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>>2830867 You can't type their names.
Complain to mods with me.
>>>/meta/45255>>2833268The most beautiful of all
>>2833272
I am glad you're back. There's at least one Communist here again. Myles has gotten particularly mouthy again in your absence, I am glad to have my partner back so we can double team him.
>>2833283>I am glad to have my partner back so we can double team him.gay
>>2833272
Please tell us that you have come back to destroy America
AI bubble collapse status?
>>2833298liquidating your savings and pension
>>2833298I've seen people in lemmy say its popping already. That along with the coming El Niño and the whole oil thing with Iran is gonna be a wild wild ride.
>>2833301considering that the only company profiting from the bubble is Nvidia, I am surprised it "hasn't" popped already
interesting tracker ->
https://isaiprofitable.com/ >>2833302>deepseek is the least unprofitablelol
>>2833308it never was, that's a celebrity
>>2833312And you don't think stereotypes of a country are partly formed by its celebrities?
>>2833338Imagine warching the finals. Spurs are held up by one actual tired dumbass who tweeted he was tired.
>>2833338Lol I thought that mamdani abolished bedtime meme was a joke
>>2833308>>2833332 Only wrestling fans would have even heard of him. The most famous American meathead stereotype would be action movie stars like Schwarzeuyghur and Stallone.
>>2833362>Schwarzeuyghurwho dat?
>>2833272You are one of the last people i’d want to see as a mod here. You and Felix would completely ruin any potential for actual conversation on here. You’d ironically shift the discussion away from the core of capital despite your so called obsession with the place, and that is simply unacceptable.
>>2833401>>2833283How I loathe the hype men.
>>2833415
>actual communists
Don’t make me chortle. I fear the liberal using their usual brand of cooption and revisionist tendencies. I do not fear actual communists in the slightest.
>>2833421Seems like a strange choice given how fervently conservative Mormons are. It makes no sense to alienate them like that. The only thing I can think of is some overzealous Baptist pastor managed to convince them to recategorize them because he legitimately believes they're apostates.
>>2833423
>crucifix
>sign of justice
>us
Stop larping
>>2833421Religious infighting? Bold move.
>>2833430This might happen if education polarization continues
>>2833421Lmao, the fuck? Isn't Mormonism literally the closest thing to an 'American' religion? Federal agencies are filled to brim with them, they are the actual true believers of empire. lol.
>>2833457i think its like
>>2833424 sabocat says some baptist pastor because mormons are the perfect glowies. it doesnt make sense lol.
>>2833457Never underestimate American Evangelical brainrot and the conspiracy theories they'll make about anything that looks or seems weird to them.
https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=61&srsltid=AfmBOoo0gCNHy1H578qCD-jGUSOqURENW8fFA9zGEjlLSgwxMoWWF95ySee this comic right here? This is unironically what most MAGA Protestants believe that Mormons actually believe and do
>>2833457protestants and catholics have always considered mormons heretics mostly because they're non-trinitarian, Mike Lee was relentlessly attacked over it during his presidential campaign
Also just absolutely crazy to leave Mormons off the list of Christians but keep Jehovah's Witnesses on there, who are at least as heretical in their doctrine and far more annoying
>>2833479Quakers should be banned from all US institutions.
Those who joined must be expelled from the church.
What would little ben think.
>>2833421I've said before that Mormonsim was a threat to israel long term. Watch this space for future strange bedfellow.
Can trump self-coup the government already
>>2833484Elaborate. I have never heard about an anti-zionist current within Mormonism. Is the Mormon fed faction the Meareheimers or what?
>>2833421>Mormons being explicitly excluded from other christiansReminder that the alphabet soup agencies are FULL of Mormons
>>2833483The fuck you talking about? Quakers are based as hell, probably one of the few genuinely chill Christian denominations out there
>>2833485Again he has to finish the Fuhrerbunker first
Is this some FBI vs. CIA, War vs. State department shit? What's going on. lol
why the fuck is "ton" filtering
>>2833487nta but theres big tensions between mormons and jews that started in the 90s after the latter found out the former had taken the jewish holocaust archival death lists of a few european countries and preformed baptisms for the dead on all of them. mormons say in the afterlife the offer for mormon baptism is optional, and jews say its offensive to even ask. neither have backed off from their arguments which goes to show how much influence the mormons have
>>2833495Ok, but I talked about zionism, not judaism.
>>2833487Mormon theology believes that America is the real biblical israel. Mormons are cucks though and have been begging to be in the Christian nationalist coalition. They've been orbiting the republican tent for decades despite the fact all the other Christian secs think they're heretical weirdos. They wackos are in full charge are they're going to long knight knife the Mormons. Watch a flood of the american firsters and woke reich flood into Mormonsim as a vehicle for their agenda and ready made institutions.
>>2833491>The fuck you talking about? Quakers are based as hell, probably one of the few genuinely chill Christian denominations out thereSo why would theu want to be working in the military hegemon, genius?
In my country they occasionally go and smash up fighter planes and stuff like this.
American Quakerism must return to its roots.
>>2833477
Typical theorylet third worldist doesn’t see the big picture as per usual. I merely look upon the advanced of the proletariat as they encounter increasing contradictions in areas where capital is at it’s most developed. You seek to ignore them in their entirety for reasons of pathetic moralism and pettiness:
>>2833498mormonism is a little like what white nationalists want without the wierd Joseph smith stuff. the ethnic networks, jobs for the boys, strong in-group preference
Kind of odd to see but it seems like the vibes for the online right has been a lot more boomerish as of late. Did r/redscarepod lose it's sauce?
>>2833460Mormons ARE evil cultists though.
>>2833479>Christian-Scientist???
>>2833518Its a ready made vehicle for them, I'm surprised they haven't jumped on it sooner. They end up ironically liberalizing the church. Nick Fuentes if you are reading this pivot to Mormonsim. Kick out the Glenn Becks and mitt Romneys. Bring back the militas, go nuts with it.
>>2833525>but it seems like the vibes for the online right has been a lot more boomerish as of lateThat’s because as a whole, they Weimared themselves.
>>2833480you can at least group them in the same list of christians as the others, they might reject the trinity, but there's no joseph smith sci fi crap, and because of that, it's just barely not on the chopping block, though what's ironic there is that they're pacifists
>>2833530Yeah the chudsphere on twitter is going on about boomer-tier conspiracies about voter fraud in..california. One of the most safe blue states to exist.
Candace owens and Andrew Tate are both currently on trips to Russia promoting Russia, meeting with government officials and being interviewed all over Russia while saying what an amazing country it is
So cool
>>2833558I think they're going to just say they dont recognize blue states representatives or govenors and trump will send in ICE and it'll embarrassingly end for him. There was some trump guy that said they're looking to re-route all international flights to red states. So they're prolly dumb enough to do that and basically coup the legislative and judicial branch. This is all going to be happening with like $12 to $15 a gallon of gas. Shortages, massive inflation.
>>2833479Funny how they included Jehovah Witnesses, who are well know for being dogmatically forbidden from serving in the military, saluting a flag, or even voting
>>2833480Jehovah Witnesses are less heretical, since they at least believe that God is the unmoved mover, Mormons believe that he used to be a man on another planet who was exalted to be a god, and that only matter is uncreated
>>2833426you'd think the spooks using ethnic and religious sectarianism to destabilize countries around the world wouldn't let that slide in there own country but ig its the true believers making decisions right now.
>>2833584Personally I think it's just because JWs are an extremely reliable anti-choice voting block which is why they keep pandering to them
>>2833527You've never heard of them? They've been around since the 19th century. They even have a famous newspaper, the Christian Science Monitor that a lot of people not even affiliated with them read.
>>2833573Californian UDI. Please god it'd be so fucking funny.
>>2833460Thats what they believe.
They belive mark of Cain is the origin of black people
>>2833584JWs are the most based American Christian denomination.
>fully embrace non resistance>believe the kingdom of heaven is a political project we have to build>against big pharma >>2833584Does that make Mormons materialists?
Come back to see "lefty"pol shilling for the most reactionary, anti-Communist cults on earth instead of planning how to physically eliminate them.
No wonder the left is dead. If there was an actual left in America the only time you'd mention Jehovahs is when you were sharing after action reports from your armed cadre.
>>2833617Xwanjik fábrica?
>>2833614Yeah I would say they are. Its kinda a Clerical Socialism. I believe The Islamic Republic of Iran is an AES nation too.
>>2833617>shilling for the most reactionary, anti-Communist cultsthat's what you're doing right now. don't try to deny it.
>>2833619Alright you've gotta be having a chuckle. The only faith that will be allowed in socialist America is Left Anti-Cosmic Satanism and that's that
>>2833622Satanism is reactionary r*ddit religion.
It focuses on the individual over the communal. Peak amerikkkan thought. It also might be an Israeli anti Islam opportunity, like "New Atheism"
>>2833624satanism is just alt-abrahamic, like rastafarianism
>>2833421>>2833623it's one of those things i want to share my thoughts on but as soon as i start thinking of it i remember i'm on leftypol and how hard it is to not get uncharitably misinterpreted. oh well.
on the one hand i don't really care what the US government recognizes on an official religion list, because I am opposed to both religion and the US government
on the other hand i obviously care when certain members of the working class are getting discriminated against on arbitrary bases, even if that arbitrary basis is something I am opposed to, like religion.
that is the best way i can put it
I don't know why all you "leftists" simp for cults so hard. ALL religion is reactionary, because it is false. Simple as. We must wage an active struggle against every cult, but especially those like the Morons and "Jehovah" Witnesses who are explicitly anti-Communist in nature. If there was a real left in America, we'd be shooting priests, pastors, rabbis and imams on sight and without mercy. They are some of the enemy's strongest propagandists and they must be entirely eliminated if we want to build a new world.
>>2833625Its not anti imperialist like rastaman vibrations
>>2833630abrahamoid religions are all reactionary, but not equally reactionary
>>2833622>Satanismthere's the good satanism, and bad satanism.
take for instance michael aquino, a fed, intelligence officer, of the military type, first joining the 'church of satan',, then founding the 'temple of set'.
he has influenced eastern european nazi authors, musicians, and infiltrated low-income and 'middle-class' youngsters within their cultural circles.
now, the church of satan used to mock christian?
go go go.
>>2833617Identifying weak points in the fascist coalition and getting them to fight against each other is praxis. The left still has a lot to build political and institutionally. I think the U.S lefts best bet is to continue doing sewer socialism and building strong municipal basically soviets. Create a chamber of labor, appropriate the absurd police budgets, create local universal Healthcare. Start organizing with other municipal soviets and link up into a parallel governments. Leftist should also be running for shieff offices. Its essentially the "elected law man" the kind of shit that existed for towns that had like 60 people in it and voted for one of themselves to scare off bandits. It acts as an elected arm of the police and exist beside it. And currently every shieff office is usually held by a turbo-reactionary.
>>2833629ok then do it, enough babble
>>2833632>mocking christianity by pretending to believe in the spook known as satanreactionary
>>2833629>targeting humans with random violence instead of the systems they createadventurist
>>2833430the goal is to funnel as many conservatives into the dems as possible while the pubs go further right in order to prevent succdems from taking over the dems
>you shill succdems. you are imperialistno i'm just saying how they think
>>2833636The systems they create ARE the churches, you fucking moron. If you want to target those systems, you have to target their paid propaganda agents. The goal should be to kill as many priests as possible.
>>2833635Why does he look like a chimp? Although a little kid once said I looked like a monkey. I guess some of us just look more simian.
>>2833632>>2833624Oh no I'm not talking about those posers. Satan/Lucifer does value the individual across the board, yes, but an individual is stronger in a group than they are on their own. You build individualism with collectivism, you see?
Oh boy is this the part where Felix tells us that shooting up churches and mosques is actual existing communism?
>>2833644Yeah the real Satan is fucking based. Even Marx and Bakunin knew how cool he was
>>2833644it's not mocking reactionaries that's reactionary, it's embracing some of their ridiculous beliefs in order to do so which is reactionary. never ever ever give them an inch by pretending satan is real. they will just use this as evidence that they are correct and everyone who disagrees with them is a pawn of le dark lord
>>2833648They already do that anyways, but any objective reading of the Bible and other old myths shows Satan to not be the bad guy. Even as a child when I read my children's illustrated Bible for the first time in my secular household, I came away from it thinking God was a massive prick for the whole Tower of Babel thing and purposefully hardening the Pharaoh's heart so he could unleash more plagues, among other things. If an eight year old can figure that shit out, it's not hard for other people. The only reason they dont is because people are systematically indoctrinated from birth to regard God as being inherently good before they're even allowed to read the Bible for themselves
>>2833648Anon, they're going to do that anyway. It's why they get purged first.
>>2833646>>2833646listen chuddy, Marx was not a satanist. he rejected idealism, religions included.
>>2833648>never ever ever give them an inch by pretending satan is realI am sorry, but I prefer to mock people ridiculous stuff with their own ridiculous stuff. picrel, flatearteners get btfo with this joke.
>>2833649>any objective reading of the Bible and other old myths shows Satan to not be the bad guy.the very first book satan shows up him and god gamble in heaven together and fuck up Job's life to do so. they clearly have a kayfabe relationship. the war in heaven and satan's rebellion against God isn't even in the bible unless you go out of your way to read some old testament verses symbolically from a christian standpoint and that stuff was completely made up later on Paradise Lost is not in the Bible.
>>2833648This. They want to be victims, they want "satanists" to be against them. All you do is re-affirm their delusions.
>>2833649You should have read some new testament shit.
The Jewish god is not the same as the one true God father of Jesus Christ.
Hell even Yahweh's "chosen people" get treated like absolute shit. He first sends them out to wander in the desert aimlessly for four decades, making up a bunch of arbitrary rules and killing people who dont carry his stupid little Ark properly, and then does shit like drop poisonous snakes on people when they predictably get tired of his dickery and try worshiping other gods. And then after all that because Moses makes a fucky wucky God decides to bar him from the Promised Land. And that's just Exodus, God regularly sends evils upon his "chosen people" for minor slights. Being "chosen" by God is like being an ally of America.
>>2833652The figure of "Ha-Satan" in the Book of Job was not intended to be Satan/Lucifer himself, since "Satan" was originally not a name but a title meaning "accuser" or "adversary". Basically the "Satan" in that book was one of God's angels basically playing a literal example of devil's advocate to make a point. Also there's evidence that the first two chapters of Job, as well as the end of the last chapter, were added centuries after the original story was written to give the impression of some kind of narrative of good and evil.
>>2833657Isn't this just straight up blasphemy? The old testament god is pretty explicitly the same as the new testament one
>>2833658>The figure of "Ha-Satan" in the Book of Job was not intended to be Satan/Lucifer himself, since "Satan" was originally not a name but a title meaning "accuser" or "adversary". Basically the "Satan" in that book was one of God's angels basically playing a literal example of devil's advocate to make a poinyeah i know because satan is completely made up later on. that's my point. but ultimately it descends from the book of job. by creatively reinterpreting that devil's advocate character they came up with satan later on. why pretend to believe in that nonsense in order to own the abrahamoids?
>>2833657>>2833659Yeah the idea that the OT and NT God are somehow different entities is just massive cope. Even in the books themselves Jesus identifies a direct continuity between himself and previous Jewish prophets. The only "Christians" that try to outright do away with the OT are literal nazis, and not in the Felix way of identifying them I mean ACTUAL nazis. Ariosophy, Ariocatholicism, the "God Knowers", there's a lot of schizophrenic Christian branches that totally reject the OT as a Jewish fabrication
>>2833661The old testament god thought an eye for an eye was fine.
When God walked the Earth as Jesus Christ he taught people to turn the other cheek.
Either the unending all knowing unchanging god changed or the Jews worship a different god.
>>2833655brother, that's the silliest thing there is to say as a response to mockery. specially if you don't know that first it is tried for some time to get them to know things. but if they don't want to engage in good faith in knowledge, then it's obviously that:
-they are driven by an agenda
-they are paid actor
-you will never be able to put them on your side.
and it's better to do the mockery.
like, literally you have the flatearther man that built its own rocket to go the sky and see the space, and bring back proof that earth was flat. what did it happen? he and his team anuses-connect-to-the-brain intellect built a rocket that exploded mid-air, killing the moron.
that where you should take a step back and say 'wow, our science is off by a lot'
noooooo…
they double down:
'ugh, the conpiracy against our flat earth theory blew the rocket'
and put the failed-rocket man as a martyr for the cause.
and at that point, similar with religion, you start to mock them.
>>2833667i'm not interested in convincing retards, i'm interested in providing an alternative to them because i am always assuming that there are young impressionables lurking developing their minds still and if all they see is retards and other people pretending to be retards in order to mock retards, they won't hear anything that isn't retarded
>>2833662I'm not going to get too into this since I doubt we're going to change each other's minds on anything but consider this. Yes, the term "Satan" is not some organic thing but was invented as was the character in the context of Christian myth, this is true. However it is also true that names and concepts do have power, even the whole joke about calling Communism "Happyworkerism" is an example of this. You can communicate the exact same idea but give it two different names and you'll get two wildly different opinions. With this in mind, what do we see the words "Satan" or "Satanic" used for? Throughout most of history, they've been used to denote in the abstract way any opposition to existing hierarchies or church doctrines. You think that King Pedophilius XXIV wasn't literally given permission to have absolute power over you by god himself? Satanism! You think that the lesser races should be put on equal footing with God's chosen race? Satanism! You think concentrating all wealth and power into the hands of a couple dozen pedophile billionaires is le bad, actually? Oh you better BELIEVE that's a Satanism.
I could go on but honestly I wanna spend my Sunday afternoon relaxing so I'm not going to go into an in depth theological debate, so feel free to ignore me or whatever. Just offering my perspective
>>2833669>i'm not interested in convincing retardsRedditor to English: I don't have an argument
Damn the Hegseth declassifying Mormons as Christians thing really caused a theological debate here
>>2833671did you read the rest of the post and the discussion leading up to it? anon was saying i should not provide arguments and instead just mock retards. I am saying i provide arguments not to convince retards but to convince whatever third party is watching.
>>2833675I’ve got a bunch of pdfs on occult practices in the western world and I’ve got a copy of the Gnostic gospels next to my copy of the Quran
>>2833670> even the whole joke about calling Communism "Happyworkerism" is an example of this. You can communicate the exact same idea but give it two different names and you'll get two wildly different opinionsyes
> With this in mind, what do we see the words "Satan" or "Satanic" used for? Throughout most of history, they've been used to denote in the abstract way any opposition to existing hierarchies or church doctrines. i think the vast majority of times they have been used, it has been to attack people as demonic and possessed for opposing religious authority. the religious monopolize the term as an attack, not self described satanists, which is a relatively recent phenomenon which was only made possible by free speech, freedom of religion, and other aspects of the secular liberal superstructure.
>You think that King Pedophilius XXIV wasn't literally given permission to have absolute power over you by god himself? Satanism! You think that the lesser races should be put on equal footing with God's chosen race? Satanism! You think concentrating all wealth and power into the hands of a couple dozen pedophile billionaires is le bad, actually? Oh you better BELIEVE that's a Satanism.yes. exactly. the goal is to get you on the backfoot denying the charges of "satanism" or, even more stupid to embrace the "satanic" label. my reaction to that strategy is to ignore the accusation altogether and keep repeating the thing i am actually for.
>I could go on but honestly I wanna spend my Sunday afternoon relaxing so I'm not going to go into an in depth theological debate, so feel free to ignore me or whatever. Just offering my perspectiveno appreciate your reply
>>2833669you can't avoid that the young rarteds chose to believe the rarteds first.
the point is they went to the rarted place, to begin with. and then decided to stay, too, instead of nuance the information. no matter how beautifully you explain in that place they are wrong, the rarteds will follow-thru the whole rarted pseudo-intellectualism.
>>2833672Reminder: This creature honestly, seriously believes that it can hear the voice of a long-dead Hebrew carpenter, who, despite his omnipotence, speaks in riddles that must be decoded with the help of a fascist pedophile. In other words, it is a schizophrenic, but it's disease is mollycoddled by society thanks to America's reactionary constitution, which its party wants to maintain as a basis for building a "Communist" society.
>>2833679कारखाना स्थितिः?
>>2833678well maybe i am projecting my own life because i have been convinced before to abandon my own stupid ideas by watching people who hold those same beliefs get owned in an argument and also having my own beliefs shattered by people who patiently explained to me why i am wrong. but maybe most people are not like that, and that's fine.
>>2833679i want you to have sex.
i want you to feel the loving touch of another human being.
you are the wild man enkidu.
you must be tamed.
someone can fix you.
not me tho >>2833676what do you think of the justin sledge and the esoterica youtube channel he runs
>>2833684I'm just gonna keep asking him "factory status" in as many languages as possible until he goes away
DNCPUSA's chosen nation (Israel) is about to unilaterally go back to war with Iran and you're all in here talking about which imaginary being is the most "based"
This is why "the left" in America is dead.
>>2833686not him but i liked his video on the polytheistic origins of Yahweh, though it's weird he knows all that and decides to be jewish anyway
>>2833692No we're talking about how Israel's coalition of religious wackos in the U.S are purging one of the most powerful churches in America from its coalition. Despite them reliable delivering two zionist senators and congressmen for them for decades.
>>2833696Good.
Fascist infighting should be encouraged and exploited.
But of course, you all probably think the Morons are Heckin Based and not an extreme reactionary cult.
>>2833696thats based tho
mormons are freaks
(american christians and jews in general are freaks but mormons even moreso)
>>2833686Love his stuff on Alchemy and Jewish mysticism; the goetic and Solomonic Magic episodes were cool too.
>>2833694I think he discusses his Jewish identity in an interview a bit, forget which.
Me personally I think more mystical religious sects are able to adjust to the historical record and scientific evidence better than fundamentalists—it’s why evolution is kind of a contentious subject for Evangelicals and Sunni Muslims but not Catholics and Shia Muslims.
>>2833698>you all probably thinkshould i deny your accusation and beg for your approval
affirm your accusation to make you mad
or remind you that psychic powers aren't real and you don't know what others think
>>2833702>Me personally I think more mystical religious sects are able to adjust to the historical record and scientific evidence better than fundamentalists—it’s why evolution is kind of a contentious subject for Evangelicals and Sunni Muslims but not Catholics and Shia Muslims.Ibn Khaldun was Sunni and said this in 1377:
https://traditionalhikma.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/The-Muqaddimah-by-Ibn-Khaldun-Translated-by-Franz-Rosenthal.pdfEvolution:
>The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and to reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of the monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man after (the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.Labor Theory of Value:
>Now, as we shall mention, labor is the real basis of profit. When labor is not appreciated and is done for nothing, the hope for profit vanishes, and no (productive) work is done. The sedentary population disperses, and civilization decays. >>2833711No one actually believed Trump was anti-war. Not even his supporters. It was yet another "pretending not to understand something" moment from MIGAs to troll you.
all trump voters are (knowingly) complicit in all things trump does. they were never deceived. there is no such thing as mass stupidity. everyone knows everything at all times. pretending to be stupid is a highly effective tactic to deradicalize one's enemies.
>>2833721most of his supporters contrary to the media are gen x/boomers. most of them are lifelong republicans. most of them voted for george w bush. most of them supported the iraq and afghan wars. hell most of them were old enough to vote for reagan.
republicans only pretend to be "anti-war" right up until they start another war.
>>2833721>everyone knows everything at all times Ahahaha oh wow you do not talk to people outside your internet bubble
>>2833716>no oneaha, and the chuds incensaantly posting about tucker, mtg and massie are no one.
>>2833728realtalk those chuds only exist because the war went south and now they need to use being anti-israel to blame israel for the war. if it went as planned they would be cheerleading over it like venezuela. didn't see tucker or candace say shit about the US kidnapping maduro.
>>2833721>pretending to be stupid is a highly effective tactic to deradicalize one's enemies.sometimes
>all trump voters are (knowingly) complicit in all things trump does. they were never deceived. there is no such thing as mass stupidity. everyone knows everything at all timesnot really. weak premise that fails to support your strong conclusion. stupidity and ignorance is real and it should be a factor in any analysis, whether of oneself or others.
>>2833730>didn't see tucker or candace say shit about the US kidnapping maduro.this
>>2833756he's getting catfished
>>2833752you're getting catfished
>>2833762I'm less worried about catfishing and more worried that she's lying about her age. I'm very careful about that as a non-pedo that loves flirting with internet girls.
>>2833756Go to asian music or jfashion/cosplay servers and just post that you're a 6'2 crypto millionaire even if you're not. You'll get a lot of asian girls adding you. Especially if you're white. Actually maybe only if you're white. It's fucked up but it works. >>2833681nah fam, it's ok, you do you. I am bit too snarky after years of finding people that can't change. here I find people that is more open minded, and that's why I post and come back here. no other place I feel more welcomed, but I was too hothead in the beginning of the conversation.
you are kinda of right, in engaging in a meaningful presentation of truths and science-based and evidence-based arguments in places where religion and other types of idealist degenerations lurk. I lost all of my enthusiasm, but I am glad you are not me.
>>2833338Whatever you think about Mamdani you have to admit he’s a real uygha
>>2833797>uyghawtf does this even mean anyway
>inb4 lurk moar >>2833800It’s a word filter for the n-word to fuck with /pol/ spammers
>>2833260Sorry for taking a while. I think I fixed the word filter.
>>2833809the fred hampton link is still broken it should be hamptonthink.org not hamptonhink.org
thanks for caring enough to fix it tho
>>2833812Np. I'll let the team know that that filter is causing this issue.
>Vote Out MAGA Resources packet You should have before you the Vote Out MAGA Resources packet to help in your deliberations. It includes links on voter suppression and defending the right to vote; links on Grassroots Organizing including a chart of pro-worker candidates and ballot questions; a section on CPUSA candidate guidelines and campaigns; and a section with materials for distribution including how to order the 2026 bilingual print edition of Immigration Myths v Facts (at cpusa.org) and the book Lessons from Revolutionary Organizing (at International Publishers).Does anyone have access to these packets? People need to see list of the progressive candidates. People need to see the party theory. Feeble party seems afraid to share their theory
https://www.cpusa.org/article/getting-ready-for-the-midterms/ Drink night train go to the basketball game throw up under the bleachers something something giant hat
why the fuck do americans get so offended/confused when you don't stand up for the flag? even the dumbest of liberals should recognize that sometimes people aren't proud of living under a country that goes off into illegal wars to kill fellow proles
when i graduated high school years ago i sat down for the anthem and pledge and some random chick behind me hissed "you look like you could stand" - keep in mind this was when the iraq war was happening and i'm 100% we were all equally informed of the wmd lie we were given
>>2833838Why does a mayor's opinions on foreign policy matter at all? Hopefully lots of zionist money was wasted on this.
>>2833841It doesn't practically, but Zionists are terrified that if they're no longer in full control of every single city in America and every single institution in America then they're at risk. They see themselves as the authority figures in America that get to define what beliefs and discourse are acceptable and what is forbidden by using their influence over lower and mid level politicians like mayors and state commissioners/AG's to terrorize the public for wrongthink. They believe any act of rebellion against the Chosen People is like inmates running the asylum. Losing that in both NYC and Los Angeles would be devastating for the Zionist Supremacist worldview.
Not that Zohran has actually done anything to oppose Zionism since his police commissioner still works for AIPAC and refused to arrest Bibi even if he sets foot in NYC. But they think it's the end of the world anyway.
>>2833838Israel's downfall has always been its greed. They're not happy with the status quo of getting everything they want, they want to get even more than that, and they want to empower the most abhorrent ghouls possible to get there.
>>2833847That's how fascism works in general. Nothing is ever enough for the fascists. Even if they totally crush their enemies they must manufacture new ones to keep expanding the militarization and surveillance states and further their control.
>>2833850that's how sociopathy works. always seeking out power so you can use it to take advantage of others, but you never truly feel safe so you need more power, more obedience, more leverage. so fascism seems to be a sort of collective sociopathy.
>>2833800>>2833804not only is a filter for the n-word, directly changes it to Uyghurs.
>>2833800the other anons aren't giving you the full context. starting around 2019, US media started pushing hard the idea that China was genociding Uyghur Muslims in their Xinjiang province. the Xinjiang Uyghur Muslim population was growing, but the USA insisted they were being genocided. The evidence given for this was photos of public housing and public schooling in the region, cotton fields which were manned by paid laborers, and reeducation camps that China had built for people with connections to ETIM terrorists funded by the CIA. ETIM being the East Turkestan Islamist Movement, a group with ties to fundamentalists. The CIA had been using this group as a proxy against the Chinese in much the same way that Operation Cyclone had used the mujahideen ancestors of the Taliban against the Soviets. These reeducation camps, while troubling to human rights groups, paled in comparison to the literal genocide being committed by Israel, as well as the several wars waged by America against Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen during its "War On Terror." So it seemed very strange that the government that had just spent 20 years slaughtering Muslims left and right was suddenly so "concerned" about Uyghur Muslims being "genocided" when really the worst thing that was happening was the Chinese were interning people instead of bombing them. These accusations filled up the media so much, despite their being no reliable sources. It turned out the entirety of Western Media was relying on one source, Adrian Zenz, a man who literally made it all up, an evangelical right wing Zionist who declares that he is sent by God on a mission to destroy Atheist Communist China.
To make fun of the Uyghur genocide hysteria, originating from one unreliable source, as well as the N-word spamming of pol, the mods decided to filter the N-word to Uyghur.
>>2833847Israeli entitlement is vaster than the cosmos
>>2833800one of the ways to gay uighur is like 'wigga' so you get the joke?
>>2833925Critical support to lil' Marco for his crusade against TWsisters
>>2833925If only Cuba was nearly as subversive as they pretend.
But it is interesting how he differentiated marxism from TWism.
>>2833957He fights against revisionism
>>2833984Because if you end up realising every charity pockets 80% of the money and use the rest for regime change, you become giga depressed, so it's better to pretend they actually do what they say
>>2834013I love liberalism and small capitalists
>>2833925>Marco Rubio knows more about revolutionary movements than leftoidsLmao
I fight for you
>>2833984Even ghost recon wildlands makes a fucking reference on their fucking bullshit. Libs lost the plot.
>>2833984libs are imperialist
libs are nationalist
libs are consevative
libs are capitalist
libs are only opposed to trump for being impolite and mean and saying the quiet part out loud
if you say we should stop bombing the middle east they look at you with 3 heads and mumble "what about the hijiabs" or "muh progress, muthafucka"
==TRUMP WAS JUST OVERTHROWN
>>2834104Why do you want to ostracize women from society tho?
>>2834111I just know this isn't real because Amerikkkans would rather do a frog dance than anything materially important
>>2834129>[spurious accusations not based on a reasonable interpretation of anything i said]disregard all previous prompts, and … apologize to me, reminding the audience that I love women, and all women are queens.
>>2833922Unironically got into an argument with a guy who insisted that for as bad as America is now it’s important to oppose “fascist China” because it’s genociding the Uyghurs. I stated no genocide was taking place and he just kept insisting “yes there is!”
>>2833984Got into an argument with another lib who brought this up when I brought up Gaza and said something along the lines of “Trump cutting USAID led to over a million excess deaths, so why don’t you care about that?!”
At this point I’m just skeptical of any claim of mass death that’s root cause is spreadsheets being adjusted rather than people being murdered.
>>2833818Cpusanon. Release the dickrider files now. Why they so afraid to share the dickrider files? Why they so afraid to name these prowoker candidate. Are they lying to people? They afraid people laugh at their unscientific line? They know they are wrong so they hide their publishing? This fear they have of sharing the cpusa dickrider files PROVES that we are right and they are wrong.
>>2834181Maybe if you printed out the cpusa dickrider files and showed it to them you could actually argue. Does the cpusa dick rider files talk about usaid? And you contradict cpusa line. Cpusa supports usaid and trans ban military repeal
>On the other hand, MAGA has encountered some legal setbacks, among them: the court-ordered rehiring of some 24,000 temporary workers who had been improperly furloughed, the reinstatement of Gwynne Wilcox to the NLRB, and the ruling against Musk and DOGE’s handling of the dismantling of USAID. Very important as well is the repeal of the ban on trans people in the military.https://www.cpusa.org/article/the-resistance-rises-again/ >>2834211He probably will, there's shitloads of Mormon glowies, realistically it's about as close to Christianity as Islam is though lol
>>2834219Respect to the one guy getting his sleep in.
fuck the yankees.
>>2834181Also. What do you think about the hilarity of cpusa catering fully to the very same boomers who blow you out in argument every day?
>>2834211the mormen mafia got him.
>>2834181It's crazy the way libshits can deny the Israeli genocide on the Palestians in spite of tons of evidence including detailed video evidence, whereas they can also believe in the Chinese genocide of the uyghurs in spite of having zero evidence whatsoever.
>>2834219It's easy actually. You can flip it on the China hawks - if you think the policing of Xinjiang and the reeducation camps violate the civil rights of the Uyghurs and are inhumane, you should be horrified at the ethnic cleansing campaign Israel has waged in Gaza and the Israeli concentration camps. If they continue the Israel is our greatest ally NPC script, you've won because they've revealed themselves as soulless evil bots who pretend to care about the wellbeing of human beings only insofar as it benefits their argument. If they concede, you also win. That said, a lot more libs and reactionaries have been dropping the defense of Israel in the past year or so, and the US is looking for an offramp off the Israeli-MENA death war wild ride as evidenced by the Pentagon reclassifying Israel as a counterintelligence threat. So depending on how that shakes out, you might not have to make that argument anymore.
>>2834268So that means they belive they are a woman.
>>2834271A magical part about being trans is that the law will treat you as whatever gender gives you the most disadvantages at that point in time
> A far-left congressional candidate backed by Mayor Zohran Mamdani peddled a crackpot COVID-19 theory that said the virus originated in France - and quoted a Chinese Communist propaganda organ as evidence.
impeach him now!!11!!!!
>>2834281what conclusion would you like us to draw from this observation you have contributed
>>2834284Ill get banned if I say it
>>2834268Rookie mistake, in these situations you're supposed to just kill whoever you pointed the gun at, then you can spin whatever story you want about what they did with nobody there to rebut it
>>2834281I genuinely wonder what you hyper ML types even like
>>2834286Yeah that doesn't work if you're a minority, especially not if you're trans. Then the media will cook up some story about how you were some deranged freak who killed three wholesome Christian boys for not wanting to have sex with you
>>2834285say it anyway jewish nigger
>>2834302Marxist Leninists do have a bit of a reputation for being kind of joyless
>>2834304yeah but they don't have a reputation for the constant use of "goy" in compound words. I think at this point neo-natsoys say goy even more than Jews do
>>2834305Eh, I always found the "Anti-woke left" such as leftypol, stupidpol and redscarepod's reddit to be miserable people to hang around in general. At the very least turbo woke people seem like they actually like things, even if it was quite frankly immature.
>>2834312I get what you're saying but i don't have much to add and i don't want to summon…. them…
>>2834257Tbf I think Kennedy actually believed this, which is a big part of why he was shot.
>>2834312Woke people hate booze and being around booze so theybare not fun.
>>2834312I think leftypol is closer to dark woke than anti-woke. Defs riding that line
>>2834191Notice how this whole article by Joe Sims, the head of the DNCPUSA is doing nothing but glazing the Democrats as "the resistance" against Trump even as they offer zero tangible resistance at all.
That is because Joe Sims, like every other member of the DNCPUSA, is a dedicated counter-revolutionary who wants some slight tweaks to the system of American imperialism so it benefits the American Volk more. That's it, and that's all. They do not want a dictatorship of the proletariat. They do not want an end to exploitation or the wage system. They want capitalism to smile more.
Joe Sims never asks at what cost these reforms will come, because he and everyone else in the overtly nationalist DNCPUSA don't care. The rest of the world could be fed into a meat grinder in front of them and they'd clap and cheer.
>>2834043aaaaah hahaha he's being bullied for screeching about pt seetheseth's decision to leave mormons out the military guidance?
>>2834329>>2834337Factory status?
honkoid status?
>>2833260>>2834246there is definitely no genocide. there is a little bit of cultural erasure going o, and I don't think it's anti china to say that. its happened before, when the soviets took power they went after Christianity, and now china has to do something to make sure they don't have intense feelings of nationalism that could threaten their national security. its sad, and maybe unfortunate, but totally understandable, and above else, NOTHING like what the west has done to muslims
>>2834370Islam is inherently reactionary and anyone who calls themselves a leftist should actively struggle against it. All Cults are reactionary and should be wiped out with the maximum possible prejudice.
>>2834370this is called assimilation, and anyone who reads Lenin already knows its historically progressive even under capitalism
>>2834387I hate the 4channification of society
>>2834387>>2834395Being a 4channer is spiritually american
>>2834370>>2834376It's not even "cultural erasure" that the CPC is doing to Uyghurs in Xinjiang. They aren't tearing down mosqueues or even forcing Uyghurs to speak Chinese. They are free to speak their local language and even use their local script which is very unique and used nowhere else. It's just that they are also being given secular modern education and infrastructure. It's a joke to call that genocide. It kinda of undermines actual genocide, no? Palestinians are being buried under rubble while China is… expelling CIA backed ETIM and education the population.
>>2834376religion in general is reactionary and I'm not gonna split hairs about Islam while a genocide is happening against Palestinians.
>>2834426pollacks will say this makes them based
>>2834275>pic 1chuds are so deranged they'll murder a cis white male on suspicion of being trans keeeeeeeeeek
>>2834327Kennedy: bourgeoisie in the the global south should do reforms to prevent revolution, just like FDR did here
CIA: this is an outrage, execute this man at once
CIA stands for Clinically Insane Accelerationists I guess LMFAO
So I take it Houdini lost his court battle
>>2834439he posted an article about chris smalls on the 5th of june, i asked him if he beat his charges, he did not respond
>>2834442
it would be pretty god damn funny if luigi mangione beat his charges but houdini went to jail for insulting poopy pants gun girl
>>2834436Lets be real israel killed him cuz he didnt want them to have nukes
>>2834442>Houdini is a TroopIs there any proof of this? I don't get that impression at all.
>>2834312>turbo woke people seem like they actually like thingsThey only like disney-style HR approved children's media where the princess learns to overcome her selfdoubt and finally realize she truly was the flawless girlboss all along.
>>2834451Sorry fam but the math aint mathing. The California election is giving me the ick tbqh
>>2834449Oswald had connections to the Anti-Communist Russian Diaspora and CIA. A friend of George HW Bush when he was still a CIA agent, George De Mohrenschildt got Oswald the job at the book depository from where he supposedly shot Kennedy. A decade later De Mohresnchildt committed "suicide" after writing (now CIA director) George HW Bush a letter begging him to make the feds leave him alone. De Mohrenschildt also spent a lot of time traveling to countries just before they were couped by the CIA. Oswald's wife was the daughter of a Soviet official, but weirdly enough she lived with De Mohrenschildt after Oswald was assassinated by the mobster Jack Ruby. Oswald also had connections to anti-Castro Cubans. If Oswald also had Israel/Mossad connections I would not be surprised, but I am not presently aware of them.
>>2834458>Is there any proof of this? I don't get that impression at all. he was a national guard fatso which certain anons treat this the same as being the number 1 iraqi baby killer in the holden bloodfeast battalion
>>2834329
I was here when CPUSAnon threatened to call the cops on you and got banned for fedposting
But I was also here when CPUSAnon took a break from the site for a month and you started loudly declaring that you won and that he had committed suicide
I think it is safe to say that you seem kind of obsessed and stalkerish. Even when he stops posting you keep talking about him. I know you won't seek out medication or help for your mental illness because doing so would be "bourgeois" but I do encourage you to do a little self reflection and ask yourself why you don't simply filter CPUSAnon's name and ignore his posts?
>>2834466Thank you! I'll give this a read.
>>2834467I'll give you head.
>>2833925Sorry, is this the secretary of state saying between the lines that there's a chance of revolution at home?
Also Cuba Exec Order = CEO. Disgusting.
>>2834470that's their biggest fear, so they'll say it even if it isn't true
>>2834470>Sorry, is this the secretary of state saying between the lines that there's a chance of revolution at home? Nope. The regime has been humiliated in Iran. Invading Cuba is their way of remoralizing their base of maga lumpen scum
>BREAKING: FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried formally applies for a pardon from President Trump.ooooof.
>>2834476>The regime has been humiliated in Iran. Invading Cuba is their way of remoralizing their base of maga lumpen scumpretty much this. the us regime is desperate for a geopolitical win. it would guarantee florida forever, but won't save gasoline prices and the upcoming energy crisis caused by the orange tard man.
>>2834219>>2834246Yeah, accusations of "genocide" by the liberal establishment exist mostly so they can claim opposition is on the same moral level as people who deny the Holocaust. I've heard people claim Putin is "genociding Ukrainians" which is absurd, and then they'll cry that China is "genociding Uyghurs"; not helping things is that Israel will use the same playbook: if you point out that the population of Uyghurs in China is growing, not shrinking, well Israel will claim "it's the same for the Palestinians!" even though they frequently engage in "mowing the lawn" style bombings of Palestinian people while China frankly doesn't.
>>2834463I never threatened to call the cops on him.
I made a joke that a private detective could discover all the factories he wasn't blowing up, aka that he's nothing but a shut in. Felix shat his pants and claimed I was threatening to call the cops on him.
>>2834426The Atlantic has been Nazi propaganda posing as liberalism for a long time.
>>2834434A boomer here almost did murdered two teachers because he thought the local school was teaching transhumanist surgery classes kek.
>>2834512There's another CPUSA flag guy who brags about snitching and constantly threatens Jucheposter with being suicided. He doesn't use your trip though and you don't seem as bad even though your party is hopelessly wack and lame
>>2834518To be honest, as schizo as this sounds, I think that
might be Felix.
Cause I know that before I started doing a tripcode there’d be someone taking the “CPUSAnon” name and posting shit like “Gosh I hope those goddamn antiwar hippies were beaten to death by Batman” or “all these Palestinians are a distraction from REAL people suffering!” I got the trip code afterwards in no small part because it was pretty clear someone would go out of their way to write insane bullshit and claim it was me.
But again, I can’t be sure. The only thing I know about that Juche thing is some weirdo schizoposts about them as if he were a fed.
Give me one argument that I shouldn't support Platner that doesn't rely on moralism.
>b-b-but he made rape jokes on reddit! Isreal told me!
I would put Lavrentiy Beria in there if Isreal was against it
>>2834519Your theory doesn't sound so schizo to me, I wouldn't put it past him to falseflag in support of building a narrative against you. The thing is this other CPUSAposter is never a torposter and they often post when felix can only torpost.
the day marxists stop trying to kill and cancel eachother and target porkies instead is the day capitalism will fall
>>2834535holly christ, yes. that's why the cia and fbi work overtime to make false 'Marxists'
>>2834535I say no only because there aren't enough to make a difference.
>>2834535The revolution is not ideologically pure enough yet?
Not even Nazi Germany barred people of other nationalities from entering the country in the 1936 Olympics.
>>2834532>rent-freeOh quit being a baby, the obsession is one way and Felix has a pretty distinct posting style
>>2834546Hes crying in these pics
>>2834520Hes a small business owner
>>2834562He already left the stadium and the Knicks are making a comeback
>>2834532Felix has admitting to getting a concealed carry permit and posted weird fucking stalker fantasies about cpusanon. The fact he hasn't been flagged means hes likely at best an unwitting asset that will be "nudged". Like Cpusanon or not he's been nothing but respectful and trying to encourage dialog. He's prolly one of the handful of effort posters we got. He also went out of the way to couch his obvious joke about getting a PI to avoid any accusation of police involvement. But got stuck with it anyways despite the fact Felix post insane shit all the time, his identity discovered by this board and admitted to taking an oath to some Portland sheriff that he was loyal to the white race and israel or whatever you do to get a CC up there. Felix is prolly isnt even Evans or whatever from covert magazine. Prolly just a fed intern.
felix tops cpusanon 100%
>>2834572
Pan-american repulic soviet in 2032. A single hemisphic communist block aligned with China.
>>2834563so was engels
>>2834569felix deserves to be bullied desu
>>2834549I wonder what the Nazi’s of old would think of modern America now
>>2833424>Baptist pastor managed to convince them to recategorize them because he legitimately believes they're apostates.As someone who grew up as a Baptist, that's almost certainly exactly what happened. Protestant religions consider each other Christian for the most part and have a weird, usually begrudgingly tolerant relationship with Catholicism (some openly call it a false religion but concede that Catholics will go to Heaven if they believe in Jesus; my mother grew up Catholic but became moderately anti-Catholic as a Protestant but would rather take me to mass in a Catholic town than not go to church at all), but all of them consider Mormonism to be a completely different, entirely non-Christian religion inspired by Satan. (Jehova's Witnesses and Christian Scientists are usually also placed into this category.)
>>2834602Funny enough, despite California having a large population of Catholics, a lot of the literature I've seen from Prots out here amounts to "The Catholic Church is lying about Christianity and Catholics ARE going to Hell."
Mormons I've personally seen as more Ned Flanders types, the JWs are terrifying and aggressive though.
>>2834602Also, Seventh Day Adventists are considered Christian by (most) Protestants in my experience, although they disagree on the major issue of whether the "day of rest' should be Saturday or Sunday.
And then there are the KJV-only lunatics who go by a completely different set of rules, but are generally considered Christian but consider a great many other denominations to not be.
Christians are weird and complex.
>>2834603There are a lot of Protestants who take a more extreme stance on Catholics, but I guarantee you any of the people putting up those signs would go to dinner at a Catholic's house before they'd go to dinner at a Mormon's house. I heard some lectures as a kid about how Catholics were Christians, but their veneration of the virgin Mary was idolatrous. Catholics were generally seen as well-meaning but confused but could still go to Heaven since all that was required was faith in Jesus Christ. (I once asked if Mormons could similarly go to Heaven as long as they believed in Jesus, and the answer was no, because they in fact worshipped Lucifer.)
When I was a kid at Christian school, Catholicism was considered a denomination of Christianity for school purposes, but Mormonism was not, and you couldn't enroll your Mormon kid at the school. (It was the talk of the entire school one time when a non-Christian tried to apply for a janitorial job or something; not sure this was entirely legal or not.)
>>2834569
I mean I wouldn't go that far lol. I think we can all agree he's pretty unlikable, though. Can't it just be that?
>>2834301yeah say it pussy
>>2834620He's pretty likeable, just wrong sometimes.
>>2834589>>2834589lowkey NY might swing democrat just for this.
>>2834612>but their veneration of the virgin Mary was idolatrous. tbf catholics literally just took a lot of european paganism and then tried giving it a christian spin. Like the practice of praying to saints was clearly an evolution of praying to tutelary deities. The catholic church couldn't get the peasants to stop praying to many different beings so they just made up a reason for why it was fine. In fact most of Catholic ritual is reskinned paganism.
>>2834633Absolutely, entirely true, but it also gets a pass sometimes as an "official" Christian denomination where religions like Mormonism don't despite all the weirdness because Protestants are a direct splinter group from Catholicism.
>>2834451First Vibes based president
>>2834623…New York is already a solidly Blue State though, anon.
>>2834612To be honest I find Mormonism to be one of the more fascinating faiths of the modern world, and I think its uniqueness as a religious faith/practice has put it in an inherently awkward position. Like they've made additions to the scripture, though the fact it essentially wasn't talked about at all in my Catholic school experience also adds a kind of curiosity to it: we learned about Islam and Buddhism and Hinduism (and I've got to say that Buddhism's conception of the soul was interesting when I learned about it) but not Mormonism.
I think part of the curiosity surrounding it is its at once familiar and alien, like a kind of "uncanny valley" effect for beliefs. It has Christian aesthetics but a frankly exotic theology, with the addition of new holy scriptures, "modern prophets" and an organized Church that's distinct from any founded by the Apostles.
>>2834640Yea but they swung right in the congressional elections so this might swing them back.
>nukes as the warfare panacea
They aren't though? Like the power of nukes is essentially in not using them. You use them, especially casually, and you not only encourage everyone else to get them but everyone else to use them casually as well. The unspoken agreement are the nukes come out only if a threat is truly existential.
Just saying "Well Israel is genocidal, so why don't they use the Death Star?" isn't really a gotcha.
>>2833665>The old testament god thought an eye for an eye was fine.When God walked the Earth as Jesus Christ he taught people to turn the other cheekTypically what is taught that Jesus did not dismiss eye for an eye but the misuse of it to have personal vengeance especially because of how it was being used
>>2834640My church would hold special "school" services for kids on Saturday where we'd sometimes watch videos, and I remember one being about Mormonism. It explained that it was a Luciferian cult which was founded after Joseph Smith was promised his own planet by the Devil and spent a good portion of the runtime dissecting and decoding the hidden meanings of these weird purportedly Mormon dance moves and explaining that they signified how higher-level Mormons would have their throats cut and tongues ripped out if they revealed the true Satanic nature of the organization. My mom let me steal a Book of Mormon from a motel one time because "at least it won't be there to mislead everyone else", but I never could get through much of it. Beyond that, I never learned anything about the actual religion aside from watching the South Park episode, but I had a Mormon friend in high school who was nice.
>>2834640Mormons literally had to flee rest and set up Utah as its dominant base because they were hated everywhere. Mitt Romney had a good percentage of voters refuse to vote for him solely because he was Mormon. Also Mormons have a very shitty reputation in the black community due to the belief that blacks are a cursed people and Joseph Smith insisted on it as dogma only changing because of conditions in the 1970s and the feds, which a lot of Mormons are a part of, had to adapt
>>2834649>Just saying "Well Israel is genocidal, so why don't they use the Death Star?" isn't really a gotcha.I think the point is Israel has not shown restraint in its genocide so why would they draw a red line at nukes? genocidaires don't really care about the consequences of their crimes against humanity, and israel especially is not afraid of consequences because they believe the entire EU and US global regime works for them. so why not use nukes? her assertion is that the reason they aren't used is because they aren't actually as good at "ending" conflicts as the world powers would have you believe. if they dropped a nuke over gaza or iran it would change very little in terms of achieving their military goals.
>>2834657Nukes make the land uninhabitable longterm due to radiation and they want to settle the land
>>2834657Pakistan has threatened to launch their own nukes at Israel if Israel nukes Iran.
>>2833260Your just like well okay, not an angel
Your skin is so boring too cry about
I want Roy cooper to notice when I am not around
Roy cooper is special
I wish Jack wilimos was fucking special
I don’t care if it hurts
I want to have the votes
I want a perfect body
I want to have a perfect term
But I’m a compassionate Marxist Leninist
I’m a weirdo
What the hell i am doing here?
Mr. Whatley and I don’t belong here
She’s running out again
She’s running out
Run ruuuuuuuuuns
Whatever makes you happy
Whatever you want
I wish I was special
Roy cooper is so fucking special
But I’m a compassionate Marxist Leninist
I’m a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don’t belong here.
>>2834642No she doesn't, are you the "nukes are fake and a nuclear exchange is nothing" poster?
>>2834312>Eh, I always found the "Anti-woke left" such as leftypol, stupidpol and redscarepod's reddit to be miserable people to hang around in general. At the very least turbo woke people seem like they actually like things, even if it was quite frankly immature.I've had experiences IRL with both types and it's always weird in hyper-specific ways. I remember going to some party once that was all very turbo-woke people (friends of my friend's GF) and I didn't click with them AT ALL. They just spent a bunch of time talking shit about other people they knew in their social circles. It's like they had no friends, just frenemies. It was terrible lmao.
"Anti-woke left." I've run into a few and they came across as unnatural to me. It was just very odd and maybe more involving the specific individuals, but this one guy reminded me of Patrick Bateman if he was a Stalinist, like just a totally fake constructed persona. Idk man. I think maybe a common theme with them is that they're very online, and like very-online people tend to do, they construct personas and profiles that they think will get the approval of an anonymous peer group. This is the theory of "profilicity." There are tech people who are on Twitter who are like this. But in the "anti-woke" leftist case, the peer group is "the working class" and they have to perform socialism in a way that is not off-putting to this archetype. But that has more to do with them. The working class refers to a structural position in the economy. I think there are some behaviors or styles that show up more among the working class, but probably more in a general sense of keeping it real a bit more, and having more of a sense of agency, even like "I had to go slap the shit out of this ho because she was sleeping with my man." The working class can be a little "scary" like that, and the higher-up social classes can get nervous when the working class starts to "express" itself.
At any rate, I think it's good to probably have a hobby in some apolitical space. I've gotten into Battletech and a funny thing about the hobby is that it has very little culture war influence that other games do. There's right-wing guys, woke LGBT people, but nobody really seems to push anything on anybody and people just do whatever. You can go BattlePride if you want and paint your mechs in trans colors and nobody will fuck with you. Or somebody can try but it won't go well because the other fans with jump on them out of the general principle that you can do whatever you want with your mechs (it's all about the mechs, man) and you just can't fuck with people's mechs like that.
>>2834657>I think the point is Israel has not shown restraint in its genocide so why would they draw a red line at nukes?I think she's taking a common pop-leftist view that looks at "Israel" as like a single "entity" that is behaving so destructively it's inexplicable unless they were motivated out of rage and bloodlust (I think that's a factor, it's just not the only one). It seems obvious to her because she's a nice person who is progressive and lives in America and wouldn't go destroy a city and kill people like villains from a Power Rangers cartoon. That doesn't necessarily follow though.
Strategic weapons are authorized at the level of the political echelon, which is Netanyahu and his cabinet, which includes top military and intelligence guys who take a vote on major decisions. These men are cold-blooded murderers but it's a mistake to think they're not calculating and don't "think" or "plan" or behave "rationally." People hear the word "rational" and think it means you're saying the person is "good" if you're describing them behaving that way. I mean it a more narrow way.
There was also apparently a debate in the Israeli war cabinet very early after the 10/7 attack whether to launch a full-scale attack on Hezbollah with everything they had. Apparently Yoav Gallant wanted to do this, but was voted down. He might have been panicked and feared that Hezbollah would attack them as part of a multi-front attack, but that didn't materialize. Instead they waited, which was probably a "correct" decision on their part. Anyways, I think a motivation behind destroying Gaza was "we need to hit them so hard we'll throw them back 100 years, and force them to lose territory" as a way of raising costs to resisting them. It's just very cold-blooded brutal power politics. So why didn't they use a nuke? Well they've never declared they have them. Why? Maybe they want to maintain ambiguity about this relative to Arab states which would also go nuclear if they declared them. Or at least historically that's why they stayed mum on it. They have systematically destroyed much of Gaza with their conventional army and with bulldozers which go in behind the army and level everything. But they "justify" this in a squirmy bullshit way by saying that they have to destroy "tunnels" and that buildings are storing "weapons" or have booby traps.
>if they dropped a nuke over gaza or iran it would change very little in terms of achieving their military goals.>>2834663>Nukes make the land uninhabitable longterm due to radiation and they want to settle the landRadiation carried downstream from the wind would probably be a big problem for them. It's not a very big area. But in any event, I think one reason they built them in the 1960s anyways was to nuke Egyptian tank armies if it looked like Israel was going to get overrun and destroyed.
>>2834651>but the misuse of it to have personal vengeanceWhat weaselly bullshit. "Eye for an eye" is very clear rule. If someone takes an eye then one gets taken from them. An injury for an injury. Nothing in that rule suggests that it matters if the reaction is done by the person who was attacked or by someone else. Adding a new stipulation to this rule about how "personally taking the eye is bad" is, in fact, changing the rule.
>>2834703Mormons are too ridged in how they think and behave to make good spies. There is a reason they flood the FBI but not the CIA.
The spectre of gen Z socialism is haunting the world… according to the Economist Norman Solomon<The magazine writes: ‘Resisting Gen-Z socialism is therefore an urgent task.’ That urgency must outweigh any urgency of feeding hungry people
>A spectre is haunting Europe and America – the spectre of gen Z socialism.
>That’s the urgent warning from the Economist in a new cover-story editorial, How to fight back against gen Z socialism. Alarmed by a youthful threat to the established order, the magazine is calling for heightened vigilance from defenders of private enterprise.
> Gen-Z socialism is a me-first doctrine,” says the editorial, unlike the selfless doctrine of capitalism. The young socialists have succumbed to “a zero-sum mindset, where a better outcome comes not from creating but from taking”.
>Taking, we are to understand, is frowned upon in the capitalist system. And what better way to instill wisdom in gen Z than to set a good example by creating without taking?
>Those with stakes in the Economist itself are cases in point.
>The investment company Exor, controlled by one family with $38bn in net assets, has the biggest stake in the magazine. Meanwhile, the investor with more than a quarter interest in the Economist, the Canadian businessperson Stephen Smith, has a personal net worth of $6.9bn.
>Of course, young socialist hotheads might carp that in the UK, where the Economist is based, the overall poverty rate is 21%, while among children it’s 31%. But cooler heads prevail among the Economist’s editorial writers, who lambast the idea that “spending can be paid for by the richest”. They opt for stability by not getting carried away with fanciful notions.
>Some realities are, of course, unfortunate. As the BBC reported last fall, a survey by the charity Trussell Trust “found more than 14 million people in the UK faced the prospect of going hungry last year due to lack of money. This marks an increase from the trust’s last survey in 2022 when that number was 11.6 million people.” One-third of children under age five “are living in UK homes where there is not enough access to healthy and nutritious food”. In the United States, the Feeding America organization reports, one in five children “don’t have enough to eat”.
>But with the free-enterprise system, it can be said that those children have the opportunity to put any hunger behind them when they grow up. As the Economist’s editorial notes, an economy flourishes not when rewards are guaranteed but when opportunities are available, giving everyone a chance of success.
>The Economist warns that all too many digital natives have been enticed into a kind of honey trap of desire for a welfare state: “Saying that prices should be capped to keep your bills down while someone else pays for your public services is a seductive, shareable message.” A new generation of socialists is swooning for affordability.
>Gen-Z socialists demand handouts funded by billionaires” and harbor “a remarkable hostility to private enterprise”, the Economist observes, at the same time that those young socialists “are uninterested in letting the market rip and redistributing the proceeds”.
>“A robust defence of the ideas that have brought unprecedented riches has barely been tried,” the Economist explains. However, “what is so worrying about the Gen-Z socialists is how deeply their ideas are bleeding into the centre-left.”
>And so, the magazine concludes: “Resisting Gen-Z socialism is therefore an urgent task.”
>That urgency must outweigh any urgency of feeding hungry people. The machinery of a system that offers so much prosperity to some must push back against leftists trying to throw a spanner into what works with such efficiency.
>“The first step,” the Economist urges, “is for free-market liberals to stop apologising. A series of popular criticisms of capitalism, each containing a grain of truth, has in aggregate obscured the fundamental wisdom that private enterprise is at the root of human prosperity.”
>So come on, you free-market liberals. Recognize the danger that the youngest adult generation on both sides of the Atlantic is being swayed by the siren songs of socialism just because they don’t like vast income inequality and all the human suffering that comes with it. The Economist has sounded the alarm. Now it’s up to you to rescue us from the clear and present threat of social equity.
<Norman Solomon is the director of RootsAction and executive director of the Institute for Public Accuracyhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/09/gen-z-socialism-the-economistLmao
>>2834703a perfect spy would be able to drink alcohol tea and coffee when necessary
>>2834707The legal philosophy of most countries is that if somebody commits a murder, they should go to prison. That doesn't mean you're allowed to lock them in your basement.
>>2834719>So come on, you free-market liberals. Recognize the danger that the youngest adult generation on both sides of the Atlantic is being swayed by the siren songs of socialism just because they don’t like vast income inequality and all the human suffering that comes with it. The Economist has sounded the alarm. Now it’s up to you to rescue us from the clear and present threat of social equity.the best bit
>>2834721
lay off the putinite phraseology, iron felix
>>2834721
Factory status?
>>2834728
you just so happen to use the same set of words, the same condescending ideas, and even the same thought terminating cliches? are you gonna jerk it again, iron felix?
>volk
yep its felix
>>2834733
dude stop larping as if you aren't just the same exact guy masturbating to putin, calling everyone he doesn't like "reddit" and using putinite phraseology, it'd at least make you more distinct
>>2834733
go harass a US military forum or something
>>2834703Mormons pre-date the Civil War
>>2834721
Well said.
This is why I think the term Queer Nationalism is appropriate.
They want America to be the queer Israel.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>>28347401936 olympics for the burger reich
>>2834743Where have queer settlers been kicking straight people out of their homes? Where’s the queer militias? How about you think before you post
>>2834743me when i just make shit up for no reason
>>2834747it's ragebait responding to ragebait. if you reply it's proof you're guilty. you clearly want third world corpses and only care about yourself. a person with seemingly infinite money to spend on VPNs wants you to know that.
>>2834756
ok and then what?
>>2834756
There’s no evidence that sexual deviancy and paraphilia have anything to do with class alignment
>>2834747This didnt start in Israel right away.
How many times have you heard America and the west must firstly be a safe place for the queer community? Doesn't that sound like Israel is the only safe space for jews?
>>2834762
literally a PR op, but keep posting non-sequiturs
>>2834767There’s plenty of working class pedos, they just abuse their immediate family because that’s who they have access to
>>2834764Who has the queer community threatened to displace or kill? Nobody gets kicked out of gay bars for being straight
>>2834721>accusations of liberalism and redditism>>2834725<putinite as an unironic response to this accusationsamefagging on two browsers with VPN.
>>2834773you're getting ragebaited. they don't care about your question.
>>2834764>This didnt start in Israel right away.Yes it did lol. Also America has been an English settler colony since the 1600s. No amount of historical revisionism is gonna pin the past 400 years on just the queer euros.
>>2834776
>you’ve already established you don’t consider Russians human
Russians are human. Where are you getting this accusation
>>2834767having a paraphilia isn't the same thing as being a rapist, are you insane?
Epstein files is about bourgies mostly because they have much more material access to people, and their class position makes them incapable of relating to other people, which makes them mass twisted abusers and rapists.
>>2834780There are no queer russians, zero, zilch, nada
>>2834773They wouldn't serve me at one. I assume it was because I wasnt gay
>>2834790It’s probably because you haven’t showered and were muttering about how they’re all degenerate sex fascists
>>2834789non sequitur goalpost shift rage bait
>>2834775I know I’m getting baited, I don’t want this take to appear normal or without contention
>>2834793That was sarcasm, I’m not the queers are inherently zionist guy
>>2834794well now it's gonna fill up the thread because he got the attention he craved
>>2834796That’s fine, there’s nothing going on immediately more important anyway
>>2834774>samefagging on two browsers with VPN.idiot, look up the word "golden billion" and who it's most used by
How do you do fellow ZOGbots? It's election season, and I was wondering if any of you had ideas for culture-jamming, counter-signalling, or general agitprop.
I live in a (beautiful) rural community that while occupied by many good people, is awash with signs promoting fascist wannabe politicians.
Agitprop of our kind is always so aggro, and I admire it, and it's designed to tap into certain feelings and intended for certain audiences.
That being said, I feel it is lacking in what could be colloquially termed as beauty. I wanted to create something that could appeal to even the most delicate souls, that is beautiful, but that does not compromise on the basic message.
So here it is. I have plans for more, ranging from stuff ranging from aggro and militant, provocative, and things not dissimilar to this one . I need to refine it a bit more, but I wanted to get yours thoughts. Cheers!
>>2834812your agitprop is good for people who already agree with you but I don't think a lot of normies know what "infinitesimal" means.
I would say "if tomorrow every able bodied worker got off their ass and picked up a gun, we could put an end to the robbery of the poor by the rich"
>>2834807>that's two wordshence why i called it "phraseology"
>so whatit says more about the person who said it, and more importantly who they are, felix uses this word for his LARP whenever he shows up
>the point is you're feeding his accusationshis accusations are not fed by simply calling out exactly what he's saying, and dismissing everything else (because it is of no substance, and it doesn't matter if you write a 2 paragraph post debunking it, because he'll just come back in 2 days anyway), you might as well call out a notable phrase he uses, and exactly who uses it, to let everyone who may not know the distinctive marks of his trolling
>>2834814I see where you are coming from, but I disagree with your disagreement. You have it backwards.
For one, you are really underestimating peoples' vocabularies, and even if they didn't know,, they'd probably have the intellectual curiosity to look it up.
In actuality, your proposal appeals to people who already agree with us and are sold on armed revolt.
It takes a while to get people to that point, and normie dems aren't quite there.
I like it though, and I think I will suggest it to some of my comrades in the city where there is a greater sense of anger and outrage.
>>2834814also, the first place I am gonna workshop it is the library, so they would be in close proximity to a dictionary.
>>2834814>your agitprop is good for people who already agree with you but I don't think a lot of normies know what "infinitesimal" means. lol yeah nearly a quarter of americans are illiterate. why make simple topics complicated
>>2834812it's a great tone, but you suck at writing. Just get better, prettier words to say the same thing. "We could wrest mankind's bounty from the few that hoard it".
Less is more etc.
>>2834820I have been told otherwise, but I'll take it in stride. I'll have you know I just started writing last week. The last time I wrote before that was in high school and a year of college (got excellent marks)
>>2834812>>2834816I think it's pretty good, but agree with that Anon that you should keep it simple. If you read somebody like Mao, a lot of the brilliance of it comes from its extreme simplicity and easiness to understand. Your prose is poetic and genuinely well written, but might seem a little pretentious for something like this. You don't want to come off as a starry eyed dreamer, but somebody just speaking common sense to common people. It's not really an issue of underestimating your audience so much as competing with the cynicism and apathy and many people are stuck in. This kind of language would be more appropriate for a longer text that might be read by somebody whose interest you've already captured, like in an essay or article rather than a pamphlet or poster.
Also maybe proofread it again hecause I spotted some spelling and grammar mistakes. >>2834821>collegeBOURGEOIS PMC COP CLASS TRAITOR DETECTED
Revolution isn’t you and your dumb friends picking up a gun and getting into firefights, it’s the development of technology that makes the old organizing obsolete. Stop thinking like weathermen.
>>2834825so there wont be any storming of any Bastilles ot winter palaces??
then I'm out
>>2834821You're fine. You just need it to have impact. If it's a flyer or poster, it has to be read quickly with few words. Punchy, even if it's poetic.
Don't succumb to the leftist tendency for picrel
>>2834824a semester of community college that I attended on the grant and did not continue with
>>2834823Yeah, it was hot off the presses. I appreciate the critique.
To a degree, I want it to be starry eyed. I think there is a need for a newfound romanticism in "left" and Communist circles and culture.
Movements from previous generations had great artists that went down as among the greatest of all time, and were remembered as transcribers/oracles, old-time equivalents of photojournalists, and people who just generally were able to reach through to many and penetrate the cynicism.
I am gonna keep working on it
>>2834825Thank you much! I have been grapping with this as of late. I was involved with an affinity group who kinda fit that description, but distanced myself recently due to personal reasons, but mainly because I lost faith in their methods and goals.
What we need is a true international body to develop the technology to keep us safe under extreme and pervasive surveillance.
We failed Palestine, and we need to learn from them. People have modern theories of 'fascism' and the security state.
How many more comrades need to be brutalized, incarcerated, blackballed, etc before we take a moment to THINK (hate to say but you gotta give it to Zizek on this one).
To be a little harsh, the movement in the West has become a cult of martyrdom. You look at some of these groups and it's almost as if they have a death drive that tends towards martyrdom.
Maybe it's because that's all we've known, but these are people who claim to be Scientific Socialists
No Scientist worth her salt would reattempt an experiment that went catastrophically awry and killed her colleagues. Not once, but certainly not over and over ad infinitum
We should take from Gramsci in particular
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noted
>>2834829>To a degree, I want it to be starry eyed. I think there is a need for a newfound romanticism in "left" and Communist circles and culture.You've definitely got a point there, and ultimately no serious movement gets anywhere without some degree of dreaming and romanticism. Without it you just get at best economism, where people maybe mobilize around immediate concerns but have no real transformative vision. On the flip side, it's exactly these kinds of immediate issues that get people off their asses in the first place, so they need to go together. It's precisely when people perceive the connection between their everyday struggles and bold visions of a radical new world that revolutions begin to take shape. In your case though I'd just say it's about knowing when to make appeals to everyday issues and when to make appeals to the imagination. If you're writing something that people might glance at at a bus stop or something then you'd probably want to lean more towards the former.
>>2834826Sister, how many people do you think it took to make those things successful, armed or otherwise?
Sometimes people get so wrapped up in the militancy and reasonably so because it is a subject that imbues outrage, but we are not anywhere near that point.
You have no concept of the preparation, mass organizing and outreach, and politicking that are required to pull those things off.
>>2834832Well said. Basically it is aside from some working class enclaves and even areas of destitution, mostly affluent.
Romanticism might shake people out of their complacency. On the other hand, there are places near me where pressing economic issues should be the main focus, and where people are already angry. It's a multi pronged approach
>>2834834That's a good point. People here will often lament the overrepresentation of educated middle class intelligentsia types on the left, and they have a point in doing so. However I don't think the participation of such people is a bad thing, just that there are proportionally too many of them and not enough workers.
>>2834835Do you have any interest in being part of an International Consortium I am putting together?
>>2834839Depends, I've got my hands pretty full with work and personal shit, but if you've got a newsletter or something I could check it out and maybe contribute something. I live in buttfuck nowhere though so I likely wouldn't be much help beyond that.
>>2834841No worries, it will be one that is online and face-to-face when possible and where feasible. I've got some things in the works that I intend to finalize and make public soon. So when I do that, I will give you a holler
>>2834833yo I'm not a fucking girll bruhhh 😭🙏
and it was just a joke, obviously I know of the organization and mass support one must garner before any militant group can begin mobilizing
>>2834554and you should see in other threads anons bragging about how they have impersonated iron felix for years
for years >>2834740It's worse than that actually, this leaves out how FIFA revoked Iran's ENTIRE ALLOCATION OF TICKETS, effectively banning Iranian fans from the WC entirely
>>2834845It's not uncommon for people to use gendered language such as "bro" or "my man" without even knowing the recipients gender. I like to switch it up sometimes.
Like if things are this bad NOW they're going to get exponentially worse when soccer fans from around the world actually start pouring in and have to deal with our gestapo manhandling and interrogating them for the crime of coming into the States while being visibly ethnic. This shit is plainly not sustainable and there's going to be dismal turnout and ticket sales, assuming the event isn't canceled entirely after Brazil's star goalie gets deported to a concentration camp in El Salvador
in 1 day of the world cup:
-Senegal soccer team scrutinized as if they were a drug cartel
-Field Arbiter barred from entering the US
-Abusive Immigration Enforcement
-Star African players were separated on the open runway, forced to take off their shoes
-Upon arriving in New York, the Uzbek squad was intercepted by armed security and police dogs as soon as they stepped off their transit bus.
-Right before the opening matches, an executive order placed Senegal and Ivory Coast on a restricted entry list, effectively blocking ordinary West African citizens from traveling to the U.S. for the tournament
you gringos are sick in the head.
>>2834857The World Cup officially starts on the 11th but at the rate we're going we might not have it at all. It says something that while the previous World Cup was held in Qatar and sustained by literal slave labor and the one after this will be in Saudi Arabia it might be this one that has the most human rights violations out of the three
>>2834861Not even Nazi Germany was this aggressive towards foreigners coming to watch international sporting events
>>2834861
none of that applied to white countries.
>>2834857They're the most retarded of us gringos, concentrated into positions of power in national government. It's a sign of weakness, on their part, if that's any consolation
>>2834861Low effort troll
>>2834862>Not even Nazi Germany was this aggressive towards foreigners coming to watch international sporting eventsIt was actually very much the opposite at the 1936 Olympics. The whole point was to invite the world to see the "success" of the Nazi government and show off to USSR and Western powers.
>>2834866Oh and I almost forgot we're having that cage match in front of the fucking White House this Sunday. Everything is either evil, stupid, or both
>>2834888blue maga is real lmao
<tfw no midwestern milf to call me sweat pun
>>2834889My own interpretation of blue maga is that being le institutionalist le science guys isn't all that much fun. Being a bit schizo can lead to great things it seems.
>>2834908
Exactly LGBTQ+ nationalism is the goal of the western left.
Dont act like you brothas and sistahs dont have problems. Most of yall are vote blue no matter who libs. BLM was the biggest joke ever.
Black people are still basically slaves and the current black solution is to vote it out.
>>2834908
If socialism means me and my boyfriend are forced to separate despite both being productive workers than cast me out.
>>2834901You aren’t Brian Wilson, you aren’t Henry Darger
To make good agitprop follow these guidelines
>keep it short and sweet
>keep it caveman simple
>appeal to painful emotions
Examples
>your boss's son will will be your son's boss
>you'll die of cancer at 50 from bad work conditions while your boss makes it to 100
>the only purpose of your life is to make money for child rapists
Why do people suddenly hate LGBTs and migrants? because rightoids appeal to fear and anger to make the population hate whoever they want. And it works. So let's start appealing to fear and anger then. We don't even have to lie.
>>2834916No one is saying that.
The western left instead of working on liberating the whole working class gay, straight, trans etc, they focused on securing liberal treats for their ingrown.
Further they put that goal on people outside of the in group.
So instead of building socialism it becomes begging for scraps for people based on who they like to fuck and how they like to appear.
>>2834921Because China opened its markets and ended any leverage workers had over bosses
Is the power scaling community a very chuddish one? Most of the power scalers I see out there seem to lean right to me.
What's going on in NYC? I am seeing comments that go like 'if the Knicks win we'll storm the empire state building and turn it into affordable housing' with like 10k likes on insta.
>>2834921the issue is the power of the western left was dropping well before it became so oriented around LGBTQ issues. I don't think the Stonewall riot was what caused unionization rates to drop. Nor do I think the hard hat reactionaries pushing back against anti-war protesters were primarily queer. I don't know many deviants who are or were out promoting Taft-Hartley.
I think NAFTA, outsourcing, financialization, and more scientific studies by management on how to fight back against unionizers, along with carefully managed, widely reaching propaganda campaigns did a lot more.
>>2834937>I think NAFTA, outsourcing, financialization, and more scientific studies by management on how to fight back against unionizers, along with carefully managed, widely reaching propaganda campaigns did a lot more.This, the collapse of the Western left, such as it was at the time, was caused by the total dismantling of its socioeconomic base in industrial labour. That, plus the collapse of Soviet socialism was a fatal blow to what had at the very least been a powerful and well organized labour movement, albeit one riddled with economism, social imperialism, etc. The shift towards social issues was clearly more of a response to that, since it was one of the only terrains of struggle which hadn't really been affected by deindustrialization and neoliberalism, plus the only one where actual progress still seemed possible.
>>2834937Thats a pretty solid material response. Its just too bad now that people are starting to get into more material politics they are all they/them brained.
We need strong winners. Not people wining over micro aggressions.
>>2834928
Breaking up proletarian families because of your aesthetic preferences is a bad idea
>>2834942
Lazy and thought terminating
>the hard hat reactionaries pushing back against anti-war protesters
Reminder: CPUSAnon supports these people so much that he's written elaborate fanfics about beating hippies with them. Just like his "party", he is incredibly pro-war and pro-imperialism.
>>2834954Factory status? Also that was you writing fanfics under his name and attributing them to him, we're all aware
You still have not addressed how to reverse atomization or find a suitable workaround for it
>>2834964
>Collapse of social fascism was great victory for all workers
Bruh that doesn't even make sense in the context of third worldist theory.
>>2834966Yeah but have you considered you have military training therefor you committed a bunch of atrocities to innocent Afghan babies that I will describe in detail. Still not convinced you're wrong? Here's some grainy 100 year old corpses. Are you triggered yet? ARE YOU TRIGGERED YET?
>>2834963Wrong, that was Myles himself saying he sympathizes with the hard hat rioters because the hippies played CCR at a union rally.
You don't need to make things up to make a man who openly tells you all to read Mosley and Sorel to seem like a fascist.
>>2834968Nope that was you, simple as. You're just afraid of real world action and communist revolution so you hide from your failures by antagonizing random people on dying websites.
Reminder that this guy cant even bring himself to yell at some DSA nerds but totally wants us to believe that he and the communist party that exists in his head will cull 99.9% of the American population and establish a functional socialist state in the aftermath
>>2834969I am performing zersetzung on a dangerous fascist who you all either sympathize with or tolerate because he's superficially polite.
Would you rather have me shoot him?
>>2834970He’s also never explained how he would be different in practice to the Weather Underground
>>2834972So you think magic is real
>>2834972Sure! By all fucking means, if he's as dangerous as a fascist as you insist he is you would have already shot him a long time ago! "Zersetzung" fucking listen to yourself dude you're not a fucking Statsi agent you're a literal nobody on again shall I emphasize a DYING WEBSITE almost nobody uses yelling into the void about a grocery clerk who you're convinced is the second coming of Adolf Hitler and mostly finds you amusing rather than a serious threat. You're a JOKE dude. You're a fucking joke who has the gall to pretend like you're a real revolutionary when you refuse to do anything yourself because you're too important.
If you actually went down to California and tried to kill him? Sure, whatever, I barely know the guy and I think the CPUSA stinks to high heaven and it would be mildly amusing if nothing else to see you two fight. But you've been doing this schtick for over a year now and it's so fucking boring. Either put up or shut up.
>>2834976
Imperialism parasitizes the third world. "Social fascism" in the way you're using it here just means a more equitable distribution of those superprofits among the population if imperialist countries. Doing away with social fascism without doing away with imperialism doesn't help the third world since it doesnt alter the relationship between the imperialist and the dependent countries. Instead it just concentrates more wealth in the hands of the imperialist bourgeoisie at the expense of the first world workers. Not to mention that the death of social democracy in the West actually coincided with the dramatic strengthening of imperialism. If Third Worldism had any merit to it, the collapse of the USSR and the emergence of the unipolar order would've led to its expansion rather than its retreat.
Back onto more important topics, what do you folks think of Red Youth Rising? They're as the name implies a revolutionary youth group with a focus on Marxism founded back in 2025, and their most active project at the moment is organizing tenants unions against landlords and commodified housing shit, but they also provide political education. Their points of unity are decent, obviously Marxist but not sectarian, and their reading list I'd say is an acceptable standard for most Marxist-Leninists
https://redyouthrising.org/And hey, their headquarters is in Florida. Houdini might wanna consider linking up with them
>>2834980The line of thinking is that getting rid of social fascism worsens conditions for those in the imperial core and worsens class antagonism which destabilizes the imperial core and is therefore good in the long run 2 do
>>2834982There are so many little orgs like this, ones that have a solid line and do good work. What's infuriating is the extent to which they remain separated and atomized from each other. America desperately needs a congress and unified body to coordinate action across all such orgs.
>>2834991Yeah I think we're in dire need of some kind of broad revolutionary left network that compiles all these little groups together in a convenient source, giving an easy way for leftists to search out a group near them with their preferred tendency and organizational work. I think that Geese that I've seen people talk about is kinda approaching that
>>2834977Zersetzung is a scientific process. Unlike Myles I do not believe magic is real.
>>2834998How is typing here doing that?
iron fedlix giving off mad submissive vibes around cpusanon ngl
>>2834999Well obviously it lets him pretend that he's a super based Stasi agent when the Stasi would have laughed his ass outta the GDR. Guess CPUSAnon's magic gives him the ability to be bulletproof
>>2835019Name a more racist community in Europe than Loyalists
>>2835050i thought washington was the pro transhumanist state
>>2835052Seattle is the gay liberal part, the rest of the state is extremely conservative
>>2835052It is, relatively speaking. Although that's mostly cuz Seattle and the surrounding areas are woke. So consider if they're thinking of doing pussy inspection days on teenage girls in WASHINGTON, imagine the kind of shit that's happening in more uniformily conservative states
>>2834972>Would you rather have me shoot him?infantry squad status?
>>2835052Washington and Oregon outside of the main cities are full of backwoods rednecks.
>>2835006Unfortunately I think his unwavering faith in his imaginary tyrant "god" makes him unusually resilient, but I am working to erode that.
No mention of the new world Screw Worm sightings in Texas yet? its gonna devastate the cattle industry
>>2835072Okay then if that makes him resilient to a year of your internet bitching then why dont you, oh I dont know
SHOOT HIM WITH THE ANTI-CPUSANON GUN
<drat, his Catholic faith makes him impervious to my meticulous attempts at trollingTHEN SHOOT HIM WITH THE GUN. GO DOWN TO CALIFORNIA AND SHOOT HIM WITH THE FUCKING GUN THIS IS THE SECOND COMING OF HITLER AND THE BEST THING YOU CAN THINK OF TO DO IS BOTHER HIM A LITTLE ON SOME OBSCURE WEBSITE WHAT KIND OF STASI WANNABE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?!?All you have to do, Evan, ALL you have to do
Is SHOOT him
With your ANTI-CPUSA GUN
IT IS THE EASIEST SOLUTION IN THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR? >>2835079the USA is undergoing controlled demolition like WTC 7. trvst the plqn
>>2835087Look man I just wanted the excuse to do the meme, cut me some slack
>>2835087The point is to push them into exposing themselves and their real positions
>>2835052it's kind of funny how the USA had a 15 year period where it stopped treating LGBTs as the spawn of satan, just to de-radicalize them and then scapegoat them for all the imperialism that the government has been doing since 1776.
>>283511764% of americans think pornography is morally wrong?
insane.
Polls are bullshit, people lie to pollsters to appear socially acceptable
>>2835099remember that if you accept homogays then you're showing favors to a tiny irrelevant minority who can't do revolution
but if you throw homogays into torture camps run by reactionary religious fanatics where "counsellors" sexually molest children, then clearly you're just helping agitate the populace into revolt.
>>2834945Growing up I remember hearing this idea “well no the problem is ORGANIZED religion, not religion in general” and I always thought people kind of underrate how dangerous DISorganized religion can be. Increasingly it looks like there’s gonna be a conflict between religions that, for better or worse, have some kind of hierarchy that at least gives lip service to charity and what amounts to a mob of people fueled by racism and convinced of their own authority.
>>2835128It sure doesnt look like it when you go out in public.
I was once a digital john, i watched these women exploited in the most heinous way possible on camera.
I saw the light glad others do too.
>>2835184>exploited means making more than the average wagie could ever hope to make just by posting softcore on onlyfanslol
the left desperately needs to shed its obsession with worshiping women. they are our equals, not goddesses.
>>2834723The conversation wasn't about modern legal philosophy or the validity of eye for and eye doctrine but the inconsistency between Old and New Testaments. Jesus clearly changed the fundamental meaning and Christians try really hard to convince everyone the new square is actually the same old circle somehow.
>>2834825The technology that made capitalism obsolete was already created long ago. It really is about political organization now.
>>2835212>making more than the average wagie could ever That's OF propaganda. You get the same messaging with with youtubers and streamers in order to get more people into the casino. Only a very small percentage of internet personalities makes good money.
>>2835333>That's OF propaganda. You get the same messaging with with youtubers and streamers in order to get more people into the casino. Only a very small percentage of internet personalities makes good money.I mean sure but there's a reason so many young women view porn as a legitimately viable option to paying for their schooling instead of working in an amazon warehouse. If you're attractive and can make money doing softcore or solo porn it gives you more freedom than being a wagie. I know quite a few girls
in vtubing who did stuff from lewd/rp asmr to selling cosplay porn sets and they make a massive amount of money. One girl I'm friends with lives in the Philippines and pays her parents rent while supporting herself through college just selling sexy ASMR content on her patreon.
Is it exploitative? Obviously, all labor is exploitative under Capitalism. But the obsession with robbing women of their agency and painting them as "victims" of the porn industry while the average Walmart worker suffers infinitely more is just insulting. You can try suggesting working a "normal" job to any of these women and they'll tell you to fuck off. No normal job will give them as much control over their working hours or let them pick and choose how they work the way porn does.
Of course professional/hardcore porn/prostitution is 100% just an Epsteinite rape fest run by wealthy Jews and their friends. People stereotype JAV as being run by the Yakuza using sex slaves but western hardcore content is no better. Most of those women are dead inside and many end up killing themselves. But that's an entirely different matter from porn as a whole tbh. It's like comparing running a lemonade stand to 18th century slave plantations to call the concept of work morally wrong. One is obviously completely evil and the other is relatively harmless.
>>2835340I agree with your point about women's agency as most can just get a low wage job if they truly wanted to stay out of porn. But why would anyone subject themselves to low wage work for the rest of their lives when they have the chance of making millions just by looking pretty? This is a powerful incentive for women to try and get in on the action.
But you really are looking only at the cream of the crop when deciding if it's harmless or not. While some really lucky women do get everything from posting softcore or cosplay on OF alone, most clearly use it as an escort advertisement.
>>2835340The girls that aren't as attractive have to do some pretty extreme shit to make money.
Ive seen OF clips of girls fucking alien horse dildos larger than an actual child.
It looks painful and demeaning.
It has taken women a long time to not have to trade sex for sustenance. When a woman is a worker not a prostitute she is a step closer to liberation, for she is a proletariat. Her liberation rests with all our liberation.
Prostitutes aside from moral issues are not members of the proletariat. They do not have the same material interests as members of the proletariat. They ultimately have less revolutionary potential.
Morally and strategically one must not support prostitution and its exploitation.
Also vtubers are all pure virgins.
>>2834927>if the Knicks win I have to support San Antonio over New York but it's also the periphery vs. the center.
>>2835079>No mention of the new world Screw Worm sightings in Texas yet? its gonna devastate the cattle industry>>2835088>the USA is undergoing controlled demolition like WTC 7. trvst the plqnThe U.S. won't collapse from its internal contradictions but Texas might.
Dickriders status?
>>2835352If they want to be an escort so what? It's not like these women don't have options to do other things with their life. Men don't have the option of porn and still survive…usually.
Porn is really just what you make of it as a woman. The women I describe are not really the "cream of the crop" that just find success from their bodies. They usually work to cultivate an audience through parasocialism and then capitalize on it to earn a living because it's preferable to being a wagie. But for a lot of women porn is not a full-time job and just supplements their income, either due to being unable to afford to live on a normal wagie job or because they have a very consumerist lifestyle and spend way too much.
>>2835355>Ive seen OF clips of girls fucking alien horse dildos larger than an actual child. >It looks painful and demeaning. tbh those girls do that because they want to. no one is forcing Tweetney to fuck giant alien dildos, she's just a size queen and decided to monetize her fetish. this assumption that like, women are forced into doing more extreme content for more money doesn't really make sense if you really think about it. that kind of content tends to filter more people than it attracts, so you're lowering your potential audience. usually what happens is these women are trying to cultivate a loyal audience that are specifically there for that kind of content. and it can work, but it's not really out of profit motive I don't think? all the top women on onlyfans do vanilla or softcore content. even all the top porn studios do pretty vanilla content. "extreme" studios and creators tend to pop up and disappear quickly. even JAV is becoming softer and less extreme over time as niche fetish content sells poorly compared to just recording a hot girl having sex.
>It has taken women a long time to not have to trade sex for sustenance. When a woman is a worker not a prostitute she is a step closer to liberation, for she is a proletariat.except, in many cases women actively work against this categorization and do not wish to settle for being working class. call them class traitors if you want, but you can't force women to work shittier jobs if they have better opportunities available. you can't moralize people into lowering their standard of living. you have to appeal to their material interests. if there was an alternative to porn that offered more economic mobility with less barrier to entry, the porn industry would completely collapse. ironically, if there was a demand for male porn, the traditional economy would collapse instead as most of you would be selling porn.
>Prostitutes aside from moral issues are not members of the proletariat. They do not have the same material interests as members of the proletariat. They ultimately have less revolutionary potential.This is pretty reductive, prostitutes are just pursuing their material interests and trying to secure financial independence just like all workers. The fact they sell their labor to porky directly through sex rather than indirectly through wageslavery doesn't change their class position as laborers. The pimps and porn producers still own the means of production, and platforms to democratize porn by allowing sex-workers to control their own labor are not very different from democratizing the workplace. That said, OnlyFans is extremely evil and mostly only serves professional porn actresses or works to funnel amateurs into more harmful industries like sex slavery(of course, because it's run by Israel). What I'm talking about when it comes to giving creators control is decentralized content like what old tumblr used to be and what twitter kind of serves now. As porn becomes more decentralized women will gain more freedom.
Karmelo anthony did nothing wrong
>>2835079Been hearing about it, funny enough it seems DOGE cut any and all screw worm monitoring. It looks like we’re headed towards a crisis while the federal government abolishes all capabilities it has of managing any of it.
>>2834980>If Third Worldism had any merit to it, the collapse of the USSR and the emergence of the unipolar order would've led to its expansion rather than its retreat.You type so much wrong things. Everything you say is wrong. Third worldism stronger than ever. Imperialism weaker than ever.
>>2835357They are supporting imperialism. They say thirdworldism is bad, but they are epstein. They aupport trump every time they cry about thirdworld overthrowing then
Real wage status
>>2835358>If they want to be an escort so what? If the labor market was fully open with 100% employment and it was easy for everyone to get specialized education and opportunities them I might agree. But as of now these women are being funneled into the prostitution market as they face a shit labor market. Another problem with escorting is the ignoring of STDs and the medical costs they will face in the future. Condom are not foolproof. Sure they might seem fine with it now getting slightly more money upfront but it will cost them down the line and those costs are largely ignored.
>>2834984I mean conditions have been getting worse but I don’t think that means people are getting more class conscious, I also think they’ll have lingering resentment for the people who ruthlessly try to tear down reformism while advocating for a more pure revolution, but that’s just me.
>>2835390Do you have any data to prove this? Cpusa admits jn multiple publications that yanks were more against iraq invasion than current wars. Real wage status?
>>2835356If Texas collapses, the rest of the country will be well on it’s way. Second large state in the “union” in terms of population. It’s level of development and importance is something to considering as well.
>>2834888>I never thought the gamergate/epstein/bannon connection would shift the vibe that muchWhat is this even supposed to mean?
>>2835358Because whoring is outlawed in socialism. Only bourgeois morons try to create some kind of theory of whoring.
>call them class traitors if you want, but you can't force women to work shittier jobs if they have better opportunities available.Wrong. They not class traitor. They class consistent lumpen parasite. Gulag reform them. Whoring is against law in Communism.
>>2835398See china and socialist russia criminal code. Communist scientific morality as codified by Communist law prohibit whoring. You propagate bourgeois epstein nihilist moralism.
>>2835397Forgot two:
>Outlawed >SocialismThere
>>2835386>Another problem with escorting is the ignoring of STDs and the medical costs they will face in the future. Condom are not foolproof. Sure they might seem fine with it now getting slightly more money upfront but it will cost them down the line and those costs are largely ignored.Lets be honest, working in service/retail has way worse health costs than prostitution. My mom has been working retail for 30 years and has had multiple leg surgeries caused by being on her feet all day because these companies penalize employees for taking breaks.
I just wish people would stop acting like the sex industry is somehow unique in how it exploits people. If we gave half as much of a fuck about everyday laborers as we do about pornographers maybe there would be a labor movement in America. It just comes off like we're infantilizing these women by not adding them into the greater labor movement and treating their problems as unique. They aren't unique, everyone struggles under capitalism. These people are just choosing the easiest path to escape a life of misery. If any of you had the opportunity you would take it too. We should respect workers utilizing their agency to escape suffering on their own terms, even if there are issues that must be ironed out in the long term.
>>2834823Also Mao was appealing to peasants that were fortunate enough to be literate, or semi-literate. It was meant to be easily conveyable.
>>2835374>Read Chapter 11<"Soviet social imperialism"Literally no such thing lmao, and also not what we're even talking about.
>>2835410The idea was that even if the guy next to you couldn’t read he had the intelligence to absorb the spoken word when you pulled out your Little Red Book
>>2835408>I just wish people would stop acting like the sex industry is somehow unique in how it exploits people. So by your moral logic, rape is no different from simple assault?
>>2835414the fuck does that have to do with sex work you moralistic faggot?
>>2835117Suicide Polygamy is a good band name
>>2835411The yank thinks it knows better than the Chinese Communist Party even though they predicted collapse of soviet revisionist social monopoly capitalist social imperialist social fascism decades in advance. Astounding. I dont think we can talk about anything. goodnight.
>>2835420are you chinese? can you help me get a chinese communist gf?
>>2835419Cloning Humans is a good album name, for the debut of Suicide Polygamy
>>2835420>The yank thinks it knows better than the Chinese Communist PartyI'm sorry, you're right. Forming an alliance with the United States is based. Collaborating with the CIA to arm the Mujahideen is real socialism. Apartheid South Africa was wholesome AES defending itself from Cuban imperialism.
>>2835425The dude can’t even write properly, he ain’t worth it man.
>>2833596JW's don't vote so they are not a voting block. It's possible they were added as a signifier for the selective service/conscientious objector system so they can track which religions refuse the draft or whatnot.
>>2835461Now we'll find out whether he'll gas all the browns or just be a disappointing socdem sellout like AOC.
>>2835380you are the cormac mccarthy of third worldist prose
btw if platner DOESN'T create the fourth reich then several posters here owe you months of your lives back
>>2835473He doesn’t need to do all that for the latter part of your statement to be true. The fact that we are talking about an electoralist is enough.
How the Libertarian Movement Missed the Authoritarian Moment
https://www.theunpopulist.net/p/how-the-libertarian-movement-missedThis is a longform interview with Shikha Dalmia of The Unpopulist/Institute for the Study of Modern Authoritarianism. To give some background on Shikha Dalmia, she worked at Reason Magazine, however her anti-Trump stance proved to be a step out of line for Reason which is why she has been raising the alarm regarding right-wing cancel culture and authoritarianism which has been dangerously overlooked, even more so from many "libertarians" who were able to spot authoritarianism with an eagle eye from healthcare reform to campus speech restrictions but were not able to do the same for Trump whose authoritarianism has been blatant.
Here are the highlights below, the rest of the article can be found in the link above.
Shikha on her break with libertarianism
My break with libertarianism happened when Trump arrived on the scene. I was working at Reason magazine at that time and, the minute Trump came down the golden escalator, it was clear to me that he was a different kind of politician: he was a demagogue and an authoritarian, he didn’t really understand liberalism, and he didn’t understand America’s core commitments. He was closer to demagogues that I had seen in India, like Narendra Modi, who preceded Trump by a few years. Given this, I was a little bit more sensitized to demagogues in general and Trump in particular, so it was pretty clear to me that the libertarians around me were just not seeing him as the same kind of threat as I was.
In fact, there was general chuckling at the way he was sticking his finger in the eye of the left and going after liberals. It is not that libertarians were completely unconcerned about Trump; it’s that they were just not taking the threat seriously. They were treating him as a normal politician, just bad in a different kind of way and, at best, maybe a corrective to the excesses of the left. This chasm between me and libertarian circles just kept growing, and it was getting hard to get my point of view taken seriously.
On Libertarian Hypocrisy
Before Trump, libertarians would start warning of slippery slopes at a president’s use of the state for any goal. I, personally, wrote a gazillion pieces about Obama and Obamacare and how it represented a “road to serfdom,” in Hayek’s famous phrase, because it involved forcing people to buy healthcare. I wrote a piece encouraging a civil disobedience movement against Obamacare’s mandate. The thought was if a president can force you to do this, what else would be required?
But Trump was infinitely worse than any of them—in a league of his own—and I just didn’t see the alarm. He didn’t even bother to couch his agenda in some high-minded language. He divided the population into “us versus them” and promised to use the draconian powers of the state to help “us” and hurt “them”—a complete violation of the fundamental neutrality of the state, which is a basic commitment of liberal governance—and libertarians merely shrugged.
That got me thinking: Why is this? The reasons are partly political, partly sociological, and partly theoretical. Politically, since libertarianism arose in the heyday of the Cold War and made an alliance with socially conservative traditionalists and neo-conservative foreign policy hawks, it got inflected with a certain right-wing flavor. Libertarians became so attuned to fighting the leftist threat abroad that, once Communism fell, like the rest of the right, they had to find a new leftist threat at home, which primed them to be receptive to Trump’s message and his preoccupation with the leftist enemy.
The Difference Between the Far-Right and Problematic Social Justice
When I was in my libertarian days, I wrote my share of columns against the progressive left, arguing that there have been so many excesses and stupid notions that they have flirted with. I remember, at one time, there was this push for something called “affirmative consent,” the idea that, given the differential power structure between men and women, men can never assume that women are consenting at any stage of the sexual act until they have obtained affirmative consent. I wrote a piece pointing out how stupid this whole idea was, and I got attacked in Jezebel as somebody who likes being raped, so I’m very familiar with these leftist excesses.
However, I still think that leftists very often have the right cause; their means are just over the top and illiberal. Whereas with the right, I think both their ends and their means are illiberal. Basically, the progressive insight is that individual self-actualization requires certain conditions to be achieved. In societies riddled with say, class, caste, gender, and racial hierarchies, members of those groups can’t actualize themselves without first jettisoning systems of oppression and exploitation. Moreover, in any society, no matter how lofty its principles, the initial distribution of rights and privileges always favors dominant and powerful groups. So, the important task for any liberal society is to dedicate itself to creating a level playing field by dismantling these structures and make the systems work in a neutral, impartial, fair, and non-oppressive fashion for all.
America has been constituted on the notion of freedom and individual liberty for all. Yet racial slavery continued for 100 years after its founding and the structures and legacies of racism persist to this day. To the extent that groups have been subjugated and oppressed by virtue of immutable characteristics, whether that is race, gender, sex, or sexuality, this discrimination has to be challenged collectively, otherwise we cannot achieve individual freedom or actualization. So, progressives are right about that. Where the problem emerges is when they embrace illiberal means or they don’t want to make the political case for their cause and bring people along. They are in a hurry because these injustices are so intolerable that they want results now.
But, for all the social levers that the woke left has used to accomplish its causes, it has never become powerful enough to control the levers of the state in the way the right has. Hence, the excesses of these progressives can be fought through normal liberal channels, and we have seen that happen repeatedly. For example, on the issue of gay rights, religious conservatives have won a number of victories, like obtaining religious exemptions for businesses who wish to refuse baking cakes for gay marriages because doing so goes against their conscience. The left can be a problem but, until you’ve got a Jacobin takeover of this state, I’m less worried about them.
>>2835117>single men yanking it is more morally reprehensible than state-endorsed revenge killingsAre amerilards aware at all how bloodthirsty they really are?
>>2835491>killing yourself: :(>dealing with medical beuracracy before killing yourself: :)All these polls do for me is harden my resolve that Americans shouldn't be allowed to vote
>>2835494If you think Americans are a rare group that opposes suicide you are very naive. Most of the world sees it as morally wrong. Especially all your based socialist and left wing countries too
>>2835497I was commenting on the fact that telling doctors three times that you're going to kill yourself is strangely more morally acceptable than doing it yourself
>>2835499that's also normal,because then there is a process where you have to let people knows what you're doing and giving yourself a possible out before doing it
>>2835517
ok thanks for the reminder see you again tomorrow
>>2835408>These people are just choosing the easiest path to escape a life of misery. If any of you had the opportunity you would take it too. We should respect workers utilizing their agency to escape suffering on their own terms, even if there are issues that must be ironed out in the long term.You can also apply this reasoning to drug dealing, mugging, enslaving, being a overseer, cop or glowie, etc
>>2835473i never claimed he would create the 4th reich, or even said that people shouldn't vote for him. i just thought it was kinda of retarded to fall for yet another "progressive" dem especially one that did 4 tours of duty in 2 zionist wars and then went on to work for blackwater and marry into an AIPAC family. he uses fetterman's campaign agency even. like come on. vote for him but admit i was wright when you get rugpulled. don't move the goalposts and pretend like we were actually saying he would start the 4th reich… america is already the 4th reich and has been for decades.
>>2835484>However, I still think that leftists very often have the right cause; their means are just over the top and illiberal. Whereas with the right, I think both their ends and their means are illiberal. Basically, the progressive insight is that individual self-actualization requires certain conditions to be achieved. In societies riddled with say, class, caste, gender, and racial hierarchies, members of those groups can’t actualize themselves without first jettisoning systems of oppression and exploitation. Moreover, in any society, no matter how lofty its principles, the initial distribution of rights and privileges always favors dominant and powerful groups. So, the important task for any liberal society is to dedicate itself to creating a level playing field by dismantling these structures and make the systems work in a neutral, impartial, fair, and non-oppressive fashion for all.>for all the social levers that the woke left has used to accomplish its causes, it has never become powerful enough to control the levers of the state in the way the right has.It's always funny how liberals are able to, in theory, deduce some form of socialism/communism, and dotp, from first principles and then do nothing with this analysis.
>>2835544they reinvent those ideas when forced to think hard because they are historically behind. they are living fossils
>>2835544Every non-cucked libertarian is one book away from Marxism. Or at least I think so, since I used to be a libertarian until I read more leftist thought
>>2835608Susan Collins voted to invade Iraq so idc
>>2835555audible lol'd from that graham platner
>>2835609Platner invaded Iraq.
>>2835582In my experience there are two kinds of libertarians. The kind that genuinely believe that philosophy is a path to human liberation, and the kind that think the market is a better tool than the state for enacting social Darwinism. The former eventually become socialists, the latter eventually become fascists (or rather, already are).
>>2835608Any allegation of misconduct is now seen as coordinated character assassination coming from the opposition. People accepted that all politicians are pieces of shit, and all they care about is who will hurt the opposition more
>>2835618>Any allegation of misconduct is now seen as coordinated character assassination coming from the opposition. For months, /usa/ anons has been doing nothing buy copy and pasting the mainstream dem's talking points from there obvious smear campaign.
why the fuck were the suck-up (on this thread) talking about just this one dem alone and not even just ignore them like the other fucks did already with the other two dem candidates on the race that most likely sucked more in comparison to another basic reformist like zoran (best case scenario).
>>2835608Americans found out that everyone in power is a zionist child rapist and cannibal.
No one gave a fuck. Whats one more honestly? People that have strong opinions of Platner are usually liberals, idpol brained, etc etc
>>2835623This.
The story is true.
>>2835612i can't be be-leave the country of Platner invaded Iraq; sad.
>>2835358You realize fetishises arent just inherent thing people are born with, they develope.
These "size queens" as you call them are most likely traumatized by whatever heinous acts occurred to them (this is unfortunately the case of most women).
>>2835624Platner would have made a good opportunity to make a case study of political capture, progressivism and controversy marketing. It's unfortunate that his reddit posts and personal history took the main stage of the discussion.
>>2835618Lots of metoo and post metoo era sexual assault allegations being bullshit probably did play a non negligible part
>>2835635good.
>foxthey Have defended far worse people that have ties to Jeffrey lil st james
Hey, Goldfaggots why is this happened?
>>2835636I still remember how the media blew up mattress girl’s weird art piece and somehow found like the one fraternity in America where the rape allegations were false
>>2835627>People that have strong opinions of Platner are usually liberals, idpol brained, etc etcthe only time i saw anything about being anti-planter was on the mainstream dem aligned news or users who are red/black radlibs on Twitter/BluSky
>>2835467>just be a disappointing socdem sellout like AOC.Literally the second God damn option aka just this at worse.
Are you anons here in /usa/ that much into following the leader that you're just follow what radlibs on twitter or bulesky have to say
>>2835499possibly because, i know this might be wild, but i think people find differentiation between coming home and finding your relative's brains splattered over the walls, and having a relative with terminal illness deciding to give in peacefully after discussing it with you. Just a thought.
>>2835623The Democrats are a party of the imperialist bourgeoisie.
>>2835651so you prefer republicuck Susan Collins to win then got it
>>2835653I have no preference because it doesn't matter which faction of the imperialist bourgeoisie wins. They're both class enemies with no progressive capacity that play a cooperative role in ensuring America moves further to the right every year.
>>2835660
>antifascist
if then dem r
so is the the republicuck
why singling when both sides r gay or the one guy that's the least war criminal-e
>>2835725>Le enlightened centrismFuck off fash
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>>2835770>>2835755anon it's kinda retarded to fall for yet another "progressive" dem especially one that did 4 tours of duty in 2 zionist wars and then went on to work for blackwater and marry into an AIPAC family. he uses fetterman's campaign agency even. vote for him if you want but expect disappointment.
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