/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2810685
>Hungary yes, Korea no.
I said the opposite but I'm open to hearing why you think this. I understand South Korea is basically a military occupied vassal but they also have Samsung and Mitsubishi(heavy industries makes battleships).

Whereas Hungary is basically in the same situation as Russia but worse, a post-soviet successor state but smaller, subjugated by the EU, and just had their government soft couped by western finance again, basically as a result of attempting to flex sovereign independence in the same way that Putin but did successfully and for which he was punished with a hot war for his effort.

>>2810685

Guess again:
https://time.com/archive/6944957/the-breadbasket-of-south-korea-madagascar/

With current Russian advance rate it will take 40 to 75 years until they lose all occupied territories.

>>2810764
The idea of anticampist retards is that we should turn a blind eye to suffering of millions of people simply because anticampists think that governments in charge aren't good enough for them. Hell, they even ban LGBT! Oh, look, their nominal GDP is lower, this means that they are reactionary!

Reality, however, is that Russian SMO is objectively anti-imperialist, and was warred in the first years with utmost care and attempts to minimize casualties, yet the imperialist side refused any and all forms of negotiations, instead demanding dissolution of Russia - i.e. deaths of tens of millions of people. Given that the side that refuses negotiations is Ukraine and EU, anticampists must be demanding Ukraine's surrender and supporting Russian diplomatic efforts

>>2810774
>we should turn a blind eye to suffering of millions of people simply because anticampists think that governments in charge aren't good enough for them
they are literally idealists. they think human rights is when you have the correct ideas and people who dont have human rights do that cause they have bad ideas and are mean.

they have no understanding of the material basis for "rights" in economic production and how the very subjugation to liberalism they claim will grant these rights is exactly what is preventing the development of the necessary economic production.

rights are not granted by decree they are determined by the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby. if you want to feed an urban population you need tractors. and if you want tractors you need factories. and iron mines. and doctors. and schools.

alternatively you can vote for a glowie usurper promising lies and they will sell out your children for a thousand generations

lol, myrotvorets put in the kill list the zelya's ex press secretary after she spilled the beans against zelya and boris.
some extracts of ex PS statements:

oh ho-ho-ho. another wunderwaffen gone.

>>2810808
>The Russian missile has been specifically created for such strikes
I like the subtle tryhard accusation here, as though a Western made plane only got shot down because Russia sPeCIfIcALlY made a missile for shooting down planes.
As opposed to based Ukraine where old folks just fire a shotgun or throw jars of pickles at planes to take them down, absolute chads lmao get on Ukraine’s level scrub

>Paradox of Ukrainian nationalists:
They were the ones that pushed so hard to make this war a reality, as a result of which Ukraine's population fell from ~40 million in 2021 to 20 million now.

>Ukrainian men don't go to work, fearing the forced mobilization that nationalists support so fiercely

But now the nationalist righteously protest against importing migrant labourers

>>>2809540
on suicide watch indeeeeeed
LMAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I can't wait for the LLM neithercampist bots ITT defending le awesome chungus ukrainian 'proles' carrying mass pogroms against the brown inmigrant people.
>REEEEEEEEEEE RUSSIA IS KILLING PROLES, o algo.

>>2810817
Nationalists love creating Babylon

>>2810774
>The idea of anticampist retards is that we should turn a blind eye to suffering of millions of people simply because anticampists think that governments in charge aren't good enough for them.
The governments in charge are indeed causing the suffering of millions of people. This applies to governments in and outside of the "camps". Russia is a porky paradise only thanks to Gorby, Yeltsin and Putin. The war is happening thanks to these 3 as well. It's incredible how the concepts of class rule and histmat instantly evaporate from the brains of supposed Marxists when you say that kidnapping and throwing hundreds of thousands of workers into the woodchipper is not a based anti-imperialist crusade actually. Cucktin is fighting to maintain the bourgeois order in Russia and enforce his equivalent of the Monroe doctrine, that's all he cares about. There will be no silver lining to this war.

>>2810830
Russia will continue to develop now that Putin has asserted its sovereignty and finally gotten out from under the American boot after 20 years of subjugation and looting.

>>2810830
Arak Soviet status?

>>2810832
It will continue developing and the subjugation and looting will continue. After all, that's the development of capitalist relations, which cucktin would die to uphold.

>>2810835
Crushed by cuckslamists

>>2810836
>>2810838
Also a fun fact: both Russia and Turkey are the fastest growing economies in Europe.

>>2810774
You support neoliberals and islamists just so you won't have to view the international proletariat with different skin tone as humans with agency 😂🫵

>>2810839
Also a fun fact: Russians spend 40% of their income on food

>>2810849
Don't forget this banger quote

>>2810849
Funny how Russians and British have the same amount nominal USD money on hands after all the mandatory expenditures, lmao

>>2810852
Do you know what the word "nominal" means or did you use it to sound smart?

verbatim of the dialogue.
obviously, she sneaks in that it was Russia the country that started the war:

and even so, >>2810800 couldn't evade the death sentence.

>>2810831
sure?
>>2808629

>>2810849
those things alone don't define the shape of the economy.

>2019 poster all over again
>known spammer attacks again.
bro is salty because he got Xi in the 2025 parade, but he wasn't invited. langley chuds don't get tickets to parades celebrating victories over the nazis.

lmao, the retard really loves to take photos and put them in a pedestal, as if things aren't dynamic.
well, I guess I shall spam this photo every time he criticizes Russia, even if this fucking nazi isn't the commander in chief of ukraine as of today.
because he was the commander in chief of ukraine at some point.

>>2810849
This is what socialism would look like, no rent no bills, just spend your labour vouchers on shopping for food and other consumables

>>2810868
careful, he will tell you that you are wrong, mimicking Marxist terminology.

>>2810860
>Critics accused of treason or being pro-Russian
Yeah, I can definitely sense that’s the atmosphere lmao

>>2810871
what I like it's that that some people got salty in ukraine for her remarks, that's why she got into myrotvorets. the
how many weeks for ukraine collapse folks are dead silent with this testament:
>The war is destroying Ukraine demographically, economically, and politically.
but hey, they can ask every minute now.

>>2810874
Oh if her warning about the extinction of Ukraine comes to pass, expect for the narrative to go from
>lmao year 5 of the 3 day smo, Russia has been stalemated by stronk underdogs who have amazed everyone with their 9001:1 KD ratios
To
<Russia knew Ukraine had no choice but to fight to the last Ukrainian, so they intentionally dragged out the SMO to genocide Ukraine

>>2810800
I listened to this interview and about 5 mins in i realized that she was going to the list and risk being dead within 6 months.

>>2810824
It's because Capitalism is spiritually satanic so it keeps mimicking the empires of old but this board ain't ready for that conversation yet.

>>2810894
I really like the part in Jesus Christ Superstar where Jesus goes on a ego trip and starts trashing the market set up in his father’s temple

>>2810904
I like the bit where he goes JESUS CHRIST! SUPER STAR!

Berlin in two years status?

>>2810969
Population of Ukraine was halved

We call for the Ukrainian and Russian proletariat to practice proletarian defeatism, and actively work for the defeat of their own bourgeoisie in this war. Only by uniting the world proletariat, under the leadership of a communist party, and for the communist program and not a nationalist one, can all these wars be put to an end.

Communists have the important task of building trust between workers of different nations. This was one of the reasons why Marx joined the IWA. It's what he tried to mould the IWA into, an organization where workers of different countries exchanged news, ideas, tactics, talked about common problems and created real fraternal bonds that would be a prelude to the universal brotherhood to come.

Unfortunately, the self-described "communists" of today are even more nationalistic than the average worker of the capitalist country that they are a nationalist of, be it Russia or China or Cuba. These fake communists (some of them likely glowies and bots) spend hours every day working to build up nationalist fervor and engender hatred among the workers of other nations.

In short, these fake communists do the exact opposite of what has to be done.

It is hoped that whichever humans are still left here, who are not malicious nationalists pretending to be communists, but genuine in their desires for communism even if misguided by falsified theory, put in the effort to learn about the correct Marxist, internationalists, communist positions on these imperialist wars :

https://www.international-communist-party.org/BasicTexts/English/89ThEWar.htm

https://www.international-communist-party.org/English/TheCPart/TCP_041.htm#War

>>2811017
I think you’ll find the vast majority of proles in the northern hemisphere subscribe to bourgeois hatred towards Russia and desire its demolition. Proles who do not wish for this are usually themselves Russian and few of those wish(ed) for war.

>>2811025
Andrey Rudoy, the ultimate Russian Marxist, says that Putin's imperialist bourgeois regime should not be supported and all Russians should flee to France.

>>2811127
Well I’m the ultimate universal Marxist and I disagree

>>2810879
I am screenshotting this for posterity, when they come back in 5 to 10 years.

>>2811354
i wouldnt give a fuck anymore about them being wrong in the face of reality except for the fact that the eu is beginning to approach post ww1 germany levels of delusion. if germany actually rearms they might fucking trick themselves into attacking russia again as a response to getting fucked in the ass by america. its actually getting more dangerous instead of less as they continue to lose the war double triple quadruple down in the face of economic consequences. its only a tiny step to blaming the economy on russian meddling instead of consequences of their own action