and allegedly when asked if they regretted teaching him after he led a revolution in Cuba they responded “Well why shouldn’t we be proud of Fidel?”
Of course you got really nutty right wingers who left the Church—the Sedevacantists were a schism that while believing in the authority of the Pope, argue that Vatican II amounted to heresy and argue that the throne of St Peter is now “vacant” and the guy calling himself The Pope is an imposter.
Point being, the Church has numerous groups composing it and while The Pope is an absolute monarch in theory, in practice he’s got limited power to impose his views on every Catholic.
>>2804011>star trek/wars, videogames, comic book franchises, it's all schlock. you're just a rube who consumes schlock and you're upset because you're getting old and today's schlock doesn't cater to your palate as well as the schlock you enjoyed as a child. the world doesn't change, all it does is turn; this is a you problem.A common cope that doesn't account for the rise of nostalgia as a major cultural phenomenon and things like the seemingly unlikely popularity of retro gaming. Two of the biggest children's games, Fortnight and Roblox, are both well over a decade old. Even the "new" games that are popular among the youth are generally old enough that they would have been old hat when I was a kid.
What is happening is that older people (like you) are aware that the way it is supposed to work is that culture leaving a couple of grumpy old people behind who grumble about how much better things were in their day. But culture is not, in fact, marching on. Attempt at creating a new culture have been tripping and stumbling and largely failing to capture the populace, including the youth.
>>2804086That can't be real.
bronald dump hosting various bearded browns in the white house? this used to be one country essemeich
guys shut the fuck up. what about gamergate though??? give me your hot take on the gamers gate
>>2804098games good make me happy women bad make me sad
>>2804064>But culture is not, in fact, marching on. Attempt at creating a new culture have been tripping and stumbling and largely failing to capture the populace, including the youth.You have a teleological and authoritarian conception of what culture is. Culture is not a linear progression and it's not governed by some central force like governments or corporations, culture is an organic and decentralized living system that evolves of its own accord in an endless, purposeless, and highly chaotic cycle.
>>2803943>Video games are probably (pound-for-pound) the cheapest form of entertainment. You can spend $5 and get hundreds of hours of entertainment. Compare that to going to something like going to the bar, where they would want more than that for a single drink.Are these the only kinds of entertainment you can conceive of, just mindless escapism and consumption? What about writing a story or a poem? It costs you a legal pad and a ballpoint pen. What about starting a band, all you need is some friends and a cheap secondhand instrument. What about fishing, all you need is a rod and reel and some lures and a body of water to stand next to. How much have you spent on all your consoles and discs and custom gaming PCs and your Steam library? And what have you gained from all that investment, other than some ephemeral experiences that evaporated into nothing after they were over?
>>2804131my man is acting like catch-and-release fishing is a religious experience relative to playing a video game
>>2804113>culture isn't stagnating if I define it as something that is too vague and nebulous to say anything definitive aboutOkay then, let's call it the "culture industry" then. The culture industry is stumbling and its attempts to produce anything new are largely being rejected by the populace, including the youth.
>>2804064IIRC the RLM guys (who are mostly old school Trekkies) have been following a bunch of Zoomers getting into classic Star Trek and cheering that they seem to like it more than modern Trek.
>>2804019>>2803979Oh one thing I think I neglected to mention is how Catholicism interfaces with Religion vs Protestantism. I think this might explain some confusion when people in predominantly Protestant countries try to understand Catholicism. A lot of folks think the main difference is The Pope, and he’s kind of interpreted the way Protestants interpret the Bible, as in he sets the rules, he gives the faith, it all comes from him.
The reality is I’d argue the main difference between Catholics and Protestants boils down to how we each conceive the Church. This is such a notable but understated difference that, historically, some Protestant reformists tried to contact the Orthodox Patriarch in Constantinople with a letter asking if he would support them against The Pope, along with a document explaining the beliefs of Protestantism—the Patriarch read it, concluded Protestantism was heretical to their teachings (even if it rejected the pope) and didn’t respond. Ultimately there were more similarities between the Catholic and Orthodox churches than Orthodox and Protestant.
Now ultimately this comes down to how both sides see “The Church”. When Protestants talk about “The Church” they’re referring to what they call “the invisible Church”, which is the spiritual community of believers—not too different from how Muslims see “The Ummah”. Catholics by contrast (and most apostolic Christians IIRC) see The Church as an actual institution here on earth. An institution that God has given a special writ to work miracles, drive out demons, and fulfill his mission on Earth. Our dispute with the Orthodox comes down to how the Church is
lead. Catholics believe that The Pope inherits the throne of St. Peter with his ascension and is the de jure leader of The Church as Peter was for the apostles; he runs the show, he’s the supreme figure that the entirety of The Church must defer to, he’s the HNIC.
The Orthodox believe The Pope is just “first among equals.” In essence they think the Church should be ruled by a council of patriarchs acting collectively, that the “Bishop of Rome” has a prestigious position but not a position of mastery over the rest of the church.
Ultimately this is different from Protestantism which believes salvation is derived from Faith alone. Catholics believe that it’s the Church that guides people to salvation, that participation in the Church and observance of the sacraments brings people into God’s grace. The Pope
leads the Church, but it is still fundamentally The Church that saves us.
>>2804142>my man is acting like catch-and-release fishing is a religious experience relative to playing a video gamei don't catch-and-release i take them home and eat them, and yes it is a much more fulfilling experience than playing a video game, even on days when i get skunked and come home with nothing. i get out of the house and spend time outdoors in the fresh air and get lots of exercise and there's no petty human bullshit to deal with it's just me alone in nature with the birds and the trees and the sun, everything is raw and physical and undeniably real, i come home sweaty and dirty and tired from wading in the water and hiking through the woods and i feel alive and rejuvenated.
>>2804163No one cares about your fascist cult, Myles.
>>2803943Wrong. The billions of private vidya consoles create massive ecological waste. Gamer kulak precipitate global warming. Vidya is bourgeois. Trillions of gallons of water is wasted sustaining the infrastructure for gaming. Only socialist data centers and cloud gaming like in China can solve this. Many large socialist data centers.
>>2804187>i take them home and eat thembut y tho
>the restabsolute psychosis, "real" nature as in like the heavily curated young forests in most of North America is not "real" nature in any stretch of the imagination. it is not true nature but neither is it false nature, it is the nature as we constructed it, no different than how we construct video games.
but the exercise stuff is spot-on, do get your hour of exercise a day in gamers.
>>2804197>thinks the entire natural world is a construct and there is nothing real left in the worldjfc, how do you even live like that? i would kill myself if i saw the world the way you do.
honkoid status?
>>2804209Pokemon going to the polls
>>2804203I mean, it's true. There isn't really a place on Earth we haven't touched in some way. The question is more in what we do with this power and how we use it to make a better world.
Only the ultra-Browderist DNCPUSA would allow someone from the KKKatholiKKK cult into their party. The Roman Church could be the single most reactionary organization in the history of the world and it must be utterly destroyed, root and stem, if there is even the slightest hope of building a better world.
A real Communist party would have laughed as they shredded Myles application, but the DNCPUSA is the complete opposite of a Communist party. I was forced to table next to them at mayday and I forgot to bring my gun, much to my shame.
>>2804214You are reactionary. You just want to shatter the catholic church approved anti-fascist united front.
>>2804213>I mean, it's true. There isn't really a place on Earth we haven't touched in some way. The question is more in what we do with this power and how we use it to make a better world.i don't even know where to begin with people like you. you think humans are somehow separate from nature and the world, you think we have some kind of dominion over the world and some responsibility to "make it better" and be benevolent rulers of the universe, you have fascist ideas like teleology and anthropocentrism and narcissism so deeply ingrained into your brain that you don't even know who or what or where you are anymore. when i talked about why i enjoy the outdoors the only part of it that resonated with you was the exercise part, i.e. the most superficial vain aspect of it, the part that you associate with status and self-improvement and living longer and winning the approval of others, all the things that the capitalist system programs you to think of as highly important. it's so depressing and disappointing to learn about most westoid minds and the things that they think and believe, it makes me feel like the entire world is just full of nothing but stupid spiritless superficial people.
>>2804231lol I'm actively a nature conservationist and probably know more about my region's ecological makeup than anyone does for wherever they live, the fact that we've radically altered the natural balance is just a given fact. even the US' virgin forests were in truth manipulated by the natives to select for trees and plants which they found useful.
now if that is an extension of nature or not is a philosophical question which I am not too interested in tbh, for me its more a question of maintaining functional ecosystems through dutiful custodianship of the land. it's impossible to return nature to some kind of idealistic pre-mankind state but its very possible to balance our impact on nature to be minimal or even beneficial to its continued function.
>>2804231>Humans>Nature>Separate Humans affecting nature is natural. You think humans aren't animals? I hate to say this but you actually need postmodern thought drilled into your brain.
>>2803910spread them cheeks rich boy 😈😈😈😈😈😈😈
>>2804236>now if that is an extension of nature or not is a philosophical question which I am not too interested in tbh, for me its more a question of maintaining functional ecosystems through dutiful custodianship of the land.you're not interested in the actual meaning of your career, the thing you've devoted your entire life to? you're a joke.
>>2804280I'm impressed gamergate survived the epstein files TBH.
>>2804364
If only…
>>2804356From what I can tell it seems to be overtaken by how dogshit the new Starfox games look
>>2804356Why wouldn't it? The idea the bourgeois manipulate pop culture is perfectly compatible with the core idea of gamergate.
Do you mean because Epstein created /pol/? Because the far-right really do not care that they are useful idiots, and the far-left will just see it as confirming our views against mainstream pop culture.
>>2804392
Langley working overtime
>>2804389Epstein was pro-gamergate and anti-Anita tho
>>2804224Of course this fucking board agrees with the KKKatholickkk church. Real communists get real close to peoples faces when they try to join and ask them if they believe in god. I’ve personally thrown a stapler at someone who said yes.
>>2804214>The Roman Church could be the single most reactionary organization They were in the past but nowadays zio-evangeliKKKals are the vanguard of bourgeois reaction and Catholics must be critically supported against them.
>>2804401no they don't, we support only the workers in this religious schism
>>2804401The only thing we should support Christ-cultists on is suicide. If they genuinely believe in their tyrannical god, why won't they go meet him?
>>2804214can you just stop whining for 1 day?
>>2804404IM ANGRY ABOUT GOD!!!! 😡😡😡😡
>>2804396Isn't Anita herself an Epsteinite? Like her entire shtick is doing the mainstream media circuit and speaking tours, consultancy, etc? If she didn't have friends in high places she would've probably disappeared into the shadows since she really does not have much to do if she isn't getting consulting jobs and NYT articles. She does not like…produce anything beyond talking down at proles for having the wrong opinion on things while never criticizing the bourgeois. She is a perfect representation of the PMC consultant class that just serve to enforce the bourgeois' will onto the proles. I was never on board with the harassment towards her because it just fuels the partisan circus that keeps dummies obsessed and distracted from eating the rich. But she is complicit in it, no?
>>2804397Real Communists shoot KKKatholiKKKs on sight like the rabid dogs they are. Religion is utterly incompatible with Marxism-Leninism and Christ-insanity is a reactionary doctrine which must be actively struggled against. No one anywhere can be free until the last shovel of dirt is put on the grave of the last KKKatholiKKK priest.
>>2804421>Religion is utterly incompatible with Marxism-Leninismidunno China seems chill about it
<The People's Republic of China is officially an atheist state,[3][4][5] but the Chinese government formally recognizes five religions: Buddhism, Taoism, Christianity (Catholicism and Protestantism are recognized separately), and Islam.[6] All religious institutions in the country are required to uphold the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), implement Xi Jinping Thought, and promote the Religious Sinicization under the general secretaryship of Xi Jinping.[7] >>2804417>Isn't Anita herself an Epsteinite? No, where the fuck did you get this idea from?
>>2804428I was just thinking this thread sometimes feels like that "you slumber, a cucumber!" scene in its incoherence
>>2804358
Top tier milf
>>2804423The Chinese revisionists long ago abandoned any form of socialism and have reverted to a system of semi-planned Capitalism. They are a perfect example of what NOT to do.
>>2804428It is fitting that the only response you can muster is to regurgitate quotes from your favorite cartoon. You are utterly incapable of seeing the world through any lens beyond Capitalist commodity slop designed to mentally subjugate the workers.
>>2804436>It is fitting that the only response you can muster is to regurgitate quotes from your favorite cartoon. When dealing with clowns you bring out the Looney Tunes.
>>2804428Literally Jordan Peterson
>>2804417No the exact opposite, Epstein was a Gamer who hated feminists.
>>2804428XRA is a gem; especially that episode (Damnesia Vu)
BREAKING: THE DSA HAVE HALTED ALL LABOR ACROSS THE USA IN PROTEST OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY!!!!!!!!!
>>2804441At least you're not telling people to read Oswald Mosley or writing bad fanfics about beating up hippie queers for protesting the Vietnam war.
>>2804444>Epstein was a Gamer who hated feminists.He was also a lifelong democrat that donated to liberal-feminist orgs all his life.
>>2803910Least insane ameriKKKan Catholics
>>2803910ugh. if only that were true. in reality zohran and his progressive wave buddies rescuing liberalism.
>>2804414>Religion and god<One of the biggest lies and cause of trouble in history>Dumb MF on the internet<Hehe your a fedoraKys homey
>>2804471Trump: We're gonna use Saudi airspace to bomb Iranian ships in the strait
Saudis: Wait…what?
Iranians: *excitedly punching the coordinates of every Saudi military base into their missile system*
Saudis: Please no
>>2804478Turns out you actually have to coordinate with your allies rather than just announce shit randomly on social media and let them interpret it!
>>2804526erm… that's heckin' fascist, don't you know you're gong to hell for being a filthy cat-o-lick????? evil fascist food too…..
>>2804526Nice, I bet all the ingredients came from Buster Joe's, too. You wouldn't dare shop anywhere else that might have one of those filthy unions you hate so much.
>>2804538you are beyond parody man
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you just know all these losers cream their pants when the nytimes decides to finally give them the attention they always craved from liberal msm
>>2804570this is an english language website ma'am
>>2804526mf is really eating a spaghetti sandwich. usa cuisine.
>>2804627It's a cut of garlic bread; bit bigger than I would've done it but fuck it, it was a long day at work.
>>2804528lol he actually did the thing below you.
Anyways I decided to make the marinara myself, crushed some peeled tomatoes + tomato paste over garlic and onions that I'd seasoned, threw in a cup of Chianti and some red pepper flakes too.
It was good.
>>2804629Long day making sure the workers will never have a union? Do they give you the propaganda as a condition of working there like Wal-Mart or do you just reflexively defend the bosses owing to your own extreme petty-bourgeois consciousness?
>>2804626Was looking forward to the lockdown
>>2804626I don't want to overreact but this is a completely worthless statement considering how much we didn't know about covid early on.
>>2804450>He was also a lifelong democrat So was Trump lol
Until he wasn't
>>2804638Trump also donated to feminist causes. The bourgeois have no ethics or morality and Anita using their charity to sustain herself and spread her message just creates a conflict of interest that makes me not want to trust her. Hasan too obviously so it's not just her. Anyone who considers themselves a progressive or a socialist should not be intermingling with the bourgeois or going on NYT or WSJ or doing speaking tours for rich people.
>>2804417lmao is that what an epsteinite is? there a couple other big things that epstein is infamous for
>>2804436>It is fitting that the only response you can muster is to regurgitate quotes from your favorite cartoon. You are utterly incapable of seeing the world through any lens beyond Capitalist commodity slop designed to mentally subjugate the workers.>>2804196>>2804011>>2804015And you are a clown who has a delusion of being superior over whatever media consumption you do or don't do.
>>2804681I forgot to mention the trillions of aggregate labor hours wasted sustaining gamer class itself, nevermind their gaming infrastructure. world hunger and global warming is being eliminated by banning private gaming, mandating cloud gaming, and instituting strict session limit
>>2804800>I forgot to mention the trillions of aggregate labor hours wasted sustaining gamer class itselfThey’re not a class. And most those labor hours don’t even go to them either.
>world hunger and global warming is being eliminated by banning private gamingIt’s not
>mandating cloud gamingYou’re not getting another data center
>instituting strict session limitFuck off statist
>>2804631Literally everyone with a job in the US is petit bourgeois so it doesn’t matter anyway
>>2805025>Crush them while they weak?That, but also rightwingers act on sadistic impulses, not rational cost/benefit calculation. Being powerless is exactly what makes them want to crush you.
>>2804364
all this means that if an american does it they'll just blame it on iran
>>2804627I did always feel that the pasta + garlic bread combo was way too carb heavy despite being tasty. I always preferred to just have meatballs in marinara with garlic bread and salad.
>>2805025doesnt matter if it exists or not as long as they can drum up a boogeyman, and it works because people do spout nonsense about how the communist bankers and CEOs control the world, how wall st funded the bolshevik, and its destroying the white race or whatever
>>2805047Does that mean that the boogeyman will no longer be the terrorist but the communist? or both maybe?
They will just kill regular people, not even political enemies. This is total war and we are not even prepared
>>2805103I hope so too but it seems Latin America will have to go through hell before that happens. Being the closest to the US and considered its “backyard”, Latino America is a sanctuary for the US.
Perhaps freedom will rise last in LATAM
>>2805025Because communists are the biggest threats to capital. Because anything that uplifts the proletariat is seen as weakening the power of capitalists. Because in the eyes of the bourgeoisie, empathy is a sin.
>>2805184even this cover is me hesitating to commit to the bit
>>2805184Pretty much all twitter sexuality discourse comes from literal fascists who think all sex is rape and all depictions of women in media are inherently about raping them blahblahblah.
Turns out real people are nuanced and can in fact enjoy being sexualized on their own terms and everyone is different in their personal tastes. Which, being a video game, ie something you can choose to play or not play, means it's always going to be on your own terms. If you don't like how a game depicts sex it's easy enough to just not play that game, no?
The people who insist that we need to control media for the sake of giving people representation that they never asked for are basically the radfem equivalent of incels. They don't actually interact with the opposite sex enough to have any idea what makes for healthy discourse, they just want to railroad their own beliefs into the product for their own egos. It's kinda just exhausting trying to discuss media with people who hate humanity and use media critique as their outlet for misanthropy instead of celebrating human sexuality and the human physical form.
It's troubling because there is a side of the argument that is right: games or other media should be able to stand on their own merits and characters should have a purpose for their existence beyond gooning unless the gooning is somehow relevant to the plot. But underage twitter radfems completely miss the point of sexuality discourse and just default to puritanism rather than trying to make art better or more diverse. Like it's not a surprise the only people who engage with them are also underage incel retards while everyone else sees both parties as immature morons that let porn live rent free in their heads 24/7. They aren't bringing any solutions beyond being mad at the physical reality of women having breasts and men(and lesbians) being attracted to those breasts. Art is inevitably going to celebrate the human condition and a huge part of that condition is sex and sexual attraction. Even if you're the biggest pessimist and view it purely as a cashgrab because tits sell, that's still totally human behavior and not something we should be ashamed of lol. If you don't like it, that's fine, but people should be more open-minded in general to just letting everyone have their fun if it's not hurting anyone.
>>2805229>tax the rich is a hateful racial slur>just like this anti-imperialist liberation phrase targeted at colonial occupiers that i just happen to identify with for totally unrelated reasonslol shekelstein really can't help himself
we're gonna get holocaust 2 in this century i am 100% convinced of it, everything the zionists do is in service of holocaust 2 it's like they want to exterminate the jews goddamn
WSWS coming in with a banger:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/05/07/ruuu-m07.html
>What is it about the Met fashion gala that leads one to think fondly of the guillotine?>>2805233lol you guys should plaster this in public bathrooms
>>2805250this is less racist than anything Trump has said in the last 50 years. only actual nazis see the phrase "one race" and think it means white people and not referring to a unified nationalist American identity. At least that's my interpretation maybe it is intended to be a nazi dogwhistle and I'm missing context idk.
also I think it's supposed to be referring to some nascar thing the government is doing to please Trump's ego.
how long till revolution
>>2805250Little silly anon doesn't know the word race has different meanings
>>2805224I am not against hot chicks in video games, I just don't think it should be a shield against aesthetic critiques. In fact that is probably why I hate a lot of coomer media, because it just isn't that hot. I find that the hoes in Type Moon are a lot more appealing to me personally and they all wear suits for the most part.
>>2805184>i bought into the no tiddies = better representationThose same people will probably tell you now that flat chest representation is pedo-coded. You just can't win with online feminists, so stop trying
>>2805259I mean it seems like an obvious attempt at dog whistling to me; “One race? We’re just talking about an actual race, with cars! Of course you libtards think we’re being racists!”
The Trump admin is staffed with Nazis. For fuck’s sake when he was running his campaign they’d do shit like buy 88 different ads for 14 days.
>>2805286i am hip to the plight of petite women, I'm 6'5" and have been since I was 17. I've dated short, petite women and the comments people make are incredibly uncomfortable.
>>2805274I totally agree I think you should be able to critique a game's aesthetic for not fitting your tastes so long as you aren't a prude about it. Especially when different games in the same series have totally distinct aesthetics. I just get irritated by people who treat their own opinion as more important than it is. Sometimes you just aren't the target audience, and that's ok. I'll never play Love and Deepspace or Cookierun Kingdom but I'm glad they exist for the people who enjoy them.
>>2805290I'm not sure how much of Trump's inner circle are actual self-identifying nazis and how much of it is just dogwhistling to the base, though I guess it doesn't matter since if you pander to nazis you are in fact a nazi. But I don't see "one race" as being innately racist, it could be interpreted as humanist or nationalist depending on who you ask. Of course within the context the people who came up with it probably -intended- it to be racist but interpreting it differently takes power away from them so I'm gonna choose to troll /pol/tards by saying "Trump doesn't believe in any races except the American race."
>>2805266Probably after the incoming Great War
>>2805250>official government merchhave we just accepted that part
>>2805294It's just going to get worse as generations dive deeper into a sexless lifestyle. Fascists and feminists alike have been bitching nonstop about getting men back to do their bidding, and they can't do that without beating down all escapist activities.
Petite-shaming seems so silly, but I'm sure participantion in online moral panics has shaped their real-life behavior as well
>>2805377just after ted turner dies, fucked up
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>>2805377Read Butcher's Crossing for a fun time
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