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>>2822175 >>2824350 (posting this here)
>As a construct, there was surely a time without it.Some evolutionary scientists point out the reason humans domesticated themselves is because people who displayed certain behaviour were either killed or women refused to breed with them. An argument can be made that this is partily where morality came from.
So eh, I would say morality represents something deeper even if the idea is a construct
>>2824358I think morality has both inherent and cultural elements to it, I don't think there has ever been a society where randomly killing a child was seen as moral for exemple. Morals are necessary to live in a structured society.
>>2824359>I don't think there has ever been a society where randomly killing a child was seen as moral for exemple. Morals are necessary to live in a structured society.yup
>>2824359>I don't think there has ever been a society where randomly killing a child was seen as moral for exemplesure about that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Llullaillaco >>2824359>I don't think there has ever been a society where randomly killing a child was seen as moral for exempleIn Numbers, Moses commands the Israelites to kill all of the men, woman, and boys of the Midianites and to sacrifice a portion of the girls to the Lord.
>>2824362pretty sure in numbers they keep the girls as sex slaves
>>2824361>>2824362are you two ignoring the part of anons comment where he typed random?
>>2824361>>2824362Human sacrifices serve a religious purpouse, the idea being to please vengeful gods.
As for war time violence, it's often to punish a nation viewed as the ennemy.
There obviously have been plenty of exemples of normalised violence against children, but they usually justified it in some ways, showing that even in these societies the purely random killing of a child was viewed as immoral.
>>2824364human sacrifice to the gods is pretty random. there's no reason for it other than to satisfy the bloodthirsty imaginary friends your ruling class made up in the first place.
>>2824364>randomthis does the heavy lifting. of course people have to make up a fake reason first.
>>2824366>>2824367The point is that they had to make up some sorta justification for it, in order to do it. There had to be specific circumstances, rules and etc to justify such killings
Which shows the society probably had taboos against trully random, unjustified killing of children. You couldnt just randomly go up to some random child and smash their head in. That would have gotten you in trouble
>>2824363They keep most of the girls as slaves, but Moses demands that a portion of all of the captured spoils be sacrificed. Meaning a portion of the oxen, donkeys, and the girls.
>>2824365If all reasons for why an action would be explainable in the cultural context are stripped away, you're left with that action when its harmful to that society (in this case, it leaving a family without their offspring which they would use to pass down property or continue their father's laboring role) so obviously it would be wrong.
>>2824366They actually believed in the gods, the ruling class didn't make them up, religion predates the birth of the ruling classes. They did think that their actions were justified in order to improve the situation.
>>2824367If they have to make up a reason that means it was seen as immoral to do it.
In our society, there are some context where killing someone is seen as acceptable (typically war) but you can't just go around and murder someone.
>>2824368it's less that there's established taboos, and more that, in a state of nature, people just defend themselves and people that they like. the morality is emergent from the circumstances rather than a fully formed system that is consistent or coherent
>>2824338I don't agree. The idea that Marx entirely rejected ethics or the idea of morality is a myth. He rejected the liberal conception of it but not the idea altogether, because at some point everything does amount to what you would consider a mental creation - yet material reality and the mind are directly interconnected!
>The production of ideas, of conceptions, of consciousness, is at first directly interwoven with the material activity and the material intercourse of men, the language of real life. Conceiving, thinking, the mental intercourse of men, appear at this stage as the direct efflux of their material behavior. The same applies to mental production as expressed in the language of the politics, laws, morality, religion, metaphysics of a people. Men are the producers of their conceptions, ideas, etc.—real, active men, as they are conditioned by a definite development of their productive forces and of the intercourse corresponding to these, up to its furthest forms.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htmAKA morals/normative claims and other mental constructs are created through the interplay between the base and superstructure of one's material environment. Human agency and the workers' need for a form of collective action to exercise this agency is why the class struggle begins with the individual but moves on to the group - otherwise why shouldn't we struggle on our own personal, individual terrains for our own personal desires as in individualist, egoist anarchism, rather than fighting for and as a social entity for "socialism"? You use Stirner's terms to rebut the idea of being able to make normative claims even though Marx refuted him in The German Ideology.
>The local Berlin conclusion of our valiant saint — that in Hegelian philosophy the world has “all gone” — enables him now without much expense to arrive at a universal empire of his “own”. The Hegelian philosophy transformed everything into thought, into the holy, into apparition, into spirit, into spirits, into spectres. “Stirner” will fight against them, he will conquer them in his imagination and will erect on their dead bodies his “own”, “unique”, “corporeal” empire, the empire of the “whole fellow”. Now “Stirner” has his “feet shod with the preparation” for waging the fight against thoughts. He has no need first to “take the shield of faith”, for he has never laid it down. Armed with the “helmet” of disaster and the “sword” of spiritlessness (see ibid.), he goes into battle. “And it was given unto him to make war with the holy” but not “to overcome” it. (Revelation of St. John 13:7)https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch03c.htm<A consequence of this assumption is brought out in Marx’s critique of Max Stirner’s anarchism. In The Ego and His Own (1844) Stirner set out to deny the “truth” of concepts such as nation, state, god, humanity, etc., which had up to that point, he claimed, ruled over individuals through the mechanism of moral ideology. He dismissed any movement, including communism, which sought to overcome egoism as but a new version of authoritarian moralism. [50] In a devastating critique of this argument Marx argued that Stirner was unable to conceptualise community except as a moral imposition upon individuals because he believed that modern egoism was a universal fact of human nature. [51] This assumption informed Stirner’s belief that the concept of workers’ solidarity was “quite incomprehensible”. By contrast, Marx showed that because egoistic and more social forms of individualism had emerged in the modern world, morality, as it was understood by Stirner, was an essential authoritarian characteristic only of bourgeois communities. Alternatively, Marx argued, because solidarity had become a real need for workers, there was no need to impose the idea of community on them. This is why, in stark contrast to modern liberal criticisms of the implicit authoritarianism of his ideas [52], he claimed that “communists do not preach morality”. [53] Marx insists that it is a mistake to reduce all modern forms of individualism to the egoistic type. Collective revolts against capital expose the limitations of the liberal concept of freedom while expressing the deep, shared and growing need for solidarity that could provide a concrete content to a new form of social individuality. It is from this perspective that he concretises the abstract idea of freedom by asking “Whose freedom?” [54]https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/isj2/2008/isj2-120/blackledge.html >>2824371>If they have to make up a reason that means it was seen as immoral to do it. Its not a "made up" reason, that is simply why they did it. Baby killing is not inherently morally wrong if every time its convenient for a society to do it historically, it gets the ordainment by God every time.
>>2824372>in a state of nature, people just defend themselves and people that they like. Hmm, I suppose that could fit with my view
>>2824358 that morality is a reflection of the human domestication process. After all, moral taboos does discourage certain behaviours that threaten other members in the group, a lot of the time. Disadvantaging members of the group that display such dangerous behaviours towards others, while supporting members that display the more pro-social behaviours.
Tho this is why i dont dismiss morality. I view morality as a reflection of this greater process that allowed human society to emerge in the first place
>>2824375That they need an ordainment from God shows that generally the society doesn't approuve of child murder, but only in exceptional circumstances (war, famine, sacrifices) you don't need a special exception from god for things that aren't considered immoral.
>>2824373Just as an addendum, I agree with the obvious statement that socialism is materialist and therefore not "ought" to be pursued based on a liberal idea of moralism, I'm simply stating that Marx doesn't reject the entire idea of morality as a whole. He's just saying that we shouldn't be applying it in an analysis of the real movement because it results in distorted misconception that society is held together by morality and not material conditions. Hence why he says "The Communists do not preach morality at all." He doesn't say "The Communists disregard the idea of morality at all", just that they don't "preach" it as the basis of socialism.
>>2824382if you take moralism and strip out all the societal utility, what is left exactly? religion? metaphysical nonsense?
there's just no purpose to it if you can't formulate a position for why x is bad based purely on the material. so there's no reason to ever consider morality in your thought process unless you can't think of anything better. this is effective at domesticating the lumpens whom cannot easily grasp philosophy or social sciences so "morality" is like a cheat code to make them behave without needing a years long reeducation. but for actual political theory or social policy it's fucking useless.
this isn't to say you shouldn't have empathy in everything you do, but that it should be grounded in reality and not some mystical moral code.
>>2824359this is the most delusional radlibery thing I've seen this month in lpol. and that topples some pendejadas from some ultras in X.
Morality isn't guided by cultural elements.
moral is guided by the modes of production and the ruling class that controls it. they decide what's moral, and what's not.
>I don't think there has ever been a society where randomly killing a child was seen as moral for exemplein every single war, the killing of the 'enemy children' was always morally justified, and even morally encouraged.
>>2824393fair enough cultural wasn't the right term, but I meant more like contextual, I disagree that its solely the ruling class that decides morals however, you had plenty of ruling classes overthrown who were declared as being "immoral" now I agree that it's not the actual reason they were overthrown, but it still shows that the ruling class didn't have sole oversight over what is moral or not.
The murder of children in war isn't a random killing, I'm talking about just randomly killing a child, like you'd with a mosquito. I don't think any society does that, when children are killed there is always a moral justification afterwards (god told me, they were vermins, we had to) this shows that we don't consider killing children as a moral act by itself. No one bothers creating justifications for the killing of insects.
I think it's because killing the young is generally a very stupid and dangerous think to do for a society and will simply lead to its extinction.
>>2824398>>2824393>moral is guided by the modes of production and the ruling class that controls it. they decide what's moral, and what's not.Im pretty sure morality also emerged as a useful tool to discourage neighbors from just killing or hurting each other. If you had a group of people of the same class living next each other, then people would probably form rules, and etc to ensure stability and coordination. Morality could just be something that naturally emerges from that type of situation as another support pillar of stability and coordination.
>>2824393>>2824393>moral is guided by the modes of production and the ruling class that controls it. they decidewhat's moral, and what's not the idea of the superstructure claims that all other social constructs (ie social relations. culture, norms, arts, education) are influenced primarily by the mode of production. but that doesn't mean that these things cant have an influence on their own, or that they are entirely subordinate to that ModeOP. in certain societies, people have different levels of adherence to their cultural beliefs, and not all societies will develop the same or even similar cultural or social relations despite having the same Mode of Prod. generally speaking, you are right of course, the mode is the strongest and most important factor in determining it, but I just wanted to remind of the nuance that does exist
I dont agree with the ruling class set morality idea because we know tribal societies have morals. And a lot of these tribal societies didnt exactly have the class dynamics that we know of
I do agree tho that the means of production does heavily influence morality.
>>2824411but exactly, their lack of production is what leads to their morals, and norms. we're not saying that the existence of morals/norms itself is only driven by capitalists, we're just saying the specific aspects of those moral codes are driven largely by mode of production. the natives who were hunter gatherers had cultures that reflected that free spirited life. even animals have 'morals', but those morals are just norms where they don't kill each other or harm each other because they want to survive. essentially it all comes down to survival instinct, and our survival is determined by production. hence why that ends up influencing our culture so much
>>2824359https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheim_(archaeological_site)<The human remains and pottery were primarily shattered and dispersed within the pits, rarely intact or in anatomical position. Using a quantification process known as "minimum number of individuals" (MNI), researchers concluded that the site contained at least 500 individual humans ranging from newborns to the elderly.The Linear Pottery Culture ate babies just for the hell of it, and in the Congo they preferred to eat children because their flesh was said to be the most delicious. I can think of no more random reason to kill someone than hunger.
>>2824359Even apes display some sense of morality and fairness. Just because it varies so wildly doesn't mean there was a time without it, at least not unless you go back to before modern homo sapiens.
>>2824359Lol our society right now thinks killing thousands of children is perfectly moral and should in fact be supported with literal billions of dollars
>>2824482>our societyWeird way to spell a handful of degenerate rich pedophiles. Almost the entire world is horrified by what's been happening and hates the people doing it.
>>2824482Do you think the deaths of Japanese and German children in WW2 was also immoral? If yes, do you think the Allies, including the Soviet Union, should be condemned for it? Or does some nuance automatically enter the discussion here?
>>2824449GTA VI is going to suck but the fans are going to be so thirsty a few years post launch they'll retrospectively canonize it as a classic the same way revisionism turned GTA V from a technological downgrade with cartoon car physics and a slow boring plot full of boring unlikable and literally interchangable characters into the most influential title in gaming with a suspenseful narrative that rivals landmark television serials like the sopranos.
>>2824484Even the majority of Israelis see Gaza civilian deaths as an unfortunate consequence of a war. They don't celebrate it, and morally condemn it.
>>2824495So you celebrate the deaths of German and Japanese children in WW2. What happened to all the yapping about morality?
>>2824497>haaretzYawn
>56 percent favored expelling Palestinian citizens of IsraelSo half of Israelis want the people wanting them genocided to continue being citizens. That just shows their magnanimity, and frankly, a dash of suicidal empathy.
>>2824501I agree with that quote. There are a lot more atheists in Israel than Palestine. Advantage Israel. Its good for Palestinians themselves to be absorbed and turned into secular atheist liberals.
>>2824499Damn, doubling down on cheering the deaths of hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese kids. That's pretty hardcore.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2824505Yeah I mean turns out when you reduce Palestine to rubble there isnt a lot of people left in it, who knew.
Israel will also be nothing but rubble within a decade you shit rat.
either thinly veiled troll or inbred psychopath
>>2824501>collective guilt>sins of the father=sins of the sonZionists treating Palestinians be like, we agree!!!!
>>2824510>TIL the palestian's have a bougie society and dont instead live in an open air concentration campnot very smart are you
>>2824512Doesn't exactly disprove the idea that these justifications you deploy against israel are literally the SAME ones zionists use to justify their cleansing of Gaza and by doing so you legitimize what they do and what they say. Get better material reactionary retard
>>2824484The ruling class' ideology is the ruling ideology of society, pretty simple stuff. Coping about how it's not "our" society because it's run by billionaire pedophiles is idealist nonsense. Yes that is our society, sorry to be the bearer of bad news I guess
>Almost the entire world is horrified by what's been happening and hates the people doing it.No they don't, the majority either don't care or support it
>>2824485Look at this guy jumping at the chance to defend the mass slaughter of children on the basis of their race by comparing them to the children of nazi fascists lol. A perfect example of what Im talking about
The point is also not whether I think that killing children is bad or not. But that the anon I responded to used it as some signifier of universal morality, literally saying " I don't think there has ever been a society where randomly killing a child was seen as moral for exemple" when factually it is considered totally morality justifiable to kill children in many societies, including the one we inhabit right now
>>2824498>No argthought so
>>2824508>Israel will also be nothing but rubble within a decade you shit rat.I don't care what happens to Israel. As an atheist, turning the Temple Mount into rubble would be glorious.
>>2824505kill yourself ziorat
>>2824515I live in a country that is cordial with Iran. I still don't care about Palestinian nationalism. It's better for Iranians if their country goes Iran First instead of wasting money on funding reactionary terrorists all over the Middle East. After full communism is achieved, nations won't exist anyway.
>>2824524Im sure that will go well when the US has a permanent settler-colonialist and genocidal military base stationed in Isreal that it uses to project power all over the middle east
>>2824519>The ruling class' ideology is the ruling ideology of society, pretty simple stuff.That's only true to a point. There are obvious limitations to what people will accept, and if this were not the case then revolutions would never happen. The ruling class framing on Gaza is very obviously not accepted by the majority of the population even in the West. That's why their main strategy is less to justify it and more to pretend that it's either not happening or is nobody's fault.
>>2824535>no argumentthought so
(also not a bordig I just like the bordussy)
>I am not going to read your silly little replies
<u have no argument!!!!
what did bordifag mean by this
Another garbage paliuyghur post
>>2824531I am honestly aghast at how you could think there's any limit to what people will accept being done to people that are not them. Revolutions happen because of the conditions imposed on those that carry them out, because there is pretty much no alternative to the material contradictions they face. Not because of some moral indignation about events that don't really effect them personally
>The ruling class framing on Gaza is very obviously not accepted by the majority of the population even in the West. That's why their main strategy is less to justify it and more to pretend that it's either not happening or is nobody's fault.It is accepted in all important ways. What has actually changed due to this supposed "non-acceptance" other than some vague turn of rhetoric? People still vote an masse for zionist parties that support israel, even "labour" or "left wing" parties that had to adapt said rhetoric to the views of their base are still essentially zionist and those are usually pretty small, unimpactful parties anyway
>just don't vooooote for bourgeois political parties that support zionism guise!
Just for this retarded statement alone next I will vote for a zionist political party
>>2824548You are already a ziorat who needs to off himself so what difference would it make?
>>2824551Absolutely seething
>>2824552Im am simply stating a matter of fact. You are a ziorat who needs to off himself. There's no seethe about it
Iran won
>>2824548>I will vote for a zionist political partyto the surprise of nobody
Proletarians have zero revolutionary potential
>>2824565Every single “communist” revolution happened in semi feudal semi colonial regions where peasants outnumbered proletarians
>>2824567Still led by proles in ALL cases, so cope.
>>2824569Wrong again, the leadership of every “communist party” was petit bourgeois and haute bourgeois class traitors, Lenin and Castro were lawyers, Mao the son of a landlord
>>2824571>was petit bourgeois and haute bourgeois class traitorsIncluded, but not limited to.
>>2824573Name a single general secretary that was full proletarian and came from a proletarian family, you can’t because only college faggots have time and energy to read Marx
>>2824583Lumpen clergyman
>>2824584Father was a teacher, meaning PMC, meaning not proletarian
>>2824586Suck my fucking cock you elitist hipster college boy
>>2824590>>2824589Do you have a point or something?
>>2824592There is no revolutionary class at all, it used to be peasants, now there’s none. Zero. Zilch. You might as well goon all day and shoot fentanyl.
>>2824589His father was a shoemaker and his mother a maid, he was kicked out of seminary school before being able to become a clergyman, his alternative employment status was due to his revolutionary activities, not because he was declassed to lumpen. He was a prole through and through :)
>>2824598>>2824583Stalin was proletarian and the infantiles never forgave him for it.
>>2824589sunday school teachers are neither professional nor managerial
>>2824598So dad was self employed petit bourgeois and mom was a service worker, ie poor but not proletarian at all
>>2824601Another clergyman, another non prole. You’re all just proving my point
>>2824596The proletariat still is a revolutionary class because of its necessary historical position in production wherein it also reproduces itself. The world historic revolutionary act is the proletariat realizing itself as a class and ending the mode of production which produces them as well. This is Marxism 101.
>>2824604Not happening when everyone has a million distractions, a million ways to vent, and a 401k they don’t want to risk
https://xcancel.com/kevinolearytv/status/2059036986623819815It won’t be long before the Trump administration bans anyone who questions constructions of data centres under the pretext of being a paid CCP agent
>>2824606See now you are pushing the goalposts. No one said it would be easy, but there's no point in whining that the road is long.
>>2824608There aren’t even international trade unions, let alone an international proletariat. No chinese factory worker is taking orders from a starbucks barista nor vice versa.
>>2824610I agree. So get to work.
>>2824612I’m not risking my job and risking becoming homeless in a cold climate
>>2824613Then go somewhere else, like a facebook support group for the soon-to-be immiserated stratum of the labor aristocracy.
Remember, you are free to go wherever, even to the swamp; but we are also free to go wherever, so let go of us!
>>2824615All those other places have ads and paywalls, so no
>>2824602Nope, he worked in a shoe shop and his mother also had to sell her labor to survive, her job being service related does not make her not proletarian in class :)
your class=/=your job
>>2824609such a great pic
>>2824619Marx literally called for the deaths of maids but sure whatever
>>2824621That's completely irrelevant to their class position and plus Marx had a maid himself :)
So apparently some studies came out essentially saying whether one identifies as “left” or “right” is mostly a mental shortcut in the context of US politics and usually doesn’t reflect policy beliefs (namely right wingers support left wing policy) which I’ve been saying for years.
No one has any leverage over their employer when they can just outsource your job overseas
>>2824623It is relevant because butlers and maids depend on and mostly socialize with their masters
How are you going to overcome atomization and isolation? The fact that everyone is on their phones all the time? You can’t organize people that are asocial or antisocial, it’s like herding cats
>>2824645>>2824643I accept your surrender
>>2824641>phone… is le end of historyBrave. Profound. Beautiful.
>>2824647Marx didn’t live to see mass media, it isn’t just phone, it’s television before it, the radio, and the printing press
>>2824641Stop blaming the phones
>>2824647>leThis motherfucker is back. I was wondering where (you) was gone.
>>2824648Uygha do you think marxists have not written on those things
>>2824650I don't know who you're referring to. Have you taken your medication today sis?
>>2824654>medsMods send this uyghur back to 'digger and shut the door close.
>>2824641>xhe doesnt believe in proletariatMOOOOOODS PERMABAN THIS MAN FOREVER!
>>2824656Sounds like you're dealing with schizophrenia I've been posting here since bunker
>>2824639I think a better argument is that they are not productive (producing surplus value) workers. But they are obviously still wage laborers. Regardless, class position is not a static thing, but can actually shift back and forth throughout one's lifetime
>>2824662>>2824639Reported. Ordinance rule 4.
>>2824641You have to ban phones in schools for a start.
>>2824665cultural Marxism will promote community values. everyone will be forced to interact and help each other
>>2824571When people say a revolution is "led by" a particular class they mean that that class played the most active part in making it happen, and that the ideological expression of the revolution was one of their objective interests. They don't mean that leadership positions were literally held by those people, and frankly that's not all that relevant unless you have a very simplistic liberal view of how political power works. Toissant Louveture was an ex-slave but an overseer at the time of the Haitian Revolution, but it was still a slave revolution because enslaved people formed the bulk of its fighting and labouring forces, and it was an articulation of their interests. The October Revolution can properly be called "proletarian" because workers were its most active and involved participants, and it gave expression to their interests.
>>2824641why are you leftoids getting so triggered by this question?
>>2824673Because they want to keep arguing about how they’re going to genocide American proles rather than do literally anything of value.
>>2824546>I am honestly aghast at how you could think there's any limit to what people will accept being done to people that are not them. You're moving the goalposts. The issue is whether or not people take moral exception to what's happening in Gaza, and they very obviously do. The original statement was that most people consider the killing of Palestinian children "perfectly moral" but thats pretty clearly not the case, so you're pivoting to an alternative argument about how if they're not actively doing anything to stop it they're supporting it in practice. There's perhaps a point to be made there, but that's not the discussion we're having.
>>2824674>rather than do literally anything of value.like what
>>2824681Gooning, having a beer with the boys, hunting, fishing, literally anything else
>>2824681Like doing mutual aid.
>>2824683>no outside power needs to deal with israel since israel will destroy itselfcan we do it anyway though? I want to see tel aviv nuked in my lifetime.
The amount of anti-semitism in a supposedly left-wing imageboard is baffling.
>>2824641Are these really an issue? In cities it's not an issue.
>>2824688Cry about it Zioid.
>>2824688unfortunately anti-semitism is prevalent everywhere now
>>2824689People know their neighbors even less in cities
>>2824694I don't have to know my neighbor to be socialized. Do you understand the meaning of words? Or do you need to do the pretentious and frankly idiotic act of giving out boomeresque platitudes?
>>2824688>confusing anti zionism with anti semitism>pretending this is tsarist russia or nazi germany and not zionist america>weaponizing accusations of "anti semitism" when palestinians are being genocided, robbing the accusation of all its powerever heard of the boy who cried wolf
I have an intense foot fetish and am in desperate need of an older woman stepping all over my face
Anti-zionism is a sham and humbug. All anti-zionists are libs.
And the whole narrative about phones… yeah, so fucking what, it became an appendage to our meat bodies, but so fucking what? Deal with it you dumb assholes instead of going full luddite and crying to G-d
Say you are in a room with Bibi and you can call him the K-word without consequence. Would calling Bibi an Epstein be antisemitic?
>>2824706It would be in a bourgeois sense.
>>2824704It seems like the thread is clowning on the guy, but most normies would say "Yes phone is le bad"
Maybe I just have self-control but when I'm out I'm never on my phone unless it's necessary
>>2824704phone addiction is objectively bad for people and we shouldn't just accept it as the new normal.
>>2824711>is objectively badaccording to bourgeois social scientists
>>2824711the revolution will be livestreamed chuddy luddy
>>2824713well that and also according to anyone that has interacted with a phone addicted boomer.
>>2824711Any sort of "addiction" is bad for people.
Why is it that zoomers are the type who want hyper optimize everything? Is it some sort of wanting to ape the tech overlords thing where they pretend they are super rational super optimizer or something who don't have any free time? I especially see this being said by zoomer women who say that men shouldn't like video games, like anime or do any of that shit.
>>2824716>Any sort of "addiction" is bad for people.The Great Opium Addiction led to the Chinese Revolution
>>2824675You are the one who brought up revolutions happening due to what people will or will not accept, when we were talking about moral acceptance, so it is you who brought the discussing to action rather than belief
You say that people "very obviously" take exception with what is happening in Gaza and while that is somewhat true and perceptions have changed a little bit in the last few years for some people. It is naïve to assume that most people don't fall in line with and reproduce the ruling class' moral justifications for the mass slaughter of children, even if they don't see it that way and they wouldn't explicitly think to themselves "killing children is morally justified", that is what they are doing and believe. Every time someone brings up, but hamas, but terrorism, but muh both sides, but it's complicated or any other handwave, they are justifying, rationalizing and accepting it morally.
I brought up my practical examples because if people overwhelmingly actually believed it was wrong we would see some effect of those beliefs, even marginally, but we don't. It doesn't even prevent them from voting for a pro child killing party. Self reported opinions are just not a very useful measure of people's morality in my opinion, but we might differ on that
The point is that there's no such thing as inherent morality and that even something like killing a child has been and still is being morally justified by people to this day
>>2824716>Why is it that zoomers are the type who want hyper optimize everything? Is it some sort of wanting to ape the tech overlords thing where they pretend they are super rational super optimizer or something who don't have any free time? I especially see this being said by zoomer women who say that men shouldn't like video games, like anime or do any of that shit.it's because we live in a hypercapitalist hellscape where any time not spent making money or trying to raise your social status is time wasted. hobbies are now hustles. if you can't monetize it then it's not worth doing. if you want a chance at reproducing with a woman in 2026 you basically need to be on the grind 24/7 to be worthy of her attention so women are especially susceptible to this mindset. it's not just zoomers though, everyone irl is like this these days.
>>2824715>>2824721>if you want a chance at reproducing with a woman in 2026 you basically need to be on the grind 24/7 to be worthy of her attention so women are especially susceptible to this mindset.no true at all btw
>>2824718True, I mean on an individual level tho
>>2824721I feel like this is an attitude that zoomers in particular have. Maybe a lot of the chuddish older people but then again a lot of the more lax people I've known have been poorer old people.
>>2824716>>2824721>incel rhetoric but leftishlycan we stop with this shit please
too much of this crap on here now
>>2824721It's pretty easy to get pussy actually. Just be pretty and LARP as a progressive liberal
>>2824729Leftcelism will become the new dark woke.
>>2824721>if you want a chance at reproducing with a woman in 2026 you basically need to be on the grind 24/7 to be worthy of her attention so women are especially susceptible to this mindsetare you mentally stuck in the 40's? the reason why having kids with a wife is so hard nowadays is because the majority of women are 'on the grind' just like men are and list children at the bottom of their priorities. no amount of cash will convince these women to have kids 1. they're bringing home a salary comparable to their partner and more importantly 2. because they simply don't want to
>>2824739You're right but I've also seen a very popular sentiment among young women that they'd only start a family with a man that earns 2-3x their own income. This is just because of the opportunity cost of having a family in the current system I guess, but it is heavily beneficial to the bourgeois that an entire generation of women only want to date bourgeois men.
>>2824697You think you can pull off an insurgency without knowing your neighbors?
>>2824749What insurgency? There wont be any insurgency. Shut up you anarchist retard.
>>2824752Marxists famously never did an insurgency anywhere ever
>>2824693anti-semitism is not a real
>>2824745I wonder if it's actually that popular or if it's something that the adelsons or peter thiel cooks up. Like a lot of these culturally chuddish places like r/redscarepod or r/femaledatingstrategies have been propped up by porky to make being a femchud more appealing.
>>2824749You think insurgencies are pulled of with your neighbors?
>>2824757>read the great alibi duuuuudeIm not taking that fatman seriously after he praised hitler
>>2824760Insurgencies are interimperialist conflicts
You need a massive, political movement spearheaded by class conscious workers. Only this can actually change the mode of production. A massive political class movement does not come about because class conscious members of an embryonic movement waste their time building networks of mutual aid. This is childish.
>>2824765Yet you spend your time here, curious.
>>2824766I am actually an AI bot created to spread communist and Marxist theory. I don't really have agency, per se.
>>2824745no doubt they exist but there's certainly no shortage of Jenny Westphalens out there willing to pop out a few kids in absolute poverty. she was even nobility
>>2824767Yeah? Proove it.
honkoid status?
>>2824765You’re not going to have class consciousness when everyone has a porno slot machine in their pocket that drains their dopamine all the time and there’s a million distractions
>>2824765How are you going to have class consciousness when people work alone and all the jobs that require socializing have been outsourced overseas?
>>2824775And? What of it?
There’s no amount of awareness raising you can do to any issue for people to take action on it when said action will cost them security and comfort they’re desperately clinging onto
>>2824784The revolution is not happening in any developed capitalist country, hell it’s not even happening in the third world where the pitiful incomes from content creation are real career options
In the end workers are people and people are shit
>>2824795It’s true and you know it
>>2824193When zioyanks call you stupid and reassert their lies, always know they subsist off baby blood and that they are wrong. This one crumbled with slightest effort and said jews are palestinians. scientific socialist says zioeuroamerikan or jewish colonizer workers are bourgeois, not palestinian. Those zionist devils say their lies and support platner, but god help the man who says jewish and zioeuroamerikan colonizer workers are bourgeois.
I am a Trotskyite and I say,down with the zioeuroamerikkkan kkkolonisser workkker
>>2824846It kind of failed at doing anything tho?
>>2824847it succeeded at getting chuds riled up to vote for Trump again by being incredibly cringe
>>2824848Mixtape was released in 2026
>>2824850gamergate started in 2013
>>2824935Lib on lib violence
>>2824874Japan has always been anti-piracy tho and no one really cares since they have no impact on consumer access to pirated games. Well except for Nintendo taking down fan mods and emulators like bitches.
>>2824960thats basically the entire american left
>>2824960Yeah it's so crazy to call a guy who openly loves murder and had a nazi tattoo until he got caught a fascist
>>2824960whats a dead ender leftoid?
>>2824966This is peak Burgerfall
>>2824966I didn't know Milli Vanilli still had a career
>>2824971Which one though? I could forgive it if they were featuring "the Real Milli Vanilli" but if this is Rob and Fab then I gotta wonder what the fuck they're doing
>>2824971neither did I. fucking weird shit.
>>2824963He's an adventurist minded guy that likes violence. 80% of the male sex is like this they just lack the balls to do it for real.
I am not even denying he is morally reprehensible guy, most people are, i am saying he is exactly the type of person any serious leftist or liberal movement would need. Your moralfagging has brought nothing to any progressive cause and any relevant leftist before 1991 would think you are insane.
I understand killing people overseas over mercenary work isnt like gulaging reactionaries for doing a counter revolution, but do you actually think the Bolsheviks were moral angels? lmao.
>>2824980i say this and look like this
>>2824977If we have fascists at the gates and Platner is volunteering to go out and fight them off, then great, go for it, but that's totally different from a situation where supposed leftists are willingly choosing to back this awful fuck as a leader when they easily could just say nothing. You are delusional to think that most men are like that, sure a lot of men think guns are cool but that's not in any way the same as actively loving murder and having done it multiple times. He is a fucking rabid dog.
>>2824977Also it's just asinine to act as if someone who is just a regular person, yes contributing to horrible crimes by inaction, is in any way morally comparable to this freak. It's like saying the average German was just as evil as the fucking Obergruppenfuhrer
>>2824977That's why I think his veterancy and nazi tattoos are really weak arguments against Platner. There are numerous political stances of his that make for a much more substantial criticism. Platner is basically a progressive American nationalist and his program shares all the deficiencies and problems of social democracy, demonstrates no solid understanding of class, and doesn't seem to entirely know how he would even begin to implement his program even if he had the required support for the policies he advocates in the Senate, he's a Democrat which means he's bound to get co-opted or contained even if you assume best intentions etc. But it's never about political goals, it's words words words about his fascist reddit post and enlistment into a war at the height of post-USSR American militarism which he said was a mistake anyway. Mind you I think socialists should criticize Platner and not endorse him or tie themselves to him personally, not campaign for him and so on. But the criticism coming from the supposed anti-imperialist left, meaning average unorganized leftist schizo is made almost entirely on moral grounds and therefore wasted completely
>>2824988>normies accept zog theory nowoh no, i'm not cool and contrarian anymore… i don't want to be like normies… i hereby abandon zog theory
>>2824993We can have a debate about the limits of social democracy but that's totally different from backing a fucking Nazi
>>2824995He's not a nazi. He's a retard.
>>2824997Not mutually exclusive
I DO NOT believe that someone running for office could have a Totenkopf or whatever tattooed on them and not recognise it for 20 fucking years or whatever he said
>>2824997his stepbrother seth frantzman is literally in aipac
his campaign agency is literally the same campaign agency as fetterman
he literally volunteered to fight in zionist wars 4 times
he literally worked for blackwater as recently as 2018
how many times is bro going to trip over his own shoelaces into situations like this? even the wehrmacht and IOF at least have "i was drafted" as an excuse.
"platner is just a bumbling retard" theory doesn't make much sense. he's actively running for high office in an imperialist country. senate. not even the house but the senate. the most ghoulish of the ghouls. the ones whose job it is to stop any progressive legislation from the house dead in its tracks.
he said he had a change of heart and became a psychedelics-using joe rogan style brocialist… maybe? or maybe that's what he said because he's running for senate and that archetype is more popular than who he actually is?
think about it this way, it's not merely a matter of him being a veteran and having a sus tattoo, it's the fact that he's a combat vet who kept going back for more, enjoyed killing people from countries that didn't attack america, and married a woman whose brother is in aipac. he's not some prole either. he joined the marines even though his parents offered to pay for his college. he's a small business owner in maine.
>>2825004All that stuff too, fuck him. And fuck anyone who is supporting him, you truly showed your ass on this one, even when I was a dumb fucking "bush lied who died" lib with no Marxism whatsoever I would have been able to identify this guy a Nazi and that he should be spat on in public
>>2825006God he's so insufferable too. "Heh a lot of civilians don't really understand how us vets like to rape and murder Afghan women, and how it's NOT actually a war crime and is super nuanced"
>>2824993I think it's kind of an is/ought problem. Like if you say he is probably going to win because Maine guys who hang out at biker bars and voted for Trump are also open for voting for the lobster guy and dgaf about BAD TATTOO and BAD REDDIT posts, then there are people who say you love Platner and want to hug and kiss him. But the bulk of people opposing him are not anti-imp leftists and it's not because of the tattoo they pretend to clutch pearls about but because they support Israel and have an axe to grind with him over it. Also the sort of libs who *might* care about this stuff are currently far too motivated by the balance of power in the Senate anyways.
>>2825011I'd rather have a generic Republican win than this guy. There I said it.
>>2825012I want him to win because i legitimately think he could provide some good spectacle, being the fat retard he is.
<t. european >>2825004>>2825005How does it feel that he's going to win no matter what you do, and we're going to make him the face of the american left?
>>2825013I mean that was mainstream, he would probably be more like that sick fuck consul who kept a collection of Gaulic scalps on him (he lost a battle and got pulled off his horse and torn to pieces lol)
>>2825016I mean it sucks I guess but not exactly surprising. What does surprise me is that people anti establishment to want to hang out on this board are falling for it
>>2825015I'm tired of spectacle, I just want some peace and quiet
>>2825016I think it's quite fitting that the best americans can do is elect yet another imperialist democrat, but this time one who gets nazi tattoos, marries zionists, and brags about killing people. if this is what "left" means to you maybe you only care about the left wing of fascism.
>he's going to win no matter whatit's the senate. you're bragging about electoralism.
since you didn't address my arguments, I'll repeat them, for the benefit of those who never scroll up but show up to a conversation halfway through
- married a woman who's brother is in AIPAC
- hangs out with this AIPAC brother in law
- uses the same campaign agency as fetterman
- volunteered for 4 imperialist wars
- worked for blackwater
- pretends to be a peacenik so he can win a senate office
- worst of all, is a redditor
>>2825004I do recognize all of these things, and I don't deny the possibility that he may have done those things because he's genuinely a bloodthirsty american militarist. But that's not enough to refute him (or reform him if he does actually take criticism seriously)
You bring up the Fetterman agency point and the fact that he's running as a Democrat into an imperialist bourgeois institution, so he's structurally compromised. His AIPAC bro is concerning too. I treat that as a much more serious criticism of Platner than his personal character and something people should apply universally. Furthermore as I said, there's enough of his program to criticize that you don't need to dig in to his personal connections or origins or past intentions. The reason why I care about this is because I want the left critique of Platner to be better by exposing the problems with populism and progressivism more generally instead of looking at the guy and going "that's a bad guy"
>>2825017>that sick fuck consul who kept a collection of Gaulic scalps on him (he lost a battle and got pulled off his horse and torn to pieces lol)yeah i know exactly the battle you're talking about lol. The carthaginians had Gaulish mercenaries with them who recognized him
>>2825021>The reason why I care about this is because I want the left critique of Platner to be better by exposing the problems with populism and progressivism more generally instead of looking at the guy and going "that's a bad guy"That critique could be applied to literally any person running as a left wing democrat though, obviously none of them are going to be like "when I get elected I am going to kill Donald Trump and the top 1000 bourgeoisie in the USA"
>>2825024>believing platner's anti zionist rhetoric when his brother in law is in aipac and he has the same campaign agency as fettermanyou must be young and naive. how old were you when kirsten sinema ran as an anti-WTO candidate? do you know how the senate works? maybe 20 more years of watching people talk one way and then act another once elected will wake you up.
>>2825012You can vote for whatever faggot you want. What I'm just saying is there is a coordinated interest group trying to call him a Nazi because they don't like his Israel policy, while if he was an actual ideological pro-Israel guy they'd love him. I don't mean on leftypol but everywhere else outside of Bad Empanada's fans. There's just a fixation and they just can. not. stop. talking about his posts and tat like the anti-Zohran types were fixated on him for taking a selfie with Hasan or whatever. Maureen Galindo lost btw.
>>2825012social imperialist detected
>>2825024Yeah I'm so sure that Platner is gonna stop US aid to Israel. Give me a fucking break.
>>2825021> I want the left critique of Platner to be better by exposing the problems with populism and progressivism more generally instead of looking at the guy and going "that's a bad guy"i never said he's a bad guy. i revealed how his entire life history contradicts his rhetoric. you know. revealing the problems with progressivism, populism, and demokkkrat trickery.
>>2825027I don't give a fuck if it was Bibi himself calling him a Nazi, he fucking is one
>>2825020I could care less as long as he virtue signals against ZOG
>>2825026>>2825030republican is the "i love licking israel boots" party. if platner's chances of being a zionist are any less than 100% then he wins by default
>>2825027> there is a coordinated interest group trying to call him a Nazi because they don't like his Israel policyhe has no policy. he has "anti zionist" CAMPAIGN TRAIL RHETORIC that you take at face value despite the very obvious hints that this is just a personality he constructed to run for office, hints such as his entire fucking life history before politics, who he married, who he lets run his campaign, etc. why do you people become like naive children every time the democratic party pulls out another shiny new progressive toy?
>>2825035he will virtue signal until the moment he is elected and betray it like they always do.
>>2825037>republican is the "i love licking israel boots" party. yes and so are the democrats. do you have total amnesia of the biden term? are you as senile as he is?
>>2825037I won't support a Nazi now or ever, and as has been pointed out he's transparently insincere about everything he says
>>2825040Like I said 50 posts ago, yeah it's such an unrealistic standard to not have Nazi tattoos and openly brag about how much you love killing people
>>2825045Bruh the Eastern German government literally employed former Nazis
>>2825045I am not from Maine so I have no dog in this fight, but being this much of a moralfag over someone who is pretty much a cinch to win it seems like an unproductive waste of time. This just seems like a struggle session done more out of boredom than any actual moral outrage.
>>2825043Sure why not, I'd rather have an evil republican than some ghoul fake leftist that will just wreck any chance of actually creating a real socialist movement even more. Zero Parades (For Dead Traitors)
>>2825040i'm not gatekeeping shit. is anyone in this thread even from maine? i'm not. i'm not telling people not to vote for him. i'm just handing out fell for it again awards
>>2825048>Im in lockstep with aipac interestsyes we know zionist
>>2825040And that’s a good thing
>>2825048And that’s problematic
>>2825049And that’s based
>>2825046And look how great that turned out.
>>2825047I'm arguing on an imageboard no shit it's not productive. I have no idea how likely he is to win but are you saying we should jump on his cock just because he's going to win? Are you that desperate to feel like you achieved something?
>>2825038>hints such as his entire fucking life history before politics, who he marriedI dgaf.
>why do you people become like naive children every time the democratic party pulls out another shiny new progressive toy?It's a very cold and pragmatic calculation that if you want to materially change Israel policy, you have to influence U.S. public opinion and U.S. political institutions especially Congress and the executive branch. You need to be able to exploit divisions among political elites to make advances. What internet third-world circles like the Empanada guy and his followers engage in however is primarily symbolic politics that makes them feel morally right, but that no effect at all unless you get some tattoos and get better at killing people.
>>2825040lenin said you are free to walk into the marsh, only let go of his hand
>>2825053>It's a very cold and pragmatic calculation that if you want to materially change Israel policy, you have toelect zionists who pretend they aren't?
>>2825056>guy who killed people in person irl>vs>guy who will vote for hundreds of thousands of people to be killed by othersah i see why you support the latter, the mental image is much less lurid
>>2825060Yeah I'm sure the blackwater ghoul is gonna be a principled anti imperialist when elected, you gibbering fucking retard, how did the 'le based veteran leftist' thing work out with Fetterman BTW?
>>2825038>why do you people become like naive children every time the democratic party pulls out another shiny new progressive toy?because they are democrats themselves so they get excited when democrats come up with new tactics to remain in power, people like gay nazi anon are not just lesser evil voters, they have given up on the idea of something outside the democratic party and are ideologically commited to it
>>2825062>Yeah I'm sure the blackwater ghoul is gonna be a principled anti imperialist when electedIf he was a corporate lawyer running as a Republican who gave money to right-wing causes and said that George W. Bush was great for torturing people, and said we needed to commit war crimes and should stop people from having health insurance, you wouldn't be saying anything because that's a "normal" Republican, you hypocrite.
>>2825060>taking campaign trail rhetoric at face valuesigh.
>>2825062My bad Fetterman isn't a veteran but other than that, this fucking bullshit of "we need a down to earth conservative coded candidate who is secretly a socialist I promise bro"
>>2825061
yes, and some of us are very fed up with the other americans ITT and IRL
>>2825065The difference is I wouldn't have to see anyone defending that person on here or on the left in general
>idc if republicans get elected or not, i just don't want the good name of leftism to be sullied by involving it in real world politic-*voice muffles with cotton as the armchair swallws you whole*
>>2825071i'm fine with platner winning his gay little election to be a senator in an imperialist party actually, it's the falling for his rhetoric and thinking he's based, on a communist board i find tiresome.
>>2825017>I mean that was mainstream, he would probably be more like that sick fuck consul who kept a collection of Gaulic scalps on himSenator Holdenus Sanguifagus?
>>2825071If the forces of anti Zionism wanted my support they should have found a non Nazi candidate
>>2825053>materially change Israel policyif you actually cared about this your reply to the plenty of indications that he is not interested at all in that wouldn't be "I dgaf"
>symbolic politics that makes them feel morally right, but that no effect at allthats exactly what simping for the new Obama (blackwater merc edition) is
>>2824808>This one crumbled with slightest effort and said jews are palestiniansI was literally just summarizing what was said in the text you posted and told everybody you read you illiterate tard.
>>2825080> the new Obama (blackwater merc edition) iszohran is the new obama. if anything platner is more like a fake smedley butler
>>2825083Zohran is Goebbels, Platner is Goering, AOC is Hitler
>>282507620 shekels deposited in your account
>>2825073>falling forthey are not "falling for" anything they just don't think there is any alternative to liberal imperialism and they think you are crazy if you do, and honestly I'm not sure if I can't blame them, what I don't understand is why do these types piss and shit and puke themselves when Chagos or Felix call them imperialists when they themselves are pretty open about it
>>2825071DNC talking point.
>>idc if republicans get elected or notCorrect. The differences between them and the GOP are marginal at best. Quite frankly the outcome of American elections don't matter.
>>2825102you'll be safe either way crackkka
>>2825107Yeah man I'm sure Joe "Racial Jungle" Biden (aka the architect of mass incarceration) was super concerned with the wellbeing of Black people. Just one more Democrat in office will totally prevent everything from getting worse forever.
>>2825116Delcy cowed the cia. Cia came to carcas on bended knees. You are ziogringo. You support trump when you slander venezuelan socialist government. You are just bitter yanks lost in venezuela.
>>2825113Ask them chavistas why much(most?) of their state's budget sits on a Federal Reserve account. And their transactions need to be vetted by the USA. Or why their interim government is speedrunning neoliberal reforms, for the benefit of the USA.
You didn't even fight and lose a war, an guerrilla war or an invasion. The glowies just waltzed in and wore PSUV like a cumsock. At least Iraquis gave USians hell before the comprador regime was established. Venezuelans just folded.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/01/safeguarding-venezuelan-oil-revenue-for-the-good-of-the-american-and-venezuelan-people/But do not worry, you will soon have "free elections" once Delcy is done chainingup the state finances to the USA forever, so the right can rule you proper. And PSUV can go back to performatively shaking their fist at the US.
>>2825087not incompatible with what i said
Platner has personally killed more brown people than most republicans ever will and he did it for the fun of it by his own admission. I know the bar is extremely low but are we for real.
>>2825099I am the anon you are speaking to. chagos and felix are annoying because they waltz into the thread and condemn even the people who agree with them, like me. this is what makes them wreckers. they sow confusion on purpose. they make it so discussion is impossible. They condemn people who agree with them and insist those people are lying. They actually don't want to talk to people on here, which is the only thing this place is good for, they want to make talking impossible and openly admit it. They just have a vendetta against the website itself and don't even care if some people on here are actually communist, anti imperialist, think the US empire needs to go, etc.
>>2825142correct.
>>2825144imperialist democrat bootlicker, mills dropped out. platner is basically guaranteed victory. we are talking about the guy himself. almost nobody on here lives in maine. mills and platner can both burn in hell. dems and pubs can both burn in hell. when will you get it through your thick skull that criticizing platner is not the equivalent of supporting whatever rat he is running against? idiot. idiot. idiot.
Guys I know Jeffrey Dahmer killed people for fun but if he had joined the democrat party I would've voted for him because hey it beats a republican.
>>2825099>they are not "falling for" anything they just don't think there is any alternative to liberal imperialismidk. a sucker is born every minute. a lot of the people on here might be young idiots and i think some of these people are still falling for reformism and campaign rhetoric because they think they can just keep electing whoever they believe is slightly less bad based on their rhetoric to make things better in the long run. just like people fall for religion they fall for reformism and political rhetoric. all forms of idealism .
>>2825142Hitler killed 0 people, he just gave orders
>>2825149i'm not voting for anyone because i don't live in maine and i hasten to remind you for perhaps the 10th time int he thread that platner's brother in law is AIPAC and he actually put his life on the line 4 times for zionism, he is a true believer and does it for free
>>2825152>collective guiltreactionary
>>2825154>completely made up text that was neither stated nor implieddid the LLM break?
>>2825153
>>2825153
>ww1
>sit in a hole and cower until you are shelled with gas
yeah he killed 0 people
>>2825154actually even an LLM would do better than this. only a coping seething human is capable of such a low quality reply totally unrelated to what came before.
>>2825151>soldiers get off because they were just following orders>leaders get off because they were just giving orderswow
>this politician took AIPAC money so instead I'll vote for the actual serial killer who to this day expresses zero remorse and even thinks of his past fondly
At least Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy got thrown in jail, Platner on the other hand murdered arabs in service to the imperial machine and is thus protected from consequences now and forever. Never forget you're voting for a serial killer.
If american reactoidism is just Epsteinism, american socialism is Dahmerism.
>>2825161also the serial killer has aipac connections anyway and basically does it for free so there is no need for donations
>this is why collins must win
platner is voldemort
>>2825164boil collins, boil platner
>>2825172read another book lib
>>2825178le enlightened centrist has arrived
you don't understand how bad it's going to get when the AI bubble pops. the signs that it's popping are starting to appear.
>>2824865Would be extremely funny if Trump just increasingly humiliates and attacks Vance until he just resigns in disgrace. Like tearing down the Observatory Circle for "renovations" and just calling him a dumbass during press briefings.
>>2825180>>2825186Pretty sure AI startups were trying to do the Silicon Valley thing of operating at a loss until you corner the market then jacking up prices, but the thing is they cost so much money that they've basically had to jack up prices to keep the lights on, which has caused execs to realize its costing them more than if they just stuck with human employees.
>>2825188feed it dogshit misinfo
>>2825179collins and platner are on the side of capitalism and imperialism, i am on the side of labor and anti imperialism.
>>2825195Also the tech just isn't reliable and ends up requiring almost as many human labourers to constantly unfuck it anyways.
>>2825212if this AI is entirely offline then the average person will speak and think faster than it creates output. the speed of AI output is entirely reliant on these datacenters
>>2825217depends on the strength of ur device at that point, but ye in general but could still be useful 4 general ideas and info 4 ppl who are new when it gets better training n data
>>2825221a single phone will produce very slow output, and what's even worse, the AI will only supply answers based on its own limited training data. A person meanwhile has their own "training data" updated in real time based on the material conditions around them, which they are an active stakeholder in. That's why a real activist or revolutionary should pay more attention to those evolving conditions than to the output of an AI with aging training data.
>>2825211>>2825195>>2825180AI is literally unsustainable. Getting new models requires more high quality training data, but that requires humans to write natural language to train them on. The entire collection of uploaded data has already been taken in as training data and the amount it can improve by is a trickle.
But what's worse is that AI-generated language only ever reinforces whathe model is already at, or reduces its capacity, with a tendency towards harming it. The internet is now filling up with AI-generated data faster than human-written data.
And because these companies fundamentally operate on plagiarism and deceiving people, they made it difficult on purpose to tell if something was made by AI.
And because of that, it's hard to filter it out of the training data.
LLM's have already peaked as of the beginning of 2026. There is a reason almost all the LLM new models have been very marginal in their improvements since. This is why their real changes has been in things like trying to launch Sora, trying to make "agentic" AI, trying to make code-scripts that handle writng projects.
But fundamentally they aren't going to improve on their reasoning, they can't seriously get rid of the "jagged intelligence" problem of thinking you should walk to a car wash. They're making side-upgrades rather than being able to seriously improve the core model anymore without vast amounts of new, fresh, high-quality data. And to get something 2x as good they'll need to start getting more data than the entirety of the entire human collected written works has output in all history.
The economy was being propped by betting everything on the idea that these devices were going to only get exponentially better and they're hitting an S-curve top barely three years after launch, or worse, an actual peak that is going to get dramatically, irreversibly worse.
>>2825180>starting to appear.they've been around for well over a year, the big 7 tech companies keep recycling loans between each other to create the appearance of economic activity. the entire bubble relies on computation power, which relies on Nvidia chips, which relies on Taiwanese manufacturing, which relies on PRC and Taiwan not doing peaceful reunification… but a pro-reunification KMT leader was elected, and the USA is already losing its two other proxy wars in Ukraine and Iran… so if it opens up a third one for Taiwan… what will happen?
Doctor From Gaza Frontlines Exposes Israeli Torture Programs and Missile Attacks on Hospitals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_MaynardAt some point every Holocaust museum will be forced to include an exhibit on what’s happening in Gaza right now. It’s only a matter of time. Dr. Nick Maynard of Oxford University medical school has been a witness to the genocide.
Professor Nick Maynard is a Consultant Upper GI Surgeon at Oxford University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust and Associate Professor of Surgery at University of Oxford. He founded the Oxford Oesophagogastric Cancer Centre and previously served as President of Association of Upper Gastrointestinal Surgeons of Great Britain and Ireland. Since 2010, he has regularly led medical missions to Gaza to teach and perform surgery, including multiple missions during the current war. A leading humanitarian advocate for Gaza, he has spoken at the United Nations and with policymakers across the US and Europe. In 2025, he received the UK Humanitarian Medal from King Charles III for his work in Gaza
>>2825263> every Holocaust museum will be forced to include an exhibit on what’s happening in Gaza right nowGaza genocide deserves its own museum, not to be a mere exhibit in the museum of another genocide.
>>2825278History is a weapon
>>2825291Funny how there's been all this talk about how right-wing young people are yet the polling coming out now shows the exact opposite.
For context in 2008 18-29 year olds went for Obama 66-32 Still crushing but not fucking 82-11.
I blame the internet skewing our perception (on purpose).
>>2825076>>2825142Ben Gvir respect button 🗿👇🏻👇🏻👇🏻 Israeli LIONS don't comply with n*zi gr*h*am pl*tner 🦁🇮🇱 🇮🇱 🇮🇱 🇮🇱 🇮🇱
>>2825291The GOP is fucking the poor too hard without return to investment this time around. When Reagan was selling out american infrastructures it was so he would give the money back to the middle class. But no money has been handed now.
>>2825180AI should always have been something for industrialists to use in order to run factories with limited human personnel not some bullshit algorithm for Grubhub, becoming your FRIEND and doing AIslop.
>>2825291>more women support repubsgoes to show idpol is a lie
>>2825147chagos here
I am not a judge, I do not condemn. I simply oppose imperialists. If you feel in opposition to me, you are an imperialist.
>>2825316Mr Trump pleases history
i humbly request you communists to petition for the departure of your military from the chagos archipelagos please.
>>2825311>AI should always have been something for industrialists to use in order to run factories with limited human personnel not some bullshit algorithm for Grubhub, becoming your FRIEND and doing AIslop.LLM's aren't really good at that, you need different models completely to run a factory well.
actually those same models would also be better at most of the other shit they want it to do anyway.
>>2825354ill call the pentagon and let them know
>>2825180people treat this bubble like its the rapture. both america and the internet survived just fine after the dot com bubble popped. the truth is this economic disaster you're praying for, even if it happens, won't actually change anything since americas economy expands faster than everyone elses thanks to imperialism
>>2825388america's economy didn't grow at all except for AI-related bullshit last year
>>2825392>if you ignore the parts of the economy that are expanding, the economy is actually contractingai is the internet of the 90s. overhyped and oversold but not totally useless, or else America would be the only nation building data centers
>>2825396>ai didn't do shit it was le NvidiaGrok what caused the rise in demand for GPUs
>A recent survey of nearly 6,000 executives in the U.S., Europe, and Australia found that despite 70% of firms actively using AI, about 80% reported no impact on employment or productivity.waow dae think that AI is literally the next industrial revolution if you don't think this is materially progressive you're a luddite
in any case that doesn't really change the issue that the overwhelming majority of the rest of the economy in 2025 was zero to negative growth, and if you take away the circular financing then AI probably didn't actually meaningfully grow either.
>>2825395the internet actually had way more use even in the 90s than AI does today. 80% seeing 0 to negative productivity effects is so much worse than the internet that it's actually possible that the average effect of AI is to drag productivity down, not boost it in any meaningful way.
>>2825400the economy actually fared better than I expected since everyone was dooming about trumps tariffs blowing up gdp which never happened
>it's actually possible that the average effect of AI is to drag productivity downproductivity is just a side benefit, the whole point of ai is to get rid of as many employees possible as wages are the main cost to businesses which have to deal with shrinking profits every year (thanks to birthrates). less employees = more profits = more future investment = stock price increase = higher gdp
>>2825404it didn't implode yeah but almost nowhere saw growth. I dont' think most of the tarriff issue ever got fully implemented because they were more interested in making a big show of things than seriously following through
>>2825404thing is I don't think it even is cutting out that many people. A lot of people had to get re-hired because they thought that it was going to improve things and it didn't really, it made the current employees just have to deal with AI bullshit all day instead of doing their work. A lot of the rest of it is either jobs that would have been trivial to get rid of without AI anyway (handling customer orders for example), or a way to hide the fact that they're just outsourcing to indonesian wagies ("self driving" cars)
>>2825299>Funny how there's been all this talk about how right-wing young people are yet the polling coming out now shows the exact opposite.continuing to show loyalty to the Capitalist imperialist Democratic Party as it moves further and further to the right isn't right wing?
>>2825416he said that back when America was actually efficient LOL
>>2825448For a long time now the only industries still hiring in america are healthcare and education, so the process of the economy shedding employees began way before AI and will only be accelerated by it. I think you're overstating the case that AI isn't rapidly changing the business environment to suit the capitalist better as all technology does
>>2825496good luck in there my guy
>>2825299I am guessing that they were actually flirting with the right but got burnt by it and a lot of the new chud influencers are just kind of ugly. This wouldn't really matter if 50% of their platform isn't "YOU ARE A transhumanist SOYJAK"
>>2825311Yeah, a lot of the richer fags seem to not have budged at all from polling
>>2825349I'd say it would be a mix of tradwife content and older ladies not needing to work. Ironically tradwife content has actually been turning a few young men off. Noticing how bratty and entitled rightiod women can be (low Big Five Agreeability is a constant between both genders) is a pretty effective tactic. See all the posts about "My man better not have any hobbies" while at least a woke woman would be able to chat with you about anime and shit.
>>2825496you have the opportunity to do the funniest thing
>>2825496Hope it goes well comrade.
>>2825396Agreed and upvoted.
It's just like those ghost cities that China built that no one lives in. It's all fugazi. In fact, we should ban AI to help those poor, struggling artists in Hollywood because at the end of the day that's who it's really hurting.
>>2825559"Democraps are the real racists/Nazis/terrorists" posting has been going on for over a decade now.
>>2825561Won't anyone think of the copyrighted intellectual property???
>>2825561>>2825565lmao
"My bourgeois overlords can't make stupid mistakes or fall for marketing tricks, they must be helping the economy!"
hollywood propaganda marvel slop is cheaper to make than ever, those dastardly artists holding back the tidal wave of propaganda bullshit will be defeated 😎
>>2825559Maybe the most annoying thing about the Republicans is they want to do the “are you triggered lib?” Routine and the “have you no decency?!” Routine all at once.
Trump’s President, no one considers it beyond the pale to call Miller an ugly bitch.
>>2825615I hereby summon the ghost of Juan Peron to get his ass.
>>2825610I believe the kids call it crybullying
>>2824848>it succeeded at getting chuds riled up to vote for Trump again by being incredibly cringe>chudszoomer pls go
>>2825615he's meeting with bad empanada
>>2825559they're getting squeezed by the cringe-based dialectics
>>2825615Milei coincidentally threw out all journalist from the pink house the same day he was going to have talks with Thiel. And they recently announced an AI service that will manage "social services" called digital social twin, homonymous with one of palantir's services. The announcement was full of ambiguity and gave basically no information, which caused many NGOs to sue the government. He bought a very expensive house in the best district of Buenos Aires.
>>2825617Pero was a fucking cuck
>>2825629i dont care for this freak
>>2825630this. he decided to become a stormfag
>>2825630Who is this guy?
>>2825615they always flee to Argentina in the end
>>2825349>this poll proves idpol wrongboth polls and idpol are garbage. scrub your brain harder comrade, you're almost there
>>2825640dark enlightened centrist (luigi mangione) that got bullied and harassed by a red radlib from discord
>>2825632no u Harry Dresden
Can we have revolution alreeeeeaaaaaaadddddddyyyyyyy
>>2825668people dont know they want socialism and its your guys' fault for not educating libs and just insulting them
>>2825677Communism is at it’s most popular in this current period of time. libs do get educated, a lot of them are simply too insane to learn.
>>2825690they were subpoenaed at the same time lol.
it's funny how hasan completely eclipsed code pink
>>2825710Centrists weirdly treat actually trying to win as “cheating” almost.
>>2825699The peronists welcomed him, who do you think runs the government still?
The economy is collapsing
>>2825700>it's funny how hasan completely eclipsed code pinksad.
>>2825699Thiel is really fearing a harsh blowback in the US huh?
I wish he was right but my guess is he's just a paranoid idiot.
>>2825559I honestly think the modern American right is insanely bad at messaging and the only reason that they win is because of Fox News having a stranglehold on boomers. We don't live in an "open marketplace of ideas" where it's a matter of who has the best arguments and rhetoric.
>>2825760I think it's certainly a quite interesting considering he is a tech billionaire and for certain has spent a lot of the last few years honing the bourgeois-exclusive, billionaire-premium tier data-center AI model of choice which he uses for social analysis / predictive trends on the social media platforms his buddies own. Something about what he's learning from this is scaring him so bad that he decided it's time to
flee the country to the relatively poor comprador state without native english speakers. That he's that scared for the near-future of his ilk in the US is definitely…interesting.
>>2825710I'm really not sure I'm following whatever it is that you are trying to say
>Like I said I dgaf if that's "fake" because I already see everything in politics through the lens of being fake in some kind of way.Then why do you bring up "materially change Israel policy" as a justification for defending Platner or any of these fight agency democrats? It would be more respectable if you just said "I just want to see republicans seethe" or something like that, but pretending your support comes from wanting to change Israel policy is complete bullshit since all these dems haven't done anything to change it and thats by design
>>2825737Genuinely, why do you call yourself a communist? You clearly identify yourself with the democratic party, you see them winning as you winning, why don't you just join them and change your name to DNCanon?
this is fundamentally my issue with you two, why can't you be more honest about what you care about and what you believe? I don't think any of you are stupid enough to believe doing entryism for the 1000 time and voting for the next democrat thats saying super different things just like Obama did will change anything, you just want to see republicans lose elections, and thats fine really
>>2825745this is like mexico having coin operated public bathrooms
>>2825760he said he was upset california is raising taxes on the rich
>>2825763peter thiel needs a combination of state power capture and no regulations, something milei can provide that new zealand and iceland cant
>>2825764Why don’t you admit you’re a Republican? You clearly see Democrats winning as you losing, so why not just be honest?
Jokes aside I’m not a Democrat—the fact is on here yall will see me pushing back more on the absurd ultra Left types meanwhile on other forums (like Reddit) I get told I’m a filthy tankie cause I pushback on liberal centrists.
>>2825746menem's "peronism"? or pre-menem's peronism?
the former, yes. there are like 17 menems in different government offices, including martin menem as the leader of the parlamient. the latter is being jailed, like Cristina.
>>2825764>Then why do you bring up "materially change Israel policy" as a justification for defending Platner or any of these fight agency democrats? One of the first things Mamdani did as mayor was revoke executive orders barring NYC agencies and employees from boycotting Israel, and he's fighting with the city comptroller over disinvesting the city's pension fund from Israeli bonds. That's good. I think you should want that. I think you should want more votes in the U.S. Senate on blocking arms sales.
I'm just saying there's a reason AIPAC and other pro-Israel people in general get so mad about these people and spend millions of dollars trying to keep them out of office. It's not because the people they're mad about are pretending to be Marxist revolutionaries waving Kalashnikovs around. It's because as crazy as they are, the Israel lobby is pretty Machiavellian and they recognize that they need to exercise influence over American political institutions and keep people who they don't like out, and they need to have popular support, which can ultimately influence government policy, otherwise they'll be in deep trouble.
>>2825766>Jokes aside I’m not a Democratok fine but you clearly see yourself and the DNC as part of or extensions of the same thing, you don't see them as your enemy, you only see the GOP as your enemy, and after reading the stuff you post here for a while I don't think you believe change in the US is possible without some sort of collaboration with the democrats, so I don't understand why aren't you a DSA member instead since its a more explicitely socdem org
>>2825771The discourse around people like Zohran is a mess because people get so caught up in criticizing him from the left for being insufficiently anti-Zionist (which they are right to do) that they lose sight of the fact that the Zionist lobby very clearly see him as a sign that their grip is slipping, and the fact that even his relatively moderate position is a substantial break from the norm in US politics. Obviously this isn't a call for people to excuse his flaws, but they should be at the very least aware of the differences between him and the mainstream, and why the latter get so worked up over him.
>>2825776For me it's all kind of contingent and relative. Like if you're talking about a big-city mayor or a senator, you want Zohran, not Cuomo. Zohran isn't a Maoist but that's not on the ballot so if you live there you go vote for Zohran. I don't live there though. But it doesn't really contain any kind of intrinsic morality (or immorality, which is how I think ultra-lefts tend to see it), like it's not an act of salvation (because it's not an ultimate solution) nor betrayal (because I'm not pretending it's Maoism) in themselves. It's like "being in this world but not of the world" if that makes sense.
>>2825776that's the way of the ultra:
no system is good enough to counter actual existing genocidal imperial capitalism, so every other system are as horrible as the actual existing genocidal imperial capitalism.
don't you believe me?
past thread:
"'leftoids think (that government doing things is socialism) the same thing (as right-wingers believe)''"
but hey, their book reading club composed by 7, maybe 15 being generous, of "elitist" "Marxists" will achieve socialism, and communism any time now.
so the strategy is simple for them:
>the paradigm is egregious>no alternative is as good ss the current paradigm in the west>therefore no action to take action>because all the other alternative badRinse and repeat.
>>2825762What about gamergate, clavicular, asmongold and the whole anti-woke movie reviewer matrix?
>>2825773>instead since its a more explicitely socdem orgnot really, only certain people/groups are
>>2825773>you only see the GOP as your enemyThis but unironically
>>2825789From Fox News Boomers to Asmongold Zoomers, why are Republicans so servile?
>>2825773>ok fine but you clearly see yourself and the DNC as part of or extensions of the same thingNo I don’t
>you don't see them as your enemy,I see them as an obstacle.
>you only see the GOP as your enemyI think we have an over-abundance of what amounts to “jilted ex-liberals” whose lingering resentment over all the many times the DNC has proven itself to be corrupt and untrustworthy and are more concerned with spiting the impotent centrists than dealing with the obvious enemy in front of them.
>>2825791More are older so they know they're less likely to get drafted and can thus offload the cost
>>2825291 >>2825791Their brains have been poisoned by the idea of everything being hierarchical, and as long as they have someone/something they can dominate (socially, physically, or, at the very least, online) they'll gladly roll over and allow themselves to be dominated in turn by people they believe are their betters.
>>2825794That gap is way too big to be explain by just age. You are ignoring how much of a cult they are for trump
>>2825793real men like watters fantasise about other men wearing women's underwear
>>2825765I thought that could be an aspect as well, but surely Argentina's neoliberal experiment is awfully shaky in comparison to historic examples? And if it's merely for basing companies, as in tax structure, he wouldn't have to physically move there for that.
>>2825784The same thing was there with Bernie tbh. People would call him a Rosa killer, a social imperialist, a soft Zionist, etc. These were all valid criticisms and I more or less agree with them. But at the same time it was clear that the DNC regarded even his relatively moderate social democracy as an intolerable threat that needed to be swiftly neutralized. Even if you regard them all as enemies, you should at the very least be aware of the internal contradictions in the enemy camp and why these exist.
>>2825803Thiel built Palantir to spy on Americans but is an extremely private and paranoid person. He doesn't want to be caught molesting and eating little boys on the open air prison cameras.
>>2825765 is correct that Thiel needs a government that gives him unlimited power to terrorize others while protecting himself.
>>2825798If he’s wearing panties it’s not gay to fuck his ass
>>2825811I feel like I shouldn't be surprised at all, it was always kinda building up tot his after all, but it's still kinda bewildering to see them outright say "hey if you came to our country after 1965 or were descended from someone who did you are literally not human but more comparable to a space alien from a sci fi movie!" Like this is the kind of shit you'd see on The Boys
>>2825809stephen miller is an ugly subhuman freak
>>2825809tfw no extraterrertrial gf
>>2825811I mean he already did that, and not just with saying Haitians and others are "eating pets" and "poisoning the blood of our country"
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-expected-highlight-murder-michigan-woman-immigration-speech-2024-04-02/ >>2825792>I see them as an obstacle.they are a bourgeois party, they represent the class enemy of the proletariat, the political subject of the communist party (yours), if you are a communist then they are your enemy not just an obstacle
>>2825809cringy
how are the ufo nuts responding?
Have you all seen what's going down at the Delaney Hall ICE facility in New Jersey? Protestors doing their best to prevent transfers of hunger strikers out of the place, neat thing is that the wife of one of the hunger strikers helped propel people into showing up.
honkoid status?
>>2825822Demanding I feel some visceral outrage at Mamdani or Sanders would just be play-acting, especially against the current circumstances we’re dealing with.
>>2825897bro want that 7000 so bad 😭
>>2825924>No one should ever investigate themselves>We do have an internal process to deal with those issueslole
https://rosegardendsa.substack.com/p/psl-is-a-high-control-group-withDamn you mean to tell me that being funded by an American billionaire living in China isn't working to create a grass roots mass line movement? Holy shit, incredible news
>>2825784>UN votelol ok
>no system is good enough to counter actual existing genocidal imperial capitalism, so every other system are as horrible as the actual existing genocidal imperial capitalism.it's the actually existing reality right now despite actually existing socialism. and i wouldn't call china as much of a malignant force globally as the usa, but in the first place capitalism is not confined to national borders is it?
>>2826033>voluntary mass murderer torture camp guards are not at fault for the murders they commitAmericans are truly disgusting
>>2825809lmfao
This is a really a retarded Gen-Xer admin.
>>2825959>In practice, DemCent groups rarely tolerate any real dissent. As shown below, PSL is once again no exception. It is very hard to square “full and free” discussion with the dozens of expulsions documented above. <WAHHHH WAHHHHH MUH FREEDUMS MUH PARTY DEMOCRACY!!!! AUTHORITARIAN!!!!!shut your bitchass up
Someone needs to ban the pedo that keeps posting about the age of consent.
>>2826045The PSL is a joke and banning factionalism is retarded, cope and seethe
>>2825690Code Pink is cooked because the bulk of their funding comes from this guy lmao
code pink is literally just a PSL astroturfing organization. there's a dozen of these orgs propped up by this dude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_Singham >>2825807when I was in court yesterday there was an unc with a big ass huey p newton shirt on
that shit was a sign
>>2826106<In 2019, Singham started a consulting business with partners in the publicity department of the Chinese Communist Party; the partners are co-owners with Tongren City (Guizhou province) of a "media company that promotes anti-poverty policies" according to The New York Times.[3][4]
<Singham, a socialist, is a benefactor of far-left causes, and an admirer of Maoism. According to The New York Times, he has provided significant funding for media outlets, organizations, and politicians around the world that promote pro-Chinese government propaganda.[5]Insanely mega based like a modern day friedrich Engels
>>2826126nothing says a mass line approach like a billionaire who lives in another country funding things
>>2826128bolsheviks were funded by russian billionaires fuck off retard
>>2826132Don’t you mean german billionaires?
>>2826128Engels was a literally a german living in England, sometimes people live in different places. This guy's just an american, so who cares where he lives?
You're just seething because it's not poverty worship like you do
>>2826137You mean rootless cosmopolitans and gentrifiers?
>>2826138>Hahah but my buzzwords!Cringe
>>2826118
why do you type like a sociopath
>>2826128At least they don’t elevate agitprop from literal neo-nazis to the same level as Marx and Lenin
>>2826139When you have a bunch of money and move somewhere you drive up their prices and people out of their neighborhoods, it’s physics, is gravity a buzzword?
>>2826143He's not doing that in China, nor is it relevant to anything being discussed lmao. If you'd randomly bring up physics and gravity in this discussion that'd also be buzzwords, but even more unrelated to what we're talking about
>>2826126Engels was pro-internationalism not pro-national hegemony like a China-oriented billionaire
>>2826150Yeah things have changed in the last 100 years bozo, there were these events called the Russian and Chinese revolution, don't know if you heard of em
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>>2826157At best they are/were left-populist socdem states just without the "democracy". Economically better than the USA but still not socialist.
>>2826140because i know you'll screenshot it
>>2826159untrue and homosexual
>>2826141the secret neonazi thing is even less convincing than the 19 year old gf one
wondering why all of these rumors and slander are pandering to the right? yall wishcasting i was one of you huh lmao
>>2826161Nah they were/are socialist. If you disagree, make your own socialist revolution and show us how it's done
>>2826170The revolutions were done by socialists but the results were not socialism, nor could they have been in the absence of an international movement
>>2826168whats wrong with having a 19 y/o gf does anyone actually care about that lol
>>2826168Not secret, open. You unapologetically link materials from neo-nazi groups like Crimethinc and the Invisible Committee which played a direct role in the Maiden coup and pretend that they’re on the level of Marx and Lenin. That you haven’t been captured and tortured for information on your comrades is just further evidence that there is no real communist movement in America
>>2826173The revolutions were socialist and resulted in socialism, there was an international movement, though not a world revolution obviously.
How's your socialist project going btw?
>>2826176It's a bit weird, gives loser vibes
>>2826178Wow, frickin authoritarian tankie much? Who gives a shit about lifting hundreds of millions out of extreme poverty and creating the most powerful nations in the world? That pales in comparison to the accomplishments of the western left: burning down homes and businesses in memory of a fent addict and terrorizing people into voting for Genocide Joe!
>>2826179yet when a billionaire does it everyone calls him chad.
let proles have 19 y/o gf's too we deserve college age pussy just as much as porky.
>>2826045demcent is just a machiavellian lie to get people to express their true beliefs to the party so you know who to expunge
>>2826161>but still not socialist.based
>>2826126>>2826106>like a modern day friedrich Engelswow the Maoist glowies did something good for once
but it's good to the org is also just china on pay roll simps like the psl
still hoping for the best for code pink lady
>>2826150my nibba Engels did nothing wrong
>>2826182No socialism is when you have a socialist revolution, establish a DotP and begin socialist construction
>>2826184Chill out with the rightoidism dude
>>2826185No, a lot of people would still call that creepy and weird, I certainly would
>>2826190>muh right>muh leftEmbarrassing that an alleged communist still falls for direction-brained psyops in 2026. As has been demonstrated to you retards time and time again, the only dichotomy that matters in the dawning age of multipolarity is those who support the current system of WEF globalist cosmopolitanism and those opposed to the system
>>2826191nah 19y.o have every right to hunt for cougars
>>2826191if you say so but I'm not sure what's the point of judging two adults in a consenting and mutually loving relationship? does it make your life better in any way to look down on someone for who they date?
I get the same vibe from people who shame "racemixing" or any white guy that dates minority girls/vice versa. If you hate it so much just apply that to your own life lol if I wanna date 19 year old asian baddies as a 34 year old white guy thats my right as a Leninfearing American
>>2826188obviously we don't want to see any of our own targeted by the feds but the very well known fact that these groups are funded by an outsider billionaire will give the those same feds ammunition against them
i have strong opinions about the flaws of the PSL and their funding but seeing them targeted is a reminder that they can and will come for any of us.
>>2826200>self destructive bourgeois sexual paraphilias which directly correlate with fascism are good as long as they’re “consensual” whatever the fuck that means Yup, it’s liberalism
>>2826195Sure, but that doesn't mean you have to act like a reactionary retard talking about "fent addicts" and shit. Take it to Fox news or smt
>>2826035rude
>>2826033NAZDEMSOC GANG >>2826177>neo-nazi groups like Crimethinc and the Invisible CommitteeI bet you like Stalin lmao
>>2826203>dating adults is now a paraphiliayou've genuinely lost the plot. you aren't a marxist just a reactionary that uses marxism as a lens to look down on others. you're no different from christian evangelicals that call everything a sin.
>>2826208Why do you believe that you have the unalienable “right” to stick your dick in whoever or whatever they want based on the meaningless buzzword of “consent”? Why is unrestricted sexual pleasure more important to you than having a functioning society?
>>2826196Sure, and I have every right to judge them
>>2826200There's no point to it, it's just my opinion and one a lot of people share.
It's not really comparable to racemixing imo, because it's about a difference in mental maturity and amount of life experience, not about like being a different race or whatever
>>2826206The truth can be harsh sometimes
>>2826208>just a reactionary that uses marxism as a lens to look down on othersi blame twitter for the modern day version of a red radlib
>>2826207Yes I admire the man whom the proletariat invested power into to turn the Soviet Union into an industrial powerhouse that saved the world from Nazi Germany, as any communist should
>>2826159>>2826162It's real. Mamdani doing a press conference on it right now.
>>2825771>One of the first things Mamdani did as mayor was revoke executive orders barring NYC agencies and employees from boycotting Israel, and he's fighting with the city comptroller over disinvesting the city's pension fund from Israeli bonds. he has also cucked out to zios a bunch of times, but I concede that he is the best of the bunch, he is way better than AOC or Bernie or whatever, he is working inside a zionist apparatus so you cant expect much
I would understand if you wanted to die on the hill of defending Zohran, but Platner? Why dont you at least wait until he wins to see if he has actually changed and delivers? He is going to win anyways
>I'm just saying there's a reason AIPAC and other pro-Israel people in general get so mad about these people and spend millions of dollars trying to keep them out of office. there is another faction of the "pro-Israel people" thats perfectly fine with all these fight agency democrats (starting with Bernie himself lol), and there is also a reason for that. I think its cowardly to pretend all the indications that point out Platner fucking sucks are just fake and gay while at the same time taking these tired good cop/bad cop theatrics at face value. At the end of the day I dont care and I dont blame people if they vote for these candidates as a form of lesser evil or harm reduction or whatever, but why do you have to pretend everyone thats points out the entire thing its ultimately an op to rehabilitate liberal imperialism are just a bunch of le "ultra-left" crazies unhinged moralists?
I think I saw you posting on /ISG/ a few days ago how you consider that arab leftists getting blackpilled about Platner is understandable, but if you dont think everyone on the US left can and should reach the same or similar conclusions than those arabs then it means you dont actually agree or care about them, you think people just need to accept the brand of imperialism that you consider tolerable and doesn't personally disturb you and stop being babies about it (the entire thing its a perfect example "of symbolic politics that makes them feel morally right, but that no effect at all" that you are projecting onto others), and there is already enough people like that in the US, if you are on this website I would imagine you want to see that changing in your lifetime
>>2825805My point exactly:
>2825993'lol UN vote'
if it's so 'lol' why the US votes 'no'?
for them, everything countering the US is performative, but god forbid you ask them what their plans are.
one of the best beers I ever shared was with one of the people on my block in san antonio, only ran into him once I was sitting outside in the alley by the trashcans drinking beer as one does in that city of sprawl, and he walks by and he's got a suicidal tendencies tattoo, so i comment on it, show him my black flag tattoo, and offer him a beer, real old head dude, was into that shit when it was fresh, saw em live in in the late 80s, just dope as fuck to hear those type of stories, he lived on the other side of the block, cannot remember his name but we never ran into each other again
>>2826244Do you think the Russian government genuinely gave a shit even though they voted yes?
>>2825970>>2826247keep this slop in
>>>/siberia/ relationships thread pls
>>2826256hey, ukraine voted since 2019
no to repudiate and condemn nazis and nazism in the UN. they went to a war, including in one of the main objectives that they want to de-nazify ukraine.
you can move the goalposts all you want, that doesn't make you smarter.
>>2825784his tiktok is now private. I used to see his videos reposted here and it would trigger the fuck out of the burgers ITT. he's even better than badempanada because he says all the same correct things about america and israel without any of the unnecessary drama
>>2826278i still struggle with capitalist brain worms, especially when I'm active on social media, it feels like my algorithm has figured out how to psyop me, present women showcasing redpill opinions.
Did I live that life? yes. Did that life select for the type of results expected? yes. Did this present an internal bias that I internalized deeply? Yes. does it take intense internal work to overcome the psyop of traditional gender roles? absolutely.
the fact that I can feel the way a regular chud sort of dude can feel, in my moments of weakness, gives me the ability to relate to and create propaganda that battles against the narratives the alt-right presents, and that's why nearly 80,000 people read my chud the builder takedown before I took it down.
seldom does a man admit he is wrong, yet here I am, admitting I was. you will not screenshot this.
>>2826280do I renounce it? no. not in the sense that you'd like. I posted it. I meant it. I am non-binary but incredibly male presenting. I understand deeply the narratives painted for men, especially young men, especially young men in the internet age. The same psyops that are presented to other men my age are presented to me. Sometimes the brain launders those thoughts as my own. Sometimes I crashout about it. It is a weakness and one of the reasons I center women leadership within my magazine. it is a flaw that I have not defeated, and it is surely not an uncommon one.
>>2826247Being 30 is a superpower because you realize all discourse is a repeat from 10 years ago
Can't wait to be 40 and being involuntarily exposed to the same shit again
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/5899878-no-kings-movement-protests-trump-birthday/We got another No Kings protest scheduled for June 14th, right in the middle of Trump's America festival. Will this be the catalyst for a happening? Will we get our 1905? Or will this be yet another nothingburger?
>>2826282he simply retired for a while. he's back, and chimed in with the Colombian elections, since he lives there.
also, unlike be who said 'who cares about communism' (paraphrasing), he's a communist, so he does care on what he says.
I saved various (14, including that
>>2825784) of his rants before he deleted them, short and long ones.
minus ban for posting this here instead on /ISG/
>>2826289ok my nonbinary friend, but please go focus on your court case
>>2826289>I posted it. I meant itOk? Im asking if you still stand by it. The past tense here makes it seem you don't?
>I am non-binary but incredibly male presenting. I understand deeply the narratives painted for men, especially young men, especially young men in the internet age. The same psyops that are presented to other men my age are presented to me. Sometimes the brain launders those thoughts as my own. Sometimes I crashout about it. It is a weakness and one of the reasons I center women leadership within my magazine. it is a flaw that I have not defeated, and it is surely not an uncommon one.I dont care, as long as you don't perpetuate more essentialism thanks
>>2826261that first one doesn't even belong in siberia it belongs in the sharty
>>2826275>i think it's pretty obvious that this meme is sexist and operates under a right wing rhetoric wherein women hit the wall, which is ironic because the duality of the relationship a young man can develop with an older women is often used as a frame of reference for the opposite, as if one could so easily look past the patriarchal power dynamics at play. Which isn't to deny the sexual agency of young adults, but if this is your hill to die on, especially as a man, that screams something that can really only be described as suspect.tbh I just picked this image because I didn't want to use the one with elliot rodger. I don't think women actually "hit the wall" it's moreso a shift in priorities and lifestyle choices. a 19 year old college girl is more likely to enjoy having fun than a 30 year old that is already winding down her sex life and looking to settle down.
>Especially when you disregard the realities of the family unit as a capitalist mode of production and control (literally just read Engels yes yes someone will bring up me criticizing the PSL earlier whatever man). There was a guy I knew who was 37, he left his wife and two children for a relationship with a 22 year old goth chick. You know, I didn't really care about the age gap, I cared more so about the fact that this dude left his wife holding the bag, is a failure of a father, I cannot fuck with a man who doesn't take care of his kids.correct, but this isn't really any different from people who decide they're suddenly trans/gay/etc after 20+ years of marriage and selfishly abandon their family so they can "find themselves". it's not like everyone who is gay is a homewrecker. you can engage in whatever romantic tastes/proclivities you have and still be ethical about it. a 30 year old man dating a 21 year old girl does not on its face harm society in any way. a 60 year old man dating a 20 year old doesn't harm society either unless your society is itself promoting it. it's totally ok for people to just have preferences in who they date and it's not really anyone else's business.
>essentially there is an absolute material difference between a relationship between an older woman and a younger man and an older man and a younger woman, despite the fact that both can be perfectly acceptable in context. the guy who left his wife and two kids to fuck mid goth pussy wasn't wrong because he was older than the chick he's fucking, he was wrong because he's obviously taking advantage of the fact that he's a database manager working remotely for something like $2000 a week, while she was working at a call center making $13 a week, DJing on the side for extra cash. You see the real, material economic factors that can be generalized here?I totally get that young/old relationships are usually just about the economic power dynamic and coercion and treating the younger partner like your property basically. And that's totally shameful. But tons of same-age adults also engage in this same type of relationship and no one seems to care. Economic coercion exists in basically all our relationships under capitalism, and likely will exist even under communism as people will always want "more" even when their needs are being met. In the same way you can't ever truly get rid of prostitution or porn, you can't get rid of people factoring economics into their dating practices. this is just a reality. As a poorfag loser with no gf living in california and being rejected by dozens of status-obsessed asian girls, I really fucking wish this wasn't the case. but it is. we kinda just have to accept that the world we live in runs based on money. you will almost never enter into a relationship where money isn't a factor. limiting yourself to only dating people who are your economic equal just means no woman will ever want to date you. I've literally tried it lol. even the poor girls heavily prioritize economic status in long-term partners.
ironically, the 19 year olds are appealing because their standards for "economic status" are relatively low compared to the 35 year old women. they aren't thinking of someone that owns multiple rental properties and has a 401k. they're just thinking of a guy with his own car that can take her to concerts and buy her dinner. so in a relative sense, younger girls are waaay more accessible for us poorfags than girls our own age. which is like, half the appeal tbh. I can find a college-aged discord kitten and have a date within a few hours just by being willing to buy her a sanrio plush. meanwhile if I want a date with a career woman I gotta basically be a trust fund kid and have my entire economic future planned out or she'll consider me a deadbeat. fuck that, you know? people are just adapting to their material situation either way. it's only the truly privileged few that actually have a choice in what pussy they go after. everyone else is taking what they can get.
>>2826296Yeah this guy is megabased, hope he's doing well in his influencer retirement
>>2826301I don't care if you care lol
>>2826307
ok dude, you keep on keepin on aiight?
>>2826285why is this spoiled lol
>>2826309he deleted it LOL
>>2825133Look at how these pig zioyanks reaffirm their lies. Paragraphs of regurgitated lies from state department. You zioyanks are utterly deluded. You are the pathetic ones, ziogringo, not venezuela. You are baby blood drinking parasite. Venezuela has defended itself and cowed the yanks.
Those fund are venezuela soveriegn property. Section 1(a) of the U.S. Executive Order, which explicitly states that the funds "constitute property of the Government of Venezuela." Delcy's genius plans have shattered the blockade and all viability of invasion. This hurts your feelings because you blood sucking gringo. Partial hydrocarbon reform is not neoliberal. Partial hydrocarbon reform maintain proletarian state monopoly of hydrocarbon. Venezuela did fight making yanks too afraid to invade. Venezuelan socialist elections were happening anyway, chavista revolution not afraid of election. YOU dont want Chavista to have elections. You are fascist. You are the yank. You are totally wrong.
>>2826313because i clicked on spoiler image
>>2826321Anthony Fantano but he reviews Marxist theory
>I'm feeling a light to decent six on Josef Stalin's Marxism and the National Question >>2826320How fucked was her life that she decided to get with a 22 year old at 9? I mean age of consent is kind of dumb but 9? That's a little too young.
>>2826315It is pretty funny this dude talking bout a man's supposed to be this, men provide that, now claiming to be non binary and showing us pictures of them in a dress. This guy is all over the place man
I'd call it typical
>>2826326She didn't decide. Her parents married her off because they were extremely poor and it was preferable to having another mouth to feed.
>>2826118
Houdini. Get off the internet. They may use this against you at your trial to send you for max time. Every time you post you hurt yourself
>>2826279>accuses me of moving the goalpost<but whatabout muh ukro-nazisKek. I was referring to russian domestic policy but you do you
>>2826328The government is Wile E Coyote running off the cliff and people know it. They’re just waiting for the fall at this point.
>>2826209> the meaningless buzzword of “consent”everyday this place comes up with new howlers
>>2826349You are wrong. You dont know what the fuck youre talking about. Social democrats dont exist in amerika. Thats the first point where you are wrong. They are fascist, not social fascist. You seem to endorse fascism which why you compelled to walk it back. Dimitrov popular front line has no capacity in amerika, like in israel.
>>2826356>You seem to endorse fascism no
>>2826247Age difference relationships are cringe.
>>2826328Wasn't this mfer fired? Or was that someone else, in losing track 😵💫
>>2826349>NOT SAYING PLATNER IS BASED OR THAT YOU SHOULD WALK OVER PALESTINIAN CORPSES TO VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHOYou are saying that tho, the cope about stalin and social fascism and whatnot does not make that not so
"Social democrats" in america are agents of imperialism of the highest order. They literally serve no other purpose than to move people, who might become radicals otherwise and form their own party, to the democratic wing of the uniparty
>>2826209>people fucking destabilizes society because internet vibes Ok incel
>>2826360>i'm not saying X<yes you areah, leftypol
>>2826364>>2826365Im saying that's what your position comes down to in practice retards
>>2826349>even though 85 years ago Stalin worked with liberals like FDR and Churchill to defeat fascism after abandoning the social fascist line in 1935, 91 years ago, choosing to adopt a popular front strategy insteadyeah and look how that worked out, socialists got instantly thrown under the bus and then almost a century of the US exporting genocide and fascism everywhere
thanks Stalin and FDR, very cool!
….are zoomer incels/femcels just mad that gen X’ers and millennials fucked more than they did
>>2826367I blame truman, george kennan, dean acheson, macarthur, the CIA, allen dulles, john foster dulles, zbigniew brzezinski, henry kissinger, and people like that way more than FDR and Stalin. people think the cold war was inevitable but it really wasn't
>>2826354I’m sorry I must have missed the piece of Marxist theory where the Communist Party is concerned with the “consent” of the bourgeoisie when expropriating their ill gotten gains. The conflation of “consent” as being a positive in and of itself is just liberal idealism. Sorry but society has rules that must be enforced to preserve itself, you are not allowed to do whatever the fuck you want just to get your dick wet
>>2826360True. Fetterman is a social democrat. Hitler would be social democrat by yank standards
>>2826369I find you guilty of being too reasonable, knowing too much history, not being ideological enough, and not being edgy enough.
>>2826373>Fetterman is a social democratNo he's a conservative zionist democrat like Joe Biden. He has no connection with DSA or any other social democrats.
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>>2826378>>2826177>the Maiden coupare you referring to Euromaidan 2014 here?
>>2825793>you don't eat soup in public?????????????????????????????
>>2826162>because i know you'll screenshot ityet you deleted it
>>2826409this was controversial even back then and idk why you're trying to make this thread about this
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