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>>2820017 Reminder: The DNCUPSA's stated strategy is literally "Vote Blue No Matter Who"
This means that they support not just Platner, but every other DemoKKKrat who is actively holding back the American working class. They know this, which is why they do it. DNCPUSA is an anti-Communist party in praxis, even if they are too cowardly to admit to being such in words.
>>2822117>DNCPUSA isn't just "revisionist Communists", they are an out and proud Strasserite party. The only reason this site tolerates, let alone supports them, is because you're also all Strasserites.yet you talk to us all day and beg us to do things
>>2822184that game is never coming out lol
>>2822188Both this game and my future burger gf will come
>>2822182https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/trumps-redistricting-wars-are-an-attack-on-every-worker/Every seat that flips means fewer votes for raising the federal minimum wage. Fewer votes for the PRO Act, which would be the most significant expansion of workers’ right to organize in decades. Fewer votes for student debt relief, for expanding ACA subsidies, for protecting Medicaid, for infrastructure funding that creates union jobs.
It also means more votes for privatizing Social Security. More votes for eliminating prevailing wage requirements on federal projects. More votes for eliminating student aid (what’s left of it). More votes for making abortion illegal nationwide and for prosecuting women. More votes to eliminate marriage equality. More votes for eliminating minimum wage.
>>2822189both will disappoint you
>>2822193The fact that the only avenue that the DNCPUSA can find to defend the DemoKKKrats from is IDPol shows how incredibly bankrupt they are intellectually. It's hard to believe that creature has a PhD, given the weakness of it's arguments, but then again maybe it's not so shocking given the bourgeois, anti-Communist nature of KKKollege in America. Especially graduate school.
USA is closer to 1905 or 1903?
>>28222011880 with Peoples Will style attacks on the tsar
>>2822188GTA VI is going to be a disaster for the industry when it comes out. To be profitable it'll have to be bought by something like 1/3rd of all PS5 owners (something I don't doubt its capable of) and its gonna convince a bunch of dumbass investors to chase after GTA VI money with every franchise.
We're definitely gonna see something like the next Assassin's Creed costing $80 on release and spending so much money that it'd need to do gangbusters to break even.
Reminder that Felix's growing list of "reactionaries" to be killed immediately includes
>Anybody who's religious
>Anyone who's ever been a member of the "wrong" leftist group, which is all of them except his microsect
>Anybody who has voted for or campaigned for a Democrat or a Republican
>Anyone who's ever received a college education
>Service industry workers, including those on minimum wage
>Most public servants
>Anybody who owns a home or is related to someone who owns a home
>Anyone who references pop culture
>Anyone with even the slightest bit of military training
and of course
>Anyone who has ever done anything that could be perceived as defending one of the above condemned groups, including others in this category
>>2822209anyone who has fun
>>2822211Not entirely true, if you're a psychopath who finds joy in torturing and killing anybody in the above groups you're gucci. So there IS room for fun technically
everyone ITT sucks. "you're all strasserites" guy sucks. ACP dickrider sucks. DNC dickriders suck. RNC dickriders suck. /ISG/ offtopic posters suck. namefags suck.
America needs an independent, militant working class party that is NOT obsessed with idpol either from a reactionary or a liberal standpoint, that is NOT collaborationist with the imperialist state, and is NOT run by psycho nihilists and doomsday prophets with no social skills.
>>2822209You forgot troops.
The only good troop is one who's dead.
>>2822214Yes, this is why organizations like the DNCUPSA and DᛋᛋA need to be actively confronted and destroyed, they stand in the way of building an independent, militant working class party and this is BY DESIGN in both cases. Study the history of Michael Harrington and his feud with the "New Left" and you will quickly find out that the explicit purpose of the DᛋᛋA was always to hamstring and destroy any Communist movement in America.
>>2822215That was already included with "Anyone with even the slightest bit of military training". Props to you not even bothering to deny the rest of it though. The only problem with your program is that you'll have to kill at minimum 9 out of 10 Americans for it, and you've yet to articulate how a socialist America is going to function when it's totally depopulated and most of the survivors are being "reeducated" through hard labor
>>2822217If you can't tell the difference between an illiterate conscript in 1917 and a fully educated, entirely willing and enthusiastic volunteer in 2026 then I don't even know what to say to you.
>>2822219You have yet to answer how you plan on establishing a socialist America when you also want to kill most of the population and "reeducate" the survivors
>>2822219youre right the illiterate russian conscripts in 1917 were raping and razing austrian villiages by the dozens while the garrison guards back home were watching or participating in jewish pograms so yeah clearly worse
>>2822217>>2822219>>2822221>>2822223impudent, talking over each other, more interested in purging imagined dissent than building a real movement to abolish the present state of things. simultaneously puritanical tyrants and bloodthirsty opportunists.
>>2822221The first goal is to destroy America. America MUST be destroyed if we want the rest of the world to live. The existence of the United States of America is an existential threat to every other human living on earth and the only solution is it's complete destruction, root and stem. Any other argument is literally collaborationism.
>>2822223Some were, the rest were building Soviet power. But there is a significant difference in both class composition and relationship to the state between the American Soldat (who, by the way, if you knew ANYTHING about what these thugs did in Iraq and Afghanistan you wouldn't even be trying to make such a moralistic argument) and the Russian conscript of 1917.
>>2822228I'm the anon from the third quote and I am indeed quite interested in dialogue because I dont really think killing people because they watched a Marvel movie is praxis. I'm just trying to parse how someone who does plan on killing the vast majority of the American population plans on running the country afterwards when most people are dead and the survivors outside of his microsect are forced into camps
>>2822232So "kill every American" is your platform then? How do you expect anybody to join your microsect if you plan on murdering them all? Your plan to "destroy America" seems pretty counterproductive and liable to get you and your six buddies killed in a shootout with the feds, but I guess you'll at least die pure rather than living with the shame of compromising on your ideals
>>2822232America is already destroying itself without your help thanks to the shortsighted bourgeois butchers in both parties. And it is only blind historical force that can destroy America because if it is done deliberately America will just nuke the planet the same way the kulaks torched their own fields: to avoid redistribution. If you try to destroy America from the inside: nuclear war. If you try to destroy America from the outside: nuclear war. I would instruct you to let America die of its own cancer without triggering nuclear war, but there is no need to instruct you because you have no influence. You are an irrelevant ape yelling into a void, just like me.
>>2822234Death to America (the state) not Americans (black and indigenous people), but death to Americans (whites and Jews).
>>2822237Most blacks and indigenous people are also religious, and according to Felix killing anybody who's religious is based communist praxis
>>2822209Reminder to uphold Felixism-Chagosian Thought against democrat dickriders and american chauvinists
I really hate america but americans are often kind of cool tbh, just really fucking stupid, it's kinda cute even
>>2822242I dream of man handling an American bimbo twunk and drinking his leche
>>2822242A lot of Americans hate America too, that's the funny thing. This country fucking sucks. It needs to be dismantled and replaced by something less awful. But you cant do that if you kill over 90% of them and enslave the rest, in that case you're not a communist but a killpeopleist
>>2822246The US gets more immigrants than the UK
>>2822249more immigrants = less approval for immigration is typically how that works, especially since new arrivals are often the most anti-immigrant
If you kill everyone Westoid the proletariat wins so I fail to see the problem
>>2822237mixed people look at deranged posts like these and just laugh
>>2822251>new arrivals are often the most anti-immigrantassimilation pressure, economic competition, "pull up the ladder behind me" effect, "I'm not like those new migrants" effect, new political identity overrides the old one, etc.
>>2822246>we're gonna lose our hecking national identitynobody has an identity to lose. hello? roman britain. norman conquest. viking invasions. globe spanning empire… what does it even mean to be "british". the continents themselves move. it's called continental drift. people are addicted to these mtaphysical identitarian fictions that exist only in their heads. they pretend these fragile "traditions" which have existed for 3 or 4 generations extend eternally backwards and forwards in time.
>>2822244>This country fucking sucks. It needs to be dismantled and replaced by something less awful. But you cant do that if you kill over 90% of them and enslave the rest, in that case you're not a communist but a killpeopleistpeople who talk like that think they're cutting through the gordian knot
Are we just gonna let Israel slowly wipe out Gaza? Because that's what's happening now
>>2822265I'm not stopping you, follow your dreams
>>2822265the genocide of Palestinians has been happening since 1948. It merely intensified in 2023. Since "we" did nothing between 1948 and 2023, "we" will also do nothing after 2023
>>2822265t. time traveler from oct 2023
>Utah officials have declared a statewide emergency following one of the worst snow seasons on record. This winter was so poor that officials dubbed it a “no-pack” season, with mountain snowpack ending near all-time lows.
>Snowpack serves as the West’s natural frozen reservoir. Each spring and summer, melting snow slowly releases water into rivers, reservoirs, farms, cities, and ecosystems. This year, that critical system largely collapsed.
>Since April 1, much of Utah has seen only 50–75% of normal precipitation. More than 60% of the state is now in extreme drought. The impacts are already hitting hard. Farmers face sharply reduced water allocations, Salt Lake City has urged residents to cut outdoor water use by 20%, and major reservoirs like Lake Powell sit at critically low levels, threatening hydroelectric power and putting further strain on the entire Colorado River system.
>Scientists warn this is part of a broader, long-term shift across the American West. Climate change is driving warmer temperatures that cause snow to melt earlier, increase evaporation, and turn more winter precipitation into rain instead of snow. Rain runs off quickly, making it far harder to store water for the dry summer months ahead.
>The drought has also dramatically raised wildfire risk, as dry vegetation and low soil moisture turn landscapes into tinder.
>While summer thunderstorms may bring temporary relief, officials say they are unlikely to solve the deepening water deficit.
>This crisis underscores just how dependent the Western United States remains on mountain snow, and how fragile that system becomes when winters stop delivering as they once did.https://www.deseret.com/environment/2026/05/21/utah-emergency-order-drought/of course, Utah is governed by a gop moron, so the draught is caused by proximate weather causes, not because of a deeper theory.
and of course, called for a
https://governor.utah.gov/uncategorized/gov-cox-declares-june-29-a-statewide-day-of-prayer-and-fasting-for-rainstatewide Day of Prayer and Fasting for RainGod be like: oh, you chuds praying and fastening for rains?
whattabout no.
>>2822207It's been 13 years since GTA V came out so I think it can play the long game.
>OVER 14% OF U.S. CREDIT CARD BALANCES NOW 90+ DAYS DELINQUENT, HIGHEST LEVEL SINCE 2011
>>2822261"Continents" aren't even real either btw, their definition is arbitrary because they're a social, political, and economic construct. They have no basis in actual science. Our entire world is based upon constructs (Marx's superstructure) that are used to control the Overton window and enslave us in order to keep us divided and fighting amongst each other instead of uniting against those in power.
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/l/lewis-myth.html?_r=1https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Definitions_and_application >>2822276Discussion about AI is so exhausting honestly, just constant hysteria being fanned by people who worship it like its god.
I read it did some useful math thing, thats kinda cool, but i dont like that the world seemingly revolves around AI.
>>2822233it's the ideology of an ecoterrorist, not a sincere ideology other than "MURDER MURDER KILL KILL KILL"
>>2822269The Palestinian population has increased so to call it a genocide since 1948 would be a mistake.
We need to do something before everyone in Gaza is wiped out. Long term illness will also kill them
>>2822276every technology is a double edged sword. the question is how it is used. you can't "un-invent" a technology. even "lost" or "forgotten" tech is more a matter of it becoming abandoned and irrelevant.
>>2822289>The Palestinian population has increased so to call it a genocide since 1948 would be a mistake.i disagree. just because the population increased during that time doesn't mean there wasn't a broader genocidal effort by the zionist regime to slowly enclose palestinians in a prison where they could be exterminated. that is a genocidal effort.
>>2822280even atoms are social construct. "something exists" is the only true statement. There isn't even a fundamental particular thing which eixsts because particles are just excitations of a universal substrate. Socal constructs are needed to highlight specific aspects of the spacetime phenomenology that is relevant to our immediate purposes, which change over time.
>>2822290>the question is how it is usednot really. the capitalist advances the contradictions of the system itself by deploying new technology
>>2822294Atoms can be modeled with some consensus based on scientific principles, but things like "continents", "races", "genders", etc. can't because they're entirely constructed. If all scientific knowledge was lost, physics, chemistry, and biology would continue to operate based on atomic theory that is now lost, but if the constructs mentioned prior disappeared, absolutely nothing would change except for the way we think about and relate to each other. So no, there is a difference, because not all knowledge can be abstracted into irrelevance.
>tor node gets unbanned
>felix uses it to fedpost
>tor node gets banned again
>repeat over and over
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP THREATENING VIOLENCE EVAN REIF OR I WILL DOX YOUR HOME ADDRESS WITHOUT WARNING, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
>2822289
>The Palestinian population has increased so to call it a genocide since 1948 would be a mistake.
retard
>>2822301iron felix isn't that guy. iron felix just pretends to be that guy. leave that guy alone. i'm not even gonna say his name.
In this thread posters figured out this larping white nationalist twitter girl is photos stolen from an onlyfans girl
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/535719102/white-women-are-waking-uLots of seething and Cope too lol
>>2822319It’s funny though
>>2822332
At least you are doing what you can (whining on leftypol) im sure they are thankful
>>2822279I’ve never been happier to have never had a credit card.
>>2822342
>None of these freaks want a revolution because they understand, deep down in their little black hearts, that they would be the first put up against the wall.
so true, not the bourgeoisie, not the police, not the glowies, not the troops, but checks notes people you personally have a beef with on leftypol dot larp
>>2822342
>CPUSA's Genocide
the US and israeli governments are breathing a sigh of relief that you blame an irrelevant party more than them.
>>2822346
ok then just say the US government
imagine letting a 100 year old, decrepit, dying unarmed, reformist, liberal party with 20,000 members live so rent free in your head that you literally think they're the waffen SS despite being way less relevant, way less militant, and not even a threat to the DNC. imagine being so delusional that you not only see this unarmed, irrelevant party is a bigger threat to Palestine than the US and Israeli military, but you actually think they are responsible for the genocide. Imagine accusing everyone who finds them irrelevant and stupid as secret collaborators. Imagine your entire rhetorical arsenal being kafka traps and larping as the next lenin. no life havin ass
>>2822352
i'm not in the CPUSA nor was i considering joining so maybe lay off the agitprop, you aren't even hitting your target audience. you're just talking to a brick wall.
>>2822342
So again how do you plan on killing 99.9% of the American population while still building communism and improving our quality of life?
>>2822343As Marx famously said, "we call communism the real movement which lets us get revenge on those bitches who argued with us on a dying website"
Posters of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but irrelevant internet arguments! You have a forum to win!
>>2822356
This is just victim blaming
>>2822356
but neither are you, so you only hate yourself
>>2822356
>This is exactly why I hate them.
it's exactly why they are irrelevant and so are you.
>>2822364He's gonna shoot up his local Portland DSA Strasserites any day now! As soon as he works up the courage to actually confront them in the first place
>>2822369Without looking at the structural reasons people don’t “do anything”, Hollywood makes movies like Reds, Malcom X, or Judas and the Black Messiah to dunk on you, to say “try anything and we’ll kill you”.
So with that Google CEO telling college grads essentially they wasted their time and AI is gonna replace them I have to wonder if it’ll be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
Like I think techbros have been huffing their own farts for so long that they genuinely believe their shit about being “disruptors” so they’ll publicly say “we wanna replace humanity with ChatGPT” and then be baffled that anyone opposes it.
>>2822370>Hollywood makes movies like Reds, Malcom X, or Judas and the Black Messiah to dunk on you, to say “try anything and we’ll kill you”.that's also the purpose of Christianity. "A carpenter tried to throw the money lenders out of the temple so we nailed him to a piece of wood in a gesture of comedic irony. Now all his followers wear his emaciated and tortured bodies on little ornaments around their necks but don't follow what he said."
>>2822372I mean I've been seeing lots of videos of commencement speakers at colleges get drowned out by boos every time they praise AI and then looking totally bewildered. The people at the top know it's all bullshit, but it does seem like they've recruited a bunch of useful idiots who genuinely believe the hype. In any case though it's just another sign of the increased proletarianization of the American population, "intellectuals" included
If The Real Aluminum Andrew were in the first international, he would have been August Willich, the guy that tried to kill Marx for being too conservative.
to be fair Willich was based
>>2822373> that's also the purpose of Christianity. "A carpenter tried to throw the money lenders out of the temple so we nailed him to a piece of wood in a gesture of comedic irony. Now all his followers wear his emaciated and tortured bodies on little ornaments around their necks but don't follow what he said."and to top it off they managed to convince those followers to nail anybody to the cross who threatens to throw all the money lenders out again
>>2822380
You still haven't explained how you both plan on killing most of the American population and set up a functional socialist republic in the ashes that improves people's lives
>>2822380
>It might change if there was a militant, independent and principled Communist party to organize these people, but your insane far-right "Communist" party makes sure that won't happen.
Wow it's crazy how these unarmed mensheviks are stopping you from doing bolshevism.
<We are marching in a compact group along a precipitous and difficult path, firmly holding each other by the hand. We are surrounded on all sides by enemies, and we have to advance almost constantly under their fire. We have combined, by a freely adopted decision, for the purpose of fighting the enemy, and not of retreating into the neighbouring marsh, the inhabitants of which, from the very outset, have reproached us with having separated ourselves into an exclusive group and with having chosen the path of struggle instead of the path of conciliation. And now some among us begin to cry out: Let us go into the marsh! And when we begin to shame them, they retort: What backward people you are! Are you not ashamed to deny us the liberty to invite you to take a better road! Oh, yes, gentlemen! You are free not only to invite us, but to go yourselves wherever you will, even into the marsh. In fact, we think that the marsh is your proper place, and we are prepared to render you every assistance to get there. Only let go of our hands, don’t clutch at us and don’t besmirch the grand word freedom, for we too are “free” to go where we please, free to fight not only against the marsh, but also against those who are turning towards the marsh!
This is Lenin, repudiating the anticommunist left in 1901. Compare this with The Terrific Tinfoil Terrence, who today declares for all that the CPUSA is stopping him:
>>2822380
<It might change if there was a militant, independent and principled Communist party to organize these people, but your insane far-right "Communist" party makes sure that won't happen.
>check in
>trolls are holding the thread hostage for the 1,000th time
Stop taking them in good faith
>>2822389Bad faith and bullying are fun and libidinal though
>>2822385
>These unarmed Mensheviks had the best chance anyone has ever had in American history
nobody unarmed has a chance you self contradicting imbecile
>>2822387according to Aluminum Frederick all of Lenin is irrelevant except his specific interpretation of State and Revolution
>>2822392who gives a fuck
>>2822396
Bro your "party" if it even exists is six people who cant even bring themselves to yell at some DSA liberals in Portland, much less wage a revolution. And you expect us to believe that these "cadres" of yours will exterminate 90-99% of the American population and establish a functional communist society in its place, without bothering to tell us how you plan on accomplishing it
>>2822396
>Imagine not understanding that this is literally the purpose of the DNCPUSA. Their job is to hold everyone in the marsh and prevent any progress of the American left.
they aren't that strong. just get up and walk out of the marsh. they aren't stopping you. if a party of 20,000 losers is stopping you, then you're a pussy. Even the Haztards left CPUSA and started ACP. What's stopping you? Because you're a bitch and you'll die seething about CPUSSAY on leftypol dot org.
>>2822404
If you actually believed in what you preach you'd have killed at least a few "revisionists" by now, but again you cant even bring yourself to yell at them in public, much less explain how you plan on killing hundreds of millions of people and simultaneously establishing communism on the ashes
>>2822404
You’re not gonna have s workers movement in a country with no workers
>>2822207The audacity of yank to demand cheaper luxury treats while they commit genocide 🤮 Vidya is bourgeois articles of luxury. Cheapening of luxury articles does not enable the worker to live more cheaply. He require same amount of labor-time to reproduce his labor-power as he did previously if vidya become more expensive.
>>2822372Watch vidrel. If you work for google, you are zionist. If you work for tech, you are zio. Palantir coders are bourgeois. You sow false hope in yank techbro nepobaby ziolabor aristocrats
>>2822402This. Of all the massive obstacles to socialism and proletarian organizing in America, the CPUSA for all its flaws is barely an anthill. If you seriously think they're a bigger problem than the Dems themselves, the two party system in general, the feds and COINTELPRO, right wing militias, yellow unions, the world's largest propaganda network, deindustrialization, general atomization and apathy, etc. then you are a fundamentally unserious person.
>>2822404
kautsky was wrong but lenin overcondemns him; ultimately both came from the 2nd international orthodoxy and shared many things in common even if kautsky ultimately betrayed the goal
>>2822415Ah but have you considered you have basic military training and therefor are part of the 99.9% of westerners who are ontologically evil?
>>2822374See I tend to think of the ruling class as being more incompetent than scheming. I don’t think there’s a hidden plan they’ve thought out with AI—I mean look at Elon Musk, he’s the richest man on earth and a dumbass!
I think there’s no plan beyond “AI will make line go up and we can cut out all those pesky labor costs!” So they’re stunned that people don’t sympathize with that. It’s kind of like how when that Techbro died in San Francisco part of the griping that other Tech Bros did was “Don’t you know this guy found a new way to show advertisements? He was so innovative! Why don’t you care?!”
>surely the problem is this group of a few thousand people, not the hundreds of billions of dollars going towards brainwashing hundreds of millions of people
The amount of circlejerking over leftist strategy is so tiresome.
It's like lab rats arguing over which button to press.
>>2822414lol he got hired because he's a weird ambiguous mix of black asian and mexican non-white and gay-voiced lol. The perfect candidate!
that's the communist heating devices, we're going to use them as fuel for the regrowth of our nation!
>>2822422>See I tend to think of the ruling class as being more incompetentwhat's with this underestimation?
holly shit.
they aren't morons, they aren't incompetents. they have armies of advisors, direct access to intelligence agencies, spying networks, simps, etc.
>>2822290AI doesn't even do 1/100'th of what it's supposedly doing.
all that's happening is a huge scam is going on while a bunch of people use a tool they don't like that makes them stupid.
>>2822425A lot of this is simply the result of dogmatism tbh. Many communists are still reading stuff from there era of Lenin and Stalin, which is a good thing of course. However, they're misapplying their critiques of social democracy to conditions which are entirely different and where that analysis breaks down. Lenin or Stalin to talked about social democracy as falsifiers of Marxism, the left wing of capital, the agents of the labour aristocracy, the moderate wing of fascism, etc. All of that made sense in a context where revolution had proven to be an immediate possibility, where there was a large and militant worker's movement with political consciousness and organization, but where half or more of that movement was captured by a social democracy that was actively opposed to revolution. In such a situation, its pretty obvious why Lenin and Stalin's critiques made sense. The workers quite literally had all the tools they needed to take power, what they were missing was the resolve and will to cross the metaphorical Rubicon, and it was social democracy that was dilligently working to corrode that resolve in favour of far less potent action. This is why it made sense to call social democracy the moderate wing of fascism, because all it would've taken for revolution to be within reach would be for the social democrats to come over to the revolutionary camp, and bring their millions of proletarian supporters with them. That simply is no longer the case. The worker's movement is in shambles, its numbers are small, its organization weak, its political consciousness atrophied. If the worker's movement as a whole is weak and impotent, then it doesn't matter whether it is communist or social democratic, revolutionary or reformist, radical or moderate, anti-imperialist or pro-imperislist. It remains equally inept in all cases. It's like arguing about whether or not to go on strike before you've even unionized a workplace. We need to rebuild the worker's movement in order for the question of communism vs social democracy to even be relevant again, because this is ultimately a question of how to direct the energy and power of an organized working class. We need a movement before we can even ask this question.
>>2822393>describing is demandingI think you're actually just very dumb
>>2822422>See I tend to think of the ruling class as being more incompetent than scheming.The irony is palpable. Your plan is to vote for platner. The bourgeoisie's plans are far more devious than you could fathom. You are pawn in it.
>>2822377If they manged to somehow replace most human workers with robots and then killed off the former workers it wouldn't make them poor. They would just end up achieving communism but with 99% of humanity killed off.
>>2822435Just because it's being overhyped right now doesn't mean it wont change the economy or have the potential to alter it further. Pretending this technology cant chance anything is liberal cope.
Chemical weapons are gonna be legalized to fight Iran
>WASHINGTON - In July 2023, the United States military destroyed the last of its chemical munitions at the Blue Grass Army Depot in Kentucky, officially marking the end of a three-decade disarmament process. While the Biden administration hailed the event as a "milestone" for global peace, a growing chorus of national security hawks and strategic analysts are sounding the alarm: America has unilaterally disarmed a critical tier of its arsenal while its most dangerous adversaries - Russia, China, and Iran - continue to refine and deploy chemical agents with impunity. As the "Rules-Based International Order" crumbles under the weight of state-sponsored chemical attacks in Ukraine and the Middle East, the argument for the U.S. to abandon the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) and resume production is no longer a fringe theory - it is a strategic necessity for survival.
>The Myth of Global Compliance: “If Others Can Cheat, We Shouldn’t Self-Restrict”
>In May 2024, the U.S. State Department issued a formal determination that Russia has used the chemical weapon chloropicrin - a choking agent - against Ukrainian forces. This follows the high-profile use of Novichok nerve agents in the attempted assassinations of Sergei Skripal and Alexei Navalny. "The use of such chemicals is not an isolated incident," the State Department noted, describing a Russian strategy to dislodge troops from fortified positions using prohibited toxins.
>The pattern of "cheating" is not confined to Moscow. In July 2024, the U.S. Treasury sanctioned the Hakiman Shargh Research Company for its role in Iran's chemical weapons research and development. China, too, remains under intense scrutiny for its lack of transparency regarding "pharmaceutical-based agents" (PBAs) that could be used for military purposes. If the world’s most predatory regimes are maintaining and using these weapons, the U.S. policy of total abandonment begins to look less like moral leadership and more like strategic blindness. Proponents of a new American chemical doctrine argue a simple truth: “If others can cheat, we shouldn’t self-restrict.”
>Closing the Escalation Gap: Preventing the Nuclear "Jump"
>One of the most compelling arguments for a renewed U.S. chemical program is the "missing rung" on the escalation ladder. Currently, if an adversary like China or Russia uses chemical agents to overwhelm U.S. or allied conventional forces, Washington is left with a binary, and equally unappealing, choice: respond with conventional forces that may be ill-equipped for a contaminated battlefield, or escalate directly to nuclear weapons.
>Strategic analysts suggest that a proportional chemical deterrent provides a necessary middle ground. "If escalation occurs, having chemical options might reduce pressure to jump directly to nuclear weapons," experts argue. By maintaining an "in-kind" retaliatory capability, the U.S. can deter a chemical first-strike without being forced into a nuclear exchange that could end civilization. Without a chemical option, the U.S. essentially tells its enemies that they can use "low-level" weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) without fearing a proportional response, thereby lowering the threshold for their use.
>Peace Through Strength: Deterring Coercion
>The ultimate goal of any weapon of mass destruction in the American arsenal is to ensure it is never used. However, the paradox of deterrence is that a weapon only prevents war if the enemy believes you are willing and able to use it. By destroying its entire stockpile, the U.S. has removed the threat of retaliation, effectively inviting adversaries to use chemical coercion during a crisis.
>“We don’t want to use them - but if we don’t have them, we invite coercion or escalation from adversaries who do,” is the mantra of those calling for a CWC withdrawal. In a potential conflict over the Taiwan Strait or the Suwalki Gap, the lack of a chemical deterrent gives Beijing and Moscow a tactical advantage. They can threaten the use of non-persistent nerve agents to paralyze logistics hubs or carrier groups, knowing that the U.S. has no way to respond in kind.
>A Balanced Perspective: The Risks of Realignment
>Critics of this "re-chemicalization" argue that withdrawing from the CWC would damage America's international standing and spark a global arms race. They point to the 193 nations that have ratified the treaty as proof that the norm against chemical warfare is worth preserving. Secretary of State Antony Blinken previously stated that the destruction of the U.S. stockpile demonstrated the "vital role of international cooperation and transparency."
>However, the "norm" against chemical weapons is already dead in the trenches of Donbas and the secret labs of Tehran. A treaty that only binds the hands of the virtuous while the wicked sharpen their knives is not a security agreement - it is a suicide pact. While the environmental and political costs of restarting a chemical program would be significant, they pale in comparison to the cost of losing a major conflict because our troops were exposed to toxins.
>Reclaiming the Deterrent
>The United States has spent thirty years trying to lead by example, hoping that a world without American chemical weapons would be a world without chemical weapons entirely. >The reality of 2025 has proven that hope is not a strategy. With Russia deploying choking agents on the battlefield and Iran's research facilities humming with activity, the Chemical Weapons Convention has failed its primary mission.
>To protect American interests and prevent a catastrophic leap to nuclear war, Washington must face the uncomfortable truth: a credible, modern chemical deterrent is the only language our adversaries respect. It is time to stop the self-restriction, close the escalation gap, and ensure that the U.S. is never again left vulnerable to the toxic ambitions of its enemies. Peace is maintained not by treaties alone, but by the strength to ensure that any attack on the United States is met with a response so certain and proportional that the attack is never launched in the first place.
We’re gonna pull out of the UN and NATO like Nippon leaving the League of Nations
>>2822276>being anti-AI is reactionaryI don't care, Techbros get the fucking guillotine.
Thoughts on aria gallindo or whatever her name is she’s seems be to be a Democrat?
>>2822246Because labor is a bit less focused on idpol and culture war issues which causes them to be a bit more socially conservative because your average brainwashed wagie doesn’t understand that team blue isnt the same as actual social progressivism
>>2822446>Pretending this technology cant chance anything is liberal cope.Ultimately we don't actually know how far this can go and whether it will ever be anything more than what it is now. There have been times in the past where a technology emerged and was hyped up and said to be able to accomplish basically anything, only for it to fall far short of that. Nuclear fission is a great example. All through the 40s and 50s you had people peddling fanciful ideas about using nuclear energy to power household items, using nuclear bombs for engineering and infrastructure projects, etc. None of that came to fruition despite the hype. Then again, sometimes you have a situation where a genuinely impactful technology gets overhyped before its fully developed, but later on eventually does live up to its potential. The internet is a good example of that, eating shit with the dotcom crash and then returning to become immensely influential.
>>2822439reminder that animals on average live longer in a zoo than they do in the wild.
>>2822454chat gpt, how do i build a guillotine?
By the time any of these data centers are operational the GPUs they run on will be outdated and the whole thing collapses
>>2822448link? i can't find this article
OpenGayI will fail to go public and take the entire economy with it, at that point the US attempts invading Canada and Greenland after losing in Iran and Cuba. After that failure is a military coup followed by Texan and California breaking from the Union with Chinese and Russian diplomatic and military support.
>>2822465>AI text to speech has several meltdownsnot unheard of. I've fucked with elevenlabs before to make audiobooks and I've had it work for thousands of words in a row only to have it randomly break down like that.
that's why you gotta vet your slop before you upload it. The AI might have a nicer voice than you for some lines, but you gotta make sure it's functioning. For the 1000th time… automation always requires human oversight. Until we have literal artificial brains capable of self direction and evolution. Then you have a machine with its own material interests that is also capable of class struggle.
>>2822407>the founder gambled away all the fundsHahaha oh no! Looked up the CPUSA-ML's document expelling him is on Marxists.org
<When Mr. Laski did not get his way in political discussions, he did such uncomradely acts as throwing objects at comrades, wrecking pieces of equipment owned by the Party (smashing a typewriter and a telephone, on different occasions, and throwing gasoline on an offset press), threatening a member of the Central Committee with a loaded shotgun on one occasion, and with a loaded pistol on another occasion, firing pistols into the air at Secretariat meetings, and acting on a small scale like a putchist, although, more pathetically, he was like a frustrated child.
<A further example of Mr. Laski’s subjectivism was his taking of almost all of the Party’s funds and gambling with them while traveling through Nevada – avowedly for the purpose of raising funds for the Party – losing, every penny in the effort. To compound this crime, he never admitted his actions until a year after the event, and even then he mentioned only one instance of gambling, and the Party had evidence of his gambling in Nevada on at least two other occasions.https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/1960-1970/laskiexpulsion.htm >>2822482lol the new man is an austin hipster faggot shitware developer y'all. believe it or not 220k is the standard non-exploitative wage for 40hr-week work. this man is not exploited for his work.
>>2822491No one in the US is exploited, all exploitation was exported to the periphery
>>2822491>the new man is not exploitedtrue and based
>>2822497>all exploitation was exported to the peripherythey should have a revolution about it
>>2822497trve, which is how a mom and pop shop that hires 3 people can make a profit
>>2822499They’d rather move here and avoid the problem entirely
>>2822505He’s basically a poster here
>>2822505Everyone wants to be the next Lenin, no one wants to be the conscript or low ranking party bureaucrat.
>>2822472There's really no reason for it not to go public. There have already been countless pre-ipo funding rounds and investors. The IPO is the exit road for those early investors so they can cash out. What you'll want to really watch for is 180 days after it's listed on the stock exchange, because that's when the lockup for those investors will expire.
>>2822510For good reasons tbh
>>2822433dNot that they aren't evil, but they ARE discernably retarded to the point of getting darwin awards.
>>2822446>Just because it's being overhyped right now doesn't mean it wont change the economy or have the potential to alter it further. Pretending this technology cant chance anything is liberal cope.
I've been watching the reports on the numbers and most of it is an issue of moderate insanity where, outside of
advertising, nobody who actually uses it has managed to report significantly better productivity, but they're forced to use it because it's what investors
think is going to be The Next Big Thing. There will be at most some
mild cheapening of labor in software and advertising but it's not going to be much compared to the extremely high ongoing costs of using GAN's.
This also doesn't address the issue of model collapse which is literally an example of tragedy of the commons, the retards have poisoned the very well they drink out of by shitting in it.
>>2822510I would gladly be the low ranking bureaucrat the issue is nobody actually has the balls to do lenin shit for me to follow
>>2822526It's even better than I remembered.
If the USA successfully invades and occupies Cuba. Their signature export will go from doctors to child sex slaves. While it seems like such an invasion would be an easy win. Hell I wouldn't be surprise if they just do it to salvage their image as a military power after their humiliation at the hands of Iran. I can't help but hope that they will fuck it up somehow. Or it turns out Cuba has a shitton of Shaheds stored somewhere and they pepper the American southeast with them, inflicting a lot more damage than expected before they go down.
>>2822517It depends on how soon the bubble around data center construction holds, which is bubble inside of a bubble. The GPUs they’re taking years to install in these data centers are guaranteed to be outdated by the time they’re operational.
>>2822557Khruschev should have kept the nukes in Cuba
>>2822557It’s gonna be like Iraq but humid and with mountains, do you know how much worse of a terrain Iraq is for guerrilla warfare than anywhere in Latin America? The US cannot sustain casualties and US attacks only ever create a rally around the flag effect
>>2822560And invaded Pakistan
>>2822557Cuba unlike Venezuela has a deep state that is pretty coodinated. If this was any country in Latin America what Cuba was going through the entire government would have had some military coup by a general who sold out to the Americans. Cuba has contingency plans since 1992 after the collapse of the USSR in the event that the USA decides to go another round. Guerilla warfare will be rampant with the population being sympathetic to the guerillas. Not only that but the American capitalist carpetbaggers and the Gusanos flooding in will lead to even further resentment. In short, it will actually backfire and end up like Bay of Pigs 2.0. Ironically Obama was much more dangerous to Cuba and Iran than Trump in terms of strategy to reel them in
>>2822510>Everyone wants to be the next LeninNobody wants to do that either
>>2822558The real concern with data centers is overcapacity and there not being enough demand. GPUs being outdated doesn't stop them from working, they're just not efficient as modern chipsets. What's strange with openai is that they don't own any data centers, but lease their from their investors like microsoft, but microsoft is also their competitor because they're building their own products to compete with openais.
>>2822640I don't think that's true.
I've seen enough communist sectarianism online….. tihs tiktoker named Ash ☭ harassed a Canadian comrade named Millennial Chaos. and all for what? for fucking internet drama views? never ever again I viewed another sh "☭" video.
MC sin? defend the DPRK from blantant lies. her reaction? muh dictator.
like what are you wasting time on that? get a fucking socialist revolution. when you do so, you are allowed to eve sketch the idea of a criticism.
but no, she wants to be Lenin.
and that's everywhere.
>>2822651the real concern is the destruction of the environment which will make earth even more rapidly unlivable
>>2822659I was talking about the IPO and an economic bubble with that anon. I literally couldn't give a shit to have a discussion about whatever the fuck you want to talk about while millions are still streaming 4k video of their favorite slop while scrolling tiktok and ordering ubereats which all need data centers to function.
>>2822659GAN AI is literally not going to be able to cause enough damage because from a software perspective it's going to kill itself before that point.
So what have you done for Communism this week?
>>2822711Posted 1000 times, read 10 pages of theory
>>2822446>Pretending this technology cant chance anything is liberal cope.Pretending this “technology” is the singularity is the liberal cope.
>>2822711Screamed "Kill yourselves, labor aristocrats!" at random Amerikkkans. I think I made a little girl cry. Serves her settler ass right.
>>2822729America created Japan and Korea's economies based on its own hyper-capitalist model.
>>2822725Based Spurdo anon.
>>2822729Canada looks good on these stats since they kill all their poor pensioners with legalized euthanasia. Same for the Netherlands btw.
>>2822734and yet in europe pensioners hold the most political power anyway. curious!
>>2822737The stronger pensioners kill the weaker ones.
>>2822737The rich pensioners don't feel compelled to commit suicide since they're wealthy, obviously. It's only the poor ones offing themselves. This is one of the factors behind why the pensioner/boomer generation is so reactionary.
>>2822730It is not the fucking cotton gin, do not give me that bullshit. Stepping stone at best.
>>2822726Not explicitly
>>2822734How many have actually been euthanised? Surely not millions. That's how much it would take to go from where USA is to where Canada is.
>>2822744doesnt exactly explain why rich pensioners have power in europe but not in america or asia where way more are still alive to outvote the young
>>2822747hes overstating the euthanasia thing
>>2822745AI and data collection isnt capitalism, its a newer more advanced mode of production. How? Because when my data is appropriated online there are neither profits nor market forces at play. It's a rentier relationship not a wage labor relationship
>>2822754>AI and data collection isnt capitalism, its a newer more advanced mode of production. It is neither. “Ai” is nothing more than a product of capitalist delusion and arrogance, a collection of faulty and misunderstood technologies aimed at empowering the bourgeoisie further. They are a modern equivalent of pyramids in my eyes.
Data collection is not a specific technology, is a collection of technologies currently being weaponized against the proletariat, albeit in an incompetent manner.
>Because when my data is appropriated online there are neither profits nor market forces at playThe data market is very much real, just not easily accessible to you.
>It's a rentier relationship not a wage labor relationshipOh look, a “neo-feudalist” that can’t read. How typical.
>>2822764>The data market is very much real, just not easily accessible to you.my point was I have no option of picking or choosing who I can sell my data value to like the choice I have in selling my labor to someone for a wage, there's no labor market like capitalism has. AND theres no wages, therefore, no consumption. try reading marx
>>2822773>my point was I have no option of picking or choosing who I can sell my data value to likeIrrelevant. Slavery is perfectly compatible with capitalism
>there's no labor market like capitalism hasThe destruction of the labor market does not mean departure from the capitalist system.
>AND theres no wages, therefore, no consumptionAnd therefore have a starving alienated proletariat instead of your desired peasants
>>2822754That's just a weaker version of Yanis Varoufakis's technofeudalism idea. But wage labor, capital, surplus value, and commodity production define most of the commodity, and definitely the important parts of the economy. Your food isn't being grown or prepared in data centers. Your fridge and microwave weren't made by AI.
>>2822502so the problem is going away one way or the other, and those who want nuclear war about it are a slim minority of schizos
>>2822782>Slavery is perfectly compatible with capitalism no it isn't. read marx
>The destruction of the labor market does not mean departure from the capitalist systemyes it does. read marx
>>2822783You forget capitalism is a GLOBAL system. There could be 0 capitalist jobs left in america with 350 million data producing peasants and they could all be fed with outside (still capitalist produced) commodities from the outside world pillaged through imperialism
>>2822789>You forget capitalism is a GLOBAL system. There could be 0 capitalist jobs left in america with 350 million data producing peasants and they could all be fed with outside (still capitalist produced) commodities from the outside world pillaged through imperialismI didn't "forget" anything. you're not tearing down my point, you're reinforcing it. that proves we're not in a new mode of production, it just proves that commodity production and exploitation of the proletariat take place elsewhere
>>2822789>no it isn't. read marxanyone who spams "read marx" but does not have the relevant passage ready probably hasn't read marx. that being said, marx isn't god and that anon is correct. Slavery is perfectly compatible with capitalism. Source? Look the fuck around. North and South America had slavery well into the industrial revolution, with an industrial proletariat and an agrarian slave population often co-existing in the same country. And today, the US prison system is just disguised slavery, since there is still convict labor.
>but the convict labor is paid.cents per hour. really most people leave prison in debt because in most states they are charged room and board far above what they make as a prison slave. So really they're even worse than a slave. They work in captivity and lose money at the same time. A classic slave has no debt because he has no personhood. The American prison slave can go into debt while working for free.
>>2822797>capitalist society is actually le SLAVE SOCIETY!!!!historical materialism has left the chat
>>2822789>no it isn'tYes, it is.
>The contract by which he sold his labour-power to the capitalist proved in black and white, so to speak, that he was free to dispose of himself. But when the transaction was concluded, it was discovered that he was no 'free agent', that the period of time for which he is free to sell his labour-power is the period of time for which he forced to sell it>To say that "the worker has an interest in the rapid growth of capital", means only this: that the more speedily the worker augments the wealth of the capitalist, the larger will be the crumbs which fall to him, the greater will be the number of workers than can be called into existence, the more can the mass of slaves dependent upon capital be increased.
>Growth of productive capital and rise of wages, are they really so indissolubly united as the bourgeois economists maintain? We must not believe their mere words. We dare not believe them even when they claim that the fatter capital is the more will its slave be pampered. The bourgeoisie is too much enlightened, it keeps its accounts much too carefully, to share the prejudices of the feudal lord, who makes an ostentatious display of the magnificence of his retinue. The conditions of existence of the bourgeoisie compel it to attend carefully to its bookkeeping.>yes it does.It does not. The rest of the proletariat merely joins the reserve army of labor. Neo Feudalism is not achieved.
You start out in 2014 by saying, “Wagie, wagie, wagie.” By 2026 you can’t say “wagie”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, outsourcing, automation, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about expanding the reserve army of labor, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, workers get hurt worse than porkies.… “We want to privatize this,” is much more abstract than even the outsourcing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “wagie, wagie.”
>>2822801>the laborer is compelled to sell his labor therefore capitalism is economically exactly the same as the slave society of ancient rome. if you really think about theres no actual difference between any mode of production, you imbecile, you fucking moronread marx
>>2822807That is Marx. And no one said that stupid shit either.
>>2822807the differences between modes of production really are just how effectively and efficiently they move around chunks of matter rather than a serious difference between wage worker vs a slave.
>>2822372Unless you start going Hitler mode on these k*kes it's all for nowt
>>2822814nonsense. the whole of society changes and assumes more advanced forms around the mode of production. what are you trying to say here, that there's no real difference in the life of an american barista and a wheat slave that exists outside of roman society?
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